Playing to Win - 095 - Zuby @ZubyMusic

00:00:00.000 all right guys what's up we're at the 95th installment of the plane to win podcast series

00:00:07.020 uh today i'm joined by zuby how you doing man how's it going rich i'm doing great man how about

00:00:12.300 yourself doing real well um we've uh been connected on uh twitter well x now formerly

00:00:19.260 twitter i keep messing it up i still keep calling him tweets um for a while now and i've enjoyed

00:00:23.980 you know a lot of the content that you've put out we've done a podcast on your channel and i thought

00:00:27.660 it was time that we uh hopped on mine and had a conversation you've you've got some really

00:00:31.420 interesting takes and i think you're a seasoned guy that deserves uh you know share his message so um

00:00:36.760 i guess we'll start with that um i saw today that you've met up with jewels in uh dubai how how is

00:00:43.320 jewel i've never met him in person we've only talked offline uh you know several times but what's he like

00:00:47.780 in real life he looks like a a giant you know compared to you in that photograph yeah he's a

00:00:53.160 big dude man um he's a he's a great guy man he's a solid guy um authentic friendly he's very been

00:01:00.660 very welcoming hospitable i've i've met met up with him a few times now every time in dubai i think the

00:01:06.940 last three times i've been in dubai he's welcomed me and yeah he's a solid dude man he's a solid dude um

00:01:14.380 it's all internet and they're just cool they're authentic they're themselves and people are just real um

00:01:22.420 authenticity shouldn't be difficult to come by because it's the most simple thing in the world

00:01:28.400 it's it's really genuinely just being yourself but it's not always as common as it should be so he's

00:01:34.980 a great guy man nothing but good things to say about jewel man solid yeah follow follow jewel on

00:01:39.140 twitter and instagram he's you know he's a good dude and uh you know i like his takes um you know

00:01:44.920 speaking of meeting up with like people in public that you sort of connect with online i see that you do

00:01:50.580 that a lot um there's always you know there's always the notion that you know you've got your

00:01:55.140 fans and your haters and you know you never really have your your your haters meet up like i've never

00:02:00.020 had a guy walk up to me and be like hey rich and i really hate your shit and here's why and you know

00:02:04.060 they'll sort of like break it all down it's always a fan they shake your hand love your book you know

00:02:07.020 you changed my life blah blah blah um you do a lot of touring with that how like do you just put a

00:02:12.180 call out on social media and say hey i'm going to be in this town um i'll be at this restaurant or

00:02:17.060 this coffee shop or whatever you know during these dates and times like how do you normally

00:02:20.360 set that up and facilitate the uh meetups yeah sure so i do a lot of events whether that's

00:02:27.200 live performances or public speaking gigs which i'm booked for and paid for and those are

00:02:31.480 formal events ticketed whatever it may be but then outside of that if i'm just on my travels either

00:02:37.900 for an event or i just happen to be in a city maybe i'm doing a podcast or whatever it might be i'm

00:02:43.440 there for business sometimes not always because the audience is so big now that it takes a lot

00:02:49.700 longer to organize meetups than it used to but sometimes i'll just put out a tweet and a post

00:02:53.940 on instagram saying hey i'm in los angeles who wants to you know send me a dm if you're interested

00:02:59.840 in connecting the first one i ever did was when i was traveling in the states in 2019 so this is just

00:03:06.460 after i was on the joe rovin podcast and some other uh big things after i was in la i actually went to

00:03:12.840 san francisco and i remember it was like 4 p.m in san francisco it was my first time in the city

00:03:18.500 and i was just i just put out a tweet saying i'm in san francisco anyone want to go get dinner

00:03:26.180 send me a dm and i got like eight dms and two and a half hours later i was in a restaurant with

00:03:35.240 a couple guys a couple gals who who were just my twitter followers yeah complete strangers and we

00:03:41.580 were just there having dinner everyone got on really well it was a great conversation

00:03:44.900 i'm new to the city they all haven't met each other whatever so everyone just connected in this way

00:03:49.840 and then when i went to austin i did the same thing i did the same thing in dallas washington dc

00:03:55.540 new york and by the end of that trip that was in 2019 i mean you know 25 30 people were were coming

00:04:02.320 through and i was like okay this is cool uh fast forward to 2020 the whole world shuts down no

00:04:07.960 meetups or anything like that but then in 2021 and then from then onwards i mean i remember being

00:04:14.620 in new york city in 2021 and i put out a tweet saying hey you know i'm in new york city if anyone

00:04:21.320 wants to hang out might organize a meetup if people are interested send me a dm man i got 200 and about

00:04:28.580 250 dms it's big city so last time last time i was in new york you know maybe 30 people messaged me

00:04:35.400 the next time i'm in new york i got like 250 300 dms so it took a couple days to organize but i ended up

00:04:41.520 doing two meetups i did one in central park and then i did another one one of my uh supporters actually

00:04:47.700 owns a restaurant in brooklyn and he's like yo i can give you guys the whole restaurant so i did it

00:04:53.180 ended up doing the meetup in central park and then doing a dinner with about 60 people um just at this

00:05:01.340 random restaurant in brooklyn and it was it was awesome it was completely impromptu it wasn't it

00:05:05.700 wasn't a paid event or something planned or whatever this is just people who reached out to me and said

00:05:09.920 hey yeah i want to meet up i want to connect so at this point now i've done them in maybe about 20

00:05:14.760 different cities and multiple countries i've done them in the usa in the uk australia i was in south

00:05:21.740 africa in march and i ended up doing a meetup there again i didn't even plan to i didn't know

00:05:26.280 okay i've got a lot of followers in cape town or whatever people just saw that i was in this in the

00:05:30.780 city and i started getting a bunch of dms you know i got dozens of dms from individual people saying hey

00:05:35.520 i want to meet up i want to meet up or are you free for a coffee can we go out for a drink whatever

00:05:39.200 it is and i was like all right let me just let me just organize a meetup rather than you know meeting

00:05:44.180 20 30 40 people separately let me just try to find a venue and again lo and behold one of my

00:05:51.040 followers on instagram owned a cafe in cape town which was like 10 minutes from where i was staying

00:05:55.660 and she was like hey i love your stuff i see you're in town if you want to host a meetup you're totally

00:05:59.840 welcome to use our cafe for it beautiful so yeah so so we just it just clicked together and every single

00:06:05.620 meetup i've done has been so positive man so so positive and everyone always gets on well there's no

00:06:14.420 there's never been any sort of crazy people or incidents or in fact lots of those meetups i've done

00:06:19.480 over the course of the years now some people have made you know now like proper proper friendships

00:06:25.480 through those so some of those people they're now still hanging out so it's kind of funny that

00:06:29.720 i i came over from across the pond from a whole different country i land in new york or la and then

00:06:35.520 i bring all these people together and i'm the person i'm not even american let alone from one of

00:06:41.260 those cities yeah and i'm sort of the core i'm the nucleus that's brought all these people

00:06:45.960 together and then they go on and what's great about it is it's it's like-minded people and when

00:06:51.000 i say like-minded that doesn't even mean that they all have the same politics or they're all in the

00:06:56.220 same demographic or they're all whatever but there's something in the in the heart and in the mind that

00:07:01.880 connects all these people regardless of their age their ethnicity where they're from where they

00:07:07.020 grew up whatever it is these are people who are interested in i've generally found i often try to work

00:07:12.820 out what it is that connects all these people because it's not something you can yeah what is

00:07:16.820 obvious i think that it's i think it's a desire for truth seeking and truth speaking and a desire for

00:07:24.280 self-improvement i think it's people who take responsibility for their lives and who are

00:07:29.340 genuinely trying to be better people and who are trying to understand the truth it's people who are

00:07:34.900 interested in being better it's not people trying to do the victim mentality game or people who are

00:07:39.580 trying to tear down others or people who are just trying to get completely lost in all the division

00:07:44.380 and the hostility and whatever um it's people who are attracted to my message i do my best to put that

00:07:49.840 type of message out there i'm not perfect with it but i do my best to just seek the truth and speak

00:07:55.200 the truth i don't have some sort of hidden agenda as much as some people would like to think that i do

00:07:59.760 and so i think when you do that then it reflects in it reflects in your audience and so you can do

00:08:07.080 those type of events and you can be confident that people are going to get on well and it's going to

00:08:11.700 be fun and you're going to meet interesting people and you're going to create some friendships so

00:08:15.540 that's the story of it man so it just started as something really sort of ad hoc off the cuff i

00:08:20.580 didn't i didn't plan for it to become sort of a a big thing but at this point now it's um yeah i've

00:08:25.920 done maybe about 25 different meetups in all these different cities and it's everyone's been good

00:08:29.760 you were you were talking about you know speaking the truth are there um are there ideas or beliefs

00:08:37.660 that you held like in the last four or five years that you've changed as you sort of update your

00:08:43.140 awareness and the reality of the world it sort of goes and what were those if there were any

00:08:47.700 yeah sure thing man um i'm always open to uh having my views updated and as much as people may

00:08:56.800 think otherwise there are many many things which i don't have particularly strong views or

00:09:01.380 opinions of uh the things that i do it's tends to be because i've thought about them well and i've

00:09:07.180 discussed them with many people and i've researched them and so on but things that i've changed my mind

00:09:11.840 on uh okay let me let me think of a few i would let you said what last four to five years yeah in the last

00:09:21.180 five years i'd say last five years okay i would say that i've become more conservative in some ways

00:09:28.760 and more libertarian in other ways so some of that has even been from with all the traveling that i do

00:09:37.400 and going from city to city and country to country and seeing what actually works not just on paper or

00:09:43.900 ideologically but seeing how these things play out right so say for example a big libertarian

00:09:50.200 idea is um you know just being very very going totally liberal on drug policy right decriminalizing

00:10:00.340 all drugs a lot of libertarians would say you know just decriminalize all drugs people should not be uh

00:10:03.880 you know the government shouldn't be in that sort of business and so on and ideologically i i'm

00:10:11.640 sympathetic to that idea ideologically but then when i see when i when i see the result of these

00:10:18.720 progressive policies on drugs and just whether it's hey instead of you know doing anything

00:10:24.180 as people let's just give people clean needles uh let's let's set up heroin injection sites

00:10:29.120 sounds like vancouver let's not right whether it could be vancouver it could be san francisco it could

00:10:33.640 be la and you see you see the result of that not just for those individuals but for the community as

00:10:38.800 a whole and you see the negative externalities and something like that and then i see the flip side

00:10:43.540 of it right i grew up in saudi arabia which has a zero tolerance drug policy right now i'm in dubai

00:10:48.420 in the united arab emirates which has a zero tolerance drug policy i've been to places like

00:10:52.940 bahrain i've been to qatar you know what they don't have drug addiction problems they don't have people

00:10:58.700 out there on the street who are strung out of their mind and who are just living in this misery

00:11:04.620 they don't have all this gang act they don't have gang activity going on where people are fighting

00:11:09.160 over a drug turf or this or that they don't have they don't have all these problems right all these

00:11:14.260 social issues and ills which impact the whole is there is there no gang activity like no mafia style

00:11:22.140 activity like organized crime in dubai saudi arabia at all um man let me not say zero because there's

00:11:30.700 probably you know there's probably no country where there's literally there always seems to be an

00:11:35.260 underground market where there's prohibition though right sure i mean i'm sure there's some

00:11:39.740 underground stuff where you know someone really really really wanted to you know get involved in

00:11:43.800 some stuff or whatever they may find it but it's not it's not tolerated it's not tolerated it's not

00:11:48.880 out there it's certainly not celebrated it's very harshly punished and so on something like that i mean

00:11:54.620 i never fully had the libertarian position i was always kind of like ideologically i get it but at that

00:11:59.520 point i'm like yeah i think on that issue the conservative stance is the one that actually

00:12:03.860 seems to work right that's the one that that's the one that actually works um let me think of

00:12:10.000 something else um okay so that's something maybe of taxes i've always been very against i've always

00:12:17.740 been very anti-tax and again i grew up in a tax-free country yeah so even the concept of taxes i remember

00:12:23.080 when i first started working in the uk and even having to pay taxes i was like what the heck is this

00:12:28.160 like wait they just they just take your money i i kind of grew up in this bubble where that wasn't a

00:12:32.420 thing right saudi arabia was like all right cool tax-free no vat no sales tax no income tax no

00:12:37.680 nothing um and so yeah i i've gotten more libertarian on that right i've always been uh

00:12:44.380 not a fan but at this point i'm like okay both in terms of the theft but also in terms of the way

00:12:50.540 that they're spending and just blowing it on complete nonsense um you're right it's that okay i've

00:12:58.320 definitely become more anti-tax on a more um on a more personal level and i definitely started a big

00:13:05.280 conversation on this one on twitter recently um i used to be very much against the uh idea of

00:13:10.520 prenuptial agreements when it comes to marriage and after learning more and having conversations

00:13:15.420 and not just going with my sort of gut reaction or emotional reaction to the word i think that for

00:13:20.720 a lot of people in this day and age given the way that the laws are set up and just where the culture

00:13:25.460 is i think that they're actually a very good idea and i don't see them as quote-unquote planning for

00:13:32.320 a divorce or planning for failure or anything like that in fact i think i think quite the opposite i

00:13:37.360 think that it would actually incentivize more people to get married and have families if that were

00:13:43.160 more normalized because people can just get on the same page and sort of set up their own

00:13:48.180 expectations yeah especially as people are getting married later so that's like a that's an issue

00:13:52.500 recently it's always a big debate for people huh yeah i've changed my mind on that right because

00:13:57.180 i used to just be like oh you know why are you planning for failure kind of thing but then i

00:14:00.800 learn more about what the existing laws actually are i learn more about what they what prenuptial

00:14:06.240 agreements do and what they don't do um and who might want to seek them and for what reasons and so

00:14:11.920 on so that's something i've definitely changed my mind on more recently i'm sure there's some other

00:14:16.400 issues as well but let me ask you about about prenups and um marriage uh so you live in dubai

00:14:22.460 now is that like your place of residence is that your main it's going to become that i'm still nomadic

00:14:28.480 yeah i'm still nomadic um this time around i'm going to be here till around mid-december yeah but i

00:14:34.520 plan to move here properly next year i've set up my company here i am a resident yeah i've actually

00:14:40.220 got three residencies of three different countries but um which other countries are you a resident

00:14:45.080 of i'm a resident of the uk of course and um i am also a resident of a country called palau which

00:14:51.460 nobody has heard of i'm gonna take a guess i'm thinking south america central america it's actually

00:14:57.220 in oceania it's kind of east of the philippines and north of australia it's a very small country

00:15:02.320 uh they offered me they offered me uh honorary residency oh wow how did you get that yeah and

00:15:09.220 there was no catch i don't know that's something i got i got dm'd you got dm'd from the island of

00:15:15.180 fallow and they said hey you want a residency yeah pretty much pretty much i was like is this a scam

00:15:21.140 is there a catch is there some kind of thing and i was like cool i like i don't know what i'm gonna do

00:15:25.340 with this but um i think it's good to have options i'm a big fan of having multiple passports

00:15:30.440 multiple residencies yeah multiple visas if you can just because you never know what's coming down

00:15:35.220 the pipeline in this world yeah so you know better to save it it's you know it's one of those things

00:15:40.720 you see guys uh you know do when they start to get like get squared away on the way the world really

00:15:45.900 is and you know they sort of unplug from all the lies like yeah it's probably a good idea to have a

00:15:49.980 backup plan because you don't own your passport a lot of people don't know this but the government

00:15:53.280 can take your passport away at any given time right so if they don't want you to travel and you

00:15:57.160 only have one passport you're kind of screwed right absolutely so it's always good to have uh options

00:16:02.220 you know as it said so i wanted to um you know since you mentioned dubai and prenups and marriage

00:16:07.580 um i have a friend i don't know if you know him do you know um rafael wealthy expat wealthy expat i

00:16:13.760 don't know him personally yeah i've seen some of his videos i know who he is yeah so he's a good friend

00:16:18.400 of mine um he you know he's put out some great content and i was talking to the day he was telling

00:16:23.140 me he made this public as well so it's not a secret or anything but he got married in dubai and

00:16:28.860 the understanding that i had about um about that region of the world is that islam and dubai is

00:16:35.360 uh essentially patriarchal and it's friendly to fathers and men and doesn't generally have the

00:16:40.400 hostile laws the way that it's um you know operates in the west and u.s and stuff like that

00:16:44.480 he he found out the hard way that um you know being married uh in dubai what what ended up happening

00:16:52.800 i'm going to butcher this a little bit so i mean you can go to his youtube channel because he because

00:16:55.380 he broke it down but he ended up getting banned from the country from his ex-wife uh she made a

00:17:00.000 lot of allegations that weren't true and managed to manipulate the court system or the laws to her

00:17:06.100 favor and he's like he you know he's a guy that's like hey you know you should get a passport in these

00:17:10.560 countries and the tax rates are like this and this is why you want to consider it and he was

00:17:13.640 a big fan of dubai up until that happened to him and he's like yeah i can't even go there anymore

00:17:18.120 um wow i didn't know that i didn't know that part of the story i saw his i saw one tweet where he

00:17:24.340 was just talking where he mentioned the divorce yeah um and how much things cost him i haven't

00:17:29.140 seen i haven't followed up and seen more about what actually happened in the situation i didn't

00:17:34.800 know anything about him yeah it was over half a million dollars yeah it was over half wow i think

00:17:38.500 he said close to six or seven hundred thousand that's in legal fees and um levied fines um and she's

00:17:45.540 not from dubai she's from somewhere in eastern europe i can't remember which country but um that's

00:17:49.920 where they you know got married so i just wonder if you ever heard any other stories like that or if

00:17:53.740 that's the first one i i have not i know that in the gulf countries i believe that there are two sort

00:18:02.140 of concurrent legal systems so if you are a muslim the laws that apply to you on things like that

00:18:09.000 if it's a muslim couple versus a non-muslim couple it's actually different so in a muslim couple right

00:18:14.880 it'll be it'll be under the sharia system yeah or say a western expat couple it will be um you get

00:18:22.980 a different set of rules it'll be it'll be not yeah it'll be it'll be non-sharia so i don't know i

00:18:28.220 don't know all the ins and outs right and the intricacies of that i think the truth is that

00:18:34.660 with certain things there's there's nowhere in the world where the whole thing is kind of like

00:18:42.500 perfect and fair and people cannot exploit the system in certain ways right it's like

00:18:51.000 i think with every situation this goes way beyond relationships and marriage but i think there's

00:18:58.040 always ways that people can that people can get screwed over in certain situations right it's a

00:19:05.560 little bit like how you know there's countries where you're way like less likely to get robbed

00:19:09.720 um in places where you're more likely and you know and there's precautions you can take and you

00:19:14.120 should take but something bad can happen something bad can happen anywhere right there's people who

00:19:20.900 don't there's people who don't travel at all because they're so afraid oh i can't go to this city or i

00:19:25.420 can't go to that country or whatever because you know i could be a victim of a crime right something

00:19:28.680 something bad could happen meanwhile you know they're living in chicago or baltimore la or new york or

00:19:34.560 whatever and they're terrified to travel to dallas let alone uh medellin colombia let alone in the

00:19:41.200 middle east because oh well something bad could happen and you know i think there's um an interesting

00:19:47.980 question is when you know when it comes to so many things with humanity is just the the risk reward

00:19:54.780 and the potential mitigations and the things you have to just accept as risks right i mean you're you're

00:20:01.800 an entrepreneur you're totally aware of this if someone were just to look at the statistics of

00:20:06.900 new businesses and the amount of entrepreneurs who've passed versus fail and so on and just kind

00:20:11.260 of apply those to themselves and decide not to start a business and never to quit their job and never to

00:20:16.920 become an entrepreneur because the odds are against them and maybe they don't think the reward is worth

00:20:21.560 it you know some people do that and maybe it's a maybe it's a rational decision i know people who won't

00:20:26.760 get in an airplane because they're afraid the plane could crash meanwhile they drive everywhere i mean

00:20:30.940 i would say that that's not a reasonable risk situation and i think that the truth is for both men and

00:20:36.200 women in any relationship let alone a marriage but in any in any relationship there's an element of risk

00:20:42.200 right there there is like a woman takes a risk when she you know goes with a man a man takes a risk

00:20:50.000 when he goes with a woman you don't know exactly how people are going to change and how things are going to

00:20:54.900 play out over years and decades and none of us have this sort of magic crystal ball and i think

00:21:01.220 these are really important conversations but ultimately regardless of people's position on

00:21:05.800 these things there is always there's always an element of of risk let's say and i think some

00:21:11.980 people can go too far in either direction i don't like it when people i don't like the whole black pill

00:21:18.080 mentality of you know just men stay away from women don't don't date don't do this absolutely do not

00:21:23.980 get married in fact don't even bring children into the world because there's risk in all these

00:21:28.080 things yeah and it's too risky and it's not worth it and then on the flip side you have people who

00:21:32.540 pretend that we live the risk don't exist yeah that there's no risk and that anyone who has a concern

00:21:38.400 is just being a coward or they just need to man up and they just it it's it's exhausting you know

00:21:44.220 two things can be true at once you can say look these are the risks these are the things you can be

00:21:48.940 these are things to be aware of these are things to these are reasonable mitigations and things that

00:21:54.700 you can put in place both in terms of your own behavior and if need be within the legal system

00:22:00.640 whatever it may be these are things that you can do to reasonably you know protect yourself and perhaps

00:22:06.240 more incentively to also to to disin to disincentivize bad behavior yeah right especially when the culture

00:22:13.700 is against you if you're in a culture where you know if you if you're in a culture where you're

00:22:18.900 surrounded by super orthodox religious people and the divorce rate is close to zero and you're just

00:22:24.820 surrounded by all that then there's less there's less of a risk in those type of communities say with

00:22:31.120 like a marriage or something because it's more traditional you have not just yourselves but the

00:22:35.260 whole structure is there to support you and it's all normalized and so on but sadly if you look at

00:22:41.380 a lot of places in the west right in the us or in the uk or whatever where the divorce rates are what

00:22:46.020 they are and the legal systems are now set up the way that they are and there's all these there's great

00:22:50.880 there's all the great stories out there and success stories and there's all these horror stories and

00:22:55.860 things terrible and it would be dishonest i don't i don't think it's helpful to people when one of them

00:23:02.640 is totally focused on to the um you know with to the to the exception of the other one i think it's

00:23:10.500 good for people to just have all the fat look have the facts get the facts have have the information

00:23:14.960 know what the deal is and then from there you can make an informed decision not everyone is going to

00:23:21.220 come to the same conclusion and i think that's okay some people don't think that's okay some people

00:23:26.420 think no everyone must come to the same conclusion that i do and i'm like no i don't really think

00:23:30.840 that's correct but i think that we shouldn't be hiding information from people or not discussing

00:23:36.680 certain things either because oh that might offend somebody or that might make someone make a decision

00:23:41.920 that we don't think is the one they should make you you kind of see what i mean yeah yeah yeah

00:23:48.260 yeah you've talked extensively um you know about wanting a bunch of kids and getting married and all

00:23:55.000 sort of stuff and you know having a family um have you set like put together a set of guidelines rules

00:24:02.320 or anything like that somebody asked me um you know when i posted on twitter to ask him about how

00:24:06.700 started the family uh he talks positively about his plans to date mary have many children yet hasn't

00:24:11.260 started it's getting older how's it start going so maybe to sort of like elaborate on the plans for

00:24:16.060 that and you know what the strategy happens to be i saw the other day you posted uh you know for the

00:24:20.520 first time ever a picture of you and your girl yeah yeah well this is the this is the funny thing

00:24:26.200 with social media right because people have all their assumptions right i'm sure you know there's

00:24:30.320 people who think you or you accuse you of i don't know being an incel or hating women or being this or

00:24:35.580 that because why doesn't richard post a picture of his girlfriend is that ugly or something like

00:24:39.100 that it's like no because you're weird and that's why i don't need to share it exactly right people

00:24:43.320 people have private lives yeah and i have many reasons for not wanting to you know share every

00:24:49.920 intimate detail with random people on the internet so what are you willing to share today yeah um so

00:24:56.000 yeah i have a wonderful girlfriend um we've been together for six months now we are very much aligned

00:25:02.540 in terms of values in terms of vision in terms of what we want for the future we get on incredibly well

00:25:08.280 we massively love each other we trust each other and uh yeah we we would like to we would like to get

00:25:15.940 married and have a lot of babies together and you know create create that family we have that same vision

00:25:19.780 so that's where that's where i am personally um but like i say at the same time i think um

00:25:26.660 another thing that can happen perhaps on the internet is people think that

00:25:31.320 people kind of can kind of ignore the wider world and things happening with other people and wider

00:25:38.720 and other culture because because they're okay right it's the kind of the i'm all right jack mentality

00:25:43.640 right so maybe you're well off and your business is doing well and you've got money and whatever so

00:25:49.500 inflation who cares right it doesn't matter right it doesn't it doesn't affect me i'm doing okay

00:25:53.900 i can recognize right i'm i'm i'm in a good position in a lot of ways right but i can very

00:25:59.940 clearly see the struggles and problems and challenges that a lot of men and a lot of women

00:26:07.440 are having out there right so i think another thing that can can get mixed up is when you

00:26:14.140 are someone who talks about these things people can be very solipsistic and they they project that

00:26:19.780 either they internalize it and personalize it for themselves or they put it onto you right and

00:26:25.740 this is what happened this this is the reason why i even had posted that photo because i can be talking

00:26:30.580 about the issues that people are having in the dating market and the challenges that people don't

00:26:35.360 understand and i can be talking about you know my thoughts on marriage or my thoughts on divorce and

00:26:40.900 whatever it is and then people have the assumption oh either oh well i think the person i was responding

00:26:47.360 to was saying something about like how like i couldn't how you know i i wouldn't be able to get

00:26:51.700 a girlfriend and like i probably can't get a second date and i'm like look i'm not gonna like flex on

00:26:56.780 you but i'm not i'm not struggling i i haven't been struggling for for women for most of my life like

00:27:05.000 i'm not i'm not here bragging and boasting yeah look at all the chicks i'm getting whatever but like

00:27:08.840 that's for me personally that's not a i'm okay right i'm in good shape but i can still see that

00:27:14.120 obesity is a problem and something that a lot of people struggle with it doesn't mean that i'm

00:27:17.460 struggling with obesity or i have a 40 chance of becoming obese or whatever it is um and as social

00:27:23.620 commentators which is something that we both do we just talk about what we're seeing around us we

00:27:28.080 talk about things that people are going through we can pull up statistics and say okay what's going on

00:27:32.060 here what's causing this what are things that we can do how can we give people better tools how can we give

00:27:37.540 people a better mindset so that we can actually shift things in a better direction that's all

00:27:42.480 that i'm trying to do um i think that it's incredibly important that the family is so

00:27:47.260 important parenthood is important like bringing up the next generation men and women actually being

00:27:53.260 able to get along and couple up with each other and create families that's the foundation of a society

00:27:59.240 that's why these conversations are important um and i don't think that the solution is

00:28:04.240 okay cross your fingers and touch wood and just jump into this thing completely blindly

00:28:09.280 and hope that it all works out and you have no tools and you're just unarmed i don't think that's

00:28:15.040 i don't think that's a great strategy i also don't think a great strategy is just okay take take no risk

00:28:22.180 at all right just stay away from the opposite sex right because feminists do the same thing as well

00:28:27.560 right you've got these feminists who literally will yeah encourage women not right like stay stay away

00:28:32.760 from men they're talking needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle all you need is your career your

00:28:36.680 cats and your vibrator right exactly right but there's also a meninist a meninist version of this

00:28:44.180 which sort of flips around the other way women are all evil it's not worth your time exactly right

00:28:49.460 there's not much nuance there the truth is yes there are there are evil men out there and there are

00:28:54.300 evil women out there i think as a society in the west people feel a lot more comfortable talking

00:28:59.380 about the sins of men than they feel comfortable talking about the sins of women and i think it's

00:29:04.380 good that that is starting to be balanced a bit more but i also don't want it to over correct the

00:29:10.260 other way so that we go from you know 10 years ago hashtag uh hashtag you know men are trash to

00:29:17.900 hashtag in 2024 women are trash right because no some people some people suck there are some people

00:29:24.020 who are absolutely undateable absolutely unmarriageable people who you really should not

00:29:28.800 reproduce with um but that is not unique to either gender and ultimately you only need to find that one

00:29:36.060 person so it might be the case that yeah okay i can recognize the fact that yeah dating marriage

00:29:42.000 finding a decent woman all these things are harder now than they have been at certain times in the past

00:29:47.060 from what i understand from women they feel the same way right there are not as many eligible

00:29:53.380 bachelors now as there were let's say 30 or 40 years ago yeah there's a lot at the same time yeah

00:30:00.080 but at the same time you don't need to date everyone right no woman i'm like you know do you do you need

00:30:04.420 to date every do you need to date billions of men right does a man need to date billions and billions

00:30:08.940 of women it's like no you don't so i think if regardless of whether you're a man or a woman i think

00:30:14.380 if you do like really have your stuff together and you've got a right mindset and you work on yourself

00:30:19.880 truly and you pick well i think you can uh yeah you can you can change the odds very heavily

00:30:26.420 in your favor and create your own reality yeah i've been i've been having these conversations

00:30:31.100 um with my co-host moff on um a podcast series i put on the unplugged alpha uh youtube channel if you

00:30:37.240 guys don't subscribe please go there um and we would call it ladies and i've done it for a few months

00:30:41.620 now like three four months or or so and really we wanted to take a different approach to having

00:30:46.280 conversations with gals on you know topics around life and romance and stuff like that

00:30:50.980 and it's been difficult actually i thought um like you know i asked myron once on fresh and fit years

00:30:59.600 ago i said you know the gals you have at the table is that an accurate representation of what's in miami or

00:31:05.120 do you um like handpick um you know for you know salacious sort of like amplification you know for the

00:31:12.480 camera and he's like oh that's that's pretty much what we got so okay and then i saw a lot of them

00:31:17.660 getting thrown off the show and a lot of veins popping and yelling and stuff like that i thought

00:31:21.080 okay so let's so let's have a conversation here and you know see if we can do a little bit differently

00:31:24.920 see if we can you know see if we can go somewhere and it's like it hasn't changed that much you know

00:31:29.760 it seems like there's two distinct categories of women that you know we'll have on the show and it's

00:31:34.380 like there's the ones that are just a complete train wreck but they hold that to the public

00:31:39.280 via social media and um the virtue signaling that everything's perfect and they're a great person

00:31:44.600 and there's nothing wrong and they don't have any beliefs to update and uh you know that's not a

00:31:50.260 victim mindset it's something else and then you have the other you know category which seem just

00:31:54.640 seems to be the women that have it squared away right that are that are in a good productive

00:31:59.120 relationship that see themselves as compliments you know to one another and they work together and

00:32:03.720 like it's weird but it's like there doesn't seem to be anything you know where the single gals are

00:32:09.560 dealing with the situations like the ones that are claimed right and i haven't seen it improve yet

00:32:17.560 it's just you know a lot of people have noticed in the um you know in the shows and i throw it in

00:32:22.060 the comments like what train wreck you know like this that and the other thing you know why doesn't

00:32:25.340 she she see like this reality of you know the stuff that she's talking about and i try to be decent

00:32:30.020 about it like i don't ever want to throw anybody off the show like i've been called names by some

00:32:33.380 of these chicks you know from time to time it's like no we're just going to keep rolling you know

00:32:36.640 that's your opinion cool thank you so much and you know the point that i'm trying to get at here

00:32:41.760 is that i haven't seen anything change people often ask me when i do podcasts you know because

00:32:47.580 i've read my book and they want to pull me on you know i'll be like you know the question is well

00:32:51.280 how do you fix that like how do you improve that like how do you like have the sexes benefit from

00:32:57.300 one another to come together rather than get pushed apart sort of thing and i don't have an

00:33:02.080 answer to that because it requires a lot of reflection and and self-ownership and i think

00:33:07.000 the people that get it get it and the ones that don't just don't get it and i don't think that

00:33:10.420 you're ever going to change the ones that don't get it because they've they've been drunk on the

00:33:14.780 kool-aid for decades now of you know the you know the lyrics and the notion of um you know men ain't

00:33:20.780 shit and you know women ain't shit and uh you know women are all hoes and men are all dogs and

00:33:25.400 you know you go back and forth and it's like they're lobbing the ball back and forth

00:33:28.760 and nothing's really being dealt with do you see anything you know on the horizon where this is

00:33:34.260 improving or is it just like constant bickering and fighting because i get a lot of that mostly

00:33:39.700 yeah i i do and maybe this is me being uh the eternal optimist yeah i think that we are

00:33:47.400 i've said this many times i think we're in a really truly unique place in society right now with

00:33:54.980 the convergence of where we are in terms of social aspects cultural aspects religious aspects

00:34:02.580 technological aspects financial and economic things like the the convergence of all these things

00:34:09.260 has never happened before we've never been in a world before where we have youtube and podcasts and

00:34:16.240 instagram and facebook and you've got this weird uh hookup culture and you've got a decline of

00:34:24.520 religious devotion going on and you have all of these people maybe 50 of people in the usa around

00:34:32.260 my age maybe came from a broken family and all all of these things happening meanwhile it's it's much

00:34:39.080 harder to buy a property than it used to be so therefore it's harder to you know it's more expensive

00:34:43.940 to bring children into the world than it used to be we have like this convergence of all these factors

00:34:49.420 on top of each other and we've just never dealt with this before as a species so i think what's

00:34:55.820 happening right now is the sort of breaking eggs part i think that there's a lot of realization and a

00:35:02.040 lot of awakening going on right and i think that um some of that some of that looks a little bit ugly

00:35:07.800 and there can be a lot of fighting and bickering and back and forth like it's very interesting seeing

00:35:13.480 the quote-unquote red pill world clashing with the traditional conservative world right that happened

00:35:19.900 in the last few weeks between the daily wire guys and the mana swamp right yeah so so that's interesting

00:35:26.900 because people are talking about the i mean the fact that you're going on twitter and you're kind

00:35:31.240 of just seeing like normal people even using the term red pill right or they're talking about it like

00:35:36.800 it's a brand new thing that just started up last year meanwhile i mean man would you consider yourself

00:35:44.480 red-pilled that's a great question that's a great question um would you i mean if you mean red pill

00:35:52.120 aware then absolutely if you mean red pill aware if you mean do i totally subscribe to all of the

00:35:59.260 thoughts and ideas and conclusions that some people now called red pill then then no so there's a

00:36:05.780 difference between red pilled and red pill aware i i think so yeah i think so i think some when some

00:36:11.540 people talk about red pill and rightly or wrongly i i don't think that um you know perhaps when the

00:36:16.860 coin was termed by rollo tomasi or whoever else sort of popularized the term i i don't think the

00:36:23.100 goal of it necessarily was for it to be sort of considered an ideology and a belief system but i think

00:36:29.540 we can also see that at least for some people it's sort of morphed into that where it's like this whole

00:36:33.800 basket whole basket of ideas not just the analysis but also the conclusion right so i think that most

00:36:40.880 of the red pill analysis not all of it but i think most of it is accurate right if you're talking about

00:36:46.760 male nature if you're talking about female nature if you're talking about some of the modern day

00:36:50.900 challenges and just the way that the dating markets works or you're talking about you know sexual

00:36:56.060 marketplace value or whatever right some people might not like these terms or whatever it is but i think

00:37:00.220 the general analysis is is accurate right yeah um but then when it comes to the conclusion

00:37:07.660 i mean i think the original version of red pill kind of didn't really have a conclusion i think it

00:37:13.440 was just like okay these are things you should be aware of these are some facts and yeah here are some

00:37:17.540 facts whereas now yeah i think that's why you're getting this clash with the sort of traditional

00:37:22.140 conservatives because that these are both being seen as ideologies and the question is yeah it's

00:37:29.700 about the analysis but i think the clash is more about the conclusions yeah okay here are the facts

00:37:35.300 here's the data here's the information now where do you go from here to me blue pill is like i mean just

00:37:42.060 not even being aware of any of this stuff right like not you a blue pill person can't really have this

00:37:46.260 conversation because they don't even know what the term they've just never even thought about this

00:37:50.820 they don't have the awareness and all of that and by the way there is something um there is something

00:37:59.700 kind of nice and appealing about that right you know how it is as in you know the statement there's

00:38:05.400 a cliche statement right ignorance is bliss and there is truth to that right there is truth like when you

00:38:10.080 understand how certain things in the world work whether it's uh male female relationships and what can

00:38:16.780 happen with those or it's how the how the government is really operating or yeah i mean you can't enjoy

00:38:22.800 music the same way that you used to you know when you get red pilled i guess because then you start

00:38:27.260 hearing songs it's like put her up on a pedestal and love her forever and you know yeah exactly right

00:38:33.380 so so there's something about there's something sometimes i listen to the lyrics of my older music

00:38:37.260 that i used to listen to when i was a teenager like the rock and the heavy metal it's like oh here

00:38:40.820 comes a ballad with that you know pining for you know whatever well i was mostly a hip-hop fan so

00:38:46.560 if anything it was kind of more the opposite but yeah yeah like hip-hop was more of like you know

00:38:50.640 hardcore like don't trust her yeah there's there's some balance to be had there so yeah i mean i i don't

00:38:58.320 love to apply labels to myself you know i even get people are you a liberal are you a conservative or

00:39:03.180 you know libertarian and i don't mind being i don't mind like if someone said oh you know zoobie's

00:39:09.100 red pilled i don't take any offense to that if someone's like oh you're a libertarian or you're

00:39:13.000 a conservative or you're a classical liberal whatever i'm like cool if it makes it easier for

00:39:16.320 you to sort of see me that way then fine but don't think that i'm going to sort of completely

00:39:22.140 subscribe to a single tribe and just sort of play to that crowd and not say what i genuinely

00:39:27.920 believe to be true but like i said before i knows because they got white pill black purple

00:39:32.280 pill red pill blue uh green pills orange pills the god purple pill which one's green pill i don't i

00:39:38.560 don't know green pill i think green pill what's green pill i don't know something to do with some

00:39:42.680 religion i've lost track there's so many of them it's just oh green pill is uh islam right islam

00:39:46.900 yeah maybe yeah so yeah i just get like i just push it all away it's like look man there's there's

00:39:51.880 what i know to be the truth and what i know to be lies and that's what plugged in versus unplugged

00:39:56.020 is and it's as simple as that for me i don't want to keep all your pills like what do you think

00:39:59.720 of this pill story i i don't mind i don't care i think it's kind of funny

00:40:04.140 i think i think it's a little bit funny like because it's become a bit of a parody of itself

00:40:11.360 it is right it's like whatever you ego invest in you have a pillar or you'll go make up a new color

00:40:16.180 of something and stick it on a pill and say here take this it'll solve your problems yeah so i don't

00:40:21.460 know i don't i don't think about it that deeply but um you know orange pill obviously is like bitcoin

00:40:26.120 bitcoin yeah um yeah blue pill red pill we've discussed white pill is like you know hope yeah black

00:40:32.740 black pill is the sort of doomer mentality like the nihilism yeah yeah nihilism um yeah i don't

00:40:39.940 i don't know i think if there's one group of guys that i just don't connect with it's the whole victim

00:40:43.620 mindset like my life sucks there's nothing i can do about it there's only so much money out there all

00:40:48.240 the rich people have it i just want to be basic and average you know why even bother with women if

00:40:52.940 they're going to potentially do this if you don't do that or if you lose your success and they're going

00:40:56.640 to walk off on you and bang chat thundercock and it's like you know like the nihilism it's like i don't

00:41:02.100 know man because you know i came from this like upbringing and childhood where it's like i was a

00:41:06.040 skinny buck tooth you know kid that just liked heavy metal with long hair and i just always knew

00:41:12.360 that i'd like fast cars and cool stuff and it you know like it required some competency skills and you

00:41:17.940 know be able to solve problems so i you know i leaned into that because i wanted those things and i always

00:41:21.540 find it strange today when people you know it's like no i'm gonna put my feet up and uh you know we're

00:41:26.600 gonna call it uh you know giving up or we're gonna call it forget it it's not worth my time

00:41:30.420 yeah well i think the truth is as a boy or a man as a male in this world nothing good comes to you

00:41:39.080 unless you pursue it and work for it gotta work for it yeah that's the reality uh i i think a lot of

00:41:46.260 women don't quite understand this because women tend to attract things into their life you can be a

00:41:52.420 woman and you can just go out there in the world and be nice and pretty and opportunities come to you

00:41:59.660 good things come to you right if you're not repulsive if you're not rude if you're you know

00:42:03.900 yeah if you're pleasant right like opportunities will come to you it's still as much as people

00:42:08.360 want to pretend that you know we live in this equalist society and men and women are the same

00:42:12.520 or whatever absolutely pretty much every woman even the most hardline feminist they still expect the

00:42:17.500 man to be the one who makes the approach they still expect the man to be the one the day

00:42:21.320 you pay the bill exactly so you know people sort of cherry pick between traditionalism

00:42:26.780 and modernity as it suits them um but i think the the reality of being a man and and perhaps the most

00:42:33.480 exciting thing about being a man is that you really do get to choose your own adventure right i think one

00:42:40.320 of the reasons why men like video games and like movies and like these sort of epic stories is because

00:42:47.120 you choose it's an adventure right you you build up your hero you max out your stats and so on so

00:42:54.140 isn't that interesting that you get to immerse into the character and think that you're part of it

00:42:58.240 but you're leveling up a character in a video game when you could be doing it with yourself in real life

00:43:03.280 yep i mean i've made that point several times especially with guys who are really into gaming

00:43:08.120 yeah i'm like man why don't you treat your life like a role-playing game right but it's for real

00:43:12.560 right you're spending all this time leveling up in the game building your strength stat building

00:43:16.880 your endurance that building your charisma uh earning magic fake money in the game i'm like man

00:43:22.560 you know you could do you know the one i found this funniest with is do you remember when um

00:43:26.380 the guitar hero games and rock band games were super popular yeah i used to do the rock band stuff

00:43:31.480 that was fun yeah and people would spend hundreds of hours learning how to master a fake guitar

00:43:36.380 yeah i'm like bro you know with the time and effort you're putting into this you could learn

00:43:42.520 how to play a real electric guitar yeah you could go out with your buddies and start a band

00:43:46.960 and actually like gig and tour and sell merch and do some cool stuff and get it's actually really really

00:43:52.740 hard to play a guitar well i got rock smith after after rock band and you get a real guitar and you

00:43:58.280 plug it into your console and it teaches you how to play the guitar and my hands don't move you know

00:44:04.380 the way they need like i just can't get them to move maybe it's from bodybuilding and and grabbing

00:44:08.620 bars so fucking hard that i just can't like i don't have the dexterity but with rock band oh no problem

00:44:14.340 i can play that guitar all day long on hard mode right yeah but i just think when you when you think

00:44:19.980 of like the amount of time and effort and dedication that people put in like there's guys who put

00:44:25.020 hundreds thousands of hours into mastering some random video game and you know it's one thing

00:44:30.740 king of the hell video game yeah you know these days you can make a living off it right so if you're

00:44:35.100 out there and you know you're making hundreds of thousands or millions off of playing uh you know

00:44:39.120 quake or overwatch or whatever it is then oh man props to you you know good good for you but the vast

00:44:44.620 majority of people are not so i'm not even here saying like hey guys you know cut out video games

00:44:48.740 right no video games or any i'm just like man don't let that be don't let that be better than your

00:44:55.560 reality don't be using this as just a form of escapism and procrastination and instead of

00:45:01.460 leveling up your character in the real world and traveling to cool places in the real world

00:45:05.600 and meeting cool people in the real world and building all of these stats like just doing it

00:45:10.480 in the game i'm just like hey man you've already got the obviously there's something in you that

00:45:14.420 already has that mindset so just go out there get out of your house and do it for real in the real

00:45:21.140 world and sometimes it sounds kind of funny but that is how i view my own my own life sometimes

00:45:26.060 right especially i quit my job in 2011 and for the past 12 years i've really just been on this

00:45:32.600 adventure man i've been to hundreds of cities dozens of countries i've met hundreds of thousands of

00:45:38.220 people i'm working out i'm building my strength stat i'm doing these podcasts and public speaking i'm

00:45:43.020 building my charisma and my communication skills building my network building my net worth whatever it is

00:45:48.780 and i'm like man this is cool i can just create i can create my reality i can choose what country

00:45:54.200 and city i want to live in i can choose who i want to associate with i can uh i can purchase new things

00:46:00.440 i can try this i can try that and i'm just like man that's the that's the adventure of a man's life

00:46:06.100 and i think that all if you think of all the any famous story it doesn't matter whether it's from a

00:46:12.340 religious text or it's a legend or it's a fairy tale or it's a disney movie or it's a superhero movie

00:46:18.380 they all kind of have the same plot they all kind of have the same heroes just like yeah and i'm like

00:46:24.960 man every man has the potential to have that you can have that you can create that for yourself and

00:46:30.080 it's pretty cool to do it you got a lot of um uh i guess jobs under your uh banner right now you know

00:46:38.480 you're a rapper you're a speaker you're you're on social media you know you do a lot of things what

00:46:43.780 is it author you know strength training um what is it that you associate with the most like

00:46:48.940 what do you identify as

00:46:51.040 what is your identity like as you sort of look at yourself when you sort of navigate through all

00:47:02.840 these different chosen paths that you're pursuing right now yeah well it is multiple things and

00:47:07.940 they're more interconnected than people think i don't normally call myself this but if i were to

00:47:14.300 sum it up i think the thing that ties all those things together is um communicator or communicator

00:47:21.920 and or creative entrepreneur i'm someone who uses my ability to communicate and my creative talents to

00:47:29.780 nudge the world and influence people in a better direction and help them in various ways whilst

00:47:38.440 also communicating my ideas and saying things that i that i believe to be true i can do that in written

00:47:44.500 form i can do it standing on a stage i can do it through my music i can do it on a podcast but it's

00:47:49.720 really all just communication it's just different forms of communication yeah that's great to boil it down

00:47:54.440 you you did a podcast with elon musk um two questions for you how did you get elon musk on a

00:48:00.440 podcast i saw that it was a twitter exclusive and what was your biggest takeaway from meeting with

00:48:07.160 him like you know like how did you size him up yeah sure so the way that it happened is i'd say okay

00:48:12.940 so this time last year this is when did elon buy by twitter it was about this time last year right

00:48:19.060 maybe 13 months ago 12 13 months ago so as that was happening um i i was posting i posted a few

00:48:27.260 tweets just i've been on twitter since 2009 so i was just posting some things about my twitter

00:48:34.000 experience i was just sharing some thoughts and i was also just doing my usual tweets right social

00:48:38.900 commentary just sharing my thoughts around the day and i noticed that elon had started replying to

00:48:43.480 some of my tweets so you know i just post a general thing and i'm scrolling through the comments and i see

00:48:48.380 elon musk and i'm like wait is that like actually you know sometimes it's just like a smiley face

00:48:52.740 sometimes it's you know the lol or the crying emoji um and then when he was talking about making some

00:48:59.900 tweets about uh twitter and floating some of the different ideas out there so for example

00:49:06.400 i i don't know if i can fully take credit for this um for it actually happening but i suggested to him

00:49:12.580 that twitter should do ad revenue sharing with the creators in the same way that youtube

00:49:18.360 and facebook and all these other ones do um and he said yeah that's a really good idea

00:49:22.900 we know we're we're gonna work on that and so on um and now yeah people are getting paid from twitter

00:49:28.160 so i don't know if that it probably wasn't just from me but i know that he saw that suggestion

00:49:33.560 and we had a few back and forth so he was responding to quite a lot of my tweets coming

00:49:38.060 into the new year as well and then in february uh february 2023 one of my friends uh one of my

00:49:44.320 friends messaged me on whatsapp and just said hey how long has elon been following you and i was like

00:49:48.120 wait what elon follows me i went on his profile and it just had the you know follows you and i was

00:49:52.900 like oh i didn't even and then um funnily enough i think he just followed me that day and then i went

00:49:58.560 on my inbox and he'd actually dm'd me so he'd sent me a d on remember the first the first dm just said

00:50:03.700 elon here right elon here and then it was uh he was basically asking for some feedback

00:50:08.940 feedback on some things related to twitter he has to you know dm me if you you know have ideas

00:50:14.200 or whatever it might be so we just started dming back and forth most days and then after a couple

00:50:21.560 days i was just like i was in the uk at the time but i was like hey man i've got a podcast it's called

00:50:25.720 it's called real talk with zuby i'd love to i'd love to have you on it i know you're a busy guy but

00:50:30.220 i'd love to have you on sometime if you're uh you know if you'd be up for it very casual and he

00:50:35.360 just wrote back sure i was like sick okay okay okay um and so i messaged him back and i was like

00:50:43.820 cool i'm gonna be in the states in may um i'll reach out to you then and you know i'm i'm happy

00:50:48.760 to come to you you know whether you're in texas california whatever you know whenever works for you

00:50:54.020 wherever you are we'll make it happen and so he was like okay cool and then when i was in the states

00:50:58.800 in may um i told him and was trying to it took a while to pin down a date right obviously

00:51:05.280 he's flying all over the place he's super busy he's trying to run twitter and he's doing his

00:51:09.540 spacex stuff and doing his tesla stuff and whatever so we just stayed in we just stayed in touch and then

00:51:15.360 he suggested a potential date and i was like cool let's lock that in we ended up having to push it

00:51:22.480 back one more week but then i think it was like june 9th or so we did the recording i flew out to san

00:51:27.580 francisco i was already in the states i went out to san francisco and um yeah we made it happen

00:51:33.000 the the podcast didn't start until 9 p.m so you know i was we were supposed to start at 7

00:51:37.120 but he had a bunch of meetings and so on and so you know i was just patiently waiting

00:51:40.700 and then he came out at 9 p.m we met in person it was really dope to meet him actually because

00:51:46.220 he was he was super humble and he it felt like he was as happy to meet me as i was to meet him

00:51:51.660 because you know he sees my he sees my posts every day and you know we've we've been chatting back and

00:51:56.540 forth and whatever so in on one hand i'm kind of like this feels kind of natural but on the other

00:52:03.180 hand there's a part of me that's like holy crap like that's elon musk you know what i mean uh like

00:52:08.220 this guy's kind of a big deal right like after this podcast i don't even know who i can get who's

00:52:12.660 a bigger deal than this no it's that you want you want the podcast game the final boss right yeah that's

00:52:20.200 the final boss but he but he was cool man he he was friendly he was humble very generous with his

00:52:25.960 time um yeah no no no like weird stuff no pretentiousness whatever so yeah in terms of

00:52:34.760 the big takeaways man i i think one of the big ones is is connected to what i just said and i think it's

00:52:40.300 that no matter how much wealth success fame whatever you have everyone of course i already knew this but

00:52:49.920 everyone is still very much a human being and that there is no excuse there's no status that you

00:52:55.880 can have if elon musk can be humble and decent and polite and friendly to people then no one's got an

00:53:04.620 excuse to be an a-hole no one's got an excuse to like have this massive chip on their shoulder or to

00:53:09.400 be super arrogant or to be acting like you know like you see certain celebrities they might even just

00:53:14.120 be you know internet celebrities or whatever and they're they're so arrogant they're so prideful they

00:53:19.360 they don't you know they talk down to people whatever it is and so it really confirmed for me

00:53:23.340 man like there's no there's no excuse for that and there's no and there's no need for it and it's not

00:53:29.460 something that automatically happens when you hit a certain number amount or a certain number of

00:53:34.780 followers or a certain level of fame or whatever so that was a big one and then i'd say the second

00:53:39.960 biggest takeaway is also just that the amount that you can achieve the amount that one man can achieve

00:53:45.960 is is phenomenal right like i think big when i talk to average people and i i tell people either

00:53:53.180 what i'm doing or what my goals are and the things that i'm trying to achieve um you know you get

00:53:59.060 different reactions some people think it's awesome and they're very supportive i have people who think

00:54:02.720 that i'm delusional or who think that i'm arrogant just to even think that i can accomplish arrogant

00:54:08.740 person i know dude thanks man like out of everybody that i follow on on twitter and i pay attention to

00:54:16.580 it's like i said this before when i was on your podcast it's like you're the nicest guy on twitter

00:54:20.560 that like says the most pointed things thank you thank you i i genuinely appreciate that man i genuinely

00:54:27.620 appreciate that um but yeah man just there's so much that you can achieve i mean i'm here i i spend a

00:54:33.940 lot of time thinking about earth right i'm thinking about what's going on on this planet and you talk

00:54:40.240 to elon and he's not just talking about humans becoming a multi-planetary species he's sending

00:54:47.140 rockets out into space every week to to try to like make this happen and he speaks with it with such

00:54:53.380 confidence right he's like yes we will be on mars we will be doing this we're going to colonize

00:54:57.940 other planets we're going to find resources and and so and then the fact that i mean this guy is

00:55:04.780 what c ceo of x ceo of spacex ceo of tesla ceo of the boring companies doing all these things he's

00:55:13.760 got nine kids yeah 10 right oh 10 yeah right sorry no he's no he's had 10 but there's only nine that

00:55:19.460 survived yeah so so you're just i'm like he's doing all this and he's still got time to post memes on

00:55:24.840 twitter he's still got time to come on my podcast he's still and i'm just like man there are there

00:55:29.460 is no ceiling that's the thing that really hit me right like i already think big but i can think even

00:55:34.900 bigger whatever i think i can accomplish i can accomplish even more than that especially over

00:55:39.600 the course of a lifetime man you know we lord willing we have many many decades to live our lives

00:55:45.140 and you're not going to be able to do it all in one year or two years or five years or 10 years but

00:55:49.300 it's like hey i don't know i'm 37 years old right now and to be honest the vast majority of people i

00:55:56.000 look up to are like a decade or two or three older than me and i'm like okay cool like i'm i'm on the

00:56:03.960 right path yeah that's what i often tell guys is find mentors that are older than you like surround

00:56:07.920 yourself with guys that are older than you because they've got some you know they got some experience

00:56:11.600 they got some stories yeah absolutely so you know whenever i i'm not someone who really spends much

00:56:17.860 time doubting myself but i i just remind myself of like okay cool like if i've done and i've

00:56:22.860 accomplished these things these things so far awesome where will i be when i'm 47 where will

00:56:27.840 i be when i'm 57 where will i be when i'm and again god willing i remain healthy and you know

00:56:34.760 nothing horrible or crazy happens um and i'm just like man there is so i i feel like i've achieved a

00:56:41.400 lot if i if i died tomorrow i'd be very proud and happy with what i've been able to achieve and

00:56:45.640 accomplish in my time but i'm excited about the that potential future right and i'm just like man

00:56:53.880 things things are on a good trajectory i don't have it all figured out i haven't done everything

00:56:57.740 that i plan to do or want to do um but i'm genuinely excited about my own life and i want other people

00:57:04.800 to feel that i would like other people to be excited about their own lives and to look at their future

00:57:10.560 and go hey like i've got this i'm gonna i'm gonna do some really cool things i might not have it all

00:57:16.460 figured out right now like who who has it all figured out at any point but anybody that has it

00:57:21.040 all figured out doesn't have it all figured out yeah man i'm sure you get this right you get a dm

00:57:24.900 from someone who's like 18 or 21 or 24 and like they're freaking out they're freaking out because

00:57:31.120 they don't know exactly what to do with their lives and they don't know exactly this and they

00:57:35.060 haven't figured out i'm like dude until i was man i don't think i've ever even said this on a podcast

00:57:42.420 when i was so i left my job in let me let me let me give people some some sort of numbers just to

00:57:50.040 give people an idea so i quit my job in october 2011 and i became a full-time rapper i spent the

00:57:57.620 next several years just traveling all over the uk playing small gigs selling my cds on the street to

00:58:03.220 keep myself afloat uh eventually started doing pop-up shops where i'd sell my cds and merchandise

00:58:08.680 and different shopping malls and so on after nine years of grinding um after not okay no after let's

00:58:17.660 see after eight years of grinding say we're at the beginning of 2019 beginning of 2019 i remember

00:58:25.360 quite specifically beginning of 2019 i had about 9 000 pounds in my bank account

00:58:32.440 which is about twelve hundred twelve thousand dollars this is after eight years of full-time

00:58:40.580 grinding i had 8 000 pounds in my bank account on social media um i remember i had 18 000 followers

00:58:46.860 on twitter across all the platforms combined i had 50 000 followers um fast forward to today

00:58:54.980 four and a half years later um i mean in 2021 2021 i became a millionaire so i 100xed my i'm more than

00:59:05.960 100x my net worth between the ages of i don't know 31 and no 32 and 35 or whatever it might be something

00:59:14.460 like that um and at this point i have about 2 million followers on social media just just to give

00:59:20.220 people some perspective so whatever it is you're working on you can be doing something for a long

00:59:26.960 time five years seven years eight years nine years ten years and it feels like you're not being properly

00:59:31.780 rewarded or compensated for whatever it is this is why so many people give up right because it's just

00:59:36.320 like you feel like you're just hitting your head against a brick wall nobody cares you're putting stuff

00:59:40.220 out there seems like nobody cares you're not getting a lot of feedback you're not getting a lot of

00:59:44.860 response and you just have to like keep on you just keep on plowing through and you can just hit a

00:59:51.960 place where there's some type of catalyst or suddenly people start paying attention for whatever reason it

00:59:58.200 is and then all of those seeds that you've been planting over the years they just start to they just

01:00:04.260 start to sprout and grow and if you are proactive and you take advantage of the opportunities that you

01:00:09.240 have you go out and you meet people and you say yes to opportunities i remember in 2019 anyone who

01:00:14.600 wanted me on a podcast i was saying yes to everything and we want to talk yes i'll do it yes

01:00:18.500 yes yes i don't care like any tv show any any radio station even if they didn't want to talk about

01:00:23.500 the things i wanted to talk about it's like cool you have an audience i will speak to you you have an

01:00:27.720 audience i'll speak to you hey zuby we've got do you want to come to la yeah cool yes i'll go to

01:00:32.040 la i've never been there before hey we want to invite you to dallas cool yeah i'm going to dallas

01:00:35.760 right i was just all over the place saying yes to everything because i was also like finally i've been

01:00:40.880 working on this for over a decade and now some of these doors are opening i'm going to take

01:00:45.440 advantage of this moment right so if you think back i had my um you know my my famous deadlift tweet

01:00:52.400 that was february 2019 that tweet could have just come and gone right haha funny moment people talk

01:01:02.020 about it joke about it for like a week or two and then it's gone i was like no that's not going to

01:01:08.660 happen yeah just for context for people watching just so they know okay you broke the world record

01:01:12.980 uh woman's deadlift right yeah so because you identified as a woman for 20 seconds and then

01:01:18.120 lifted the weight and dropped it and said okay i'm a man yes you know what let me let me give people

01:01:21.440 the let me let me give people the proper context of this story okay so i was running the last pop-up

01:01:27.320 shop that i'd ever run this is february 2019 so i'm standing at my store my little stall i've got my

01:01:35.320 t-shirts my cds my hoodies and stuff um i'm in a city called darby in the uk which is close to

01:01:42.220 birmingham and i i'm i'm literally standing standing at my store thinking about what my next move is

01:01:50.060 right i've been selling my cds on the streets for years and then at this point i've been doing the pop-up

01:01:55.280 shops for about four years which had been my primary source of income but it means that i'm standing in

01:02:00.360 a shopping mall for seven days a week talking to strangers non-stop to earn a living and i'm just

01:02:05.520 there in my mind thinking man like what's the what's that next thing what's that next thing that i

01:02:11.260 can do so i can take myself to the next level as i'm thinking this i'm scrolling through twitter

01:02:16.680 and i see two different stories about men identifying as women and like winning races and

01:02:24.300 winning athletic events or whatever i've seen this sort of creeping up over the last couple years

01:02:28.000 and i'm like this is goofy this is stupid whatever um out of curiosity my brain just went to i wonder

01:02:34.920 what the british women's deadlift record is so i looked it up for my weight class and it was 210

01:02:39.080 kilos and i was like oh my pb is 275 right i can pull more than 100 pounds more around 100 pounds more

01:02:46.780 than the women's record and so i already had the video on my phone i had a video on my phone of me

01:02:51.880 doing a 230 kilo deadlift um so after seeing these stories just like i like i tweet off the hip i

01:02:59.560 don't i don't plan in advance my tweets so i just had this video and i put i posted it in a tweet and

01:03:05.240 i just said i keep hearing about how men have no strength advantage over women in 2019 so watch me

01:03:11.740 destroy the british women's deadlift record without trying p.s i identified as a woman whilst lifting the

01:03:16.780 weight don't be a bigot i had 18 000 followers at the time i posted this february 26 2019 i remember

01:03:24.100 the date i hit that tweet button and i'm just standing around my store you know waiting for

01:03:29.200 people to approach 9 a.m in the morning like no one's no one's buying anything yet the mall's not

01:03:34.280 even busy and i'm just looking at my phone and i very quickly realized something is happening

01:03:42.260 the numbers were just going up and up and up after about 15 minutes the video had 10 000 views

01:03:48.560 it was just the re the retweet thing was like moving in real time it was just clocking upwards

01:03:52.860 the likes were just clocking upwards i was like okay like when i posted it i i some people wonder

01:03:58.940 oh did you have like this huge strategy behind it like how did you plan it i was like guys i did not

01:04:03.100 plan this it was just it was just off the cuff right i could not have predicted what would happen

01:04:07.040 and this video just starts going like truly viral right not not not doing sort of okay but truly

01:04:13.860 viral like this is just it's going bananas and i'm just i was like i don't know what i've done here

01:04:18.220 but something something is happening i'm just looking at my phone a couple hours later 100 000 views

01:04:23.820 by the time uh i go to bed in the evening 300 000 views i wake up in the morning half a million it

01:04:30.500 hits a million later that day at this stage i'm standing at my store i start getting i start getting

01:04:35.760 emails from bbc news sky news sunday telegraph fox news hey we've seen your we've seen your post

01:04:44.340 online and we want to we want to talk to you about why you did this and we want to talk about your

01:04:49.060 thoughts on uh transgender athletes and sports or we want to get your take on this or whatever

01:04:53.280 and this thing just goes on rich for for weeks 1 million views 2 million views 3 million views it's

01:05:00.380 just going and going and going yeah like i i finished running my pop-up shop at the end of the week

01:05:05.200 this thing is still spreading still spreading globally and people are people are dying people

01:05:09.880 are laughing people are you know and big commentators start reacting to it ben shapiro

01:05:15.780 reacts to it piers morgan talks about it on sky news um tucker carlson in the usa you have to remember

01:05:21.960 like i'm just a british rapper in england at this time yeah tucker carlson on fox news does a segment

01:05:26.760 on it and it's just going it's just going bananas one morning i wake up in the morning my phone is

01:05:32.060 going crazy and people are like yo joe rogan just mentioned you joe rogan just shouted i'm like dude

01:05:36.240 what like what what is happening and i listened to joe rogan's recent podcast with um it was an

01:05:41.540 episode i think with brian callen and they pull it up and they're talking about it and they're laughing

01:05:46.600 out on the podcast and joe's like who's this guy what's this guy's name zooby i'm following this guy

01:05:50.440 right now shout out to zooby so he shouts me out on the biggest podcast in the world and he's now

01:05:55.280 following me on twitter at this point maybe i have like 40 000 followers or something like that because

01:06:00.500 it's just been it's just been growing right it's just snowballing and then um this went on this

01:06:06.380 went on literally for months it went it went on for months a long run for a viral clip yeah it was a

01:06:12.640 long run because what happened is it was going viral but then i was saying yes to every opportunity

01:06:16.660 so it wasn't just the clip that went viral but i myself went viral so because i've been doing all

01:06:24.320 this other stuff at that time you know i've put out multiple albums um at that point i'd started my

01:06:29.520 own podcast and then suddenly people are seeing me popping up on sky news on uh bbc news on uh louder

01:06:37.020 with crowder the ben shapiro show right whatever i was doing some of these recordings remotely because

01:06:41.660 i was still in the uk at the time so all of a sudden people are just yo who's this guy like he's he's

01:06:47.420 interesting he's got an interesting background he's got an interesting story he's talented he's a good

01:06:51.640 communicator all of this stuff so it went beyond just the you know that funny tweet itself that was the

01:06:58.300 thing that captured the attention but then from that point onward people were like oh actually

01:07:02.160 this guy is uh he's got something to say he's got an interesting message and then more doors open

01:07:07.180 um i got invited to go out to la to do a dave rubens show the ruben the ruben report i told joe i was

01:07:13.460 going out to la he invited me to come on the joe rogan experience for the first time ben shapiro

01:07:18.120 invited me on to his uh sunday special adam carolla invited me on to do you have any expectation that it

01:07:23.880 would blow up like that or was just like i i honestly did not rich yeah i really did not like

01:07:28.480 i i've put out so many tweets so many posts so many pieces of content on the internet i've been on

01:07:35.140 social media for you know at this point 15 plus years so i didn't know that i thought that tweet

01:07:41.280 would get a couple of lols yeah you got a hell of a lot more than that for you yeah because my reach

01:07:47.180 was only 18 000 people i wasn't like oh millions how can i post to 18 000 people and i have the

01:07:52.420 assumption it's going to get millions of views i was just like okay you know this is a silly thing

01:07:56.600 it's funny it's goofy and i just put it out there and it just it just struck a nerve what's fascinating

01:08:02.520 about it is it went viral in many different spheres so it went viral in the sports world

01:08:07.140 it went viral in the feminist world it went viral in the sort of political world and the social get any

01:08:13.720 hate from it or is it all mostly positive very little it's very little and and what's funny is um

01:08:20.580 i think because it was a bit of a checkmate maneuver because i just used their logic against

01:08:26.080 that was right yeah so even if people got angry it's like well what's their argument is their

01:08:31.680 argument that i'm not really a woman because that's isn't that against their own a woman is

01:08:37.560 anyone who identifies as a woman thing right out of the rule book right exactly or if you accept me

01:08:41.940 as a woman if you accept me as a woman then i actually am the british women's deadlift champion

01:08:46.340 mm-hmm so it was a bit of a checkmate maneuver where like the people couldn't really people

01:08:52.720 couldn't really say anything and it wasn't just that um it wasn't just that most people found it

01:08:58.780 funny but i'll tell you something kind of interesting from behind the scenes so when i went on some of

01:09:04.000 these um some of these british um mainstream media channels sky news bbc obviously bbc is like the

01:09:12.380 biggest you know publicly funded you know it's biggest big publicly funded media corporation

01:09:17.560 massive one in the uk when i went on some of those shows off camera like in the green rooms or just in

01:09:26.040 the studio rich i can't tell you how many people were just like thank you thank you for saying it

01:09:32.800 thank you for saying the thing especially women right i had women telling me like you know i've got a

01:09:39.500 daughter i've got daughters who's in school and i'm worried about this and that but you know i'm

01:09:43.740 afraid it's a bit like how it was during the covet era like the amount of people to this day i still

01:09:48.720 get people just coming up to me like man thank you for thank you for the stuff you were saying during

01:09:52.160 that time because you kept me saying right because people are thinking it but they don't want to say

01:09:56.560 it or maybe they don't have the right words or they don't know how to articulate it so what do you

01:10:00.340 think that is man because i always speculate that it's like they're they're they're too concerned with the

01:10:04.740 management of their public image and like the signaling of a virtue that is aligned with

01:10:09.280 whatever we're standing with or whatever the you know the mainstream narrative is like why do you

01:10:13.460 think that is yeah it's difficult man i do understand it i think you have to remember that

01:10:19.740 we are the anomaly in multiple ways right we're both entrepreneurs we make our money independently we

01:10:26.800 don't have a boss or a manager or hr or colleagues or whatever can't really get canceled i mean no right

01:10:33.500 we can't take you off the platform yeah we can be de-platformed but we can't be canceled

01:10:37.860 right and so most people are not in that position they're very plugged to you know to use your

01:10:43.920 terminology they're very plugged in to the system and as we know in countries like the uk canada usa

01:10:52.000 under the banner of quote unquote you know lgbt diversity inclusivity you know inclusion whatever it is

01:10:59.960 they have all these ideas that are essentially their orthodoxy right their dogma and you're not

01:11:08.260 allowed to you're not allowed to say certain facts if they even slightly rock the boat on that

01:11:16.460 right even if it's something as simple as saying that there's two genders or a man can't be a woman

01:11:21.200 or a woman can't be a man or men don't get pregnant whatever it is they've sort of over the

01:11:25.940 years this orthodoxy has been created which most people most people don't actually believe

01:11:30.540 but people are very fearful to rock the boat you also have different personality types right

01:11:36.840 as far as i can as far as i can tell you and i are relatively disagreeable people right so

01:11:43.240 i don't know about that man i think i could sit down with you out you know for hours over dinner

01:11:48.460 and just shoot the shit probably agree with most of it yeah oh when i say disagreeable i mean

01:11:52.940 i mean in terms of the big five personality traits okay yeah what i mean is you don't mind

01:11:59.060 rocking the boat yeah you don't mind going against the grain you're not a people pleaser

01:12:03.680 you'll say what you believe to be true even if it potentially upsets them not everybody is like that

01:12:09.420 and certainly most women are not that like that right most women in particular are more agreeable

01:12:14.000 than men are um so if you're someone who's more disagreeable in terms of their personality type

01:12:20.840 it just means that you're more willing to say what you want to say consequences be damned right

01:12:27.960 i'm going to say the thing that i think is true even if it might upset someone um and so i think some

01:12:34.080 of it is just personality type i think a lot of it is just the climate that's been created and then on

01:12:38.840 top of it i think some of it is also justified because this doesn't mean people should cower away but

01:12:45.380 we have actually seen some high profile incidences of people being canceled or punished for saying

01:12:52.400 things that are true right why were people so afraid to speak out during the whole the whole

01:12:56.600 scandemic era right because people people did get deplatformed people did get their youtube demonetized

01:13:02.280 people did get fired from their jobs like it like bad stuff did actually happen to people i still have

01:13:08.340 a community strike on my channel because i had peter mccullough on for a podcast interview and they took

01:13:12.480 it down within like 20 hours yeah there you go um and so the consequences can be real i think that

01:13:19.840 they are uh sort of i think that people think the consequences are far worse than they are in reality

01:13:27.340 um and people also don't see the sort of the the potential upsides of it all but i you know i think

01:13:33.680 i i just have a personality type and maybe a worldview where saying what i believe to be true like if

01:13:42.180 if i have a if i have a if i have something to say and i think it's important not just for me but for

01:13:48.520 society in general and i believe that it's true i have an ethical compulsion to say it i don't have

01:13:55.820 a personality type where all of this stuff can be going on and i really disagree with it and i think

01:14:02.760 it's bad for society and i think it's bad for children and i think like it's pushing us in a bad

01:14:07.640 direction and i feel all of that and i think it all and i don't say anything i i don't have that

01:14:15.720 personality type i don't know i guess i've always been someone who goes against the grain in various

01:14:20.340 ways where'd you get that from is that just a function of nurture nature culture question man

01:14:25.640 um i do think quite a lot of it is personality yeah um i'm from a big family you know i i'm i'm one

01:14:32.300 of five you know but i'm the only one in my family who's self-employed and who just sat out on this

01:14:37.760 weird path to become a rapper and then start writing books and doing podcasting and all these things

01:14:43.520 you know all my all my siblings are successful but they have more orthodox they have more orthodox career

01:14:48.020 paths and so maybe there's just been something in me since childhood that just i've always been

01:14:55.240 creative i know that um and i i don't know i just i just have a personality type that is

01:15:02.080 not it's quite extreme in some ways i've actually done some personality tests and on many measures

01:15:08.440 i'm either i'm very far one way or the other so i'm like i'm like extremely high in um intellect and

01:15:17.340 creativity and openness to experience i'm very extroverted i'm very high in conscientiousness

01:15:24.540 i'm extremely low in neuroticism which means i'm very i'm not sensitive to negative emotions whether

01:15:30.260 that's fear uh anger emotion whatever like i'm just always i'm kind of always at that level i don't

01:15:36.840 get super duper excited but i'm immune to depression i don't even know what that i can't even imagine what

01:15:42.880 that feels like um and so i think that sort of combination of traits and then maybe just some

01:15:49.380 factors in terms of how i've grown up i mean i went to boarding school very young i went to boarding

01:15:53.900 school from the age of 11 i was in saudi arabia or in the uk no that that was in england i lived in

01:15:58.740 saudi arabia but i went to boarding school in you know so i was traveling internationally by myself

01:16:03.240 from the age of 11 and i was spending much of the year thousands of miles away from my parents and

01:16:10.960 you know and boarding school can teach you quite a few things i do think it makes you independent

01:16:14.520 a bit more early and one thing i definitely i'll tell you one thing i got from boarding school which i

01:16:19.060 think has stayed with me and this is uh this is a strong disdain for rules that don't make sense

01:16:25.720 i hate rules that don't make sense so i'm not someone i'm not someone who's a natural yeah i'm

01:16:32.660 not someone who's a natural rebel at all um i've never smoked a cigarette i don't drink alcohol

01:16:37.700 i've never tried weed i've never done any drugs like even even in my teenage years when people

01:16:42.760 were dabbling in these things i i always stayed away right just on my own i mean my parents weren't

01:16:48.620 even around right but i was just like no i had a very strong will you can't make me do something

01:16:53.600 that i don't want to do right if i don't care if other people are doing it i don't care if the

01:16:57.800 majority are saying it unless i want to do it or i believe it to be true i will not do the thing i

01:17:03.020 will not say the thing and then in boarding school particularly the first school i went with they had

01:17:07.100 some rules that just didn't make sense i'm totally happy to follow rules that make sense but for

01:17:13.140 example let me give you a real example this will sound crazy to you

01:17:15.840 in my first boarding school uh you have three meals a day of course breakfast lunch dinner

01:17:22.000 the first and last five minutes of every meal had to be in silence

01:17:26.180 and the reason we're not allowed is because that's the rule

01:17:31.360 because we said so that was the rule that that that's an example right so

01:17:39.300 i started thinking to myself okay so what's the reasoning behind that like who is the person

01:17:43.660 that wrote this rule what were they thinking yeah i don't overthink it it was just a control

01:17:48.340 mechanism right that's probably what it was it was just to keep everybody orderly right

01:17:52.380 maybe so but but they didn't explain it even if they'd at least said that

01:17:56.880 it's even if i don't agree with the reason at least it's a reason

01:17:59.620 so i think maybe there's something that kind of stuck with me there were other things as well

01:18:03.400 they had quite a lot of these just random arbitrary rules and you know i get it you've got 500 plus

01:18:07.820 boys from all over the world between the ages of like seven and 12 and you've got to take care of

01:18:13.540 all of them and they're away from their families and whatever and okay maybe we need to be a little

01:18:17.840 bit uh authoritarian but after that i think when i went into adulthood and then you know i was i was

01:18:23.360 in the corporate world for three years and it was okay i was good at my job i'm a smart guy

01:18:27.620 but there again there were certain things certain rules and protocols and policies where i was just

01:18:33.260 like this is stupid like there's so many there's there's better and easier ways of doing this thing

01:18:37.420 why why do we have but you know i'm 22 years old and i'm one of the traits of an entrepreneur by the

01:18:43.020 way is when you question rules yeah you know i'm 22 years old i'm a junior in the company like you

01:18:49.300 know there's 200 000 employees i'm not really in a position to tell them that the way they're doing

01:18:54.660 things is wrong or you know to be suggesting certain things so i think when i've just sort of ventured

01:19:00.700 off into my entrepreneurial world and i've been doing it for so long at this point that you do

01:19:06.240 become just very unplugged right in the true sense like you're no longer part of the corporate

01:19:12.320 structure you're not dealing with human resources and the oh my boss and oh i need to ask for it just

01:19:20.620 i can't even i think i've made myself completely unemployable the thought of even like going back to

01:19:25.840 that kind of environment makes me feel sort of sick i'm just like do you know who vision lakiani is

01:19:32.000 i do not he calls them brules as in bullshit rules um he's the ceo and founder of mind valley um i used

01:19:41.100 to stay in touch with him years ago like decades ago he's got a he's got a fairly successful business

01:19:46.300 out in uh malaysia works with a lot of um high profile guys and you know biohackers and stuff like

01:19:51.740 that but yeah he calls them brules which i thought was probably the best way to distill it really is

01:19:57.720 what they are yeah i i have a disdain for those that's that's why i was going nuts during the

01:20:02.400 whole covet era oh i know dude i mean like they got me for like a good month or two i was like okay

01:20:08.620 let's see what's going on like i was listening i was like okay maybe this is serious but then

01:20:12.700 you know when you start to look around and look at the facts you're like yeah okay this is

01:20:16.140 because i was i was traveling during that time i mean i went to eight different countries

01:20:21.220 i went to eight different countries during it and the amount of nonsense like and it was just

01:20:26.460 changing and i was just like what i was like guys this is not this does not make sense everybody

01:20:31.640 knows this doesn't make sense dude there's still people today around here that wear masks driving

01:20:35.820 their car by themselves it's just unreal man it's still it still goes on yeah i still see i still see

01:20:42.020 it in every country yeah um i see it here in dubai i see it in the uk i saw it when i was in um

01:20:48.240 colombia not so much in colombia definitely in mexico what can you do yeah um i want to be

01:20:56.080 respectful of your time because we had kind of a hard stop but let me just quickly uh get a couple

01:20:59.700 sorry there's just a super chat here i want to acknowledge epox is zuby i've been doing the same

01:21:03.380 for three to four years it's hard sometimes to explain what i do but i get to travel the world

01:21:07.780 creating content for big brands speaking and playing music thanks to rich

01:21:11.920 all right thanks man good for you man keep it up um guys go find zuby um on his website follow

01:21:18.320 him on twitter he's got some really good takes he's he's uh um you know he's one of the few guys

01:21:23.340 out there that i would co-sign today and um you know i think he's got a good message and he's

01:21:27.420 definitely somebody to pay attention to um and i wish all the best in the future man i wish we could

01:21:31.500 have talked longer but maybe we'll do like a round two at some point in the future but uh yeah check

01:21:35.620 out his stuff is there anything that you want to shout out before you go is there anything you're

01:21:37.880 working on you want to tell people about uh yeah i'm working on a new book actually

01:21:41.840 i'm gonna have my third book coming out next year um i finished the first draft i'm halfway

01:21:46.380 through the second one i haven't yet worked out how i'm gonna release it i have some offers on the

01:21:51.920 table or i can do it independent like i've done in the past but you have a big enough audience so you

01:21:57.180 could self-publish it bro yeah i know i know so i i'm seeing i'm weighing up the options but that's

01:22:03.320 going to be my next big project next year and then after that i'll shift gears back into music and

01:22:08.340 maybe late next year or if not certainly 2025 i'll have some new music coming awesome all right guys

01:22:15.000 so that's zuby thanks for uh joining me man

Playing to Win - May 07, 2024

095 - Zuby @ZubyMusic

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