postyX - Canadian Nationalist Rountable w⧸ Greg Wycliffe

00:00:00.580 I'm going to talk to myself.

00:00:04.280 Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.

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00:00:11.440 Hey, Taylor.

00:00:13.140 Welcome.

00:00:13.860 I'm just waiting for my team.

00:00:15.640 I'm here flying on my own in a recorded space. 0.99

00:00:20.220 I'm just going to go, let's go, bitches. 1.00

00:00:22.320 Get in here. 0.99

00:00:27.280 All right.

00:00:30.760 Okay.

00:00:31.880 Here we go.

00:00:35.400 Oh, yeah, man.

00:00:39.840 Okay, I got a postie.

00:00:41.780 Do I have a Johnny Rotten?

00:00:43.540 Do I have a Zach?

00:00:45.820 How lucky am I going to be?

00:00:47.360 Or is Zach going to be a listener?

00:00:48.600 Because, uh-oh.

00:00:51.880 It's Johnny Rotten.

00:00:54.360 Oh, there goes the neighborhood.

00:00:56.220 It's Dickhead Says.

00:00:58.240 Yeah, Dickhead Says.

00:00:59.480 I don't know why anybody gives me a mic.

00:01:04.460 Hello, gorgeous.

00:01:05.760 How was your day?

00:01:08.120 It's lazy.

00:01:09.180 Just the way I like it.

00:01:10.240 And that is bringing us to the theme of our show, why we are now being overrun by Jeets is because of Rotten being lazy. 0.92

00:01:22.160 And whatever. 0.93

00:01:22.820 It was a rainy-ass day here.

00:01:24.100 I wasn't doing anything.

00:01:24.860 Yeah, okay.

00:01:29.140 Apparently, it's Good Friday.

00:01:30.720 Like, you know, not all Fridays are good, but I don't know.

00:01:34.940 Any day I get paid to stay home is a Good Friday.

00:01:38.200 Yeah, true.

00:01:39.160 True, right?

00:01:40.180 I guess that's a Better Friday.

00:01:41.760 That's what it should be called, is Better Friday.

00:01:43.820 Because all Fridays are good.

00:01:45.180 Yes, this is true.

00:01:46.360 I've got to petition somebody to change that.

00:01:52.180 Well, it's nice when, you know, Good Friday is kind of overcast intensive.

00:01:56.440 You know, it gives you much to think about.

00:01:59.500 It was a rough day on the Friday.

00:02:01.620 It pushes you to go to church like you're supposed to.

00:02:03.660 Take me to church.

00:02:07.400 I don't know if they'll let me in there.

00:02:11.300 Hey, Fortisax, how's it going, you mad tweeter? 0.96

00:02:15.060 You've been friggin' laying it down. 0.95

00:02:17.100 You've been writing. 0.90

00:02:17.840 I actually thought that you got hacked for a second, Fortisax, because they were coming in, like, every month.

00:02:22.300 And I was like, did Fortisax get hacked?

00:02:24.640 Because this is, like, crazy.

00:02:26.620 No, I was just doing the Trump thing, where he says, like, short phrases in all caps, based on what was being said in the election.

00:02:34.300 I thought it was funny.

00:02:35.200 I was having a little too much fun.

00:02:38.860 No, it was entertaining.

00:02:39.440 Were you tracking the debates?

00:02:44.280 Oh, yeah.

00:02:44.780 I was watching it, like, start to finish.

00:02:49.260 Do you agree Kearney won, and it's not even close?

00:02:52.000 I believe that was one of the headlines.

00:02:53.820 Because Kearney won.

00:02:54.760 Everybody seems to be projecting their own victory and their own spin on it, which is very interesting.

00:03:01.920 There's not a lot of consensus on Twitter or anywhere else that seems to suggest that Kearney won.

00:03:07.840 I don't think Kearney won.

00:03:09.020 I think nobody won.

00:03:10.280 I think that he held his own pretty much like everyone else did.

00:03:13.780 What I would say is that there is consensus on two things, which is that, one, they were surprised with Blanchette.

00:03:20.800 And, two, everybody hates Jagmeet Singh.

00:03:23.820 If you were looking at conservative feeds, if you were looking at liberal feeds, if you were looking at, Christ, even Green Party feeds, anywhere on X or elsewhere, they were like, man, Jagmeet is insufferable.

00:03:34.380 I'm not enjoying this.

00:03:35.520 I'm just not enjoying listening to this person yap like a chihuahua and interrupt everybody.

00:03:41.200 Hey, Daniel.

00:03:47.960 How did you, did you enjoy the elections?

00:03:52.080 Did you watch her?

00:03:53.200 Well, you clipped a lot of clips.

00:03:55.200 He did.

00:03:55.660 Yeah, I watched.

00:04:01.200 They were leaders' debates.

00:04:02.520 I thought it was nothing special.

00:04:03.500 Like, I agree with what Fortisax was saying.

00:04:09.880 I mean, this is what happens every year.

00:04:12.560 Everyone always says Blanchette stood out.

00:04:14.860 And I'm pretty sure it's because no one has any expectations for him and no one can vote for him anyways.

00:04:19.700 So, like, any performance is deemed good.

00:04:22.580 I didn't really think he stood out in any way.

00:04:25.760 He is always snide and sarcastic and has literally nothing to lose or gain, especially from the English debate.

00:04:33.320 So, he can do whatever he wants.

00:04:37.300 People are always looking for that kind of kill shot, knockout moment.

00:04:41.420 But they only happen in a small fraction of debates.

00:04:45.100 And I don't think we saw any particularly special moments last night.

00:04:49.780 I don't think they're going to make a big influence on the general campaign.

00:04:55.740 But, you know, I always find them somewhat entertaining.

00:04:59.320 I think you're right.

00:05:00.480 I think that everybody's minds are set now.

00:05:02.600 Like, I don't think any kind of debate is going to shift anyone from whatever position they had already chosen.

00:05:08.020 The one kind of wild card I'd say is, like, the timing is interesting.

00:05:13.600 Going into the long weekend, there'll be lots of family gatherings and stuff over the next few days.

00:05:20.820 Church visits and all these things.

00:05:26.300 And, you know, there's a bit to talk about.

00:05:30.300 So, that's a bit of a wild card.

00:05:33.820 It's hard to anticipate how those conversations might change things up.

00:05:38.480 Like, one thing that I thought was interesting was they followed up the debates with Pierre announced earlier today a change in policy on, like, single-use plastics.

00:05:50.280 Like, bringing back plastic straws and stuff.

00:05:54.360 And this sounds like a silly kind of thing to be bringing up.

00:05:57.640 But, like, when you factor in that, like, so many normies will be gathering at Easter dinners and stuff over the weekend.

00:06:04.640 Like, it's a kind of safe, normie-friendly policy that's good to, like, open conversations with less political people. 0.99

00:06:14.800 Like, that Pierre guy, he wants to bring back the fucking plastic straws. 1.00

00:06:17.880 I fucking hate those paper straws. 1.00

00:06:20.560 I was going to say, I think everybody will be on board with the plastic because, fuck, nobody likes paper straws. 1.00

00:06:25.540 I'll tell you right now, I would fucking use a paper straw the rest of my fucking life just to get mass deportations. 0.99

00:06:35.560 You guys use paper straws? 0.99

00:06:37.260 I still carry plastic straws around me.

00:06:39.440 I buy them at the dollar store.

00:06:41.080 And I still use them. 0.98

00:06:43.400 To be honest, I don't use a straw because I don't suck. 0.93

00:06:46.540 It looks like I'm the odd one out on this. 0.88

00:06:50.560 I don't, look, I'm ambivalent about it.

00:06:52.480 I would like to avoid as many microplastics in my bloodstream as possible.

00:06:57.180 So, on this issue, I tend to lean towards, yeah, I don't really care. 0.72

00:07:02.700 Yes, plastics, sorry, the paper straws are garbage.

00:07:05.700 But there's got to be some kind of alternative, I think, that everybody can get around.

00:07:10.140 My point is simply regardless where you stand on it, it's just kind of an easy issue to start conversations on politics.

00:07:17.560 Who knows where they go from that around the dinner table and stuff like that.

00:07:21.260 Well, I mean, it started a conversation right now.

00:07:24.000 So, you're absolutely right, yeah.

00:07:26.060 So, I thought that was a bit of an interesting play.

00:07:30.940 But, yeah, no, I thought it was underwhelming.

00:07:33.500 And I thought it was kind of overshadowed by the general incompetence of the Debates Commission

00:07:37.920 and the controversy surrounding Rebel and True North and the alt media there.

00:07:43.900 I thought that was honestly a more interesting and exciting story the last few days than the debates themselves.

00:07:51.260 Oh, Greg's here.

00:07:59.600 He's in the house.

00:08:00.860 I think he was running.

00:08:04.680 So, he's just listening now to see if we're cool enough for him to come up, even though his name is in the Jumbotron.

00:08:12.120 His name is in lights.

00:08:13.000 Party place on Friday, come on.

00:08:14.200 Come chat with us.

00:08:18.660 So, okay.

00:08:21.780 All right.

00:08:23.240 He's in the house.

00:08:24.280 Hey, Greg.

00:08:25.480 Mr. Wycliffe.

00:08:27.140 Hey.

00:08:28.120 Yo.

00:08:28.500 Thank you for being here.

00:08:30.660 Yeah.

00:08:31.180 I'm definitely not an expert on the World Seek Organization, but I know a little bit about it.

00:08:36.640 But I'll just jump off of what Daniel was just talking about, which is, yeah, I totally agree in that this whole debacle

00:08:48.120 and there being a lack of a media scrum after a federal election on TV is definitely, I mean, it's a big story in terms of when you get into the weeds, 0.95

00:09:00.880 but it just connects to a frustration I have with Canada in general, which is like Canadians of all political stripes should be totally outraged that the media can't do their fucking job to ask questions of politicians during an election cycle.

00:09:19.420 That's literally, like, you know, I used to joke that I went to university to get into, like, useless conversations and I got a college degree to get a job.

00:09:30.040 But what I learned in university was, like, media studies and there was this whole spiel about how mass media is crucial and fundamental to facilitate an actual democracy

00:09:44.120 because mass media facilitates an open conversation within the public sphere with, you know, different combating ideas and then only through that public sphere conversation can we, you know, decide who we want to vote for.

00:09:57.840 So, you know, of course, and when I got involved in politics was in 2018 when they officially subsidize all media with government funding, you know, even the CTVs of the world, even the National Posts and the whatevers of the world get funding from the Canadian government.

00:10:15.920 That's something that's something that only happens in, like, you know, China, Russia, like places we see as, like, unfree or undemocratic.

00:10:22.180 But anyway, this is, like, just another grave example of that where, you know, during an election cycle, we don't get to dig deeper and, you know, ask questions to our potential leaders.

00:10:35.840 And, of course, the media is going to, like, probably going to, I don't know what, I don't even watch the mainstream media often, so I don't really know what they're saying about it.

00:10:43.680 But people should be totally outraged of all political stripes for the fact that, you know, that the media is just failing to do their job to uphold my democracy.

00:10:53.060 I think, yeah, I think it's hilarious that these politicians talk about our democracy and how, you know, certain factions outside of the government are a threat to democracy.

00:11:03.560 Meanwhile, they're patrolling what the mainstream media is allowed to talk about.

00:11:09.760 It's, I don't know, Banana Republic. We live in a Banana Republic.

00:11:13.160 Yeah, I subjected myself to CBC's pre-show coverage before the debate yesterday.

00:11:18.940 Me too.

00:11:19.600 It was pretty hilarious. Like, half of it was them seething about how Rebel ruined the scrums yesterday and how they had the temerity to ask questions outside of their boundaries.

00:11:32.840 And, like, but, like, simultaneously, they were, first of all, they were lumping all the fucking alt media into just Rebel.

00:11:41.600 They were like, Rebel got so many questions when, in actuality, it was like, Juno got some questions and True North got some questions and Rebel got some questions.

00:11:49.600 They were, they weren't, they weren't all one entity.

00:11:52.720 And then they were also slamming Ezra because he has his, like, third-party advertiser for Canada, which they were also lumping into as all just Rebel.

00:12:03.820 So, like, they spent all this time just whining about how Rebel ruined everything by asking questions that they thought were inappropriate while literally doing a bunch of false reporting at the same time.

00:12:17.860 They also had reported that Ezra had had his credentials revoked and he was kicked out and that he had tried to disrupt them while they were on air and all this stuff that just turned out to be false.

00:12:29.300 And, like, they're doing all of this instead of just talking about the debates in, like, the 30 minutes leading up to, you know, one of the most important moments of the election.

00:12:41.800 It was just, it was very bizarre.

00:12:44.420 Like, they cannot comprehend that the only reason that Rebel and the alt-media exists is because CBC is, and all the mainstream media, is so monolithic and slanted and incompetent that it leaves opportunities for these independent bodies that are willing to do the work that the mainstream media just isn't able to do.

00:13:08.840 But they, like, can't even comprehend this, and all they could do was whine and seethe instead of actually focusing on covering the election.

00:13:17.400 It was really, it was really bizarre, but pretty hilarious, to be honest.

00:13:21.420 Yeah, this whole situation reminds me of something that Tyler Russell once said.

00:13:27.160 Tyler Russell did Canada first back in the day here in Canada.

00:13:29.880 He's now part of America first. 0.91

00:13:31.300 He's fleed to America.

00:13:32.320 But after the whole Pebbles incident, when, you know, someone pitched some rocks at Justin Trudeau, he said, like, dude, this proves how controlled Canadian politics is.

00:13:47.780 Like, any little thing that deviates from the norm or sort of threatens, like, the mainstream narrative or, like, permeates or disrupts, you know, ruffles the feathers of the status quo, they're on it right away.

00:14:01.720 They're trying to put a lid on it.

00:14:03.080 They're trying to control how you can think about it.

00:14:05.420 And this is just another great example of that.

00:14:07.280 Literally having, you know, journalists who think differently from CBC is a crisis.

00:14:13.260 And it is such a joke because it's very true, the criticisms towards Rebel News of, like, hey, like, aren't you just, don't you just have the same donors as the Conservative Party?

00:14:24.920 Like, you know, aren't you a partisan group?

00:14:26.780 Absolutely.

00:14:27.620 But the fact that it's coming from a journalist who receives my taxpayer dollars, like, that part is crazy.

00:14:35.040 It's like, there's no way, like, you guys have no high ground to stand on to criticize Rebel News that way.

00:14:43.260 But, yeah, so, like, that just, like, fired me up.

00:14:46.420 It's like, hey, if there's anyone who's going to be criticizing Rebel News, it's me, not you, CBC journalist.

00:14:51.200 Are you kidding me?

00:14:51.980 Like, you guys are more guilty than anyone.

00:14:55.380 I think a lot of that, too, though, is that they understand that those who are going to seek out their coverage want to hear something specific, right?

00:15:04.460 Like, they're just, they just want cheerleaders. 0.94

00:15:08.620 So, as long as they keep doing that, they keep getting their views.

00:15:11.700 Are you talking about CBC or Rebel?

00:15:15.500 CBC.

00:15:16.240 Well, I mean, I think Rebel in a way, too, but more so mainstream outlets, right?

00:15:22.360 Like, they understand that the people that are tuning in to CBC News are not going to have right-wing views.

00:15:29.020 You know what I mean?

00:15:29.700 Like, people are seeking out whatever it is that is going to further them in their bias.

00:15:35.900 But they also just feel like they're stuck up and self-interested, and they feel like their ivory towers have been intruded by the peasants that have broken in and are talking about things that are verboten. 0.90

00:15:51.720 Like, it's just ridiculous.

00:15:54.440 Like, they don't, they, anything outside of their narrow Overton window is unacceptable. 0.62

00:16:01.680 The only things that these leaders can be asked is we have to ask Mark Carney for the thousandth time what's going on with his blind trust.

00:16:08.860 And we have to ask Pierre Polyev for the thousandth time about his security clearance.

00:16:14.940 And if you're, you can't bring up issues outside of what's directly been talked about.

00:16:21.420 And there's only a few things that have been talked about because we have a very controlled media environment.

00:16:25.860 And how dare you talk about gender ideology or something like that?

00:16:29.960 That's not part of the election.

00:16:31.460 Well, no, duh, it's no part of the election.

00:16:33.300 You guys narrowly control what is talked about.

00:16:36.720 And there's only this one opportunity because our courts have mandated that they're included for these election debates over the last few cycles.

00:16:47.980 So, go ahead.

00:16:52.280 We've become so accustomed to this, too, like, you know, Canadian normies have.

00:16:59.100 And, you know, what we're describing isn't a democratic process or an open conversation.

00:17:05.400 You know, the mainstream media, CBC and the ones funded by the government, they dictate the guardrails of the conversation.

00:17:13.020 Just as you were saying, Daniel, I'm like, OK, these are the topics we can talk about.

00:17:16.860 We can talk to Carney about what assets he owns.

00:17:20.260 We can talk to Polyev about his security clearance.

00:17:23.820 Those are the only topics.

00:17:24.900 And it's almost like we already live under a type of, you know, politically correct sort of fascism.

00:17:33.600 And so many people have accepted it.

00:17:35.520 It's like, OK, well, we've accepted that certain topics are not allowed to be talked about.

00:17:39.700 You know, the CBC does that.

00:17:40.900 And then it translates in this weird way into the social world as well, into social life, into conversations, private and public conversations you'll have with, like, friends, family, co-workers, where it's like, oh, well, you know, we're not allowed to talk about those things.

00:17:54.740 And it's, you know, people like to point fingers all over the place in terms of what's wrong with this country.

00:18:03.180 But I do think the lion's share of the blame generally can go on the failure of our media institution, you know, like because it prevents a conversation.

00:18:13.520 It prevents people from even thinking clearly or more deeply or even of certain topics.

00:18:19.960 And it translates to an ignorant populace who doesn't even, you know, doesn't even touch certain topics whatsoever. 0.74

00:18:32.620 But, yeah. 1.00

00:18:34.100 Yeah, I hate having to come to the defense of Rebel News because I prefer to make fun of them and call them out for all their bullshit. 1.00

00:18:40.900 But, like, the mainstream is just being so absurd. 0.99

00:18:45.000 You have to step to their defense.

00:18:47.260 You'd honestly think that the CPC would be leveraging their position high as they are with the pull that they have to be trying to break through that and talk about issues that actually are pertinent to their base, which they ignore and have ignored for the last three to four years.

00:19:04.660 So it's almost very strange because there's nobody else in a position to do that except for them.

00:19:09.380 And yet they still capitulate to it, which makes you wonder, why are they doing that?

00:19:13.920 If the CPC is nominally independent from the Liberal Party apparatus out east, then what is holding them back from doing so?

00:19:23.520 A party that big would not be able to be confined solely by the media's controlled environments.

00:19:28.240 They would probably dent it.

00:19:29.460 They would, you know, prevent the voices from being heard.

00:19:32.700 But there's no way with that amount of influence that they could keep the lid on it forever or even really efficiently.

00:19:38.440 So I don't know if the question remains, why?

00:19:40.120 Yeah. And this reminds me of a, you know, phenomena or sort of sort of irritating trend that's been happening for years now with the poly conservative party, which is the poly conservative party is not leading the charge on conservatism, like not even by a long shot.

00:19:59.720 You know, they're, they're very much participating in this controlled conversation with the CBC of like, what, what's the safe talking points?

00:20:06.740 Sure. On maybe like cutaways when they're at a rally, maybe they'll go off the script a little bit, but never, ever at a podium in the House of Commons at a press conference, will you really see them go in and like push any sort of conservative values?

00:20:21.240 And the point I'm getting at here is why is it, why is it the more right wing influencers who are talking about the more provocative stuff?

00:20:32.960 Like, I hate to say it, but even like the pleb or somebody or, you know, Canada, they constantly carry water with these talking points that conservatives feel, but the conservative party will never even talk about. 0.98

00:20:44.660 And then back to this scenario, it's like, once again, Polyev does not go, people like to like believe, oh, he ate an apple once and asked a couple of tough questions to a journalist and made him look stupid. 0.91

00:20:55.980 Oh, he's so tough against the media. He really is not. And here we have, you know, people like Rebel News or these like right wing outlets being the ones leading the charge against the media. 0.95

00:21:06.040 This is, this is just sort of, you know, supports my whole thesis. If you've listened to my content of like the cowardice of the conservative party, like if they truly wanted to change the country, if they truly wanted to change the conversation, if they truly wanted to be conservative and all of these things, they would put their balls on the table and they would go outside of the guardrails of the safe CBC conversation and they would start the conflict.

00:21:30.180 Like they would be antagonizing the media on a daily basis, but we don't have that. Instead, we have people like Ezra Levant or whatever, these different influencers, you know, kind of trying to chip it, chip away at it.

00:21:42.200 And the problem is, is that because people might say, oh, it's too risky for Polyev to do that. No, that's totally not the case.

00:21:48.700 And plus he has the bigger microphone. He's the bigger microphone. Polyev has the ability to do way, way, way, way, way more damage when he's at the podium, when people, when the mainstream media is listening to him, but he doesn't do it.

00:22:02.120 So now we're in the situation where, you know, the right wing influencers are the ones like trying to, uh, you know, fight against the mainstream media.

00:22:10.900 And, you know, we don't really gain that much ground, uh, relying on that.

00:22:15.240 To me, it seems mutually beneficial though. Right. Like Pierre doesn't antagonize the media and the media really doesn't antagonize him either. Right. Like I, I kind of saw this at a, at a, on a smaller level, of course, like I worked local radio and I, in my years there, I always wondered why the fuck don't we ask our mayor hardball questions.

00:22:34.700 And then it clicked that we don't ask them hardball questions because we want them to come on the air. And so that there are people listening. 0.84

00:22:42.660 And I kind of feel that it's, it's a mutually beneficial situation that way, because, you know, Pierre's not going to get any hardball questions. And as long as he's not being too, I guess, out of that controlled, uh, topic.

00:22:57.700 But don't, I mean, like the media swings at him hard on a daily basis anyway. Like if you ask your average leftist in this country, what they think Polly believes in, they're going to tell you, uh, he's going to take away women's right to vote. He's going to round up and deport 5 million minorities. He's going to do all of these insane things.

00:23:18.480 I don't even think it's not, it's not that radical. Like people don't like Pollyev because they don't like Pollyev. Like they don't like him because they don't like his vibe. I don't think I've talked to anyone that thinks he's like, wants to deport 5 million people or anything insane like this. They just don't like him on a personal level, especially women. They get the ick from him. Like that's just like, it's, it's totally personal. Not the media is not that mean to him.

00:23:44.160 Like, uh, in what I've watched over this election cycle, they've been a bit dishonest in that they always bring up that he's like abrasive and aggressive and stuff. And that he's only recently done this pivot to be softer and nicer. Like starting last Sunday when he appeared on to them on paro. And like, this just isn't true. Like he's, as soon as he won the CPC leadership, he started pivoting.

00:24:10.080 And he got rid of the glasses and they did his big makeover and he started talking way slower and they, they dressed him up in tighter t-shirts and all this stupid bullshit. 0.99

00:24:23.260 It's been going on for two years, this pivot to anyone that's been paying attention. But literally the CBC is like, it just started last Sunday. We'll have to wait and see if it, if it comes into effect fast enough. It's like, it's completely disingenuous. 0.99

00:24:38.080 But like, that's how I've seen them be unfair to him. They don't try and misrepresent his opinions. They, they, they're not even that hard on hit. They don't even give particularly hard questions or at least they vet out any of the hard questions they don't want to answer.

00:24:54.620 Um, they're just pretty, uh, dishonest when it comes to, to their general strategy, but then to broaden it back to, to the, these quote unquote right-wing influencers in the right-wing media, uh, I want to say that they're not, none of them are very principled.

00:25:10.620 It's not about changing and challenging the system or anything like this. Like they're very much slaves to their basic incentive structures.

00:25:19.960 Cat Canada and the pleb are slaves to the algorithm. They'll do and say what is, whatever is popular to get their Elon bucks and their YouTube dollars. Uh, they're optimized their, their language and their, their, uh, thumbnails and all this stuff. 0.96

00:25:40.660 Uh, to capitalize on the significant portion of the population that is, you know, like Pierre Paul, he has supported the 30 to 40% of the population that lean that way.

00:25:55.560 They're not interested in challenging the system. They're interested in profiting off of it. And it's the exact same for rebel and Juno and true North. Uh, they, they weren't at the, the, the debates to embarrass the media or anything.

00:26:09.560 Like they're at the debates because they want to get a viral clip to drive people to their website. So they sign up for their email list and they click on their links. So they, so the algorithm benefits them. And so that they're on their email list so they can ask them for money and all this sort of stuff. Like they're not, they, they're not sitting around trying to figure out what's the best thing we can do to help the Canadian nation. Like, no, they're like, what is, what, what is a simple, how many genders are there?

00:26:38.740 Like, like, like moving the fucking ball forward in any way, but that clip did really well online. And I'm sure a lot of people learned that Juno news is a thing because it's only been a thing for two, two months. Uh, but this is what drives them, right? It's their bottom line. It's their profit.

00:26:56.120 They're not interested in shaking up the conversation or, or, or doing anything principled, like ensuring, uh, the nation of Canada exists past the next 10, 15 years. They just want to make money on the sinking fucking Titanic. 0.99

00:27:11.120 I think the underlying issue with this mainstream media and alternative media, uh, problem, uh, confronting politicians or asking them questions relies solely on the people like, like ambush journalism. I think Mark Friesen did a good job with Pierre Polyev confronting him at one of his rallies. Rob Primo also did the same thing. We have to confront these politicians with a camera in your hand. 0.99

00:27:38.000 Um, but yeah, I think it's, it's, it's up to us to confront these politicians, nevermind these alt right quote unquote, uh, journalists who are pretending to be the alternative media for clicks.

00:27:53.560 And it relies on us. We've proved time and time again, that we can go just as viral as a mainstream media clip. So, um, I suggest people get out there with cameras, start confronting politicians with your tough questions and make them, make them answer them.

00:28:06.540 Yeah.

00:28:07.140 It's interesting. You mentioned that it really is the bright partification of, of media of the old media.

00:28:14.020 Um, first of all, Daniel, how dare you bad mouth my favorite content creators, the pleb and cat Canada. Unbelievable. 1.00

00:28:20.080 Bro, he followed me this week. It's very exciting.

00:28:24.160 Oh my God.

00:28:24.380 Daniel was quite pleased about that.

00:28:26.640 But, but I think, uh, we touched on one of the reasons why CBC and the mainstream swamp creature journalists got so upset, which is on social media, their questions and the responses, namely the Jagmeet Singh one where the, the black chick from rebel asked Jagmeet Singh a good question.

00:28:43.520 He refused to answer. And then the other one asking Kearney about how many genders are there. They got the viral clicks. Like those, those clips, I would guess probably went more viral than any of the election debate clips.

00:28:55.940 So that's probably why they got canceled. Uh, you know, the next day they're like these, these, uh, these alternative people, these right-wing people are stealing the show here. Let's, let's shut it down.

00:29:05.580 Oy vey. But I do think I want to touch on something Daniel said, because I think it is a little bit more nefarious than that.

00:29:11.340 I think you're right. They are looking for clicks. They are looking for clicks, but, um, in the same way that Pierre Polyev, I call it like leaving breadcrumbs.

00:29:20.820 Like Polyev will, will leave breadcrumbs for nationalists. Like in his Canada first speech, he mentioned, uh, Sir John A. Macdonald and how I care so much about Sir John A. Macdonald in the next breath.

00:29:32.100 It doesn't matter if your name is Martin or Mohammed, Polyev or Patel. But anyway, he talks about Sir John A. Macdonald to placate, to like throw red meat to real conservatives.

00:29:42.520 And I think that the more nefarious part of some of these right-wing influencers is they do the same thing.

00:29:48.460 They're like a pressure release valve where people might sit, criticize the war in Ukraine.

00:29:52.800 And it's like, Hey, you know, right-wing content creator X, uh, talked about opposing the Ukraine war.

00:30:00.400 And he also supports Polyev. So I like Poly. And it's like, well, Polyev does not even oppose the Ukraine war.

00:30:06.120 So like, what are you talking about? But, you know, these different influencers do that.

00:30:10.140 And you'll see the same thing in the States where a lot of the mag of movement, because like, you know, Jewish power is like a part of the Overton window conversation now. 0.66

00:30:19.840 And you'll see a lot of, you know, GOP, you'll see a lot of people who are in the right-wing sphere kind of putting on sort of like further right sort of talking points and memes to be like, Hey guys, we're just like you.

00:30:32.740 Like, yeah, we support mass deportations. Pay no attention to the fact that we're not deporting the amount of people that, uh, Trump said he would like before getting elected, pay no attention to that.

00:30:41.700 But yeah, we're going to keep placating you. We're going to keep throwing you breadcrumbs and bread meat to make bread meat, uh, to make it look like we're, uh, we're serving you.

00:30:49.220 And that's the same thing is happening here in Canada where a lot of these right-wing influencers are like, you know, talking about, Hey, how many genders are there?

00:30:56.580 And it's like Polly Eve will not like, he's has hardly ever had any courage at all.

00:31:01.660 And speaking about that topic along with immigration.

00:31:04.200 And, uh, so they kind of helped prop this guy up by being like a pressure release valve and, and sort of alluding to like real conservative talking points.

00:31:12.640 And it helps frustrated Canadians who actually are conservative.

00:31:15.660 It helps them sit on the couch and helps them feel like their voice is being heard.

00:31:19.220 And that Polly Eve is our guy when, uh, really it's, you know, it's, it's almost just kind of excusing or obfuscating his cowardice.

00:31:27.360 Well, there's, there's definitely a lot of cowardice.

00:31:33.000 I mean, to bring it back to kind of the topic of the space, look at the Tim Upple thing, right?

00:31:37.560 Like nobody, nobody talks about that except for Mocha.

00:31:41.820 Yeah.

00:31:42.460 And that's actually crazy.

00:31:45.000 That's a, that's interesting.

00:31:46.140 You pointed that out.

00:31:46.800 Cause I didn't even, yeah, good point.

00:31:48.640 Good point.

00:31:49.100 I just realized that now.

00:31:50.300 Yeah.

00:31:50.940 Cause I'm going back to where we're talking about how, you know, like CBC and mainstream media really don't antagonize Pierre.

00:31:57.380 I mean, what that, that'd be like serving him up on a silver platter if they really wanted to bring him down, but they ignore it.

00:32:04.940 And of course, people like cat Canada and pleb, the dog deck sucker are going to ignore it because if they start talking about it, then they're no longer cheerleading and their supporters don't like them. 0.90

00:32:15.700 Guys, come on. 0.92

00:32:16.560 I'm not going to stand for any of this pleb slander. 1.00

00:32:18.660 Okay.

00:32:18.900 He, he, he's, he's a guy, he's a guy of great integrity.

00:32:22.120 He has some of the most cutting edge, hard hitting political takes I've ever seen.

00:32:27.220 Have you seen his content?

00:32:27.960 He has no edges, bro.

00:32:28.500 He's completely round.

00:32:29.840 He's a teaming model.

00:32:32.020 But what we're, but like, it's a Michelin man.

00:32:35.760 It's a house of cards though.

00:32:37.280 And this is why, uh, Polyev is participating in the safe conversation on the CBC.

00:32:43.500 You know, it's funny how the foreign interference, 1.00

00:32:47.220 the fact that there's 11 traders, potentially treasonous people in the house of commons.

00:32:52.860 It's funny how that does not get brought up anymore.

00:32:55.840 And it probably touches every single major political party.

00:32:59.640 So it kind of makes sense why they wouldn't want to bring it up anymore.

00:33:02.700 You know, and it makes sense why they would want to keep Canadians on this safe CBC plantation in terms of what topics we're allowed to talk about.

00:33:10.480 Oh, can't talk about that.

00:33:12.160 That's too controversial.

00:33:13.460 Because the second we start to open our minds, the second we start to, you know, be encourage the Canadian public to be more critical thinkers,

00:33:20.800 then we start to ask more questions.

00:33:23.520 And, uh, you know, nobody is, has any moral high ground.

00:33:27.660 Nobody in the house of commons is righteous and correct here.

00:33:31.240 Probably all of them are connected to some sort of crime syndicate in one way or another.

00:33:37.580 And, uh, you know, how, how can you condemn somebody?

00:33:40.660 It would just be a, you know, it's a total mess where they're all complicit.

00:33:45.040 Um, and I'm not saying that cause I like know this necessarily for a fact,

00:33:48.980 but it certainly makes sense as to why they wouldn't want to actually have a deeper or more, uh, substantial conversation.

00:33:55.960 But at the same time, you know, we were kind of not glazing, but we were, uh, appreciating how rebel news and these right-wing outlets are disrupting the status quo.

00:34:05.300 But at the same time, like you just said, Rotten, like how many people are actually talking about the fact that there is clear evidence of foreign interference within the conservative party with the world Sikh organization.

00:34:17.020 You know, the, the one guy, I don't remember his name, but, um, he's wearing a turban.

00:34:22.220 He used to be a gangster and he's one of the top Sikh guys under Pierre Polyev. 0.99

00:34:26.980 And then Tim Uppel, whose brother was charged with cocaine trafficking.

00:34:31.140 And there's another 20 minute video you can watch on Mocha's, uh, YouTube channel and his ex about this.

00:34:37.820 But it's like, this, this isn't like rumors.

00:34:40.440 This isn't a conspiracy theory.

00:34:42.260 Like this is corruption coming from a foreign place, foreign people prioritizing foreign people, uh, their own people, not Canadians. 0.85

00:34:51.080 And, uh, you know, rebel news, true North Juno doesn't want to touch it either.

00:34:55.160 Um, so yeah, it's like, uh, there's, there's, there's like, it's a, it's a controlled conversation, obviously on CBC and on the election stage.

00:35:06.620 And even with kind of rebel news disrupting stuff, even that is only so, uh, it feels good to see it.

00:35:14.440 Cause it's like, Oh, something's happening.

00:35:15.580 Oh my God.

00:35:16.080 Like we're applying some pressure, but it is still so, so, so far away from the actual truth.

00:35:22.400 So, so far away from any pertinent issues.

00:35:25.360 And, um, yeah, it's, it's great.

00:35:28.600 Cause I think more people are, are waking up to that.

00:35:31.520 Did immigration even come up in the English debate?

00:35:35.200 Yes.

00:35:36.120 Blanchette forced everyone else's hand. 0.91

00:35:38.620 Blanchette forced it a couple of times.

00:35:40.440 And they asked Jagmeet a question about it at the very, very end.

00:35:43.920 I, I clipped it and posted it.

00:35:45.700 You can find it on my, on my profile, but it's pretty hilarious that they, the only direct question asked by the moderator to any of the candidates was asked to, to Jagmeet Singh, the, the obviously least Canadian person on the stage.

00:35:58.820 They asked, and he responded that, uh, immigration is, is fundamental to the Canadian identity.

00:36:06.980 Perfect.

00:36:07.620 Of course he did.

00:36:08.220 He was asking the foreign interference about the foreign interference.

00:36:13.100 Um, yeah.

00:36:14.480 And I guess like, this is why Greg, I mean, I'm glad we're talking about the election stuff.

00:36:19.060 I kind of changed the title of the space a bit around.

00:36:22.280 Um, I wanted to talk with you about your interviews with MoCA, um, Bezergan.

00:36:28.000 Um, because I, I've been trying to interview him myself, but he's just been doing this powerful, consistent work, um, with his colleague, Bob.

00:36:40.200 And, um, they, they've got all the names, they've mapped it out.

00:36:44.640 They've got these graphs.

00:36:45.960 And I'm just sort of wondering, is there any part of, you know, when we have Indian representatives in, um, federal parliament, like, do any of them not have criminal affiliations?

00:37:00.960 It's almost like we need to start there because it's everyone's husband, brother, wife.

00:37:05.860 I think Tim Mupal's wife, was she not on the board of directors with the World Sikh Organization?

00:37:11.240 I think he mentioned that.

00:37:12.620 And it goes back to, um, Harjit.

00:37:15.680 Harjit Sajan.

00:37:17.320 Sajan.

00:37:17.840 Um, you know, his corruption and, and we were talking about the, uh, he prioritized, you know, Indians and Sikhs for, um, retrieval.

00:37:27.800 In Afghanistan.

00:37:28.720 In Afghanistan, that's right.

00:37:31.520 So.

00:37:32.500 Yeah, so.

00:37:33.120 I'm almost starting from the place of, like, guilty until proven innocent at this point.

00:37:37.780 Well, yeah, and, um, I mean, there's, so there's a lot you brought up there, but, uh, first and foremost, in his, um, you know, it's a deep rabbit hole.

00:37:50.060 I haven't even watched all of Mocha's content on this topic.

00:37:53.540 There's a lot.

00:37:54.700 Sometimes it's, uh, a mayor in Alberta.

00:37:57.500 Other times it's a, uh, a conservative party, uh, member of parliament who's a deputy leader.

00:38:04.060 And there's the criminal aspect, of course, which is concerning, but I think that just from a, I almost want to look at it through, like, a treason lens, right?

00:38:14.260 Like, a treason is when somebody, like, willfully, um, does something as an elected official that, um, may harm or hurt the Canadian people or, like, benefit foreign people, um, like, from a foreign country.

00:38:30.420 And the World Seek Organization on their website says, like, we, we're here to benefit Seeks, is pretty much what they say.

00:38:38.140 Seeks here, Seeks in Canada, we're here to help Seek people.

00:38:41.780 Note how Seek people are not Canadian people.

00:38:44.740 They may be in Canada, but when they say benefiting Seek people in Canada, that's not me or you, that's Seek people in Canada.

00:38:51.180 And the thing is, this is just one group.

00:38:53.640 Like, this is just one syndicate.

00:38:55.920 This is just one World Seek Organization.

00:38:57.640 There's also, um, I don't know, I guess it's, it has a different name, but there's the World Jewish Congress.

00:39:04.320 That's in America.

00:39:05.280 They have a headquarters, uh, in New York.

00:39:07.660 And their, their website very much says the same thing.

00:39:09.820 We're here to benefit Jews.

00:39:11.340 We're here to benefit the interests of Jewish people.

00:39:13.720 Notice how that is not American people.

00:39:15.960 Side note, even saying that is anti-Semitic under the, you know, International Holocaust Remembrance Association's definition of anti-Semitism.

00:39:26.020 They're trying to push anti-Semitism laws in the States and here, more aggressively in the States, unfortunately.

00:39:31.240 What the point is, is even saying what it says on the World Jewish Congress's website, which is headquartered in New York, in, uh, America, even, like, saying that, hey, I think these people are here to benefit their own people and not Americans.

00:39:44.960 That's anti-Semitic.

00:39:46.880 But anyway, um, the point I'm driving at is that, like, this is not a conspiracy, you know?

00:39:52.820 This is not a conspiracy.

00:39:54.080 These groups are operating to benefit their own people.

00:39:57.120 They are lobbying politicians.

00:39:59.120 They are politicians.

00:40:00.140 And back to the World Sikh Organization, you have two mayors in Alberta, you have Jagmeet Singh, you have, uh, two, uh, conservative MPs.

00:40:10.600 And I think you have, like, two or three liberal MPs, um, you know, all fighting for Sikhs, all fighting for the benefits of Sikhs.

00:40:20.020 Um, and, of course, their defense will be, well, hey, just because I have associations with this group doesn't mean that I am, you know, strategically making decisions to just help seek people, um, at the sort of detriment of Canadian people.

00:40:33.520 But, uh, as a Canadian person, or as, you know, the Canadian people should be concerned about this and on top of this.

00:40:39.680 And a great place to start, again, is to plug, uh, Mocha's work, because, like, it's, I, I don't want to speak on some of the details of the potentially criminal stuff, like mortgage fraud.

00:40:51.500 And another one that's crazy is, uh, what's, what's the, what's the mayor's name again?

00:40:57.580 Not the woman, but the, the dude, and I think it's the Edmonton mayor.

00:41:01.820 But, um, that story is, and he's a liberal candidate.

00:41:06.540 He's a previous MP, and he's running again for Merck Carney.

00:41:10.500 Right.

00:41:11.240 Like, the stuff that Mocha has on him is, is, uh, fascinating.

00:41:14.700 And if I'm not mistaken, there's, like, an ongoing sort of, like, litigation between the two.

00:41:19.200 Like, they're trying to say that, uh, Mocha is participating in defamation just for, like, you know, sharing facts about, uh, something along the lines of, like,

00:41:28.180 basically, it sounds like, allegedly or potentially, like, siphoning money, taxpayer money, away from, like, large construction projects with, like, you know, small little transactions where it's, like, okay, we're going to buy, we're going to buy a whole bunch of gravel. 0.83

00:41:44.240 And then, like, you know, the money disappearing or the gravel being sold back and all sorts of weird shit.

00:41:50.440 But, um, you know, this is what investigative journalists are supposed to do, right? 0.54

00:41:54.640 Like, this is what the, this is what the, um, establishment media, this is what the media is supposed to do in a free democratic country.

00:42:01.260 And we literally just have Mocha, Mocha Bezergan, this guy from Turkey, who's the only investigative journalist in the country.

00:42:10.260 I mean, there's a handful of others, of course, like you were saying, Lee, like, we can try to do it ourselves.

00:42:15.280 Um, but yeah, like, there's, there's a lot of...

00:42:17.680 Mocha don't believe rebel news to do actual journalism instead of just outrage-based facts.

00:42:23.620 Well, if you compare him to the, the guy who had that outburst from the Hilltimes, who is reeing on Kean Beck's D, Andrea Humphreys and stuff yesterday, compared to the steely nerve of Mocha, right?

00:42:37.880 Who's had, I'm sure, very authentic death threats in his DMs and, you know, scary cars driving by his home, you know, I'm no doubt that, um, Mocha is confronting, um, the perils of being close to that razor's edge compared to that Hilltimes guy who was, like, having a tantrum and ripping his teddy bear apart.

00:42:59.320 Well, and, and, and I'm glad you brought that up because, like, let's look at that juxtaposition.

00:43:04.200 We have Mocha, a real investigative journalist, who is trying to expose criminal behavior and moral wrongdoings of our elected officials, and then we have someone from the Hilltimes, and I would argue a lot of the CBC mainstream media journalists trying to insulate that bad behavior, trying to cover up and cover for this potential criminal treasonous behavior.

00:43:27.860 So it's like, even, even putting them in the same category as a journalist is, is a, is a joke.

00:43:33.640 Um, yeah, like, it's the, like, it's disgusting. 0.99

00:43:38.900 These, these people collect government money, mostly, uh, because their stuff is total trash. 0.94

00:43:45.600 Um, and, and, and to what? 0.95

00:43:49.080 It's to, it's to insulate these corrupt people from consequences.

00:43:52.840 So, Lee, you wanted to jump in there, babe.

00:43:58.380 Sorry, I cut you off.

00:44:00.400 No, it's all good.

00:44:01.320 The, the topic kind of passed, but on the subject of the, the World Seek organization, you know, like, if there's such, like, a advocate for Indians, why aren't they convincing them to return back to India?

00:44:12.600 Therefore, they won't have to face, um, construct, uh, criticism from Canadians or infiltrate our, our politics.

00:44:21.820 Um, no election interference needed.

00:44:24.440 They can just go back to India and live how they want to live. 1.00

00:44:27.340 They don't need to.

00:44:28.420 But Sikhs are persecuted by the Indian government in India.

00:44:31.760 They're, they're safe to do their nonsense activism here in Canada. 0.85

00:44:35.880 So, we've become a hub for Sikh extremism. 1.00

00:44:40.640 Like, percentage-wise, Sikhs make up a much larger, uh, percent of our Indian population than they do in India, where they're a tiny minority compared to the, the, the Hindu majority.

00:44:53.040 One percent.

00:44:54.260 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:55.480 So, like, they, they, they, there's a much larger Sikh, Calistani movement in Canada than whatever they do in India.

00:45:04.700 So, they come here, they get, they, they enrich themselves, because Canadian dollars are worth much, you know, hundreds of rupees.

00:45:13.280 Uh, they send some of their money back, uh, home.

00:45:16.280 They become more wealthy, at least, uh, you know, even a relatively poor Canadian, uh, Canadian citizen is a very wealthy, uh, Indian. 0.50

00:45:25.620 And then they can return home, or they can use the money that they gain here to fuel activism back home.

00:45:31.280 Why, why does that become our problem?

00:45:33.280 Because, because we have our own problems here.

00:45:36.280 Why should we, why should our door be open to potential terrorists and, and people who hate their own government to infiltrate ours?

00:45:45.740 Why don't they just go back home and deal with the consequences there, or do whatever they're going to do there?

00:45:50.720 Infiltrate their own government with their own terrorists?

00:45:54.120 Someone would have to make them go home.

00:45:56.020 They're very comfortable here.

00:45:57.160 Well, it's also easier for them to launder their money over here through real estate and other means.

00:46:04.080 Yep.

00:46:04.460 Okay, but how, how do we stop that then?

00:46:06.460 How, who, who's going to stand up and stop it?

00:46:08.580 How do we stop it?

00:46:10.820 Well, certainly not the Uniparty, that's for sure.

00:46:13.060 So can I, can I ask, is there more of a, I'm sorry if this is a really dumb question, but is there more Kalistani people in Canada than Hindus?

00:46:22.920 Do we know? 0.61

00:46:23.740 Probably.

00:46:24.360 Yeah?

00:46:24.560 Yeah, so, uh, I've been tracking the demographics of the, the Sikhs and the Punjabis for some time.

00:46:33.160 Um, they're, I think they're close to half or maybe, maybe slightly more of the entire Indian population in Canada up until very recently, where we had a mass influx of, uh, mostly people from Gujarat, the state of Gujarat in Northern India.

00:46:47.020 Uh, which is also why, and, uh, Bethan, you pointed out a document that we shared in the chat before this, uh, but it's also why in this executive summary for the election guide from the World Seek Organization of Canada, why some of the demands that they like to bring forth into Canadian politics are so focused on countering what they view as Hinduva extremism, Hindu, Hinduva.

00:47:12.020 I'm not sure how to pronounce that.

00:47:14.320 Um, they effectively want the Canadian government, uh, the intelligence apparatus like CSIS and the RCMP to cut ties with the Republic of India.

00:47:23.400 Um, they, they believe that information sharing programs between Canada and India or part of the five eyes, for example, are enabling the Indian government to spy on them and to persecute them.

00:47:34.000 Um, they name a couple of MPs and other people in, uh, the legislative system.

00:47:39.020 Um, um, they want the government to formally recognize the 1984 Sikh genocide or what they call is a, uh, a Sikh genocide.

00:47:47.160 They want this recognized in the Canadian parliament.

00:47:50.520 What else do we have here?

00:47:52.120 Um, supporting international students.

00:47:54.140 So they want every single one of these international students to remain in Canada as well, uh, regardless of whether or not their visas have expired, um, or not.

00:48:02.300 And it's important to note too, that when they started coming in greater numbers, because there is no continuity between the very early Sikhs who came to Canada in the, uh, in the early 1900s and the ones who came post 1960, they're actually completely separate cohorts of people.

00:48:16.420 They're not related whatsoever.

00:48:17.440 Um, so the ones who came in the 1980s were leaving during a period of massive political upheaval, uh, as, as they mentioned here in 1984, what they call a, a genocide, you have Operation Blue Star, where the Sikhs actually assassinated the president of India, uh, Indira Gandhi, I believe it was Gandhi's daughter.

00:48:36.280 And, uh, so when that, when that generation emigrated elsewhere across the Commonwealth, when they went to Canada and Australia, New Zealand, uh, and less surprisingly, less so the United Kingdom, they brought those ideals with them there. 0.90

00:48:49.060 And then the communities that they built from the eighties onward are just absolutely saturated with this Kalistani shit. 1.00

00:48:55.680 Um, and so they're, what are they doing? 0.95

00:48:57.920 Well, like something like close to half of Punjab now is outside of their state of, or, or part of what was the historic state of Punjab within India and they're leveraging money, resources, influence, political influence, uh, so on and so forth for the ultimate purpose of securing a homeland for themselves at everybody else's expense.

00:49:18.200 Now, I've covered this before Derek Rantz has actually, uh, gone into this a little bit more than I have, at least as far as content is concerned.

00:49:28.520 Um, but what nobody is mentioning here is the Ghadar movement.

00:49:31.840 And if you don't know what the Ghadar movement was, it's G-H-A-D-A-R. 1.00

00:49:37.040 Uh, this was founded in the early 1900s as an Indian nationalist movement that was trying to secure independence from British India, from the Raj.

00:49:45.340 Uh, and they sent their people all across the world, worldwide to do exactly as they're doing now.

00:49:50.480 So they've been doing this for over 120 years.

00:49:53.240 Basically, they've been scattering across the Commonwealth countries, leveraging power and resources and setting up communities for the explicit purpose.

00:50:00.640 Uh, initially for the independence of India, the Sikhs had hoped to carve out territory for themselves in that agreement.

00:50:06.360 Uh, and then after there was a split between the Hindus and the Sikhs, um, the Ghadar movement and the Sikh population in Canada focused solely on that.

00:50:14.320 And that's actually why we had the continuous journey regulation to stop more of them from coming because they assassinated a customs officer on the doorsteps of a Vancouver courthouse.

00:50:24.980 So they've been doing this for a very long time and the continuous journey regulation successfully stopped their immigration to Canada.

00:50:31.720 They did not, for a period of between 40 to 60 years, uh, come en masse in any capacity.

00:50:37.880 They did not set up communities.

00:50:39.380 They did not, uh, uh, really have easy paths at home for the handful who were here.

00:50:44.900 And then it's really until the 1980s where this starts to kick up.

00:50:48.120 And that's where all of this goes back to.

00:50:49.820 Uh, but yes, the, the vast majority of East Indians in Canada today are Punjabi Sikhs specifically, uh, although that may change very soon because of how many Indians overall we've allowed into Canada, uh, since 2020, since COVID, since the dead beginning of COVID, this, uh, five and a half million people, Indians are something like 30 or 40, 40% of the entirety of the, of the migrants.

00:51:12.620 And so they're not all from Punjab.

00:51:14.320 They're, they're mostly from Gujarat.

00:51:16.880 So they're very concerned about, they're very concerned about Hindu infiltration now in, in the government.

00:51:21.880 And they're, and the, uh, the election guide is focused on this.

00:51:24.720 It's like overwhelmingly, we must counter the Indians because they're coming to tear apart our racket. 1.00

00:51:31.540 Were you going to say something, Daniel?

00:51:33.440 Well, I was just going to suggest to, to finish the comprehensive, uh, history lesson on, uh, on, uh, on, uh, Indian immigration in Canada.

00:51:41.560 You, you, you have to touch on the Komagata Maru 40.

00:51:47.500 Oh, right, right, right, right.

00:51:48.480 Yes.

00:51:48.900 Sorry about that.

00:51:49.700 What did you, what did you just call me?

00:51:51.700 Come on.

00:51:52.500 So the Komagata Maru, uh, very famously is an incident that we're held up to blood live L for, that we're beaten over the head by every single year or whenever the anniversary for that is, uh, about four to 500 Indians tried to illegally emigrate to Canada.

00:52:07.000 And their leader was a man named Baba Gurdit Singh.

00:52:10.740 And Baba Gurdit Singh was a wanted criminal in Hong Kong where he first got on a steamship and tried to come to Canada and he was not allowed.

00:52:17.880 And he was a criminal because he was selling fake steamboat tickets.

00:52:21.440 Uh, he got caught and then he tried to go to Japan.

00:52:24.600 He tried to enter Canada by way of Japan.

00:52:26.320 Uh, and then when the Komagata Maru came to port, it was turned back and all of them were forced home.

00:52:31.580 Um, but that is the very first modern attempt of them at subverting and or, uh, benefiting their cohort in Canadian history.

00:52:40.740 And it's, like I said, it's been going on for 120-ish years.

00:52:44.740 They've been trying to do this for a long time now.

00:52:46.460 That was 1914, uh, when it was a bunch of, uh, six Hindus, Muslims that tried to board a steamship and come here illegally.

00:52:56.000 They were opposed by, uh, most of public society and some prominent politicians, including Herbert Henry Stevens.

00:53:05.580 That'd be a good, uh. 1.00

00:53:07.520 And told them they had to fuck off and go back. 1.00

00:53:10.600 That'd be a good heritage moment. 1.00

00:53:12.280 Um, Sikhs trying to scam Canadian immigration. 1.00

00:53:14.920 Could you go over that, uh, Fortis X?

00:53:17.400 I just want to look this up.

00:53:18.440 Did you say that Kalistani or Sikh extremists killed somebody off outside of a Vancouver courthouse?

00:53:24.860 Yeah.

00:53:25.240 Yeah.

00:53:25.700 That's, uh, William Hopkinson was the customs officer.

00:53:28.820 William Hopkinson was, was shot dead, like in broad daylight.

00:53:31.980 Yeah.

00:53:32.440 Derek did a video on it that he had me voice.

00:53:35.440 So it's like it's on his, it's on his YouTube.

00:53:39.020 Or YouTube.

00:53:39.520 Yeah.

00:53:40.380 I'll, I'll, I'll go look for it right now and put it in the nest.

00:53:44.020 When did that happen?

00:53:44.660 That'd be great.

00:53:48.100 Do you know what year that happened?

00:53:49.140 Uh, 1914.

00:53:50.700 It was that exact year.

00:53:52.020 Yeah.

00:53:52.400 Oh.

00:53:52.500 It was in response to the Komagata in there.

00:53:54.260 Yeah.

00:53:54.440 That was, that was the revenge for, for the Komagata Maru.

00:53:57.300 The Sikh community went after him.

00:53:59.100 And also he was investigating a murder.

00:54:01.380 One of their.

00:54:01.660 There was a tiny Sikh community in, in, in mostly in BC at the time.

00:54:05.740 Um, and this, the, the, the boat, the Komagata Maru was, was, you know, on the coasts of,

00:54:11.340 of Canada for several days.

00:54:12.740 And, uh, you know, this is 1914 and they took a steamship across the country.

00:54:17.340 Like the health of the passengers were not good.

00:54:20.100 So there was a lot of, uh, there was a campaign for, to pull on heartstrings to try and get

00:54:25.400 them allowed into the country.

00:54:26.940 But, uh, uh, politicians led by H.H.

00:54:31.160 Stevens, uh, didn't put up with it and they made them, uh, go back.

00:54:36.040 I'm just, I'm just thinking.

00:54:37.700 In response, a man was killed.

00:54:40.360 I would love to see, you know, be a fly on the wall of like what conversations among Sikhs

00:54:47.140 are when we're not around.

00:54:49.640 It's like, you, you have to come to the promised land of Canada. 0.98

00:54:52.160 It's like all these naive white people. 0.99

00:54:54.280 Like they're so easy to scam. 0.99

00:54:55.680 Um, uh, like it's the land of the naive.

00:54:59.480 Like you have to come, we can scam them together.

00:55:02.440 My friend, all you got to do is drop in on their spaces anonymously.

00:55:06.720 And sometimes when they speak English, they let it slip.

00:55:09.180 They think some very interesting things about the average Canadian.

00:55:11.980 Believe me, I would not be surprised, but I do want to go back to Lee, your question,

00:55:16.160 which is what do we do about this?

00:55:17.760 How do we solve this?

00:55:18.440 How do we get these like Calistanis to stop protesting here? 1.00

00:55:21.340 Here's sort of like a contrarian take, which is, this is actually a huge gift.

00:55:25.680 For right wingers to use them as a sort of example of, Hey guys, mass mass immigration

00:55:34.680 and multiculturalism definitely is not working.

00:55:37.980 Is this the Canada that you want?

00:55:39.720 Is this the Canada that, uh, that you want to continue to, you know, foster and grow?

00:55:44.080 It's like most Canadians will be like, no, thank you. 0.96

00:55:46.900 It's like swords, turbines, shouting in foreign languages, wanting to kill a foreign Indian 1.00

00:55:53.220 prime minister. 0.71

00:55:54.080 Like that's not, that's not on my, uh, I'm a Canadian maple syrup bingo card whatsoever.

00:55:59.040 And I think most Canadians of all political stripes would totally agree with that.

00:56:02.820 Um, and I think that's, you know, not, not many people are taking advantage of it.

00:56:08.300 Um, I don't think, I don't think Bernier is taking enough advantage of this.

00:56:12.400 Uh, and I have told, talked to people at HQ and I've said like, Hey man, you should really

00:56:16.140 like, I don't want to use the word of like, you shouldn't like vilify these people necessarily,

00:56:20.420 but like you should really try, you know, let's compare it to Trump in the States. 0.98

00:56:26.400 They're rapists. 0.99

00:56:27.400 They're bringing drugs. 1.00

00:56:28.540 He was talking about, uh, you know, a disturbing gang, uh, like Mexican gang or whatever.

00:56:34.660 And it got, they're eating the cats, right?

00:56:38.180 Well, well, this was back in 2016 though, when he was like, they're bringing drugs, they're 0.97

00:56:41.480 rapists. 0.93

00:56:41.900 And he was referring to like Mexican gangs or whatever, Mexican cartels. 0.94

00:56:45.380 But, um, and he got called racist, but it's like, that's, that's what needs to happen here. 0.97

00:56:49.600 We, we need to say like, Hey, these guys are terrorists.

00:56:52.460 Uh, they literally have swords in the streets.

00:56:54.840 There's tons of videos about it.

00:56:56.820 Um, you know, we need to get these people out of here or at the very least turn the tap off

00:57:00.540 on mass immigration and have a conversation about this.

00:57:02.840 And unfortunately, like the only people who have really pushed that conversation are

00:57:08.260 diagonal on, you know, I saw, I saw a ferryman in here earlier, uh, obviously Jeremy McKenzie.

00:57:13.660 And as, as we just mentioned, uh, Derek, like they really pushed this and it would be great

00:57:19.440 to see, you know, PPC people pushing it more max, pushing it more.

00:57:23.600 Obviously we know Polly have is not going to touch it because he has a members of his cabinet

00:57:28.500 that are basically friends with these people potentially.

00:57:30.680 So, yeah, but like, you know, I think that instead of thinking, Oh, like we got to get

00:57:35.380 these people out of here.

00:57:36.000 It's like, I think of it differently of like, how, how can we leverage this and try to use

00:57:40.760 it as an example of like, Hey guys, multiculturalism bad. 0.72

00:57:45.480 Uh, you know, this is existential to our nation for like, stop thinking about taxes for five

00:57:51.140 seconds, please.

00:57:52.160 Well, I almost, I almost, I almost view it as, as an act of war, because if you were

00:57:58.760 to want to conquer a country, would you not infiltrate their government?

00:58:04.740 Would you not infiltrate their government and work from the upper echelon to push through

00:58:10.860 whatever it is that you want?

00:58:12.360 Uh, your policies enacted like the, the WSO, how, what they want, uh, within the government.

00:58:19.160 So how, how is this not an act of war?

00:58:21.420 Like you mentioned, you know, these Sikhs carrying swords. 1.00

00:58:24.240 I mean, I see that.

00:58:25.380 And I, I think this country is trying to conquer us and it could, could it be, uh, viewed as

00:58:30.380 some sort of payback for what Canada has done?

00:58:32.680 Um, well, it's in the laws of, of our country.

00:58:36.980 Like, you know, like the treason law, I was looking up foreign interference laws the other

00:58:41.780 day and I'm like, well, there's definitely a lot of people guilty of this too bad.

00:58:44.640 It doesn't get enforced, but like the, the laws are actually written in a way, uh, of sort

00:58:50.080 of the language you're talking about, which is like, you know, is this not war?

00:58:53.280 Is this not a foreign nation who is trying to subvert our institutions and resources to 1.00

00:58:58.660 divert it away from the benefit of the Canadian people?

00:59:01.220 And the answer is, yeah, probably.

00:59:03.940 And you can even just look at, once again, you can look at Mocha Bezergan's content to

00:59:08.460 make a strong argument out of that.

00:59:10.660 And that's, and that's when kind of back to our initial conversation, talking about, uh,

00:59:14.840 this whole like media circus, this media debacle at the debates and how the conversations are

00:59:19.420 so controlled, it starts to kind of, uh, be not become obvious, but it starts to be like,

00:59:26.220 um, who's benefiting, who's benefiting from this media debacle.

00:59:30.460 And like, we're kind of, we're, we're stuck in this dialectic between like, oh, the, you

00:59:34.980 know, the fake CBC and like the real rebel news media.

00:59:37.740 And it's like, okay, well, are we going to talk about the world secret organization?

00:59:40.940 And the fact that there's 11 traders, potentially treasonous people in the parliament buildings,

00:59:44.720 like we did in the fall.

00:59:45.560 It's like, no, that's a, that's an old talking point.

00:59:47.540 That's an old news item.

00:59:48.400 I guess we're not going to talk about that.

00:59:49.660 It's just going to be, um, you know, the safe topics.

00:59:53.700 There's like the safe, safe topics on CBC.

00:59:55.880 And then there's like the safe right wing topics, which are, uh, you know, calling out

01:00:00.980 the hypocrisy of Jagmeet Singh and, you know, making fun of the liberals for them thinking

01:00:06.360 there's a hundred different genders. 1.00

01:00:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:12.220 Being infiltrated by foreigners though. 1.00

01:00:13.760 That's not, uh, that does not penetrate, uh, the mainstream conversation.

01:00:19.700 And, uh, that's, I mean, that's why like, you know, people on this space are probably

01:00:25.780 on the same page, but whenever I try to talk to other right wing people with the platform,

01:00:32.640 especially if they're caught up in all the fear of Carney, Carney's going to kill, Carney's 0.89

01:00:36.520 literally just going to kill us and kill all of us. 0.91

01:00:39.740 And I try to calm them down. 0.98

01:00:41.360 And I'm like, listen, um, I mean, cause to me, it's really simple.

01:00:45.280 It's like, if you are not disrupting the status quo conversation and bringing up immigration

01:00:50.960 and post-nationalism and this, these things of foreign interference, then I actually don't

01:00:55.980 think you're doing that much.

01:00:58.220 I actually don't think you're really doing anything at all.

01:01:02.360 And, uh, just maintaining the status quo.

01:01:05.640 Yeah.

01:01:06.160 And it's almost like we're slowly starting to see the status quo leak a bit.

01:01:10.800 We're slowly starting to see the Overton window shift to allow more of the, you know,

01:01:16.260 safe right-wing topics like questioning a hundred genders and, uh, calling out the hypocrisy

01:01:22.720 of the Trudeau liberal government.

01:01:25.140 But, um, this, like we need to shift it much quicker.

01:01:28.780 Things need to move much quicker.

01:01:30.160 And once again, uh, I did a podcast series called controlled opposition, which is not so 0.95

01:01:36.060 much getting all caught up and like, Oh my God, the hypocrites, the liberals, the left. 0.99

01:01:39.260 Oh my God, they're the worst. 0.99

01:01:40.120 It's like, actually a lot of these fake right-wingers, a lot of these people kind of like gatekeeping 0.96

01:01:44.540 the conversation.

01:01:45.160 They're kind of actually the biggest, what's the word bulwark, bulwark, the biggest obstacle

01:01:50.560 to actually, to, uh, to actually shift the conversation and actually get people thinking

01:01:57.240 on the right page.

01:01:58.140 Um, and as we all know, like this stuff is existential, you know, uh, it's a lot of people

01:02:03.600 think it's even too late and, and like, honestly, they have an argument.

01:02:07.000 Um, but, uh, but yeah, it's, we have the receipts and it's a matter of just kind of continuing

01:02:12.760 to push and, and not listening to these, uh, to these gatekeepers because that's what they

01:02:17.440 do now.

01:02:17.840 Their, their job is to placate.

01:02:19.120 Their job is to, no, no, no, dude.

01:02:21.000 Like we can't talk about, we can't talk about the world seek organization and foreign interference 1.00

01:02:25.980 and treasonous traders in the parliament buildings.

01:02:28.120 That's not safe.

01:02:29.640 It's not safe.

01:02:31.440 That's like, Hey bro, don't talk.

01:02:32.780 Hey, don't talk about your terminal cancer, dude.

01:02:34.680 Can't mention that.

01:02:35.740 Let's, let's just talk about, um, your haircut.

01:02:38.600 You know, let's just talk about something else.

01:02:40.760 It's, uh, it's quite insane.

01:02:42.620 And that's why, and that's why it's so important to push further, right.

01:02:46.820 Criticize the right.

01:02:47.620 I don't really see much of the utility in criticizing, uh, the left at this point, especially from

01:02:52.680 our vantage point, when you continue to kind of chip away, I think at the credibility of

01:02:56.800 the so-called like authority of the official right-wing people here in the country, because

01:03:01.200 there's much, much more to the story.

01:03:02.620 And the thing is like, um, we've seen success.

01:03:07.000 We, we've seen success when we see success, when, uh, the conservative party and right-wing

01:03:13.860 influencers start talking like, like stealing diagonal on talking points, they start stealing

01:03:19.860 like right-wing talking points.

01:03:21.460 That is us slowly, but surely winning, you know, in a way it's subversive and it's them

01:03:26.560 trying to hold onto their power and relevance, but it shows that they are at least pivoting

01:03:31.320 and they're moving and, and, and they're, you know, they're trying to adapt to the sort

01:03:34.920 of changing tides.

01:03:36.300 But, um, that's literally how the Overton window works.

01:03:39.680 Yeah, there you go.

01:03:42.800 So there's a few things in this document I'd like to bring to light for all of you, if

01:03:47.400 you are not aware of it, uh, but also to anybody listening in particular, uh, it's, it, uh,

01:03:55.700 yes, it is.

01:03:56.340 Lee is the one who shared it.

01:03:57.660 It's, it's from this document.

01:03:59.500 So of course, this is the executive summary and the election guide from the world seek

01:04:04.640 organization.

01:04:05.320 Um, but I wanted to draw attention to points two, four, six, and seven, which I think are

01:04:11.320 very interesting and should be talked about or should be brought up here.

01:04:14.080 Um, number two, addressing Hindu extremism in Canada, WSO urges immediate action to counter

01:04:21.420 India's documented transnational repression, including suspending intelligence sharing

01:04:25.360 agreements, initiating a comprehensive public inquiry into the assassination of Bihardeep Singh

01:04:30.260 Nijjar and decades of targeted violence against Sikhs, but more importantly, in combating 0.86

01:04:35.060 anti-seek hate.

01:04:36.880 WSO demands a dedicated federal strategy to combat escalating anti-seek hate crimes through

01:04:42.540 systematic national data tracking, enhanced law enforcement responsiveness, robust community

01:04:50.300 outreach and education initiatives.

01:04:52.060 So they want law enforcement specific initiatives, um, to target anti-seek hate specifically.

01:04:58.760 They're, they're demanding that, uh, law enforcement budgets, uh, go out of their breath to target

01:05:04.980 or to protect them specifically.

01:05:06.920 Now, number four, which is what Lee had posted is the combination of Sikh articles of faith

01:05:11.160 on work sites.

01:05:12.060 Don't, don't criticize the terrorists.

01:05:13.580 You guys, it's not allowed legal to do that.

01:05:16.680 So they want exemptions on work sites.

01:05:18.660 They want to be able to wear whatever religious garb is necessary, um, on their work site.

01:05:24.100 This is no different really from the whole motorcycle debacle a couple of years ago.

01:05:27.560 It's also exemptions for face masks because of their beards. 0.99

01:05:31.940 Now, this one as a Quebecer stands out to me because get the fuck out of here. 0.98

01:05:35.820 Um, not when you're 0.3% of the entire province's population, but this is sensitive because 0.99

01:05:42.000 he has a big beard.

01:05:45.420 Hey man, I didn't want, we shouldn't have to wear masks either.

01:05:48.220 Okay.

01:05:48.660 So, uh, the WSO has strongly opposed bill 21, a law passed in Quebec in 2019 that prohibits

01:05:56.360 public sector employees from wearing religious symbols, such as turbans, kippahs, hijabs, and

01:06:00.440 croissants while performing their duties.

01:06:02.940 The WSO bills views the bill as a violation of fundamental human rights, particularly the

01:06:07.080 freedom of religion and expression.

01:06:09.720 So they want the federal government to overreach into the province of Quebec and force the

01:06:17.440 provinces state secularism to make exemptions for them as a demographic when it does not

01:06:22.960 allow any exceptions for anybody else in the public service.

01:06:25.980 That was like one of the most based laws Quebec's ever passed in recent memory.

01:06:31.140 It's not, I mean, it's one of those things that's kind of wrong for the right reasons.

01:06:34.560 It's, it's, you know, but it, but it does, it does do a, it does do its job.

01:06:38.780 Uh, it keeps, it keeps foreigners out of the civil service.

01:06:41.580 It's an indirect way of, of, uh, of doing that without significant attempts at integration

01:06:46.540 at the very least.

01:06:47.340 Um, but yeah, so they want the federal governments to overreach, uh, into the Quebec provincial

01:06:52.760 government, which is an absolute no go.

01:06:54.540 There's absolutely no effing way Quebec would ever tolerate or amend bill 21 for a minority 1.00

01:07:01.200 demographic who are barely 0.3% of that province's population.

01:07:04.760 It's just absolutely astounding.

01:07:06.140 So my takeaway from these points here, uh, and this should be, uh, it should be considered

01:07:11.080 offensive.

01:07:11.480 That's this incredibly small demographic has the audacity to make these demands in our

01:07:16.780 country of all of these exemptions, uh, for their specific cohort.

01:07:22.080 And it's as Derek, sorry, Greg had said, uh, this group solely seeks to benefit to the benefit

01:07:28.100 of their people.

01:07:28.720 And that's it.

01:07:29.300 There's no, there can be no reconciliation with people who are this cutthroat about benefiting

01:07:34.460 themselves at everyone else's expense.

01:07:35.940 Yeah, I shared another thing in the nest there to kind of support, uh, I was doing research

01:07:45.080 on the sick video I did recently and, um, they're like, yeah, we helped speak RCMP officers not

01:07:51.900 have to wear masks and get masks exemptions during COVID.

01:07:56.500 And it's like, man, and the thing is, you know, we can get angry, but it's also like these

01:08:01.920 people are very good at advocating for their own people.

01:08:05.200 And, uh, we, you know, Canadians who are, you know, old stock, what have you, we need

01:08:11.640 to start doing that ourselves.

01:08:13.400 Yes.

01:08:13.800 We're going to get branded as a, as all sorts of horrible names, but, um, actually Daniel,

01:08:19.740 you made a great post about this, that, that got over a thousand likes, I think the other

01:08:23.520 day, which was something along the lines of, could you, could you, could you maybe summarize

01:08:28.440 it for us?

01:08:29.020 It was like, guys, they're organized from them.

01:08:31.820 Yes.

01:08:32.220 Like, yes, we should oppose everything that they do, but like, you have to put some respect

01:08:36.040 on their name.

01:08:36.620 They're 2% of the population and they've taken over these political parties.

01:08:40.740 They have them, you know, getting on their literally hands and knees, uh, to, to, to get 0.80

01:08:47.560 their favor and wearing their silly headdress and garb and whatnot in order to pander to their 0.90

01:08:54.420 support. 0.95

01:08:54.820 And the reason that they're able to do this is because they're organized through their

01:08:59.980 temples, through their, through this organization, the world Sikh organization, and they exert serious 0.78

01:09:06.140 political pressure.

01:09:07.020 Um, and like actual heritage Canadians, ethnic Canadians, whatever you want to call, uh, you

01:09:16.780 know, real Canadians that are descendant from the founding stock of our, uh, nation, uh, need 0.71

01:09:23.560 to take lessons from this.

01:09:25.440 So we need to get similarly organized.

01:09:27.900 And as soon as we are, um, we will, they will, the exact same politicians will start to pander

01:09:35.380 to us.

01:09:35.860 Like these people are followers.

01:09:38.040 They're not leaders.

01:09:39.300 They stick their finger up in the wind and they see which direction it's blowing in.

01:09:43.820 And right now, all of these ethnic lobbies are all getting together and they're all blowing

01:09:50.100 in one direction and actual Canadians are, are quiet and, you know, stand by and settle

01:09:58.580 for the, the pennies they throw us, the breadcrumbs they throw us once in a while.

01:10:02.240 Um, if we were organized and, and demanded that, you know, our interests be met, uh, that we need

01:10:11.200 mass immigration, we need re-migration in order to survive as a society. 1.00

01:10:15.160 And we have significant numbers and we can fill rooms because we're coordinated.

01:10:20.860 Um, they'll, they'll start waving the red ensign and dressing up like Mounties and doing 0.98

01:10:27.700 whatever they can, uh, to get us on their side.

01:10:30.820 Yeah.

01:10:32.800 And, um, this, I, I totally agree.

01:10:37.440 We need to get organized.

01:10:38.900 We need to start doing the same thing.

01:10:40.840 And it's very ironic, isn't it?

01:10:42.700 I mean, you have India, which is certainly less of a democracy than Canada and they're 1.00

01:10:47.360 coming over here and they're finessing our democracy better than we are.

01:10:51.300 They're, they're like, you know, they're finessing the system better than we are.

01:10:55.360 And it's almost like they recognize, Hey, these people have to like, I don't care what

01:10:59.740 their platform is.

01:11:00.680 This is our platform.

01:11:01.860 This is what we want.

01:11:03.140 And we have a thing called a backbone and we are not going to compromise.

01:11:06.580 This is what we want.

01:11:07.740 They actually embody the democratic spirit of, Hey, politician, you serve me.

01:11:13.840 Meanwhile, so many Canadians, especially right-wing Canadians are like, we just, we just have 0.99

01:11:21.120 to like be pussy, little afraid, scaredy cat city on the couch and just deluding ourselves 0.99

01:11:26.740 into hoping that this guy is going to help us or something. 0.99

01:11:29.560 And hopefully he doesn't get called a racist or whatever. 1.00

01:11:31.660 It's pathetic. 1.00

01:11:32.520 Like so many right-wing Canadians like do not even cherish or value. 0.99

01:11:38.340 They're not even grateful for the, for the democracy that they live in.

01:11:42.280 And, you know, this becomes so clear and loud too, not just when comparing it to how organized

01:11:47.880 sick organizations are, but how organized the foreign international students were or the,

01:11:53.800 the, uh, you know, the foreign workers, they're out there protesting.

01:11:57.700 They have signs, they have a message and sure the mainstream media is going to give them

01:12:02.040 more play because they're foreigners.

01:12:03.420 And that's what the CBC mainstream media loves try to like, Oh, look at, look at this exotic

01:12:08.220 foreign worker and how amazing he is.

01:12:10.240 He's a real Canadian doesn't have citizenship. 0.99

01:12:12.300 Doesn't know how to use a toilet. 0.99

01:12:13.760 It's crazy.

01:12:14.500 But the point is, is like, they're out there actually protesting.

01:12:18.000 They're actually out there, uh, doing stuff, uh, pushing a message, being coordinated, trying

01:12:24.800 to look professional, trying to be, you know, speak with their convictions.

01:12:27.700 And then there's so many right wingers who are like, yeah, Oh, geez.

01:12:32.820 Oh, geez.

01:12:33.540 What are we going to do about it?

01:12:34.640 Hey, well, hopefully, hopefully the, then the next guy that gets in will be better, but,

01:12:38.620 uh, not much we can do about it.

01:12:40.240 Well, you know, well, when I go to vote, who, who, who's, whose name am I going to check?

01:12:46.480 You know, like we're in this situation because Canadians exercise their democratic rights for

01:12:51.940 five seconds, checking a box every four years, you know, there is no hard work.

01:12:57.780 There is no sort of, um, there is no sort of investment in what would you call it?

01:13:03.440 Like, like six civic activity when it comes to, to politics, it's super, super passive.

01:13:08.620 And I'm sure it's this very, very similar on the left as well.

01:13:12.020 There, there, you know, what, what is democratic participation?

01:13:15.900 What, what is the involvement of the average leftist in politics?

01:13:18.980 It's sharing the right virtue signaling Instagram post.

01:13:23.220 It's agreeing with the right people at the water cooler.

01:13:27.280 Uh, you know, it's like, it's not very, it's not very high effort.

01:13:30.740 Um, but of course there's much more supporting them and it feels much better because you have

01:13:36.020 all of this sort of like positive love bombing and social feedback to feel like you're saving

01:13:39.960 the world because you posted a black square, a black JPEG on your Instagram feed.

01:13:45.040 Um, but yeah, you know, like the, the common theme to a lot of these conversations and it's

01:13:49.620 kind of been brought up is that, and what I like about conversations like this is it's

01:13:55.020 people who accept and confront how bad things really are and how much work needs to be done.

01:14:01.960 Cause it does, you know, a lot of people, like a lot of the older people, sorry, sorry if 1.00

01:14:06.460 you're older listening, but a lot of the people who are like, we just got to become the 51st

01:14:10.080 state.

01:14:10.420 We just got to vote for Polyev.

01:14:12.020 They're not long-term thinking at all.

01:14:14.280 Like they're literally just treating this election.

01:14:16.300 Like it's like, it's the end of the world is everything.

01:14:18.360 And it's like, guys, uh, I'm younger.

01:14:20.840 I'm not thinking about like what my pension is going to be, what my taxes, my tax kickbacks

01:14:25.800 are going to be over the next five to 10 years and how many more vacations I can go on.

01:14:29.900 I'm wanting to create a country where I'm going to want to raise kids and, and, and live here

01:14:35.340 and have it throng into the future, you know?

01:14:38.480 And, uh, it's, it's really sad to see so many otherwise smart, otherwise, you know, conspiracy

01:14:43.820 minded Canadians who see what's going on succumbing to fear right now.

01:14:47.520 There's just a coming to this fear that like Mark Carney is going to eat their children.

01:14:51.580 And, uh, and, you know, he might try to do that because, you know, he does seem like

01:14:55.580 the type of guy to do that.

01:14:56.720 But, um, you know, we need to have the important conversations here because it's, it's not

01:15:03.440 only like, not only, you know, the, the problem isn't even being identified in any sort of

01:15:09.060 mainstream conversation.

01:15:09.920 And that's obviously the first step.

01:15:11.700 And once again, it starts with people like us applying the pressure and, uh, and yapping

01:15:16.320 about it and, and being uncompromising, you know, like it's funny how you'll talk to back

01:15:22.260 to this, um, this organization, how organized Sikhs are.

01:15:26.620 They have the conviction.

01:15:28.760 They say, I don't care.

01:15:30.400 This is what I want.

01:15:31.780 Serve me politician.

01:15:33.360 You know, where's that energy with native born Canadians? 1.00

01:15:36.660 Where's that energy with white European Christian stock Canadians? 1.00

01:15:41.360 You know, it's, um, oh, it's too much work.

01:15:44.240 Oh no.

01:15:44.960 And you know, now, now I'm just kind of ranting and rambling on here.

01:15:48.160 But, um, can I ask you a question, Greg?

01:15:52.080 Um, so I think you're like bringing up kind of two points about, you know, you're saying

01:15:56.620 they're finessing things and I sort of take a, you know, a little bit of umbrage with that.

01:16:01.360 I think whites, as far as white, you know, old stock Euro Canadians, as far as collectivizing 1.00

01:16:09.160 is concerned, yes, we've been completely atomized.

01:16:12.600 Right.

01:16:12.900 And we're not, we're not thinking of it as a group.

01:16:15.500 We're not thinking as a unit.

01:16:17.480 Um, and really like when the left collectivized, yeah, the, the communism movement seems to

01:16:23.360 be going quite strong in Canada and, and has a lot of the youth, you know, all the troons 1.00

01:16:28.280 and the trannies and the commies over here. 1.00

01:16:30.580 And then there's this right wing movement that's growing online and it's going really like, it's

01:16:36.440 getting fashy and, um, you know, they're like celebrating Hitler's birthday kind of thing. 0.67

01:16:42.500 So like there's both extremes that are living out here on the internet and, you know, for

01:16:48.760 whites to collectivize, we need to face that the left are going to call us all the names.

01:16:55.360 And so it's difficult for us to collectivize or get called terrorists, right?

01:17:00.800 As Diaglons experienced in any European ethno-nationalist organization in the United States or Europe, the 0.94

01:17:09.000 first thing they say, like, they're like, oh, Nazis.

01:17:11.500 And they, um, try and rip it apart or charge them.

01:17:15.200 And then the other part is a war chest, right?

01:17:17.600 As far as like collectivizing under, uh, with money.

01:17:21.440 And so, um, you know, with the Indians, from what I can see is that there's a lot of theft 1.00

01:17:27.140 happening and there's a lot of crime and there's a lot of gun trafficking and there's a lot of

01:17:31.940 fentanyl trafficking.

01:17:33.040 And so that can fill up your coffers, um, pretty quickly.

01:17:37.240 And meanwhile, we're paying our taxes and, you know, we hardly have, you know, $20 to rub

01:17:44.760 between us.

01:17:45.680 So like is finessing, you know, what they're doing, do we need to become a white mafia 0.73

01:17:52.360 ourselves and kind of have, start developing a criminal element because we're fighting a

01:17:58.660 criminal.

01:17:59.340 I think our morality and honesty is honesty.

01:18:01.780 I'm joking, but you get me?

01:18:03.460 Like they're playing, they're cheating and we're not.

01:18:06.220 So, so there, all right, Greg, go ahead.

01:18:08.800 Yeah.

01:18:08.900 Let me just respond to that real quick.

01:18:10.040 So the, the, the sort of thing that I will take about, take away from the sort of like

01:18:15.400 criminal part is that, you know, the mafia is organized and they're very loyal to one

01:18:20.420 another.

01:18:20.880 That stuff we can definitely copy and paste and we, and we should be implementing and

01:18:25.040 embodying like the loyalty and the fact that we're organized and we're watching each other's

01:18:29.300 backs and, and organized.

01:18:30.900 But in general you know, we, we should kind of give ourselves some, what's the word grace

01:18:38.780 and sort of I guess even patience because I'm not patients.

01:18:43.100 That's not the right word, but this is pretty new.

01:18:46.920 Like we are a younger nation.

01:18:48.400 This is a crisis that we're going through.

01:18:50.180 It is a sort of pivotal, important time in our history when we're realizing, wow, white 1.00

01:18:56.400 Canadians got brainwashed into hating themselves and now any sort of collectivization is being

01:19:01.660 totally demonized and shut down and we get called terrorists and like, you know, more

01:19:05.460 and more people are waking up to this problem.

01:19:08.080 And sure, there's been Diagelon who's been leading the charge in many ways.

01:19:12.160 Shout out to Jeremy McKenzie and, and a ferryman and Derek once again.

01:19:16.220 That being said, there are more people are coming into the fold and seeing this problem.

01:19:19.960 And it is a matter of improving our tactics and improving our organization and, and trying

01:19:25.540 new things out and, and trying, uh, you know, to, unfortunately, and I'll, and like Diagelon

01:19:30.480 people might not like this, but like play the game because sometimes members of Diagelon

01:19:34.960 will say like, you know, screw that there is no political solution, blah, blah, blah.

01:19:38.960 And I always say to that, like, you know, there's no escaping politics guys.

01:19:43.020 Like, you know, even, even if there's an, an, a bomb is dropped tomorrow and we go into

01:19:46.400 like some pop apocalyptic future, there's going to be different factions of people who

01:19:51.060 are warring over resources and there's going to be need to be a leader that's picked and

01:19:54.980 there's going to need to be a massaging and sort of, um, you know, controlling and swaying

01:19:59.340 of a public opinion of who the leader is.

01:20:01.180 So it's always at play.

01:20:02.740 And, you know, like politics doesn't really change because politics is a reflection of

01:20:06.560 human nature and who's going to lead and blah, blah, blah.

01:20:08.860 But, um, you know, there needs to be an improvement of tactics.

01:20:13.940 And I don't mean anything really specific when I say that, but, um, I think there does

01:20:18.980 need to be a sort of, uh, letting go of resentment and anger and how much we're, we've been wronged

01:20:27.480 and how disadvantaged we are and sort of a sort of, um, you know, a, a, an approach, a long-term

01:20:36.240 approach that, um, is going to take hard work and it's going to take it, you know, it's going

01:20:40.860 to be a lifelong sort of endeavor.

01:20:42.680 I, I, I might imagine, you know, like I, I, I might be working at this my whole life

01:20:46.700 to hopefully leave something better for my children and, you know, maybe, maybe I'll

01:20:51.880 only be able to like plant a few seeds and, you know, the victory will help happen in

01:20:55.700 another lifetime.

01:20:56.860 But, um, there, there does need to be, um, cause you know, people will, I've seen, for

01:21:05.240 example, I'll use Ferryman as an example.

01:21:06.980 I haven't been watching his streams recently, but I caught one short clip and he was saying

01:21:10.900 something along the lines of like, look at this, look at this clip of, uh, Max Bernier

01:21:16.700 talking about the Humboldt, uh, um, bus crash.

01:21:21.500 And it, it's, it's not great.

01:21:24.460 It's really not like, it's like, I remember my first book report when I was reading my first

01:21:29.820 presentation ever. 0.99

01:21:30.700 It's like, dude, what the fuck, Max? 0.98

01:21:31.960 Like, you know, you gotta really bring it on this topic. 0.99

01:21:34.740 Like you gotta be a stronger speaker and I totally identify with what, um, with what

01:21:39.980 Ferryman saying, but here's the thing.

01:21:41.760 It's like, let's do it ourselves.

01:21:44.500 We got to do it ourselves.

01:21:46.180 We got to dress up in suits.

01:21:47.760 We got to be organized.

01:21:49.020 We got to do press conferences.

01:21:50.220 We got to, you know, push our political ideas and it's gotta be attractive.

01:21:53.880 It's, it's gotta look professional.

01:21:55.140 It's gotta be appealing to normal people because more and more normal people are opening up to

01:22:00.640 this.

01:22:00.800 And the reason I say like, let go of the resentment and let go of the hate is because

01:22:04.340 I am so butthurt and I can't even imagine Jeremy McKenzie is probably like the greatest

01:22:09.200 example of this, of how, how, uh, hurt and traumatized he must be of what's happened to

01:22:15.800 him for speaking out and trying to fight for his people.

01:22:18.580 He's been slandered, smeared, thrown in jail.

01:22:22.220 Friends betrayed him.

01:22:24.200 People have turned his back on him, all of this, blah, blah, blah.

01:22:26.960 And it's like, it's easier said than done, but it's like this, I, it's almost like when

01:22:33.240 you get called the bad man enough times, it's like unconsciously, we start to believe it.

01:22:38.920 And we actually need to like reject that and realize and forgive ourselves and forgive

01:22:44.000 even others who have slandered us and even forgive others who think that we're a bad man

01:22:48.320 and like, try to get over that.

01:22:49.900 So we can actually start participating in the game and start to win over hearts and minds

01:22:54.780 slowly, but surely.

01:22:55.840 Uh, cause I, I really don't think there's a silver bullet to solve this problem.

01:22:59.940 It's going to happen in the sneaky, snaky, weaselly, annoying, uh, pretentious world of

01:23:07.540 politics, whatever you want to call it.

01:23:09.000 But like, you know, they're, they're like, uh, there does need to be some sort of political

01:23:12.980 solution.

01:23:13.480 And I mean that as in like being organized, being professional, doing the white collar 0.87

01:23:17.460 work, showing up and, uh, you know, in, in, in a sense, having strategy, controlling your 0.97

01:23:23.260 message, all that annoying shit, as much as I, you know, criticize, uh, the conservative 0.93

01:23:27.420 party for, you know, being too strategic and stuff like there is elements of that, that 0.98

01:23:31.740 are important when it comes to advocating for our ideas.

01:23:35.480 And as I said, uh, winning hearts and minds.

01:23:38.800 So I do want to say that I, I, I don't think it's the, the diagonal guys don't have to do

01:23:46.040 it all.

01:23:46.840 They are a crucial part of the movement.

01:23:50.640 And I think they're doing a lot of great things and it looks like they're diversifying

01:23:55.700 themselves and taking different angles, but they don't need to be the ones that start

01:23:59.820 a political party.

01:24:00.620 They don't need to be the ones that put on suits and do all this stuff.

01:24:05.440 They can do their thing and they're pushing the Overton window and they're, they're doing

01:24:12.420 it their own way.

01:24:13.280 And they're making a big difference.

01:24:15.000 I think more people need to step up and do things in other ways to, to make for a more

01:24:22.500 comprehensive, well-rounded movement.

01:24:25.720 Uh, I don't think it's necessary to, to, to, you know, criticize them for, for not doing

01:24:32.900 everything.

01:24:33.340 Uh, they do lots and there's only so much time in a day.

01:24:37.180 Um, we need other folks to step up and start other groups and we can all work in concert

01:24:42.940 in a broader movement to, to make larger change in, in this country.

01:24:48.120 It doesn't all have to be the, the same guys.

01:24:50.540 Uh, yeah, we have, we all have our, our skill sets and we all have our different approaches.

01:24:56.320 Um, and we don't all have to, to, to punch each other and, and, and slam each other.

01:25:01.280 We can all just kind of work together in, in what we're, what we're best at.

01:25:06.380 Um, so just, um, some quick commentary on why the Indians have such an easy time gaming 0.98

01:25:14.700 the system and part of the, and I'm not going to go into a long historical tirade, but what

01:25:18.680 I will say, uh, is that they have lived under an intensely bureaucratic caste-based system

01:25:26.360 for 3,000 years.

01:25:28.360 They excel in complicated managerial systems in massive bureaucracies.

01:25:34.160 The only, it was like Henry Kissinger himself said it best to president Nixon.

01:25:39.240 They survive on flattery.

01:25:41.040 The only way, or one of the only ways to get any sort of social mobility in that civilization

01:25:46.080 for 3,000 years, uh, was through flattery.

01:25:49.620 It was through knowing the right people.

01:25:51.020 It was through gaming the system.

01:25:52.660 And consequently, they don't have a high trust culture.

01:25:55.520 So they don't feel or consider the long-term impact of the decisions that they make as a

01:26:01.560 collective group.

01:26:02.360 And this ruins their own environment.

01:26:04.840 So they have to go somewhere else where that is no longer a hindrance to any kind of upwards

01:26:09.020 mobility.

01:26:10.020 And that's why they're excelling.

01:26:11.440 That's number one.

01:26:12.080 And number two, which is Greg has pointed out and continues to point out that is very

01:26:16.260 important for people to remember is that Canadians have a ludicrously low level of civic 1.00

01:26:21.440 participation.

01:26:22.700 We don't have a tradition of it.

01:26:24.780 We don't involve ourselves in any kind of politics.

01:26:28.800 Uh, it's, you know, we, we wait for somebody local, municipal, provincial, federal, whatever

01:26:34.840 to say the things that we want to hear, uh, in which case they throw red meat and crumbs

01:26:40.200 in order to, to give people the illusion that something is happening in their favor.

01:26:44.440 Right.

01:26:44.920 But that's not actually what's going on.

01:26:47.080 Uh, so like there's all of these different avenues that are not being explored.

01:26:51.660 And, uh, Daniel sort of beat me to the punch when he said that everybody has these different

01:26:55.500 talents.

01:26:56.340 What Jeremy and Diagilon are doing is extremely important in that niche.

01:27:01.880 It is extremely important, uh, in their realm and to the audience that they speak to.

01:27:07.580 That doesn't mean it's going to work for everybody.

01:27:10.720 And as Daniel said, they, nor should they be expected to, that's just basic marketing,

01:27:14.960 right?

01:27:15.440 That being said, uh, I, I, you know, I, I really think that the solution here is greater

01:27:20.280 civic participation.

01:27:21.280 There's no reason that 50 people can't decide to storm a municipal politics quietly in little

01:27:29.120 group chats, the same way everybody else is doing, and then exchange things and then

01:27:33.300 preferential hiring, bring their own guys in who are trustworthy, uh, establish that

01:27:39.440 sense of loyalty on a local basis.

01:27:41.700 And also, uh, just to circle back when we talked about how the left doesn't involve themselves

01:27:46.580 the same way that right-wingers, I would actually disagree with that.

01:27:49.520 I would actually say that leftists excel very, very well at local and municipal politics.

01:27:54.740 They're very good at community organizing.

01:27:56.680 They're exceptionally good at it to the point where all of the urban epicenters are all leftist

01:28:00.940 controlled.

01:28:01.360 They're very good at that.

01:28:02.300 And that's also another, uh, an example of how it can be done.

01:28:05.920 So it can be done.

01:28:08.280 I actually do agree with you, Fortis X.

01:28:10.540 I know locally here, as an example, our last municipal election, all of the leftist candidates

01:28:17.340 were basically campaigning as a group, right?

01:28:20.940 Like they had, uh, they had recruited people and created a group of individuals that were all

01:28:27.620 leftist.

01:28:28.260 And we have like one guy on our city council that has any kind of right-wing view.

01:28:33.260 Well, that's just it.

01:28:37.940 So nobody, we, uh, no, I'll just quickly, you know, so like we don't have our own answer

01:28:42.760 to that.

01:28:43.460 And the response is to have our own answer, because if it's not us, it's the foreign diaspora

01:28:48.260 and their lobby groups going toe-to-toe with these leftists who take advantage of that and

01:28:53.500 or collaborate with them.

01:28:54.440 We don't have our guys.

01:28:55.440 So it's actually really just the right who doesn't participate in politics on top of having

01:29:00.080 a culture that does not prioritize civic participation.

01:29:03.780 Yeah.

01:29:04.540 And people, people find it hard to like conceive of what civic participation even looks like.

01:29:09.380 Like it's not just voting and it's not even just volunteering with your local candidate

01:29:14.820 that's most aligned to you.

01:29:17.380 Like it can be as simple as maintaining a community network.

01:29:21.640 Like when you, if you were to go to your, to talk to your local MP or MPP or council or

01:29:28.560 whatever, at the end of the day, you're just one person.

01:29:31.420 If you're bringing your own grievances, it's easy to just ignore you.

01:29:35.280 That problem.

01:29:35.860 That person probably didn't even vote for me anyways, and just move on.

01:29:39.160 But if you come and say, Hey, I have actually, you know, 50 friends, a hundred friends, 200

01:29:46.340 friends that all live in your electoral district and we meet once a month and we're all not

01:29:53.640 going to vote for you next time.

01:29:55.080 Like that's when people start paying attention.

01:29:58.400 That's when you have influence over, uh, you know, nomination contests where parties select

01:30:03.960 their candidates and who will represent them in the next election.

01:30:07.460 Like, and that's what these foreign diasporas have, right?

01:30:10.940 They're, they're organized often through their, their temples and their, their centers of

01:30:15.220 faith, uh, but also just through kind of ethnic, uh, local groups and stuff like this.

01:30:21.060 And when it comes to, Oh, the X, Y, Z politicians coming to this area, they can fill a room and

01:30:28.180 then they know that politician knows how to win these people over because their interests

01:30:34.720 are very obvious because they're organized around them.

01:30:37.460 Um, so like, this is how we maintain civic influence.

01:30:41.500 It's about being coordinated, even if it's just social groups with like, uh, a slight political

01:30:49.320 flair to them.

01:30:50.740 Um, there, there's, uh, there's levels to, to civic participation.

01:30:56.720 It's not, it's not just voting.

01:30:58.640 It's not just being involved with, uh, or, or directly criticizing politicians.

01:31:04.040 It's like, it's just, it's being organized and being ready to wield that organization,

01:31:10.540 uh, to demand, uh, political ends when it comes to, can you think of any examples from

01:31:16.260 the left Daniel, where it's like, they create a very sort of like low bar for entry, like

01:31:22.600 a very low bar for people to like civically engage with something?

01:31:26.800 Um, cause, cause you know, people, a lot, a lot of right winger libertarians like to just 1.00

01:31:31.600 like shit on the left and be like, Oh, they're so corrupt. 1.00

01:31:33.620 They're so stupid. 1.00

01:31:34.260 It's like, well, they actually do a lot of things very, very effectively in politics that 1.00

01:31:37.860 we should actually be stealing and using, um, to our own ends.

01:31:42.380 Um, soup kitchens.

01:31:43.360 Yeah, I think, yeah, exactly.

01:31:44.960 There's all sorts of like charitable organizations and volunteer groups and stuff, and they don't

01:31:50.140 have an explicit political bent to them, but they attract a certain type of people and

01:31:55.660 they act as hubs for these people to coordinate with them.

01:31:58.760 And as a result of, you know, wanting to do this sort of volunteer activity and stuff like

01:32:03.960 this, they, they attract people of a certain political bent, which happens to be, you know,

01:32:10.480 left leading.

01:32:13.040 So there's, there's not to mention, there's all sorts of non, uh, NGOs, non-for-profits that

01:32:18.640 kind of work on towards, uh, you know, leftist, uh, uh, multiculturalist ends, uh, that, you

01:32:29.160 know, develop their own networks and, uh, and stuff that again, again, that aren't directly

01:32:34.060 political, but that attract communities that are generally politically aligned, uh, in

01:32:40.480 and they, you know, foment into, into networks that can, uh, work together as a, as a, as,

01:32:47.440 as a union.

01:32:49.040 Uh, but the most obvious are just these, these ethnic groups, uh, which are arguably the biggest

01:32:54.940 problem.

01:32:56.040 Can I just make, I just wanted to actually ask, because I've heard Ferryman talk about

01:32:59.580 this, and I think he's up here as a speaker now, and I don't know if he's able to speak

01:33:03.560 or not, but I, I have heard him talk about how the left is much more effective in this

01:33:07.860 regard, and I don't know if you have anything to add, Ferry, if you can talk.

01:33:18.260 I mean, the, the left is more effective because they've been doing this for 60 plus years.

01:33:27.480 Um, the slow, like, we, we forget that this didn't happen overnight.

01:33:32.060 It was a slow march through the institutions and a lot of their organizations and these

01:33:40.960 little nodes are things that have deep roots in, you know, the 1960s cultural revolution

01:33:47.900 that went on throughout the entire Western world.

01:33:50.840 Meanwhile, our institutions on the right, um, you know, traditionally things like lions

01:33:56.500 clubs, legion halls, um, things like the kinsmen or the elks, these, these groups that were

01:34:03.780 traditionally more right-leaning, uh, every, uh, institutional religion, or at least Christian

01:34:10.740 religion, um, all of these things are waning and have been for decades.

01:34:18.500 We didn't upkeep these things.

01:34:20.760 And so that's why like, like 40 and Daniel are correct when they say like, we need to

01:34:26.620 rebuild these institutions.

01:34:27.740 And it's not as simple as just, oh, well, we all need to become members of the legion or

01:34:33.320 something like that.

01:34:34.200 Although maybe that is an idea, but I tend to think that saving those kinds of institutions

01:34:40.540 is probably not worth your time at this point.

01:34:43.920 And building new ones that emulate what these things were supposed to be is a better way to

01:34:49.720 go about it.

01:34:50.940 That's how I look at it.

01:34:52.600 So if you want to spend your time trying to, um, you know, infiltrate the boomer infested 1.00

01:34:58.740 legion, go for it. 0.99

01:35:00.320 I wouldn't waste my time personally.

01:35:02.780 Um, if you want to, uh, get involved in your local, if you're Christian, like, yeah, maybe

01:35:08.540 it makes sense to get involved in one of your local, you know, church.

01:35:11.500 I know, I do know people who have done this and had great success doing it, which is just

01:35:16.260 they're Christian.

01:35:17.360 They become a member of a church community.

01:35:19.920 They, you know, it's just, it's just actual community living again.

01:35:23.460 Right.

01:35:23.720 So like, I don't know.

01:35:24.800 I think that's at least part of it is we've abandoned these kinds of non-government institutions

01:35:30.380 that we used to use as vehicles for our political movement.

01:35:33.920 And the left spent that time while ours were deteriorating, building their own.

01:35:39.420 And that's things like, I mean, we, we underestimate too.

01:35:42.440 I think this got brought up a little bit, but it's a cope from our side, but understanding

01:35:48.320 that, um, the left has every advantage at this point as well, when it comes to this kind

01:35:53.820 of organization is something like that they'll use entire unions to, to promote their causes.

01:36:01.220 Like they're like, I mean, it's overstated a little bit by, um, the right, like this is

01:36:07.900 something like a conservative will complain about a lot, which is like, oh, well, these

01:36:11.880 are paid protesters.

01:36:13.380 Yeah.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, they are.

01:36:14.780 Some of them, um, for sure.

01:36:16.600 They're, they're using the QP.

01:36:19.200 They're using, uh, different, uh, unions.

01:36:22.040 They're using different, uh, they're using the bureaucracy of the government itself.

01:36:27.720 Yeah, they are doing all these things.

01:36:29.220 And so, but the answer to that is not, woe is me.

01:36:32.340 What can I do?

01:36:33.280 Like all the odds are stacked against me.

01:36:35.380 The, the response to that is we need to work way harder than they are.

01:36:40.100 Like, and that's, that's maybe the crux of it.

01:36:43.100 We aren't working hard enough. 0.98

01:36:45.860 We, we bitch a lot. 1.00

01:36:47.700 People are very well educated. 0.97

01:36:49.320 They're very knowledgeable about what's going on in terms of information, but in terms of actually

01:36:56.320 doing the work, yeah, there's not that much of that going on.

01:36:59.560 Um, and I think the testament to that is we've spent, we're five years since COVID right

01:37:05.700 started, which was where a lot of people really got activated for the first time.

01:37:11.860 And they really started paying attention.

01:37:13.380 Like that's when I became animated and stopped just being a passive observer.

01:37:17.900 But what have we actually built in that five years?

01:37:21.020 There's a lot of people that are pissed off and repeating the same things over and over

01:37:25.060 again, but very few of them are actually engaged in anything.

01:37:28.600 And that's why like, I spent the last close to three years saying that like, we need to

01:37:34.220 like, we can't do another convoy.

01:37:36.540 Like, it's not just going to happen where, you know, everybody show up here on this day

01:37:41.120 and everything will be fixed.

01:37:42.700 Like, that's not going to work.

01:37:43.960 It's not going to work in an election and it's not going to work in a protest.

01:37:47.060 You have to actually start collectivizing, pooling resources, finding the people who have

01:37:53.220 the talent to run, run these kinds of organizations and specializing.

01:37:57.900 That's another thing too, is like a lot of the organizations that do exist, they don't

01:38:02.600 specialize in anything.

01:38:04.400 They're, they're very generic kind of, we disagree with X, Y, Z, A, B, C, we're pro,

01:38:15.000 you know, D, E, F, you know, this type of stuff.

01:38:18.300 But, but what we need is, you know, a group that's going to focus solely on whatever immigration,

01:38:25.660 we need groups that are going to focus solely on the LGBT insanity. 1.00

01:38:31.580 We need groups that are going to focus on, you know, collectivizing young men, like getting, 0.99

01:38:39.760 getting our youth activated.

01:38:41.180 That's another thing too, that the left is way better at than us.

01:38:44.340 There's a reason why they go after the youth and there's a whole bunch of disenfranchised,

01:38:50.640 particularly young white men out there right now.

01:38:53.420 And there's nothing being offered to them.

01:38:56.000 You know, who is offering them something, the revolutionary communist party and Antifa

01:39:01.240 and all these are, they're offering them something to join.

01:39:05.040 They may not be a good thing, but at least it's being offered to them.

01:39:08.800 We're offering them what?

01:39:11.100 You're going to join the young conservatives.

01:39:12.660 Like, is that, you're going to join next generation PPC.

01:39:17.060 It's not something that typically is attractive to a, you know, a hot headed young man.

01:39:22.060 And, you know, I'll end on this.

01:39:23.520 There's a politician out of Belgium, Driz van Langenhoeven.

01:39:27.920 And some of you are probably familiar with him because he's got a very highly publicized court case

01:39:34.900 ongoing, but he managed to get elected to the Belgian parliament by operating a chain of boxing gyms.

01:39:45.200 Like that's, that was his model.

01:39:47.180 He, he found the disenfranchised youth.

01:39:50.140 He started bringing them in and training and he rode that movement to parliament.

01:39:54.780 So like this idea that, you know, it has to be done.

01:39:58.880 The other thing I was going to mention too is the reason I was thumbs downing Greg is because I actually wholeheartedly disagree.

01:40:04.900 I don't think this battle is going to be won in the shadows sneakily by playing politics and all this stuff.

01:40:12.460 That's maybe my personality and my mindset.

01:40:14.980 I think you win this battle by being truthful and front facing and unapologetic and not playing politics

01:40:22.560 and playing to people's romantic side more than their pragmatic political side.

01:40:28.440 I think that's how you actually get people engaged in the fight.

01:40:32.180 And I think that's been proven to be the case.

01:40:34.120 It's not money that's motivating people to get involved in this.

01:40:38.160 It's not, you know, political power or stuff like this.

01:40:41.920 It's fear about what is going to happen to them and their kids.

01:40:46.400 It's anger about what is being done to their society.

01:40:50.560 It's a very emotion is a much more powerful motivator than logic and reason.

01:40:55.800 So I'll just, I'll end on that.

01:40:57.940 Thank you, Ferry.

01:40:58.820 And I, uh, my, my point I was bringing up there was more so to speak to the people who

01:41:06.140 totally reject politics as a whole, like, you know, any type of, you know, there is no

01:41:11.000 solution whatsoever.

01:41:11.640 Like, you know, there's no point in anything.

01:41:13.340 You know, my only point there was like, even, even with your example of the guy who run ran

01:41:19.220 boxing gyms, I'm sure he employed some sort of political strategy.

01:41:23.460 I'm sure he had to like do other things than just like speak with conviction and honesty

01:41:27.540 at a microphone. 0.97

01:41:28.500 Like, I'm sure there's a lot of other annoying bullshit that he's had to navigate, uh, to 0.98

01:41:33.140 become, you know, the leader of that country. 0.99

01:41:35.880 Right.

01:41:36.180 Um, and I guess that's kind of like where that was coming from is to sort of, he's not

01:41:41.720 the leader.

01:41:42.220 He was like a representative at, uh, I think a regional level, but again, it's just an,

01:41:47.360 uh, example of, uh, non-conventional politics being used to popularize your ideas and to

01:41:56.700 get you a base of political power.

01:41:59.200 So like the idea that you're going to appeal to people by like, again, like it's a very

01:42:04.900 different strategy than something that is typical of Canada.

01:42:08.180 Cause typically in Canada, you talk to people about money and what you're going to get if

01:42:13.720 you vote for this party and you know, how this party has a better tax policy or environmental

01:42:20.380 policy or anything like that.

01:42:21.880 And then here's this guy who's like, um, come learn to fight and, and get active and get

01:42:28.160 engaged in your community and, you know, we're going to take this country back.

01:42:32.140 Like it's a very different approach to politics.

01:42:34.520 And that's why I say, I think romanticism is a much more powerful approach to politics

01:42:39.620 in 2025 than pragmatism.

01:42:42.240 I think people are tired of pragmatism.

01:42:44.440 I think they're tired of politics.

01:42:46.500 I think they want emotion.

01:42:48.180 They want passion.

01:42:49.340 They want raw, uh, thrill.

01:42:53.100 Yeah, no, I, I'd agree with that.

01:42:54.900 I think my only point was to, uh, again, kind of encourage people to realize like, it's

01:43:01.480 going to take work.

01:43:02.380 It's going to take organization.

01:43:03.640 It's going to take some form of pragmatism and strategy to, you know, build a boxing gym

01:43:08.940 or what have you.

01:43:10.140 Um, yeah.

01:43:12.380 But, uh, I, I do have a topic that I think might be interesting, uh, to go around the round

01:43:17.180 table, which is, um, for people like us, for people who are, you know, further right

01:43:22.440 or what have you, who are passionate about this, what do you think, um, what do you think

01:43:27.820 is going to be the best outcome in this election for people like us?

01:43:31.660 Do you think it'll be better if Polly Ev wins?

01:43:34.580 Do you think it's going to be better if Carney wins?

01:43:37.660 Uh, I kind of made a post earlier about this just to kind of get started off, which is,

01:43:42.220 um, I actually think it'll be worse if Polly Ev wins. 0.96

01:43:45.580 Because I think there's going to be this sort of fake victory and we're going to feel like,

01:43:50.880 yes, we're, we're, we're a conservative country now.

01:43:53.780 And then a lot of people will get, you know, some, some financial kickbacks or economic

01:43:57.600 kickbacks with, with tax cuts and that sort of thing.

01:43:59.820 And then a whole bunch of right-wing people will become disengaged.

01:44:03.780 They'll get back on the couch and they'll say, everything is fine.

01:44:06.380 And then on top of that, we now have, uh, multicultural post-nationalism under Polly Ev

01:44:13.700 becoming canon for being a conservative.

01:44:17.640 You know, this guy wears turbans constantly.

01:44:19.600 He's basically Mr. Dressed Up 2.0.

01:44:21.800 And if he wins, especially if he has a decisive victory, it's going to be like Polly Ev post-nationalism

01:44:27.660 as that's what being conservative is.

01:44:30.040 And of course, once again, immigration is off the table.

01:44:32.320 Whereas if Spooky Carney wins, uh, I think that's going to activate right-wingers more

01:44:37.780 than ever.

01:44:38.160 And it's going to kind of like break the spell that this sort of Polly Ev, uh, you know,

01:44:43.380 this, this cowardly approach to being a conservative definitely does not work.

01:44:48.180 But, uh, I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on that on, uh, in terms of what the outcome

01:44:52.500 might be in the election.

01:44:55.400 Um, so I think I'm going to not pay attention to that anymore.

01:45:00.480 Um, and I think Ferry said it best, like, let's not go on the defense anymore.

01:45:05.920 Let's go on the offense.

01:45:06.920 I think I'm going to concentrate on, um, like, I don't care who wins, to be honest, everyone

01:45:12.020 loses no matter who wins.

01:45:14.140 So I think I'm just going to concentrate on building community, um, supporting the men

01:45:20.200 who are currently doing, uh, their own thing and building up, um, groups within their own

01:45:28.300 communities, uh, in preparation for the people for the inevitable fallout when they realize

01:45:34.440 that Polly Ev isn't their guy or Carney isn't their guy.

01:45:37.820 Um, I think we should spend time concentrating on community and doing the same thing we're

01:45:44.420 doing now, if not even harder.

01:45:48.940 Yeah, definitely don't disagree with that.

01:45:51.100 Um, me, I don't know.

01:45:52.220 I, I think that you're right in the terms of if Pierre wins, everybody just like, cause

01:45:58.460 they already ignore everything about him that isn't conservative.

01:46:02.240 So if he wins, they'll just see that as a win and I don't know, part of me also wants

01:46:08.200 to see certain people cry when he loses and maybe finally they can realize that the conservative 1.00

01:46:14.060 party is weak as shit. 1.00

01:46:18.480 It literally doesn't make a difference. 1.00

01:46:20.680 Like you can say that, oh, people will be disengaged if, if Pierre wins.

01:46:26.240 Okay.

01:46:26.400 What if Pierre loses and he sticks around as winner, then we're going to have the exact same

01:46:31.060 thing.

01:46:31.340 No, we just need to hold our nose and get Pierre in because it's a little bit better.

01:46:35.180 Like it, like there's minor benefits and drawbacks to both.

01:46:39.680 The reality is both of them are upholding the, the post-national multicultural status quo.

01:46:47.100 And that's all that really matters to our, our movement.

01:46:52.180 So, uh, I completely agree with Lee.

01:46:54.880 We need to be focused on what we're already doing.

01:46:57.000 Um, building community, building, uh, working towards an actual opposition, uh, actual coordination,

01:47:07.640 uh, to push forward our actually different worldview and, uh, vision for the future of this country.

01:47:16.200 Uh, it, it's completely irrelevant, uh, who wins and who loses on April 28th in my view.

01:47:24.640 Do you want to go Ferry?

01:47:29.520 You got your hand up, right?

01:47:31.980 Yeah.

01:47:32.900 Um, I don't, I think Daniel's right.

01:47:37.640 It says like in Lee as well, it doesn't really make a difference.

01:47:40.820 However, um, it's not that it doesn't make a difference.

01:47:47.780 It's that it doesn't make a big difference, but the question is to, um, who is best for us.

01:47:56.760 I guess that depends on who you are.

01:47:58.860 If you're a PPC supporter, I think honestly, you want the CPC to win for very obvious practical

01:48:09.520 reasons, um, which is you're never going to win a seat, even unless the CPC wins, you

01:48:18.200 will never beat the CPC in this country unless the, they win again.

01:48:23.200 Um, so like, I mean, I talked about this a long time ago, I think I did like years ago

01:48:29.960 when I had the debate with pleb and I took on the PPC position, I said like that one of

01:48:34.720 the arguments in favor of the CPC, even as a PPC year is that you kind of want them to

01:48:41.560 win.

01:48:41.780 Like it's kind of a necessary step on the path that you eventually being able to get some,

01:48:47.700 some momentum in this country.

01:48:50.860 If you're an American unionist or, you know, a separatist, a Western separatist, like if

01:48:57.340 you're a 51st stater or something like that, you probably want Carney to win.

01:49:01.700 Like if you understand that the CPC is, is no better than the liberals and bad, you, you

01:49:06.780 probably want Carney to win. 0.97

01:49:08.300 And that's the interesting thing about Carney winning is the amount of fucking chaos it's 0.96

01:49:13.440 going to cause because Western separatism will reach a fever pitch. 0.95

01:49:18.640 It will go towards the, it'll start resembling separatism in Quebec for sure.

01:49:23.620 Even though I don't think it's a serious political movement.

01:49:26.200 I think that, um, another liberal victory will push a lot of Albertans over the edge and they

01:49:32.020 will become 51st staters or actual Western separatists.

01:49:36.560 Like it'll no longer be, um, you know, a throwaway joke.

01:49:40.860 It'll be something that people actually start taking seriously and you might actually see

01:49:44.980 legitimate political movements come out of a Carney victory.

01:49:48.940 Um, if you're, uh, the other thing is like, you'll have, um, probably a lot of people trying

01:49:54.460 to get out of the country, um, as a re just because as a reaction to it, you'll have a lot

01:50:00.460 of people leaving provinces like Ontario and, uh, the Maritimes moving to Alberta because

01:50:06.420 they're, they're fed up.

01:50:08.500 Um, you'll have, um, this absolute, the, the, if the conservatives lose again, I don't

01:50:15.440 know what's going to happen to that party.

01:50:17.080 Like, what are you going to do?

01:50:18.580 Um, because Pierre is your best chance of beating them.

01:50:21.800 And if you can't beat them with, with him, what do you do?

01:50:24.760 Do you pick another Andrew Scheer, another Aaron O'Toole?

01:50:28.000 Like what, what are you hoping to achieve?

01:50:30.420 Like the damage it would do to the conservative party internally, I think would be massive.

01:50:35.680 Um, the effects of, um, like the, the annoying thing about a Carney victory would be, we're

01:50:45.060 going to have to sit through another four years of the PPC and the CPC arguing about

01:50:50.360 vote splitting.

01:50:51.080 Um, that argument will just continue indefinitely for another four years, basically exactly what

01:50:56.160 just happened in the previous four years.

01:50:57.820 They just argued back and forth about who the real conservatives are and, um, how we

01:51:03.360 can't split the vote and it's going to destroy the country.

01:51:05.940 Like the chaos of a car, I I'm kind of rooting for it just because it'll be so entertaining

01:51:11.240 watching all these different factions go, go to, uh, after each other.

01:51:15.240 However, I think that unlike Greg, I actually think for us, for me as a nationalist of the

01:51:22.680 ethno persuasion, um, probably a Pierre victory is better for us because, um, unlike the liberals,

01:51:36.060 if the CPC continues funding my enemies like anti-hate, um, it's going to look terrible for

01:51:43.440 them and that's something that we can use and just beat that drum over and over.

01:51:47.760 Look at here.

01:51:48.780 Here's the conservative party of Canada funding Antifa, basically.

01:51:54.000 Um, if they continue dumping money into left-wing media, which I don't think they will, but if

01:51:59.200 they did, that would be damning.

01:52:01.140 If they, uh, try to pass hate speech legislation, it's going to come across as a lot more, um,

01:52:08.840 uh, damning than it would if the liberals continue with the hate speech legislation.

01:52:14.760 So like from a practical standpoint, I, I personally want the CPC victory because I think it'll be

01:52:23.400 better for us to operate in that environment and them cracking down on active clubs and nationalist

01:52:29.780 organizations is going to be a lot more politically, um, uh, difficult for them to do without,

01:52:37.740 you know, damning themselves is basically leftist, but the, the, the entertainment side of me wants

01:52:45.740 the Cardi victory just because I know it's going to be so much fun.

01:52:48.680 It's going to be so much fun just watching the fallout from it.

01:52:51.560 So I don't really, again, I don't really care, but I do think it does matter.

01:52:55.380 It, whoever wins is going to like, it will be a big difference depending on who wins to,

01:53:02.060 to you at the personal level, depending on what your persuasion is.

01:53:05.400 Um, not ultimately for the country of Canada, but to individual groups, it does make a big

01:53:11.080 difference.

01:53:13.120 So that's, that's where I say, like, I'm only watching this election in the same sense that

01:53:17.760 I'm going to sit down and watch WrestleMania this weekend.

01:53:20.300 It's just entertainment to me.

01:53:22.600 And, you know, like I do, I absolutely agree with the point that if, if conservatives win,

01:53:29.280 there is a chance that they can potentially be exposed a little, the only real question

01:53:34.440 is though, is, I mean, do their supporters actually pay attention to it or not anymore?

01:53:39.900 Cause I mean, we've, we've shown them a lot, like I've shown a few people, a lot of things

01:53:44.840 and they just either ignore it completely and just give the, got to get the libs out or

01:53:50.860 just don't even really respond.

01:53:53.160 The, the other thing too, that I disagree with, I don't know if it was it Greg who said

01:53:57.780 this, or I think it was Greg who said, um, the idea that if the CPC wins, you're going

01:54:04.640 to get a lot of Canadian right-wing people who just kind of disengage from politics and

01:54:09.420 kind of stop paying attention.

01:54:10.940 I think this is a, something that happens to us because we live in a political echo chamber

01:54:17.360 where we have this idea that, um, people are super engaged in politics and they're paying

01:54:24.620 attention because of what's going on and that all of a sudden, you know, they're going to

01:54:28.780 stop paying attention because somebody wins and now it's fixed.

01:54:32.500 I don't think that's true.

01:54:34.320 I think the people who pay attention to politics will always pay attention to politics.

01:54:38.600 At least they may be not as much as they do, um, like during an election or something like

01:54:43.780 that, but the 10 to 15% of the population that's, that's actually paying attention to

01:54:49.280 what's going on in politics, even to like a, a, a minor extent, they always will.

01:54:54.420 And the 85 to 90% of the population who don't pay attention to politics until, you know, it's

01:55:00.220 election time, or they look at their tax return.

01:55:03.120 Um, they're the ones who are, they're not paying attention at all already.

01:55:07.880 Like, like the idea that they're, they're, they're engaged right now and, you know, suddenly

01:55:12.720 they're going to no longer be engaged if the conservative wins, uh, win is I think incorrect.

01:55:18.500 I think that they're, they're really not paying attention.

01:55:21.320 They just, they made it, they maybe don't like Trudeau, but they're really not that engaged.

01:55:26.360 Um, and so the idea, like, again, there's this falseness of like, even if they are engaged,

01:55:31.780 there's a sizable portion of the people who are paying attention to politics who aren't 0.75

01:55:35.820 actually fucking doing anything. 0.93

01:55:37.880 So like, they're, they, they may be watching what's going on in politics. 0.98

01:55:41.400 They may be consuming the content, but they're not actually involved in, they're not canvassing

01:55:46.540 for the PPC.

01:55:47.840 They're not joining, you know, some kind of nationalist organization.

01:55:51.360 They're not involved in, uh, you know, their local town councils or anything like that. 0.99

01:55:55.600 They're on fucking Twitter and watching podcasts. 0.97

01:55:58.980 Like that's the level of engagement that you're getting from most of the people who are 0.99

01:56:03.500 quote unquote, engaged in politics.

01:56:05.740 So the idea that like, there's some huge difference because the CPC wins and everybody goes back

01:56:13.440 to sleep.

01:56:14.000 I think that's not a correct, um, you know, description of, of the, uh, the circumstances.

01:56:24.100 I'll give my two cents.

01:56:29.220 Honestly, I think this is a wild card and I'm with Ferryman in the idea that the Joaquin

01:56:36.020 Phoenix in me would really like Kearney to win just because it would be an absolute catastrophe.

01:56:41.440 Uh, the right in my view would most likely be shattered.

01:56:45.540 The mainstream right in Canada would be completely shattered.

01:56:48.400 This would have marked the fourth time in a row that they've lost an election after swapping

01:56:52.840 out three, three different candidates.

01:56:56.100 I think that the UCP would go apeshit.

01:56:59.320 I also agree with Ferry that there is a very serious chance that for the first time ever

01:57:03.920 in Canadian history, that an actual Western separatist movement, uh, gathers any kind of

01:57:10.060 steam.

01:57:11.580 And I also think the same might occur in Quebec because the liberal party tried to overstep

01:57:18.100 Francois Legault when it came to settling immigrants in the province.

01:57:23.320 And the only thing keeping them chained to the federal liberals while being provincial separatists

01:57:28.100 or autonomous is all of that money.

01:57:31.420 So if they're no longer a voting demographic that the LPC or the Canadian government, uh, even

01:57:36.480 considers anymore, there's really nothing for them to stay in.

01:57:41.240 Uh, there, there's no, you know, there's, there's no reason to stay within the confederation.

01:57:45.800 The PQ is already talking about replacing immigrants with AI and robotics and leaving

01:57:52.540 confederation.

01:57:53.260 And that's kind of on their, on their ticket.

01:57:56.020 Uh, at the same time, uh, I don't know.

01:57:59.000 It's weird.

01:57:59.460 I'm not a, I'm not an accelerationist.

01:58:01.220 I don't believe that things getting worse necessarily makes them better or wakes people

01:58:05.560 up.

01:58:05.780 If you want an example of how that doesn't work, look at South Africa.

01:58:09.040 There's no shortage of boers in South Africa who think that everything's fine. 1.00

01:58:12.900 Uh, even though they're being systemically eradicated from that country, a country that 1.00

01:58:17.420 they founded, there's no shortage of leftists in that country who are, who are fine with

01:58:21.580 what's going on.

01:58:23.080 Um, I think there's a certain degree of pressure that makes people ask questions, a certain

01:58:28.100 degree of pressure that, uh, that radicalizes them.

01:58:30.760 Um, but if it's too little or too much, it doesn't have any kind of effect.

01:58:35.460 I think that Greg is somewhat correct when he says that there's a chance that a lot of

01:58:40.340 the more recently activated, so to speak, people will think that their immediate problems

01:58:46.160 are being solved.

01:58:46.840 And I am concerned that federal multiculturalism, not just from the left, but also from the mainstream

01:58:52.440 right will become solidified in sort of the consciousness and in the, the, uh, the political

01:58:57.760 sphere of the sort of normie voter.

01:59:00.640 Um, now I do also agree that the majority of people do not really care.

01:59:05.140 And the most, most people who are quote engaged in politics are really just consuming content.

01:59:10.020 So they're not really politically active.

01:59:12.020 They don't really, I don't know, they don't do marches.

01:59:14.440 They don't go to the political party events.

01:59:17.000 They may not even really pay memberships.

01:59:19.400 Uh, so that handful of people who are interested in politics will continue to be in, you know,

01:59:23.800 that sizable number of people, I'd say 30 to 40% who are just totally apathetic will continue

01:59:28.700 to be apathetic.

01:59:30.140 That said, I think that both of the candidates, I think both Carney and Polly have a number of pressures 0.97

01:59:37.420 under their ass that are going to shift things and they both have them. 0.96

01:59:42.720 And those pressures are stabilizing the country. 0.99

01:59:46.180 Carney has no choice.

01:59:47.800 Uh, he's positioning as an outsider.

01:59:50.340 If he doesn't attempt to stabilize the confederation, Alberta and Quebec are going to leave.

01:59:55.560 If Polly have doesn't attempt to stabilize the confederation, both Alberta and Quebec are

02:00:00.340 going to try and leave.

02:00:01.700 So there is room and opportunity for concessions, uh, but mostly in Polly have.

02:00:07.060 And I think that objectively speaking, uh, Polly of victory may offer the opportunity to

02:00:13.160 browbeat the CPC, even if there's the risk that a lot of those recently activated people

02:00:18.540 are no longer, um, as Ferryman said, you know, having the state not come after people for

02:00:25.440 expressing verboten ideas, you know, there's, there may be an angle that could be played

02:00:29.380 there, exposing them for supporting mass immigration.

02:00:31.800 That can be an angle.

02:00:33.120 That's an in there's, there's, I don't know, but it depends.

02:00:35.680 There's opportunity all around.

02:00:36.820 It's a wild card.

02:00:37.960 There's also opportunities in Kearney.

02:00:40.080 It, it all depends on what side of the aisle you sit on.

02:00:44.060 How local are you active or sorry, how active are you with a local group?

02:00:47.220 Do you have anything going?

02:00:48.520 Are you a Quebec separatist?

02:00:49.760 Are you an Alberta separatist?

02:00:51.180 Are you a federalist?

02:00:52.460 Right.

02:00:52.720 It all depends.

02:00:53.520 It all depends on, on sort of where you are and where you orient yourself.

02:00:56.560 But I do think, I do think the CPC, um, is absolutely over.

02:01:03.660 Like, I think they're totally finished if they lose this.

02:01:08.220 Yeah.

02:01:08.660 I, I, I gotta, I gotta, yeah, I gotta run here real quick.

02:01:12.540 So I'll just, um, share my last few comments.

02:01:14.760 Uh, I'm just really blackpilled on the, uh, the conservative party of Canada guys.

02:01:20.940 You know, when I was doing my research on bill C 63 and how they were fighting back to save free speech, they were actually just presenting their own version of the online harms act, which would actually, um, make a direct line between online posts and criminal harassment.

02:01:37.920 They wanted to apply criminal harassment more easily to comments or things posted online.

02:01:43.940 So, uh, and on top of that, you know, we're almost like spoiled right now as right wingers who could be like, Hey, look at, look at the liberal party.

02:01:54.320 Look how corrupt they are there. 0.93

02:01:55.980 You know, look at all the, the nonsense they're up to. 0.96

02:01:59.340 And a lot of right wing people would totally agree with that.

02:02:01.860 If Paul Yev gets in picture the whole, like him eating an apple thing, picture him saying Canada first and how much that placated concerned right wing Canadians.

02:02:12.800 They were like, wow, he's so amazing.

02:02:14.840 He's so great.

02:02:15.740 He's going to save us.

02:02:17.560 And, you know, let's not pay attention to him wearing turbans.

02:02:21.420 Let's not pay attention to him being post-nationalist before.

02:02:23.960 So that's just him when he's campaigning when he's actually in parliament.

02:02:28.300 And let's remind ourselves, we have not had a conservative government for like a decade.

02:02:33.920 So it's, it's, you know, let's see what they're capable of in terms of, you know, subterfuge and misrepresentation.

02:02:40.060 But essentially like what a leading party can do is they can take those little like breadcrumbs of him eating the apple or him saying Canada first.

02:02:47.280 And they can like create these like hollow policy decisions and these big sort of grandstanding things that like, that looks so effective and looks so good for the country and so conservative.

02:02:58.620 But when you look into it, it's actually doesn't serve the people at all.

02:03:02.160 And, you know, that can manifest in many different ways, but, you know, a worst case scenario would be that Paliyev gets in. 0.70

02:03:11.300 He also has already said, by the way, that he really supports Israel bombing Iran and he thinks it would be a gift to the world. 0.92

02:03:18.060 You know, take that, take his alliance with Ezra Levant, who wants to, quote unquote, deport Hamas.

02:03:23.180 Take the fact that Trump is already prioritizing deporting anti-Semites in America, and it's like now you have speech laws against people who criticize Israel and Canada.

02:03:33.400 Sure, you could say that's a stretch.

02:03:34.820 You could say like, what are you talking about?

02:03:36.240 But like that's, I really don't think that's that far fetched based on the allegiances of Pierre Paliyev.

02:03:43.900 And again, with the sort of sway of how they've kind of been priming the right wing with Ezra Levant and Rebel News so far.

02:03:50.900 That's more of a worst case scenario, but that's kind of like, that's kind of where I'm at in terms of being like the worst of the worst case in terms of being blackpilled and that sort of thing.

02:03:59.660 And let's face it, man, like anyone from anywhere can do anything.

02:04:04.380 It doesn't matter your background, blood place or birthplace.

02:04:09.680 You know, like this is going to be the new prime minister.

02:04:12.160 Like it'll be a, it'll be a faker and gayer version of Trudeau, except we're going to be told it's conservative. 0.99

02:04:19.560 I do agree exactly with what Ferry said that most people don't give a shit about politics. 0.94

02:04:25.100 However, Fortisac's kind of covered that point, I think, which is there definitely, I've definitely seen more people come into the fold, you know, and that's like anecdotally on my own personal life. 0.84

02:04:35.500 But also just in terms of like content creators who are more out, like who are popping up and actually getting involved or getting like getting political.

02:04:44.900 And I just worry that, you know, I said we were spoiled with Trudeau as in like people are aware of the hypocrisy.

02:04:52.200 They're aware of the corruption.

02:04:53.540 They already know, they already doubt, they already think the worst of the worst of this liberal government.

02:04:58.140 Like we're starting with a perceived new slate with the conservative government. 1.00

02:05:03.060 So there's going to be a new chance for like new fake and gay bullshit, a new brand of fake and gay bullshit. 1.00

02:05:08.500 That's going to like just be so much more work to try and like realize people how they're being tricked or lied to by this new, you know, the new blue team that just got installed. 0.99

02:05:17.240 So, but anyway, thanks for having me, guys.

02:05:19.900 I got to duck out here.

02:05:21.140 But Greg, if you got to go, you got to go.

02:05:24.220 But I just think it's funny because doesn't the fact that the liberals are potentially going to win this election and clawing their way back into it, doesn't that prove that people aren't waking up?

02:05:38.700 Like doesn't that in itself just kind of show you how little people are paying attention?

02:05:43.460 The fact that after everything they've done for 10 years and for how pissed off people were with the liberals, all it took for them to abandon that hatred was my Trump man's tariffs.

02:05:56.040 Like that's it.

02:05:57.140 That's all it that's all it took for for the conservatives to blow a 20 point lead like that.

02:06:04.040 30, 30.

02:06:05.500 What it doesn't it doesn't whatever it was, it was insane.

02:06:08.100 And it's basically either gone or almost gone.

02:06:12.600 So what happened, like, how can we say that people are waking up and, you know, they're going to go back to sleep if they went back to sleep the moment, you know, Trump was a chauvinist for 30 seconds.

02:06:27.000 Like that's all it took.

02:06:28.860 And how does Pierre in any way represent people waking up? 0.99

02:06:33.540 Like he he talks about fucking housing being expensive and stuff like this. 0.97

02:06:39.300 Like, but never the reason he's hardly even a step in the right direction. 0.99

02:06:43.720 He never talks about the reason why it's expensive, though.

02:06:47.040 Yeah, exactly.

02:06:48.180 Uh, like he's he's hardly a step in the right direction.

02:06:52.260 I don't think it's representative of people waking up like he's he's been effective at talking towards some people, some people's insecurities that were not getting addressed enough.

02:07:07.020 Uh, like specifically talking about housing getting more expensive, but like, I, I don't, I don't view that as people becoming more right wing, like he still thoroughly operates within the liberal multiculturalist framework.

02:07:24.300 And I don't even think him winning would represent the conservative party becoming that like the party, the conservative party has been that for the last 40 years.

02:07:37.020 Like the, this battle was like the, this battle was the battle for liberalism in Canada was thoroughly won in the 80s when Brian Mulroney formed the largest majority government in the history of the country.

02:07:53.800 Uh, uh, uh, like Pierre doesn't cement that any more than the last few leaders have.

02:08:02.140 Uh, so I, I, I don't think there's a huge difference between the two.

02:08:07.480 I don't think that either of them winning makes a huge difference to the nationalist movement.

02:08:13.400 Uh, it, it, it's going to change finicky things about how we, how we do things and, and our little strategies that might be, uh, more or less effective.

02:08:24.400 Uh, but on the whole, uh, they represent basically the same ideology.

02:08:31.180 Well, that, yeah, that's precisely it, which is despite the, the differences that will come of whichever government winning, um,

02:08:41.640 our mission remains the same.

02:08:43.500 That's why I don't fault anybody for saying they don't care and they're not really paying attention because that's not what's important right now.

02:08:52.120 What's important is that you're actually organizing.

02:08:54.340 And I made this point to, you know, American peers and colleagues, uh, you know, American nationalists when the Trump, the, uh, their election was going on, which is like, it doesn't really matter whether Trump wins or loses.

02:09:06.640 If Trump wins, then it's your job to organize as much as possible and expose, you know, the Republicans for what they are.

02:09:14.960 Um, so that when the next election rolls around, you're more powerful than you were this one.

02:09:20.140 And the same thing goes with, you know, Kamala here.

02:09:22.400 And it's the same thing for us.

02:09:23.540 Um, so, um, it's the same, it's the same outcome either way.

02:09:52.480 We need institutions.

02:09:54.040 We need people that are actually capable of, of running organizations.

02:09:59.180 We need a variety of organizations.

02:10:01.500 Like we, we have to do 10 years of work in, in two.

02:10:06.420 Um, and so like, I mean, I'm committed to it, but, um, we've, we've got a lot of work to do and it's not as simple as my political party.

02:10:15.840 Um, we've got Zach in the house.

02:10:21.040 He's a regular panelist.

02:10:22.680 Welcome, Zach.

02:10:23.620 Do you have anything you'd like to contribute?

02:10:28.460 I mostly agree.

02:10:30.400 Uh, I'm probably a little bit more blackpilled than most.

02:10:33.620 I think the fix is in for Carney.

02:10:35.460 I think that it's kind of been telegraphed for a while.

02:10:38.640 I certainly, when I was looking at the crystal ball, I thought that he would be installed after a Justin Trudeau loss.

02:10:44.240 So I was a little bit off on that, but I do think ultimately the powers that be have wanted him there for a while.

02:10:50.100 So I think that that's kind of the way that they're going.

02:10:53.220 And maybe the, the globalists kind of thought that Polyev was actually the weaker play long-term.

02:11:00.780 So they just thought they'd usher in Carney quicker and bypass it all.

02:11:04.860 So personally, I think that Carney's going to win.

02:11:07.500 Um, but regardless, like the strategy, like Perry said, the strategy and how we react depends on what your position is on certain things.

02:11:15.440 I'll agree with that.

02:11:16.100 I did want to push back a little bit on Perry's position on people going back to sleep.

02:11:20.900 Cause I do, I, I've seen it, uh, in some of the social groups that I run in, uh, here in Saskatchewan.

02:11:27.740 And I'm basing that mostly on the attendance.

02:11:31.000 Uh, so just tracking from COVID, which again, woke a lot of people up, but there hasn't been anything that's been maintained.

02:11:36.760 And there's actually been a couple of groups that I've been a part of that have shut down because the attendance and the, um, uh, participation is so low.

02:11:44.660 So I think that Pierre Polyev getting in would continue that fashion because lots of the people that were hell bent on canceling their Rough Rider tickets, they're right back at the games.

02:11:55.420 Like they've been in a very short period of time.

02:11:57.420 They've been lulled back to sleep, just normie perspective.

02:12:01.040 And I've also noticed too, um, especially I would say the Christian Zionists, I, I made this as a joke, but, uh, it's, I think pretty serious that the Christian Zionists are going to sign the check that is going to destroy Western civilization. 1.00

02:12:14.860 And, um, there's, uh, a PPC supporter, um, that I'm in a group chat with and, uh, you know, after one of the events, we were talking about mass immigration.

02:12:24.860 And then she kind of posted two days later, she said, I've really thought about this immigration thing and I clearly need them.

02:12:30.220 It's not their fault.

02:12:31.380 It's the government's fault.

02:12:32.360 We shouldn't be upset at them.

02:12:34.080 You know, we should be able to try to incorporate them in.

02:12:36.600 Um, and then, uh, you know, a day or two later, then there's this big hole, uh, Canada is a Christian, a Judeo-Christian country, blah, blah, blah. 0.57

02:12:45.660 And I think it's the slow drip of people.

02:12:50.880 What say, um, the more nationalistic perspective is to be able to carry through or push people, uh, that, that boundary a little bit more.

02:12:59.580 And that's what I learned.

02:13:00.580 I spoke this morning, um, about kind of infiltrating the PPC leadership, if that's an option.

02:13:05.380 And it's not, it's so much that we can present these ideas in a meaningful way.

02:13:09.160 Spaces like this are great podcasts are great.

02:13:11.640 Um, you know, obviously IRL is the best, but I'm just seeing this tendency.

02:13:18.040 And having this pacifist idea.

02:13:20.140 And I, and I just am of the personal opinion that care of Polly of winning will definitely do that.

02:13:25.460 Um, but I would agree that Kim getting in, um, probably the best case scenario for us, just because we'd be able to still push our message.

02:13:35.280 And counter what he does.

02:13:37.180 And especially if he is funding our enemies.

02:13:40.700 And to corroborate, uh, what Zach just said too.

02:13:43.980 It's like I said, I think it's neither here nor there.

02:13:46.000 It's not that everybody goes to sleep and, and, you know, or some people don't, or some people don't care.

02:13:51.520 Um, we saw this phenomenon happen in 2016 as well.

02:13:56.180 Uh, you can talk to a lot of Americans who were around 10 ish years ago.

02:13:59.800 When Trump was elected the first time and Trump's first term, a lot of people just went back to tuning out.

02:14:05.220 And what happened? 1.00

02:14:06.260 Well, the Trump administration got away with a lot of shit. 1.00

02:14:09.860 A lot of things. 1.00

02:14:10.900 They went back on a lot of promises.

02:14:12.260 People will say very famously that the first hundred days of the first Trump administration was great.

02:14:17.500 And then it was pretty much all downhill for the remaining three years and 400, sorry, 200 and something, uh, uh, days.

02:14:25.480 So, you know, in my view, there is somewhat of a concern about happening.

02:14:29.620 Uh, and also for, I wasn't trying to correct you.

02:14:32.200 I was actually trying to emphasize your point that it's worse.

02:14:34.540 It's even worse than 20 points blowing.

02:14:36.460 It's 30.

02:14:36.880 Like, it's absolutely astounding how bad they've just dropped the ball on that.

02:14:42.960 I think, like, I don't know if there's any other topics to be brought up, but I do find it interesting because, um, I like some people like Zach is saying the fixes in and I'm not sure exactly what he means by that.

02:14:56.680 And I, I wouldn't, you know, if, if somebody was to say like, oh, they're trying to rig the election, I'd like, maybe like, I, I honestly don't know.

02:15:04.200 I can't, that's the thing is I, I, I find it very difficult to discern at this point, whether Carney having a pullback like that in the polls is legitimate or if it's contrived, like I genuinely don't know.

02:15:16.560 And the reason why is because of what's gone on with the United States and the fact that Pierre is perceived as being, uh, aligned with Trump and just the reality is like, it's important to remember this Canadians on mass hate Donald Trump.

02:15:35.780 I don't like, I'm not agreeing with it necessarily.

02:15:39.080 I don't personally like him, but for very different reasons than the majority of Canadians don't like him.

02:15:44.220 But I think it's, it's, it's probably legitimate.

02:15:48.100 I lean towards that swing being a legitimate swing because of what's gone on with Trump.

02:15:54.280 And because if you are, if you're somebody who is, and this is something that over the past three months that I've been paying attention to a lot, which is what are normies actually getting in their day-to-day life in terms of media?

02:16:08.320 And if you've been paying attention the last three months, like listen to the radio.

02:16:11.960 Like, I know that sounds stupid, but listen to the radio, which is what everybody gets their news from.

02:16:17.860 If they're a commuter, that that's where they get their news from every morning, just so everybody's on the same page, right? 0.96

02:16:23.080 Like that's the bulk of their news is whatever is on the radio on their drive to work.

02:16:27.120 And it's anti-Trump sentiment, it's bi-Canadian, it's elbows up, it's all of the propaganda that's just being bombarded down their throats.

02:16:37.380 And there's this perception that, I don't think it's true, but there's a perception, and that's what matters in elections, is what the masses perceive to be true.

02:16:46.520 That Pierre is, you know, a Trump puppet, and that the liberals are the anti-Trump party.

02:16:54.540 And so I think it's potentially a legitimate swing that's gone on in the Canadian population, where despite everything the liberals have put them through, they just don't like Trump.

02:17:05.940 And it's important to remember that when polled back in the fall about the upcoming American election, half of CPC supporters, or more, sorry, I think it was a little over half of CPC supporters, said they would have voted for Kamala Harris.

02:17:23.380 Like, let's not forget that.

02:17:24.640 Like, a huge chunk of the CPC base is more left-wing than we give them credit for.

02:17:31.460 They're Democrats, right?

02:17:33.980 So, I think that swing is legitimate, honestly.

02:17:38.140 Not to mention, a huge part of it is just Trudeau stepping down.

02:17:41.500 Like, a huge part of the liberals' unpopularity was just personal brand of Trudeau.

02:17:47.560 Not even to get into this whole Trump aspect.

02:17:50.880 See, I actually, I agree with that, too, because, and this is something, like, I hadn't heard Carney speak much, but the first time I heard Carney speak, I was just like, oh, this is refreshing.

02:17:59.540 I'm not being spoken to like I'm a kindergarten student anymore. 0.99

02:18:03.600 Like, he just talks like a normal human being and not with this lispy fucking, you know, gay actor voice. 0.99

02:18:09.940 Like, it is actually kind of refreshing. 0.99

02:18:12.260 So, like, even just hearing a different voice from the liberal party was like, oh, this is much better.

02:18:17.960 Like, and that's me.

02:18:19.500 Especially to, like, the blue liberal types. 1.00

02:18:21.340 Like, I'm aware that he's a piece of shit, and even I'm like, this guy is way better than Trudeau. 0.99

02:18:26.580 Especially to the blue liberal types, like, the fiscally responsible kind of left-leaning folks, like, who were willing to vote, hold their nose and vote for Pierre, even though he's kind of annoying and obnoxious. 0.99

02:18:38.540 Like, they're fully just satisfied by Carney, who's, you know, might as well be a progressive conservative from the 80s.

02:18:49.000 Carney said something last night.

02:18:51.200 Oh, sorry, go on, Rotten.

02:18:52.840 Well, there's a few things at play that I believe make it completely legitimate.

02:18:57.300 I mean, not only the distribution of the ridings and where the bulk of the ridings are located, because, I mean, when Zach says there's a fix here, and you could look at that as, I mean, a lot of those ridings are full of immigrants. 1.00

02:19:09.860 Like, Montreal area and GTA, for example, is, like, 90 ridings.

02:19:15.700 That's three-quarters of the way to a majority. 0.98

02:19:17.740 Plus, with that elbows-up shit, that just hits at that easy-fake nationalism that everybody can get behind and feel like they're, you know, in some kind of battle or something. 0.99

02:19:29.640 Like, look what they did with the fucking Four Nations Cup, right? 0.99

02:19:33.080 Like, the way they've incorporated that, I mean, it's like wrestling-style politics, right? 0.96

02:19:40.660 You're appealing to their emotional side and making them feel something. 0.98

02:19:44.160 And the conservatives really suck at that.

02:19:47.740 Like, Carney said something to Polyev last night, which I'm surprised not very many people seem to have picked up on, which was, Pierre was trying to basically say that he was like Trudeau, and then Carney looked at him and he said, he's gone. 0.87

02:20:02.340 Trudeau's gone, Pierre.

02:20:05.100 And Polyev just had no...

02:20:06.480 I know you want to run against him. He's gone.

02:20:09.040 That's right. He's like, I know you want to run against Trudeau, but he's gone.

02:20:12.520 And Polyev just kind of stood there looking starry-eyed. He had nothing to say to that.

02:20:16.200 Are you denying that you were his economic advisor? 1.00

02:20:21.420 Well, and also don't forget, too, fuck Jagmeet's shit in the bed. 1.00

02:20:25.500 So they're also getting the NDP support as well, right? 1.00

02:20:30.060 Yeah. Yeah. Good point.

02:20:31.560 I like it when the guys can just take a break, you know?

02:20:46.800 If these were guys around a fire, they'd just have a pause and stare at the fire for a little bit.

02:20:52.600 But we have some reeing in the comments.

02:20:56.840 Yeah.

02:20:57.480 They're pretty entertaining.

02:20:59.180 From the Jeeps.

02:21:00.080 Yeah.

02:21:00.740 We've attracted the Seek crowd, yes.

02:21:02.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:21:03.740 They're like...

02:21:04.740 They're going and commenting on old posts of mine as well.

02:21:07.740 It's pretty funny.

02:21:09.560 Oh, really?

02:21:10.400 Yeah.

02:21:10.520 Well, the thing, what they do is they tag CSIS and the RCMP and everything.

02:21:14.000 The RCMP, yeah.

02:21:14.480 As if, like, they're actively monitoring those Twitter accounts.

02:21:20.420 I mean, they are actively monitoring mine.

02:21:24.840 Right, right.

02:21:25.740 But not, like, not the RCMP official Twitter thing, which is what they're tagging.

02:21:30.780 They're tagging...

02:21:31.480 Oh, I see what you're saying.

02:21:32.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:21:33.040 Yeah.

02:21:33.280 I'm sure that's all they're doing on their long weekend.

02:21:36.900 I'm sure they're very serious on their police social media accounts on this fine Good Friday.

02:21:47.000 It's funny, though, because...

02:21:48.040 Well, they have their...

02:21:48.780 Go ahead.

02:21:49.780 No, I was just saying they're the only group that does this.

02:21:51.900 Like, you can say one thing that's just slightly critical of them, right?

02:21:56.360 And then they come in en masse and, like, cyber, you know, cyber-geat you.

02:22:01.980 And, like, just...

02:22:02.960 They're the only group that does that.

02:22:04.940 Because they're organized.

02:22:06.420 Yes.

02:22:06.900 Yes.

02:22:07.260 Back to our first point.

02:22:09.600 Organized in WhatsApp groups and Telegram chats.

02:22:14.740 Well, that's actually an interesting point, too, which is something that is understated in terms of its value,

02:22:20.520 which is even organizing people online like that and being able to brigade posts and coordinate online attacks is incredibly valuable.

02:22:33.240 And, you know, there's...

02:22:34.900 The best example of this is the Groypers. 0.93

02:22:37.840 Like, love them or hate them, you can't deny that the Groypers are fantastic at mobilizing, you know,

02:22:44.760 Nick supporters to defend him and go after people and, you know, ratio comment sections and all this stuff.

02:22:52.760 And that does have a psychological impact.

02:22:55.220 I don't know if it's...

02:22:57.100 You know, sometimes it gets overstated in terms of its value because the only people who are observing it

02:23:02.040 are the people who are already engaged in the political discussion for the most part.

02:23:06.180 But it does have a kind of slow drip effect of, you know, flooding the public conscience with your propaganda and ideology.

02:23:19.100 So, like, that's something, too.

02:23:21.880 If you just start getting people...

02:23:24.060 Like, I personally don't like being in them because I have enough group chats to be part of.

02:23:28.500 But getting people into, you know, group chats where you're coordinating your messaging and you're, you know, sharing information and then posting it

02:23:39.520 or you're finding comment sections to get involved in or, you know, coordinating a ratio of a politician,

02:23:47.540 that stuff does have an impact, which is, you know, the easiest way to show that it does have an impact is there's a reason why YouTube got rid of the dislike button.

02:23:56.240 It was becoming too politically disadvantageous for the left.

02:24:01.480 It was showing that people were dissatisfied with the narrative that was being pushed to them.

02:24:07.680 And that like button has a psychological impact on the person who sees it because people, for the most part, want to be part of the consensus.

02:24:16.420 They want to be part of the majority.

02:24:19.080 They go with the flow.

02:24:20.720 So, when they see that, you know, 90% of people don't like this thing, there is at least a tendency for them to want to be part of that 90%

02:24:31.380 or at least not be attacked by that 90%. 0.56

02:24:34.420 So, it either pushes them over to your side or it shuts them up and makes them not say anything because they don't want to be attacked by the majority.

02:24:42.340 It's just the way those types of people operate.

02:24:45.200 So, yeah, it does have an impact, the online stuff.

02:24:51.460 So, I just shared an electoral map.

02:24:54.620 Not very useful these days because nobody can predict anything right now.

02:24:58.100 But I do trust Cheritiste's data.

02:25:01.820 And it's very interesting that it's looking like 50-50.

02:25:06.060 I think it's a 50-50 chance.

02:25:08.900 And I also do think that the NDP...

02:25:09.860 I think this is a joke.

02:25:11.260 What's that?

02:25:12.100 I think he's... 0.96

02:25:13.060 I think this is just a ridiculous scenario. 0.83

02:25:15.920 I don't think this is a serious projection. 0.92

02:25:18.460 No.

02:25:20.200 That's, like, the way that he's framed it.

02:25:23.140 You aren't ready for this.

02:25:24.180 He doesn't say that it's based off of any specific polls or projections.

02:25:30.180 I think this is just a somewhat realistic, chaotic, hilarious scenario.

02:25:36.060 What do you...

02:25:40.600 Okay.

02:25:41.500 Well, I don't want to dissect it too aggressively.

02:25:44.600 But I was going to say, like, what do you seriously disagree with?

02:25:48.220 Calgary and Edmonton, for one.

02:25:50.300 Churchill, Coat, Newcastle, will definitely go orange again.

02:25:54.640 Right, right, right.

02:25:57.640 I think that's Sault Ste. Marie, will probably go blue.

02:26:03.300 Like, I don't know.

02:26:04.140 There's a lot to nitpick.

02:26:05.400 I just...

02:26:06.240 Usually, this guy would provide the polling data that it was based off of.

02:26:11.020 Just...

02:26:11.740 I'm familiar with his account.

02:26:14.100 This would be a hilarious situation, though.

02:26:17.360 Go ahead, Doc.

02:26:18.500 Oh, sorry.

02:26:19.440 Calgary and Edmonton isn't far off.

02:26:24.020 Yeah, I was like, I'm pretty sure those are Liptard Central in that process. 1.00

02:26:28.020 Yeah, the only questionable one on there is the Calgary riding, but I believe that...

02:26:35.540 It is red already.

02:26:36.980 I'm trying to remember.

02:26:37.560 Calgary's header is red.

02:26:39.040 Yeah.

02:26:39.620 Yeah, exactly.

02:26:40.520 Yeah.

02:26:40.900 So, like, that's not...

02:26:41.580 This is definitely in the realm of possibilities.

02:26:47.340 Go ahead, Zach.

02:26:48.220 Push your way in there.

02:26:48.920 On something that Ferry was saying, and kind of probably provide a little bit more context

02:26:53.740 to what I say with the fixes in.

02:26:55.520 It's not that I think that they necessarily have to rig it, but they can play on the perception

02:27:00.160 that Ferry was talking about.

02:27:01.640 Like, it is ultimately... 0.66

02:27:02.800 Voting is basically a popularity contest for retards. 1.00

02:27:05.580 Those who need leaders are unqualified to choose them.

02:27:09.320 So, yeah, they can get rid of Trudeau, kind of sway things, and then just start shifting

02:27:16.020 to perspective.

02:27:16.880 Control the narrative around what is put out towards them in...

02:27:28.060 Not represent public decisions.

02:27:30.120 So, I think that that is just a couple ways when they're saying it's like they needed...

02:27:34.620 They saw that Polly was probably going to be a very weak asset for them, but they bring

02:27:39.040 in this massive mega-globalist with Kearney and are able to kind of steer people's attention

02:27:44.280 towards him, like was said before.

02:27:47.740 Or Canada versus Trump, and, you know...

02:27:55.900 I don't know if it's me, or your mic keeps cutting in and out, Zach.

02:27:59.400 He's cutting in and out.

02:28:01.800 Are you in a bathysphere, Zach, or what's going on, big guy?

02:28:04.620 Shitty Saskatchewan internet.

02:28:09.000 I'll cut it short here, but yeah, that's basically...

02:28:11.080 It's not that there's going to be rigging, but they can play on people's perceptions

02:28:15.180 to be able to get the outcome that they want.

02:28:23.860 Yeah, it basically ties into what I was saying about the psychology of wanting to be in the majority.

02:28:29.600 There is a...

02:28:31.560 I don't know what it would be, but there's at least a portion of the population who votes

02:28:36.000 because they want to be on the winning team.

02:28:39.660 That's it.

02:28:40.440 They vote for who they think is going to win so that they can sell... 1.00

02:28:43.940 Like, it's so stupid and childish, but there definitely is people who do that. 1.00

02:28:48.280 They vote for the perceived winner. 1.00

02:28:51.260 That's it.

02:28:51.780 Well, an example of that would be how many conservatives have said they completely agree

02:28:57.140 with the PPC platform, but conservatives have a chance to win.

02:29:01.640 Yep, exactly.

02:29:02.280 So, out of all the interferences from foreign hostile nations, we're sort of identifying

02:29:13.740 India, identifying China, some would identify Israel, America.

02:29:20.740 Out of these options, what do you think, which ones pose the most danger to Canadians right

02:29:28.220 now, or is it a combination of all of them because we're in such a weakened state?

02:29:33.800 But I get that a lot.

02:29:35.540 Like, who's most dangerous to, you know, Canadians right now?

02:29:42.840 Indians.

02:29:46.800 Definitely not Israel. 0.94

02:29:48.400 Israel's influence is really overstated in Canada.

02:29:51.100 They're very influential in the U.S., but, like, their influence in Canada, at least directly

02:29:57.300 through politics, is pretty limited.

02:29:59.620 Like, it's mostly limited to the CPC.

02:30:02.480 The other parties are even, like, pretty anti-Israel and have much less Jewish influence.

02:30:10.120 Like, there's still a lot of non-government organizations that are run directly by either

02:30:19.060 by Jews or, like, in line with Jewish interests, which are more influential.

02:30:25.360 But when it comes to direct influence on our political parties, it's, there's definitely

02:30:29.880 more influence by, like, China and India.

02:30:33.700 I was going to say, too.

02:30:35.020 There's a lot of influence, especially for economic interests, like, ensuring our oil is

02:30:39.980 landlocked and stuff like this.

02:30:41.440 Funding green protests to keep oil landlocked and to deny pipelines and stuff like this is

02:30:51.160 stuff that the Americans have taken an interest in for decades now.

02:30:57.340 So I'd put America pretty high up on that list for that reason, but it's a bit different

02:31:03.600 than the influence we see from China and India.

02:31:07.520 Israel also, sorry, Canada also just doesn't have the military means to be directly involved

02:31:15.900 in the Middle East, nor even marshal up the forces for any kind of would-be expedition

02:31:20.340 in that region anyway, which is not to say that, as Perry said, that they can't leverage

02:31:25.280 influence here to curtail speech.

02:31:27.400 Although I would highlight that they failed.

02:31:30.300 Bernie Farber and the Anti-Hate Network tried to support the liberal notions on those hate

02:31:35.120 speech bills, and they lost twice, actually, which is fascinating.

02:31:40.600 It's very, very much not as powerful as they are in the United States or with AIPAC.

02:31:46.100 There's no Canadian equivalence to AIPAC or to...

02:31:49.620 There's the Center for Israeli Jewish Affairs, which is pretty influential.

02:31:54.780 Well, I mean, they're basically a conservative club.

02:31:57.300 Well, I mean, but they meet with all parties, and all parties, when asked to attend their

02:32:04.680 functions, they show up.

02:32:06.520 If you don't believe me, you can go look through their website, and you'll see Jagmeet Singh,

02:32:10.620 you'll see Justin Trudeau, you'll see Pierre Polyev, you'll see all of them, as well as a

02:32:17.040 whole bunch of the MPs from all the parties.

02:32:18.840 I think the difference is that I think 40 hit it there, which is it just doesn't have

02:32:26.360 as much impact on us because we don't have the same capabilities that the US has.

02:32:32.720 So, for example, it matters a lot more in the UK because the UK has the ability to actually

02:32:40.660 project some power.

02:32:42.000 So, it's much more important for them to leverage their influence there than it is in, say,

02:32:47.900 Canada, but as we've seen, they do leverage their influence when they need to, and they

02:32:53.580 have been very, the CIJA in particular, has been very vocal about trying to get new laws

02:32:59.460 passed, and every party, with the exception, to an extent, of the NDP, just because of the

02:33:06.100 nature of their politics, has supported it.

02:33:08.680 And, like, look at one of the last things Justin Trudeau said before leaving office was,

02:33:14.420 I am a Zionist.

02:33:15.660 That might have been the last thing he said in a public statement, I am a Zionist.

02:33:21.420 I'm not sure about that, but I think it was literally the last thing he said in a formal

02:33:25.980 capacity as the prime minister of this country.

02:33:29.260 So, I think, yeah, it's definitely not as influential as it is in the United States, but,

02:33:34.780 and it's to an extent overstated, but we also can't just be like, ah, it's not that big of

02:33:39.900 a deal. It is a big deal. And we're also ignoring as well, like, the CIJA was very influential

02:33:48.460 in getting particularly Islamic immigrants into Canada in the last 10 to 15 years.

02:33:55.280 They lobbied hard for it. They worked very diligently to push for it, and then now they're complaining

02:34:02.000 about it. And if you don't believe me, just search CIJA in my Twitter feed, and you'll

02:34:08.440 see all the examples of them pushing for it over the last 15, 20 years on their Twitter,

02:34:14.560 and then contrast that with the examples of them complaining about the immigrants that

02:34:19.560 they lobbied to bring here.

02:34:20.620 So, they are influential, but I would agree that they're not the most. I think the, you

02:34:25.620 guys already said it, the biggest problem right now is the, is Indian groups in general, whether

02:34:31.860 it's the, ah, I forget what the Hindu one is, or the World Seek Organization, or the Kalistani

02:34:38.200 lobby, it's Indian groups in general, and then to a lesser extent, China, who is much more

02:34:43.560 subtle and much more, um, uh, you know, sly in how they go about wielding their influence

02:34:50.700 in this country. Um, and yeah, so, but pick one, which, which group do you like the least?

02:34:58.800 Blame that one. I don't care. Like, yeah, it's, well, it's kind of tough to tell because,

02:35:04.320 I mean, China having secret police stations here, I mean, I think that kind of.

02:35:08.580 Well, exactly. You, you could make the case that you could easily make the argument that

02:35:14.080 the, the Muslims are the biggest problem right now, because they're the ones who are 1.00

02:35:18.600 holding massive rallies in our streets and prayers, doing prayers. 0.98

02:35:23.220 Meeting with Chao.

02:35:25.140 Yeah, like you, like, it really depends on your perception of who is the most annoying.

02:35:30.700 So, if you live in an area where you've seen multiple Kalistani rallies and stuff like that,

02:35:36.140 you might perceive them to be the biggest problem. If you live in downtown Montreal,

02:35:40.380 you might be pretty pissed off with the Palestinians and the Muslim supporters right now, 1.00

02:35:44.460 because they're annoying as fuck. So, which, which, which foreign diaspora population is the 1.00

02:35:51.220 worst or the, or the biggest problem? It's probably the one that you deal with in your day-to-day life

02:35:55.580 is going to be your answer. So, for me, it's Indians, because they're the ones I can't fucking get 1.00

02:36:00.200 away from. I guess from a political standpoint, though, I think, in my opinion, I think from 0.99

02:36:06.980 politically, it would probably be China. That would be the biggest foreign influence in the

02:36:12.780 political sphere. Would that be a fair assessment?

02:36:17.080 It's reasonable. Yeah. I mean, because they, their whole thing is the liberal party, right? It's the

02:36:24.000 cons who have the Kalisthanis. And yes, there's some of the Kalisthanis and the liberals, but it's

02:36:28.020 mostly the conservatives. And now you have the Hintubas, who are very much active in the

02:36:33.240 conservatives and are probably trying to be active in the PPC, which is partly why Bernier got so much

02:36:38.160 flack when posing with Jeff Law. So it's, you know, it's, it's really hard. It's really hard to tell.

02:36:44.700 But Ferryman is right. The Chinese are very sly. They have actual territorial ambitions. And the 1.00

02:36:50.440 Chinese are also probably the most competent out of all of the foreign diaspora taking advantage of the

02:36:55.720 situation. The Chinese have global ambitions, not global, but they have, they have serious 1.00

02:37:01.200 geopolitical ambitions, whereas India doesn't really. And, you know, the Zionists are just 1.00

02:37:06.060 trying to siphon resources to protect their little enclave.

02:37:11.260 And the West Coast is, go ahead, Ferry.

02:37:14.980 I was just going to say, it's why whenever people say things like, you know, I don't have a problem with

02:37:21.120 Asians. It's the Indians that are the nuisance. It's like, well, that's actually an indication that 1.00

02:37:27.100 the, the Asians, particularly the Chinese are a bigger problem, because you don't perceive them 0.88

02:37:34.220 as a threat. Like this, this is a huge problem that we have, like the reason why we have a problem 0.85

02:37:40.040 with Indians now is because they were much more subtle about what they were doing in the 80s and 90s.

02:37:48.080 And then once they reach, it's interesting, it's almost like once a population reaches roughly

02:37:54.220 the four to five percent of the, of the total population, you'll start to see all these things

02:38:00.020 come out. So like we saw this in Germany, right? When, you know, when Muslims hit five percent of the 1.00

02:38:05.620 population in Germany, all of a sudden it became a huge issue. When they hit five percent of the

02:38:11.260 population in the UK, all of a sudden it becomes a huge issue. If there's, I don't know exactly what

02:38:16.980 that phenomenon is, but there's something that happens where, um, what, once it may, it may not

02:38:23.580 be five percent, maybe it's four and a half or 3.9 or something like that. But once a foreign diaspora 0.98

02:38:29.720 population reaches a certain level, um, they stop playing the assimilation game and they start playing 0.56

02:38:37.180 the assert my influence and my culture game. So like, this is why it's so dangerous to, when you have

02:38:44.620 one that's much more subtle about it, because they're will, they're able to continue the assimilation 0.99

02:38:50.900 game until, um, you know, when they go to play the, I'm going to assert my will, uh, game, um, it'll

02:38:57.940 be a much bigger problem to deal with, which is why, like you see this, it almost equates directly to

02:39:02.960 IQ, right? The Indians are retarded. So when they're at three percent of the population, they go 1.00

02:39:09.400 completely mask off and they talk about how this is our country now and we're taking over and we're

02:39:15.080 going to replace you and all this stuff. And it's like, you're three percent of the population,

02:39:18.320 like you're kind of overplaying your hand right now. And, you know, the Muslims who are a little 1.00

02:39:23.040 bit smarter, but still pretty dumb, they go mask off when they hit five percent of the population and 0.99

02:39:28.280 they start doing all these things and they flaunt it in your face and, you know, nobody likes it. 0.99

02:39:32.780 Whereas the Chinese, they're maybe what, what are they? Like eight percent of the Canadian

02:39:38.020 population or something? I believe it was four. Was it four? Like, uh, maybe it's,

02:39:42.680 it's East Asian in general is, is like eight percent, but like they're, they're not exactly 1.00

02:39:47.780 making waves, are they? But they're doing all the same things that all these other groups

02:39:52.100 are doing, but just much more subtly. So yeah. I was just looking at eating. I was just saying,

02:39:57.480 I was just looking it up and there's no, I mean, it's hard to find statistics on this,

02:40:01.040 especially in Canada because they hide everything, but basically the consensus is anywhere from

02:40:06.580 eight to 10 percent of a population of a foreign diaspora begins to really radically change the

02:40:11.920 nation. And the, the South Asian population as a whole, if you combine Pakistanis, um, Indians,

02:40:20.340 Punjabis specifically as something like 10, 10, 11 ish percent as of 2021.

02:40:25.880 Yeah. I don't see bing wongs on every street corner. I see Patel's grocer and I see a thousand 1.00

02:40:33.500 jeets at my gym. So they're the problem to me. You don't, this, this is the other element of it

02:40:40.200 too, particularly with, with Indians or, you know, subcontinental Asia, which is the, the positions

02:40:47.540 and jobs that they occupy in our society are the ones that are like frontline. So part of the reason

02:40:54.500 why people are so, uh, you know, there's so much hostility towards that particular group

02:40:59.460 is because they're the ones that are running convenience stores and gas stations and fast

02:41:03.880 food, uh, establishments. They're the ones who are, you know, delivery drivers and stuff like

02:41:09.260 that. So they're the ones that your car on the highway and you're, you're interacting with them

02:41:14.140 constantly. And so it's very hard to ignore it. Whereas you don't really see that with the Chinese 1.00

02:41:19.600 or the Islamic, uh, you know, immigrants, like it's not as common to run into them. So you have less 0.97

02:41:25.700 interactions with them and you don't perceive them to be as annoying or frustrating. Whereas if,

02:41:30.780 if every circle K and gas station attendant was, uh, Islamic, you would probably have more of a, 1.00

02:41:38.500 you know, a dissatisfaction with Islamic immigration, even though I'm sure everybody

02:41:42.880 here is not a fan of it, but like, I mean that the Canadian population on average, you know,

02:41:47.700 there's just not as much hostility towards the Muslims or the Chinese. Why? Cause people

02:41:51.520 aren't interacting with them. That's why. We're all eating Chinese food at their restaurants.

02:42:01.900 What's up Canadian girl. We brought up Canadian girl. I know she definitely has some thoughts on.

02:42:06.600 I was just posting about this actually. And I was thinking, shouldn't, I mean, not to play like

02:42:10.640 the game of the government or anything, but it could be useful. Um, if we're 60% of the demographic,

02:42:15.500 shouldn't we be represented in 60% of every workplace, such as trucking, convenience stores,

02:42:21.080 gas stations, motels, and shouldn't we be able to like demand that and even get every white person 0.99

02:42:27.100 who's looking for a job to go and apply at Indian owned businesses, whether they're like restaurants

02:42:32.120 or, uh, even like grocery stores or whatever. And then when they're not hired because like, well,

02:42:37.780 you know, none of us speak English, et cetera, file human rights complaints. And we could kind of

02:42:42.340 destroy their, their stronghold on all of these businesses. If we were 60% represented in each workforce.

02:42:48.000 I don't know. Maybe that's a goofy idea or not. I just pictured myself walking into like,

02:42:55.860 yeah, that's the most disgusting idea I've heard tonight. I also think that you, I also think you'd

02:43:03.500 be hard pressed to do any kind of human rights on that. Um, I'm unsure, but I have been told like,

02:43:09.200 technically they don't have any kind of like diverse, like their diversity requirement,

02:43:17.100 obviously, uh, doesn't apply to us. And like, as long as we could fill out a million complaints

02:43:23.900 about that when they fail to hire white students in those jobs. Do we really want to force Indians 1.00

02:43:30.040 to hire us though? No, I'd rather do anything. It's going to be to leave. No, I know. But if

02:43:37.500 we were my daughter, if we're 60%, that means we would take over every business. That means we're

02:43:42.580 the majority in every one of those businesses. I just said, don't even frequent them period.

02:43:47.500 But half of us are communists, right? That's the other thing. And like, we're a socialist,

02:43:53.440 you know, so the communists are fine with, you know, Jeet's having Jeet owned businesses and

02:43:58.720 Muslims having Muslim owned businesses. They're fine with that. It was kind of the reason why I'm

02:44:04.080 thinking the Chinese and the Indians have had such an easy time of taking over our most beautiful 1.00

02:44:09.860 province of British Columbia is because it's full. It's just full of leftists and communists. And 0.91

02:44:16.900 they're like, sure, you can have the whole place, you know, go ahead, no problem. And, you know,

02:44:21.520 white ethno Canadians have nowhere to live in British Columbia. And they're the most, you know, 1.00

02:44:27.840 like, whether it's a word I'm trying to say, they're the most overwhelmed with drug addiction

02:44:37.140 and fentanyl addiction. You know, those streets are just mostly white. That's where you see our 0.95

02:44:42.700 white representation, over-representation, along with other Indians. Yep. And who's bringing, 1.00

02:44:50.480 like I said earlier, who's bringing that fentanyl over?

02:44:52.320 Sure. I'm going to take a minute and just promote the Real Canadian Business Telegram

02:44:57.400 channel on Telegram. Do it.

02:44:59.380 If you know a real Canadian business in your area that only serves real Canadians or only

02:45:05.480 employs real Canadians, or if you're a business owner that hires real Canadians, and by real,

02:45:12.260 I say ethnically Canadian.

02:45:14.800 Ethno European Canadian?

02:45:18.020 Yes. T.me slash real Canadian business. I started a Telegram channel a while back that promotes

02:45:23.960 real Canadian businesses. So it's kind of like a place where you can go to find a business in

02:45:29.860 your area if you want to support white businesses, or if you are looking for employment and be hired

02:45:36.400 by a real Canadian business.

02:45:37.980 You can pop that in the nest if you could there, Lee. It's important that we share that like every week.

02:45:48.340 Okay. Well, boys.

02:45:51.500 All right. I'm going to jump out. Thanks for having me.

02:45:55.380 No, thank you for coming.

02:45:56.060 See you, Ferry.

02:45:56.400 Thank you for dropping by, Ferry.

02:45:57.120 Thank you for coming.

02:45:57.760 Yeah.

02:45:58.440 Peace.

02:45:59.720 Awesome.

02:46:00.160 Um, okay. Well, we did pretty good. We're like, pretty much three hours here, guys.

02:46:06.900 We were cooking the whole time.

02:46:09.560 Yeah, no, it was friggin' awesome.

02:46:11.120 Well, not the boys, but I'm just saying.

02:46:14.160 Yeah, no. I was like, I was watching a tennis match. Like pew, pew, watching the balls go over

02:46:20.440 the net.

02:46:21.820 These are the best kind of spaces where you just have to push the buttons and let the boys

02:46:24.660 cook.

02:46:26.100 That's right. That's right.

02:46:27.760 Um, Fortisax, do you have anything to complete the night? Because, you know, you have a lot

02:46:35.180 to say.

02:46:37.580 Listen, we're going to change it from Fortisax's typing to Fortisax's talking, right? How does

02:46:41.860 that sound?

02:46:42.080 Yeah, that's right.

02:46:44.640 Two personalities.

02:46:46.480 Yeah.

02:46:46.780 We're going to start calling 40.

02:46:47.760 No.

02:46:48.880 I just wanted to say thank you guys for tuning into this space. If you joined late, you can

02:46:54.420 listen to the first half where we discussed the world Sikh organization. We also delved

02:47:01.180 a little bit into the details of the Ghadar movement, which is at least tangentially related

02:47:06.660 in that it was an Indian nationalist movement that tried to infiltrate Canada about 120 years

02:47:13.280 ago. The Punjabi Sikh population has been at this for that period of time with some gaps

02:47:19.440 in the middle. But if you're interested in that, look up the document that Lee shared

02:47:26.020 in, in the nest, as well as in the chat for where the space was hosted. You can find that

02:47:33.520 there. And yeah, thanks for all for joining and listening to everybody. Give everybody that

02:47:39.020 you like a like and follow. Special Daniel Tyree, Zach, Rotten, Lee, Posty, and Bethan are

02:47:45.940 based maidens of the Based Maidens podcast. And yeah, catch y'all later.

02:47:52.560 Thank you, Daniel Tyree. Are we going to hear more from you this week?

02:47:58.460 You've been...

02:47:58.860 What do you mean more from me this week?

02:48:00.180 Well, because you've been pretty like hot on spaces. You're on Wogpog Space today. Like

02:48:05.520 you're turning into... I mean, ever since you got the follow from Chubby there, like ever

02:48:14.480 since you've gotten that follow, I'm sure your DMs have been filling up, right? So I'm just

02:48:20.040 wondering if you're going to be scheduled for any more spaces this week.

02:48:23.160 I have no plans. That was very impromptu. If people want to hear what I have to say, you

02:48:31.840 know, you can invite me to talk. I like to... I have a lot to say. I don't mind going on

02:48:41.480 if people want to hear my opinion on things. But I try not to do too much unless I'm asked.

02:48:49.380 I'm focused on doing some of my own things behind the scenes right now. Thanks for inviting

02:48:56.960 me to participate. This was a fun one. And, you know, let me know about any future ones. It's

02:49:04.920 always fun to chat with you guys.

02:49:07.440 Thank you, Zach. Zach, what do you got coming up this week? Podcast, streams?

02:49:13.720 Yeah. Monday night, I'll actually have Fortisax on the show. I don't think we've hammered down

02:49:20.060 what time yet, but he will be on the show. Yeah, it's awesome to be able to have these

02:49:25.940 spaces. I think they're really constructive. You get to hear from some fantastic panelists

02:49:30.320 and stuff like that. And I think I've just... I've been listening to lots of Twitter spaces

02:49:33.860 lately, and it's just we offer something that so many of the other spaces don't like. The one

02:49:39.340 that Daniel was speaking earlier today got so sidetracked with stuff that people already

02:49:45.020 know. They weren't offering really much to kind of add to the conversation that most of

02:49:50.180 the people that listen to spaces already or didn't know. So, but yeah, we, you know, thank

02:49:55.600 you so much for hosting these spaces because they are, I think, having an effect and our ideas

02:49:58.820 are spreading and that's important. I want to just kind of mention before too is the importance

02:50:05.360 of the IRL stuff. It's something that I've put a lot of focus on just because I saw, and

02:50:09.600 again, I talked about this before, saw people's interest in getting engaged, slipping a lot.

02:50:15.180 So I took it upon myself to kind of get people more engaged and start organizing some events

02:50:19.040 and stuff. I would highly recommend doing that. If you don't have a circle of people, especially

02:50:26.360 if you're a male, of guys that you can meet up with at least once a month or, you know,

02:50:32.500 en masse with a bunch of people, like start organizing it yourself because that's the only

02:50:36.420 way that we're going to get through this. You know, especially the more things look,

02:50:40.940 the horizon looks more doom than it does bliss. It's going to be important to find your friends

02:50:46.600 and know who your people are and putting folk first, I think is really important. So I can't

02:50:52.380 advocate for this more, but get out, get off of the online stuff, get in real life and start

02:50:57.980 meeting some good people. Canadian girl, I know you always have tips. Do more racisms. 1.00

02:51:09.900 Be more racist, express more racisms. Have a daily quota of 10 racisms per day and make a sign,

02:51:18.140 go outside, hold a sign up, take a photo of it and share it online. Even if you don't want to

02:51:22.260 post it directly, give it to someone else like Leah to post or a buddy and say what you actually

02:51:27.640 think about all these immigrants being here. They can't track it down because you gave it away to 1.00

02:51:31.640 someone. So yeah, especially around this election time too, you know, it's important that people

02:51:39.120 show up in front of, you know, Tim Upal's campaign office with a sign, you know, Auslander Rouse or

02:51:46.700 whatever you want to have it say, you know, put your lipstick on, hold up your sign, get your photo,

02:51:53.300 jump back in your car and then post that online. You know, for people who don't, you know, it's also

02:52:01.140 gendered with the IRL stuff. You know, we've talked to a lot of people who do heavy duty IRL activism

02:52:09.540 and some of it can be quite dangerous, you know, so you always have to take that into consideration.

02:52:16.400 Some banner drops are dangerous or, you know, depending on what your banner says, the protests

02:52:22.120 can be very controversial. So, you know, know yourself and I understand some guys just, they're

02:52:28.220 like, it's guys only. So fair enough. But, you know, us girls too can do our thing, right? We can do

02:52:34.580 exactly what Christine was suggesting. You can actually do, like, go with it, like, if you can

02:52:39.620 get a bunch of girlfriends together and you're holding out signs there and they could all be 0.86

02:52:42.900 different signs and it literally takes, like, 30 seconds. Someone, one friend takes the photos,

02:52:48.160 you all get back in the car and it looks like you were out there all day protesting. It's brilliant.

02:52:53.900 You can also, if you know a local group in your area that is organized that doesn't allow women,

02:52:59.220 you can support them as well in different ways. Because I think a lot of these guys do need

02:53:04.560 the support. And I think more support from women will come eventually, whether it's, like,

02:53:11.840 through fundraising or whatever they think they're going to need support in. But if you find a local

02:53:18.440 group, I know some of the active clubs that the guys have do allow women to support them. So you

02:53:26.260 might not be able to be in their group for banner drops or whatever that they're doing. And it also

02:53:33.360 puts pressure on other men to get off their ass and do something. If they see women out there, 0.99

02:53:39.020 it kind of shames them into doing stuff. So, yeah.

02:53:43.120 That's what we're doing here. We're in the shaming business, girls. 0.78

02:53:46.400 Yeah, and women are good organizers, right? So you can always organize these things for them while 1.00

02:53:50.600 they do it, you know?

02:53:52.360 Sunday is Hitler's birthday. So get out there and bake a Nazi cake or burn some tranny books. 1.00

02:53:58.140 Yeah, burning tranny books.

02:53:59.340 Share, share, share, share.

02:54:00.280 That's what we're doing. Okay, Rotten, what you got?

02:54:07.200 I don't know. I just can't wait for this fucking election, man. That's all. I just want to get 1.00

02:54:11.780 it over with.

02:54:12.500 I thought you were going to say the space.

02:54:15.340 No, no. The space is fine. I mean, but I just, you know, I want, what, is it April 29th to come?

02:54:23.560 And maybe, maybe it might make me feel better to see a video of the pleb crying. 1.00

02:54:31.020 That'd be kind of fun.

02:54:32.580 A lot of people feel better, I think, so.

02:54:34.640 That's what I'm looking forward to anyway, but other than that, it's WrestleMania weekend. 0.99

02:54:38.980 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:54:40.320 Hell yeah. 0.99

02:54:42.060 That's more real life than politics is, so.

02:54:46.060 Well, that's what Rotten and Posty are going to be doing.

02:54:48.800 Yeah.

02:54:49.240 What about you, Lee?

02:54:50.340 Not together, though. Don't spread rumors, like I said.

02:54:52.860 Lee, you put it in the nest, yeah?

02:54:57.740 I didn't put it in the nest yet, but I don't really have much to add. I think this space is awesome every week, and I think I'm just going to echo what Zach said.

02:55:09.560 Get out in your community in whatever capacity and find people of like mind and get off the internet.

02:55:18.380 Except for on Fridays when we do a roundtable.

02:55:20.600 Yeah, you have to come back for Fridays, okay?

02:55:22.860 But, yeah, I just, I want to thank you guys for doing these spaces and being consistent and giving a voice to people who, you know, I've noticed a lot of guests that you have.

02:55:34.840 You know, a lot of the time they have to come in, and I was telling Bethann this earlier today, they come in on SOC accounts because they've lost their Twitter accounts.

02:55:43.040 So, it's platforming people who have been banned on the internet for thought crimes and sharing their ideas that might be good ones, and it's important for people to carry on in this dialogue and figure out what they like and what they don't like, and that's the importance of free speech.

02:55:57.780 So, yeah, I think that's about it. Thank you for listening to this space and interacting and, yeah, just can't wait till this election's over.

02:56:09.040 I was just going to say, I don't really have much to say. I talked enough, but thank you. Thank you, Lee, for co-hosting. We always love to have you.

02:56:19.360 And, obviously, thanks to everybody that came and spoke. It was very, very informative, and I love these spaces because I don't have to talk as much, even though I do.

02:56:28.720 So, yeah, so that's it.

02:56:32.980 Yeah, so, yeah, for me, I'm really grateful for how these nationalist roundtables are going.

02:56:40.560 Sometimes I call it, like, a nationalist roundhouse. Sometimes it's, you know, a nationalist roundup, you know, which is...

02:56:48.820 That brings the voice to the yard there.

02:56:50.280 Yeah, so, Posty and I will be talking tomorrow to, like, this is to do with kind of fitness and nutrition.

02:56:59.800 Her name is Train With Tish, and she was pretty red-pilled during the convoy and about vaccines, and so I think, you know, particularly, you know, women, but we want to talk about, like, you know, fitness in these times.

02:57:16.820 It's really difficult. Everyone's demoralized. Everyone's being poisoned by our water, air, and food, and economically burdened that we can't get that cut of beef that we would prefer.

02:57:31.280 So, we just sort of want to talk about, you know, mechanisms in which we can encourage ourselves to move, especially that it's spring here in Canada, finally, maybe.

02:57:41.460 And then we're talking with Gifts Ungiven next week, right?

02:57:46.160 And she's a streamer and a YouTuber, really popular.

02:57:49.840 She's smart and hot, so some of you guys will just need to, like, you know, bite on a stick when she comes through. 0.98

02:57:58.720 Johnny will put you in a seatbelt.

02:58:00.600 And then the week after that, or is it two weeks after that, on May 1st or 2nd, we're talking with Uncle Jared Taylor, and we should be doing that on White Excellence Radio.

02:58:16.320 Uncle Jared, the fit geezer, the OG.

02:58:20.300 He released another video, right?

02:58:21.940 Yeah, did you see that?

02:58:22.520 So good.

02:58:23.360 That's crazy.

02:58:24.580 So good.

02:58:25.600 That's how we can shame some of these men.

02:58:27.980 Uncle Jared.

02:58:28.800 Totally.

02:58:30.260 Geezer shame. 0.96

02:58:31.340 Women's shame and geezer shame. 1.00

02:58:33.500 So, no, he's great.

02:58:35.640 And he's such a lovely Southern gentleman and so polite and, you know, and just so intelligent, too.

02:58:44.180 So, we'll plan and prepare for that, and we should have a good panel.

02:58:48.540 We do try and keep, when we had a busy panel like we had tonight, we had eight speakers.

02:58:53.580 So, I know some people were trying to come up, but the guys were really cooking, and just to add more people and more people and more people just sometimes disrupts the flow.

02:59:05.280 So, don't take it personally.

02:59:07.900 We had a lot of panelists tonight, and I just wanted to let them cook.

02:59:12.700 They're starting to get really familiar with one another, and we are hopefully encouraging the next leaders of this country to rise.

02:59:22.900 So, if you have any feedback or people that you want to hear, you want to hear us speak about, or subjects you want to hear us talk about, send us a message.

02:59:34.000 We will consider it. 0.99

02:59:36.120 I'm not going to say we're going to do it, because I am of the fuck you make me. 0.99

02:59:40.980 You know, you can't make me talk about it. 0.99

02:59:43.400 Make your own space.

02:59:45.060 But, yeah, you know, I'm open to suggestions somewhat.

02:59:47.440 So, post-DLC tomorrow.

02:59:50.860 Lee, you're welcome back anytime.

02:59:52.600 Hopefully we'll see you guys.

02:59:53.760 Canadian girl, anytime.

02:59:55.040 Johnny Rotten, happy WrestleMania.

02:59:57.940 You know?

02:59:58.420 Yes.

02:59:59.020 Yes.

03:00:00.140 Zach?

03:00:01.080 Johnny and I will be talking about what's going on in the group chat.

03:00:03.920 You guys are going to be sending back and forth in the chat.

03:00:08.620 You guys are going to be inseparable.

03:00:09.820 I'm proud of you guys nuts. 1.00

03:00:12.040 I just want to see Travis Scott get hit with a fucking chair. 1.00

03:00:15.680 Yeah. 1.00

03:00:15.920 Rotten explained why Travis Scott needs to be hit by the chair.

03:00:19.460 I thought it was just because he was a nigg-nogg, but it's other reasons. 1.00

03:00:23.520 Yeah, well, he slapped it.

03:00:25.620 He didn't realize that it's not real.

03:00:28.520 He took a nice shot.

03:00:30.720 So, he's owed a receipt at this point, and I just want to see it.

03:00:35.380 It'll be fun.

03:00:36.540 Didn't a whole bunch of people die at a Travis Scott concert?

03:00:39.340 Yeah, there is that, too.

03:00:41.020 Yeah.

03:00:41.640 Yeah, there is that, too.

03:00:42.780 That was weird.

03:00:43.600 So, it'd be nice for somebody to take, like, an actual legitimate shot at him.

03:00:48.340 It'd be fun.

03:00:52.020 All right, folks.

03:00:53.700 All right.

03:00:53.900 We'll see you tomorrow.

03:00:54.960 We'll see you on the other side.

03:00:56.420 I'm going to gas the space.

03:00:57.580 Thank you for coming.

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postyX - April 21, 2025

Canadian Nationalist Rountable w⧸ Greg Wycliffe

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