070 - How To Be a Wealthy ExPat With @Wealthy Expat
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In this episode of the Playing to Win podcast, I'm joined by my friend Rafael from the WealthyExpatriate YouTube channel to talk about his journey to becoming a multi-millionaire by moving to a tax-free country.
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all right guys what's up for the uh 70 70th yeah it is 70th installment of the playing to win
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podcast series i'm uh joined today with my friend uh rafael from the wealthy expat youtube channel
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how you doing brother really good thank you for having me i'm a big fan been watching your content
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for a while read your book left a review all the good stuff so happy to be here yeah and um you know
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you've been a member of my community for a while a lot of people ask well what kind of members do
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you have in your community rich well we've got rafael who's a guy that uh is a bit of an expert
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if we're being honest on helping guys move to places in the world where tax burdens are reduced
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and they have a little more freedom generally speaking than some of the restrictive uh
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lifestyles that they have imposed on them so um you've got a youtube channel it's called wealthy
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expat i've tagged it in the title of this youtube video so if you guys want to go find it if you
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listen to the podcast just go to youtube and search for wealthy expat you'll find it uh he's got some
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good content on there i've watched a bit of it i am subscribed to the channel as well um can you
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kind of give people like the batman origin story on how you got interested in this area of business
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because i mean you've been doing this for how long now well wealthy expat has been running for one
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year but i've been doing it personally for myself moving to tax-free countries lowering taxes for about
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three and a half years when i started seriously making some money or at least paying a tax bracket over 30
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in the u.s that's when i started looking at all of this so you're originally from the u.s can you
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talk a little bit about why you wanted to leave the u.s and you know how you got into this business
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for sure i'm from puerto rico which is actually a tax-free place a lot of americans move to puerto
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rico even though i don't really recommend it it fits for some types of individuals and some types of
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families for most people they won't enjoy living in an island and i always learned about taxes because
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my dad was an accountant in puerto rico so he helped a lot of americans lower their taxes down
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to zero percent by moving to puerto rico and doing their tax returns so i was always like in accounting
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offices and i was always talking to accountants and lawyers about tax so then i started learning
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about citizenship acquisition essentially you could buy another passport for a hundred thousand
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hundred and fifty thousand dollars i remember when i was 17 i was looking at passports that i could
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buy and i wanted to make enough money so that i could buy another passport i wanted to be dual
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citizen u.s and anything else then i moved to the u.s i got a pretty good job and i started paying
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about 30 35 in taxes and then i started my business back then which was doing just marketing
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and e-commerce selling stuff on shopify as well as helping e-commerce brands grow by consulting them
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and helping them and that's when i started paying serious money in taxes so 40 45 tax and then i paid
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my first 150 000 to the irs and that's the moment when i thought okay with this money i could have
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done something serious maybe put a deposit on a house maybe bought a very nice car mercedes s class
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or something so i knew i had to do something i started researching all over the world and i found united
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our emirates dubai which a lot of people might have heard they think it's this muslim hermit kingdom
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which it's really not it's a very open liberal place there are some restrictions some laws but you
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can pretty much pay zero percent tax and there's also about 10 or 15 other places around the world
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and a lot more options that you can use to reduce your taxes completely legally so we're not talking
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about tax evasion or hiding anything or producing forged documents it's all legal and a lot of people
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started asking me how did i lower my taxes zero and then i started telling them and helping them
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through the process and i realized that this this could be an actual business and the current people
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that are doing this in the space they're not that effective to be frank so they do provide good
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information on youtube but when it comes to the actual process behind that they help the client
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it takes one year to do a process that should take three or four months so i wanted to take all those
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clients that are usually very wealthy if you're paying 40 50 tax it means you're making serious money
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so you want the fastest least hassle process possible and that's what we help them with now
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and when you move from puerto rico to the u.s which state did you go to
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new york one of the highest tax okay like did you ever think maybe it might be better to go
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somewhere with a lower tax rate like another state or it was just like i'm i don't have any
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interest in the u.s at that point it was both i mean you can lower your tax by 8 to 12 percent on
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the high end if you move to a tax-free state like for example florida which a lot of people are moving
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to texas which a lot of people are moving to but it was also i didn't want to live in the u.s
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and a lot of my beliefs in life about freedom about being a nomad around the world exploring
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many different places also about the social laws how you talk about you know people get absolutely
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destroyed when they get divorced in the u.s and all these rules and all these laws i started
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analyzing them compared to other countries and i found more freedom in places that people typically
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think are dumps like for example uae dubai or countries in eastern europe which obviously now you
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can't live there but a lot of countries there or just countries in general where i spent like one
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month two months i was five months in thailand enjoying the amazing weather so overall i've
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created this life where i can pick where i go as a u.s citizen you need to be extremely careful so
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that's that's what i learned the hard way you have a u.s passport you need to pay taxes no matter where
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you go but if you're canadian uk australia whatever you can pretty much just move to another place
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set up a base there face your attacks and not have to deal with the nonsense of your home country
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which is what i wanted to get away from i get a lot of guys that ask me about that um idea of um
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you know where's a good place to live that's friendly to fathers in case the marriage doesn't work
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out so since you brought that up um have you looked into that with different countries are there
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countries and laws that you found that uh don't destroy fathers in family court if they end up
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getting divorced yeah they're typically not the usual ones that people move to so for example
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all the the big english-speaking country like u.s canada australia new zealand you're pretty much
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screwed a lot of countries in the european union pretty much screwed i mean it's it's 50 you can
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take everything or you can take most most of them will be less developed or muslim countries so for
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example dubai in the uae all you really need to pay is like three months maintenance so if you get
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divorced all you need to pay is like three months after you get divorced three monthly payments of
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like two thousand dollars which compared to the u.s you'll pay i don't know two million if you're
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worth four here you pay six thousand dollars and you're gone and a lot of countries in eastern europe
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as well that's why people typically look to get like a russian wife because you can't really be
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screwed in that way by a russian is there also a division of assets in arab countries like uae or
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dubai where you have to split your assets with your x no it's more of analysis of whose assets
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whose assets are whose and then those people maintain those assets at the end i see okay um
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let's talk about puerto rico for a little bit because i've mentioned puerto rico before uh they
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have these acts act 2022 i think they're called um we have at least one member of the community that's
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that's moved from mainland united states to puerto rico to take advantage of the uh tax benefits
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because he was in crypto um can you talk a little bit about like the actual experience the state of
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living in puerto rico because i've heard like horror stories from people that say things like
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electricity isn't reliable the road infrastructure is difficult uh if you don't speak spanish it's it's
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it's harder to move around sort of thing like what's the reality of the average guy that's like oh i
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i can move to puerto rico it's very easy and take advantage of tax savings especially on crypto
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you nailed it you pretty much nailed it those are the biggest cons of puerto rico i would say the crime
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is quite high compared to the u.s depends where you're coming from so for example new york right
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now the crime has absolutely exploded like 200 increase over the last couple of months and because
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of this whole situation happening so now compared to puerto rico puerto rico isn't that bad compared to new
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york compared to these other places but definitely the crime is a problem i was always scared when i
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was little about somebody breaking into my house there's a lot of addiction and overall homelessness
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which is also a huge problem but i would say it's hard to adapt because you're decreasing your quality
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of life significantly a lot of people they move to puerto rico and they're super happy with it they're
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super happy with the beaches they're happy with the people that are much more they have a better vibe
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and a better life so for example people start dancing salsa on the streets and they have more
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of a life to them than people in the u.s would depending on where you're coming from but yes the
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infrastructure is less the wi-fi is slower and it does go out every couple of hours sometimes the
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electricity can be gone for one or two days during the hurricane the electricity was gone for months
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and yes a lot of people speak spanish they don't actually speak english even though it's a u.s
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territory so i would say if you're okay with living in an island that is not as developed as the
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united states that you might need to deal with some electricity some wi-fi problems you might need
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to deal with people that are less educated than in the united states that's definitely something i
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would say puerto rican people are not as educated if you are okay with all of that because it means
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that you save 50 tax while maintaining u.s citizenship then go for it because puerto rico is really
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the only option of a u.s citizen to pay zero percent tax legally let's say you say five ten
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million dollars the only other option is to renounce u.s citizenship so if you want to keep that
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passport puerto rico makes a ton of sense if you don't care about keeping the passport and you're
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worth ten million dollars you could even buy another passport like malta malta is a million dollars part
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of the european union has access to the united states so if you want to get access to the u.s you can
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buy malta renounce u.s citizenship and now you pay zero tax plus you can go to the u.s whenever you
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want so it depends on the level of net worth yeah i had a friend in um california and you know
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california is right it's it's difficult state um you know if you want to pay lower taxes and you
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want freedoms but um yeah he had this idea that he'd pick up and move the family to puerto rico and
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he didn't know that much about it so he went there with his wife and checked it out and two weeks
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later he came back he's like yeah i'm not going to live there so i find you know i found that
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interesting because there's always these you know like notions and ideas the grass is greener on the
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other side of the fence and then you don't always find that that's true um do you get that sometimes
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with your clients where they you know make a move to another country and they're like ah this isn't
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for me i need to go somewhere else yes that's why i also advocate on giving up your tax residence
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wherever you are so for example let's you're in canada and you want to move to dubai canada is
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pretty aggressive the cra will try to tax you will try to do a disposition tax basically an exit tax
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when you leave the country so they'll try to tax every single bit that they can once you're out of
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the canadian tax system if you do it with a proper lawyer and proper accountant then you can structure
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your time however you want so you could spend for example six months a year in dubai let's say because
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you want to be there for zero tax and the other six months you could travel all around the world
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or you could go to for example a country like malaysia that only taxes income sourced in malaysia
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it's a territorial based tax system so you essentially don't pay any taxes if your money
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comes from outside of malaysia so there's different options i've had clients that for example have moved
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to dubai have moved to singapore and they're not happy but they can also change to another country
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as long as they don't go back to their home country like canada they go back to canada again
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or at any point they buy a home in canada or they create let's say assets or invest in a fund in canada
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that could put them as tax resident but yes i've had that situation happen happen but there's always
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solutions to it or you could have your setup in one country you're set up in the uae and then spend
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your time between other countries as long as you give up absolutely everything in your home country
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so i've had for example clients from australia that give up their tax residence sell everything
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close their bank accounts bring their family do absolutely everything they need to just completely
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get out of australia the only thing tying them is their passport they live one two months a year
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in dubai and the other couple of months or the other rest of the year they live in other countries
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that don't tax them and they never go back to australia that's also an option as long as you yeah
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okay um how many passports are ideal to acquire if you're if you're a human of the world let's call
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it right because i mean there's advocates out there that are saying you know you should have
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multiple passports you should have multiple driver's licenses the more you acquire the better it is
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what's your view on that i would say the more you acquire is not necessarily the better because you
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are tied to a country is there a sweet spot like three two five i would say three is a good sweet spot
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three i would say a middle tier passport like for example i'll show you mine right now so i have
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the saint kids and nevis one this passport costs 150 000 it is a middle tier passport because you
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don't have access to the big four like u.s canada australia new zealand but you have access to
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everything else and it's a country that has 55 000 people so they're never going to tax you they
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don't care where you are saint kids doesn't care what i do all over the world they're not going to
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research you nothing but you want to have an even stronger passport just in case saint kids
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f's up with the european union and now we lost access to europe for example in the next couple
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years we might lose access to europe because they're selling their passports and the european
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union doesn't like that great i can go get a mexican passport for example that has access to
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the european union also has access to canada has access to new zealand and i can travel to those
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countries and then if that doesn't work then i can go get another passport like the portuguese
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passport in five years so you could do the golden visa in portugal and get that password which is even
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stronger i would say three password is really good one or two intermediate ones if you have for
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example like iranian ancestry or afghan industry then just forget about your ancestry don't don't
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get any of these like terrible passports one or two intermediate ones and one like top tier passport
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like canada or uk or something it seems like an ancestry passport is pretty easy to get right like i
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was i mean i was born in the uk so i already have a british passport i have a canadian passport
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um i mean my mom you could call her greek but she lived all around the mediterranean so
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like getting residency through her probably through greece or something like that would be ideal that
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would be reasonably easy too right depends on the country greece is one of the toughest ones you do
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need to prove your greek ancestry and that you are exactly a greek citizen so you never get citizenship
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by descent you are already a citizen you're just claiming your citizenship that's that's how it
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essentially works so you need to prove yeah you need to prove that you do belong as a citizen of that
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country and a lot of countries make it very hard so for example italy greece these are two countries
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that are super slow it can take years to get citizenship by descent other countries like spain
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tend to be a little bit faster like maybe six to nine months so it isn't a very straightforward
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process if you were born in a country and you never got citizenship there like for example anywhere
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in latin america let's say you were born in ecuador born in argentina whatever and then your parents
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moved to the u.s you can claim that citizenship easily because anybody born in most latin
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american countries is already a citizen you just need to claim it so those are a little bit easier
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what about the british overseas territories like you mentioned st kids and nevis is that is that easier
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for me to get than somebody that's not a british a british citizen no this is an independent country
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now so they were a british overseas territory now they're not so you and me would be the same
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requirements to get it for you it would be different for example cayman islands would be very
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different or any other because it is part of the uk it's under the uk crown oh i see so let's say
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that i live in cayman islands for five years tax-free after one year of those five years so six years in
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total i can apply for uk citizenship because i've lived in a british overseas territory so they do have
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different laws but and and for me to get like the cayman island passport what does that look like
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as a british citizen you don't really need it to be honest i mean there is a cayman islands passport
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but it is a passport of the united kingdom and it just says cayman islands on the bottom so to my
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understanding it's not possible to get cayman islands passport as a uk citizen you can get cayman
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islands permanent residence because you already have it as a uk citizen but i don't really see many
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people getting like the cayman islands passport and then another british overseas territory okay so
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that would be an easy way i gotcha i gotcha okay um what about can you talk about tax trees a little
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bit i've seen a few of your videos where you kind of drop the soundbite when you're talking about a
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certain country or a certain passport can you explain what tax treaties are to people watching
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for sure so tax treaties a lot of countries have them mainly high tax countries so essentially
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if you live in spain and you are a german tax resident you'll be paying taxes to one or the
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other so you'll be paying taxes germany or you'll be paying taxes to spain depending on which one for
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example has the most credits or what kind of income you have so tax treaty essentially make it so that
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you don't pay tax in two countries now the way that you can use tax treaties is for example
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singapore has a really interesting tax treaty where if you live in singapore but your company is based
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in a country with a headline tax of 15 or more so let's say i'm singaporean i live in singapore or
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i'm living in singapore last 10 years but i come from the u.s and my company is in a country that has
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20 tax then i can pay zero tax in singapore i can pay 20 tax in the other country but there's a loophole
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some countries have a very high headline tax like for example malaysia which is right next to singapore
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this is very common malaysia has a 24 tax but there's a certain province in malaysia that has a
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three percent tax so you can establish a company in that province pay three percent but because of the
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headline tax of malaysia it's 24 i as a singapore resident pay three percent the real tax rate that i'm
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going to pay so you can use tax treaties i mean they vary depending on where you're from what your
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citizenship is where you live where you come from but you can use them as a way to lower your tax
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completely legally by utilizing loopholes so that's that's how you use them you can google
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tax treaty canada dubai tax treaty canada australia and you'll find which we were talking
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about crypto earlier which countries at this time of the recording are friendliest to crypto holders
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people that want to reduce their crypto liabilities um i've heard portugal is good but i've also heard
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that um that's changing yes portugal is changing it isn't law yet but it is a heavy proposal it got
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rejected twice by the government but it is a proposal to tax crypto as regular capital gains so it would
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have plus 20 tax the thing is that a lot of these countries they've seen how much money they have lost
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compared to other countries so portugal is probably looking at spain spain has a 40 50 tax rate versus
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portugal that has a 0 tax rate on crypto or at least it's not tax and the government wants to push for
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that and you know equality and fairness to their local people because the rich are not paying taxes
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so yes portugal is heading in the wrong direction i would say anywhere in the european union definitely
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heading in the wrong direction but malta is quite attractive and they do have a lot of programs where
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you can move to malta and pay less tax estonia is also quite interesting portugal still interesting
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i would say not in the coming years dubai ua for sure zero percent tax on absolutely everything
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zero percent capital gains puerto rico i do have to put it in there because it is zero percent tax for
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all u.s citizens you don't pay any tax on crypto and these overseas territories like cayman islands for
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example absolutely zero percent thailand is another one that i should mention because a lot of people
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are interested in thailand and it's a country that it's impossible to become tax resident so let's say
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that you move to thailand and you live there all your life and you go to the tax office and you tell
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them i live in thailand i want to pay thai taxes great show us your employment contract oh i don't
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have it okay then go away don't pay our taxes they truly don't care so in thailand there's there's that
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loophole that people live there and never pay taxes and there are some countries like that that you
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can pay zero tax specifically in crypto because nothing passes through a bank account and you're pretty
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much tax free yeah so i've been hit with this um from a whole bunch of different angles over the
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years and people have said to me you know rich when are you going to leave canada and it's the same
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answer right like i'm i'm still a parent and i have a kid to raise and you know and she's an adult then
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i'll make that decision but i'm looking at options you know as i get closer to that date i've i mean
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there's different places in the world you mentioned asia you mentioned parts in europe um i've traveled a bit
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i've seen you know a bit of the world and i would probably maintain um residency somewhere in eastern
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standard time i'm not going to retire ever you know i like doing what i do well i'll probably keep
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podcasting until it stops working for me so um it makes more sense for me to be able to talk to my
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audience in a time zone that i'm in you know for the most part that they're also in um so that would
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limit me to eastern standard time where am i looking you know for a guy like me or for people that
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are watching that are also in the same sort of boat where they're in north america and they want
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to make sure that you know as they move out of a more limiting or um taxing tax system taxing tax
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system back to back um that they go to a place that lets them sort of deal with time zones that work
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for them so is that caribbean is that like central america is that south america like what does that
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look like i would say caribbean is the best option if you want even though most of them are islands
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of course but you do have a lot of tax free places so for example cayman islands you have
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antiga and barbuda you have saint kitts which i'm a citizen of they are also completely tax free
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specifically on crypto they welcome crypto heavily all these little islands even though they're
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extremely boring to live in and you might be bored after a month they are absolutely tax free so you
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can live there and not do anything bermuda also tax free quite close to canada or at least you can
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take flights easily from there central america you're decreasing your quality of life significantly
00:22:18.180
so you could go to panama if you want a slightly higher quality of life but most of central america
00:22:24.200
is quite low quality i would say costa rica is one of the exceptions but the crime is increasing
00:22:30.040
el salvador making bitcoin legal tender that's improving still the crime is very heavy i would
00:22:35.820
not recommend people move to el salvador yet if we're going down to south america colombia depends
00:22:42.520
how you live because colombia does have very high taxes a lot of colombians move to panama to lower
00:22:47.660
their taxes because they are so aggressive but if you live in colombia for example five months and a
00:22:51.780
half every year then you don't pay any tax because the rule is 183 days or more per year other places
00:22:59.260
i would say ecuador is quite tax friendly you can live there very easily deposit 40 grand in a bank
00:23:04.120
account you get residence quite easily chile has some exemptions for foreigners in the first three
00:23:09.840
years you can pay very little tax if you come from another country you can also get a great passport
00:23:14.360
and uruguay which is all it's called the switzerland of land america because it is very safe
00:23:19.480
very developed or it's developing quite fast and has great banking great tax laws apart from that
00:23:25.620
the bahamas as well which is very close to the u.s a lot of people choose it absolutely tax-free a lot
00:23:32.760
of crypto companies going there as well i would say there's not that many other countries you can live
00:23:38.280
in mexico mexico does have a lot of taxes but there are ways of avoiding it easily as a foreigner i would
00:23:45.620
say those are all your options i would be careful with the countries that people typically move to
00:23:50.340
as digital nomads so colombia is a very popular one people move to medellin people move to all these
00:23:55.400
places but colombia has one of the highest taxes in latin america and they are very aggressive
00:23:58.960
so if you want to stay within this consider the islands in the caribbean mainly bahamas cayman
00:24:04.280
islands antiga and saint kitts consider uruguay consider chile and colombia if you want to live
00:24:09.380
part of the time ecuador and i would say panama costa rica to an extent how do how do taxes affect
00:24:17.460
these um cruisers i don't know if you've heard of these cruiser lifestyle but it's these people that
00:24:21.460
basically live on a sailboat they you know they go to the mediterranean for the summer they sail across
00:24:25.740
the landing and they hang out in the uh caribbean you know for the winter after the hurricane season's
00:24:29.960
over or maybe they travel some to some other part of the world how does it work for people like that
00:24:33.800
it depends where you're coming from so i had a client who absolute horror story he came from
00:24:39.640
australia 20 years he had a cruiser lifestyle went to australia maybe one or two weeks a year
00:24:44.800
and had has a giant boat has been traveling the entire world came back to australia to retire
00:24:50.360
and now the ato the australia tax basically the the tax system is telling him that because he never
00:24:57.080
actually left australia he never became a tax non-resident now he needs to pay taxes for the last 20
00:25:02.800
years and now he's trying to battle that he's actually going to court against the ato to try to
00:25:08.900
get that absolutely annulled but you do have to be very careful how you leave the country so let's say
00:25:13.580
you want to be a cruiser you want to go on a sailboat by whatever price or whatever size you want to buy
00:25:18.020
travel all over the world make sure that you are clearly in the system as a tax non-resident of
00:25:24.060
wherever you're leaving if you're a u.s citizen you need to do any extra planning you can pay zero tax
00:25:29.340
that's for sure you can renounce your u.s citizenship to be completely away from the irs
00:25:33.460
but you need to make sure that you're a tax non-resident then you need to have some base around the world i do
00:25:38.820
definitely recommend it so for example the easiest one that i typically recommend is dubai
00:25:42.500
because dubai has a rule where you only need to spend one day every six months in dubai that's all you
00:25:48.100
need to spend in order to qualify as a resident not a tax resident but a resident it's good to have
00:25:52.820
residents somewhere so that if you're coming from canada and canada says great rich you've been
00:25:58.120
traveling the world for the last 10 years where have you been living well i've been living in dubai
00:26:01.360
okay great shows your residence permit shows your bank statement shows all that well here you go
00:26:05.960
because you're actually connected to dubai so i would use that as as an extra protection just in case
00:26:11.500
um you guys can ask questions by the way if you're on you know youtube as a member you can throw them
00:26:17.120
in the uh comments and i'll and i'll pose them rafael um let me grab the super chat here real quick
00:26:22.120
there's uh kelson uh awesome to see the collab lots of gems provided uh the expat both the expat
00:26:29.060
channel thank you um so i was gonna ask you something it escapes me right now um the um
00:26:37.220
yeah the notion of a home base is interesting because i mean you mentioned one day in a country
00:26:43.520
like dubai would work um what about the caribbean are there are they one day rules you know somewhere in
00:26:49.100
the caribbean or like a month rule or anything like that yes cayman islands has that so for example if
00:26:54.820
you buy a property you do need to spend quite a significant amount of money so for example if you
00:26:58.680
spend 2.4 million u.s dollars in a villa in cayman you can get an insane house you only need to spend
00:27:03.880
one day per year in the cayman islands to become a permanent resident or actually be a resident of
00:27:09.300
cayman islands you can just sail to the islands for literally 48 24 hours and then leave again so yes
00:27:14.200
there's a lot of options like that i would say because one person mentioned it uh he barely
00:27:18.720
mentions the giant mexico mexico does have rules like that where you don't need to spend a ton of
00:27:22.820
time per year in mexico and you can definitely lower your taxes or pay a significant amount of
00:27:27.080
less in tax but usually most countries if you spend the right amount of money
00:27:33.380
you can get residents without actually spending any time so malta has a new program in the european
00:27:38.980
union the mediterranean great place to go sailing they have a program where if you spend
00:27:42.820
right now it's 98 000 euro so 110 000 or so plus around 10 or 20 000 in contributions to the
00:27:51.360
government you can get permanent residents in malta and you never have to visit malta so you
00:27:55.800
could literally be a resident of malta without ever visiting malta if you spend a hundred thousand
00:27:59.880
dollars so those are definitely options and there are many countries right now i can't think of all
00:28:05.140
the countries have this rule but definitely if you're interested in the eastern time zone cayman
00:28:10.400
islands is the easiest and bahamas also has a rule yeah are these countries competing for
00:28:17.280
residencies and citizenship ships you know what i mean like are they actively passing legislation and
00:28:23.980
laws that make the barrier to entry easier or is it just kind of like it's like this is where we're at
00:28:29.660
we're not changing anything i'm just i'm just curious because i mean like when i mean my experience with
00:28:35.140
laws and legislation is it's a moving target the goalpost moves over time depending on whether it's
00:28:41.100
a conservative government a liberal government whatever the economic climate looks like if they
00:28:44.900
need more tax revenue sort of thing so i think that's a given right like the laws will change over
00:28:51.020
time but do they compete for citizens i guess is what i'm asking yes they compete to the extent that
00:28:58.680
other countries bully them to not compete so for example vanuatu which is a very popular country in
00:29:04.980
the pacific ocean they sell their citizenship for a hundred thousand dollars they have a lot of
00:29:10.080
experience having australians move to vanuatu and lower their taxes legally and do everything there
00:29:14.720
but they've also sold their passport to a lot of scammers and a lot of people that have been
00:29:18.800
in the interpol watch list and essentially the people that you don't want to be the citizen of your
00:29:23.040
country so the european union and overall the schengen area said okay vanuatu because of these
00:29:27.860
things that you've done in the past now you can't access europe without a visa and now all vanuatu
00:29:33.000
passport holders can access europe without a visa starting in 2023 i believe next year so they can
00:29:39.380
impose those restrictions and the same happens with st kids which is the passport that i got okay great
00:29:43.740
st kids keep selling your passport if you keep selling it in the next three years we'll take out
00:29:48.400
europe visa free travel and these pushes and these restrictions obviously are going to affect the
00:29:54.320
countries decisions on what programs to have and how little time you can spend in the country
00:29:58.860
so dubai and the uae is definitely getting restrictions from many countries because they've
00:30:03.280
been very open to russians for example they were open to russians europe banned all russians pretty
00:30:08.300
much everybody banned all russians except the uae and turkey and now the uae said that russians are
00:30:13.300
banned from banking in the uae because obviously they're getting bullied by other countries specifically
00:30:17.720
europe u.s canada and so on so all these countries compete to the extent that other countries don't
00:30:24.680
bully them so they'll bully them up to the point where they say okay you're a small little island
00:30:29.500
the caribbean you can compete up to this point if you put it at a lower price point we'll put
00:30:34.400
restrictions we'll put sanctions if you allow these kinds of people to be your citizens we'll put more
00:30:39.000
restrictions that's how it works yeah um there's a lot of underlying things that you have to deal with
00:30:46.820
like the guy that was mentioning um mexico so a few years ago before the beer bug hit i was looking
00:30:53.840
at buying some real estate in tulum because they were putting up these villas they're like building
00:30:57.460
like crazy down there and i really like tulum you know it's a place to like visit hang out
00:31:01.540
it's very bohemian and and chilling it's got nice beaches and the food's good and the people are pretty
00:31:05.660
cool so i started looking around and i was talking to a friend of mine that um renounced his u.s
00:31:12.220
citizenship he was living in california to go live in uh baja or down at uh cabo san luca sorry
00:31:18.040
so in baja mexico and i asked him why he had to do that and he said well you can't own mexican real
00:31:23.520
estate on waterfront unless you're a mexican citizen so his dad was mexican he moved down to
00:31:29.940
mexico renounced his u.s citizenship became a mexican citizen bought real estate on the beach he's done
00:31:35.520
very well so he's you know he's taken care of so i started looking into this and apparently a lot of
00:31:41.040
these people that are buying real estate whether it's close to water or not i think the rule is
00:31:46.500
it's it's got to be a certain distance from waterfront and then you can buy it as an expat
00:31:50.420
sort of thing but you don't actually own it in your name apparently a bank holds the title to the house
00:31:55.980
in their name in a bear trust agreement with you behind it but i have a real problem with that
00:32:01.100
because i mean i have friends that are uh bayesian bayesian citizens that dropped their canadian or
00:32:08.960
u.s passport and then they now live in mexico and they're buying up loads of real estate but the
00:32:13.700
problem with that is i don't trust governments at all as far as i can throw them and if they need to
00:32:19.300
raise money and they've got banks holding a whole bunch of uh titles on property with a bear trust
00:32:26.140
agreement behind it if you think that you're going to beat the mexican government in court if they want
00:32:31.100
to steal your property you're dreaming right i mean this is a this is a risk that you have to consider
00:32:36.640
as well when you're looking at buying real estate too right yeah i would consider that in any country
00:32:42.200
so it wouldn't just be mexico it'd be any country that you want to buy property in specifically
00:32:46.200
in less developed more corrupt tendency countries i would definitely look at the law and see what
00:32:56.020
exactly do you own as a non-citizen because citizens obviously have full right but non-citizens
00:33:02.280
usually there's a lot of loopholes usually you own the property but you can't own the land under the
00:33:07.760
property that happens in asia a lot you own the property for 50 years but after the 50 years
00:33:12.920
that's it it's not your property anymore you need to renew it so really you don't own it you you're
00:33:17.300
leasing it for 50 years so definitely look at the law no matter what country you go to it's not just
00:33:21.700
mexico be anywhere is it similar in other countries to the way that mexico handles it where they don't
00:33:27.440
let you hold the title to a property unless it's held in the title unless the bank holds the title
00:33:31.780
and there's a bear trust agreement that's behind that that system was not that common yeah that's
00:33:39.560
more a question for a lawyer i'm not 100 sure on that answer but for example in let's say in dubai in
00:33:45.240
the uae you don't own the property forever as a non-citizen you only own it for 99 years that's what
00:33:52.400
happens in in the uae in thailand for example you own the property but the land beneath the property
00:33:57.960
is owned by a citizen in cambodia for example you can only own land as a citizen as well so many
00:34:04.200
countries have that that rule or restriction where citizens only can own land or the full right to a
00:34:11.540
property gotcha uh kaustin again says after the u.s passport citizenship by taxation where would you
00:34:18.880
rank canada australia eu in terms of difficulty of expatriating from the country that's a good
00:34:23.480
question i would say the u.s it is the most difficult because you do need to renounce your
00:34:29.400
citizenship but it's not that hard to pay zero tax you can have a lot of loopholes in order to pay
00:34:34.000
zero taxes capital gains it's harder to pay zero tax but i've done it as a u.s citizen lower my
00:34:39.180
my earned income tax rate down to zero percent on my capital gains so it's possible i would say the
00:34:45.140
next one is canada because they do have an exit tax deemed disposition tax and it is quite hard to
00:34:50.220
fight against the cra for money the next one i would say would be the scandinavian countries like
00:34:56.140
sweden denmark they all have 60 65 tax rates are quite hard to get away from i would say spain france
00:35:02.760
belgium all these northwestern european countries are quite tough to get out of then i would put australia
00:35:10.060
somewhere in there because a lot of my clients have gotten out of australia pretty clean i do have an
00:35:14.240
accountant in australia that helps with that and has helped many clients get out of australia it's
00:35:17.640
actually one of our biggest markets that they just want to leave and specifically because of the beer
00:35:21.700
bug the the restrictions were insane so they wanted to leave i would say u.s in part canada
00:35:28.140
definitely one of the toughest ones northern eu australia i would put it in that rank yeah
00:35:34.160
miss this question kind of outside of the whole um you know idea of the lower tax rates and all
00:35:41.000
you mentioned that um australia you know you've got a lot of clients there that have decided to
00:35:45.780
want to get out um especially during the beer bug time because restrictions were insane canada was
00:35:50.960
probably pretty close to as bad maybe just as bad it's difficult to say i mean like trudeau is still
00:35:56.840
going on about nonsense like you know you're gonna have to keep getting covid jabs to be classified as
00:36:01.860
vaccinated and which just leads me to believe that he's gonna bring back the travel travel restrictions
00:36:06.840
again in the fall when when it's convenient because some new 17th wave you know comes our
00:36:10.900
way sort of thing so um as far as countries go like do you think that the exodus of high net worth
00:36:19.540
individuals from countries like let's say australia or canada you know for example or any others where
00:36:24.280
people might be you know leaving from and moving elsewhere how how damaging would that become to
00:36:30.400
the economy you know in your view i would say or is it at all like or is it just like a you know
00:36:36.980
like a drop in the bucket sort of thing specifically in countries like the u.s for example if you go to
00:36:43.200
facebook and you type in u.s citizenship pronunciation there's a group that has like
00:36:46.920
3 000 members most of them are high net worth they all want to renounce u.s citizenship many
00:36:51.220
people are doing it every single day hundreds of people but the amount of people that is moving to
00:36:55.600
the u.s and specifically the amount of millionaires moving to the u.s is also quite high so it evens
00:37:01.660
out it's not like wealth is draining out of the u.s yes a lot of people are moving out but also people
00:37:06.080
are moving towards the u.s i would say we'll only see this in a couple of decades i would say
00:37:11.060
specifically countries like canada australia new zealand singapore even because of their
00:37:15.840
restrictions they've lost thousands of millionaires and if you google like millionaire migration there's
00:37:21.520
a map that i think it was henley and partners there's a big citizenship firm they made a map
00:37:26.220
saying which countries benefited the most because of the beer bug problems and which countries got the
00:37:32.120
most millionaires and in reality the most the countries that got the most millionaires were
00:37:35.300
like uae dubai israel singapore moved a lot of people some countries in europe but countries that
00:37:41.460
lost a ton of people were like canada australia new zealand all these countries that had crazy
00:37:45.900
restrictions so long term next 20 40 60 years definitely makes a huge effect on the economy
00:37:52.620
even if more people are moving to the country but yeah yeah i wonder if if if these politicians even
00:37:59.100
consider that or if they just don't care it's it's it's my view that they just don't care about
00:38:03.280
about it at this point like what do you think i think they just don't care they're like you know
00:38:08.140
everybody should pay 50 tax these are the restrictions deal with it or go and that that's the
00:38:13.120
for example elizabeth warren in the u.s she was talking about taxes for u.s citizens and she said
00:38:19.120
good luck paying less taxes as a u.s citizen because we trap you no matter where you go around
00:38:23.440
the world it was something like that i'm not quoting her but or something similar like that and
00:38:27.080
yeah u.s citizens are kind of trapped the only way is to renounce u.s citizenship so they truly don't
00:38:31.720
care this is the law you want to get out of canada great give us a big chunk of your wealth
00:38:36.300
through the exit tax and that's the way that you get out so they really trap you
00:38:40.780
um carlos says i'm a pest control business owner in california business is booming easy money taxes
00:38:46.760
are high but i also charge good loving sunny california baby california is nice i mean
00:38:53.260
it's i don't know there's like crappy places there's nasty places uh tax rates are high the
00:39:00.220
weather is wonderful it's it's basically a desert right on the coast i mean like you know depending
00:39:04.820
on where you go obviously but um there's a reason why there's a lot of my uh colleagues when i was
00:39:12.840
younger moved out west to either vancouver or california because it was always attractive
00:39:17.380
right and i think it's always going to be reasonably attractive until such time as it's just so bad i
00:39:22.840
mean it seems like it's gotten to the point where it's like that bad now where people are saying
00:39:27.240
screw it i'm going to go to florida i'm going to go to texas arizona sort of thing
00:39:30.580
um and there's been a mass migration i think from what i understand basically austin is
00:39:34.840
pretty much like mini california now um is it is it like that within places in the u.s
00:39:44.660
the tax we're sorry within places in the eu oh in the eu for sure oh yeah a lot of people moving
00:39:51.240
to other countries for example from spain them to portugal from a lot of countries i have an italian
00:39:56.660
client who's making like 300 grand a month drop shipping he moved to malta to lower his taxes down
00:40:00.940
so for sure yeah people are moving from from one country to the other hungary has a really good
00:40:05.500
program now even though it's not the best place to live but they have a nine percent corporate tax
00:40:09.440
significant difference to other countries that have 20 25 percent so yeah in in eu that happens a lot
00:40:14.720
is is malta part of europe or is it part of africa because i know it's on that horn of
00:40:20.140
it's european union country it's part of europe it is like it is right next to to tunisia but yeah
00:40:27.160
okay um you mean americans are trapped because of fatka what is fatka what does that mean do you
00:40:32.900
know fatka essentially means that all banks around the world if you're a u.s citizen you show up at a
00:40:37.780
bank with a u.s passport they need to legally if they want to comply with the united states and use
00:40:42.620
the u.s dollar as a currency they need to send all your information to the u.s and that's fatka
00:40:48.420
essentially and a lot of banks don't accept americans because of that switzerland being a
00:40:51.780
great example if you show up at many of the swiss banks with a u.s passport they'll say
00:40:55.660
how much money you're going to deposit one million plus i hope and you say no no less than one million
00:41:00.760
like 100k okay goodbye we don't want you because the complexity of reporting for a u.s citizen is insane
00:41:06.000
so not only trap because of fatka i would say also trap because you need to do the reporting
00:41:11.040
yourself it's not just the banks doing the reporting if you look at my tax return from last year i mean
00:41:15.620
it's like 300 pages it's insane and i don't even i didn't even touch the u.s last year but i need to
00:41:20.380
do it because of the citizenship i see okay wow um yeah there's lots of gold in this podcast guys i
00:41:28.180
hope you're enjoying it hit the like button if you are um we've got a few minutes left like 15 20
00:41:33.400
minutes and then we need to wrap up but um what is it uh like what else should people contemplate as
00:41:39.120
well when they're looking at this that we haven't talked about yet i would say the lifestyle that
00:41:44.560
they're going to live in a country that has less taxes so what a lot of people think is mainly u.s
00:41:50.060
people that are moving to puerto rico is oh my lifestyle is going to be exactly the same and
00:41:53.740
everything's going to be amazing but i'm now going to pay zero percent tax well probably not and the
00:41:58.900
same applies to any other country that you move let's say you want to move from a very high tax
00:42:02.300
country like canada you want to move down to mexico and expect that the quality of life is going to
00:42:07.420
be the same and you're going to be able to drive your mclaren all over the place well if you drive
00:42:11.520
a mclaren in mexico and you put a million dollars in the bank in mexico probably somebody's going to
00:42:16.460
know about that and somebody's going to rob you at some point so do make sure that the lifestyle
00:42:21.380
in the country where you're going to to pay less tax matches what you want because if you want to
00:42:27.400
drive a ferrari or mclaren every day you probably can't do that in costa rica or el salvador or other
00:42:33.040
countries like that you if you want to drive ferrari all day then you might need to go to the uae or
00:42:37.840
singapore or other countries that are also quite luxurious and very safe so that's one thing that
00:42:41.980
many people don't consider is they say oh i'm going to move there because i saw it on the wealthy expat
00:42:46.760
channel and then they talk to me and they say oh actually i i like mountain weather well dubai doesn't
00:42:52.000
have any mountain weather so you're probably going to suffer all year or they want to go to a place that
00:42:55.720
has like four seasons well we suggest them things that have four seasons so that that's a big factor and
00:43:01.360
also family as well like if you're going to move there with kids make sure education is quite high
00:43:05.520
make sure they're not going to be bullied because they don't speak spanish which happens a lot in
00:43:09.260
puerto rico so that's something that people don't consider is there um is there a ranking that you've
00:43:14.240
done anywhere like on a website where it's like you know these are lifestyle countries these are
00:43:18.440
crypto friendly these are tax friendly these are ease of getting citizenship friendly like is there
00:43:23.220
a ranking system anywhere that you've put together i haven't done that but i will now that you gave
00:43:28.040
me that idea i usually do it on on one-to-one calls the clients come on the call and we do it for
00:43:32.720
them but i'm i'm planning a software that essentially you put like what you're looking
00:43:37.280
for what kind of tax you want to pay or comfortable paying what kind of lifestyle you want to live and
00:43:41.000
then it tells you what country you should move to yeah that'd be a useful sort of um calculator i mean
00:43:45.580
like you could almost use it as an opt-in to get them on an email let's just say you know fill out this
00:43:50.140
uh quiz and you'll be delivered a email that'll tell you you know the top three countries that meet
00:43:55.440
that criteria sort of thing sure uh we got another tuber here he says um you're experiencing crypto
00:44:02.700
exchanges in dubai any issues you had depositing or withdrawing hard kyc rules know your customers
00:44:07.720
restricting limit on how much to buy sell so yeah so what's the deal with that in dubai i would say
00:44:13.400
don't use dubai exchanges all these places that are developing or rapidly developing always use
00:44:19.000
outside services but with your id from the country so i use a bulgarian exchange it's called nexo
00:44:24.080
great exchange for cashing out crypto and cashing in or on ramping crypto but you use your dubai id
00:44:30.240
to sign up for nexo or you use binance or use ftx but you use your id from dubai so i would say if
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you want to exchange in dubai or do any sort of crypto in dubai then you definitely need to use
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outside exchanges and the same applies for any let's say mexico or costa rica or any of these places
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don't use local bitcoin exchanges or crypto exchanges use outside but with the id from that country
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um you sound reasonably bullish on crypto so what's your outlook on it over the next five
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to ten years as far as um you know the cryptocurrency market i mean it's in the toilet right now it's
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it is what it is just i mean my opinion is keep buying that's what i do but yours
00:45:09.980
my opinions keep buying as well uh crypto jack which is a pretty big youtube channel about crypto he's my
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partner a wealthy expat he bought some shares in my company so he obviously believes 100 i believe 100
00:45:21.220
i would say when i saw that crypto could be life-changing or at least business changing was
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around january february of this year when most of our sales were crypto because they were from people
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that didn't have access to banking that just wanted to leave their country i had australians calling me
00:45:38.640
saying dude i want to leave australia tomorrow what do i need to do well you need to pay okay well how
00:45:43.280
can i pay you crypto yeah sure the payment was there in five minutes we set them up they moved the next day
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so it really facilitates payments all over the world and i think that technology is going to keep
00:45:52.860
growing crypto is not going anywhere five to ten years i don't know we're going to be maybe a million
00:45:57.780
maybe ten thousand again but definitely the outlook is positive long term
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um uh chris says forgive my naivety uh this is one of the first i've heard of the wealthy expat i will
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investigate your channel do you do you do pay consultation for a private discussion on getting
00:46:12.460
some advice definitely so what you can do you can go to my channel and then on any of the videos
00:46:18.040
if you book a call that's either going to take you to me or one of my assistants what you can also do
00:46:22.680
is you can message me on whatsapp there's going to be a link always on the channel or on the
00:46:26.720
descriptions of the video for whatsapp that's my personal whatsapp number so just write me say i
00:46:30.900
watch you on playing to win or watch you on rich cooper podcast and i have this question we'll book
00:46:34.700
a call one-on-one no problem chris is also a member of the one percent too and i know the
00:46:39.680
you know the group's getting bigger but yeah he's one of the insiders jerry says bitcoin was a dollar
00:46:43.840
10 years ago crypto was not in the toilet it's it's in the toilet relative to november last year
00:46:50.480
i was i was meeting up with some of my boys last night because we're doing a rally next week and we
00:46:55.780
had to get some stickers and shirts and stuff done so we're all hanging out and shooting the shit and
00:46:59.880
you know the topic of crypto came up and almost unanimously everybody's like oh it's down from
00:47:05.380
sixty thousand dollars down to 20 it's gonna go to zero i don't understand it blah blah blah
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so i mean the sentiment's good for buyers that want to acquire um you know buffett says when
00:47:14.820
there's blood in the street that's when you want to pick this uh stuff up so obviously he's not a
00:47:18.640
crypto fan he likes buying stocks but you know you can apply that to any economic condition um when
00:47:24.420
there's supply and demand issues like we're dealing with today but yeah um what else uh do people need
00:47:30.400
to know about this stuff uh my brother like um you know we got like five more minutes or so
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what is it that you want to wrap up on i would say be careful with exit taxes that's something
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that also people don't consider and make sure you exit your country properly so what some of my
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clients for example one client from denmark he moved from denmark to dubai now he's living in dubai
00:47:49.360
and his danish accountant told him hey dude you haven't left denmark yet he's like no i left six
00:47:54.340
months ago no no the danish tax department says that you're still paying tax in denmark
00:47:57.900
and now he's leaving denmark and he found out that the date he left denmark is today six months
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after he left denmark because he never actually left so do make sure that you exit your country
00:48:08.880
properly if you're looking at paying less taxes or zero tax great choose the place that you're going
00:48:13.160
to make sure the lifestyle fits you but also check the law in your home country specifically the big
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four u.s canada australia new zealand they're quite tough quite aggressive and you might need to pay
00:48:22.840
20 to 30 percent exit tax now if you're in crypto let's say you had
00:48:27.320
10 million dollars in crypto now you have four well now is the right time to get out because
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you're going to be paying 20 or 30 percent of 4 million not 10 and then when it appreciates again
00:48:36.040
then you're going to be able to pay zero taxes that's that's something big that many people don't
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consider those are the main things so where are you going it does the lifestyle fit where you're going
00:48:46.040
make sure it's low tax or zero tax or at least territorial which means that you pay tax only on income earned
00:48:51.620
in the country also make sure that you take into consideration where you're leaving grab a couple of
00:48:57.040
citizenships and make sure they're legit because there are some fake programs i was contacted by a
00:49:02.040
lawyer selling me romanian citizenship for 25 000 that's fake there's no no such thing as a european
00:49:08.740
password for 20 30 30 000 and it is very common and it's obviously very attractive but it's fake
00:49:14.580
so the only passwords that are available truly are a hundred thousand plus to to buy them is there a
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strategy where i mean we've talked about this before with um another guest where your assets
00:49:28.520
don't necessarily need to be where your ass is is it is a good idea to move assets out before you move
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your ass out i would say yes it doesn't matter what country you're moving to obviously make sure that
00:49:40.580
the banking is strong that there's good laws good security but yes move all the assets move the banking
00:49:46.960
a lot of my clients for example they set up a residence permit somewhere else they open bank
00:49:51.100
accounts they travel to that country move all their assets and then a month later then they move their
00:49:56.620
family they sell their house they essentially move everything over so yes that is a great line like
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move your assets and then move your ass because then it's all prepared for you there as well as prepare
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things before you're ready to leave so let's say you love california but you think that california is going
00:50:15.640
down hill and it's going to be trash at some point then maybe move everything outside of california
00:50:20.980
keep it somewhere else get an id somewhere else outside of california and at some point when it's bad
00:50:26.080
enough then you have everything sorted and you can leave right away carlos here says what are a few
00:50:31.940
reasons why people want to leave their country i would say the main one is not just tax because i would
00:50:38.340
be okay paying a little bit of tax to the united states for keeping the passport or for being able to travel
00:50:44.320
there every couple of months but it's more the restrictions more the documents that you need to
00:50:48.920
submit to the government that they want to know absolutely everything about you the restrictions
00:50:52.540
from the beer bug for example australians couldn't go back home canadians couldn't travel outside without
00:50:57.960
the shot so the restrictions mainly the biggest one i would say weather also influenced a lot of
00:51:04.840
people mainly from the uk they say that the weather in the uk sucks so they want to move out as well as
00:51:09.660
business freedom but business restrictions as well so they can't invoice different companies that
00:51:16.360
they want to they can't send as much money as they want they can't use cash to do whatever they want
00:51:20.960
with their cash and their money so overall restrictions weather freedom in general obviously taxes
00:51:27.140
and also possibilities for their family that they don't want their family to continue living the
00:51:33.260
same life that they've been living um when it comes to sort of investigating you know the country
00:51:39.640
that you may want to set up a residency and what do you think is a reasonable period of time to see
00:51:43.200
what the country is really made of is it a month three months six months you know they should spend
00:51:47.500
their versus sort of figure it out see if they really like it or not i would say one month of intense
00:51:54.000
research so for example a lot of people they might go to mexico for example stay in the most
00:52:00.100
prestigious neighborhood and then don't go out of their house that much for a month you're probably
00:52:04.700
not going to find out much about the place when you do that so i would say if you're going somewhere
00:52:09.260
go for a month but do a lot of intense research act like a local so stay in a place that you would
00:52:14.480
really stay in not in a poshy hotel or a five-star hotel with a giant view from the 45th floor if that's
00:52:20.740
a realistic place that you want to live in long term then sure do that but go to a local place go to a
00:52:26.740
bank try to open a bank account go to a local financial institution and talk to them to see
00:52:31.080
what the rules are go to a local accountant local lawyer to explore the visas that they have available
00:52:36.140
talk to people like me that can explain to you immigration different places so really act as if
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you're already moving for a month and see if you like it because i've been to some places i would say
00:52:46.500
prague is a beautiful place in the czech republic but i would probably never move there because the
00:52:51.140
restrictions are really high taxes are extremely complicated the government overall is all over the
00:52:56.460
place so i really wouldn't want to live in a place like that even though it's absolutely beautiful
00:52:59.640
so one month of intense research all right let's do this as a last question um what's your take on
00:53:05.940
crypto being backed by commodities i don't have that much experience with crypto backed by commodities
00:53:12.080
i would say the main cryptos that i invest in are cryptos that have been here for a while like
00:53:16.540
bitcoin eth i would say solana hasn't been here for a while but it's also quite strong and very well
00:53:21.400
backed i would say payment systems and structures for crypto those are the cryptos that i invest in
00:53:28.180
not meme coins or not on any of these new projects more like cryptos that are used for payments like
00:53:34.480
bitcoin is really easy to make payments we have eth usdt obviously made with erc20 all these cryptos
00:53:40.220
are the ones that i tend to invest in not super familiar with backed by commodities yeah i mean it's more
00:53:46.020
of a stable coin when you're talking about crypto being backed by a commodity reasonably stable anywhere
00:53:51.000
it should be but we've seen coins over the last few months like you know with lunaterra sort of like
00:53:56.060
you know explode blow up sort of thing so it's like all right you know how do you know what's what
00:54:01.100
in an in an economy like we're in today where it's uncertain we're definitely in a recession they
00:54:06.520
haven't made the official announcement i don't think yet um you're probably better off waiting if you're
00:54:11.260
looking for something more stable to put some money into that's backed by a commodity i mean
00:54:15.500
i think they have some cryptos that are backed by gold or they're purportedly backed by gold
00:54:19.440
that i think so but i haven't looked into them that much because usually like for yeah yeah yeah
00:54:28.260
just get bitcoin i mean you know it's it's the most stable like backed coin that's on the market it's
00:54:33.840
been around for the longest period of time and it's it's got a proven history it's it's it's on a
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blockchain dude like it's all there man um yeah but it is what it is man you know those questions
00:54:44.280
always pop up right now because you know people are scared and that's good if you're buying you
00:54:49.000
know buy when other people are scared it's that's a good time to pick up assets like that but thanks
00:54:53.640
um thanks for popping in so again um if you want to learn more about what rafael talks about go to
00:54:58.720
his youtube channel it's tagged in the title of this video um and you know you can book a consult with
00:55:03.980
him you can learn more about his company and uh look forward to seeing a video that comes out on
00:55:08.260
some sort of ranking system or if you have some sort of quiz that comes out that'd be awesome i think
00:55:12.340
that'd be a nice little tool i'll build that thank you for telling me thanks brother appreciate it