Rob Moore joins me in this episode to talk about his work with Andrew and Bonnie Blue and how he s built a business from the ground up. Rob talks about how he got his start in podcasting, how he built his business, and why he loves being on the internet.
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00:01:20.000All right, guys, welcome back. We're doing another Plainwood podcast.
00:01:35.000I've got Rob Moore with me today. He should be a familiar face.
00:01:38.000He's been on the internets for a while and dispensed some good wisdom.
00:01:41.920I was also on his podcast a few years ago and really enjoyed talking to him.
00:01:46.140I thought that you're one of the better interviewers out there, if I can put it that way.
00:01:49.340You're asked some very thought-provoking questions. How are you doing today, man?
00:01:58.340Got a bunch of notes over here, but I like to freestyle a lot of this and just sort of go back and forth and whatever, you know, seems like an interesting rabbit hole to dive down.
00:02:07.340I wanted to ask you first about your collab with Andrew and Bonnie Blue.
00:02:13.340That was a very interesting room to be in, I guess, for you.
00:02:18.340I noticed a few times while you had the clan sitting there going back and forth, you almost bit your tongue a little bit just to sort of stay out of it and let them, you know, do the best that they could.
00:02:32.340So, Bonnie Blue was cancelled off of OnlyFans.
00:02:38.340She had this stunt she was going to pull, one of her marketing things for her brand and her specific type of product that she offers.
00:02:49.340And, you know, I don't believe that people should be cancelled or silenced or censored unless they break the law.
00:02:58.340But that's my view. And I've had many people on my show who've been cancelled and I've taken shit for having them on my show.
00:03:05.340But I would want someone to support me if I'd been unfairly cancelled or if I was supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
00:03:15.340My show is called Disruptors. So, you know, it tends to be that people who get cancelled are disruptors or have been disrupted.
00:03:22.340So she was cancelled from OnlyFans. She was cancelled from Instagram.
00:03:27.340So they approached me and they said, you know, a lot of people in her community are calling her the female Andrew Tate.
00:03:34.340They obviously know I've done some content, quite a lot of content with Andrew and they wanted me to be the guy that sat between them and interviewed both of them.
00:03:47.340So then I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it and I wasn't sure if Andrew would want to do it.
00:03:53.340I messaged Andrew and the deal was done very quickly and we were out to Romania, kind of before we could blink.
00:04:01.340And yeah, it kind of blew up. I mean, YouTube tried to shut it down, but kind of didn't really succeed.
00:04:10.340It kind of blew up and, you know, I got some shit for it. But, you know, that's life.
00:04:17.340What was the worst that you took for that? What kind of what kind of shit do you take for it?
00:04:21.340Well, some people close to me didn't like the fact that I did it.
00:05:58.340And, you know, when you're one and connected with the car.
00:06:01.340Well, like I was in my instinct setting this up and I was in Romania and then I'm coming back thinking, shit, what's my wife going to think?
00:06:08.340What's my board going to think all of this?
00:06:11.340Because I can take 100,000 haters rich. I honestly don't care.
00:06:16.340But, you know, the people close to me, they're important to me.
00:06:19.340So, yeah, there was there was those dynamics going on. But that's how it happened.
00:11:39.340I mean, you can't go around and get clocked in the head over and over again doing stuff like that.
00:11:42.340But I think it's certainly a skill that's worthwhile learning.
00:11:47.340And I mean, combat is useful at some point in life.
00:11:51.340You know, it's like you're going to be called upon as a man at some point to defend yourself, your family, people that you care about something.
00:11:58.340And knowing how to throw hands, I think, is a good skill to have.
00:12:56.340And that's actually one, you know, there's there's another kind of training I do, which is different to boxing, which is much more, you know, for protecting myself.
00:13:07.340But I think you probably now have to think seriously about either moving to a village in the middle of nowhere where an animal is your biggest threat.
00:13:17.340Or you probably do have to take seriously if you're a father raising your children to look after themselves.
00:13:31.340But yeah, it's I think like the way the UK is going and getting worse, I actually think it's something you've probably got to think about seriously doing.
00:13:39.340Yeah, I was I mean, I was going to ask you about the state of the UK and safety issues and the government and taxation.
00:13:45.340So, I mean, like we might as well get into that.
00:14:09.340And it seems like government and policies around like even things around social media and free speech.
00:14:16.340I'm pretty sure that I've said enough things online on social media that they would lock me up because I've seen them do it with people expressing views and opinions that go against a narrative that they don't want expressed on social media.
00:14:30.340You know, I've seen these videos all over the place of the police just knocking on somebody's door, picking them up and locking them up.
00:14:37.340And some people have spent a good deal of time just for a social media post or a tweet or Facebook or something like that.
00:14:58.340I don't know if you're going to get picked up at passport control, but I'll try and be as accurate as possible, Rich, because, you know, I don't want to be sensational just for the sake of it.
00:15:10.340The people who were getting locked up for social media posts were posting, you know, pretty racist stuff at the height in the UK where it felt like there could be riots on the streets.
00:15:23.340Because what happened, there's a place in the UK called Southport and a young man went and stabbed a load of young girls.
00:16:25.340And, you know, the man who did the stabbing was black.
00:16:28.340And then we've got these rape gangs in the UK who are Asian, mostly Pakistani men.
00:16:35.340And so there's became this great division.
00:16:37.340And the far right was sort of pushed further right and labeled as racist.
00:16:41.340And, you know, the far left were kind of covering it up or not trying to have anything to do with anything.
00:16:46.340And then they blame people like Andrew Tate and the Manosphere and all of this and all this stuff's going on.
00:16:50.340So it got a fever pitch where it really looked like there were riots.
00:16:54.340And basically the government kind of took control and took like quite quick powers, which I'm not sure was right.
00:17:00.340And they stuck a lot of people in prison for social media posts when the prisons are full and they're letting out convicted criminals rich.
00:17:09.340You know, this doesn't make any sense.
00:17:11.340And there's not this strong, firm leadership.
00:17:14.340We've got terrible immigration problems where we've got so many people coming in illegally.
00:17:19.340And this is, you know, these are all these people are put up in hotels and, you know, we're forced that they get chess club and cooking lessons and play stations and all of this.
00:17:31.340All the while, taxes are going up and up and up.
00:17:34.340Our taxes are as high as they were nearly in the 70s when taxes were really high.
00:17:39.340You've got millionaires leaving all the time going to Dubai where there's virtually no crime and virtually no tax.
00:17:53.340Yeah, I've seen I've seen a lot of the announcements that Starmer's government's made around protecting Ukraine's borders.
00:18:01.340And I've and I've openly criticized them on Twitter and called them out.
00:18:05.340And I'm like, you can't protect your own borders from, you know, dinghies coming across the channel daily unloading African migrants that are undocumented acting as refugees.
00:18:15.340You know nothing about, but you're but you're you're strongly invested in Ukraine and what's happening over there just doesn't make any sense to me that they don't care about domestic issues anymore.
00:18:24.340I mean, it's very similar here to in Canada, by the way.
00:18:27.340It's not like it's unique, just the UK.
00:18:29.340It's almost like we've got this globalist cabal of meetings going on that are just like, yeah, we need to flood and just let people in.
00:18:36.340It's like it's it's almost like it's a uniform sort of strategy with the exception of some of the US government with Trump.
00:19:36.340You know, many amazing entrepreneurs were immigrants.
00:19:39.340And, you know, moving through and you're taking your family to another country that gives you opportunity like London was the best place to go.
00:19:47.340You know, people from all over the world came to London because it was a financial hub for a long time.
00:19:52.340Financial global center, great tax haven.
00:19:57.340But just, you know, you could go there, you could work, you could earn a living, you could move your way up.
00:20:02.340You could look after your family, you could be safe.
00:20:07.340And like, why can't we just have it whereby it's pretty clear you want to come in, like add some value, work well, you know, maybe start a business.
00:20:16.340You know, maybe start a business, whatever.
00:20:54.340Um, I think somewhere I saw on social media in the last week that you'd make more in the UK, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but more in the UK collecting the dole than you would working a minimum wage job.
00:21:05.340It was almost like a two or 3000 pound a year difference.
00:21:08.340Well, um, for some of my content rich, I'll walk around the streets of my city, just interviewing people.
00:21:14.340And, um, I've interviewed many of the homeless people cause I always buy them sandwiches and coffee.
00:21:20.340Um, and I asked them just straight up and I get loads of hate for this on LinkedIn when I post about this, but, um, fuck them.
00:21:29.340I asked them, why don't you get a job?
00:21:30.340And they say, there is no point because they give me a house.
00:21:33.340And, um, if I get a job, I lose my benefits and I'll earn less with the, you know, with the job than I will on the benefits.
00:21:42.340And they get a house, they get the benefits and they professionally beg.
00:21:46.340And some of them earn 150 to 200 a day professionally begging.
00:21:51.340And they just move from place to place to place professionally begging.
00:21:55.340They've got their house, you know, they've got their benefits.
00:21:58.340And, you know, okay, look, there are of course rich, some people who need support and I want to support, you know, veterans and people with genuine disability.
00:22:06.340I'm proud, you know, that I've made many millions and I pay many millions in tax to help those people, but they're the people that need the help and everyone else just needs to get a job.
00:22:15.340And by the way, unemployment's going up in the UK and we need to build loads of houses cause we have a massive housing shortage.
00:22:22.340So why doesn't someone with a brain just go, well, let's stop their benefits and let's train them to be a roofer.
00:22:27.340Let's stop their benefits and let's train them to be a brickie.
00:22:32.340It's just what, but no, let's just keep pumping them all the money and then we'll keep putting up the taxes.
00:22:38.340So they're acting as though they're homeless, even though they've got a roof over their head that they go to every night, but they'll go out in the streets begging to pull in some extra cash.
00:22:46.340Yeah. And they get cash, which they're not going to the bank and declaring for tax purposes.
00:22:52.340Yeah. Yeah. Like there's no, I don't see any politicians doing anything to remedy that though. Is there any movement to fix that?
00:23:02.340Well, in the UK, there's a party called reform and I'm, yeah, it's Nigel's party.
00:23:08.340And I'm friends with Nigel and I know him and I think he's got strength and vision.
00:23:14.340He's pro business, small business, entrepreneurship.
00:23:18.340And, you know, cause some people are pro business, but they're pro Facebook and Google.
00:23:22.340Um, but yeah, you need to support the small businesses.
00:23:26.340There's 5 million small businesses in the UK.
00:23:28.340That's like something 55, 60% of all the economy of those 5 million small businesses.
00:25:12.340Because we, we have this first past the post system here as opposed to proportional representation.
00:25:17.340So it favors the two incumbent parties.
00:25:20.340Cause you can get loads of votes, but not, you know, really win any seats.
00:25:25.340And like, I mean, I mean five seats in the house of commons, at least gives them a voice during these, these moments where they're speaking to the house speaker.
00:25:36.340But, but in Canada, like we saw the, uh, liberal party dominate the last election with Mark Carney taking it.
00:25:45.340Uh, he, he stepped up when Justin Trudeau stepped down.
00:25:49.340Um, and they just dominated the liberals dominated again.
00:25:53.340You know, you hear people complaining all the time about high taxation, immigration policies that they don't, you know, they don't like blah, blah, blah, sort of stuff.
00:25:59.340Very, very similar narrative, but they never win any seats in the house of commons.
00:26:06.340Well, it's just, I don't, I, with the first past the post system, it's just so hard to, it's just so hard to sort of break or crack in.
00:26:14.340Um, so in the, we had a recent opinion poll, which obviously it's not an election, but it's a, and reform polled at 26%, labor 24 and conservative 16.
00:26:24.340Um, bearing in mind, labor, um, labor and conservatives are like 200 year old parties and reform the like what 15, I dunno, 20 year old party.
00:27:17.340So, and safety in the UK, you know, you've talked about knife crimes, obviously, you know, is that something that's, that's gotten considerably worse over the years as you know, as you've seen it?
00:27:43.340And I try when I look for statistics, not to just look for something that backs my own ideas up.
00:27:48.340So I dismissed some things that, you know, I, I, I don't think are credible.
00:27:53.340Um, but there's a, there's a, people are getting like machetes, uh, uh, I wouldn't say they're common everyday rich, but it's quite common now in the UK to see people with machetes.
00:28:08.340Some poor 14 year old lad just got machete to death randomly by someone who was just off it.
00:28:16.340Obviously everyone's getting their mobile phones nicked in, in like the, the, the, you see one thing, I don't know about you rich, but you know, I worked fucking hard and I've been an entrepreneur 20 years and I still work fucking hard and I've paid millions and millions in taxes.
00:28:34.340And I employ a hundred people as we speak.
00:28:47.340And I want my kids to be able to play in the garden.
00:28:49.340And they go and fill the hotel at the end of my street with 135 asylum seekers.
00:28:55.340Like you said, many, I'm not saying all, but many probably undocumented.
00:29:00.340And then you go to London and you think I'm going to stay somewhere nice.
00:29:03.340So I, I've done some speaking events at the Mandarin hotel, stay in the tower opposite.
00:29:08.340And outside the park tower was where blue Stevens, a 25 year old father got knifed to death in front of his, I think, wife or girlfriend and family for his Rolex.
00:31:08.340You know, you see a lot of multimillionaires leaving the country, taking their bag of gold with them and sort of setting up shops somewhere else.
00:31:17.340Like I've seen a lot of my friends personally that were members of Entrepreneurs Oregon, Toronto, you know, other networks that I'm a part of that just, you know, they had a location independent business.
00:31:27.340They didn't have brick and mortar to service.
00:31:29.340They could run it from anywhere in the world.
00:31:31.340And they just packed up and they left.
00:31:43.340Like I know you've got a family there.
00:31:45.340What's your plan of dealing with the high tax rates?
00:31:49.340Because it's like the thing that frustrates the crap out of me is they just take it from you and they go and spend it on things that you don't agree with.
00:31:57.340Yeah, I mean, we don't have a choice of where our tax goes.
00:32:01.340And in the UK, I think three of our prime ministers, we didn't have a choice even in voting for them because they were voted by the incumbent party.
00:32:11.340So we have no choice or influence on where our money goes.
00:32:16.340In the UK, the NHS, which used to be a pretty good system, to be honest, is absolutely broken.
00:32:22.340And it's just a bottomless money pit that they keep pumping money into.
00:32:35.340And they just put a 20 percent tax on private schools and they gave private schools business rates.
00:32:42.340Now, obviously, if you aspire to do well, one of the things you want to do is look after your children and give them a really good education,
00:32:47.340because that's the one of the most important things.
00:32:49.340So you put them in private school and they basically stuck a 25 percent tax.
00:32:53.340Like surely the worst place to tax is educating our children.
00:32:58.340So it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.
00:33:04.340And I'm not planning to leave yet rich.
00:33:08.340But one thing they're talking about here in the UK to add on to all of this.
00:33:12.340And by the way, I haven't told you anywhere near all of them is a wealth tax.
00:33:16.340And if they impose a wealth tax, that might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
00:33:21.340Because, you know, you're going to have to report your net worth, however, regularly.
00:33:26.340Do you know what? I've got 100 staff, at least 15 of them rich.
00:33:31.340I have to employ for the bureaucracy I have to go through to file all of my accounts for all the taxes that I pay.
00:33:39.340And by the way, if they were just simple.
00:33:41.340Oh, Rob, here's 25 percent tax on everything you earn.
00:33:44.340I would just pay it. I'd pay it with a smile.
00:33:47.340I'd be grateful. I need one admin person to to manage that.
00:33:52.340So my friend entrepreneur friends have all left.
00:33:54.340They said I've left because it's 20 percent VAT, 25 percent corporation tax, 45 percent income tax, 15 percent national insurance.
00:34:05.340And then that then when you get a little bit that's left, there's sales taxes on top of that.
00:34:10.340The inheritance taxes are crazy. Stamp duty to buy a house on a nice house is 12 percent by a million pound house, which is not a lot of money nowadays.
00:34:22.340It's a year's salary. And it's just it's just it's just frickin everywhere.
00:34:26.340It's like bloody body blue with all of her men. It's just it's just fucking everywhere.
00:34:31.340And the reason I'm not ready to go, Rich, is my parents are aging and I'm I'm not going to be selfish and get a phone call when I'm in Dubai saying your dad's passed away.
00:34:41.340I can't do it. It's not the right priority for me.
00:34:45.340So instead, Rich, I'm just going to get a load of good accountants and a load of good lawyers.
00:34:50.340And I'm going to figure out what the fuck I can do.
00:34:54.340Yeah. Life hands you lemons, you make some lemonade, I guess.
00:34:59.340It's yeah, the taxes and the taxes and the taxes and they and they still can't seem to manage the money.
00:35:05.340You know what I mean? It's like and people still vote for those same policies.
00:35:10.340The thing that blew me away here in Canada is the Conservative Party offered a somewhat conservative platform, right?
00:35:17.340So they said we're going to lower your income tax, which will save you an average of two thousand dollars a year.
00:35:23.340Not a huge savings, but significant enough that it would be meaningful to the vast majority of the population.
00:35:28.340That's like middle class. And then they also said we're going to remove the GST on the purchase of a new home under a million dollars.
00:35:37.340The GST here is 13 percent. So million dollar home is one hundred thirty thousand dollars.
00:35:42.340That's a that's a meaningful savings. People still voted for the Liberal Party.
00:35:46.340Right. To me, that's just that's just.
00:35:52.340It's like, how can you be so thick to go and vote for these policies that the Liberals want to impose, which is climate hysteria and mass immigration?
00:36:02.340And the other thing that never really made a lot of sense in Canada to me, Rob, we're a vast country with huge amounts of natural resources, minerals, lumber, fresh water.
00:36:13.340You go right down the list. We've got it right. Second largest country in the world next to Russia.
00:36:18.340We've we've got vast quantities of natural resources.
00:36:21.340Dubai's just got it like oil and they managed to figure it out with making a low tax saving for commerce to attract people to Canada just can't get their act together.
00:36:31.340And it's like they just keep doing things over and over again just to take people off and people just keep leaving.
00:36:37.340And I've just seen it for four years now. But I'm in the same boat, man.
00:36:40.340It's like you have obligations. You've got some anchors, you know, tying you down.
00:36:56.340Yeah. Well, one thing to add here, Rich, is I am moaning a lot because I'm a person of I have some influence and, you know, I've got a good following.
00:37:07.340Well, no, this is what I was going to point is I kind of feel like I think it's wrong and I think we should speak out about what we think is wrong.
00:37:16.340I think I have some social responsibility.
00:37:18.340I run a real business that I have run for 20 years that, you know, makes many millions of pounds.
00:37:24.340So I think I've got some experience, but I am also in a position where I can I can move if I have to.
00:37:33.340And I can just travel a lot more and be here a lot less.
00:37:37.340And so I think if anyone's watching and they agree with some of the things we're saying, Rich, but they don't have that mobility, that's your responsibility.
00:37:46.340You know, if you build yourself some good wealth, then that gives you mobility because, you know, there's been times in the past and there's talk about it in the future of, you know, national service and all this.
00:37:58.340Fuck that. I'm not fighting for this country, Rich.
00:38:00.340So if they put a ridiculous wealth tax or they expect me to fight for this country, nah, I'll take my whole fucking family and I'll be gone.
00:38:11.340Yeah. People want you to sacrifice and fight, don't they?
00:38:14.340Yeah, that's OK if you're fighting for something that you believe in.
00:38:18.340Yeah, I'll fight for something that I believe in.
00:38:21.340That you can win at least like doesn't it make sense that you've got a fighting chance of actually winning or improving?
00:38:27.340And it's like, you know, to me, I just look around and said, right, well, you lot voted for high taxes and climate hysteria and more wokeness.
00:38:37.340I've got nothing to fight for. I'll just kick my feet up and let it burn down and I'll figure out, you know, the best way to manage my life around that or, you know, plan my exit when the time is appropriate for it.
00:38:46.340And I think that's all that you can do. You know, people people want guys like you to stand up and fight and really do something to, you know, like improve stuff for them.
00:38:55.340But they don't do shit with the next fucking election. They'll just vote for the same idiot that causes same levels of havoc and chaos that, you know, that they live in today, which is just so bizarre to me.
00:39:06.340People people aren't mad enough. You know what I mean? Like people lost their fucking mind 100 odd years ago when the British imposed a tax on T Boston, you know, T the fucking havoc that they had back then.
00:39:20.340I don't know if you know, you know, the story, but they lost their mind. I don't know. I think it was like one percent.
00:39:25.340They lost their ever loving mind and revolted over that. But, you know, 40, 50 percent taxes, taxes on taxes, more taxes on taxes.
00:39:33.340Yeah, I don't know. Well, I think a lot of it links back to if you think if you speak out about it, you might be worried about being canceled or you might be worried about going to prison for a social media post.
00:39:45.340Sure. You said that. What's that called? That's called communism. Yeah.
00:39:50.340Anyway, talking about cars, man, you're a you're a big petrol head. Yeah, I have a few.
00:39:57.340Not as many as Andrew, but I have a few cars. Yeah.
00:40:00.340Well, eight eight cars in the UK is probably equivalent of 50 cars where Andrew lives.
00:40:05.340But talk to me about your passion for cars, because I know it's expensive to buy and maintain and own them in the UK with all the taxes and everything.
00:40:12.340But what have you got? Well, when I was, I don't know, six, my dad got me working in his pub and I loved it.
00:40:20.340And I didn't like school and I'm really like working in my dad's pub.
00:40:24.340He used to help get me to pour the pints and empty the pinball and the slot machines and count all the money and bag it all up.
00:40:31.340And I would just be I just say, Dad, when can I work? When can I work? When can I work?
00:40:34.340And he'd pay me a pound a week. And there was a local shop that had pictures on that you could buy for a pound of all the nice cars.
00:40:44.340But then it was like Ferrari Testarossa. Yeah, I think it was the Lamborghini Countach that was the one at the time.
00:40:51.340The white one with the phone dial wheels with the black background.
00:40:59.340Right. And so I would buy I would work for these, not get given them by my parents.
00:41:05.340And so I do a week's work to put them up on my walls.
00:41:09.340There was a Corvette and all these cars.
00:41:12.340And then, you know, I had 20 years in between of dicking about and not really knowing what I wanted to do with my life and going to university.
00:41:22.340What a fucking waste of time and money that was.
00:41:24.340And then finally, when I was 26, 27, I started my own business.
00:41:29.340And I always said to myself, by the time I'm 30, I'm going to get a Ferrari that was like a driver for me.
00:41:35.340And I became a millionaire just before age 31.
00:41:38.340So it was like millionaire and Ferrari age 30.
01:12:42.340You know, when we were younger men, you, you needed the permission of a publishing company to write a book.
01:12:47.340I've written a book that if the New York times list accepted as, um, a rankable book because I self published, it would be a New York times a seller.
01:13:03.340I press the same button that you press that Mr. Beast press that the next guy that has no subscribers press.
01:13:08.340So, yeah, I mean like the great thing for younger guys today.
01:13:12.340And I keep telling them this is like the, the gatekeepers have been removed.
01:13:16.340You want a radio show, a podcast, you want a TV show, you want to create content, blog, whatever it happens to be like, you know, pick your poison, develop a skill or some value and then just give it away.
01:13:27.340And then, you know, sell something to them, you know, they say, um, what do they say?
01:13:44.340Do you have any other, um, like you're a, you're a big real estate guy.
01:13:49.340Would you recommend, uh, men get into real estate at this point in their life?
01:13:54.340And I say, man, when I'm, I'm speaking, cause it's like 95% of my audience, but yeah.
01:13:58.340Um, so I think one of the greatest ways to get rich for the longterm and build vast wealth is to make your money in a business and park the profits into physical assets like real estate.
01:14:15.340Now, um, modern people are putting their money into gold and silver cause they don't trust the government or they're putting their money into Bitcoin or out coins because they're younger or whatever.
01:14:25.340Um, but if you imagine a triangle, you have capital, well, you have income, capital, and equity.
01:14:32.340So it spells ice income, capital, equity, and a triangle spells ice.
01:14:53.340Um, the stock market's got income and capital, but probably no equity.
01:14:58.340Um, the pretty much the only two things you can buy that have income capital and equity are an existing business that you buy cheap or real estate.
01:15:07.340So for example, my business partner and I, um, we're buying two properties and we will develop them and add a load of value, but they were about 5 million pounds each in five years ago.
01:15:19.340And we're paying a little over two and a half for, for both of them.
01:15:23.340So we're buying it 50% less than it was priced at five years ago.
01:15:28.340Now, um, it's not worth double, but it's worth more than we paid for it.
01:15:33.340So there's equity in it, which means, you know, I've bought it.
01:15:36.340Well, I could sell it tomorrow at a profit.
01:23:54.340You mentioned the colonizer a bit and I've, you know, I've heard that, uh, mentioned before by a lot of people with contempt.
01:24:03.340Um, you know, my dad served with the Royal air force and traveled around a lot of the world, same thing with my uncle and a lot of my family from the UK.
01:24:11.340And it's like, you know, I kept hearing stories about England going in, creating infrastructure, schools, sewage, hydroelectricity, rail, stuff like that.
01:24:20.340And they just sort of handed it all back to the country.
01:24:23.340Are you on, are you on the camp of, uh, of like the, the quote unquote colonizers?
01:24:27.340Are you, I mean, did England do good for the world?