postyX - ICYMI： Replay of our Interview with Blair Cottrell

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Thank you.

00:01:00.000 Hello, Mr. Cottrell. Welcome to a Canadian space.

00:01:05.440 Thank you. I think this is the first Canadian space I've ever joined. So thanks very much

00:01:14.320 for welcoming me.

00:01:15.440 Well, we're making the Commonwealth great again. That's right.

00:01:19.260 Right. Oh, yeah. Canada is part of the Commonwealth, isn't it?

00:01:23.020 Yeah. I mean, and posties in space is a lot because that's how you guys met. And well,

00:01:29.780 I am too. Like, let's, let's not pretend. But, you know, that's one thing is she was saying

00:01:36.020 like, like, Aussies are my people. You know, they're my people, man. We have a thing. We

00:01:41.860 have a common, common values, common interests, common history, common heritage. We have common

00:01:48.100 problems. We're facing the common enemy. We have a lot in common right now.

00:01:53.580 I wish Australians liked themselves as much as everybody else seems to like them.

00:01:59.580 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we always, we always want what we aren't, you know, or we

00:02:04.320 always want what we can't have that kind of thing. So, but the Aussies are based, man.

00:02:08.460 They're the, out of all the people I've spoken to on this app and in real life, the Aussies

00:02:12.820 are definitely the most base. So I got to give you credit for that.

00:02:15.520 Yeah. There's, um, there's not as many of us down here. So I think anyone who gets into

00:02:22.580 nationalism finds one another pretty quickly. And there's a more consolidated series of activists

00:02:29.420 and influences down here, because as I said, the population is just not as great as it is

00:02:34.900 in any other Western country. Uh, and I've been in the game or in activism and, uh, what would

00:02:43.820 you call it? Commentary, public speaking influence. I've been doing it for about 10 years now.

00:02:50.180 And currently what we're witnessing is a similar sort of similar, but not the same state of

00:02:58.600 circumstances where we have opportunity to really make waves and hammer our message home,

00:03:03.700 influence a great deal of people. The last time this opportunity came around was around 2015

00:03:08.180 during, uh, the particular disdain people seem to have for Islamic immigration around that period.

00:03:16.460 This time around, it's a little different. Uh, it really hasn't cycled back to the start. It's

00:03:21.660 spiraled and, you know, history tends to do that. We don't really cycle and experience the exact same

00:03:26.740 thing. We spiral and experience similar periods in time with their own trimmings and circumstances,

00:03:32.580 which are always unique and advantageous to us in some way. So yeah, it's interesting times. We have

00:03:38.500 a lot of opportunity to get the message out, a lot more free speech available to us than what we've

00:03:43.240 had for the past five or six years. And, uh, luckily it's that the message is much more, um,

00:03:49.460 fundamentally nationalist. Now we're able to push a more fundamentally nationalist message

00:03:53.840 without worrying about upsetting people. We don't have to pertain to the anti-Islam message.

00:03:59.460 We can go a bit further and that's exciting. That's actually, actually, I was going to ask

00:04:05.160 you about that. So it's great that you started off with that. I was going to get you to give a

00:04:08.400 little summary of, you know, how you kind of got into this. Cause I'm sure you've told this story

00:04:11.620 a million times before. So, um, but yeah, that's awesome. Being anti-Islam is so passe now, right?

00:04:17.880 Like everyone's anti-Islam and you were like blazing trail. I see Ferry down there. Ferry,

00:04:24.080 I don't know if you're still wrestling Jeets. Oh, he's up. Yeah. I gave him a, or I sent one,

00:04:28.880 but I don't know if it's working with me. So. Hello, Mr. Ferryman. Hi, dear. Welcome.

00:04:38.440 Hello. How's it going? Yeah. Super good. So Blair, do you want to maybe base? Do you want

00:04:44.040 to tell Blair or Ferry can tell himself? Ferry is, uh, you know, if you don't know Blair,

00:04:48.740 you probably already know, but he's, uh, uh, presence, a Canadian nationalist, large presence,

00:04:54.920 but Ferry, you can, or what do you call it? Introduce yourself. Blair and I have spoken

00:04:59.620 once on a Twitter space, but yeah, obviously I've spoken with his podcast co-host multiple

00:05:07.580 times now. So I'm obviously familiar with Blair probably more so than he is with me, but that's

00:05:13.620 okay. Cause Blair has been doing this a lot longer than I have. So.

00:05:16.480 Yeah. But I really appreciate you here, man. Appreciate your support. You've got a respected

00:05:26.740 reputation within the community, a big platform. And I've seen the ferryman's toll pop up across

00:05:32.700 X and telegram for years now. So I really appreciate you being here, but who wants to begin with the

00:05:39.060 whole origin story? How do we begin? How do we start? Is that how we're going to start the space

00:05:44.140 off? How do you want to roll? Well, yeah, I, I, if you can hear me, I definitely, well,

00:05:49.900 that's when you can, okay. You first came onto my radar back in 2009 ish. And many of the listeners

00:05:57.840 here were just little babies in diapers, but in 2009, I remember it would have been, it would

00:06:05.480 have been 2019, 2019, right? 2009. When you were cutting heads off, uh, jeets or, I'm sorry,

00:06:13.400 not jeets. The Muslims, it was the Muslims, right. Officially I've never cut anyone's head

00:06:19.400 off. It was a dumb, it was a, it was a dummy. Technically. Yeah, of course. Okay. I'm not

00:06:26.040 explaining this well at all. I'll get over my stammering shortly. Um, we're bringing Joey

00:06:31.420 up, Joey. Welcome. She's also an Australian and, um, she's part of the posse that we love

00:06:38.640 so much. Um, we'll see if we can bring her up and she'll help co-host and help us manage.

00:06:43.840 And I think Joey's spoken to you. Yeah. We're going to keep it closed. My story. And I think

00:06:47.100 Joey's probably spoken to you before Blair, you probably will. You may remember or recognize

00:06:51.220 her when she comes up, but, uh, she knows. Yeah. Yeah. Love Joey. Yeah. There you go.

00:06:56.640 There you go, Joey. So, and then we're going to keep it closed Mike for a bit. Cause I don't

00:07:00.820 know how long, much time you have Blair. And I don't want to get a bunch of, you know,

00:07:03.960 just kind of, I want you to be able to just explain, you know, without any kind of pressure.

00:07:08.840 So we can go to hands after if we have time. Yeah. And Joey and I have raided Indian spaces

00:07:15.900 together before. She's an amazing teammate when we have to go tell the Indians to go back.

00:07:22.780 So we'll try and bring her up there, but let's talk about your origin story. Let's do that. Blair,

00:07:28.240 you have the floor. All right. I'll summarize as much as possible, uh, because it's a long

00:07:36.660 sort of a story. And that's the problem with origin stories. First of all, I don't really

00:07:41.000 like talking about myself that much to begin with, but if you do fail to summarize them

00:07:47.420 effectively, you can kind of start rambling about details that don't really matter so much

00:07:51.680 because you get into a bit of a, uh, you know, you get into the history of all the ins and outs of

00:07:58.760 what brought you to where you are. And it's, it's better to just skim over it like a flat rock skimming

00:08:04.380 over the surface of a lake to give people a general picture. So that's what I'll try to do now.

00:08:08.880 Uh, I'm a somewhat of an unusual case because I didn't have any education at all. Uh, I got

00:08:16.440 frequently suspended from a public high school, uh, had a good family, you know, like had a good

00:08:22.840 father and a mother who both worked, but, uh, I was pulled out of school early, started an

00:08:29.560 apprenticeship with my uncle, my father's youngest brother. He was a residential builder and I was,

00:08:34.680 I was an apprentice carpenter, but I wasn't really taught any carpentry. I had to learn carpentry

00:08:38.600 after my apprenticeship. I was just kind of used for labor purposes and wasn't treated very well.

00:08:44.880 So I didn't, uh, I developed good work ethic, but not really a good, uh, relationship with

00:08:51.160 working generally, but I did work hard. Uh, I had a chip on my shoulder though, because of the way I

00:08:57.060 was treated. So, uh, I started staying out late and hanging around with some bad people and getting

00:09:03.520 into street fights and so forth. My mom was really upset about that because I would come home and half

00:09:08.540 my head would be swollen and my eye would be like completely closed over from receiving punches in the

00:09:13.940 face. I don't know why I was doing this, to be honest. It was, uh, just a way to express frustration

00:09:19.280 and, you know, dominance over the local community, I suppose. Uh, but then, uh, I had this girlfriend

00:09:27.360 at the time who I liked very much. She cheats on me. I find out who she's cheating on me with,

00:09:32.040 and I set the guy's house on fire. So I land myself in jail and I do about a year and a half,

00:09:36.940 just over a year and a half in jail in a maximum security prison called Port Phillip prison in

00:09:41.960 Australia, where for the first time in my life, I learned some real Australian history.

00:09:45.680 You don't really learn Australian history in Australian schooling. You learn it when you go

00:09:48.820 to jail. The reason for that is all the units in the prison are named after the ships in the first

00:09:53.560 fleet, like Borrowdale, Fishburne, Pennine, Sirius. And I came to realize that that's, those were the

00:10:00.700 names of the ships that first arrived to Australia during the colonization, the British colonization.

00:10:05.720 So I got some education there, but the real education I had in jail was from one particular book

00:10:10.500 called Mein Kampf. I did buy this book before I went to prison because I saw it on a random,

00:10:16.240 you know, shelf in some weird bookstore North of Melbourne while I was working in the city,

00:10:21.480 but I never really got the chance to fully read it until I went to jail. Uh, in jail, I got the chance

00:10:28.300 to truly delve into that book and fully understand its, uh, its essence and even how it might apply to,

00:10:35.220 uh, modern day Australia. I realized that German national socialism was very much

00:10:40.460 a German phenomenon and was a result of the personality of Adolf Hitler. So I was under no

00:10:47.840 illusions about national socialism in its original form ever coming back. But I did believe that

00:10:54.780 a brand of Australian nationalism was both necessary for the survival of our country and possible

00:11:02.780 because I saw what was happening in prison. It was very much the same as what was happening in

00:11:06.660 society. The community was being taken over by ethnic gangs and sort of groups, different races,

00:11:14.000 Arabs, black people, Maoris, all different sorts of people who are being, who are coming into the

00:11:18.800 country in mass. I witnessed that a bit of that as well during my street fighting days, the most

00:11:24.620 beef and the, some of the most, most, most dangerous fights that I was in involved characters from

00:11:31.140 other races. And there was a lot more honor amongst the white boys when we would fight.

00:11:35.460 If you fell to the ground, for example, you wouldn't be kicked and stomped in the head until

00:11:40.480 you were almost dead. Like when you would fall to the ground, people would stop hitting you. But

00:11:45.200 that wasn't the case when you were fighting with Africans. But, uh, anyway, I come out of prison

00:11:52.380 with this whole new perspective of reality. Oh my God. The guy they taught, told me about, uh, that they

00:12:00.760 taught me about rather in history, this genocidal madman, Adolf Hitler actually had a really good

00:12:06.780 point. And his whole philosophy is actually, uh, it seems like the best possible philosophy that any

00:12:13.340 country could adopt on a government level. And I've got to tell everyone about it, right? I come out of

00:12:18.480 jail at 22 with this new knowledge and I start trying to tell everybody about it. I have this

00:12:22.540 new girlfriend and she takes me to a family dinner and I just tell everyone about how Hitler was right.

00:12:26.560 Hitler was the good guy and everyone's been lied to. You're all stupid. You've all been tricked.

00:12:30.340 You've got to read Mein Kampf. Everyone has to read Mein Kampf. He couldn't take me anywhere,

00:12:33.700 right? So, um, a couple of years go by and I start to realize that shilling Hitler's book isn't

00:12:40.960 really working. No one's reading it despite my, uh, my recommendations. So, uh, I noticed this

00:12:48.000 whole new phenomenon passes by called Reclaim Australia. Mostly it's a group of Facebook

00:12:53.480 moms that are dissatisfied with Islamic immigration as a result of some incidents. Uh, one that

00:13:00.080 sparked it was called the Lind Cafe siege in Australia where a Muslim character took over

00:13:05.380 a Lind Cafe somewhere and he, you know, an armed response unit from either police or military

00:13:10.740 or both, I'm not sure, had to engage him in order to get him out of there and stop him

00:13:15.080 from killing people. And this triggered the Reclaim Australia movement, which didn't last

00:13:19.140 very long, but I used that as an opportunity to see if people were receptive to public speaking.

00:13:24.540 I gave my first public speech at a Reclaim Australia rally in April of 2015, where I also

00:13:29.940 met Tom Sewell for the first time. Uh, we kind of linked up on Facebook. He noticed that I

00:13:36.000 was talking about the rally. He'd heard about it and he wanted to go down to see what would

00:13:39.520 happen. I told him I was going to give a speech. He filmed me giving that speech and that

00:13:43.580 was the first time we met and we really bonded from then on. And we ended up with United Patriots

00:13:50.420 Fronts, which ended up being the most popular group very shortly after we started it. And

00:13:57.040 that's how we put ourselves on the map originally. But, uh, the, the goal was to sort of ride the

00:14:02.760 wave of this anti-Islam sentiment and culture and use it as a means for, uh, forcing onto the

00:14:11.780 people, a more nationalist perspective to have people understanding that the only reason we

00:14:16.660 have a problem with Muslim immigration in the first place is because we have corrupt

00:14:20.020 institutions and multiculturalism or, you know, the whole diversity agenda is a deliberate effort

00:14:25.940 to annihilate our nationality, that we need to completely strip from the institutions, everyone

00:14:32.400 who is hostile to our country and have a fully nationalized Australia once more. And, uh, that

00:14:38.980 was the kind of message that I was lacing into my content throughout those years. But then

00:14:43.880 Christchurch happens. Brenton Tarrant apparently shoots all these Muslims in this mosque and

00:14:48.640 the censorship hammer comes down hard in Australia. Suddenly I'm banned from everything. And I'm

00:14:53.660 also getting criminal charges for hate speech in relation to a protest that we did where we

00:14:58.000 cut a dummy's head off. We made a dummy out of pillows and cut its head off in an Islamic

00:15:02.020 style beheading. Seemed like an all right idea at the time because there were leftists,

00:15:06.120 you know, defiling Jesus effigies and cutting down crucifixes. So I thought it was within

00:15:10.780 the realm of what was acceptable and what was happening around the world, but not according

00:15:14.820 to the department of public prosecutions down here in Victoria, Australia, they thought it

00:15:19.180 was hate speech or the exact wording of the charge I got was intent to incite ridicule of

00:15:25.620 a specific class of people, namely Muslims in a Facebook post. I tried fighting that charge

00:15:31.200 for a few years and it kept me really busy. It wasted my time and my money, really my money

00:15:35.680 and the money that people donated to me to try to fight it. But I wasn't able to actually

00:15:40.520 take it all the way. I wanted to keep fighting it as long as possible to eventually get to

00:15:44.420 the high court so I could get out of the state courts, uh, tied up in this hooked net of the

00:15:50.380 justice system down here in Australia. I was for a few years with this, but then they just

00:15:53.720 closed my bank account. And by they, I suppose, I mean someone from some aspect of government

00:15:58.900 put pressure on the bank to close my bank accounts, not just one, but two different accounts.

00:16:04.360 Uh, one was personal and one was, I was using to, um, to raise funds for my, uh, my legal battle

00:16:11.520 at the time, but I wasn't able to continue to pay my lawyer or the court fees to get to

00:16:15.740 the high court because they just shut me down. No finances, no banking, no Facebook. I couldn't

00:16:20.540 keep people updated about what was happening in the courts because I was deleted from Facebook,

00:16:24.800 Twitter, Instagram. When TikTok came out, they banned me from that straight away as well.

00:16:31.140 And, uh, yeah, I don't know anybody in Australia who experienced censorship that heavy at the time.

00:16:36.880 It was very targeted and it was impossible for me to, um, to actually continue fighting that charge

00:16:44.000 in the courts. So I was convicted of it. It's still a conviction I'm wearing today.

00:16:47.260 And since then I've been just kind of biding my time, I suppose in, um, exile, so to speak in some

00:16:55.880 form of internet exile, which I'm emerging from now because as a result of Elon Musk buying Twitter

00:17:01.960 and allowing some form of free expression, I'm somewhat back on the scene and there's some

00:17:07.320 exciting developments. We've got a huge Australia day celebration down here, uh, next weekend on Sunday,

00:17:13.160 the 26th of January, which is the standard day on which we celebrate Australia day and, uh, recognize

00:17:19.240 our identity as Australians and how our, how our country was formed, which obviously as a nationalist,

00:17:23.900 that's very important to me. And that's kind of the whole thing. I hope I summarized that relatively

00:17:29.120 well. Um, yeah, if you've got any questions or anything, feel free to ask.

00:17:34.960 I just shared the post you put up for the Australia day, um, in the nest. So if anybody wants to see

00:17:40.200 that, what you were just, uh, referencing. So I don't know, base, did you want to, or Joey,

00:17:45.940 did you want to ask Blair something? Yeah. Come on in, Joey. Welcome Jojo. Hey.

00:17:55.260 Hi, Blair. I've heard the

00:17:57.140 didn't really want to make him go further. I think he covered it really smoothly, like he said.

00:18:05.140 Um, so yeah, I don't have any questions. Hey Blair, how are you?

00:18:10.600 I'm good. I'm glad people don't have too many questions because really I'm not that special.

00:18:14.260 I'm just a guy. I'm just a guy, a regular guy from the working suburbs who happened to read

00:18:20.200 Mein Kampf at a young age. And, you know, I, I saw the change in culture, but I didn't understand what

00:18:26.120 was happening to my country until I read Mein Kampf, until I read the perspective of, you know, Adolf Hitler

00:18:32.320 understood what national socialism was. Then my whole perspective of world war two started to

00:18:37.020 change. And then I found more information about, you know, the quote unquote Holocaust. I saw some

00:18:42.600 clips put together by William Luther Pierce. And I started to understand what the point of life was.

00:18:49.020 Uh, the point of life of my existence was to contribute to my ethnic collective and to make sure that

00:18:54.120 my race had a future. And I started to fully believe that. And I realized that that was probably,

00:19:00.440 there was no greater purpose besides having my own children. There was no greater purpose than

00:19:04.440 contributing to some sort of greater protection for my race. Right. So I'm just a guy, I'm just

00:19:09.680 a guy who figured that out. Um, so now here I am. So, well, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, babe. Um,

00:19:18.140 we'd like to welcome ASIO and CSIS who are listening in the anonymous listeners down there. And so you just

00:19:26.140 want to say hi to them and if they want to come up, take a mic, um, they're more than welcome. They

00:19:30.840 can, uh, conduct an interview up here on stage with all of us because the ferry has officers that

00:19:36.700 follow him around. I probably have one or two that quite like me. And, um, I'm sure Blair, you have

00:19:42.400 some who follow you. When you say, when you say you have officers to follow you around, are there

00:19:48.860 actually physical people following you? Is that what you mean? No, but they're in,

00:19:52.280 they're in the Twitter spaces, right? Like CSIS, uh, the Canadian search by agency has made it clear

00:19:58.960 security intelligence services is what it stands for, but yeah, that's right. And there, they do

00:20:05.020 make it clear that they are going to infiltrate right wing, um, spaces organizations. And so we just

00:20:12.880 assume that they're there with us all the time. And especially someone like the ferryman, they're

00:20:18.100 following him into all of his live streams and they're following him wherever he goes. And no

00:20:23.640 doubt you have some that have been assigned to you and they follow you wherever you go. Whenever

00:20:28.180 you speak, whenever you're doing a podcast, a stream, they're there listening. It's actually

00:20:33.340 making a bit of a, she's making a bit of a joke here. I know I'm sure you get it Blair, but

00:20:37.140 this is a misnomer. They're, they're way more lazy than that. They don't even do that anymore.

00:20:43.900 They use AI generated transcripts and then they keyword search for anything in particular that

00:20:50.580 they think they might need to, you know, keep tabs on. So they don't, they don't even do the

00:20:55.540 actual sit down and listen anymore. They're too lazy and too fat to do that.

00:21:02.100 It's too lesbian, I suppose too. We've had a few in spaces where you can pick them out straight

00:21:08.340 away if they grab a mic. I'm sure, uh, based on post you've experienced that as well.

00:21:14.900 Yeah, we just try to keep it to people we know, but, um, I guess I, you know, but, uh, I had,

00:21:21.760 I guess a question Blair, if you don't mind, I know I read in some of the articles they wrote about

00:21:25.940 you, um, in the past and how, when you were leading the United Patriot front that they're,

00:21:30.780 well, again, these articles are probably biased to be, you know, slander you or make you look bad,

00:21:35.020 but, uh, they talked about the fracturing of those organizations and what happens when there's a lot

00:21:40.300 of infighting. And I see that myself, I'm sure other people see that on in the online space,

00:21:45.180 which is par for the course when you're online. But how do you, you know, figure you prevent that

00:21:50.920 in IRL? Like when you guys get organizations together, how do you prevent that kind of

00:21:54.640 infighting and fracturing of it? Because we're not going to get anywhere, right? If we, if we keep

00:21:58.520 fracturing into smaller groups.

00:22:01.080 It's pretty easy. You just keep meeting up in person because there's this, uh, it's not really

00:22:09.120 a strange, it's a really obvious phenomena. When men are actually in the company physically of other

00:22:14.440 men, they treat each other with respect because if they don't, well, someone's going to break your

00:22:18.720 jaw or something. But the internet like brings out the worst in people because you get to sit in the

00:22:24.040 safety of your bedroom or your study and say whatever you want without consequence. It does have

00:22:28.360 consequence later, maybe in the form of, you know, as you described fracturing and people not liking

00:22:34.820 each other. But, uh, I think those physical meetups, getting everyone in the same room on a pretty

00:22:41.700 regular basis, it keeps everyone honest and it keeps everybody respectful. It's funny though, because

00:22:46.820 the internet does have that sort of effect where everyone's angry at each, angrier rather, at each

00:22:51.800 other online than they are when they're in a room together. You get everyone in a room together and

00:22:56.240 suddenly everyone's friends again. So it's just those physical meetups that I think, uh, make a

00:23:02.420 real difference. So you've got to remember that the internet's not a real world. It's a false reality

00:23:07.540 and, uh, you can get too carried away in that false reality. Sometimes you, you will notice too,

00:23:14.760 that when people post online, you can often be surprised by what they're saying, especially if you

00:23:22.000 know that person in real life, because you, you'll think to yourself, hang on, this seems like a

00:23:26.320 totally different person to the person I know in reality. And I think that's because a person's ego

00:23:32.960 comes to the forefront when they're on the internet. It's probably got something to do with that lack

00:23:39.220 of consequence or feeling a little bit secure, feeling like they can speak their mind because

00:23:44.940 there's going to be less repercussion for it. Maybe, I don't know. I don't know what it is. All I know

00:23:50.100 is that it's the internet that makes that infighting more serious than it needs to be. And it's often

00:23:55.240 about petty stuff as well, isn't it? It's often about someone being dissatisfied on a personal

00:24:01.080 level with somebody else. And I've never gone to that kind of stuff.

00:24:05.640 A lot of it's purity spiraling. And Ferryman can probably talk about this.

00:24:08.760 This is where I draw the distinction. I don't view, with very few exceptions, do I even consider

00:24:15.480 online squabbles to be infighting? If it's two men or personalities that are public-facing that have

00:24:23.600 legitimate organizations behind them or some kind of movement that they're actually the head of and

00:24:29.080 they manage and they're a real person, that's different. When you have two personalities like

00:24:34.280 that clashing, that is damaging because it forces people to take sides and creates all this animosity

00:24:41.560 that doesn't necessarily need to be there. However, that's very rare. It's very rare that

00:24:45.620 two people who are actually engaged in the process, you know, engage in that kind of public attack on

00:24:51.380 one another because they both inherently understand the bigger picture. If they're engaged in that

00:24:56.500 process, they've kind of figured it out. So like, it's very rare that you'll see a Thomas Russo in a

00:25:02.900 public squabble with a Thomas Sewell or something like that. It just doesn't happen.

00:25:07.020 Um, however, what you do see all the time is two anonymous idiots in the comment section,

00:25:12.780 uh, calling each other, all kinds of ridiculous names, fighting over religion, fighting over,

00:25:18.120 you know, some kind of whatever is the cause du jour. And that's not infighting. That's just

00:25:23.120 two anonymous idiots arguing on the internet and people get invested in these anonymous personalities

00:25:29.220 much more than they should. And don't realize that like this, this person is just because they have

00:25:34.760 a lot of Twitter followers or because, you know, you, you see them a lot in Twitter spaces,

00:25:39.140 that doesn't mean that they're actually anybody who's leading anything. They're just talking shit

00:25:43.700 most of the time. So being able to draw the distinction between online drama and actual

00:25:48.700 infighting is important. The best way to deal with the online drama is to just, just ignore it

00:25:53.660 because that's all it is. It's just, if you ignore it for a couple of days, it goes away.

00:25:57.800 Simple as it's easier to ignore. If you remember what your, your job is to, as a dissident on X or

00:26:06.980 some platform, you're trying to persuade people. You're trying to persuade people who aren't already

00:26:10.760 persuaded. You're trying to create content propaganda. You're not there, uh, for your own

00:26:16.620 personal, you know, egotistical reputation gain or something like that. It's not about what people

00:26:21.540 are saying about you. I mean, if someone like Thomas Rousseau, for example, jumped into the comments

00:26:26.320 of the last video I made and said, this is shit, Blair, you're a piece of shit. Fuck you.

00:26:30.260 I wouldn't even respond. I wouldn't care. Like, why would I, why would I care about that? I'm not

00:26:34.840 there to argue the merits of my personal qualities to Thomas Rousseau or somebody else who's got a big

00:26:41.180 name. And so he wouldn't do that anyway, obviously. But what I'm saying is my job is to persuade people.

00:26:46.620 My job is to get people to events and get people thinking about nationalism. It's not to argue.

00:26:52.140 Sometimes if someone's accusing me of lying or misleading people with some of my content,

00:26:58.600 then I might, uh, reply to that specifically just to prove to anyone who might see it,

00:27:04.100 that I'm not lying and here's my sources, but that's not really arguing. I don't,

00:27:08.160 I don't waste time arguing. I've written a post about why I think arguing is a waste of time because

00:27:13.180 when you argue, it's kind of like an aggressive attack against the person's subconscious and the

00:27:18.820 walls go up. When you do that, you can't actually persuade people by arguing with them. It makes

00:27:23.520 them even more stubbornly convinced of what they thought was right before. There's no point in

00:27:27.860 arguing. Actually arguing with people online is kind of like taking drugs in jail. There's this

00:27:33.880 class of people in jail that just take drugs. That's all they do. And they get into fights about

00:27:38.800 who owes what to who, because they're all in debt to each other over the drugs. And that's what prison

00:27:43.220 politics is. Right. And the internet's kind of the same in a way it's like arguing and strong

00:27:49.200 religious beliefs and quarrels are kind of the, the, the, uh, it's kind of the same thing. It's

00:27:55.520 like, it's really easy to stay out of like when you're on the internet, similarly to when you're

00:28:00.180 in prison, you're in a stupid place surrounded by stupid people. So don't do what everyone else is

00:28:05.340 doing. Don't just argue, realize that you can easily stay out of that stuff and, you know,

00:28:10.160 save a bit of your time and your soul in the process. No, I agree a hundred percent. I'm just

00:28:15.980 thinking like, I was just, I guess thinking from the con or from the view of maybe a younger male,

00:28:21.320 you know what I mean? I know men don't tend to get into the drama too much, although sometimes

00:28:24.740 online they do. Um, but yeah, I'm just thinking in terms of like younger males, young men, I reckon

00:28:31.200 young men or undeveloped men will go for drama all the time because, and it's a natural thing too,

00:28:36.760 when someone challenges you, when they say something that it's, it's meant to insult you,

00:28:41.720 then the normal male response is to bury that person, right? You crush the person who's challenging

00:28:48.520 you. And if you don't do that, you feel internally, perhaps like you're a coward, you're weak. You feel

00:28:53.620 crushed internally by your, your lack of response. But you know, when you, when you grow up a little

00:28:59.440 bit, you start to realize that that saying he who conquers you. So he, he, who angers you,

00:29:04.500 it conquers you. You don't want to be so reactive to the words of people. They're just words,

00:29:10.360 they're words on a screen, they're noise out in the atmosphere. And you don't need to be so easily

00:29:14.440 controlled and moved by those things. Like I said, we've got a job, just focus on your job,

00:29:18.640 which is to be persuasive, to propagate a message, not to argue with people.

00:29:26.340 Yeah. One of the wise things Ferry once shared with me is stay the hell out of group chats too. And so

00:29:31.940 I've, I've taken that, I've taken that to heart. And every time I get scooped into a group chat,

00:29:37.380 I'm like, boink, I just jump out. Cause there's like, it's so true. That's so true. I'm not,

00:29:43.940 I'm in group chats, but I don't look at, I barely look at them. I barely look at them because

00:29:49.320 I'm not trying to, I already know what I believe. And the only reason I would observe any group chat

00:29:55.680 that I'm in is to get ideas about how I can make some new content or something like that. But

00:30:01.680 you got to look at where your energy is going. If your energy is going to just like arguing about

00:30:07.000 small details of the philosophy with other people who are already for the most part allies, it's,

00:30:12.180 it's like, that's kind of not worth it to me. I'd rather persuade tens of thousands or hundreds

00:30:16.840 of thousands of people over to nationalism who haven't previously been exposed to that message.

00:30:21.120 I think that's more impactful and effective. And if you're not actually making content like that,

00:30:26.320 then, you know, there's intermediate roles where you can be involved in the propagation of that

00:30:30.040 content, help people receive that content. So, you know, where, where's your energy going,

00:30:34.860 right? That's, that's the point of what I'm saying, I guess.

00:30:38.360 Yeah, a hundred percent. And, you know, and I think it's very feminine in what it does is,

00:30:44.300 um, group chats, a lot of it, when, when it really gets cooking, you know, it's meant

00:30:48.760 to do reputational damage to others, right? So it's start the rumors, spread the rumor.

00:30:54.740 It festers like a, an abscess in a group chat. And then it goes out online and like,

00:31:00.780 oh my God, have you heard about this person? They're a tranny. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:31:04.340 And it just like, that's how, and that's how that sausage gets me.

00:31:07.980 Well, and it discredits the movement.

00:31:09.460 This is where I would clarify here is I'm not opposed to group chats inherently.

00:31:14.800 What I am opposed to is people creating these big catch-all kind of like, um, amplification

00:31:23.800 networks for, for themselves through in particular, Twitter group chats are bad for this and they

00:31:29.840 are drama machines. Um, the, the problem I find with group chats is as you know, Blair was

00:31:35.880 kind of alluding to this is a lot of times they're not being used constructively. So, you

00:31:40.680 know, for most people know, I'm not a huge fan of say like the gripers, but one thing

00:31:45.740 they do very well through their discord servers is they channel their message and they get

00:31:51.860 everybody on board with the same talking points. And then they go out and they target, um, you

00:31:57.380 know, conservative influencers or politicians or stuff like that. This is a constructive use

00:32:03.240 of, of online activism that we need to get better at, particularly, um, with, with

00:32:09.120 this coming confrontation between nationalists and conservatives. That's going to really,

00:32:14.220 I think it's really going to heat up in the next few months. So being able to channel people

00:32:18.780 is one thing, but, uh, unfortunately, you know, people as Blair kind of touched on is like

00:32:24.720 their, their ego comes to the forefront. It becomes about, um, you know, how do I get

00:32:29.240 more followers? How do I get more clicks views? How do I persuade somebody that I'm better

00:32:35.080 than this person, as opposed to actually focusing on, uh, propagating the message.

00:32:40.120 So, um, like, again, like it's not that there are probably, I'm in a ton of group chats, but

00:32:46.020 it's all my, it's all the boys, right. It's all for, for constructive purposes. And I only

00:32:50.680 go in there as Blair said, whenever, you know, you have something constructive that you want

00:32:54.120 to do with them. So, um, this is something that we need to like, obviously the, the IRL activism

00:33:00.580 is good. Um, and it's, it's important, like it, it's the thing that we're lacking the most,

00:33:05.800 but another thing that I, I think we do need to work on generally is using the online, um,

00:33:14.220 you know, uh, space to, in a more constructive way, as opposed to like, you know, things like

00:33:21.720 this are good where we sit around and talk, but, um, you know, there should be a lot more

00:33:26.000 of this being directed at how do we go on the attack? Like, how do we, um, you know,

00:33:30.560 use our collective strength to start, uh, subverting conservative messaging or influencing,

00:33:38.380 you know, a, a, a certain discussion that's going on in, in the wider discourse. Um, that

00:33:44.360 kind of online activism is incredibly powerful. And again, there's no better example of it than

00:33:48.500 the Groypers, whatever you think of them, they're, they're very good at it. And it has allowed

00:33:52.460 them to inject themselves in conversations that they otherwise would have no business in. So

00:33:57.480 yeah, the online, we, we need to work on that as well as the, the IRL.

00:34:03.700 What do you guys think about public facing? Sorry, just one second. Oh, I just wanted to talk about

00:34:09.340 the group chats, but yeah, go. Well, yeah, this ties into it. And, and, um, I guess when we're

00:34:17.600 dealing with so many anonymous people online, um, and there's less concerns about, well, you know,

00:34:24.780 no one knows who I am and versus the people who actually use their real names, you know,

00:34:30.020 Ferry's public facing, Blair's public facing. I see Derek in here, Zach, Frank, there's public

00:34:35.980 facing people in this space. I've been, people know who I am as well. So, you know, I wonder if

00:34:42.620 the fact that your real name and your real face is attached to your profile has an impact on your

00:34:49.540 behavior in these spaces, right? People ultimately know where you live as it were.

00:34:56.580 It definitely would, but it's all about ego and what is ego? Can somebody chime in and give me

00:35:03.360 their perspective on that? What do you think ego is?

00:35:07.480 I think Joey might be able to answer that. Joey?

00:35:10.840 Go, Joe. Oh, I don't really, uh, know how to define it at this point. I think it's, um, it's,

00:35:19.420 it's your sense of self importance, obviously. Um, but also it's tied into pride and some other

00:35:29.420 negative, uh, basis of our personality, if that makes sense. It's very prideful.

00:35:36.260 How would you, um, how would you say you identify your ego? If your ego is going to pop up, what are

00:35:43.600 some of the, what are some of the ways you could understand that? Okay. I'm being driven by my

00:35:47.780 ego right now. Okay. I think the emotions rule the ego. So I think when you get emotionally out of

00:35:55.680 control, your ego can start driving. That makes sense. But Ferry was going to speak. So I'll jump in.

00:36:01.420 I was just going to, uh, the way I understand it is ego is the way that you perceive others

00:36:10.060 perceiving you. And so when you feel that others are perceiving you in a negative light,

00:36:14.340 um, this is where you will have this kind of egotistical response where you want to shape

00:36:20.420 the way that other people are viewing you. And so you act in a way that you otherwise wouldn't

00:36:25.000 in an attempt to elicit a certain response, um, you know, from them, you're trying to shape how

00:36:30.340 other people view you in a, in a positive light and, and, you know, investing emotional energy

00:36:35.640 into that, uh, perception. So, yeah, well, I don't know if it's a textbook definition, but that's just

00:36:43.320 ego is fear. It's all fear, fear of what people think of you, fear of what people are saying about

00:36:49.840 you, fear of appearing dumb, fear of being embarrassed. It's all fear, fear of not being

00:36:55.960 good enough stems into narcissism a little bit, but a good way to identify your ego is if you find

00:37:04.120 yourself talking to yourself, whispering to yourself over and over again about something,

00:37:08.600 if you hear that voice in your head repeating to you that this person's a problem, that you need to

00:37:15.040 kick back against this person, this person's humiliating, this person's embarrassing you,

00:37:18.700 you need to do something about this, that kind of thing. I need to do something about this. Often

00:37:22.020 these thought processes will be centered around the term I and what your ego is doing there.

00:37:28.160 And this is a really good perspective. I, I got it from a Guy Ritchie film revolver,

00:37:32.000 which I think is a really underrated film. The message in it is certainly underrated.

00:37:36.980 The ego tries to disguise itself as your own inner perception. And it's often not,

00:37:41.440 if you can separate your own inner perception from your ego, you'll be amazed at what you can achieve.

00:37:47.120 And you'll start to understand what's worth your time and what's not. So often the ego,

00:37:52.440 the voice in your head that you're hearing, that's compelling you to fight back against people that

00:37:57.380 are just going to waste your time. That's telling you to be afraid. That's telling you that you're a

00:38:03.040 fool and you need to do something because you're being embarrassed, that kind of thing. The thing

00:38:06.380 that's got you worried, that voice in your head, that's got you afraid. So often it's the whispers of

00:38:11.200 your ego and to distinguish between your ego and your own thoughts as a powerful tool. Once you,

00:38:17.340 once you're able to use it.

00:38:20.620 I agree. And I think that does tie back to, so when I was saying pride and things like that, it's,

00:38:26.040 that's like someone's protective shell when they don't have a very strong sense of self.

00:38:30.580 I think if you have a strong sense of self and you are comfortable with who you are, then you,

00:38:35.640 you're less prone to that type of behavior. I would hope.

00:38:40.180 Yeah. You're, you're on point. You are on the money. Um, because what is pride, right? Pride is

00:38:46.240 something you hide behind in order to protect yourself. Sometimes even to protect yourself

00:38:51.740 from the reality, reality of your position, the reality of the, uh, certain, certain lack of

00:38:58.240 character you may be suffering. The point is that, uh, you needn't fear so much being the fool. You

00:39:06.380 needn't fear so much what people are going to think of you or say about you because you can't

00:39:11.760 always control those things. And it doesn't really matter anyway. All you need to do is continue to

00:39:15.920 present yourself best way you can and continue to propagate that message that you believe in.

00:39:22.680 And that's all that you really can control. And there's always going to be people that think

00:39:26.520 you're stupid. There's always going to be people that laugh at you. You're never going to please

00:39:30.080 everybody, but that doesn't matter. All you can do is do the best possible job that you're capable

00:39:34.560 of doing to stay cool and spread that level-headed, effective version of the message. That's what I do

00:39:40.880 anyway. That's what I tell myself. That's actually very inspirational, Blair. Um, I brought up Frank.

00:39:48.680 I don't know if anybody else had anything, um, they wanted to share with Blair or say to Blair. Yeah,

00:39:53.560 go ahead, Joey. And then we'll let Frank come up. Thank you. I just wanted to go back to the

00:39:57.400 quickly, just quickly to the group chat conversation. There are, I'm not in very many

00:40:02.920 for the reasons that people talked about, but we do have one that is absolutely excellent in

00:40:08.840 Australia. And what it's designed for essentially is, you know, when, uh, we can get political capital

00:40:16.280 out of a certain topic, it will be raised in the group chat and the whole group chat will go over and,

00:40:21.680 you know, whatever politician or whatever high profile person or media has released something

00:40:28.160 that's, you know, ludicrous or lying or the usual, the usual stuff does have a very big effect on

00:40:37.920 their standing in that argument, the people that we're against. So I think that's a fantastic use of

00:40:44.640 it, but it is very rare. That's the one group chat that I wouldn't leave. Uh, and that we, we do do a lot

00:40:51.040 of good work in Australia, at least maybe because we're smaller as well. It's easier to get people

00:40:56.400 together to do that. So they can be used as Ferry was saying, if they're directed and guided and,

00:41:02.640 and you've got good people in them that aren't looking to do ego based things or argue or whatever,

00:41:07.680 you can get a really good result out of those. I just wanted to make that point. It is something that

00:41:11.360 we, we, we can use if we can sharpen it and refine it and make it a smooth functioning machine,

00:41:20.480 which it else is, I think the one that I'm talking about. What would you say about that poster?

00:41:25.920 Yeah, for sure. And I was just going to say, that's the one that we actually use to,

00:41:30.160 because I'm Canadian, we have Australians in there, we have a few Americans. So we try to share,

00:41:35.040 like, for example, if there's a Canadian issue going on, some Canadian influencer says something really

00:41:39.760 stupid. That's incorrect. I, I'll share that in the, in the group chat and everybody will go over

00:41:44.320 there and it's just to kind of bring attention to our side. So yeah, it's a great use of, of that

00:41:49.680 chat, I think for sure. A hundred percent. Do you want to go to Frank? I don't know if you know who

00:41:55.440 Frank is Blair, but he can introduce himself, but Frank Da Silva is from the US. Go ahead, Frank.

00:42:01.760 Yeah, thanks guys. This is a very, uh, very interesting conversation. I kind of got in the

00:42:14.080 tail end of whatever the, uh, the drama scene was, uh, that was interesting as well, but this is kind

00:42:21.520 of more in my bailiwick and, uh, Blair, I'm not really too familiar with your background, but you

00:42:29.760 definitely have a interesting delivery. You got a good voice for radio. That's for sure.

00:42:35.120 So with that being said, I wanted to kind of, um, put my own two cents in on this ego thing, because

00:42:42.880 I have literally been around hundreds of personalities who were attempting to be something in

00:42:50.640 the world. And out of those hundreds, probably a dozen to two dozen individuals who really were

00:42:58.720 something. And so my comment is about ego. Ego is a, is a very, very good thing. Um, I would take

00:43:06.960 issue with Blair on the fear factor and I'm taking issue Blair because I I've sat in conclave with some

00:43:15.840 interesting minds, uh, world-class, uh, thinkers. I didn't even know who a lot of these guys were

00:43:22.480 until after several hours of conversation. And then I was introduced to them. Some of these guys

00:43:28.160 had letters, you know, after their name and so on and so forth. But what it ultimately comes down to,

00:43:34.880 you know, I mean, this is like years and years. So these bullet points are not going to do it justice.

00:43:41.440 But when you meet individuals who have strong personalities, ego comes with that. I don't have

00:43:47.440 a problem with ego. It's only the manifestation of the excess that I have always found. And indeed,

00:43:58.080 when you think about a man's life or a woman's life, if that ego is so dominant, if that self-perception

00:44:06.080 is so dominant, uh, that it becomes, um, I heard the word negative a couple of times, that would be the

00:44:12.560 only time ego is negative, uh, as far as I'm concerned. For instance, I think it was Blair that

00:44:20.080 brought up the, uh, analogy of when somebody presents themselves kind of strong, you know,

00:44:26.640 and they take issue with you, um, that reaction, and you guys know how I feel about reaction. I'm,

00:44:33.120 I definitely preach response and not reaction. However, the human element is such that when a threat comes,

00:44:42.320 if somebody has a high level of survivability, um, people can, they can call it ego. Um, I like the

00:44:49.760 word pride. I think one of the ladies mentioned pride. I have no problem with, with pride. Um,

00:44:56.560 I'm a proud man. And all the men that I've known who were worth, worth anything were very, very proud

00:45:01.760 men. So when you dive down that rabbit hole, it's only the excess that I have found that has created a

00:45:10.320 negative atmosphere if you don't. Okay. So let me just backtrack a little bit. Ego to me is that still

00:45:18.800 small voice, uh, which is adjacent to our soul, if you will. And some men have strong souls and the,

00:45:28.720 the incumbent ego is a necessary by-product of that strong spirit or that strong soul.

00:45:36.320 And for the moment I'll land it here and just say that the dialogue that I have with some of these

00:45:42.240 pretty interesting individuals that I have met in my life always comes down to these two poles.

00:45:49.440 One group is a group that proposes you, uh, unity, you know, like a cosmo, cosmological unity,

00:45:58.080 but I am a dualist and I'm a dualist because it's part of my genetic nature. It's part of my soul

00:46:06.400 nature, if you will. And I have literally listened to hundreds of hours of very deep,

00:46:13.840 passionate conversations from theosophists to, uh, TM people to, you know, a lot of, a lot of the people

00:46:21.440 that broach these extraneous, maybe not extraneous, but these, uh, they push the boundaries of this,

00:46:29.520 this type of discussion, which is one of the reasons why I wanted to interject a comment tonight,

00:46:34.640 because I really do enjoy this. Uh, but as a, as a dualist, um, there is a compatibility

00:46:42.240 between these extremes that I find not only a part of natural law, but I've seen it in action.

00:46:49.520 And when guys, uh, when men take a position that they want to suppress the ego, which is a lot of

00:46:57.520 this, these unifiers, they all, they always talk about this, you know, suppress the ego. And I,

00:47:04.560 I've gotten into heated discussions with some of these guys before I knew who they were. And after I found

00:47:10.160 out who they were, I really dove in because they had access to literally millions of people who read

00:47:16.720 their books, who listened to their radio shows and so on and so forth. So going forward when,

00:47:24.480 you know, this drama on, on X, you know, these, these social medias, they are a pitfall.

00:47:30.560 They're a very, very deep abyss. And so I never really pay any attention to it.

00:47:35.600 Um, but there are, there are times where I think it was, um, um, I think it was Ferry that was talking

00:47:45.680 about, um, two legitimate figures, uh, going through some type of a, of a jousting session.

00:47:52.560 Yeah. These kinds of things must not take place. If these guys, if ego gets in the way, they're going to

00:47:59.280 become drama queens on these spaces. But if these men want to actually

00:48:04.080 qualify each other's positions and, or they have an antagonistic position against one another,

00:48:09.920 and they don't consider the folk at large, and then they, they air their dirty laundry. I stay

00:48:16.160 away from these people. These people are no good. But if they can actually take that drama

00:48:22.160 and kind of broaden the conceptualization of that and discuss with one another,

00:48:28.320 get over their personal, you know, issues, and then figure out a way that they can,

00:48:34.480 at least for the moment, separate themselves from their emotions for the benefit of the folk.

00:48:41.200 These are the kind of leaders that I would follow. These are the kind of men that I would listen to

00:48:46.480 around a campfire, uh, or in an auditorium. Uh, anything less than that, um, is a waste of my time,

00:48:54.000 and it's very dysfunctional to our, to our people. So I enjoyed this conversation, guys. Really,

00:48:59.760 these conversations have become very rare in our circles. And so to Blair, uh, in passing, um, and

00:49:08.880 in closing, um, I welcome, you know, a very reasonable voice like yourself, and I'm looking

00:49:15.280 forward to hearing more of your commentary. Thanks for the mic posting.

00:49:18.720 And, uh, yeah, appreciate it. Thanks. Your input's always appreciated, Frank. Thank you.

00:49:24.320 I don't know if anybody. Yeah, go ahead, Blair. I'm glad you chimed in with that.

00:49:29.040 Because you'll notice that I said regarding ego to make a distinction between your own thoughts

00:49:35.120 and the whispers of your ego, because I don't believe in ego death. The only time your ego dies

00:49:40.880 is when you, your body does. The ego is a very physical entity and we exist on the physical plane.

00:49:47.200 So your ego lives in your physical body. That's why people with larger bodies tend to have bigger

00:49:52.640 egos or bigger ego expression, right? So, uh, ego is fear and, uh, operates primarily through fear,

00:49:59.840 but we survive through fear. The ego is a survival tool. You need it. If you're going to be someone

00:50:05.120 without an ego, for example, uh, think of one of those clap along Pentecostal Christians that's

00:50:11.040 friends with everyone and believes that violence is never acceptable and just lets everyone walk all over

00:50:15.360 them all the time. Like that's not really an effective way to live on the physical plane.

00:50:20.240 You need to be afraid sometimes, but you need to control, uh, what that fear motivates you to do

00:50:25.920 by having an understanding of the kind of ego you've got, because there's different types of ego out

00:50:30.480 there. Some people's egos have them cutting their wrists. Other people's egos having them, you know,

00:50:36.160 have them enjoying cruelty and deriving pleasure from inflicting pain on others. But these things

00:50:41.760 aren't generally necessary. So that's what you've got to be careful of that. Be careful that your

00:50:45.760 ego doesn't have you doing things that aren't necessary. And the reason I know this is because

00:50:49.920 I have a monstrous ego myself, one that allows me to be on my own for years at a time and not be

00:50:55.920 lonely because it keeps me company. I can have conversations with my ego and it will argue with

00:51:00.320 me. I can have two different minds about something because it's literally a perspective I've got battling

00:51:06.320 against an idea, an opposing idea that my ego is presenting. I can sit in my bedroom for weeks,

00:51:11.440 months, years, thinking about things and just being in conversation with my own,

00:51:16.160 what is disguised as my own inner perception, which I see as my ego. So that's why I think for me,

00:51:21.680 this is a subject that's particularly interesting, but you definitely need an ego, right? Uh, you do need

00:51:27.680 an ego. You just need a good partnership with your ego. You know, only your ego, only a deceptive ego will

00:51:34.320 have you actually believing that you're completely in control of your own actions.

00:51:38.560 No one's ever completely in control of their own actions, really. Everyone's susceptible to some

00:51:43.120 influence by fear, some influence by ego, but you need to do your best to create a balance,

00:51:48.560 to mitigate the effect that those feelings have over you, right? So good partnership with the ego

00:51:54.160 should be your goal. I think that's really well explained. And I think what you want to do in

00:51:59.600 terms of what Blair was saying before is to get ourselves out of that ego mode when we should,

00:52:05.440 when we really, really need to. And it was talking about how you present on here and how you interact

00:52:11.120 with people and how you focus on your job and push the message that requires you to set your ego aside

00:52:17.520 and go to that higher consciousness, higher level of thinking, higher order thinking,

00:52:22.800 executive functioning, that type of thing, and use that to make your moves, if that makes sense.

00:52:28.240 Yeah. But, uh, look, we've gotten pretty deep, pretty quickly.

00:52:34.720 I agree. So let's bring it back.

00:52:36.560 Yeah. Thanks, Blair. Good.

00:52:40.160 Tell me about, uh, tell me, start off by, tell me about Canada. Tell me something interesting about

00:52:44.880 Canada. Cause I don't know a lot about

00:52:46.080 Ferry go. Ferry's our Canadian expert. Yeah. Sing some songs.

00:52:52.560 I'm not sure what you mean. What's the, I'll ask some, I'll make it easy. Ask some specifics,

00:52:57.920 right? Like what's the immigration like there? What's the demographic like? What kind of attitude

00:53:03.040 does the government have regarding immigration? Going great.

00:53:05.600 And what do the people think about it? Going really great.

00:53:07.360 Mike, tell me. All right. So immigration is out of control as it is everywhere. I think Canada

00:53:14.320 has the highest per capita legal immigration in the world at the current moment. Although I'm not

00:53:20.800 sure. Australia's I think is close, but I think Canada edges it out slightly. So it's not good. Um,

00:53:28.640 and obviously it's not, uh, the ideal type of immigration that you would want in a, in a, you know,

00:53:35.440 scenario. It's not exactly like it's Anglos and Scots, it's Indians and Chinese and Africans.

00:53:40.880 So obviously it's very similar to the demographics that Australia is getting. Um, in terms of like

00:53:46.640 overall demographics, uh, Canada is, uh, like if I could do it on a, in a chronological order,

00:53:54.960 if you want. Um, when I was born, Canada was, uh, 90, 92% white. That was 1989 by 2000,

00:54:03.920 it had dropped below 90%. Um, by 2015, it had, uh, dropped below 80%. And now it is staring down

00:54:13.200 the barrel of 62%. So, uh, there's been, you know, almost a 30% change in the last 25 years in

00:54:20.000 the racial demographics of this country on top of that. Um, so roughly, uh, 33% of Canadians,

00:54:29.280 uh, sorry, I shouldn't say Canadians of people currently residing in Canada were not born in

00:54:34.320 this country, or they are the direct descendant of a, of an immigrant that's come here in the last,

00:54:40.400 uh, couple of decades. So that's not even like a pure non, uh, you know, number of nons. I'm not

00:54:46.800 sure what it would be exactly, but it's roughly a third of Canadians were not born here or are the

00:54:53.840 direct descendant of somebody who was not born here. Um, on top of that, um, like currently right

00:55:01.120 now, roughly 20, uh, I think it's 25% of people currently residing in Canada are not even citizens.

00:55:08.720 So not only are they not, um, you know, European or born in Canada, but they're not even citizens.

00:55:16.080 So we're talking about a quarter of the population, um, that is, has come here very recently. Like,

00:55:22.960 as in, like you would, you only have to be in Canada for three years to get citizenship.

00:55:27.360 So you would assume that most people are trying to go through that process. And the way this breaks

00:55:31.680 down is we have roughly, um, 8 million permanent residents. We have 2.5 to 3 million temporary

00:55:40.320 residents. We have another couple of million, uh, international students, and then we have

00:55:46.080 somewhere between a million to 2 million asylum seekers. So when you add that up, it, it, you know,

00:55:51.280 it's, um, somewhere in the range, I, it depends on the estimates, but somewhere in the range of

00:55:56.080 10 to 15 million. Uh, so you can see where that 25% comes in. These are not citizens. They're just

00:56:03.840 people who have shown up here and, uh, you know, under various, um, circumstances and now reside here.

00:56:11.520 So it's a pretty dire demographic situation in Canada. However, what this has done because it's

00:56:19.200 happened so quickly, uh, particularly in the last couple of years where we had absurd levels of

00:56:24.160 immigration, um, it has had a shock effect on the, on the Canadian populace, on the actual Canadian

00:56:30.400 people. And Canadians have become more racially conscious in the last two years than they probably

00:56:36.480 have been, uh, since the 1960s. Um, particularly Indian immigration, you know, I, I know Joel likes

00:56:44.240 to talk about this and he's absolutely right. Um, there's something about Indians in particular

00:56:49.600 that the European mind just fundamentally rejects at a visceral, vitriolic, you know,

00:56:55.840 hateful level. Like we really just don't like these people. And, you know, it's, it's easy to,

00:57:01.680 to, you know, uh, you know, just kind of avoid whenever they're 2% of the population or 3% of the

00:57:09.680 population, but you know, they're approaching 10% of the Canadian population now, and it's impossible to,

00:57:15.360 you know, live anywhere in the country without interacting with these people on a daily basis,

00:57:20.240 unless you're in the remote wildernesses of Canada. And even then there's a good chance,

00:57:25.200 like I've been into some pretty remote places in Canada, even then it's most likely that your gas

00:57:30.880 station is being run by Indians or that the, whatever restaurant is there is now owned and

00:57:35.600 run by Indians. And so there's this aspect of these people where they're just everywhere.

00:57:40.640 I, we recently did a cross country. Well, this summer we did a cross country tour, uh, 17 stops,

00:57:46.480 you know, coast to coast and every single gas station, every single fast food restaurant,

00:57:53.500 every single convenience store, every it's all Indian. You can't. And the crazy thing is that

00:57:59.640 you can actually see the demographics changing day by day. Now it's gotten to the point where it's

00:58:05.000 noticeably more Indian by the day. And that's because it literally is. We're talking about

00:58:09.760 thousands of these people coming in every day. I think if you, if you, uh, break it down, it was

00:58:15.700 like, um, like a small city is coming in every month, um, or more. So, you know, a hundred thousand

00:58:23.200 or more people. So when it, when you look around and you feel that, you know, why does it feel like

00:58:29.740 it's getting more Indian by the day? Well, it is, it literally is. Um, so that that's basically how,

00:58:36.220 like, as I said, though, there's, there's a silver lining to this, which is, um, we've moved past the

00:58:41.480 point of people making economic arguments against immigration. And now they're starting to make very

00:58:47.460 explicitly racial and ethnic arguments against immigration, which is a fundamental step that

00:58:52.980 people need to take. Once they can get past the, the, the kind of conservative framework of,

00:58:59.360 you know, immigration is bad because of the effects on healthcare or housing or, uh, wages or

00:59:05.940 anything like that. And they can just straight up say, no, you know what? I just don't like these

00:59:10.160 people. That's, that's when you've really won, um, the, the, the discussion because they're not even

00:59:16.500 arguing anymore at that point. It's not a matter of let's debate whether or not this is good for the

00:59:21.460 country. It's, it's people have decided in their minds that it is not good for their country and they

00:59:26.320 don't like it. So that, that is rapidly becoming the situation.

00:59:29.820 Can I just, um, seems like it's very similar down here in Australia. There are still areas in

00:59:36.680 Australia, which aren't heavily affected by Indian immigration, but there's only a few of them. Uh,

00:59:42.780 I live in one of those areas that's not so affected and even I'm noticing more of them moving in.

00:59:48.860 And as you said, it's almost like a day by day, week by week thing where you notice you're

00:59:52.320 interacting with Indians more frequently, they're in traffic, holding up traffic more frequently,

00:59:58.920 uh, fast food restaurants. They seem to frequent those places because they're always driving for

01:00:04.280 Uber. But can I ask you guys, what do you think is the more effective strategy? Would it be, I think

01:00:11.620 they call it balkanization. Do you find your own community, your own space and separate,

01:00:16.300 or do you think, uh, sort of going into politics and trying to take as much power as possible for

01:00:23.880 the purposes of mass deportations would be more effective? I think the, the latter kind of sounds

01:00:30.220 preferable to me. Obviously it's going to be a much harder battle and I don't see any reason not

01:00:36.700 to do both at the same time, but what do you guys think about those two strategies for our survival?

01:00:42.280 Which one's going to produce better results? Before we answer, I just, I can't help but say,

01:00:47.020 I think it's hilarious that in an, in a discussion where you are the subject of discussion, you,

01:00:53.160 you're the one asking the questions, which is very typical of what I've seen from you

01:00:57.320 in general. You're, you're, you're a very perceiving person, aren't you? You, you always want to know

01:01:02.960 what the other, like, I see you do this with Tom and Joel all the time. You're always the one that

01:01:07.140 wants, wants their opinion on, on the topic. I find it. Yeah. I've, yeah, I do. I, I want perspective

01:01:17.020 because listening to the perspective of others helps to broaden my own, you know, like, uh, so

01:01:22.640 that's what I try. I try to use spaces like this as an opportunity, not just to broaden my own

01:01:28.360 perspective, but the perspective of the audience. Right. So maybe, I don't know. Yeah. The two,

01:01:32.200 that's you. Sorry. I was gonna say, I don't know if maybe Ferry wants to respond to that. Sorry,

01:01:36.120 Blair. I'm. Well, yeah, I will respond to it. I didn't mean to put Blair on the spot. I just think

01:01:40.300 it's, it's an interesting thing about Blair in particular, an odd quality in a, in a personality

01:01:45.440 that is so public facing because usually everybody wants to have the discussion and Blair seems to

01:01:50.820 always be the one asking the questions of others, but, um. Well, and it's kind of tied into what I

01:01:55.960 wanted to, we kind of wanted to talk about political aspirations for you, Blair. So this is perfect segue.

01:01:59.960 So yeah, I think, go ahead, Ferry. The, to answer Blair's question, I think there has to be an

01:02:05.640 element of both. I think, uh, obviously I'm pretty familiar with, um, what Tom and, uh, the NSN guys

01:02:12.420 are, are planning to do with their homesteading kind of project. And I agree, uh, with a lot of what

01:02:19.140 they've said about it. I think that you need to be able to remove healthy elements from a, a sick society

01:02:25.300 community and give them a place that they can expand and, you know, um, live in a healthy

01:02:31.540 environment. Uh, however, ultimately that's just another form of, of white flight. Um, I did like

01:02:38.300 how Tom put it recently where he said, there's a difference between white flight and white

01:02:43.020 fortressing, which is different. Like if you're planning on withdrawing from, um, you know, the,

01:02:49.040 the urban centers so that you can build strong, um, you know, uh, homesteads from which to then

01:02:57.160 fight, um, that's, that's different than just trying to run away. But obviously, obviously this

01:03:03.100 has been happening organically everywhere. I mean, it's, it's certainly happened in Canada.

01:03:06.940 Everybody's familiar with this, which is what white flight has been going on since the 1960s,

01:03:11.680 since they opened up immigration from the third world, you know, people have moved away from city

01:03:16.680 centers, which is where the invaders are drawn to and they've moved further and further away. And

01:03:22.420 it's gotten to the point where you can't even really do that anymore. There's, there's nowhere

01:03:26.840 left to go. Um, and it's almost like that's frustrated the government too. The government's

01:03:32.520 made an effort to actually send immigrants to regional areas to chase white people down.

01:03:37.820 Absolutely. We have this in Canada. So we, there is a, I forget the exact name of it, but there's a

01:03:42.760 a government program that is specifically designed to send, uh, immigrants to rural and, uh, you know,

01:03:49.720 remote areas. So like it, into the fall. Yeah. Same in Australia, in Australia, in Australia,

01:03:54.840 these little organizations pop up applying for government funding and their specific role,

01:04:00.680 what they're getting funded to do is to bring as many immigrants into the area as possible.

01:04:04.060 And it's always regional towns. Yeah, exactly. And so like, I, I saw this, you know,

01:04:08.840 I was living in Calgary, Alberta. Um, but what would that have been, uh, a little under two years

01:04:16.120 ago. And, you know, it, the, the demographic change in Cal, I lived there for two years,

01:04:21.780 the demographic change in that city in that two years was unbelievable. Um, and then I, I moved to

01:04:28.660 a town, a very small town, which is about an hour from Calgary. And I was only there for eight

01:04:34.860 months. And in that time period, it went from, I didn't, I didn't see a single non-white to Indians

01:04:41.840 on the streets every day. So like that, that's like, I I've witnessed it. And so like, this is

01:04:48.100 what's going to happen. More people are going to leave the cities. Um, they're going to do the white

01:04:52.900 flight and they're slowly going to realize that there's nowhere else to run. The issue is the funny

01:04:57.920 thing is I don't even know if a lot of these people, at least a good chunk of them understand what

01:05:03.340 they're actually running from. Like, that's, what's so interesting about it to me is the mindset

01:05:07.640 of, do they even understand why they don't like living in the cities anymore? It's probably an

01:05:13.700 instinctive thing. Like, uh, most people are more feminine than they are masculine and the feminine

01:05:18.980 tends to operate on instinct and intuition rather than sort of conscious understanding. So they're

01:05:24.240 probably just moving away out of instinct. White flight is like an instinctual phenomenon.

01:05:28.360 They're not really doing it consciously. It's just like, they don't want to be there. They don't

01:05:32.200 understand why we understand why, but the average punter, they just want to get away from what they

01:05:38.100 feel is a hostile situation. Yeah. And that's why I say there's a difference between somebody who's

01:05:44.120 engaging in balkanization with intent, with, with an understanding of why they're doing it versus a lot

01:05:51.460 of these people who are just trying to get away. Um, it's basically the, uh, I just want to be left

01:05:57.140 alone, um, attitude. And that's part of the problem. If we hadn't have had this attitude,

01:06:03.640 uh, 60 years ago or pick a time period, it doesn't really matter 20 years ago, 30 years ago.

01:06:09.960 Um, there's, it wouldn't be such a problem today. And again, there's this tendency of,

01:06:15.080 especially with Canadians. I don't know if this is the same for Australians, but Canadians are always

01:06:19.840 looking for the path of least resistance. They're not a very, uh, hostile people, uh, in general,

01:06:26.160 right? Like we, there's a lot of go along to get along out of Canadians. Um, the, the good thing

01:06:32.460 is that that's finally coming to an end other, the, the days of the polite, just kind of, you know,

01:06:39.980 easy go lucky Canadian is coming to, to an end rapidly and they're getting hostile, um, in a way

01:06:46.680 that I didn't think they would honestly. But very, I just want to put it out there that, I mean, a lot of

01:06:54.920 this, um, willingness to reject the mass immigration has stemmed from yourself, from

01:07:03.120 Jeremy McKenzie, from Derek Rance, just as even a concept, right? To be willing to say

01:07:09.760 they have to go back, mass deportations now, remigration now. Before, I mean, you know,

01:07:17.420 growing up before it was popular opinion, it was not even a concept that we were allowed to even

01:07:24.360 contemplate growing up. It was like multiculturalism is good. And this is the first time that, you know,

01:07:31.380 we'd ever heard that actually, no, this has to stop. And, you know, we've seen an increase in credit

01:07:37.060 card theft, car theft, drug trafficking, gun trafficking, fraud, forgery, sexual assaults,

01:07:43.980 like our safe, homogeneous, in-group preference worlds are being shattered, where our children

01:07:52.120 don't even know a world where it isn't multicultural. And they don't know a world where they're allowed

01:07:59.500 to take their bikes and bike forever. And we're parents aren't worried about them. They don't even

01:08:05.040 know, because now they live in this world where we have to be concerned of Muslim kidnappings, or

01:08:11.300 Muslim rape gangs, or Indian kidnappings, and Indian rape gangs. Like, it's a whole new reality.

01:08:17.540 And thanks to the boys of Diagalon, I'll give them credit where it's due, and they've been influenced

01:08:23.340 by the Australian gentleman, that is for sure. It is now something that normies are starting to say,

01:08:30.680 even the conservative influencers, they're going, oh, geez, they must go back. Like, they're not getting

01:08:36.760 the phraseology right, but they're saying it. And this is a huge win, thanks to your work.

01:08:43.980 Well, this is where, if I could, I'd like to bounce something off of Blair, which is,

01:08:50.720 you know, how do I frame this? One of the things I see as being a major

01:08:57.120 debate or conflict in this coming year, and probably for the next two to three, is the battle

01:09:08.780 between nationalists and conservatives. And the way I've been phrasing this to people is like, look,

01:09:13.120 it's very obvious that the system is trying to retract and roll back some of its extreme policies.

01:09:22.040 I know Joel's talked about this with you as well, which is this kind of like, you know, journey back

01:09:28.920 to the center where, you know, the extreme policies of the left have become, have gotten to a point

01:09:35.240 where they're no longer productive for the system. They're actually damaging its ability to function

01:09:40.820 at this point. And so there's a desire to go back. And it's very clear that, you know, among the

01:09:49.140 entire population, these policies did not sink in. And so now that it's kind of like a two steps

01:09:55.760 forward, one step back scenario, where they're trying to bring it back and, you know, gatekeep

01:10:00.440 and, you know, ratchet theory, I guess, is the way to say it, where they've gone far enough. And now

01:10:06.880 they're going to let the conservatives take in and just kind of roll over for a bit. And like, this is

01:10:11.600 where the battle is going to take place. It's going to take place between nationalists and conservatives

01:10:16.780 in this kind of attempt to, you know, shape the energy that that exists on the right right now,

01:10:23.720 and, you know, guide it in a direction. And so I guess the question I would have for you is,

01:10:29.400 how do you think that we should approach that struggle? Or do you even see it like that?

01:10:36.720 I do fear that this perceived swing back to the right, or as you say, more conservative

01:10:43.120 politics is really just them slowing down their attack, because everyone's noticing what they're

01:10:49.260 doing. So it's kind of just like, reeling it in a little bit rather than actually giving us any

01:10:55.040 credibility. But I don't think that's entirely it. There's definitely an effort by elitists

01:11:00.440 to control the situation, to bring it back in and do it in a controlled way,

01:11:05.940 which I think you were explaining there too. You understand it that way as well.

01:11:11.560 I just think that the best way to approach the situation would be to build as much as we can

01:11:17.540 while we can. I always used to say that open war, the faster open war starts throughout the West in

01:11:25.220 regards to the question of immigration, the probably better chance that we stand. But we're not really

01:11:30.880 living in a situation like that. So I don't have all the answers about how we're going to solve all

01:11:38.780 of our problems in the next five to 10 years and make mass deportations or re-migration a thing.

01:11:44.780 Specifically, I'm more interested in how I'm going to contribute to the situation or to

01:11:49.460 helping our situation in my own country. But all I know is that I'm surprised that I'm allowed back

01:11:56.780 on social media. I'm still almost waiting for them to ban me again. That's why I haven't really

01:12:02.680 posted that much to it. And I still have to support myself through my own business. And that takes up

01:12:08.120 a lot of my time throughout the week. And I use social media for that as well. So I'm reckoning with

01:12:15.560 the fact that I'm actually able to emerge back out of exile and use social media again, make content

01:12:20.860 that reaches people. And now there's actually a physical event taking place, which I've been asked to

01:12:25.680 attend and participate in. And so as I explained at the start of this space, we're spiraling back or

01:12:32.240 back around to a similar position where we were in 2015, where we have great opportunity to build

01:12:38.420 something tangible that can have real impacts on culture, not just in Australia, but across the

01:12:44.080 Western world. We need to establish a real foothold in official politics somehow. And so there's

01:12:50.920 definitely going to be strategies as to how we're going to do that. Well, there should be in the next

01:12:55.460 like six to 12 months. There's definitely people we can put up for the Senate in Australia, for

01:13:00.020 example. We can get real people, even if it's just for exposure, they don't necessarily have to

01:13:04.900 achieve anything in the short term. We need to get our message on the table. We need to

01:13:09.240 re-establish a strong sense of national identity. And again, at the start of the space, I remarked

01:13:16.660 that this is an exciting sort of turn of events. The circumstances that we're presented with now,

01:13:22.960 it's exciting because we don't need to limit ourselves as much as we did back in 2015,

01:13:27.920 2016. We can be much more fundamentalist about the essence of our message, which is racial,

01:13:34.140 nationalistic. People are ready to receive that message now. And so there's going to be

01:13:37.920 a shift in the public consciousness, I think, and we're going to be spearheading that shift.

01:13:42.700 That's awesome. That's actually, that was something I wanted to know if, yeah, you had

01:13:48.580 political aspirations yourself, or do you think it'll just be somebody in the kind of national

01:13:54.100 socialist kind of group or whatever?

01:13:57.680 I'm a good, I'm more of an advisor. I'd rather not do it myself. But we have some really good young

01:14:04.140 fellows popping up from new generation who are very passionate about the situation in the country

01:14:09.740 right now. And most of them in terms of reputation and history are pretty clean. So there's, there's

01:14:15.140 probably better options than me personally, although I would generate a great deal of controversy. So if

01:14:19.760 we were doing it specifically for exposure, a bit of fun to really drive the message home, yeah,

01:14:25.020 I might be a good choice for that reason. But personally, I'd rather not do it. We'll see what

01:14:29.840 happens though.

01:14:30.900 I mean, I think you're so well-spoken and very knowledgeable. I think you would probably

01:14:35.560 do really well in that, that sphere, but I can understand why you probably don't want to, because then

01:14:41.180 everything's off the table right now. You're totally exposed and they're going to dig up even more than

01:14:45.640 they already have. Right.

01:14:49.660 There's nothing they won't do to bury you at the end of the day. And it's not that I'm afraid.

01:14:55.400 Sorry, I was just eating some chicken. I'm like on a, I'm on a, I'm on a, like a bodybuilding diet

01:15:00.880 schedule. So I'm like, Oh my God, it's time to eat. I have to eat right now. I get a little bit

01:15:04.460 pedantic with it. But, um, it's not that I'm afraid. It's just that I feel like someone could

01:15:10.620 be more effective. And so for the time being, I'd rather just give my advice to whoever that might

01:15:15.540 be. But if nobody comes forward and it ends up being the sort of situation where, you know,

01:15:22.140 there's no one better, then obviously I'll have to step up, but we'll see what happens. Like, uh,

01:15:27.480 anything's possible. Uh, but we need to be quick and we need to act at the right time. Uh, and all these

01:15:33.540 discussions are already happening behind the scenes between the guys and the various

01:15:36.760 networks in Australia. That's awesome. Um, is there anything else you ladies or fairy,

01:15:42.940 did you want to discuss, or do you want to move to maybe if Belair has a little bit more time,

01:15:46.280 talk to move to a couple of hands or how do you want to go? You can let us know Blair too. I don't

01:15:50.800 know how much time you have. Uh, I could probably stick around for another 25 minutes tops. Uh, I put,

01:15:59.860 yeah, I put off some work, so I've got a jet soon, but I've got a bit more time. Okay. I've got,

01:16:05.120 sorry, I've got two things that I wanted to cover just before, um, we open it up. So one like story

01:16:12.920 I'd like to share is, um, you know, part of my working with the Diagon boys was, um, I was kind of

01:16:21.060 working in conservative circles prior to becoming a nationalist and, um, I met Tommy Robinson.

01:16:29.480 So just, just so, um, just sorry to interrupt, but just so the audience understands what is Diagon

01:16:34.020 long? Uh, this is, oh man, um, loaded question. Well, it's just, it's just like, it's not necessarily

01:16:43.800 the most easy thing to explain. And I think the majority of the audience probably know, I'll try to

01:16:49.040 do it like in, in under two minutes. So basically Diagon is a meme country that was formed around a

01:16:56.140 very, uh, well-liked podcaster within Canada, uh, Jeremy McKenzie, who also goes by the name

01:17:02.880 Raging Dissident. Uh, the concept of Diagon was formed during the COVID period, whenever a bunch of

01:17:11.400 Canadian provinces and American, uh, you know, states were opposed to the mandates or were not

01:17:17.700 enforcing them. And it, if you put them on a map, it formed this kind of diagonal line that ran from

01:17:24.180 Alaska to Florida. And so the, the joke obviously was like, Hey, look, all, all these, you know,

01:17:30.180 states and provinces are the sane ones, you know, let's just form our own, uh, you know, mega country

01:17:36.180 that cuts the continent of North America in half, you know, diagonally, and we'll call it diagonal on.

01:17:41.480 And so this became just like a running inside joke that eventually, um, you know, gained a lot of

01:17:48.120 popularity to the point where people were identifying as, you know, DAGs or Diagalonian.

01:17:54.380 And it's kind of like Kekistan, right? And the same kind of vibe. Um, and this got pushed into

01:18:00.340 prominence whenever, during the Canadian trucker convoy, the Canadian government tried to make it

01:18:05.720 out like Diagalon was some kind of real and imminent threat to national security. So basically

01:18:12.140 they painted Diagalon as being this terroristic, you know, white nationalist militia group, um,

01:18:18.380 that was hell bent on overthrowing the Canadian government by, you know, means of, of the trucker

01:18:23.420 convoy. And obviously none of this was true. It was all contrived by, um, the government and our

01:18:30.120 version of the ADL or, you know, the, our version of the ADC for you in Australia, the Canadian anti-hate

01:18:36.700 network. And so they spun up this narrative that there was this, um, you know, violent insurrectionist

01:18:42.700 kind of entity that was attached to the convoy. And then they used it to justify invoking the

01:18:48.320 emergency measures act, which is martial law. Um, and then this all came out, you know, after the fact,

01:18:54.320 after, um, they had done what they did to shut down the convoy protests, um, eventually this,

01:19:01.380 this became widely known and, and they still try to use Diagalon as some kind of boogeyman.

01:19:06.220 Um, but it's not an organization. It's not, um, a militia. It's certainly not a terrorist organization.

01:19:11.940 It's just a bunch of people who are fans of a podcaster and, uh, you know, a wider collective

01:19:17.620 of streamers and content creators that, you know, roughly align, uh, politically, um, you know,

01:19:24.080 on most things. So it's, it, it's basically just a meme is what it is.

01:19:31.460 Right. Well, thanks for explaining. And I hope everyone can, uh, grasp that.

01:19:35.620 Sorry. I assumed, I assumed everybody knew, um, cause I see all these slashies in the audience.

01:19:41.440 So, but I think we have a lot of Australians that came in too. So they probably,

01:19:44.900 they're like, what the heck is a Diagalon? So thanks for clearing that. So ultimately a long story

01:19:52.040 short, I met Tommy Robinson and, uh, we were talking and, um, like he definitely came onto

01:19:59.580 my radar in 2009. And I was pretty sure that you would come onto my radar at a similar time,

01:20:05.240 you know? And I was like, look at these guys, um, patriots from their birth countries,

01:20:11.540 standing up for their people, fighting radical Islam. Um, but Tommy's life took a very different

01:20:19.800 turn. And I asked him about you and what he thought about Blair Cottrell. And, um, and he said,

01:20:28.780 well, yeah, he's like a pretty big Chad and, uh, you know, with his British accent, he said it more

01:20:33.700 like that. And, um, you know, his life, I mean, that weekend, ultimately we lost him on a cocaine binge

01:20:42.780 and he was just drinking and we had to like pull him out of a brothel. It was a total disaster in

01:20:50.640 Montreal when he came to visit. And, uh, I thought it was interesting that you both, um, were kind of

01:20:58.720 confronting radical Islam, but you both took very different strategies in, in how you would deal with

01:21:06.680 it. And I got the sense from Tommy that you might be one of the only people in the white Western world

01:21:15.920 that could actually have a conversation with them that could actually have an impact. And I just wanted

01:21:23.640 to get your thoughts about that because it looks like he went left and you went right. And, um, and

01:21:30.340 you know, he's currently in prison, right. For, can I just, um, just to clarify, so Tommy Robinson

01:21:37.440 visited Montreal and went on a cocaine binge and ended up in a brothel. That's correct.

01:21:45.700 And like, I was goodness me, we were, we were a team that we were supposed to take him on tour,

01:21:51.620 but ultimately, um, this Jewish media organization called rebel news. You may be familiar with rebel

01:21:58.660 news. They came in and they offered him like $80,000. And so Tommy's not going to say no to

01:22:04.920 $80,000. And, uh, yeah. And then it turned into, um, a total circus where Tommy suddenly got arrested

01:22:14.140 outside of his venue. And then that got all sorts of immediate attention. And then they started

01:22:20.640 fundraising. Right. And then I said, Oh, wow. That's how you make your $80,000. Cause they were like,

01:22:27.300 save tommy.com and donate now. He needs the best lawyers in Canada. And it was just all fraud. So

01:22:35.920 it was a big rebel moment for me rebel rebel news offered to pay him $80,000, but then they raised

01:22:43.240 that $80,000 from the public. They didn't actually come up with the money themselves. So he probably

01:22:48.320 could have just done that. I was so offended. And Jeremy McKenzie said to me, he's like, Beth,

01:22:53.400 then if we're going to act, we're going to act now. And I'm like, okay, we're going to do this.

01:22:58.040 So that's how that happened. But your name did come up and I can't believe serendipitously,

01:23:03.860 I'm in the situation where I'm talking to you. And maybe my question is, if you had a chance to

01:23:09.700 speak to Tommy Robinson face to face, what would you say to him?

01:23:13.560 I've never spoken to Tommy before. I've heard from many people that he's, he's got opinions

01:23:23.660 about me and most of them used to be positive opinions, but I can't verify that this is just

01:23:28.660 what people are saying, but it keeps coming up. So obviously there's probably some truth

01:23:32.700 to it. What would I say to Tommy? I'd have to think about that. I, I have to come up with

01:23:41.000 the most effective way to persuade the guy to, uh, to jump on board with ethno-nationalism,

01:23:46.320 you know? So, uh, probably, yeah, but probably look, there's not, you can't make packs with

01:23:54.440 certain people. There's no making packs with the kind of people behind rebel news and that kind of

01:23:58.640 stuff. You can only do what they say in exchange for, you know, a meager wage or a bit of money.

01:24:05.140 That's just going to burn out anyway. But I don't know. It's, it's curious because the sort of guys

01:24:09.620 that take cocaine and end up in brothels, I don't know that that's not something I understand.

01:24:16.000 And I'm, everyone's got their vices, right? No one's perfect. I'm not, uh, critically judging

01:24:22.120 the guy too harshly, but that's not a vice or vices that I have personally. I don't, I don't do

01:24:29.180 that. I don't really understand guys who do that. So this is obviously a different guy. He operates

01:24:33.220 on a different wavelength to me. Um, I don't know. Like we come from the same background,

01:24:41.440 don't we? Because we Aussies came from England, but there's, there's some very strong differences

01:24:47.080 between Australians and English. And I discovered that for myself when I traveled to England,

01:24:50.680 uh, to visit Mark Collett and see a bit of the countryside. I attended a patriotic alternative

01:24:56.900 conference where I was actually secretly recorded without my knowledge by a British broadcasting

01:25:01.500 corporation journalist actually. And there's a bit of a story surrounding that at the moment.

01:25:05.920 Apparently I said some pretty, uh, some pretty extreme things in private conversation, which

01:25:10.760 isn't much of an expose really like, you know, Blair Cottrell, famous Australian racist says

01:25:15.700 racist things in private conversations. It'd be more of an, it'd be, it'd be more of an expose

01:25:21.080 if I like said something about secretly liking black women or something like that, it'd be a

01:25:24.900 real expose, but you know, obviously that's not the case. But yeah, the differences between

01:25:30.600 Australians and Englishmen, I'm talking about white Australians and Englishmen, the only real types

01:25:36.020 of Australians and Englishmen, they're, they're quite like in your face. Like I noticed the Englishmen

01:25:40.820 were, um, just like smaller and skinnier generally, even skinnier in their faces. The Australians were

01:25:47.180 just larger for some reason. And I couldn't really understand why that was. And Joel and I have

01:25:53.280 theorized as to why that could be to some extent. And, you know, Tommy's obviously of the smaller

01:25:59.560 variety of blokes, like most of the English guys that are on it. It's not every English

01:26:03.820 guy. Don't get me wrong. Like there was actually one bloke over there who was bigger than me,

01:26:06.980 but that was like, you know, an anomaly. Most of the Englishmen are just notably smaller

01:26:11.700 frame, smaller, perhaps slightly smaller of character. Maybe that's what's good. I don't

01:26:16.260 know. I don't want to throw too much dirt on the guy. I've never spoken to him. What

01:26:19.060 would I say to him? I'd have to think about it. I'd have to think about it. It'd have

01:26:22.800 something to do with reflecting on the results of his choices up till now and, you know, whether

01:26:29.760 it's been worth it and what the best way forward would be, would it be to continue to mix with

01:26:36.240 the certain people that he has been mixing with, or would it be to sort of stick to his

01:26:40.340 own and be a bit more loyal to the in-group, you know?

01:26:43.620 Is he going to take the money? Cause he's seen more money than most of us have seen all

01:26:48.540 our lives, right? He's come out of this, a very wealthy man and he's currently in prison

01:26:53.700 with Elon cheerleading for him. So he's, his bank account is filling up and up and up again,

01:26:59.980 right? With almost, I feel gullible granny's donations. So that's difficult, um, for, to

01:27:07.080 be a witness to. Um, but yeah, so I, I suppose, I don't know if there is anything one can say

01:27:16.280 to somebody who is blinded and manipulated by money. Um, but I, I did know that he liked

01:27:23.420 you.

01:27:23.800 I don't know. It might, it might, it might be a bit presumptuous though, you know, like

01:27:27.440 I, we don't know for sure if he's completely blinded and manipulated by money. There's probably

01:27:31.800 a lot more going on behind the scenes than we can understand. So it's probably something

01:27:36.820 we should move past because we're talking about a person, we're talking about an individual,

01:27:41.080 obviously an influential individual, but, um, yeah, it's, it's probably, it's probably best

01:27:45.100 to just move on from it. I don't know what to say regards to the guy. I've never met

01:27:48.180 the man, so I can't speak to his motivations.

01:27:49.860 No fair. It was just that your name came up when I was in his presence. I wanted to

01:27:54.360 take this opportunity, but we can absolutely move on. We do have a lineup of people that

01:28:00.180 would like to ask questions. So perhaps we should bring up some speakers posty.

01:28:04.780 Yeah, I'm fine with that. As long as I don't know, Ferry, did you have anything you wanted

01:28:08.280 to say before we bring up?

01:28:10.840 No, I'm good. You should let people get questions in for sure before Blair has to go.

01:28:15.100 Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead, ladies.

01:28:18.080 In that light, then, uh, we make them fairly quick and to the point, the questions when

01:28:22.840 we bring people up, if we could.

01:28:24.560 Yeah. Can we try to keep it under a few minutes? Cause we want to try to get as many people

01:28:27.900 as possible and give Blair a chance to respond to. So.

01:28:30.720 Under 30 seconds. It's a question.

01:28:32.760 Okay. Ferry says under 30 seconds. Okay.

01:28:34.820 I'm with Ferry. I like Ferry's idea.

01:28:37.060 All right. All right. We're going with Ferry's idea. Let's go.

01:28:45.940 I can't see the coming out.

01:28:47.860 Okay. So.

01:28:48.360 I don't have to manage.

01:28:50.040 Yeah. I can see only Frank is requesting, I think at the moment on my screen.

01:28:56.260 Yeah. We had a few people drop out, but, um, go ahead, Frank.

01:29:15.100 Is Frank connected or is it, is it me that's having trouble?

01:29:19.600 I can't hear him either. Can you guys hear him?

01:29:22.240 I can't even see him in the space.

01:29:23.740 No, I don't see him either. Um, there's someone else I see here. Oh, wait, nevermind.

01:29:28.460 They're gone.

01:29:30.320 Uh, I've just given, uh, this, okay. This rat juice has got a mic now.

01:29:35.460 Yep.

01:29:35.900 Oh boy.

01:29:36.440 Let's go.

01:29:36.800 Okay. Rat juice. You got a question?

01:29:46.440 Yeah. I'm just wondering, like, what do you guys think about like these sand niggers?

01:29:52.080 Like, are you guys just like anti-Jew or like, like these sand niggers are like destroying our people.

01:30:00.120 So, you know, they, they, they're, they're doing exactly the same shit as, uh, the juice are doing, you know, like they're doing it physically, but they're doing, they're doing it.

01:30:09.500 And like, why, why are so many people like so cool with that?

01:30:13.580 Like, oh, we just want to like, uh, propel sign and all this faggotry.

01:30:18.020 Like, I just wonder what, what's that all about?

01:30:20.980 Okay. Is that your question?

01:30:22.360 Yeah.

01:30:23.160 Yeah. Okay. You can answer that if you want, Blair. And then drop.

01:30:26.580 It's not, it's not, what is that?

01:30:28.440 Well, that's what I mean. I don't, I don't know what, uh, you're like, I think that maybe you've had a bit too much to drink if, if I'm not incorrect there, but.

01:30:37.180 Just, just, yeah, that was not a serious question.

01:30:40.420 Obviously it's completely unrelated to anything that we've talked about.

01:30:44.140 And obviously he doesn't know anything about Blair or myself or anybody else in the panel, because if you did, you would know that Blair is pretty against Muslims, pretty, has a pretty big issue with, he's kind of known for that.

01:30:57.880 It's kind of like the thing that he came to prominence on was like keeping Sharia and Islam out of Australia.

01:31:03.140 So like, it's kind of a fucking dumb question.

01:31:06.240 I'm sorry. I'll, I'll be rude for Blair in this situation.

01:31:09.500 All right. We got Frank. Let's try it again, Frank.

01:31:15.840 Yeah, thanks. That must've been an archive. Look, post, post the end base.

01:31:20.320 I did not see that this was a closed mic. So my apologies for actually even raising my hand up the first time.

01:31:27.540 But now that I'm here, uh, Blair, do you, um, do you do any, um, serious writing?

01:31:34.380 Apparently you've been on a hiatus. Uh, is that correct? I mean, you haven't been doing any activism.

01:31:40.140 I was so censored that it was really difficult to do any real activism, but, uh, I do quite a bit of writing.

01:31:50.820 I write up diet plans and I do online coaching. That's my personal business. Sometimes I write down

01:31:57.020 my thoughts as well, but I don't often get a lot of time to do that with my working schedule right now.

01:32:02.040 So most of my writing, uh, is all in relation to formulating diet and training plans for my clients,

01:32:10.020 which I'm very passionate about. I enjoy doing that. Uh, one of the reasons I chose to do that

01:32:15.200 or to make that my business is because I like to see people develop and I like to give people

01:32:20.100 what they need in order to get them moving, get them started, because often people have what they need.

01:32:25.860 They have the motivation already inside them. They just need to get the ball rolling.

01:32:30.540 They just need that little push and to see people turn their lives around, to see their health

01:32:35.160 improve, to see them get stronger and more proud of themselves. It's meaningful work to me. So that's

01:32:40.080 where the majority of my writing happens. I would recommend Blair has been putting out some

01:32:48.160 short videos. Um, and I mean, it's not the same as writing, but I feel like it's, they're kind of

01:32:54.580 like little mini video essays. They're very well done. They're very well scripted.

01:32:59.380 Just good presentation. So if like, I don't know if you're writing out your thoughts before you're

01:33:05.120 doing these, but it seems like you are anyways. Yeah. Well, there's a bit that goes into making

01:33:11.080 those little clips. What I have a bit of a structure. I write a script of roughly what

01:33:16.180 I want to say just to get it in my mind, what I'm actually going to say. I don't really read from

01:33:20.540 it when I'm, uh, dictating on the camera, but it gets in my mind, gets me understanding the

01:33:25.980 structure of what I'm going to say. Then I dictate it on the camera and then the editing begins.

01:33:30.960 And it's a bit of a long process. It can take anywhere between six to eight hours to produce

01:33:34.840 a video five minutes long if I want to make it high quality. So I don't get a lot of chance.

01:33:40.540 I'd like to do that more often, but with my business, I don't always get the time or the

01:33:45.080 days off to do that. But whenever I do have a day off and whenever there's a good reason to do

01:33:49.280 something like that, I had this policy back, uh, when I was heading up UPF in Australia,

01:33:54.940 United Patriots front, the policy was to always make your content purposeful or link it in with

01:34:01.080 some physical events. So I don't just post videos for the sake of posting, uh, posting videos,

01:34:06.100 make the video, make the content, uh, make the purpose for the content to get people to a certain

01:34:13.480 event, to increase attendance or interest in a certain physical thing, an event, something

01:34:19.120 that you could measure. And so now that there is an event for me to promote, I'm trying to find the

01:34:24.460 time to put more work into promoting it. And that's the Australia Day event next weekend,

01:34:29.400 Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne on January 26th. I'll be attending and I'll be involved in the general

01:34:35.540 organization to some degree. And I'm really excited about it because this will be the first public

01:34:40.280 event I've endorsed since 2019. So six years ago, I endorsed a rally, a public rally in St. Kilda about

01:34:46.920 the African crime wave. I was heavily censored for doing that. I was, it was the last platform I had

01:34:53.120 left was I think Instagram and a fake or a sock account on Facebook at the time. Both of those

01:35:00.040 got nuked about two hours after I posted the video endorsing that rally. And still we got about six or

01:35:05.920 700 people in attendance. Uh, but then, you know, the, the legal hammer came down and then COVID happened

01:35:12.040 shortly after that and everything was really locked up. And, uh, this will be the first event, as I said,

01:35:17.620 that I've endorsed and I'll be attending myself. I'm really excited about it. We'll see what kind of numbers

01:35:22.160 we can get and we'll see if we can make some waves.

01:35:29.120 Do you have a follow-up, Frank? Go ahead.

01:35:31.940 Yeah, just real quick. Have you thought about replicating, uh, your skill set, your professional skill

01:35:37.040 set and maybe offering that to a coterie of individuals who either you personally or collectively

01:35:44.680 people see as potential, uh, leadership positions? I'm just curious.

01:35:52.820 Um, I haven't really considered that because I didn't really learn my skills. If, if you can regard

01:35:58.720 them as skills, um, I kind of just, everything I've done has happened rather organically. So

01:36:07.360 a lot of the time I don't even necessarily understand what I'm doing. I'm just doing what I feel is right

01:36:11.680 in the moment when it comes to the videos and the speeches and stuff. But I could think about doing

01:36:16.480 something like that in the future, for sure. Leave behind a bit of a bit of a legacy, I suppose.

01:36:21.360 Awesome. Do we want to move to, do you guys know who was next?

01:36:23.840 I was just going to say, I think the, sorry, I think the Australia Day event is awesome and I think

01:36:31.520 it will be big. I think there's a huge amount of support behind you guys, for want of a better

01:36:38.880 way of saying it. I think there might be even more support in Australia than you realize. I think it's

01:36:43.600 huge. Um, and yeah, let's go. Yeah. I really hope the results reflect that because I feel

01:36:52.320 a great deal of angst, dissatisfaction in the community. I can sense it. I can see it on

01:36:57.520 people's faces. I can see it in the way they hold themselves. And for the first time in a while,

01:37:04.160 people will have the opportunity to actually get together and do something about it,

01:37:08.080 to be a part of something, to be a part of a change, a fundamental change to kind of create

01:37:13.360 a new future for Australians. And so, like I said, I hope to see it in the results next weekend.

01:37:18.000 Absolutely. I think we have Deutschland Dan. That's who I see up next. And if you want to

01:37:25.600 put up your hands, guys, just so we can keep track of y'all. Thanks.

01:37:30.640 Keep it to 30 seconds, please. Okay. I'll make it quick. Blair, you mentioned that you'd rather

01:37:35.680 be an advisor than a leader, but if you had to, you would take on that leadership role if no one

01:37:40.080 else is filling it. How do you feel about having reluctant leaders? So those that lead because they

01:37:45.360 must not, because they want to.

01:37:51.360 They seem to make, in some cases, they make good leaders because then they're less motivated by

01:38:01.360 anything egotistical and they're leading out of duty or compulsion, like regarding duty.

01:38:08.560 But I'm not really sure. Look, we have good leaders in the Australian nationalist scene.

01:38:15.120 And I don't really consider myself, I consider myself as among them, but not really any,

01:38:21.280 one of the foremost leaders at this point. I mean, Joel Davis is like our foremost intellectual and

01:38:26.560 almost like a prophet. And Thomas Sewell is doing amazing work with his community building and his

01:38:31.920 activism. And so I just consolidate my forces and abilities with the work that these guys are doing.

01:38:40.800 And I see myself as a valuable asset for that reason. I don't really enjoy being in the spotlight

01:38:47.360 so much. It's not something that I get anything from. It kind of just, I cringe at myself. I mean,

01:38:52.480 I watch my own content back and I cringe at myself. I don't really like it, but you know,

01:38:56.640 it seems to have a good effect generally speaking and people seem to appreciate it. So that's the

01:39:02.720 reason I'm doing what I do now out of a sense of duty, put it that way. Like I don't even want to

01:39:06.720 do this. So like if I was to step up and really take on leadership position and be front and center,

01:39:12.880 like I was back in the day, like I've been there and I've done that. And I demonstrated that I can do

01:39:18.160 that, but I'm not a person with a long-term plan. I'm not a person that thinks far enough ahead.

01:39:24.800 I'm more of a trailblazer. I get things rolling. I get things started. And then I'm a good advisor

01:39:30.000 along the way. You know, it's funny. Cause I, I, I, I, I'm very similar in my way of thinking

01:39:39.440 about this. I don't particularly want to be doing this. I started doing this because I felt compelled

01:39:45.840 to do it. Uh, not, I, I enjoy my privacy. I want to win so I can just stop doing this. And it's funny

01:39:53.520 because I'm going to be a huge hypocrite here and say, like, I can see the necessity of Blair

01:39:59.280 Cottrell being involved in the political establishment in Australia with, you know,

01:40:04.160 a kind of triumvirate of Joel, Joel Davis doing the intellectual, Tom Sewell doing the community

01:40:10.400 building and Blair Cottrell being the public face interacting, you know, with, with the politics.

01:40:15.520 I think that's, that's awesome optics, uh, you know, massive bodybuilder, Blair Cottrell flexing

01:40:21.600 on the, uh, the HR ladies and the effeminate skinny dork males. I think that's something that,

01:40:28.400 that would be awesome to see in Australian politics, but I definitely empathize with it because I get

01:40:34.400 told that I should be involved in politics and I have no desire to do it at all. So I'm being a bit

01:40:39.440 of a hypocrite myself whenever I say that you should.

01:40:45.520 I was actually going to mention that. Yeah, I know. I heard you say that. I'm glad, I'm glad

01:40:50.640 someone can relate to me. Yeah. And I was going to say, I was going to mention that because I heard

01:40:54.000 Ferry say that the other day that he was kind of the same thing. So, uh, it was funny that you

01:40:58.160 mentioned that and I was thinking the same thing. I do. I still enjoy the fight, right? You do enjoy

01:41:03.360 the, um, the conflict. You do enjoy the controversy a little bit because it keeps you on your toes. It keeps

01:41:08.480 you sharp. It's kind of like training. Like when you're doing boxing training or weight training,

01:41:12.740 you're keeping yourself strong and sharp and being involved in the politics and the discourse

01:41:17.380 keeps you mentally sharp, keeps you up to scratch, up to date with what's happening.

01:41:20.980 And so it's a form of exercise in a way. And so I stay involved to stay exercised,

01:41:26.020 but, uh, only up and only up to where is necessary. I think is, is what I would prefer to be doing.

01:41:32.020 Awesome. Do you want to go to the next hand then? Do you guys know who was next?

01:41:39.380 I see Polly. I see Polly. There's a Polly. There's a Percy and somebody else. If you guys could put up

01:41:45.700 your hands, if you know how to do that. I see Polly's hand up. So let's go, Polly. Yeah.

01:41:53.700 Hey, can you guys hear me? Yep. Hey Blair, how are you? I've been following you for a couple of years. I

01:41:59.700 found you through the Agalon. Uh, I'm in Toronto, Canada. I'm a Polish immigrant came here,

01:42:04.500 came to Canada when I was eight years old. Um, quick question for you. Uh, I've just been

01:42:09.620 kind of listening to you guys for years now and it's ferryman as well. And, uh, just curious,

01:42:14.820 like, how do you guys see it? Like, how do you guys see this all turning around? Like,

01:42:20.260 are we going to need another kind of Hitler episode or like, what, what is the reality of actually,

01:42:26.420 you know, deporting these people out of our countries? Like, cause I, I don't actually

01:42:30.740 think that these, that's going to happen, like with the governments, the way they are and

01:42:34.580 the Jews in power, like how, how are we going to get to that point? Uh, you know, like what,

01:42:39.460 what is your prediction on, on also timelines for this and, and like, how, how can we turn this

01:42:44.980 fucking shit around? A critical mass, a lot of people, millions of people willingly, openly,

01:42:55.460 and proudly in support of Australian nationalism, their ethnic identity, having that sort of

01:43:02.500 consciously present in their mind as a priority in their lives and having the option, having someone

01:43:08.420 to actually vote for someone to take office and represent them officially. Right. That obviously

01:43:15.220 is the way forward. That's what we have to work on doing. We've been working on doing that since

01:43:19.380 the beginning, but we've been up against all sorts of state intervention and censorship, which is now

01:43:23.940 starting to recede. It's not so bad. And that's why I said at the beginning of this space, exciting

01:43:29.060 times, because we're back in the game. All right. Thank you. Awesome.

01:43:34.820 I would. Yeah. I think Blair summarized that well, but the, the answer that I like to give to people

01:43:41.700 whenever they ask a question like that is three words, it's organized white men. That is, that is

01:43:47.780 the answer to every time somebody asks a question of how do we do this or how do we stop X or, you know,

01:43:54.740 what are we going to do about, you know, this it's all, the answer is always organized white men.

01:44:00.820 Um, that's what it really boils down to. If we don't have that, then we can't do anything. And

01:44:06.020 until we get, as Blair said, a critical mass of organized white men, then it's just going to keep

01:44:10.500 happening. So a lot of times the way this question is asked is, or the, you know, I like to phrase it

01:44:16.820 like this, which is you have a lot of people that are standing around looking at a broken engine and

01:44:21.460 they can like, you know, there's all, there's all kinds of things wrong with it. And they're speculating

01:44:26.020 about how are we going to, you know, fix this, or how are we going to fix that? And it doesn't

01:44:30.980 matter because you don't have the right tools to fix the engine until you have the right tools

01:44:35.380 arguing about, you know, how you're going to fix it or what needs to be fixed. It's kind of like

01:44:39.700 pointless, isn't it? Again, like, and the, you know, the easiest way, anybody who has any kind of

01:44:44.580 like mechanical training knows, you know, what do you absolutely need every single time you need a 10

01:44:49.780 millimeter socket? We don't have a 10, we don't even have a 10 millimeter socket right now. Or if we

01:44:54.580 do, it's, you know, it's the only thing we have right now. So there's some, you know, rumblings of

01:45:01.540 this beginning in, in every Western nation, but it's still so in such an infancy state that until it's

01:45:09.940 more developed, like there's no real, the answer is get involved and join other organized white men.

01:45:16.500 Faith as well. You have to have faith. Don't be disheartened by, uh, what seems like failure in

01:45:26.100 the moment or not enough success fast enough. No matter what kind of setback we experience,

01:45:31.860 momentary defeats, you have to have an unshakable faith. You have to continue believing no matter what,

01:45:37.860 you know, victory in the end. That faith provides a certain sort of hope, which energizes you,

01:45:43.780 keeps you positive, keeps you ready to fight again and again and again, no matter how many times you

01:45:47.860 get knocked down. That kind of faith, that hope gives you a sense of self-respect in a strength

01:45:53.940 that other people can't help respect. You know what I mean? So it's, it's a contagious thing,

01:45:58.660 the faith, the hope, keep the faith always. Okay. I think we're going to go to the last two hands and

01:46:05.780 then we'll let Blair go. Uh, I see Percy. And then who was it? Soundstar? I don't know if your hand is

01:46:11.300 still up. I can't see, but yeah, that's correct. Go Percy. Yeah. G'day all. It's been a really, uh,

01:46:17.380 good, uh, good, uh, uh, podcast and, and listening to X. I've never actually spoken on, on this platform

01:46:24.180 before. Me and Blair come from Victoria. I'm, I'm a Victoria myself. And what was said before about,

01:46:30.420 you know, about decentralization and, um, and, and some of these, it's like I'm from regional

01:46:35.460 Victoria. And you can see that the real strength, for example, in the Second World War, we had lots

01:46:42.340 of different football teams around the place. And those football teams made the bulk of the

01:46:46.100 Australian Imperial forces and all our, all, all the breeding ground of all our men warriors

01:46:52.180 came from regional areas. With the way things have been, country towns, and Blair will tear this as

01:46:59.060 well. Country towns of Victoria have been beaten down. And that comradery of, of the many in those

01:47:05.300 areas have been absolutely obliterated. And now, you know, it's been in Australia, at least anyway,

01:47:12.580 there's been a promotion, this decentralization where you've got, you know, for example, the Indians,

01:47:17.300 and, and, and even now with TV commercials, you've actually got, you know, the, the promoting of

01:47:22.820 Indians bringing in our communities. I don't hate Indians by any means, but that whole thing is,

01:47:28.580 I'd rather be with us, the Australian that I knew growing up as a, as a kid. And that's been

01:47:35.300 ripped away from us. And, um, I've never seen so much palpable anger, especially in my area,

01:47:41.540 when new people come into our area, we're all in the beautiful part of Victoria, and they absolutely,

01:47:47.780 they, they shit all over the place. They, they drop their rubbish, they throw their lister up in the air.

01:47:53.540 And it's not so much shit they don't know. It's more that they hate us. Um, so they're just,

01:47:59.380 just, yeah, there's a certain, there's a, yeah, there's a certain observable arrogance within the

01:48:05.940 people that come into these regional areas, right? Where, as you correctly explained, they,

01:48:10.660 it's like they're doing it deliberately because there's a resentment there. There's a disdain for the

01:48:16.660 locals. It might be an inferiority complex. It may stem from that. They may subconsciously feel

01:48:23.060 inferior or guilty at the fact that they've come to our country because they feel like they have to

01:48:27.940 come to our country because they can't do anything practical or productive within their own country.

01:48:33.140 Right? So it's, um, don't worry. I know what you're talking about. Like I was woken up at two

01:48:38.020 o'clock in the morning, three nights ago, when I had work early the next morning, just by, uh,

01:48:42.580 Indians screaming in the street. I think a group of Indians were leaving the house of a family member

01:48:48.260 nearby and rather than leave, you know, quietly, modestly and politely because it's two o'clock in

01:48:56.020 the morning, they were laughing as loud as they could and carrying on and having a loud conversation

01:49:01.380 that lasted maybe 10 or 15 minutes in the front, uh, in the front yard and their children. They also had

01:49:08.180 their children with them, which would have only been, cause I looked out my window. I was,

01:49:10.980 I was considering going out there and asking them to be quiet, but I thought I'd rather just like

01:49:16.100 wait for them to go because I don't know how I'd react if one of them was rude to me. I thought it

01:49:20.980 would be best that I just stay out of that or keep myself away from that situation. But the children

01:49:24.740 were like, like eight and nine years old. And I'm thinking it's a, it's a school night. Like what are

01:49:28.980 eight, nine year old children doing up running around the street barefoot at two o'clock in the morning?

01:49:34.580 There are very strange people. We don't have a lot in common with them at all.

01:49:38.500 The noise pollution, the arrogance, the lack of regard for the environment,

01:49:43.620 for just basic social standards. There's, there's none of that going on with these people. And

01:49:49.940 that's what has the native Australians us. That's what has us, um, so frustrated a lot of the time.

01:49:56.580 It's not that we have any sort of particular bias against these people. Probably we're within our

01:50:01.140 rights to have biases, but it's not, it's got, it's not what the left and the government suggested is.

01:50:06.100 It's not just some sort of blind racism because they're a different color to us. That's ridiculous.

01:50:10.900 There's a long list of logical reasons why we're frustrated with the presence of these people in

01:50:15.940 our country. It's a completely natural thing to not want people like that living around your family.

01:50:21.700 It's a completely natural thing. And it's important to remember that.

01:50:25.140 I think that was a really good point as well about loving who we are and what we created

01:50:32.020 is a, is a huge driving force for us that we, we do need to focus on as well, as much as we can.

01:50:37.940 I think that was a really good point from, was it Percy? Okay. Yes. Sorry.

01:50:41.780 Yeah. Yeah. No, it was. Soundstar, do you still want to speak because you're next? I don't see your

01:50:47.060 hand anymore. And then we got Steve Hansen and then we're going to end it. Okay. So if you have something,

01:50:51.700 30 seconds, please sound star. Okay. Hi Blair. Um, I was just going to say with, um, getting back to

01:50:59.540 the politics thing, um, in reality, you know, in Australia, we've got a two party system and it's,

01:51:06.020 it's, you know, it's basically impossible, not impossible, but you know, close to, to get, um,

01:51:12.340 elected certainly to federal as either an independent or a member of a minor party. Um, so I was just

01:51:20.260 wondering why, um, I suppose nationalists in this country are putting aside the Jewish donors and

01:51:29.540 all that sort of stuff. Um, why nationalists would not want to say, join the liberal party,

01:51:38.100 because that's, you know, the centre right party. Um, and cause you need a structured party system

01:51:44.900 behind you to get elected and politics is about winning. Why there is a, um, hesitation for that,

01:51:51.620 because the rank and file members of the liberal party are a hell of a lot more right wing than I

01:51:56.660 think, um, that I've heard Joel and Tom, et cetera, think that they are. So I was just interested in

01:52:03.700 your opinion on that. I think a lot of the time, the boys are just so disdainful of official politics

01:52:11.700 and the two party system that they don't want anything to do with it. I do understand your

01:52:15.620 question though. And it could be a practical way of applying some sort of pressures of the

01:52:19.460 liberal party to get some sort of positive result for us. Uh, I think you'll find though,

01:52:24.660 the possibility of a third option coming forward in the near future. It's very real because

01:52:31.140 traditionally, as you know, Australians either vote liberal or labor. It's, it's like

01:52:35.460 national tradition. And usually you vote where you, how your parents used to vote or something like

01:52:40.180 that. It doesn't really seem like there's any point putting your vote anywhere else,

01:52:43.380 but because we're entering into territory that's completely unprecedented for Australians, for our

01:52:49.860 people, circumstances, uh, a standard of living that's going to be horrendous and living circumstances,

01:52:57.700 which really aren't going to be ideal. It's all going to be unprecedented territory. And what that

01:53:01.700 means is there's going to be a place for a radical new third option. Personally, I think that's what the

01:53:07.380 boys are holding out for. And I think that's what they have in mind. Well, I know for a fact,

01:53:10.740 that's what they have in mind. Uh, so, uh, it'll be more of that kind of like, uh, what the boys are

01:53:17.380 focused on is more of that revolutionary third choice rather than, uh, infiltration or pressure

01:53:23.540 on existing parties. But I can see your point and I, I don't personally know why I know some effort has

01:53:29.620 been made to do that in the past, but it's been met with a vicious resistance from inside the

01:53:33.780 liberal party on a couple of occasions. Okay. All right. Do you think that they'll be able to

01:53:39.220 get their park party registered? So I just know, I mean, look, I'm a liberal. I've been involved in

01:53:44.100 the liberal party for 20 years on the admin committee and stuff like that. Um, registering

01:53:50.020 a party is extremely difficult. And if the VC or AC doesn't want to register you, they won't. So do you

01:53:56.420 think that's a realistic option for, for the boys to register it? Um, if you do, if you put forward

01:54:04.100 the Senate, if you put forward the Senate candidate first, and if you've got like 4 million people

01:54:10.020 that are ready to vote for you, uh, if the AC at that point refuses to acknowledge your legitimacy as

01:54:15.940 a political option, then you just set yourself up as a new, but you build your own parliament.

01:54:21.380 You know what I mean? You build your own country, like fuck the AC, fuck a traditional process.

01:54:26.980 If you've got enough people, you've got enough support, you can do whatever you want. And so

01:54:30.100 building that support is at the center of what we're doing. Cool. Awesome. Thanks.

01:54:35.220 Awesome. All right. Last but not least, Steve, we're ending with you.

01:54:41.140 Okay. Well, got to give a shout out to big filth and the listeners based Aussie. Um,

01:54:46.340 Blair, you mentioned that people operate more on instinct or emotion than they do on, you know,

01:54:52.260 logic and reason, uh, which is something that GLR and uncle also wrote about. So what is both to you

01:55:00.740 and Ferryman, what is your go-to appeal to emotion when trying to speak to, you know,

01:55:06.340 the average person about why they need to be a nationalist?

01:55:10.020 Um, I keep things simple for a start. I try not to say too much.

01:55:18.900 And, uh, that can be frustrating for a lot of people who are producing content or trying to persuade

01:55:24.340 because if you're of the class of person who is thinking a little bit more than the average person,

01:55:30.260 then you're always going to want to say more than is necessary. So you have to condense your message

01:55:35.140 down and it's always clever to use analogies. And my persuasion techniques always differ depending

01:55:42.020 on the person I'm talking to and the situation I'm in. So it's a difficult question to answer.

01:55:46.660 It's not like I have this go-to strategy that I always use every time I talk to someone.

01:55:51.780 That's not how good influence works. Good influence is always kind of, um,

01:55:56.340 structured around circumstance and adapt, it adapts to circumstance.

01:56:00.420 But one general rule is I keep things simple and I keep repeating basically the same message in

01:56:06.100 different ways, ways that I determine will be most palpable to the person I'm dealing with,

01:56:12.340 depending on their stats, where they come from and what I'm getting from them. You need to be somewhat

01:56:18.420 feminine yourself in order to be good at persuasion, persuasion and influence, because you need to be

01:56:23.060 able to intuitively understand the kind of people that you're trying to persuade. You need to be able to

01:56:27.460 feel what they're feeling, relate to them. You need to have empathy. You need to be able to put

01:56:31.300 yourself in their position and think, okay, if I was this person, what kind of message would I be

01:56:35.700 receptive to? If I was that kind of person, what would I want to hear? What would I, what would be

01:56:40.100 the best way of persuading me? You know what I mean? So, um, it's, uh, that's the best way I can

01:56:46.100 answer your question, I suppose. I'm sorry if I can't give you like a, a strategy or like a written

01:56:51.700 strategy of how to actually influence people. It's, it's not really that simple. I can get

01:56:55.700 into this in more detail, um, uh, in a space of my own, I suppose, which I'll try to do more

01:57:02.580 regularly. And I have to be, I'll have to say, I'm a little bit sorry for not being so engaging

01:57:08.260 in this space. So if I haven't been so thoughtful, I literally slept all morning because it was the

01:57:13.220 first chance I got all week to sleep in. And I set an alarm half an hour before this space started

01:57:18.500 to make sure I woke up for it. Uh, so I hope I've been an excellent Indians in your front yard in

01:57:25.940 the middle of the night. It's totally fine. Well, and you kept three ladies speechless.

01:57:30.420 So I think you were doing pretty good. That's very good. Yes. Sorry. Did fairy want to reply to Steve?

01:57:37.780 I think he was going to, he's kind of had the question for you too. And then I mean, yeah,

01:57:41.540 Blair summarized that very well. Cause I would, I would agree with the majority of what he said.

01:57:47.300 The only thing I would add is that I don't waste a lot of time trying to convince people who

01:57:55.220 like, it's very difficult to push somebody over the edge when they're nowhere near it.

01:57:59.460 You know, for, for lack of a better way of saying it, um, you have to wait, uh, at least

01:58:05.780 to a certain extent for these people to come to you. And I found that the best way is to just,

01:58:11.620 I can think of one example in particular, but when somebody is espousing something that

01:58:17.540 is, you know, bordering on, on nationalistic kind of sentiment, which isn't hard, you know,

01:58:22.260 it's a very natural thing for people to feel. So they, they do engage in these kinds of sentiments

01:58:26.180 regularly. The best way to do it is to just validate how they feel about the situation and

01:58:33.140 then kind of nudge them, nudge them towards where they should go. And so like, I can think of one good

01:58:38.180 example of this where there's a large Canadian, uh, you know, freedom type Twitter account and

01:58:44.820 they were complaining about how, you know, they go into stores in Canada and, um, you know,

01:58:51.780 nobody speaks English and they can't even find a worker that's Canadian. And, you know, they were

01:58:57.140 doing the thing where, look, it's not, I don't have anything against these people personally, but like,

01:59:02.100 I just, and I just like, I can't remember how she worded it exactly, but all I said to her was,

01:59:06.900 look, you have a right to feel that way. Like you shouldn't feel like you need to accommodate,

01:59:11.060 you know, foreigners in your own country. You don't have to justify why you don't like this.

01:59:16.100 It's okay that you just don't like it. And it, that, that hit her. Like she reached out to me.

01:59:21.380 It's like, thank you for saying that. Because like, I, like, I realized that I am trying to

01:59:25.860 accommodate people that I don't even want here. And that I am justified in feeling this. So like,

01:59:30.820 just, just being there and like, just kind of reassuring these people when they have these kind

01:59:35.300 of natural responses to what's going on around them and then nudging them a little bit and be like,

01:59:40.740 yeah, do you see why this is a problem? Like that, that is kind of the best ways.

01:59:45.140 You can't force somebody to adopt your views. All you can do is, is show, you know, open the door

01:59:50.420 and hope they walk through it. So, um, this is why, like, I don't know. I, I just think you have to

01:59:57.700 find a way to meet people where they're already at and then guide them in the right direction,

02:00:01.940 I guess would be the way of saying it. Yeah. You want to say, I wrote about this. I just remember,

02:00:06.660 thanks for saying that because it reminded me that I wrote about this subjects a couple of weeks ago,

02:00:12.100 I wrote about how it's more effective to, um, demonstrate through suggestion and, uh, and

02:00:18.820 validation rather than arguing with people. And, uh, it reminds me of a war tactic and even the art

02:00:27.220 of war by Sun Tzu. Like when you're taking a foreign nation or city, you want to take it intact,

02:00:32.580 right? You don't want to destroy it because then what's the effort for, you don't want to be the king of

02:00:38.260 a ruin. And it's very much the same when you're trying to influence people, you want to take their

02:00:43.460 mind intact. You want them to still be a proud person who believes that they've come up with what

02:00:49.780 they're thinking as a result of their own intelligence, because then they're not going

02:00:53.460 to be so easily swayed or taken over by somebody else's thoughts as well. If you batter down the

02:00:58.260 person's defenses and you break their willpower and you get them to agree with you, it's kind of like

02:01:04.180 taking over a city that you've destroyed. It's, it's worthless because it's, it's not going to hold

02:01:08.820 up against anybody else or, or provide you with any sort of value in the future, right? So you want

02:01:13.620 to take the person's mind intact. And the best way to do that is not by battering down their defenses

02:01:20.020 in an argument and making them feel stupid. So you can feel smart. That's not how you influence

02:01:25.140 people. You do it through, you influence people through demonstration suggestion. And as you said,

02:01:30.820 just then you validate them, you validate them, you appeal to their sense of self-importance.

02:01:36.100 And the reason this is important to understand is because, uh, where a person's beliefs and ideas

02:01:41.140 tend to reside, it's not in cold reasoning, but it's within ego and human can see it's within their

02:01:47.540 own sense of their self-importance. It's within emotion and what they feel about themselves to be

02:01:53.060 true, what they would like to be true. So that's where people's ideas reside. That's why you can't

02:01:58.260 actually sway people with logic or facts. Like even when you present facts to some people,

02:02:03.220 they'll still reject those facts because it's not validating how they already feel about the

02:02:07.860 situation. So, um, yeah, important things to understand. Humans aren't logical creatures

02:02:13.940 most of the time, especially not ordinary people. You always have to adjust yourself to that reality.

02:02:18.580 That's an awesome way to end the space. That was some great advice. Does anybody,

02:02:23.060 do you have anything else, Joey, you want to, I wanted to say thanks so much,

02:02:26.100 Blair, for actually agreeing to do the space. We were really excited when you agreed to do it.

02:02:30.340 So I appreciate that a lot. I'm sure we all do. Um, Joey and base, did you want to say some last words?

02:02:37.620 I would just say thank you to Blair and Ferry. It was a great conversation. And I think

02:02:42.100 the way that postium based set this up to run in a streamlined manner is great because the more air

02:02:49.540 time we get from the main people that we need to learn from and listen to the better. So thank you

02:02:55.460 very much for that. Thank you everyone. Yeah. And I guess one last thing, um, Blair,

02:03:02.260 perhaps you could tell people like, as that you're a trainer, um, and I, I don't want to make you go on

02:03:08.980 again, but you know, something Ferry has said in the past is that you have to embody nationalism.

02:03:14.980 And it is like a physical expression, not only, um, like an ideology. And so where can people like,

02:03:23.140 if, you know, and there's a lot of people online who are feeling pretty shitty about how they are

02:03:28.020 coming across physically, where can they access your training, your like access you and, you know,

02:03:35.140 you know, buy your services, if you will, you know, buy a t-shirt, that kind of thing.

02:03:44.100 I don't sell t-shirts, but the first thing you can do for yourself, if you're struggling with

02:03:48.100 your health and making better choices is start hating yourself. Start, uh, not liking yourself

02:03:56.900 for the situation you're currently in. Stop making excuses and just look at yourself in the mirror

02:04:02.500 and start not liking it. You've really got to not like the situation you're in instead of excusing

02:04:08.820 it. Instead of coming up with excuses, you've got to look at yourself and be like, I need to change.

02:04:13.860 I need to do something about this. And you stand there in front of that mirror and look at yourself

02:04:18.820 for an hour. If you have to be disgusted in it, if you have to, whatever you need to develop that

02:04:24.660 motivation to want to change, to need to change, right? You've got to not like yourself for the way you

02:04:30.020 are if that's the position that you're in, right? And that will give you the motivation

02:04:36.020 that you need to change. And it's already in you. As I said in the space earlier, I think I mentioned

02:04:41.540 that most people already have the fire in them. Most people have the drive. It's just their own

02:04:45.780 self-doubt and excuses holding them, uh, holding them back. And through my online coaching, that's what

02:04:51.300 I try to teach and provide to people is just that motivation to get them moving. 24 hour check-ins,

02:04:58.100 help with diet, help with training programs, uh, regular catch-ups and zoom calls, just to keep

02:05:02.900 an eye on people and help them get across the line, help them achieve what they're trying to achieve.

02:05:07.620 It's meaningful work to me. And, uh, it's going to be something that I'm going to, it's currently not

02:05:12.180 that easy because I'm not so accessible. I'm busy still training clients physically, but I'm trying

02:05:17.620 to transition more into online coaching because it just seems better suited to my, um, my particular

02:05:23.460 skills. So, uh, I'm currently working with a couple of people who are experienced in this field to make

02:05:31.220 myself, uh, more accessible and make my survey, my services easy to access. So in the future, you'll be

02:05:37.700 able to find, um, you'll be able to find my services more easily just by following me on X or telegram.

02:05:44.900 And I'll be posting a little bit more about this kind of stuff in the future because as I said,

02:05:49.940 I'm passionate about it. And a lot of people need that, that motivation. They need that drive.

02:05:55.540 They've got the fire in them. They just have to want to change. And once they want it, it's just

02:06:01.620 easy to guide them. So yeah, that's the best way I can answer that. But Hey, thanks for the space guys.

02:06:06.180 Thanks for having me on again. I hope I've been, I hope I've been articulate. I just, um, it's one of

02:06:11.860 those days where I've just like, it's like sometimes when I know I have to do some sort of space or

02:06:17.140 recording or radio, like podcasts, it's like, I just can't switch on. It's better if I just like

02:06:22.020 do it on a whim because then I'm not like, uh, I don't know. I'm not like, uh, I don't have this

02:06:26.660 like pre-record anxiety, but today I just feel like it's so true. It's like I can get on a live

02:06:33.300 stream with myself or just the other guys and immediately just jump into it. And every time

02:06:38.260 it's with this, with somebody else and it's pre-planned, it, it, it takes like half an hour to an

02:06:43.620 hour just to sink into the conversation and acclimatize to it. It's weird how that is, isn't

02:06:48.980 it? Yeah, it is. If you hit, it's better to hit the ground running. Like I think from now on,

02:06:54.340 maybe I'll just like, I mean, the, the spaces I've hosted myself, I've just been like, you know what,

02:06:59.780 I'm going to do a space. And then like one minute later I set it up and it's live and they're always

02:07:03.620 the best ones. The ones that I'm like preparing for days prior and it's in the back of my head, oh,

02:07:08.580 I'm doing this space. I'm doing this space. There's this lingering anxiety and then it's,

02:07:12.420 it's harder to relax and just get into the swing of it. It's, it's weird how that works.

02:07:17.460 But, uh, yeah, but thanks anyway, guys, I've done the best I can to be interesting.

02:07:21.220 It was excellent.

02:07:22.180 Come on, man. Yeah. Sorry. We put pressure on you, but we, uh, we're grateful for your time

02:07:28.900 and, and giving us the opportunity to ask you some poignant questions. So we're grateful for that.

02:07:35.220 And thanks ferryman. You're a champion of this nation. We're grateful for you. Thank you,

02:07:40.820 Posty. Thank you, Joey. Thank you, Frank. Thank you, everyone who showed up in the listeners.

02:07:46.660 Thanks so much.

02:07:47.380 Thanks everybody. Awesome. Thanks again, Blair.

02:07:49.380 Thanks guys.

02:07:50.100 All right. It's recorded if you guys want to catch it later. See ya.

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postyX - November 02, 2025

ICYMI： Replay of our Interview with Blair Cottrell

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