Playing to Win - 053 - Retired Heavyweight Boxer, Ed Latimore

00:00:00.000 all right guys what is up we're back for another installment of the plane of wind series uh

00:00:08.360 podcasting with ed latimore today a retired heavyweight boxer what's going on brother

00:00:13.220 it's a good time man just enjoying life and getting a chance to catch up with you again

00:00:17.880 yeah it's been a minute so we were uh we were chopping it up uh before we went live and um

00:00:23.560 just a heads up for you guys watching ed might be uh fielding a call which might require him

00:00:29.500 just to kill his camera and his audio uh during the podcast and here at my end we're in the middle

00:00:34.500 of a weird weather uh phenomenon here it's really warm in in toronto today it's it's it's like in the

00:00:40.240 40s or 50s as far as fahrenheit goes we've got heavy heavy winds so sometimes the power cuts so we'll

00:00:45.400 see we'll see how this rolls so let's uh let's hop into it um for those people that don't know who

00:00:50.320 you are because i mean if you if you search on youtube uh ed latimore heavyweight boxer there's

00:00:55.560 some fights there um can you tell people you know who you are and talk a little bit about like

00:01:01.140 your batman origin story because i mean you came from some like pretty dark places and i and i've

00:01:07.360 seen you on uh twitter and social media talking for years now about crackheads and all this sort of

00:01:12.440 stuff and um like i want people to get some frame around who you are kind of kind of on this like zero

00:01:17.740 to hero story yeah so i'm not just some random guy you brought on that on the show yeah yeah but uh

00:01:22.820 yeah so so i am most known for i guess these days kind of what i do on social media and the

00:01:30.080 writing and grow my blog and all that but in the life prior to that i was a heavyweight boxer and

00:01:38.680 boxing really shaped my life and and but just just all positives i mean it's a really painful

00:01:46.280 process and and a lot of people don't make it through certainly not as long as i did but i

00:01:51.980 used used boxing when my life was really not doing anything or going anywhere i i stepped in a ring at

00:01:57.260 a late age uh how old were you when you stepped in i was 22 when i stepped stepped in oh okay

00:02:03.340 so that was like your first fight or was that like your first time picking up the gloves and for

00:02:08.140 all everything my first fight um if i remember correctly was the amateur uh not amateur because

00:02:16.180 it's all amateur but did the novice class for the golden glove the state golden glove tournament

00:02:22.200 and they have three classes in amateur boxing novice sub novice and open novice is zero three fights

00:02:27.820 sub novice is four to eleven and anything or rather novice is four to eleven uh sub novice is zero to

00:02:37.480 three and then open classes is like eleven plus so i stepped in did that and it was like in january

00:02:43.500 and i remember or it was like february january but i remember thinking that my birthday might make a

00:02:48.020 difference in how i filled out my past book for usa boxing the the keepers of all things amateur boxing

00:02:54.740 so that is the the thing that that a lot of people got kind of like first got exposed to me as is me

00:03:02.500 talking about my fighting when i first got on social media and i was also in school

00:03:07.020 at the same time because there's this whole great big old you know arc that i'm sure will cover i

00:03:12.160 was like yo i'm not doing anything with my life let me get it together or i went back to school and

00:03:17.800 i enlisted in the military so a lot of people knew me and found out about you know my background and

00:03:23.120 things like that because i was just talking about you know what i'm doing and my insights from from

00:03:27.840 fighting from being in school for physics from being in the military all that and then prior to all of

00:03:33.760 that in my whole childhood the other part that's really contributed to my story and perspective

00:03:39.240 is is i am a i am a stereotype man like i grew up in in public housing mother owner of welfare

00:03:49.020 uh not like i knew who my dad was but my mom was definitely a single mom uh and in that environment

00:03:59.720 really learning how to survive another environment gave me a lot of you know to this day some good

00:04:06.620 habits some bad ones i had to work through but it's like like everything you know but but i wouldn't i

00:04:11.640 wouldn't trade that it's weird man i look back and it's miserable but i i don't think considering how i am

00:04:17.660 now in the way i think and see the world i i don't think i traded for anything so to sum all that up

00:04:23.620 i'm a kid from the projects who started boxing one day decided boxing wouldn't be enough and would

00:04:29.100 leave me eventually so i went back to school got a degree in physics and learned how to write and

00:04:33.240 communicate now that's how i make my living on social media and um like what appealed to you about

00:04:40.880 fighting did you did you get in a lot of like uh fights when you were a kid you're not gonna believe

00:04:45.820 this man i i am a like natural diplomat yeah you're very chill calm like you don't strike me as

00:04:53.820 somebody that would lose his cool everybody who comes through um not everybody oh well everyone

00:05:00.640 who well yeah everyone who grows up in that environment you typically learn to cope uh in a

00:05:07.180 few ways some guys you know turn them straight you know they they become like the environment they

00:05:12.220 try and raise to the top of that social hierarchy that never interested me because uh one that just

00:05:19.960 first i was an ugly kid man so i got made fun of a lot so i never wanted to be like like i never wanted

00:05:25.200 to be part of the end crowd yeah um and and the end crowd where i was at was not a desirable crowd to

00:05:30.840 begin with and and i just had some good sense about that and i had a mom that you know she she did

00:05:36.420 her best and really highlighted how ridiculous that life would be and and so my my natural

00:05:45.140 personality was went the other way i learned i was really actually reclusive as a kid man like i like

00:05:51.320 i was i'm naturally social and outgoing but i spent a lot of time playing video games um a lot of time

00:05:57.780 when i when i did you know you get into middle school uh and there's a sharp transition in my life

00:06:02.840 medical school to high school because i went to a high school completely different socioeconomic

00:06:07.240 background i had to it crossed out but but coming up man i learned how to just make friends

00:06:12.260 and laugh so i didn't i fought a lot as a kid out of necessity but i didn't pick pick fights what

00:06:17.480 appealed to me about boxing uh the real story period man i had already dropped out of college the first

00:06:24.180 time i tried to go man because the issues with drinking and my grades was trash whatever and i went on

00:06:29.740 this tirade about like how stupid college is and i still think college is stupid the difference is

00:06:35.160 like now i got a degree you can't say shit to me and then not just slouch one but i will go on this

00:06:40.500 tirade anybody would listen and one of the people that happened to listen to me a lot was the mother

00:06:44.680 of the girl i was dating at the time who happens to be a professor at the university at pittsburgh

00:06:49.740 so one day she said to me she goes all right let's pretend you're right let's pretend

00:06:53.720 uh college is a waste of time what have you done for the past four years besides like show up and

00:07:00.680 eat my food and i was like burn and then she threw me out right and i you know i cried a little man

00:07:06.800 tear but i thought about it i was like yeah i really i haven't done anything there's nothing really to

00:07:10.760 like like if i died tomorrow you know all people would know is like man he was a good drinker like

00:07:16.560 that that would be it so so i looked at options to improve and i knew going back to school was not an

00:07:22.120 option at that point for multiple reasons not just my my disdain for it but financially so i looked at

00:07:28.860 the military and i looked at at doing a sport and this was right back when they were you know

00:07:35.260 going into iraq like heavy and i said uh i'm gonna pass on that one for now and so i found a gym and

00:07:44.180 and just i had a mentality about it i said you know i'm gonna go in here and i'm not gonna quit

00:07:49.560 i'm gonna get injured or somebody who really knows the game is gonna be like dude this is

00:07:55.760 this ain't your thing like you gotta go do something else and i had a few early successes

00:08:00.900 and combined with the attitude i just stuck stuck stuck stuck and there was that and then it became

00:08:06.120 a point where i had so much time invested that it to give it up would have been foolish

00:08:10.800 got it um why did you hate school like what was it about oh man

00:08:17.340 do you know who uh suli breaks is huh suli breaks who's suli breaks he's this african guy that that

00:08:27.540 grew up in the uk and he's a spoken word artist he wrote this um uh you know poem essentially and

00:08:35.880 it's something along the lines of don't let school get in the way of your education you can find it if

00:08:39.460 you search for it on uh youtube it's got like tens of millions of views i can believe it my my greatest

00:08:45.760 issue for real man uh at that time is so i'm not even gonna focus on the external i'm gonna do i'm

00:08:52.920 gonna talk about the me right because i because there are flaws in the system but i don't think

00:08:58.920 it's productive to talk about those flaws because eventually i went through them uh but what kept me

00:09:05.780 initially from going through them is uh first for starters i was way less emotionally matured than i

00:09:12.920 thought i was like you know how well they say when you're 18 you think you know everything yeah i was

00:09:18.020 like that kid you get to another place and you don't know shit and and and it doesn't really like

00:09:23.580 it's not like anything one bad thing happens to let you realize or to make you realize how little you

00:09:28.920 know you can't or i couldn't survive i just couldn't keep myself on the schedule i got distracted

00:09:35.700 super easy man like you know like like most teenage dudes man i was like chasing the girls i got exposed

00:09:41.340 to the booze i was chasing the booze and the girls that's it that became my life to the point i was like

00:09:47.040 oh this is just a great party um why even focus on on the education and that was the other thing too

00:09:54.400 like i couldn't see how like my brain could make a connection between this environment and the real

00:10:00.320 world i i understood that really i didn't know how to verbalize it the way i just did but i could not

00:10:07.800 see how this was relevant to anything that would help me i just knew that's what people were telling me

00:10:13.520 i gotta do and everybody i looked at who had a life better than mine and then that was pretty much

00:10:20.340 everybody man we like we we came from i looked at some one time uh to be sure about it we were making

00:10:26.180 or my mom was making for a lot of times growing up man between like three and four thousand dollars a

00:10:31.680 year on public assistance because because the rent was subsidized so every so so middle class looked

00:10:37.160 like rich to me and all i knew was that everybody who got there they they had a degree to get their job

00:10:45.960 but it didn't seem like they needed the degree to do their job so i just figured okay uh i'll

00:10:52.280 eventually stumble into something and and i just felt like and then i was i was isolated because i

00:10:58.080 played football for the little school i was at and and uh i that i didn't realize how much i missed home

00:11:05.100 like how attached i was to my friends and all that so between between not having really the discipline

00:11:11.100 and focus to do school being emotionally estranged and then mentally i didn't have a lot of faith in

00:11:17.580 myself to do the to do the hard work either uh so so i think i wanted a bit of a sour grapes

00:11:25.580 syndrome with it and i was like ah you know this is terrible because i can't do it because because i'm

00:11:30.540 sure like if i was like some whiz kid i'd have a different uh perspective one or the very least i would

00:11:35.980 have finished it the first time and been like let's go and you know i did the and on top of that man

00:11:41.340 the the debt like it took me not i i'm finally like free of debt but i don't know how it works

00:11:48.780 up in canada down here like like i went the first time took out some money i still was on the hook for

00:11:54.860 that money like you can't discharge it so even when i went back the military you know covered me when i went

00:12:00.700 back and finished in my my uh late 20s early 30s but i was still on the hook for that first bit you

00:12:06.700 know and then that that left the sour taste in my mouth then it leaves the sour taste in my mouth now

00:12:12.060 because i mean part of me is like yeah i wasted it because i was up there not doing my thing but at

00:12:16.780 the same time and that that is expensive um you you've got your sobriety date in your social media

00:12:26.220 bio somewhere i think i saw it so um i know what that's like one way like one of my um old um

00:12:35.420 roommates was uh you know he was in a booze and crack and weed and all that stuff and you know you

00:12:40.700 you know you would have thought by the stories that he told that you know he would have been this like

00:12:43.740 you know skinny rail you know like a pinky finger sort of thing but he was like this fat he was like

00:12:48.540 half italian half french big ass bad hair dude like an afro practically it was just like everywhere

00:12:52.780 a total mess and and he used to uh used to talk about like his you know his days back in the day

00:12:58.460 where all the crazy stuff that he would would do to try to get his hands on stuff like crack or weed

00:13:03.900 or alcohol and he went sober and was like we used to poke fun at him right you know because back in

00:13:10.060 our times we'd be like you know buddy might be rolling a joint and be like hey hey come on buddy

00:13:13.420 you know you want some of this you know he would never budge right like he was always firm on it

00:13:18.060 which is good for him because because he said he would go to a dark place when he played with the

00:13:22.300 stuff um were you into crack was it was it crack was it booze like no so yeah man the um the crack

00:13:29.260 stuff is just jokes man that's that's you know how i cope with a lot of the stuff i've seen yeah

00:13:34.060 because you often say that crackheads are like the hardest working guys out there right for sure

00:13:38.540 you know explain that you know what i came from i i remember one day i can't remember where he was

00:13:44.140 going there's somewhere my mom though i know that because my mom is doing the city and and we we come

00:13:50.460 out we're walking to the bus stop and this this junkie comes like scattering across the court

00:13:56.700 uh from one end to the other just running working and my mom just looked at him and shook her head

00:14:01.260 and was like man that junkie man or she called crackhead like he went up for like four days man

00:14:07.260 just chasing a rock and that that always just stuck with me like like four days god damn and then on top

00:14:14.220 of the top of that i had seen like stuff that i probably should not have seen you know we used to

00:14:20.380 be babysat uh by some straight up like addicts man they was they was shooting up when we were around

00:14:26.460 and smoking when they'd be around in fact one of my earliest memories i thought uh i we were over at

00:14:33.340 the house being babysat where my mom was coming back from wherever she was coming back from and we i picked

00:14:38.860 up what i thought was a squirt gun and i squirted on the couch it wasn't till i was later that i that

00:14:44.220 i was like oh that was heroin and that's why it was such a big i was like why she's so angry about

00:14:49.900 this water like just the water's going to dry and i was like oh that's because it was it was the dope

00:14:54.940 and and it was heroin in a syringe yeah and and you know smokes man like why is this out around kids

00:15:01.340 first of all um and secondly you know you just you just get used to seeing that kind of stuff

00:15:06.780 and and so i learned to just joke about it yeah otherwise you get you know but what's the

00:15:12.060 old saying man you can laugh a little or cry a lot i chose the laugh route entirely and now it's just

00:15:17.420 become like a thing that's still funny to me because people because because now now it's funny because

00:15:22.940 so many people follow me and and a lot of times the way the social media algorithms work they won't

00:15:29.420 see all of my posts they'll see you know some self-improvement some motivation whatever and then

00:15:34.460 they'll see me talking about crack kids i'm like what is this guy oh like and that's why that's

00:15:39.020 funny to me yeah but as far as what my personal issues were i was that was the booze man and and

00:15:46.620 that was my thing and you know when you talk about doing whatever you can to get it it took me a while

00:15:53.500 to come to terms with that particular part because because for me it was just recognizing what got me

00:15:58.700 sober was recognizing okay this is really getting in it has gotten the way of every aspect of my life

00:16:05.100 and i was just on the precipice of some some really good things happening and i said let me put it down

00:16:10.860 let me see how far i can go and like like when i stopped drinking my intention was to only do it for

00:16:15.740 like two years i was coming and then after a year i was like wow man not only do i have a lot of like

00:16:20.860 like i've made it far and i've done a lot and i feel great but i got a lot of issues and one of the

00:16:27.180 issues i realized man yeah i had i have really started like structuring my whole life my friends

00:16:33.340 my social life even my my training at the gym i structured it around drinking wasn't until my

00:16:39.340 coach pointed out that i was showing up to the gym smelling like booze that i was like okay that's a

00:16:43.900 problem wasn't until people were like got around i was like he just came over for the holiday i had a

00:16:49.020 few friends say this and because i was doing it just going over for going they didn't invite me over

00:16:53.340 because because i never spent holidays with my family even when i was younger uh now because i

00:16:57.660 just i never wanted to be around them but i go i drink and then once the booze was up or i felt

00:17:04.780 like i wouldn't be able to drive whatever took off uh pretty much you know going out every night of

00:17:12.140 the week even knowing you know i overdraw my bank account to drink that's that's a bad sign so there

00:17:18.540 were a lot of bad things going on you drinking every day of the week like drunk um i wasn't well

00:17:24.860 yeah yeah you know what when i lived in and when i could afford it i did yeah especially because uh

00:17:31.260 part of the part of the uh the boxing arc is that for the last two years of my amateur career

00:17:38.540 i actually spent it out in los angeles under this uh this banner they were trying to build where they

00:17:44.300 were taking former division one athletes and turning them into uh boxers i was not a former

00:17:49.820 division one athlete by a long shot but i beat their god they had put a lot of money into it the

00:17:56.620 national bowling gloves he actually went on to represent us in the olympics and fought for the

00:18:01.260 world title twice dominic brazil so i so i beat him and they sent me out then i went and they brought

00:18:07.100 me out and i couldn't pass the opportunity i was broke as hell at home and they were they were talking

00:18:11.980 gonna pay me three grand a month train plus rent i said sold and they flew me out now i got out there

00:18:18.940 and i have a driver's license and i don't know if you've ever been in l.a you can't live in that city

00:18:24.060 and have a social life without a car i mean the public transport is just not designed plus it's

00:18:28.700 it's built out wide as opposed to dense you know it's like four times the area of new york one

00:18:34.540 a fourth in a population still a big city but it's it's you need need transportation so i spent a

00:18:40.940 lot of time alone and poor and and here's what's crazy back here in pa i live in one of two states

00:18:47.900 pa and utah whereas the the um the liquor is still controlled by the state so so you got to go to

00:18:55.100 state that we call them state stores growing up right chris rock made a joke i think it was chris

00:18:59.900 rocker dave chappelle man i don't want to be you know all black we look the same as shit but uh he made

00:19:04.860 a joke about you know you got to prepare yourself when you go to the projects you just look out the

00:19:07.980 window and see liquor store gun store gun store liquor store i didn't get that joke because i grew

00:19:12.140 up in pa when i first heard it when i got out to cali and i could go right over to the target across

00:19:18.380 the street and pick up a bottle of some jack or something i was like what this is crazy so that's

00:19:25.020 what i did every day after practice i go get a box of wine uh well i'd always have a box of wine on tap

00:19:30.460 but then i go get something to supplement it like sometimes it'd be a 40 sometimes be a case

00:19:36.140 sometimes it'd just be a bottle bottle of jack or bombay i was a big fan of bombay sapphire gin

00:19:42.220 love the dirty martini and so i got to a point man where i was drinking every day when i could afford

00:19:48.460 it when i couldn't afford it i just drank cheaper every day you know like like it got to the point

00:19:54.780 man i remember come on what you know everybody got those signs man i started waking up with beer on my

00:20:00.060 chest because i would fall asleep on my back with a can and i would have it that's when i would have a

00:20:04.780 rest i take a sip fall asleep have it sit down my chest and then you know you wake up and roll over

00:20:09.660 and i'm like oh this is crazy but um i had a job at a t-mobile in for a little while and one of the

00:20:18.460 things i used to do in the break i'd go over across the street to the bar and drink all before my shift

00:20:25.740 always i mean whenever whenever i could afford to drink yeah that's what it was about man and when there

00:20:31.180 was unlimited alcohol i got a house function that was the worst man you know i always find the the

00:20:38.780 topic of like drinking booze a fascinating one right it's like you know the way that you describe

00:20:43.100 it it sounds a lot like you were like an just like a bad drunk right like you couldn't stop like you

00:20:48.540 didn't have any self-control would that be accurate that's that's the best way to put it because because

00:20:53.420 i could oh man see see it's hard because i think about some i did i i i never had that like oh man

00:21:00.540 i gotta go drink like that never happened right but the minute the the pot was topped you know the

00:21:06.940 top was pop man it was uh it was it man you couldn't stop that that was me and i had the worst not the

00:21:12.940 worst personality but but i used to say dumb like uh you gotta get blackout drunk like once a week

00:21:19.260 makes your mindset is still on point because you know your drunk mind's gonna tell you the truth

00:21:23.660 which which now i think is when i hear people say that i'm like you understand that's putting you

00:21:27.500 under the influence it's like a poison in your brain i'm not saying i'm not anti-alcohol i'm anti-alcohol

00:21:33.340 for me right but i'm around you know people who drink all the time i got no issue with it especially

00:21:38.460 if you don't control you know enjoy your life but but i'm not that guy you know i can't i definitely

00:21:43.340 couldn't control it like what do you think is is or was different about you when you came across

00:21:51.180 alcohol versus um let's take somebody like um you know the tate brothers i'm sure that you're

00:21:55.900 familiar with them i was talking to tristan you know two four weeks ago or something like that

00:21:59.660 and one of the things we were chatting about you know you know towards the end i asked him like

00:22:02.700 how do you manage to stay in fighting shape and compete and like run the business and do everything

00:22:08.300 that you do because a lot of the times like you often see them on social media you know drinking

00:22:13.660 and um they're still competent right like they're still yeah able to perform like what like what

00:22:19.900 what distinguishes guys that have no self self-control versus the ones that are still able to produce and

00:22:26.380 slam back you know booze on a regular basis you know after meeting those guys in part you know i had

00:22:31.420 i had a theory and then i met him in person um and and i can tell you the biggest difference

00:22:39.820 they have their together right so

00:22:46.060 one would not even notice if they did have an issue right because everything's on point they got

00:22:52.220 the systems over and and that and they care so much i think for me i just just thinking about where

00:22:57.420 i was when i was drinking like that compared to how i feel now um and then we'll contrast both me's to

00:23:04.780 current tates right uh i i did not really feel like i didn't feel like anyone care like like i just felt

00:23:14.460 like i was a um just kind of a leaf in the wind and and i was you know fighting really living for me

00:23:20.460 one they're not really making much and not really doing much no kind of role model nothing like that

00:23:25.420 like like pretty much like like like if i if i vanished right i really used to feel that i still

00:23:31.740 kind of have that issue but these are the issues you got to confront and deal with

00:23:35.020 that if i banished no one would notice or care right i don't think those guys ego could ever be

00:23:42.380 that small to think that and i say that positively i don't mean that negatively i mean they have a

00:23:47.820 really healthy sense of of their importance so they can't they can go out slam hard and get back

00:23:54.220 up and go at it and on top of that man the fighters man like like because i drank like that

00:24:00.220 when i fought not as a pro but but at the higher end of my amateur career where i was fighting like

00:24:05.660 every other week um one crazy thing about fighters you see this a lot man we we no sane person gets

00:24:12.860 into fighting because there's no money and and it's just a miserable life i used to say in the next life

00:24:21.020 by my alpha career i'm gonna be a rock star because this shit sucks right uh because you don't really get

00:24:27.260 to party you don't really get to do anything if you want to be good but uh and that's when you're

00:24:32.300 training but when you're not crazy off the other end you go to the extreme the other end and that

00:24:37.900 that balance for a while until you can't separate it and i think the people that can do a good job

00:24:42.940 they they just they have a really strong life that allows they gives them purpose outside of it when i

00:24:50.940 was drinking that was one of my that was my purpose i was like i'm the dude who fights and parties

00:24:57.180 and drinks hard and that was really my identity and that was a hard thing for me to to was it was

00:25:03.660 yeah it was challenging for me to give up and then switch to the identity i have now where i get my

00:25:08.380 respect now i always say being light looks a lot like respect to people when i used to get neither

00:25:15.260 and that comes from my experience man because i thought everybody wanting to be around me was cool

00:25:21.340 and it was they wanted to be around me when i was drinking that's most of my time drinking i was the guy

00:25:25.340 to go party but when it came time to serious like i started to notice nobody was inviting me to like

00:25:30.540 serious family function right or somebody's real birthday where they wanted anything to be cool

00:25:35.580 these are close friends i've known for years and it wasn't until i got sober again that they told me

00:25:39.740 yeah that's one of the reasons why it's a big reason why not the only reason for real yeah well what's

00:25:46.620 the most that you ever got paid to fight because you mentioned that getting getting paid wasn't wasn't

00:25:51.580 really part of the reason why you fought and i've also heard that from the tates as well that they

00:25:55.020 didn't get paid that much you know for fights so and he fought for belts man which is yeah yeah yeah

00:26:00.780 i i know and it seems like there's a big spectrum like like 99 of fighters don't don't really get

00:26:05.260 paid well but then there's that like top like one or two or three guys in their space that just that

00:26:10.620 that just collect all of the money oh yeah you know who carl france is no he's um he was a middleweight

00:26:18.300 champ out of the uk smart god too a smart guy will go do this carl france like i think he wrote

00:26:24.540 he wrote a book or he wrote a series of articles either way uh where he talks about uh in his research

00:26:32.300 you take all the guys that fought and he said 97 of them will have to get another job within

00:26:42.780 a year of fighting there's just not them that much money and most of us i he didn't he didn't

00:26:48.780 write about this but most fighters i know until you get get somebody looking at you seriously and

00:26:55.180 there's and they have all the choice you know and that's not most fighters we all got jobs man i had

00:27:00.300 a job see i had a job for my first when i start working my first five fights i had a job

00:27:08.780 i didn't get signed to my six fight but but i didn't know what was going to but but i joined

00:27:12.700 the military and and i had uh my gi bill coming in and stuff like that but you don't make a lot of

00:27:18.380 money the most i got paid for my for my wonderful or terrible performance on showtime they paid me

00:27:25.180 uh we're way past that now so i gotta talk about it they paid me 8 500 8 500 yeah and and of that

00:27:33.900 8 500 25 has gone off ripped my manager and coach and then i gotta still pay uncle sam right right

00:27:41.740 right so i walked away in fact you know this is this is the cool part of the story and i think a lot of

00:27:46.940 people um missed this part but this was really the one of the most formidable times of my life

00:27:53.420 formidable and formidable when i lost that fight september 23rd 2016 is when i lost

00:27:59.260 lost by that too that was the trey lippie morrison the son of um yeah yeah yeah that's the one that

00:28:06.140 i saw yeah okay and you know what's crazy man we'll get to that loops around you went down twice

00:28:11.420 on that one pretty yeah man you know you want to hear something funny about that oh yeah when you

00:28:17.020 i don't know if you've ever been like hit that hard or knocked down or anything like that when you do

00:28:22.220 i i i didn't feel anything i thought i slipped i was like because because it was it was such a good

00:28:28.060 clean shot that he got me with over my jab uh i didn't see it coming which is the punch that does

00:28:32.860 the most damage and i thought i slipped i was like oh that's crazy man i slipped what the hell and i got

00:28:37.420 it again i was like i'm slipping again whoops uh but then i looked at it again i was like nah man you

00:28:41.900 got up that's right and then you know it took me a while i was like you know what you know what losing

00:28:47.740 a fight like that is like it's like it's like when you bring her with a girl yeah i um i could

00:28:51.980 not watch that thing for a while and i knew i couldn't train again so i could watch that was

00:28:57.020 that last fight or that was no i had one more fight after that that i fought to a draw okay uh but

00:29:04.060 uh when i when i looked at that fight you know i thought okay cool i got hurt now i'm i'm good i can

00:29:09.500 say i got knocked that i got stopped let's go train and get back after it but that that fight man um but

00:29:16.540 to put it in perspective though 8 500 25 gone then i gotta put some aside for taxes then i got my

00:29:22.940 bills and rent and any money i borrowed when i was running through you know training camp i i had a job

00:29:31.420 by november 1st because i remember what i was doing the month of november so i had a job by november

00:29:36.780 first man and i was delivering shit for amazon um let me tell you something that humbles you

00:29:42.860 like going up and then down it's one thing to be up always with the lights and the cameras and

00:29:48.780 everybody's screaming yeah it's one thing to go from next day you're dropping boxes off hey oh man it

00:29:53.740 was the worst because i worked two weeks in the factory in the sorting factory and then two weeks

00:29:59.100 delivering and i quit that job um one morning i was out doing the deliveries it was like 6 a.m thank goodness

00:30:07.500 and the car uh the the van shut down when i had it parked on a hill and then blew out and then

00:30:12.620 just rolled backwards down the hill into somebody's garage thank god nobody was out because it was a

00:30:18.460 residential area and i like that so everybody was safe no one got hurt it was a good time like like

00:30:25.420 about good i mean like not bad but here's what made me quit whenever it is whenever you're involved in

00:30:33.020 like a vehicular issue at a job where you drive as opposed to make sure you weren't drinking nothing

00:30:38.940 crazy like that they sent out another van not to make sure i mean they made sure it was all right

00:30:45.980 but i had to put all the packages in the next van and we finished up that route they was concerned

00:30:50.540 about that profit now i don't want to bad mouth amazon because this was not uh amazon this was a company

00:30:56.220 amazon subtracted that eventually went to or subcontracted eventually i won out that went

00:31:01.420 bankrupt and everything but i said i'm gonna figure this out man like this is not this can't be my

00:31:08.540 future like i'm and but now by that point i had more a lot more options because i had like i had like

00:31:14.460 a hundred credits left in my degree or done in my degree and like had a bunch of experience in army now

00:31:20.380 and i tried to get some jobs but nobody would hire me um for the amount of time that i could work

00:31:26.060 because i wanted to finish out my schooling and pay me enough and it was because of that that i ended

00:31:31.420 up tutoring which which changed my life uh because because that was a real it's a real humbling thing

00:31:37.420 man i got a chance to like connect and work with kids and watch them go from being like really bad at

00:31:43.100 math which i was coming up to getting them sharp um i'm always curious about people's childhood and

00:31:51.420 you were talking about being raised primarily by a single mom you said that you knew your dad like

00:31:55.740 did he did you get to see him that often or was it like almost always your mom oh man so i think about

00:32:00.700 this a lot um and and my dad probably so my dad actually lived in philadelphia so i'm not only

00:32:09.900 that i'm gonna did my and this is this is you know the people who don't uh know this reference i'm gonna

00:32:14.940 clarify everyone thanks to from philadelphia honestly enough right even we hop on a call today

00:32:20.700 and rich was like hey man philly like pittsburgh but one of my best friends uh cam cam awesome

00:32:26.940 another boxer i was like looking at his phone one day uh or not his phone his computer his mac and i

00:32:31.900 guess max link up with our phones whatever and i said oh who's at philly that's you man you don't

00:32:35.980 recognize your number like i'm not from philly he's one of my best friends man like been to my crib

00:32:40.220 and i'm at so so um how did i get oh yeah yeah well my father so i'm some i'm real familiar with

00:32:46.460 philadelphia and and i'm on my girls um my girl's sister lives over there so we go a lot but he lived

00:32:54.300 in philadelphia and and he would come on drive he'd come and see us

00:32:59.580 two times a year maybe three for about never stayed for more than a week and he never stayed with us

00:33:15.500 when he came he it was it always felt like he was coming to visit friends he had in the area and

00:33:22.460 his kids were also here and he'd see them so like i don't have memories of my father as a disciplinarian

00:33:29.340 or a guided source at all i i have like like i know he was around and he took us places because

00:33:36.140 that's what dads do but like in turn but but but a constant force around somebody my the teachers

00:33:44.700 would talk to somebody i had a problem and i go to nah he wasn't that character so right so how did

00:33:50.940 that shape you growing up because i mean like the the the thing that i notice that happens more

00:33:55.900 often than not at least when guys are coming to me and i mean i often deal with some guys that are

00:33:59.980 like weapons right now like they make seven eight figures they run multiple businesses and then

00:34:04.140 they're like yeah but my childhood was you know i didn't see my dad or my dad was hit by lightning

00:34:07.740 when i was young or i was raised by a single mom sort of thing like that and they managed to figure

00:34:13.340 it out at some point but for the most part these guys tend to end up being like nice guys

00:34:19.660 you know they're mostly beta you know they're uh you know they do the whole you know be a shoulder

00:34:25.660 to cry on you know they try to friend zone their way into a girl's heart sort of thing is that stuff

00:34:31.180 that you experienced yourself or was that something you know that you had to reconcile to overcome

00:34:37.020 so i don't i don't remember who who said it i know it was somebody with a voice either in like

00:34:44.460 manos for a version now or or before or somewhere but somebody says something to the effect of

00:34:52.380 when you if you grow up and you see women at their worst it becomes very difficult for you to

00:34:57.420 pedestalize them and and and be that guy and i don't i i don't know what the experience of these other

00:35:06.700 guys were how nice and loving and con them mothers were i i suspect they were good solid people because

00:35:14.780 my mom was not that person i remind me i got a lot i really value my mom uh i think you know

00:35:25.580 i'm gonna miss her when she's gone but we have a good dialogue now but that is because when i was

00:35:35.020 from 18 to 23 i didn't talk to her and and i finally discovered forgiveness and that plays a really big

00:35:41.980 will in my life because forgiveness made everyone's life better not just for my mom to be able to talk

00:35:48.620 to her child but for me to to not carry that poison a place that i blame on somebody else from my

00:35:54.300 adulthood when i was 11 this was the formative moment there were tons of moments beforehand but

00:35:59.660 this was the formative moment i watched my mom get arrested and she didn't have to get arrested she got

00:36:04.940 super drunk uh is you not as usual but but it was a fairly regular occurrence and she got into a fight

00:36:12.220 with this woman and she went out in the street and fought her i remember holding her back from the door

00:36:17.340 trying to hold her back my mom's a big big woman man like and and i'm 11 years old swimming work so

00:36:23.020 she went up there five got arrested got booked for the night uh so went to jail me my sister you know

00:36:28.700 living by and stayed by so our mom's dealing with this because my dad's in philly he don't know

00:36:32.540 shit about this uh and and at that point i was like i'm gonna have to figure i might have to figure

00:36:39.020 this thing out by myself and and it was it became very hard for me after that point to look at to look

00:36:47.020 at girls or something better than me you know so so i i never walked around with with those nice guy

00:36:54.060 tendencies i think like i know what you're talking about i see him i never had them because that

00:36:59.180 she never served me um growing up it it definitely didn't serve me none of that i served me but the

00:37:05.820 one influence in my life the main female influence in my life uh i i developed a a weird kind of disdain for

00:37:13.740 for a while and you know where that manifesto because because we no one makes out of childhood

00:37:18.780 unscathed man we all come out with our issues i went the other way and and that has its sewer

00:37:27.020 problems it's funny me and my fiancee joke about this all the time that i was like a straight dog

00:37:33.580 like like you know you bring a straight dog in and the old owners used to beat it and and

00:37:37.900 feed it and every time you try and be nice and pet the dog the dog snarls at you

00:37:43.820 i was kind of like that now i'm way more domesticate and that's a good thing because

00:37:47.900 she's a very good woman and very patient uh in in me figuring out a lot of a lot of things but

00:37:56.380 but that other end is not you know that's the problem i would imagine i and i don't know if you

00:38:02.540 see this because i've never coached guys uh in this regard but i've always felt like when you grow up

00:38:08.780 being real nice and you finally get your backbone it's more easy to go the other way

00:38:15.020 okay so my issue i'm i i'm naturally still because i kind of like to be violent and i recognize the

00:38:23.740 power of that violence so i i will always avoid violence and plus i try to think about the overall

00:38:29.500 how the dynamic if if we we pop off into a conflict and it ain't even got to be physical

00:38:35.660 like even on the internet you see how i am with people and and the guys we've worked with some of

00:38:39.180 the uh the spaces we've intersected i wouldn't say i'm on the best terms but i'm i don't think i'm on

00:38:44.460 bad terms than anybody because i recognize there's there's a price to pay for that but in that has not

00:38:51.580 always been the case and i've had to really work to temper that to be a to be even you know wherever

00:38:57.180 you come from you gotta you gotta balance it out my issue was being very self-centered and not thinking

00:39:03.820 about the things going on around me because if if i thought about things going on around me very often

00:39:10.140 at least until i got to high school uh you get take advantage taken advantage of or manipulated

00:39:17.180 and so i developed a way to live out different than that to this day emotional but now she's figured

00:39:24.060 out how to do it because she's smart she's a good woman but to this day uh i am i'm like hypersensitive

00:39:31.180 to anything that that smells of emotional manipulation and and probably react disproportionately

00:39:40.060 uh to it than i need to but that that's uh that that's that's where that that you know kind of comes

00:39:46.060 from and or rather how i responded to not having um father because because of my mom my mom's influence

00:39:52.300 was she was a parent sure but like there's a lot of things that that she got got very wrong i think

00:39:58.620 but the part of being an adult is you don't blame that shit yeah like like how sad would it be if i

00:40:04.060 be sitting here you know in prison or something and i'm blaming blaming what happened to me 18 20 years

00:40:09.740 ago i don't want to downplay the role of your your you being you know how you were raised but at some

00:40:15.340 point being an adult by definition you've got to take responsibility and i think i've done that

00:40:19.580 you know what speaking of responsibility i mean like we live in a world today where that seems

00:40:24.140 to be there's a lot there's like a lack of accountability and there's a lack of responsibility

00:40:27.980 with a lot of people and it's not just you know certain demographics it's men women it's everything

00:40:31.820 like i see it everywhere right and it's one of the things that i would point to like if somebody said

00:40:37.500 to me like you know why do you think things are so upside down today that part of it is there's a

00:40:41.420 total lack of accountability and responsibility with a lot of people um what's your opinion on that man

00:40:47.900 thomas saw has this great quote where he goes the first rule economics is scarcity there's not enough

00:40:55.020 uh to go around for everyone the the first rule of politics is to make people forget the first rule

00:41:00.380 economics and we we live in this incredibly abundant time period like like sometimes i like to sit back

00:41:10.860 and then like i feel in awe like i feel kind of weird because i look and i go i feel like i was plucked

00:41:15.660 from like the 1900s and i'm looking at metal tubes zooming through the air with people and global

00:41:23.500 synchronous communication and this little device and the fact that we're having this conversation

00:41:27.820 like we're room in the room right and the medicine that's around like like we live in the future i mean

00:41:33.100 for all intents and purposes we've conquered the physical world i mean yeah vulcan virus can take us out

00:41:38.460 something we're we're very close to beating asteroids if they not if they come to the planet and and

00:41:44.300 despite what they tell you it's not really enough nuclear material on the planet to do something

00:41:49.180 crazy the way it is used i mean you can still do some damage but it won't wipe out society why do i say

00:41:54.460 all this it's so easy it's so easy to survive that that we don't have anything to push against and i really

00:42:04.700 think a person is developed by pushing against hardship and it teaches you scarcity it teaches you decision

00:42:11.580 making it teaches you priority and you have you never had to prioritize because everything is at

00:42:16.700 your feet fingertips and your life is not hard when you do face little hardship you'll break down so

00:42:23.820 you try to avoid that dr jonathan height writes about this i think the book is called coddling of the

00:42:29.340 american mind or something to that effect where he talks about uh how the like three main markers

00:42:36.140 for development are being pushed or have been pushed further and further out and the three he he uh

00:42:43.500 focused on in the lecture i watched is he goes the average age of a kid getting a driver's license now

00:42:50.060 is 18 it used to be 16 they used to be like the thing the uh average age of their first alcoholic drink he

00:42:58.780 wasn't you know supporting our our um cast of guys in it either way he was just saying though the average

00:43:07.100 age has gone up kids are not drinking in high school and the average age of the first like date is like

00:43:16.540 like 19 if they ever had one right and and his point with bringing that up was that these are these are

00:43:23.100 risky situations you have to go to kind of by definition where there's a positive or a negative outcome you're

00:43:27.900 not really quite sure but you have to navigate it and we don't take risk anymore because you know

00:43:34.300 things have been mitigated you don't have to i think about how i met my best friends in high school

00:43:38.220 we were talking about who was better at marvel versus capcom the old video game so we went to the

00:43:42.700 arcade and settled it and that was back when arcade was a social event you had to get together with

00:43:46.300 rules you had to follow if you got beat on you had to like deal with being taunted and still come back

00:43:50.860 and earn your respect like like it wasn't fighting but it was an environment that wasn't

00:43:56.140 safe in the sense of like you're going to walk away feeling good all right same with girls we

00:44:01.420 used to have to go walk and talk to girls ask out ask them out get their number be rejected or

00:44:06.300 accepted and they had to navigate that too now it's just swipe or slot in the dms okay this whole thing

00:44:13.180 the why why there's no accountability is because there's no exposure to negative so by the time we

00:44:19.260 get to the point where you have to be in control of something you go no i just want it all and you never had

00:44:25.420 to encounter not having it all not getting what you want and i don't mean not getting what you want

00:44:30.460 like like everyone is is uh is pay laid and ripped right i mean not getting which one isn't you never

00:44:37.100 had to experience the pain of not succeeding because there was always a distraction even now i think one

00:44:43.180 of the worst things about porn is is a god doesn't doesn't get that feeling that a real legit blue ball is

00:44:49.660 like yo i gotta figure this out i gotta get better i gotta get ripped no i'll just disappear i'll just

00:44:55.020 disappear into the digital world what is what is tons of variety there's nothing to force people

00:45:00.460 to interact with the real world and the rest to come with that and learn how to manage them

00:45:03.900 so when they do they don't want to take the when you're accountable yeah you you get the spoils

00:45:10.140 right but you also take the l's when you avoid accountability because the the level of not taking

00:45:17.020 the spoils of not being rewarded is so hot now right it's so comfortable that yeah you can deal with being a

00:45:23.260 being a regular ass dude right you don't have to trust you don't have you never have to risk the

00:45:27.660 downside but you never go up but but because your downside or the thing you don't get is so still so

00:45:33.100 good you think you can get it all and there's no accountability for what you say what you do

00:45:39.500 so it's all like the you know soft times create soft people and hard very very much so man like like

00:45:45.420 people give that some people get at me a lot of shit and and and i have a per a slight criticism of it i

00:45:52.620 don't disagree with the meme entirely at all uh i just i think that was made in a time of of not

00:45:59.660 the level of technology we have in other words i i don't think in the sense of like whenever they

00:46:04.380 portray the hard times it's like the greatest generation you know level hard times and i don't

00:46:09.260 think those are coming you know i just at least what's what's what's albert on stand say i don't know

00:46:16.140 what weapons world war three is going to be fought with but world war four we fought with sticks and

00:46:19.820 stones kind of deal like if we ever we ever get to that point it's it's going to be way bad so i

00:46:26.140 don't think that the hard times per se are coming because even the hard times are comfortable when

00:46:31.340 people talk about uh i'm not i'm not super familiar with the political situation in canada

00:46:37.420 but when people talk about any type of revolt or civil war down here or or or mass rejection of

00:46:43.820 mandates or whatever i always remind them that the thing you need for revolution is extreme discomfort

00:46:51.980 amongst the masses you look at every revolution in history successful or not it started because

00:46:57.980 people were doing shit like eating rotten food or watching or not being able or down because of cold

00:47:05.260 in the winter it wasn't because we could sit and watch fucking tiger king season one and two and we

00:47:11.500 got cooped up in the house now because then there's sports you saw it we all saw it right last uh

00:47:18.220 what was it it was the summer of 2020 we almost we were this close because they they took the sports

00:47:24.780 and they took the donnie they took all the fun and so people were like there's nothing to do but get

00:47:29.980 mad about shit and they started getting mad about stuff that's when you get a change that's when they

00:47:35.340 started pumping out the vaccines now they're like oh now we can force this on these people because now

00:47:39.580 they want more freedom so we'll give you back the sporting events we'll give you the nightclubs we'll

00:47:43.180 give you the restaurants if you get if you put this in you it's it's it's nuts that's how they

00:47:48.060 coerce them all anyway that's uh that's a topic that we don't talk about yeah that's a different

00:47:52.540 you know oh that's right yeah you gotta gotta gotta deal with that we gotta be careful about certain

00:47:56.620 things we're gonna dance around um you were talking about porn earlier and i saw somewhere on

00:48:00.940 your social feed that you've got a course on on quitting porn i always find that's like

00:48:05.980 fascinating as hell because because people ask me often and i do these call-in shows and people

00:48:10.540 call in and ask about nofap and all this it's like i don't get it right because it's like i've always

00:48:16.780 had access to porn like even as a kid like i remember i don't know maybe like as young as 12

00:48:22.780 or 13 at a friend's house it's like you know billy's like hey check this out i found this like

00:48:27.420 magazine called playboy my dad's bedroom sort of thing he's got a stack of them and you're like

00:48:31.020 oh cool let's go look at it it's like i just i just never you know got to a point where i was like

00:48:35.740 you know i was like addicted to it like i had to look at it all the time whether it was online or

00:48:39.260 magazines or anything like that it's like you know and the older you get and you know if you're you

00:48:43.980 know if you're good with game and you you know you're intimate with women you don't even think

00:48:47.100 about porn right so i always find it fascinating when guys get like so obsessed with it and they have

00:48:51.740 like no fat months and no this month and like why you know like why do you why do you let this own you

00:48:58.700 you got to remember something man look and and first let me preface this well what i always say

00:49:06.460 that you know you're responsible it's all personal responsibility at the end of the day

00:49:12.380 you make decisions you live and die by the i am you'll never move me off that peg

00:49:19.660 what you've been able to do or what what society's been able to do as i continue to learn things is

00:49:24.540 build things around that peg okay so so why why the um the the porn thing is such a big deal now

00:49:31.980 compared to when you and i were with your kids and then i know you're a little older than me or older

00:49:36.220 me i don't know about how much but um let's just say a little older it makes me look a little bit better

00:49:42.220 but uh we we didn't have what they have today which is one the sheer amount okay and then the delivery

00:49:54.140 system everyone has got one of these artist computer and it's high speed high def it's ubiquitous and it's

00:50:02.780 free so and then it's discreet so we we got we get no cost we got easy administration system

00:50:12.700 we got variety variety is key and i'll cover that next and we have privacy of views all right

00:50:20.220 now that that that third point that uh variety you familiar with the coolidge effect you ever heard

00:50:26.060 of this yeah yeah okay right that's a big deal because you know even even if you explain the

00:50:32.380 coolidge effect to those that don't understand it okay so the coolidge effect is this idea that

00:50:38.060 in in in the uh come from a uh president that came from president coolidge he was there's a story

00:50:43.980 with like the chickens in the way yeah yeah still he was like taking a tour of the farm and and they

00:50:49.900 were explaining how they they they get the roosters to get to bang the hens and it was like oh we just

00:50:57.180 switch out a new hen and the rooster goes crazy every time he'll do that until he dies if you just keep

00:51:02.860 giving them new right and that's how that's how we're programmed no no man you got to tell the rest

00:51:08.300 of the story because there's a joke um uh i i man i got is it has something to do with his wife where

00:51:16.540 he the wife makes a condescending comment to cool you know she's like hey you know why can't you do

00:51:21.820 that right and he's like well it's probably because you know the roosters get in variety yeah there you go

00:51:27.500 that that's what it is all right so so that's like a real you know think about it man like what

00:51:31.980 what do they say man that nut likes some new pussy right that's like the thing it ain't you know it

00:51:36.860 didn't even got to be bq it's just new and different than that variety is is a driving force take that

00:51:42.300 idea right now we pair it with the other idea which your brain is really bad at telling the difference

00:51:48.300 between reality and imagination this is why scary movies scary right you know any

00:51:55.260 shit gonna happen to you but but it you know it feels like it because they've set the scene

00:52:01.260 and those don't even play on the same parts of the brain that like an arousing woman would or busting

00:52:08.300 a nut would man so you put those two things together and you get you have the illusion of variety like

00:52:15.580 like you have um there was an old you remember the old crack.com website they had a post about this

00:52:21.820 you're talking about crack magazine yeah cracked magazine yeah yeah okay and they they had a post

00:52:26.380 about this that talked about how the the world of internet pornography is effective is the closest

00:52:32.940 example we have to what a post scarcity economy looks like and that there is no shortage there is

00:52:40.620 infinite variety i mean it's not really infinite variety but like uh the the pornhub put these stats out

00:52:46.540 themselves in 2012 the the comparison they made that's how funny they think they are this is the

00:52:52.460 comparison they made they said if you started watching porn when the civil war started if you

00:52:57.900 started watching the porn that we have on our site you would not be finished at this moment in 2000

00:53:03.900 when they put the stats out 2012 and then somehow that's all you did so there's and there's tons

00:53:10.700 uploaded every day there's you never get you'll never get bored it's very easy now that you have all

00:53:15.980 those factors in play it's very easy to fall into that and and it's much easier and rewarding if you

00:53:23.340 don't know better than a real woman will be so if you get hooked on this stuff now at like 12 13 maybe

00:53:31.100 even earlier you don't even know what it's like because you never take the risk because why would you

00:53:36.620 it's it's it's a really insidious setup they have yeah i'm i'm just like don't you know just don't do

00:53:46.300 it right like you know you ever see the matrix you know and the one i don't know maybe i don't maybe

00:53:50.940 i'm immune whatever but you've got a course on it so go to ed's website you know he'll sell you a course

00:53:56.460 on how to unplug and i've actually got something better than better than selling a course it's a free god

00:54:01.740 now just go check it out man and and hopefully you know you you get something out of it if corn is

00:54:07.420 is your poison cool cool um talk about video games because you played a lot of video games

00:54:12.620 when you're younger do you still play video games like what you don't man in fact let me tell you

00:54:16.700 something when i when i first because i was living in portugal for a while when i first moved where i

00:54:20.700 live now uh i went i i was like oh you know what i'm gonna buy me a ps4 for the final fantasy 7 remake

00:54:29.260 they made so i was like that was like the second that i bought my tv then i i went and got my my ps4

00:54:36.700 and i said i think i do some work i'm gonna open this up later delayed gratification okay and uh like

00:54:44.140 three months later i was like yo did i buy a ps4 like i forgot i bought it and it was so long i couldn't

00:54:50.780 return it so i i sold it to somebody on facebook my point of that whole story was that i i

00:54:59.100 loved video games i love the final fantasy series it's it's what what really made me want to really

00:55:04.540 get into fiction and and read fiction because when you play these games it was largely text-based

00:55:11.340 but at at 36 years old i i just couldn't imagine having the time how someone has the time like i'll

00:55:19.020 never talk shit on the gaming community because i think games are a great outlet for a lot of people

00:55:26.700 that are lost but if you if that's all you're doing in your life is not progressing and i think

00:55:32.380 about like what i would have had to be doing to have you know three four hours a day because that's

00:55:39.100 what you really got to do now you can't just it's not like the video games we've grown up you know you

00:55:43.340 can beat the game in two hours nah man this shit is laser it's and it's by design and keep you hope

00:55:48.860 keep you in there so you got to put in two three hours minimum per session nah i don't i don't have

00:55:53.900 that kind of time anymore man and i haven't for a long time i remember the very last video game

00:55:58.540 i seriously played it was something called persona it was on ps2 and i got it because when i was 22 i

00:56:05.020 got pneumonia and i needed something to do because i couldn't go anywhere and i didn't even have the

00:56:09.420 energy to stay awake and play it my cousin ended up being it before i sold it gotcha gotcha um

00:56:17.020 um what about um stuff with uh combat sports i want to ask you this i mean do you recommend to

00:56:24.940 guys today and i mean i've got a chapter in my book about it and you know my stance for those of you

00:56:30.380 that are you know confused is is get into combat sports i mean i wish that i had done it earlier in

00:56:35.580 my life because it got to the point where it's like you know i realized shit man you know i'm strong

00:56:40.540 like like like i can bench three plates like i can do this with my legs like i'm like i'm strong and

00:56:45.740 then i realized one day like what would happen if i had to fight and i'm like i don't really know

00:56:49.820 how to fight i never had to fight like i never got into fights when i was younger because i was always

00:56:54.540 like big and ripped and i'm a tall guy so people don't like naturally just never really mess with

00:56:58.620 me and i thought to myself like what would happen if i got in a fight i'd be like i'd get fucked up

00:57:02.780 so you know that's when i i was like you know what i want to go do something different than throw

00:57:06.940 around iron all the time you know like i still live but sign up for krav maga then i switched over

00:57:11.660 to boxing i really like boxing now so i've been doing that for like last year and a half

00:57:14.940 um it's it's a lot more interesting than i thought it would have been and i moved over to

00:57:21.580 it because i was asking the instructor one day i'm like what would you do if you got in a fight

00:57:25.740 and it came down to needing to you know deal with your opponent he's like well you have to know how

00:57:31.660 to strike so i said well what's the best thing to do then he says boxing i'm like all right so

00:57:36.060 i'm gonna start doing that then so i want to get your opinion on this like as far as combat sports

00:57:40.540 goes would you recommend to men today that that that's something useful is it not useful i mean

00:57:45.660 like you're a professional fighter so i'm curious about what that means to you man look

00:57:51.980 i think everybody should i think it should be mandatory like you do amateur boxing in high

00:57:59.980 school where they make you instead of pe you got to sign up for amateur boxing

00:58:04.060 because the training for boxing uh is you are now know just from a from a uh we'll just call it a

00:58:11.740 fitness standpoint not even competitive it's it's some pretty high level shit it's it's very high

00:58:16.460 level stuff like the cardio conditioning's pretty intense like it's very like you would you would

00:58:21.340 eliminate the obesity epidemic yeah in in under a decade if you made boxing mandatory okay

00:58:29.900 but but to counter the practical argument that often comes up and when i i make the people all

00:58:36.060 time i tell them you don't we don't want to learn boxing for the street because motherfuckers carry

00:58:40.380 knives and guns or pick up brakes right that's not why you're learning it you're learning it because

00:58:46.060 you need to deal with legitimate discomfort because there is nothing comfortable about boxing there's

00:58:52.700 nothing comfortable about the the punching getting hit the training you got to learn how to deal with

00:58:58.060 that and then still persevere in their face something and this is something you can't get

00:59:01.980 anywhere else you can't get it in your video games uh you can't get it even socially because even though

00:59:09.260 there's some discomfort in being social the other person can kind of like let you down easy right

00:59:16.620 but when there's a competition and there's points on the line or there's a victory and the only way to

00:59:22.300 win this is what boxing is why i talk about boxing and i elevated above like grappling is the only way

00:59:28.860 out of a boxing match is pain right ain't no there's no tapping him there's no getting choked out you

00:59:34.940 either get get the beat out of you and you hope you hit the other guy more and and you get more points

00:59:40.380 because that's how points are scored hitting the guy or you knock him out which is just hitting him hard

00:59:45.260 up to where it goes but either way the only way through a fight is to fight all right and by doing

00:59:51.900 that you learn you learn about well first you learn how to to work through pain i think that's something

00:59:58.860 no one can do or very few people do today you learn about staying focused when you're exhausted

01:00:05.900 that that your your what your body's telling you is not what you have to abide by you know if it like

01:00:11.980 like i know i'm tired don't like there ain't never a spar fight why i ain't ever been tired right

01:00:18.860 what's that got to do with the fight this guy's the one knock me out that's a very different mindset

01:00:24.140 and you carry that in everything you do and fighting teaches that to you uh viscerally you don't it's not

01:00:31.900 a theory anymore when i talk i put out three recommendations for self-improvement a while back i said

01:00:39.020 learn how to live on sales on commission learn another language to like be one level of proficiency

01:00:45.420 and a lot of fight like take like training us for a fight for for in a fighting a combat sport not

01:00:52.140 grappling but a combat sport for a minimum of one year because you can't bs any of that either you can

01:00:59.020 do it or you can you get real world stress back but fighting in particular is i i wish more people did it

01:01:06.380 but so few people fight i remember when i started fighting people were like what are you doing

01:01:12.540 you are you worried about getting hurt and i'm like no like i'd rather it was weird

01:01:18.620 they're not worried about getting hurt i just accepted that as the cost of doing business

01:01:23.020 which is life part of life is going to get hurt i mean i think fighting is like overall the best

01:01:28.140 analogy for living yeah i'm gonna get hurt like what you worry about brain damage me and you're gonna

01:01:33.420 die the difference is when i'm on my deathbed i'm gonna have cool stories for being a badass you

01:01:38.540 you're gonna you know be happy you got to retire you're a coward i'll say it yeah you know i always

01:01:46.060 hated that when guys would say aren't you worried about brain damage or fighting guys will message me

01:01:50.460 and go i want to fight but i'm worried about brain damage well you know don't do go do something else

01:01:55.020 because there's no guarantee man guys guys have guys have died fighting even even as recently as

01:02:00.700 last year uh it was so if you're worried about getting hurt you got to go do something else but

01:02:05.020 i can tell you this if you're worried about getting hurt life is going to be a lot less

01:02:08.780 interesting for you yeah um here let me grab a couple of these super chats that are starting to

01:02:14.780 pile up before i forget about them we got did you know maddie said stem cpa trades entrepreneurs

01:02:19.180 the way forward that's my preferred uh path obviously uh would you want your girl to be an entrepreneur rich

01:02:25.340 um listen you know my uh kid um you know sees me as a guy that's never had a boss you know as long as

01:02:32.780 she's known me and her mom um you know is a professional right you know she's a lawyer so

01:02:37.500 she gets exposure to both so whatever she chooses to do when she's an adult work you know let's let's

01:02:42.140 see where it goes uh cheers guys playing the wind please talk crypto um what are your thoughts on

01:02:46.860 crypto since that came up oh man what are my thoughts on crypto so so i got tired of being ignorant

01:02:51.340 and when did you okay so when did you stop being ignorant because for me that was around 2017.

01:02:56.540 i stopped being ignorant about around what are we in 2021 one so so probably this summer you know

01:03:03.820 okay so you're pretty new then i'm i'm super new and i started learning i didn't want to just learn

01:03:08.700 about like i wonder why this thing exists what what the hell is decentralized finance yeah what problem

01:03:14.460 it solves kind of looking at all the ways it can be applied and and i think

01:03:21.740 so we we may or may not disagree but here's what i think i think that the security applications

01:03:29.340 of decentralized finance pretty much the whole concept of a blockchain uh i think that is going

01:03:35.100 to revolutionize the the the electronic world like no other i i just i think that level of of

01:03:45.340 transparency what was the like big aha moment for you where you're like you know i i just can't ignore

01:03:50.220 this anymore this is like a frying pan to the forehead moment um you you know what man there's

01:03:55.500 there's a there's a guy i follow you might be familiar with him or chris johnson he's a he's real

01:04:00.940 big into stocks and he started talking about crypto and i got to meet up with him out in las vegas and we

01:04:08.140 were just chopping up and he was talking about it i said you know this is a guy who i've trust and worked

01:04:13.340 with let me at least learn on top of that i have i have whenever i have an opinion about something

01:04:21.580 i try to make sure that opinion is based in fact like we may not agree but i would like to at least

01:04:26.540 be able to argue and know how to be convinced like you ever you ever like argue with somebody just

01:04:31.900 just dumb about the topic like you can't even come no i don't argue with people like that

01:04:36.060 i just recognize this guy's dumb about the topic i'm not even having the conversation well on the

01:04:42.860 i know what you mean though yeah yeah yeah you you can't even convince them because they don't know

01:04:47.100 enough to be to actually be wrong right they're just off so i wanted to know at least enough to be

01:04:54.140 wrong and and i think i think defy is is going to i don't know i don't know how because because the

01:05:01.100 the the the challenge defy crypto has and i see them mounting and fighting the fight is is they have

01:05:06.940 to deal with with big government and big government is going to make it very difficult if not prohibitively

01:05:18.060 or prohibitively difficult for them to take a real position in our financial market to be taken seriously

01:05:25.260 that's the other challenge uh and this is kind of speculative but because i'm in the tech

01:05:30.540 i see this i am not convinced that crypto wallets are going to remain on crackable and that will

01:05:36.540 that will put it because quantum computing is is here chinese have it we have it uh and

01:05:45.340 and right now right it's for you know kind of special uses and on the cloud for people

01:05:49.820 but but it won't be too long probably in our lifetime where someone's going to to crack a crypto wallet

01:05:55.340 straight up and and that will put a ding in one of the main selling points of of cryptocurrency

01:06:02.460 yeah but i think they're gonna probably pivot and adapt to that because they're gonna know that that

01:06:06.940 like the computing power is so powerful that they can crack um you know um wallet ids or keys or whatever

01:06:13.420 but i mean like the thing you gotta remember is if you're not connected to the blockchain then they

01:06:16.620 can't access it so there's so there's that so there's one yeah someone you know what the second

01:06:20.620 thing is yeah and then the second thing is they're of course going to upgrade the security of you know

01:06:26.220 the blockchain and your uh wallets because if quantum you know computing is able to crack into them then

01:06:31.180 maybe then instead of having like a whatever it is 26 keyword phrase it's a 52 or 117 or something

01:06:36.780 like that and it just makes quantum you know computing like obsolete from that perspective the other

01:06:41.820 thing too with defy though is the government can't stop defy right because it's it's it's

01:06:47.580 decentralized so the only way that they can stop it is if they turn off the internet basically if they

01:06:52.220 if there's an emp strike and electricity is rendered you know null and void but because

01:06:57.820 by by its structure because it's decentralized finance they can't control it they can only control

01:07:03.660 the on-ramps and the off-ramps so i mean if you want to convert crypto that was a better point

01:07:07.740 then that's where they'll get you yeah they can't control yeah they they can't control that but

01:07:12.460 the one of the alluring points right is is to circumvent kind of being on the grid but i think

01:07:19.100 that they're going to find ways around that too like like there's a lot of oh dude there's a lot

01:07:23.180 of really smart guys in this space that are doing some incredible stuff and it like like it frustrates

01:07:27.900 me the end of the world whenever i do a collab with charlie uh you know we're talking about stuff

01:07:31.820 with crypto and there's always guys in the comments that are like oh it's a ponzi scheme you're gonna lose

01:07:35.580 all your money oh no no i am i am way past that no there's a lot of guys that still think it's a

01:07:41.100 ponzi scheme there's a lot of dudes but you know i i know i think it is well if for any other reason

01:07:46.780 and then its value is dictated by what people pay what people pay so you know you you look at that

01:07:52.380 and and then once i understood that coins have functionality that was probably like like

01:07:57.660 understanding that idea that made a big difference and there's a guy um oh man i was

01:08:05.500 i wish i could raise his name is like d fire key or something like that that's my favorite line

01:08:10.220 have fun being poor he was uh he was explaining to me um like how to look up the functionality of each

01:08:19.100 coin i was like oh wow this is really interesting okay i see like like well once i saw what it could

01:08:25.020 be used for i was like okay like i'm not i'm definitely not i might be a late bloomer but once i i

01:08:31.340 see an idea and then look at what people are doing commercially i'm just like okay this is

01:08:36.780 yeah cool good good good all right let's see what well dude man we got mike tyson in the chat what's up

01:08:43.740 uh he wants mike tyson's looking for advice on how to increase punching power so ed give it to mike

01:08:51.180 okay the easy way to increase punching power uh technique if you got to improve your technique

01:08:59.660 and get someone to teach you technique and that technique and this won't necessarily translate

01:09:04.940 immediately but uh realize that a a strong punch starts in your legs your feet and then that force

01:09:12.380 is driven up and then oh man i should know this word that's like my uh translate it there we go that that

01:09:19.660 that force is translated through your legs when you twist your core and everything is done in unison

01:09:26.140 um when i'm teaching guys how to punch one of the things i make sure they understand is that there is no

01:09:32.220 difference in terms of body mechanics and movements between a right cross a right hook or are throwing a

01:09:41.100 bowling ball or swinging a bat or throwing a dart or throwing a football that mechanics are those mechanics

01:09:48.300 are the same so it's really about unison you got to get everything moving at the same time and have

01:09:55.260 that force be driven up through your legs so it takes so long to be able to punch with great i mean

01:09:59.900 even your heaviest punchers your natural heavy-handed guys i mean maybe they had a good sense of how to do

01:10:06.940 that but it doesn't really mean it takes a while for that to develop under duress but for your average

01:10:11.020 person this is wild by the way random uh interjection we're not really random this is why i will never

01:10:16.620 ever i mean unless i'm trying to save somebody's life throw a punch because i know i at the very

01:10:22.700 least you're going down uh and and that's not like a brag or boast i i just know what i'm doing and i

01:10:29.340 understand that that if i hit you in the chin you the odds of you staying conscious are so low i'm i'm 220

01:10:37.820 pounds or 230 pounds man like and and not a bad 230 pounds like in shape and i'm not a punch if i hit a

01:10:43.580 regular person or going down when you can hit somebody you ain't even got to be that big like

01:10:47.820 people get knocked off train fighters get knocked out at like 160 pound range so 147 whatever you

01:10:55.020 can drop a guy by generating that power so get your legs right and learn how to twist your core

01:11:00.140 and get everything at the same time and you'll probably need someone to coach you on punching

01:11:04.540 technique that's a hard thing to learn from the internet yeah you gotta like i i would recommend if you

01:11:10.780 have the means to hire a coach and train one-on-one don't do group classes if you want to get the most

01:11:17.500 out of your time in it yeah it's going to cost you more but i've been doing one-on-ones for the last

01:11:21.740 year and a bit and dude it's a game changer like it's it's just awesome um let me just hit on the

01:11:27.260 second half here he says for mr cooper how do i stay consistently evolving with all distractions

01:11:32.140 in this world i find myself constantly getting distracted um you know what it boils down to a few

01:11:37.340 things and i want to hear ed's input on this too um because i know that you're super focused on the

01:11:42.060 stuff that you do as well but when it comes to distractions it's like you know if you find you

01:11:45.900 find yourself needing like you have a task you have a project you have a business that you want to run

01:11:50.460 something and you're not doing it it just means that you don't want it bad enough to me is all that

01:11:55.260 that means i mean if you want something bad enough then you're either going to find a way to do it

01:11:58.300 or you're going to find an excuse oh i have abc to do but i just got my ps5 and i want to level up my

01:12:04.620 character it's like okay well what's more important to you you know launching the business

01:12:08.460 or leveling up your character and getting the new armor or sword or whatever the it is you got

01:12:12.300 to get by playing the video game right like it's it's that there's other things that are you know

01:12:16.460 um useful as well there's things like nootropics you know which you can look up and get a little

01:12:20.700 more familiar with it and i'll be honest with you uh microdosing things like psilocybin um they can

01:12:26.540 definitely help with productivity as well but i want to hear from that as well too yeah i like i like all

01:12:30.540 that i agree with all of it and then i mean the only thing i would add and i don't even think this

01:12:35.980 is a is an addition just a rephrasing is is i'm assuming you're asking that because you're having

01:12:43.820 trouble staying focused like i'm gonna give you the benefit of the the doubt and say you want it bad

01:12:49.340 enough you just don't um you're not able to like put your mind there and and so like here's some training

01:12:56.540 wheels just get rid of a bundle all the extra shit just get rid of it and if you have nothing

01:13:01.820 to do but what you're trying to do or you make it prohibitive or you you you make it you know

01:13:06.380 prohibitively difficult uh like i use this app forest where like i lose my tree if i go open another

01:13:13.820 window or browser if you're gonna work on the internet little games like that but but it still

01:13:17.580 boils down to like uh do you want this bad enough and eventually with enough little training to stop

01:13:23.420 being distracted you won't need that stuff but if you don't want it bad enough it won't matter

01:13:28.620 you know and and really i think if you do really want it you'll you'll stop the other stuff because

01:13:35.100 it's it all it is are these these cheap dopamine hits man it ain't it ain't really it doesn't last

01:13:41.340 it just feels good it's how you get it's how people get hooked on drugs it feels good like like there

01:13:45.740 comes a point where every crack kid was like oh i'm a crackhead well time to go smoke and it's like bro

01:13:52.140 you just admitted that's bad for you yeah but i gotta smoke okay i'm assuming i'm assuming you're

01:13:57.740 like that guy just get rid of a bunch of shit for a week and try and focus man like and and i don't i

01:14:04.620 haven't gone down the micro dosing route but if you want a um a supplement meditation really really uh

01:14:10.940 has helped a lot and and don't even think about what you're trying to get out of it just trust the

01:14:15.740 process go read about it later and all you got to do is like sit for like 10 minutes and try and keep

01:14:21.580 your mind on your breath being able to do that will make it easier for you to keep your mind on

01:14:27.020 everything else that's all you need to know yeah i mean the these devices are designed to distract you

01:14:34.060 um there's a book written by near al it's called hooked and he basically breaks down how technology

01:14:41.580 today is designed to keep your attention on that technology whether it's a video game whether it's

01:14:45.980 social media because i mean you actually do get these like little dopamine hits every time you're

01:14:50.220 checking notifications alike somebody commented on something boom boom boom i have all notifications

01:14:55.420 off of my phone with the exception of text messages from select people and phone calls that's it dude

01:15:01.820 that that's next level i'm taking using that yeah um let me see what else we got here we got uh lewis

01:15:09.500 just a little thanks and moff wants to know how black coffee is today if you guys don't know uh ed on

01:15:15.740 social media he's known for talking about how black his coffee is where can they get the mug if they

01:15:20.620 want just got this trademark yeah there you go oh yeah that's uh that's that's coming along uh lewis is

01:15:27.660 me changing these things slowly really working out i have the books uh each time listening to get more

01:15:31.980 info um i want to ask you about the manosphere because that's where i kind of like um let's let's

01:15:40.140 talk about the mano swamp because i mean like you're really not manosphere sort of dude but

01:15:46.460 look i'm just happy you recognize that that's enough for me hey listen that's that's that's where

01:15:54.540 i'm trying to get you know like i you know i pulled out of the rule zero thing and i don't spend time

01:15:59.340 in the mano swamp anymore i have friends in there that i can count on like on one hand maybe a few

01:16:03.740 fingers sort of thing you know that i still uh chop it up with but i'm not a big fan of it i want to get

01:16:08.620 your view and opinion on what you think of like the manosphere slash manoswamp today okay

01:16:16.460 what's the best way to okay so you know how people you know how people get bad habits because

01:16:24.460 at one point that was like a good habit like it was useful it was a coping mech all right but it

01:16:30.860 becomes i saw it that way for the first little while too yeah yeah but it becomes a bad habit

01:16:35.420 when you use it beyond the utility you're getting when the value when the cost starts to exceed the

01:16:41.260 value you no longer need it a lot of guys find this space or find that i will find that's this space

01:16:49.100 um because they are not in a good spot like they always say you um you don't really like no one goes

01:16:57.740 oh man my life is good time to take the red pill right like that's not really how it works all right

01:17:04.620 when you do that you know then you go through your five stages all the stuff i you know i

01:17:10.460 rip he'll change my life i will never say anything uh disparaging about the general concept here's the

01:17:19.420 problem that it's run into uh everybody people have realized that it is it's it's a it's a place to make

01:17:28.060 money and and the story that my my coach used to tell me about one of them you know emmanuel steward is

01:17:35.900 uh main studios that he like trained lennox lewis and and hollyfield maybe he's a hall of fame trainer

01:17:41.900 right well he died a few years ago and and i and i had my coach was telling me some guys were like yeah

01:17:47.820 i was like man manny never let us make any money right and and i was like man why are people hating

01:17:52.460 on manny stewart man right and my coach is described to me best and this is what i used to describe

01:17:56.700 manager he goes imagine you're in a cage and there's one big ass piece of cheese and all the rats are in

01:18:05.500 the cage trying to get that one piece of cheese okay and and the cheese are the customers the rats are

01:18:14.620 everybody in the manos here okay so they're fighting clawing killing joe trying to get this piece of

01:18:19.180 cheese and there's nowhere to go it's just that cheese and it's a zero sum game they gotta get that

01:18:24.300 cheese that's the easy part to understand then i'm a modify now for you let's pretend that cage is

01:18:32.860 invisible and there's a bunch of other rats all outside the cage and they're like how do we get in

01:18:38.620 so they're out there fighting amongst themselves to get that piece of cheese and every now and then

01:18:43.420 the door open as they kick out a carcass and another one will come in to join the free-for-all

01:18:49.820 because of how the manosphere is based originally and and what sells because we pay attention to

01:18:55.740 negativity that has come to dominate the conversation on two fronts uh on the initial problem we're

01:19:03.740 talking about you know the the women and intersectional elements and then the inter um

01:19:10.460 personal beefs right so so it's really started to become this super negative space man and it's and

01:19:18.060 it's really hard for me what i do is this right like i tell people about about a certain event i'm never

01:19:27.020 gonna go out of my way to disparage said event or set runner of event but if somebody asked me

01:19:36.620 about said event and you know what i'm talking about i'm gonna keep it a buck with my on the whole deal

01:19:43.660 and wherever the chips may fall they fall ain't no thing about that right because i feel you know good

01:19:49.020 about where i stand i'm not worried about you know like i don't make money doing anything with it i think

01:19:53.740 you've said this a few times about about guys who rely on that space for money that that changes a lot

01:20:00.940 of how to improve yeah so because see because i mean you can only take somebody as far as you've come

01:20:06.220 and a lot of guys that end up in that space you know they they see an opportunity and they see um

01:20:13.420 they see havoc they see pain they see chaos you know like you said you know people don't come to

01:20:19.100 the mana swamp because things are good in their life you know they come to try to fix problems

01:20:23.500 and um the problem is a lot of the people that i found anyway that are offering solutions um

01:20:31.820 they've they were nobody you know before they figured out what women respond to and what you

01:20:38.060 know certain things mean it's a it's a weird thing because it was so weird to me man because i was

01:20:43.420 already like i had done a lot you know with my life by that point i came in there i'm like okay cool

01:20:48.300 you know let's help help a few people that sort of thing and i was like huh this is weird you know

01:20:54.460 what you figure out man like how you get there matters as much as the destination and and i don't

01:21:00.940 i don't care about how helpful you you you you some people find your content if if it gets there a

01:21:10.220 certain way that's no good man because at the end of the day i i've gotta because right now like you

01:21:17.180 said i'm not um no one will really look at my being go that's a master guy in fact i had some

01:21:23.340 i had a i had a girl write me the other day uh and say man your article about taking a lead in a

01:21:28.060 relationship you know i'm an art and feminist but i really agree with this and i just want to let you

01:21:31.260 know which guy was like wow man i'm really in a different place no no but um that's the the key

01:21:39.340 is that i i'm aware of like my actions and how many people look and if i whenever i i co-sign something

01:21:48.380 whenever i'm i'm there talking i am by my presence there i'm saying okay this is this is uh everything

01:21:56.140 about this i'm cool with or like like like and i can stand by that and i don't want to and i know

01:22:01.900 i'll take that responsibility to the grave i'll never back out anything i've ever stood by it done

01:22:05.820 and said but going forward i have to be like all right this is probably too negative for what i'm

01:22:13.500 trying to do this is missing the point uh this is probably the the cost of helping this guys exceeds

01:22:20.460 the value and the method you know for how you're doing it so enough about the negative there are some

01:22:25.980 really good you know one one great thing about youtube is that you you can only

01:22:33.980 bullshit youtube for so long because of the way it's set up and what people demand to see

01:22:39.980 as parts of your life and your story and all that and and you know you let somebody talk long enough

01:22:45.900 on any platform they will out themselves that's just how it goes all right so one of the cool things

01:22:51.820 is that there are a lot of really really solid guys coming up i wouldn't necessarily call manosphere

01:22:56.940 but they are they are masculinity kind of like what we were talking about like the first guys to come

01:23:02.540 to mind immediately or if you're familiar i don't know if you're familiar with like the roommates

01:23:05.420 podcast those guys very like like positive constructive work and what you can do and then it's a very it's a

01:23:13.980 cool way to see how you can do this and not be negative yeah it's interesting though because i

01:23:21.180 mean like the the um you know the roommates podcast i thought was pretty good and um i mean

01:23:26.860 there's been some criticism that i've heard from the manos i'm calling them like purple pill or they

01:23:30.380 don't understand you know certain specifics and details sort of thing but you know they do more

01:23:34.700 good than they do bad for sure like i think not only not only that you know not only that but like

01:23:40.140 there's nuance man like not everything is is exactly your experience yeah yeah is your experience

01:23:50.620 and and i do think there there are enough uh the generalities are good but when you start applying

01:23:59.260 them in a specific case where you remember why the generalities because when you get the specifics

01:24:04.140 the specifics there are there are levels there's nuance there's different applications there are

01:24:09.580 some things people will follow some things going i mean it takes it just you know it's like we were

01:24:15.340 saying early in the combo when you go from being super nice you go the other way with all super hard

01:24:22.540 and and it takes maturity humility and really a commitment to growing to get to a point where you use

01:24:30.380 judgment instead of having just a knee-jerk reaction to either extreme correct and listen ed up i want

01:24:37.980 to be respectful of your time because we're coming up on like 90 minutes and uh you've you've dropped a

01:24:42.620 lot of nuggets of gold here on this um you know show you you've always been one of those guys that i can

01:24:48.140 look at and be like ed's legit like like he is he is authentic what you see is what you get i love your

01:24:54.540 presence on social media i like your writing yeah yeah um and i'm not doing that just you know rub up

01:25:00.620 to like i'm legitimately saying like check out ed's stuff follow him him on social media um take a

01:25:07.420 minute and just tell people you know where to find you and what it is that you do specifically and what

01:25:11.260 it is that you can help them with yeah man so i feel sorry for anybody boring after me with my name

01:25:15.420 man because i got that everywhere i'm ed latimore on instagram twitter my uh my facebook is ed latimore

01:25:23.100 both my my page and my personal and i take requests on all just just come hang out uh and

01:25:29.660 my youtube channel is is ed latimore yeah man that's coming somehow i don't even promote it man i gotta

01:25:34.940 get a 1100 subscribers man i gotta i gotta get on that and start making videos but yeah and come to my

01:25:41.660 website which is right down there in the corner at latimore.com and and pretty much my whole goal is to

01:25:46.700 just take what i've learned the hard way and break it down so you guys can learn it the easy way i write

01:25:51.500 about how to help you you know think better i got a bunch of articles on math and how to approach

01:25:56.460 problems a lot of articles about training a lot of articles by right you're a big guy on chess too

01:26:01.420 right like you're oh huge on chess i mean you didn't get a chance to talk about that because

01:26:05.100 that's like a wicked problem solving game too right yeah very we're fine man i i invest a lot of money

01:26:09.740 into my coaching and too as well so i i spend time improving but i just i enjoy the game and i think

01:26:16.460 it's a great way to connect you don't need to speak the person's language so whenever i go to another

01:26:20.540 country i can sit down and play play a game with a local they have a board around and yeah man i just

01:26:28.860 i want to help i'm writing to make myself better and to organize my thoughts and it just so happens

01:26:35.500 that i've lived a life where other people get quite a lot out of it as well i got a lot of writings on

01:26:40.460 sobriety forgiveness boxing chess well nothing on chess you have a math physics the things that are

01:26:47.660 important to me you know and and i think people can get a lot out of them certainly the numbers on

01:26:52.060 the site show that people get a lot of it so yeah check it out so get on his email list right there

01:26:56.860 uh you know you get it off his website ed thanks for joining me today guys hit the like button and

01:27:00.780 leave a comment below um i've got uh pd mangan lined up next for another episode and i already recorded

01:27:08.700 last or earlier this week an episode with a guy that's sailing the mediterranean he's on a passage

01:27:13.740 right now so i had to do like a pre-recording but that'll be uploaded in the next week or two

01:27:17.500 i try to like play one of these like once a week so stick around there's lots more cool

01:27:21.660 shit coming on thanks ed awesome

Playing to Win - March 02, 2022

053 - Retired Heavyweight Boxer, Ed Latimore

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