postyX - Interview with Paul Fromm： The OG Canadian Nationalist

00:00:00.000 yo yo christine what's up here i'm gonna bring

00:00:19.740 i throw you a mic man

00:00:30.000 i got first there yeah man be posty to it i was trying to meet everyone i'm first

00:00:44.000 oh my goodness hello john oh my goodness i'm so excited about this all right so we're just gonna

00:00:54.060 have to kind of talk amongst ourselves while you know i'll see how paul's doing i told him to come

00:01:01.300 in a little bit early just in case there were any technical difficulties you know how it goes

00:01:06.720 yes you guys can hear me right you sound good babe okay great um i was talking to canadian girl early

00:01:15.960 on today and my headphones weren't working oh and she was getting so mad at me yeah well she's like

00:01:23.740 i can't hear you you know what when i use my phone if i use because i don't know the new iphones you

00:01:30.080 can't they don't well most phones now don't have a headphone jack anymore right that's it if i use

00:01:34.040 yeah if i use the adapter for my iphone and plug in corded headphones i like the speaker it always

00:01:40.400 sounds terrible that's right so it's like it's so annoying so yeah i end up either doing it on

00:01:46.200 speakerphone or just on my computer can you hear me now because uh this was uh you're good i can hear

00:01:53.980 you okay that's the headphone that was really bothering canadian girl earlier on so we've rectified

00:02:00.500 it yeah it's weird because it was it was like a lot of echo and just a ton of static and feedback

00:02:06.200 it's crazy well it's when csis is trying to overhear our phone calls

00:02:11.440 and know what bullshit we're talking about right

00:02:15.760 i'm excited about this guest

00:02:21.640 yeah i was reading a ton about i couldn't believe all the political like uh what do you want to call

00:02:30.940 all the different political avenues he's gone down like oh he's tried it's crazy

00:02:34.440 i hope we get like a beginning story sorry about that

00:02:42.940 yeah his origin story yeah i want to hear like the build up into the origin story yeah that'd be

00:02:50.380 awesome hey paul's running a little late he just i can hear him he's still in his vehicle

00:02:55.920 um he's like oh i'm one minute away so i'll i'll give him some uh i'll give him a minute but we can

00:03:03.800 chat like i like this panel here hi steve hansen how are you

00:03:07.940 okay that good

00:03:12.880 you gotta um you gotta press the mic button steve if you want to

00:03:18.440 you want to talk steve you're gonna have to undo the mute button

00:03:23.200 do you know what's funny by the way if you go and listen to any of those jayon spaces

00:03:26.880 right every single speaker who comes up has some sort of difficulty with trying to talk like can you

00:03:32.420 hear me i'm like you know you have to unmute and like it's just it's so funny

00:03:37.520 it's the indians right jayon's you're yeah saying yeah the indian spaces those are so freaking

00:03:44.160 painful i but they like every speaker he has to tell him like no we can't hear you go back down and

00:03:49.420 come back up or you're happy you have to unmute and like he's just incredibly patient like i don't

00:03:54.520 know they they can't figure it out no he seems like a really sweet man and these are the people who

00:03:59.820 we've hired to like run all of our computer shit right yeah

00:04:03.280 and to give us uh yeah instructions on how to fix our computer problems too that's the other thing

00:04:11.740 when they don't even know how to speak english it's kind of you know

00:04:15.400 yeah we also brought in the dirtiest people to serve our food make that make sense

00:04:19.920 oh my goodness okay christine wants to get on a whole like i hate indians tirade

00:04:25.440 i'm always ready for that i'm here for it all right you have the floor tell us in like

00:04:32.460 two minutes or less why canada should not have any more indian immigrants go

00:04:38.640 well that's a hefty loft um they the um i actually saw an article there was like this bc

00:04:46.760 uh what is it transportation minister uh he basically shut down an entire fleet of uh semi

00:04:55.100 trucks because i guess they went over and over like they were headed towards a bridge and i guess they

00:05:00.000 had their bucket up or something i don't know but they hit it and he was like what kind of like

00:05:04.320 craziness is this and like how can you not have the basic intellect to to be able to

00:05:08.480 navigate this right so you do that a lot even here in ontario they do that a lot that entire

00:05:13.840 company is is like down right now uh that trucking company so i sent him an email and i said you do

00:05:19.280 realize like they have an iq of 76 or 74 and like they're technically retarded by canadian standards

00:05:25.920 they are retarded you've put retards behind 80 000 pound vehicles to run around our city and endanger

00:05:33.300 our people so and just so you know going forward if you reinstate that company and allow them to

00:05:38.820 drive you're letting retards drive but like leave it to you to contact you know like the health minister

00:05:45.940 or transportation minister and start with iq you'd be like okay like right out of the gates let's just

00:05:52.240 talk about 76 iq okay this is the it's relevant it's huge and and they they know that too they just

00:05:59.400 don't want to you know what i mean so it's nice to remind them i think you need to remind them instead

00:06:02.780 of you know going in there and saying well we just don't like them because they stink or whatever

00:06:05.960 like using actual facts that you can back up is i think a great idea i mean if we like hypothetically

00:06:12.040 if we just got rid of all the retards except for our own obviously we have an obligation to our own

00:06:16.680 like me you know um but like you know if we got rid of all of the retards right um from like you

00:06:23.720 know if you're below uh 80 you're gone right like that would just clear out like at least what 75 80

00:06:29.960 percent then we could go with in my opinion we could go with the nationalism of like well do we

00:06:35.920 really need these like 90s here either like you know but i mean like at least let's get rid of the

00:06:40.380 retards come on how are retards bettering our society i don't get that how is retards driving

00:06:46.280 gonna help um well like you know we did that military space last night and like there is an

00:06:54.640 iq standard right and it's 85 because below 85 they can't um you know take apart and reassemble a

00:07:03.560 weapon there's like there's too many moving parts there's too many steps involved and because they

00:07:09.620 would take them as dumb as they possibly could but 85 is their limit in order to get 85 is dumb

00:07:16.200 as shit well we know the state of our military now jesus christ 85 yeah no it's low but that's

00:07:24.860 as low as they can go that's as low as they can go in order for them to make the guns go pew pew

00:07:30.760 but um that's it you know and they're not the smartest guys they're not going to be getting

00:07:36.680 promoted that hard they should also not let any browns in the army oh my gosh that was like

00:07:43.280 the programming is really hard in the military they really civic nationalism them really hard

00:07:50.100 you're nationalist but you're a civic nationalist and you know um you know and i was like uh drew from

00:07:57.600 veterans for freedom he was really simping for koreans in the canadian military and he's like

00:08:02.740 they're honest they work hard they do this and i'm like okay so koreans like i'm willing to make a

00:08:09.380 small percentage if we have to have a small percentage of browns we will give them some

00:08:13.560 some chairs at the table all right but we are dealing with an onslaught of indians and working

00:08:20.240 hard and intelligence um or being honest is not one of their redeeming features especially the honesty

00:08:29.280 part you know they are so dishonest the koreans could be good people and we're not saying they're not

00:08:34.820 uh but go good be good people in korea i mean you know they mandatorily have to serve in the army in

00:08:40.400 in korea so go enjoy your army duty in korea what the fuck why are you here steve you can jump in any

00:08:47.800 timing yeah white power ladies i just didn't want to interrupt um to the point about you know 85 being

00:08:56.040 the uh low end cutoff on iq the average iq of the american negro is i believe 84 um and

00:09:04.660 somehow they still get into the american army and um with the koreans yeah they're they're much

00:09:11.300 um more likable than say the uh the indians but a big security concern is allowing the chinese in

00:09:20.000 and who's to say that the koreans would be more loyal to canadians than they would be to the chinese

00:09:26.320 if you know if push came to shove so i see them by extension as a security threat because yes i mean

00:09:34.400 they could easily be won over to the allegiance of the chinese i mean well like i'm the koreans hate

00:09:40.040 to the to the germans than the chinese right right and i mean the koreans have a long-standing

00:09:45.380 rivalry with japan and so does china so enemy of my enemy is my friend and you know more racially

00:09:53.040 similar who's to think that the koreans wouldn't side it with the chinese if you know if pressured

00:09:58.320 if bribed um and then yeah we don't know the 85 iq sorry go ahead no i was just saying we don't know

00:10:06.600 the pressure that you know china could put on south korea or whatever right like that's the other thing

00:10:10.700 like just because they're you know not caving to the pressure now who's to say china the chinese

00:10:15.320 couldn't do something and they probably would

00:10:16.640 yeah and then with the uh the 85 being the cutoff it's like i don't know how there's any indians in

00:10:25.600 the army right now but again it's probably 85 if you're white and then you know we'll just look

00:10:32.980 the other way for everyone else i mean they've completely gutted military standards like any

00:10:38.240 standards from the canadian military right like basic training is not what it used to be i'm pretty

00:10:43.240 sure at this point i had higher standards when i was in the army cadets and what basic training has

00:10:48.600 in the canadian forces today i believe that honestly i do i believe that when he said that

00:10:54.800 there were a bunch of middle-aged chinese women that were like enrolling enlisting to join the military

00:11:00.920 i'm like what the hell can you imagine these like little boomer granny chinese ladies trying to

00:11:07.580 well my thing is how would that yeah like how is that not a red flag

00:11:10.700 literally literally a red flag yeah with the stars yellow stars on it yeah totally

00:11:17.840 oh my gosh so funny um yeah i know that was a good conversation it was good to chat with the

00:11:25.240 chat with the boys um yeah i i talk with uh circulon and drew a lot anyways but

00:11:32.240 uh you know and like drew is clearly a civic nationalist and not a white nationalist but

00:11:39.520 that's okay you know we're uh we're willing to work with our white brothers who haven't quite

00:11:44.120 come over onto our side yet it was good like i said i think it was good for people to hear what

00:11:49.680 the military you know used to be like when it was at a somewhat decent standard and those guys had a

00:11:54.980 lot and then some of them were more recently um discharged right so that was also good to get

00:11:59.460 their perspective on the difference well and again with the military they very much preach that we

00:12:05.200 all bleed green so that's something that you have to you know work against um but if if you're at

00:12:12.900 civic nationalists i mean you're kind of halfway there just there's there's a ways to go for anyone

00:12:20.120 that doesn't know the term civic nationalist which i think is inherently an oxymoron um because

00:12:26.900 nation is a people uh civic nationalism was coined by hans cohen in 1941 hans cohen by the way if

00:12:37.600 anyone doesn't know happens to be jewish

00:12:39.640 shocking i'm pretty sure there isn't civic nationalism in israel but they preach it for us

00:12:49.920 that's that's like many things right that is uh like immigration that's not common in israel either

00:12:57.580 so

00:12:57.960 no it's emigration in israel like either flee to western countries or we kill you

00:13:06.380 like don't don't they aren't they similar to the middle east and where they bring in like you know

00:13:11.740 indians and like a few of them just to do the real shit jobs there but they're like not citizens

00:13:15.800 i don't know if israel does that as well i thought i heard that but

00:13:19.200 we want paul yeah i'm i'm doing that on the we're just waiting on paul yeah everybody like you

00:13:32.940 guys carry on um you know continue with your racisming and yeah so if we're a little boring

00:13:38.460 right now just give us a few minutes

00:13:39.700 christine i want you to do your racism stretching do you like racism lunges and um steve's always

00:13:49.180 ready to go he's always ready to go he's locked and loaded with his racism so uh yeah carry on i

00:13:55.740 will just keep uh chasing no you know what i'm my computer is just it's just having fun with me at

00:14:03.900 this point it's all these stupid little glitches and i have the i have this restreaming on gorm tv

00:14:09.600 shout out to everyone on gtv 38 people there and um for whatever reason everything works fine on

00:14:16.980 twitter but they're like can't hear anything oh i can hear this space but i can't hear steve and

00:14:22.040 i got it fixed now oh yeah because sometimes when you're streaming it when you talk you can't because

00:14:27.940 that was happening to me when i was recording our i was recording our spaces every time i spoke you

00:14:32.720 couldn't hear me and i think it's because you have to change the mic settings or something

00:14:35.560 yeah i don't know something happened after i last updated my operating system and ever since my

00:14:45.060 sound settings are just i constantly have to be on top of them and uh yeah it's fun it's fun

00:14:52.080 now i'm trying to get windows up and going on a separate hard drive on the same pc

00:14:56.520 and that's giving me headaches and yeah it's lots of fun computers are fun

00:15:01.820 do you see the struggle we have to be nationalists it's just not easy

00:15:06.060 and then you get reporters following you taking pictures of you eating

00:15:13.160 yes that's a you know canadian girls had that experience recently you can you want to share

00:15:17.860 that with us canadian girl i think i think people think i'm a bigger deal than i am and i'm like well

00:15:23.400 i guess that's a bit of a compliment but like seriously and nobody in the movement and all of a sudden

00:15:27.860 like you know reporters are stalking me and taking photos of me going on doing stuff right and i'm

00:15:32.480 like oh i was doing stuff oh no you finally made it you're famous there's an article i'm like she's

00:15:41.460 eating look that was the news story that was like worthy of journalism that's crazy brought up oh good

00:15:49.740 oh yeah

00:15:50.480 hello all right paul are you here

00:15:57.920 you um paul you have to uh undo your microphone it's a um the microphone toggle you'll have to

00:16:06.060 click that on and off um and oh you just had it okay yeah let's just do you hear me yay we can hear

00:16:15.520 you great great thanks for coming paul i know you were like rushing around tonight

00:16:22.560 when you yes i was up to a protest in uh in shelburne and of course the driving wasn't the best and

00:16:30.680 uh then i did a uh an hour on the uh blood river radio in um in memphis tennessee

00:16:37.780 paul you are absolutely unfrigan stoppable and i guess i want to just say that to the audience who

00:16:49.640 don't know paul from paul from was like born in 1949 that's right yeah were you not born in um

00:16:57.520 bogota in colombia yeah in bogota colombia and just in case anybody thinks i'm despicable

00:17:04.740 um actually my uh my dad was in the oil business a canadian i might point out i thought you were

00:17:12.200 throwing spic in there um but uh despicable but yeah but you were born two canadian parents i

00:17:22.220 that's right yeah we met well we met um i guess you were doing a little speaking engagement in

00:17:29.380 ottawa that was one time we actually had a chance to to talk and you told me a little bit about your

00:17:36.020 parents sort of ancestral background can you tell me a little bit like remind me again the ancestry of

00:17:42.020 your parents yes my um my mother's side we're from uh we're french canadian and we traced our lineage

00:17:50.560 back to about 1650 so um you know i'm a uh a long time real canadian on my father's side uh we're german

00:18:02.380 and uh uh liverpool irish and uh on my father's side we've been in this country since 1912 i think

00:18:14.460 okay okay so you're legitimately canadian i will oh yeah passport very good um and so you grew up

00:18:23.880 in small town ontario is that correct no no i i grew up in um in etobico the uh it's just a suburb

00:18:32.460 the in the extreme west end of uh of uh toronto and um it's a it was a solidly middle class area and

00:18:41.420 uh i'm running there in the provincial election for the canadian's choice party um uh we have our own

00:18:50.700 ideas about uh getting back to the uh what members of parliament were supposed to be uh parliament of

00:19:00.000 course comes from the french uh parlement or place to speak and originally in britain members of

00:19:07.740 parliament uh were elected by the electors in in their particular writings to represent the people

00:19:16.100 in the writings and what's what's happened uh beginning in the late 18th century is was the

00:19:22.120 formation of parties and uh uh you know certainly the way it's practiced in in ontario now and in

00:19:31.820 canada a party leader is practically a dictator so you've got to do what the party leader says

00:19:38.100 say what the party leader tells you to say and uh uh you know if that conflicts with what the people

00:19:45.740 in your area are saying uh yeah you just better shut up um and so our platform is to go back to the

00:19:54.400 original although we're a party to get on the ballot um uh the the responsibility of the of a member if

00:20:02.060 if we get elected is to find out what uh people in let's say etobico center want so uh uh it's easy

00:20:10.120 now to do internet surveys uh uh town halls uh uh you know and actively solicit people's opinions like

00:20:19.840 what's on your mind what's the big issue here it might not be the same issue you know the the next

00:20:26.360 writing over so that's what we're uh we're striving to uh to do and uh i ran in 2018 in that writing and

00:20:36.040 uh i got almost a thousand votes so um see how it turns out well that's what i mean when you're

00:20:42.320 unstoppable um so you're nearing or approaching the age of around 75 is that correct right

00:20:49.660 and so i don't know what anybody else's excuse is when you just go and go and go and go and go

00:20:56.160 and you've been doing this going and going and going for probably i don't know if you just sort

00:21:02.880 of you know ran out of your home when you were a child and never actually stopped or how that worked

00:21:09.220 but i i told you that when we were talking i kind of wanted to go decade by decade um yeah and

00:21:15.160 and see and see where we get because i know that there are some really exciting decades in there

00:21:20.100 that i want to cover um so 1950s you know between zero and ten was the in etobicoke was that like happy

00:21:28.940 happy childhood happy parents happy well it moved to etobicoke in 59 uh i'd i'd been brought uh brought up

00:21:37.900 for the first uh well for i guess about seven years in scarborough uh but uh etobicoke was a a new

00:21:46.820 experience a lot of new friends i did a lot got to i was very studious and did a lot of reading a lot

00:21:52.720 of reading of history and um um so uh the the main take from that period uh was uh uh i had a big

00:22:05.480 interest in fidel castro and particularly because my parents were nearly killed in boga in in colombia

00:22:13.040 in 1948 i think there was a big rebellion by the communists in in colombia and uh fidel castro was a

00:22:26.120 uh you know a young lawyer i think in cuba but he came and joined what was called the

00:22:32.040 la bogatoza or the the bogato uprising and my parents got caught in a crossfire between

00:22:39.360 uh the the communists and government troops and uh so uh i was nearly not here uh thanks to fidel

00:22:48.360 castro they unfortunately they were not hurt but it was a pretty scary time so i learned all that in

00:22:54.480 the 50s well little do we know what canada's connections would be to fidel castro as time went on

00:23:01.540 right that's an interesting connection um okay so you went to you went to university i believe and

00:23:09.080 you studied english did you not get it yeah english language and linguistics if you got a master's did

00:23:16.300 you not get a master's degree i did yeah master's and uh uh b a and b ed uh my my one of my first

00:23:24.500 you know public uh political uh political activities was when i was in grade 13 in 1966

00:23:31.740 um uh our school had been part of what was called the model un i don't know if they still have that but

00:23:40.600 uh the various high schools in toronto would meet at the university of toronto i if i recall correctly

00:23:47.960 once or twice a month on a sunday afternoon and each school would take uh uh a country and you know

00:23:59.000 you try to learn what the country believed in and you'd represent yourself in at this model un

00:24:04.700 well it was the final session uh in in i think it was may of 1966 and i i knew where it was our school

00:24:14.640 was no longer participating but um i thought well i'm going to go down there and raise a bit of hell

00:24:20.300 so it was it was the general assembly and i got up and said i represent white independent rhodesia well

00:24:27.640 they went crazy uh today i would have been lynched and of course somebody called back to the school

00:24:35.940 and complained against me but you know those were actually much more tolerant in liberal times

00:24:41.800 uh the pretty the priest at the school call the principal called me in and said oh we had a few

00:24:48.880 phone calls yeah you were creating a bit of a hell down there uh uh well maybe you should not do that

00:24:56.800 for the next well i would have another uh month and a half in school so i could easily promise that

00:25:03.120 and i was the class valedictorian today i probably would have been expelled i i would certainly not have

00:25:09.580 been allowed to be the valedictorian and these priests were really quite liberal you know it wasn't

00:25:15.860 as though they were uh old-fashioned conservative um but that that's hard to believe but those were

00:25:23.220 actually much more tolerant uh times today if a student pulled that uh he well at the very least

00:25:32.800 would be disciplined probably expelled and certainly would not be allowed to be the class valedictorian

00:25:38.900 they likely would and then they'd have like a smear campaign launched against them so yeah

00:25:45.100 so that was 1966 yeah okay so 1960s um what did you think about the hippie movement that was happening

00:25:57.020 sort of coming out of the united states oh just detested them and detested the draft dodgers

00:26:02.860 we were getting a lot of draft dodgers so uh when i got to university i heard about a group called the

00:26:09.980 um um friends of radija association so i joined and i was uh you know i was obviously one of the

00:26:19.200 youngest members there most were former africahans um not all i mean some were anti-communists like

00:26:30.160 myself or uh south african or or whatever but uh i i but i i met some very interesting people

00:26:38.420 and then in um in uh uh march of uh 1967 which of course was our centennial year uh i uh i and two

00:26:51.720 other people men formed the the edmund burke society and uh for five years we were uh quite a radical

00:26:59.580 group we we we wanted to um uh to uh take an active role in politics not just you know i i would

00:27:09.660 i've been part of a couple of groups that were you know they sat around and they talked and philosophized

00:27:14.480 but uh they didn't do much well this was the time of the the protests against the war in vietnam

00:27:21.020 so we got the bright idea that we'd go down to the united states consulate at the same time

00:27:26.360 that the the reds would did and we counter protest well boy did that ever cause a lot of trouble

00:27:33.680 uh it got a lot got us a lot of notice and we decided that look for the cost of printing

00:27:41.660 uh lettering up a few signs we can go and basically steal half their publicity uh that they've spent uh

00:27:51.740 they would have two protests a year one in in april or so and one in october and they would work for

00:27:59.100 months uh putting up posters and getting endorsements from other pro-communist groups like the women's uh

00:28:06.780 can he uh women's uh strike for peace in the and various uh left-wing churches and uh they go in a lot of

00:28:15.580 trouble organizing we would get a group of well between 15 and 100 together uh go and have a counter

00:28:23.020 protest and and you know basically uh uh capitalize off their their publicity and one of the things we

00:28:33.020 wanted to do uh which would be more difficult today is we wanted to use uh to get into the media as much

00:28:40.380 as possible to show people that there was active opposition to well like to communism and to related

00:28:48.860 things and that actually worked reasonably well for a while and then you know we started getting smeared

00:28:55.180 the same way uh i i would well if you're reading off wikipedia uh the pretty much the same way i would

00:29:02.620 um but uh we we uh and we were learning at the time i mean uh none of us had had a uh i mean very

00:29:13.740 few of us had had any experience in publishing anything or even organizing meetings i mean we we learned

00:29:21.820 it all as we went along and uh our initial couple of newsletters were printed on an old mimeograph machine

00:29:32.620 now that that was a you would type a stencil um that that was uh had this kind of an ink on it and

00:29:45.020 then you would put a liquid that was alcohol based and uh you would uh run it off i mean today uh you

00:29:54.380 would use a super photocopier and that's what your printer would use i mean the the technology is just

00:30:01.500 coming off a long way well then after a few months we graduated to a gestetner which is the same sort

00:30:07.660 of thing you type a stencil and uh yeah you run it off uh but so we were learning uh and one of the

00:30:15.900 very interesting things that you know i only began to appreciate as time went along but it was um

00:30:22.540 uh not very long after we got our initial publicity i got a call at my room at the university of toronto

00:30:32.860 and it was a a man who identified himself as ike erst well that sounded a lot like the name of a

00:30:41.500 of a person i was at michael power high school with but it wasn't uh uh erst uh was a spy uh for the

00:30:51.500 jewish groups he would eventually would become part of the jewish defense league and right from the

00:30:56.620 very beginning they were snooping around you know who's who what are you up to uh and then he showed

00:31:04.460 up with his wife uh who uh they tried to you know we we had a governing council and we had a monthly

00:31:11.660 meeting and she they for years for about three years tried to get elected to the council and

00:31:16.940 uh many of our people were not all that conscious about jews but enough were and we were attracting a

00:31:26.700 lot of young east european people and uh they knew the score and uh they never got elected but they

00:31:34.700 they were uh uh ike erst uh we were he attended one of the part of the parties we held and he boasted that

00:31:43.900 uh back in israel before they got independence in 1948 that he slit the throat of a of an english

00:31:53.420 soldier now i i don't know if that was just empty boasting but the the violence trailed these people

00:32:00.860 i think about 1975 uh they were murdered uh uh ike and celia erst a-i-r-s-t and i and the case is never

00:32:11.660 being solved uh uh uh but that that was uh uh you know like right from the very beginning uh they

00:32:22.140 were snooping uh uh on our group but uh and we were we were learning as as we went along

00:32:32.140 so okay so that's mid-1970 so in 1970 okay from what i've read um you started the canadian friends of

00:32:40.700 rhodesia right no no no i joined i didn't start you joined you didn't start it and it was so what

00:32:49.180 what kind of got you alert to the situation in rhodesia what were you reading i'm kind of going

00:32:56.700 because the i'm sure the propaganda at the time was not particularly supportive of white rhodesians oh no

00:33:04.380 no we were we were among the most hostile nations outside of the communist bloc uh canada you know

00:33:11.420 goody two shoes canada oh we're against racism our leaders were very ignorant of what what had gone on

00:33:21.020 in in rhodesia and uh what got me interested was reading the daily uh papers and finding out there were

00:33:29.580 strong pro-rhodesian groups in uh in britain and then i found out there are ones in canada and of

00:33:36.300 course i learned a lot from uh the old africa hands many of them who had been in rhodesia or

00:33:42.700 came from south africa or uh you know had african experience and i learned a lot in the edmund burke

00:33:50.540 society we were trying to um we're trying to uh uh unite anti-communists who were interested in action

00:33:59.740 rather than just talking and we were we were able to pull together a group that was mostly younger

00:34:07.020 people but not entirely uh so we were we were kind of well represented over the age bracket and we

00:34:14.620 expanded to other parts of canada we for a while had active groups in in ottawa in montreal in

00:34:22.700 edmonton um but our main area of activity was uh well it was toronto and we became quite notorious the

00:34:33.020 the uh uh the the daily tribune which sorry the canadian tribune which was the weekly paper of the

00:34:41.420 pro-moscow communist party of canada regularly denounced us as east european fascists and called

00:34:49.100 on the government to ban us and uh and so on and uh one of the interesting uh you know as we moved

00:34:56.780 from the 60s into the 70s uh in april 1970 uh there was the 100th anniversary of lenin's death

00:35:05.900 that's right uh birth for lenin's birth and um so uh we bought tickets and we sent about uh uh maybe

00:35:18.380 25 or 30 people into the lenin banquet meanwhile outside the lenin banquet uh there were about a

00:35:25.340 hundred of us and hundreds and hundreds of ukrainians and others protesting so there was a a protest outside

00:35:33.020 but and they didn't know it there was going to be a protest inside so uh i don't know if it was a

00:35:39.420 soviet ambassador or somebody else but at some point in the evening during just after the the banquet i

00:35:48.860 i think it was after the banquet got up and said to vladimir ilyich lenin and one of our guys jumped up

00:35:55.900 and said may he rot in hell and threw his glass down and then there was a riot inside uh fighting all

00:36:03.420 over the place and uh one of our guys got stabbed in the back and uh uh he recovered but it was um it was

00:36:12.220 mayhem and well you should have heard the denunciations after that in the communist party's paper

00:36:17.980 um so we we developed uh quite a a reputation for action

00:36:27.660 that's amazing um so another thing that they cover in your wikipedia smear page which um it impressed

00:36:37.660 canadian girls so much uh but we were i'm wondering how does it tie into they say you were connected to

00:36:44.300 the christian identity movement where does that tie in well not for not for a lot long uh farther on

00:36:53.660 the christian identity um i i'm a i'm a fairly regular speaker for pastor tom rob and i'm on his radio

00:37:05.260 show and he's christian identity uh christian identity um uh i'm not christian identity incidentally but

00:37:13.420 um believes that the european people are descendants of the ten lost tribes of israel

00:37:21.420 i don't believe that but uh some people do um but they'll uh you know i have a background in

00:37:28.940 linguistics and you know one of the arguments is look at dan the danube well that comes from dan

00:37:35.420 the tribe of dan in the old testament actually it doesn't come from the tribe of dan it it has nothing

00:37:41.900 to do with that uh but uh but the christian identity um is very concerned about our our white roots in

00:37:53.420 from in from europe uh they are very uh decent clean living christians and uh so i've been uh you know

00:38:03.820 involved with them without being one uh for for several decades uh and particularly pastor tom rob down in

00:38:13.340 harrison arkansas and uh uh well we had connections with the british israel people in them in canada when they

00:38:23.260 they were still fairly uh they were still fairly uh strong uh and and but it's uh i would say they

00:38:30.300 were allies but i am i'm not british israel or no you're not so okay so like you were just sort of

00:38:42.540 let's say in more of a supportive role like i noticed in your wikipedia page they were just sticking anything

00:38:48.940 to you right and and speaking as though being an a part of an anti-communist movement was a bad

00:38:55.340 thing right yeah you were agitating leftists as though that's a bad thing um and so they spoke to the

00:39:01.900 christian identity now they also bring up they said that you had connections to i think steven maybe steve if

00:39:09.660 you if you're ready to step up we're we're talking about they're talking about connections to the clan in the united states

00:39:15.900 um did you have connections there what like i'm wondering how this white awareness in you started

00:39:23.020 growing because it was clearly developing um but i'm wondering how did you meet these people what was

00:39:30.140 the story around that well i met lots of people at uh at uh conferences even in the edmund burke society

00:39:38.700 days we started developing uh contacts in in the united states and um we went to a big peace and freedom

00:39:47.580 march in in washington dc in the spring of 1971 and developed a lot of contacts um

00:39:55.900 uh so i got to meet a lot of people the the the the smear artists at wikipedia like to um uh make what

00:40:12.380 they call links or connections embellish sometimes a link is uh nothing more than you're in the same room

00:40:19.420 as somebody else um uh i've uh you know uh been at many conferences and shared the the um uh the

00:40:28.940 platform on numerous occasions with the representative dr david duke who was in the clan uh and tried to

00:40:37.580 lead the clan into more more modern times in the early 70s he uh gave that up in 1973 which is like

00:40:45.740 52 years ago uh in fact he's he's once jokingly said or more than once said he thinks he'll change

00:40:52.620 his name uh to uh uh add another first name it's former kukok's clan leader and then that's that'll be

00:41:02.700 his first name david duke uh because the the media will will uh that is just like a tag even though he

00:41:11.820 hasn't been in the clan for for you know since uh i think in 1973 um uh they they will never do the

00:41:20.460 same uh for for extreme left-wingers like uh um uh pierre elia trudeau uh was virtually a communist he uh uh

00:41:32.060 led a uh a delegation to an economic conference in moscow in 1952 well you you didn't just

00:41:41.740 pop into moscow in 52 and you didn't lead a delegation unless you were very much approved

00:41:48.300 now i'm not saying he was a member of the party uh but uh he had a lifetime uh of uh sympathy with

00:41:56.380 communism in 1959 he and his pal uh jacques bear who went on to become the head of the i think the

00:42:04.620 company of young canadians which is gave a lot of money to left wing groups and later on became a

00:42:10.780 a senator he the two of them went to china at the at the peak of the so-called great leap forward

00:42:19.340 which was such a catastrophe that probably 30 million chinese died of starvation

00:42:26.300 and now just ruined things like uh he noticed that that birds um ate uh you know the seeds of grain

00:42:37.820 well okay what we'll do is we'll kill all the birds well they they would send their fanatics out into the

00:42:45.820 fields and try to kill the birds or bang gongs and until the birds became uh half crazy and fell to

00:42:53.500 the earth and could be killed well what happened the next year uh well there were no very few birds to

00:42:59.500 eat grain but but there were locusts the the birds or had had you know kept some of the the the parasites

00:43:10.140 down and uh now that they were mostly killed uh i mean it was a terrible time but uh the trudeau and

00:43:19.340 a bear came back uh and we and wrote a book called uh uh deux innocents en chine or two innocents in china

00:43:27.740 well they weren't innocents they thought mao was doing a great job he was a great agricultural reformer

00:43:34.220 they were either absolutely stupid and i don't think that's the case or really pro-communist and um

00:43:43.180 trudeau uh had a lifelong um um uh uh admiration for uh fidel castro and uh in 59 not long after

00:43:57.180 castro came to power he tried to paddle a canoe believe it or not uh from the from florida to uh

00:44:04.620 uh to um uh to uh cuba you you wonder well what wouldn't he just take a plane well he got picked

00:44:13.100 up by the u.s coast guard and uh sent back but um uh yeah you know i mean he was uh but but if you read

00:44:21.980 uh uh uh his uh uh books about him or autobiography or i mean biography there'd be there'd be nothing

00:44:31.820 about this or virtually nothing and you got the impression well you know his big uh contribution

00:44:38.460 was uh uh uh uh was uh uh uh you know the uh repatriating the constitution and the charter of

00:44:47.660 rights and freedoms and blah blah blah blah blah blah but but uh uh wikipedia does not apply the same

00:44:56.780 standards to us uh uh you know uh you will basically just a big big smear sheet here um

00:45:05.900 steve i want you to jump in there babe

00:45:10.140 well it's pretty obvious why they won't apply that same standard because communism is the product of

00:45:16.140 karl marx who was born moses mordecai levy and uh the chinese communist party had um help establishing

00:45:24.940 itself particularly financial help from israel shapiro um but i did want to ask because tom rob

00:45:32.300 was brought up and with all due respect to the identity christians you know i'm not convinced that

00:45:39.100 europeans are the lost tribes of israel i am a pro-white christian um and i certainly

00:45:45.820 respect all the non-christian whites who are pro-white um but i'm curious if you ever had any

00:45:52.140 communications with pastor richard butler another identity christian uh i don't believe so but um

00:46:00.940 um a person who's quite close to us uh john ross taylor did and uh he would go every year to uh

00:46:11.180 uh hayden lake uh uh idaho uh and talk about the dedication of this guy um he'd get on a bus

00:46:21.980 and and and go across the continent of the continent well almost across the continent um

00:46:29.100 so uh i knew of pastor butler uh i i don't believe i ever had communication with him i know i never met him

00:46:35.500 um so basically like you know there's a lot of smearing of your name and i i did i did want to get

00:46:45.500 into that about what it's been like for you because i really get that you were super anti-communist

00:46:55.180 and and yes like it gets you fired up right and i can only imagine how fired up you were at 22 years old

00:47:02.060 um when it came to communism um when it came to communism and uh but you were also sort of

00:47:09.180 developing a white consciousness you know you were recognizing that uh maybe patterns of anti-white

00:47:15.820 hatred that were fledgling in in the you know the greater narrative in the media in academia you were

00:47:24.620 starting to see that um and then you know so like the media did come after you now you do have a long

00:47:34.780 history of running in politics and uh i noticed that i don't know if you'd said something that you know

00:47:42.460 behind the scenes to somebody and that made its way into the mainstream uh mainstream media and they ran a

00:47:51.100 very significant smear campaign against you and called and started calling you all those names right that

00:47:57.820 we've all been yeah the the media for the most part is very lazy and since the since the uh development of

00:48:08.620 the internet and uh uh uh and the uh uh you know wikipedia uh often uh a reporter won't you you won't even

00:48:21.020 call you yeah like the first thing you'll know is somebody says oh you got mentioned on on so and so

00:48:27.980 like the uh the canadian canadian anti-hate network which is massively funded by the liberal government uh liberal uh

00:48:36.060 uh uh uh uh did a profile on me uh late last week uh for that i'm running in in the tobico uh center

00:48:46.700 and uh you know call me a neo-nazi uh uh congratulations we've all congratulations we've all got one of those

00:48:55.740 articles steve has an article i have a article like it's good you know it's a rite of passage um so

00:49:02.060 congratulations yeah and and uh uh uh there's uh uh there's not a lot you can do about it uh i tried

00:49:12.540 at one point to get on uh wikipedia and uh okay you can change something but the change only lasts uh uh a day

00:49:23.020 or two and and then it's everything seems to revert back to what it is so um uh you know

00:49:32.300 it may be a bit fatalistic but i think you know if a reporter is that lazy and dishonest they won't

00:49:39.500 even call you to say well it says this what's your story there because i think uh uh good um

00:49:48.140 well a journalist uh know that wikipedia is uh not everything there is is true and uh uh uh

00:49:56.620 uh uh uh but but anyway the when the canadian anti-heat network did this little smear piece

00:50:04.060 on me uh uh about a week ago that they never called me you know they never called and said what is it

00:50:11.100 how would you describe yourself in uh proper journalism a person is allowed to identify

00:50:18.860 themselves you know supposing you formed uh uh the what within the town you live uh concerned

00:50:26.940 residents okay so a reporter is supposed to come to you and say well well what are you all about i mean

00:50:32.700 what what what's that group your group called what are you uh uh and you you should are supposed to be

00:50:40.380 able to say well we're a group of people concerned about uh uh uh well let's say the uh uh

00:50:45.340 uh uh uh the trap of the uh uh you know the traffic humps uh uh or uh on this street that are you

00:50:53.980 know damaging people's axles and so on uh he should not say and uh this group is is a group of communists

00:51:02.700 or a group of uh of neo-nazis or they do that with us uh uh uh uh uh you know i'm very seldom asked

00:51:12.060 well how would you describe yourself and i would say well uh i'm a i'm a populist uh i'm uh i lean

00:51:22.140 toward libertarianism and i'm concerned about preserving the european founding set for people

00:51:29.020 of this country and you i think you were asking well how did you become racially conscious well i guess

00:51:34.300 i always was up to a point uh you know i'm i was only uh uh uh 17 and i'm already pro-rhodesia but

00:51:46.380 we began to have the massive third world immigration um in the early 70s they they changed the law back in

00:51:54.540 65 which is exactly the same year they they changed our flag from the old red end sign to the well what you

00:52:02.860 have today because they had to get rid of that flag because if they were going to change the country

00:52:08.380 that flag is a reminder of our european origins and incidentally in 1965 that was the year uh they

00:52:16.380 they stacked a royal commission uh into hate propaganda and two of the seven members of the uh of the

00:52:26.940 royal commission on hate propaganda were were had been presidents of the canadian jewish congress

00:52:33.420 who represent uh less than one percent of the population so it was a stacked committee which eventually

00:52:39.660 um brought forth a report saying we need uh you know anti-free speech legislation which

00:52:47.580 in 71 became the hate law and uh uh you know it was all part of a plan uh uh but by by by the early

00:52:58.220 70s when we brought in the ugandan asians and then later in the 70s the so-called vietnamese boat people

00:53:05.740 uh and then large numbers of people from uh uh from jamaica we began to see changes in our cities and

00:53:14.940 then you know that a lot more people were were concerned about immigration well of course it was

00:53:21.180 still very white compared to today but um that that was how i became uh how immigration became a much

00:53:29.660 bigger issue uh as the 70s and as the 80s wore on than it was uh back in the edmund burke society days

00:53:39.340 so just a note on that hate commission um it was uh minister of justice guy pharaoh appointed a the

00:53:51.100 commission which was led by maxwell cohen no coincidence and also had saul hayes and bore alaskan

00:53:59.180 among the seven members so there's really um three jewish members and bore alaskan was later a head

00:54:07.020 chief of justice for canada and i believe she was on um on the he or bore alaskan sorry he wasn't he a um

00:54:20.780 a judge in the case against um paul keekstra in 1971 yeah

00:54:28.140 and also around that time they were um actively like irving himmel and some other you know um leading

00:54:39.020 some other jewish advocates um were campaigning against property conveyances like dresden ontario

00:54:46.620 was a big target of that um i'm i don't recall that uh i'm sorry it was 81 that the keekstra

00:54:59.500 case happened my yeah keekstra was uh uh was uh 83 uh no wait a second what i'm sorry what happened in

00:55:09.100 the keekstra case i'm i'm not tracking that well jim keekstra was an alberta school teacher and um he

00:55:16.780 taught um he taught uh well you know a pretty honest uh view of history um uh with the you know

00:55:26.540 considerable attention to uh uh world war ii uh to uh uh the the jewish role uh or the malicious jewish

00:55:37.580 role in uh in in politics over the last few centuries well he did that for a couple of years

00:55:44.540 finally somebody complained and they took it to the media and uh um uh there was all hell broke loose

00:55:54.060 and uh he was uh eventually fired then they took his teaching certificate and then under jewish lobby

00:56:02.620 pressure the federal the uh the government charged him under the hate law he was one of the first not

00:56:09.500 the first but one of the first cases and uh this time uh there was a real battle he had a young

00:56:17.820 victoria lawyer a really uh great guy uh doug christie a good friend of mine and uh they put up a tremendous

00:56:26.300 fight they went to the supreme court twice and in the end basically it uh it all fizzled out he was

00:56:35.180 convicted and he was he was sentenced to um 100 year 100 hours of community service the uh jewish lobby

00:56:46.140 was furious they wanted jail and um well then keistra waited around a few months and thought well geez

00:56:54.940 that they ought to be calling me for community service so he called uh well we'll get back to you

00:57:00.460 he thought well maybe they'd have him you know read to old folks or read to kids or something like that

00:57:06.300 and uh in the end he he he never did a single hour of community service i think they were too afraid to

00:57:13.420 set set him loose in the community even reading to kids uh but uh you know in many ways it ruined

00:57:20.300 his life he he lost his job he lost his uh teaching certificate uh he would he had been mayor of this

00:57:28.300 small town called eckville he he was not reelected to that uh and uh uh yeah you know yeah and of course his

00:57:38.380 name was blackened uh through uh through through the media and uh i knew a lot of his supporters and

00:57:46.620 the group well i we formed this group uh just about that time that was called the canadian association

00:57:52.940 for free expression which still exists and we'd um we'd uh uh raised money for him and uh uh you know

00:58:03.500 i got to know him and and know many of his supporters have very he was a very very deeply committed

00:58:09.980 christian and um this um a bad combination of being a deeply committed christian and being a stubborn

00:58:18.540 dutchman uh you know he when he believed in something he was going to uh stay he was going to stand up for

00:58:26.460 that uh you know a more cautious or frightened person might uh might say oh well i'll keep it well for you

00:58:33.500 i'm glad that frank has come up yes welcome i i wanted you to join and um okay you've got your hand

00:58:40.700 up so come on in yeah thank you hey paul it's a pleasure to meet you um this is interesting i'm glad

00:58:47.580 you are speaking to you know this new generation or actually several newer generations i had a question

00:58:55.340 for you paul real quick did you know uh tom metzker personally uh no uh i did not know him

00:59:03.340 person you know okay so i mean if you're asking me do i know who he is yes but i did not know him

00:59:09.180 personally yes sir yeah yeah yeah i'm uh some of the guys and everybody in the in the space or a lot

00:59:15.180 of them you kind of know me so i'm leading into something else paul um okay so i want the young

00:59:21.420 people in here to know when i first really kind of turned the corner um into something that i've

00:59:29.260 dedicated my whole life to uh paul and a whole crew of other men like earn zundell cake straw uh

00:59:36.300 john ross taylor these guys were already you know very much in the mix in canada so we had

00:59:42.700 reason why i asked paul about whether he knew tom's because you a lot of you guys know that i you know

00:59:48.460 my center of gravity was with a certain type of people but paul really um and and don't take this

00:59:56.700 wrong paul but i mean it is what it is so compared to me and my comrades you know you represented

01:00:02.940 somewhat of a very academic conservative you know political kind of a system whereas we were a little

01:00:08.940 bit more rambunctious because i'm younger than you and so on so forth but i want everybody to know in the

01:00:14.860 space men like paul from earn zundell um doug christie um john ross taylor there's a whole lot of names

01:00:25.420 that a lot of americans didn't know about but i was fortunate to know and know somewhat of what

01:00:32.540 mr from was going through so it is it is good that these young canadian uh men and women are listening

01:00:40.220 to you for the first time i see that you just opened an account i don't know if that's your very

01:00:45.420 first time or you had problems but just hang in there paul and there's probably a lot of these young

01:00:51.420 people that really require the evidentiary um history that you can provide for them uh for

01:01:00.700 canadians because as a lot of the younger guys like steve knows um myself and in the men that i

01:01:07.820 associated with we had a lot to do with some canadian men who represented in my mind very very patriotic

01:01:16.780 canadians uh back in the day but they were not mainstream they weren't you know like yourself and

01:01:25.020 maybe not zundell although he was mainstream in his own strange way but uh after uh christie

01:01:31.820 pretty much started taking his case that's when it pushed me over the edge when i saw how you guys

01:01:37.900 were being treated unlike us americans in those days you know late 70s or early 80s when they started

01:01:45.180 that human rights commission i knew you guys were cooked and you know sure enough the usual suspects

01:01:51.900 the communists bolsheviks whatever you want to call these guys they have literally destroyed your

01:01:57.260 country i watched this almost from ground zero and on so i'm really glad to see you here paul and

01:02:05.260 you know just carry on well thank you very much uh uh you're right about the uh there are two basic

01:02:14.300 ways they can come after you uh for free speech legally um one is uh the criminal code and that's

01:02:22.940 uh section 318 which is promotion of violent of uh of uh genocide against a privileged group but it's

01:02:31.420 not as simple as it sounds you you know you can transgress that uh without necessarily saying uh

01:02:39.580 kill over you know whatever uh and then there's section 319 of the criminal code also also part of

01:02:45.660 the hate law which is uh uh uh willfully exposing to uh uh willfully promoting hatred against a

01:02:56.220 privileged group that would be uh race religion sex sexual orientation sexual mixed-upness uh and so on

01:03:04.380 uh that they can send you to jail uh the other way the other thing are human rights tribunals

01:03:13.180 um like the federal human rights tribunal um uh find a lot of people and put subjected them to

01:03:22.620 lifetime gag orders for for comments they made on the internet which were likely to expose to hatred or

01:03:31.580 contempt um any of the usual privileged groups and i argued a number of cases uh for people who didn't

01:03:39.580 have the money for a lawyer and uh uh we we found uh for instance what is likely you know is a comment

01:03:48.780 likely to expose a group to hatred or contempt well you know if you're a pessimist uh you know it's

01:03:57.020 probably going to rain tomorrow if you're an optimist it's likely going to be sunny uh likely is such a

01:04:03.180 loosey-goosey term uh and uh in those cases they they didn't have to prove anybody had ever been moved

01:04:10.780 by your comments uh to hate uh uh you know or have contempt for a group the other you know weasel word is

01:04:19.740 contempt uh well contempt is really having a negative opinion about something uh so uh if i say to you um

01:04:30.780 uh justin trudeau is a lightweight uh uh you know spoiled rich kid with some radical ideas

01:04:42.140 uh well if you believe me i guess you might have think less of him and that's contempt well so really

01:04:48.220 what it meant was any critical comment about uh about privileged groups and uh i came to the

01:04:55.980 conclusion you simply couldn't win a case that the only uh argument uh there might be a winner would

01:05:01.980 be i didn't do it i didn't post it well you know usually it was not not controversial you you obviously

01:05:09.260 posted and so um yeah now that got the eventually uh in 2013 that got uh that was called section 13 got

01:05:22.460 repealed uh uh and uh the the radical left and the jewish lobby has been trying to get that back up

01:05:31.660 ever since and they nearly got it with a wicked piece of legislation called bill c63 but

01:05:38.700 that died on the order paper when trudeau prorogued the house so uh sometimes we won we won one

01:05:47.820 unfortunately um even you know it's dead in the water for right now but even if there

01:05:53.900 is a conservative government after the election uh pierre polyev has said before that he would

01:06:01.740 introduce his own common sense version of said legislation so i you know i don't i don't know

01:06:10.060 whether i don't think even with his own party he could get away with something as wild as that now

01:06:16.700 but they might put something uh uh something in yeah

01:06:24.940 okay paul well the name ernst sundell came up and perhaps you could tell the audience

01:06:30.060 who ernst sundell was and how you developed uh like a friendship with him yeah okay ernst um sundell

01:06:40.860 was a graphic artist he came to canada when he was um uh 20 in 1958 he uh first came to montreal and

01:06:52.780 to montreal and then to toronto he uh he uh established a very lucrative graphic arts business

01:07:00.940 um he um uh was uh often did a lot of work on the old sears catalog the older people in the audience

01:07:11.260 may remember that uh there was a time when um instead of shopping on the internet most

01:07:17.180 households would get this big thick catalog from uh eatens and from sears anyway he did a lot of

01:07:24.460 that type of work and did very well um uh he is it was original originally a believer in the

01:07:32.940 in the uh so-called holocaust but he uh he learned from a man in in montreal named

01:07:41.820 um um oh my gosh this is terrible uh uh uh a fellow being interned during the second world war

01:07:53.820 uh and uh he earned said uh uh that he he learned from him what it meant to be a german he was taught

01:08:01.580 he was taught pride and taught an awful lot of things uh uh uh so uh after he'd been in toronto for

01:08:11.020 a number of years uh along came the series called the holocaust and a lot of people had pretty much

01:08:18.700 forgotten about world war ii but that created a tremendous wave of anti-german hatred and

01:08:26.780 very ignorant school teachers and i used to be one not ignorant but a school teacher many people are

01:08:32.780 frank quite frankly lightweights well they would be saying and the german people uh you know massacre the

01:08:39.580 jews and the german people uh gas the jews and and push poor little heidi and hans would be to come

01:08:46.140 home in in tears and sometimes they were actually even singled out by uh by teachers as a well your

01:08:52.860 people did this or that and uh so the ernst was seen in the german community as a as a man with

01:09:02.140 good english and good communication skills he's a graphic artist so he a lot of germans look to him to

01:09:09.420 uh uh uh you know to help them in this case and uh in this situation so he uh he started uh

01:09:21.020 parents of german uh descent and uh they would go to school boards and ask for fair play uh they would

01:09:28.620 uh pick at uh movies that were anti-german and they got a lot of publicity um uh and um

01:09:36.540 um um sent uh uh tens of thousands of copies of a of a book called uh a booklet called uh did six

01:09:48.380 million really die and which poked holes in the conventional story of the uh uh of the uh travails

01:09:59.980 of jews during world war ii and uh that caused just a a tremendous uh furor at at one point

01:10:09.900 ernst for about a year lost his mailing privileges uh it was really totalitarian um they never went

01:10:17.180 after him under the hate law because truth is a defense and that's very interesting so they dredged up

01:10:25.180 an old law called uh fault promotion of false news so they charged him and he couldn't get a lawyer

01:10:34.300 the lawyers by this time were really scared you know they uh and with the rising power of the the

01:10:40.220 jewish lobby uh the few lawyers were wanted to have anything to do with with something controversial

01:10:47.500 like that something mundane like a murder no problem but uh uh and along came doug christie

01:10:54.460 uh and uh doug christie represented earns through two trials um um and uh uh he he lost both but

01:11:05.020 then it was appealed to the supreme court and got the law tossed out the law was never meant uh for uh

01:11:14.220 for historical questions uh the law dated way back to the early years of the of the 19th century

01:11:25.420 and had been um uh used to try to prevent people from committing fraud like you know if you could

01:11:35.020 spread a rumor uh that uh uh that there was a glut on the wheat market in in england the the wheat

01:11:44.220 is a surplus it might make many uh canadian farmers sell their wheat cheap well if it's a false rumor

01:11:52.140 uh some sharpie uh buys the wheat cheap then goes and sells it in england uh at a huge markup and

01:11:59.100 and makes a fortune so it was a commercial law it was meant uh you know basically to to prevent fraud

01:12:07.100 uh uh and uh the supreme court through it out but uh it it it was a battle that cost

01:12:15.820 or earns millions and millions of dollars uh uh a poorer man uh would have been uh just destroyed

01:12:27.020 you know you know in most cases your defense runs out when your money does

01:12:31.740 yeah that's how they're beating a lot of people now it's lawfare right yeah did you want did you

01:12:38.780 want to say something steve yeah just to put it out there there's a channel on odyssey.com which is

01:12:45.500 spelled o-d-y-s-e-e.com called the ernst zundel video collection and so a lot of zundel's work is still

01:12:54.380 on the internet thanks to that channel including i think all of his voice of freedom broadcasts that

01:13:01.900 he used to do on tv and there's also a very interesting stream by devin stack called the

01:13:09.020 leuchter edition which is about fred leuchter who was a um engineer that built execution systems and

01:13:16.700 uh examined the you know death camps in uh in um poland and germany to try to find evidence of uh

01:13:27.340 cyanide residue and warned zundel before he was hired like hey if i find evidence you know i'm going to

01:13:34.460 testify the truth and um concluded that there was no such evidence yeah and i don't know where

01:13:43.420 you're calling from and you don't have to answer the question but in in the police state of canada

01:13:49.180 today we are a uh we are a theocracy we have a state religion but it isn't christianity and it isn't

01:13:56.380 islam it isn't paganism it's it's holocaust uh it's a criminal offense to um uh to deny or diminish

01:14:07.660 the holocaust the so-called holocaust um it's blasphemy

01:14:14.540 it's like blasphemy paul yeah it was blasphemy it's like a a theocracy where um yeah you know like

01:14:21.980 in iran i imagine if you say something vulgar like the ala socks or something uh that's blasphemy

01:14:29.020 and you could probably uh suffer a serious penalty um and uh while there is freedom of religion actually

01:14:37.900 in iran um there is a state religion so uh you know other religions have to be kind of quiet uh uh you know

01:14:47.980 not not uh and certainly not directly uh uh attack islam uh but well that's well that's what that's

01:14:54.700 what it's like in canada um very few people know that but that was a uh that was a motion brought

01:15:00.940 forth by a stupid conservative mp from saskatchewan it passed uh uh no i think it was a i think it got

01:15:10.700 through second reading and then trudeau put the same thing into his uh uh his omnibus

01:15:18.460 budget bill so this anti-free speech piece of legislation got tacked on to the uh a budget

01:15:25.580 bill i believe it was three years ago um uh but i've been a free speech supporter um well since we

01:15:35.180 founded the canadian association for free expression in 83 but even before that i i would the old edden

01:15:42.380 burke society was very active in opposing uh the introduction of the hate law we learned an awful lot

01:15:50.140 more since that time uh at that time the argument was simply about free speech uh uh but um we found

01:16:00.380 out that uh the science and the uh uh the uh well the apparent growth of the canadian nazi party were

01:16:11.420 all farces uh the uh uh when the when the uh royal commission on hate propaganda was considering its um

01:16:21.260 uh you know what what should be done about hate propaganda they had a major problem there wasn't

01:16:26.780 much hate so-called hate propaganda and what there was was or the odd little broadsheets uh imported from

01:16:33.900 the united states so we we still had a fairly good anglo-saxon respect for free speech so there didn't

01:16:41.500 seem to be much need for it well they they got a a a an assistant professor uh uh of psychology at the

01:16:54.300 university of toronto uh named uh frederick kaufman and he did a uh report uh that uh hate propaganda uh

01:17:05.420 had a terrible effect that uh uh it it made the uh people that were being criticized that it made them

01:17:13.100 afraid uh it made them want to drop out of society it made them want to uh uh maybe drown their sorrows in

01:17:22.380 in in in alcohol or drugs and that was the scientific basis that they based the report on

01:17:29.500 well fast forward uh many years uh to the uh early 2010s when we were fighting the canadian human rights

01:17:40.620 commission uh we got a uh a professor who was actually being a draft dodger named persinger

01:17:47.500 and he was up at lakehead university and he was he was an expert on on these types of things and he

01:17:54.940 provided a tremendous uh paper and testimony that um that that uh uh uh uh kaufman was it was out to

01:18:07.660 lunch he said well at his in his time in this early mid-60s what he wrote was

01:18:14.700 and he phrased it highly speculative which is a polite way of saying uh you know you tell me your

01:18:22.140 dreams and i'll tell you mine but he said today with what we know uh from your neuroscience how

01:18:29.500 how the brain actually works we know he i think he said it was bullshit but anyway very close to that

01:18:35.500 that it's just nonsense so the hate law was based on scientific nonsense and just to kind of refute what

01:18:43.180 uh kaufman said uh the the uh the reaction of people to he said i won't use the term hate propaganda he

01:18:52.620 said i will use the term aversive language so that's any language that's critical of your group

01:18:58.220 well there's he said there are basically two reactions one you pass it off as nonsense yeah

01:19:04.060 it's crazy it's laughable don't pay any attention or you get angry and say oh boy i want to refute that

01:19:10.220 i'm going to you know do it write a pamphlet or put something up on the internet or whatever and i

01:19:15.740 in either case no harm done uh well the the story got even better as the years went on and we because

01:19:25.980 in 1965 suddenly there was a something called the canadian nazi party led by a young 21 year old

01:19:33.980 canadian named john beaty and it had a couple of marches and uh got an awful lot of publicity in

01:19:40.620 the city for about six months in the toronto papers you know uh john beaty uh uh could be whistling and

01:19:49.740 it would be front page news beaty will march beaty will defy the law beaty will this beaty will that

01:19:55.660 uh and uh and so what that did was create the impression that there there's a menace a nazi

01:20:03.340 party and it's being led by young guys they're not old east europeans or old germans it's it's

01:20:09.180 attracting young people oh my god uh well here's the real story uh john beaty was sincere well he was

01:20:17.180 he wasn't he wasn't john beaty used to hang out at the uh social credit party headquarters on

01:20:23.660 one on young street and these were mostly old guys who were into social credit and as an economic

01:20:33.420 system and they would sit around for hours debating social credit then i am i am a social creditor but

01:20:40.700 uh i'd have to say whenever you get uh two social creditors together you get three different

01:20:47.260 interpretations of what it means but anyway and so beaty is a young guy 21 and

01:20:53.260 uh so uh he uh oh he kind of liked this but he wanted action i mean sitting around with the

01:21:01.980 old guys talking about the ins and outs of social credit uh didn't quite do it for him so he recruited

01:21:07.420 a couple of other younger people from that group but the jews had spotters in there and i was trying to

01:21:15.100 figure out okay who's got money here who doesn't who's uh a potential leader who is just a follower

01:21:21.260 well anyway uh they befriended beaty and beaty's big uh weakness was beer so they apply him with uh

01:21:31.820 with uh uh jugs of beer and uh they said well what are you thinking of doing john well he said uh i'd like

01:21:40.300 to um i think i'll have a protest outside the u.s united states consulate against the communists

01:21:46.220 which is of course what we would do uh uh about a year and a half later uh well what what flag are

01:21:53.500 you going to have well the union jack is like one of john beaty's interests like forever has been

01:22:01.660 something called the british people's league so he's very proud of being british oh no that's nobody's

01:22:07.100 gonna pay attention to that these jews said to him no you've got to have a swastika that will get

01:22:12.700 attention now you might wonder how could anybody be so stupid but these were more tolerant times

01:22:18.940 yeah i mean he he didn't really like the idea but they convinced him it was swastika so okay uh

01:22:28.300 and then uh uh a week or two later two young guys show up and and they say well you're going to need

01:22:35.900 uh stormtroopers you need young guys to protect you well they'd even gone down to malabar which is a

01:22:43.340 theater uh supply place and uh they got um i think it was brown shirt uniforms but anyway some uh national

01:22:53.020 socialist uniform and uh and they well these two guys they're two young jews and then another guy shows up

01:23:01.900 uh and his name is uh uh garity and uh he is a private detective working for the canadian jewish

01:23:12.300 congress but he says to me uh well you're going to need security i mean i i'm good at uh uh you know

01:23:18.860 i'm a private detective i can um uh i can find out who's who for you who potential members are well

01:23:26.540 yeah he found out and the information goes to the canadian jewish congress so um uh he john beattie

01:23:35.420 said he was going to march in allen gardens which is in downtown toronto and the the day of the big

01:23:42.540 march uh beattie of course he's poor he comes on a streetcar uh his body his uh head of security

01:23:51.340 the the the uh uh private detective doesn't come the the two young student storm troopers are nowhere

01:23:57.660 to be seen there are one or two supporters there's a crowd of five thousand jews in allen gardens and

01:24:05.260 some jew who would later go on to harass urn sundal a guy named lawrence came out of the crowd waving

01:24:12.300 a set of binocular pair of binoculars a crack beating uh just uh at the temple and the doctor would

01:24:19.820 later say if it had been a uh half an inch one way or the other he could well have died so anyway

01:24:25.660 he's lying bloody and knocked out police throw him in the paddy wagon and um that began to be the end

01:24:33.500 of the canadian nazi party because uh uh suddenly uh the the publicity got turned off because but by now

01:24:43.340 uh you know there have been enough publicity to to to create the impression there was a nazi party

01:24:49.420 there really is a danger we need a hate law and uh uh the the final demise of the nazi party came a

01:24:57.500 few months later uh the uh private detective said uh you've got to take the war to the jews

01:25:05.180 so uh beattie said oh how do i do that well he said i have a list here of the homes of some

01:25:11.500 prominent jewish leaders so what you do is you've got to take this sign the and i forget what was on the

01:25:17.820 sign but you know but you've got to hang it on the on the uh on the uh door handle that was very

01:25:25.980 important well the law the way is the way it stood at that time if you just left the sign on the uh on

01:25:34.540 the porch or on the step that's just you know pamphletary if you hung it on the doorknob that was a

01:25:43.180 uh uh trespass now the law must have been changed because i've stuck many a a door hanger for elections

01:25:50.940 on on doorknobs and it's no longer a problem but anyway first house fine that was done second house

01:25:57.900 okay third house justice beattie is coming down the driveway the headlights go on uh and there are

01:26:04.940 police there with their guns drawn uh get on the ground you fucking nazi baba and uh and so he he was

01:26:12.460 ended up it ended up he was sentenced to six months in jail and that pretty much killed the canadian

01:26:18.940 nazi party which basically had been set up by the the jews to create the appearance of a of a danger

01:26:27.420 and that's what that's what eventually got the hate bill the uh the report of the of the uh royal

01:26:35.100 commission on hate propaganda got it uh in into print and it took another uh six years but eventually

01:26:44.220 became law again under pierre trudeau oh yes trudeau was also a member of the royal commission on hate

01:26:49.580 propaganda uh it it's a weird old world i should just mention because i am a canadian citizen of course i do

01:27:01.500 not deny the uh ihra's official narrative of the holocaust well of course of course i i'm sure uh uh

01:27:15.180 but my way my answer to that is um uh let me see whatever this holocaust thing is um it didn't happen

01:27:26.620 to canada in canada it didn't happen to canadians and whatever it was canadians didn't do it in fact

01:27:34.620 canadians fought against the people who allegedly did do it so as the country and western singer

01:27:40.860 travis tritt says here's a quarter call someone who cares yeah it's not my uh my position it's not my

01:27:48.860 tribe's history uh my tribe has had a lot of suffering uh it doesn't interest me i i won't deny it or

01:27:56.940 i don't care and i think that is a really healthy attitude and it's an attitude a lot of younger

01:28:03.580 people as in under 40 according to recent public opinion polls uh show a lot of younger people have

01:28:10.940 that it's such ancient history uh it just doesn't doesn't bite even though they've heard about it about

01:28:18.620 100 million times in the education system what they do see is uh you know on on the social media and

01:28:26.380 even in sometimes in the lamestream press that they see uh the atrocities in gay in gaza they see uh

01:28:34.380 young kids blown to bits buildings pulverized uh uh it looks like uh berlin after at the end of the

01:28:41.740 second world war and who's doing that well the people doing that are the people who have long

01:28:47.500 been the professional victims you know uh ever since world war ii what gave the jewish lobby a lot of

01:28:53.580 strength was victimology uh we were victims uh did i mention sex melee oh did i mention uh uh auschwitz

01:29:02.220 uh you know oh poor us uh and a lot of you know well-meaning or soft-headed uh uh people who didn't

01:29:09.580 know much of european history that fell for that you know they're victims okay we got to give them

01:29:14.780 special privileges with a hate law uh yeah we've got to support israel uh and and so on but with with

01:29:22.060 people under 40 that is uh that that feeling is uh is rapidly changing and dying out uh since

01:29:31.260 the events of october 6th steve you want to jump in there yeah well and i mean i am a free speech

01:29:38.620 absolutist i you know don't think that uh there should be any limits on you know reasonable speech

01:29:46.380 like outside of um you know direct incitements of violence um and i often find it interesting that

01:29:53.580 one could deny the genocide in ukraine the holodomor which killed anywhere from five and a

01:30:00.540 half to 11 million ukrainians or you could deny the genocide in russia but there's only

01:30:08.300 there's only there's only one genocide that is illegal to downplay or deny in 18 countries and

01:30:15.260 you know i'm of the belief that the truth doesn't fear any scrutiny and yeah you know to your point

01:30:21.500 about the um the changing attitudes of younger generations um there's a recording of uh jonathan

01:30:29.260 greenblatt the leader of the anti-defamation league of benai breath in america saying that um you know

01:30:36.940 the the the tick tock needs to be banned because anti-semitism isn't a left or a right issue it's a

01:30:46.220 old and young issue the young people um you know by and large are um are not buying into these uh

01:30:54.780 narratives that have been perpetuated

01:30:56.540 uh oh yeah the uh uh you know as a free speech uh supporter um uh we've long uh pointed to the uh

01:31:10.460 the jewish lobby groups so you know the adl in the states the center for israel and jewish affairs here

01:31:16.700 b'nei breath uh friends of the sun and reisenthal center that they're they are the major advocates for

01:31:22.620 censorship now they're they're they're uh joined but uh but less noisily and less powerfully by uh

01:31:31.260 uh uh groups uh some of the spokesmen for the native groups they'd like uh people questioning the uh

01:31:40.460 uh the residential schools tale uh punished but that's not no law not the other against the law

01:31:47.100 uh and uh of course the lgbtq crowd are also big into censorship but the the major um force uh for

01:31:58.220 censorship in canada since the second world war has been uh the the jewish lobby groups we have

01:32:05.100 the hate bill entirely because of the old canadian jewish congress well and what's interesting about

01:32:11.740 that residential school denialism bill that was introduced it was introduced by an ndp uh mp named leah gazan

01:32:20.540 who is a mixed ancestry of aboriginal and jewish uh ancestry yeah yeah uh uh uh yeah so like on the free

01:32:33.500 speech front um i i'd say in the last few months we've we've won a few and uh uh and among the

01:32:42.940 younger people and this must be just infuriating to the jewish lobby uh despite all the propaganda

01:32:51.180 that they've gotten in their schools uh you know on the cbc and uh from paul mainstream politicians

01:32:57.260 uh there's some substantial skepticism uh among younger people and some older people too but

01:33:05.660 uh mostly younger people it must be uh just maddening after all the public all the propaganda that's

01:33:13.980 being pumped out there the substantial numbers don't believe or think it's exaggerated and what they're

01:33:21.500 seeing you know on the tv every day is the the zionist atrocities in in palestine uh and uh uh you know

01:33:31.740 unfortunately they're uh you know if you're interested in religion uh christian zionists uh and that

01:33:40.060 means uh a very a lot most evangelicals not all but uh just uh uh lock stock and barrel uh for israel

01:33:51.500 uh uh for uh it's a complicated story but uh uh uh uh it's uh just a wackadoodle uh interpretation

01:34:01.340 of the uh uh well in the catholic church we called it the uh the book of the apocalypse uh the

01:34:07.900 apocalypse and the protestant churches the revelations um yeah we we're aware for we're aware uh paul

01:34:16.940 i just i'm actually i'm not over your story about john beattie i didn't know this story and i just

01:34:23.500 wanted to maybe like pull frank in on this um a frank had you ever heard about john beattie the

01:34:29.500 canadian nazi party or are you familiar with stunts like this where kids were set up um by jewish lobby

01:34:39.100 groups to you know basically stick a swastika in their hand and next thing you know they're under arrest

01:34:44.780 well i don't know anything about the canadian uh john beattie doesn't ring a bell actually

01:34:52.460 but this kind of a template has been used probably since time immemorial it does work over and over

01:34:59.020 again because our people never get up to speed they don't think in terms of revolutionary or

01:35:05.580 counter-revolutionary activity so they the the mass will never be up to speed right but the people who

01:35:11.740 count for something uh in america i'd say that nine times out of ten times we always dodged a bullet

01:35:20.460 and then there was always that idiot that just popped in you know he hit the streets you know

01:35:26.540 he thought he was all that he was brand new he started running his mouth and doing some kind of

01:35:31.580 activism and then he collected people around him and they set him up and he went down pretty hard

01:35:37.740 so it just it's it's what i always say this is the cost of doing business it's just something if you

01:35:44.460 guys become professional grade that's a different story but if you're just trying to plink around

01:35:50.540 and trying to change stuff by running your mouth you're going to really run into some problems so

01:35:55.260 that's just my take thanks yeah you've got you you have to be careful uh and uh yeah you can be so

01:36:04.700 careful you never do anything uh but you can uh my recommendation to people up here is uh if a group

01:36:15.900 start if somebody starts talking about violence walk away uh the uh and if somebody who never has

01:36:25.260 been involved in anything comes up and uh i've had this on several occasions uh how do i get in touch with

01:36:32.540 the ku cox clan well wait a sec who are you what sort of activism uh have you ever been involved in that

01:36:40.300 you want to go from zero to 180 in in one in one swift action uh i'd be intensely suspicious and uh um

01:36:52.460 uh well we known one agent provocateur got a government agent actually who approached several

01:37:01.900 people back in the heritage front days with a list listen i've got a list of of jewish leaders in

01:37:08.220 toronto and their addresses and this was actually a man named grant bristow who was a paid csis agent

01:37:15.500 when when he did this to doug christie in victoria christie got up from the table and said who the

01:37:21.260 fuck are you and walked away um and you know anybody that's uh it wants to get it just happens to have

01:37:29.900 a list of of their home number home addresses uh why are you telling me this if you want to do something

01:37:36.940 why don't you do it but why why would you want to involve me and christy could smell what was going to

01:37:43.180 come out of that if he had taken the list and studied it it could be a big story um

01:37:50.860 right-wing lawyer uh uh uh you know has little hit list of uh prominent jews that would that that

01:37:59.740 would be uh career destroying uh you you you walked right into like this is where i was going next

01:38:07.180 your mind reader into the heritage front and grant bristow who was a csis operative who infiltrated

01:38:15.020 this group but frank has his hand up frank go for it and then we'll we'll get into the heritage front

01:38:20.380 and what happened there yeah yeah i'm looking forward to that because uh um hf was like it was for us

01:38:26.940 younger guys way back in the day i really i really looked up to heritage front for a whole lot of

01:38:33.340 reasons but i want to i'm not counter signaling paul here so don't don't take offense paul it but

01:38:39.420 i have to i have to kind of manage this conversation it's fascinating because i i'm going back in time

01:38:45.500 right uh so when people used to tell me to be careful or that they they seem like they were risk

01:38:53.580 averse this is why this is why i preface the my commentary with um the conservatives versus kind of

01:39:01.340 what i was into it's fascinating because i keep trying to tell these youngsters in here

01:39:07.580 nothing changes human psychology remains exactly the same

01:39:14.300 it's only it's only the techniques that changes like we got computers now we didn't have it back

01:39:19.100 then so on so forth but i always said paul and uh it's it's interesting that you and i never ran into

01:39:25.980 each other because i was kind of getting around when i was a youngster but um i'm not risk averse

01:39:31.820 and being risk averse has been this very cogent delineation between conservatives and some of the

01:39:40.380 younger people back in the day including guys like tom metzker and some of the more or less um street

01:39:46.060 fighter you know pro white working class kind of thing these are all things i've tried to explain

01:39:52.060 to several of these spaces that we were all broken up into these various manifestations exactly like

01:40:00.380 the young people today are seeing these manifestations so i mean literally i can juxtapose myself

01:40:06.940 40 plus years ago the same discussions that paul is having now and a lot of other people uh it's it

01:40:15.420 nothing changes it's only hopefully that some of you younger people are going to learn

01:40:20.620 from this broad memory hole that paul represents in part myself in part a lot of these other names that

01:40:27.180 we talk about and now hopefully some of you youngsters are going to get a brain and start becoming more

01:40:33.100 professional grade and cut out all of this bullshit that kept a lot of us from going forward when i say we

01:40:40.380 i mean our our movement our the fight for our people i mean jesus christ it's been over uh 45 years

01:40:47.500 years and all of a sudden i'm looking around and i'm going well everybody's starting to you know

01:40:52.780 uh recreate the the freaking wheel and it's it can be daunting this is why and and paul you haven't been

01:40:59.820 present but i've spoken at length in some of these spaces a lot of my mentors and we don't need to go over

01:41:06.540 that um they worked their entire life 40 50 years and more for their people right and i i

01:41:14.140 often wondered as a young man how these older guys could put up with a lot of the just retards

01:41:22.140 that were coming down the pike and in back in my time they were starting to reinvent the wheel

01:41:27.500 that some of these older guys had come to grips with but they didn't have access to all the intelligence

01:41:34.060 uh community or not maybe not intelligence community but the the social media the the amount

01:41:40.860 of intel but still i'm not a real big fan and a lot of these people will tell you that i'm still

01:41:46.940 in the real world i still deal or i prefer to deal in the real world with people i just was asked tonight

01:41:53.580 to give a commentary on an issue that's that's going on and i said look i i don't make commentary

01:42:00.380 through these through this venue if i was there in real life i might decide to

01:42:07.260 interdict myself and make commentary but paul knows all this i'm just speaking to

01:42:13.980 a lot of the youngsters in here but good to see the interaction because hopefully

01:42:19.820 if you listen to enough of us you can kind of parse that information together and figure out

01:42:26.940 the proper ways for you guys to make your statement to the world because there is a transference

01:42:35.900 going on i mean it just is what it is as time goes under the bridge a lot of you younger guys are

01:42:41.420 going to have to actually stand up and be counted and if you do that you better have your freaking

01:42:46.300 ducks in a row otherwise um you know you're going to pay for it and so will the people around you

01:42:52.860 but i i will reiterate i am not risk averse and there is a fundamental difference between the way i view

01:43:00.460 the world the way tom metzker and a lot of the other men that i knew in my life versus i um the

01:43:06.300 other class of conservatives like jerry taylor or you know i'm not bad-mouthing anybody it just is what

01:43:12.300 it is their rhetoric is different than what i was drawn to and that's why i have repeated many times

01:43:20.140 each one of us is drawn to a psychological voice you know uh that that appeals to you and therein lies

01:43:29.740 both um the goal and the and the message about what to watch out for um what to embrace so on and so

01:43:38.460 forth because no matter how you guys look at at what we're into whether you call it a movement or a

01:43:44.700 a social movement or whatever it's all based on personalities and those personalities run a very

01:43:51.740 very broad gamut of individuals so always bear that in mind everybody and when you listen you can

01:43:59.420 listen even if you disagree in some part but you can file the part that you feel a certain resonance

01:44:06.140 with going forward because certainly and paul will agree with this i'm sure we need more academics

01:44:13.500 we need more lawyers we we need all this very broad range of people why because ultimately even if

01:44:21.980 you're a fighter then you need to have a political party or a political group if you will that's being

01:44:30.060 funded to do some of the things that you can't do as an individual this is just this is a boilerplate

01:44:37.500 kind of a program right but just bear in mind that some people might be good for a couple of years

01:44:43.340 right and if they fade out don't lose your shit you know it happens it's the cost of doing business

01:44:50.060 yeah and if you put your all your eggs in one basket and that that person disappoints you don't

01:44:55.740 just throw it away and say oh man you know this is all bs uh no just take it on the chin and try it

01:45:03.580 again because some of these leaders guys like like paul i'm sure i'm kind of speaking for you paul but i'm

01:45:10.780 sure you've been knocked down many many many times but you're still here after all these years

01:45:17.740 so kudos to you thanks for the mic base yeah thank you um paul i just i just muted you while you were

01:45:27.260 coughing you're gonna have to unmute yourself um but i wanted to talk about the heritage front and um

01:45:35.260 this was kind of my first understanding of an organization that was involving you know uh our

01:45:44.940 white folk and uh then it had been infiltrated by a government agency and you know grant bristow in

01:45:52.860 particular and he was uh encouraging people to do more and more reckless things kind of like

01:46:01.260 you know this story with this poor kid who you know just wanted to wanted to get a john beaty he

01:46:08.380 wanted to get into the streets and next thing you know he was being set up um for an arrest so maybe

01:46:15.020 you can talk about what the heritage front was um what if you had any connection to it and then um you know

01:46:22.940 how grant bristow got involved and how the whole thing got uh turned

01:46:27.660 uh tea kettle as my mom would say

01:46:35.100 you'll need to unmute um there

01:46:41.820 just hit the speaker button paul if you're if you're on your phone there you go yeah there you are

01:46:49.020 okay it's a little more complicated uh wolfgang droga had

01:46:55.020 uh worked uh being in the movement in the united states he'd uh been involved in the uh attempt to

01:47:05.660 take over the uh uh island of dominica uh by some white nationalists which got broken up by the fbi

01:47:14.460 anyway he was being deported back to canada and he you know wolfgang was very in many ways very

01:47:21.500 guileless he you know he told you what what was on his mind so he was going to come back here

01:47:27.580 and he and he was going to try to form a group like uh david duke's uh uh

01:47:36.620 let me think uh nationalist decision for white people i think that was it but um

01:47:41.660 uh anyway um um um so what the government did they knew when uh wolfgang would come back he would go to

01:47:53.260 don andrews who'd who had been a long-time uh leader of a small group called the nationalist party that

01:48:00.860 never ran any candidates but um don andrews had been with me in the edmund burke society days but had

01:48:08.940 gone his own way uh afterwards so anyway uh the authorities knew that uh wolfgang would probably

01:48:15.820 go to don andrews to touch base um so what they did is a a few months before they got their agent grant

01:48:25.100 bristow to uh start attending uh don andrews meetings and so he was sort of now part of the game uh so when

01:48:34.700 wolfgang came up uh a lot of the uh younger guys uh were fed up with no action you know just

01:48:42.700 sitting around don andrews uh um kitchen table listening to don andrews lecture about the latest

01:48:51.180 book he read it just it was getting a bit boring they wanted action and so wolfgang started outlining the

01:48:59.420 uh goals of the heritage front it would be an action group white rights white nationalist group

01:49:07.100 uh and they would be trying to appeal to young people well one of the people who showed a lot of

01:49:14.540 interest was grant bristol but grant bristol you see was already part of the group that was the

01:49:21.020 diabolically clever thing instead of waiting till a group forms and then trying to slip somebody in

01:49:26.780 who one of the first things that that person would have to do is establish credibility um

01:49:35.260 well there's a fellow already with some credibility and that was grant and grant always had lots of

01:49:41.900 money to toss around probably our money uh so if they were they've the heritage front wanted to go down

01:49:48.860 to montreal for a meeting he'd supply a car he'd pick up the the the checks for the the meals

01:49:56.700 etc um and um he had about he was working uh he had a day job with kuhn and nagel in security so he

01:50:08.300 said you know i can um i can check people out for you and uh and so what what he did is he checked out

01:50:16.700 the uh he was able to track down the home addresses or phone numbers of many many members of the a ra or the

01:50:24.220 anti-racist action group and uh the the you know the both groups began to harass each other

01:50:32.620 and and and so on well this was actually a a sideshow uh you know you have to fight the uh the anti-racist

01:50:44.860 uh if you must but that that can't be or that if that becomes your whole raison d'etre you're not

01:50:51.820 recruiting people anyway grant bristo was very good at creating that conflict and uh or let's say worsening it

01:51:01.100 and uh uh you see when the when grant bristo was exposed as a government agent in 1994 there was

01:51:10.780 immediately a commission set up to to study whether the uh the cesis tactics had been legitimate

01:51:20.300 and uh there were some problems because grant bristo was shopping around this list of prominent jews

01:51:26.940 and some some of the jews were upset that uh you know were they being set up or targeted and so anyway

01:51:34.220 uh in my presentation to the uh the commission uh i argued that that they should never have

01:51:42.860 infiltrated the heritage front that uh the canadian security and intelligence act or the cesis act

01:51:50.140 outlines threats to national security and and those would be people involved in espionage or sabotage

01:51:56.700 well the heritage front wasn't spying for any foreign country it wasn't blowing anything up um

01:52:02.300 um sedition they weren't advocating the violent overthrow of the government uh the only possible

01:52:08.700 area would be groups that that uh that uh practice serious acts of violence to uh further their political

01:52:19.900 or religious uh aims and but serious acts of violence is are not a little punch up uh in the streets it

01:52:26.940 would be uh murder assassination or arson things like that well again and none of that fit fit the

01:52:33.660 heritage front and it was just getting off the ground so this was completely illegal action in my

01:52:41.740 submission by the canadian state um and in any ways it got even worse uh as the tensions between the ara and

01:52:52.780 uh and uh and uh heritage front got uh worse um uh about a hundred members of the uh the ara uh ra

01:53:05.340 raided the house of a guy named gary shipper who was the voice of the heritage front on uh on their

01:53:13.900 telephone you know this just shows the difference in technology with today they had a telephone answering

01:53:20.460 machine so you call them up and you would get a message well gary shipper had a great radio voice

01:53:25.500 and so they raided his place he was not there but they smashed the uh the uh uh the uh living room

01:53:34.140 window and threw a tricycle through the uh the window and did some damage well then later that

01:53:41.660 afternoon or evening wolfgang got together with a number of people his advisors and grant bristol and

01:53:50.300 grand bristol was saying look you you can't let this go you've got to take the war to them you've got

01:53:56.300 to hit them uh you know to keep respect and uh uh uh grand uh wolfgang droga went to consult

01:54:07.980 urn sundell and urn sundell said it's a trap they're going to be expecting they'll be expecting you

01:54:14.140 uh to go to a place called sneaky d's that was a cheesy bar on um yeah queen queen and bathurst i

01:54:23.020 think i remember that college and bath or college and bathurst that's right but anyway i mean this is

01:54:28.940 predictable they're going to they're going to expect you to come and they'll be waiting etc etc and

01:54:34.460 there'll be a fight and you might get arrested uh this is not the way to go but anyway uh wolfgang

01:54:40.860 ignored him and went along with uh grand bristol's suggestion so they went over to sneaky sneaky geese

01:54:47.820 and there was hardly anybody around and they kind of strutted through the the bar and you know sort of

01:54:53.180 look look tough and all that and then they got outside and then there there were a few ara types

01:54:59.900 and there was a fight and one of the guys was pinned to the ground by a member of the ara and

01:55:07.260 wolfgang a very protective guy took a flashlight from his car went and rearranged the guy's jaw for

01:55:13.580 him up and then the police raided and what wolfgang went off to jail with very strict conditions and

01:55:21.020 that really was about the beginning of the end in 1994 for the heritage front meanwhile where was grant

01:55:29.740 bristol mr take the the ward of the enemy you've got to show you know you've got to show them that

01:55:35.660 you're not afraid and they can't do this well he had flown off to new york city with his girlfriend

01:55:41.900 uh uh so bristol was uh uh was a real piece of work and uh i did not know him very well but uh those who

01:55:53.020 knew him better than i do uh they think he was in many ways conflicted he probably wasn't acting

01:55:59.580 really he he really was a white nationalist but he was also absolutely seduced into the world of

01:56:07.180 of you know double oh seven he just loved being a spy and uh uh you know the the double the double

01:56:15.980 life the uh undercover agent really turned him on he uh years later he would after he i think he lost

01:56:25.580 he i think he had a 10-year pension from cesus but back around 2004 he surfaced the dean from western

01:56:33.580 canada and uh he was now cooperating with uh bernie farber of the canadian jewish congress back then

01:56:42.540 and uh he was saying that uh oh you know he'd always been an anti-racist and uh but those who knew him

01:56:50.140 uh uh far better than i did uh believe he you know really shared the views up to a point but um

01:57:00.060 being a being a an agent a spy uh it was just too delicious

01:57:05.420 wow um where like what happened to wolfgang well okay wolfgang went to jail um and um

01:57:25.180 uh when he got out he they wouldn't even let him get welfare he he had been a repo man

01:57:35.820 and uh of course he lost his license so he he had no source of income believe it or not

01:57:42.540 uh so he uh began to uh to sell drugs and he made a lot of money and made a lot of friends

01:57:50.460 uh and um i'm not sure i can tell the whole rest of the story but um a person who eats old drugs too but

01:57:59.180 who had also uh been a romantic rival for for the affections of a girl uh was persuaded to go to his

01:58:10.220 place and hunt him down so this guy went to wolfgang's uh apartment in the east end of toronto

01:58:17.980 uh he uh he came in shooting wolfgang he had a gun he shot back um and but wolfgang died and uh

01:58:28.380 interestingly this fellow was charged with manslaughter

01:58:32.140 which is uh uh wildly undercharging him he shows up at the guy's place with a hand with a loaded

01:58:41.340 handgun that that that's not manslaughter which is kind of accidental killing uh this is premeditated

01:58:48.700 uh he i think he spent three and a half years in jail in in remand at his trial uh i i believe he

01:59:01.180 pleaded guilty anyway he was given seven years but with time uh time credited for the time the time i

01:59:08.620 think it was double time he ended up spending only a couple more months in jail he he got off uh the

01:59:15.500 system you know absolutely detested wolfgang and uh uh the the the killer got off with a

01:59:24.220 essentially a slap on the wrist

01:59:31.900 steve you want to jump in there co-host for me

01:59:38.620 i well i had a i don't know if steve oh go for it i want to go or i just i and i don't know if

01:59:45.260 you're you want to go to this yet base but i was really interested in paul's um involvement with

01:59:51.420 or sorry the new orleans protocol story like that yes the um

02:00:00.460 the um uh david duke uh not long after he got out of jail

02:00:06.940 um and that was a setup too but anyway when he got out of jail uh wolfgang i mean

02:00:13.580 uh david duke wanted to stage a comeback so we started started the uh he held the conference

02:00:20.460 it was very well attended in metairie um louisiana which was a suburb of uh of uh

02:00:29.580 of new orleans and one of the things that came out of that was what was caught was called the new

02:00:36.060 orleans protocol and we tried to get a lot of groups um to just sign up and many did including

02:00:43.740 the national alliance and what what it said was uh first of all uh we uh except for self-defense we

02:00:55.020 reject violence because that became uh very very important especially in the states

02:01:00.940 uh some groups um some groups would hint at violence and all that did was uh got you a lot

02:01:08.940 of trouble uh uh because most of the people who talk about violence aren't going to do it

02:01:16.140 so you get the worst of both worlds if you're associated with these people um yeah you're you're

02:01:23.340 tired with the uh the uh the image of violence but nothing actually happens but you you you you have

02:01:32.540 that uh that tag so just reject violence uh and and then the second thing was a policy of no enemy on

02:01:42.060 the right and and it was to be followed in this way there will be differences not all you know

02:01:48.780 nationalists or patriotic groups are going to agree on everything you know there's be personality

02:01:53.900 differences um um uh personality this this uh differences policy differences uh etc um uh

02:02:08.460 so um the the what should be done is uh if there are different disagreements they should be settled

02:02:17.100 behind closed doors or uh simply don't say anything uh if if you don't agree with the

02:02:24.780 the policies of group a don't announce them don't spend all your time fighting them we've got common enemies

02:02:31.900 uh yeah you know and i thought that was a very very important because uh you know the

02:02:39.420 uh uh uh gordon lee baum of the long time head of the council of conservative citizens uh uh told me uh

02:02:49.820 uh you know that leading our movement is like herding cats you know and that in many ways that's good

02:02:58.540 a lot of independent-minded people if we were sheep or sheep followers we uh uh we probably wouldn't be in the

02:03:05.420 the movement um uh but but instead of spending much of your time denouncing another patriotic group

02:03:14.140 um just uh uh put a sock on that or if there's a real something really serious uh have a sit down uh with

02:03:23.340 the other leaders rather than bad-mouthing them behind their backs well um it was a good idea we signed up a

02:03:31.260 number of minor groups but um uh unfortunately i couldn't even get the council to sign up there

02:03:38.300 just uh uh wanted always to be able to criticize another group uh uh out loud and so we we weren't

02:03:48.700 able to completely sell that idea uh but uh there were a lot of groups that you know i thought think

02:03:56.220 that was a bit of an advance where we've got common enemies let's let's spend our effort going after

02:04:03.820 them rather than criticizing another group that uh where we have a an objection to five percent of their

02:04:11.420 beliefs wise words and that's what we deal with a lot some somehow um there's certain groups that have

02:04:20.620 made fellow you know pro-white groups more of an enemy than the invaders oh yeah steve you want to

02:04:28.300 jump in and um you know i i think we're open to a couple of questions i know paul needs to go soon

02:04:34.540 um you know i'll i'll sneak another i'll squeeze another 10 15 out of you if i can sure um but uh

02:04:42.460 steve go ahead and if there's any questions anybody can jump up now

02:04:45.660 well yeah um and again thank you very much for your time and for having this uh chat with us

02:04:54.060 you know the the group that promotes or that practices tribalism for themselves you know they're

02:05:02.540 not ideologically monolithic but you don't see them counter signaling each other in the public spheres

02:05:09.340 and you know they promote multiculturalism for us which many of us realize is a detriment

02:05:15.900 for us to embrace but you know i can't count how many times i repeat myself saying that one of

02:05:23.820 the biggest things that the right wing can learn from the left wing is not to counter signal other

02:05:29.820 elements whether they're more radical or more um normie friendly um on the right um and to simply

02:05:38.940 lead by example and if you think there's a better way to then to exemplify it

02:05:46.380 sorry you you've pretty much completed the idea if you think there's a better way

02:05:52.300 uh or better approach instead of criticizing group a that doesn't agree with you go out and do it and

02:05:59.100 maybe you're right and and uh uh you know time will tell maybe your uh approach let's say to the internet

02:06:06.700 uh recruiting on the internet maybe that's the right approach rather than handing out pamphlets but uh

02:06:12.620 instead of criticizing another group for not agreeing with you on that strategy go and do it and you know

02:06:20.700 time will tell maybe you know you've got the right idea um and you know i think it was very very sensible

02:06:27.900 and uh you know uh we didn't get everybody to agree uh but i i think maybe it's uh it encouraged

02:06:37.580 uh a lot of people to behave uh you know because uh excoriating another group uh very seldom uh

02:06:50.300 it really advances your group uh but meanwhile gives the enemy a lot of comfort and wastes a lot of time

02:06:59.660 all right um canadian girl had her hand up and uh welcome up alex just give us a second alex

02:07:05.660 um canadian girl go ahead i just have a couple questions uh i wanted to know from paul what he

02:07:11.740 thought as far as growing up in a white country what he thinks of the basically the indian swarm

02:07:18.380 um and how what what is perception also if he's come across uh how many how many times he's come

02:07:25.020 across people who've like misunderstood that canada is a multicultural country and always was

02:07:29.820 um and then my last question for him is um what does he make of those uh hate speech laws and has

02:07:37.820 he found like anyone who's beat them um and like any strategies for dealing with those

02:07:44.540 those uh what are they called incitement of hatred charges oh wow you're gonna have to remind me of

02:07:50.940 your questions i i could take the last one first uh okay dealing with the hate laws um one thing i would

02:07:58.700 say is don't generalize uh i would never would never say the jews uh did this i i would qualify jewish

02:08:07.580 lobby groups or you know so and so uh because uh you you then have the defense i'm not talking about the

02:08:16.620 group as a group i'm talking about a an organization or an individual so uh uh uh for public consumption

02:08:26.060 uh definitely uh avoid uh uh uh uh uh avoid uh uh generalizing um so so i think that would be

02:08:39.660 that's one way um no but what if you're already charged oh if you're already charged well okay then

02:08:47.580 i'd have to know exactly what you said um or i mean whatever the person who was charged said

02:08:54.620 i'll message you well yeah i'll get i'll connect you guys i'll connect you guys yeah i think that

02:09:01.340 would be better yeah uh because i'd want to see the whole context uh and okay has anybody beaten uh

02:09:11.740 charges under the hate law yes um bill watcott um a very religious christian man very um

02:09:21.100 uh very uh creative uh protester infiltrated the 2016 gay pride parade in toronto and he got got

02:09:35.100 accepted i think it was he called his group the gay zombies i mean you wonder how they'd be so stupid

02:09:42.700 as to fall for this but oh yeah so he was uh accredited and all the gay zombies uh uh dressed up in

02:09:51.100 in skin tight uh lime green zombie suits i guess and they handed out what looked like condoms uh but

02:09:59.740 they were actually a bible they were actually a tract one side about the uh the the uh you know

02:10:09.500 physical problems with homosexual sex you know uh uh anal cancer warts and all the other delicious

02:10:16.540 things and the other side with uh biblical uh citations about uh the the homosexuality being

02:10:23.740 wrong anyway um under tremendous pressure from the jewish lobby the one of the the last acts of the

02:10:33.100 lesbian premier and her indian attorney general yasir akfi was to have bill watcott charged under the hate law

02:10:42.860 um and uh he he he beat the charges um so it can be done could you tell me to remind me of your first

02:10:54.860 question oh i was just wondering what you thought as somebody who grew up in a white country well how

02:11:00.220 would he make of the massive indian swarm oh oh uh yeah uh well i'm reminded of one of the irish rebel

02:11:07.820 songs i i feel this when i go to places where i grew up and see what's happened uh uh uh and the

02:11:16.060 armored cars and the burned out bars in the town i knew so well okay there aren't armored cars and

02:11:22.940 burned out bars but there's that sense of devastation and i feel that the real rage you did this to us you

02:11:31.180 brought the invasion they they didn't beat us at a war and and conquered us you traitors uh you white

02:11:38.460 haters uh or greedy uh brainless businessman you brought this to us and then called anybody who

02:11:46.060 disagreed you know a nazi or uh something a racist a race oh yeah a racist

02:11:54.380 my last question was uh do you what do you say to people when they actually think that canada has

02:12:03.100 always been multicultural okay well that's part of the that's part of the disinformation and propaganda

02:12:09.820 and uh uh you know uh i would i would tantalize somebody who says that uh would you happen to have

02:12:19.260 a hundred dollar bill on you okay who's the fellow on that bill okay i'll tell you if you don't know

02:12:25.660 sir robert borden he was a prime minister uh he won the election of 1917 in that election do you know what

02:12:33.980 he said in a speech in victoria british columbia he said canada is a white man's country now there

02:12:41.420 wasn't a collection uh collective uh oh no oh my god uh uh he's a racist in fact that was

02:12:49.740 non-controversial the opposition liberals didn't make anything of it and even the few

02:12:56.460 pre-marxist socialists uh they they would have agreed uh they didn't want oriental uh immigration to

02:13:05.900 canada so canada canada was conceived as a white man's country and then when when sir robert borden

02:13:14.460 said that that wasn't controversial it's about it was about like saying we get a lot of snow up here

02:13:20.540 hey um uh and uh uh that that's really important and uh i am so happy to see the number of people who um

02:13:31.100 fly the red ensign uh especially younger people and i've got a a big sticker coming out uh that you

02:13:37.980 can peel peel it off and stick it wherever you think is appropriate and it's it says uh the red ensign

02:13:47.420 the flag of the real canada and then uh the uh below the flag uh uh le drapeau de de nose

02:13:56.380 the uh so i'm tongue-tied today the drapeau de de de nosey uh the the flag of our ancestors

02:14:08.060 i hope that will attract some attention and maybe even piss a few people off i actually flew the

02:14:13.340 flag uh i put it on our van it's a really nice huge one and uh the other day we put it up and within

02:14:20.300 20 minutes we got a car pulling up beside us yelling you fucking racist you fucking racist

02:14:25.340 and then uh we pulled up to the gym and people were giving us the finger and it's like wow that's

02:14:29.900 like 20 minutes yeah yeah it's funny uh i uh wave the flag at uh at all the protests i go to and uh uh

02:14:41.660 uh uh okay granted uh yeah many of the people are you know nationalistic anyway um i get nothing but

02:14:49.980 compliments and occasionally uh from people just walking by uh you know i guess it just might depend

02:14:57.180 on the the crowd but uh um uh there are a lot of people that remember and it's it's such a great symbol

02:15:05.820 because it's so rich uh it's passionate unlike the uh the present flag and uh that crest is

02:15:13.260 so delightful it's got the symbols of england ireland scotland and france and the three maple leafs

02:15:20.780 uh uh you there it can be interpreted in a number of ways but one would be the first is for the

02:15:27.260 original european founding settler people the second is for the native people and the third is for the

02:15:33.100 europeans who came afterwards the the ones who built this country um uh and yeah one of the things

02:15:43.340 that uh i think may be good coming out of the uh uh the the conflict with trump over tariffs there's

02:15:51.580 there's a new pride in canada you know i think sometimes a little bit immature i don't think booing

02:15:57.900 the u.s national anthem at the uh hockey game is maybe the swiftest thing but okay but there's a

02:16:05.260 new pride well i think it's going to be harder to to tell people uh you know we were a racist society

02:16:11.980 we did it you know we persecuted the indians we uh didn't do anything for the jews and uh uh we had

02:16:20.300 the residential schools i think people will be less and less eager to hear that you know what

02:16:26.140 what are you running down my country for and uh uh uh i think that's a good thing uh uh i think there

02:16:35.420 will be um i think uh uh diversity equity and inclusion are on their way out uh uh i think trump

02:16:45.180 has done a lot uh a lot of good things in that regard i'm i'm not uncritical i mean there are bad

02:16:51.420 things he's done but uh uh uh he's done some good things i think well okay uh paul i got two more

02:16:59.260 questions steve you can jump in and then external is up here and i i i loved externals posts so i want

02:17:05.740 him to jump in steve go ahead yeah i'll say this quickly um another quote from robert borden who was

02:17:12.540 prime minister from 1911 to 1920 in 1907 when he was campaigning against lawyer said british columbia must

02:17:19.980 remain a british and canadian province inhabited and dominated by men in whose veins runs the blood

02:17:25.420 of those great pioneering races which built up and developed not only western but eastern canada

02:17:31.340 on the point of um the new nationalist sentiment unfortunately i see a lot of that coming from

02:17:38.620 uh people that would say that you know the the lefty types right that would say that this is a uh

02:17:44.860 uh you know um that always preach the diversity inclusion and equity and so i think it's more of

02:17:52.060 an anti-american sentiment and unfortunately a lot of the people on the um on the right who are in

02:17:59.020 favor of this 51st state idea they would be vehemently opposed to it if it was kamala harris proposing it

02:18:05.980 but i do agree that they should not be booing an anthem that canadians inspired because it was uh

02:18:11.980 uh the star spangled banner was derived from the poem the defense of fort mchenry which francis scott key

02:18:19.260 wrote from being aboard a british ship while watching fort mchenry be bombarded by the british

02:18:25.100 during uh the war of 1812 specifically september 1814 well that well that yeah that's really interesting

02:18:35.100 and you're right that sometimes canadian nationalism has been a very uh uh very left-wing and

02:18:43.580 uh well i'm a canadian nationalist because i uh i don't like americans or i uh we're not american well

02:18:51.580 uh you know we're not aborigin australian aborigines either uh i think nationalism has to be based on

02:18:59.100 on on that positive values our our achievements and we have a lot of achievements uh uh you know

02:19:06.060 our our ancestors uh you know carved a living out of a very hostile environment and a lot of canadian

02:19:13.740 literature uh is about uh you know the the environment uh very often hostile dominates a lot of

02:19:22.780 canadian literature uh you know i agree with you that there there's a left-wing aspect to it but

02:19:28.140 um i can see ways in which this uh um this might help turn things around i hope

02:19:40.860 eternal did you want to go okay thank you very much uh well look first of all i just want to say

02:19:48.620 it's incredible for me to be able to say hello to mr from and i don't know how based maidens is always

02:19:53.820 able to organize these fantastic spaces thanks to posty thank thank you to steve and thanks to

02:19:57.900 canadian girl as well um i just i'll just say that uh i think that i had seen the space scheduled and i

02:20:04.700 knew the name rang a bell but then i couldn't quite place it and then i remembered and i did post i think

02:20:09.420 what based maidens was saying there i did post in the purple pill as we call it uh down below in the

02:20:14.140 comments that um i was watching a video where david irving was speaking on churchill's war and it's very

02:20:20.380 difficult to watch outside of the us and maybe it's blocked in canada but it's blocked all over

02:20:24.380 europe on bit shoot and so i had to you know do a little bit of vpn type trickery to be able to

02:20:29.660 download the video uh despite the restrictions and um i watched the video but of course it was

02:20:36.140 introduced by no though none other than yourself and i remember saying wow that's as good a speech

02:20:41.820 as david irving is going to give i wonder who this fellow david from is and of course i googled you

02:20:47.260 and found that you have a wikipedia entry where it said all the right things about you that you're a

02:20:51.580 neo-nazi and far-right racist and all this kind of stuff and uh also that um you know the standard

02:20:58.700 kind of thing and i won't go on too long but just to say that i read with great interest that you were

02:21:03.340 a teacher and of course they hounded you out of teaching uh because uh you know they wanted to

02:21:08.620 create some animosity with the iroquois or whichever indian types are there it's more confusing now that

02:21:13.660 there's indians from the indian subcontinent as well as the eskimo type indians but in any case

02:21:18.780 i could see that the canadian jewish congress then tried to create a hoo-ha and say that you said scalp

02:21:24.540 them and all this sort of stuff but look i better form a question here mr from first of all i will

02:21:30.220 say do you remember introducing david irving in 1986 in the carlton hotel or the carlton inn in 1986

02:21:38.380 in toronto oh yes i introduced him a number of times uh i was in charge of his ontario the ontario leg

02:21:48.300 of his tour and that's another uh uh sad sad thing about canada as a nation david irving was banned in

02:21:56.940 1992 by the uh i'm not sure what role he had in the cabinet but his name was jerry weiner he was in the

02:22:05.740 conservative cabinet of uh of uh brian mulrooney and at the behest of the usual jewish lobby groups

02:22:13.740 irving was banned uh a world-class original historian yeah you know uh

02:22:22.700 it's important for us uh not not to forget and never never let them forget you know when they blather on

02:22:29.660 about uh freedom of speech and freedom of this and that uh in in other countries um you know i always

02:22:37.260 want to say yeah but what about practicing it here first and then we can show the world and that they

02:22:43.660 can follow suit paul you're in trouble with me now because i went and met with you and um because i knew

02:22:55.100 you had a david irving book that i wanted and i don't recall you telling me at all that you had

02:23:02.220 introduced him and had met him in the flesh so it's like we have to squeeze these stories out of you

02:23:09.420 otherwise uh you might just fail to mention important details thank you um external for um

02:23:17.660 um for bringing that up i was kind of shocked and i put it in the jumbo if everyone's interested in

02:23:24.140 seeing a 1986 version of paul from that would be uh fantastic well don't don't laugh too hard

02:23:35.420 so um well we'll just we'll let you go paul i think we'll keep um the space running but i know that you

02:23:43.660 uh have a a big day because you continue to run for elections and um there's meetings and

02:23:50.060 campaignings and more conferences and so much to do but um i do hope that you'll take a liking to

02:23:59.500 doing these twitter spaces yeah i'm i'm really glad to do that and uh i appreciate the people who want

02:24:06.220 to hang in there and uh and hear it yeah well you're like just this treasure trove of of knowledge and

02:24:13.420 history and and this link that we need um especially as canadian nationalists i mean

02:24:20.540 we just there's such a small tiny corner of the internet um but your organization cafe it still

02:24:29.020 puts out newsletters doesn't it like the canadian association for free expression um so yeah i hope

02:24:36.380 that you know you start putting on cafes uh regarding your newsletter you know on a weekly or bi-weekly

02:24:43.180 basis and you know i can show you steve and i can show you how to host and then um you could be

02:24:49.020 hosting your own spaces because you put so much time and effort into those newsletters and there's

02:24:54.220 so much content already there that you could discuss the content of your newsletters and um

02:25:01.660 you know and like it'll you'll run away with it kind of thing so i hope so yeah let's keep in touch on

02:25:09.660 that well and just before i got your number before you take your leave i would like to mention i co-host a

02:25:17.100 space with some others and we would be more than happy to have you on as a uh as a special guest and

02:25:23.820 preferably before the election comes so we can help promote your platform and encourage canadians in your

02:25:29.580 area to get in and vote for you yeah no well thank you very much

02:25:38.940 all right thanks again paul paul thanks so much um canadian girl wants to uh wants to keep chewing the

02:25:47.820 fat and frank thanks for coming up and adding some more context and nuance uh to a timeline that you know

02:25:55.900 not all of us were familiar with but you were definitely in the thick of the action during some

02:26:01.420 of those decades where uh you know there was stuff happening in the north and there was stuff happening

02:26:07.260 in the south so it's nice to have both of you in a space and i appreciate you um i appreciate you

02:26:13.100 joining us eternal i appreciate you joining too because it's probably two o'clock in the morning where you

02:26:20.380 are and somehow you find yourself awake yet again and and if anybody would like to contact me email me

02:26:30.940 yeah email me at paul at paul from dot com that's a paul at paul f-r-o-m-m dot com and uh you know if

02:26:43.180 you're interested in my newsletters or a sample or anything like that just get in touch with me

postyX - February 26, 2025

Interview with Paul Fromm： The OG Canadian Nationalist

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