postyX - June 24, 2026


Ethno nationalism or Civic Nationalism- Is there a difference and what is better for a nation？

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Angela Pagniello
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Greg Johnson Thomas Sewell Fordy
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In this episode of the podcast, we have a special guest on the show, post-colonialist and anti-racist academic, Tim Fordy. Tim is joined by his wife, Vanessa, to discuss their views on multiculturalism, identity and identity politics.

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00:00:00.000 question but for now posty welcome to the conversation where do you want to lead us
00:00:03.560 hello okay so before i give my little thoughts or my monologue on this i want to say i agree with 40
00:00:10.480 obviously that there is no ethno or civic there is just nationalism you can't come to this country
00:00:16.480 and say you're a nationalist because you don't belong to this nation you're a resident here
00:00:20.500 maybe you have citizenship and who says you're welcome here like you mentioned wolf well what
00:00:25.340 if they you know the government yeah the government gave you paperwork that says you're here but does
00:00:29.440 the nation the people think you belong here so that's that's my whole thing right and i'm basically
00:00:36.260 going to take my whole little monologue from a book called loving our own by greg johnson just
00:00:40.780 because he sums it up a lot better than i can probably articulate uh without saying a lot of
00:00:45.120 ums and all this kind of stuff so basically nations are extended families right rooted in
00:00:50.860 blood shared culture shared language like a family the nation offers unconditional belonging
00:00:58.180 the basis for this belonging is the love of one's own we love other members of our nation because
00:01:05.720 they are like us and that is further to what fortisac said as well like they look like us
00:01:10.560 they act like us they're they're like our family right um to use the language of science it's a
00:01:17.760 called a fellow feeling, which is based on a genetic similarity. And this is from, like I said,
00:01:22.520 Dr. Johnson, who wrote this book, Dr. Greg Johnson. It follows that multicultural, multiracial
00:01:28.920 hodgepodge cannot be a genuine nation and cannot inspire the feelings of love and loyalty that we 1.00
00:01:36.020 find in a racially homogenous nation. The material and psychological well-being of a people require 1.00
00:01:42.480 safe havens, and that includes a racially homogenous society.
00:01:46.420 People need sovereign homelands. Ethnostates, he used the word
00:01:50.300 and this is a right and not a privilege. And I will finish 0.81
00:01:54.580 with one of the great nationalists of our time
00:01:58.300 from Australia, Tom Sewell. A nation for everyone is a nation
00:02:02.580 for no one. And that's basically my take 0.78
00:02:06.460 on it.
00:02:06.840 okay really quickly uh thank you for that postie um i'm gonna quickly just welcome vanessa and
00:02:17.080 and that's basically my take on it all right so before i hand tim's sword to vanessa who i think
00:02:26.640 is able to wield it deftly and allow her to respond to that i just want to say
00:02:32.580 In order to get into the mind of what Fordy's talking about, look at your own self, your own liberal sensitivities, the things that offend.
00:02:41.380 We talked about how, you know, imagine taking what you know of the world and the way it works and going to some other country and just trying to fit in and do things their way.
00:02:55.060 And not only just do it that way, but believe it, want it, understand the value of it within six to 12 years.
00:03:02.580 be exceptionally difficult it's no different for these people to fit into where to take
00:03:08.740 what they have learned multi-generational multi through multiple generations and put that aside
00:03:14.260 when joining us and expecting them to hold our values as we do to see the world the way we do
00:03:20.900 to treat people the way we do this takes generations to generate this kind of cohesion
00:03:29.460 it's very important to understand you got to put the you got to see it through your own lens
00:03:35.140 in order to understand it vanessa sorry before vanessa goes can i just say something real quick
00:03:40.020 real quick go ahead yeah is that they don't look like us and that's what it comes down to they'll 0.99
00:03:46.420 never be accepted even if it's you know three generations of indians here right it doesn't 0.99
00:03:52.120 matter that they act like us if they act like us it doesn't matter that they follow our laws they 0.99
00:03:56.720 don't look that's the same for any other country like i'm sorry but that you know and civic
00:04:01.120 nationalism is basically anti-white rhetoric as far as i'm concerned like that that's all i just
00:04:06.220 wanted to throw that in there all right no that's that's fair and we will circle back to that
00:04:11.980 rhetoric as far as i'm concerned like like that that's all i just wanted to throw that in there
00:04:16.820 uh posty now here we are in our liberal democracy throughout the west it is kind of
00:04:24.760 the baseline for how our government has worked throughout the West to varying degrees in every
00:04:33.900 nation you can name. So I want to ask you a question. If individuals can be judged or should
00:04:42.360 be judged by social contract, by law, by all these things, by their character, their values,
00:04:48.960 their actions if these are the things that matter why are you so intent on reducing people to their
00:04:56.260 ancestry that mean that you don't like liberal democracy that you don't like democracy well
00:05:04.940 my first thing with democracy is i know i'm not a huge fan of democracy in its current form
00:05:10.560 because you can't have a true democracy without a racially homogenous society so what we think of
00:05:17.120 as a democracy now is not really a democracy um and i i personally am not a big fan of democracy
00:05:24.380 i think that um having a king and stuff like that was probably better for the population at maybe
00:05:30.980 at that time now maybe our current like because of modernity maybe that wouldn't work anymore i i
00:05:37.520 don't know right but i'm not like i said i'm not a huge fan of democracy and that's probably because
00:05:43.160 my whole life, democracy has looked like
00:05:45.260 it does now, which means it's not
00:05:47.140 really a democracy.
00:05:49.880 So you don't think it could
00:05:51.280 work in modernity. It's working
00:05:53.180 quite well in the Eastern Hemisphere
00:05:55.100 and in many ways, I think if we're being
00:05:57.200 honest and we look past our media and you
00:05:59.240 really are geopolitically savvy, you 1.00
00:06:01.260 can say, they're kicking our ass. 1.00
00:06:04.140 They really are. 1.00
00:06:05.800 What's the difference between those nations
00:06:07.240 and ours?
00:06:08.660 They love themselves, we don't.
00:06:11.000 They stick together.
00:06:11.800 They're ethno-nations.
00:06:15.460 Thank you. 0.92
00:06:16.380 Yes, absolutely, they are.
00:06:18.560 And they're very effective.
00:06:20.760 We don't.
00:06:21.740 They stick together.
00:06:23.200 They're ethno-nations.
00:06:26.220 Thank you. 0.92
00:06:27.120 Yes, absolutely, they are.
00:06:29.020 And they're very effective.
00:06:32.560 And they're not also liberal democracies.
00:06:35.240 That's also something to note.
00:06:36.940 Exactly.
00:06:38.260 Yeah.
00:06:38.400 but to say that uh that we can't go back i don't know maybe after we learn enough hard lessons we
00:06:48.280 can yeah maybe we can i i don't know like i find my and this is maybe a little bit slightly off
00:06:54.160 topic but like you mentioned the uk my personal thought is is that the uk is cooked like they're 0.97
00:06:59.440 now for all intents and purposes they're an islamic state so nothing is going to save them 0.97
00:07:04.220 short of like a military style operation like desert storm or something like that's and that's 1.00
00:07:09.020 my true opinion and that's what I fear for for Canada because like I said when you let these 0.97
00:07:13.920 groups take hold and this is why you need to have a racially homogenous society and the other thing 0.98
00:07:18.760 is is why is it just our countries that it's a problem for us to want that like you don't see
00:07:24.940 Russia you know or you don't see North Korea China all these other countries being bullied
00:07:30.520 into accepting diversity so what is it why is it that we can't have every other nation diversity
00:07:37.360 so what is it why is it that we can't have every other nation every other people every other race
00:07:43.300 has a home why can't we have a home well other people will tell you that we do have a home and
00:07:49.580 to go back to it this isn't it right north america is very unique in that argument because we are a
00:07:56.600 colonized continent the whole fucking continent we were not canada who have them actually 0.97
00:08:01.620 we were not canada when the indigenous were running around slaughtering each other in each 0.99
00:08:06.480 other's tribes we were not canada and enslaving each other let's not leave that enslaving each 0.81
00:08:11.160 other yes so i no i mean yeah okay fine you want us to go back to europe and just leave the 0.64
00:08:15.700 indigenous people here okay what are they going to do they don't they didn't build this nation 0.97
00:08:20.620 what are they going to do it's going to go back to the way it was prior they'll be living in 1.00
00:08:24.580 teepees and shit again so okay if that's your that's your argument but then that means everybody 1.00
00:08:29.240 goes back except for the fucking the indians like the native or the feather indians 0.99
00:08:33.560 all right really quickly let's diddy bop over to ppc how you doing things i'm gonna go over to 0.99
00:08:44.460 posty posty i got one quick yeah go ahead um my final comment is well i was gonna ask peter
00:08:54.560 question and i and i'll ask it quickly but i hope hopefully you don't take too much offense to it
00:08:58.680 but whatever please do um yeah it's clear that you don't live in a canadian community because
00:09:04.380 you can barely speak english so and you've been here for 15 years so i just want to say that and
00:09:08.680 also you said you went to japan what wouldn't it have been easier and more culturally beneficial
00:09:15.140 to you to stay in japan they would be more similar to you right so that's that's you don't have to
00:09:19.320 respond. That was just my comment about that. Secondly, I want everybody to think about any
00:09:26.080 society in the sort of diversity. Has there been a society that has had this experiment run
00:09:31.660 successfully? Because if you look at the fall of Rome, this was one of the big things that caused,
00:09:37.460 I mean, it wasn't the only thing, but it was one of the big things that caused the fall of Rome,
00:09:41.560 which was an amazingly great longstanding empire. So I want everybody to take that with them and
00:09:47.680 think about the fact that if you can think of a society that has succeeded and survived long term 0.99
00:09:53.940 with a non-ethnically homogenous population, I would be glad to hear about it. 0.99