Playing to Win - 084 - The Sartorial Shooter

00:00:01.000 All right, guys, what is up? We're on the 84th installment of the Plane & Wind podcast.

00:00:06.020 These are conversations around chasing excellence, and I have the sartorial shooter today with

00:00:10.660 me. Jule, how are you doing, my friend?

00:00:13.100 Life is good, man. Alhamdulillah, as we say over here. All is good. Thank you. How are

00:00:16.600 you, bro?

00:00:17.200 I'm good. We have a lot to talk about today. You are a close friend of Andrew and Tristan,

00:00:23.580 a man that has gone through some stuff in life. You now live in Dubai, originally from

00:00:28.620 Australia. Let's take a couple of minutes and hit on the Batman origin story. How did

00:00:35.420 you go from Australia to Special Forces to doing what you do right now in Dubai?

00:00:40.000 Roger that, man. Roger that. I grew up pretty rough in Australia, the typical single-parent

00:00:46.020 household on government welfare. Pretty driven from an early age to change my situation. Pretty

00:00:51.160 angry about the fact that I was getting teased for having second-hand clothing. That's why

00:00:54.820 it's all tailor-made now. It's a big part of the origin story. At a very early age, I

00:00:59.640 realized that the secret to success, if you will, wasn't the academic pursuits. It wasn't

00:01:05.540 necessarily just following what the schools tell you. It was learning to interact with

00:01:10.140 people. I had a very strong focus. I was naturally a nerd, but I was trying to learn

00:01:14.540 how to interact effectively with people. I joined the military as soon as I could, just

00:01:18.520 to get out of my hometown. I was an infantryman, and then I moved into a specialist area.

00:01:22.680 It wasn't Special Forces, although I did work with the hitters a fair bit. I learned a number

00:01:26.840 of languages, spent a lot of time in the Middle East, and it was inevitable that after the

00:01:31.560 military, I would be transitioning into the Middle East. The money spent and the time spent

00:01:36.080 learning the languages here, it was always inevitable. The last 15 years in the private

00:01:40.140 security sector, I've lived in Iran, a lot of time in Iraq, lived in Syria, a lot of time

00:01:46.760 in pretty much every focus on Middle East and North Africa, again, tying in with the languages.

00:01:53.400 The last six years have been pretty steady in Dubai. I'm management now, so I get to travel

00:01:58.920 to a bit nicer countries than I used to. I met the Tates a good five years ago, and I've

00:02:05.020 been in a circle with them since. That's the whole reason why I'm going loud. In my line

00:02:09.060 of work, it's not really beneficial to have recognition, so to speak. The last few years,

00:02:14.060 I had a bit of fun on Instagram, showing off the lifestyle, trying to show what's possible.

00:02:18.020 You can come from nothing. You can build a custom-made reality, but the main reason why

00:02:22.960 I'm public now is to speak up for the Tates, and I think it's my duty. I've been around

00:02:26.020 them more than anyone else outside their family for the last five years. There's so much nonsense

00:02:29.780 that's been pushed forward. As a brother, it is my duty to go out and speak the truth and

00:02:34.440 speak what I've seen as a credible source. He's been around them a lot, and I'll say all that

00:02:38.760 nonsense. Whatever consequences come, the cancellation of the machine has come after me as

00:02:43.700 well. That's fine. If you can't rely on your brothers in times like this, they're not

00:02:47.540 really your brothers, right? I think that's the best way to sum up my origin story. In

00:02:52.460 terms of what drives me now, as soon as we can get the Tates out, it'll be back to regular

00:02:58.040 programming. Just as we were chatting over Instagram over the last few months, I think

00:03:02.940 once you've got your money right and you've got the adventures with the boys, the next logical

00:03:06.860 step is how can you give back? I know you run a men's community. I put in a lot of effort

00:03:10.780 into the war room Tates men's community. More of all, for me, the focus going forward

00:03:15.220 is how can I give back what I've learned, what I've learned from Tates, what I've learned

00:03:18.840 from 20 years of a pretty interesting career. That's one of my key focuses going forward

00:03:24.100 in terms of the future story, if you will.

00:03:28.080 You're a sharp-dressed man. You were talking about growing up in an environment with a single-parent

00:03:33.360 household. I'm assuming that was your mom, not your dad?

00:03:36.200 That's correct. That was my mom.

00:03:37.200 You got secondhand clothes. We used to have a store here in the city where I live here

00:03:44.080 in Toronto. It was called Byway. I don't know if it's still around in other parts of the

00:03:48.960 country or even other parts of the world, but the running joke was kids would come up

00:03:53.160 to me in school and they'd say, oh, hey, Rich, I'd like those jeans, but I couldn't get

00:03:57.600 my arm down far enough in the Byway box to reach it to pull it out because it was a clothing

00:04:04.980 donation box. If I ended up with rips or tears in my knees, that's a dog chewing, not a chew

00:04:12.540 toy.

00:04:12.740 All right, give me one second. Excuse the lack of perfectionism there. Come here, boy.

00:04:17.140 Come here.

00:04:18.240 I'll have none of that, thanks. He's a beautiful boy. Doberman, I just flew over from Turkey.

00:04:22.920 I saw that, yeah.

00:04:23.940 He managed to find the one loud toy that I hadn't hit. Excuse me, mate. Please continue.

00:04:28.060 Yeah, so they'd make fun of you and your clothing and if you ended up with tears or rips in

00:04:32.980 your jeans, my mom would sew up some patches and that's how we did it. We didn't have a

00:04:36.820 lot of money either, but the significance of that when you're a child and then growing

00:04:43.560 into yourself and becoming a man when you have the resources, how important is it to dress

00:04:47.680 a certain way for you today?

00:04:50.920 I mean, it's such a core thing that I view it as more of a symbol of the fact that I have

00:04:56.780 that poor kid who was angry at his day-to-day reality. I've changed that. So for me, it's beyond

00:05:01.760 just dressing and wanting to look high status or reject value. This is me saying, I was,

00:05:07.640 I mean, we're all driven by our belief systems, right? And the belief systems that were formed

00:05:11.760 during my formative years was that I was a poor kid who everyone laughed at. And even

00:05:14.980 that secondhand clothing smell, it was a real, like I got teased about it in class. So I think

00:05:20.060 as I was, you know, those early years, deep in my brain was this strong devotion to level

00:05:25.940 up in life and the clothes are the symbol of that. So now you won't see me rocking a T-shirt

00:05:30.380 or a hoodie, you know, like these tech bros. I often say, if you're going to be a professional,

00:05:35.400 dress like a professional. And so it's, it's so deep in me that it's, it's, it's, you know,

00:05:40.520 symbolic of my rise from a poor kid to someone who isn't poor anymore, to answer your question.

00:05:45.860 But also just a quick thing that I often say to a lot of guys in my circle, if you want

00:05:50.140 to do one thing that brings massive return on investment, it's get to the tailors, learn

00:05:53.740 how to dress well, you know, find a tailor that you can work with over the years. The ROI on

00:05:58.620 that in terms of projecting value of professionalism, also in dating, but just feeling like you're

00:06:02.800 the man. And as Tate often says, you know, there's no downside to believing you're the

00:06:06.160 man. It's only a positive, right? If you want to really level up in terms of how you're

00:06:10.820 perceived and how you feel, I do believe that tailored clothing, you know, forget fashion,

00:06:14.660 forget what's trendy, go with what's classic. That, you know, one Navy blazer and a sharp white

00:06:20.280 shirt from a tailor's can really transform a young man's like life and how he's perceived

00:06:25.640 in how, how he feels. So I've taken literally hundreds of my brother to the, to the sailors

00:06:29.900 for exactly that reason. That's how important it is.

00:06:32.140 Yeah. And I mean, the cost to get tailored stuff isn't as expensive as you'd think it

00:06:35.960 would be. I'm sure in Dubai, the, you know, the quality of the material and the quality

00:06:39.480 of the work is, is going to differ as the other places, you know, we'll do it. The guys

00:06:44.080 that I use, they're actually from Hong Kong and they come here every four or five months.

00:06:48.100 They rent out a hotel suite that, you know, you go in, they basically measure you up

00:06:52.580 and then, you know, your shirts come in the mail, uh, two, three, four weeks later. Um,

00:06:57.360 you can get three shirts for about 300 bucks. Uh, you can get really nice shirts for, you

00:07:02.100 know, a few hundred dollars more, but even like the standard shirts are well worth it.

00:07:05.580 If, if all you can get is just three shirts, just get three shirts, you know, keep them

00:07:09.540 on your rack, different colors, start with something at least, at least with that. Cause

00:07:13.680 everything that's off the shelf, I don't know if it's like this in Dubai, but here most

00:07:17.340 people are relatively overweight, you know, they're obese, morbidly obese somewhere

00:07:21.420 in that realm. So the shirts are very baggy. They don't fit you around the waistline.

00:07:24.360 They're very buffed out. Same thing over there. Um, I mean, we don't have the, uh, the North

00:07:30.500 America's special in terms of, you know, that, that mass obesity. Uh, but I, what I would

00:07:35.740 say from personal experience, once you're used to tailored, you cannot wear off the rack.

00:07:38.940 You just can't do it. And especially for guys like us who have, you know, muscularity and

00:07:43.960 body types that are not gelling with, you know, the average dude who, who likes Netflix

00:07:48.480 and his, his PlayStation. Um, yeah, I, I think anything I get off the rack likely won't

00:07:53.640 fit. So it's, I haven't, I haven't worn off the rack shirts for 10 years and I don't

00:07:57.940 think I could go back. Um, there's a whole bunch of stuff I want to cover. I also want

00:08:02.380 to ask, you know, as we kind of move into all these different topics, how did you meet

00:08:05.860 Andrew and Tristan?

00:08:07.640 Okay. So five years ago, uh, I had a job on in, in Romania and I didn't know anyone in

00:08:12.800 Romania and I knew them through social media. I contacted them. They helped out with some

00:08:17.140 connections. And I said, I said more as, I mean, it was genuine, but it was a bit of

00:08:21.800 a throwaway comment. I said, I've got a weapons and, and, uh, tactics training company in

00:08:25.980 Ukraine. We'd like to host you guys just as a, you know, a gesture instantly. Andrew

00:08:31.580 said, okay, when, all right. And then he bacheled me like, okay, when, okay, when I go

00:08:37.280 in like, is it a man of action? Right. And so we hooked up, uh, it was meant to be three

00:08:41.380 days, you know, some footage and good training, not yippee shooting or, you know, practical

00:08:46.060 training. And I put aside 2000 rounds, we went through 8,000 rounds. And I know you're

00:08:49.920 a guy who enjoys the rounds, uh, enjoys the range. That's a lot of rounds for three

00:08:54.020 days. It's a lot of lead to put down range.

00:08:55.920 Exactly. And it was 12 hours a day, dusk till dawn. We weren't sleeping much. It was heavy

00:08:59.340 drinking. I realized at that time, these guys are built different. And also the way they

00:09:03.180 learned that mix of physical and mental ability. In fact, they just didn't get tired.

00:09:07.240 That's when I realized that there were something different. And then at the end of the three

00:09:11.040 days, it was Tristan's birthday and we're sitting in a cigar lounge in a hotel in Kiev.

00:09:15.440 And as I'm sure you appreciate, there's a lot of distraction in Kiev. You know, three

00:09:19.060 able-bodied men typically wouldn't spend an evening sitting, talking together for six

00:09:23.040 hours. They'd be out doing other things, right? But we just sat there together and

00:09:26.380 talked. And that's when they started sharing their insights into the human condition, into

00:09:29.860 society. And it was really apparent to me that, and I said it at the time, that they

00:09:34.160 have a leadership role to play in humanity and in masculinity. And I said back then, anything

00:09:39.240 I can do in my global network, you know, my particular set of skills for a long career,

00:09:43.500 anything that I can add to, you know, the movement that you guys are doing, then I'm

00:09:48.080 all in. And I've been all in ever since.

00:09:51.520 You know, I've messaged Andrew for a few years now. I've got him on WhatsApp. I was talking

00:09:55.920 to him the other day. And, you know, one of the things that I brought up before he blew

00:10:00.280 up on social media, I saw it coming. You know, I saw those viral clips that were being

00:10:08.420 made. They were, they were, they were being produced in the hundreds, probably almost on

00:10:13.500 a, maybe, maybe daily could have been a weekly basis, you know, max, but there was a lot

00:10:18.460 of clips coming out. And I said to him at the time, because I just had him on for a podcast

00:10:23.160 that I think was around the time he dealt with that Colty issue. And I thought that was interesting

00:10:27.820 how we, how we dominated that scenario. That was, that was definitely a playing to win

00:10:31.440 episode. That's still on the podcast, by the way, you guys can go back and find it.

00:10:34.680 I said to him, I go, you know, who do you look towards as a mentor? You know, who do you lean

00:10:41.200 on? And at first he thought, you know, I was talking about kickboxing and he named the coach,

00:10:45.520 but I was talking more along the lines of, because every top shelf guy always has a network

00:10:51.000 of people that he can lean on to offer guidance, to be a sober second thinker. If you're cooking

00:10:57.040 up some idea that may not work, you know, usually often ask, you know, your inner circle,

00:11:02.240 what they think of it. And then that's when he introduced me to you. He said, you know,

00:11:05.800 you should talk to Jewel. You know, he's a bit of a fan, you know, you helped him out

00:11:08.600 with something. I can't remember what it was at the time, or maybe, you know, you can talk

00:11:12.100 about it, but it sounds like he's relied on you for quite a while. That was, that was four

00:11:19.540 years ago. You did the whole Kiev shooting thing with him?

00:11:22.420 Five years now.

00:11:23.300 Five, yeah.

00:11:24.820 I mean, I don't know about relied upon, Tate's Tate. Like some people out there saying

00:11:28.720 I'm Tate's manager, hang out with Tate. Nobody manages Tate. My goodness. Mission impossible.

00:11:33.900 I was going to ask you, are you, are you in fact his manager? Because that's a rumor

00:11:37.140 that's going around.

00:11:38.000 I'm not his manager. And I pity the fool who tries to be his manager. Like Tate has such

00:11:42.340 clarity of mind, such frame, such conviction in what he does. I would, I don't, no one can

00:11:50.360 manage Tate. Let's put it that way. Tate is Tate.

00:11:52.700 Can he manage himself?

00:11:53.580 Yeah, he can. He's pretty conscious. Quite the strategician, quite the chess player.

00:12:02.400 I do have a relationship with Tate, which I think is a bit unique. He and I will have

00:12:07.240 pretty heated discussions if we disagree on something. Of course, I'm respectful about

00:12:10.940 it. I do view him as the most impressive all-round man I've ever met. So of course,

00:12:15.320 I'm very respectful. But also with my background in risk, I'm often the guy who's playing,

00:12:21.300 you know, Mr. Worst Case Scenario. This could happen. That could happen. And I'm often putting

00:12:25.480 that forward. Now, sometimes he listens to my counsel. Sometimes he doesn't. But I wouldn't

00:12:29.440 say he relies on me. I think he appreciates my input. And at the end of the day, he's

00:12:34.000 the CEO of his own brand. He's going to do what he's going to do. So that's our relationship

00:12:37.220 there in terms of my input to how he does what he does.

00:12:40.800 Does he have a gag order on him right now? He can't speak to the public? Or he can't speak

00:12:45.900 publicly?

00:12:46.300 Yeah, I'm not sure entirely. I'm not read in with the legal team. Again, I'm his mate.

00:12:50.900 I'm not his manager or not part of, you know, the PR or legal teams, which I do know exist,

00:12:55.700 obviously. From what I understand, he's, and I said this earlier, he's examining the chessboard

00:13:03.260 right now. It's a very complex situation. And he's the sort of guy, he's not going to rush

00:13:06.920 into making any moves. So I do believe that he is allowed to do what he wants. But also,

00:13:11.740 I mean, if I was trying to put a man in, put a man away, then I'd be wanting him to make

00:13:19.520 mistakes, right? I think that's what the opposition, if you will, is thinking. And he's very cognizant

00:13:23.540 of that fact. So he's very, he's being very careful not to make mistakes. So I believe he

00:13:27.740 can say whatever he wants, whenever he wants. But he's assessing that chessboard. It's the

00:13:31.880 mid game, right? It's a very complex game. Many, many different factors involved. So as I

00:13:36.020 understand, he's assessing the situation. And when the time is right, he'll make that decision

00:13:40.720 to go down.

00:13:42.420 You know, it's interesting. I've never met Andrew or Tristan. They've extended invites

00:13:49.680 to do rallies with them in the past. It was mostly during the COVID period when travel

00:13:54.300 was a bit of a pain in the ass. But they seem like good lads. They strike me as good men

00:14:00.880 that are good at being men. I think Andrew in particular is funny. He's articulate. He's

00:14:08.720 smart. Tristan's a bit more of a playboy. He's a little bit more of a joker, you know,

00:14:13.500 of the two, I think. But I think they're both good guys. And the funny thing is, is, you

00:14:17.080 know, whenever I post anything, like, there's no pictures of me and Andrew together anywhere.

00:14:22.300 But people think that, you know, he's my pal, that I'm part of his group, that, you know,

00:14:27.780 people will say things like, here's, here's actually what I get a lot of. I get a lot of the

00:14:33.220 kids posting the promotional shit in my timeline on Twitter, you know, especially. And I also get

00:14:39.560 the guys that are like, oh, you guys are pals. Why do you associate with him? You know, he's a

00:14:43.680 lowlife piece of POS, blah, blah, blah. Both of these people get blocked, by the way. I have no time

00:14:49.420 for either one of them on my timeline. But what are they really like with the time that you spent

00:14:54.460 with them in the five years? Are they those guys? Are they comics? Are they gentlemen? Or are they

00:14:59.240 these, you know, misogynist men that abuse and take advantage of women?

00:15:04.580 Indeed. So, first of all, there's definitely a persona that you see with Andrew, but it is,

00:15:10.380 he is, he's an entertainer, and he knows how to turn it up.

00:15:14.200 How much, how much of that is entertainment, though? Like, you remember those cartoons,

00:15:17.960 like the Johnny Bravo, you know, cartoons, where it's like, you know, you take a 10, you turn

00:15:21.760 up to like 17. How much of that is really him versus him acting? You know, when you get all

00:15:27.420 those clips, you know? Yeah, it's a good question. I, at the end of the day, he's a very brilliant

00:15:33.480 man. And brilliant men throughout history have always been very complex. I think it was Patrick

00:15:38.140 David who spoke about Tate in that context. So, to put an exact figure on that, it's always

00:15:43.000 going to be difficult. What I can say is that Tate behind closed doors, you know, around women,

00:15:48.400 around his family, around his brothers, incredibly respectful, complete emotional control, never once

00:15:53.960 seen him angry, never even seen him raise his voice. He's very calm, very logical, very rational,

00:15:58.220 and also very respectful. That's the real thing. So, the idea that he's some, you know, monster is

00:16:03.500 simply not real. And you'll notice everyone in his inner circle came out immediately when they saw

00:16:06.720 these allegations and said, hang on, we've been around this guy. That's not real. That's not who he

00:16:10.760 is. He definitely has a drive to make noise and create that. I mean, he's mastered the attention

00:16:20.480 economy, right? He knows how to bring in attention. Better than anybody else in the last 10 years,

00:16:24.780 easily. But I think the key point is people trying to say that what he said is therefore

00:16:29.460 evidence of a crime. If that's the case, every gangster rapper ever needs to go to prison.

00:16:34.820 You know, every shock, all the shock jocks, all the female, you know, musicians, I, you know,

00:16:43.760 I drugged them and I stole his money, you know, all of that stuff. I think that one actually was

00:16:48.640 literal. I believe most of them are literal. In fact, you know, you know, what I found was really

00:16:55.020 impressive. You know, they locked him up in his brother and the, and the two gals. And I would

00:17:00.200 assume that their strategy would have been, okay, the women will fold first. So we'll lock them up.

00:17:04.540 We'll apply a little bit of pressure. We'll let them go. We'll bring them back a little bit of

00:17:07.120 push pill, standard stuff, but they never seem to strike a deal with them that would allow them to

00:17:11.560 charge the two brothers with anything. I found that impressive that they had those two women loyal to

00:17:16.180 them, loyal to them that entire period of time. And I think that speaks to two things. One,

00:17:20.800 they take care of their people, like they're good men, they're good giving men. And two,

00:17:24.480 the truth is the truth. It really is like, what has come out if people look at this objectively

00:17:29.900 and the two main complaints that their credibility is shot, that they are on record saying,

00:17:36.320 hey, let's take this story to Netflix. Oh, you did so well, you deserve an Oscar. If journalists want

00:17:41.080 to actually be journalists and look at the verified leaks that have come out, showing the conversation

00:17:46.000 between the two women, they are conspiring to do this. Again, I'm not a legal professional,

00:17:49.500 not ready, not legal matters. But just from seeing what's come out objectively, the credibility of

00:17:55.240 the source of people, the main people making these allegations is shot. It's not there. It's proven

00:17:59.520 to be, you know, not real. So in that sense, the whole thing is, I think to sum up, Tate is a very

00:18:08.200 good man. And everyone who's actually met him knows that. He's very respectful, very calm. He's not

00:18:12.560 capable, nor is there any logical reasoning why he'd do such things. If you're flying private all

00:18:17.620 the time and pushing a Bugatti, why do you need to, and do you have the time or energy to exploit

00:18:23.240 some women to make small amounts of money online on TikTok or on whatever platforms? It's just not

00:18:28.140 real. And that's why everyone on his team and Tate himself knows that he will be found innocent

00:18:32.280 because the truth is the truth. Logic will prevail. It's just a matter of the process playing itself

00:18:37.700 out. What do you say to the folks that assess his rapid rise in fame and in wealth? I mean, I've lived

00:18:48.080 in North America for the vast majority of my life. I spent a little bit of time in the UK, but I've dealt

00:18:53.480 with lots and lots and lots of entrepreneurs. I'm part of trade organizations, Entrepreneurs

00:18:57.440 Org sort of stuff. He made a lot of money very, very quickly. And a lot of people have, you know, asked

00:19:01.740 questions about that. It's raised eyebrows, right? You know, because something like, what is it, 30 or 27

00:19:07.040 supercars in a Bugatti normally wouldn't take a few years? What do you say to those guys?

00:19:12.520 I think there's some basic maths that will help. And also, if you have $50, you can verify this. So

00:19:17.420 his platform, The Real World, as I understand, it has over 100,000 subscribers with a very high

00:19:23.700 recurring rate. And the tales of victory that come out of that are huge. So let's take 100,000.

00:19:28.760 Well, you talk about this too, you know, since you're on the topic of The Real World as well.

00:19:31.700 Okay. 100,000 members times $50 a month. Do the maths. Again, that's verifiable. You can join up and

00:19:38.780 see the active members yourself. So as to where the money came from, that's one. I also know he was

00:19:43.840 very active and making very courageous moves in crypto early on. So that's another. And the man

00:19:51.440 has this undying energy and undying workload. Again, I've been around some pretty high profile people

00:19:55.760 myself. He doesn't stop working ever. Like it's just everyday conquest. He wakes up angry. He

00:20:02.080 doesn't eat until five or 6pm because when he's hungry, his brain's clearer. Like everything about

00:20:06.240 that man is driven towards conquest. And it's not a surprise to me at all. You've got the intellect,

00:20:10.320 you've got this undying work ethic, you've got the support network, both his brothers,

00:20:14.280 his brother, his blood brother, and you know, the war room around him. And you've got this just

00:20:18.540 unending desire for conquest. I mean, the man is a work machine. So I don't view it as a quick rise.

00:20:24.860 I don't view it as surprising. And I think if you're able to build a platform that has well

00:20:28.940 over 100,000 people, I think it's, it may be already, it did hit 200,000 people with a very high

00:20:34.360 resub rate, you know, retention rate. There's obviously value there. The man knows how to bring

00:20:39.580 in attention and add value to people's lives. And that's how you make money. If you can get attention

00:20:44.160 and then monetize that attention and add value to the lives of the people who follow you, you're

00:20:48.220 going to do well. So all this, this accusations about criminal, this and that, I'm the guy who he talks

00:20:53.780 to about his risk decisions. He is hyper aware of not doing anything criminal because he knows

00:20:58.300 that would undo all of the legal stuff, that the halal way that he makes money, improving people's

00:21:03.600 lives would all be undercut should he do anything illegal. He's very conscious of that. So there's

00:21:08.340 nothing illegal there. And if there was, I wouldn't associate him, associate myself with him. Very

00:21:11.900 simple. I've got a life, I've got a family, you know, I wouldn't be around him if he was doing

00:21:15.060 anything illegal. What are the future plans for the real world? The real world, I mean, I've started to

00:21:21.080 get a little bit involved. I'm interviewing the top performers simply because I'm so sick of the bad

00:21:24.660 press on this platform. It's amazing. So, you know, there'll be more and more interviews with me

00:21:29.160 talking to these guys. Where's the bad press? Like, are there people coming out saying that I was a

00:21:32.860 member and then these are all the negative things that happened? No, people have been in to say good

00:21:36.720 things. There's a lot of media trying to say that it's somehow, you know, a pyramid scheme or it's

00:21:40.880 somehow a negative thing. It's $50. There's no mystery. Tell the journalist to go sign up and they can

00:21:46.120 see how active and how supportive the community is. There's no hidden, mysterious, you know,

00:21:51.560 nefarious elements to it. It's hundreds of thousands of people hustling and supporting each

00:21:56.040 other to make money online. I think it's, I know it's super positive. I've gone in and I've seen it

00:22:00.460 myself. So I'm contributing to that. As to the strategy, I'm not sure. I'm not involved in setting

00:22:06.200 strategy or what's next. But I do know that the Tates are very involved in it. I know that Andrew is

00:22:12.380 communicating to the world through the real world. You know, he's very active in there. He's typing

00:22:17.600 every day, as I understand it, inside. So for the people who want to get that, you know, closeness

00:22:21.920 to him, that's the place to do it. And that's obviously conscious, right? Because it's monetized.

00:22:26.540 As to the future, I don't know, but I know that Tate will continue to keep it relevant. He'll continue

00:22:30.500 to make it a platform that adds to people's lives. And I think it's just getting started. I think it's

00:22:35.480 going to challenge conventional university education. You go to uni for three years, maybe get a job.

00:22:40.160 Or you can pay $50 a month. And man, if you look at some of the wins coming out of this,

00:22:45.960 we have capable people pushing, supporting each other and making real money. I mean,

00:22:51.080 obviously, you got to put in the work, right? There's no get rich quick element to it. But

00:22:54.120 the story after story, and these guys I'm interviewing, and the successes they're having,

00:22:58.260 it's real. It's very real. And that's proven. And all these journalists, if they did a bit of

00:23:01.420 looking objectively, let's see that as well.

00:23:03.160 The methods of making money are still tied around things like copywriting, video editing,

00:23:11.840 affiliates, marketing, like Amazon FBA, crypto and investing. Those are the main ones.

00:23:21.040 Yep. And there's entire other campuses. Like there's one about financial literacy. So teaching

00:23:25.140 the stuff that you should learn about taxes and about how to set up businesses and everything

00:23:29.220 that school doesn't teach you. There's one on public speaking now they're opening up to help

00:23:32.620 people learn how to communicate effectively, which, as you appreciate, is a huge part of

00:23:36.220 being successful in today's world. There's so many different areas of both the experts in

00:23:40.860 there supporting and guiding, but also the community working together. It's genuinely positive.

00:23:46.100 Again, if Tate was some liberal who, you know, waved certain flags and was pro certain,

00:23:51.000 you know, agendas, this would be an absolute darling of the global media machine.

00:23:55.880 But because he speaks against the liberal narrative, all of a sudden it's a bad thing.

00:23:59.700 And I got sick of it. So I said, guys, I want to start interviewing the top performers

00:24:02.660 because the positive stories need to be heard here.

00:24:05.960 Okay. And those are on your YouTube channel? Is that where they're...

00:24:09.560 Yeah, yeah. We're starting to drop them now. I've got another four or five interviews after

00:24:12.900 our chat tonight. And I'm so sick of the bad press being thrown at Tate and Tate's products.

00:24:18.200 That's a big part of the reason why I've gone public. I can see credibly, not objectively,

00:24:22.720 I'm pro team Tate, but I am credible. I can see how positive what he produces is for his

00:24:28.720 supporters, for his followers, that I need to speak up because I'm sick of all these media

00:24:32.880 accusations that he's somehow a negative influence. Okay. Some of the stuff he said,

00:24:38.500 if you were 14 and very naive, perhaps you could take it out of context. I don't think so though.

00:24:42.960 14 year old boys aren't that stupid. They can tell when he's playing that character to say

00:24:48.000 controversial things and get those clicks. 99% of Tate content is very positive and it has a

00:24:53.680 positive impact on people's lives. But this whole idea that he's some nasty, bad influence

00:24:58.560 is so far from the truth. I mean, you're a speaker in the masculine realm yourself. There

00:25:04.080 aren't many of you, bro. There aren't many masculine men giving rounded masculine advice to young men of

00:25:11.040 today and to men of any age. I'll tell you what I've seen. There's useful advice out there. There

00:25:21.680 is masculine advice being produced by people that are biologically men, but they are not good men and

00:25:27.760 they are not good at being men. When you realize who they are as people, you kind of peel back a few

00:25:33.920 layers of the onion. You'll start to cry when you see what their lives are all about. They're just not

00:25:39.200 great people. So it's difficult when you have these conversations and you speak from a place of

00:25:47.200 authenticity, from love, from commitment, from wanting to offer value and improve people's lives.

00:25:52.960 And then you have people around you that may be saying similar things, but have been exposed for

00:25:57.520 being absolute pieces of garbage. There is a guilt by association, unfortunately. And I think that's

00:26:04.080 what the media tries to do. I mean, I've seen the try to pull that on me over the years. They've tried

00:26:07.840 to cancel me a few times. I've, I've had, um, tweets or even clips, um, mostly tweets that have

00:26:14.640 been used in the media. There was one tweet that I, I can't remember what I said, but it was about

00:26:18.080 five years ago, four or five years ago. And I had people try to get me fired from the company that I

00:26:23.200 set up, uh, back in 2003, the debt relief company. And I thought that was hilarious because I am the

00:26:29.360 founder and CEO on the articles of incorporation. And they actually went to the extent of running these

00:26:33.760 shows and promoting it and then trying to get me fired from my own business. You know, they look

00:26:37.440 you up on LinkedIn and all that sort of stuff and they try to get people involved. It's like,

00:26:40.560 it's not going to work, but this is the, but this is the reality of the world that we live in. You

00:26:45.120 know, when you have these conversations, when you broadcast ideas that, um, touch into these realms,

00:26:50.800 because there are a lot of shady, weird people out there. Um, you guys invited the, um,

00:26:57.280 vice fell. I can't remember his name, um, to one of your retreats where you had the, uh,

00:27:02.880 the, uh, fight session, you know, with the MMA, with the MMA guys, you offered an opportunity to

00:27:07.200 war remembers to get into the octagon and test themselves. Um, what was that guy's name again?

00:27:13.440 Uh, Matt, Matt. Okay. So like, what was the story behind the story with that? I know you've

00:27:19.280 probably talked about it before, but I haven't heard it, but you know, you invited him in, you know,

00:27:24.000 with goodwill to say, you know, come on in, take a look at how things are, meet some of the members,

00:27:28.480 watch what we do. And then the final produced piece, when I saw it was really about, um,

00:27:34.640 a couple of stories behind some girls who felt whatever they felt at that time, um, and wanted

00:27:40.720 to talk to vice about it to make the tapes look bad. What really happened when that guy, Matt was

00:27:45.920 behind the scenes with you? Okay. So first of all, he said he wanted to do a documentary on the war

00:27:50.080 when it turns out it was just a hit piece on tape. Now, Tristan and I rightly called that it was a

00:27:54.720 hit piece. Uh, Andrew's project was they're going to do it anyway. Let's at least let them see the

00:27:59.040 reality. Now, Matt came in speaking about journalistic integrity, about the fact that

00:28:03.040 he'd put forward an objective. Did you guys use videographers to film from your angle as well,

00:28:08.000 too, while he was there with his guys? Um, to a certain extent, but not for the final interview,

00:28:12.640 which is a massive mistake because that final interview, my goodness, tape absolutely destroyed him

00:28:17.760 to the point where from the three hour interview, the advice could only use, you know, the last

00:28:22.160 minute, which was me, you know, getting upset and walking out because that was when the true

00:28:26.640 agenda came out. So Matt's exact words were I'll be objective. I'll show both sides of the story.

00:28:30.800 That event was incredibly positively transformational for everyone who went through the guys who fought

00:28:35.360 and the guys who didn't fight. There was a real buzz. You know, you bring high quality men together.

00:28:38.960 Everyone examines their weaknesses, where they can improve in life, does something challenging.

00:28:43.040 It's what men have done all throughout history, that right of passage.

00:28:45.760 We were talking about that before we launched. You have to test yourself. If you're going to

00:28:48.720 learn combat skills, you must test yourself, get in the ring, get punched in the face,

00:28:52.240 see what happens. Yeah. And that's what it was all about in a very risk managed way,

00:28:55.280 very responsible, incredible event, absolutely incredible, super positive. They didn't show

00:28:58.640 any of the positivity. Even Matt himself was enjoying it. The other guy, Jamie said to me,

00:29:03.520 uh, yeah, uh, you know, this is, this is, he likes boxing as well. He said, I see the good with

00:29:07.360 what you're doing here. There was a lot of positivity and there was a bunch of shots that they see.

00:29:11.040 They a bunch of scenes that they shot that were really positive men supporting each other.

00:29:15.360 But after Matt sparred with Tate, I went over and gave him some water and gave him a bit of a pep

00:29:19.680 talk. But all of that was cut out so that I could push this negative agenda. So I think the reason

00:29:25.520 there's been such a backlash against VICE, and it has been pretty intense and against, you know,

00:29:29.680 that the people involved, they came in saying they do something objective. And of course,

00:29:33.840 they're going to push the narrative. I get that. But they completely cut out all the positive

00:29:37.120 elements and tried to skew things. They falsely edited some of Tate's reactions, you know,

00:29:42.320 trying to show that he was reacting to one of Matt's questions when he wasn't. There was a lot

00:29:46.480 of very shady, very unethical practices put forward, both in the filming and, you know,

00:29:51.200 the final edit of that. And so to me, it just goes to show that, yes, VICE is trash. Yes, a lot of,

00:29:59.040 you know, modern day journalism is just propaganda and certain types of people on the political

00:30:03.600 spectrum pushing a certain agenda. So the whole thing was quite laughable, to be honest. The war room

00:30:08.560 remains an extremely positive group. That event was extremely positive, and everyone on the VICE

00:30:13.200 team knows it, and they saw it, even though their corporate masters made sure they put out just a

00:30:17.760 blatant one-sided hit piece in the final documentary. Yeah, you do have to be very careful with the

00:30:21.920 mainstream media. I learned that lesson in 2010 and 11 when they started asking for commentary on this

00:30:29.360 bill that was passing legislation here that I was the lead lobbyist. I was working with the lead lobbyists

00:30:34.640 on, and they brought in major TV shows into my office. We had to move all the furniture around.

00:30:39.440 They do lighting, the makeup, all that kind of stuff, and they completely twisted the end product

00:30:44.800 around. It's, you know, it's a bit of a shame because growing up, you know, you look at the media

00:30:49.840 and you respect it because there's an authority there that a camera is on with lighting and they're

00:30:54.800 properly dressed and they look like they're righteous and all that, but they really aren't. If you invite

00:31:00.880 the media into your life, my recommendation is do it knowing that they're probably going to modify

00:31:06.240 the story to whatever narrative they want to push, so record it on your end, have a professional

00:31:11.040 videographer, even if it's just cell phones, even if you have some sort of recording from a different

00:31:16.400 angle from your perspective in real life as they're doing it from the different angle, then you've at

00:31:20.800 least got something to lean on because you simply can't trust them, and that's just the reality of the

00:31:25.360 world today. That's what the media has become. We saw what happened with Elon Musk the other day

00:31:31.440 with that BBC report.

00:31:33.360 That was called. Top E, as we call them. Yeah, good on him. No, it's been amazing. I mean, I always knew

00:31:39.120 the media were biased. I've been media trained, you know, when I was working in Australia in various

00:31:44.240 capacities and in various corporate roles, and so my policy has always been just don't touch them,

00:31:48.640 don't have anything to do with them. But again, to speak out to the text, I've gone public. Man,

00:31:52.720 seeing firsthand what happens, you know, with the journalists and with the media types

00:31:57.760 in real life, and then seeing the final product that they push out. My goodness,

00:32:01.520 these people are shameless. There's no such thing as journalistic integrity anymore. There's no such

00:32:05.120 thing as professionalism in journalism. These guys are here to push a certain agenda, and they truly

00:32:10.320 don't care about truth. It's wild to see. It's been a real eye-opener. Even for me, as a guy who's,

00:32:15.440 you know, seen a bit of the world, and I am naturally pretty skeptical about people and journalists

00:32:19.520 and like, even I was shocked at how low-down, unethical, scumbaggy their behavior has been

00:32:26.320 around this whole Tate situation. Yeah, and the amount of influence that they still

00:32:31.280 wield is shocking, you know, to say the least. I have to believe it's dying. I mean, you have to be

00:32:36.560 pretty high-level program sheep to actually think that the media is anything other than a propaganda

00:32:40.320 machine, driven to make you a certain type of, you know, easily mallowable human. Yeah, well, when they

00:32:46.080 de-platform you, that was the first step. When they de-platform you and they take you off the

00:32:50.480 mainstream platforms to silence you, you don't prove the man wrong. You just prove that he has

00:32:56.240 something to say that people now really want to hear, right? Plus, I think he got even more reach

00:33:02.880 after they de-platformed him because the strategy with the kids using the clips was just phenomenal.

00:33:09.600 That was brilliant. That was just great, man. He never went away. He didn't look cancelled to me

00:33:15.840 either. That's it. At the end of the day, all these people who are competing for attention and,

00:33:20.160 you know, the youth or, you know, young men or anyone really, does their message improve your

00:33:25.440 life? You know, all these internet celebrities, I didn't know a lot of them existed, but, you know,

00:33:29.840 through being in Tate's orbit, I've come across a lot of them. There are a lot of people who are

00:33:34.000 famous just for the sake of being famous. Yeah, they're dancing clowns. Yes, they might be amusing,

00:33:38.240 but how do they add value to your life? If someone follows Tate and, you know, the tenets of Tate,

00:33:43.360 as per, you know, corporate-tate.com, talks about self-cannability, discipline, talks about

00:33:48.400 being the man who protects and provides all these positive masculine traits, which no one else is

00:33:52.960 really putting out there except for yourself and some others in similar sort of speaker demographics.

00:33:59.520 Those who follow Tate, their lives are improved and some of them drastically. I walk around with

00:34:05.120 Tate all the time. We have people walking out, hey, Hustlers University changed my life. I bought

00:34:09.120 out a car for my mum. You know, your messages really helped me get back in the gym. Your messages

00:34:13.520 made me want to, you know, have better relationships with my parents. If your message improves the lives

00:34:18.800 of your followers, you're only going to get more and more famous. So all these people are surprised

00:34:22.000 about the fact that Tate got famous quick. I don't, I'm not surprised at all. His message is

00:34:26.400 transformationally positive for those who follow it. Of course, he's going to get famous, and of course,

00:34:30.160 he's going to stay famous. You can't cancel a voice that significantly improves people's lives

00:34:35.120 because they're hungry for more. It's simple market demand.

00:34:38.960 Um, he recently converted to Islam, right? In the fall-ish, roughly?

00:34:44.640 Yeah, I think it was December.

00:34:46.480 Yeah.

00:34:46.880 And you, you were prior to that already converted, or was it something that you've done recently?

00:34:51.600 Can you-

00:34:52.160 I was post that, yeah. But I mean, I've been in the Middle East for 15 years. I first had Muslim

00:34:57.200 friends trying to make me revert back in 2004, you know? So it's, I've been around it for a while.

00:35:02.960 Can you talk about Islam? Because I don't completely understand it. I have some Muslim friends.

00:35:07.680 I have some understanding around it, but you as a Caucasian Australian man that, you know, lives in

00:35:12.960 Dubai, I'd like to hear from your perspective why you chose to adopt that as your religion and how

00:35:19.360 that's been for you.

00:35:20.080 Certainly, mate. So for me, the path to Islam was a very slow one. There was a lot of reading,

00:35:24.880 and again, a lot of speaking to practicing Muslims. And I realized the brothers who are really

00:35:30.720 about it and who really, you know, earnestly practice Islam, they're men you can respect.

00:35:34.960 They're the sort of men you want around you, those who take their faith seriously. And so I think as

00:35:40.160 men, we all want that brotherhood. We all want a relationship with, or a way to interpret

00:35:48.160 this human experience, a relationship with the higher power or whatever label you want to give it.

00:35:53.120 And I think nowadays, and this is an important point, for young men especially, we live in an

00:35:59.680 age where there's more distraction than ever. You know, there's unlimited porn that's free on your

00:36:03.920 phone. Hookup culture, man, let's face it, it's not hard to get caught up in endless casual sex with

00:36:09.360 women. It's easier to access, you know, drugs and alcohol and all these things more than ever before.

00:36:15.280 The beauty of Islam is that it provides a very clear system with which to approach your daily life.

00:36:20.560 It's a lot more than what other religions are, as I understand them. And it is a system for living,

00:36:26.000 which demands, if you practice, practice it earnestly, demands discipline, it demands that

00:36:30.320 you be strong, demands that you work hard to protect and provide, it demands that you show respect to

00:36:35.600 your brothers. The spike in discipline and, and the way I'm successfully kicking goals every day,

00:36:43.040 the way I'm successfully, you know, avoiding hedonism, not drinking is a great blessing,

00:36:47.120 completely cutting away all dating and just meaningless sex. Islam has given me a real boost

00:36:57.040 with which to live the most productive life that I can, simply because it enforces, if you practice

00:37:02.080 it earnestly, such a clear discipline, such a clear structure and a system with which to approach life.

00:37:06.880 And it's, it's real powerful. It is really a way to supercharge your life again, if you practice it

00:37:13.360 earnestly. What are your favorite parts of it?

00:37:16.720 I mean, my decision was, was logical to revert in that I saw it as a way to be a better version of

00:37:24.640 the man that I am. There's also an emotional element. So when I live across from the mosque,

00:37:28.960 which is quite a beautiful thing. So I aim to pray once or twice every day in the mosque.

00:37:34.080 And in Islam, they said, that's a moment for your heart to be at rest. And what, what that means,

00:37:38.400 essentially, is that you can forget, you know, all of your stresses, forget the daily worries,

00:37:44.080 you know, is my fourth supercar working or not? You can forget all these things, you know,

00:37:48.240 the problems of the world. And you just focus on what matters and what doesn't. And then just this,

00:37:52.480 the sentence, Allahu Akbar, saying God is the greatest. You're reminding yourself that your

00:37:57.920 worldly troubles don't matter. You are programming your mind to keep in mind what matters and what

00:38:03.120 doesn't. And if you try and pray as often as possible, you are routinely throughout the day,

00:38:06.320 having a perspective reset about what matters and what doesn't. And let's face it, in this world,

00:38:10.720 there's a lot of destruction. There's a lot of stress. There's a lot of material issues.

00:38:14.560 To regularly stop, to clear all of that out and just ground yourself and remind yourself what

00:38:19.840 matters and what doesn't, I find to be very powerful. I also love that the brotherhood in

00:38:23.520 Islam, it's real. There's real brotherhood there. And I love the fact that the more I learn about Islam,

00:38:28.720 the more I want to learn about it. And it's not a chore. For me, you know, sitting, reading,

00:38:33.120 I'm busy. I've got stuff to do. I find it a bit of a chore when I have to read about a new topic.

00:38:37.200 The more I read about Islam, the more I learn, the more I want to learn. And I thought I understood

00:38:41.440 Islam before I reverted. Man, I know nothing. There's so much to learn. You can literally devote

00:38:46.960 your life to learning. There's such content there. And the amounts of moments I've had where I've found

00:38:52.880 belief systems through human experience, but then I read about it in an Islamic text. I'm like,

00:38:58.480 okay, this was written hundreds of years ago. And it took me maybe 40 years to figure this out

00:39:02.640 myself. What if I'd found this as a man, you know, earlier in life? And just the other day,

00:39:08.400 actually, a guy in war room in Scotland, he's 21. He chose to revert. I reached out and said,

00:39:13.360 hey man, congratulations. Welcome to brotherhood. What was your reason for doing so? He said,

00:39:17.520 consciously, I know that I will struggle and I am struggling with all of the, you know, the women,

00:39:23.200 as I said, you know, access to hedonism, all the distractions of the world. Islam is the most

00:39:29.120 powerful way to make sure I'm living on a straight path. It's a term that's used, that my days are free

00:39:33.840 of distraction, that I'm staying disciplined, that I'm staying free from, you know, shaitan and all

00:39:38.560 the rubbish that's out there and shaitan being the devil. And much respect to him. As a young man,

00:39:43.680 you know, in Scotland, he hasn't got a mosque across the road. He has, through a process of research,

00:39:48.480 thought, what's the best system I can adopt to best interpret the human experience and be the

00:39:53.760 best man that I can, the most disciplined man that I can? And the answer that he came to, as

00:39:57.360 many are coming to nowadays, is Islam. Super powerful, man. I'd love to, I'd love to send you

00:40:01.600 some reading. Yeah, I'll certainly take a look at it. Is there encouragement in the war room to join

00:40:07.440 Islam? No, the war room is completely, you know, like, there's a lot of Muslim brothers in the war

00:40:13.040 forum, because it's, you know, traditional values. Men being men, women being women, this is all

00:40:18.960 pretty strongly protected within Islam. So there's some similarities in belief systems. But we have

00:40:23.760 every religion you can imagine in the war. It's not about religion, it's about men working together to

00:40:28.720 achieve masculine excellence in all areas of life. Living in a place like Dubai, and as traveled as you

00:40:35.200 are seeing the world, and you're very familiar with the whole, like, liberalization of the West and the

00:40:40.880 narrative of the toxic feminism stories, and the trans flags, and the, you know where it's going,

00:40:46.560 and where I'm going with this. Have you seen much of this try to penetrate Dubai? Have you seen much of

00:40:51.600 this try to penetrate Islamic culture and religion? Is it, is it trying? Is it having any success? I'm just

00:40:58.160 curious as far as what you see. Yeah, it's definitely trying. But I think the benefit over here is you have

00:41:03.280 the state tied into religion. And back in the day, I used to always think that was a bad thing. But if you don't have,

00:41:09.120 you know, the leaders held to account by religious code, then they can do whatever

00:41:12.800 they want. And humans are pretty self centered. So I think the fact that the laws here are backed up by

00:41:19.680 Islam. Yes, you know, American culture will creep in. Yes, it's hard to stop young people get getting

00:41:25.440 their heads polluted with all the tick tock and Netflix nonsense. But there's a strong foundation

00:41:32.400 behind the laws here and in the minds of the leaders, and that is Islam. And I firmly believe that,

00:41:36.960 inshallah, in 1000 years, people will still be practicing Islam the same way. It's fiercely

00:41:41.600 protective of its values, of its holy, you know, scriptures, and so on. And there's,

00:41:47.360 I think, if you wanted to bet on one religion lasting, you know, the coming centuries, it has

00:41:52.640 to be Islam. It is so strong in its beliefs. So yes, you see the West and liberalism trying to permeate.

00:42:00.160 But I do view this part of the world as a bit of a bastion, again, because it's backed up by

00:42:05.120 that relationship to a very strong faith. And just the other thing I'd put out there,

00:42:09.280 I'd like to think that in Dubai, both in the local community and the expat community,

00:42:14.880 people are pretty, you're allowed to speak freely here. Obviously, you don't speak against the

00:42:18.640 government or against religion, that's fine. But you are allowed to speak, you are allowed to say

00:42:22.800 things like, I think if a woman, a man is, or you know, I think if a kid says he feels like an

00:42:29.120 elephant at the age of six, that doesn't make him an elephant, and you shouldn't go and put,

00:42:32.880 you know, elephant hormones in you're allowed to say these things over here, it's quite refreshing.

00:42:36.960 And so, also, I'd like to think that, at least the people in the circles I mix here, they understand

00:42:42.240 that all these liberals pushing their liberal agendas, they're not very happy people, they don't

00:42:45.920 have quality relationships. And as I said, on that Vice documentary,

00:42:50.640 of course, any man can do what he wants, any woman can do what he wants. The question to ask is,

00:42:54.640 how are those belief systems working out for you? And whenever I see, you know,

00:42:59.120 liberal relationships where the man's trying to be the woman, woman's trying to be the man,

00:43:02.480 everyone's competing, it doesn't seem like there's much passion there, it doesn't seem like there's

00:43:06.160 much productivity, you know, working together as a family unit to win and live the best life you can.

00:43:11.680 Whereas when I look at those relationships that are adhering to traditional values,

00:43:14.880 you have a man protecting and providing, he's stoic, you have a woman caring,

00:43:18.560 making a beautiful home, supporting a man in every way, you're providing that feminine

00:43:22.720 healing energy that men can't produce themselves. That's where I see fulfillment. So I have to believe

00:43:27.840 that this whole liberal push is going to fade off simply because the people who buy into it,

00:43:32.480 they're not happy. The people who reject it and they follow those traditional values,

00:43:36.000 they're fulfilled. That's my read on these things.

00:43:38.320 Which country or leader do you admire at this point in your life as you, as you sort of look

00:43:45.280 around at the way things are unfolding?

00:43:47.600 That's a very easy answer for me. It's going to have to be the UAE. The leadership here,

00:43:51.600 I know that there's a lot of pressure on them to modernize and live, you know, be more liberal.

00:43:56.480 And I understand that they're calculating these things and then doing it in a very careful and

00:43:59.680 conscious way. But they're still making sure that faith is first and foremost. They're still

00:44:03.600 making sure that values that this culture is based on as traditional values of men being strong and

00:44:10.160 capable of women being supportive and, and of course, capable as well, but you know, not trying to be

00:44:14.800 men. That's being kept here. So the leadership of this country, I think they've got the perfect balance.

00:44:20.960 You've got that modern lifestyle, but there's also no crime. And there's also you can speak

00:44:25.120 about traditional values, you can speak against liberal agendas. I really do think the leadership of

00:44:29.440 this country have got it absolutely right. And that's why I encourage everyone, especially those

00:44:34.160 with the family, have a look at the UAE. It's, it's safe. It's, it's, the schooling is incredible.

00:44:39.120 You're not going to have any strange agendas pushed on your kids without even knowing about it.

00:44:42.960 You know, anyone in the West who really wants to protect the minds of their children would do well

00:44:48.880 to relocate over to Dubai or to the UAE.

00:44:52.960 How is the school system there for children? I'm curious about that too now.

00:44:56.640 So do they, do they teach, you know, boys to be men and girls to be women? Like,

00:45:04.320 what does the curriculum look like?

00:45:06.160 Okay. So there's, there's British curriculum, there's, you know, international baccalaureate,

00:45:09.760 international, you know, the international curriculums, it's the same as anywhere else,

00:45:12.960 but you won't get any liberal propaganda pushed. That's all it is. That just, no one, as I understand

00:45:19.600 it, no one will dare. There's, there's Islamic law here. And so if you come in and you try and put,

00:45:24.960 push something of a sexual nature on children, you're going to get in trouble. And rightfully

00:45:29.120 so, because you're, you're going against the laws of the country. So it's, man, the schooling is

00:45:34.160 amazing. Both my kids were here for their early years. You know, they now live in another country,

00:45:38.080 but I couldn't be happier with the first five, six, seven years of both nursery and schooling

00:45:43.040 that they had without any weed agendas in a very safe environment. And at one point, I think there was

00:45:47.840 something like 108 different nationalities in, in my kids' schools. It's such an international

00:45:54.160 environment, man. The schooling here is one thing I've really got right as well. It's incredible.

00:45:59.520 Interesting. Is there anything that you don't like about Dubai?

00:46:02.880 I miss the nature, brother. I really do. Like I grew up in, you know, I miss, I miss the rolling

00:46:07.920 hills and the trees and so on, but I mean, there is nature here, but it's just not as green as what I'm

00:46:12.720 used to, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. You can travel. We've got Emirates

00:46:16.080 airlines, you know, traveling with Emirates is a real blessing as well. They just travel

00:46:19.040 regularly. No, it's a good hub. I've spoken to a few people that, you know, that have to travel

00:46:23.440 for business and they find that Dubai's geolocated very well. So if you want to hit Asia, it's close.

00:46:28.480 If you want to hit Europe, it's close. You know, most of what you need to hit and do business with

00:46:32.640 the exception of North America is relatively close. You're a big car guy. Let's talk about cars,

00:46:38.560 man. Actually, I want to talk about the colors that you select for your cars,

00:46:42.480 because they always end up being an emerald green and gold and shrimp. Can you talk about

00:46:47.040 those wraps and those interior trims? Because I mean, I think you ripped apart the interior of

00:46:51.120 your Ferrari and you had it redone in green and gold, didn't you?

00:46:54.160 Yeah. And I wasn't, I haven't taken it to a Ferrari club meetup yet. I'm a bit reluctant to do so.

00:46:59.040 I'm not sure if that improved. You know, Ferrari is very old money. What I do to my cars is extremely

00:47:03.680 new money. Yeah. For me, green's always been the color, you know, of nature, now of Islam. And I

00:47:12.240 just thought, why not make all the cars green? You know, anyone can buy a car, but really modifying

00:47:16.160 a car, making it yours. I mean, that's fun. And I love the, I love the build process. I love,

00:47:20.640 you know, the custom wheel makers that I use. I love the mechanics that I use to tweak that power.

00:47:24.720 I love the interior guys. I love really making something, an expression of who I am and what I

00:47:30.240 like. And that ties into this whole custom-made reality. A lot of people with money, you can attest

00:47:34.160 to this. A lot of guys, I'm sure that you deal with your coaching, they've got their money,

00:47:37.120 right? They're rock stars in business, but their day-to-day reality isn't very fulfilling.

00:47:41.040 They don't have that custom-made reality. And that's something we really promote within the

00:47:44.240 war and work towards. Having, waking up every day, thinking every single element of my life

00:47:48.960 to the simple stuff like the clothes or the cars or the house, to the more complex stuff,

00:47:53.200 to that meaningful work, to the brothers that I have around me, every single element of my day-to-day

00:47:57.840 reality is as fulfilling as it can be. I'm giving back to society, I'm mentoring, I'm going on

00:48:02.800 on adventures with the brothers. That to me is living. That is my current focus, my current goal.

00:48:07.760 And the cars are just a representation of that. I could never leave a car stock. The Corvette,

00:48:13.040 I tried for the longest time to keep it in warranty. Nah, it's gone. Warranty's gone.

00:48:17.600 I'm going to tweak it heavily. Because again, I'm building that car. Everything in every area of my

00:48:22.720 life that I want to be a certain way, I make that certain way. And it's very fulfilling. And I'm

00:48:27.920 trying to encourage other men to think, you know what, you don't have to live the life that the

00:48:33.840 world prescribes for you. You've seen that study, the five wishes or five regrets for dying. Regret

00:48:39.440 number one, I believe, is I wish I lived a life that I wanted to, as opposed to the life that was

00:48:44.080 expected of me. And this was a study of thousands of men on their deathbed. So within the war room,

00:48:48.000 and it's something I really pushed personally, have the courage and show me what was possible here.

00:48:52.880 Have the courage to go and create that life that you want, not the life that others expect of you.

00:48:56.960 I was very conservative, and I saved a lot more than I do now, and was very,

00:49:01.280 you know, sort of spendthrift with my money. Now I enjoy my life. I've got enough, you know,

00:49:05.760 I'm financially independent, I'm not going to go hungry. Let's be that guy who takes a $400,000

00:49:10.400 Ferrari and rips it to pieces, and hope that it ends up well. Because you know what, it's my life,

00:49:15.280 and I have the courage to do what I want with my life. And so that's, that's something that takes

00:49:18.560 really role model and something that the war room really promotes. And that's why to answer,

00:49:22.000 you know, your question in a long manner. That's why all the cars look the way they do.

00:49:25.440 Is it a, I'm going to try to pull up your Instagram just to sort of show you guys some

00:49:30.160 of these cars, because I think they're fun to look at anyway. Is it a, is it from the design

00:49:36.000 perspective of the vehicle you're doing it because of the aesthetics of infusing the green and gold

00:49:42.240 into the design of the car? Do you look for lightness? Like when you design wheels, you know,

00:49:46.560 for example, do you ask the manufacturer to ensure the wheel is as light as possible to reduce the

00:49:51.440 unsprung weight? Like, is it, is it looks over function or is it function over looks for you?

00:49:55.840 I mean, look, I should say it's function over looks, but it's not. It's aesthetics. I really

00:49:59.600 do enjoy creating cars that have that sort of emotional impact on me. And I love my cars. I can

00:50:04.240 never sell them. I personalize them way too heavily. And look, I do put them on Instagram. I do have fun

00:50:09.280 with them. But at the end of the day, I'm doing it for me. If someone doesn't like what I'm doing,

00:50:12.320 then, you know, all right, fine. That's, I mean, to quote our man, Tate, what color is your

00:50:17.200 spaghetti? So yeah, it's, it's 100%. It's mostly aesthetics. I enjoy making something mine,

00:50:25.760 if that makes sense. I enjoy having fun with it. Sorry, excuse the water. Muslims in Dubai can now

00:50:31.600 break their fast. So I need some water. Okay, no problem. Are you in a period of fasting right now?

00:50:37.440 No, you can't eat or drink during the day. Ramadan's amazing, man. I didn't realize like,

00:50:42.960 and this is where the intelligence of the system of Islam comes out. Your mind is clearest when

00:50:48.000 you're fasting. I mean, I'm sure you know that. So Islam requires you to fast for a month, a year,

00:50:54.240 and to focus on prayer, to focus on, you know, family, to focus on community. It's such a,

00:51:00.880 there are so many powerful elements to Islam that until you've experienced it, you don't really

00:51:04.860 appreciate how beneficial it is. Imagine one month a year, if you were fasting and reflecting on your

00:51:09.820 faith and reflecting on life and, you know, praying as enthusiastically as possible, wouldn't

00:51:14.300 that be a healthy thing? Wouldn't that be a healthy reset each year? That's what Ramadan is. So from

00:51:18.540 the outset, people think, oh, they just don't eat. That's, that doesn't make much sense. It's a month

00:51:22.060 to really focus on your faith and focus on what matters in life with a clear head that comes from

00:51:26.380 fasting. I think you can't drink water during the day either. It's a dry fast and that, man,

00:51:30.780 that messed me up to start with. I'm no stranger to fasting, but that dry fasting, massive headaches.

00:51:35.580 But then some of my brothers taught me some, some tricks to get around that. Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:39.660 The water is what is challenging, definitely. But it demands you to slow down. It demands, you must

00:51:45.420 slow down and reflect on your faith on what's real. It's, it's powerful, man. It makes a lot of sense.

00:51:50.700 So this is, so this is both your cars. This is a shot from the Ferrari shooting the Corvette.

00:51:55.660 I got to ask you because a lot of Aussies that I know, they tend to have an affinity for American

00:52:03.420 muscle cars. I don't know what it is. Australians just love American muscle cars. What, what is it

00:52:08.620 with that, man? Like, why do you guys like American muscle cars so much?

00:52:11.900 Yeah, you're right. It's real thing. And there's a real community in Australia for classic muscle

00:52:14.460 cars too. I think it's just because they're masculine. I really do. It's a real, it's a masculine

00:52:18.220 thing to have a muscle car. And also the Ferrari that I've got, the 812, if I wanted that car in

00:52:23.820 Australia, it's almost a million dollars. Like there's taxes and things that just jack up the

00:52:28.300 price and, you know, a million Aussie dollars, which is about six, 700, you know, US dollars.

00:52:34.140 So I think a lot of these cars that I have here in Dubai are just, they're just unattainable for

00:52:39.260 a lot of people in Australia because of the strange taxes and import duties and all these things.

00:52:43.740 The Aussies love their muscle cars. And man, I love that Corvette. If I bought the Corvette first,

00:52:47.820 I might not have bought the Porsche or the AMG or the Ferrari. It ticks so many boxes for the price

00:52:52.780 of a nice watch. People are like, oh, it's only a Corvette. Say what you want. It's an incredible

00:52:57.580 car, incredible value. And it's so much fun. Even on track, it's fun. It's so flat. Like it's a good

00:53:01.660 car. Yeah. It's a, it's a really good platform for what I've seen. I mean, I haven't driven it yet,

00:53:06.220 but I was watching a video the other day. Um, I'm sure you're familiar with drag times with Brock

00:53:10.300 and he, and he put a Z06. Yeah. He, he, he put a Z06 up against an 812 and the Z06 actually beat the

00:53:19.900 812 down the quarter mile. The Ferrari's traveling faster at, at the trap, but the Corvette beat it

00:53:27.100 to the quarter mile. I think it was like a, uh, a 10 five versus like a 10 eight. So the, so the

00:53:32.220 Ferrari is a little bit slower, but on the highway, it's, it, it really moves. Um, that's one third,

00:53:37.340 one fourth, one fifth of the price. I can't argue with that. Yeah. Well, well, the Z06, I don't know

00:53:42.380 what they sell for because they're all going well over lists. You'd probably be able to buy one

00:53:46.460 in about a year or two for about 150, 160, something like that. Okay. All right. That's

00:53:49.900 all right. That's, that's okay. Z06 is a bit different from the stock C8. The C8 is a nice

00:53:53.740 car like the one you have, but the Z06 with that, with that flat plane crank, it sounds phenomenal.

00:53:58.460 It's an incredible motor. Yeah. I did want one of those, but I couldn't wait. It's taking a while

00:54:02.700 for them to get over here. You won't, you won't be able to get one. I mean, I, I called the dealer

00:54:06.300 when they announced it and they're like, yeah, we can get you one in like three years. If you want

00:54:09.020 to put a deposit, I'm like, I'll just, I'll wait for one to show up on the used market. Maybe they'll get

00:54:12.860 one then. It's like buying a Rolex watch at this point, right? You get on the wishlist and you just

00:54:16.540 hope. Isn't it insane how, how, how, how difficult it is to get some of these toys?

00:54:23.100 I think, I think it is at the moment. I have to believe that we're close to some kind of

00:54:26.140 recession and things are going to normalize a bit. There's so much money floating around. Everyone's,

00:54:29.500 you know, everyone's trying to get a piece of every toy that they can. But I'd like to ask you a

00:54:33.340 question, man. When I was getting divorced back in 2018, after nine years of being the textbook,

00:54:38.940 you know, plow horse, as it's discussed in Red Bull. Yeah, the nice guy, just getting exploited.

00:54:45.660 Your work, Rolo's work and your work really helped me in terms of mental health, in terms of

00:54:51.420 deciding that I did deserve better and that I did deserve healthy support of women, you know,

00:54:55.980 women in my life. But also I personally believe that Red Pill is very useful in terms of understanding

00:55:03.260 what's wrong and understanding the risks and understanding, you know, and having that wake

00:55:07.980 up to wake that cheap man up so that he can understand that he deserves better. What do

00:55:12.940 you believe is the answer? I have an answer. I'd love to hear yours. Once you've got that

00:55:17.420 Red Pill awareness and you're aware of the issues that can come from, you know, just following that

00:55:21.820 Blue Pill dream, what do you think is the solution for then going on and creating positive, respectful

00:55:27.020 relationships and not just analyzing the problems, but finding the solution? Because I find some Red

00:55:32.620 Pill theory, again, great for identifying the risks, but doesn't really give that solution going

00:55:37.260 forward. What's your view on that one? Yeah, I'd love to talk to you about that

00:55:40.140 conversation. I think that's a great topic. Are you talking specifically to deal with women or?

00:55:45.340 Yeah, specifically. I mean, I truly believe that a man's core focus should be his mission in life.

00:55:50.940 But if there's one way a man can mess up his life, it's by, you know, allowing a woman to come in who

00:55:55.500 he hasn't screamed properly, who is, he doesn't have the same expectations as him, who isn't

00:55:58.780 supportive and who's looking to exploit him. I think in the West, that sort of woman, you know,

00:56:02.380 that narcissistic creature is, is more and more being created by popular culture. So yeah,

00:56:07.260 specifically in terms of women. Yeah, no, that's, that's a great question. So I've thought about

00:56:12.380 that a lot. You know, I've got less life ahead of me than I have behind me. I'm probably not going to

00:56:18.140 live as long as, you know, as I am today. And I've put a lot of time into relationships,

00:56:24.620 girlfriends, dating, I was married at one point, divorced. I've put a lot of ego investments into

00:56:30.780 some of those relationships when they didn't deserve them. And definitely the whole mental

00:56:36.380 point of origin, putting yourself first, making your mission, your, your purpose, and she's a

00:56:41.740 compliment to that is significant, like adopting that. But I think another big part of it too, is you

00:56:47.020 have to surrender to some realities of the world. And some of the realities of the world include women

00:56:53.500 and female nature. And that's going to, that's going to depend on where you live. I mean, if you

00:56:57.500 live in North America, there's certain realities that you're going to have to surrender to that

00:57:01.660 women are just about here, where you might not get in other parts of the world in Asia, maybe in Muslim

00:57:07.660 culture, for example. But, but I think that women's baseline nature being hyper, hypergamous creatures,

00:57:15.260 you know, it only makes sense. Like, why would they want to expose themselves to unnecessary risk

00:57:21.580 to pair bond and mate with a loser? You have to make sure that you're looked after, your children

00:57:27.180 are going to be looked after, you're vulnerable when you're pregnant as a woman, your children are

00:57:30.220 vulnerable when they're small. We live in modern times of, of unlimited security, if you need it and

00:57:36.300 safety, you know, a thousand years ago, you'd be worried animals would break into your camp or,

00:57:42.700 you know, your village and perhaps kill or steal your children or whatever. Right. So it makes

00:57:48.380 sense that women are the way they are, but there's also factors that compound on top of that. You've,

00:57:55.020 you've got social media, you know, you have women with a entitlement and a set out sense of brattiness,

00:58:01.420 which I don't think, you know, it's been said many times in the manno swamp out there lately in the

00:58:06.300 last six to 12 months where, you know, people will say the woman that your grandfather

00:58:12.380 found he had to work half as hard and she was twice as good as a woman today. And I think

00:58:17.900 that's true. I think that women today aren't as great as they had been in the past, mostly because

00:58:22.860 of promise promiscuity. It's been pounded into women's heads now that it's okay to be promiscuous,

00:58:28.940 to sleep with a lot of men. It's inconsequential. It shouldn't matter. But we've seen, and I've heard

00:58:34.860 Andrew talk about this too, but we've seen that women that have been with more guys have a lot more

00:58:39.020 baggage, right? You're going to have to deal with more. He hurt me. He did this to me. That guy did

00:58:44.140 that to me. You know, they just carry that shit around like a burlap bag of bricks. I always say

00:58:48.380 that resentment and guilt are the two most negative emotions you can feel. One is towards somebody else.

00:58:52.940 One is towards yourself. And what a lot of human beings like to do is they like to take these,

00:58:57.020 take these bricks and they write shit on it. He cheated on me, throw that in the burlap bag.

00:59:01.420 Uh, you know, he hit me once, throw that in the burlap bag and they take this invisible bag and

00:59:06.140 they throw it over their shoulder and they walk around with it. And all they have to do is put

00:59:10.140 that fucking thing down and walk away from it. But they don't like to do that. I think humans like

00:59:14.860 to carry that, that burlap bag with all those little bricks, all those heavy bricks that pile up.

00:59:21.020 And, you know, with women and relationships, the more of that stuff they get, they don't deal with it.

00:59:27.100 They don't reconcile, you know, a lot of those differences. So there's a lot of realities that you

00:59:31.660 have to accept. And I think, you know, most of it gets dealt with reasonably well within guys that

00:59:37.900 create red pill sort of content. I see guys that are out there that are clinical psychologists that

00:59:43.180 say that they detox men from red pill content sort of thing. And then I listened to their conversations.

00:59:47.580 And I think to myself, you're fat, you're talking about things that don't make any sense. I would not

00:59:53.900 want to trade my life for your life. No, thank you. So you see what I'm like, it's, it's a,

00:59:59.180 it's a large puzzle with hundreds of pieces. And I, and I don't claim to have all the pieces in place,

01:00:05.020 but I know that I've got a lot more pieces in place than most, most of the guys out there that

01:00:08.540 claim to be experts. Yeah. All right. Nice. I hear that. And I think that's,

01:00:13.340 I think in the West, you're doing as well as any man could. For me, I believe the solution,

01:00:17.820 and this is what, you know, Tate and I have discussed a lot. And despite all the bad press,

01:00:22.220 Tate is very insightful. And it's also very caring. He takes care of, you know, the women that he's

01:00:26.860 in a relationship with. But I think the answer, first and foremost, if you're looking to build

01:00:32.860 a relationship that works is you need to find women who have the same wants, expectations as

01:00:37.660 you. And that, that lies in traditional values. Where do you find traditional values nowadays?

01:00:42.300 Because let's face it, the lure of dopamine hits from putting your ass on Instagram, the lure of,

01:00:46.940 oh, Tinder hookup culture, it's hard to compete with. It has to be a society that still has religion in

01:00:53.260 it. I don't think you'll find women who are wife material if they don't have some kind of religion

01:00:58.220 in their life, to make sure that they are living a disciplined life in the female perspective, which

01:01:03.740 is not being promiscuous and not getting caught up in the attention that, let's face it, as a pretty

01:01:08.940 girl, it's easy to get attention. You need something to hold you back from that. So I think finding a

01:01:13.900 woman who is, you know, looking for traditional values, but of course you need to have your money,

01:01:18.460 right? You need to be able to provide and protect. You have to be that masculine man.

01:01:21.260 Finding a woman from a religious background with, with a strong, you know, religious family.

01:01:26.940 And from there, I mean, I don't want to, don't want to preach too much, but I think

01:01:31.180 we're talking about the red pill. What if we talked about the green pill? And that was,

01:01:35.820 all these guys, especially those who want to have traditional values, marriages, why not look at

01:01:40.700 Islam as a potential solution? Because that is a framework with which-

01:01:43.980 Is that with the green pill? It's-

01:01:46.140 I think it is. Yeah, I saw a YouTube, I'd love to remember the guy's name,

01:01:49.660 I saw a YouTube video a few weeks ago that mentioned that. I think it was the Cambridge

01:01:53.740 mosque. There was a speaker there. Very eloquent man. Speaking about the green pill, not in the

01:01:57.660 context of relationships, but if you're looking for healthy relationships nowadays, it has to

01:02:02.220 be traditional. Man is man, woman is woman. For men like us, at least, that's what we're looking for.

01:02:07.260 For that, for that sort of woman to be found, it has to be in a religious context. And again,

01:02:11.420 the religion that has the most structure with which a man and a woman can both adhere to in

01:02:15.980 order to be the best partners to each other is Islam. So I actually think the solution post red

01:02:21.660 pill, and I'd encourage everyone to do your own research, make up your own mind, is to have

01:02:25.660 relationships in the Islamic context, because that ensures that both parties, when practicing it

01:02:30.460 earnestly, stick to the traditional values and be the best versions of partners that they can be.

01:02:35.420 So I think the solution to red pill is the green pill and approaching relationships through the

01:02:40.780 Islamic context. How does that work?

01:02:43.900 Yeah, so let me put it to you this way. So how does that reconcile with the notion that you're

01:02:49.180 going to have to be a bit of a player to get your head right around women, when the notion of Islam is

01:02:58.620 to not exercise degeneracy, for example, and sleep around with a lot of women? Because,

01:03:03.100 unfortunately, you know, the reality is today, I mean, I mean, if you live here in North America,

01:03:08.620 if you want to get your head squared away on what women are all about, what they respond to,

01:03:12.220 what they don't respond to, you're going to have to date a bunch of women. You know,

01:03:15.180 you're going to have to dig through some dirt to find some gold, and maybe you do find gold,

01:03:19.020 maybe you don't. But the point that I'm making is you're going to have to have some experiment

01:03:23.260 experiences. So how does that reconcile with Islam then?

01:03:26.140 Man, I don't view Western women as wife material, to be completely blunt, brother.

01:03:32.300 Yeah, well, I don't disagree with you, man. They're very hard to find here, aren't they?

01:03:36.380 Yeah. I think if you're surrounded by other women who are liberal and by a culture that's,

01:03:42.620 hey, you go, girl, you sleep with as many men as you want. And this idea of chase hedonism and take

01:03:49.180 drugs and, you know, all this stuff we see in the West, it's a godless society. Why would you expect

01:03:53.980 women to be a virtuous nature if there's nothing holding them back? And why would you indeed,

01:03:58.860 why would you expect men to be good partners if there's nothing holding them to account to say,

01:04:02.860 if you want to, in Islam, if you want to sleep with a woman, then you need to take care of her.

01:04:07.180 That's, you know, so the man too can't go around and play the field. And I think, yes,

01:04:11.980 I see what you're saying in that to learn women and game and these things, it does help to do a

01:04:17.340 dating phase. But if you've got a good virtuous religious woman, do you really need to wade through

01:04:23.820 all that filth that you find in the West? I don't necessarily think so. And my personal relationship

01:04:28.780 is a testament to that without going into too much detail. I really do believe if you want an

01:04:32.700 ethical, positive, traditional values relationship, then relationships in the Islamic perspective

01:04:39.420 have a lot of value to bring. I really do believe that.

01:04:43.980 I'm just sort of marinating on that for a moment because I have some thoughts.

01:04:48.540 No, the green pill. There's certainly merit to it. I mean, I've talked to a lot of guys,

01:04:54.380 you know this. I mean, I've done a lot of consults. A lot of them have been private. I've

01:04:57.740 probably had well over a thousand coaching calls by this point. And I've talked to a few guys that

01:05:03.660 married traditionally conservative women from many different religions. In fact, Islam, from Hinduism,

01:05:12.460 from Christianity, from Catholicism, Judaism, any of those. And a lot of them have come to North

01:05:19.900 America from a lot of these countries. Or if it's not North America, it's another Western country like

01:05:25.100 Germany or the UK or something like that. And they found that going through the divorce process,

01:05:31.740 you know, for example, the woman that they married is not the woman that they get divorced from.

01:05:38.060 So the whole subscriptions to certain religious beliefs, if there's an opportunity to capitalize,

01:05:44.460 because women are opportunistic by nature. Let's be honest, right? If you take somebody from one

01:05:50.140 country and you put them in another country and they're female, and there's a way to opportunistically

01:05:54.620 benefit from that new environment, that's how women are hardwired. And that's okay. They have to be

01:06:00.780 hardwired that way to survive. They have to be hardwired that way for their children to survive,

01:06:04.940 you know? So they will take advantage of legislation, family law that would be advantageous for them to

01:06:10.940 just abandon their religious beliefs, subscriptions to maximize things like their hypergamy. You know,

01:06:17.820 for example, another one of the things that I've noticed as well, too, is it doesn't matter how

01:06:21.660 much game you have, you can have, you can have watertight game, you can be good at what you're at,

01:06:26.060 you know, the man that you are, the chasing of excellence, you have influence, you have the cars,

01:06:29.900 you have people that look up to you, you dress well, you're physically fit, you're competent,

01:06:34.140 you're not boring, you know, all of that stuff. But you have to understand that women in general

01:06:39.420 will always have a level of contempt. I believe. I want to run this up the flagpole and see what

01:06:46.300 you do with this, because, you know, you've just done this with me. So I want to see what you said.

01:06:52.540 It's been said that men, or sorry, that women treat men like men treat jobs. That's what I've heard.

01:06:59.980 And what that means, basically, is when a man finds a good job, he doesn't, he doesn't look for ways to exit it,

01:07:06.220 he doesn't look for ways to improve it, he doesn't want to replace it with a new job. He just

01:07:10.700 surrenders himself to like, this is good, this is where I'm at, right? So they say that women treat

01:07:16.380 men like men treat jobs. So in theory, when a woman finds her hypergamous best option,

01:07:23.260 she wakes up in the morning, she looks at the guy, this is the best that I can do. He's absolutely

01:07:26.300 phenomenal. She'll still find some way to be contemptuous and invite a little bit of chaos into

01:07:31.580 your life from time to time. Even when things are going well, they'll, they'll manufacture

01:07:35.740 indignation, and they'll cause a little bit of chaos in your life. And I've seen this,

01:07:39.420 and I've been watching this, and I've been thinking to myself, you know, all of this game

01:07:42.140 stuff, all of this, good. But just understand that when you invite a woman into your life,

01:07:47.260 and by the way, Jewel, I know men that have multiple women in their lives, they have multiple

01:07:52.220 children with them. And I've asked them offline, you know, I've said to them, I said,

01:07:56.060 how do they all get along? And it's always the same answer. They fucking hate each other,

01:08:00.780 they're at each other's throats, there's always problems coming up with it. You know, there's this,

01:08:04.620 there's a certain degree of female nature that you've got to accept. There's some slippage,

01:08:10.780 you know, if you, you know what I mean? I don't know. What do you think about all those?

01:08:15.180 I hear you, brother, I hear you. Now, we talked about the fact that women carry baggage around.

01:08:19.580 Now, if we look into traditional relationships, and perhaps we talk about the Dom sub relationship,

01:08:25.020 where the man is helping the woman regulate her emotions. Could there be a scenario where the

01:08:30.620 man has his, he had himself together, and is empathetic enough, and is enough of a leader

01:08:35.340 to help a woman work through her daddy issues, which they all have, or her, the issues that she

01:08:41.420 picked up during her formative years, or from previous partners, perhaps, that leads to that

01:08:46.140 creating drama. I don't think it's necessarily malicious. I don't think women create drama because

01:08:49.980 they're nasty. I think they want drama because it's a form of emotion, and they're all about

01:08:53.900 emotionalities. I think a lot of them carry, and all humans carry issues from their formative years,

01:08:58.140 you know. And most of the time, at least for me, I think Eastern European women are the best,

01:09:03.580 you know, loyal, long-term women to have as partners. A lot of the time in Eastern European

01:09:07.980 countries, and again, in many, you know, emerging market countries, the dad won't be around because

01:09:12.540 he's out working, he's busy, or he's emotionally absent. So there'll be a bit of a, you know,

01:09:15.820 a daddy issue thing there. With that traditional dynamic, that Dom sub, where the man is dominant,

01:09:21.180 and is leading the submissive woman, perhaps the onus is on the man to help her work through her trauma.

01:09:25.820 So she doesn't have that inclination to create drama. And I can tell you, it is possible. It takes

01:09:31.820 a lot of work. It takes a lot of empathy. It takes a lot of listening. You know, you need to be that

01:09:35.020 guy who hears them and feels when their emotional state is off and talks, you know, what's wrong?

01:09:39.100 Nothing's wrong. What's wrong? Nothing's wrong. Oh, this, this, this. You've got to be that guy,

01:09:43.020 which is a lot of work, and a lot of men don't do it. But I put it to you that it is possible to help

01:09:47.260 a woman work through her trauma, and to get rid of that inclination of drama, and to have a drama-free

01:09:53.260 existence, to have a harmonious existence. And it is possible to do that with, with multiple

01:09:56.700 women as well. It just takes a man being together at the highest level. Being out of the West,

01:10:01.500 I think is essential. The legal system in the West really does endorse and incentivize the worst from

01:10:08.060 women. It also means screening from, you know, women who are naturally submissive and want to have

01:10:13.340 a traditional values man lead them. But you can create a reality where you have an abundance of,

01:10:18.780 of, of loyalty and positivity in your relationships. I didn't used to have it. I was married for nine

01:10:24.620 years to a Western woman. Trust me, I've been there. I know what that's like. It's so crushingly,

01:10:29.580 you know, just, just day-to-day depressing, I think would be the word. But you, you know,

01:10:34.540 if you learn from that, you can go out and create your custom-made reality in terms of women. I don't

01:10:38.860 think you can do it in the West though. And I definitely don't think you can do it with Western women.

01:10:41.740 It's very difficult. I would agree with that. I want to, I want to ask you about red flags,

01:10:45.340 because you seem like a wise man that understands how to vet women that bring potential chaos and

01:10:50.940 baggage into your life. I have a chapter in my book, The Unplugged Alpha. There's 20 red flags

01:10:56.140 in that book. I'm doing a first edition update. There's probably going to be 22 when I finish the

01:11:00.460 updates. There's a couple more that I'll be adding. If you, if you haven't got it, by the way, you can

01:11:04.620 get the free chapter from the book by just opting into my email list, but I want to hear from you.

01:11:09.180 So red flags, like what, what do you look for when dealing with women about potentially inviting

01:11:15.900 into your life on a long-term basis? Like, what do you want to stay away from?

01:11:20.380 Yep. So I'll focus on what I look for first and then, then the red flags after. So first of all,

01:11:24.620 as I said, low body count is important simply because if a woman's gone and slept with a bunch

01:11:29.580 of men, then she's not really taking care of herself. You know, I want positive frequency people

01:11:34.140 around me, people who take care of themselves. So how do you find a woman who hasn't been with 20 men

01:11:38.620 by the age of 25? It has to be from a traditional values, good family, religious family. That's

01:11:43.740 essential. Naturally submissive wants the traditional dynamics. Again, if a woman wants

01:11:49.340 her man to be a woman and they want that liberal equality, go do that. I have equal rights in terms

01:11:54.860 of women, but I'm also a man and they're also a woman. And then they want me to be that man. I

01:11:58.940 want them to be that woman. So find a woman who wants those traditional values. And for me,

01:12:02.780 another thing I think is important, try to avoid, generally speaking, women who grew up in big cities.

01:12:07.740 You want women who grew up in a traditional way with the families without, you know, thousands

01:12:12.860 of men coming onto them, walking down the streets. Cities are generally, even in the emerging markets,

01:12:17.100 are a hub for more liberal thought, more hookup culture. So that village girl who's religious,

01:12:21.580 comes from a good family, is naturally respectful, submissive, wants the traditional values. I think

01:12:25.660 that's the best place to screen from. And for me, that would be Eastern Europe. And that's,

01:12:29.500 you know, I've talked about this with, you know, a lot of different men and they all agree as well.

01:12:34.540 In terms of red flags, I mean, I think that the key one is how deeply has all this Western liberal

01:12:41.660 programming affected? Because as we know, feminism robs women of being fulfilled. If a woman wants to

01:12:47.100 go into competition with a man and I'm not going to cook for a man that's sexist, I'm not going to

01:12:50.380 support him. Well, then you're likely not going to be fulfilled in your life either. Again, show me a

01:12:54.940 deeply fulfilled feminist. Show me a feminist who has fulfilling relationships. I think there's a direct

01:12:59.580 correlation, I read a study about this, between the more feminist a woman is and the more likely

01:13:04.140 she is to consume hardcore violent pornography. Because they don't find, they don't find that

01:13:10.380 dominance that, I mean, Fifty Shades of Grey, most popular book all the time, at least the last few

01:13:14.540 decades. Women want a man who is dominant, who is masculine, who can protect, who can provide,

01:13:18.220 who can show them the mysteries of life, all these sorts of things. So how deeply has she subscribed to all

01:13:24.460 this liberal thinking that is actually damaging for her? It was one thing I'm screened for.

01:13:30.460 Any, any, any form of, of disloyalty or wanting to be the man or wanting to, I mean, any, any time

01:13:38.540 her values in life don't match yours and her expectations don't match yours, get rid of it.

01:13:43.260 And I think the key thing is for young men is listen to the red flags. Every man I know who's been through

01:13:46.780 the divorce rape machine, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, he knew there was red flags,

01:13:52.060 he just didn't listen. I think young men today or men who are, you know, looking to build a lasting,

01:13:56.940 healthy relationship, you know what red flags are, listen to them and act on them. No, no, no,

01:14:01.740 no, she's different. No, no, she'll be okay. The amount of guys who just-

01:14:04.780 I can change her, bro.

01:14:05.900 Yeah, that's it. Maybe, but is it worth the return? I don't know. It's brutal to see. I mean,

01:14:13.180 even my, my, you know, when I was married for years, there was plenty of red flags there, but I didn't

01:14:19.580 listen to them. So I think just listening to red flags, that's what we keep, I guess.

01:14:23.340 Yeah. And I mean, if you want to be in a position to choose, if you want to be in a position where

01:14:29.420 you're spoiled for choice, you have to be, you have to be a man that's worth the salt. You know,

01:14:34.860 you have to, you have to do the work. You have to have the influence. You have to be the, you have

01:14:37.580 to be competent. You have to be interesting. You have to be funny. You have to have money. You have to

01:14:40.700 be able to make money. You have to be able to solve problems. You have to have all those things. So it's like

01:14:44.060 men live in, you know, most men today live a life of a very quiet, silent suffering and

01:14:52.620 desperation. They just don't have a lot of options. And even if they do have the option to be with a

01:14:56.700 woman, they just, they don't do well with it. They're, they're like guys like us in our, in our

01:15:02.300 marriages when we were probably, uh, you know, engaged, setting up for the party, doing the reception,

01:15:08.140 thinking everything will work out in the end because you take vows, you know, you know,

01:15:13.340 you take these important vows and they're supposed to protect you. They're supposed to put you in a,

01:15:17.740 a position of love into perpetuity, but it, it doesn't seem to work out that way, especially

01:15:23.580 with the types of modern Westernized types of women that you expose yourself to. I, I, of course,

01:15:29.820 recognize that there are places in the world where women haven't been polluted in that sense,

01:15:33.500 where their minds haven't been, uh, indoctrinated into these belief systems, where they haven't

01:15:39.180 shared their body with dozens and dozens of men. Um, I mean, the data on it is conclusive. I mean,

01:15:44.860 when you look at the teachman study, it's always the same thing that you can go back to. If a woman's

01:15:48.700 been with more than one guy, she's a worse choice than a virgin. You keep going down the scale and they

01:15:53.980 stop collecting the data after 20 and 20 is like, that's not even high anymore.

01:15:59.020 Yeah. Isn't it? Wow. Isn't it, isn't it sad that modern day culture encourages women to do something

01:16:06.940 that's so inherently damaging for them? It really is sad. I don't, I don't blame Western women for

01:16:12.700 being in the state they're in. The culture, it comes at you from every angle. It comes from your

01:16:17.020 friends, from Netflix, from Instagram. You go girl, chase whatever hedonism you want, do whatever you

01:16:21.900 want. But before you know it, you've disqualified yourself from being able to have a healthy, positive

01:16:26.380 relationship with a man who respects you. And, and I mean, a man, a man's main, main focus in life

01:16:31.020 is his mission. As I've seen it, a woman's main focus and what leads to fulfillment is getting

01:16:35.580 into a relationship with a man she respects. And, and if you've had that much intimacy with

01:16:41.420 strangers and you've been that indoctrinated with feminism, you can't respect the man.

01:16:44.940 So how can we, how can we be fulfilled as a woman? If you can, if you don't respect any men,

01:16:48.860 I just don't see it working. It's a real, it's a crying shame.

01:16:51.820 If you want evidence of this and all you have to do is turn on YouTube or even any social media,

01:16:55.980 you'll see these clips show up all the time with podcasters sitting with the table filled,

01:17:00.540 filled with women. It's, it's, it's, it's the fastest growing segment, right? Like you see this

01:17:05.180 everywhere now. And they try to have conversations with the women about these notions and the ideas

01:17:10.380 of feminism, promiscuity, uh, gender roles, like blue jobs, pink jobs, sort of things.

01:17:16.620 And they, and, and they never get it. It just, it's, it's like talking to a brick wall. They never get

01:17:22.220 it. And these guys and gals that are running these shows, they try to hold these women accountable.

01:17:27.580 They'll never be accountable. They'll never change their mindset. And this is what you're dealing

01:17:31.580 with in, you know, the West. Um, it's bizarre, isn't it?

01:17:36.620 Yeah. I guess the solution, I mean, if look, if I was a guy in my twenties and I was in the West

01:17:41.100 and I was faced with the vast majority of women, not wanting what I want, which is traditional,

01:17:46.060 healthy relationship, I would focus on brotherhood. I mean, I know you've got a men's community.

01:17:50.940 Obviously I'm a big, big, you know, proponent of, and I put a lot of energy into Tate's war room.

01:17:55.580 I'd get that circle of brothers around because we're not meant to be lone wolves. We're meant

01:17:59.180 to be pack animals. We're meant to have supportive brothers around us. I get my money.

01:18:02.220 That whole Sigma male thing is completely bizarre to me where they, Oh, just be a lone wolf. Like,

01:18:07.100 look, I get the world looks like shit to a lot of people living in the West and the,

01:18:10.540 and the romantic ideal of living in a cabin in the woods might seem like a good one and being a,

01:18:15.100 a Sigma male, the lone wolf, but you're right. And I've said this many times too. You need a

01:18:19.980 tribe of brothers. You need a brotherhood. The way of men is the way of the gang. That's the way that

01:18:24.860 we've been designed to operate. You have to surround yourself with competent men that are going to test

01:18:28.780 you that you're also going to be holding accountable. And if they cannot be tested and they will not be

01:18:33.260 held accountable, you must remove them. Sorry, man. I didn't mean to jump in, but I get so passionate

01:18:37.820 about those ideas. Well, the hugely valuable thing. And as I get older, I realize how important

01:18:42.220 brotherhood is. And Tate speaks to this all the time. In fact, that's part of the

01:18:45.020 reason why the, you know, the council machines come after him. Telling men, Hey, you have the

01:18:49.580 right to reject all that modern rubbish that you should be, you know, effeminate and you should

01:18:53.900 allow women to walk all over all over you. Telling what Western men go out and find that tribe,

01:18:58.460 find that likely the brotherhood with the same beliefs and views and drive as you get your money

01:19:05.820 right. And then perhaps get out of the West and go to a country that has the same values as you,

01:19:10.220 where you can have healthy relationships. I think while it's a very positive message for men,

01:19:15.340 the powers that be don't really want Western men thinking like that. Otherwise you'd have,

01:19:19.900 you'd have an uprising. If all of the men of the West realized, hang on a sec,

01:19:24.060 the way relationships have been impacted makes it pretty much impossible to have a healthy

01:19:27.980 relationship. I'm going to work with my brothers that I trust, you know, my tribe to get my money

01:19:32.380 right and get out of the West. That could become a problem. And I think it's, it's conceptualized in that

01:19:36.540 concept of passport prose. And it's guys saying, you know what, I want to go to a place where

01:19:41.900 women still want a man to be a man and they are still a woman. And I don't want to mess around

01:19:45.820 with all this liberal, confused, take on relationships. And, and I think, I really do

01:19:50.140 think that's the answer. If you're a young man and you're looking for a healthy relationship,

01:19:53.500 get brothers around you, build businesses, win together, then get out of the West and go to a

01:19:57.340 country where traditional values and traditional relationships are still the norm. They do exist.

01:20:01.580 Places like Eastern Europe, places like Asia and anywhere where there's, you know,

01:20:04.940 a country with religion. If you subscribe to that religion is a fantastic choice to find a good,

01:20:09.500 loving, supportive, traditional values woman. I wouldn't bother trying to do it in the West,

01:20:13.260 get your money right and get out. I see no other move on the chessboard.

01:20:16.460 And that is a important distinction that most passport bros overlook is they think,

01:20:21.820 well, if I just leave, or if I just temporarily leave Illinois, Wisconsin, or whatever, you know,

01:20:27.820 city they're in and they go to an Eastern European country and they find a beautiful woman and then

01:20:32.140 bring her back. And they work at a post office living in their mother's basement.

01:20:36.700 That's not enough. You know, you have to do the work on yourself because you will get destroyed by

01:20:41.180 those women as well.

01:20:42.460 Exactly. A little saying I want to share. So in this Soviet community, there's a saying,

01:20:45.900 I don't know how to say it in Russian, but a man should be slightly more attractive than a monkey.

01:20:49.660 And what they're referring to there is, as a man, it's your duty to be capable. No one cares what

01:20:55.020 you look like. You've got a nice sense of humor. Your job is to be capable. Now, some people might

01:20:59.500 try to say that Soviet women are gold diggers. Nope. They say, I want my man to look after me and to

01:21:04.460 be a man. And then I'll look after him in the way a woman looks after a man. And so these traditional

01:21:09.820 values, this idea of you need to be capable, there's an increased burden of responsibility. No Soviet

01:21:16.540 girl is going to sleep with you because you made her love. No traditional values, religious Eastern

01:21:21.260 European woman is going to sleep with you because you're just because you're handsome. You need to

01:21:24.620 demonstrate that you have it together enough as a man to properly take care of her and by extension,

01:21:28.620 her family. And then she will give you her intimacy and you can, you know, create a life together where

01:21:34.620 you are mutually supportive and everybody wins. It's so funny, the amount of people who are trying to

01:21:38.540 say that Eastern European women are gold diggers. So let me get this straight. She expects you to

01:21:43.420 look after her financially, but she'll cook for you. She'll support you. She'll take care of you.

01:21:48.460 If you're sick, she wouldn't dream of talking to another man. She will give you undying energy and

01:21:53.260 love and feminine care. All right, good. Keep gold digging. I'd much rather that than some Western

01:21:59.340 woman who's like, no, I don't need no man and doesn't give you anything, but still spends your money

01:22:03.100 anyway. Let's be real. Like I said, it's a, it's a big puzzle with hundreds of pieces and you need to get

01:22:11.340 them all checked out. Right. Um, got to start wrapping up. Um, so I want to get, get through

01:22:16.380 these super chats real quick and then we'll sort of wrap up. Uh, excuse me. No, there's never a call

01:22:21.820 in on the plane to win show. That's only on the unplugged alpha on the unplugged alpha podcast

01:22:25.660 channel. So I'll be live tonight at eight o'clock. You guys can ask whatever questions you want there.

01:22:30.620 Uh, we already dealt with the real world thing, uh, future that there was another one here. Hey brothers,

01:22:36.620 what advice do you guys have about building a team in the tech world without relying on

01:22:41.740 non-disclosure agreements and meeting trustworthy people ahead of time? Trust is earned, but as my

01:22:46.060 business expands, it's about finding the right team. So that's interesting. That's, that's a human

01:22:50.380 resource question. Um, I think we should both answer that. So I'll let you go first, man. Like,

01:22:54.620 what do you think? I mean, look, you can try and build a network yourself or you can tap into communities

01:22:59.100 that exist. Again, I know rich, you have one, obviously I'm involved in Kate's war room. The amount of

01:23:03.820 solid tech guys we have inside you, you have literally hundreds find a community that is,

01:23:08.620 that exists. It's being run by men who you can expect and let that filter of good men work for

01:23:14.860 you. Trying to set up a brotherhood yourself as a slow process. I go and find one you can trust.

01:23:19.100 And you know, NDAs, all these sorts of things, you need to find the right character of man.

01:23:24.220 You're not going to find that without joining some kind of brotherhood such as that led by

01:23:28.460 Rich or by Andrew Tate.

01:23:29.740 NDAs don't have a lot of value anymore. Um, I get why people want them signed, but they're,

01:23:36.860 but they're not really that valuable. So, uh, I'm more of the mind, I guess maybe it's

01:23:41.420 because I'm a little bit older now, but I'm more of the mind that I tend to avoid staying away from

01:23:44.940 businesses that require a lot of human resources. Um, I have the school of entrepreneurship, which is

01:23:50.700 something I open for enrollment every quarter. Usually I think I'll have it open again, uh,

01:23:55.740 May 1st. So if you're on my email list on this thing below on the red flags, you'll get notified

01:24:00.380 there first. Um, so I prefer to set up businesses that are independent location independent. You can

01:24:06.940 pick them up and move them at any time. You have a low requirement for human resources and networking.

01:24:11.660 People will find a way when you invite them into your business, your life and your romance,

01:24:15.420 stuff like that, of letting you down from time to time. I think the brother has a very good angle to

01:24:18.700 sort of establish and weed out or, or to separate the wheat from the chaff. Um,

01:24:24.460 if you, if you cross brothers in a membership community, you'll be out very, very quickly.

01:24:30.620 If you mislead people, you'll be out very quickly. If you double cross, you know what I'm saying,

01:24:34.620 right? So I think any one of those types of organizations, whether it's entrepreneurs or

01:24:39.180 war room, my own community, whatever happened, you see a good fit with. And if you need people,

01:24:43.980 that's a good place to start. Just make sure that there's competent people in there and that

01:24:47.260 they're actually doing stuff, hold them accountable. If they're just masturbators,

01:24:50.780 if they're just talking, if they're just, um, you know, they're not acting, they're not doing

01:24:55.180 anything with the time, then that's a pretty good indicator that you're dealing with the wrong group

01:24:58.620 or the wrong people anyway. Uh, let's see what else we got in here that might have popped up.

01:25:03.660 I think that's everything. Yeah, that's it. Um, closing thoughts, Jewel. What is it that you wish

01:25:10.300 people, or let's do it this way. Closing thoughts from this regard, assuming that you would listen,

01:25:17.260 as a young man to a conversation with you, if you go back in a time machine and talk to your

01:25:21.580 younger self at 20, let's say, what advice would you give to the young men out there, inclusive of

01:25:26.460 yourself to do differently? I think the key thing that I would say is young men, you have the right

01:25:35.260 to be selectively selfish with your time, with who you let into your life, with what you focus on.

01:25:40.700 There are so many different influences trying to program you to be a certain way, which isn't in your

01:25:46.060 best interest to be that plow horse, to be that obedient sheep. If you feel you're the only one

01:25:51.100 in your social circles who looks at the world differently. And if you feel you want to live a

01:25:54.700 different life, that's okay. I mean, if I just hung out with the crowd in Australia and just lived that

01:25:59.820 life, I'd still be in Australia. Instead, you know, I've seen 90 countries and I've got an incredible

01:26:04.620 reality and have incredible brothers. You know, the Tates are my brothers. I have the opportunity to

01:26:08.460 speak to people like you, Rich. If I just followed what society wanted for me, I wouldn't have any of

01:26:14.940 the experiences or the, you know, the achievements that I've got. So young men, be selfish, choose your

01:26:20.700 own path, your own custom-made reality and get angry. If you want to change your situation,

01:26:24.860 be angry about it. That's a good thing, as Tate often says. Channel that into being the man you

01:26:29.820 want to be and going and building that custom-made reality. That's probably going to involve getting

01:26:33.900 your money right and getting out of the West. Specialize in a field that's in demand. As you've

01:26:38.300 just said, Rich, ideally, you can be location independent. Get out of the West, find your tribe,

01:26:42.940 live life on your terms. I think young men aren't told enough that that is possible. And again,

01:26:47.660 that ties into the power of Andrew Tate. He role models that. He grew up in Luton, England,

01:26:51.420 welfare kid, and now, you know, lives the dream, so to speak. So that'd be my key message. Men should

01:26:57.260 be selectively selfish and should consciously choose their own belief systems and goals and

01:27:02.380 live true to them. Completely reject everything that society tells you. Even if you're the only

01:27:06.380 one in your social circles who views the world that way, you have the right to do that.

01:27:10.620 I think that's good advice to put yourself first. It's difficult to convince young men to do that

01:27:15.580 because they've been programmed their entire youth with every mechanism out there from government to

01:27:22.140 media to Hollywood to sitcoms to advertisers to some cultures and religion. Sacrifice yourself,

01:27:28.140 you know, become less so she can become more. You know, all of those narratives are things that you

01:27:33.740 need to do away with and leave behind because, look, look, at some point, again, a lot of people

01:27:40.300 watching this are going to be like, yes, you know, whatever, fine. But at some point, you've got to

01:27:45.740 come to the realization that ideas, beliefs that you've held true, that you've ego invested in,

01:27:53.500 are probably not serving you. And you have to update those beliefs. That's how you improve as a man.

01:27:57.260 You have to update beliefs that you subscribe to that don't serve you, that don't align with your

01:28:01.500 goals. You know, one of the questions that one of my great mentors would often ask when you would

01:28:07.660 get into conversations is after you're done saying something or rationalizing. And I've often said,

01:28:11.740 men love to complicate their lives and justify why. So it's, here's my thing, here's my situation.

01:28:16.380 You'll see this all the time when people call into my shows, you know, here's my problem. And then

01:28:19.740 they'll have like some justifications to why they have that problem. And that's what men like to do,

01:28:23.980 complicate life, justify why. Ask yourself or ask friends of yours or brothers of yours,

01:28:29.260 how's that working out for you? And then ask them again, once they try to explain it. Okay.

01:28:33.580 And how's that working out for you? And then you'll get to the root of the problem, you know,

01:28:37.100 by just having these conversations and holding each other accountable and diving into these sorts of

01:28:41.660 topics. Because like you said, you'll, you know, if you want to improve yourself as a man,

01:28:47.100 especially if you're a young man, it can be done very, very quickly and easily. But you have to

01:28:51.020 surrender to certain realities of the world that aren't serving you, will not serve you going forward,

01:28:55.740 and leave them behind. And then you just walk away from them. So, um, I know that you have in the

01:29:02.620 past tried to remain mostly a non. Do you want people to find you on social media?

01:29:08.300 Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm loud. I'm doxxed. So the sartorio shoot on Instagram is where I'm most active.

01:29:14.940 Um, a lot of it's, you know, just materialistic fun. But again, the idea is role modeling what's

01:29:19.660 possible. I do try and throw some wisdom out there as well. Um, the one thing I'd like to say,

01:29:24.300 mate, just to round this out, thank you. Post my divorce, I was in a pretty dark place. I didn't

01:29:28.620 have any brothers around me. It was your voice and your videos back when you were doing and driving

01:29:32.300 around that really helped me stay positive, stay focused. When I had the whole world coming up,

01:29:36.460 a man who goes through a divorce, his friends will think he's a bad guy. Kids will think you're a bad

01:29:40.460 guy. Society will come at you questioning what you're doing. It was your words who empowered me

01:29:45.500 to stay true to what I knew, which was, Hey, I deserve a better reality than a woman who's exploiting me.

01:29:49.500 I deserve to have love and support from women. And you really, man, it was your voice that really

01:29:54.780 helped me get through a very dark time. So thank you. And let me host you in Dubai,

01:29:57.660 man. At least I could do. Get over here. I'll show you the best of the city.

01:30:00.220 I appreciate that, Jewel. Thank you so much.

01:30:02.140 You guys have a good day. Leave a comment below and hit the like button. And, uh,

01:30:06.460 you can go ahead and find Jewel on Instagram. It's the best place to check them out. See you guys.

Playing to Win - May 11, 2023

084 - The Sartorial Shooter

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