Playing to Win - PTW 101 Max Bernier

00:00:01.000 Okay, guys, welcome to another episode of the Plane to Win podcast. We're at the episode 101. I'm joined today with Max Bernier. He's the leader of the People's Party of Canada.

00:00:10.300 And I wanted to bring him on today because we've got an upcoming election, whether it happens in the next few months or later on this year.

00:00:16.140 I like the PPC's platform. I've enjoyed following Max and his stance on many of the Canadian issues that I think plague people today.

00:00:23.660 I'm of the opinion that it's probably a better party to vote for than the Conservative Party.

00:00:30.420 And I'll explain that in the broadcast as well. I've got some interesting questions for Max. Max, thanks for joining me today. How are you?

00:00:37.080 Thank you, Richard. I'm very happy to be with you. That's a nice day here in Montreal.

00:00:42.400 I'm just in the Toronto suburbs. So I'm also dealing with about minus 20 degrees Celsius weather, but, you know, such as life in Canada in the wintertime.

00:00:50.200 But let's get right into it. So we've had an interesting number of years with Justin Trudeau leading Canada.

00:00:57.140 I'm one of the people that have been critical of a lot of his policies and procedures.

00:01:01.420 You were one of the few that actually stood up during the lockdowns, the, you know, the forced, you know, vaccination protocols and all that sort of stuff.

00:01:10.880 There was even a time that you were arrested, if I understand. You spent some time in jail because of your stance on these policies.

00:01:16.200 Why did you, why did you stand up against the lockdowns and why was that important to you?

00:01:23.940 Yeah, it was very important because, as you may know, when I decided to jump into politics in 2006, after 19 years in the private sector,

00:01:34.200 I wanted to go in politics because I wanted to fight for a smaller government, more freedom and less government.

00:01:42.740 So when we created the People's Force Party in 2018, two of our four principles are, you know, individual freedom and personal responsibility.

00:01:53.520 So for me, when all that happened a couple of three years ago, it was four years ago, sorry, it was normal for me to question that.

00:02:04.740 And I saw early that, you know, what they were doing, it was using fear and propaganda to control the population and they wanted to impose that job on us.

00:02:15.200 So that's why early in the beginning, I did rallies and I was out there speaking for individual freedom, for freedom of choice with an informed consent.

00:02:25.660 And I didn't take the vaccine myself because we had data early in the beginning showing that that vaccine was not safe and effective.

00:02:34.540 So, yeah, I did campaign and like you said, these traditional establishment agents were not taking any position for freedoms at that time.

00:02:49.140 I want to talk to you about taxation because one of the things I've noticed myself, you know, I'm an entrepreneur, I've been working for myself since 2003.

00:02:59.460 I've employed a lot of people. I've created a lot of tax revenue for the government.

00:03:04.640 I've seen a lot of my friends during the Trudeau regime leave Canada.

00:03:09.680 A lot of my friends that are entrepreneurs that have location independent businesses that found the taxation erroneous, burdensome, too much, if I can put it that way.

00:03:20.600 And I think the straw that broke the camel's back for most of them was a lot of the lockdown protocols that happened.

00:03:25.000 And anybody that had a location independent business that could pick up, move and go and live somewhere else with more freedom and lower tax rates did so.

00:03:32.480 I think I've seen a lot and I'm even contemplating this myself, Max, if I'm being honest.

00:03:37.220 I mean, I have family obligations that tie me to Canada still.

00:03:41.220 But I think giving the opportunity to go and live somewhere where the tax burden is significantly lower is quite appealing.

00:03:49.380 What do you say to the Canadians when it comes to your policies on taxation?

00:03:55.000 Yeah, we want them to keep more of their own money in their own pockets. 1.00

00:04:00.980 So that being said, for businesses, for example, we will we will stop giving subsidies to all businesses.

00:04:10.360 And instead, we will have a flat tax on business of 10 percent.

00:04:15.660 You know, it's unfair that maybe the little shop in downtown Montreal won't be able to have subsidies coming from the federal government because they cannot have a lobbyist full time in Ottawa.

00:04:29.940 You know, it's unfair that there's programs at the federal level for black entrepreneurs only.

00:04:38.660 So it's discrimination.

00:04:40.320 It is racism.

00:04:42.360 We will end all that and save a lot of money, 10 billion dollars, and use that to have a flat tax for every business at 10 percent.

00:04:51.540 So that country, but at the same time, we need to be serious about our budget.

00:05:01.220 We need to balance the budget because we have this inflation today because of these deficits and we are paying the inflation tax right now.

00:05:09.900 So the way to stop inflation for every Canadian, it's to balance the budget and we can do that in one year and after that, throwing tax for everybody.

00:05:21.320 So that's part of our platform.

00:05:22.920 And actually, what you're saying, what you just said, just about, you know, people entry, Calgary, Victoria, Vancouver, and I'm meeting a lot of business people and they're telling me the same thing you have here in Canada.

00:05:52.920 It's for them, they think that it's better to reinvesting outside the country.

00:05:58.220 So we need to bring back this investment and we need to have a government that would be pro-business and not against business.

00:06:06.880 I don't see a meaningful offer to reduce taxes currently from Pierre Polivier.

00:06:14.800 He, you know, he talks often about axing the tax and I believe he's making reference to the carbon tax.

00:06:20.040 And if I understand it correctly, the liberals haven't implemented the carbon tax yet as he's proposing to ax.

00:06:27.080 So he's basically, if I understand this correctly, you know, if you can clarify, he's proposing to ax the tax that doesn't exist today.

00:06:33.880 Is that the extent of the tax relief the conservatives are offering?

00:06:37.560 Yeah, actually, you're right by saying that because for people who live in Quebec, they don't pay the carbon tax because Quebec has a cap and trade system.

00:06:50.760 But for Canadians outside Quebec, yes, they're paying a carbon tax.

00:06:55.420 So when Polivier is speaking about axing the tax, he's speaking about the carbon tax.

00:07:00.760 But I must say that the liberals, the new leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada, Carnie or Freeland, they said the same thing.

00:07:10.240 Carnie said in a speech last week that he will ask the carbon tax, he will repeal that tax, he won't impose that tax.

00:07:18.920 So now Polivier has the same platform than the liberals and but what they want to do, Polivier and the liberals, they want to fight the climate change.

00:07:31.720 They will impose more regulations.

00:07:41.920 We will withdraw from the Paris Accord, we won't impose any new taxes, we won't give subsidies to the green industry so we know that the climate is always changing and will always change, but for us, that's not a priority, there's no climate emergency.

00:08:02.520 So Polivier and both candidates for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada share the same vision about the carbon tax.

00:08:11.640 So Polivier said he wants a carbon tax election.

00:08:17.480 Actually, you know, there's no there's no it's now now we won't have an election about that because all these mainstream political parties agree with that.

00:08:30.320 We must have a referendum on immigration in the next election must be a referendum on immigration. 0.72

00:08:37.640 That's more important for the future of our country.

00:08:41.720 Yeah, I'll get to immigration and wokeness and the climate hysteria as well.

00:08:47.000 But I want to stay on the taxation issue because this is a bothersome issue for a lot of people out there.

00:08:52.880 Somebody put the put a comment here in the chat and says if you abolish the carbon tax GST and make 20 percent income tax across the board, you will win.

00:09:00.320 I don't know that there's enough room in a federal budget to get rid of that much in the way of taxation.

00:09:06.440 But I think what people are looking for, Max, is a meaningful reduction in their income taxes.

00:09:11.720 Like I pay 53 percent of my income tax.

00:09:14.440 Then I pay capital gains on money that I've invested in the market and I win.

00:09:18.600 So when I win after I've paid tax on income that I've been taxed on, then I have to pay more tax again on that income.

00:09:24.320 And then when I go and take that money and I go buy things, I'm paying GST and fuel taxes and all kinds of property taxes.

00:09:29.400 There's there's there's taxes on taxes on taxes.

00:09:31.640 I think that one of the big issues that Canadians are not hearing any kind of a strong stance on is tax relief on their income.

00:09:39.920 Does the PPC have a policy to reduce income taxes for Canadians?

00:09:44.320 We have a policy, yes, for income tax.

00:09:48.720 There's a five tax brackets right now.

00:09:51.320 Our goal is to reduce that in three to go down in three tax brackets.

00:09:57.080 That would be more fair.

00:09:59.760 But also we want to abolish the capital gains tax.

00:10:03.640 No more capital gains tax.

00:10:05.560 We will abolish that for Polyev. 0.99

00:10:07.800 His policy on that is to only, you know, Trudeau did increase the capital gains tax.

00:10:13.640 He will it will not increase it like Trudeau did.

00:10:17.040 But, you know, a capital gains tax tax is against the creation of of wealth in our country.

00:10:23.880 So but our position on tax.

00:10:25.560 We want to lower taxes by, you know, this year, we need to be able to tackle the deficit.

00:10:41.800 And we are, if you have the.

00:10:49.440 Page to cut, we will cut.

00:10:51.720 We will be able to capital gains tax.

00:10:54.320 No more, no more carbon tax.

00:10:57.760 And also on the personal side, that will be a system instead of having five tax brackets,

00:11:04.520 everybody will pay fewer taxes than they are paying right now with the three tax brackets.

00:11:11.400 There's.

00:11:13.360 There's common feedback that I get when I talk about the PPC or if I mentioned Max Bernier,

00:11:19.200 a lot of people say, well, you're going to split the vote.

00:11:21.560 We don't want to split the vote.

00:11:22.620 You know, we have to make sure that, you know, Pierre gets in splitting the votes a bad idea.

00:11:27.520 And I disagree with that because I think that the Conservative Party will more than likely win the next election.

00:11:34.080 But I believe that a voice needs to be placed in Parliament from a party like yours, Max,

00:11:39.900 where you can push against many of their policies because it's looking to me anyway.

00:11:44.180 I mean, I've been in Canada for a long time now, since about 75 or six.

00:11:49.160 And the Conservatives today look more like Liberal light.

00:11:53.540 You know, they look closer to Socialists than they do Conservatives.

00:11:56.380 And I think a lot of the statements that they're making today, you know, to win the next election,

00:12:02.220 they're strong and they're trying to be balanced.

00:12:04.320 But I don't think they're strong enough from the position of things like tax relief,

00:12:08.620 being tough on immigration, refugees, climate alarmism.

00:12:12.760 I want to get into all that a little bit.

00:12:14.000 But what do you say to the people that say don't split the vote?

00:12:17.760 You know, like why give PPC votes?

00:12:19.560 You know, I'm saying the same thing that you just said.

00:12:24.520 You know, Poliev will win the next election.

00:12:26.780 If you look at the polls right now, it's around 40 percent.

00:12:29.900 To be able to have a majority here in Canada, you need to have about 30 percent.

00:12:36.000 So if you look at the polls and people are not voting for Poliev,

00:12:40.220 they're voting against Trudeau and the Liberals.

00:12:42.820 So Poliev will win and, you know, there's no splitting the vote.

00:12:48.540 So now these people can vote with their values, can vote with their conscience,

00:12:54.660 can vote for what they believe and what they want.

00:12:57.360 You know, if you vote for what you want, you will have more chances to have what you want.

00:13:02.340 So for us, knowing that that fact that we will have a new government this year in 2025,

00:13:09.180 after the next general election, people need the People's Party of Canada.

00:13:14.860 We need their support, but they need our voice because, like you just said,

00:13:19.620 we are the only national political party that will speak about, you know, climate change,

00:13:25.100 immigration and all these important issues, the woke ideology, all that.

00:13:29.820 We have a very different platform than the conservatives.

00:13:32.220 So what we can do if we become more influential, if we have more support from people who are so afraid

00:13:40.980 to have Trudeau back, they just have to look at the reality.

00:13:44.900 Trudeau and the Liberals won't be able to be back.

00:13:47.460 And look at the history.

00:13:49.100 You know, you had that with Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin.

00:13:52.220 Jean Chrétien, after 10 years in government, he was not popular.

00:13:56.720 He resigned, they had Paul Martin for a couple of years, a year, and after that, you know,

00:14:02.780 Harper was able to win.

00:14:04.720 In Canada, you have that, you know, nine years of Liberals, nine years of a day.

00:14:12.360 So Paul Liev will be the prime minister.

00:14:14.880 Now we need to be there to keep him honest, to put him in the right direction,

00:14:19.740 to be sure that, you know, our ideas are outside the parliament.

00:14:27.580 So that's a win-win.

00:14:29.280 Paul Liev is out and we will become more influential.

00:14:33.500 Not Paul Liev, sorry, Trudeau.

00:14:35.640 Trudeau, yeah.

00:14:36.300 Trudeau will be out and we will be more influential.

00:14:41.280 Correct.

00:14:42.720 Let's talk about immigration, refugees and this sort of stuff.

00:14:45.900 You know, my family came to Canada from the United Kingdom in the 70s.

00:14:50.040 They came through the proper channels.

00:14:51.940 They needed to prove that they offered something to the country,

00:14:55.860 that they were able to take care of themselves,

00:14:57.940 that they were able to house themselves,

00:14:59.580 that they were able to bring skills to the country

00:15:01.560 and find work and contribute to the workforce.

00:15:04.520 And I think a lot of that has changed since my parents came to Canada.

00:15:08.000 I wasn't born here.

00:15:08.880 I was born in England.

00:15:10.260 So I've seen a lot of Canadians embrace, you know,

00:15:14.920 the notion of globalism, refugees, you know, 0.99

00:15:18.840 saving those that may be running from trouble.

00:15:21.960 And I think that's created a lot of unnecessary problems in Canada.

00:15:26.920 What is your party's stance?

00:15:28.840 What is your stance on immigration

00:15:30.480 and the refugee system that's working right now in Canada?

00:15:34.880 Yeah, on immigration, we want to have a moratorium on immigration. 0.65

00:15:43.520 You know, we had last year more than 1.2 million foreigners

00:15:48.000 who came to our country and we cannot afford that. 1.00

00:15:51.840 It's very costly for us as Canadians.

00:15:55.320 You know, these people are living in hotels,

00:15:58.540 downtown Montreal, downtown Niagara Falls.

00:16:01.460 We are paying for that.

00:16:03.280 There's no jobs for Canadians, 1.00

00:16:05.180 so there's no jobs for these foreigners.

00:16:07.740 And that's why, you know, we have these houses in our country

00:16:14.480 and we are not able to build the number of houses we need.

00:16:19.040 So we need to stop.

00:16:20.180 It's a question of supply and demand.

00:16:22.420 We need to stop the demand.

00:16:23.860 That will help to solve the housing crisis.

00:16:26.460 But also, we need to have more people

00:16:32.580 because that will help, that will grow our economy.

00:16:36.480 Yes, our economy is growing.

00:16:38.160 You have more people.

00:16:39.600 The economic pie is growing,

00:16:41.640 but our piece of the pie is smarter.

00:16:44.080 The GDP is growing,

00:16:45.600 but the GDP per capita is going down.

00:16:48.380 So our standard of living is going down.

00:16:50.780 That's why we need to have that moratorium on immigration. 0.97

00:16:53.880 We need to say no to mass immigration 1.00

00:16:56.520 and yes to mass deportation

00:16:59.280 because we have illegals in our country.

00:17:02.620 And for me, Richard, an illegal,

00:17:04.640 it's a person who came here under, for example,

00:17:08.580 a student permit.

00:17:10.160 And after that, when that person has that diploma

00:17:14.820 or their diploma, they don't want to leave the country.

00:17:17.960 They must leave the country after that.

00:17:20.400 They must go back to their country of origin. 1.00

00:17:22.420 They don't have any paper after that.

00:17:24.840 They don't have any permit.

00:17:26.060 They're illegals. 1.00

00:17:27.380 So we need to deport them if they don't want to go.

00:17:30.380 Same thing for international foreign workers. 0.76

00:17:37.840 You know, if that person is temporary foreign workers, 0.68

00:17:40.620 if that person is coming here,

00:17:42.420 after their six months,

00:17:43.800 they must go back to the country.

00:17:46.420 Five thousand million of illegals in our country.

00:17:50.600 We don't know who they are.

00:17:52.740 We don't know where they are.

00:17:58.560 So we need to solve that limitation.

00:18:01.900 So that's our position on immigration.

00:18:04.160 And on refugees, it's a fake refugee. 0.64

00:18:06.960 We need to solve that.

00:18:18.720 We need to have, yes, Canada is generous.

00:18:21.820 We will be generous for the real refugees. 1.00

00:18:23.980 But right now, that's strong for this country.

00:18:32.500 But it's so sad that the Polyev, the Trudeau, the NDP,

00:18:37.080 the NDP may say, oh, you're against immigrants.

00:18:45.320 I'm not against them.

00:18:47.340 When a person will come here, like your parents, 0.98

00:18:50.380 they will be able to have a job.

00:18:52.000 They will be able to participate in our society.

00:18:54.720 They will be able to speak English or French.

00:18:57.700 That's not happening right now.

00:19:00.100 When you come to Canada, you'll have more opportunities.

00:19:02.740 And that's not the case.

00:19:04.720 So just have that moratorium and for a couple of years.

00:19:08.800 And after that, we'll go back to a real immigration policy.

00:19:13.300 Thank you.

00:19:14.960 Another question I have for you is, you know,

00:19:17.880 we've seen a real degradation, a destruction of the family unit in Canada.

00:19:22.220 The fabric of society is culture, is Canadians having children and families.

00:19:29.740 I recognize that a lot of the immigration arguments that have been used over the years as well,

00:19:35.780 we're not having, we don't have a replacement rate.

00:19:38.140 So we have to bring people in to help the country grow.

00:19:42.040 And I think they've gone too far with that.

00:19:45.180 I fully agree with what you're saying.

00:19:46.800 But I think one of the problems that, you know, we're going to be left with is

00:19:49.820 if you don't have Canadians having children, having families, 0.54

00:19:54.060 then that's a problem.

00:19:56.000 You don't have a replacement birth rate.

00:19:57.700 It needs to be 2.1, I think in Canada right now,

00:19:59.860 it's something like 1.4, 1.6 or something like that.

00:20:02.600 It's very, very low.

00:20:03.280 And it's very low across all Western countries.

00:20:06.200 I think that one of the problems that are facing, you know, Canadians today

00:20:11.440 is that family law is incredibly hostile towards families.

00:20:15.000 It's replaced men from the head of the household 0.67

00:20:17.640 and put the government or the state in the head of the household.

00:20:20.620 And family law is not encouraging families to stay together.

00:20:26.360 It's not encouraging families to have a lot of children.

00:20:29.300 It's, in fact, written in such a way that it discourages that.

00:20:32.940 And in fact, in many cases, facilitates a lot of single-parent households,

00:20:37.580 more specifically single-mother households.

00:20:39.080 Is there anything in the PPC platform that is going to be tabled

00:20:42.840 that is going to encourage the formation of family units,

00:20:47.000 maybe a lower tax rate if you have so many children?

00:20:49.520 Like I heard somewhere in Europe, I think it was Hungary,

00:20:52.040 that they were offering income tax breaks

00:20:54.260 if they had more than three or four children.

00:20:57.820 Does the PPC have a platform or a plan or a strategy to fix that problem?

00:21:01.880 Yes, you're right by saying the birth rate in Canada

00:21:08.160 and in Western countries is very low.

00:21:11.300 And actually, the leftists and Polyev and all these people 0.97

00:21:16.240 who are in favor of mass immigration,

00:21:18.560 they're saying we need more people because our birth rate is very low.

00:21:22.920 But that being said, these people who are coming to our country 1.00

00:21:26.760 under the reunification of family and all these fake refugees 1.00

00:21:30.340 are not younger than the population, maybe just a little bit.

00:21:36.940 So that won't solve the problem.

00:21:39.100 And what they're doing actually right now with immigration is,

00:21:42.420 I call it like it is, it's the growth of our population.

00:21:50.800 98% of the growth of our population last year was coming from immigration.

00:21:56.220 So yes, we're not making kids.

00:22:00.340 Aging, it will be on the long term.

00:22:04.800 We need to have a policy that will have an impact,

00:22:07.200 not now, but it will have an impact in a couple of years.

00:22:09.940 And the best way to do that is to have a pro-family policy.

00:22:18.400 And what is a pro-family policy?

00:22:20.860 First, a pro-family kid go to school in favor of family.

00:22:29.920 And he just said, like,

00:22:44.820 we need to tackle that.

00:22:53.680 And we need to tackle that.

00:22:58.780 Canadians must be able to have more money in their pocket,

00:23:07.840 being able to buy a house.

00:23:08.440 And so that's why you need to tackle the housing crisis,

00:23:10.780 being able to be safe in their community.

00:23:15.100 So if you do that all together, that may help, but, you know, there's no magic policy to do that.

00:23:29.440 But for us, family values are important, and we'll do everything to try to be sure that Canadians will have more kids.

00:23:45.780 The, you know, the narrative around things like proxy wars, Ukraine,

00:23:52.940 what's happening in the Middle East, the vast amount of money that's been sent over there.

00:23:56.420 One of the things that's frustrated me incredibly is I have a possessions and acquisitions license,

00:24:01.680 so I'm a licensed gun holder.

00:24:03.420 And at the end of November, early December, the Trudeau government put another 300-plus

00:24:07.700 non-restricted guns on a prohibited list under the guise of shipping them over to Zelensky in Ukraine,

00:24:13.560 basically stealing my private property to give it to Zelensky.

00:24:16.800 And I'm not really sure how you're going to wage war with .22s or 9mm, you know,

00:24:22.240 rifled long guns that are non-restricted.

00:24:23.960 It seems absolutely absurd.

00:24:25.640 But what is your position?

00:24:27.480 What is the PPZ's position on this agenda that Trudeau and even Pollyave, you know,

00:24:34.340 seems to support, which is sending money and getting involved in proxy wars around the world

00:24:40.360 when Canada has its own set of problems?

00:24:43.560 Yes, Pollyave is supporting the war in Ukraine.

00:24:46.720 He was very clear about that.

00:24:48.420 And he was a little bit not happy with Trudeau.

00:24:52.300 He said that Trudeau was not spending enough money and was not giving enough money to Ukraine.

00:24:58.220 You can see that he did a press conference on that, not only, not once, but more than one,

00:25:04.860 and asking Trudeau to be more generous.

00:25:07.060 So our position is the opposite.

00:25:09.820 We said in the beginning of that war, that is not our war.

00:25:13.440 We must put our country first and Canada first.

00:25:16.680 And this country is broken.

00:25:18.340 We don't have any money.

00:25:19.440 We have a huge deficit.

00:25:21.020 We need to be able to bring back that money home and help our people first.

00:25:26.140 So that's a Canada first policy.

00:25:29.080 But for Pollyave, a Canada first policy is to give more money to a corrupt democracy in Ukraine. 0.98

00:25:37.500 So we must not participate in that.

00:25:40.380 We must not give any money to Ukraine.

00:25:42.360 We must not have any participation.

00:25:45.380 Same thing in Middle East.

00:25:47.060 I'm very pleased right now that there's a peace in Middle East.

00:25:50.880 I hope it will be for a long time.

00:25:54.600 That being said, now today, that's the inauguration of President Trump.

00:25:59.840 And I believe that the war in Ukraine will end.

00:26:03.360 That was an important part of his electoral campaign.

00:26:06.580 He said that it was for peace and Putin was not his enemy.

00:26:10.340 So same thing for us.

00:26:12.340 Putin is not our enemy.

00:26:14.280 Our big enemy is our own government.

00:26:17.100 So that's why Ukraine and our position on foreign wars, we must not participate in that. 0.82

00:26:26.360 And I must say that that's the history and the culture of our country.

00:26:31.060 Look at what Jean Chrétien did with the war in Iraq.

00:26:35.040 He decided not to participate in that.

00:26:37.620 That was not in our own interest.

00:26:39.060 And, you know, we were, we as a country, seen as a peacemaking and peacekeeping.

00:26:49.740 So that must be our position.

00:26:52.260 And so on the foreign interference, I'm not like Polyev and Trudeau.

00:26:58.200 We want to promote peace and prosperity and in line with the culture and the history of our country.

00:27:05.120 Thank you.

00:27:07.540 Climate hysteria.

00:27:08.720 You know, we, you know, we hear a lot about global warming, rising sea levels, forest fires, you know, all being, you know, part of a consequence of climate change.

00:27:18.880 And we have to do something to do, you know, to fix that problem.

00:27:22.340 You know, apparently we have the means to fix that problem.

00:27:25.140 The thing that I find fascinating is that Canada as a country produces more or sorry, will eat up more carbon dioxide than what it produces because of forest land and, you know, all the greenery that we have here.

00:27:38.120 What is the PPC's, you know, position on taxation when it comes to carbon taxation, global alarmism, potentially locking people down, forcing people to eat bugs instead of buying beef anymore.

00:27:53.500 You know, there's a lot of these notions that have been spoken about.

00:27:55.700 And I haven't heard much from the Pierre camp speaking out against stuff like that.

00:28:02.720 No, he's not.

00:28:04.440 But we are against all that.

00:28:06.320 We don't have any time to waste with that.

00:28:09.000 Like I said, there's no climate emergency.

00:28:11.820 And the good news, the good news today, President Trump just said that he will withdraw from the World Health Organization.

00:28:18.940 And there's no climate crisis.

00:28:22.980 So the same we I said that, I don't know, 10 years ago.

00:28:28.220 And, you know, CO2 is not a polluant.

00:28:30.960 CO2 is a gas essential for life.

00:28:34.300 We so all these woke and leftist policies, we will withdraw from the Paris Accord.

00:28:41.560 We will repeal these policies and for the guns, like you just said, our position on guns is very clear.

00:28:50.740 Everything that Trudeau did, we will undo all that.

00:28:55.480 And we believe that it's your property.

00:28:58.600 And I don't want the RCMP to change the category of guns, you know, because there's something that is happening in the news.

00:29:06.960 It must be the Parliament.

00:29:08.780 It must be on their legislation.

00:29:11.300 And yes, so I will encourage everybody who is interested in our position on gun.

00:29:18.000 You can read our platform on gun at People's Party of Canada.

00:29:22.160 It's a very detailed platform.

00:29:25.380 And what I can tell you, we are we know that the gun owners are not criminals and we must go after real criminals and not gun owners. 0.78

00:29:35.420 Speaking of crime, because it's it's a real problem here.

00:29:40.900 I mean, in the Toronto area, I hear anything from 56 to 70 something cars are stolen daily.

00:29:49.360 People are having their homes broken into in the middle of the night.

00:29:52.640 There was a case that we heard about recently where there was a father calling 911 and there was a gun held to his daughter's head and he was hung up on three times.

00:30:01.860 I'm I'm interested in your position on castle law, something that exists in much of the United States, where you can defend your own property with a licensed firearm should somebody break into your house.

00:30:16.340 Is that something that the PPC parties contemplate?

00:30:18.960 Is that a platform that you're willing to stand on or interested in?

00:30:22.460 Yes, absolutely.

00:30:24.640 Canadians must have the right to defense themselves and their property.

00:30:29.660 Now, it's not happening if you do that, you know, maybe you'll be the criminal.

00:30:35.240 The RCMP can sue you for that.

00:30:38.260 You can have to go in court.

00:30:40.600 So we need to end that.

00:30:42.460 The RCMP must focus on the real criminals and you must have the right to defense yourself.

00:30:48.140 And that's why we will change the criminal code to be sure that a person who's will defend his own or property or life with a gun won't be the one that will be the criminal.

00:31:03.440 That's that's the first party leader I've heard speak out against that.

00:31:07.360 So thank you so acknowledging that crime is a problem in Canada and actually offering a potential solution to that problem because and and Richard Richard also there's another solution to that.

00:31:19.540 And as you know, I was a conservative and we voted tough laws against crime.

00:31:26.880 We were tough on crime.

00:31:28.540 So what we did, we passed legislation for minimum sentences for crimes that are crimes like murder or something like that.

00:31:39.640 very odious crimes and all that when it came to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court said, you know, this is not constitutional, so our legislation was not able to be enforced.

00:31:53.160 So what we must do, we must do the same thing, pass legislation that we did when I was a conservative, but use the non-unstanding clause.

00:32:02.560 When you use the non-unstanding clause, the Supreme Court of Canada won't be able to say that your legislation is unconstitutional.

00:32:10.240 So like that, your legislation will be enforced and we'll be able to have minimum sentences for some crimes in our country.

00:32:19.680 Beautiful.

00:32:21.840 I had a note here on decentralized federalism.

00:32:25.400 What does that mean?

00:32:27.040 That's mean that your province will have more autonomy.

00:32:30.280 Every province will have more autonomy, the federal government will be smaller, we won't interfere in provincial jurisdictions, you know, we will, for example, the federal government has an infrastructure budget, we're spending billions of dollars in infrastructures, we won't do that, you know, except if it's a pan transnational infrastructure, yes, that is under the jurisdiction of the federal government.

00:32:59.200 But for example, you know, if you are in Quebec and you want to have, you know, a road in Quebec City built, that must be by the taxpayers in Quebec, why the taxpayers in BC will pay for a road in Quebec and vice versa.

00:33:15.100 So that infrastructure funds was only there to buy votes, we will eliminate that.

00:33:22.900 And so when I'm saying you that we will have a very small government, for example, international aid, we will cut that, save $10 billion, we will be able to have a smaller government.

00:33:36.220 So yeah, when I'm speaking about radical decentralization, I'm speaking about respecting our constitutions, not interfering in provincial jurisdictions, like actually right now in healthcare, the federal government is giving about $52 billion for healthcare for two provinces.

00:33:56.120 I don't want to tax Canadians and after that transferring that money to provinces, healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction and that must stay like that.

00:34:06.120 So instead of that, we're going to give the GST to the provinces, that will become a provincial tax.

00:34:12.860 And actually with the GST, the amount that the federal government is raising for that tax, it's about the same amount, $52 billion.

00:34:21.820 So like that, provinces will be able to deal with healthcare.

00:34:25.980 So radical decentralization, it's respecting the constitution and it is doing everything to go back to the core function of the federal government.

00:34:37.020 Not, you know, for example, daycare, daycare must not be part, dental care, Trudeau have just put a dental care program, but you have said that it's okay with that.

00:34:49.660 And that must be under the jurisdictions of the provinces.

00:34:53.040 It's not our responsibility.

00:34:55.200 So radical decentralization is to respect the constitution and like that, your province will have more autonomy and you will have more freedom.

00:35:03.460 I want to talk to you about Canada's natural resources as well, because, you know, speaking to friends that have, that have left Canada and go on to other parts of the world.

00:35:13.140 So I had a conversation with a friend of mine that's been living in Dubai.

00:35:17.400 They have a very, very low tax rate on, on personal income.

00:35:20.580 It's, it's practically nothing on corporate income.

00:35:23.580 It's, it's, it's very low.

00:35:25.300 They have a great standard of living.

00:35:27.160 It's very safe.

00:35:28.160 You know, you can take off your expensive watch, leave it on a coffee table, go to the bathroom.

00:35:32.200 It's still there.

00:35:32.980 It's very clean.

00:35:34.820 Um, they have regard for rule of law.

00:35:39.080 Um, you know, they follow, uh, what, what seems to be common sense, but all they had to create this, uh, utopia, as some people call it was oil.

00:35:50.520 Canada has oil, natural gas, coal, forestry, lumber, freshwater, hydroelectricity, minerals. 0.99

00:35:59.620 We have vast amounts of natural resources, and this country has been run by absolute morons for decades now. 0.97

00:36:06.860 And we're not utilizing what Canada has because it's been shoved under the guise of, oh, climate change. 0.99

00:36:12.260 We have to protect the environment, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:14.080 But I think that there's a responsible way which a country can extract its natural resources while preserving the beauty.

00:36:21.820 What's, what's the PPC's platform on natural resources and using the country's natural resources to improve the lives of Canadians and lower their tax rates?

00:36:30.860 Yeah, repeal all the legislation that the true government did pass, uh, you know, against the oil and gas industry, uh, being able, we want the private sector to be able to build pipelines that will go to the east and also to the west of our country to be able to export our natural gas and our oil and gas.

00:36:51.860 Also, because now we have only one market, that's the U.S. Market, so we need to be able to diversify and try to find other markets like in Europe.

00:37:01.980 Actually, if you remember four years ago, the European Commission came here and they said, you know, we want to have a shale gas from, from you.

00:37:11.520 And Trudeau wasn't able to, uh, to answer that request because we don't have any pipelines and actually we have in our own province in Quebec right now in my province, a moratorium on the, the exploitation of shale gas.

00:37:25.920 So what we must do also is to change the equalization formula to be less generous, less generous, because right now in Quebec, there's no incentive for the provincial government to develop their natural resources.

00:37:40.120 Same thing with New Brunswick, because they receive a lot of money from equalization.

00:37:45.400 And if they are doing that, their equalization payment will go down.

00:37:49.120 So we need to send the right incentive to provinces to develop their own natural resources and the way to do that is to give less equalization money and we can do that.

00:38:02.200 You know, being less generous will be fair for everybody and that will be, that will be a great incentive for them to develop their natural resources and the federal government must be there.

00:38:13.440 And also to be sure that Trudeau passed legislation on the environment, you know, to have before a project would be approved, they will have to pass different steps with the federal government about the environment and the equity and all these nonsense woke policies will abolish that.

00:38:36.920 If you have a project, you know, and that will impact the environment, you know, your province can do the investigation, but the federal government must must not add to that.

00:38:48.840 And that's happening right now.

00:38:50.280 So free the economy, no more crazy legislation on the environment, being sure that provinces will be able to develop their own natural resources by being less generous in the equalization payment.

00:39:03.060 And that would be fair for Western Canada.

00:39:06.060 So, yeah, if you put all these policies together, Canada will be a place where you will be welcome to invest and and exploit natural resources here in our country.

00:39:19.060 Donald Trump has just become the president of the United States today.

00:39:23.060 What's your take on President Trump?

00:39:26.060 Yeah, it's it's a good news.

00:39:28.060 It's the beginning of a revolution, a peaceful revolution, not only in the US, but in every Western country like here in Canada.

00:39:38.060 We are the PPC.

00:39:39.060 You know, if you look at the challenges that Western countries have, it's about immigration.

00:39:45.060 They need to control that.

00:39:46.060 We need to control our border. 0.57

00:39:47.060 We need to control our immigration. 1.00

00:39:49.060 That's happened.

00:39:50.060 The discussion is happening here in Canada with us.

00:39:53.060 That discussion is happening in Europe and in France, in Germany.

00:39:58.060 So the action of Trump is the first step tower, a big revolution in Western countries.

00:40:04.060 And for us here in Canada, maybe, you know, the establishment politicians are looking at Trump and they say, oh, he will impose 25% tariffs.

00:40:14.060 That would be bad for the economy.

00:40:16.060 Actually, today, Trump didn't speak about that.

00:40:19.060 If we want him to not impose this tariff on us and our economy, we just have to do what he wants us to do.

00:40:30.060 You know, secure our borders, deport our illegals, reinvesting in our defense. 0.98

00:40:36.060 If you do these three things, you won't have any tariffs, but they are not ready.

00:40:41.060 These establishment politicians, they are not ready.

00:40:44.060 So for me, the election of Trump is the good news.

00:40:47.060 And I must admit, if Trump is able to do only 25% of what he said during his electoral campaign, that would be a big success.

00:40:57.060 So, yes, change, change, change are happening in the US.

00:41:03.060 And here we have an opportunity in 2025 to bring these changes by pushing these establishment politicians.

00:41:10.060 And I hope that Richard, your viewer, will support the BPC.

00:41:15.060 And if they want to know more, they can always go.

00:41:18.060 We have an electoral platform like, you know, and I will encourage people to go also on the website of the Conservative Party of Canada and try to find Pierre Poliev's electoral platform.

00:41:30.060 You won't find that because Poliev is a follower, is not a leader, is following the public opinion, is not leading the public opinion.

00:41:39.060 For me, Canadians have been manipulated by the mainstream media and the leftists.

00:41:45.060 So that's why we have this platform and we believe that we have the best vision for this country.

00:41:51.060 What do you think of the idea that Donald Trump was tossing around about Canada becoming the 51st state of the United States and having a Canadian governor report to President Trump?

00:42:03.060 President Trump that that that was a joke that was, you know, a good joke in the beginning.

00:42:09.060 But, you know, I'm not afraid of that.

00:42:12.060 You are my main message for Trump about that is simple.

00:42:17.060 You know, in Canada, we are 40 million people just like California.

00:42:25.060 And I will say to Mr. Trump, President Trump, they did a poll in Canada just before your presidential election and 62% of Canadians were saying that they would have supported.

00:42:42.060 They will have voted for Harris and the Democrats.

00:42:46.060 So I don't believe that President Trump wants to have another big California that will vote Democrat.

00:42:54.060 That will change the electoral tissue of the of the US forever.

00:43:02.060 So that was a joke.

00:43:04.060 That's that won't happen.

00:43:06.060 And I must say, like President Trump, President Trump is doing well by putting US first, working for Americans, making America great again.

00:43:18.060 But here in Canada, my job is to do the same, putting Canada first, Canadian first, our country first and working to be sure to have a prosperous country, a secure country.

00:43:31.060 And I agree with Trump about the problems that we are having with open mass immigration and open borders.

00:43:39.060 So that 51st state won't happen.

00:43:43.060 And it's not in the advantage of President Trump as a Republican, like I just said.

00:43:52.060 The notion of wokeness, gender ideology, 57 genders, rainbows everywhere, you know, leftism.

00:44:02.060 You've you've kind of touched on it as we've been speaking for the last 44 minutes.

00:44:07.060 What is your party's position on on that?

00:44:11.060 It sounds like it's pretty clear if I'm being honest, but what's your party's position on reversing a lot of that nonsense?

00:44:17.060 Like, how would you do that?

00:44:19.060 We will do the same thing that President Trump is doing right now.

00:44:22.060 Actually, in his augur, augurational speech, he said that there's only two sexes.

00:44:28.060 I said that four years ago, and Poliev was not able to speak about that, afraid of the trans lobby.

00:44:36.060 There's only two sexes. 1.00

00:44:38.060 You know, men must not be able, a biological man must not be able to be in jail for women. 1.00

00:44:45.060 You know, a young boy, biological young boy must not play sport with biological girls. 0.93

00:44:55.060 So we must end all that.

00:44:57.060 And I'm very pleased that President Trump is doing that because right now in the mainstream media, as you may know, Richard, they don't want to speak about us, the People's Party.

00:45:07.060 They don't want to speak about our platform because they know that we will grow faster because we are speaking about real common sense.

00:45:15.060 So now with Trump, the Canadian media will have to tell us what Trump is doing and speak about the end of the wokeism in the US and all these gender ideology.

00:45:30.060 So more people will be aware of that and more and actually we are the only party who raised that when it was not popular.

00:45:42.060 And I'm very pleased with that.

00:45:44.060 And here in our platform in Canada, it's it's part of our platform.

00:45:49.060 We'll do the same, bring back the real common sense here in Canada.

00:45:54.060 So here's some common sense questions.

00:45:57.060 So would you take tampons out of men's bathrooms in federal buildings? 0.55

00:46:02.060 Yes.

00:46:03.060 Yes.

00:46:04.060 Would you would you only raise the Canadian flag on parliament buildings and not put up any other flag?

00:46:11.060 Yes.

00:46:12.060 No, you know, the flag that is with a lot of colors, we won't promote that.

00:46:18.060 There's only one Canadian flag. 0.66

00:46:21.060 Should two gay men be allowed to adopt a baby boy? 0.95

00:46:26.060 You know, if they're 18 and more, I don't want, you know, I don't want the government to be in the bedroom of people. 0.76

00:46:34.060 If you're a gay and you want to do what you want, it's I want to interfere there. 1.00

00:46:40.060 I want to interfere there. 0.98

00:46:42.060 I won't promote that, but I want to interfere.

00:46:45.060 OK, so that's a libertarian position.

00:46:47.060 I think that's fair.

00:46:48.060 Yeah.

00:46:49.060 Let's see.

00:46:50.060 What else do we have here?

00:46:52.060 Because I know you've got to go in a few minutes.

00:46:54.060 Is there anything that we need to touch on that you haven't had an opportunity to talk about yet that you want to take some time?

00:46:59.060 Well, yeah, I just want people to know, Richard, that we had the bad news last week.

00:47:04.060 We, as the leader of the People's Party, I was supposed to participate in the Debates Commission, the Debates Leaders.

00:47:12.060 But the Leaders Debate Commission said last week they changed their regulation again.

00:47:19.060 You know, they told me in 2021 that you need to have 4%, 4% at the previous election to be able to participate in national debates.

00:47:29.060 We had 5%, as you know.

00:47:31.060 So I was supposed to participate in the debate at this election in 2020, 2025, but they changed the rules.

00:47:38.060 That's not the criteria, and they put other criteria that would be very difficult for us to achieve.

00:47:45.060 So they don't want us.

00:47:46.060 And that's an insult to the 840 people who voted for the PPC.

00:47:52.060 These people need a voice during this debate.

00:47:56.060 And like with the discussion that we had today, all our policies are very different than these establishment political parties.

00:48:03.060 So that won't be a real debate without us.

00:48:06.060 And what I'm asking people, you know, you can go on our website, People's Party of Canada.ca.

00:48:13.060 You can sign a petition over there.

00:48:15.060 We will send that petition to the Leaders Debate Commission to try to force them to have us in the debate because, you know, it's we believe in freedom of speech.

00:48:25.060 We believe in democracy in this country and it is undemocratic what they did.

00:48:30.060 And actually it's a little bit sad for the democracy when they decided that, but we will fight and we need people to help us.

00:48:41.060 So if they want to send an email, they can go on our website and we have all the details.

00:48:46.060 I hope that one of the things that people with a platform entertain.

00:48:52.060 So guys like me, they'll invite you on to have a conversation on a podcast format.

00:48:59.060 I also hope that your team has thought about reaching out to influential Canadians and trying to get on their podcasts.

00:49:07.060 You know, for example, I'm sure you saw the interview with Pierre Polivier with Jordan Peterson.

00:49:12.060 Yeah.

00:49:14.060 Has an invite been extended to you as your team reached out to him to see if you can get on his platform to have a conversation about your topics?

00:49:21.060 Yes and no. So no, we didn't reach to him to have an invitation.

00:49:28.060 But yes, I was with him in 2021 before the election.

00:49:32.060 And my goal is to do that couple of weeks before the election.

00:49:38.060 My goal is to be able to be with him again like I did before the last election.

00:49:43.060 So we will ask him when the time will come.

00:49:47.060 I hope he will accept.

00:49:49.060 I hope I'll be able to participate again with him and having a real discussion on policies because I did watch the interview that Polivier did.

00:49:57.060 He was good. He was a good communicator, but there's no policy.

00:50:01.060 You know, it was he was speaking like he did usually with empty slogan.

00:50:07.060 So that's why I wanted and I want to debate with him in the leaders debate and I want to be able to speak about our platform also with Jordan Peterson and other and friends.

00:50:20.060 But if my message today, if you're a YouTuber or an influencer or you have your own, you have a podcast.

00:50:31.060 Don't forget, you know, you can go on our website right to us.

00:50:35.060 And my goal, yes, is to be more present, not only in person by traveling across the country, but also on social media.

00:50:43.060 So write to us at info at people's party of Canada at CA and that will be my pleasure to be with you.

00:50:50.060 A big one or a small one.

00:50:52.060 You know, for me, it's important.

00:50:55.060 I want our ideas to be out there.

00:50:57.060 And a good way to do that is to participate on social media like I'm doing with you today, Richard.

00:51:04.060 Yeah.

00:51:05.060 And, you know, I guess the final word for me as we sort of wrap up is I don't buy the whole don't split the votes notion.

00:51:13.060 It seems pretty clear that the conservatives are going to win the next election.

00:51:17.060 I think that if you cast a vote for the people's party, you at least, you know, present an opportunity for them to capture one seat in parliament.

00:51:26.060 And whether it's one, two, five, but some sort of a presence where they can push back on anything that might lean too far left from the conservatives.

00:51:35.060 And I don't think that you're going to get that from the conservatives.

00:51:37.060 You certainly won't get it from the liberals.

00:51:39.060 You won't get it from Jagmeet Singh party.

00:51:41.060 You won't get it from anybody on that side of the cap.

00:51:43.060 I think there has to be more balance in parliament and in Canadian politics.

00:51:48.060 Max, I wish you the best in the upcoming election.

00:51:51.060 You know, I truly hope that your party captures at least a few seats so that you do have a voice.

00:51:57.060 So don't don't think for a second that you should reserve your vote for a party that's not PPC because it's not going to have an impact.

00:52:05.060 If you keep voting that way, you're never going to have an impact.

00:52:08.060 And if you truly believe in a lot of the things that Max Bernier has spoken about today and the platform that the PPC stands on,

00:52:14.060 I believe that you have to cast a vote in that direction in the expectation that they capture some presence in parliament.

00:52:20.060 Because if you want him or the next party leader to have a place on the debate panel, they have to have a presence.

00:52:29.060 They have to have a known entity.

00:52:31.060 And I think that, you know, for guys like you today, Max, I would I would have my team be reaching out to Joe Rogan, Patrick Bet David,

00:52:41.060 anybody with a platform that Canadians watch, even if it's in the United States and have a conversation with them and speak your truth, man, because it because it needs to be heard.

00:52:51.060 You know, if we're going to have any kind of real change, we have to we have to lean in that direction very, very strongly.

00:52:56.060 So thank you for joining me today, Max.

00:52:58.060 Thank you, Richard.

00:52:59.060 Thank you for giving me that opportunity.

00:53:01.060 And yes, we will try to be on different podcasts.

00:53:05.060 That's my goal.

00:53:06.060 Actually, I'm looking at what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. did in the US during his campaign when he was independent.

00:53:13.060 He was canceled like me by the mainstream media, but he was able to grow his support by being present on different podcasts and social media.

00:53:22.060 So that's part of what we I'm doing and we will continue to do.

00:53:26.060 But thank you again for giving me that opportunity.

00:53:29.060 And let's stay in touch.

00:53:30.060 If you need something, just be in touch with the team, the PPC team.

00:53:34.060 Let's see Dean.

Playing to Win - February 25, 2025

PTW 101 Max Bernier

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