postyX - Champion of Defiance： Talking with the NSN's Stephen Wells

00:00:00.000 I am here. Can you hear me? I can hear you loud and clear. So tonight, tonight we are speaking with

00:00:10.300 the most defiant man in Australia. His name is Stephen Wells. He's part of the National Socialist

00:00:21.720 Network in Australia and he has gone through quite an extraordinary journey. He is in the

00:00:29.200 audience right now. So Steve, if you want to click on the request mic, we'll bring you up or I can try

00:00:35.900 and throw you a mic if you can catch it. But we're going to bring him up onto the stage. I'm not sure

00:00:42.080 if he's on PC or if he is on a phone. I should have asked that in my production meeting. But we're going

00:00:50.520 to bring him up here and we're going to have a conversation about what is going on with the

00:00:58.040 Australian government banning all their accounts. And we're going to talk about his story of being

00:01:04.120 arrested and persecuted by the Australian legal system. And he's quite a base character. And I'll

00:01:14.080 even post his, a clip that I did, that I grabbed today. And I'll post it in the bubble. And

00:01:23.640 post it if you want to grab this. Yeah. Hold on a second here. All right. Who do we have? Who do we have

00:01:35.420 here? We have Steve up here. We're still waiting for Stephen Wells, right? Based? Yeah, no, I'm throwing

00:01:41.660 him a mic, but he's not grabbing it. So I think this is his first time. So I know. And the app is not the

00:01:49.640 greatest either. All right. I'm going to change the title up here. And then unless you want to do

00:01:55.040 that. Oh, wait, hold on. We got it. We got it. Here he comes.

00:02:00.800 Is that him? Yeah. Should be. Yeah. I thought he was mister.

00:02:12.840 Mike, unmute. Hello? Hello? Are we on? Yeah. Hi, can you hear me? Yes. Yeah, we are. I'll hand

00:02:20.200 you over to Stephen. All right. Hi, guys. Sorry, we're just having a little issue with my phone. So I'm

00:02:25.280 just using my wife's phone. Oh, your wife. She's really something, huh? Yeah. Like she's the real

00:02:33.680 hero in everything that happens to me here. Yeah. Like she's part of my list of questions. I hope she

00:02:39.180 stays close. All righty. Yeah. Yeah. Well, welcome, Stephen. It's really a pleasure and an honor to speak

00:02:47.860 with you. And a lot of us are excited. Those of us who have been in these inside white nationalist

00:02:54.320 circles have been following your story from the day you were incarcerated to the day you came

00:03:01.280 out. And we want to hear kind of all about it. But let's start by maybe you introducing yourself

00:03:09.380 to the audience. There's lots of Americans, Canadians, Europeans who may not know who you are. So

00:03:16.080 perhaps give us a little introduction. Yeah. So I joined the European Australian movements

00:03:25.920 about just over a year and a bit ago. I'd run for local council. And the guys had reached out

00:03:33.940 after there was a hit piece done on me in the media. The establishment had been sort of gunning for

00:03:43.500 me for a couple of years because I used to write for an Australian online magazine called the XYZ,

00:03:50.300 which has been more. There's now a magazine called the Noticer, which is more used now because

00:03:59.840 Dave sort of got burnt out doing the XYZ. So I've been so that they've been gunning for me for a while.

00:04:07.820 And they're gunning for me when I went for local council. But the guys from the EAM reached out to me.

00:04:15.360 And after sort of about a year in their company, they sort of realized that I wasn't quite as much

00:04:20.460 of a hothead as I made out. And so they decided to let me join with the NSN rally because they're

00:04:28.100 very, very careful about who they let go on the rallies because we just can't afford to have anybody

00:04:33.480 who's going to lose their temper doing it. So I actually joined the NSN on that day. That was my

00:04:39.600 first NSN rally.

00:04:42.000 Oh, whoa. No way. What a way to start. Oh, my God.

00:04:48.120 Yeah. And it was quite funny because my wife kind of had a premonition before I went there.

00:04:53.340 She's just like, you're going to get arrested. And I'm like, yeah, I probably am.

00:04:58.200 And so like when we were telling like family, like I'm going over to Adelaide because I live

00:05:03.960 in Perth. I says, yeah, what are you going to Adelaide for? I'm going over to Adelaide

00:05:08.400 to get arrested. And yeah, sure enough. So I spent exactly 37 minutes in the NSN before

00:05:16.580 I got arrested. And but yeah, I've been on the scene just in the background for a fair

00:05:25.140 while. Back in the in the covid tyranny, I was one of the head speakers at the rallies,

00:05:32.020 the anti-lockdown rallies in Perth for about a year until I wrote a piece on a guy called

00:05:38.120 Avi Yemeni, who is a sort of Jewish.

00:05:42.280 The worst.

00:05:43.940 Yeah.

00:05:45.340 Yeah. I wrote a piece on him just sort of saying because he was sort of being one of the

00:05:51.500 sort of controlled opposition Jews, trying to make out that all Jews are quite not all

00:05:55.740 Jews are bad kind of thing. And he runs for rebel. He works for rebel media down in Australia

00:06:01.580 now. And he was sort of doing all of these things, saying how bad the covid tyranny was.

00:06:06.740 But I just didn't trust him. So I wrote a piece sort of saying, look, he may be OK, but until

00:06:11.420 he actually starts speaking about out about all the Jews, I can't trust him like me, like

00:06:18.060 he may be an OK, he may be the exception to the rule. He may be OK. I have no idea, never

00:06:22.200 met the guy. But as long as he's, you know, talking about covid, but not talking about,

00:06:28.060 you know, multiculturalism and and how the Jews are behind it, then I can't trust him.

00:06:33.320 And anyway, that that little article got me banned from being the speaker at the covid rallies

00:06:40.280 because they didn't want any any bad media about one of their speakers being a, you know,

00:06:46.900 a so-called Nazi. So so that's what put me on on the list of writing that article about

00:06:55.020 him and others. And so I've been on the that article itself got me on some Jewish lobby groups.

00:07:04.140 Top 20 most dangerous anti-Semites in Australia, which was an absolute, absolutely hilarious

00:07:10.220 that they that to be of the most dangerous, not just an anti-Semite, but the most dangerous

00:07:16.280 in Australia. All you had to do was write an article about some reporter and say, hey,

00:07:21.120 I don't I don't know whether I can trust him or not yet. But yeah, so I've been on that

00:07:24.860 list for the past three years or four years now. I don't know. So, yeah, I've been sort

00:07:30.540 of in the background. I mean, I'm not as prominent as, say, Tom Sewell or Blair Cottrell or Joel

00:07:35.100 Davis or Jacob Hursant. But yeah, I'm known. I've still got a small profile of jabbing the

00:07:47.740 bear here in Australia. So, yeah.

00:07:50.580 Well, we love obviously we love the like the the hierarchy of of the NSN, you know, Joel

00:07:56.820 and Tom and Blair, even though Blair technically isn't in the NSN. And and Jacob, we've spoken

00:08:02.340 with him. But we also love like the other ranks. You know, we've spoken a lot with Tim

00:08:07.140 Lutz and Jimbo and and what's his name? Mikkel. Yeah. So we've we've spoken with a bunch of

00:08:15.520 them as well on different podcasts and in spaces. And you guys are quite like a Robin Hood's

00:08:23.740 army of these, you know, misfit toys that have come together. And you're you're you're

00:08:30.220 all impressionable or impressive individuals in in your own way. So may I ask you, like what

00:08:38.380 like how did you become racialized? You're you've said in your interview that you're 54 years

00:08:44.220 old. So I'm trusting that you've spent a part of your life, you know, in the United Colors

00:08:51.100 of Benetton, you know, we are the world. We're all the same. And then something happens

00:08:56.380 and you shift. Or were you always like this? No, no, I was, you know, I was a center left

00:09:04.160 lefty for years, you know, you know, moderate, a moderate lefty, you know, as far as lefties

00:09:11.620 can go being moderate. But I'm 56, by the way, now I was doing doing the female trick of trying

00:09:20.280 to pretend I'm younger. We never would have told been able to tell. Okay, fair enough.

00:09:26.560 Yeah. So yeah, what, what started me on the journey was the global warming scam. And that's

00:09:35.880 probably like the area of my, my biggest area of expertise right now. Do you know a guy called

00:09:42.280 Joseph Postma in the United States? Sorry, in Canada? So I don't. Fairy, do you know Joseph?

00:09:50.440 Steve? Anyone?

00:09:53.560 I don't. He's, he's, he's, he's a Canadian physicist. He lives in Calgary. And, and he and I are pretty

00:10:02.240 good friends. And, you know, we were talking a bit. My wife was passing on the message to

00:10:07.480 him that had been arrested and stuff. He's been speaking out, not just about global warming,

00:10:12.640 but about the greenhouse effect itself, which is the foundation from which all of the physics

00:10:19.040 is, is based from. And basically saying that it's, it's fraudulent. Like, it's just a complete

00:10:25.400 pseudoscience crap. There is no such thing as a greenhouse effect. And that's, you know,

00:10:30.700 it's not just that carbon dioxide won't cause a little bit of warming. It can't cause any.

00:10:35.920 It's just, it violates all of the laws of thermodynamics and stuff. And I sort of came

00:10:43.320 across that, that realization independently one day after a guy had basically chewed me

00:10:51.640 out on, on Facebook when I was pushing back on, you know, just, just giving all of the,

00:10:58.680 the normie responses that you've been programmed with about global warming. And this guy just

00:11:02.660 basically destroyed me on this chat. And I'm one of those people that I don't like to lose

00:11:07.540 an argument. And I'm also one of these people who knows when he has lost an argument. And

00:11:11.180 I've lost this argument and I'm like, right, well, if I ever meet this bastard again, if

00:11:16.040 I ever meet him again or anybody like him again, I'm going to be ready. So I went away and picked

00:11:20.860 up all of these physics books and started looking into it properly. And at the end of it all,

00:11:25.640 I realized that, Oh my God, this guy, not only was this guy right, but there is no greenhouse

00:11:29.720 effect either. And, um, and then that got me on a journey and I got speaking to all of

00:11:35.740 these PhD scientists. Uh, Joseph was one of them and they, they taught me some more and

00:11:41.400 I spent the next sort of seven years, um, just becoming an expert in, in the physics of

00:11:46.800 that. And then of course it's like, well, who, who, who is responsible for this scam?

00:11:51.280 This is the greatest scam in the history of science. Um, so who is responsible? And then

00:11:57.080 you find out about globalism. And then that led me down to finding out about the vaccines

00:12:01.800 and viruses were just as, as just as, uh, based on nothing as, as global warming. Um, and,

00:12:09.620 and then you start finding out, well, what, what else do these people want? What else do

00:12:13.620 these people, these globalists want that, you know, that I don't, that, uh, you know,

00:12:18.620 to, to fulfill their horrible plan of taking over the world and having a one world government.

00:12:23.820 And then you find out about immigration. And, and so from there, then that led me to then

00:12:30.040 speaking to, to nationalists and getting that perspective and then just realizing, yeah,

00:12:34.820 well, I remember the Bosnian war. You know, I, I, I had a couple of Muslim friends, uh, back

00:12:40.600 in 1995 who had fled Bosnia because after 200 years of trying to make everybody all the

00:12:46.560 same and 40 odd years of communism, trying to say that we're all comrades. As soon as

00:12:50.960 the Soviet union fell, the first thing that happened was all of the ethnic groups that

00:12:54.740 had been hating on each other for 200 years and the Habsburg empire, they all started killing

00:12:58.800 each other. And I'm like, well, yeah, duh. Why, why, why has it taken me 50 years to realize

00:13:05.820 this? You know, it's like, it's obvious, you know, different people are different and,

00:13:11.500 you know, it's not like I'm, I'm particularly racist now in terms of like hating on any individual.

00:13:16.900 But at the same time, I realized it doesn't matter how, how the majority of people, um,

00:13:24.060 get along with each other. All it takes is for a small minority to hate. And there is always

00:13:28.960 going to be a small minority that hates. And if you get lots of different small minorities,

00:13:33.580 well, all the haters are going to start fighting with each other. And then whether

00:13:38.060 you're, um, whether you're moderate or whether you're not moderate, it's going to make no

00:13:42.180 difference. You're still going to die if you don't take a side. So it just made sense to

00:13:48.320 like, well, obviously for self-preservation, I've got to stick with my own tribe. And because

00:13:54.000 the government's bringing in more and more people from different things, and I can see all

00:13:58.380 of the rise of, um, of violence around and all the gang violence and stuff. And I'm like,

00:14:03.580 dude, it's, it's either become racist or die. It's, it's, it's that simple. It's, it's not

00:14:11.840 nothing to do with all of the programming and stuff. And obviously as you go down, you, you

00:14:17.940 start sort of realizing just how badly you have been programmed, you know? And I, I ended

00:14:22.900 up sort of like going from like my wife, having gay friends to like, just not having anything

00:14:28.300 to do with any gay people anymore because you just realize that even that, you know,

00:14:34.180 like everything, everything I've been told as a, as a Gen Xer, um, at the end of the

00:14:40.200 boomer period has been a lie and it's been programmed to me. And I look at shows like

00:14:44.380 Star Trek now and I go, well, there you go. One world dictatorship where everybody looks

00:14:50.520 different, but everybody is, is the same. And they're all, they were all, they're all

00:14:54.700 American liberals in, on the Starship Enterprise. Um, they all look different, but there's,

00:15:00.240 there's, there's only one culture. There isn't multiculturalism. There's only one culture

00:15:04.540 and it's the Starship Enterprise culture. And, uh, and even all of the aliens, they all end

00:15:10.800 up with the same belief system somehow. Um, and you just think, God, this has been programmed

00:15:16.560 into me for so long. So that was the kind of the journey. It started off with, uh, debunking

00:15:22.120 global warming and, um, it just naturally led then to finding the truth about everything

00:15:27.980 else. Um, okay. So Alex, just hold, hold tight. It's nice to have you up here, my friend.

00:15:35.020 Um, but I just want to like, let's fast forward to the day and I'm interested by the pipelines

00:15:40.120 that people get to, to become racialized. Right. And we all have different ones. One of

00:15:46.100 our friends, HT, it was through food, right? When he started looking into GMOs and that kind

00:15:51.720 of thing. And then all of these, a sudden he found himself like down a Jew tunnel and,

00:15:56.920 um, you know, many of this different pipelines, but it's funny. Cause as Steven was explaining,

00:16:03.320 you know, his kind of journey, it just reminded me of something we've, we've used as an analogy

00:16:08.960 before, which is a lot of people start at different threads on the spider web and, you

00:16:14.420 know, the spider web turns left and right as you go down it and you find more information.

00:16:18.940 But if you keep honestly and genuinely following the truth until the end, eventually you find

00:16:24.780 a big fucking nose at the center of that spider web.

00:16:32.060 It gets pretty rock and rolling here there, Steve. Um, we're a little wild.

00:16:37.440 That's good.

00:16:38.060 The first time I got banned on telegram was, uh, for putting up a, um, uh, a movie poster,

00:16:46.360 uh, of, of jaws, except it had a big nose and it said, and there was money at the top of it and

00:16:50.380 said, Jews.

00:16:51.780 Yes, that's right. That'll get you, that'll get you kicked off.

00:16:54.660 That sounds like something mediate would do too. So.

00:16:57.140 Yeah. Yeah. Mediate would definitely do that. Uh, he's one of our favorites.

00:17:00.900 So I guess let's fast forward. Okay. So now you're red pilled, you're racialized, you've joined the

00:17:07.400 NSN for like 24 hours. You're politically active. You're got your finger on the pulse,

00:17:13.340 at least of kind of what's going on. And then like it's Australia day and you're in Adelaide.

00:17:20.180 Is that correct? And what happened? Yeah.

00:17:22.900 What happened? Um, well, we, we, we sort of knew that they were, um, that they were like

00:17:32.600 just ramping up the efforts to, uh, to shut us down. Um, you know, the premier went on TV,

00:17:38.580 uh, I think two days before saying he wouldn't tolerate our presence on the streets. Um, the

00:17:44.900 chief of police went on TV the day before saying he was going to invoke so-called special powers

00:17:50.880 to, uh, to, uh, to deal with us. Um, he hasn't actually got any special powers. It's not COVID

00:17:56.280 anymore. Um, but yeah, so we knew that they were sort of, that they were hyping up the hysteria

00:18:04.320 in the media about us. Um, so yeah, I mean, we, we had a lot of strategies for trying to avoid,

00:18:12.480 uh, being arrested, uh, that day. And we also had ramped down the rhetoric, um, that we normally

00:18:20.560 do on, uh, these kinds of, um, street activism events because it was Australia day and we wanted

00:18:26.560 it to be more of a celebration in defiance of them shutting down all the official celebrations

00:18:32.920 for Australia day that day. So we were in Adelaide specifically, uh, well, it was, we decided

00:18:38.420 to do the nationals there. Um, but, uh, our, uh, our focus that day was because the South Australian

00:18:46.000 government had canceled all of the official Australia day celebrations that normally go

00:18:50.920 on, but had given permits to the invasion day protests, basically the commies who want

00:18:59.380 to, um, say that white people were really bad for coming to Australia. So all of these protests

00:19:05.360 were authorized, but the official Australia day celebrations have been shut down. So we decided,

00:19:10.220 well, we're going to go in, um, as the NSN, we're going to turn up in our uniforms and

00:19:15.340 celebrate Australia day. Uh, we're going to sing waltzing Matilda. Uh, we're not going

00:19:20.760 to be overly, um, provocative in what we do that day. Um, other than just to say a few

00:19:27.940 sound bites. So the media get outraged and we get some coverage. Um, but otherwise we're

00:19:33.060 mainly just going to stand next to a statue and sing waltzing Matilda, um, for about an hour,

00:19:37.940 like make sure the media got our clip of us and then piss off to the beach. Uh, that

00:19:42.740 was the idea. Um, but we literally, as we were arriving, they were already beginning

00:19:48.640 the arrests. So there were people who were arrested for loitering who didn't even make

00:19:53.000 it to the, to the initial meeting place. So, and then they were arrested for loitering

00:19:58.480 before they even got there. And then they were also charged with displaying a Nazi symbol

00:20:03.660 because they had the shirt inside their bag. The, the, the legislation that's been

00:20:08.380 passed is that you, um, it's illegal to publicly display a so-called Nazi symbol. Uh, not that

00:20:16.060 we had any Nazi symbols on us. We had the, uh, I'll go into that later, but they didn't

00:20:21.320 even have their shirts on. It was in their bag and they hadn't even made it to the, uh,

00:20:26.280 to the war memorial where we were starting the event and they got stopped before they

00:20:30.580 got there. They got illegally searched and then arrested for loitering and wearing a

00:20:34.180 Nazi symbol. That's, that's how bad it was.

00:20:41.020 Sorry, I'm not close to my mic. So you were like basically captured by the police and, um,

00:20:48.340 and then how many days were you in prison? Like it's, you said half of Thomas Sewell's,

00:20:52.780 but so I calculated it was like around a hundred, a hundred and five days. But how long were you

00:20:57.880 kept it in demand and then prison? Yeah, I think it was a hundred and five. It was, um,

00:21:04.620 uh, what would it be? Yeah. It'd be 16 and a half weeks, I think, or 15 and a half weeks,

00:21:10.200 something like that. Um, so, um, yeah, six, 16 weeks. Oh, just under 16 weeks. I think I was in

00:21:18.640 jail for about half of what Tom was in. Cause he was in the 210 days and I think I was in for about

00:21:23.060 105. Yeah. And that's something I think, you know, and ferryman might be able to comment on

00:21:28.360 this, but something that we notice is, um, you know, like how the media kind of sets the stage

00:21:34.720 in planting hysteria prior to your arrival somewhere. Um, during his, uh, tour he did with, on Canada

00:21:42.700 in Canada last year, um, every city town that they were known to be going to, uh, it was like

00:21:50.100 the local media, the city media, and then the national media started like writing stories about

00:21:56.040 it and getting really trying to get everybody afraid and hysterical and like, you know, in a

00:22:01.280 panic. Um, and, and ultimately it was a big giant nothing burger cause nothing happened. They, you

00:22:06.780 know, got off the tour bus, said hello to everybody, ate a cheeseburger and then, you know, kept going.

00:22:12.060 But there was an amplification through the media to create this fear, panic, hysteria amongst the

00:22:18.980 normies in the population. Yeah, that definitely happens in Australia, uh, big time. Um, like any,

00:22:26.760 anytime we're doing anything, they, they sort of say, Oh, you know, channel 10 has learned that

00:22:32.420 Nazis are coming to, you know, and then they, they go on and that's usually like a day or two

00:22:37.060 beforehand. Um, I mean the, the, you know, it sounds like when we go of our national events,

00:22:44.480 the previous one, uh, the one in Brisbane, which was six months earlier, I mean, uh, they, they didn't

00:22:50.960 even, um, go after people so much on the, the protest march the day before they turned up with

00:22:57.860 submachine guns and helicopters and cordoned off the street to, to try and raid the weightlifting

00:23:02.940 event. You know, that, that's, that's how, um, you know, how, how crazy it is over here. Um,

00:23:09.940 you know, so that was like a family event. It was nothing to do with the public. It was just a

00:23:13.780 private, uh, meetup where we were, everyone was going weight training and they were going to have

00:23:18.600 a weightlifting competition in a, in a private venue. And there were, you know, a hundred, a hundred

00:23:23.600 cops showed up with submachine guns and, and tried to, uh, tried to crash the event and they cordoned

00:23:28.740 off the street and they had helicopters and the, the local residents were like, what the hell's going

00:23:32.840 on here? Why is that? Why are there, you know, why are there police for submachine guns in my

00:23:36.800 street? Um, and it was just because the NSN had decided to, um, have a social event. That,

00:23:42.520 that's, that's kind of what they like. Um, now there's two Steve's in the room. So I'll

00:23:48.760 refer to Steve Hanson as Hanson. Um, Steve Hanson, will you go ahead?

00:23:55.800 Yeah, I just wanted to put in there that I think it was on the march or like once you guys had

00:24:02.420 assembled at the memorial that, um, members that were arrested, they were charged with

00:24:08.880 wearing an article of disguise and being familiar with the NSN. I know that oftentimes you guys

00:24:15.560 do protests with face coverings to protect your anonymity, but that day, uh, wasn't the decision

00:24:23.480 made to be masked off. And the only sort of coverage on your face was sunnies or sunglasses,

00:24:30.360 as we call them in North America. So are sunnies now an article of disguise according to the

00:24:36.180 Australian government? Uh, pretty much. Yeah. Um, yeah. So we decided because, uh, a few weeks

00:24:43.300 before, uh, the Adelaide chapter had gone and done, uh, some activism, uh, and they passed

00:24:48.760 the laws, um, uh, uh, against no, sorry. No, they hadn't actually, um, passed the laws banning

00:24:57.240 masks yet in North, South Australia. So they went mask on a couple of weeks before. Um,

00:25:03.660 but knowing that it was, wasn't against the law. So the police arrested them on an obscure

00:25:09.180 law of, of wearing an article of disguise, um, which is, but, you know, basically for bank

00:25:15.420 robbers, you know, wearing an article of disguise to commit a crime basically is the, the full

00:25:20.300 legislation is, and it's, it goes back to like the 1950s. I think that's this, this law

00:25:25.160 was passed. So they were all, um, on bail with stupid bail conditions based on wearing

00:25:32.340 the masks. And so it was like, well, you know, the mask was more of a thing for us than, you

00:25:37.980 know, trying to disguise us, uh, unlike what is claimed by, uh, our opponents. So it was

00:25:44.040 like, well, well, if you want to, if you want to join in this time, guys, it's going to be

00:25:48.900 mask off. So anybody who's, you know, doesn't want to get doxxed at their job and stuff, uh,

00:25:54.400 don't join in. Um, and I think there were only like three or four people who, uh, were

00:26:00.420 in that situation where they had a high paying job that they couldn't afford to

00:26:04.060 lose. Um, so pretty much nearly all of us decided to go ahead with it. But so, yeah,

00:26:08.960 we were, uh, hat and sunnies and the ones who got charged with wearing an item, an item

00:26:15.780 of disguise had a bucket hat with a rim on. And the ones who weren't charged with, uh, wearing

00:26:21.880 an article of disguise would feel who were wearing a black cap. So I was wearing a black

00:26:26.000 cap and sunnies. So I didn't get charged with wearing an article of disguise. Whereas the

00:26:30.100 ones who had a rimmed hat, they were charged with wearing an article of disguise. So there

00:26:33.940 you go.

00:26:37.100 So it wasn't even the sunnies, it was the style of hat.

00:26:40.940 So it was, it was, it was, it was, it was a combination. Yeah. So if you, if you had a

00:26:47.000 sunnies, like if you're wearing a hat on its own, you're okay. If you're wearing sunnies

00:26:52.280 and a cap, you're okay. But if you're wearing sunnies and a bucket hat, well, you're in

00:26:56.820 trouble.

00:26:57.620 And I guess that's because the bucket hat, yeah, the bucket hat covers, I guess, a little

00:27:02.300 bit more than a baseball hat. Is that their logic or I'm assuming so? Yes. Yes.

00:27:08.960 Sombreros and hijabs from here on in boys.

00:27:12.000 Yeah. Wouldn't it have been funny if you guys tried that with the hijab? What would they

00:27:15.700 do then? It's like a Chinese finger trap.

00:27:20.080 Well, then they would get us on cultural appropriation and disrespecting the Muslims.

00:27:26.920 That's right. That's right. So I suppose like there is sort of what, how they treated you

00:27:34.280 because you were held in remand. And so we've had a situation in Canada where there were some

00:27:41.040 men, they were called the Coots Four and they've been held, they were held in remand.

00:27:45.160 I don't know the exact number of days, but it was like at least, it was over 200.

00:27:50.860 It was around 725 to 740 days, something like that.

00:27:57.140 Two years.

00:27:58.660 Yeah. Held in remand, you know, the charges were very serious, though they appeared quite

00:28:06.100 trumped up. And, you know, they were, they're being denied the actual process of justice.

00:28:12.940 And that was the punishment in itself. Right. And, you know, some of them had medical concerns

00:28:17.780 and they weren't being addressed. And, you know, some of them had, you know, particular

00:28:23.440 like nutritional needs and those weren't being met. And so they were getting quite sick in

00:28:30.220 prison. So, well, and I call it prison, but it's a remand center. It's different than prison

00:28:36.760 because then in prison, there is like a standard of conduct and a standard of care that doesn't

00:28:44.980 necessarily need to be met in a remand center because it's, it's supposed to be like a holding

00:28:49.660 tank temporarily for a weekend until you're in front of a judge. And then, you know, they

00:28:53.960 channel you wherever you're going after that. But they just held these men in a purgatory

00:28:58.920 for a really, really long time. And often there is many similarities between the justice system,

00:29:06.760 the political system in Canada and the United States. We have similar, you know, criminal

00:29:12.720 politicians and, you know, we see similarities in the criminality in our intelligence agencies

00:29:18.720 and the police and, you know, how this plays out into, you know, white nationalists, ethno-nationalists

00:29:27.480 in Canada and Australia sort of plays out very much the same. It doesn't matter what happens to us.

00:29:36.040 It's like the law doesn't need to apply to equally and fairly towards us. Would you say that that was

00:29:43.860 kind of your experience in Australia? Yeah, I mean, it actually goes much deeper and further. I mean,

00:29:51.540 eventually they, they got, they realized that solitary confinement in the remand center was,

00:29:58.680 wasn't working on them. So they sent me to the full prison, a prison called Yatala, which is a maximum

00:30:04.400 security people for convicted criminals. And there I learned that people were on remand in the main prison.

00:30:13.860 Um, and the, the issue of, um, basically holding people before trial and denying presumption of

00:30:23.740 innocence, um, it's systemic throughout the entire system. It's not just being used politically. It's

00:30:29.360 being used against anybody they don't like for any reason. So my cellmate who they shoved me into,

00:30:35.880 in with, uh, he was also on remand and he'd been on remand on trumped up charges for seven months.

00:30:41.700 And then the last person I met in prison was a guy who was charged with murder. Um, and he'd been on remand

00:30:49.420 for five years. So basically waiting for trial for five years. Um, now whether he was guilty or not is not

00:30:56.520 really the issue. The issue is that if you're in a situation, if you've got a situation where you can be

00:31:02.240 arrested and charged with something real or imagined, and you've got to wait five years before you get in front

00:31:09.700 of a judge, well, that is something systemic in, um, in our law and justice system, which can

00:31:20.000 eventually bring society down because it's, if you don't have proper rule of law, and if we don't have

00:31:26.260 presumption of innocence, well, then we don't have the very foundation from which the British, um,

00:31:32.280 system, um, managed to grow and, uh, and take over the world with. So, you know, this is the, this is,

00:31:40.580 this goes back all the way to Magna Carta. This, this goes back 800 years and it's just been somewhere

00:31:48.520 along the line. People weren't paying attention because it was criminals that we were originally

00:31:53.540 dealing with and who gives a fuck about criminals. Uh, but the repercussions go down the line for

00:32:00.400 everybody. So what happened to me, I realized wasn't something that they were exclusively doing

00:32:06.820 to political opponents. It was something that they were doing as a matter of course. And I was banging

00:32:14.060 my head against a brick wall with the magistrates when I was trying to tell them, look, I have the

00:32:18.740 presumption of innocence. You can't do this to me. I'm, you know, you, you can't just do all of these

00:32:24.840 things to me and punish me more than what the sentence for being guilty could punish me for,

00:32:31.260 you know, cause they, they held, they held me for a crime, which has a maximum sentence of three

00:32:36.520 months in jail. And I was in there for four months, you know, and I was in solitary. And so,

00:32:42.100 and it should have been a, if I'd been convicted, it would have been, you know, uh, if I was going to

00:32:47.140 get prison at all, it would be a minimum security prison. And I was in a maximum security prison with

00:32:51.300 murderers and rapists and, and drug addicts and stuff. Um, so the punishment, the process is the

00:32:59.300 punishment now, and that's just systemic across all of Australia. And I've seen it in England and

00:33:04.500 obviously what you just told me now sounds like it's systemic all across the Western world that

00:33:08.940 we have got a situation where the court process can simply hold people indefinitely, um, waiting for

00:33:17.200 trial whenever the police or prosecution or judges decide that they don't like someone.

00:33:24.160 Hanson, you want to jump in there, buddy?

00:33:27.480 Yeah, just a question on that, because I imagine it's similar in Australia here in Canada. Uh,

00:33:34.880 the crown has, I believe it's 30 months to prosecute, um, charges that are, uh, like indictable

00:33:44.640 offenses. So I'm wondering, uh, aside from just utter corruption and negligence of following due

00:33:53.060 process, like how can they justify holding a man for five years and remand when I would

00:34:00.220 assume that they would only have a limited window from when they charge him to one, like

00:34:07.240 they can, uh, have a trial. Uh, imagine if it's 30 months in Canada, it's something similar

00:34:13.220 in Australia.

00:34:15.240 I have no idea to be honest, what the law is. I can only say what's happened and what

00:34:19.980 is happening. Um, I've, I've, the guy I met personally was five years, but I've heard a

00:34:25.600 story of seven years. So like, like the longest person to be held in remand was in remand

00:34:30.580 for seven years, I think is the record here in Australia. Um, but yeah, I mean, obviously

00:34:36.140 it's like with everything, if, if people aren't aware of it and people aren't, um, you know,

00:34:41.360 complaining about it, then it goes undetected and until it gets detected. And, um, and so

00:34:50.040 like one of the things that, um, my case has been able to do is, is, is basically bring

00:34:56.580 to light just how bad the justice system has become and how, um, normalized it is. I mean,

00:35:02.600 none of the magistrates I dealt with seem to even think that anything, you know, they were,

00:35:08.620 they were like surprised. I even brought up Magna Carta to them. You know, they were like,

00:35:11.800 what are you talking about? You know, this is normal. This is what we do, you know? And

00:35:15.600 he was trying to justify, you know, um, what he was doing to me by saying, well, you know,

00:35:21.360 if a bank robber was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was giving me all of these analogies

00:35:26.160 and I'm like, what on earth are you talking about, mate? But it was all normal to this magistrate.

00:35:31.900 Um, but this was obviously something he was doing on a, on a daily basis and thought nothing

00:35:36.480 of it. This was just habit. This was just normal for him. Well, obviously when, you know,

00:35:44.440 Australians celebrate Australia day, it causes the death of like 6 million abos, right?

00:35:51.340 Oh, at least. Yeah. Yeah. Every year. I mean, there's, there's a, there's a Holocaust that

00:35:55.360 goes on every year here, mate. You know, and don't you dare, don't you dare question it.

00:35:59.700 I'm laughing. Yeah. It's like, my friend likes to call it the Holocaust, you know? And so it's

00:36:12.100 gotten to this point where it's just really funny. Posty, do you have something? Yeah. Do you want

00:36:16.600 me to keep going? I was just going to ask and it's kind of, I don't know, maybe it's a little

00:36:20.580 bit philosophical, but unfortunately that's where my brain goes. But like, do you, do you think

00:36:25.080 that, like, I know obviously the Australian government is, is doing all this shit to discourage,

00:36:29.800 you know, the NSN and organizations like that, but do you think that the, you know, major response

00:36:34.900 to a lot of the stuff of law enforcement is also to kind of give the public an image that

00:36:38.920 you guys are really dangerous as well? Yeah. I think, you know, from what I gathered from

00:36:45.260 the police when, you know, when I was looking at the, um, the case that they put together

00:36:49.140 against me, I mean, uh, the, the, these police officers, they're just as brainwashed as,

00:36:55.340 as the public. I mean, they're absolutely like some of the things that they were putting

00:37:00.240 in the, in their case against me. I'm like, are you really that retarded? Um, and yeah,

00:37:05.040 I just think they are. So, um, uh, I think it's one of those situations that once you're

00:37:11.440 in an, in a cult, uh, which the police are, um, you believe the cult. Um, it's almost

00:37:19.280 like mass psychosis, right? Like the, you know, like they have a mass psychosis, uh, everybody,

00:37:24.400 like they're all following the, you know, the lead of, of one or whatever the common, uh,

00:37:29.840 thought or the opinion, I guess you could say. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're just as hyped

00:37:34.280 up by fear, um, as, as the general public are. Um, I mean, as I said, there was that,

00:37:40.220 uh, there was that guy who, who shot up all of the churches in New Zealand, um, a few

00:37:47.580 years back, you know, nothing, nothing to do with any of the nationalist movement. As

00:37:51.240 far as I'm aware, he, um, he was a leftist who went to Israel and then came back and all

00:37:56.740 of a sudden had a bunch of guns, um, and then went around shooting Muslims. Um, not something

00:38:02.860 that the NSN would ever do or anybody, anybody in our movement would ever do, you know, uh, we're

00:38:07.820 not that stupid. Um, but you know, my, my case, they were, they were bringing up this

00:38:13.600 guy, you know, I, I was the next one of him. I was, I was, I was as dangerous as this guy

00:38:18.540 who went over to Israel and came back and shot up a bunch of churches in, in, in New Zealand.

00:38:22.400 So they, there you go. That was their mentality. You know, anybody who thinks this way is the

00:38:28.000 next terrorist. So, um, you know, there's not much you can do against brainwashing that deep.

00:38:33.840 Yeah. Well, and it's wholly unsurprising that, uh, when the media reported on the Christchurch

00:38:42.420 shooter, that they left out that important detail that he had gone to Israel before coming

00:38:48.760 back and suddenly having a bunch of guns, the country where it's pretty hard to get those

00:38:53.480 guns and then shot up that boss. Um, I did also want to remark quickly that the evidence

00:39:01.600 of how, um, brainwashed and deranged the police are in Australia is, um, the recording of the

00:39:11.060 police, um, on Australia day where one of them was remarking about how he wanted to just

00:39:18.320 off you guys.

00:39:19.180 Yeah. Um, we've, we've still got to like, like, like, like four hours worth of footage

00:39:24.680 and we've got to, um, I'm seeing Tom, um, tomorrow and hopefully he'll, uh, he'll have

00:39:30.760 gone through the recordings a bit more because, um, uh, I was, uh, yeah, not so much. I wasn't,

00:39:39.000 um, deliberately abused. I was left in a situation of being, uh, going through cramps in the back

00:39:45.060 of the van and basically screaming my head off in pain, uh, for about 10 minutes. Um,

00:39:51.240 and it's possible that that might've been caught on, uh, recording as well, which will be really

00:39:56.660 good if it does in terms of, um, of suing the bastards. Um, because, um, yeah, they basically

00:40:03.640 sort of found me in the back, in the back of the van in a cramped space with my hands behind

00:40:08.500 my back, um, basically just going through cramps, uh, and rather than take the cuffs off, they,

00:40:14.180 they deliberately shut the door and left me to suffer for a while. Um, and so it's, it's possible

00:40:19.580 that that actually might be recorded as well. Um, so I'll, I'll hopefully find out the, whether

00:40:25.180 that was on the tape or not tomorrow, but, um, yeah, it's, they, they, uh, they weren't particularly

00:40:32.360 pleasant when they arrested us. Let's put it that way.

00:40:37.520 So Steve, I guess I kind of want to, I want to like, want to philosophize with you a little

00:40:42.500 bit right now. So we've got the nuts and bolts of what happened. Um, and you know, the, the wheels

00:40:48.560 of the miscarriage of justice and, you know, how they're clunking down the tracks, but there were,

00:40:55.360 there were some things that you said when you were speaking with Blair and Joel that I want to expand

00:41:00.540 upon. And, um, and I, I, I took one of my favorite clips, um, and I posted it to share about today's,

00:41:08.380 um, interview. Um, but you were, you were speaking to those who don't want to risk their house,

00:41:14.920 their finances, their job or jail time. And, and you were saying like, yes, it is horrible,

00:41:22.180 but there is like having gone through this, you were kind of like almost in a, maybe it was because

00:41:30.300 you were just released, but like there was a euphoria that came with it too, because of what

00:41:35.720 it did to your self-esteem, how it developed you spiritually, um, how it like carved you into a

00:41:43.260 new, stronger man. And I'm wondering if you could expand upon those changes in your character and even

00:41:52.220 your soul. Yeah. And I've, I've been preaching this stuff, uh, since the COVID era, um, that if

00:42:02.320 you want to make change against a violent regime, uh, against a powerful regime, you've really only

00:42:10.520 got one tool at your disposal and it's not us all standing together. We keep getting told,

00:42:17.100 Oh, we all just stand together. We can defeat them. Well, that's absolute bullshit. I saw that,

00:42:23.280 um, you know, during the COVID era, we had like the largest protests in Australia's history. There was

00:42:29.560 like half a million people in Melbourne alone protesting about the vaxxers. And then the next

00:42:35.920 day, everybody went back home to work and realized, well, we weren't all, we may have been all standing

00:42:41.340 together, you know, chanting against the government. But, uh, the next day when you went back to work,

00:42:47.460 you were alone, you were alone and you had to face, am I going to keep my job or am I going to lose

00:42:53.640 my job? And there was nobody around you. And it was all on you. And what happened was 500,000 people

00:43:00.220 to a million people went and protested in Australia on the Saturday. And then on the Monday,

00:43:06.960 maybe a hundred thousand refused, you know? And, um, and at the end of the day, it's always going to be

00:43:16.840 on you. It's always going to be on you, the individual to take the choice of courage. And

00:43:25.040 yes, there will always be a consequence. It's always going to be like, you're the first person

00:43:31.220 to do it. And you're going to feel alone and it's going to be like terrible. And yeah, and yes,

00:43:36.920 you may lose your house and yes, you may lose your job. And yeah, maybe your wife will leave you.

00:43:42.060 Maybe you, maybe they'll take your kids away. Maybe you, you won't, you know, uh, if you don't

00:43:48.160 wear the mask, you'll, you'll miss that last moments with the dying relative because you didn't

00:43:52.800 wear the mask. But that's always been the case. That's always been the case. And this is anybody

00:43:59.060 who's anybody who's a Christian or believes themselves to be a Christian. Um, this is the central

00:44:05.700 message when Jesus tells people, you need to put God first. You need to let go of everything in the

00:44:15.460 world and put God first. And God can mean just the truth. God can mean your integrity. God can mean

00:44:24.200 just doing what's right. But that is the central message that is resonates, not just in Christianity,

00:44:30.840 but down through the ages. And we're promised that you will be rewarded if you are prepared to make

00:44:38.480 that sacrifice. And yeah, until you actually make that sacrifice, you don't know whether that's true

00:44:44.860 or not. You keep thinking about that the reward will be after you die. And that's where the reward

00:44:49.480 be. Or maybe, maybe that's when you will get the reward. Maybe you won't get it in this life.

00:44:53.700 But all I know is when me doing it when I did it. Um, and my sacrifice was tiny in comparison to what

00:45:03.340 people have done throughout the ages. But yeah, I just felt at peace. It just felt so right. It just

00:45:12.120 felt that my life finally has some meaning that I'm not just some random blob and amoeba in a in an

00:45:21.800 infinite universe whose purpose is just random. It was just like, if I die tomorrow, or if I die in

00:45:28.920 50 years, I'll always have this moment where where I know that I was here for something that my life

00:45:35.800 meant something. How much did it mean? I don't know, but it meant something. And, uh, and that's

00:45:41.640 priceless. It's, it's worth more than your house. It's worth more than anything. It's, it's worth more

00:45:47.460 than your relationships with other people. It's just, uh, it's a foundation. It's a solid,

00:45:52.840 um, shell and, um, defense against everything bad in the world that no matter what else they take

00:46:03.980 from you, they can't ultimately you are you and you've, you've held onto you and you've come out as

00:46:11.920 you. And, um, I, I can't, I can't express or explain enough just how wonderful that is and how

00:46:21.740 bulletproof that makes you regardless of what they do to you physically or what they do to your

00:46:26.980 US finances or people around you. Um, so yeah, I mean, I don't recommend people go out and seek

00:46:34.600 martyrdom, but if the choice is put to you, if you basically put in a rock between a rock and a hard

00:46:40.840 place and you have to choose between one and the other, then choose your integrity every time.

00:46:46.340 And I promise you will be worth it. I saw your hand up posty. Did you want to follow up with that?

00:46:54.100 Well, it's not even really a question. It's more like what I'm hearing from you, Stephen. And I,

00:46:59.340 and I, I guess I want to, I guess I want to reiterate that it's the importance of faith

00:47:04.060 because what I'm hearing, what you're saying, and it's kind of, it's, I'm a little bit starstruck.

00:47:08.160 So you'll have to forgive my slobbering over words. I'm sorry. I'm not usually like this.

00:47:12.880 Um, so your faith obviously got you through that. And, and was it your faith that helped you and

00:47:19.400 your wife and your family come to that decision? Because obviously that was, you know, I'm sure

00:47:23.200 very hard on not just you, but your family as well. And not a lot of women would agree to, you know,

00:47:29.720 have their husband be missing for six months and away, especially for something like this.

00:47:34.380 Um, so would you agree, I guess you would agree then that if your faith has really gotten you

00:47:40.240 through it and the importance of faith, like we should reiterate that importance of faith.

00:47:45.940 Um, well, both of us, both, both my wife and I have always just had a belligerent attitude,

00:47:53.140 um, to wrongdoing and evil. And we've long before, cause we didn't, we didn't decide

00:48:00.660 to become Christians until, uh, beginning of 2021. So we're, we're, we're fairly new as,

00:48:06.220 as Christians with, uh, and I was an atheist for most of my, most of my life. Um, but there was,

00:48:13.260 I think there was something inside each and every one of us that just bulks at evil, that just

00:48:20.640 bulks at lies. Um, and for my wife and I, we've always just really, really said, stuff it

00:48:29.460 whenever someone was doing something we knew to be wrong. And I don't give a fuck about the

00:48:34.420 consequences for calling you out on it. And I've lost gazillions of jobs. So what faith does,

00:48:41.640 it just gives you that extra, um, it just gives you that extra protection when you've got,

00:48:48.880 because I've, I've, I've done things, uh, and face consequences for doing what I believe to be

00:48:55.040 right before I was a Christian. And I've done it since being a Christian. Uh, and it's just a lot

00:49:01.260 easier when you call faith, but the, the rewards long-term are the same, regardless of whether

00:49:07.260 you've got, um, whether you believe in God or don't. Um, you know, when I didn't believe in God

00:49:14.060 and I stood up to, you know, bad employers and stuff, and I got sacked, I still felt good about

00:49:19.080 myself. Um, and so I, I would say that this principle is universal regardless of what you

00:49:25.160 believe. But once you sort of believe in that there is a sort of a higher being behind all of

00:49:33.840 this and that the universe fits together for a reason, um, then it just brings, it just brings

00:49:40.340 that satisfaction to a whole new level. Um, as for my wife, um, I mean, I've had this cathartic

00:49:47.760 experience. My wife has just been traumatized by it. Um, so, you know, I've, I've come out

00:49:54.660 sort of feeling wonderful and I think it's much easier for men because men are, um, just

00:50:00.260 naturally built for confrontation and, and competition. And we love the fight. Uh, my wife can fight

00:50:07.940 and she's tenacious and absolutely vicious in a fight, but it doesn't leave her feeling great

00:50:15.980 afterwards. I mean, it, it takes a toll on my wife and I think it takes a toll on women more

00:50:22.380 generally. So she's still going through that experience, but at the same time, she's, she

00:50:28.760 has never, ever, ever allowed bullies to take advantage of her. And even if it leaves her, uh,

00:50:38.380 a bubbling crying mess on the floor for, for years afterwards, she's just always had that. Yes,

00:50:47.220 this has fucked me over pretty badly, but I will never, ever, ever submit. My wife's just got that

00:50:53.300 in her. Um, cause I'm a fucking bitch. Yeah. There we go. Yeah. He's got that in her, but it takes a toll

00:51:03.660 on women. Don't fuck with me or my family. Yeah. But it takes a much bigger toll on women than it

00:51:09.240 does on men. And men need to, need to realize that it may invigorate us, but it fucks your wife up.

00:51:16.060 So everything you can do to make your wife, um, make that easier on your wife, do so because, um,

00:51:22.940 yeah, she's the real hero in all of this. I mean, she was the one who had to, uh, to deal with the

00:51:27.540 shit on the outside and had to, you know, um, had to sort of keep the house going and pay the bills

00:51:33.140 and all the rest of it. All I had to do was lie in, lie in prison and read books all day. So,

00:51:37.860 you know, it was much easier for me than it was for her. Well, I'm, I'm glad she's here. And I

00:51:43.340 definitely, um, Mrs. Band, if you can hang on a sec, cause I might like to direct a few questions

00:51:49.760 towards you, dear. But we brought up Frank Da Silva, who, um, you know, is a veteran in political

00:51:57.780 dissidence, uh, in America and he's an author and, um, he still continues to coach on the nationalists

00:52:07.460 in, um, all over the world as, and he tries to keep us in line and steer the ship. And so

00:52:14.560 I'm sure Frank has a few things to share. Go ahead, Frank. Yeah. Thanks. Uh, listen, this,

00:52:21.660 this comment is directed to both the husband and the wife. Um, your name, your name is Steve.

00:52:29.780 Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Well, it's a pleasure to meet you. Look guys, um, without going down the

00:52:37.000 rabbit hole, cause this is your space. This is your time. Um, I was in the Google log over 10 years

00:52:42.780 and everything. I mean, literally everything that you said about your wife and your experiences is

00:52:49.880 spot on. So everybody, you know, pay attention when, when a man and a woman in this case, I'll

00:52:56.020 address both of those issues. But when a man goes through suffering and sacrifice, only one of two

00:53:02.760 things happens. He is either completely destroyed. And I mean, when I say destroyed, I mean, there is a,

00:53:09.160 the fascinating observation to see the evolutionary disruption that occurs in the middle of pain and

00:53:18.220 suffering and sacrifice. So that adage, what does not kill you makes you stronger is true if you

00:53:25.100 survive and you are mission oriented. So in my case, my wife went through the same thing that your

00:53:31.740 missus did. And she, uh, had to field on occasion, you know, discussions with the FBI, with other,

00:53:39.980 uh, intelligence, uh, agencies and that kind of thing. And she stood strong. They went out, she was

00:53:45.720 pregnant. She was like six months, five, six months pregnant. And they said they were going to take,

00:53:51.420 uh, our unborn son and give it to a black family, you know, typical kind of psychological

00:53:57.180 attacks and that kind of thing. But she weathered the storm for me. And I was weathering the storm

00:54:05.820 for the larger, the larger events, which is the dichotomy that Steve was talking about, but also

00:54:12.180 a belief in a higher power in God and the love of my family. They could not disrupt or destroy any of us,

00:54:21.720 either of us, no matter what they did for all of those years. And I came home to my family. I had

00:54:28.600 to raise my children over the phone or at least attempt to, and so on and so forth. And they kept

00:54:33.960 us apart for four years. And ultimately, uh, I got to see my, my children, my wife and all that.

00:54:41.320 That's another story though. But look, Steve, um, I'm listening to you. I can, I can tell,

00:54:48.200 you know how the situation kind of humbled you away, but it also gave you a very great education.

00:54:55.720 You can't pay anybody to give you the ins and outs of how your mind works, what makes you strong,

00:55:03.480 what you believe in. If you believe in our people, if you believe in your national state, you know,

00:55:09.080 I don't really know you well enough to make a comment on what motivates you, but we're in this

00:55:14.280 struggle, everybody in this space who is a true believer. And that's an interesting concept in

00:55:20.840 and of itself. True believers can manifestly overcome anything that's given to them. And

00:55:27.480 that's why I always give kudos to the left over the last 60, 70 years. These guys have been thrown in

00:55:33.800 prison. They've been killed. They've been doing this. We are going through our own birthing pains. So,

00:55:40.920 Steve, welcome to the club. I'm sorry to say that Mrs. Band, but, um, the kind of strength that you

00:55:48.040 brought to bear is only going to be asked for more as you go down the road. Hopefully the two of you

00:55:55.000 have become more intelligent. You are able to read the room as they say, um, know the, um, you know,

00:56:02.280 the, uh, not the boundaries, but the, uh, the landmarks as you go, your family will get nothing but

00:56:07.800 stronger. And I'm already very much inclined to be a supporter of the both of you. And if you can

00:56:15.080 always look at the world through each other's eyes and give yourselves, you know, a hug and a kiss,

00:56:22.760 and I don't know if you have children or not, but those children are worth dying for literally,

00:56:29.080 uh, in, in the cause of giving them a better future. So I'll end it here and just say that

00:56:34.680 thank you for coming onto the space, both of you. And I really, really am endeared by your comment,

00:56:41.240 your comments and commentary. And I sincerely wish that this space will show you the type of respect

00:56:48.360 and support that any of us who go through something that they believe in and they pay a price for it,

00:56:55.400 when they come out as strong or stronger, these are the kind of people that I'm going to pay attention

00:57:01.080 to. So thank you very much. And thanks for the mic. Thanks, Frank. Beautifully said. Steven, you might

00:57:09.320 need to unmute. Um, just sometimes there's feedback when you're not speaking, but if you press unmute,

00:57:15.880 you can, uh, follow up on that. Yeah. I just want to say, uh, you know, thank you for the kind words and

00:57:22.760 yeah. Um, and there's always, you know, you tell your own story and you feel, um, like you haven't

00:57:31.880 really done very much. And then you, because you then, because you know, there are people like

00:57:36.440 the gentleman who just spoke, who've gone through a lot, uh, harder struggles, uh, than yourself.

00:57:42.120 And, uh, my, my respect just to that man for, uh, for what he's gone through, because it obviously sounds

00:57:49.320 a hell of a lot worse than, and a lot tougher than what I have to go through. Um, but yeah, it's, uh,

00:57:56.520 I, I completely and utterly agree with him. It's, um, things like this, uh, is what life's about.

00:58:03.480 Um, this is what makes life worth living. Um, and it may not feel so at the time, but, uh, if you ever

00:58:11.240 find yourself in a predicament where, um, you're standing on principle and, um, they're throwing the

00:58:18.520 kitchen sink at you, just know that no matter how bad it gets, it's worth it. It really is worth it

00:58:25.320 to stick with it. Uh, and there were a couple of times, I mean, there was a time when, um,

00:58:31.400 when my wife, uh, told me to, you know, accept the bail conditions and come, come home. Uh, and I was,

00:58:38.200 you know, bawling my eyes out on the phone saying, please don't ask this of me.

00:58:43.160 And, um, you know, because if I, if, if I come home, it's not going to be me who comes home,

00:58:48.760 it'll be just a shell who comes home, you know? So there was a heart wrenching conversation that she

00:58:54.280 taped of me just bawling down the phone saying, please don't ask me to come home because if I do,

00:59:00.760 there'll be nothing of Stephen Wells left. They'll just be, you know, everything that I am,

00:59:05.720 everything that I believe. Um, I won't be able to hold my face in public again,

00:59:11.080 and I won't be able to do anything again. It'll just won't be, it won't be your husband that you

00:59:15.080 get back. It'll be something else. And, uh, and she relented and, and, uh, and dug deep and, uh,

00:59:23.400 allowed me to, uh, and gave me her support for me to stay in jail. So, um, and then the next day,

00:59:31.720 you know, the very next day she asked people just to give some words of support after she,

00:59:37.000 after, after she decided to, to not ask for me to come home anymore. And we were just overwhelmed

00:59:43.800 with messages of support and, um, saying stick with it and stay strong and everything else,

00:59:51.320 just validating that the decision that we've made to, to stick with it when it got really dark. So,

00:59:57.320 you know, if it ever gets dark for you, if ever, any of you are in the, in a situation

01:00:03.640 like mine or, you know, that has an analogy with mine and it gets really dark, that's when

01:00:13.160 faith matters and it's, uh, it doesn't need to be in faith in God. Just faith just means doing things

01:00:19.800 when it looks like there's no hope when all hope is gone and you think that everything is lost and

01:00:26.360 you just hang on and do it anyway, because you're just a stubborn bastard. Um, it's after those moments

01:00:34.840 when you get the real rewards and that happened very much for us after we had our darkest moment

01:00:40.520 when I was in prison. And, um, and the next day we were just overwhelmed with,

01:00:44.920 you know, people sending us messages of support from, you know, from USA, Canada, Spain,

01:00:51.400 you know, all over the world. We were just inundated with, uh, messages of support saying,

01:00:56.520 you know, keep doing what you're doing. And, um, and that gave us strength. And so all the people who,

01:01:02.840 um, who did send messages of support, you know, it really did make a difference. It was,

01:01:09.480 uh, we got really low at some points and, um, and your support, it made a difference. So thank you

01:01:18.760 to all of those people who, uh, who, who sent in messages of support. Um, and yeah, again, I'll just

01:01:26.520 keep repeating myself. It's worth it. It's worth it. Whenever you're afraid of what they might do to

01:01:33.960 you, do it anyway, it's worth it. I promise you. That is, I'm, I'm trying to, this sounds really,

01:01:44.280 you know, silly, but I'm trying not to cry. Cause that's very powerful, at least to me,

01:01:47.320 because I kind of feel like a lot of us have, uh, been in that position, right. Where we're kind of

01:01:52.840 stuck between, you know, what we really want to do and what, you know, society expects us to do or

01:01:58.280 what we have to do for our job or stuff like that. I mean, COVID was the biggest thing, right? So,

01:02:03.320 um, Steve, did you have your hand up and cause I know extra has his hand up as well. So I don't

01:02:07.320 know if this is an old hand or. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. I did want to chime in here. So Stephen,

01:02:14.520 you and I both have a namesake in the Bible, which is the first martyr of Christianity.

01:02:20.280 I think that's quite, quite appropriate for you. Um, Acts chapter seven read, uh, he basically

01:02:28.680 spoke out about the evil, that the evil doers were doing and was, uh, summarily stoned to death

01:02:35.560 outside of the walls of the city. And, um, I think you are an absolute legend in my books

01:02:44.760 for having the courage in your convictions to, you know, not accept the conditions,

01:02:51.800 not take the easy path out. And you're a leader and an example to all of us for doing so.

01:02:59.400 You remarked at the beginning of the space that your wife had expressed concern that you might get

01:03:05.000 arrested before you left for South Australia, which I mean, going from Perth to South Australia

01:03:11.240 is, uh, it's like the other side of the continent, right? So for Americans, I'd be like going from

01:03:18.200 say Seattle to Columbus, Ohio, or going from Calgary, Alberta to Toronto. Um,

01:03:26.280 did you know at the time when you left to partake in this activism, that if you were arrested,

01:03:33.320 that you wouldn't accept the conditions? And, um, and if not, at what point did, did you really get

01:03:40.520 stuck in and decide, you know what, I'm not taking the easy way out? I'm going to fight this.

01:03:45.880 Um, you know, uh, maintain my innocence, not plead guilty and basically stick it to the man.

01:03:55.560 Um, I, I didn't know, like, even though, you know, it was just like a sort of a feeling that

01:04:03.240 a feeling of sort of, uh, something that I was going to get arrested. That was, that was about as

01:04:08.760 far as it went in terms of the premonition, that something would happen. Um, my wife from the

01:04:14.840 premonition of getting arrested, uh, had mounting fears that I would never be released if I was

01:04:24.840 arrested. She thought I would die in prison if I was arrested. And that was not so much the

01:04:29.560 premonition that was just her knowledge of my temperament before I went in, which is

01:04:38.200 just somebody who's likely to fly off the handle and get some and have them use an excuse to do

01:04:44.680 horrible things too. Um, so that was her fear of me going in and that's why she was so, um,

01:04:51.720 um, anxious to get me out was because she feared not so much what they would do to me if I was just

01:05:01.640 a prisoner. She feared what I might be able to give them an excuse to do. Um, because, you know,

01:05:10.040 I've had a lot of issues with rage over my life when I'm being bullied. Um, and so she feared that I

01:05:19.080 would do something which would give them an excuse to kill me. So, uh, or give them an excuse to keep

01:05:24.760 me in jail forever and ever and ever. So, um, that was her thing, but I mean, yeah, going over there,

01:05:34.120 I I've been preaching to everybody since the COVID era that you couldn't let them use coercion to

01:05:43.000 stop you. I mean, what they did in the COVID era was pretty much what they did to me in the bail

01:05:47.800 conditions, which was, they want you to do something really small and simple, put on a mask,

01:05:54.920 you know, put on a mask, but then on the flip side of not putting on the mask, they, they just put

01:06:01.560 these consequences, which are just so over the top. You can't see your dying relative

01:06:08.040 on the last days of their life, unless you put a mask on. Um, and that's to me is like, that's just

01:06:13.880 the ultimate evil, you know, because what they want, they don't just want you to comply.

01:06:19.720 They don't just want to force you to do the things they want you to do. They want you to consent

01:06:25.880 and they want you to consent to their evil. They want you to become evil themselves. They, they,

01:06:33.320 they want you to, to give up your soul and to give up your integrity so you can become like them.

01:06:41.080 And, and, and that to me is just the ultimate evil that they, they will prepare to do such

01:06:48.920 ruthless consequences. And then they hold out this just tiny little bit of, of temptation.

01:06:56.120 Just, just do this little thing. Just put that mask on. Just, just let go of your integrity for

01:07:05.240 this little thing. Why would you risk this horrible consequence to stop just doing this little tiny

01:07:12.840 thing? Which is so easy. Just put the mask on. Just sign the bail conditions. It's not that hard. It's

01:07:20.040 so easy. Why wouldn't you do that? Don't you want to see your wife again? Don't you want to see your

01:07:25.400 dying relative again? And why would you put your family through all of this? Hell. Just sign the

01:07:34.120 bail conditions, Steve. And this is what they were doing to me before I had that breakdown with my

01:07:37.880 wife. And it's, it's, it's evil. And once you understand that that is just pure malicious evil to get

01:07:49.240 somebody to just start down the road of giving up their integrity and putting all of this absolute

01:07:57.960 horror for refusing to give up your integrity on a, just, just, just a little thing. And then you do the

01:08:05.560 little thing. And people did the little thing with the mask. You know, they did that little thing. They wore the

01:08:10.680 mask. And then the next time when it came to work to doing the vaccine, the, their resolve had already

01:08:18.200 been chipped away at their integrity had already been diminished because they wore the vaccine. They

01:08:23.160 wore the mask. And that's what it's about. And that's why you've got to fight them on the little

01:08:29.800 things. And the more you fight them on the little things and the worst, the consequences there are for

01:08:35.160 not doing the little things. The more, more important it is to hold firm and expose these

01:08:42.040 bastards for the evil that they are, you know, to really, really go, no, don't put this on me.

01:08:50.200 Don't put this on me that my grandmother died alone because I didn't wear a mask. Don't put that on me.

01:08:59.160 That's on you fuckers. You did that. You're the one who put me in this position.

01:09:05.400 You're the one who denied me seeing my dying relative. You're the ones. And I'm going to expose

01:09:12.920 it by saying no to you. And yeah, it's going to cost me and it's going to break me and it's going to

01:09:17.560 tear me apart. And I'm going to hurt for the rest of my life. But don't ever, ever think that I'm going

01:09:24.260 to feel guilty for what you did to me. That's what it's about. And that's what you've got to hold on to

01:09:30.700 when these fuckers do these things to you. That's why it's important to stand up, because if you don't

01:09:36.120 stand up, you know, from the schoolyard, you know, from the schoolyard that the bully asked for

01:09:41.800 something small first. And then they ask for something more. It doesn't stop. So if you don't

01:09:48.780 stop it at the mask stage, if you don't stop it at the bail conditions phase, if you bow to them when

01:09:55.580 it's easy to bow to them, then the next thing you know, you'll be down the line and they'll be

01:10:02.360 wanting to put poison in your veins this time. You know, it's the playbook of the evil. So

01:10:09.400 I knew that before I went in there and I didn't know what they were going to do to me. But

01:10:13.760 I've been preaching about this for five years. And so when I was put in that situation,

01:10:19.980 it was just like a no brainer from me because I'd already been like talking about it. And I'd

01:10:25.180 only be a hypocrite if I didn't follow through with it. You know, if I wasn't going to, you know,

01:10:32.240 walk the walk as well as just talk the talk. So, you know, I had it slightly easier in the fact

01:10:37.440 that I've been shooting my mouth off about it for five years previously. And so to then be put in

01:10:43.400 that situation and not go through with it, well, it'd be very, very hard to live it down.

01:10:48.560 And that moment when I was on the phone with my wife and she was begging me to come home,

01:10:53.660 again, you know, I had it easier in the fact that I'd already shot my mouth off. So I had that,

01:11:01.620 that, that force, that counterbalancing force against the pull and the, and the agony and the

01:11:07.960 pain of, of not wanting to, um, to upset my wife, um, which other people had during the COVID with,

01:11:16.380 with their, their grandmother or whatever. Um, but I was lucky in the fact that I had been shooting

01:11:21.420 my mouth off for five years. So it was, it was much, much more of, um, a hypocritical situation

01:11:29.000 for me to, to fold than other people who folded. So if you did fold during COVID,

01:11:34.340 don't feel bad. You didn't put all this expectation on you that I put on myself before I went into

01:11:42.000 prison. So it would have been very, very difficult for me to, uh, to take the bail conditions after,

01:11:49.040 you know, blabbing my mouth off for five years before. Um, but at the same time,

01:11:55.440 now that I've actually done it, I can say now with much more confidence to people,

01:11:59.680 this is the way forward. This is what you have to do. This is the attitude that you need to have.

01:12:05.120 If you want to defeat these people, um, it's sacrifice. It's always been self-sacrifice.

01:12:10.540 It's not terrorism. It's not violence. It's not uprising. That's what the left do because the left

01:12:15.380 just want to destroy and they don't care about the consequences of their violence. We do.

01:12:20.660 We, we, we don't want to destroy our society, want to preserve it and rebuild it and restore it

01:12:26.040 again. And you can't do that with violence. You can only do it with self-sacrifice. So yeah, it was,

01:12:32.220 it was an easy decision for me just due to the five years previously. Um, but now that I've done

01:12:38.880 it and I've gone through it and I've had that moment of, uh, you know, a moment of truth where,

01:12:44.880 you know, I'm literally crying on the phones of my wife saying, begging her not to ask me to come

01:12:50.680 home and, and she supported me and we've gone through it and forward together. Having had that

01:12:56.820 moment and come to the other side of it, I can now not just preach it. I can now retell it as an

01:13:03.780 experience and encourage people that yes, it's worth it. It means something and you won't regret doing

01:13:12.740 it. And I can say that from experience now, rather than just preaching, uh, to people about it. So,

01:13:18.020 um, yeah, I've gone on for a while. I'll shut up for a while.

01:13:20.980 Yeah, absolutely. Amazing. Um, just before you go too extra, I did want to, um, remark that there's a

01:13:30.160 beautiful song by the recently deceased Greg Arcade about the Couture who we addressed earlier

01:13:37.740 called Letters of Hope. And when you mentioned the messages of support being very influential and

01:13:44.760 reassuring and you being able to, um, keep your strength through this experience, um, I encourage

01:13:52.220 you to check out that song. It will probably put a knot in your throat, uh, as you've just said for me,

01:13:59.000 but that's a very beautiful song. And it encouraged a lot of people in Canada to send Letters of Hope

01:14:05.600 to those men while they were in remand over their, uh, trumped up charges for attending the Trucker Convoy.

01:14:12.600 You know, Stephen, so much of what you've said is like, I think it resonates deeply with all of us

01:14:19.700 because many of us were, um, also on the anti-COVID train. And, um, for those of us in Canada,

01:14:28.240 we were in a really, really dark place, um, until we had a moment of emancipation when we had the

01:14:35.820 trucker convoy. And, uh, suddenly we were all ripping off our masks and we were all hugging each

01:14:42.920 other. And we were saying, you know, like it was a big giant fuck you to this mass psychosis that we

01:14:49.820 were under. Um, but you know, we were afraid they were going to send us to quarantine camp. So we,

01:14:55.860 like my imagination was playing very serious tricks on me. And, and I too had that moment

01:15:03.800 where I was a nurse, you know, and I was just doing my job and I was working my ass off and

01:15:08.860 these really, really long shifts. And, and it started with the masks and it started with the

01:15:14.400 hand sanitizer. And, you know, it's like, if you want to keep your job. And so, you know, I, I would do

01:15:20.480 it, but I was always, I was always in trouble cause I was always cheating cause grandma can't

01:15:25.560 understand me when I have a mask on my face. So I was always pulling it down so I could communicate

01:15:31.420 with her better. And I was somehow always getting caught. And then they were just getting closer and

01:15:36.480 closer and closer to me with that needle. And I had this like giant, like, fuck you. I quit. I'm not

01:15:43.640 doing this. And, um, it was pretty dark though, until we felt emancipated by all these big,

01:15:51.420 beautiful men who showed up in Ottawa with trucks and started honking, um, our honking our way to

01:15:59.860 freedom. And so it's very deeply, deeply relatable. What was the honka cause honka cost? It was a

01:16:08.460 honka cost. Yeah, exactly. We had a big, giant honka cost. Um, and you know, that's where I met

01:16:14.940 a lot of these beautiful people who are in this room today, but I would like to, um, direct this

01:16:20.660 now to our dear friend, extra extrapolations. And I'm sure he has, uh, something to share and

01:16:27.580 something to ask. Please go ahead extra. All right. Well, thanks very much. That's very kind of

01:16:34.360 based. Um, first of all, look, I better say to Stephen there, I was listening, uh, since

01:16:41.020 the beginning and, um, I was feeling quite tired and I just thought, yeah, I'll just, you

01:16:45.200 know, continue to listen, but I felt that I was obliged to come up and congratulate you

01:16:51.740 on showing such a solid character, um, and describing not just what you went through, uh, so stoically,

01:17:02.500 but, um, I think just while I was waiting to talk to you, I think that the, the real pinnacle

01:17:08.260 there was when you said to your wife, please don't ask me to do this thing, to quit on yourself

01:17:15.360 essentially, or to compromise on your principles. Um, you know, I, it nearly, look, I'm not,

01:17:21.720 I don't want to be modern here, but it did genuinely, uh, nearly bring me to tears there.

01:17:25.500 I could imagine that if I was watching it in a movie that I'd be saying, ah, the screenwriter

01:17:30.360 is deliberately trying to put in these things to elicit the maximum amount of, uh, sort

01:17:36.620 of emotional, uh, vibration in me that I can't help but try to choke down a tear, you

01:17:42.140 know? Uh, and yes, I totally believe that you are not embellishing anything there, that

01:17:46.440 it's exactly real life is how it happened. Now I'm not trying to flatter you either, and

01:17:50.720 I think you probably understand that as well. It's just, I recognize exactly, uh, the kind

01:17:55.300 of character, uh, that you are and, um, how you're just describing exactly what happened.

01:18:00.640 And I wish that I lived in a world full of men who could in solidarity stand together

01:18:06.560 and then it would be all over. Um, I suppose I'll continue on this line of track and I'll

01:18:11.880 dial it back then in a moment. Um, you described as well how in Australia and look, maybe I'll

01:18:18.560 try and go easy on the Canadians. Yes, it was lovely for a while there, but just like in

01:18:22.880 Australia, all good things came to an end rather abruptly when everybody had to go

01:18:28.020 back to work or when the police, uh, suddenly got in people's faces, maybe in Canada and

01:18:32.380 everyone, well, it's a bit cold and we kind of have to go home and, you know, obviously

01:18:34.980 we can't fight the police, so we'd better go home. Uh, or, you know, whoever represented

01:18:39.240 them politically, uh, decided to sort of, you know, wishy-washy it away or get corrupted

01:18:43.440 in some kind of financial scandal. And, uh, then in Australia, they started bringing

01:18:47.600 out, you know, new exotic weapons like microwave and, you know, frequency weapons and this

01:18:52.680 sort of stuff. Uh, and people said, well, let's get a bit serious. And I know I have

01:18:56.700 the kids to go home to and if I, you know, my job and all this sort of stuff, I have to

01:18:59.640 get back to, you know, long way to get home and I have to start getting on the road.

01:19:03.020 If I want to get home, it's been nice as though it was just a weekend away at the touring

01:19:07.040 cars or at a sports ball engagement or whatever, you know, uh, because most people never really

01:19:12.500 intended to see anything through to the bitter end from the word go. They never really thought

01:19:17.760 about why they were doing anything. Really. They wanted camaraderie, uh, temporary feeling

01:19:23.660 that they weren't alone, but what they weren't prepared, prepared for was to go to the very

01:19:28.020 end of things alone on their own, totally if necessary. Now I have never been in a position

01:19:34.760 exactly like you, but I have experienced this where I've been tested several times, uh, where

01:19:40.220 I've thought that I was with a lot of people who all felt a certain way and were going up

01:19:44.520 against a larger, vastly more powerful, financially never other way, uh, entity and, uh, everybody

01:19:52.300 else buckled. Uh, and I refused to, and I was prepared to pay the punishment for that or pay

01:19:58.520 the toll for it. I'll dial it back a little bit now and just say that, um, it's not about

01:20:03.420 me. I'm just trying to say that I understand what you're, what you're saying. And I hope

01:20:06.200 if I'm tested as you have been, that I will not let myself down. Um, we tend not to talk

01:20:13.260 about theological stuff here on, on 1498 or WER, but, uh, this is not a theological thing.

01:20:19.680 It's simply referring to a well-known story. Uh, a lot of Christians, uh, you know, are

01:20:24.900 taught, yes, they must suffer and this kind of thing. Uh, but really, uh, they might look

01:20:30.040 at a story like Peter and say, well, it's okay to deny Christ. Or they might look at Judas

01:20:35.480 and say, well, you know, it's okay to betray him. It's all right. You got to look after yourself.

01:20:39.600 They'll look at those kinds of stories that give them an excuse to be a coward.

01:20:42.240 Because they were always carrots from the beginning. And that's what they look, that's

01:20:46.120 what they'll find in any story. They look for any excuse to really give themselves an excuse

01:20:51.000 to do what they were going to do anyway. Now I won't wax on too much longer. Uh, but what

01:20:56.780 you described also reminded me of the story of Jesus, who pretty much knew what was going

01:21:00.620 to happen ultimately in the end anyway, even if he couldn't see exactly the future. And

01:21:06.060 anybody would be sort of maybe a little bit, uh, you know, full of a certain amount of trepidation

01:21:13.700 about could I see it through? Can I see it through? It's going to be tough. Can I suffer

01:21:18.060 this? Am I capable of doing it? And the devil of course says to him, well, you know, if you'll

01:21:23.420 just submit to me, just bow down to me and I'll make it all go away and make your life easier.

01:21:27.460 But it's not just as simple as, well, I don't have to do anything other than just say, okay,

01:21:32.220 fine, I'll do whatever you say. And that's why I began to see that even if I wasn't a

01:21:37.120 Christian necessarily, or certainly not the same as these other fair weather Christians,

01:21:41.580 that there's a very obvious lesson in that. And what do you value in life?

01:21:45.980 And I think that for me, even if I was to call myself a Christian or not, it doesn't matter.

01:21:50.360 I think there's certain men that they're born that they say, it's not about acquiring things

01:21:54.100 in life. It's about holding onto something that you came into this world and you really

01:21:57.680 want to leave this world without having given it away. And that's what it strikes me that

01:22:02.480 you want to hold onto too. And you have very successfully proven that you're willing to

01:22:07.380 do what it takes to hang onto it. So I congratulate you and your wife. And I just basically felt

01:22:11.960 that I was duty bound to tell you that you really have impressed me with your character

01:22:19.160 and I followed you obviously there and I hope to hear more from you. You're a great man.

01:22:24.100 And you inspire me to want to be a great man as well when my time comes. So thank you.

01:22:29.540 Really. It's not a question just to say thank you.

01:22:32.780 Thank you very much. I feel overwhelmed with with sentiment when people say things like that

01:22:40.280 to me. And I'm sure that other people who've gone through tribulations and had people say

01:22:49.000 nice things about them that they feel the same, that they feel, well, I didn't really do that

01:22:52.480 much. But that's the thing. You know, you, you, you do something that it just feels normal

01:23:01.960 and right to do. And you then find lots of people saying all of these nice things about

01:23:08.860 you and you're like, well, I, I didn't really do that much. Um, but I do still appreciate

01:23:14.460 it. Um, because it does, you know, it is overwhelming to get that kind of, um, um, that kind of recognition

01:23:24.860 from people when, when you, all I see when I'm, when I look at what I've done, you know,

01:23:30.680 I look at people like, you know, my, my saints namesake. I look at all of the people who mark,

01:23:34.920 who were martyred. I look at all the people in the Soviet union who were tortured to death.

01:23:39.660 And, um, you know, you read some of the works of Stalin and on things like that. And you

01:23:44.400 go, wow, could I, would I be strong enough to go through something like that? And I, I

01:23:50.020 don't think I could, I could handle torture. I don't think I could, you don't know. Um,

01:23:54.520 all, all, you know, is that you go into things, um, and you just go in with the attitude

01:24:02.740 that I'll, I'll hold on for as long as I can. Um, I mean, I, I had, uh, uh, like I, I decided

01:24:12.560 not to wear the prison clothes when I came in just cause I was being belligerent and I

01:24:15.680 was pissed off with every, with the way I've been treated. And, um, and, and I didn't know

01:24:22.340 what they were going to do to me. I've never been in prison before. And, you know, all I

01:24:25.060 knew was the Shawshank redemption. And I was wondering if they're going to, and I think

01:24:28.460 they mentioned, uh, tasering me at one point, um, when I was, wasn't wearing the clothes,

01:24:34.220 uh, and I'm like, oh, you know, am I going to be able to handle the tasering? Oh God, how

01:24:38.500 long can I hold out against that? You know? Um, and in the end they didn't. Um, and so,

01:24:46.380 you know, you go into these things, don't expect that you're going to be strong enough. Uh, cause

01:24:54.720 I didn't think I would be even for my small tribulation. Um, but, um, I just

01:25:02.880 like, well, I don't think I'm going to be able to handle this or that all the way

01:25:08.520 through. Um, but I can hold on for another five minutes at least. I can hold on for

01:25:14.660 another day at least. And then just, you know, what's that, what's that song go?

01:25:19.540 One day at a time, sweet Jesus. Sickly, sickly Christian song. Um, but yeah, you

01:25:26.540 just, you just go in there wanting to hold on for as long as you can. And yeah,

01:25:33.620 whether, whether, whether you're strong enough in the end isn't really the issue.

01:25:37.000 What's what matters is, is your attitude going in is your determination to try and

01:25:43.020 hold on for as long as you can. And if you fail, you fail. There's always next time.

01:25:47.280 Um, but don't let failure spur you on to be tougher the following time. And, um, and

01:25:56.340 every time you think like you're going to fold, just try, hold on just a little longer

01:26:02.400 another day, another week, you know, another, another few minutes. Um, and yeah. Um, because

01:26:10.820 there was a couple of times in prison with a few of the things that I was fighting against

01:26:14.020 just my own personal battles where I didn't think I would be able to outlast them. And,

01:26:21.380 um, and I thought, well, right. Well, I don't know whether, whether I can outlast them or not.

01:26:27.240 Uh, the food was one thing. Like I didn't eat for the first seven days when I was in prison,

01:26:31.180 um, because they wouldn't give me what I wanted to eat. Uh, they were like determined to give me the

01:26:36.580 prison slop and I was determined to eat the carnivore diet. And, um, they basically said to

01:26:43.820 me, well, we're going to give you prison food. And if you don't eat it, we'll, we'll basically

01:26:48.280 we'll, uh, we'll write you down as a hunger striker. And we have ways of dealing with that.

01:26:54.020 In other words, they were eventually going to force feed me. And, uh, that was a pretty dark day.

01:26:59.360 And I'd, I'd been seven days without food. And I was like, how long could I hold out for? And

01:27:03.560 is it worth it? And am I really doing what's right? And I was, well, I don't know, but I can

01:27:10.020 hold, I can go without food a little longer. So I'll go without food a little longer and

01:27:14.140 I'll see what tomorrow, tomorrow brings. I'll just go another day without food and

01:27:17.940 I'll, I'll, I'll, I probably can't outlast them. They're probably going to break me here,

01:27:22.660 but I'll just hold on a little longer because I don't like them. And what they're doing is wrong

01:27:29.480 and fuck them. I'll just going to hold on for another day, even though they're probably

01:27:35.460 going to win. I don't care. I'll hold on for another day. And then by the end of that

01:27:40.300 day, they'd brought me some eggs, some boiled eggs and I'd won. And that, that felt, I can't

01:27:46.640 tell you how great I felt at the end of that. That was one of the worst days and the best

01:27:50.960 days in prison was like when they told me that they were going to force feed me if I didn't

01:27:56.440 eat their prison slop. And I held out for another day without food. And at the end of

01:28:01.040 the day, they brought me some eggs and the, from the depths of depression to the heights

01:28:06.160 of euphoria, just for deciding to hold out just a little longer, just a little longer

01:28:11.300 because I didn't think I could hold out. You know, I didn't think I could go 30 days

01:28:15.140 without food. I didn't know what I could do. I was just like, I'll just hold out another

01:28:18.560 day. And, and, and that's all you, all you can do guys. You, you know, we always imagine

01:28:27.020 ourselves as these, uh, you know, you, you, you fantasize about being in these movies where

01:28:32.560 they torture the prisoner and you're going to be the strong one and stuff. And you get

01:28:36.680 there and you think, fuck, I don't think I can handle this. I really, I think they're

01:28:40.460 going to break me here. Um, and all you do is you just go, right, well, they probably

01:28:46.040 will break me, but, uh, not just yet. Let me, let me just, let me just hold on to my

01:28:51.280 integrity for a few minutes longer. Another day, let me just hold on a little longer.

01:28:57.140 Um, and, and that's when miracles happen. So, um, but yeah, but thank, thank you for

01:29:03.260 those kind words. Um, I don't particularly feel courageous or, uh, or too much of a hero.

01:29:08.780 There's, there's too many people in the past who've done much more valiant things than

01:29:12.980 me, but I'm assuming that they didn't feel particularly courageous when it,

01:29:16.040 when they were going through and through things either. So, you know, don't worry

01:29:19.180 about your fear. Just what's that stupid, the title of that stupid hell self help book

01:29:23.880 feel the fear and do it anyway.

01:29:26.380 That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, listen, fairy, are you, can you say something? Cause I

01:29:33.000 know that you've, uh, had stuff going on in the background for you, but perhaps you

01:29:37.180 could, um, share, ask, you know, philosophize with us.

01:29:46.040 I mean, I don't, when you have a guest like this, it's best to just shut the fuck up and

01:29:53.340 listen. So, I mean, he's an excellent guest and I don't really have like, I mean, this

01:30:00.700 is his story to tell and he's done a very good job of it. So thank you for sharing it.

01:30:05.440 The one thing that did come to mind as I was listening to this is what, what a group of

01:30:14.880 guys, those Aussies have assembled. It's like every time they dock someone, every time they

01:30:20.980 roll out, they attack another one of these guys, it's just cream of the crop, cream of

01:30:26.540 the crop, cream of the crop, like just over and over, whether it's Tim Lutz or Joel Davis

01:30:31.660 or Hirsant or Jack Elfus, or it just goes on and on. And so like, you know, they, they

01:30:38.000 didn't pick this guy. Um, you know, I don't think they realized that, you know, they're

01:30:43.300 going to, what they're going to do is through this process of attacking these guys, they're

01:30:48.600 just going to expose another excellent, you know, public facing addition to the NSN.

01:30:55.660 And, and like, you know, Steven is clearly as well-spoken as any of the other guys up

01:31:00.780 there. And man, I, I hope we see more of you in a public facing capacity. I mean, now

01:31:06.360 that it's out there, now that your story's out there, I, you know, I, I just, I don't

01:31:12.680 know. I get, that's all I have to say really is just like, I, I'm always surprised at the

01:31:17.200 quality that comes out of Australia. And I mean, I shouldn't be at this point, but it

01:31:21.340 just keeps coming. I'll say that, um, you know, people like, uh, like Tom and Blair

01:31:33.560 and Jacob and Joel, um, they, they lead by example and therefore they attract people

01:31:44.420 who want to be like them. Um, and so the reason that their organization has, is so full

01:31:50.140 of great men is because every single one of us who's joined have seen something in

01:31:57.040 Tom and Jacob and, and we aspire to be like them, you know, that they, that they

01:32:05.160 basically bring out the best in us because we're following leaders who we aspire to be

01:32:11.940 like. And so, um, you know, all of our, our dreams of, of heroism that you have as a

01:32:18.840 kid, you're, you're all just waiting for a leader to follow. You're all just waiting

01:32:23.280 for someone who can inspire you, who you can, who you can get behind you, you can be

01:32:27.960 loyal to. And, uh, you know, and those guys, they attract men who want to be like

01:32:35.620 them and, and that, and therefore the men who come into their organization

01:32:39.640 eventually become, uh, like those leaders because that's, that's why we joined. We

01:32:45.580 joined because we want to be like them. And, um, and when our moment comes for trial and

01:32:52.020 testing, um, we don't want to let them down. We, we want to, you know, we, you know, we

01:32:59.300 want them to be proud of us. And so, you know, that's, that's why that that's, that's why

01:33:05.700 it looks like Aussies have got, um, you know, uh, a very big depth of, of men of

01:33:13.380 character. And it, and it comes from the leadership at the top, um, because all of

01:33:18.100 us, you know, were just normal people before we, uh, before we, we got involved. Um, there

01:33:25.400 was nothing particularly special about us in the beginning. Um, but you know, from one

01:33:32.540 thing was led to another, um, small steps that I'm sure, you know, both Tom and Blair

01:33:37.540 took back in the beginning when they were first getting started, they've gone on a

01:33:41.800 journey and people have watched it. And as they've grown, we've just been inspired and

01:33:47.700 motivated to, to be like them. Um, and, and that's probably the, the other thing I'll

01:33:53.680 say in terms of a macro impact about doing little acts of self-sacrifice and, and holding

01:34:01.340 on to your integrity in small times, because you don't know where it's going

01:34:06.720 to lead. You, you, when I was sitting in prison, I didn't think it was going to have

01:34:11.440 an impact. I was just doing it because it felt like the right thing to do. I was

01:34:16.240 doing it for me more than anything else. I didn't, I didn't envisage that it would

01:34:21.440 have an, a wider impact upon the world and upon other people. Um, I mean, obviously you

01:34:26.800 sort of fantasize about, you know, doing something heroic and everybody, you know, falling

01:34:30.900 down at your feet and all the rest of it when you dream as a kid and stuff. But when

01:34:34.440 you're in it, you, you, you, what you're really thinking is this is probably a waste

01:34:37.620 of time. This is not going to do anything for anybody. Um, but it'll do something for

01:34:43.120 me. So I'm going to do it anyway. And I'm sure that's how, you know, Tom started was

01:34:48.200 as well. Didn't, didn't know whether it was going to succeed. Um, wanted it to succeed, but

01:34:53.940 at the end of the day, he's just doing it because it's the right thing to do. Um, but what

01:34:58.900 it does do, um, is when, is it inspires other people to do the same and this is how you change

01:35:04.840 the world. So, so Tom and Blair, they've inspired the rest of us to want to be like them. And

01:35:13.920 then we then get an opportunity for self-sacrifice and then other people see us and they want to

01:35:21.780 be like us. And, and so it grows because each story that you tell, there is the aspiration

01:35:32.140 to be like the people who've gone before you and done things that you would, that you admire.

01:35:38.760 But then there's also the fact that each one of them tells you, Hey, I started off. I'm just a

01:35:44.580 normal guy. I'm just like you. I'm no different. I've all the same fears. I've got all the same

01:35:49.940 doubts. I've got all the same negative emotions. I've got all the same, uh, horrors and, and,

01:35:57.440 you know, weaknesses that you've got. Um, but it's worth it. And, and, and so it grows and

01:36:04.540 so it will grow. And this is why we'll win. This is why we'll win in the end because this

01:36:08.640 is how all movements for good win in the end. You know, this is how strong men come to

01:36:15.280 be because we have a, you know, we have good times and we have weak men. And then from

01:36:22.060 the weak men, somebody just stands up and they become something to aspire to something

01:36:28.760 that every man longs and yearns to be. And it's because of people like Tom that I've been

01:36:35.140 able to do my little bit. And because of my little bit, hopefully somebody will do their

01:36:40.680 little bit and it will grow. Um, so that's why, so that's why it's coming out of Australia at the

01:36:45.620 moment. It started at the top. It started at the beginning and everybody else is just

01:36:50.260 wanting to make Tom proud.

01:36:57.220 That's, I mean, that's very, yeah, that's great advice.

01:37:01.260 Everybody has their jaw on the floor. Like we're all just trying to keep ourselves together here.

01:37:06.980 Well, you know what, honestly, I think it does go for like, it is a leadership thing,

01:37:11.140 like good leadership, regardless if it's a leadership of an active club or a manager of

01:37:14.900 a company or whatever, you do always have to lead by example, I think. And that just goes

01:37:19.220 without saying, but a lot of people don't. Right. And that's where we run into the problem,

01:37:22.500 I think. So, uh, who do we have? Did, did Mrs. Band want to say something? Cause she had

01:37:28.060 her hand up earlier.

01:37:29.800 Yeah. Yeah. I totally want to ask Mrs. Band some questions, but Steve, I'll let you jump in and

01:37:34.920 then, uh, let's, let's get a little lady out of the wifey here. Steve, go ahead.

01:37:41.000 Sure. I'm just, I wanted to ask, uh, Mr. Walls here, how great did it feel to be marching

01:37:47.780 with the other guys, uh, saying Waltz and Matilda on Australia day after, you know, this

01:37:54.020 whole fear campaign was being propagated? Like how'd that feel in the moment when you guys

01:37:59.780 were just marching, saying Waltz and Matilda with all those ensigns?

01:38:04.740 No, it was pretty fun. It was, it was, it was, that was, that was the fun part of the

01:38:09.080 day. You know, uh, we was walking around, um, all of the young guys were a lot fitter

01:38:14.240 than me. And I was, uh, I was gasping for breath. We were walking so fast that I was singing

01:38:20.640 so loud, so hard, and I'd forgot my water bottle. Uh, but yeah, it was, it was, it was

01:38:25.060 awesome. Um, it was, yeah. Uh, yeah, that, that, that's, that's like the fun of the, of

01:38:31.260 the movement is, is going and doing things like that. Yeah. So, um, that's just pure

01:38:35.420 joy.

01:38:39.000 Beautiful. I bet. And my mom used to sing Waltzing Matilda to me when I was a kid, she

01:38:45.260 was a school teacher and it was, it was definitely one of her favorites. So when I

01:38:50.820 heard that, I'm like, I know that song it's deep in my bones. So it was, it was a

01:38:55.860 really wonderful thing to see. I love that you guys in the NSN sing, um, you, uh, you

01:39:01.800 sing one of those songs, um, by God, we'll have our home again, right? Steve, one of

01:39:06.880 Steve Hansen's favorite pieces. And, uh, it's often clipped in a lot of our videos.

01:39:12.060 And I love that that's part of the character of your organization is that you

01:39:16.980 sing our old folk songs. We have a brilliant guy, uh, I'm not going to name

01:39:23.480 him because he's not actually in the NSN or the EAM. He's just, uh, in the

01:39:29.740 background networking with anybody who's got anything from some conservative

01:39:34.120 leanings all the way to Nazi leanings, um, who came back from, I won't, I won't

01:39:41.860 even, I'm not going to say any more about him, um, about, about his, his

01:39:45.080 background, but he, um, he just goes around with the guitar and he's been

01:39:50.860 like pushing this, like, for like three, four years, having these song

01:39:55.520 nights, uh, you know, and we just, wherever he goes, he has a song night

01:39:59.780 and he, he, he will, he will not take no for an answer. You are going to

01:40:02.980 sing these damn songs. And he's got a song book. Uh, and he turned up on the

01:40:06.780 event the night before, and we were all singing in the, um, in the Airbnb, but

01:40:12.340 he just goes around and, and, uh, he's an unsung hero of the movement in

01:40:16.820 Australia who, uh, he just goes around and, uh, and is determined to, uh, bring

01:40:22.720 back, uh, the culture through song. And, um, yeah, he's just an amazing bloke

01:40:29.440 and it's not just in the NSN. Uh, it's in the proud boys. It's in all of the, all

01:40:34.500 of the, um, anything, even remotely patriotic or nationalistic, he goes around and

01:40:39.700 gets everybody to sing these songs. So, uh, uh, my hat's off to him and I

01:40:43.420 won't, uh, say any more about him because, um, you know, he's still, uh, you

01:40:49.020 know, uh, incognito as it were, but, uh, yeah, shout out to that, to that, to

01:40:54.420 that man who's, um, uh, who's organized all of this for us and who's, who's

01:40:59.580 basically been the force behind getting us all to sing, uh, these songs. Um, he's

01:41:06.040 also behind the recording of, um, uh, the white Australia song, uh, which I'm, uh, one

01:41:13.280 of the people who sings on it, uh, that's up online on YouTube and things where we

01:41:18.720 did a professional recording of an old, uh, anthem, uh, from like 1912 or something

01:41:24.320 or other, uh, which is up online and we had it professionally recorded and, uh, my, my

01:41:29.380 voices is, is, is one of the ones on there as well. So, yeah. Um, but yeah, it's, uh,

01:41:34.400 the, the, the song, the song side of things has just been like, uh, a really

01:41:38.760 out of left field thing that this guy has done. And, uh, once we all got

01:41:43.260 together, every time we've been at, uh, one of his events, uh, everyone's like

01:41:47.960 hooked. You like think, cause you originally they're thinking, ah, I'm not

01:41:50.580 going to go and sing songs with a bunch of guys, but you turn up there and you

01:41:54.740 have a barbecue and all these men and it's like going to a football match,

01:41:57.840 except, uh, you, you, instead of singing hooligan songs here, you're singing

01:42:02.540 nationalist songs. And, uh, yeah, we have a blast.

01:42:07.260 Oh my gosh, that's a space in itself. Maybe one day he'll be willing to come to

01:42:13.720 the microphone under an anonymous avatar and, and speak with us about that whole

01:42:20.000 concept, because it's extremely deep and it's extremely important that we not only

01:42:25.620 pass down language, but pass down our music of our people, of our folk. And, you

01:42:30.600 know, it was the songs that our grandfathers, great grandfathers were

01:42:35.820 marching, um, to, and it kept them entertained before cell phones and, you

01:42:42.020 know, before, you know, scrolling, you know, there were things we did to entertain

01:42:47.060 ourselves and bond as community. And it was definitely through music, um, that we, we

01:42:54.360 become a folk. Mrs. Band, are you there, dear?

01:42:59.240 Yes, I am. Thanks for having me on.

01:43:03.180 Yeah. Well, thanks for hooking it up. It's obviously, had it not been for you, uh, we

01:43:08.740 would have had a complete communication failure, phone down, you know, account

01:43:14.240 banned. Um, um, my last account on X actually got banned. Um, I had set it up as a way to

01:43:22.540 spread awareness for Steven's plight. And, um, I, uh, was, um, offered some assistance

01:43:31.260 by, um, another member, uh, to take over it. Cause I was just, you know, under so much

01:43:37.700 stress, uh, with having to deal with everything that, um, I gave, I gave the reins over to

01:43:43.960 him on my X account and then he got it banned. So I was like, okay. And I just got off of it.

01:43:49.080 And then when Steven got out, um, I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to get off all social

01:43:54.860 media. I'm not going to do it again. But he says, oh, I need to, he got banned on this

01:44:00.300 other account that he started. And he says, oh, a day before I'm having this radio interview

01:44:05.960 with, with you, I get banned. I'm like, crap. Okay. Well, let's sign you up. And I'll

01:44:11.480 sign myself up again too. And so that's why, and he had a good laugh. Cause, uh, I says,

01:44:17.200 uh, what are we going to name you? Mr. Band on X, or he said band on X. And I'm like,

01:44:22.460 okay, let's do Mr. Band on X. And I'm like, okay, I'll just do mine the same. Mrs. Band

01:44:27.220 on X. Cause I was, um, so yeah. So, so thank you for having me on. I didn't think I was going

01:44:35.140 to be on anything. I was just like, yeah, I'm just going to sit back and listen to him.

01:44:39.380 But yeah, thank you. You're taking a piece of the puzzle here. Very important. You have

01:44:44.700 some, uh, some questions for me? Well, yeah. And I mean, I suppose that, you know, it's,

01:44:50.420 you know, a microcosm of the macrocosm, just how, you know, you're essential to making things

01:44:57.960 work. And, and I, I wanted to ask you because I've heard this complaint in white spaces for a

01:45:04.920 very long time is that, um, often wives, girlfriends don't show support to their boyfriends

01:45:13.400 and husbands, um, because it is scary and it is hard. Um, especially if there's little children

01:45:21.220 and that kind of thing, it's, it's extra hard. We, we spoke with Laura, uh, Amelia, her name's

01:45:27.180 Laura Towler, um, but the wife of Sam Amelia, and they took Sam away in the UK when her babies were

01:45:34.520 like baby babies, you know, and they were two little, like under 18 months. And they're

01:45:41.500 like, we're sending you away forever kind of thing because he had stickers saying it's

01:45:46.880 okay to be white. He had probably like 300, 3000 stickers. They're frigging stickers, you

01:45:52.840 know? And that was, you know, just cause, you know, terrorism, white terrorism. And, and

01:45:59.180 they still have him, um, by the collar too, where he gets to spend time, like now that

01:46:06.440 he's out, he's got these serious bail conditions where, um, he, you know, spends the day with

01:46:12.720 his family, but he has to go to a group home at night to sleep. Right. Um, so he can't spend

01:46:18.840 the night with his family. Um, so like there's reason to be afraid, right? There's lots of,

01:46:25.380 lots of reasons, but perhaps you'd be willing to, you know, share with, you know, the women

01:46:32.020 and the men, uh, like a bit about the courage that it required and, and what it took from

01:46:36.580 you.

01:46:38.740 I have always, uh, been one who, uh, doesn't like authority. Um, and this has been ongoing since

01:46:47.600 the day I was born. Um, I was raised by a single parent who was, um, physically disabled.

01:46:56.960 And so, um, and I didn't have a dad in my life. So I kind of became the strength, uh, for

01:47:03.640 her. She was, uh, very passive and, uh, allowed people to, um, step all over her. And, um, but

01:47:12.940 I was not one who was, uh, who was like that.

01:47:17.600 Um, and, um, so I I've always had this resilience of, um, you don't tell me what to do kind of

01:47:26.080 thing. Um, and in, in regards to like how I came to be as strong as I am now, I've always

01:47:33.980 been strong, but, um, going back to, you know, the, the COVID years when, um, you know, the

01:47:43.360 government was saying, you know, we have this law here in WA, um, which is, is, is the public

01:47:49.700 health act of 2016, I think, where, um, it basically says that the government can come

01:47:56.620 and force jab you. Okay. So, and this is before, this is right before we became Christians.

01:48:02.540 And I was basically saying to my husband, I said, if they come to my door, you better

01:48:07.400 kill me. You better kill me. Cause I'm not going to take it. You know, um, I'm not going

01:48:13.560 to allow them to take me, you know? Um, and so, um, you know, you've got all this, uh, built

01:48:20.800 up stuff that you, you know, you, um, basically, uh, discover who this government is and what

01:48:28.040 they can do. But, um, it's, it's basically just not, uh, giving in. It's not, it's not

01:48:35.220 giving into that authority, um, to basically dictate, uh, what they can and cannot, you know,

01:48:42.240 what you can and cannot do and what they can do to you. Um, and with Stephen's, uh, involvement

01:48:50.040 and in the freedom, uh, movement and supporting him in that, um, aspect of things, because

01:48:56.380 the whole time, you know, it's, it's not like everything that he's ever done is he's done

01:49:00.920 this by himself. It is a team effort. It has always been that way. We, we are one flesh.

01:49:08.320 We are married. We've been together for 21 years, you know? So, um, this is, you know,

01:49:13.440 and our, our relationship has always been based on truth, no matter what. Um, so, um,

01:49:20.040 when you've got truth on your side and you've got, uh, you, you, you're one flesh, you, um,

01:49:28.160 want to protect that at any cost and you will fight for it. Um, so when it comes to like, um,

01:49:35.860 other women in the relationships and they don't feel like, you know, they're not supporting their,

01:49:42.040 their partners, um, they, they really just need to, uh, to have faith that they need to have that

01:49:51.200 faith. They need to believe, um, in God really, they need to have that backing because, um, if you

01:49:59.900 don't have that backing of the faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior, um, you will break

01:50:08.780 because you cannot, um, you don't have, um, we're all weak. We're weak. We don't have any strength

01:50:15.380 on our own. We have to find strength in Jesus Christ. Um, so with, you know, my personality of

01:50:22.000 not, um, you know, taking kindly to authority, um, uh, being one flesh with Steven and, and being a team

01:50:31.240 and the support that we've given to each other over the years in, you know, in everything. So if,

01:50:37.020 if I was doing something, he would support me 100%, we were in it together, you know,

01:50:42.040 since the whole COVID thing, it's been me supporting Steven and, um, and everything that

01:50:47.140 he needs to do. So I've been behind all of the, uh, the, the videoing of him. Um, I've been behind

01:50:54.460 helping him sell his books. He's got two books available on Amazon. Um, uh, one is called, uh,

01:51:01.840 climate change, uh, confessions of a climate change denier. And the other one,

01:51:06.860 um, is the great coronavirus swindle, but because, um, of all of the, um, uh, censorship

01:51:14.440 that was going on, we did have to change the title. So, you know, throughout all of this ordeal

01:51:19.940 of, um, the, the freedom of movement and supporting these things. And then, you know, there, there

01:51:25.800 was a point where, um, in 2022, uh, we had state security at the door, you know, and I, I did

01:51:33.820 have a lot of anxiety with that. So I've had nonstop anxiety since, since the whole COVID

01:51:40.400 thing. Um, but you know, in regards to support and it is very scary, you know, it was very

01:51:47.460 scary for me. I, I was here at the house alone. I didn't have any family or friends here.

01:51:53.400 You know, I, you know, I, I asked him to come home, you know, and that was only because

01:52:00.020 I was hearing from well-meaning people on the outside that he cannot fight this on the

01:52:07.560 inside. He has no, especially in solitary confinement. Um, and so I was hearing their side

01:52:15.340 of things and then, you know, I didn't really have an opportunity to hear Steven's side of

01:52:21.560 things until he actually, you know, he, he broke down to me on the phone. Okay. But

01:52:27.380 it wasn't until like the very next day where he fully explained himself. Cause you got to

01:52:32.420 understand, we only got 10 minutes a day to talk. You know, it was not like we had a lot

01:52:38.000 of opportunity to really sit down and hash anything out. Plus they were listening to our

01:52:42.480 conversations. So I really couldn't get into, into depth of anything I really wanted to say.

01:52:48.360 I had to hold back on a lot of things I wanted to say until after he got out, but you know,

01:52:54.680 I'm here by myself. Our kids are grown, so we don't have any, you know, we don't have that to

01:52:59.820 worry about. Thank God. Um, but yeah, you know, there was instances where I felt like the cops were

01:53:06.520 going to come here and bang, you know, bang down my door and raid the house and throw it to bits and,

01:53:12.100 you know, and intimidate me. And, um, but all the while I would have had that resilience in me going,

01:53:18.300 excuse me. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm scared, but fuck you. Okay. Um, I'm not gonna, you know, I, I learned,

01:53:27.060 um, in 2020, 2021, when Steven was, um, you know, uh, being the guest speaker and learning how to deal

01:53:35.840 with the cops and stuff, um, that you don't answer questions. You don't, you don't answer questions,

01:53:42.580 you know, um, when they come to your door, you don't have to let them in unless they have a

01:53:47.300 warrant. Um, and you don't answer questions. So, yeah, I don't know if that answered your question

01:53:53.800 or not, but. Well, yeah, I mean, we were, we went, we went on a journey with you there. Um,

01:53:59.800 Frank has a stand up, but no, no, it's really great. Frank has a stand up. So jump in there, Frank.

01:54:04.940 Hold on before you go, Frank, I just wanted to say, I put the link to Steven's book for, um,

01:54:10.260 on Amazon up in the bubble, the climate. Yeah. Okay. And I want the, uh, music, uh, recording

01:54:17.240 that's on YouTube, um, as well. So Mrs. Uh, band, if you could send us that link at some point for the

01:54:24.520 song that he was talking about, that would also be great. Yeah. I'll, uh, I'll have, uh, Steven do that

01:54:30.620 as well. Um, should be able to find it. It's called white Australia. Um, you can find it on

01:54:36.440 YouTube. It's, it's pretty easy to find it. Um, there, I think there's two different recordings

01:54:41.320 of that. Um, so it's the one with the, the, the male choir. That's the one that Steven's on.

01:54:49.040 Can someone find that, um, in the audience? Yeah, I'm looking. I'll find it and post it.

01:54:54.280 And send it to me. That'd be amazing. You want it sent to you or put in the space based?

01:54:58.900 Well, yeah. Yep. Either way, like put it, put it in the purple pill if you can, but send

01:55:04.340 it to me or post Ian. We'll put it in the bubble. Frank, go ahead. Yeah, this is really amazing.

01:55:10.060 I appreciate, uh, the young lady's comments and, uh, you know, her emotional state, letting

01:55:15.960 all of you ladies out in the audience and all you fellows know that this is a, this is

01:55:21.120 the, um, anything that we do. And I don't care if any, if a guy has gone for three months,

01:55:26.800 five months or 10 years, it's all the same. This, this whole thing about separation is

01:55:32.660 it's a psychological, uh, I think one of these, one of the two in this couple said that the

01:55:38.620 process is the punishment and that is precisely correct. But I wanted a clarification here real

01:55:44.980 quick. Um, every, a lot of people in here know me and I, I don't actually follow a lot

01:55:50.880 of women on any kind of social media. So is this account, uh, is this controlled by the both of you?

01:55:58.520 Like somebody asked me, uh, to follow them back. And, uh, is that owned by both of you guys? I mean.

01:56:06.400 Um, which one is, um, we've got, um, the Mr. Uh, band, which is Stevens and then mine is Mrs. Band.

01:56:12.980 And we only just signed those up yesterday because we got banned on a different account.

01:56:18.040 Okay. Okay. I don't want to give, I don't want to give too much intel out.

01:56:22.040 So we're, we're, we're also, we're also speaking on each other's accounts at the moment because

01:56:26.400 when we've started, it's pretty funny actually. Yeah. So I'm, we're both being transgender at the

01:56:33.140 moment and, uh, I've become a woman and she's become a man. Okay. Steve, Steve. So I'll, I,

01:56:40.160 I will follow you back. Uh, now that I know that that's your proper account, but let me just, uh,

01:56:45.880 follow up just briefly, if you guys don't mind, this whole scenario is something that everybody

01:56:51.320 better get their shit together and actually, um, put all of this in their brain is that what this

01:56:57.880 couple, I mean, I was just really, I was fascinated by the Mrs. Talking. And, uh, I was just wondering

01:57:05.940 to myself, I wonder what kind of support mechanism my wife would have been able to garner back in the

01:57:13.340 day and all of the wives of the other men, cause there was upwards to like 30 people involved.

01:57:19.000 Right. And that's almost 30 women. It was like 20, 23 or 24, uh, wives and girlfriends and see,

01:57:27.260 you know, everybody knows how I feel about this electronic media, but it is, it is a venue to

01:57:33.780 harness some of these, uh, in my mind, very spectacular, emotional stories. I mean, I was listening to,

01:57:42.280 um, extra and he was very moved. These kinds of things are legitimately moving when, you know,

01:57:49.920 cause we were always in this, this little, uh, intellectual masturbator in here. Right.

01:57:55.060 And, and, you know, you two don't know me, but I'm kind of hard sometimes, but it's necessary.

01:58:01.120 But when real human beings come in with their story, these guys have heard my story a lot. So,

01:58:06.440 but it's, it, it, it's so far back that it's not really in your face. So I'm really happy and very

01:58:14.080 appreciative that a couple like yourself, whether or not, you know, you, you had to deal with this

01:58:20.840 ordeal and almost broke you or whatever. It doesn't matter. The fact that all of us at some point or

01:58:26.980 another, and I'm dead serious, all of us at one point or another are going to face these almost

01:58:35.340 certain types of behaviors from the state, um, facing off as an individual with, you know, how tough

01:58:44.160 are you, you know, how strong really are you? And, uh, it's just, uh, I'm very, very grateful that

01:58:50.980 I ended up in this space today and I'll just shut up and let you guys finish. I just want to say in

01:58:57.260 regards to what, you know, you were saying in regards to network, what your wife could have had

01:59:02.160 in, in regards to network, um, uh, what the support that I got during the time that he was, uh,

01:59:09.800 incarcerated, held hostage, I'd say, um, was the, the network. So, um, I had, uh, people in our network,

01:59:19.200 um, assisting and checking up on me. Um, I had, you know, phone calls from people to, uh, comfort me

01:59:28.800 and, you know, I was invited over to dinner a few times by, uh, people, um, I could drop into, um,

01:59:37.220 you know, people, obviously these people weren't living around where I'm at. So I did have to go,

01:59:42.620 you know, uh, drive around to go and visit people. But, um, I always had, uh, someone ringing me up

01:59:50.000 or checking in on me on, on telegram, um, to make sure that I was okay. Do I need anything? Um,

01:59:58.380 the, the most, uh, uh, the part that was, uh, most stressful for me was when, um,

02:00:09.980 um, Stephen got fired from his job and there was only like six weeks worth of holiday pay.

02:00:17.360 Um, I can't work full time due to health issues. And so my income doesn't even cover the rent.

02:00:24.640 And so technically, uh, South pole could have made me homeless. And so I was, uh, stressing out

02:00:33.980 that I would have to put everything back into storage again and go and couch surf somewhere,

02:00:39.400 you know, go live in a backpacker place or go and live with my son or something. Um,

02:00:45.420 so the, the, the network, um, around me was, is very strong and very supportive. Um, and one of the

02:00:55.980 members organized, um, a fundraiser for us to help with legal fees and to help support me. And had I,

02:01:02.560 had I, had we not had that, I would have been made homeless and it would have made things a lot

02:01:08.040 more difficult to handle, but I would have been willing to do that. Um, before we, uh, moved to

02:01:15.520 the area that we are in, we did live in a backpackers place for six weeks whilst we were looking for a new

02:01:21.920 place to live. So it's not like I couldn't do the same thing again. Um, you know, and these things

02:01:28.540 are just, they're just possessions, you know, it's not like we leave the earth with any of it. So

02:01:32.980 things can be replaced. Lives cannot though. So, um, so yeah, I I'd say, uh, having a strong network

02:01:41.000 behind you, um, as a woman, um, uh, involved in, in, you know, with people that are, you know,

02:01:48.260 men that are involved in an organization like we're in, um, is important. And, um, yeah, I mean,

02:01:56.740 it's a situation where, um, yeah, I mean, I, I can't, you know, I can't really say, uh, too much

02:02:07.000 about other people, but I'm just determined. I, I, I don't like people messing with me, you know,

02:02:12.460 and especially the, the, the people in my life, I will fight for them. And yes, it has taken a toll

02:02:17.920 on me, a huge toll. Um, so I'm still dealing with the emotional impacts of all of that, even though

02:02:24.220 he's been out since May 16th, I'm still, uh, dealing with a lot of that, but, um, you know,

02:02:31.400 and, and I, and I have these, uh, these thoughts of, you know, it could happen again. I'll be

02:02:36.420 stronger next time, but it doesn't mean it's going to be easy. It never is. Never is.

02:02:41.180 Well, now you have us too. Yeah. You can pick up the telegram and telegram us. We're just a

02:02:49.760 telegram away. Yeah, man. We'll do a group call anytime, anytime. Um, yeah. Yeah. Thank you so

02:02:58.000 much. Thank you so much for, um, your sacrifice for what you've done for the movement and, you know,

02:03:04.100 the women in the background are often unsung heroes. And I think this really, um, demonstrated

02:03:10.900 your white power and your excellence and, um, what conviction of your character and leaning on

02:03:18.100 your faith when you have nothing else to lean on. So, um, you know, we're all moved today by this,

02:03:25.020 uh, thank you, this conversation. Thank you. And, um, postie, I'm going to, I'm like,

02:03:33.560 I have to pick up my jaw. I know. I've been lucky because I haven't had to do much of the talking,

02:03:38.560 so I could just, you know, bathe in the, in the excellence that it is. So, yeah. Did,

02:03:45.620 well, I guess, I don't know. Did Frank have a question? Cause I'm on the computer and all I

02:03:48.860 see is Frank had his hand up unless Frank's got something else. Okay. I did want to, I want to

02:03:54.060 shift this just a little bit into before we go, because we've taken two hours of Mr. and Mrs.

02:03:59.940 Bans time. But I wanted to ask, um, a bit about what you think or understand, uh, to be happening

02:04:08.900 with the mass banning of Australian accounts on X, you know, because it's alarming. Um,

02:04:17.280 even, you know, the next level down to your guys, the periphery guys. Yeah. Yeah. The periphery guys

02:04:23.860 are not even being allowed a voice. And, you know, some of those guys I'm really fond of and,

02:04:28.760 you know, and we chat and they keep have like disappearing and it's like awful. So what do you

02:04:35.740 think is happening between X and I don't know if it's, you tell me what it is. Um, well, the sort of

02:04:46.040 consensus in the movement is that the, the government, uh, is basically talking behind the

02:04:52.840 scenes with, um, yeah, with, with the board of, uh, with the board of Elon's, uh, fake company

02:05:03.020 and, um, and, and basically putting the pressure on and yeah, pretty much I, I have absolutely zero

02:05:11.120 respect for Elon Musk and always thought he was a wanker. Um, and yeah, everything that

02:05:18.500 he says about free speech, he's just a lying hypocrite. Um, he's just controlled opposition.

02:05:25.100 He's, he's just, uh, so like Blair made, uh, some, uh, interesting sort of observation about

02:05:32.580 it, that, um, all of this sort of Nazi content is, is, is coming onto X at the moment, but it's

02:05:40.200 all LARPers, you know, it's all people who aren't actively involved. So I think he said

02:05:46.120 it looks like they're sort of allowing people to sort of, uh, to laugh about being Nazis that

02:05:52.140 allows people to being internet warriors, um, Nazis. But if anybody looks as if they might

02:05:59.040 actually be doing something in the real world, then they're the ones they ban. Um, so they've

02:06:05.260 got a pretty much, I mean, they're obviously, we, we, we basically take it and have for years

02:06:11.340 that, um, all of the privacy laws, I just don't mean anything to the government and that every

02:06:16.880 time I go online, uh, regardless of how secure you think the account is, you're being listened

02:06:21.900 to. Um, and they know who everybody is and they've got files on everybody. I mean, I found

02:06:27.620 out that I was, um, my name was mentioned in a Senate inquiry about a year ago. Um, unbeknownst

02:06:33.260 to me, like somebody else had to point it out that my, that my name had popped up in

02:06:37.440 a Senate inquiry into right winning extremism and terrorism. And I'm like, and so I had

02:06:42.740 to write a bunch of letters to the MP saying, you know, how on earth dare, what, why, how

02:06:47.920 on earth do you dare to, um, mention me in a terrorism report when I've never been, uh,

02:06:54.280 even accused of any crime, much less convicted one. How, how dare you start bandying my name

02:07:00.060 about without giving me the right, right to reply. So this sort of thing sort of going

02:07:04.700 on behind the scenes. And I reckon pretty much that, um, everything that Elon says about

02:07:11.120 free speech is just, it's just theater. And, uh, they've just moved to the next phase and

02:07:16.940 they're in the next attempt to try and hold us back. And, you know, they will for a while.

02:07:22.180 Um, but you know, they're not going to succeed in the end. So, I mean, it's, it's not something

02:07:27.440 I particularly worry about because, um, the movement's just growing and growing. Everything

02:07:32.500 they do just causes our numbers to explode. So yeah, the more they ban us, the more we'll

02:07:38.020 grow. Uh, the more they try and silence us, the more we'll speak out. Um, the more repressive

02:07:45.180 they come, the stronger and closer to victory we become. So it's, um, they can, they're doing

02:07:52.340 all of these things and it doesn't particularly what they do now or what they'll do next. Um,

02:07:56.620 everything that they do, um, is just doomed to lose at this point because we're, we've got

02:08:02.760 the momentum behind us. We've got the conviction behind us and we've got to the stage now where

02:08:10.040 we don't care anymore what they do to us. There's enough of us now who don't care whether

02:08:16.120 they kill us, whether they jail us, whether they torture us, whether they, we don't care

02:08:20.460 what they do to us anymore. It's like, we're beyond that. It's like, we're, as far as we're

02:08:25.320 concerned, we're dead already. You've already taken our lives. You can't take anything else

02:08:29.700 from us. You can do whatever you like now because we gave our lives away back in the COVID

02:08:35.400 era. So there's nothing left to take. And so there's nothing that they've, they've got

02:08:40.640 no leverage over us anymore. And so it's done. It's just a matter of time. They're already

02:08:46.400 a dead, rotting carcass and we're just waiting for someone to come along with a broom and sweep

02:08:51.000 them away.

02:08:54.520 Wow. Um, extra, do you think you could give us some final thoughts and then ferry, if you

02:09:00.540 could think of some final thoughts, Steve, Hanson, final thoughts guys, but extra, you're

02:09:07.360 still here. And I know that you are a man of, um, many great words. So if you perhaps

02:09:15.420 could, you know, share some of your wisdom, I'd be grateful.

02:09:21.000 Wow. All right. Uh, I'm kind of glad that you brought it back to COVID there because yeah.

02:09:25.680 Um, I had been very disappointed with the world, uh, meaning people for a long time and

02:09:31.560 thinking that it was already over. And then when COVID came along, I thought, okay, well

02:09:36.300 at least this has to bring things to a head and it will be the final battle. And a lot of

02:09:40.800 people said, ah, you know, it's great in times of crisis because you find out who your real

02:09:44.380 friends are, uh, who, who you can really stand with in the battle. And I found, oh, I have

02:09:50.480 no friends, nobody stands with me. Uh, and that's really disappointed me. Uh, but I, what

02:09:57.040 it did do is, you know, kind of make me grow up again a bit more even and sort of say, okay,

02:10:02.380 uh, well, you know, it just goes to show that if I feel that I'm principled or if I willing

02:10:07.300 to, you know, pay the ultimate sacrifice for anything, then it must, you know, ultimately

02:10:12.720 be a solitary journey if it needs to be. Uh, now granted we've all maybe found each other

02:10:18.420 over the internet and we might like to think that, uh, you know, we just don't have to be

02:10:23.140 in physical close proximity all the time. Uh, but that we're of a single mind, but we all need

02:10:28.080 reminding, I think like this as well. One of the great things that you said earlier, and I would

02:10:32.660 just reiterate this, uh, I often meant to talk about this for, for a long time, uh, because it

02:10:38.260 helped me as a trick to, to, to not give up smoking, just to not have a cigarette for five

02:10:42.940 minutes. I said, I'll have a cigarette now because I want one. I went, hold on, hold on a second

02:10:47.080 now, John. Maybe I can just wait five minutes. I'm not denying myself, but I'll wait five

02:10:51.460 minutes and then I'll have one or see how I feel. And that's how you turn five minutes

02:10:56.320 into an hour, into a day, into a week, into enough time as if, you know, it just went by

02:11:01.920 and you didn't need to set yourself an impossible goal. You didn't sort of say, I have to now

02:11:07.460 crucify myself for all eternity. You just said, give me, give myself five more minutes and

02:11:12.260 then I'll check in with myself and see how I feel. So in order to win this battle, that

02:11:16.860 was very cliche and trite, but you have to set yourself these sort of achievable little

02:11:22.760 goals and break the big problem up into the small problems. As you said, one day at a time,

02:11:26.940 sweet Jesus type thing. These trite little ditties come to you out of the strangest of

02:11:33.780 places in your moments of crisis when you need them most. And that's why I do see sometimes

02:11:38.880 as this journey through life, it is paralleled very much in a lot of the Christian parables,

02:11:45.140 even though a lot of people want to throw it away wholesale. I reiterate again, I think

02:11:49.620 that anybody will find through their own perspectives, whatever they kind of want to see, or they're

02:11:56.040 looking for an excuse to give up anyway. But men of good character don't. They draw inspiration

02:12:00.920 or the good parts from anything, from anywhere that will be of use for them in the moment when

02:12:07.620 it matters. The other thing then I'll just kind of revert to is this idea of COVID and how we've

02:12:14.420 found that so many people talk a lot of brave noise, but when it really comes to it, I use the

02:12:20.000 analogy of maybe a battery that says that it's holding 12 volts or 14 volts a car battery. You

02:12:25.020 try and start your car and it immediately dies when you try and draw a load from it. So really the test,

02:12:30.620 you know, a synthetic test of how much character is in this guy, he'll say all these lovely words,

02:12:36.860 report to you that he's full of the best of intentions. But you do have to be prepared for

02:12:41.800 the fact that you're going to find that your army might flee when just when you think that you're

02:12:48.220 about to lead them into battle. But you have to be prepared for that and have a sort of a plan B or

02:12:55.260 whatever. The social contract is what I'm getting at here. A lot of people want to forget now,

02:13:01.500 we're five years after COVID. I won't wax on too lyrical and I don't want to be blackpilled about

02:13:05.020 this or saying that it's depressive. But you do have to, I think we all have to face harsh realities

02:13:10.700 now about the people that we live around. We're always trying to wake them up. You know, if we only

02:13:15.420 could give them this fact, it would make them realise maybe there's still some people who are very slow

02:13:19.100 about the whole thing. But I think 2020 might have made a lot of us realise an uncomfortable truth

02:13:24.940 that people aren't asleep or they don't suffer from lack of knowledge. They know that well and

02:13:30.860 they just don't want to have to have the responsibility of admitting that they know

02:13:34.540 because then they have the responsibility to to act upon that knowledge. And they don't want to have

02:13:39.740 to be certainly not the first man out of the gate. If if already it seems that that the battle has been

02:13:46.140 fought and and they can see who's a winning side, they'll they'll quickly rally around and pretend

02:13:49.980 that I was always there in the battle. So I'm not saying that we need to be suicidal,

02:13:54.860 but we need to understand that there is no social contract. That's part of it. And so we shouldn't,

02:14:01.660 I find myself, maybe others do as well, find myself still kind of, even though I remember full well,

02:14:06.940 the intensity, it wanes over time. And I'd like to have reminding of the fact that these things like

02:14:11.740 habeas corpus, whether it's just simply let me show that the prisoner is alive or and in good health or,

02:14:17.980 you know, due process and a right to a trial or even a trial date, even if not speedy, all these

02:14:22.460 kind of things. You mentioned Magna Carta, which, you know, Canada and Australia is supposed to be

02:14:26.860 based on. But all this is out the window. This is just the veneer of civilization, which was stripped

02:14:32.060 away entirely in 2020. But a lot of people like to believe the substrate is growing back, you know,

02:14:37.580 people, they just want to move on. And, you know, they want people to sort of forgive and forget

02:14:41.820 without any contrition, without any show that they were wrong or acknowledgement that they

02:14:48.460 might have been mistaken. They just want to be not just forgiven, but the whole thing to be forgotten

02:14:53.660 about, like these, you know, kind of creepy saccharine and artificial entreaties in Atlantic magazine,

02:15:01.260 like the time has come to move on. No, it hasn't. We need to remember exactly what we're dealing with.

02:15:05.820 Maybe our own people, you know, used to be the braver stock. We're all killed off and dead and we're just

02:15:11.420 left with the dregs and a few honorable men. But look, I'm not saying that I'm not saying that it's all

02:15:20.060 doom and gloom, but there is a reality to it. But what I'm grateful for is honorable men, again, not

02:15:26.060 trying to flattery, but clearly men of good character who are willing to put their money where their mouth is,

02:15:31.340 so to speak, you know, push their chips all in. And, you know, I'll at least one last analogy.

02:15:40.220 They climb to the top of the diving board, they look out over the great height and they take that

02:15:44.780 leap. They don't just go, oh, I can't do it and then turn around and walk back down the ladder.

02:15:48.860 They go so far and then they push that one further step forward that makes all the difference.

02:15:54.940 And I think that the value of, I'll finish on this now, the value of the conversation and hearing

02:15:59.420 people like this is that it reminds me that I don't want to be like all those other

02:16:05.180 sneaking cowards who turn away just when they're needed. I want to be somebody who,

02:16:11.340 when the moment calls for it, is reminded that I want to be somebody like that as well, who's brave

02:16:17.260 enough to suffer for the righteous cause. And I think we're going to be tested more and more in

02:16:24.780 the future. So again, thank you. And I hope to hear more from you in the future.

02:16:29.580 Thank you.

02:16:30.620 Thanks, Extra. Steve, did you want to go ahead and then we'll go to Ferry?

02:16:35.820 Steve Hansen, sorry.

02:16:39.020 Yeah, no worries.

02:16:42.380 There's a few things I could say here, but first of all, thank you, Mr. and Mrs. Band,

02:16:49.340 for taking the time to chat with us today. Courage is contagious and I definitely feel like I've caught

02:16:56.620 the contagion. So thank you for being courageous and doing what maybe in hindsight seems like

02:17:07.820 um, not a great act, but you know, it is definitely a very courageous act and very principled of you,

02:17:16.940 which in a time where so many of our folk, um, suffer from cowardice, you know, these,

02:17:25.020 these acts of courage are very moralizing and very empowering. So it's not to be underestimated or

02:17:32.220 understated, uh, the gravity of, of your decisions and the courage in your convictions. So big thank you to

02:17:40.380 that. And, you know, just a little more broadly, I think today is highlighted and whether people are

02:17:49.180 of the Christian faith or the pre-Christian faith, that having a spirituality and having that as a

02:17:57.500 foundation, um, of your, of your, um, beliefs will empower you to get through these, uh, trying times.

02:18:09.340 And so I do think that it's important whether people, you know, Christian or pre-Christian

02:18:14.860 gods that they worship, that they, um, do so in a way that invigorates them and empowers them to be

02:18:23.020 able to, uh, put themselves at the service of their folk to sacrifice for their folk and, you know,

02:18:31.580 do that rather than, um, quarrel with one another about who's sky daddy is the, the correct one.

02:18:41.020 Um, to me, it's more of the fact that you have a spirituality and that that gives you

02:18:45.900 the faith that you need to fight for your folks. So, um, I say that as a Christian myself,

02:18:51.580 so God bless you both and God bless Australia, Australia for the white man by God, we'll have our

02:18:57.980 home again. Hey Ben. Yeah. The only God, the only God you're not allowed to worship is the spaghetti

02:19:05.820 monster. Oh, it's very, you know, you're, I know you're a busy man and you're a great leader of

02:19:18.620 Canadian nationalists. And I'm like, I feel like these interviews with the Australians are just gifts.

02:19:24.860 And, and, um, you were the first one to bring Australia to Canada. And now I'm really happy

02:19:30.380 that I got to gift you with, uh, Stephen Wells. So maybe you could share some of your thoughts.

02:19:41.820 Sorry, who are you asking? Oh, we're just asking Ferryman. Not to put you on the spot there,

02:19:45.340 Ferry, if you're like eating or something, but he's probably kickboxing.

02:19:50.940 Just in the intermittents, I'll, um, just want to let you all know also that I'm about, uh,

02:19:59.340 three quarters of the walk of the way through of writing, uh, a book about everything that I've

02:20:05.820 gone through and what got me there and all the rest of it. So anybody who's wanting some more detail

02:20:11.900 of it, I should hopefully have the third book out, um, within the next few months.

02:20:17.740 Um, and, uh, I've really been really enjoying writing it. I'm having a blast, um, just going

02:20:24.220 as dark as I could. Uh, and then in the midst of the tears and the terror and horror, just putting

02:20:30.300 in some absolutely, uh, totally inappropriate joke just to break the tension. That's been real fun.

02:20:35.980 So I'm, I'm, uh, I'm looking forward to bringing this book out and, uh, I hope anybody who, uh,

02:20:40.780 who reads it has a, has a blast. Oh yeah. Um, and I'm probably not going to be on, on X very much.

02:20:49.100 I'm on telegram under Stephen Wells triggers everyone. Nice. Okay.

02:20:55.500 Well, we are waiting for the ferryman to chime in. I do just want to encourage you,

02:21:01.820 Mr. Wells. I hope that one day you do run for office and I would love to hear the Australian

02:21:07.420 media have to refer to you as Senator Stephen Wells. I will actually, uh, I'll be starting off

02:21:14.540 at local council again. So I did, I did run for council, um, a year and a half ago, which was, uh,

02:21:21.100 uh, how the, uh, NSN, uh, really decided to get in contact with me in the first place. Cause, uh,

02:21:26.540 they ran a hit piece on me on, in the, uh, the state, uh, run newspaper and also on the state run

02:21:35.340 TV. And, uh, they, they really did a, a number on me and my wife, uh, 18 months ago. Um, so I'll be

02:21:44.140 running again for local council, um, uh, in a few months time again, and then, um,

02:21:51.340 yeah, we're looking at putting a political party together, uh, under the white Australia banner.

02:21:56.060 Uh, I just need to, um, uh, renounce my British citizenship because, uh, dual nationals aren't

02:22:03.420 allowed to run, but yeah, that is, that is on the cards. Um, and I think it'll be a blast. Um,

02:22:09.420 not that I think I'll, uh, be very good in parliament, uh, in terms of, or enjoy it at all. I will hate

02:22:16.220 the experience, uh, bureaucracy and politics, uh, in parliament is my idea of absolute torture.

02:22:25.180 Uh, but, um, as a shit stirrer, I think I'm going to have a lot of fun. So, um,

02:22:31.980 yeah, so I'll, I'll, I'm, I'm definitely looking at doing that, uh, just to have the fun of actually

02:22:37.740 having a go. And, um, I probably won't even run a campaign. I'll just sort of, um, uh,

02:22:44.380 announce that I'm running and then let the media do all the publicity for me. Um, um,

02:22:50.060 cause I've already had like, um, Davir Abramovich, the head, uh, Jewish gargoyle, um,

02:22:57.020 say that I shouldn't be allowed to run for anything because I want to build gas chambers.

02:23:00.780 That was when I was running for council, uh, which is really funny. Cause, uh, as a, as a lowly

02:23:06.140 local council member, um, I don't know what my power would be to actually install

02:23:11.260 gas chambers into every, into the toilet of every new house that's built. But, um,

02:23:15.180 um, but apparently he believes that I, I, I have that power. So yeah, I'm, uh, I will be running

02:23:23.340 for office and I'm going to have a blast doing it and I'm not going to take it too seriously, but,

02:23:27.180 um, uh, yeah, it'll be fun. So yes, I will definitely be taking that route given the opportunity.

02:23:35.980 All right, ferryman, you're up.

02:23:37.100 I think a lot of what needs to be said has already been said. Um, and obviously thank you to

02:23:53.500 Steven and I didn't catch your wife's name, um, but your wife for, for coming on.

02:24:00.620 Yeah. I'll, I'll, I'll leave her name blank for the moment, but yes.

02:24:04.780 Sure enough. Um, I know I just, uh, yeah, my wife's just saying it's not like they can't

02:24:11.340 find me. I mean, I'm tied to this. I know, but I, I know I just, I just want, uh, I just like to

02:24:17.260 keep it. No, they're having a wee domestic on the space. It's Mrs. Band. We'll just refer to

02:24:23.260 it as Mrs. Band. Mrs. Band. Yes. Mrs. Band. And, and, and you do as your husband tells you, woman.

02:24:29.980 I don't like authority. Shut up.

02:24:34.780 Um, yes, I am the man in this relationship. You'll defer to me. Yes. Um, anyway, so

02:24:45.340 I, the only thing that I would have to add here from a larger perspective, I suppose,

02:24:52.380 is that we all understand that we're at war, but very few people are willing to be casualties

02:25:02.940 in that war. And that's something we're going to have to overcome. And it's something that obviously

02:25:08.540 Steven spoke to a lot tonight, which is the willingness to be a casualty in this fight.

02:25:14.940 Now it helps when you have leadership like the Australians have, who would not ask any of their

02:25:22.060 members to do anything that they wouldn't do. And in most cases are asking them to do considerably less

02:25:28.940 than they are, uh, than they do themselves. But ultimately, if we're going to win, we need people,

02:25:37.500 um, that are will that accept that the consequences of this fight could have extremely detrimental

02:25:45.500 impacts on them personally. And that's just a risk. That's a necessity. If we're going to claim victory.

02:25:53.100 And so now that doesn't mean that we should take those sacrifices lightly. And when they happen,

02:26:01.900 we should, you know, like, as we've discussed tonight, we should appreciate these stories and

02:26:08.620 listen, um, you know, to them. But, um, it's something that more of us need to be willing to do.

02:26:17.260 Um, and it's, it's tough to do. I mean, from my own personal experience, obviously I haven't been

02:26:25.580 through anything with, you know, Steven's been through, but, um, I had to make my peace with this

02:26:31.980 in Ottawa in 2022, when I decided that I wasn't going to leave parliament. And I wasn't going to

02:26:38.780 back away from the cops, that I was going to stand there and refuse to move and come what may,

02:26:44.780 like, I had no idea what could have happened, but, um, luckily I was one of the ones that was caught

02:26:51.580 and then released. Um, but that could have gone very different. And, you know, I made my peace with

02:26:57.100 that in that moment, as did hundreds of others, um, who stood there with me. Um, as, as Steve Hansen

02:27:06.060 said, courage is contagious. And, uh, I mean, the Aussies are a textbook on this. Every time I see them do

02:27:13.740 something, I'm like, we need to work fucking harder. Like I, I have like a, a saying now with

02:27:19.980 the guys where, you know, whenever I see Patriot front or the NSN or, you know, any of the groups

02:27:27.740 that are active like this, getting out there, I go to the guys and I'm like, row, you bastards,

02:27:33.180 row, like, let's fucking go. Like, it's time we, like, we got to catch up here. We've got work to

02:27:38.700 fucking do, you know, these guys are on the beach and we're still out at sea. Like let's

02:27:43.420 fucking get row in here. Um, and so I don't know. I, I appreciate, um, listening to Steven's story

02:27:52.140 and, um, row, you bastards, row.

02:27:55.100 Yeah, man, Steven, any final thoughts and then we'll close up the space.

02:28:07.660 Um, probably the final thought is just, um, look, all of the people that the listeners out there,

02:28:14.860 uh, are looking up to, um, especially when you look at, you know, the, the real leaders of

02:28:20.140 these organizations like Tom and, um, they all started small that they, they, they once had

02:28:31.420 nobody. They, they once were just a single person deciding that they've had enough and

02:28:38.060 fuck it. I'm going to do it regardless of the consequences. That's how they all started.

02:28:43.420 And if you've nobody around you at the moment, if you're alone, if you don't have a network of

02:28:48.940 people who think like you just start anyway, it may not lead to anything, but at least you'll

02:28:56.060 feel better about yourself. And if six people or, you know, around the country or in that situation,

02:29:05.820 if just six of you or even less, if it was just you, um, one of you will make it. One of you will

02:29:13.420 be the next Tom Saw. So start, don't worry about what it will lead to. It might lead to nothing,

02:29:22.300 but that's not why you do it. You do it for yourself first. So do it for you. And, um, and who

02:29:29.580 knows what will happen after that? Who knows where it will lead? Who knows who you will inspire. And

02:29:35.500 even if you're not the person who ends up being the next Tom Saw, maybe just your single action,

02:29:40.860 your single act of courage will inspire one other person who inspires one other person who inspires

02:29:48.620 one other person. And then that person will be the next Tom Saw. It's, it's going to lead to

02:29:53.820 something. Your individual choices matter in the greater scheme of things. And you may not see it and

02:30:00.140 you might not feel it and you may not experience any of it, but I promise you from the bottom of my

02:30:05.420 heart, you yourself personally will feel better for having done it. Even if you see no

02:30:14.780 wider implications of what you've done, you'll still feel a lot better about yourself. So yeah,

02:30:20.780 have that moment of courage when your time comes, take that step, do that thing that you were thinking

02:30:26.300 about and it will be worth it somehow. I can't tell you how only that it will be. Um, so just go

02:30:34.060 for it and, and don't worry about what's going to happen next. That that's, that's why you, that's

02:30:40.620 why we have this concept called God. That's why we have this concept of faith. You do what you're

02:30:45.980 supposed to do. Give the rest up to God or the ether or nature or whatever you believe in,

02:30:52.940 or just do it just for the fuck of it. Give up the consequences and give up the outcome to others.

02:31:01.260 Don't worry about the outcome. Do it just because it's good for you and feels good for you and holds

02:31:08.060 your integrity together. And something will happen, whatever it is, but I promise you it will be worth

02:31:15.740 it. Amen. That's amazing. And I I'll just say, thank you so much for you to you and your wife.

02:31:23.580 And it's not easy to move me to emotion. I'm a very unemotional person base knows this.

02:31:30.860 So, um, you did. And honestly, it kind of put me in a, it gave me a little bit more perspective that,

02:31:35.900 you know, some days I feel like it's not worth it. All this is just not worth it. The hassle and the

02:31:40.380 bullshit that you deal with, but, uh, you've definitely inspired me to, you know, keep going.

02:31:48.140 I think it's a case of, I think it's a case of, do you want evil to win?

02:31:54.460 Are you against it? You know, who do you stand with? You got to stand with God and you got to

02:31:59.580 stand with truth and you've got to stand with what's, what's right. And the other side of things

02:32:04.780 is if you do nothing, they're definitely going to win. Like you, they're going to come for you

02:32:11.340 sooner or later. Anyway, you can either be like a sheep and hope that the crocodile eats your last

02:32:17.020 or you can just go bugger it. If I'm going to be eaten by a crocodile, I'm going to go down

02:32:21.180 trying to re reenact that scene from crocodile Dundee where he sticks a knife in his head first.

02:32:25.900 You know, how am I going to die? I'm not going to die like a sheep on my knees after a year,

02:32:32.220 after year, after year, after year of them slowly chipping away at me. And basically I was dead from

02:32:41.100 the moment I was born and I was just waiting to be buried. I'm not going to die like that. Or am I

02:32:46.860 going to die fighting? Win or lose? Which way do you want to go down? Which way do you want to go down?

02:32:55.420 Because they're coming for you regardless. Sooner or later, they're going to come for you and your

02:33:01.340 family regardless of what you do. If you power in your bedroom for the rest of your life,

02:33:07.020 they're still going to get you eventually. So why not go out fighting? Who cares if you win or lose?

02:33:15.260 Just do it because that's the better way to go out. Die a glorious death. Don't die

02:33:21.900 whimpering in a corner. Will they take the last piece of you that you've got left to give. Die a

02:33:29.500 glorious death, boys. Are you getting vibes of Sternbogel here?

02:33:33.500 It took a comical turn there at the end. But he's 100% right in that the reason blackpilling

02:33:42.620 makes no sense is because even if it was fucking true that it's hopeless and there's nothing that

02:33:48.860 can be done, you should still fight. Because what else are you going to do? What else is there to

02:33:55.740 do? Just lose? Like even if it is hopeless, you still fight so that your very last action can be

02:34:02.700 at least be to spit in the face of the people who are doing what, you know, they are to us.

02:34:08.220 And so blackpilling never makes sense. You've got to go out with a hard on. I'm sorry guys.

02:34:12.700 And this is sexual, but you have to go out. You know, with bigger, you've got to, you've got to,

02:34:18.700 you know, like with the spiritual potency as a man, when you just give in, if you're going to die,

02:34:25.980 go out, you know, go out feeling full of testosterone guys. I mean, come on.

02:34:32.300 What happened back in like, you know, when we were all in the medieval days and we're, you know,

02:34:36.940 at war and we're, you know, knights and shining armors and fighting each other. And one's got a

02:34:43.100 bigger arm than the other. You still fight. Well, this is something that I was going to add to this

02:34:50.220 as well, which is there's a reason why these final last stands, these stories are the quintessential,

02:34:58.060 you know, climactic moments in European history. And it's something we all appreciate,

02:35:03.900 whether it's Thermopylae or the siege of Vienna or Charlemagne or insert whatever story you'd like.

02:35:12.380 There's a reason why we lionize these stories of, of final last stands or last charges or desperate

02:35:19.500 efforts. And it's because it speaks to something very deep and, um, important to our nature,

02:35:27.740 which is honor, blood and honor. Yeah. Just, just blood and honor. Exactly. Blood and honor.

02:35:34.700 And just remember people, if you're black pills, just remember if you go out fighting in a thousand

02:35:42.540 or 3000 years time, there'll be a movie about you and you'll have fantastic abs.

02:35:47.580 And hopefully they don't replace you with a black person.

02:35:50.380 Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully you're not played by Denzel Washington.

02:35:56.780 Oh God. Oh God. Don't black pill people really badly. Come on.

02:36:03.340 Um, Hanson, I see you there. You, you got the final, final after final thought.

02:36:08.300 Yeah. So this, uh, last point that was made by Mr. Wells and Fairman is encapsulated in the

02:36:18.380 course of one of Greg Arcade songs on his album soundtrack to the collapse. And it goes,

02:36:23.820 you got to fight against the dying of the lie with all that you got inside you. If you go down swinging,

02:36:33.100 you can say that you did all you could do. So if you're going to go down, go down, swing,

02:36:39.820 go down swinging. Amen. Amen. Um, well, Steven and Mrs. Steven, thank you so much for your time.

02:36:50.300 And I'm glad like, you know, this is again, a connecting opportunity, connecting you to Frank,

02:36:56.620 um, connecting you to Steve Hanson, um, ferryman of course, who's like, you know, a brother, um, from

02:37:03.660 another mother with Australia extra, you know, coming in hot from Ireland. So, um, I just really

02:37:11.020 want to thank the panelists, uh, for making this like a really rich and powerful discussion. Um,

02:37:17.420 and you know, my friends down there, Blondie Lee, I see you Canadian girl red, um, you know,

02:37:23.980 the deport reports been hanging all night. Thank you so much, um, for being with us. I got,

02:37:30.700 I got a total story of white power tonight and a story of courage, resilience and tenacity,

02:37:38.620 um, and defiance. Oh, the sweet, the sweet, sweet taste of defiance. Um, and it, and it's balanced

02:37:47.180 with love and faith. So I definitely feel enriched in tonight posty. Like we knocked it out of the park.

02:37:53.740 This was amazing. We had these amazing sessions with the Australians. We're, we're deeply connected.

02:37:59.420 Um, so thank you everybody. And admin, if you're there, you can shut us down. You can shut us down,

02:38:06.700 but thanks everybody. Thanks guys. Thank you, Steven. Bye.

02:38:10.940 Bye. See ya.

02:38:12.300 Cheers.

02:38:13.340 Cheers.

postyX - June 27, 2025

Champion of Defiance： Talking with the NSN's Stephen Wells

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