064 - Steve Sims - The Real Life Wizard of OZ
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Summary
In this episode of the Playing the Wind Podcast, I am joined by a very good friend of mine, Steves Simons. We talk about the origin story of how he became a biker, how he got into the biker scene, and how he went from a humble beginnings as a bricklayer in London to becoming one of the most powerful bikers in the world.
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all right guys welcome back to the 64th installment of the playing the wind podcast
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today i'm joined with steve sims how you doing brother i'm doing well thank you excellent i
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have a whole bunch of notes here that i want to go over with you and you are
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in my estimation probably one of the most underrated guys out there um that publishes
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content short videos youtube like your youtube channel is very small but it's one of the ones
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that when something shows up my feed i'll just kick back sometimes throw on the console and
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something will come in the feed it's like oh steve's got something to say and it's a five minute
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powerful talk and i found it very useful so i wanted to bring you on today and and show you
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to my audience um i'm going to kind of summarize how i came to know you and then i want you to sort
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of do your batman origin story because i mean you came from very humble beginnings as a bricklayer
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in east london and you've done quite a few interesting things so the last time i saw you
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and uh we were talking about this before i went live was i was in napa valley at an event that our
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mutual friend jason gainard puts on called mastermind talks and we were sitting at a fireside chat and this
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was actually one of the catalysts that got me motivated to run this youtube channel i don't know
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if you remember but after well let me tell you tell these guys a story so we're sitting there in
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front of philip mckernan and if you don't know who he is you can look him up again another underrated
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guy that doesn't get a lot of views but has a powerful message and um i can't remember if you
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were sitting beside me or across from me but um mckernan said something that that made me well up
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like i just started bawling like a little bitch basically and it was and it was because i was
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hung up on what i was doing with youtube and i had just started this uh channel it was probably
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within a year of me just starting this channel it was may 24th um 2014 i believe if i'm not mistaken
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and i was like i got to do something different i can't stand my business i feel like i got to do
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something and we were talking about um i guess leaning into your gift you know that's mckernan's
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thing yep still is probably anyway so it it just became painfully obvious that i needed to kind of
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lean into that a little bit more and that's how i kind of mashed up the ideas of um basically starting
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it out with hanging out with entrepreneurs and their success rides and kind of mashing up those two
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things idea sex like james altucher talks about and then turn into something and it's pivoted
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into so much more you know for me since then um now your story is well i'll let you tell it but i
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mean you started out as a bricklayer in east london uh then you kind of lied your way into a stock market
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job ended up in hong kong got fired very quickly did bounce like tell the story because i mean you do
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it so much better than i do i don't think the word lie i think i was just creative with the truth
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okay you've got some truth yeah i think my my name my home address and possibly my birthday
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i wouldn't even guarantee that were accurate on the resume um but yeah i was a i was a bricklayer
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from east london and i remember one day and if anyone's watching this you know they they already
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can see that i'm a 250 pound of biker simple as that always have been always will be um and i used
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to go down to the local pub with all the other bikers and i remember being in that room and
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realizing that everyone in that room was a broke-ass biker and i realized that you're always a
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combination of the room that you are in so that's me i'm a broke-ass bike though as long as i stay in
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this room that is what i am so i didn't want to be that person i wanted to be something better i want
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and this was in the 80s where we had wall street the movie and all these guys and there was all this
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opulence being talked about and rolex and of course we didn't have instagram to show us how
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you know inadequate our life was back then but you know we were watching james bond and we were
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watching uh wall street and all of these movies and all these far away destinations that i knew i would
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never visit and never naturally be around as long as i stayed in that room so i tried to change the
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room i was in and it led me on a journey of discomfort um discouragement uh being fired and a friend of mine
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once uh that got a job in a banking organization he actually said to me they're doing a big hiring
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platform for hong kong um come on in you know we'll we'll talk to you you know they'll they'll train
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you up and then you could possibly get a apprentice stockbroking position in hong kong in the new office
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so i turned up there were about 200 people sitting in this room and they literally just grabbed like
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60 of us and gave us the job to go to and in my resume i wanted it to be funny because i had
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nothing to be in there i even wrote in there a paragraph about how i was relating to the queen
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of england this i wanted you to read this resume and realize it was bollocks but just kind of smile and
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go well the guy the guy made me laugh i'll give him a shot that's what i was going for so it was
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greater fiction than harry potter they didn't read it they literally didn't read it they
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literally looked around obviously there had been some kind of connection with me and him
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so they just let me through the net 60 of us went over to hong kong 60 of us did orientation
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in the shangri-la on the monday and on the tuesday i was fired so they they realized i had no but now i'm
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in hong kong what did they fire fire you for like what did they pick up on when they said right this
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guy's not a good fit oh yeah you know where do you the funny thing was was we were in the shangri-la
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or uh shangri-la hotel for orientation on hong kong island and then on the tuesday we were taken into
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uh um victoria harbour for where their office was and as i came into the reception you had to get your
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badges that was the first time we'd been in the office because the day before we were in the conference
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room of the hotel so you went in to get your credentials they didn't give me my credentials
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they literally went um could you speak to so-and-so they're waiting for you in the boardroom so
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again 250 pound a biker i'm in there with a 99 suit on and i walk into this room and there's two guys
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that were smaller than me if they were combined and they're both looking at me and they know they're
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they're gonna fire me because they've obviously done some checking they've looked at the resume
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they looked at the tests that i was doing the day before and realized i knew nothing and they were
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like um we were just completing our file mr sims um where was your series seven license we can't seem
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to find it here and i went i don't have one of them and in england you can get one that was an 11
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that was similar to the american version of this this series seven and they went oh yeah i forgot you're
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from england you probably got the 11 now i don't have that either and of course they're both looking
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at me they both know that they're firing me but they're both looking at each other going you tell
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him no you tell him no yeah and we're getting and in that moment i just smiled because you knew it was
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happening you knew it was coming and everyone just started laughing and the guy looked at me in the
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middle laugh and he went you know you're fired don't you and i went yeah i know and he went what
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were you thinking i said i just wanted to try something i never want to be the guy that doesn't
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try and he said well here's a little bit of good news because we got you over here we have to even
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though we fired you today give you your three month salary and you get the apartment for three months okay
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so i'm like yeah now the apartment that's what got you in the nightclub business and i want you guys
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to stick around because i mean the story is going to get real good because i mean he's the kind of
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guy that i mean he runs parties for guys like elton john if you want to go down and see the titanic
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it's been arranged you want to get on the stage with your favorite rock band you can make it happen so
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this is this is most definitely a plane to win story that definitely deserves a place on this uh
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playlist so you're in hong kong and then you kind of pivot to something else because you got to sort your life
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out from there you got to sort your life out uh i tried loads of things failed uh so i became very
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educated on what i couldn't do um ended up being in the nightclub one night and literally just thought
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like all entrepreneurs this is it this is it this is my basement uh i left a noble profession
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of being a masonry of being a bricklayer a proud industry and now i'm just in the middle of a nightclub
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in wanchai trying to get drunk and quite simply that night honestly i wanted to fight
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uh i was very depressed i was very upset with my life my wife was still in england and i was lying
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to her that everything was going well because of course i was still getting paid this is still the
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same woman that you're with today yeah we met when we were 16 and 17 so you know we celebrate 37 years
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this year i think um but um literally there was a bit of trouble inside the club and the lady asked me
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would i sort it out and i thought why are you asking me i've got nothing to do with this pub
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and she turned around she said well you're big and ugly you know if you sort it out i'll pay for
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your drinks and she had me at that so i went all right so i saw i became the doorman now here's where
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a pivotal twist happens entrepreneurs and we're based on the old dr sean stevenson statement
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we look at things under two ways did it happen for us or did it happen to us now i'm on the front of a
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nightclub where my job description is to punch people and i had the chance like my other meat heads
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to just avoid as many fights as i could and then go home with the tips and takings from the night
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or could i make this better for me i suddenly realized i had an incredible pedestal to human
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psychology to watch people interact with each other you know you've seen people and you know
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me and you have been in a lot of the same circles you know people that are really wealthy the way that
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they talk handle themselves walk around interact and then you've got those people that are pretending
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you know the guy that's bought a new watch and he's got his left sleeve rolled up just so you can
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notice his new watch the rich guy couldn't give a shit and i remember um giuseppe risi the guy that
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owns the largest ferrari dealership in texas said to me once the guy that turns up to a ferrari dealership
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in a suit on a saturday can't afford one the guy that turns up in shorts and sandals on a tuesday
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he's on his third so i suddenly got to see how people interacted and then i started trying to
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have conversations with them and the manager would see me not only protecting the front door but now
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walking around the club only to the booths going hey guys you having a good night you know what you
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up to and interacting with them and almost doing his job you know when you're in a restaurant now and
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the manager asks you having a good night i was doing that because i wanted to have the conversation
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and then i would get people saying to me oh are you going to that party or do you know about that
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nightclub or do you know about that concert and i realized very early on if i could be the solution
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to your problem you didn't care what i look like so if i could get you into this club if i could get you
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into the release of a new cartier line if i could get you into the unveiling of a new mercedes or into an award show
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i had your attention for one i'm going to charge you because if they don't pay they don't pay attention
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but my whole goal was a trojan horse i launched the world's largest concierge firm because i wanted
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to have a conversation with you the day after and ask you why you were successful and i wasn't
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i wanted to get educated and that's what happened and then you turned into this uh connector of people
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and that's where the bluefish brand came from i think it was kind of like a secret word to get
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into the clubs yeah i used to have these little stupid words i used to like to have people smiling
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as they walked into an event so i would always say like okay uh tonight's event it's at the dock
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at eight o'clock when you see the doorman your password is you've got to name one of the
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teletubbies you know or you've got to you've got to name um uh a big bird's mate from sesame street
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and so people would literally walk up i guess wasn't it yeah so people would literally walk
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up to the doorman and go snuffleupagus and they go oh in you go now here's the thing look at you rich
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the amount of people that walk into the club smiling and giggling because they've just said
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a silly word yeah i had never any trouble in my party and of course more you imagine it's almost
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like you're pumping a drug into a party everyone that walks through the door now someone actually
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said this to me one day about that was my secret sauce and as entrepreneurs we usually don't know
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what we're good at until we're you know it's brought to our attention but someone said to me they said
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we always love the front door the inside front door of your clubs because the enthusiasm that
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bleeds through it is is contagious and i didn't know what they want about if you ever go to a club
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or a bar and the door opens everyone looks at the door but no one's smiling that kind of scope who's
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coming in is it a hot girl is it a threatening guy you know who is it you know this is this is almost
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like um aggressiveness to who's coming through the door but in my events everyone was always
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coming through the door smiling and so they always loved it i ended up throwing these events i ended up
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working for oh my god the any you think about planet from the macau fashion week milan palace and new
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york uh when it was seventh on six and it was brian park in the in the tents the grammys the new um
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the uh elton john's oscar party uh the um palm beach art fair the florida boat show mtv awards super bowl
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i've worked for the biggest largest events in the planet and i've ended up working on their marketing
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and branding as well and that's why i've got sims media now but uh i worked on all of those
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only to be able to get into the rooms i needed to be because back then we didn't have podcasts you know
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back then we didn't have instagram back then we didn't have you know youtube channels we didn't
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have any of the environments for us to be able to receive this information from so i had to create a
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reason to be able to have a conversation with elton john mitchard branson john paul de joria you know
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elon musk you know name them i created experiences to be able to have that conversation and then i use
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the information i got to make sure i was successful from it you said early on that one of the pivotal
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thinking uh i mean one of the ideas that you said was that if you're not the smartest guy in the room
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you're in the wrong room yeah oh absolutely absolutely so sorry if you're the smartest guy
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in the room you're in the wrong room so yes at that point you like how how significant was that
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decision for you to put yourself in in smarter rooms as far as you leveling up becoming this guy
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that you are today uh it's never changed i actually rice i race motorcycles now um and i'm a i'm a pretty
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good uh racer but every time i go to an event i find people that are better than me and i get into that
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group and i race against them and i lose every single race that i go into because i constantly up my game
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and i could go back to my people that i was racing against six months ago four months ago a year ago
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and nail them floor them like they're not even on the same track but that doesn't help me grow and so
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every time i get into an environment i look at the environment and i will look around and i go okay
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are these people superior to me are they smarter are they sharper what do they bring to me that that i don't
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have a different viewpoint an argumentative opinion anything that can help me change my perspective
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and if it's not in the room i've actually gone to events before and by lunchtime gone home because
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i've gone this room doesn't push me awesome now um putting yourself in rooms like that so let's use
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the motorcycling analogy because i completely understand that i've ridden bikes i have a chapter in my
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book on motorcycles you know those that follow me know exactly what i'm talking about so we're
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definitely going to be talking about motorcycles on this podcast for sure now when you're in a
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uh group because i mean basically what you do is you titrate up right it's like okay you know you
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become the best in this series so it's like moving to the next one you're the worst in the group and
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you've got all these faster riders riding a bike fast is scary it's a lot scarier than driving a car
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fast because you have a lot more grip around the corners with your contact patches when you lean
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a bike you don't have the same level of contact on the road so chasing down faster riders is going
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to be scary right yep can i can i break the slate can i get on the power this early is my lean angle
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right like you're you're doing all these things that you're not consciously thinking about because
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you're just used to riding a bike that way the fear component of it is what i think holds a lot of
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people back how do you deal with the fear of putting yourself in a room where there's people that are
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better than you where you have to chase them down to get to their level how do you deal with that
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i think fear we all react to fear whether we like it or not we react to fear fear is a good thing okay
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but you need to understand how to reframe it i remember when i was a kid and this is one of those
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funny moments and i've got an i've got to back up to this story that is just going to make you wake
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yourself um i remember as a kid when i was a bricklayer with my at the time girlfriend i took
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her to the mecca of all men's movies point break now i'm in east london fast forward to where i live
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now i drive down the same streets where that movie was actually made and go to the same taco bar where
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that movie was shot but at that time the movie went through and there's a scene where they grab
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johnny utah and they're going to make him raid a bank and it's patrick swayze who's bode cypher
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bode and bode turns around to johnny utah in the back of the truck because they said because he says
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he's scared and he says hesitation a fear causes hesitation and hesitation will cause your worst fears
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to come true now i remember that being said in the in the movie house i can even tell you what movie
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house it was i never remembered the rest of the movie i literally had to go back a couple of days
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later to watch the rest of the movie because i was so in awe of that it's not the fear it's the hesitation
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and i remember when i used to do kickboxing and you get a punch in the head it's not like hollywood
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you don't go flying through the bloody window you know and so you you always realize that the fear isn't
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usually as large as what you've given it credit for and then there's the other side of it that says
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hang on yes i'm scared but what could possibly go wrong i'll tell you what could go wrong i could not
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try and remain here and joe polish actually said to me years ago coined it our best he said the
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definition of hell is to meet the man or woman that you could have been now you only could have
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been that person if you try i'll go around a corner i'll get it wrong i'll go off into the gravel
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hopefully i won't go flat side sometimes it happens you know you you're boxing someone someone gets a a
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smack through you go ah my guard needs work this is all education and so when you get back on it you go
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okay i lost it at that corner oh i got an uppercut here i've got to keep my elbow in here that's the
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education so for me it's not the fear in trying it's the fear of not now here's my little backup
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thing that make you pee yourself i was at a vip uh but thankfully because of my my branded and stuff
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like that everyone knows i'm heavily in the motorcycle so i get some pretty cool little things that i get
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involved in within different motorcycle companies i had a vip um race day the other day at a track
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called chuck waller in palm springs the guy sat next to me at the barbecue the night before
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keanu reeves yeah i saw that clip on your instagram of him riding his bike
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yeah so i actually told him about it and it was just hysterical that you know years i went from being a
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bricklayer in london years later i'm actually sat next to the guy that was in the movie that actually
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caused me to water my mindset funny little turn of events that's hilarious and um have you have you
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ridden his bike the company that he's found yeah the arch yeah yeah how is it it's uh it's a it's
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startling for a start um because i've also got a bunch of harleys um and you look at it and you go
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oh it's a harley it ain't uh it's a real light torquey twisty it's an incredible machine now if
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you're going to go on a racetrack i'm happier racing my ducatis than the arch um and in fact you know the
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archers can go up to over a hundred thousand dollars so i'm definitely happier riding my
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ducatis but um it's it's not it shouldn't be confused with a harley davidson it's it's way
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much more of a complicated and technical bike than that is it a four valve head on the arch or is it
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yeah it's an sns v2 okay um actually let's stay on bikes for a bit because i got a whole bunch of
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notes here it's you know since we're on it so i packed in riding bikes around 30 i'm 48 now
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right and i've moved to supercars um i still like bikes so like i have this itch that i want to
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scratch if you know what i'm saying it never really went away i kind of started riding bikes when i was
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18. what now the last bike i had was a zx7r ninja uh 99 i think it was one of the carburetor ones was
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the year loved it to bits did everything i could ever ask of it um the thing i notice about a lot of
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bikes today you know when i look at them is they're missing fairings everything seems to either
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gone the way of an ugly japanese bike or a ducati with you know with a fairing or it doesn't have
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a fairing i like the wind protection when i'm on the highway what's your recommendation i mean is
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there a ducati that you like i know that you're a big duck guy so i got seven so um i would probably
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say yes um my oldest one's a 1985 melee and my newest one is a v4r um superbike um so you know i i go
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through different things i would say that before you answered that question the first thing you need
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to know or the first thing you need to ask yourself is what is the experience you're trying to generate
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hey if on the station of speed you can go for an older unfair wind bike and you'll feel as though you
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go faster like you say about supercars all right so if you're in a ferrari and i work for ferrari and
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you go around a racetrack and you're doing 170 mile an hour in a ferrari and it's cool it's really
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really good but then you go around a corner in a shifter car at 30 mile an hour i've done that too
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and you're shitting your bits okay the reason is because you don't have the roll cage you don't have
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the protection you don't have uh a roof um you don't have the the the pleasure of all of that kind of
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cocoon you're now fully immersed that's one of the things about motorcycles especially with
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racetracks being out in the country you'll literally go around a corner and there'll be uh
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like i don't know some daisies in the field which you'll suddenly be able to smell because you've just
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got the helmet on you'll waft through this scent of like fresh cut corn or something now you don't get
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that experience so if you want the sensation of speed go for something older with no ferring if you
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want to go around a track fast then get the ferring and you'll still get the sensation because hey it's
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still only a piece of plastic but you'll be able to go faster on it there's a lot of bikes that are
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naked now because quite simply my v4r the speedo clicks off 180 it doesn't register above that
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because above that you shouldn't be looking at the freaking speedo so literally it just stops
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um and if you look at race bikes like mine it has a tachometer it doesn't have a speedo engaged when
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you've got it on the track yeah it's totally irrelevant so but i've i've been on i've been
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on my bike and i've done like 180 170 and it's it's brilliant and then i've been on naked what they
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call nakeds and street fighters and those kind of things doing 50 mile an hour slower and i'm
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immersed in more experience i've got more wind on my chest it's like going down the road looking out
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your front window at 80 mile an hour and then rolling all the windows down and looking at the
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grass next to you it's ground rush yeah i'm gonna have to write them both then all right let's oh here
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i got a i got a super chat here from igor and he's saying how important is storytelling for your
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business and i can answer that and i want to hear steve too as well but the reason why you're
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watching right now is because he's a phenomenal storyteller would you agree i have to today it's
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all about the story it's all about the why you don't need to have a story that that you know includes
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richard branson or ferrari or elon muck you don't need that your story could be your rags to riches it
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could be why you did this most entrepreneurs are in business because they started off pissed off
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they started off aggravated elon musk openly says i couldn't understand why it took five days
00:26:32.800
for me to transfer money from one us account to another us account it's not like someone turned
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up at five o'clock that night with a handbag of of cash and ran it across they literally it was no more
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than like a sequence of it was an email he couldn't understand it so to cure his aggravation he built
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paypal that was his story that was his why so he built an entire rocket company just because he wants
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to go to mars there you go entrepreneurs solved our problems and then find other people that have
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the same problem and invoice them for it it's as simple as that so yeah way to put it storytelling
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it's a big big thing yeah i was you know i was looking at some data because i'm just finishing up the
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details of a course that i'm working on and one of the things that i came across was that i think it
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was was it uh i think it was simon cynic uh that said something along the lines of the reason why
00:27:28.160
people buy from someone is because of their story i mean so the reason why somebody will choose going
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to the corner to buy a lemonade from a kid behind the stand versus the vending machine is because the
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kid has a story yeah right oh absolutely they want branding and this is where we're getting to this
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side um and i said to you earlier we ended up launching a branding company um purely based on
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this um the reason is everyone today and you can look at it why do people buy an apple computer
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instead of a pc because they feel as though it makes them cooler when you buy a mac over a pc
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why do you fly to england on british airways or virgin british airways you want to pretend you're royal
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virgin you want to think you're cool like richard branson there's a story and a brand behind
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absolutely everything today and if you don't have one then you become vanilla and you're just a
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transaction and amazon's already put you out of business you just don't know about it yet that's
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a good point speaking of royalty um you had a podcast or video somewhere that i came across once
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title of it was how the monarchy got branding run wrong can you talk about your position on the
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monarchy and their branding yes so they had yeah so i say what i think and quite often you know
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it just it just comes out there was all of this uh and this was when megan was uh um in england and
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there was all of this kind of talk about mason and she left and she did the oprah thing now do i think
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all of that media was handled well no could it have been done better hey we can always quarterback from
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our armchair um but you know they did what they did at the time the monarchy it it moves at the speed of
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a snail it now had the opportunity with a young international black lady to actually be within
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the royal family this was like the trifecta of call it would have brought the monarchy up to the modern
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day and they decided that she didn't fit in with them she needed to change rather than they need to
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change to her and there's a lot of companies out there that refuse to change on the times because
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hey that's how we've always done it and so it just kind of annoyed me that something as big as the
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monarchy could shit on a phenomenal opportunity like that and again i know i'm being very materialistic
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about it but i did a video on how how i think the monarchy screwed up probably one of the best
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branding opportunities they've ever had they've always seemed to do it with um you know relationships
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over time i mean even princess diana was almost shunned from the family i mean she was shunned from
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the family huh she was she was absolutely shunned from the family because she she didn't fit in the
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truck and the look i mean i mean they've always found found ways not to let them fit in right i mean
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like even um who was the king that uh let go of the throne because he was married to an american
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divorced simpson yeah um edwin simpson yeah yeah the trouble is if you want to look at a very restrictive
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closed-minded society and i can say this because i am one of them look at the british we loved we love
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the underdog story but we love to get them up high enough on a pedestal to then be able to knock them
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off and bearing in mind the class it was invented by the uk i remember when i would throw events i
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would literally get these these poor girls but that that their fathers were lords or duchess duke and
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there and they'd be like don't you know who i am i went to so look at giselle maxwell at the moment
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broke her husband he either committed suicide or killed but you know was a shady little guy very very
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wealthy lost everything but because of who she was and the social network she had she was able to
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continue in them the british upper um hypocrisy and upper class society is one that just can't be
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replicated anywhere else in the planet and that's probably a good reason why i don't actually live there
00:31:42.720
um you've kind of alluded to that you're very opinionated i mean you're loud you're does that get
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in get you into trouble today like i like i've i've caught a very strong feeling about a lot of
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silicon valley and tech guys and even entrepreneurs that lean very far left and it's like if you express
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an opinion like for example let's use the will smith slap you know from the other day because i know
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that you you know do some work you know with the academy and setting up parties and stuff like that
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what was your view of the will smith slap stupidity absolutely rocks part or on smith's part
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um smith smith smith 100 yeah look at it ellen tina fey uh ricky gervais for christ's sake have you
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ever watched any of his monologues for like the golden globes and what chris rock did it was a pretty
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mild joke it was it was a very mild joke okay and jada let's be blunt she looked absolutely fantastic
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with her hair she's got a beautiful face okay and they are actors and actresses for christ's sake they
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live for attention and chris gave it to them okay and what did what did will do will is probably one of
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the nicest guys out there i will say that you know unfortunately i i've worked with him a couple
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of times but the way he he markets and brands himself he's always branded as one of the nicest guys
00:33:12.080
out there he's always funny now that's a lot of that is an act because a lot of the time you don't
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want to be fun and friendly it's bloody work but he does a fantastic job at it and now he's just
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shit on his good guy image so part of me thinks will stupid the other part of me think damn what
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happened man for that split second you lost it you lost control and you did something stupid and of
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course we're now seeing the backlash and we're now seeing the oh the apologies and all these kind of
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stuff that's tough that's tough to wear so here's my question when it comes back into the loud opinion so
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i share the same opinion as you right but i mean there's a lot of people out there that uh
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gave will smith the standing ovation when he slapped chris rock for the mild joke
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um you know some people have said that that was a setup because the uh show doesn't draw eyeballs
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anymore and they wanted to manufacture indignation to draw attention to it like how do you deal with
00:34:09.200
the heat from people when you have a loud uh vocal opinion on subject matters like this beautiful you
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don't you see there are three kinds of people in the planet and one of them is terrible and they're
00:34:20.880
terrible because it's your fault okay line this up anyone out there with a pen and paper or you know
00:34:25.840
record this or whatever make a note of this there are three kinds of people there are the kind of people
00:34:32.000
that absolutely love you i guarantee you during this this live feed that we're doing there are people
00:34:37.920
that love the way i am my attitude my style they absolutely love it it's brilliant i guarantee you
00:34:44.000
there's also people on this feed that are probably left going rich you shouldn't have got this guy
00:34:48.800
on can't understand what he's on about i don't like the guy both of those are good because they saved
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me the effort i don't want to try and get someone hates me into my corner and i want that here's the
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third people the fence sitters those people that are sitting on the fence going i'm not sure about this
00:35:09.520
guy you know what's he trying to say you know i don't know what he stands for i'm confused about
00:35:15.680
this guy those are the fence sitters those are the worst people in the planet and nine times out of
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ten you've created them now if i'm out there and i'm saying shit about something or if i'm talking
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about branding or if i'm talking about speaking engagements or i'm talking about you know my opinion
00:35:33.280
on the will smith slap or the the british empire screwing up a marketing opportunity if i'm saying
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that it allows those fence sitters to go oh i agree with him or oh my god i hate him and i want to be
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able to push those people off onto one side or the other i don't want to take any effort in trying to be
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someone i'm not my effort is there to be able to work with the people that i choose to work with to be
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able to solve your problem it's never going to be on how i come across oh i've got to dilute this
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oh i've got to be a bit careful i'm not selling hamburgers i'm not a mass market product so i don't care
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have you have they tried to cancel you for anything like have they come at you for anything
00:36:20.000
every now and then i'll say something and and i run events and every now and then i'll get
00:36:25.040
i'll get something because i may have you know said uh said the wrong word or two or ten um but
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no because no one's ever really tried to attack me actually let me rephrase that i've not recognized
00:36:40.400
those people trying to attack me because if you ever noticed it was funny because doing the kind of
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things i was doing and the concierge industry i was always working with incredibly affluent people
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and i would get a lot of hate mail going how do you sleep at night you know and oh you're dealing
00:36:56.800
with these people and you should be putting your attention to charities and you should be doing
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this and stuff those people will never be my clients those people will never work with me
00:37:08.000
therefore i can't hear you you know now if if you've got jean-paul du jour you're real or must turn
00:37:15.120
around going hey sims why are you doing that yeah i'll pay attention now you're listening now i'm
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listening i've been saying that for years first yeah always always consider the source of the
00:37:25.920
criticism yeah yeah um now to kind of to kind of challenge you on that um three types of people
00:37:32.480
that you just mentioned i have a note here about um how how you've mentioned that you should focus on
00:37:37.680
your unsubscribers yes are essentially your detractors and previously you know you just said i can't hear
00:37:43.680
them they don't matter to me they're never going to be my customers so can you kind of explain what
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you mean about focusing on your unsubscribers yeah so what i've done is uh it started off just
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as a just as a test really you know um i would again i get a lot of people that i do coaching and
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branding with but every now and then i'll get people say something and then unsubscribe or cancel
00:38:06.800
me or walk away but they've made a comment they vocalized it the first thing i would do i was look at
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the source you know and if you find out that you're getting shit on from a 15 year old from
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the philippines you don't care but if it's a business owner and if mitch cooper is actually
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saying something that he doesn't agree and steve you're way off track and you're out then i want to
00:38:28.480
come to you and i'm like mitch i saw that it it triggered you so much that not only did you vocalized
00:38:34.960
you moved off you unsubscribed i i've got nothing to gain from this other than the education of
00:38:40.800
understanding why i would love to understand your perspective now no one ever goes for those people
00:38:47.440
no one ever talks to the unsubscribers no one ever talks to the haters they always say i you know
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you've got to be so successful you get haters and you should leave it alone i can't i absolutely love to
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get into that and so you would be surprised and i i don't know the exact figure but i would say a good
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30 percent of my coaching and branding clients came from people that argued about my methods
00:39:16.160
or my positioning or my style that then came back to me once we had that conversation they said you're
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right yeah you see what you do any relationship you want you have to have a trigger now
00:39:31.120
when you see your mate that tells good jokes you see him walk down the street you're enlightened to
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see him because you know that during the conversation with him he's gonna say something
00:39:40.400
funny and entertain you and you see someone else and you hate them you don't want to be anywhere near
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them you want to create a trigger now if you can take that trigger and convert it into a positive one
00:39:51.360
and nine times out of ten miscommunication now you said about have i ever been cancelled have i ever been
00:39:57.680
attacked all the time and i made a flippant statement which i shouldn't have said i said to
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you that i don't get cancelled because i don't care i care enough to care about who i am and what i say
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and that will attract those people that can see i may get it wrong but if i want to come to you
00:40:17.600
and go hey why do you think that you know what have i said that's triggered you what was it that you
00:40:22.960
disagreed with and the amount of times i've actually spoken to people i've gone do you know
00:40:26.800
you're right you're right i'm wrong and i've actually done a re-edit i've gone back and gone
00:40:31.600
i spoke to johnny and he's but he brought my attention to this concept of the conversation
00:40:37.280
stuff i want to become educated and that again is down to that growth of being the dumbest person in
00:40:43.680
the room and constantly be prepared to get educated but first of all where's the source
00:40:48.160
so there's going to be people watching this right now being like this guy can't get you down to the
00:40:53.680
titanic how does he get you on the stage of you know with a rock band can he can he really you really
00:40:58.960
seat you at the foot of michelangelo's david and you know feed you dinner while being serenaded by
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italian opera singer so how do you do all those things you know i mean like from a guy that came
00:41:09.840
from east london ended up in hong kong landed in the united states somehow like how do you do all those
00:41:15.120
things i dared to ask and and this that's a ridiculous off-the-cuff statement just like come
00:41:23.360
up with batshit crazy ideas and say hey i want to you know you contact the company that like does the
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i don't know the surveying of the titanic and say i've got a wealthy client that wants to see the uh
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shipwreck and what's wrong with that nothing i suppose no you see how many calls did you have
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to make though to make that happen uh well again the more people you know the easier the calls get
00:41:46.320
um but i i have a process okay and i'm actually writing and i can't pitch it because it's not
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even done yet but i'm in the process of doing my second book and i'm calling it go for stupid
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because you see what i do is every time i plan a goal i go for one that's so ridiculous
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you're gonna laugh at it i don't go for impossible goals because you've already stated it's a hurdle
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you've already stated a resistance i go for the ridiculous the sublime and the stupid and you
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mentioned the dinner i had a client of mine that said i want to have a great dining experience in
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florence that you can only do in florence so look at florence if you're in paris where would you where
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would you be for the entire planet to know that you're in paris eiffel tower yeah if you're in
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england buckingham palace or something in florence you've got to be careful because like the
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effusi could be confused and that's the big art gallery could be confused with like amsterdam or
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poland or again paris but the academia de galleria is the only museum in the planet outside of rome
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that has any work of michelangelo's david and the world's most iconic statue it's not the statue of
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liberty it is michelangelo's david and that's housed in this gallery so my stupid goal was if you're gonna
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have the most incredible meal in in florence at the feet of michelangelo's david in the museum to
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yourself a whole thomas crown kind of experience and i asked is there a picture of it if i google it
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online so i can just throw it up on the screen yeah uh i don't i don't know if there is actually
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um but uh i know i've got and i don't even know if i can uh text it to actually i'm i'm i know that
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we've been conversing through um uh through let me do this i don't want to take too long doing this
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but i literally dared to go into people and ask them if it could be done and nine times out of ten the
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weird weird weird thing happened oh hang on here it is i found it oh you found it yeah there's something on
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mine uh i can share it on the screen hold up window just make sure you got the right one that's it
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yeah that's it yep so i literally you can see the table right in front of it looks like there's four
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seats or six seats there's actually six seats uh you can just make out the little brown seats there
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were actually six seats that we set up um and that's it i actually did uh an entire um table uh for six
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people at the feet of michael andrew david shut the museum down from three o'clock in the afternoon
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until two o'clock in the morning and then like all entrepreneurs once we've got the green light for
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everything and everything's set that's usually when we try to see if we can fuck it up a bit
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so i was like okay and literally it was a sunday that i was asked to do this the dinner was on a
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wednesday and by monday night i had the academia and the chef all sorted and approved and so i had
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tuesday i had an entire day going what else could i do how could i make this just a little bit cooler
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and i was working with elton john at the time and i said who's the most famous italian singer and they
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went well andrea bocelli and i was like of course it is can you get me in touch with him god love him
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to come and sing at my client's dinner party and they did they actually made the introduction
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and i got andrea bocelli to come and serenade my clients um at uh the the defeat of michelangelo's
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david and i mean like you're the absolutely real deal i mean you're here with john travolta i see you
00:45:25.840
here with elon musk um you've rubbed shoulders with quite a few people this is your book over here by
00:45:31.520
the way too guys it's called blue fish and you should grab it the audio book's great uh steve reads it so
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i mean you can listen to his crazy voice uh you know singing the lyrics to you as you kind of go
00:45:40.720
through it but uh yeah there's there's loads online on you know the stuff you've done the rock star
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stories i mean uh so let me pose this this question to you let's say i wanted to play a game of chess
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with arnold schwarzenegger okay how would i how would i go about arranging that blue fishing that all right
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so we'll work on exactly that okay you all right so rich i'm gonna play a game with you okay that
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that'll hopefully get you in the right the mindset for this are you with me or did we freeze are you
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there i'm with you i'm with you okay so rich i'm having a barbecue party this saturday at my home okay
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um and you're in town and i ask you if you want to come and you say yes what's the first question you
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ask me what can i bring bingo i actually challenge anyone listening to this to play this game with
00:46:35.920
other people you'll get things like uh where is it what should i wear who's gonna be there how long
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is it going all of those answers satisfy you they don't help me the one question a host wants is how
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you can help me what can you bring to my barbecue now you want to go and have a game of chess with
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arnold schwarzenegger what can you bring to the party chess board really that's gonna that's gonna
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excite arnold schwarzenegger i don't know um box of cigars a hummer all right now we're getting there
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now you're now we're getting there whenever you want to get hold of someone you've got to make them
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want you to get what you want so if argument's like i know for argument's sake arnold schwarzenegger
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does a lot of stuff with children uh health uh small business now he does a lot within that so he's got a
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lot of uh philanthropic endeavors loves passions how about if you went to him and go hey i have
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always always always wanted to play chess with you i've got a platform i would love to make a
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donation to your charity and i would like to talk about your uh latest project on my podcast to my
00:47:56.640
program so that i could actually get more distribution which in essence would raise more funds which would
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benefit you it would that and here's the key would this benefit you now of course it's all about him
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now you strike those chords enough and they're gonna go yes and then you go well great all we
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gotta do is play a game of chess that's actually i knew that i didn't i didn't see the dots connected
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that way i really like how you very simple you've got a knack for it and i've heard you say uh talk
00:48:31.440
about stuff that you get in your dms and messages and you touched on something that's really important
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almost i get a couple of dozen dms every day on instagram right it's guys like i watch your videos
00:48:44.160
can i pick your brain here's my problem in life and it's like whenever i hear somebody say can i pick
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your brain i automatically hear can i can i steal your time and and pick your wallet because they're not
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coming at me with value so you essentially distilled what i already know but with the system of sequences
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because of how this guy operates brilliant i love it well the bottom line of it is i'm 56 i'm not
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getting any younger or any prettier okay so my whole pod people will say to me hey you free to talk for
00:49:13.600
10 minutes literally on my website i have 30 minutes 750 bucks and we'll talk about anything you want
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and so i'll literally say no i'm not free for 10 minutes i'm 750 for 30 sign up here or people
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the classic one how many people buy it we probably get uh like one percent we no we limit oh percentage
00:49:37.440
wise but we get about six calls a month um after we've kind of like vetted it a bit um but yeah some
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people some people do show up it depends how important it is to you to have me answer your your goals but
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i'm just stunned with how many people that don't focus on the benefit of the recipient right in that
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conversation bring some value to the table first every it's as simple as that what am i bringing
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to the party i'm i know i'm being on your podcast i haven't got any hair products to sell so i know i
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have to bring value hopefully bring nuggets that are going to get people come off this call and go
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hang on a minute that was very simple stupid to do i'm going to do it and i'm going to be more
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impactful and that's all i want um you've got 10 minutes left i know before you got to run i wanted
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to ask you because um there's not a lot of people that i see in in successful long-term relationships
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with their uh spouses you said you've been married for close to 40 years now yeah 37 37 this year i think
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what's the uh what would you attribute to the to the success of that marriage well if i'd have been
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drinking i'll probably say a huge knob but because this is a would you call that a successful marriage
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first yes okay so what would you attribute to the success of it then um i would probably say
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life from being a knob yeah yeah um i would probably say it's the fact that i've never settled
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you know um and this is an entrepreneurial trait the nine times out of ten can cancel the
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hell out of a relationship and kill it and you know you're no good you you up your game every
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time yeah and you look at your relationships and your relationships have not always upped themselves
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so you upgrade your house you upgrade from economy to business to first class you upgrade your home
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from your house to your pen now you're constantly upgrading even the circle of friends you keep
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but then you look at your loved one and you're like met her 10 years ago
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i need to upgrade with claire my wife she also upgrades and she's like i need someone that's
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gonna like be willing to get up at four o'clock in the morning for the family i need to be with
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someone who's gonna want to do that and so she constantly pushes me i constantly push her and we end up
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up in in in circles in sand pits that we've upped together and we recognize our strength
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and ignore we is another person to look after that so i would say that it's teamwork and unsettling just
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because you married someone and you love them that's not good enough today you know i'm with my i'm
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with claire i'm with my woman because she's the most powerful beautiful compelling scary as
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shit person i know in the planet to trigger me in left right and center so she's just the absolute one
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i wish i could take my mouse and kind of scroll back about 30 seconds to recapture exactly what you
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said but you said something like never settling yeah and i've often told guys because i mean one of the
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areas that i'm recognized for i know that you don't follow me on much of my stuff but um i help
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guys figure out women and i help them you know figure out relationships and i've often said that
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you like as a guy you cannot relax in life okay like you have to check you have to chase excellence
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if you want to deal in a long-term relationship or expose yourself to a marriage and the potential
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risks of family law and losing half your shit i mean you live in one of the most hostile states in
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the world in california you've got to be on your grind right like you've got to be on your purpose
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you've got to chase excellence you can't relax sit back you know rip open a bag of cheetos and
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sit back and watch sports seven days a week it's not going to work out she's going to leave on you
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at some point yeah oh very very quick but you see the trouble is you've you've actually attacked
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one of the biggest cornerstones or the biggest foundations of a man's life is is his relationship
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okay it is you can actually absolutely i found that to make sure that my relationship was strong
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i had to not settle for anything even including the small stuff like i love an old fashion and an
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old fashion is only bloody three ingredients it ain't that hard to make but you'll be amazed at how
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many times people screw it up my family will know my friends know that if if i get a a glass an old
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fashion and it's got a freaking great wedge in there like an orange wedge it automatically goes
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back i won't even sip it excuse me that's not an old fashion i won't even settle if it doesn't have
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a large ice cube if a burger comes to me and the fries are slightly cool i'll be like don't overheat
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those i need a fresh plate done from my food my drink my coffee anything i don't settle and by not
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settling it raises my standards all the time and then makes other people raise their standards to
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meet mine and then when i look at my relationship i'm going hang on a minute i will send a drink back
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because it's got too much fruit in it therefore i'm gonna make sure i hold you accountable to the
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same standards i love it it's it's profound you don't have to go big you don't have to go big if
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you've got a if you've got a pen on your desk and the end is chewed up and it's dirty and disgusting
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and you don't care about it what else aren't you going to care about and that's just a bloody bick
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so raise your standards from the smallest cheapest nastiest tiniest little insignificant things and
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you'll find that all of the more important attributes will change in in accordance that
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there steve is a chapter in your next book whoop whoop um so to wrap up real quick because i know
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you've got to run for your next uh session um who should follow you who shouldn't follow you
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where should they follow you um so here's the first thing man marketing and branding 101
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i am steve d sims everywhere i've got a free facebook group called an entrepreneur's advantage
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with steve sims it's free i do a lot of videos in there but if you just visit stevedsims.com
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you can find out about the book my course my speakeasy event you can find out everything or
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just google steve d sims or wherever you enjoy your media whether it be tiktok twitter facebook
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tinder wherever just look up steve d sims and what are you most excited about that you're working on
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today so i actually launched a company just over a year ago with my son um sims.media it's literally a
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branding and marketing firm in that order and we teach people how to speak how to get attention how to
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get on podcasts how to promote that company that brand that's really exciting because it's with my
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son and so i'm really enjoying that that's awesome steve i want to thank you for uh hopping on this
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podcast with me and sharing some of your wisdom um guys check him out i'll um i'll make sure that i
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link to his website below in the description and uh give this a thumbs up and if you have anything else
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just check it in the comments and we'll catch up with it later um steve i'll let you go i'm going to
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