Playing to Win - PTW 104 Rob Moore

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00:01:20.000 All right, guys, welcome back. We're doing another Plainwood podcast.

00:01:35.000 I've got Rob Moore with me today. He should be a familiar face.

00:01:38.000 He's been on the internets for a while and dispensed some good wisdom.

00:01:41.920 I was also on his podcast a few years ago and really enjoyed talking to him.

00:01:46.140 I thought that you're one of the better interviewers out there, if I can put it that way.

00:01:49.340 You're asked some very thought-provoking questions. How are you doing today, man?

00:01:53.340 Really good and thanks for having me.

00:01:55.340 Yeah, over in the UK.

00:01:58.340 Got a bunch of notes over here, but I like to freestyle a lot of this and just sort of go back and forth and whatever, you know, seems like an interesting rabbit hole to dive down.

00:02:07.340 I wanted to ask you first about your collab with Andrew and Bonnie Blue.

00:02:13.340 That was a very interesting room to be in, I guess, for you.

00:02:18.340 I noticed a few times while you had the clan sitting there going back and forth, you almost bit your tongue a little bit just to sort of stay out of it and let them, you know, do the best that they could.

00:02:30.340 How did you put that one together?

00:02:32.340 So, Bonnie Blue was cancelled off of OnlyFans.

00:02:38.340 She had this stunt she was going to pull, one of her marketing things for her brand and her specific type of product that she offers. 1.00

00:02:49.340 And, you know, I don't believe that people should be cancelled or silenced or censored unless they break the law.

00:02:58.340 But that's my view. And I've had many people on my show who've been cancelled and I've taken shit for having them on my show. 0.60

00:03:05.340 But I would want someone to support me if I'd been unfairly cancelled or if I was supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

00:03:15.340 My show is called Disruptors. So, you know, it tends to be that people who get cancelled are disruptors or have been disrupted.

00:03:22.340 So she was cancelled from OnlyFans. She was cancelled from Instagram.

00:03:27.340 So they approached me and they said, you know, a lot of people in her community are calling her the female Andrew Tate.

00:03:34.340 They obviously know I've done some content, quite a lot of content with Andrew and they wanted me to be the guy that sat between them and interviewed both of them.

00:03:47.340 So then I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it and I wasn't sure if Andrew would want to do it.

00:03:53.340 I messaged Andrew and the deal was done very quickly and we were out to Romania, kind of before we could blink.

00:04:01.340 And yeah, it kind of blew up. I mean, YouTube tried to shut it down, but kind of didn't really succeed.

00:04:10.340 It kind of blew up and, you know, I got some shit for it. But, you know, that's life. 0.98

00:04:17.340 What was the worst that you took for that? What kind of what kind of shit do you take for it? 1.00

00:04:21.340 Well, some people close to me didn't like the fact that I did it. 1.00

00:04:25.340 That you platformed them.

00:04:26.340 Sorry?

00:04:27.340 That you platformed them.

00:04:29.340 Well, OK, so I run, I have a property portfolio of quite a lot of properties, 345 units we have.

00:04:37.340 I have a training business here in the UK, which maybe is 21, 22 million in sales will probably do this year.

00:04:46.340 That's kind of like 20 to 25 million we normally do.

00:04:49.340 So some people on my board or some people close to me would be like, well, Rob, is that good for the brand relationship?

00:04:57.340 The high paying clients going to pay if Andrew Tate and the Bonnie Blue are the types of people that come on your show.

00:05:04.340 I get that. And I have a financial and fiduciary responsibility to my business and my brands and responsibility to my board.

00:05:13.340 But it's an independent show. It's strategically an independent brand.

00:05:18.340 And it's called Disruptors.

00:05:20.340 So this was the kind of like paradox.

00:05:23.340 I mean, then you've got the third paradox, which is I'm the interviewer sat in the middle.

00:05:28.340 And, you know, I'm just doing my job.

00:05:32.340 So, yeah. So I took some heat from people close to me.

00:05:36.340 I didn't really consult anyone. I just went and did it because one, it happened so fast.

00:05:42.340 It really did happen fast. It was voicemail, voicemail, voicemail, voicemail done.

00:05:47.340 So and like I kind of thrive like that, Rich, you know, you love driving cars.

00:05:53.340 You don't think consciously when you're driving a car fast.

00:05:56.340 You're just just in your instinct.

00:05:58.340 And, you know, when you're one and connected with the car. 0.99

00:06:01.340 Well, like I was in my instinct setting this up and I was in Romania and then I'm coming back thinking, shit, what's my wife going to think? 0.98

00:06:08.340 What's my board going to think all of this? 0.98

00:06:11.340 Because I can take 100,000 haters rich. I honestly don't care.

00:06:16.340 But, you know, the people close to me, they're important to me.

00:06:19.340 So, yeah, there was there was those dynamics going on. But that's how it happened.

00:06:23.340 What did Bonnie get canceled for? 0.99

00:06:26.340 I think we all know what Andrew got canceled for.

00:06:28.340 Yeah. So Bonnie was canceled from OnlyFans and Instagram because she planned to go in a glass box. 1.00

00:06:37.340 And let loads of guys come and watch and come in and, you know, do the thing to her. 1.00

00:06:43.340 So as far as I'm concerned, if that's not breaking the law and that's a plan and it's not even happened.

00:06:50.340 I don't know. I mean, OnlyFans isn't OnlyFans the place where they go.

00:06:55.340 So I don't know if I agree with that or not. But anyway, that's why they canceled her.

00:07:01.340 Yeah, I don't know that stunts that are not breaking any laws should be a cancelable offense.

00:07:09.340 It doesn't seem right. I mean, you could put yourself in a barrel and go over Niagara Falls and that's illegal, but they'd still air it.

00:07:16.340 I don't think they would cancel you for something like that.

00:07:18.340 And it seems like that's a bridge too far for them. It's like, you know, putting her in a glass box is a bridge too far.

00:07:23.340 But a thousand or two thousand guys in a day or whatever their record is, you know, going back and forth is totally fine.

00:07:29.340 A glass box is a bridge too far for them. I found I find that interesting.

00:07:34.340 How do you find Andrew? You know, I'm curious as to your take on him, because I've talked to him a few times.

00:07:38.340 I've had him on a few podcasts and we've talked privately more so about cars and exotics.

00:07:42.340 So I'm just wondering what your take on a guy like Andrew Tate is.

00:07:45.340 I think he's a very underrated orator. I think he's a very good speaker.

00:07:51.340 I think he's probably one of the best marketers living alive at the moment.

00:07:57.340 I think like Donald Trump is an amazing marketer.

00:08:01.340 As an entrepreneur and a business owner, I can see these traits in these people that maybe other people who aren't can't.

00:08:10.340 I think he has very strong volition.

00:08:16.340 You know, some of the things he says are contradictions.

00:08:21.340 For example, on my show, he said, well, you know, if I've got 20 women on a boat, you know, they're just there with me on the boat.

00:08:31.340 And I'll just like that. They're that kind of woman. 1.00

00:08:34.340 And I'm not going to marry that kind of woman and sort of made out that they're just girls he would just sleep with but not marry. 1.00

00:08:41.340 And then a bit later on, he said, oh, you know, I just have them on the boat.

00:08:44.340 I don't sleep with them. I just have them there on the boat so I can and I work on my laptop.

00:08:48.340 So, you know, I do think there are some potential contradictions there.

00:08:52.340 But then if I'd been on about 10,000 podcasts, I imagine the odd contradiction would come out.

00:08:59.340 I think he's a very good storyteller.

00:09:02.340 I think he probably is quite misunderstood because I think him and Tristan do give quite a lot back.

00:09:09.340 I don't think I think he should have a fair trial.

00:09:12.340 And I don't think it's actually going to be possible for him to have one now.

00:09:16.340 Yeah, I think I think his attitude to sort of fitness and fighting is good.

00:09:25.340 I had my I have only had one fight, Rich, and I had it kind of, I suppose, in part because of a conversation I had with Andrew.

00:09:33.340 But I've been training ever since, you know, I do my boxing about four times a week.

00:09:37.340 I have ever since. And that's been really good for me.

00:09:40.340 I've seen him spar with a few people and I think he's too rough.

00:09:44.340 And I don't think you should go beat up people who are, you know, really beginning.

00:09:49.340 I don't think that that's how you mentor people.

00:09:52.340 So so, you know, there's some things I don't agree with.

00:09:54.340 And there's many things that I do.

00:09:57.340 He's always been good to me. So, yeah, there's some thoughts.

00:10:01.340 Who who inspired you to get into boxing?

00:10:04.340 And well, I got called out for a fight.

00:10:07.340 Did you?

00:10:08.340 So someone who's sort of in my industry in the UK, not as big as us, but he called me out for a fight.

00:10:15.340 And I just immediately thought, yeah, I'm going to do this because it's not something I've done.

00:10:20.340 And it just a bit like how I brokered the Bonnie Blue Andrew Tate deal.

00:10:24.340 I just thought this is something new.

00:10:26.340 I just kind of like felt on the instinct of it.

00:10:29.340 So I accepted it.

00:10:30.340 We had a 50 grand bet that which turned into 100, then turned into 200.

00:10:33.340 At the time, he was, I think, 30 kilos heavier than me.

00:10:37.340 He ended up we ended up fighting.

00:10:39.340 He was 20 kilos heavier than me.

00:10:41.340 We put 1800 people in a room.

00:10:42.340 We raised a quarter of a million pounds for charity.

00:10:45.340 We put on a better show than nine out of 10 boxing fights.

00:10:48.340 You'll see certainly better show than Jake Paul and all of that stuff.

00:10:53.340 And he lost a lot of weight in his boxing.

00:10:56.340 So I think he'll credit me as part of that journey.

00:10:59.340 It was I'd kind of got myself a bit out of shape before that, Rich.

00:11:03.340 And Andrew was the guy that's like, you've got to take your fitness really seriously.

00:11:07.340 And obviously, fighting is one of the best ways to get fit.

00:11:10.340 I mean, rowing, fighting.

00:11:12.340 There aren't many other things that are really good for your fitness.

00:11:15.340 And yeah, since then, I've kept it up.

00:11:17.340 I started boxing during the pandemic because everything closed here except for my dojo.

00:11:25.340 And he decided to stay open and backdoor people in, which is fine.

00:11:30.340 But I had a fight a few years ago.

00:11:33.340 First one after three and a half years of training.

00:11:35.340 And I thought it was great.

00:11:36.340 I loved it.

00:11:37.340 But it's a young man's sport.

00:11:39.340 I mean, you can't go around and get clocked in the head over and over again doing stuff like that.

00:11:42.340 But I think it's certainly a skill that's worthwhile learning.

00:11:47.340 And I mean, combat is useful at some point in life.

00:11:51.340 You know, it's like you're going to be called upon as a man at some point to defend yourself, your family, people that you care about something.

00:11:58.340 And knowing how to throw hands, I think, is a good skill to have.

00:12:01.340 So tip my hat to you.

00:12:02.340 I didn't know that you did that.

00:12:04.340 Who was the fight with?

00:12:05.340 So there's a chap in the UK called Samuel Leeds, who has a property training business.

00:12:10.340 And he's a he's a larger than life character.

00:12:13.340 He's quite mouthy.

00:12:14.340 He likes to sort of attack people who are a bit bigger than him.

00:12:19.340 I think some people do that as a brand strategy.

00:12:21.340 Yeah.

00:12:22.340 Yeah.

00:12:23.340 But I felt because I had about 10 of my sales guys on the undercard against 10 of his sales guys.

00:12:31.340 And they did great and, you know, put on some really good fights, some really good fights.

00:12:36.340 And so, yeah, it was it was a great experience.

00:12:40.340 And Rich, something that you may ask me later or not, but I need to say it like the UK is in a bad way.

00:12:45.340 And some guy who's 25, who's a father, got murdered out pretty much outside Harrods in London for his Rolex.

00:12:53.340 And these are not nice times.

00:12:56.340 And that's actually one, you know, there's there's another kind of training I do, which is different to boxing, which is much more, you know, for protecting myself.

00:13:07.340 But I think you probably now have to think seriously about either moving to a village in the middle of nowhere where an animal is your biggest threat.

00:13:17.340 Or you probably do have to take seriously if you're a father raising your children to look after themselves.

00:13:23.340 Your son, certainly.

00:13:24.340 Or doing it yourself.

00:13:25.340 I'm 46.

00:13:26.340 Like, so I don't spar anymore, Rich, because for that reason I do pads.

00:13:30.340 Mm hmm.

00:13:31.340 But yeah, it's I think like the way the UK is going and getting worse, I actually think it's something you've probably got to think about seriously doing.

00:13:39.340 Yeah, I was I mean, I was going to ask you about the state of the UK and safety issues and the government and taxation.

00:13:45.340 So, I mean, like we might as well get into that.

00:13:47.340 I was I was born in the UK.

00:13:49.340 You know, my family moved here when I was young and then I moved back again for a few months in my early 20s.

00:13:54.340 The last time I was there was, I think, 2018.

00:13:59.340 I did a 200 mile an hour challenge at Bruntingthorpe down the airstrip with the Holy Trinity hypercar trio.

00:14:06.340 And I've been back since.

00:14:09.340 And it seems like government and policies around like even things around social media and free speech.

00:14:16.340 I'm pretty sure that I've said enough things online on social media that they would lock me up because I've seen them do it with people expressing views and opinions that go against a narrative that they don't want expressed on social media.

00:14:30.340 You know, I've seen these videos all over the place of the police just knocking on somebody's door, picking them up and locking them up.

00:14:37.340 And some people have spent a good deal of time just for a social media post or a tweet or Facebook or something like that.

00:14:43.340 Let's talk about that first.

00:14:46.340 Like, what's the deal with the UK government and freedom of speech right now?

00:14:50.340 Like, is this a place that I should avoid personally because of the views and opinions that I've expressed online?

00:14:54.340 Like, is this something I could get picked up at passport control?

00:14:57.340 Do you think?

00:14:58.340 I don't know if you're going to get picked up at passport control, but I'll try and be as accurate as possible, Rich, because, you know, I don't want to be sensational just for the sake of it.

00:15:10.340 The people who were getting locked up for social media posts were posting, you know, pretty racist stuff at the height in the UK where it felt like there could be riots on the streets.

00:15:23.340 Because what happened, there's a place in the UK called Southport and a young man went and stabbed a load of young girls.

00:15:31.340 Three of them died.

00:15:33.340 And they were just young girls dancing in a class like dancing to Taylor Swift.

00:15:38.340 And it was just a complete it was the saddest thing you've ever seen.

00:15:43.340 And the country got really, really angry.

00:15:46.340 And, you know, the police don't have the same funding anymore.

00:15:49.340 The police don't have many powers in the UK, really.

00:15:52.340 In the UK, if you steal anything under £200, it's basically legal because it's not reported as a crime.

00:15:58.340 Like sexual offences, like, you know, sexual assault, there's like a three percent conviction rate.

00:16:05.340 Same with some theft.

00:16:09.340 Knife crimes up 80 percent.

00:16:11.340 I'm talking kind of like London, but some areas are worse.

00:16:14.340 And, you know, this is this is not just labor because obviously the conservatives were in for 14 years.

00:16:19.340 But but the UK has been on decline in in many levels.

00:16:23.340 So people were outraged and angry. 0.55

00:16:25.340 And, you know, the man who did the stabbing was black. 0.99

00:16:28.340 And then we've got these rape gangs in the UK who are Asian, mostly Pakistani men. 0.96

00:16:35.340 And so there's became this great division. 0.89

00:16:37.340 And the far right was sort of pushed further right and labeled as racist.

00:16:41.340 And, you know, the far left were kind of covering it up or not trying to have anything to do with anything.

00:16:46.340 And then they blame people like Andrew Tate and the Manosphere and all of this and all this stuff's going on.

00:16:50.340 So it got a fever pitch where it really looked like there were riots.

00:16:54.340 And basically the government kind of took control and took like quite quick powers, which I'm not sure was right.

00:17:00.340 And they stuck a lot of people in prison for social media posts when the prisons are full and they're letting out convicted criminals rich.

00:17:09.340 You know, this doesn't make any sense.

00:17:11.340 And there's not this strong, firm leadership.

00:17:14.340 We've got terrible immigration problems where we've got so many people coming in illegally. 1.00

00:17:19.340 And this is, you know, these are all these people are put up in hotels and, you know, we're forced that they get chess club and cooking lessons and play stations and all of this.

00:17:31.340 All the while, taxes are going up and up and up.

00:17:34.340 Our taxes are as high as they were nearly in the 70s when taxes were really high.

00:17:39.340 You've got millionaires leaving all the time going to Dubai where there's virtually no crime and virtually no tax.

00:17:45.340 And that's just the start of it.

00:17:47.340 And it's just got worse since labor have come in the last year or 18 months.

00:17:51.340 And a lot of people have had enough.

00:17:53.340 Yeah, I've seen I've seen a lot of the announcements that Starmer's government's made around protecting Ukraine's borders.

00:18:01.340 And I've and I've openly criticized them on Twitter and called them out.

00:18:05.340 And I'm like, you can't protect your own borders from, you know, dinghies coming across the channel daily unloading African migrants that are undocumented acting as refugees. 1.00

00:18:15.340 You know nothing about, but you're but you're you're strongly invested in Ukraine and what's happening over there just doesn't make any sense to me that they don't care about domestic issues anymore.

00:18:24.340 I mean, it's very similar here to in Canada, by the way.

00:18:27.340 It's not like it's unique, just the UK.

00:18:29.340 It's almost like we've got this globalist cabal of meetings going on that are just like, yeah, we need to flood and just let people in.

00:18:36.340 It's like it's it's almost like it's a uniform sort of strategy with the exception of some of the US government with Trump.

00:18:43.340 But it's I don't know, man, it's it's it's really bizarre.

00:18:47.340 It's it's not the world that I grew up in, for sure.

00:18:50.340 No, like UK has really lost its culture and its identity.

00:18:56.340 You know, the point of having a country with borders is you say we are these people and we have this culture.

00:19:05.340 And so you protect that. And, you know, if we all want to be if we want one global nation, fine.

00:19:12.340 But that's not possible because we are all different.

00:19:15.340 And we don't have a culture anymore in the UK.

00:19:18.340 No, like if anyone in the world thinks, OK, what is the UK?

00:19:22.340 What is Great Britain? What do they stand for?

00:19:24.340 And like that's just completely disappeared.

00:19:27.340 And, you know, the indigenous British people are the minority in a lot of places now.

00:19:33.340 Now, I'm not against immigration.

00:19:36.340 You know, many amazing entrepreneurs were immigrants.

00:19:39.340 And, you know, moving through and you're taking your family to another country that gives you opportunity like London was the best place to go.

00:19:47.340 You know, people from all over the world came to London because it was a financial hub for a long time.

00:19:52.340 Financial global center, great tax haven.

00:19:57.340 But just, you know, you could go there, you could work, you could earn a living, you could move your way up.

00:20:02.340 You could look after your family, you could be safe.

00:20:05.340 And that's what London was.

00:20:07.340 And like, why can't we just have it whereby it's pretty clear you want to come in, like add some value, work well, you know, maybe start a business.

00:20:16.340 You know, maybe start a business, whatever.

00:20:19.340 Come in.

00:20:20.340 You want to come in illegally.

00:20:21.340 You want to bring like your whole family and you don't want to work and you want to take all of our money.

00:20:26.340 And then you want, you can't come in.

00:20:28.340 Like, is that just not common sense?

00:20:31.340 It's not even about race.

00:20:32.340 It's just about common sense.

00:20:34.340 Yeah.

00:20:35.340 I mean, it used to be that way.

00:20:36.340 That's, that was a list of requirements that you needed to meet to come to Canada.

00:20:40.340 When my parents came here, I was like, you'd have to show that you can support yourself.

00:20:44.340 You could speak English that you were going to contribute to the economy.

00:20:47.340 Um, that's just the way that it was, but it's doesn't seem to be like that anymore.

00:20:51.340 It's, it's undocumented, free, encouraged.

00:20:54.340 Um, I think somewhere I saw on social media in the last week that you'd make more in the UK, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but more in the UK collecting the dole than you would working a minimum wage job.

00:21:05.340 It was almost like a two or 3000 pound a year difference.

00:21:08.340 Well, um, for some of my content rich, I'll walk around the streets of my city, just interviewing people.

00:21:14.340 And, um, I've interviewed many of the homeless people cause I always buy them sandwiches and coffee. 1.00

00:21:20.340 Um, and I asked them just straight up and I get loads of hate for this on LinkedIn when I post about this, but, um, fuck them. 0.99

00:21:29.340 I asked them, why don't you get a job? 0.99

00:21:30.340 And they say, there is no point because they give me a house.

00:21:33.340 And, um, if I get a job, I lose my benefits and I'll earn less with the, you know, with the job than I will on the benefits.

00:21:42.340 And they get a house, they get the benefits and they professionally beg.

00:21:46.340 And some of them earn 150 to 200 a day professionally begging.

00:21:51.340 And they just move from place to place to place professionally begging. 0.82

00:21:55.340 They've got their house, you know, they've got their benefits.

00:21:58.340 And, you know, okay, look, there are of course rich, some people who need support and I want to support, you know, veterans and people with genuine disability.

00:22:06.340 I'm proud, you know, that I've made many millions and I pay many millions in tax to help those people, but they're the people that need the help and everyone else just needs to get a job.

00:22:15.340 And by the way, unemployment's going up in the UK and we need to build loads of houses cause we have a massive housing shortage.

00:22:22.340 So why doesn't someone with a brain just go, well, let's stop their benefits and let's train them to be a roofer. 0.62

00:22:27.340 Let's stop their benefits and let's train them to be a brickie. 1.00

00:22:32.340 It's just what, but no, let's just keep pumping them all the money and then we'll keep putting up the taxes. 1.00

00:22:38.340 So they're acting as though they're homeless, even though they've got a roof over their head that they go to every night, but they'll go out in the streets begging to pull in some extra cash.

00:22:46.340 Yeah. And they get cash, which they're not going to the bank and declaring for tax purposes.

00:22:52.340 Yeah. Yeah. Like there's no, I don't see any politicians doing anything to remedy that though. Is there any movement to fix that?

00:23:02.340 Well, in the UK, there's a party called reform and I'm, yeah, it's Nigel's party.

00:23:08.340 And I'm friends with Nigel and I know him and I think he's got strength and vision.

00:23:14.340 He's pro business, small business, entrepreneurship.

00:23:18.340 And, you know, cause some people are pro business, but they're pro Facebook and Google.

00:23:22.340 Um, but yeah, you need to support the small businesses.

00:23:26.340 There's 5 million small businesses in the UK.

00:23:28.340 That's like something 55, 60% of all the economy of those 5 million small businesses.

00:23:34.340 So he's, he's pro small business.

00:23:36.340 Um, I think he's kind of anti immigration.

00:23:39.340 He's pro low tax.

00:23:41.340 Um, so he's more, you know, from the right side.

00:23:44.340 Um, and you, you know, like he's the best chance we've got by a long way.

00:23:49.340 He's not going to be perfect and reform are a very young party.

00:23:52.340 So they're like a little baby startup trying to fight against, you know, the big corporations of fate of conservatives and labor.

00:24:00.340 Um, but I, I think he's our best chance.

00:24:03.340 Did they win any seats in the last election? 0.94

00:24:06.340 Oh, they've been kicking ass like labor and like the lowest in it, you know, in all popularity. 0.92

00:24:13.340 And yeah, they've been, they've been smashing it. 0.98

00:24:15.340 Yeah.

00:24:16.340 Cause I mean, we have a very similar parliamentary system here, but how many seats did Nigel's party take?

00:24:21.340 I don't know off the top of my head.

00:24:23.340 Um, but, but yeah, I mean, we don't have a general election, I think for another four years.

00:24:29.340 Okay.

00:24:30.340 But his party has been around at the last, last one.

00:24:32.340 Yeah.

00:24:33.340 I mean, I, shall I grok it?

00:24:34.340 Does it matter?

00:24:35.340 Do you want to, I was, I was just about to do it.

00:24:37.340 So let's see who gets that answer first.

00:24:39.340 How many seats did Nigel Farage?

00:24:52.340 Because I find this fascinating.

00:24:53.340 Cause we have a party here called the people's party with a similar kind of guy.

00:24:56.340 His name is Max Bernier and his party took no seats in the last election whatsoever.

00:25:02.340 Uh, in the 2024 UK general election, Nigel Farage reform party won five seats in the house of

00:25:08.340 commons.

00:25:09.340 Okay, good.

00:25:10.340 So.

00:25:11.340 Yeah.

00:25:12.340 Because we, we have this first past the post system here as opposed to proportional representation.

00:25:17.340 So it favors the two incumbent parties.

00:25:20.340 Cause you can get loads of votes, but not, you know, really win any seats.

00:25:25.340 And like, I mean, I mean five seats in the house of commons, at least gives them a voice during these, these moments where they're speaking to the house speaker.

00:25:36.340 But, but in Canada, like we saw the, uh, liberal party dominate the last election with Mark Carney taking it.

00:25:45.340 Uh, he, he stepped up when Justin Trudeau stepped down.

00:25:48.340 Right.

00:25:49.340 Um, and they just dominated the liberals dominated again.

00:25:53.340 You know, you hear people complaining all the time about high taxation, immigration policies that they don't, you know, they don't like blah, blah, blah, sort of stuff.

00:25:59.340 Very, very similar narrative, but they never win any seats in the house of commons.

00:26:05.340 Yeah.

00:26:06.340 Well, it's just, I don't, I, with the first past the post system, it's just so hard to, it's just so hard to sort of break or crack in.

00:26:14.340 Um, so in the, we had a recent opinion poll, which obviously it's not an election, but it's a, and reform polled at 26%, labor 24 and conservative 16.

00:26:24.340 Um, bearing in mind, labor, um, labor and conservatives are like 200 year old parties and reform the like what 15, I dunno, 20 year old party.

00:26:33.340 That's like, it's seismic.

00:26:34.340 I think the conservative party, is it, is it, uh, like liberal light in the UK now?

00:26:39.340 How do you mean?

00:26:41.340 Well, I would call the conservative party here in Canada with Pierre Polivier as their leader, more of a liberal light party.

00:26:47.340 Right.

00:26:48.340 So they lean more left than they do conservative.

00:26:50.340 Right.

00:26:51.340 Right.

00:26:52.340 So conservatives are traditionally supposed to be, uh, low, low tax, you know, growth, um, pro business.

00:27:01.340 Um, and so it is supposed to be right.

00:27:04.340 And they've just become so, it becomes so left over the years that we don't really have a, a right party of the main two.

00:27:13.340 So that's Nigel's gig then.

00:27:14.340 Okay.

00:27:15.340 Yeah.

00:27:16.340 All right.

00:27:17.340 So, and safety in the UK, you know, you've talked about knife crimes, obviously, you know, is that something that's, that's gotten considerably worse over the years as you know, as you've seen it?

00:27:27.340 Yeah.

00:27:28.340 So, um, in London, knife crimes up 80% since 2019.

00:27:34.340 80% since 2019.

00:27:36.340 Yeah.

00:27:37.340 Which feels like a lot.

00:27:40.340 And I try when I look, yeah.

00:27:42.340 Yeah.

00:27:43.340 And I try when I look for statistics, not to just look for something that backs my own ideas up.

00:27:48.340 So I dismissed some things that, you know, I, I, I don't think are credible.

00:27:53.340 Um, but there's a, there's a, people are getting like machetes, uh, uh, I wouldn't say they're common everyday rich, but it's quite common now in the UK to see people with machetes.

00:28:05.340 And that's obviously a sign.

00:28:08.340 Some poor 14 year old lad just got machete to death randomly by someone who was just off it.

00:28:16.340 Obviously everyone's getting their mobile phones nicked in, in like the, the, the, you see one thing, I don't know about you rich, but you know, I worked fucking hard and I've been an entrepreneur 20 years and I still work fucking hard and I've paid millions and millions in taxes.

00:28:34.340 And I employ a hundred people as we speak.

00:28:37.340 And I've got what 1350 tenants. 0.99

00:28:40.340 I do my fucking bit. 0.98

00:28:42.340 And I bought them a really nice house on the nice street. 0.99

00:28:46.340 Cause I want to be safe.

00:28:47.340 And I want my kids to be able to play in the garden.

00:28:49.340 And they go and fill the hotel at the end of my street with 135 asylum seekers. 1.00

00:28:55.340 Like you said, many, I'm not saying all, but many probably undocumented.

00:29:00.340 And then you go to London and you think I'm going to stay somewhere nice.

00:29:03.340 So I, I've done some speaking events at the Mandarin hotel, stay in the tower opposite.

00:29:08.340 And outside the park tower was where blue Stevens, a 25 year old father got knifed to death in front of his, I think, wife or girlfriend and family for his Rolex. 1.00

00:29:22.340 What the fuck? 1.00

00:29:25.340 Hmm. 1.00

00:29:26.340 Like what's your strategy to deal with that?

00:29:27.340 Do they, do they have a strategy or?

00:29:29.340 Sure.

00:29:30.340 Well in London.

00:29:31.340 No, I mean, the mayor didn't even tweet about it.

00:29:33.340 He just said, we're going to make more youth clubs. 0.98

00:29:36.340 How the fuck are youth clubs going to stop knife crime? 0.95

00:29:40.340 What stops knife crime is, you know, when people nick a sandwich. 0.98

00:29:44.340 So I was in Costa coffee, which is big chain in the UK.

00:29:47.340 Yeah.

00:29:48.340 And yeah, someone who looked homeless, but I couldn't say for sure came in, just nick, literally just took everything.

00:29:53.340 I'll have the sandwich.

00:29:54.340 I'll have the drink.

00:29:55.340 I'll have the crisps.

00:29:56.340 Just nicked it and left.

00:29:58.340 And I was like a bit stunned.

00:29:59.340 And I said, why don't, what, what happened?

00:30:02.340 Why are we told not to do anything about that?

00:30:04.340 Now I get it because why would that, why would someone serving a barista want to put their life in danger?

00:30:12.340 But they're told to do nothing about it.

00:30:13.340 They can steal for free.

00:30:15.340 And if it's not over 200 quid, it's not even a crime.

00:30:18.340 So theft is legal.

00:30:19.340 Now, Mayor Giuliani completely turned New York around because he stopped all the petty crime right at the grassroots.

00:30:27.340 A crime is a crime.

00:30:28.340 And, you know, you go to Dubai and you nick a Rolex, you know, you could be 20 years in prison.

00:30:37.340 Like, it could be a lot worse than that.

00:30:39.340 You're not nicking a Rolex because you know the consequences.

00:30:43.340 And there are no consequences.

00:30:45.340 And we have weak leadership.

00:30:46.340 And that's the problem in the UK.

00:30:48.340 We're one off.

00:30:49.340 You had alluded earlier to the high tax rates in the UK.

00:30:53.340 I found them to be some of the highest in the world.

00:30:56.340 And I would probably argue that the taxes upon taxes upon taxes we have in Canada might actually be higher than what you guys are paying.

00:31:03.340 But I've seen you on social media mentioned many times that you're fed up with it.

00:31:07.340 It's too much.

00:31:08.340 You know, you see a lot of multimillionaires leaving the country, taking their bag of gold with them and sort of setting up shops somewhere else.

00:31:15.340 I've seen the same thing here.

00:31:17.340 Like I've seen a lot of my friends personally that were members of Entrepreneurs Oregon, Toronto, you know, other networks that I'm a part of that just, you know, they had a location independent business.

00:31:27.340 They didn't have brick and mortar to service.

00:31:29.340 They could run it from anywhere in the world.

00:31:31.340 And they just packed up and they left.

00:31:33.340 And I don't blame them.

00:31:34.340 I mean, I would have left a long time ago as well if I didn't have family responsibilities here.

00:31:41.340 But are you looking for an exit?

00:31:43.340 Like I know you've got a family there.

00:31:45.340 What's your plan of dealing with the high tax rates?

00:31:49.340 Because it's like the thing that frustrates the crap out of me is they just take it from you and they go and spend it on things that you don't agree with.

00:31:57.340 Yeah, I mean, we don't have a choice of where our tax goes.

00:32:01.340 And in the UK, I think three of our prime ministers, we didn't have a choice even in voting for them because they were voted by the incumbent party.

00:32:11.340 So we have no choice or influence on where our money goes.

00:32:16.340 In the UK, the NHS, which used to be a pretty good system, to be honest, is absolutely broken.

00:32:22.340 And it's just a bottomless money pit that they keep pumping money into.

00:32:27.340 So here's the problem.

00:32:28.340 So you have to pay for health care twice.

00:32:30.340 You pay for the NHS.

00:32:31.340 You can't get in.

00:32:32.340 So then you have to pay private.

00:32:33.340 Right.

00:32:34.340 Yeah.

00:32:35.340 And they just put a 20 percent tax on private schools and they gave private schools business rates.

00:32:42.340 Now, obviously, if you aspire to do well, one of the things you want to do is look after your children and give them a really good education,

00:32:47.340 because that's the one of the most important things.

00:32:49.340 So you put them in private school and they basically stuck a 25 percent tax.

00:32:53.340 Like surely the worst place to tax is educating our children.

00:32:58.340 So it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.

00:33:04.340 And I'm not planning to leave yet rich.

00:33:08.340 But one thing they're talking about here in the UK to add on to all of this.

00:33:12.340 And by the way, I haven't told you anywhere near all of them is a wealth tax.

00:33:16.340 And if they impose a wealth tax, that might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

00:33:21.340 Because, you know, you're going to have to report your net worth, however, regularly.

00:33:26.340 Do you know what? I've got 100 staff, at least 15 of them rich.

00:33:31.340 I have to employ for the bureaucracy I have to go through to file all of my accounts for all the taxes that I pay.

00:33:39.340 And by the way, if they were just simple.

00:33:41.340 Oh, Rob, here's 25 percent tax on everything you earn.

00:33:44.340 I would just pay it. I'd pay it with a smile.

00:33:47.340 I'd be grateful. I need one admin person to to manage that. 0.82

00:33:52.340 So my friend entrepreneur friends have all left.

00:33:54.340 They said I've left because it's 20 percent VAT, 25 percent corporation tax, 45 percent income tax, 15 percent national insurance.

00:34:05.340 And then that then when you get a little bit that's left, there's sales taxes on top of that.

00:34:10.340 The inheritance taxes are crazy. Stamp duty to buy a house on a nice house is 12 percent by a million pound house, which is not a lot of money nowadays.

00:34:20.340 It's one hundred and twenty grand.

00:34:22.340 It's a year's salary. And it's just it's just it's just frickin everywhere.

00:34:26.340 It's like bloody body blue with all of her men. It's just it's just fucking everywhere. 1.00

00:34:31.340 And the reason I'm not ready to go, Rich, is my parents are aging and I'm I'm not going to be selfish and get a phone call when I'm in Dubai saying your dad's passed away. 0.98

00:34:41.340 I can't do it. It's not the right priority for me.

00:34:45.340 So instead, Rich, I'm just going to get a load of good accountants and a load of good lawyers. 0.98

00:34:50.340 And I'm going to figure out what the fuck I can do. 0.98

00:34:54.340 Yeah. Life hands you lemons, you make some lemonade, I guess. 0.99

00:34:59.340 It's yeah, the taxes and the taxes and the taxes and they and they still can't seem to manage the money.

00:35:05.340 You know what I mean? It's like and people still vote for those same policies.

00:35:10.340 The thing that blew me away here in Canada is the Conservative Party offered a somewhat conservative platform, right?

00:35:17.340 So they said we're going to lower your income tax, which will save you an average of two thousand dollars a year.

00:35:23.340 Not a huge savings, but significant enough that it would be meaningful to the vast majority of the population.

00:35:28.340 That's like middle class. And then they also said we're going to remove the GST on the purchase of a new home under a million dollars.

00:35:37.340 The GST here is 13 percent. So million dollar home is one hundred thirty thousand dollars.

00:35:42.340 That's a that's a meaningful savings. People still voted for the Liberal Party.

00:35:46.340 Right. To me, that's just that's just.

00:35:50.340 Idiocracy on idiocracy, right?

00:35:52.340 It's like, how can you be so thick to go and vote for these policies that the Liberals want to impose, which is climate hysteria and mass immigration? 0.77

00:36:02.340 And the other thing that never really made a lot of sense in Canada to me, Rob, we're a vast country with huge amounts of natural resources, minerals, lumber, fresh water.

00:36:13.340 You go right down the list. We've got it right. Second largest country in the world next to Russia.

00:36:18.340 We've we've got vast quantities of natural resources.

00:36:21.340 Dubai's just got it like oil and they managed to figure it out with making a low tax saving for commerce to attract people to Canada just can't get their act together.

00:36:31.340 And it's like they just keep doing things over and over again just to take people off and people just keep leaving.

00:36:37.340 And I've just seen it for four years now. But I'm in the same boat, man.

00:36:40.340 It's like you have obligations. You've got some anchors, you know, tying you down.

00:36:44.340 There's only so much that you can do.

00:36:47.340 You know, it's expensive, but, you know, you you know, you do it.

00:36:52.340 You do it.

00:36:54.340 Sorry, go ahead.

00:36:56.340 Yeah. Well, one thing to add here, Rich, is I am moaning a lot because I'm a person of I have some influence and, you know, I've got a good following.

00:37:05.340 And is it moaning, though?

00:37:07.340 Well, no, this is what I was going to point is I kind of feel like I think it's wrong and I think we should speak out about what we think is wrong.

00:37:13.340 Otherwise, what will we become?

00:37:16.340 I think I have some social responsibility.

00:37:18.340 I run a real business that I have run for 20 years that, you know, makes many millions of pounds.

00:37:24.340 So I think I've got some experience, but I am also in a position where I can I can move if I have to.

00:37:33.340 And I can just travel a lot more and be here a lot less.

00:37:37.340 And so I think if anyone's watching and they agree with some of the things we're saying, Rich, but they don't have that mobility, that's your responsibility.

00:37:46.340 You know, if you build yourself some good wealth, then that gives you mobility because, you know, there's been times in the past and there's talk about it in the future of, you know, national service and all this. 0.99

00:37:58.340 Fuck that. I'm not fighting for this country, Rich. 0.99

00:38:00.340 So if they put a ridiculous wealth tax or they expect me to fight for this country, nah, I'll take my whole fucking family and I'll be gone. 0.99

00:38:11.340 Yeah. People want you to sacrifice and fight, don't they? 0.99

00:38:14.340 Yeah, that's OK if you're fighting for something that you believe in.

00:38:18.340 Yeah, I'll fight for something that I believe in.

00:38:21.340 That you can win at least like doesn't it make sense that you've got a fighting chance of actually winning or improving?

00:38:27.340 And it's like, you know, to me, I just look around and said, right, well, you lot voted for high taxes and climate hysteria and more wokeness.

00:38:35.340 So, you know, you've made your call.

00:38:37.340 I've got nothing to fight for. I'll just kick my feet up and let it burn down and I'll figure out, you know, the best way to manage my life around that or, you know, plan my exit when the time is appropriate for it.

00:38:46.340 And I think that's all that you can do. You know, people people want guys like you to stand up and fight and really do something to, you know, like improve stuff for them.

00:38:55.340 But they don't do shit with the next fucking election. They'll just vote for the same idiot that causes same levels of havoc and chaos that, you know, that they live in today, which is just so bizarre to me. 0.99

00:39:06.340 People people aren't mad enough. You know what I mean? Like people lost their fucking mind 100 odd years ago when the British imposed a tax on T Boston, you know, T the fucking havoc that they had back then. 1.00

00:39:20.340 I don't know if you know, you know, the story, but they lost their mind. I don't know. I think it was like one percent. 0.99

00:39:25.340 They lost their ever loving mind and revolted over that. But, you know, 40, 50 percent taxes, taxes on taxes, more taxes on taxes.

00:39:33.340 Yeah, I don't know. Well, I think a lot of it links back to if you think if you speak out about it, you might be worried about being canceled or you might be worried about going to prison for a social media post.

00:39:45.340 Sure. You said that. What's that called? That's called communism. Yeah.

00:39:50.340 Anyway, talking about cars, man, you're a you're a big petrol head. Yeah, I have a few.

00:39:57.340 Not as many as Andrew, but I have a few cars. Yeah.

00:40:00.340 Well, eight eight cars in the UK is probably equivalent of 50 cars where Andrew lives.

00:40:05.340 But talk to me about your passion for cars, because I know it's expensive to buy and maintain and own them in the UK with all the taxes and everything.

00:40:12.340 But what have you got? Well, when I was, I don't know, six, my dad got me working in his pub and I loved it.

00:40:20.340 And I didn't like school and I'm really like working in my dad's pub.

00:40:24.340 He used to help get me to pour the pints and empty the pinball and the slot machines and count all the money and bag it all up.

00:40:31.340 And I would just be I just say, Dad, when can I work? When can I work? When can I work?

00:40:34.340 And he'd pay me a pound a week. And there was a local shop that had pictures on that you could buy for a pound of all the nice cars.

00:40:44.340 But then it was like Ferrari Testarossa. Yeah, I think it was the Lamborghini Countach that was the one at the time.

00:40:51.340 The white one with the phone dial wheels with the black background.

00:40:56.340 Yes, I think so. Yeah.

00:40:58.340 I had the same poster.

00:40:59.340 Right. And so I would buy I would work for these, not get given them by my parents.

00:41:05.340 And so I do a week's work to put them up on my walls.

00:41:09.340 There was a Corvette and all these cars.

00:41:12.340 And then, you know, I had 20 years in between of dicking about and not really knowing what I wanted to do with my life and going to university. 0.98

00:41:22.340 What a fucking waste of time and money that was. 0.93

00:41:24.340 And then finally, when I was 26, 27, I started my own business. 0.99

00:41:29.340 And I always said to myself, by the time I'm 30, I'm going to get a Ferrari that was like a driver for me.

00:41:35.340 And I became a millionaire just before age 31.

00:41:38.340 So it was like millionaire and Ferrari age 30.

00:41:41.340 And I missed it by a few months.

00:41:43.340 But I've forgiven myself for that.

00:41:45.340 So the first Ferrari I bought was a 430 Spyder, which I think it's still I think it looks like a lovely car.

00:41:50.340 I'd probably have it back. I sold it.

00:41:52.340 I paid 75 for it.

00:41:54.340 I sold it for 78 five years later.

00:41:56.340 So I didn't do too bad.

00:41:58.340 It was a convert.

00:41:59.340 Obviously, the Spyder, the convertible.

00:42:01.340 And then after that, once you.

00:42:02.340 The manual or the F1?

00:42:04.340 No, the, the H gate manual gearbox.

00:42:07.340 I think that's.

00:42:08.340 The better one.

00:42:09.340 Way better.

00:42:10.340 Yeah.

00:42:11.340 And those, those early F1 gearboxes, they're temperamental. 1.00

00:42:13.340 For shit, yeah. 1.00

00:42:14.340 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:15.340 So, yeah.

00:42:16.340 And then that was, after that, I was like, I can't not have nice cars now.

00:42:20.340 So, so I bought the Ferrari Testarossa.

00:42:24.340 The, so I've got, it's 20,000 miles.

00:42:28.340 Um, this is some really good nick.

00:42:30.340 And I bought that because that was the first car I put on my wall.

00:42:33.340 So that was like, I've kind of, I've arrived.

00:42:35.340 I have a Lamborghini.

00:42:36.340 What you thought it would be.

00:42:37.340 Was it like meeting your hero or was it disappointing?

00:42:40.340 Um, if you mean to drive, um, it's the worst, it's probably the worst car I've ever driven.

00:42:48.340 It's like driving a tractor.

00:42:50.340 Cause I, I am, I had a 1989 Porsche 911 turbo in guards.

00:42:58.340 Is it?

00:42:59.340 Yeah.

00:43:00.340 Guards red.

00:43:01.340 The Fuchs alloys, you know, the, exactly how it should be. 0.92

00:43:05.340 And that thing was really nice to drive smooth.

00:43:09.340 Um, you know, for an hour car of that age, really great.

00:43:12.340 The Testarossa is like a tractor.

00:43:14.340 The steering is so hard.

00:43:16.340 Um, yeah.

00:43:17.340 So, but I didn't really care. 0.91

00:43:19.340 Like when they're really shit to drive, I just think it's really, I would probably drive 0.96

00:43:25.340 50 miles an hour in that car in a 70 on purpose. 0.97

00:43:29.340 I drive 20 miles an hour in a 30 cause it's just that kind of car.

00:43:33.340 And I look at it and I love it.

00:43:34.340 And it's gone up a fair amount in value since we bought it, which I, you know, I don't want 0.94

00:43:38.340 to be an idiot when I buy cars.

00:43:40.340 Um, I don't want to buy a 500 grand car that goes down to 200 grand in five years. 1.00

00:43:46.340 It's a bit of a sport in buying it.

00:43:48.340 Well, so no, it's a terrible drive.

00:43:51.340 I mean, it's a beautiful car.

00:43:53.340 It's a terrible drive.

00:43:55.340 Um, I have the Lamborghini Aventador.

00:43:58.340 Which, um, I'll probably keep forever.

00:44:01.340 Um, I'm, I'm not that blown away by the Revuelto. 0.91

00:44:04.340 Uh, it doesn't sound as good in my opinion.

00:44:07.340 The looks are okay, but I don't like it as much.

00:44:10.340 So I didn't trade up.

00:44:11.340 Um, I would have done if I really loved it.

00:44:14.340 Um, I don't like the SVJs cause I think they're like, when, when you were 17 and you 1.00

00:44:21.340 passed your test in the UK, you'd get like a Vauxhall Nova and then you'd spend a few hundred

00:44:26.340 quid on a big exhaust, you'd lower it.

00:44:29.340 You know, you'd put a spoiler on it to make it look better.

00:44:32.340 And I think that's what the SVJ looks like on the Aventador.

00:44:36.340 I prefer the pure Aventador.

00:44:38.340 I don't like filler.

00:44:39.340 I don't like big lips.

00:44:41.340 I like natural beauty.

00:44:43.340 So, um, I start with the, uh, Aventador.

00:44:46.340 Um, I have an Aston Martin DBS.

00:44:49.340 Um, which actually I just use as my run around daily.

00:44:52.340 Is that like the Casino Royale version?

00:44:55.340 Um, it's the latest version.

00:44:57.340 Oh, the new one.

00:44:58.340 Not the, not the.

00:44:59.340 Yeah.

00:45:00.340 So no, it's not.

00:45:01.340 It's the latest version.

00:45:03.340 Probably the, I mean, if you took a poll across everyone, I reckon the sexiest car on the planet

00:45:10.340 would be voted in as a DBS.

00:45:13.340 Um, women love it. 1.00

00:45:14.340 Men love it.

00:45:15.340 Um, so, I mean, obviously it's subjective.

00:45:18.340 I find that, that, that most people gravitate, uh, car shows and parking lots and gas stations

00:45:23.340 to the Lambos for some reason.

00:45:24.340 It doesn't, it doesn't matter what Lambo it is.

00:45:26.340 If it looks like a Lambo, they just, they just McLarens. 0.99

00:45:30.340 I haven't got a clue.

00:45:31.340 They look at it and they're like, what's that?

00:45:32.340 But the land is because of the badge.

00:45:33.340 They just know.

00:45:34.340 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:45:35.340 I probably, um, I would say maybe every two weeks I, um, get a request to, um, you know,

00:45:41.340 take a 16 year old for their first prom and take, and it's always the Lambo.

00:45:46.340 It's never any other car.

00:45:48.340 Um, and I think that's, I like to do that.

00:45:50.340 Cause I think it's nice to do.

00:45:52.340 Um, so you have an aerial atom, which I'm sure you know what that is.

00:45:56.340 That's the lucky you, you can't get those here.

00:45:58.340 Yeah.

00:45:59.340 Well, I mean, I only paid 75 grand for mine and it's like nought to 60 in about a millisecond.

00:46:04.340 Is that the supercharged Honda or the V8?

00:46:07.340 Yeah.

00:46:08.340 Yeah.

00:46:09.340 The, the supercharged V tech engine.

00:46:10.340 Um, what is it?

00:46:11.340 300 horsepower in half a key, half a ton of car.

00:46:14.340 Does it, does it really distort your face like it did with Clarkson?

00:46:17.340 Yeah, it does.

00:46:18.340 Yeah.

00:46:19.340 And the intake screams cause it's got the air intake here and you can hear it sucking

00:46:24.340 in when you change the gear and it just screams.

00:46:27.340 So you need a helmet then.

00:46:29.340 Yeah.

00:46:30.340 Yeah.

00:46:31.340 Well, you're supposed to wear a helmet.

00:46:32.340 Yeah.

00:46:33.340 Um, yeah, not the, the newest nine 11 turbo S, um, kind of like more just sort of for

00:46:38.340 the all rounder car.

00:46:40.340 Yeah.

00:46:41.340 I got one of those now.

00:46:42.340 Um, yeah.

00:46:43.340 What about you?

00:46:44.340 Have you, you, um, did we have a discussion about McLaren?

00:46:46.340 Cause I really didn't rate McLaren.

00:46:48.340 I think.

00:46:49.340 Yeah.

00:46:50.340 I think one of the things you brought up when we spoke a few years ago was that, um, you 0.99

00:46:53.340 thought that the reliability and the ownership experience was shit. 0.98

00:46:59.340 Um, and I had had mine for three years, maybe going on four. 0.99

00:47:04.340 I put 38,000 kilometers on it.

00:47:06.340 Cause I do a lot of rallies.

00:47:07.340 Like I do a lot of driving.

00:47:08.340 Um, we usually drive down to the States.

00:47:10.340 We go down through the Appalachian mountains.

00:47:11.340 There's some beautiful roads in there.

00:47:12.340 It's probably equivalent of you guys going to like, um, you know, uh, Switzerland or Northern

00:47:17.340 Italy or whatever. 0.98

00:47:18.340 Um, and I never had any mechanical issues, but I got a lot of warning lights for just bullshit. 0.95

00:47:25.340 Like it never stopped you from driving the car. 0.53

00:47:27.340 It was, I don't know, the, the arrow needed to get recalibrated or something like that.

00:47:32.340 A friend of mine's got a seven 50 that he just took on a rally last week.

00:47:35.340 And he had, he's never had a warning light on it once.

00:47:37.340 So they've improved every aspect of the car completely.

00:47:41.340 I drove it.

00:47:42.340 It's phenomenal.

00:47:43.340 I was, I was just blown away because I've got a nine nine two turbo with a tune on it.

00:47:47.340 And it's just as fast as a seven 50. 0.81

00:47:50.340 Like we did a half mile race down the, um, airstrip side by side basically.

00:47:55.340 But the seven 50 is just a much more exhilarating car to drive.

00:47:59.340 Um, and he's had no issues with it whatsoever.

00:48:02.340 So it seems like they fixed every metric on that car completely.

00:48:05.340 So that's very high up in the list for me for another, for my next rally car after I

00:48:10.340 get rid of the nine nine two turbo.

00:48:11.340 Right.

00:48:12.340 Yeah.

00:48:13.340 I'm, um, uh, I don't know if I'm ever going to own a model.

00:48:16.340 I don't know if I'm ever going to own a McLaren.

00:48:17.340 Who knows?

00:48:18.340 Maybe.

00:48:19.340 Yeah.

00:48:20.340 Honestly, man.

00:48:21.340 Like if you haven't driven a, like a seven 50 or a seven six five LT, just take it out

00:48:25.340 for a day or so and have a go with it.

00:48:27.340 And I think you'll, I think you'll probably change your mind.

00:48:30.340 They're, they're, they're fantastic cars.

00:48:31.340 Yeah.

00:48:32.340 I mean, they, they, they're good value as well, aren't they?

00:48:35.340 They dropped quite a lot.

00:48:36.340 So you second used one.

00:48:38.340 That's yeah.

00:48:39.340 Well, buy it used.

00:48:40.340 I mean, you're probably not going to make any money out of it.

00:48:42.340 You're probably going to lose some money for sure.

00:48:44.340 Um, I mean, if you want it to retain value, then get a low production Porsche, like a

00:48:49.340 GT three RS or something like that.

00:48:50.340 But yeah.

00:48:51.340 Um, nothing drives like a McLaren super series is like the seven 50 is a phenomenal automobile.

00:48:56.340 I, I, I fell in love with it all over again.

00:48:59.340 Like my friend's a race car driver basically.

00:49:02.340 And I had him in the passenger seat and I had him shitting in the passenger seat when

00:49:06.340 I was driving it, when I was going on the on ramps and the off ramps.

00:49:09.340 And it's just like, it, it, it drove like my seven 20, but it just had that little bit

00:49:14.340 more.

00:49:15.340 It was like McLaren turned the dial up from a 10 to like an 11 and gave you just a tiny

00:49:18.340 bit more in every area.

00:49:19.340 Yeah.

00:49:20.340 Phenomenal car.

00:49:21.340 Phenomenal car.

00:49:22.340 I definitely recommend taking one out.

00:49:23.340 Yeah.

00:49:24.340 All right.

00:49:25.340 Maybe, maybe I'll try.

00:49:26.340 Yeah.

00:49:27.340 What's your, what's your favorite of the bunch?

00:49:29.340 Like if you could just have one.

00:49:31.340 Um, like I'm 46 rich, so you're probably going to hate me for this.

00:49:41.340 And when you might not talk to me again, I'd probably have my Audi RS Q eight.

00:49:47.340 Really?

00:49:48.340 Wow.

00:49:49.340 Yeah.

00:49:50.340 Okay.

00:49:51.340 Yeah.

00:49:52.340 So, um, I, I got the Vorsprung edition paid a little over a hundred grand for it.

00:49:58.340 Yeah.

00:49:59.340 Um, I think they're better than the RS.

00:50:02.340 And if, if, you know, obviously they're not race cars, but they're fast and, um, you

00:50:08.340 can do absolutely anything and everything with that.

00:50:11.340 It's the most comfortable car with, I've never had a car with so many options on it.

00:50:15.340 They can do everything.

00:50:17.340 I can take my son to golf can do whatever I want.

00:50:20.340 My son doesn't like all the cars.

00:50:22.340 He's a bit like, Oh dad, you, you, you're flexing.

00:50:25.340 Too fast.

00:50:26.340 Yeah.

00:50:27.340 Yeah.

00:50:28.340 He doesn't like it.

00:50:29.340 So like that is when you take him to school and one of the supercars, he won't let me

00:50:33.340 won't have it.

00:50:34.340 Isn't that interesting?

00:50:35.340 Yeah.

00:50:36.340 I'd have loved it. 0.99

00:50:37.340 My dad had shit cars and I was embarrassed. 0.99

00:50:38.340 And now I've got nice cars and he's embarrassed. 1.00

00:50:40.340 I'm the same.

00:50:41.340 I would have loved if my old man took me to school or pick me up from school, a nice

00:50:45.340 car.

00:50:46.340 My daughter's embarrassed by, you know, the flash cars.

00:50:48.340 Yeah.

00:50:49.340 I don't get it.

00:50:50.340 I just don't get it.

00:50:51.340 I don't know.

00:50:52.340 There's this, there's this new thing today with, with teenagers where they want to blend

00:50:55.340 in or they don't want to stand out or whatever.

00:50:57.340 Yeah.

00:50:58.340 I don't get it.

00:50:59.340 Um, right.

00:51:00.340 So the RS Q8, that's interesting.

00:51:02.340 That is a, um, that is a really underrated car.

00:51:06.340 What is a car that you have your eye on that you haven't got yet that you'd like to get

00:51:11.340 your hands on?

00:51:12.340 Well, I have a problem with garage space, Rich.

00:51:15.340 So the first thing I should do is get a bigger garage.

00:51:18.340 Like let's, let's be realistic.

00:51:19.340 Let's say you've got a bigger garage or you can trade one out.

00:51:22.340 Okay.

00:51:23.340 Well, I, I will, I have got a plan to do something I plan.

00:51:26.340 Um, cause we've got three office buildings here and we own two of them and we rent one of

00:51:32.340 them just because we couldn't buy, um, cause they're all near each other.

00:51:36.340 And the one that we rent has my sales team in it.

00:51:39.340 So it's about 30 ish people in there of my sales team.

00:51:43.340 And a lot of them are young lads.

00:51:45.340 So, um, I'm going to keep my eye out and I'm going to buy a sort of a semi-industrial unit

00:51:50.340 and I'm going to build a glass mezzanine for all my sales staff.

00:51:53.340 And then I'm going to have all my cars at the bottom.

00:51:55.340 Cause I reckon that might just get them selling more if they can see all my cars underneath their offices.

00:52:01.340 So that's, that's in the plan.

00:52:05.340 Um, so the, like, I'm going to get a, I know I'm going to get this.

00:52:09.340 We're just lining up at the moment.

00:52:11.340 Uh, a three, five, five spider.

00:52:13.340 Oh, no kidding.

00:52:14.340 Yeah.

00:52:15.340 Because like in the UK you'll pay just under a hundred thousand for them.

00:52:19.340 And, um, I interviewed a guy called Tom Hartley Jr.

00:52:22.340 Who sells like he sold Bernie Eccleston's collection.

00:52:25.340 He's got like the most amount of F forties and rare cars.

00:52:29.340 He's like the top classic car guy, probably in the UK.

00:52:33.340 And he's got, I think seven or eight three, five fives.

00:52:36.340 And he says, Rob, these are going to go up.

00:52:38.340 These are the next ones you need to get a three, five, five.

00:52:41.340 So he reckons they're really nice to drive.

00:52:44.340 Um, I've driven one.

00:52:46.340 They're not, I mean, I had one for a day and I mean, they're not fast.

00:52:52.340 Well, no, they're actually amazing.

00:52:55.340 They're terribly slow.

00:52:56.340 You're right that they are.

00:52:57.340 Um, they're very underpowered for what they should be.

00:53:00.340 Um, they make a lot of noise and racket for the speed that they pull.

00:53:05.340 It's.

00:53:06.340 All right.

00:53:07.340 Yeah.

00:53:08.340 Yeah.

00:53:09.340 But I mean, you wouldn't expect it to be fast being a nineties car.

00:53:11.340 No, exactly.

00:53:12.340 You don't, but you don't buy them for that.

00:53:14.340 And I just cruise around in them, but, um, yeah, I I'm going to get while I'm getting

00:53:18.340 one.

00:53:19.340 So, um, or a coupe.

00:53:22.340 Um, you will get, I'll get a convertible.

00:53:24.340 Yeah.

00:53:25.340 I actually might get the, you know, is it the GTS, you know, where you can, the, the hard

00:53:29.340 roof.

00:53:30.340 Those ones are quite a bit more rare.

00:53:31.340 Yeah.

00:53:32.340 Yeah.

00:53:33.340 Yeah.

00:53:34.340 So, so, so that's, that's definitely the next one.

00:53:37.340 And I'm, I'm probably going to get a, well, I'm 99% sure on this as well.

00:53:43.340 Um, I'm probably going to get a, um, Bentley Mulsanne.

00:53:48.340 Hmm.

00:53:49.340 Nice car.

00:53:50.340 Um, these restomod companies like a singer and stuff like that.

00:53:54.340 No, no, no, no.

00:53:57.340 I don't know, man.

00:53:58.340 I saw singer at a, at a, at an automotive exhibit.

00:54:01.340 Last fall.

00:54:02.340 Um, and it was just beautiful.

00:54:04.340 It was like a piece of, it was a piece of art.

00:54:06.340 I mean, it's a million dollar plus, plus car and it's older tech, but they modernize everything

00:54:11.340 on it.

00:54:12.340 It looks beautiful as hell.

00:54:14.340 So, um, like I, um, I've been buying property for 20 years, rich.

00:54:18.340 And, um, we're always trying to get property as cheap as possible as you would.

00:54:22.340 It's an asset.

00:54:23.340 Um, uh, we're always trying to add value, make sure we've got really good equity in

00:54:27.340 it.

00:54:28.340 So it's like almost against my business religion to way over pay for something that I think

00:54:34.340 is quite highly likely to drop half in value.

00:54:37.340 Even, even if I can afford it, um, which I can, it just like, I don't, it's just like,

00:54:45.340 I can't do it.

00:54:46.340 It's like, there's like a malfunction in me.

00:54:48.340 And I think these, a lot of these rest time mods, I just think they're just going to

00:54:51.340 drop a lot.

00:54:52.340 I think.

00:54:53.340 Did you ever ride motorcycles?

00:54:55.340 No.

00:54:56.340 Well, yes.

00:54:57.340 When I was 17, nearly killed myself and then never did after that.

00:54:59.340 Okay.

00:55:00.340 Have you, have you had a go in a Porsche spider RS yet?

00:55:03.340 I'm curious if you've driven one.

00:55:05.340 No.

00:55:06.340 Okay.

00:55:07.340 I was on the last summer and I, I drive that more than I drive the turbo.

00:55:10.340 Now it's not, it's definitely not as comfortable cause it's got the carbon bucket seats and

00:55:15.340 it's not as fast, but it's just raw.

00:55:17.340 And I was talking to somebody, but at the other day and I was trying to, trying to explain

00:55:20.340 the feel of it.

00:55:21.340 And it's like a sport bike without a helmet.

00:55:23.340 Like you sit in this thing, it's a race car engine.

00:55:26.340 Cause it's got the GT three motor in it and you have this induction from the intakes just

00:55:31.340 over your shoulder, probably similar to the aerial atom, but it's naturally aspirated.

00:55:34.340 It just sounds incredible.

00:55:36.340 It's a very, very raw experience.

00:55:38.340 Right.

00:55:39.340 Okay.

00:55:40.340 I've not driven that.

00:55:41.340 Yeah.

00:55:42.340 All right.

00:55:43.340 Um, what about rallies?

00:55:44.340 Do you ever do rallies?

00:55:45.340 Are they just strictly for weekend drives to the pub or something?

00:55:49.340 Yeah.

00:55:50.340 Just, just really weekend drives.

00:55:52.340 Um, I haven't, and I've been invited to someone.

00:55:54.340 I think I'm going to get myself out and about more.

00:55:57.340 I don't track them.

00:55:58.340 I track someone else's car, ruin someone else's tires and brakes, not mine.

00:56:02.340 Um, but not really.

00:56:04.340 And I, I think I'm going to change that rich.

00:56:07.340 Yeah.

00:56:08.340 I find tracking kind of boring cause you're doing circles all day long.

00:56:11.340 Um, but the road tripping part to me is just exciting as hell.

00:56:14.340 Like I, I could do it all day, every day.

00:56:17.340 It's, it's that much fun for me.

00:56:19.340 Yeah.

00:56:20.340 Um, yeah.

00:56:21.340 If you get an opportunity to go out in a rally with a bunch of good guys that know how to

00:56:23.340 drive and you have a good fast car, then you'll, you know, you have a blast, but you

00:56:27.340 have to get kitted out properly with radio.

00:56:28.340 So you can communicate for passing radar detectors, like all this stuff, because you're

00:56:33.340 not doing the speed limit.

00:56:34.340 You're not going out for Sunday drive doing 20 and a 30.

00:56:36.340 You're doing usually considerably more, but it's, but it's, but it's rather safe because

00:56:43.340 you're traveling with a large group.

00:56:45.340 Right?

00:56:46.340 So it's like, you know, if the police ever get involved, it's like, you know, there's

00:56:48.340 ways to sort of talk yourself out of it.

00:56:51.340 Um, what else do I have here?

00:56:55.340 We got closer.

00:56:56.340 Oh, we've ripped through an hour.

00:56:58.340 Um, you've got, you've got children, right?

00:57:01.340 I think you've got son and daughter.

00:57:03.340 Yeah.

00:57:04.340 What is the difference that you found in raising boys versus girls?

00:57:08.340 You know, to hear your perspective on, on that as a father.

00:57:12.340 Um, yeah, so, um, it, I don't know if my answer is going to be something that people

00:57:29.340 can take on, but I'll try.

00:57:32.340 So like, I think any dad who's got a daughter, I was maybe concerned, you know, when she gets

00:57:40.340 to 15, 16 and how she going to be treated by, um, boys and men.

00:57:47.340 Um, but my daughter is very strong character.

00:57:53.340 She's got a lot of sass and quite quickly, I realized while she's going to get her heart

00:57:59.340 broken and she's going to have things happen to her in life.

00:58:03.340 She's probably going to be okay.

00:58:05.340 Cause she's just strong.

00:58:07.340 So I sort of didn't feel that over need to protect her.

00:58:13.340 Um, my son has a, like a quite a serious nut allergy and he has to be very careful.

00:58:20.340 Um, and so he's quite an anxious person and, um, he is unbelievably empathetic, unbelievably

00:58:30.340 good at reading people, but you know, very introverted.

00:58:35.340 Um, and, um, he was probably in the top five best golfers in the world age five, six.

00:58:40.340 We just did it every day.

00:58:42.340 And, and like, I had an amazing time and I really pushed that.

00:58:45.340 I probably pushed it a bit hard if I'm honest, rich, but, but I realized with my wife and my

00:58:51.340 family's help sort of age seven, that he didn't like the competitions.

00:58:54.340 He didn't like the pressure.

00:58:56.340 He was an anxious person and that, um, that wasn't probably his calling.

00:59:02.340 It was probably more me trying to make it something for him.

00:59:07.340 So I really backed off.

00:59:08.340 And at first I sort of felt a bit sad about that, or maybe resented people around me who

00:59:15.340 were trying to get me to back off by backed off.

00:59:18.340 Um, and so what I think I've learned about parenting is, um, one, your kids are very different

00:59:28.340 to, they have their own innate personality.

00:59:31.340 You know, I remember going through that stage where, oh, well, you know, everything's, um,

00:59:36.340 nurture, not nature, and you can become anything you want to be.

00:59:39.340 And I think you can, but when my kids were literally weeks old, you could see personalities

00:59:47.340 form that would not nurture because they were too young.

00:59:50.340 So your kids will have their own personalities.

00:59:54.340 Um, and you'll have expectations of how you should raise your daughter and your son.

00:59:59.340 And that will probably be disrupted and blown out of the window.

01:00:02.340 Um, you'll, you'll try and impose things on them, which they won't necessarily like or

01:00:07.340 want to be.

01:00:08.340 And I think if you're, um, if you love them, you'll go through that journey and you'll embrace

01:00:14.340 more who they are more than who you want them to be.

01:00:19.340 And that was a big shift from me, for me.

01:00:22.340 Um, and then as they got a bit older, the biggest lesson I had was they do not listen to

01:00:29.340 anything you say, but they watch everything you do.

01:00:32.340 So I don't really tell them what to do anymore over and above the, the necessary

01:00:38.340 things.

01:00:39.340 I, I, I try and behave in a way that I think would inspire them.

01:00:44.340 So I train a lot.

01:00:45.340 So my son can see that.

01:00:47.340 Um, I've never had an argument with my wife in front of my children.

01:00:51.340 And that's, she's equally responsible for that.

01:00:54.340 And I like, you know, I treat her really well without, you know, being a pushover.

01:01:01.340 Um, and I think that's really important.

01:01:04.340 So I think I hopefully feel like I'm teaching my son to have a healthy respect for women.

01:01:10.340 I am the only thing I'm forcing my son to do, but I'll do it in a way that hopefully

01:01:14.340 is good is boxing and crap because I just think that like, that's, that's what I have 0.84

01:01:19.340 to arm them with. 0.95

01:01:20.340 I've brought them into the business.

01:01:22.340 They've worked for me a fair bit.

01:01:24.340 Um, the more you push anything on them, the less they want to do it.

01:01:27.340 Um, I'd love them to get involved in the business, but I'll love them no matter what they want

01:01:31.340 to do.

01:01:32.340 Um, and that's my summary of my parenting journey.

01:01:36.340 And I've known many very smart people who've given advice and it just doesn't work because

01:01:41.340 parenting is such a unique and individual thing.

01:01:46.340 What do you think of Andrew Tate's approach to parenting?

01:01:49.340 Um, right, so I had a bit of a ding dong with him on the last show about this because I said,

01:01:55.340 well, what if your daughter ends up being like Bonnie Blue?

01:01:57.340 Oh, she won't.

01:01:58.340 I said, well, what if?

01:01:59.340 Oh, she won't.

01:02:00.340 Oh, well, what if?

01:02:01.340 Well, if they defy me on the table, then they will get my Roth.

01:02:05.340 And I just thought he's clearly got a lot of young kids because he has not got a lot

01:02:09.340 of parenting experience.

01:02:11.340 And I tell you what happened because this is a universal law.

01:02:15.340 Everything that Andrew Tate doesn't want his kids to do, they'll do.

01:02:18.340 They'll do to defy him.

01:02:20.340 They'll do because of the universal law of balance.

01:02:23.340 Um, I remember a mentor of mine, Dr. John Demartini.

01:02:26.340 He said, if you're, if you're proud at work, your wife will humiliate you at home.

01:02:31.340 If you're struggling out in the real world, you know, your wife will support you at home

01:02:37.340 because you have, you have the natural balance and order.

01:02:40.340 So the, the more you push and impose and control someone, the more the opposite traits you'll

01:02:47.340 get presented to teach you to love that part of them and yourself. 1.00

01:02:52.340 So Andrew takes can have fucking problems with his daughters. 1.00

01:02:55.340 I guarantee you at rich. 1.00

01:02:57.340 Well, it sounds like he's already got problems with some of his kids.

01:03:00.340 Mom's not complying with his wishes because they're stuck in council estates versus the 1.00

01:03:05.340 ones that get the Bentley's in the mansions. 0.82

01:03:07.340 Um, yeah, yeah.

01:03:10.340 Well, I mean, he's, he's not going to be able to be a very hands-on parent with all these

01:03:14.340 children in all these places around the world.

01:03:17.340 And, you know, you can have values and everything rich, but, um, they also need your time.

01:03:22.340 And, um, you know, I, I asked Andrew, you know, a few times about love and what love is and

01:03:29.340 what does love mean?

01:03:30.340 And, you know, he says to protect and provide, um, but you know, your children need to feel

01:03:36.340 your love and that's not all discipline.

01:03:41.340 You know, they need like my dad.

01:03:44.340 I think he told me he loved me once, maybe twice and rich is the best memories of my dad.

01:03:51.340 Um, and you like, you can't just be hard, you know, the, everyone needs love.

01:03:59.340 Um, and they need support as much as they need challenge.

01:04:02.340 Now, if you've got a brilliant partner, my wife is just the best mom in the world and

01:04:06.340 she does all the support.

01:04:07.340 So I can do a bit of the challenge, but, um, yeah, just like, I'm going to enjoy talking

01:04:14.340 to Andrew in 10 years.

01:04:15.340 Cause everything he thinks these kids are never going to do cause he wouldn't have any of it. 0.99

01:04:19.340 He's going to fucking do it. 0.99

01:04:21.340 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:22.340 That'll be interesting to see unfold over the time.

01:04:25.340 I think they're all, do you agree with me on that?

01:04:27.340 Do you think he's going to have a challenge with them?

01:04:29.340 You know, you know, like you said, I find him to be a very performative talker.

01:04:36.340 You know what I mean?

01:04:37.340 Like, like there's only, I find him a little bit different privately versus his public sort

01:04:43.340 of persona, especially over the years as he sort of developed it and build it, built it

01:04:47.340 up a little bit.

01:04:48.340 Um, I think he's a lot nicer than, than, than people give him credit for.

01:04:52.340 And he's, um, um, clever for sure.

01:04:56.340 But I don't know that his, I don't know, man.

01:05:00.340 I mean, like, we'll see, like, is there a perfect parenting strategy?

01:05:03.340 Is there the best way?

01:05:05.340 Like, I certainly think that you, that you have to treat boys different from girls. 0.98

01:05:10.340 I think boys have to be encouraged and guided to create value for themselves because it's

01:05:16.340 expected of them when they become men to be useful, to provide value to the world.

01:05:22.340 It's what makes them attractive to women as well. 0.99

01:05:25.340 Um, whereas for women it's, it's almost opposite encounter where it's like, you need to preserve 0.77

01:05:32.340 your value.

01:05:33.340 You need to maintain, uh, some level of, uh, privacy.

01:05:38.340 Um, like I don't get the whole notion of promiscuity today, you know, with girls just 0.79

01:05:43.340 running around having a good time and thousand guy challenges or whatever they happen to be.

01:05:47.340 I think that's, that's, that's very harmful to women. 1.00

01:05:50.340 But, um, yeah, it's a different narrative.

01:05:53.340 I think for boys and girls is, you know, preserve the value for girls and create value for boys.

01:05:58.340 And it's a different kind of value, you know, like value that, that, that, that make men

01:06:03.340 valuable, that, that, that turn boys into men is different from what women need to do, 1.00

01:06:08.340 I think.

01:06:09.340 And, um, it's different conversations, a different set of boundaries, different set of rules that

01:06:13.340 you're going to apply to those kids, I think.

01:06:15.340 And he takes it to, to like an extreme performative level where it's like, you know, my boys names

01:06:20.340 will be known.

01:06:21.340 The entire MMA card will be Tate's and that's an ambitious story to tell yourself.

01:06:27.340 And I'm, I'm sure between Andrew and Tristan, they'll probably bang out a whole bunch of

01:06:31.340 sons and might actually accomplish that goal.

01:06:34.340 But somewhere along the lines, and I think I asked him this once about parenting.

01:06:39.340 Um, you know, like, what would you do if she's not going to obey you or comply with your wishes

01:06:45.340 sort of thing? 1.00

01:06:46.340 And he's just like, well, she can fuck off then. 1.00

01:06:48.340 Basically, I'm not gonna have anything to do with her. 1.00

01:06:50.340 And I've, I've not put all my eggs in one basket, right?

01:06:53.340 You know, like they're spread out sort of thing.

01:06:55.340 And I don't know, I guess we'll see.

01:06:57.340 Like, you know, maybe that's a winning strategy.

01:06:59.340 I don't know.

01:07:00.340 Well, we'll see is always a wise statement, isn't it?

01:07:04.340 We will see.

01:07:05.340 Yeah.

01:07:07.340 Yeah.

01:07:08.340 Time, time does, uh, you know, it's a truth teller.

01:07:11.340 Yeah.

01:07:12.340 I know he got, you know, criticized and incarcerated for, for his, uh, you know, playboy lifestyle.

01:07:17.340 I think it's more so Tristan than Andrew.

01:07:19.340 I think he said Tristan was more of the playboy, but, um, you know, I, I, I've always known

01:07:25.340 that the truth or evidence as it, as it happens to be tends to find its way to you over time.

01:07:32.340 You know, if you've been misrepresented or if you've been, or if your personality has

01:07:37.340 been lied about, or if they've accused you of something that you've never done at some

01:07:41.340 point, whether it comes from that individual or somebody that knows the individual that

01:07:44.340 knows the truth or has evidence of it.

01:07:46.340 And he says he has some evidence.

01:07:47.340 Be interesting to see what that looks like.

01:07:49.340 But, um, you know, it's one of those things like, you know, they accuse him of doing a whole

01:07:53.340 bunch of stuff and people would ask, well, what do you think he's done?

01:07:56.340 It's like, I don't know.

01:07:57.340 Let's see, you know, let's see what ends up happening.

01:07:59.340 You know, I like the guy and I, I do a rally with him and have a, you know, laugh with him.

01:08:04.340 I'd, I'd rather sit down and have dinner with Andrew Tate and Bonnie Blue, to be honest

01:08:07.340 with you.

01:08:08.340 I think it's a much, much more interesting conversation.

01:08:10.340 We'll have a lot more in common.

01:08:11.340 Um, but, uh, yeah, we'll see, I guess.

01:08:14.340 We'll see.

01:08:15.340 Yeah.

01:08:16.340 Um, so we talked about parenting.

01:08:20.340 What let's talk about wealth because men still want to create life changing money. 1.00

01:08:29.340 In your opinion, what do you think the best way is for men to go out there and put a little

01:08:36.340 bit of a dent in the universe for themselves?

01:08:39.340 Okay.

01:08:40.340 Um, the first thing I'll say is probably the most important thing you can do for your

01:08:48.340 freedom is to get rich.

01:08:51.340 Yeah.

01:08:52.340 Maybe the most important thing you can do for your life is to be healthy.

01:08:55.340 You know, have a really, what does rich mean to you?

01:08:58.340 Like, what does that number look like?

01:09:00.340 Um, enough money to, um, be able to say, no, they locked me down.

01:09:06.340 I say, no, they want me to stick needles in my arms.

01:09:09.340 I say, no.

01:09:10.340 Okay.

01:09:11.340 That.

01:09:12.340 And cause here's the thing.

01:09:13.340 I used to think getting rich was about being able to say yes to everything and do anything

01:09:17.340 I want.

01:09:18.340 But now with our freedoms being potentially infringed, it's say no. 1.00

01:09:24.340 So if they debank me, so fuck you to the banks. 0.99

01:09:27.340 That's being rich is being able to say no and, and having enough either recurring income 1.00

01:09:34.340 or diverse income or decentralized income or private income that you can see.

01:09:40.340 No, I'm not going to enlist.

01:09:41.340 No, I'm not going to pay 80% tax.

01:09:43.340 I've got enough money to go to Dubai and take my family with me.

01:09:46.340 That is the, the, I believe the modern rich.

01:09:50.340 It used to be do what you want when you want, where you want with who you want.

01:09:54.340 That used to be 20 years ago, it used to be about passive or recurring income, but the

01:09:59.340 world has changed.

01:10:00.340 And so it's, you know, it's, it's not a hundred grand a year.

01:10:04.340 That's nothing anymore.

01:10:05.340 It's definitely not in the UK or Canada.

01:10:07.340 And a million is just not much money anymore.

01:10:10.340 It doesn't go very far.

01:10:12.340 So, you know, I think you probably need around 10 million liquid.

01:10:16.340 Um, you, you probably need a net worth of 20 million plus.

01:10:21.340 If you want that attractiveness in, you know, females and other people, because by the way,

01:10:27.340 attractiveness rich, isn't just females. 1.00

01:10:29.340 It's business partners.

01:10:31.340 It's other men. 0.96

01:10:32.340 It's, you know, connections.

01:10:33.340 It's being able to get doors open.

01:10:35.340 It's been able to get really good guests on podcasts.

01:10:37.340 It's all of that as well.

01:10:40.340 Um, so, you know, your, your health and your fitness makes you look attractive, but then

01:10:46.340 your wealth makes you look attractive.

01:10:48.340 So they're the two most important things you can probably do in your life.

01:10:51.340 So I reckon 10 million liquid and 20 million net worth is kind of what you need, but you've

01:10:57.340 got to keep banging it up because inflation or wipe it down over time.

01:11:00.340 So that, and I define wealth as being able to say no to the things you don't want to

01:11:05.340 do.

01:11:06.340 And then probably like I had to do it the old school way, rich.

01:11:09.340 I've got 345 rental properties that I own.

01:11:12.340 I've got, you know, tens of thousands of square foot of offices with a hundred staff in it.

01:11:17.340 Now information business, AI, probably, um, having global customers, um, leveraging social

01:11:26.340 media and being a creator.

01:11:28.340 So you can find all your customers without having to spend loads of money on media buying

01:11:31.340 or ads.

01:11:32.340 These are the modern ways. 0.99

01:11:33.340 And the great news is no matter how shit your life is, if you can get on the internet, 0.99

01:11:40.340 you've got a chance. 0.98

01:11:41.340 The playing field rich is so much more level than it used to be when you and I started.

01:11:45.340 I'm not saying it's harder in some other areas.

01:11:47.340 I'm not playing a violin, but the level, the playing field to get in, you can get in,

01:11:51.340 you can get in, you can get a website for a few dollars.

01:11:55.340 You know, you can get online for nothing.

01:11:57.340 You can start creating content for not much.

01:12:00.340 You can launch a membership site.

01:12:01.340 I noticed you're on school.

01:12:03.340 Well, I've got my, I've got my own school money.school.

01:12:06.340 It's got 12,000 members.

01:12:08.340 You can build that in no time on someone else's platform.

01:12:11.340 That's the modern way to make money.

01:12:12.340 And of course you said it earlier.

01:12:14.340 I think rich it gives you mobility.

01:12:16.340 It means you can move if your location isn't tied, you know, to having a restaurant in a town where no one's going to that town anymore.

01:12:25.340 So information based product that's location independent that you can run from anywhere in the world while commanding an audience.

01:12:35.340 Yeah.

01:12:36.340 And anyone can do that.

01:12:38.340 Eight year olds on YouTube do that.

01:12:40.340 The gatekeepers are gone.

01:12:42.340 You know, when we were younger men, you, you needed the permission of a publishing company to write a book.

01:12:47.340 I've written a book that if the New York times list accepted as, um, a rankable book because I self published, it would be a New York times a seller.

01:12:58.340 It's sold that many copies.

01:13:00.340 Uh, you want to start your own TV show.

01:13:02.340 You just upload to YouTube.

01:13:03.340 I press the same button that you press that Mr. Beast press that the next guy that has no subscribers press.

01:13:08.340 So, yeah, I mean like the great thing for younger guys today.

01:13:12.340 And I keep telling them this is like the, the gatekeepers have been removed.

01:13:16.340 You want a radio show, a podcast, you want a TV show, you want to create content, blog, whatever it happens to be like, you know, pick your poison, develop a skill or some value and then just give it away.

01:13:27.340 And then, you know, sell something to them, you know, they say, um, what do they say?

01:13:34.340 Um, give away the why, sell the how.

01:13:38.340 Yeah.

01:13:39.340 They give away the what and the why.

01:13:41.340 Yeah.

01:13:42.340 Yeah.

01:13:43.340 Yeah.

01:13:44.340 Do you have any other, um, like you're a, you're a big real estate guy.

01:13:49.340 Would you recommend, uh, men get into real estate at this point in their life?

01:13:54.340 And I say, man, when I'm, I'm speaking, cause it's like 95% of my audience, but yeah.

01:13:58.340 Um, so I think one of the greatest ways to get rich for the longterm and build vast wealth is to make your money in a business and park the profits into physical assets like real estate.

01:14:14.340 Real estate.

01:14:15.340 Now, um, modern people are putting their money into gold and silver cause they don't trust the government or they're putting their money into Bitcoin or out coins because they're younger or whatever.

01:14:25.340 Um, but if you imagine a triangle, you have capital, well, you have income, capital, and equity.

01:14:32.340 So it spells ice income, capital, equity, and a triangle spells ice.

01:14:37.340 Bitcoin has no income.

01:14:40.340 It has capital cause it's what it's worth, but it has no equity equity is if you could buy it for 30% less than it it's worth.

01:14:48.340 You can't buy it.

01:14:49.340 You can't get equity in gold unless you can get it at a spot price.

01:14:52.340 And you're talking three or 4%.

01:14:53.340 Um, the stock market's got income and capital, but probably no equity.

01:14:58.340 Um, the pretty much the only two things you can buy that have income capital and equity are an existing business that you buy cheap or real estate.

01:15:07.340 So for example, my business partner and I, um, we're buying two properties and we will develop them and add a load of value, but they were about 5 million pounds each in five years ago.

01:15:19.340 And we're paying a little over two and a half for, for both of them.

01:15:23.340 So we're buying it 50% less than it was priced at five years ago.

01:15:28.340 Now, um, it's not worth double, but it's worth more than we paid for it.

01:15:33.340 So there's equity in it, which means, you know, I've bought it.

01:15:36.340 Well, I could sell it tomorrow at a profit.

01:15:38.340 It's going to go up in value.

01:15:40.340 It's probably going to double every 12 to 15 years.

01:15:43.340 So it's going to be 5 million and 10 million and 20 million and 40 million.

01:15:47.340 And real estate produces a really good income stream.

01:15:51.340 And people don't realize that when they think about gold or Bitcoin or other stuff, they only have one of the three of, of ice.

01:15:58.340 The one major drawback of real estate for young men who want to be mobile is you can't carry your properties around the world with you.

01:16:06.340 So what you've got to do is you've got to find a fixed location, which has got good real estate rights.

01:16:11.340 So the UK is one of the best legal systems in the world.

01:16:14.340 It's got, that's got one thing going for it.

01:16:16.340 So if you own the deeds of a property in the UK, you fricking own that.

01:16:19.340 And no one, you know, the legal system is really good.

01:16:21.340 So UK is good for that.

01:16:23.340 UK also is an Island.

01:16:24.340 It's, um, you know, way under supply.

01:16:27.340 You know, way under supply of properties.

01:16:29.340 It's got good long-term, um, metrics for, for real estate.

01:16:33.340 So you make your money in business, you park it and grow it in real estate.

01:16:38.340 And, and you know, that's how I, um, that's how I made my millions. Yeah.

01:16:42.340 So it sounds like you endorse that for younger men going forward.

01:16:46.340 Like it's still a profitable, good idea.

01:16:49.340 Well, I mean, Rich, look.

01:16:51.340 It's a slower business to make money though. Yeah.

01:16:54.340 Yeah.

01:16:55.340 I mean, the answer to everything actually is it depends.

01:16:59.340 So if you're 21 and you want to travel to seven countries a year, um, you, you maybe

01:17:06.340 want to wait, maybe you don't want to buy it yet. 0.94

01:17:08.340 Um, but if you want to build an empire, like a fucking empire, like when you're 50 or 60, 0.92

01:17:17.340 you know, you start playing monopoly and you dominate it and you own the whole board, real 0.96

01:17:22.340 estate's the only way.

01:17:23.340 So it depends what you want.

01:17:25.340 Um, and I like, I want an empire.

01:17:28.340 I walk down my city.

01:17:30.340 I have a hundred apartment block that we developed.

01:17:33.340 We bought just the shop at the front with a load of empty space.

01:17:36.340 We developed four flat floors above.

01:17:38.340 It's a hundred apartments.

01:17:40.340 And it's a, it's 135,000 square foot.

01:17:44.340 And it, it feels like I'm playing monopoly. 0.98

01:17:47.340 And I loved monopoly and I wanted to own the whole fucking board. 0.91

01:17:51.340 So if that like, so, you know, cause you've got like sort of a lifestyle type person, a 0.96

01:17:57.340 lifestyle type person probably doesn't want to load a real estate. 0.99

01:18:00.340 Cause it's probably a noose around their neck.

01:18:02.340 They should have information businesses, membership sites, but then there's empire builders.

01:18:07.340 You know, my friend Grant, you know, he's an empire builder, Grant Cardone.

01:18:11.340 So it kind of depends what you are, but if you want to build an empire, real estate

01:18:15.340 is the best asset class of them all or big business.

01:18:19.340 That was a 20 year run for you.

01:18:21.340 Was it?

01:18:22.340 Yeah.

01:18:23.340 I've been investing in real estate for 20 years.

01:18:24.340 Yeah.

01:18:25.340 Yeah.

01:18:26.340 Yeah.

01:18:27.340 Everybody that I know that's made like vast quantities of, of, of, of wealth in real

01:18:32.340 estate is, has always bought, turned, churned, you know, the, it's always taken decades.

01:18:37.340 If I can put it that way.

01:18:39.340 Um, well, I don't, sorry.

01:18:41.340 I don't sell any of them either.

01:18:44.340 Yeah.

01:18:45.340 That's the only thing that I've heard too.

01:18:46.340 You sell it unless it's a total dog.

01:18:49.340 Yeah.

01:18:50.340 Um, you mentioned Bitcoin.

01:18:53.340 You're not bullish on Bitcoin or you're different.

01:18:56.340 I have Bitcoin.

01:18:57.340 I don't have a massive amount of my overall net worth in Bitcoin.

01:19:01.340 Um, I probably will buy more.

01:19:04.340 Um, the thing with Bitcoin is everybody who loves Bitcoin is myopically, evangelically

01:19:13.340 colorblind.

01:19:14.340 Like no one will criticize Michael Saylor.

01:19:18.340 He is God and King, but I've never heard him say any, any downside about Bitcoin.

01:19:24.340 Everything has downsides.

01:19:25.340 I just said ice income capital equity.

01:19:28.340 Bitcoin doesn't have income or equity.

01:19:30.340 So everyone you talked to about Bitcoin is who so bullish into Bitcoin cannot see the

01:19:34.340 downsides.

01:19:35.340 That's like going out on a date and falling in love with someone on the first day.

01:19:38.340 I'm sorry, but you've been with them six years.

01:19:41.340 You're divorcing the same person you fell in love with.

01:19:43.340 So I'm not bullish in, um, in Bitcoin to the point where I can't see the downsides. 0.63

01:19:49.340 Cause that would make me an idiot, but I have Bitcoin and I will buy more, but it's

01:19:53.340 a, you think it's going to go to a million like Saylor predicts. 0.90

01:19:58.340 Um, I mean, you know, what it has on its side is, um, scarcity, doesn't it?

01:20:04.340 Um, so it, it'll go, it'll get to a million in the end.

01:20:09.340 If it, if, if really no more is created, but, um, but how long and when will no one

01:20:15.340 can predict that?

01:20:16.340 Cause not even Warren Buffett can predict the, you know, what markets will do when they'll

01:20:20.340 do them, just that they'll do them.

01:20:22.340 Yeah.

01:20:23.340 It does concern me that some very, very smart people aren't as bullish on Bitcoin.

01:20:28.340 And you know, you, you, you only need one small crack for everything to go wrong in

01:20:33.340 Bitcoin and Bitcoin's not been around very long.

01:20:37.340 If you could have a dinner with three people alive or dead, who would you choose to sit

01:20:42.340 down at the table with?

01:20:43.340 I definitely have dinner with Michael Jackson.

01:20:46.340 Um, he would probably be the first one.

01:20:49.340 My friend was his bodyguard.

01:20:51.340 Um, so I know a lot of, um, intimate details about Michael that many people don't.

01:20:56.340 I loved his music as a kid.

01:20:58.340 He's obviously controversial.

01:21:00.340 Um, so he would probably be the first.

01:21:03.340 Uh, the next will be the queen, like one of the most amazing stoic leaders, um, ever 1.00

01:21:12.340 really like her mantra, never complain and never explain.

01:21:16.340 It's not easy to do and it's not easy to do for six decades.

01:21:20.340 Um, so I think she's a very strong stoic woman and we, they don't make them like that anymore, 0.85

01:21:27.340 rich.

01:21:28.340 So I would say the queen would be second.

01:21:32.340 Um, are you talking about people I like or people I'd find really fascinating?

01:21:38.340 Your choice.

01:21:40.340 It's your dinner.

01:21:41.340 Okay.

01:21:42.340 So Michael Jackson, I was a fan as a kid, really interesting queen.

01:21:46.340 I admire.

01:21:47.340 I'm going to pick. 0.99

01:21:48.340 So therefore I'm going to have to pick someone else really fucking crazy, like maybe Hitler 1.00

01:21:53.340 or, you know, someone who is like a, a psychopath on another level. 1.00

01:21:58.340 Cause they just want to know how their mind works.

01:22:01.340 Um, so yeah, maybe, maybe someone like that.

01:22:06.340 Cause yeah, like I say this with humility, rich, but you know, many people who I'd like

01:22:11.340 to have dinner with, I can, or I have.

01:22:13.340 Um, so I mean, Donald Trump would be fascinating.

01:22:17.340 Yeah.

01:22:18.340 Um, I love Zlatan Ibrahimovic, but he just think he's cool.

01:22:23.340 Um, I love heavy metal.

01:22:25.340 So I probably would want him Trent Reznor of nine inch nails.

01:22:28.340 It'd be cool, but like to have a really light, I can't even eat my food.

01:22:32.340 Cause this is bonkers. 0.80

01:22:33.340 It'd have to be someone who'd murdered a lot of people. 0.97

01:22:37.340 Yeah. 0.69

01:22:38.340 I think, I think Hitler would have to be at the table for sure. 0.99

01:22:40.340 He's a, he's an interesting, uh, he's a character for sure.

01:22:44.340 There's no question about it.

01:22:46.340 I've noticed, um, you know, the last year or so, um, a lot of people have been openly

01:22:51.340 critical of Winston Churchill saying that he was the real villain during, during the

01:22:56.340 second world war.

01:22:57.340 Have you seen much of that?

01:22:58.340 Um, I haven't.

01:23:00.340 And of course I don't know the reality.

01:23:04.340 And I think we should all acknowledge what we don't know.

01:23:07.340 And, um, there's a lot more we don't know than we do know.

01:23:11.340 Ray Dalio talks about that.

01:23:12.340 And I really admire him for being honest about that.

01:23:14.340 So I don't really know the deal with Winston Churchill.

01:23:17.340 Here's what I do know.

01:23:18.340 Obviously he's English.

01:23:19.340 So over here, it's going to be more good PR than bad PR.

01:23:23.340 Um, but you know, if you're the enemy of England at the time when he was prime minister,

01:23:29.340 of course, you're going to have something bad to say.

01:23:31.340 The great British empire was brilliant, except if you were on the receiving end of colonization.

01:23:36.340 So everything has upside and downside.

01:23:39.340 Um, when you're in that position fighting wars and you're a strong leader, then you're

01:23:43.340 going to have as many enemies as you do allies.

01:23:46.340 And yeah, I imagine, um, I imagine there was some darkness to him because there's darkness in all of us.

01:23:53.340 Mm.

01:23:54.340 You mentioned the colonizer a bit and I've, you know, I've heard that, uh, mentioned before by a lot of people with contempt.

01:24:03.340 Um, you know, my dad served with the Royal air force and traveled around a lot of the world, same thing with my uncle and a lot of my family from the UK.

01:24:11.340 And it's like, you know, I kept hearing stories about England going in, creating infrastructure, schools, sewage, hydroelectricity, rail, stuff like that.

01:24:20.340 And they just sort of handed it all back to the country.

01:24:23.340 Are you on, are you on the camp of, uh, of like the, the quote unquote colonizers?

01:24:27.340 Are you, I mean, did England do good for the world?

01:24:31.340 And I guess is the question.

01:24:33.340 Again, um, I have very limited knowledge on that and I wasn't there, but, um, I imagine that there was a,

01:24:41.340 there was benefits.

01:24:42.340 Um, yeah, I imagine we brought a lot of, um, service and value and peace in some places that didn't have peace before.

01:24:52.340 But I imagine we also, um, were violent because, you know, in order to have peace, you have to have violence, don't you?

01:25:01.340 They don't, you cannot separate the two.

01:25:03.340 Violence is golden as they say, right?

01:25:07.340 What is, um, what is your favorite book that you've read in the last decade?

01:25:15.340 Uh, money by Rob Moore.

01:25:19.340 Good man.

01:25:22.340 Uh, it's not your book.

01:25:25.340 Yeah.

01:25:26.340 Um, the best book of books are all about where you're at the time.

01:25:34.340 They are.

01:25:35.340 Yeah.

01:25:36.340 The great rich, the great thing I like about having long discussions is the longer you go,

01:25:42.340 the more balanced and accurate and contextual and niche you can become.

01:25:47.340 And you might've noticed that more and more of my answers have become, it depends,

01:25:51.340 and maybe a bit more humble in the response and me letting you know what I don't know,

01:25:55.340 as opposed to just pretending I know everything about everything.

01:25:58.340 So with books, I mean, when I was broke and I read rich dad, poor dad, that was a brilliant book.

01:26:04.340 If I read it now, it would be like reading a child's fricking story.

01:26:07.340 It would be nothing to me cause it would be too basic, but that was the assets and liabilities,

01:26:14.340 the cashflow quadrant entrepreneur versus investor versus employee.

01:26:18.340 That, that was a game changer when I had a terrible money mindset sequence of the millionaire mind

01:26:23.340 by Harv Ecker and, um, think and grow rich by Napoleon Hill.

01:26:28.340 They were amazing books.

01:26:30.340 Now I use Grok and I walk every day and ask you a load of things.

01:26:34.340 I don't know because you know, when you get a book, well, other than my books, of course,

01:26:38.340 which are rich with content.

01:26:40.340 Um, but you get a book and you're like, well, two thirds of that isn't relevant.

01:26:43.340 And I have to wait through 12 hours.

01:26:45.340 Now I just ask Grok anything I want about it, anything.

01:26:48.340 And I could get 12 books consumed in a 90 minute walk.

01:26:53.340 Yeah. It's wild.

01:26:54.340 AI is, is really something I want to, uh, thank you for your time.

01:26:59.340 Try to respect it.

01:27:00.340 Keep it at 90 minutes.

01:27:01.340 Um, where should people go to find you if they want to learn more about Rob Moore?

01:27:05.340 Well, I mean, if you search my name, Rob Moore, you'll find me on all socials, um, ranting

01:27:10.340 usually.

01:27:11.340 Um, if you're of nervous disposition or very left, um, you're either going to hate me or

01:27:16.340 you're going to love to hate me.

01:27:17.340 Um, but if you want to make money and you want to be entrepreneurial and you want to sort

01:27:21.340 your life out, I'm pretty good guy to follow.

01:27:23.340 Probably the best place to start like the hub of which you can then sort of find all

01:27:27.340 the, all the stuff is money school.

01:27:29.340 The link is money dot school.

01:27:31.340 And there's probably now a good few hundred hours of content in there to make manage and

01:27:35.340 multiply money.

01:27:36.340 Um, and all the new stuff about AI, but also, so the more fundamental concepts of, of building

01:27:42.340 wealth and starting a business that are in money school.

01:27:44.340 Great.

01:27:45.340 Thanks for joining me.

01:27:46.340 We'll see you soon.

01:27:47.340 All right, guys.

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Playing to Win - July 24, 2025

PTW 104 Rob Moore

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