053 - Retired Heavyweight Boxer, Ed Latimore
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Summary
In this episode of the Plane of Wind podcast, we catch up with Ed Latimore, a retired heavyweight boxer. We talk about his early life growing up in a public housing project in the late 60's and early 70's in Toronto, his early career as a heavyweight boxer, his career in the military, and how he overcame some pretty dark beginnings.
Transcript
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all right guys what is up we're back for another installment of the plane of wind series uh
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podcasting with ed latimore today a retired heavyweight boxer what's going on brother
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it's a good time man just enjoying life and getting a chance to catch up with you again
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yeah it's been a minute so we were uh we were chopping it up uh before we went live and um
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just a heads up for you guys watching ed might be uh fielding a call which might require him
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just to kill his camera and his audio uh during the podcast and here at my end we're in the middle
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of a weird weather uh phenomenon here it's really warm in in toronto today it's it's it's like in the
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40s or 50s as far as fahrenheit goes we've got heavy heavy winds so sometimes the power cuts so we'll
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see we'll see how this rolls so let's uh let's hop into it um for those people that don't know who
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you are because i mean if you if you search on youtube uh ed latimore heavyweight boxer there's
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some fights there um can you tell people you know who you are and talk a little bit about like
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your batman origin story because i mean you came from some like pretty dark places and i and i've
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seen you on uh twitter and social media talking for years now about crackheads and all this sort of
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stuff and um like i want people to get some frame around who you are kind of kind of on this like zero
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to hero story yeah so i'm not just some random guy you brought on that on the show yeah yeah but uh
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yeah so so i am most known for i guess these days kind of what i do on social media and the
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writing and grow my blog and all that but in the life prior to that i was a heavyweight boxer and
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boxing really shaped my life and and but just just all positives i mean it's a really painful
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process and and a lot of people don't make it through certainly not as long as i did but i
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used used boxing when my life was really not doing anything or going anywhere i i stepped in a ring at
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a late age uh how old were you when you stepped in i was 22 when i stepped stepped in oh okay
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so that was like your first fight or was that like your first time picking up the gloves and for
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all everything my first fight um if i remember correctly was the amateur uh not amateur because
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it's all amateur but did the novice class for the golden glove the state golden glove tournament
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and they have three classes in amateur boxing novice sub novice and open novice is zero three fights
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sub novice is four to eleven and anything or rather novice is four to eleven uh sub novice is zero to
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three and then open classes is like eleven plus so i stepped in did that and it was like in january
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and i remember or it was like february january but i remember thinking that my birthday might make a
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difference in how i filled out my past book for usa boxing the the keepers of all things amateur boxing
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so that is the the thing that that a lot of people got kind of like first got exposed to me as is me
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talking about my fighting when i first got on social media and i was also in school
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at the same time because there's this whole great big old you know arc that i'm sure will cover i
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was like yo i'm not doing anything with my life let me get it together or i went back to school and
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i enlisted in the military so a lot of people knew me and found out about you know my background and
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things like that because i was just talking about you know what i'm doing and my insights from from
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fighting from being in school for physics from being in the military all that and then prior to all of
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that in my whole childhood the other part that's really contributed to my story and perspective
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is is i am a i am a stereotype man like i grew up in in public housing mother owner of welfare
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uh not like i knew who my dad was but my mom was definitely a single mom uh and in that environment
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really learning how to survive another environment gave me a lot of you know to this day some good
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habits some bad ones i had to work through but it's like like everything you know but but i wouldn't i
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wouldn't trade that it's weird man i look back and it's miserable but i i don't think considering how i am
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now in the way i think and see the world i i don't think i traded for anything so to sum all that up
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i'm a kid from the projects who started boxing one day decided boxing wouldn't be enough and would
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leave me eventually so i went back to school got a degree in physics and learned how to write and
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communicate now that's how i make my living on social media and um like what appealed to you about
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fighting did you did you get in a lot of like uh fights when you were a kid you're not gonna believe
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this man i i am a like natural diplomat yeah you're very chill calm like you don't strike me as
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somebody that would lose his cool everybody who comes through um not everybody oh well everyone
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who well yeah everyone who grows up in that environment you typically learn to cope uh in a
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few ways some guys you know turn them straight you know they they become like the environment they
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try and raise to the top of that social hierarchy that never interested me because uh one that just
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first i was an ugly kid man so i got made fun of a lot so i never wanted to be like like i never wanted
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to be part of the end crowd yeah um and and the end crowd where i was at was not a desirable crowd to
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begin with and and i just had some good sense about that and i had a mom that you know she she did
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her best and really highlighted how ridiculous that life would be and and so my my natural
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personality was went the other way i learned i was really actually reclusive as a kid man like i like
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i was i'm naturally social and outgoing but i spent a lot of time playing video games um a lot of time
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when i when i did you know you get into middle school uh and there's a sharp transition in my life
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medical school to high school because i went to a high school completely different socioeconomic
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background i had to it crossed out but but coming up man i learned how to just make friends
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and laugh so i didn't i fought a lot as a kid out of necessity but i didn't pick pick fights what
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appealed to me about boxing uh the real story period man i had already dropped out of college the first
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time i tried to go man because the issues with drinking and my grades was trash whatever and i went on
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this tirade about like how stupid college is and i still think college is stupid the difference is
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like now i got a degree you can't say shit to me and then not just slouch one but i will go on this
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tirade anybody would listen and one of the people that happened to listen to me a lot was the mother
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of the girl i was dating at the time who happens to be a professor at the university at pittsburgh
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so one day she said to me she goes all right let's pretend you're right let's pretend
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uh college is a waste of time what have you done for the past four years besides like show up and
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eat my food and i was like burn and then she threw me out right and i you know i cried a little man
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tear but i thought about it i was like yeah i really i haven't done anything there's nothing really to
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like like if i died tomorrow you know all people would know is like man he was a good drinker like
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that that would be it so so i looked at options to improve and i knew going back to school was not an
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option at that point for multiple reasons not just my my disdain for it but financially so i looked at
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the military and i looked at at doing a sport and this was right back when they were you know
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going into iraq like heavy and i said uh i'm gonna pass on that one for now and so i found a gym and
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and just i had a mentality about it i said you know i'm gonna go in here and i'm not gonna quit
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i'm gonna get injured or somebody who really knows the game is gonna be like dude this is
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this ain't your thing like you gotta go do something else and i had a few early successes
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and combined with the attitude i just stuck stuck stuck stuck and there was that and then it became
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a point where i had so much time invested that it to give it up would have been foolish
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got it um why did you hate school like what was it about oh man
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do you know who uh suli breaks is huh suli breaks who's suli breaks he's this african guy that that
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grew up in the uk and he's a spoken word artist he wrote this um uh you know poem essentially and
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it's something along the lines of don't let school get in the way of your education you can find it if
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you search for it on uh youtube it's got like tens of millions of views i can believe it my my greatest
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issue for real man uh at that time is so i'm not even gonna focus on the external i'm gonna do i'm
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gonna talk about the me right because i because there are flaws in the system but i don't think
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it's productive to talk about those flaws because eventually i went through them uh but what kept me
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initially from going through them is uh first for starters i was way less emotionally matured than i
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thought i was like you know how well they say when you're 18 you think you know everything yeah i was
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like that kid you get to another place and you don't know shit and and and it doesn't really like
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it's not like anything one bad thing happens to let you realize or to make you realize how little you
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know you can't or i couldn't survive i just couldn't keep myself on the schedule i got distracted
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super easy man like you know like like most teenage dudes man i was like chasing the girls i got exposed
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to the booze i was chasing the booze and the girls that's it that became my life to the point i was like
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oh this is just a great party um why even focus on on the education and that was the other thing too
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like i couldn't see how like my brain could make a connection between this environment and the real
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world i i understood that really i didn't know how to verbalize it the way i just did but i could not
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see how this was relevant to anything that would help me i just knew that's what people were telling me
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i gotta do and everybody i looked at who had a life better than mine and then that was pretty much
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everybody man we like we we came from i looked at some one time uh to be sure about it we were making
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or my mom was making for a lot of times growing up man between like three and four thousand dollars a
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year on public assistance because because the rent was subsidized so every so so middle class looked
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like rich to me and all i knew was that everybody who got there they they had a degree to get their job
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but it didn't seem like they needed the degree to do their job so i just figured okay uh i'll
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eventually stumble into something and and i just felt like and then i was i was isolated because i
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played football for the little school i was at and and uh i that i didn't realize how much i missed home
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like how attached i was to my friends and all that so between between not having really the discipline
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and focus to do school being emotionally estranged and then mentally i didn't have a lot of faith in
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myself to do the to do the hard work either uh so so i think i wanted a bit of a sour grapes
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syndrome with it and i was like ah you know this is terrible because i can't do it because because i'm
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sure like if i was like some whiz kid i'd have a different uh perspective one or the very least i would
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have finished it the first time and been like let's go and you know i did the and on top of that man
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the the debt like it took me not i i'm finally like free of debt but i don't know how it works
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up in canada down here like like i went the first time took out some money i still was on the hook for
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that money like you can't discharge it so even when i went back the military you know covered me when i went
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back and finished in my my uh late 20s early 30s but i was still on the hook for that first bit you
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know and then that that left the sour taste in my mouth then it leaves the sour taste in my mouth now
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because i mean part of me is like yeah i wasted it because i was up there not doing my thing but at
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the same time and that that is expensive um you you've got your sobriety date in your social media
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bio somewhere i think i saw it so um i know what that's like one way like one of my um old um
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roommates was uh you know he was in a booze and crack and weed and all that stuff and you know you
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you know you would have thought by the stories that he told that you know he would have been this like
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you know skinny rail you know like a pinky finger sort of thing but he was like this fat he was like
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half italian half french big ass bad hair dude like an afro practically it was just like everywhere
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a total mess and and he used to uh used to talk about like his you know his days back in the day
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where all the crazy stuff that he would would do to try to get his hands on stuff like crack or weed
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or alcohol and he went sober and was like we used to poke fun at him right you know because back in
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our times we'd be like you know buddy might be rolling a joint and be like hey hey come on buddy
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you know you want some of this you know he would never budge right like he was always firm on it
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which is good for him because because he said he would go to a dark place when he played with the
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stuff um were you into crack was it was it crack was it booze like no so yeah man the um the crack
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stuff is just jokes man that's that's you know how i cope with a lot of the stuff i've seen yeah
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because you often say that crackheads are like the hardest working guys out there right for sure
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you know explain that you know what i came from i i remember one day i can't remember where he was
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going there's somewhere my mom though i know that because my mom is doing the city and and we we come
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out we're walking to the bus stop and this this junkie comes like scattering across the court
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uh from one end to the other just running working and my mom just looked at him and shook her head
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and was like man that junkie man or she called crackhead like he went up for like four days man
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just chasing a rock and that that always just stuck with me like like four days god damn and then on top
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of the top of that i had seen like stuff that i probably should not have seen you know we used to
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be babysat uh by some straight up like addicts man they was they was shooting up when we were around
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and smoking when they'd be around in fact one of my earliest memories i thought uh i we were over at
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the house being babysat where my mom was coming back from wherever she was coming back from and we i picked
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up what i thought was a squirt gun and i squirted on the couch it wasn't till i was later that i that
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i was like oh that was heroin and that's why it was such a big i was like why she's so angry about
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this water like just the water's going to dry and i was like oh that's because it was it was the dope
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and and it was heroin in a syringe yeah and and you know smokes man like why is this out around kids
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first of all um and secondly you know you just you just get used to seeing that kind of stuff
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and and so i learned to just joke about it yeah otherwise you get you know but what's the
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old saying man you can laugh a little or cry a lot i chose the laugh route entirely and now it's just
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become like a thing that's still funny to me because people because because now now it's funny because
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so many people follow me and and a lot of times the way the social media algorithms work they won't
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see all of my posts they'll see you know some self-improvement some motivation whatever and then
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they'll see me talking about crack kids i'm like what is this guy oh like and that's why that's
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funny to me yeah but as far as what my personal issues were i was that was the booze man and and
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that was my thing and you know when you talk about doing whatever you can to get it it took me a while
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to come to terms with that particular part because because for me it was just recognizing what got me
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sober was recognizing okay this is really getting in it has gotten the way of every aspect of my life
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and i was just on the precipice of some some really good things happening and i said let me put it down
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let me see how far i can go and like like when i stopped drinking my intention was to only do it for
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like two years i was coming and then after a year i was like wow man not only do i have a lot of like
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like i've made it far and i've done a lot and i feel great but i got a lot of issues and one of the
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issues i realized man yeah i had i have really started like structuring my whole life my friends
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my social life even my my training at the gym i structured it around drinking wasn't until my
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coach pointed out that i was showing up to the gym smelling like booze that i was like okay that's a
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problem wasn't until people were like got around i was like he just came over for the holiday i had a
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few friends say this and because i was doing it just going over for going they didn't invite me over
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because because i never spent holidays with my family even when i was younger uh now because i
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just i never wanted to be around them but i go i drink and then once the booze was up or i felt
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like i wouldn't be able to drive whatever took off uh pretty much you know going out every night of
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the week even knowing you know i overdraw my bank account to drink that's that's a bad sign so there
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were a lot of bad things going on you drinking every day of the week like drunk um i wasn't well
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yeah yeah you know what when i lived in and when i could afford it i did yeah especially because uh
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part of the part of the uh the boxing arc is that for the last two years of my amateur career
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i actually spent it out in los angeles under this uh this banner they were trying to build where they
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were taking former division one athletes and turning them into uh boxers i was not a former
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division one athlete by a long shot but i beat their god they had put a lot of money into it the
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national bowling gloves he actually went on to represent us in the olympics and fought for the
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world title twice dominic brazil so i so i beat him and they sent me out then i went and they brought
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me out and i couldn't pass the opportunity i was broke as hell at home and they were they were talking
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gonna pay me three grand a month train plus rent i said sold and they flew me out now i got out there
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and i have a driver's license and i don't know if you've ever been in l.a you can't live in that city
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and have a social life without a car i mean the public transport is just not designed plus it's
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it's built out wide as opposed to dense you know it's like four times the area of new york one
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a fourth in a population still a big city but it's it's you need need transportation so i spent a
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lot of time alone and poor and and here's what's crazy back here in pa i live in one of two states
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pa and utah whereas the the um the liquor is still controlled by the state so so you got to go to
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state that we call them state stores growing up right chris rock made a joke i think it was chris
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rocker dave chappelle man i don't want to be you know all black we look the same as shit but uh he made
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a joke about you know you got to prepare yourself when you go to the projects you just look out the
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window and see liquor store gun store gun store liquor store i didn't get that joke because i grew
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up in pa when i first heard it when i got out to cali and i could go right over to the target across
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the street and pick up a bottle of some jack or something i was like what this is crazy so that's
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what i did every day after practice i go get a box of wine uh well i'd always have a box of wine on tap
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but then i go get something to supplement it like sometimes it'd be a 40 sometimes be a case
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sometimes it'd just be a bottle bottle of jack or bombay i was a big fan of bombay sapphire gin
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love the dirty martini and so i got to a point man where i was drinking every day when i could afford
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it when i couldn't afford it i just drank cheaper every day you know like like it got to the point
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man i remember come on what you know everybody got those signs man i started waking up with beer on my
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chest because i would fall asleep on my back with a can and i would have it that's when i would have a
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rest i take a sip fall asleep have it sit down my chest and then you know you wake up and roll over
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and i'm like oh this is crazy but um i had a job at a t-mobile in for a little while and one of the
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things i used to do in the break i'd go over across the street to the bar and drink all before my shift
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always i mean whenever whenever i could afford to drink yeah that's what it was about man and when there
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was unlimited alcohol i got a house function that was the worst man you know i always find the the
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topic of like drinking booze a fascinating one right it's like you know the way that you describe
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it it sounds a lot like you were like an just like a bad drunk right like you couldn't stop like you
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didn't have any self-control would that be accurate that's that's the best way to put it because because
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i could oh man see see it's hard because i think about some i did i i i never had that like oh man
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i gotta go drink like that never happened right but the minute the the pot was topped you know the
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top was pop man it was uh it was it man you couldn't stop that that was me and i had the worst not the
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worst personality but but i used to say dumb like uh you gotta get blackout drunk like once a week
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makes your mindset is still on point because you know your drunk mind's gonna tell you the truth
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which which now i think is when i hear people say that i'm like you understand that's putting you
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under the influence it's like a poison in your brain i'm not saying i'm not anti-alcohol i'm anti-alcohol
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for me right but i'm around you know people who drink all the time i got no issue with it especially
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if you don't control you know enjoy your life but but i'm not that guy you know i can't i definitely
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couldn't control it like what do you think is is or was different about you when you came across
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alcohol versus um let's take somebody like um you know the tate brothers i'm sure that you're
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familiar with them i was talking to tristan you know two four weeks ago or something like that
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and one of the things we were chatting about you know you know towards the end i asked him like
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how do you manage to stay in fighting shape and compete and like run the business and do everything
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that you do because a lot of the times like you often see them on social media you know drinking
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and um they're still competent right like they're still yeah able to perform like what like what
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what distinguishes guys that have no self self-control versus the ones that are still able to produce and
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slam back you know booze on a regular basis you know after meeting those guys in part you know i had
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i had a theory and then i met him in person um and and i can tell you the biggest difference
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one would not even notice if they did have an issue right because everything's on point they got
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the systems over and and that and they care so much i think for me i just just thinking about where
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i was when i was drinking like that compared to how i feel now um and then we'll contrast both me's to
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current tates right uh i i did not really feel like i didn't feel like anyone care like like i just felt
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like i was a um just kind of a leaf in the wind and and i was you know fighting really living for me
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one they're not really making much and not really doing much no kind of role model nothing like that
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like like pretty much like like like if i if i vanished right i really used to feel that i still
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kind of have that issue but these are the issues you got to confront and deal with
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that if i banished no one would notice or care right i don't think those guys ego could ever be
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that small to think that and i say that positively i don't mean that negatively i mean they have a
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really healthy sense of of their importance so they can't they can go out slam hard and get back
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up and go at it and on top of that man the fighters man like like because i drank like that
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when i fought not as a pro but but at the higher end of my amateur career where i was fighting like
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every other week um one crazy thing about fighters you see this a lot man we we no sane person gets
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into fighting because there's no money and and it's just a miserable life i used to say in the next life
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by my alpha career i'm gonna be a rock star because this shit sucks right uh because you don't really get
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to party you don't really get to do anything if you want to be good but uh and that's when you're
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training but when you're not crazy off the other end you go to the extreme the other end and that
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that balance for a while until you can't separate it and i think the people that can do a good job
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they they just they have a really strong life that allows they gives them purpose outside of it when i
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was drinking that was one of my that was my purpose i was like i'm the dude who fights and parties
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and drinks hard and that was really my identity and that was a hard thing for me to to was it was
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yeah it was challenging for me to give up and then switch to the identity i have now where i get my
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respect now i always say being light looks a lot like respect to people when i used to get neither
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and that comes from my experience man because i thought everybody wanting to be around me was cool
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and it was they wanted to be around me when i was drinking that's most of my time drinking i was the guy
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to go party but when it came time to serious like i started to notice nobody was inviting me to like
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serious family function right or somebody's real birthday where they wanted anything to be cool
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these are close friends i've known for years and it wasn't until i got sober again that they told me
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yeah that's one of the reasons why it's a big reason why not the only reason for real yeah well what's
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the most that you ever got paid to fight because you mentioned that getting getting paid wasn't wasn't
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really part of the reason why you fought and i've also heard that from the tates as well that they
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didn't get paid that much you know for fights so and he fought for belts man which is yeah yeah yeah
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i i know and it seems like there's a big spectrum like like 99 of fighters don't don't really get
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paid well but then there's that like top like one or two or three guys in their space that just that
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that just collect all of the money oh yeah you know who carl france is no he's um he was a middleweight
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champ out of the uk smart god too a smart guy will go do this carl france like i think he wrote
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he wrote a book or he wrote a series of articles either way uh where he talks about uh in his research
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you take all the guys that fought and he said 97 of them will have to get another job within
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a year of fighting there's just not them that much money and most of us i he didn't he didn't
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write about this but most fighters i know until you get get somebody looking at you seriously and
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there's and they have all the choice you know and that's not most fighters we all got jobs man i had
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a job see i had a job for my first when i start working my first five fights i had a job
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i didn't get signed to my six fight but but i didn't know what was going to but but i joined
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the military and and i had uh my gi bill coming in and stuff like that but you don't make a lot of
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money the most i got paid for my for my wonderful or terrible performance on showtime they paid me
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uh we're way past that now so i gotta talk about it they paid me 8 500 8 500 yeah and and of that
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8 500 25 has gone off ripped my manager and coach and then i gotta still pay uncle sam right right
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right so i walked away in fact you know this is this is the cool part of the story and i think a lot of
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people um missed this part but this was really the one of the most formidable times of my life
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formidable and formidable when i lost that fight september 23rd 2016 is when i lost
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lost by that too that was the trey lippie morrison the son of um yeah yeah yeah that's the one that
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i saw yeah okay and you know what's crazy man we'll get to that loops around you went down twice
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on that one pretty yeah man you know you want to hear something funny about that oh yeah when you
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i don't know if you've ever been like hit that hard or knocked down or anything like that when you do
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i i i didn't feel anything i thought i slipped i was like because because it was it was such a good
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clean shot that he got me with over my jab uh i didn't see it coming which is the punch that does
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the most damage and i thought i slipped i was like oh that's crazy man i slipped what the hell and i got
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it again i was like i'm slipping again whoops uh but then i looked at it again i was like nah man you
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got up that's right and then you know it took me a while i was like you know what you know what losing
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a fight like that is like it's like it's like when you bring her with a girl yeah i um i could
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not watch that thing for a while and i knew i couldn't train again so i could watch that was
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that last fight or that was no i had one more fight after that that i fought to a draw okay uh but
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uh when i when i looked at that fight you know i thought okay cool i got hurt now i'm i'm good i can
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say i got knocked that i got stopped let's go train and get back after it but that that fight man um but
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to put it in perspective though 8 500 25 gone then i gotta put some aside for taxes then i got my
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bills and rent and any money i borrowed when i was running through you know training camp i i had a job
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by november 1st because i remember what i was doing the month of november so i had a job by november
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first man and i was delivering shit for amazon um let me tell you something that humbles you
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like going up and then down it's one thing to be up always with the lights and the cameras and
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everybody's screaming yeah it's one thing to go from next day you're dropping boxes off hey oh man it
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was the worst because i worked two weeks in the factory in the sorting factory and then two weeks
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delivering and i quit that job um one morning i was out doing the deliveries it was like 6 a.m thank goodness
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and the car uh the the van shut down when i had it parked on a hill and then blew out and then
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just rolled backwards down the hill into somebody's garage thank god nobody was out because it was a
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residential area and i like that so everybody was safe no one got hurt it was a good time like like
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about good i mean like not bad but here's what made me quit whenever it is whenever you're involved in
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like a vehicular issue at a job where you drive as opposed to make sure you weren't drinking nothing
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crazy like that they sent out another van not to make sure i mean they made sure it was all right
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but i had to put all the packages in the next van and we finished up that route they was concerned
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about that profit now i don't want to bad mouth amazon because this was not uh amazon this was a company
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amazon subtracted that eventually went to or subcontracted eventually i won out that went
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bankrupt and everything but i said i'm gonna figure this out man like this is not this can't be my
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future like i'm and but now by that point i had more a lot more options because i had like i had like
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a hundred credits left in my degree or done in my degree and like had a bunch of experience in army now
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and i tried to get some jobs but nobody would hire me um for the amount of time that i could work
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because i wanted to finish out my schooling and pay me enough and it was because of that that i ended
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up tutoring which which changed my life uh because because that was a real it's a real humbling thing
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man i got a chance to like connect and work with kids and watch them go from being like really bad at
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math which i was coming up to getting them sharp um i'm always curious about people's childhood and
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you were talking about being raised primarily by a single mom you said that you knew your dad like
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did he did you get to see him that often or was it like almost always your mom oh man so i think about
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this a lot um and and my dad probably so my dad actually lived in philadelphia so i'm not only
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that i'm gonna did my and this is this is you know the people who don't uh know this reference i'm gonna
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clarify everyone thanks to from philadelphia honestly enough right even we hop on a call today
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and rich was like hey man philly like pittsburgh but one of my best friends uh cam cam awesome
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another boxer i was like looking at his phone one day uh or not his phone his computer his mac and i
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guess max link up with our phones whatever and i said oh who's at philly that's you man you don't
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recognize your number like i'm not from philly he's one of my best friends man like been to my crib
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and i'm at so so um how did i get oh yeah yeah well my father so i'm some i'm real familiar with
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philadelphia and and i'm on my girls um my girl's sister lives over there so we go a lot but he lived
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in philadelphia and and he would come on drive he'd come and see us
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two times a year maybe three for about never stayed for more than a week and he never stayed with us
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when he came he it was it always felt like he was coming to visit friends he had in the area and
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his kids were also here and he'd see them so like i don't have memories of my father as a disciplinarian
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or a guided source at all i i have like like i know he was around and he took us places because
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that's what dads do but like in turn but but but a constant force around somebody my the teachers
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would talk to somebody i had a problem and i go to nah he wasn't that character so right so how did
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that shape you growing up because i mean like the the the thing that i notice that happens more
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often than not at least when guys are coming to me and i mean i often deal with some guys that are
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like weapons right now like they make seven eight figures they run multiple businesses and then
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they're like yeah but my childhood was you know i didn't see my dad or my dad was hit by lightning
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when i was young or i was raised by a single mom sort of thing like that and they managed to figure
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it out at some point but for the most part these guys tend to end up being like nice guys
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you know they're mostly beta you know they're uh you know they do the whole you know be a shoulder
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to cry on you know they try to friend zone their way into a girl's heart sort of thing is that stuff
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that you experienced yourself or was that something you know that you had to reconcile to overcome
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so i don't i don't remember who who said it i know it was somebody with a voice either in like
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manos for a version now or or before or somewhere but somebody says something to the effect of
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when you if you grow up and you see women at their worst it becomes very difficult for you to
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pedestalize them and and and be that guy and i don't i i don't know what the experience of these other
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guys were how nice and loving and con them mothers were i i suspect they were good solid people because
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my mom was not that person i remind me i got a lot i really value my mom uh i think you know
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i'm gonna miss her when she's gone but we have a good dialogue now but that is because when i was
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from 18 to 23 i didn't talk to her and and i finally discovered forgiveness and that plays a really big
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will in my life because forgiveness made everyone's life better not just for my mom to be able to talk
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to her child but for me to to not carry that poison a place that i blame on somebody else from my
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adulthood when i was 11 this was the formative moment there were tons of moments beforehand but
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this was the formative moment i watched my mom get arrested and she didn't have to get arrested she got
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super drunk uh is you not as usual but but it was a fairly regular occurrence and she got into a fight
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with this woman and she went out in the street and fought her i remember holding her back from the door
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trying to hold her back my mom's a big big woman man like and and i'm 11 years old swimming work so
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she went up there five got arrested got booked for the night uh so went to jail me my sister you know
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living by and stayed by so our mom's dealing with this because my dad's in philly he don't know
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shit about this uh and and at that point i was like i'm gonna have to figure i might have to figure
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this thing out by myself and and it was it became very hard for me after that point to look at to look
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at girls or something better than me you know so so i i never walked around with with those nice guy
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tendencies i think like i know what you're talking about i see him i never had them because that
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she never served me um growing up it it definitely didn't serve me none of that i served me but the
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one influence in my life the main female influence in my life uh i i developed a a weird kind of disdain for
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for a while and you know where that manifesto because because we no one makes out of childhood
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unscathed man we all come out with our issues i went the other way and and that has its sewer
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problems it's funny me and my fiancee joke about this all the time that i was like a straight dog
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like like you know you bring a straight dog in and the old owners used to beat it and and
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feed it and every time you try and be nice and pet the dog the dog snarls at you
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i was kind of like that now i'm way more domesticate and that's a good thing because
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she's a very good woman and very patient uh in in me figuring out a lot of a lot of things but
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but that other end is not you know that's the problem i would imagine i and i don't know if you
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see this because i've never coached guys uh in this regard but i've always felt like when you grow up
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being real nice and you finally get your backbone it's more easy to go the other way
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okay so my issue i'm i i'm naturally still because i kind of like to be violent and i recognize the
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power of that violence so i i will always avoid violence and plus i try to think about the overall
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how the dynamic if if we we pop off into a conflict and it ain't even got to be physical
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like even on the internet you see how i am with people and and the guys we've worked with some of
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the uh the spaces we've intersected i wouldn't say i'm on the best terms but i'm i don't think i'm on
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bad terms than anybody because i recognize there's there's a price to pay for that but in that has not
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always been the case and i've had to really work to temper that to be a to be even you know wherever
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you come from you gotta you gotta balance it out my issue was being very self-centered and not thinking
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about the things going on around me because if if i thought about things going on around me very often
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at least until i got to high school uh you get take advantage taken advantage of or manipulated
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and so i developed a way to live out different than that to this day emotional but now she's figured
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out how to do it because she's smart she's a good woman but to this day uh i am i'm like hypersensitive
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to anything that that smells of emotional manipulation and and probably react disproportionately
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uh to it than i need to but that that's uh that that's that's where that that you know kind of comes
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from and or rather how i responded to not having um father because because of my mom my mom's influence
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was she was a parent sure but like there's a lot of things that that she got got very wrong i think
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but the part of being an adult is you don't blame that shit yeah like like how sad would it be if i
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be sitting here you know in prison or something and i'm blaming blaming what happened to me 18 20 years
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ago i don't want to downplay the role of your your you being you know how you were raised but at some
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point being an adult by definition you've got to take responsibility and i think i've done that
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you know what speaking of responsibility i mean like we live in a world today where that seems
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to be there's a lot there's like a lack of accountability and there's a lack of responsibility
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with a lot of people and it's not just you know certain demographics it's men women it's everything
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like i see it everywhere right and it's one of the things that i would point to like if somebody said
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to me like you know why do you think things are so upside down today that part of it is there's a
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total lack of accountability and responsibility with a lot of people um what's your opinion on that man
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thomas saw has this great quote where he goes the first rule economics is scarcity there's not enough
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uh to go around for everyone the the first rule of politics is to make people forget the first rule
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economics and we we live in this incredibly abundant time period like like sometimes i like to sit back
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and then like i feel in awe like i feel kind of weird because i look and i go i feel like i was plucked
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from like the 1900s and i'm looking at metal tubes zooming through the air with people and global
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synchronous communication and this little device and the fact that we're having this conversation
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like we're room in the room right and the medicine that's around like like we live in the future i mean
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for all intents and purposes we've conquered the physical world i mean yeah vulcan virus can take us out
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something we're we're very close to beating asteroids if they not if they come to the planet and and
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despite what they tell you it's not really enough nuclear material on the planet to do something
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crazy the way it is used i mean you can still do some damage but it won't wipe out society why do i say
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all this it's so easy it's so easy to survive that that we don't have anything to push against and i really
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think a person is developed by pushing against hardship and it teaches you scarcity it teaches you decision
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making it teaches you priority and you have you never had to prioritize because everything is at
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your feet fingertips and your life is not hard when you do face little hardship you'll break down so
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you try to avoid that dr jonathan height writes about this i think the book is called coddling of the
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american mind or something to that effect where he talks about uh how the like three main markers
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for development are being pushed or have been pushed further and further out and the three he he uh
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focused on in the lecture i watched is he goes the average age of a kid getting a driver's license now
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is 18 it used to be 16 they used to be like the thing the uh average age of their first alcoholic drink he
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wasn't you know supporting our our um cast of guys in it either way he was just saying though the average
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age has gone up kids are not drinking in high school and the average age of the first like date is like
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like 19 if they ever had one right and and his point with bringing that up was that these are these are
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risky situations you have to go to kind of by definition where there's a positive or a negative outcome you're
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not really quite sure but you have to navigate it and we don't take risk anymore because you know
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things have been mitigated you don't have to i think about how i met my best friends in high school
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we were talking about who was better at marvel versus capcom the old video game so we went to the
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arcade and settled it and that was back when arcade was a social event you had to get together with
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rules you had to follow if you got beat on you had to like deal with being taunted and still come back
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and earn your respect like like it wasn't fighting but it was an environment that wasn't
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safe in the sense of like you're going to walk away feeling good all right same with girls we
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used to have to go walk and talk to girls ask out ask them out get their number be rejected or
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accepted and they had to navigate that too now it's just swipe or slot in the dms okay this whole thing
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the why why there's no accountability is because there's no exposure to negative so by the time we
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get to the point where you have to be in control of something you go no i just want it all and you never had
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to encounter not having it all not getting what you want and i don't mean not getting what you want
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like like everyone is is uh is pay laid and ripped right i mean not getting which one isn't you never
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had to experience the pain of not succeeding because there was always a distraction even now i think one
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of the worst things about porn is is a god doesn't doesn't get that feeling that a real legit blue ball is
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like yo i gotta figure this out i gotta get better i gotta get ripped no i'll just disappear i'll just
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disappear into the digital world what is what is tons of variety there's nothing to force people
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to interact with the real world and the rest to come with that and learn how to manage them
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so when they do they don't want to take the when you're accountable yeah you you get the spoils
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right but you also take the l's when you avoid accountability because the the level of not taking
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the spoils of not being rewarded is so hot now right it's so comfortable that yeah you can deal with being a
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being a regular ass dude right you don't have to trust you don't have you never have to risk the
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downside but you never go up but but because your downside or the thing you don't get is so still so
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good you think you can get it all and there's no accountability for what you say what you do
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so it's all like the you know soft times create soft people and hard very very much so man like like
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people give that some people get at me a lot of shit and and and i have a per a slight criticism of it i
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don't disagree with the meme entirely at all uh i just i think that was made in a time of of not
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the level of technology we have in other words i i don't think in the sense of like whenever they
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portray the hard times it's like the greatest generation you know level hard times and i don't
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think those are coming you know i just at least what's what's what's albert on stand say i don't know
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what weapons world war three is going to be fought with but world war four we fought with sticks and
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stones kind of deal like if we ever we ever get to that point it's it's going to be way bad so i
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don't think that the hard times per se are coming because even the hard times are comfortable when
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people talk about uh i'm not i'm not super familiar with the political situation in canada
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but when people talk about any type of revolt or civil war down here or or or mass rejection of
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mandates or whatever i always remind them that the thing you need for revolution is extreme discomfort
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amongst the masses you look at every revolution in history successful or not it started because
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people were doing shit like eating rotten food or watching or not being able or down because of cold
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in the winter it wasn't because we could sit and watch fucking tiger king season one and two and we
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got cooped up in the house now because then there's sports you saw it we all saw it right last uh
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what was it it was the summer of 2020 we almost we were this close because they they took the sports
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and they took the donnie they took all the fun and so people were like there's nothing to do but get
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mad about shit and they started getting mad about stuff that's when you get a change that's when they
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started pumping out the vaccines now they're like oh now we can force this on these people because now
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they want more freedom so we'll give you back the sporting events we'll give you the nightclubs we'll
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give you the restaurants if you get if you put this in you it's it's it's nuts that's how they
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coerce them all anyway that's uh that's a topic that we don't talk about yeah that's a different
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you know oh that's right yeah you gotta gotta gotta deal with that we gotta be careful about certain
00:47:56.620
things we're gonna dance around um you were talking about porn earlier and i saw somewhere on
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your social feed that you've got a course on on quitting porn i always find that's like
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fascinating as hell because because people ask me often and i do these call-in shows and people
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call in and ask about nofap and all this it's like i don't get it right because it's like i've always
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had access to porn like even as a kid like i remember i don't know maybe like as young as 12
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or 13 at a friend's house it's like you know billy's like hey check this out i found this like
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magazine called playboy my dad's bedroom sort of thing he's got a stack of them and you're like
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oh cool let's go look at it it's like i just i just never you know got to a point where i was like
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you know i was like addicted to it like i had to look at it all the time whether it was online or
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magazines or anything like that it's like you know and the older you get and you know if you're you
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know if you're good with game and you you know you're intimate with women you don't even think
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about porn right so i always find it fascinating when guys get like so obsessed with it and they have
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like no fat months and no this month and like why you know like why do you why do you let this own you
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you got to remember something man look and and first let me preface this well what i always say
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that you know you're responsible it's all personal responsibility at the end of the day
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you make decisions you live and die by the i am you'll never move me off that peg
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what you've been able to do or what what society's been able to do as i continue to learn things is
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build things around that peg okay so so why why the um the the porn thing is such a big deal now
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compared to when you and i were with your kids and then i know you're a little older than me or older
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me i don't know about how much but um let's just say a little older it makes me look a little bit better
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but uh we we didn't have what they have today which is one the sheer amount okay and then the delivery
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system everyone has got one of these artist computer and it's high speed high def it's ubiquitous and it's
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free so and then it's discreet so we we got we get no cost we got easy administration system
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we got variety variety is key and i'll cover that next and we have privacy of views all right
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now that that that third point that uh variety you familiar with the coolidge effect you ever heard
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of this yeah yeah okay right that's a big deal because you know even even if you explain the
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coolidge effect to those that don't understand it okay so the coolidge effect is this idea that
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in in in the uh come from a uh president that came from president coolidge he was there's a story
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with like the chickens in the way yeah yeah still he was like taking a tour of the farm and and they
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were explaining how they they they get the roosters to get to bang the hens and it was like oh we just
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switch out a new hen and the rooster goes crazy every time he'll do that until he dies if you just keep
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giving them new right and that's how that's how we're programmed no no man you got to tell the rest
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of the story because there's a joke um uh i i man i got is it has something to do with his wife where
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he the wife makes a condescending comment to cool you know she's like hey you know why can't you do
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that right and he's like well it's probably because you know the roosters get in variety yeah there you go
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that that's what it is all right so so that's like a real you know think about it man like what
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what do they say man that nut likes some new pussy right that's like the thing it ain't you know it
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didn't even got to be bq it's just new and different than that variety is is a driving force take that
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idea right now we pair it with the other idea which your brain is really bad at telling the difference
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between reality and imagination this is why scary movies scary right you know any
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shit gonna happen to you but but it you know it feels like it because they've set the scene
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and those don't even play on the same parts of the brain that like an arousing woman would or busting
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a nut would man so you put those two things together and you get you have the illusion of variety like
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like you have um there was an old you remember the old crack.com website they had a post about this
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you're talking about crack magazine yeah cracked magazine yeah yeah okay and they they had a post
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about this that talked about how the the world of internet pornography is effective is the closest
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example we have to what a post scarcity economy looks like and that there is no shortage there is
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infinite variety i mean it's not really infinite variety but like uh the the pornhub put these stats out
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themselves in 2012 the the comparison they made that's how funny they think they are this is the
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comparison they made they said if you started watching porn when the civil war started if you
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started watching the porn that we have on our site you would not be finished at this moment in 2000
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when they put the stats out 2012 and then somehow that's all you did so there's and there's tons
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uploaded every day there's you never get you'll never get bored it's very easy now that you have all
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those factors in play it's very easy to fall into that and and it's much easier and rewarding if you
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don't know better than a real woman will be so if you get hooked on this stuff now at like 12 13 maybe
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even earlier you don't even know what it's like because you never take the risk because why would you
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it's it's it's a really insidious setup they have yeah i'm i'm just like don't you know just don't do
00:53:46.300
it right like you know you ever see the matrix you know and the one i don't know maybe i don't maybe
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i'm immune whatever but you've got a course on it so go to ed's website you know he'll sell you a course
00:53:56.460
on how to unplug and i've actually got something better than better than selling a course it's a free god
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now just go check it out man and and hopefully you know you you get something out of it if corn is
00:54:07.420
is your poison cool cool um talk about video games because you played a lot of video games
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when you're younger do you still play video games like what you don't man in fact let me tell you
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something when i when i first because i was living in portugal for a while when i first moved where i
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live now uh i went i i was like oh you know what i'm gonna buy me a ps4 for the final fantasy 7 remake
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they made so i was like that was like the second that i bought my tv then i i went and got my my ps4
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and i said i think i do some work i'm gonna open this up later delayed gratification okay and uh like
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three months later i was like yo did i buy a ps4 like i forgot i bought it and it was so long i couldn't
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return it so i i sold it to somebody on facebook my point of that whole story was that i i
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loved video games i love the final fantasy series it's it's what what really made me want to really
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get into fiction and and read fiction because when you play these games it was largely text-based
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but at at 36 years old i i just couldn't imagine having the time how someone has the time like i'll
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never talk shit on the gaming community because i think games are a great outlet for a lot of people
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that are lost but if you if that's all you're doing in your life is not progressing and i think
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about like what i would have had to be doing to have you know three four hours a day because that's
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what you really got to do now you can't just it's not like the video games we've grown up you know you
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can beat the game in two hours nah man this shit is laser it's and it's by design and keep you hope
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keep you in there so you got to put in two three hours minimum per session nah i don't i don't have
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that kind of time anymore man and i haven't for a long time i remember the very last video game
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i seriously played it was something called persona it was on ps2 and i got it because when i was 22 i
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got pneumonia and i needed something to do because i couldn't go anywhere and i didn't even have the
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energy to stay awake and play it my cousin ended up being it before i sold it gotcha gotcha um
00:56:17.020
um what about um stuff with uh combat sports i want to ask you this i mean do you recommend to
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guys today and i mean i've got a chapter in my book about it and you know my stance for those of you
00:56:30.380
that are you know confused is is get into combat sports i mean i wish that i had done it earlier in
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my life because it got to the point where it's like you know i realized shit man you know i'm strong
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like like like i can bench three plates like i can do this with my legs like i'm like i'm strong and
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then i realized one day like what would happen if i had to fight and i'm like i don't really know
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how to fight i never had to fight like i never got into fights when i was younger because i was always
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like big and ripped and i'm a tall guy so people don't like naturally just never really mess with
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me and i thought to myself like what would happen if i got in a fight i'd be like i'd get fucked up
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so you know that's when i i was like you know what i want to go do something different than throw
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around iron all the time you know like i still live but sign up for krav maga then i switched over
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to boxing i really like boxing now so i've been doing that for like last year and a half
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um it's it's a lot more interesting than i thought it would have been and i moved over to
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it because i was asking the instructor one day i'm like what would you do if you got in a fight
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and it came down to needing to you know deal with your opponent he's like well you have to know how
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to strike so i said well what's the best thing to do then he says boxing i'm like all right so
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i'm gonna start doing that then so i want to get your opinion on this like as far as combat sports
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goes would you recommend to men today that that that's something useful is it not useful i mean
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like you're a professional fighter so i'm curious about what that means to you man look
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i think everybody should i think it should be mandatory like you do amateur boxing in high
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school where they make you instead of pe you got to sign up for amateur boxing
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because the training for boxing uh is you are now know just from a from a uh we'll just call it a
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fitness standpoint not even competitive it's it's some pretty high level shit it's it's very high
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level stuff like the cardio conditioning's pretty intense like it's very like you would you would
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eliminate the obesity epidemic yeah in in under a decade if you made boxing mandatory okay
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but but to counter the practical argument that often comes up and when i i make the people all
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time i tell them you don't we don't want to learn boxing for the street because motherfuckers carry
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knives and guns or pick up brakes right that's not why you're learning it you're learning it because
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you need to deal with legitimate discomfort because there is nothing comfortable about boxing there's
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nothing comfortable about the the punching getting hit the training you got to learn how to deal with
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that and then still persevere in their face something and this is something you can't get
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anywhere else you can't get it in your video games uh you can't get it even socially because even though
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there's some discomfort in being social the other person can kind of like let you down easy right
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but when there's a competition and there's points on the line or there's a victory and the only way to
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win this is what boxing is why i talk about boxing and i elevated above like grappling is the only way
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out of a boxing match is pain right ain't no there's no tapping him there's no getting choked out you
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either get get the beat out of you and you hope you hit the other guy more and and you get more points
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because that's how points are scored hitting the guy or you knock him out which is just hitting him hard
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up to where it goes but either way the only way through a fight is to fight all right and by doing
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that you learn you learn about well first you learn how to to work through pain i think that's something
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no one can do or very few people do today you learn about staying focused when you're exhausted
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that that your your what your body's telling you is not what you have to abide by you know if it like
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like i know i'm tired don't like there ain't never a spar fight why i ain't ever been tired right
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what's that got to do with the fight this guy's the one knock me out that's a very different mindset
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and you carry that in everything you do and fighting teaches that to you uh viscerally you don't it's not
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a theory anymore when i talk i put out three recommendations for self-improvement a while back i said
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learn how to live on sales on commission learn another language to like be one level of proficiency
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and a lot of fight like take like training us for a fight for for in a fighting a combat sport not
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grappling but a combat sport for a minimum of one year because you can't bs any of that either you can
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do it or you can you get real world stress back but fighting in particular is i i wish more people did it
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but so few people fight i remember when i started fighting people were like what are you doing
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you are you worried about getting hurt and i'm like no like i'd rather it was weird
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they're not worried about getting hurt i just accepted that as the cost of doing business
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which is life part of life is going to get hurt i mean i think fighting is like overall the best
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analogy for living yeah i'm gonna get hurt like what you worry about brain damage me and you're gonna
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die the difference is when i'm on my deathbed i'm gonna have cool stories for being a badass you
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you're gonna you know be happy you got to retire you're a coward i'll say it yeah you know i always
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hated that when guys would say aren't you worried about brain damage or fighting guys will message me
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and go i want to fight but i'm worried about brain damage well you know don't do go do something else
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because there's no guarantee man guys guys have guys have died fighting even even as recently as
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last year uh it was so if you're worried about getting hurt you got to go do something else but
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i can tell you this if you're worried about getting hurt life is going to be a lot less
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interesting for you yeah um here let me grab a couple of these super chats that are starting to
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pile up before i forget about them we got did you know maddie said stem cpa trades entrepreneurs
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the way forward that's my preferred uh path obviously uh would you want your girl to be an entrepreneur rich
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um listen you know my uh kid um you know sees me as a guy that's never had a boss you know as long as
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she's known me and her mom um you know is a professional right you know she's a lawyer so
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she gets exposure to both so whatever she chooses to do when she's an adult work you know let's let's
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see where it goes uh cheers guys playing the wind please talk crypto um what are your thoughts on
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crypto since that came up oh man what are my thoughts on crypto so so i got tired of being ignorant
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and when did you okay so when did you stop being ignorant because for me that was around 2017.
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i stopped being ignorant about around what are we in 2021 one so so probably this summer you know
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okay so you're pretty new then i'm i'm super new and i started learning i didn't want to just learn
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about like i wonder why this thing exists what what the hell is decentralized finance yeah what problem
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it solves kind of looking at all the ways it can be applied and and i think
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so we we may or may not disagree but here's what i think i think that the security applications
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of decentralized finance pretty much the whole concept of a blockchain uh i think that is going
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to revolutionize the the the electronic world like no other i i just i think that level of of
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transparency what was the like big aha moment for you where you're like you know i i just can't ignore
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this anymore this is like a frying pan to the forehead moment um you you know what man there's
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there's a there's a guy i follow you might be familiar with him or chris johnson he's a he's real
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big into stocks and he started talking about crypto and i got to meet up with him out in las vegas and we
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were just chopping up and he was talking about it i said you know this is a guy who i've trust and worked
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with let me at least learn on top of that i have i have whenever i have an opinion about something
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i try to make sure that opinion is based in fact like we may not agree but i would like to at least
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be able to argue and know how to be convinced like you ever you ever like argue with somebody just
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just dumb about the topic like you can't even come no i don't argue with people like that
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i just recognize this guy's dumb about the topic i'm not even having the conversation well on the
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i know what you mean though yeah yeah yeah you you can't even convince them because they don't know
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enough to be to actually be wrong right they're just off so i wanted to know at least enough to be
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wrong and and i think i think defy is is going to i don't know i don't know how because because the
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the the the challenge defy crypto has and i see them mounting and fighting the fight is is they have
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to deal with with big government and big government is going to make it very difficult if not prohibitively
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or prohibitively difficult for them to take a real position in our financial market to be taken seriously
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that's the other challenge uh and this is kind of speculative but because i'm in the tech
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i see this i am not convinced that crypto wallets are going to remain on crackable and that will
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that will put it because quantum computing is is here chinese have it we have it uh and
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and right now right it's for you know kind of special uses and on the cloud for people
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but but it won't be too long probably in our lifetime where someone's going to to crack a crypto wallet
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straight up and and that will put a ding in one of the main selling points of of cryptocurrency
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yeah but i think they're gonna probably pivot and adapt to that because they're gonna know that that
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like the computing power is so powerful that they can crack um you know um wallet ids or keys or whatever
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but i mean like the thing you gotta remember is if you're not connected to the blockchain then they
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can't access it so there's so there's that so there's one yeah someone you know what the second
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thing is yeah and then the second thing is they're of course going to upgrade the security of you know
01:06:26.220
the blockchain and your uh wallets because if quantum you know computing is able to crack into them then
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maybe then instead of having like a whatever it is 26 keyword phrase it's a 52 or 117 or something
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like that and it just makes quantum you know computing like obsolete from that perspective the other
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thing too with defy though is the government can't stop defy right because it's it's it's
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decentralized so the only way that they can stop it is if they turn off the internet basically if they
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if there's an emp strike and electricity is rendered you know null and void but because
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by by its structure because it's decentralized finance they can't control it they can only control
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the on-ramps and the off-ramps so i mean if you want to convert crypto that was a better point
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then that's where they'll get you yeah they can't control yeah they they can't control that but
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the one of the alluring points right is is to circumvent kind of being on the grid but i think
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that they're going to find ways around that too like like there's a lot of oh dude there's a lot
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of really smart guys in this space that are doing some incredible stuff and it like like it frustrates
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me the end of the world whenever i do a collab with charlie uh you know we're talking about stuff
01:07:31.820
with crypto and there's always guys in the comments that are like oh it's a ponzi scheme you're gonna lose
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all your money oh no no i am i am way past that no there's a lot of guys that still think it's a
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ponzi scheme there's a lot of dudes but you know i i know i think it is well if for any other reason
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and then its value is dictated by what people pay what people pay so you know you you look at that
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and and then once i understood that coins have functionality that was probably like like
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understanding that idea that made a big difference and there's a guy um oh man i was
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i wish i could raise his name is like d fire key or something like that that's my favorite line
01:08:10.220
have fun being poor he was uh he was explaining to me um like how to look up the functionality of each
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coin i was like oh wow this is really interesting okay i see like like well once i saw what it could
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be used for i was like okay like i'm not i'm definitely not i might be a late bloomer but once i i
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see an idea and then look at what people are doing commercially i'm just like okay this is
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yeah cool good good good all right let's see what well dude man we got mike tyson in the chat what's up
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uh he wants mike tyson's looking for advice on how to increase punching power so ed give it to mike
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okay the easy way to increase punching power uh technique if you got to improve your technique
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and get someone to teach you technique and that technique and this won't necessarily translate
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immediately but uh realize that a a strong punch starts in your legs your feet and then that force
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is driven up and then oh man i should know this word that's like my uh translate it there we go that that
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that force is translated through your legs when you twist your core and everything is done in unison
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um when i'm teaching guys how to punch one of the things i make sure they understand is that there is no
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difference in terms of body mechanics and movements between a right cross a right hook or are throwing a
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bowling ball or swinging a bat or throwing a dart or throwing a football that mechanics are those mechanics
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are the same so it's really about unison you got to get everything moving at the same time and have
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that force be driven up through your legs so it takes so long to be able to punch with great i mean
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even your heaviest punchers your natural heavy-handed guys i mean maybe they had a good sense of how to do
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that but it doesn't really mean it takes a while for that to develop under duress but for your average
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person this is wild by the way random uh interjection we're not really random this is why i will never
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ever i mean unless i'm trying to save somebody's life throw a punch because i know i at the very
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least you're going down uh and and that's not like a brag or boast i i just know what i'm doing and i
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understand that that if i hit you in the chin you the odds of you staying conscious are so low i'm i'm 220
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pounds or 230 pounds man like and and not a bad 230 pounds like in shape and i'm not a punch if i hit a
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regular person or going down when you can hit somebody you ain't even got to be that big like
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people get knocked off train fighters get knocked out at like 160 pound range so 147 whatever you
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can drop a guy by generating that power so get your legs right and learn how to twist your core
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and get everything at the same time and you'll probably need someone to coach you on punching
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technique that's a hard thing to learn from the internet yeah you gotta like i i would recommend if you
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have the means to hire a coach and train one-on-one don't do group classes if you want to get the most
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out of your time in it yeah it's going to cost you more but i've been doing one-on-ones for the last
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year and a bit and dude it's a game changer like it's it's just awesome um let me just hit on the
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second half here he says for mr cooper how do i stay consistently evolving with all distractions
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in this world i find myself constantly getting distracted um you know what it boils down to a few
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things and i want to hear ed's input on this too um because i know that you're super focused on the
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stuff that you do as well but when it comes to distractions it's like you know if you find you
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find yourself needing like you have a task you have a project you have a business that you want to run
01:11:50.460
something and you're not doing it it just means that you don't want it bad enough to me is all that
01:11:55.260
that means i mean if you want something bad enough then you're either going to find a way to do it
01:11:58.300
or you're going to find an excuse oh i have abc to do but i just got my ps5 and i want to level up my
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character it's like okay well what's more important to you you know launching the business
01:12:08.460
or leveling up your character and getting the new armor or sword or whatever the it is you got
01:12:12.300
to get by playing the video game right like it's it's that there's other things that are you know
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um useful as well there's things like nootropics you know which you can look up and get a little
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more familiar with it and i'll be honest with you uh microdosing things like psilocybin um they can
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definitely help with productivity as well but i want to hear from that as well too yeah i like i like all
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that i agree with all of it and then i mean the only thing i would add and i don't even think this
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is a is an addition just a rephrasing is is i'm assuming you're asking that because you're having
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trouble staying focused like i'm gonna give you the benefit of the the doubt and say you want it bad
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enough you just don't um you're not able to like put your mind there and and so like here's some training
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wheels just get rid of a bundle all the extra shit just get rid of it and if you have nothing
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to do but what you're trying to do or you make it prohibitive or you you you make it you know
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prohibitively difficult uh like i use this app forest where like i lose my tree if i go open another
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window or browser if you're gonna work on the internet little games like that but but it still
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boils down to like uh do you want this bad enough and eventually with enough little training to stop
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being distracted you won't need that stuff but if you don't want it bad enough it won't matter
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you know and and really i think if you do really want it you'll you'll stop the other stuff because
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it's it all it is are these these cheap dopamine hits man it ain't it ain't really it doesn't last
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it just feels good it's how you get it's how people get hooked on drugs it feels good like like there
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comes a point where every crack kid was like oh i'm a crackhead well time to go smoke and it's like bro
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you just admitted that's bad for you yeah but i gotta smoke okay i'm assuming i'm assuming you're
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like that guy just get rid of a bunch of shit for a week and try and focus man like and and i don't i
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haven't gone down the micro dosing route but if you want a um a supplement meditation really really uh
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has helped a lot and and don't even think about what you're trying to get out of it just trust the
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process go read about it later and all you got to do is like sit for like 10 minutes and try and keep
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your mind on your breath being able to do that will make it easier for you to keep your mind on
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everything else that's all you need to know yeah i mean the these devices are designed to distract you
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um there's a book written by near al it's called hooked and he basically breaks down how technology
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today is designed to keep your attention on that technology whether it's a video game whether it's
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social media because i mean you actually do get these like little dopamine hits every time you're
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checking notifications alike somebody commented on something boom boom boom i have all notifications
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off of my phone with the exception of text messages from select people and phone calls that's it dude
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that that's next level i'm taking using that yeah um let me see what else we got here we got uh lewis
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just a little thanks and moff wants to know how black coffee is today if you guys don't know uh ed on
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social media he's known for talking about how black his coffee is where can they get the mug if they
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want just got this trademark yeah there you go oh yeah that's uh that's that's coming along uh lewis is
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me changing these things slowly really working out i have the books uh each time listening to get more
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info um i want to ask you about the manosphere because that's where i kind of like um let's let's
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talk about the mano swamp because i mean like you're really not manosphere sort of dude but
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look i'm just happy you recognize that that's enough for me hey listen that's that's that's where
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i'm trying to get you know like i you know i pulled out of the rule zero thing and i don't spend time
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in the mano swamp anymore i have friends in there that i can count on like on one hand maybe a few
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fingers sort of thing you know that i still uh chop it up with but i'm not a big fan of it i want to get
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your view and opinion on what you think of like the manosphere slash manoswamp today okay
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what's the best way to okay so you know how people you know how people get bad habits because
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at one point that was like a good habit like it was useful it was a coping mech all right but it
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becomes i saw it that way for the first little while too yeah yeah but it becomes a bad habit
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when you use it beyond the utility you're getting when the value when the cost starts to exceed the
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value you no longer need it a lot of guys find this space or find that i will find that's this space
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um because they are not in a good spot like they always say you um you don't really like no one goes
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oh man my life is good time to take the red pill right like that's not really how it works all right
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when you do that you know then you go through your five stages all the stuff i you know i
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rip he'll change my life i will never say anything uh disparaging about the general concept here's the
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problem that it's run into uh everybody people have realized that it is it's it's a it's a place to make
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money and and the story that my my coach used to tell me about one of them you know emmanuel steward is
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uh main studios that he like trained lennox lewis and and hollyfield maybe he's a hall of fame trainer
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right well he died a few years ago and and i and i had my coach was telling me some guys were like yeah
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i was like man manny never let us make any money right and and i was like man why are people hating
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on manny stewart man right and my coach is described to me best and this is what i used to describe
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manager he goes imagine you're in a cage and there's one big ass piece of cheese and all the rats are in
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the cage trying to get that one piece of cheese okay and and the cheese are the customers the rats are
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everybody in the manos here okay so they're fighting clawing killing joe trying to get this piece of
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cheese and there's nowhere to go it's just that cheese and it's a zero sum game they gotta get that
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cheese that's the easy part to understand then i'm a modify now for you let's pretend that cage is
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invisible and there's a bunch of other rats all outside the cage and they're like how do we get in
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so they're out there fighting amongst themselves to get that piece of cheese and every now and then
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the door open as they kick out a carcass and another one will come in to join the free-for-all
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because of how the manosphere is based originally and and what sells because we pay attention to
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negativity that has come to dominate the conversation on two fronts uh on the initial problem we're
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talking about you know the the women and intersectional elements and then the inter um
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personal beefs right so so it's really started to become this super negative space man and it's and
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it's really hard for me what i do is this right like i tell people about about a certain event i'm never
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gonna go out of my way to disparage said event or set runner of event but if somebody asked me
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about said event and you know what i'm talking about i'm gonna keep it a buck with my on the whole deal
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and wherever the chips may fall they fall ain't no thing about that right because i feel you know good
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about where i stand i'm not worried about you know like i don't make money doing anything with it i think
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you've said this a few times about about guys who rely on that space for money that that changes a lot
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of how to improve yeah so because see because i mean you can only take somebody as far as you've come
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and a lot of guys that end up in that space you know they they see an opportunity and they see um
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they see havoc they see pain they see chaos you know like you said you know people don't come to
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the mana swamp because things are good in their life you know they come to try to fix problems
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and um the problem is a lot of the people that i found anyway that are offering solutions um
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they've they were nobody you know before they figured out what women respond to and what you
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know certain things mean it's a it's a weird thing because it was so weird to me man because i was
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already like i had done a lot you know with my life by that point i came in there i'm like okay cool
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you know let's help help a few people that sort of thing and i was like huh this is weird you know
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what you figure out man like how you get there matters as much as the destination and and i don't
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i don't care about how helpful you you you you some people find your content if if it gets there a
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certain way that's no good man because at the end of the day i i've gotta because right now like you
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said i'm not um no one will really look at my being go that's a master guy in fact i had some
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i had a i had a girl write me the other day uh and say man your article about taking a lead in a
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relationship you know i'm an art and feminist but i really agree with this and i just want to let you
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know which guy was like wow man i'm really in a different place no no but um that's the the key
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is that i i'm aware of like my actions and how many people look and if i whenever i i co-sign something
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whenever i'm i'm there talking i am by my presence there i'm saying okay this is this is uh everything
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about this i'm cool with or like like like and i can stand by that and i don't want to and i know
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i'll take that responsibility to the grave i'll never back out anything i've ever stood by it done
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and said but going forward i have to be like all right this is probably too negative for what i'm
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trying to do this is missing the point uh this is probably the the cost of helping this guys exceeds
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the value and the method you know for how you're doing it so enough about the negative there are some
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really good you know one one great thing about youtube is that you you can only
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bullshit youtube for so long because of the way it's set up and what people demand to see
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as parts of your life and your story and all that and and you know you let somebody talk long enough
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on any platform they will out themselves that's just how it goes all right so one of the cool things
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is that there are a lot of really really solid guys coming up i wouldn't necessarily call manosphere
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but they are they are masculinity kind of like what we were talking about like the first guys to come
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to mind immediately or if you're familiar i don't know if you're familiar with like the roommates
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podcast those guys very like like positive constructive work and what you can do and then it's a very it's a
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cool way to see how you can do this and not be negative yeah it's interesting though because i
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mean like the the um you know the roommates podcast i thought was pretty good and um i mean
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there's been some criticism that i've heard from the manos i'm calling them like purple pill or they
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don't understand you know certain specifics and details sort of thing but you know they do more
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good than they do bad for sure like i think not only not only that you know not only that but like
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there's nuance man like not everything is is exactly your experience yeah yeah is your experience
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and and i do think there there are enough uh the generalities are good but when you start applying
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them in a specific case where you remember why the generalities because when you get the specifics
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the specifics there are there are levels there's nuance there's different applications there are
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some things people will follow some things going i mean it takes it just you know it's like we were
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saying early in the combo when you go from being super nice you go the other way with all super hard
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and and it takes maturity humility and really a commitment to growing to get to a point where you use
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judgment instead of having just a knee-jerk reaction to either extreme correct and listen ed up i want
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to be respectful of your time because we're coming up on like 90 minutes and uh you've you've dropped a
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lot of nuggets of gold here on this um you know show you you've always been one of those guys that i can
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look at and be like ed's legit like like he is he is authentic what you see is what you get i love your
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presence on social media i like your writing yeah yeah um and i'm not doing that just you know rub up
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to like i'm legitimately saying like check out ed's stuff follow him him on social media um take a
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minute and just tell people you know where to find you and what it is that you do specifically and what
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it is that you can help them with yeah man so i feel sorry for anybody boring after me with my name
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man because i got that everywhere i'm ed latimore on instagram twitter my uh my facebook is ed latimore
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both my my page and my personal and i take requests on all just just come hang out uh and
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my youtube channel is is ed latimore yeah man that's coming somehow i don't even promote it man i gotta
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get a 1100 subscribers man i gotta i gotta get on that and start making videos but yeah and come to my
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website which is right down there in the corner at latimore.com and and pretty much my whole goal is to
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just take what i've learned the hard way and break it down so you guys can learn it the easy way i write
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about how to help you you know think better i got a bunch of articles on math and how to approach
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problems a lot of articles about training a lot of articles by right you're a big guy on chess too
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right like you're oh huge on chess i mean you didn't get a chance to talk about that because
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that's like a wicked problem solving game too right yeah very we're fine man i i invest a lot of money
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into my coaching and too as well so i i spend time improving but i just i enjoy the game and i think
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it's a great way to connect you don't need to speak the person's language so whenever i go to another
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country i can sit down and play play a game with a local they have a board around and yeah man i just
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i want to help i'm writing to make myself better and to organize my thoughts and it just so happens
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that i've lived a life where other people get quite a lot out of it as well i got a lot of writings on
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sobriety forgiveness boxing chess well nothing on chess you have a math physics the things that are
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important to me you know and and i think people can get a lot out of them certainly the numbers on
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the site show that people get a lot of it so yeah check it out so get on his email list right there
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uh you know you get it off his website ed thanks for joining me today guys hit the like button and
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leave a comment below um i've got uh pd mangan lined up next for another episode and i already recorded
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last or earlier this week an episode with a guy that's sailing the mediterranean he's on a passage
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right now so i had to do like a pre-recording but that'll be uploaded in the next week or two
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i try to like play one of these like once a week so stick around there's lots more cool