postyX - June 24, 2026


Ethno nationalism or Civic Nationalism- Is there a difference and what is better for a nation？

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Angela Pagniello
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Greg Johnson Thomas Sewell Fordy
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In this episode of the podcast, we have a special guest on the show, post-colonialist and anti-racist academic, Tim Fordy. Tim is joined by his wife, Vanessa, to discuss their views on multiculturalism, identity and identity politics.

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00:00:00 question but for now posty welcome to the conversation where do you want to lead us
00:00:03 hello okay so before i give my little thoughts or my monologue on this i want to say i agree with 40
00:00:10 obviously that there is no ethno or civic there is just nationalism you can't come to this country
00:00:16 and say you're a nationalist because you don't belong to this nation you're a resident here
00:00:20 maybe you have citizenship and who says you're welcome here like you mentioned wolf well what
00:00:25 if they you know the government yeah the government gave you paperwork that says you're here but does
00:00:29 the nation the people think you belong here so that's that's my whole thing right and i'm basically
00:00:36 going to take my whole little monologue from a book called loving our own by greg johnson just
00:00:40 because he sums it up a lot better than i can probably articulate uh without saying a lot of
00:00:45 ums and all this kind of stuff so basically nations are extended families right rooted in
00:00:50 blood shared culture shared language like a family the nation offers unconditional belonging
00:00:58 the basis for this belonging is the love of one's own we love other members of our nation because
00:01:05 they are like us and that is further to what fortisac said as well like they look like us
00:01:10 they act like us they're they're like our family right um to use the language of science it's a
00:01:17 called a fellow feeling, which is based on a genetic similarity. And this is from, like I said,
00:01:22 Dr. Johnson, who wrote this book, Dr. Greg Johnson. It follows that multicultural, multiracial
00:01:28 hodgepodge cannot be a genuine nation and cannot inspire the feelings of love and loyalty that we 1.00
00:01:36 find in a racially homogenous nation. The material and psychological well-being of a people require 1.00
00:01:42 safe havens, and that includes a racially homogenous society.
00:01:46 People need sovereign homelands. Ethnostates, he used the word
00:01:50 and this is a right and not a privilege. And I will finish 0.81
00:01:54 with one of the great nationalists of our time
00:01:58 from Australia, Tom Sewell. A nation for everyone is a nation
00:02:02 for no one. And that's basically my take 0.78
00:02:06 on it.
00:02:06 okay really quickly uh thank you for that postie um i'm gonna quickly just welcome vanessa and
00:02:17 and that's basically my take on it all right so before i hand tim's sword to vanessa who i think
00:02:26 is able to wield it deftly and allow her to respond to that i just want to say
00:02:32 In order to get into the mind of what Fordy's talking about, look at your own self, your own liberal sensitivities, the things that offend.
00:02:41 We talked about how, you know, imagine taking what you know of the world and the way it works and going to some other country and just trying to fit in and do things their way.
00:02:55 And not only just do it that way, but believe it, want it, understand the value of it within six to 12 years.
00:03:02 be exceptionally difficult it's no different for these people to fit into where to take
00:03:08 what they have learned multi-generational multi through multiple generations and put that aside
00:03:14 when joining us and expecting them to hold our values as we do to see the world the way we do
00:03:20 to treat people the way we do this takes generations to generate this kind of cohesion
00:03:29 it's very important to understand you got to put the you got to see it through your own lens
00:03:35 in order to understand it vanessa sorry before vanessa goes can i just say something real quick
00:03:40 real quick go ahead yeah is that they don't look like us and that's what it comes down to they'll 0.99
00:03:46 never be accepted even if it's you know three generations of indians here right it doesn't 0.99
00:03:52 matter that they act like us if they act like us it doesn't matter that they follow our laws they 0.99
00:03:56 don't look that's the same for any other country like i'm sorry but that you know and civic
00:04:01 nationalism is basically anti-white rhetoric as far as i'm concerned like that that's all i just
00:04:06 wanted to throw that in there all right no that's that's fair and we will circle back to that
00:04:11 rhetoric as far as i'm concerned like like that that's all i just wanted to throw that in there
00:04:16 uh posty now here we are in our liberal democracy throughout the west it is kind of
00:04:24 the baseline for how our government has worked throughout the West to varying degrees in every
00:04:33 nation you can name. So I want to ask you a question. If individuals can be judged or should
00:04:42 be judged by social contract, by law, by all these things, by their character, their values,
00:04:48 their actions if these are the things that matter why are you so intent on reducing people to their
00:04:56 ancestry that mean that you don't like liberal democracy that you don't like democracy well
00:05:04 my first thing with democracy is i know i'm not a huge fan of democracy in its current form
00:05:10 because you can't have a true democracy without a racially homogenous society so what we think of
00:05:17 as a democracy now is not really a democracy um and i i personally am not a big fan of democracy
00:05:24 i think that um having a king and stuff like that was probably better for the population at maybe
00:05:30 at that time now maybe our current like because of modernity maybe that wouldn't work anymore i i
00:05:37 don't know right but i'm not like i said i'm not a huge fan of democracy and that's probably because
00:05:43 my whole life, democracy has looked like
00:05:45 it does now, which means it's not
00:05:47 really a democracy.
00:05:49 So you don't think it could
00:05:51 work in modernity. It's working
00:05:53 quite well in the Eastern Hemisphere
00:05:55 and in many ways, I think if we're being
00:05:57 honest and we look past our media and you
00:05:59 really are geopolitically savvy, you 1.00
00:06:01 can say, they're kicking our ass. 1.00
00:06:04 They really are. 1.00
00:06:05 What's the difference between those nations
00:06:07 and ours?
00:06:08 They love themselves, we don't.
00:06:11 They stick together.
00:06:11 They're ethno-nations.
00:06:15 Thank you. 0.92
00:06:16 Yes, absolutely, they are.
00:06:18 And they're very effective.
00:06:20 We don't.
00:06:21 They stick together.
00:06:23 They're ethno-nations.
00:06:26 Thank you. 0.92
00:06:27 Yes, absolutely, they are.
00:06:29 And they're very effective.
00:06:32 And they're not also liberal democracies.
00:06:35 That's also something to note.
00:06:36 Exactly.
00:06:38 Yeah.
00:06:38 but to say that uh that we can't go back i don't know maybe after we learn enough hard lessons we
00:06:48 can yeah maybe we can i i don't know like i find my and this is maybe a little bit slightly off
00:06:54 topic but like you mentioned the uk my personal thought is is that the uk is cooked like they're 0.97
00:06:59 now for all intents and purposes they're an islamic state so nothing is going to save them 0.97
00:07:04 short of like a military style operation like desert storm or something like that's and that's 1.00
00:07:09 my true opinion and that's what I fear for for Canada because like I said when you let these 0.97
00:07:13 groups take hold and this is why you need to have a racially homogenous society and the other thing 0.98
00:07:18 is is why is it just our countries that it's a problem for us to want that like you don't see
00:07:24 Russia you know or you don't see North Korea China all these other countries being bullied
00:07:30 into accepting diversity so what is it why is it that we can't have every other nation diversity
00:07:37 so what is it why is it that we can't have every other nation every other people every other race
00:07:43 has a home why can't we have a home well other people will tell you that we do have a home and
00:07:49 to go back to it this isn't it right north america is very unique in that argument because we are a
00:07:56 colonized continent the whole fucking continent we were not canada who have them actually 0.97
00:08:01 we were not canada when the indigenous were running around slaughtering each other in each 0.99
00:08:06 other's tribes we were not canada and enslaving each other let's not leave that enslaving each 0.81
00:08:11 other yes so i no i mean yeah okay fine you want us to go back to europe and just leave the 0.64
00:08:15 indigenous people here okay what are they going to do they don't they didn't build this nation 0.97
00:08:20 what are they going to do it's going to go back to the way it was prior they'll be living in 1.00
00:08:24 teepees and shit again so okay if that's your that's your argument but then that means everybody 1.00
00:08:29 goes back except for the fucking the indians like the native or the feather indians 0.99
00:08:33 all right really quickly let's diddy bop over to ppc how you doing things i'm gonna go over to 0.99
00:08:44 posty posty i got one quick yeah go ahead um my final comment is well i was gonna ask peter
00:08:54 question and i and i'll ask it quickly but i hope hopefully you don't take too much offense to it
00:08:58 but whatever please do um yeah it's clear that you don't live in a canadian community because
00:09:04 you can barely speak english so and you've been here for 15 years so i just want to say that and
00:09:08 also you said you went to japan what wouldn't it have been easier and more culturally beneficial
00:09:15 to you to stay in japan they would be more similar to you right so that's that's you don't have to
00:09:19 respond. That was just my comment about that. Secondly, I want everybody to think about any
00:09:26 society in the sort of diversity. Has there been a society that has had this experiment run
00:09:31 successfully? Because if you look at the fall of Rome, this was one of the big things that caused,
00:09:37 I mean, it wasn't the only thing, but it was one of the big things that caused the fall of Rome,
00:09:41 which was an amazingly great longstanding empire. So I want everybody to take that with them and
00:09:47 think about the fact that if you can think of a society that has succeeded and survived long term 0.99
00:09:53 with a non-ethnically homogenous population, I would be glad to hear about it. 0.99