055 - Brutal Divorce Turns Grateful - The Duane Heil Story
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Summary
In this episode of the Plane to Win podcast series, I m joined with a very interesting guest, a survivor of the California divorce process at 53. At 53, he walked out with zero, was a thriving multi-millionaire, built over 5 years and then sold out, bought a one-way ticket to Turkey and bought a beautiful sailboat which I ve been touring for the last 3 years.
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all right guys welcome to another episode of the plane to win podcast series i'm joined today
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with a very interesting guest i'm i'm actually super stoked to talk to you duane because uh
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i've mentioned a few times on my channel um my interest in about eight to ten years down the
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road just packing up most of my life and living on a yacht down in the caribbean or somewhere nice
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i mean the mediterranean sounds nice to me you're in the mediterranean right now um we met through
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uh instagram so you know lo and behold these social media platforms can be great for stuff
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like this and you've messaged me and you said uh hey rich love your talks good stuff don't know if
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you're interested but i'm a survivor of the california divorce process at 53 walked out with
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zero just before was a thriving multi-millionaire i rebuilt over five years and then sold out bought
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a one-way ticket to turkey and bought a beautiful sailboat which i've been touring the eu on for
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last three years learned so much and then you offered to have a conversation so here we are
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today duane welcome man how you doing wow rich thanks i really appreciate you uh having me on
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your show because i i see your a lot of your videos and i've gleaned so much from uh how you approach
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the whole uh the new attitude of being male and um and also just surviving in this crazy world
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and um so thank you and um let me let me get you to kind of like frame the frame the backstory because
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i've had the opportunity to listen to a few of the podcasts that you linked for me which sounded
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basically like your audio recordings telling a story almost like a journal uh i've watched a few
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of the videos on your youtube channel it's a small channel um but nonetheless you know i wanted to see
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you know what what you're all about and i always want to you know check out potential guests to make
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sure that they're legit um so can you give the guys a background on what i mean lead up to what
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got you to the sailboat in the mediterranean right now because you were quite successful you lived in
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california in a nice area of yeah you know town sort of thing had a family a wife what all happened
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i well okay i i i had a very definite plan growing up and i i was raised in a very strong family in
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southern california builders and and um and i learned these trades very young from the time i
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was 12 i was 15 i built my first house of course there was a lot of supervision to my dad and my
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uncles it was very family oriented and um and then i went uh i went to college and and way back then i
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had an interest in surfing and sailing i just was maniacal over water and so that's what i got through
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high schools doing fun stuff like that and then i uh when i got out of college as engineer in my
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mid-20s i traveled to asia i had a job for a bit in indonesia as an engineer and then i traveled around
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australia and i got to cruise for a little while i jumped on other people's boats yeah yeah i heard
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that part where you basically were pacing like the marina and just looking for somebody that was
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looking for crew how old were you at that time i was 25 20 24 25 26 i was gone for three years
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and you would just randomly like chat up people with sailboats and say hey you know i'm in the
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area you know do you need crew yeah and that was that was par for the course back then and now
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it's so different because there's all kinds of websites that you could connect you know crewing
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uh and and boats connect so it's called crew bay and there's find a crew oh yeah there's a lot of
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crew i use them all the time i'm gonna move just a little bit because i'm shifting around
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so sorry about that and so if you're on a passage where you need crew you can actually go to a
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website and say hey look yo i've got room for two guys i'm traveling from here to here and then you
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can basically source them out that way yeah in fact it's too bad this thing's not more live i know
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it's probably people are going to be seeing this a little bit after but well i'm actually going to
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have this as a premiere so i'll be in the live chat when people are watching this being able to
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answer the questions i'll give you the time and date in case you're available and you're not on
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a passage so that maybe you can join okay well like tomorrow today is whatever the 15th 14th
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14th of december yeah and tomorrow i hope i get a couple waiting on a couple more repair items for
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the boat but as soon as i get those i've taken off of the canary it's about a 10 day seven to 10 day
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passage and i don't have any crew at the moment okay and i so i put an ad on crew bay is the one i use
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and it's free for other people to sign up or you can pay five bucks a month or something and get
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the premium version it's real it's very cheap and it's very value i mean it's it's a great platform
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and i got a lot of crew from that so that's one thing and um sorry i just want to take you back to
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the australia thing when you're in your 20s yeah so so basically i'm 24 and i'm walking up down
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uh pontoons and i get on boats and i ended up on one guy's boat and we cruised uh the another
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the uh great barrier reef and i'd met this girl in a um in a uh hostile ingrid and we i asked her
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hey you want to hitchhike with me up the coast to do this she said yeah let's go so go and we ended up
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on this boat for months some guy serge sokolovsky was his name from uh russian defector and he had
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to try him around we pay him 10 bucks a day or something plus food and uh just float around and
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i'd skin dive and i was like i said sir yeah how long can you do this and he said long as you want
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he said what's the cost it's nothing and you just own the boat and you can anchor it he goes yeah
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like you can do this all over the world it's amazing now you go into i go into marinas a lot
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like maybe four days a month five days a month just for repairs for waters i i do have a water maker but
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it takes a lot of energy to make water so if i can get it from there but like starting next week i'm
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going to be anchored for months off of an island in the eastern atlantic and i just surf a couple times
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a day and there's no services there because there's nothing it's just a big volcano rocky island and
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there's breaks all around it and so i'll be making water when i'm there anyway it's uh uh
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so back to 24 i decide wow this is an amazing lifestyle and i realized it wasn't easy to make
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money in this business it's like you know you i was a builder i was an engineer and i was getting
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figured i was going to be a contractor and i came back and i said okay you ended up building custom
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homes was it i did yeah and i so i made a very cognizant decision after roaming the planet for
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three years and i did all kinds of odd jobs when i was traveling you know 24 25 26 and i was a waiter
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busboy i rode a bicycle and delivered mail as a courier i poured concrete for people whatever
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just to make enough money to get by but then i wanted to come back and get some real money
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so i came back to southern california and i got my contractor's license and i just got down and i
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started uh borrowing uh using other people's money to buy properties and and then i would build on
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them and i put the package together and i was some i would keep and some i'd sell and i got married
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when i was about 30 and i married this woman who was an architect and and she we were a pretty
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dynamic team together but she was the same age as you yeah she was a year younger than me and she
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was but i didn't realize at the time because i went to san francisco this was
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right after most of your listeners probably wouldn't know this but right after there was a
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event called the oakland hills firestorm happened in 1991 uh october 1991 and 3 000 houses burned down
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in one day in the oakland hills it's just across the bridge from san francisco and i was living in
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southern california at the time and a friend of mine said hey did you hear about this and at the time
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there was a huge uh recession occurring and so well all over the country and i had built another
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spec house i couldn't sell it it was sitting there empty and all my cash was stuck in that and i was
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like i'm gonna go check this out so i bought a ticket on southwest airlines i went up and and
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um a friend of mine and said oh you know my my sister-in-law just got uh her architecture degree up
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there and she lives right by i'll have her pick her have her pick you up at the airport okay great
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so she did we drove around and that wasn't some amount of time we got married and she was my
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partner we built a lot of houses and that was an amazing time because there was all these empty
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lots and we were killing it i mean we just we bought and sold uh i'm having to hide from the sun
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just piercing in my eyes no you're good man just just move to wherever you need to on the boat
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yeah if you go inside then just go inside if the light's too too bright or throw on some shades
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i'm a sailor and a surfer and i'm gonna get down and we're gonna make some serious dough
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and in after we make this chunk of money i want to go sail the earth sail the planet and she was like
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oh that sounds so exciting that's so amazing and you know when you're don't have kids um you know
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like you say the the women's perception of world and everything it just changes radical
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spinning around here so by the time i was 40 i had made a lot of money i think i i was i was a
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multi multi-millionaire and so this was like 10 years later and we had done a lot of houses
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very successful we had a great reputation and i was like look i had three kids they were young
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at that time they were like four six and eight i said let's go and she's like no i don't want to go
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anymore and i was like oh my god and it was there was a lot of discussion about it but she just changed
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her mind and so why did she say no when she previously said yes before because i always have
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to remind guys like women always reserve the right to change their mind in a given time
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this is a this is a classic example of it she was just comfortable because we were i i was a victim
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of my own success yeah i really was i was a victim of my own success i lived in a beautiful house i had
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a second house in the mountains i we had a ski house right i had my own airplane i had a beechcraft
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baron i would fly the play family around in the plane my kids uh we had a beach house down in
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san clementi near my parents i didn't share with the family but still it was right on the water
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we had so like you guys were the envy of of of like your social network right that's right you
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had a beautiful family multiple residences lots of money a plane yeah yes yeah yeah yeah i was i was
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killing it and i worked my ass off i i would venture to say i would work 16 hours a day and i would uh
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you know i would have to say also that um as far as a exercise regimen and keeping fit
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even though i kept all these jobs going i would work every day on the jobs i would make sure i would
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pick up a couple two by 12s and run up and down the hills i was actually doing work at the time but
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and i've run up and down stairs on these hillside lots and it kept me very very very fit the payoff of
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that today i'm 59 generally people guess me to be about 45 it happened today with some guy another
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sailor it's like i can't believe you're 59 but over the years keeping your weight i'm i'm the same
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weight and size almost as when i was 21 or 18 and um so i was here listening to you talk about all your
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fitness and that is i never went to a gym huge payoff anyway i uh she changed her mind because
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she was comfortable and she didn't want to travel and uh she wanted to go for a couple of weeks you
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know or maybe a weekend or maybe even a month but she didn't want to like stop and actually
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tour the world live with the locals live as you would i my idea was to take the kids and okay we're
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going to go to italy we're spending a semester in italy they're just going to go in to get in italian
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schools it sounds like you had everything but the boat at that time that's right okay yeah that's right
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and i and i knew how much work boats were and i didn't really have the time to take care of one
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because i was in this work mode and then we started looking at boats and then she went down
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looked at me with them a little bit with me and then she said nah not into it and so i was like
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okay now at the time i was living in oakland if you know anything about oakland it's a pretty rough
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place and i and and i have the in my in my career between growing up in la and growing up in oakland
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i've had a gun pulled in my head three times just random shit you know guys thugs walking down the
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street they'll stop and pull out a piece and i run i see it come in and i floor it and get out of there
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and gotta know how to run and i did that in la as being a gopher for my dad's company you make the
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wrong turn down some alleyways and trying to take a shortcut in the afternoon through east la and
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you know you're fodder for them so i know the routine i wanted to get the hell out of there
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it's like okay enough i don't want to have to die just for this how old were the kids when you
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had to untie the knot oh they were 14 16 and 18 okay so they were almost adults then yeah so what
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happened when you had to go through that process with family law in the state of california
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so we'd had this business together for uh basically 20 years and uh i had also made a second company
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that was manufacturing you guys could look it up if you want it's called vitruvian built it's on
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there's a youtube there's a bunch of youtube something about it i got it there's a guy uh john
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fanier made a documentary if you look him up he's uh made like i think he made rocky he was the
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camera and producer guy hollywood dude but he happened to be my neighbor at the time and he
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watched what i was making he said hey can i make a documentary about you on this i just think it's
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interesting so he did so the results of that is on youtube and i made a machine
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that automated the production of houses in a net zero fashion there's almost no way like a like
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3d house printed houses where it prints that yeah but it didn't well it's what we did is it took large
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chunks of foam and we cut them up and then we machined them and milled them but the software we made
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would image you could anything you could draw in 3d in autocad it would read it and then make a g
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code to cut it out and then we wrote algorithms in order to optimize how to use all the materials
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and so we wasted very little and it was very cheap and efficient way to build really straight square
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efficient houses because your walls are eight inch solid foam and then you add cement or drywall on
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the outside that it looks like a regular house so that's where you'd get those spanish looking houses
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in california right well i mean anyhow you could do modern you could do uh um you could do gingerbread
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you could do spanish you could any any any house or any building that had walls or roots i could build
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how much were both these businesses doing by the way like if you don't mind like like what was your
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net worth approximately when you went into the divorce versus after well at my peak i think my net worth
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that was about 19 uh or maybe about 2000 one or two i was probably worth 10 million and then uh
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by the end of it i was probably worth we were we were just suffering the uh uh the wrath of 2008
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and everything declined a lot because i had most of my assets in uh real estate i think i owned about
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37 properties but the net of that i would get a pretty good income every year but the gross value
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was about 6 million okay because it went down but i'd start i stopped working so much i kind of
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semi-retired after i was 42 and then that's when i built this this uh house manufacturing system and um
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and so i uh um the manufacturing process never really made any money because i didn't charge
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i mean i it we're we only did it it took me i guess i worked on it about three years
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and to go through the beta testing it gives a lot of failures i had to build it rebuild it three or
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four times this machine and i had to get approvals all over california i had to go through destructive
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testing i had to get uh you know ubc codes and and but i built 40 structures with it so i built a
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couple hundred thousand square feet of walls and roofs um and it was uh now this was 10 years ago
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so money today if i if i would have kept it all together i sometimes do the math i don't know it
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might be worth 30 million today if i would have gone up on the trajectory so i've done okay and i was
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very happy i was more than happy and then one day uh my ex-wife who had i realized she'd been
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planning this for about three years how did you know she was planning for three years because she
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was in charge of the books ah so the books that's that's where the truth came out yeah so she was
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very clever and we had debt of course to other people you know when you have i have bank loans and
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then i had private loans from other investors all of that happened to be in my name or theoretically it
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wasn't you know we didn't have to pay it back because it was a property recorded against
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properties now they trusted us and i trusted my ex-wife that was my mistake and i even you know
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threw myself to the judge i said hey this isn't fair he goes there
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dude you you know what is fair there is no fair and you know you should have been more careful
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you shouldn't have trusted her i was like okay so a family judge said don't trust your wife
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yeah basically yeah totally totally like like counterintuitive to what you've been told your
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entire life right it's just you know put your trust in your partner yeah and here's the other thing
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it's when when i went to the court i i i really haven't spent any time in courts i mean i've been in a
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few lawsuits over the years over disputes over properties and little things like that uh and
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and just being in the course of business but you barely you know it's not like you're in front of a
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jury it's not like perry mason with a jury and everything that's just business law well when i went to
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uh divorce law into the divorce court there's one guy just the judge
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and he makes all the calls he makes all the calls he can do whatever he wants and my ex-wife was a
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pro she wore a cute dress right up over her knee and some shoes that would you know she was talking
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to the judge the guy was like 65 good looking guy you could see he was a coxman in his day
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you know he's like he's retired from being a lawyer and they put him on the stand and in my town
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in san luis obispo there was three judges three that's it so you really can't change you know
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there's no there's no latitude there's nowhere else to go just get what you get
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and when she would go to walk up on the stand she would stand up he would almost come out of his chair
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like oh sit down you know like point at the chair like he was pulling up basically what you're saying
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he was simping hard he was simping for your for your wife oh yeah he liked her and she was like
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working it man you know dress because i looked at her i said i didn't say it but i just saw her
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i go you never dress like that it's like sexy conservative oh yeah yeah and uh and so she'd
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been coached and i was like oh my god i'm such a city duck here and when i came up he just kind
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laid back like whatever let's hear your side of the story right and she asked from the first day
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for full control now before that when she first she sprung it on me one morning just said oh i want
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a divorce and i remember it was november 7 2012 and i was in certain morning laying in bed
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gave me a big old elbow and i said what's that about i want a divorce and i was like
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what what are you talking about i mean it's totally surprising we had three kids in the house
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this beautiful estate down in san luis obispo we had moved the whole family down there eight
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years before and built out a beautiful gentleman's ranch had a vineyard fruit trees and i built a
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sports field for my kid and like to play baseball why do you think she pulled the trigger on on that
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particular date on november the 7th like was it was it like you know she had cooked the books long
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enough you know we had an argument we had an argument a few days before okay and it was about the uh the
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election and i and obama had won again and i was angry because what he had done to me it just happened
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to be in my case guys like me he had given a lot of money to banks and the banks bought the local banks
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and the local banks had to were now owned by outsider banks and they started foreclosing processes and all
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kinds of properties and they tried to foreclose on me they just they did illegal stuff i won't get too
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into it they were bastards i actually took one of them to court and i won and uh that was another
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court case i had but i didn't lose anything to foreclosure because i'd kept up my bills but they
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tried to trick me into a lot of nasty stuff these were big boys from new york and they bought the
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little local bank and found those obispo and i said how come we're in the situation where our
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government is taking our money and printing and giving to the big big banks and coming in and just
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stealing from us i don't want to vote for this guy again and she said i don't even care about that
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she goes all i care about is that the liberal agenda is that my daughters will be free to have
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an abortion if they want wow so okay so let me just frame this right you know because of what i'm hearing
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so i'm just going to say this you know so if i understand you correctly duane your wife was more
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interested in her daughters being able to have abortions than protecting the family wealth
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that's right right the government you know the the uh bureaucratic uh policy makers that you know
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set up these new you know laws and stuff that are basically stealing wealth from your business and
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making it hard hard for you to run your business she gets mad at you because you wanted the other guy
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and she got the guy that protects abortion rights yeah i think dole was running against him at the time
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sorry about that just just just needed to clarify but carry on yeah because a lot of these guys i'm
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watching he's watching this so i won't get the the timing of all this but yeah that happened
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that can happen i remember sitting there like and then so we got an argument like the day after
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and she said i remember walking out she's have a nice day going to work honey and i was like
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have a nice day i could do you realize this is what happened like this is insanity okay i gotta
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put up with this crap for four more years i go we just we were this close to getting our house
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foreclosed on and i'm just killing myself i had actually took jobs out of town
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so everybody could keep eating and i wouldn't lose my main house and my you know some other jobs
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and i had a lot of jobs going at the time i had like three i was building a nine unit department
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complex and in the commercial building and a custom home and some other little things and you know
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just business as usual and i i was using my building system and then being a contractor and i was
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running around i owned a fleet of tractors i had an excavator and a backhoe and a
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bulldozer and all the big contractor toys and um yeah and it just making ends meet keep and you
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know kids were in private schools and she said yeah but i don't care and i was like wow and i heard
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that and i and i turned around i i i i got mad at her i yelled i never hit her never got even close
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you know three or four feet away nobody else around to hear us but i i got pissed off i yelled
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and then two days later she said i want a divorce and i was like what okay oh you wanted that for that
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so so what was the outcome of the divorce when the dust settled right like when the process was done
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like what were you left with what was she left with how are you treated how was she treated okay so
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during the so after like this happens in november so i begged her for six weeks because we were
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together for thanksgiving and christmas and she was faking it the whole time not to let the kids know
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that we were getting a divorce nobody knew we were sleeping in the same bed but i was negotiating with
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her the whole time like oh let's you know let's go to counseling let's do something else because neither
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one of us were cheating we didn't have any significant others and i had no idea the depth that she had
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already studied this out and yeah i always tell guys like women plan this out well in advance i mean
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three years you know you might be hearing this right now and thinking guys wow three years that's
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you know it's pretty it's it's not that uncommon and um thanks for saying that uh rich it's uh keeping
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that that perspective so i up until around christmas and i remember just i couldn't even sleep i couldn't
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figure out a way do any way to bring any new business in because then all the numbers start
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going through my head it's like i'm a small family construction business if i i know i i talked to
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my accountant by the way and i said hey if i go to half do i have the leverage to go borrow like i used
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to he said no i said so that means it's going to severely limit the size and the amount of jobs i can get
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goes yeah that's right not only you're being set back the money you have but you're being set back
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the money you could possibly make and i'm sweating in bed and i'm i'm going well how do i bring in new
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business right now i'm assuming you didn't care about that though right oh no yeah and and in fact
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she just at one point we had one empty lot left back up in oakland now we lived in san los obispo
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people don't know where those are geographically it's about four hour car drive and oakland's in
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the middle city san francisco and san los obispo it's this beautiful bucolic coastal town it's like
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oprah winfrey one day said it's the best place to live in the world the happiest place in the world
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so it's just gorgeous you know rolling hills it looks like something out of fairy tale and
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i um i was having to go back and forth between these two places to to keep up enough income because
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it was after the 2008 recession just barely keeping ends meet keeping them together and and then
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so this was like yeah three four years later after that economy was just starting to sputter back up
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and i negotiated with her for about two months and then one day i said hey you realize
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if you take all these properties i'm not going to be able to make a living like i used to
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so we should just split the assets and i put together a package that i thought was fair
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where actually she ended up with about 60 percent i then ended up with 40 percent she would end up with
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the income properties that i ended up with the properties that maybe had a little more equity that
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the potential to make more and we call it even she was like oh no no no no you owe me i said but
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she'd been my partner all these years she goes no i don't i here's and here's a big thing even though
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she would work with me and advise me and which was true she wasn't on the payroll she would claim
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housewife on our taxes okay that was a big deal she wasn't architect and we would hire other architects
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to sign them so it was theoretically true now she was huge in and you know we would we look at a
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piece of property hey you think we should buy that lot yeah i think so okay then what are we going to
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put on so i think she put nine apartments on it okay why didn't you put her on payroll though for
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tax savings reasons to lower your tax brackets no it's it's the other way around you get a bigger
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write-off on a housewife okay in california yeah and uh state laws incentivize yeah but part of it is
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that then i think i think it's uh she's not you know she did for the first while but then for the
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last the pre then for the next day the previous eight years housewife the first 10 years she was
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on payroll and you guys were married for more than 10 years right oh yeah 20 okay we were together
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22 i call it 22 because from the time i met her which was just boom all the way through
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in california i think it's after 10 years you're you're on the hook for alimony you're on forever
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forever yeah forever so she said at that moment she goes no you owe me and i was like i owe you
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well we've been sleeping in the same position on this one oh yeah we've been sleeping in the same bed
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for all this time we've been we've been you know we go to the same we do everything together we're in
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the same room we're in the same house we don't how could i one person owe another we've had the
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same experience you know let's take the assets split them and move forward i said you you're a
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smart lady you're a hardcore feminist you know and i said strong independent woman right yeah strong
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independent woman i don't need no man but i need his money baby yeah so true and i was and she said
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well look if it's going to be a problem it may be a you may have a hard time getting to know your kid
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wow i was like oh you have to bleep that out i'm sorry but but i was lord and i had been talking
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to other guys i talked to lawyers i talked to you know people by that time and they were very clear
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that said look if those kind of threats start coming up she's got way bigger plans and don't
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get caught you're gonna you're gonna she wants you in jail and she knew my buttons to push you know i
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had a i'd never i'd never been arrested i don't have any tickets i'd never been in jail i'd never been
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you know i barely even had a speeding ticket um but i had you know i would i i'd get mad i and when
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i was a kid you know you talk about fighting and stuff when we're in high school i'd fight
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but i'd never hit anybody after that but she had this that i realized then she had this dialogue
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that somehow i was scary later it would come up in depositions she kept claiming i she was scared
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and i was scary did this lead up to a false dv yeah okay so those of you that don't know what a
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false dv is and i talk about it in my book in the chapter on why smart men don't marry did you read my
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book by the way i did yeah i just got done with it yeah go ahead would you would you uh co-sign that
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oh absolutely so i i was sitting there i had to like stop the car you're just nodding your head
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going yeah there it is and i've heard it i've studied enough about this i've heard it in other
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places but you you you portray it perfectly so go for it dude you wrote it then so women use this as
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a trump card often um terrible women so let me just be clear on that because it doesn't require
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any proof and what they'll so i'll tell you a story so this one guy was telling me that you know
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he had come home from work he's expecting to see his you know his family and his kids
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and as he walks in the front door um his wife is basically on the phone with the police saying
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we're really scared you know he's threatening to hurt us he has guns and all this sort of stuff and
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it's like 15 minutes later two cruisers ripped down the street one of them parks on his front lawn
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tearing up like shrubs and stuff another one of the driveway sirens going and he basically gets
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hauled away in handcuffs um they change the lock locks on the house and he doesn't have access to
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the house his kids when the house sells nothing because she claimed he was a bad scary man he was
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a boogeyman and bad things you know were happening um they don't require any proof it's just the
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allegation is plenty in most places in the world um duane went through that so what happened with
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the false dv charge like what did she do so here's how it went down i realized when she said that
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that i was like okay wait a minute those are not her normal words because i've been living with this
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person for 22 years so i'm very aware when she's saying something threatening because i've seen her deal
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with a lot of people she she handled a lot of our legal work or at least set the strategy for our
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if we had issues or whatever you know but as you do in business just in business
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and very crafty very clever and by the way she came from a family very broken family where her father
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destroyed her mother and divorce in the late 70s in california so her mother went from being the happy
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housewife like leave it to beaver to having to become an oncology nurse changing bedpans in the
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middle of the night over a two-year period and she was 17 at the time when this happened her dad was
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the ceo of a fortune 500 company known as western microwave and they make bombs for the military
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so now consider a man's you know state of mind a guy who last year your bomb killed 400 people at a
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whack got to do better this year you got to kill 500 so this uh to to continue to keep him
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peeking at this he would read books his standard fare that he would talk about was the art of war
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and his daughters he had three daughters i married one of them this is what they would talk around
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about around the coffee table and i didn't know anything about this i was a deer in woods man i i
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grew up just being a simple damn builder guy and i wanted to surf and sail and have a good time
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yeah you're a surfing hippie right yeah i was and oh when you see my video if you look at my video
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on vitruvia built you're going to see a guy who looks nothing like me now i even look older than
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we're going to get hopefully get to that okay so all right so
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she when she started talking about this about me not seeing the kids i was like this is a huge red
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flag now i have it's been three months now i haven't you didn't know why at the time but like
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the spidey senses were tingling like hang on what's coming down the pipes here and i said
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hang on a second the kids weren't home i walked in the house i packed a bag i came back out i got in the
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car and i left okay we and and and i and a month before i'd even asked her because as soon as as
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soon as she told me about this divorce thing weird mail starts showing up i mean like within the next
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couple days she started signing up for like singles not singles dating stuff but things that
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that women who are single would get in the mail like you know special bank accounts and you know
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bust tax strategy planning and and of these things that we would never look at if we were a married
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couple and i started noticing this mail i said wait a minute you had to plan this for a while
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like this didn't just happen yesterday it got hit the road running right i mean there's only
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sand left in the hourglass you know she's only got to look for so long yeah oh oh and then as soon as
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even during the divorce process man she went out she got full work over from forehead
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to to pussy just the whole thing worked over i saw her later in court her face a little bit deformed
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she landed herself a wealthy guy now it's another story but she worked at heart yeah it's spent some
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money there and she's a good looking lady too she always was and she never lost it really so
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but i at one point i was like i said we we haven't touched each other in months i go what are we doing
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i go are we dating others i mean do you go out all the time and i'm separate she goes i don't care
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what you do i said really she goes yeah she goes i don't get shit we're done we're now we just have
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to exercise this out as efficiently as we can to retain as much of the wealth as we can and not fuck
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this up i was like okay so i didn't start dating but i was like in my mind that's like oh okay so we're
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done just we can date others and um so i left and there was a woman who i knew and i called her up
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asked her for a ride from where i flew to in the airport i really just wanted to get away and she
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picked me up and i'd never touched her before and i asked her i said can we hang out like you know
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she's single woman she's like yeah for sure so we started hanging out we had a good time and she
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knew i was just coming out of this divorce and and and uh well my ex ended up having a guy follow us
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take pictures and she gave that to my kids later even after nice yeah to juice them up a little more
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yeah so anyway that happened but so what happened with the dv charge okay so dv so okay so i'm out of
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the house she puts a big pile of shit in a uh she puts it in my hanger my airplane hanger she she
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purges everything out of the house that she thinks is mine which is just my clothes some skis some sports
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gear and she dumps it in the hanger so i'm looking at all the stuff okay and there was a pair of my
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daughters skis in there so one day i drove by the house i was going to put the skis not even on the
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property but at the front uh mailbox well she happened to be out there and i live on this big
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estate 10 acres out in the country the kids were kind of up the driveway and i said here i ended up
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abuse these are mad she says maddie was 18 by this time we're just turning 18 and she says
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you're not you know get the hell out of here i don't want to see you and yelling at me and i yelled
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at her back and just had words i never i didn't even step on the property i was on the street and i
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got in the car and i was huffed and i was pissed off and i drove away she went to the judge the next day
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and said he came at me and i was scared to death and boom restraining order
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now i can't be near my kids i can't be near the house i can't now and then and then was finally
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we got to the first day of hearing okay so now now she wants to ask for a decisional hearing by the
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judge i don't know what you call it exactly but so we end up in front of the judge and i have a lawyer
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by this time she walks in and makes takes spends about three hours on the stand telling the judge
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why she should have 100 management control of the company that we've had together for 22 years
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and i was just sitting there like shell shocked i was listening to her did you ever think for a
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minute that he would give it to her or you're like oh this isn't going to happen just let her
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no fucking way yeah no way i kept looking at my lawyer like what now it came to half that and
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she threw all kinds of allegations out and she even said oh by the way if i get control of this company
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i have every qualification to run it i am you know i have a degree in architecture and i've been
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this partner for 22 years and i've i've you know i used to be pound nails and i know how to order the
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concrete a truck and by the way yeah i have three guys who have agreed to put their license up if he
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leaves and he she named him and one of the guys i mean i knew of all three of them um and one was
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friends of the dad another guy was some random dude and another guy was a friend of like the family
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and um and i just sat there and i was like really those guys could do my job i mean i i by this time
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i'd even gotten a patent and i've gotten i was start i was lecturing on the college level
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about um building technology i'm i would consider it a building technologist that's my name
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so i would talk to architecture students and uh engineering students and i would talk to uh green
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um um you know uh what's the word college um but the greenies and so uh i had you know i was like
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really this is all going to replace me okay and then i went to lunch they broke for lunch and i called
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my accountant and i can he had just been through a gnarly divorce that took him four years and he had
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finished yes and he was my partner for 25 years because we owned a lot of um income properties
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together we had another part of what i did is i had put together syndications and raised money and we
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uh bought apartment buildings all over california it was very successful we did really well with that
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and so my accountant was my partner in that and i told him hey this is what's going on he goes don't
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worry this is just d-day it's going to get better from here and and um i said well do
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i want this company and he was like well just go in there and give it your best shot
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yeah i go back and i said look your honor so you marched back into the slaughterhouse
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yeah uh-huh and my and my lawyer actually looked at me and said the same thing he goes because you
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know i don't really know you that well because we're just starting this process like i've maybe
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known him a couple weeks and he'd seen my numbers i thought it was just going to be a matter of just
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like saying okay here's the here's the asset who gets what and let's go from there i said i thought
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it was going to be uh-uh she turns it into she wants full management control and i was like
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well how is that going to work and so i told the judge i said look your honor i don't
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understand how this can even be a thing because we've been partners for 22 years
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and we've made every decision together and now we're going to be at odds with each other
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and one guy is going to tell the other guy what to do i go that sounds like a recipe for disaster
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so so he hands over control and then in two days he writes a letter so she's got all control
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so then first thing so she's got the kids she's got the assets she's got the house which you've
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moved out of now she's got the business yep and so now i was in the middle of building out
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a handful of projects which i really wanted to finish um and i um actually one of the houses
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was for a guy named dr cherry and he what now okay i'm going to take you back 10 years and this
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is kind of interesting especially for a lot of guys in america and california
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around the 10 year mark of marriage she and i were arguing a lot about where we should live
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she wanted to stay in the city she wanted to be the cool city girl and i wanted you think that's a
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coincidence that at the 10 year mark where she knows that you're on the hook for lifelong alimony
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that she became a little more disagreeable oh it's no question she knew what she had i knew what
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she had i i'm no dummy you know i i knew it was at stake but you know we had a great life we even
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we were living in oakland we you know we were i wasn't super rich but i did good you know and i
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wake up every morning and have jobs to do and very well respected and we would help build the
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little elementary school in our town and all the good stuff you know and kids all running around all
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the time and and um so oh i kind of lost my train of thought we were um you're you're talking about
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10 years back with this guy that you had to build oh yeah okay so so because we're arguing she wants
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to go see a shrink go couples counseling okay so we go and turns in she she kisses them that i have
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the problem and i'm sorry i'm not laughing at you i'm just it's like see i was right again but
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yeah go ahead yeah i have the problem i have the problem because i'm angry because i was like look
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we got 10 million bucks how much more can we you know just let's just put that in a freaking simple
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six percent thing or even 10 or we don't have to put in anything we own properties i mean they're
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spitting out cash and it's like we can we don't need to have a second and third house if we just have
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our one house and i'm there all the time and i always was going to put my moniker of success to
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myself was that i get to see my house in the daytime because i work from before sunrise to
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after sunset every morning i'd wake up at six i'd be first one down at the lumber yard make sure
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everybody's going to have enough materials to do what they need to do yeah and then when i come home
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at night and once in a while we have a little fun at sneak home because i live very close to all my
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jobs you know get a little nooky in the afternoon that was fun it was great you know and and uh and
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then we get to go um on three-day vacations to the mountain house and once in a while we take
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off for two weeks and go to things it was great you know it's like but but at 10 years i was like
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how much more do we need and let's do some different things let's go explore the world i
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haven't i haven't seen the rest of the world i haven't seen europe i want to do this when my kids
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are small and that's when the resistance started and i was like what is going on so she said we got
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to you you're not happy you we got to go see a shrink so we went together and then after a while
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she was like you know i'm just frustrated trying to explain to this guy and her why we should do
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this now and i probably wasn't the best communicator whatever they convinced me i should go on prozac
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oh they put you on antidepressants yeah yeah and i did not want to i was like i'm not depressed
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yeah i'm pissed i did i just i just want to go on a sailboat from time to time man that's my
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medicine i don't need these pills well yeah well i wanted to park all the jobs we have and take the
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kids and introduce them oh got it man yeah totally but but instead you got put on like antidepressants
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right because you're you know yeah you know imagine that you're married you know you've done the
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right thing your entire life you've raised a family you've built a business you're loaded you've
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got a plane you've got multiple houses you got vacation houses and it's like you just want to
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sail a boat and and you go to a therapist and the guy's like here take these pills and shut up
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dude i wasn't even asking for life i was asking for a year yeah one year i said let's just go for a
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year and we'll find a boat somewhere i don't know i'll figure it out i figure everything else out
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i mean my god i've i've you know i've done all this stuff and build houses on hillsides in the
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middle of winter i'm starting to get some wind from your mic i don't know if you can move closer
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to the cabin okay so um so i have that yeah yeah that's better sit on my sit on my toolbox is better
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so i um i realized okay so this is classic 10 years more go eight years more go by oh we moved
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by the way after that 10 that was part of the deal i said all right you want me to go tell you what
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i'll make a deal i'll take your prozac but we're moving to central california that's the deal because
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that'll be like a halfway and i'm going to call it my boat so i bought 10 acres 1331 tiffany ranch
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road look it up and see how beautiful that property is it's on you know realtor.com or whatever 1331
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tiffany ranch yeah and uh just it's gorgeous place i've built so many beautiful places from beginning
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to end by the way my my my production flow of my life over 30 years on an average of every 120 days
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so think where you were four months ago what are we now we're december 14th so that'd be august
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september october november december so from august 14th where were you middle of summer and now it's
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december 14th august september october november december yeah in that time every 120 days for 30
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years i would produce a property like that and put it on the market is that it there
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that yeah you can see it from the sky and if you go on like the realtor.com thing you can see it
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there's probably beautiful pictures of it all built out yeah you know tiffany ranch road in san
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louis obispo yeah it's ranch yeah and anyway so you know it's uh but that's what i did and um
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so i i said look let's move down here because then i can call this i agree to that yeah she agreed yeah
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so we went so i mean you're all spaced out on these antidepressants yeah and they're kind of a joke
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because here's the thing for me anyway when i took prozac it slows you down it slows you down
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it makes you fat it takes away your sexual desire it does a lot of things to you yeah and and and
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actually i was still having a you know we'd still sex was fine it didn't really slow that down for me
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but it definitely like if a bomb went off behind me you need to turn around and go in the pocket and
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you know let's fight back you give a shit and i was like why is this good and so i i uh i was like
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yeah whatever and i tried to go off of them sometimes and it's horrible in your brain anyway
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this guy dr cherry is a renowned uh shrink in the bay area and he actually runs a place called the
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thunder road clinic in um oakland it's where a lot of wayward kids end up and so he he uh kind of sets
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policy on that so his name is you know he's a upstanding guide so of course we go to him
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and um all right so we take drugs and then we move away i do want to talk about the boat duane and i've
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got like 25 minutes left because i gotta hop on another call so i just wanted to make sure we have
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enough time to talk about the boat and the new lifestyle too so i'll get you there so i end up
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uh eight years later i get this phone call and i get hey somebody i know needs to build a house up
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in oakland and i needed to work because the middle of the recession and so i get these plans and i bid
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them i don't even know who it's for it's this beautiful house uh in oakland or in orinda modern
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and the guy finally gets the bid and then he calls me and he says hey i got your bid it's amazing it's
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like a million and a half bucks and and he says and i start i go hey man i recognize your voice
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i go wait a minute this your plans say schwinn cherry okay you're david you're my old shrink
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he goes he goes yeah i was like oh that's your wife's name schwinn he goes yeah so we hyphenated
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schwinn cherry i'm like okay and i said well wait a minute is this okay i build your house because yeah
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you know you want i mean are you okay with it i said yeah you know whatever so it's a good house
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and i need the money and so we let's do this so we do yeah 18 months goes by one day i walk into his
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house it's like 80 done and i just look like hell and he goes what's the matter i said i'm getting a
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board he goes oh my gosh now the thing is when you build someone's home you get to know them better
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than anybody else like better better than their shrink would because they people confide things
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in you when you build their home that they wouldn't even confide would you learn well how he treats his
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wife how he thought about marriage how he perceives himself to his kids his relationship to other people
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because people present themselves that way through their homes how they want their car to be seen in
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the driveway how they um and you know even pitting themselves against their spouse like
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wait don't you think the fork knife would be better on this side than that side even though his wife
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wants it on the other side it's like oh you're going to use me for your battles fight your own battles
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okay it's quite the lesson yeah so this happens all the time in custom as i say not as i do sort of
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thing yeah yeah so then i started looking at this guy going you're the one who was counseling us
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yeah okay that day i walked in i said what's up i said i'm getting a divorce he's like oh my god
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that's horrible i'm so sorry you know well can you finish my house yeah i'll get your house finished
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so after i finished it last day he gives me my final payoff check and i said hey come here
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i want to step off your property walk over and i said all right this is the property line right i go
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i'm done with your house right because yeah it's beautiful i love it everything's perfect okay
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and i said and and you and i have no more business after this yeah i said all right so you hand me the
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money so he gives it to me off the property and i said okay i want to ask you something now that
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we're on we're neutral man standing on neutral property do you think you did the right thing
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eight years ago prescribing me that after you know me now and he said no i said thank you
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so basically he had the wool poles over his eyes because now he got to know me mano a mano building his
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house right and how i managed stuff and sure i'd yell at the drywall hanger someday say what the fuck
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you're doing you know you're upside down but he knew some people just don't respond in the other
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way and then he saw the stresses of spending a couple million bucks you know it's the hardest thing
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you'll ever do in your life probably the biggest asset you'll ever own and he got nervous too and many
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times i had to calm him down so so then he was like oh i got it he realized he'd been juked by the system
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so these guys know what they're doing it's you know it's about it's about their priorities and i
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always tell guys to be very cautious when it comes to therapists because like like even today it's worse
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than what it was back when you were dealing with it because now even the apa has guidelines basically
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telling therapists and counselors to treat men as if they're toxically masculine right that that it's
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always going to be you as a problem so even back then they still treated you as a problem
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okay so here's the thing that i didn't realize then that was a setup oh because now she's got
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this thing that says oh he was on drugs oh that's why she wanted you on the yeah that's why she jumped
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up and down and pointed the finger and i was like gotcha that's what's going on well let's switch gears
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and let's talk about today because i mean okay that's that's everything that led you up to where you
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are right now so now you're in your late 50s uh i believe you're 53 okay so i i get out i walk you're
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50 you're 53 and you head out to turkey to buy this no bad boy over here i yeah no i didn't leave until
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i was 57 56 oh 56 okay because i got out of the the divorce the it ended up being a two-year
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divorce of of um um she sued me then for a fiduciary breach to not show up to work
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that was the part i never got to oh my god right so that it's two years of course how how long did
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this all go on for with the whole divorce two years it was two years to untie the knot yeah and i walked
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to zero and you walked out of it was zero so she got everything she got the kids she got the business
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she got the houses she got everything uh-huh and you basically had to like walk away from all of it
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just to get away from it all right so the deal i cut is called a global settlement and i said all right
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i can see the system it could drag me back into court any day they want and for just make something up
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so you had to terminate any access to that so you did a global settlement so you actually walked
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away with zero zero you gave her everything how did you how did you make the money to to buy the
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sailboat because i'm like okay something like so i had a lot of debt cost like 400 grand right that's
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right yeah so i got uh i had we had debt in the company about million and a half bucks and all the
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investors wanted it back well she had it worked out to where either i had to pay it back or i
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didn't have to pay it back at all because it was four years old i didn't have to and i said well
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that's not right and she just walked away from it so i told the guys i said look if you extend my
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line to credit i'm gonna go make it back and i'm gonna pay you back but you gotta let me make money
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at the same time okay so you built a few more houses to raise the money exactly got it okay so i did
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that so three three four years and then i start looking and i and i i searched everywhere i bought
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a boat in the meantime lived on it in the in san francisco i bought a hunter 42 but that wasn't big
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enough and it wasn't strong enough and then strong enough for blue water sailing is what you're saying
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well you can blue water sail it but it's just uh i wanted something heavier okay because when you're
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sitting like right now at anchor like i am those little swells come in and throws you around
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the difference a paradigm jump once you get to 50 feet that's about as big as a single-handed guy
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would want to handle okay we have bow thrusters which is a motor in the front to push the nose
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back and forth when it gets windier and you're going in and out of docks and stuff but if if it's
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a small you know if it's like 45 feet the weight of a 45 footer is maybe 12 times the weight of my boat
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is 18 times so it's a huge because you get it doesn't just get longer it gets wider and deeper
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you know kind of grows at the cube right and now you get over 18 tons and it gets really unmanageable
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and for one for one person you have to have a crew and i wanted the ability to single hand if i need to
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okay so and i mean like this is a boat uh wait hang on a second let me add it to this so this is
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the boat here right yep i mean that's not your boat obviously but that's a model of veneto 50 yeah
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okay yeah and um it can just give us like a quick tour as you're oh yeah as you're talking about it
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because i've got maybe 20 minutes left so maybe just walk us around do i want to turn the screen
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around or do i want to keep yeah yeah yeah you just turn the screen around and just you know kind of
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give us a quick tour of it and i got some questions for you about boating too because
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it'd be like okay leave my calm how do i turn a mic calm uh you should have like on your screen
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or if you can't then just hold it up and sort of turn it around the other way i'm not without
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losing it maybe okay so you might lose here's the the dual wheel yeah and uh all of the instruments
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you could ever want you could have and it's got autopilot and oh my god yeah too so yeah autopilot
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kick-ass like you can sleep and it'll just kind of steer itself and avoid like shipping lanes and
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everything well well you can yeah you could program it to go to sail any way you want and okay but we
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have a thing called ais which is pretty common in in um boats now just basically it shows up on the
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screen where the boats are and it tells you where you know tells them where you are as well let me walk
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you up on the bow and show you around so this that's the actual cathedral of uh the palma cathedral
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not a beautiful building amazing right okay another guy anchored here that's uh majorca right yeah this
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is palma de mallorca palma of mallorca so this is an extra bag is a jenniker it's got a single jib it's
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a sloop design it's about uh 65 foot tall mass what does it cruise at in like you know decent winds like
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i notice a lot of sailing videos that i watch like they're usually doing like six or seven knots they
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seem to be pretty happy yeah yeah if i got it tooled up and the wind is perfect and it's nice long
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reaches like this summer my son came and we sailed from uh rome to sardinia together just me and him
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and the dog and we had the jenniker up the whole day and we were averaged eight and a half knots
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that was an amazing run so generally if you're getting six all the time you're really happy if
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you get eight all the time you're really happy for this size of a boat boats go at the square root of
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the length and heat and and a boat like you're on i mean it's basically a house on the water so it's
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like you see the racing boats where it comes up on a hydrofoil and it's like blasting across the waves
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doing like 70 knots sometimes not even close like this is not really designed to comfortably plow through
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the ocean and well because you got so much shit you need to bring right i mean just for example
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look at the size of the thing well you can't see the anchor because the anchor is in the water
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but in this compartment it's a bunch of chain i have 150 meters of chain right that's like weighs so
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much and and uh it's just it's a tank right now you can get it like living on a boat what's it like
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living on a boat like is it is it like a dream or it's a yeah it's beautiful it's like what's the best
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part my bed is always there and people everybody especially in the mediterranean well everywhere
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you're going to sail is the sailing community right you would not believe how many people here
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dream of doing this and but they don't do it so i'm like almost rare there's in the world
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i think there's only maybe 10 000 cruisers i don't mean people who sail on the weekend that's
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nice too it's all good but to actually what's a cruiser if you can define it is that somebody that's
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like pretty much always living on their boat yeah you're full-time you're living on your boat full
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time that's your home and you're working your way around the world are you single now or do you have
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like you know like a woman in your life women in your life or yeah what's that like i mean you just
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kind of like go into port and you just you know go for a drink and you see who's there and you
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chat them up and take it from there well that happens and i've i had a girlfriend on here for a
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while for about a year and a half and she that was the english one the yogi uh-huh yeah okay exactly
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and she was awesome and uh uh but she wanted to run her business from land so i see her uh sometimes
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and and we're still friends uh we have a great relationship but she's definitely not wanted she
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doesn't want to sail around the rest of the world she doesn't own a piece in your business she's not
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going to stop it from you it's it's comfortable yeah yeah nothing like that and i've had other you
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know i meet girls and some of them stay for a week some for a month um and uh there's you meet
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people on there are dating kind of websites where you talk about where you might go and and people
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reach out for sailors yeah kind of yeah there's it's actually uh yeah kind of um but uh they really
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want to sail you know so it's so i mean if you got a boat then then you're in a good position to say
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hey you know i'm gonna do a passage from right here to here so yeah let me ask you this question
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because i've i don't know if you're familiar with this channel it's called sailing doodles
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i haven't seen that one so so this guy bobby was a pilot and he had a i think he had a heart
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condition or a stroke or something like that so he wasn't able to fly so he's like fuck it i'm just
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gonna buy a boat and i've been watching his channel for the last couple years and all he does
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is he basically does these passages with women and he's got this rotation of different women that
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show up on the boat he never indicates in the videos whether or not he's intimate with them but
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yeah but i mean like you get the gist that something's going on but yeah he's got this
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constant rotation and i've reached out to him i said hey dude you know i've been watching your
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channel you know i do this podcast i'd love to have you on to sort of talk about this life
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but he won't confirm a conversation because i'm guessing he wants to keep it on the down low
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right or maybe it's because of stuff that i talk about but like what is what is sailing lifestyle
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like you know in that sort of environment like are they basically just like dealing with different
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women from port to port and they're just having like a smash fest and they go through another
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rotation or what's that like some guys can't yeah that yeah that that can definitely happen um
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that's a nice boat you're on man you know but that's a really nice interior yeah i was
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going to show you the inside i'll just answer that a little bit so this is uh my camera gear
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i have a big old uh long range lens because everything's far away on the boat um there this
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thing is really cool it's an entertainment center yeah i'll pull this out of the way it's my dog
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that's athena and um you push this up this is a lot of fun it's got oh it pops up out of the
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center yeah okay the tv and and then it's got a nice galley too yeah till a galley and you know all
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the food you could ever want to keep you can keep cases of beer in there like under the floors it's
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the water makers under here and i got how many um how many staterooms oh there's three so uh this
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is uh a set of bunk beds which i just keep it you know put your crap in there sometimes i have five
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or six people on board and that's fine and then we use it as a regular bunk room and uh this is
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bathroom this is a nice stand-up shower lots of hot water almost never run out
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and mirrors everywhere they're very clever the way they've designed everything
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is that a french boat by the way yeah it is you can tell yep and then this is master
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and that's at the bow yep i love my bed the best part about being on here is this bed is always
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there waiting for you i go out and party or i'm sleeping or i surf or
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you just take everything you have with you everywhere you go and see the whole world
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and you're in your um like your boat's basically your house and your dinghy is essentially your car
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right yep that's right and you can stay in okay um you can stay in marinas which i just did for the
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last week in fact because i had to do some work on the boat um and it costs in the this is a really
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expensive place this is probably one of the more expensive marinas and all of the what does it cost
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the night europe during the winter time they were charging me 60 euros a night so a couple thousand a
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month but that's really anything to anchor no you don't i so i mean if you have an anchorage you just
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drop anchor yeah you're good but storms come man you better find a good anchorage now but most of the
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time it's not an issue and uh and the other thing is like this lifestyle there's always like where i'm
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going to go next week i'll be down in the canaries and i'll drop anchor and because i have this this
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setup where it's easy for people to hang out and be outside and be part of the do you have like curtains
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where you can seal it to keep the weather out oh yeah yeah yeah and and uh so people come over to my
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boat it's a very social place like you know you might think oh yeah i get that vibe it's it's like
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you might think it's isolated but it's not isolated at all it's it's very a community
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community oriented people will grow up and they'll tie off their boat other dinghies and
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and we'll have a party and i cook all the time and i make dinners and and we have the the sound system
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on this thing is off the charts i wish i had like another half hour to an hour to talk to you about
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this but i but i've got to wrap up because i got to get ready for this new next one i want to ask you this
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maintenance on a boat because one of the things that really strikes me about the cruising lifestyle
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is whenever i'm watching videos on youtube shit always seems to be breaking it's like every
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frick it's like the motors broke like i noticed in one of your videos you had to pull out the motor
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and get it rebuilt that cost 20 grand put it back in like you basically have water makers you have
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refrigeration you're making up electricity you have to store electricity you have to you have sewage
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it's a house on the water yeah how much like within the course of a month how much time do you spend
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every month maintaining the boat because i'm really curious about that because probably about three or
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four days three or four days straight yeah just over not straight but but but does that include
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raising sales lowering sales you know oh no no no no no no no no no this is just fixing stuff that
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has to be fixed so you've got three or four days in a month that you're fixing shit yeah yeah yeah
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you're always fixing something and some shit breaks all the time okay yeah oh fuck yeah so that's
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about 13 of your month you're spending oh yeah yeah you got to know how to fix stuff and this keeps a
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lot of boats so you got to be a plumber an electrician general handyman or you pay people
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oh there's plenty of guys will do it for a fee it's not hard to find people to work on a boat if
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you're in these mars right but but it's going to cost you man if you got a lot of money i mean hey
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these big super yachts guys just pay people to do it yeah but i mean a 50 footer i mean is is
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is basically a one-man job if you're on it three to four days a week let me ask you one more question
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yeah um are you familiar with solar powered yachts like uh companies like solar yachts and aquion and
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all sort of stuff yeah what do you think of those like does that solve much of the problem of
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maintenance plus you know raising lowering sales and waiting for weather no no in fact
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because i mean the only downside is this it's hard to store enough energy to sit to motor a long way
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yeah that's what i understand because as i'm doing the research like it seems like
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if you want to cruise constantly you're doing it at like less than five knots maybe three or four knots
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which is which is kind of pointless right it's scary it is pointless and it's scary because
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if you get close to the shore there's been a handful of times when i am so glad i have an engine i was
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down in morocco man and i was swinging into rocks and i was gonna hit the rocks and god damn it you
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better have a great engine right right now now if you what if your batteries are low right like no
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well those boats have a generator on like you have a generator okay you can turn on you you can recharge
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the batteries if the sun's not giving you enough juice if it's a cloudy day i love electric it's that
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you know nobody wants to carry diesel it stinks it gets wet you have to filter it and the water filters
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all the problems with diesel and they have you know we've had them forever and we still haven't
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solved all the problems with them so electric i would say double thumbs up i would not poopoo it i
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i think they're probably still in the learning phases i mean of your purist i'd say go for it
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how much of your um maintenance days would be cut off with a solar power you know like electric yacht
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would it would it go from three or four days down to one to two or one day no no no the engine isn't
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the issue no no no the engine's not the problem but the i never think about my engine except when i
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replace it i never think about it now it's all the little shit water maker refrigerator washer dryer
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refrigerator motor stops the the the this this um uh stereo i've replaced it three times the speakers
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corrode out the the wires get corroded there's motors these are motorized winches to pull
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those motors fail the gearbox fails they uh hinges the uh that you know the under the water
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the barnacles grow you got to go and scrape the bottom you got to repaint it i spent an hour under
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the water two days ago scraping the bottom do you do that with scuba gear or do you have yeah yeah yeah
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i got no i mean you could but and it takes an hour to scrub the bottom do you do it by hand or
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do you have that like uh by hand device that spins around and no no no i was well actually i detailed
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the prop is what i did okay because i've been sitting for a while so little barnacles and you
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lose about a knot yeah yeah yeah so i scrub it and i take a i take a bright pad scotch bright you know
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just get it detailed and stuff like that so so so here's a big question that is it all worth it
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and that's one of my things mark manson have you read mark manson stuff yeah yeah okay so he has
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it a chapter in there about fuck yeah okay if it ain't fuck yeah i ain't doing it yeah and so that's
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that's that's my dating profile now by the way too and so does crazy shit and does answer your
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question about this crazy shit happen more with women on boats than anywhere else i don't think any
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more than anyone else because it's it's uh you know it people one one side of it is people are
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a little bit freaked out you really have to have a good honest trusting relationship but the girl's
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got to really really really trust you to come on to a boat because she's got nowhere to run so you
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can't come on to him in a weird way you know because then you don't want him to get so uncomfortable
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yeah i mean like you really got to vet him too because if you're gonna do like a 10-day passage you
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don't want to be stuck in a boat with a whack job exactly exactly and i interview the shit out of
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people and that's something i've learned over the last few years i don't think anything's gotten me
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better at learning about people than than doing this um because of of being yeah but it is
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bitches you are gonna love it and and i would absolutely positively suggest you do it so uh oh i
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don't know if i can give myself a plug yeah i was just gonna say you know before we sign off um
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follow dwayne's instagram it's grateful underscore travel um he also has a youtube channel was which
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is linked in his link tree and and some interviews or not interviews but like some podcast recordings
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that he's done for himself is there anything else that you want to shout out to before yeah okay so
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i do i i would love to have people on in the summer um and well actually all during the year
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and uh you can uh i can i can take you or a group up to five people and i'm gonna be doing the canaries
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this summer i'm going back to greece so if a bunch of guys or a couple of couples want to come on
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give me a shout i can give you the tour of a lifetime for a week how much that costs for a week roughly
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a couple grand a week i'm gonna take you up on that man yeah yeah it's a bargain relative you
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go buy a boat and do it you realize but i just love doing it right i just this is not a retirement
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program for me i mean i'm retired but cool uh you will not make money doing this on a boat
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but i just love having people on the right people i bet them out so and the best way for them to find
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you is uh just to dm you through instagram yeah okay guys there you go dwayne i really want to thank
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you for uh carving out some time and sharing your own personal story and you know getting vulnerable
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on some of that shit because that was some weird shit by the way yeah thanks and i mean like the
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light's fading so it's not going to work for very long for us here anyway but uh great great story
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you know loved hearing about the sailing lifestyle i will definitely stay in touch if anybody wants to
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connect with you um find him on instagram and uh hey if you want to sail the mediterranean
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um he seems like a good guy i'll you know i'm certainly going to be open to it if i can travel soon