postyX - February 26, 2025


Interview with Paul Fromm： The OG Canadian Nationalist

Hosted by
Angela Pagniello
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Steve Hansen Fidel Castro David Irving John Boyd Vladimir Lenin Francis Scott Key Jonathan Greenblatt Richard Butler Mordecai Levy Kamala Harris Travis Tritt Bill Watcott Devon Stack Karl Marx
Go Nationalist or Go Extinct Canadian Nationalist Roundtable-02.28

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2 hours and 26 minutes

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22,106

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7

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Toxicity

71

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Hate speech

64

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Summary

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In this episode, we have a special guest on the show, a man named Paul. He's a man of many talents, but most importantly, he's a good friend of ours. He's also the owner of a company that makes some of the most delicious food in the city of Toronto, and he also happens to be a member of the House of Commons.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 yo yo christine what's up here i'm gonna bring
00:00:19.740 i throw you a mic man
00:00:30.000 i got first there yeah man be posty to it i was trying to meet everyone i'm first
00:00:44.000 oh my goodness hello john oh my goodness i'm so excited about this all right so we're just gonna
00:00:54.060 have to kind of talk amongst ourselves while you know i'll see how paul's doing i told him to come
00:01:01.300 in a little bit early just in case there were any technical difficulties you know how it goes
00:01:06.720 yes you guys can hear me right you sound good babe okay great um i was talking to canadian girl early
00:01:15.960 on today and my headphones weren't working oh and she was getting so mad at me yeah well she's like 1.00
00:01:23.740 i can't hear you you know what when i use my phone if i use because i don't know the new iphones you
00:01:30.080 can't they don't well most phones now don't have a headphone jack anymore right that's it if i use
00:01:34.040 yeah if i use the adapter for my iphone and plug in corded headphones i like the speaker it always
00:01:40.400 sounds terrible that's right so it's like it's so annoying so yeah i end up either doing it on
00:01:46.200 speakerphone or just on my computer can you hear me now because uh this was uh you're good i can hear
00:01:53.980 you okay that's the headphone that was really bothering canadian girl earlier on so we've rectified
00:02:00.500 it yeah it's weird because it was it was like a lot of echo and just a ton of static and feedback
00:02:06.200 it's crazy well it's when csis is trying to overhear our phone calls 0.92
00:02:11.440 and know what bullshit we're talking about right 0.98
00:02:15.760 i'm excited about this guest 0.99
00:02:21.640 yeah i was reading a ton about i couldn't believe all the political like uh what do you want to call
00:02:30.940 all the different political avenues he's gone down like oh he's tried it's crazy
00:02:34.440 i hope we get like a beginning story sorry about that
00:02:42.940 yeah his origin story yeah i want to hear like the build up into the origin story yeah that'd be
00:02:50.380 awesome hey paul's running a little late he just i can hear him he's still in his vehicle
00:02:55.920 um he's like oh i'm one minute away so i'll i'll give him some uh i'll give him a minute but we can
00:03:03.800 chat like i like this panel here hi steve hansen how are you
00:03:07.940 okay that good
00:03:12.880 you gotta um you gotta press the mic button steve if you want to
00:03:18.440 you want to talk steve you're gonna have to undo the mute button
00:03:23.200 do you know what's funny by the way if you go and listen to any of those jayon spaces
00:03:26.880 right every single speaker who comes up has some sort of difficulty with trying to talk like can you
00:03:32.420 hear me i'm like you know you have to unmute and like it's just it's so funny
00:03:37.520 it's the indians right jayon's you're yeah saying yeah the indian spaces those are so freaking
00:03:44.160 painful i but they like every speaker he has to tell him like no we can't hear you go back down and
00:03:49.420 come back up or you're happy you have to unmute and like he's just incredibly patient like i don't
00:03:54.520 know they they can't figure it out no he seems like a really sweet man and these are the people who 0.67
00:03:59.820 we've hired to like run all of our computer shit right yeah
00:04:03.280 and to give us uh yeah instructions on how to fix our computer problems too that's the other thing 0.92
00:04:11.740 when they don't even know how to speak english it's kind of you know
00:04:15.400 yeah we also brought in the dirtiest people to serve our food make that make sense 0.60
00:04:19.920 oh my goodness okay christine wants to get on a whole like i hate indians tirade 0.99
00:04:25.440 i'm always ready for that i'm here for it all right you have the floor tell us in like
00:04:32.460 two minutes or less why canada should not have any more indian immigrants go 1.00
00:04:38.640 well that's a hefty loft um they the um i actually saw an article there was like this bc
00:04:46.760 uh what is it transportation minister uh he basically shut down an entire fleet of uh semi
00:04:55.100 trucks because i guess they went over and over like they were headed towards a bridge and i guess they
00:05:00.000 had their bucket up or something i don't know but they hit it and he was like what kind of like
00:05:04.320 craziness is this and like how can you not have the basic intellect to to be able to
00:05:08.480 navigate this right so you do that a lot even here in ontario they do that a lot that entire
00:05:13.840 company is is like down right now uh that trucking company so i sent him an email and i said you do
00:05:19.280 realize like they have an iq of 76 or 74 and like they're technically retarded by canadian standards 0.95
00:05:25.920 they are retarded you've put retards behind 80 000 pound vehicles to run around our city and endanger 1.00
00:05:33.300 our people so and just so you know going forward if you reinstate that company and allow them to 0.98
00:05:38.820 drive you're letting retards drive but like leave it to you to contact you know like the health minister 0.98
00:05:45.940 or transportation minister and start with iq you'd be like okay like right out of the gates let's just
00:05:52.240 talk about 76 iq okay this is the it's relevant it's huge and and they they know that too they just
00:05:59.400 don't want to you know what i mean so it's nice to remind them i think you need to remind them instead
00:06:02.780 of you know going in there and saying well we just don't like them because they stink or whatever
00:06:05.960 like using actual facts that you can back up is i think a great idea i mean if we like hypothetically
00:06:12.040 if we just got rid of all the retards except for our own obviously we have an obligation to our own 1.00
00:06:16.680 like me you know um but like you know if we got rid of all of the retards right um from like you 1.00
00:06:23.720 know if you're below uh 80 you're gone right like that would just clear out like at least what 75 80
00:06:29.960 percent then we could go with in my opinion we could go with the nationalism of like well do we
00:06:35.920 really need these like 90s here either like you know but i mean like at least let's get rid of the
00:06:40.380 retards come on how are retards bettering our society i don't get that how is retards driving 1.00
00:06:46.280 gonna help um well like you know we did that military space last night and like there is an
00:06:54.640 iq standard right and it's 85 because below 85 they can't um you know take apart and reassemble a
00:07:03.560 weapon there's like there's too many moving parts there's too many steps involved and because they 0.93
00:07:09.620 would take them as dumb as they possibly could but 85 is their limit in order to get 85 is dumb 0.97
00:07:16.200 as shit well we know the state of our military now jesus christ 85 yeah no it's low but that's 0.99
00:07:24.860 as low as they can go that's as low as they can go in order for them to make the guns go pew pew 0.99
00:07:30.760 but um that's it you know and they're not the smartest guys they're not going to be getting
00:07:36.680 promoted that hard they should also not let any browns in the army oh my gosh that was like 1.00
00:07:43.280 the programming is really hard in the military they really civic nationalism them really hard
00:07:50.100 you're nationalist but you're a civic nationalist and you know um you know and i was like uh drew from
00:07:57.600 veterans for freedom he was really simping for koreans in the canadian military and he's like
00:08:02.740 they're honest they work hard they do this and i'm like okay so koreans like i'm willing to make a
00:08:09.380 small percentage if we have to have a small percentage of browns we will give them some 1.00
00:08:13.560 some chairs at the table all right but we are dealing with an onslaught of indians and working 1.00
00:08:20.240 hard and intelligence um or being honest is not one of their redeeming features especially the honesty
00:08:29.280 part you know they are so dishonest the koreans could be good people and we're not saying they're not 1.00
00:08:34.820 uh but go good be good people in korea i mean you know they mandatorily have to serve in the army in 0.99
00:08:40.400 in korea so go enjoy your army duty in korea what the fuck why are you here steve you can jump in any 0.94
00:08:47.800 timing yeah white power ladies i just didn't want to interrupt um to the point about you know 85 being 0.99
00:08:56.040 the uh low end cutoff on iq the average iq of the american negro is i believe 84 um and 0.58
00:09:04.660 somehow they still get into the american army and um with the koreans yeah they're they're much 0.99
00:09:11.300 um more likable than say the uh the indians but a big security concern is allowing the chinese in 1.00
00:09:20.000 and who's to say that the koreans would be more loyal to canadians than they would be to the chinese
00:09:26.320 if you know if push came to shove so i see them by extension as a security threat because yes i mean
00:09:34.400 they could easily be won over to the allegiance of the chinese i mean well like i'm the koreans hate 1.00
00:09:40.040 to the to the germans than the chinese right right and i mean the koreans have a long-standing
00:09:45.380 rivalry with japan and so does china so enemy of my enemy is my friend and you know more racially 0.65
00:09:53.040 similar who's to think that the koreans wouldn't side it with the chinese if you know if pressured
00:09:58.320 if bribed um and then yeah we don't know the 85 iq sorry go ahead no i was just saying we don't know
00:10:06.600 the pressure that you know china could put on south korea or whatever right like that's the other thing
00:10:10.700 like just because they're you know not caving to the pressure now who's to say china the chinese
00:10:15.320 couldn't do something and they probably would
00:10:16.640 yeah and then with the uh the 85 being the cutoff it's like i don't know how there's any indians in
00:10:25.600 the army right now but again it's probably 85 if you're white and then you know we'll just look
00:10:32.980 the other way for everyone else i mean they've completely gutted military standards like any
00:10:38.240 standards from the canadian military right like basic training is not what it used to be i'm pretty
00:10:43.240 sure at this point i had higher standards when i was in the army cadets and what basic training has
00:10:48.600 in the canadian forces today i believe that honestly i do i believe that when he said that
00:10:54.800 there were a bunch of middle-aged chinese women that were like enrolling enlisting to join the military 1.00
00:11:00.920 i'm like what the hell can you imagine these like little boomer granny chinese ladies trying to 1.00
00:11:07.580 well my thing is how would that yeah like how is that not a red flag
00:11:10.700 literally literally a red flag yeah with the stars yellow stars on it yeah totally
00:11:17.840 oh my gosh so funny um yeah i know that was a good conversation it was good to chat with the
00:11:25.240 chat with the boys um yeah i i talk with uh circulon and drew a lot anyways but
00:11:32.240 uh you know and like drew is clearly a civic nationalist and not a white nationalist but
00:11:39.520 that's okay you know we're uh we're willing to work with our white brothers who haven't quite
00:11:44.120 come over onto our side yet it was good like i said i think it was good for people to hear what
00:11:49.680 the military you know used to be like when it was at a somewhat decent standard and those guys had a
00:11:54.980 lot and then some of them were more recently um discharged right so that was also good to get
00:11:59.460 their perspective on the difference well and again with the military they very much preach that we
00:12:05.200 all bleed green so that's something that you have to you know work against um but if if you're at
00:12:12.900 civic nationalists i mean you're kind of halfway there just there's there's a ways to go for anyone
00:12:20.120 that doesn't know the term civic nationalist which i think is inherently an oxymoron um because
00:12:26.900 nation is a people uh civic nationalism was coined by hans cohen in 1941 hans cohen by the way if
00:12:37.600 anyone doesn't know happens to be jewish
00:12:39.640 shocking i'm pretty sure there isn't civic nationalism in israel but they preach it for us 1.00
00:12:49.920 that's that's like many things right that is uh like immigration that's not common in israel either
00:12:57.580 so 0.98
00:12:57.960 no it's emigration in israel like either flee to western countries or we kill you 0.90
00:13:06.380 like don't don't they aren't they similar to the middle east and where they bring in like you know 0.98
00:13:11.740 indians and like a few of them just to do the real shit jobs there but they're like not citizens 1.00
00:13:15.800 i don't know if israel does that as well i thought i heard that but 0.98
00:13:19.200 we want paul yeah i'm i'm doing that on the we're just waiting on paul yeah everybody like you
00:13:32.940 guys carry on um you know continue with your racisming and yeah so if we're a little boring
00:13:38.460 right now just give us a few minutes
00:13:39.700 christine i want you to do your racism stretching do you like racism lunges and um steve's always 0.57
00:13:49.180 ready to go he's always ready to go he's locked and loaded with his racism so uh yeah carry on i 0.70
00:13:55.740 will just keep uh chasing no you know what i'm my computer is just it's just having fun with me at 0.95
00:14:03.900 this point it's all these stupid little glitches and i have the i have this restreaming on gorm tv 0.63
00:14:09.600 shout out to everyone on gtv 38 people there and um for whatever reason everything works fine on 0.82
00:14:16.980 twitter but they're like can't hear anything oh i can hear this space but i can't hear steve and
00:14:22.040 i got it fixed now oh yeah because sometimes when you're streaming it when you talk you can't because
00:14:27.940 that was happening to me when i was recording our i was recording our spaces every time i spoke you
00:14:32.720 couldn't hear me and i think it's because you have to change the mic settings or something
00:14:35.560 yeah i don't know something happened after i last updated my operating system and ever since my
00:14:45.060 sound settings are just i constantly have to be on top of them and uh yeah it's fun it's fun
00:14:52.080 now i'm trying to get windows up and going on a separate hard drive on the same pc
00:14:56.520 and that's giving me headaches and yeah it's lots of fun computers are fun
00:15:01.820 do you see the struggle we have to be nationalists it's just not easy
00:15:06.060 and then you get reporters following you taking pictures of you eating
00:15:13.160 yes that's a you know canadian girls had that experience recently you can you want to share
00:15:17.860 that with us canadian girl i think i think people think i'm a bigger deal than i am and i'm like well
00:15:23.400 i guess that's a bit of a compliment but like seriously and nobody in the movement and all of a sudden
00:15:27.860 like you know reporters are stalking me and taking photos of me going on doing stuff right and i'm
00:15:32.480 like oh i was doing stuff oh no you finally made it you're famous there's an article i'm like she's
00:15:41.460 eating look that was the news story that was like worthy of journalism that's crazy brought up oh good
00:15:49.740 oh yeah
00:15:50.480 hello all right paul are you here
00:15:57.920 you um paul you have to uh undo your microphone it's a um the microphone toggle you'll have to
00:16:06.060 click that on and off um and oh you just had it okay yeah let's just do you hear me yay we can hear
00:16:15.520 you great great thanks for coming paul i know you were like rushing around tonight
00:16:22.560 when you yes i was up to a protest in uh in shelburne and of course the driving wasn't the best and
00:16:30.680 uh then i did a uh an hour on the uh blood river radio in um in memphis tennessee
00:16:37.780 paul you are absolutely unfrigan stoppable and i guess i want to just say that to the audience who
00:16:49.640 don't know paul from paul from was like born in 1949 that's right yeah were you not born in um 0.92
00:16:57.520 bogota in colombia yeah in bogota colombia and just in case anybody thinks i'm despicable
00:17:04.740 um actually my uh my dad was in the oil business a canadian i might point out i thought you were
00:17:12.200 throwing spic in there um but uh despicable but yeah but you were born two canadian parents i 0.96
00:17:22.220 that's right yeah we met well we met um i guess you were doing a little speaking engagement in
00:17:29.380 ottawa that was one time we actually had a chance to to talk and you told me a little bit about your
00:17:36.020 parents sort of ancestral background can you tell me a little bit like remind me again the ancestry of
00:17:42.020 your parents yes my um my mother's side we're from uh we're french canadian and we traced our lineage
00:17:50.560 back to about 1650 so um you know i'm a uh a long time real canadian on my father's side uh we're german
00:18:02.380 and uh uh liverpool irish and uh on my father's side we've been in this country since 1912 i think
00:18:14.460 okay okay so you're legitimately canadian i will oh yeah passport very good um and so you grew up
00:18:23.880 in small town ontario is that correct no no i i grew up in um in etobico the uh it's just a suburb
00:18:32.460 the in the extreme west end of uh of uh toronto and um it's a it was a solidly middle class area and
00:18:41.420 uh i'm running there in the provincial election for the canadian's choice party um uh we have our own
00:18:50.700 ideas about uh getting back to the uh what members of parliament were supposed to be uh parliament of
00:19:00.000 course comes from the french uh parlement or place to speak and originally in britain members of
00:19:07.740 parliament uh were elected by the electors in in their particular writings to represent the people
00:19:16.100 in the writings and what's what's happened uh beginning in the late 18th century is was the
00:19:22.120 formation of parties and uh uh you know certainly the way it's practiced in in ontario now and in
00:19:31.820 canada a party leader is practically a dictator so you've got to do what the party leader says
00:19:38.100 say what the party leader tells you to say and uh uh you know if that conflicts with what the people
00:19:45.740 in your area are saying uh yeah you just better shut up um and so our platform is to go back to the
00:19:54.400 original although we're a party to get on the ballot um uh the the responsibility of the of a member if
00:20:02.060 if we get elected is to find out what uh people in let's say etobico center want so uh uh it's easy
00:20:10.120 now to do internet surveys uh uh town halls uh uh you know and actively solicit people's opinions like
00:20:19.840 what's on your mind what's the big issue here it might not be the same issue you know the the next
00:20:26.360 writing over so that's what we're uh we're striving to uh to do and uh i ran in 2018 in that writing and
00:20:36.040 uh i got almost a thousand votes so um see how it turns out well that's what i mean when you're
00:20:42.320 unstoppable um so you're nearing or approaching the age of around 75 is that correct right
00:20:49.660 and so i don't know what anybody else's excuse is when you just go and go and go and go and go
00:20:56.160 and you've been doing this going and going and going for probably i don't know if you just sort
00:21:02.880 of you know ran out of your home when you were a child and never actually stopped or how that worked
00:21:09.220 but i i told you that when we were talking i kind of wanted to go decade by decade um yeah and
00:21:15.160 and see and see where we get because i know that there are some really exciting decades in there
00:21:20.100 that i want to cover um so 1950s you know between zero and ten was the in etobicoke was that like happy
00:21:28.940 happy childhood happy parents happy well it moved to etobicoke in 59 uh i'd i'd been brought uh brought up
00:21:37.900 for the first uh well for i guess about seven years in scarborough uh but uh etobicoke was a a new
00:21:46.820 experience a lot of new friends i did a lot got to i was very studious and did a lot of reading a lot
00:21:52.720 of reading of history and um um so uh the the main take from that period uh was uh uh i had a big
00:22:05.480 interest in fidel castro and particularly because my parents were nearly killed in boga in in colombia
00:22:13.040 in 1948 i think there was a big rebellion by the communists in in colombia and uh fidel castro was a
00:22:26.120 uh you know a young lawyer i think in cuba but he came and joined what was called the
00:22:32.040 la bogatoza or the the bogato uprising and my parents got caught in a crossfire between
00:22:39.360 uh the the communists and government troops and uh so uh i was nearly not here uh thanks to fidel
00:22:48.360 castro they unfortunately they were not hurt but it was a pretty scary time so i learned all that in
00:22:54.480 the 50s well little do we know what canada's connections would be to fidel castro as time went on
00:23:01.540 right that's an interesting connection um okay so you went to you went to university i believe and
00:23:09.080 you studied english did you not get it yeah english language and linguistics if you got a master's did
00:23:16.300 you not get a master's degree i did yeah master's and uh uh b a and b ed uh my my one of my first
00:23:24.500 you know public uh political uh political activities was when i was in grade 13 in 1966
00:23:31.740 um uh our school had been part of what was called the model un i don't know if they still have that but
00:23:40.600 uh the various high schools in toronto would meet at the university of toronto i if i recall correctly
00:23:47.960 once or twice a month on a sunday afternoon and each school would take uh uh a country and you know
00:23:59.000 you try to learn what the country believed in and you'd represent yourself in at this model un
00:24:04.700 well it was the final session uh in in i think it was may of 1966 and i i knew where it was our school
00:24:14.640 was no longer participating but um i thought well i'm going to go down there and raise a bit of hell
00:24:20.300 so it was it was the general assembly and i got up and said i represent white independent rhodesia well
00:24:27.640 they went crazy uh today i would have been lynched and of course somebody called back to the school
00:24:35.940 and complained against me but you know those were actually much more tolerant in liberal times
00:24:41.800 uh the pretty the priest at the school call the principal called me in and said oh we had a few
00:24:48.880 phone calls yeah you were creating a bit of a hell down there uh uh well maybe you should not do that
00:24:56.800 for the next well i would have another uh month and a half in school so i could easily promise that
00:25:03.120 and i was the class valedictorian today i probably would have been expelled i i would certainly not have
00:25:09.580 been allowed to be the valedictorian and these priests were really quite liberal you know it wasn't
00:25:15.860 as though they were uh old-fashioned conservative um but that that's hard to believe but those were
00:25:23.220 actually much more tolerant uh times today if a student pulled that uh he well at the very least
00:25:32.800 would be disciplined probably expelled and certainly would not be allowed to be the class valedictorian
00:25:38.900 they likely would and then they'd have like a smear campaign launched against them so yeah
00:25:45.100 so that was 1966 yeah okay so 1960s um what did you think about the hippie movement that was happening
00:25:57.020 sort of coming out of the united states oh just detested them and detested the draft dodgers 1.00
00:26:02.860 we were getting a lot of draft dodgers so uh when i got to university i heard about a group called the
00:26:09.980 um um friends of radija association so i joined and i was uh you know i was obviously one of the
00:26:19.200 youngest members there most were former africahans um not all i mean some were anti-communists like
00:26:30.160 myself or uh south african or or whatever but uh i i but i i met some very interesting people
00:26:38.420 and then in um in uh uh march of uh 1967 which of course was our centennial year uh i uh i and two
00:26:51.720 other people men formed the the edmund burke society and uh for five years we were uh quite a radical
00:26:59.580 group we we we wanted to um uh to uh take an active role in politics not just you know i i would
00:27:09.660 i've been part of a couple of groups that were you know they sat around and they talked and philosophized
00:27:14.480 but uh they didn't do much well this was the time of the the protests against the war in vietnam
00:27:21.020 so we got the bright idea that we'd go down to the united states consulate at the same time
00:27:26.360 that the the reds would did and we counter protest well boy did that ever cause a lot of trouble 0.98
00:27:33.680 uh it got a lot got us a lot of notice and we decided that look for the cost of printing
00:27:41.660 uh lettering up a few signs we can go and basically steal half their publicity uh that they've spent uh
00:27:51.740 they would have two protests a year one in in april or so and one in october and they would work for
00:27:59.100 months uh putting up posters and getting endorsements from other pro-communist groups like the women's uh
00:28:06.780 can he uh women's uh strike for peace in the and various uh left-wing churches and uh they go in a lot of
00:28:15.580 trouble organizing we would get a group of well between 15 and 100 together uh go and have a counter
00:28:23.020 protest and and you know basically uh uh capitalize off their their publicity and one of the things we
00:28:33.020 wanted to do uh which would be more difficult today is we wanted to use uh to get into the media as much
00:28:40.380 as possible to show people that there was active opposition to well like to communism and to related
00:28:48.860 things and that actually worked reasonably well for a while and then you know we started getting smeared
00:28:55.180 the same way uh i i would well if you're reading off wikipedia uh the pretty much the same way i would
00:29:02.620 um but uh we we uh and we were learning at the time i mean uh none of us had had a uh i mean very
00:29:13.740 few of us had had any experience in publishing anything or even organizing meetings i mean we we learned
00:29:21.820 it all as we went along and uh our initial couple of newsletters were printed on an old mimeograph machine
00:29:32.620 now that that was a you would type a stencil um that that was uh had this kind of an ink on it and
00:29:45.020 then you would put a liquid that was alcohol based and uh you would uh run it off i mean today uh you
00:29:54.380 would use a super photocopier and that's what your printer would use i mean the the technology is just
00:30:01.500 coming off a long way well then after a few months we graduated to a gestetner which is the same sort
00:30:07.660 of thing you type a stencil and uh yeah you run it off uh but so we were learning uh and one of the
00:30:15.900 very interesting things that you know i only began to appreciate as time went along but it was um
00:30:22.540 uh not very long after we got our initial publicity i got a call at my room at the university of toronto
00:30:32.860 and it was a a man who identified himself as ike erst well that sounded a lot like the name of a
00:30:41.500 of a person i was at michael power high school with but it wasn't uh uh erst uh was a spy uh for the
00:30:51.500 jewish groups he would eventually would become part of the jewish defense league and right from the
00:30:56.620 very beginning they were snooping around you know who's who what are you up to uh and then he showed
00:31:04.460 up with his wife uh who uh they tried to you know we we had a governing council and we had a monthly
00:31:11.660 meeting and she they for years for about three years tried to get elected to the council and
00:31:16.940 uh many of our people were not all that conscious about jews but enough were and we were attracting a 0.99
00:31:26.700 lot of young east european people and uh they knew the score and uh they never got elected but they
00:31:34.700 they were uh uh ike erst uh we were he attended one of the part of the parties we held and he boasted that
00:31:43.900 uh back in israel before they got independence in 1948 that he slit the throat of a of an english
00:31:53.420 soldier now i i don't know if that was just empty boasting but the the violence trailed these people
00:32:00.860 i think about 1975 uh they were murdered uh uh ike and celia erst a-i-r-s-t and i and the case is never
00:32:11.660 being solved uh uh uh but that that was uh uh you know like right from the very beginning uh they
00:32:22.140 were snooping uh uh on our group but uh and we were we were learning as as we went along
00:32:32.140 so okay so that's mid-1970 so in 1970 okay from what i've read um you started the canadian friends of
00:32:40.700 rhodesia right no no no i joined i didn't start you joined you didn't start it and it was so what
00:32:49.180 what kind of got you alert to the situation in rhodesia what were you reading i'm kind of going
00:32:56.700 because the i'm sure the propaganda at the time was not particularly supportive of white rhodesians oh no
00:33:04.380 no we were we were among the most hostile nations outside of the communist bloc uh canada you know
00:33:11.420 goody two shoes canada oh we're against racism our leaders were very ignorant of what what had gone on
00:33:21.020 in in rhodesia and uh what got me interested was reading the daily uh papers and finding out there were
00:33:29.580 strong pro-rhodesian groups in uh in britain and then i found out there are ones in canada and of
00:33:36.300 course i learned a lot from uh the old africa hands many of them who had been in rhodesia or
00:33:42.700 came from south africa or uh you know had african experience and i learned a lot in the edmund burke
00:33:50.540 society we were trying to um we're trying to uh uh unite anti-communists who were interested in action
00:33:59.740 rather than just talking and we were we were able to pull together a group that was mostly younger
00:34:07.020 people but not entirely uh so we were we were kind of well represented over the age bracket and we
00:34:14.620 expanded to other parts of canada we for a while had active groups in in ottawa in montreal in
00:34:22.700 edmonton um but our main area of activity was uh well it was toronto and we became quite notorious the
00:34:33.020 the uh uh the the daily tribune which sorry the canadian tribune which was the weekly paper of the
00:34:41.420 pro-moscow communist party of canada regularly denounced us as east european fascists and called
00:34:49.100 on the government to ban us and uh and so on and uh one of the interesting uh you know as we moved
00:34:56.780 from the 60s into the 70s uh in april 1970 uh there was the 100th anniversary of lenin's death
00:35:05.900 that's right uh birth for lenin's birth and um so uh we bought tickets and we sent about uh uh maybe
00:35:18.380 25 or 30 people into the lenin banquet meanwhile outside the lenin banquet uh there were about a
00:35:25.340 hundred of us and hundreds and hundreds of ukrainians and others protesting so there was a a protest outside
00:35:33.020 but and they didn't know it there was going to be a protest inside so uh i don't know if it was a
00:35:39.420 soviet ambassador or somebody else but at some point in the evening during just after the the banquet i
00:35:48.860 i think it was after the banquet got up and said to vladimir ilyich lenin and one of our guys jumped up
00:35:55.900 and said may he rot in hell and threw his glass down and then there was a riot inside uh fighting all
00:36:03.420 over the place and uh one of our guys got stabbed in the back and uh uh he recovered but it was um it was
00:36:12.220 mayhem and well you should have heard the denunciations after that in the communist party's paper
00:36:17.980 um so we we developed uh quite a a reputation for action
00:36:27.660 that's amazing um so another thing that they cover in your wikipedia smear page which um it impressed
00:36:37.660 canadian girls so much uh but we were i'm wondering how does it tie into they say you were connected to
00:36:44.300 the christian identity movement where does that tie in well not for not for a lot long uh farther on
00:36:53.660 the christian identity um i i'm a i'm a fairly regular speaker for pastor tom rob and i'm on his radio
00:37:05.260 show and he's christian identity uh christian identity um uh i'm not christian identity incidentally but
00:37:13.420 um believes that the european people are descendants of the ten lost tribes of israel
00:37:21.420 i don't believe that but uh some people do um but they'll uh you know i have a background in
00:37:28.940 linguistics and you know one of the arguments is look at dan the danube well that comes from dan
00:37:35.420 the tribe of dan in the old testament actually it doesn't come from the tribe of dan it it has nothing
00:37:41.900 to do with that uh but uh but the christian identity um is very concerned about our our white roots in
00:37:53.420 from in from europe uh they are very uh decent clean living christians and uh so i've been uh you know
00:38:03.820 involved with them without being one uh for for several decades uh and particularly pastor tom rob down in
00:38:13.340 harrison arkansas and uh uh well we had connections with the british israel people in them in canada when they
00:38:23.260 they were still fairly uh they were still fairly uh strong uh and and but it's uh i would say they
00:38:30.300 were allies but i am i'm not british israel or no you're not so okay so like you were just sort of
00:38:42.540 let's say in more of a supportive role like i noticed in your wikipedia page they were just sticking anything
00:38:48.940 to you right and and speaking as though being an a part of an anti-communist movement was a bad
00:38:55.340 thing right yeah you were agitating leftists as though that's a bad thing um and so they spoke to the
00:39:01.900 christian identity now they also bring up they said that you had connections to i think steven maybe steve if
00:39:09.660 you if you're ready to step up we're we're talking about they're talking about connections to the clan in the united states
00:39:15.900 um did you have connections there what like i'm wondering how this white awareness in you started
00:39:23.020 growing because it was clearly developing um but i'm wondering how did you meet these people what was
00:39:30.140 the story around that well i met lots of people at uh at uh conferences even in the edmund burke society
00:39:38.700 days we started developing uh contacts in in the united states and um we went to a big peace and freedom
00:39:47.580 march in in washington dc in the spring of 1971 and developed a lot of contacts um
00:39:55.900 uh so i got to meet a lot of people the the the the smear artists at wikipedia like to um uh make what
00:40:12.380 they call links or connections embellish sometimes a link is uh nothing more than you're in the same room
00:40:19.420 as somebody else um uh i've uh you know uh been at many conferences and shared the the um uh the
00:40:28.940 platform on numerous occasions with the representative dr david duke who was in the clan uh and tried to
00:40:37.580 lead the clan into more more modern times in the early 70s he uh gave that up in 1973 which is like
00:40:45.740 52 years ago uh in fact he's he's once jokingly said or more than once said he thinks he'll change
00:40:52.620 his name uh to uh uh add another first name it's former kukok's clan leader and then that's that'll be
00:41:02.700 his first name david duke uh because the the media will will uh that is just like a tag even though he
00:41:11.820 hasn't been in the clan for for you know since uh i think in 1973 um uh they they will never do the
00:41:20.460 same uh for for extreme left-wingers like uh um uh pierre elia trudeau uh was virtually a communist he uh uh
00:41:32.060 led a uh a delegation to an economic conference in moscow in 1952 well you you didn't just
00:41:41.740 pop into moscow in 52 and you didn't lead a delegation unless you were very much approved
00:41:48.300 now i'm not saying he was a member of the party uh but uh he had a lifetime uh of uh sympathy with
00:41:56.380 communism in 1959 he and his pal uh jacques bear who went on to become the head of the i think the
00:42:04.620 company of young canadians which is gave a lot of money to left wing groups and later on became a
00:42:10.780 a senator he the two of them went to china at the at the peak of the so-called great leap forward
00:42:19.340 which was such a catastrophe that probably 30 million chinese died of starvation
00:42:26.300 and now just ruined things like uh he noticed that that birds um ate uh you know the seeds of grain 0.84
00:42:37.820 well okay what we'll do is we'll kill all the birds well they they would send their fanatics out into the
00:42:45.820 fields and try to kill the birds or bang gongs and until the birds became uh half crazy and fell to 0.87
00:42:53.500 the earth and could be killed well what happened the next year uh well there were no very few birds to
00:42:59.500 eat grain but but there were locusts the the birds or had had you know kept some of the the the parasites
00:43:10.140 down and uh now that they were mostly killed uh i mean it was a terrible time but uh the trudeau and
00:43:19.340 a bear came back uh and we and wrote a book called uh uh deux innocents en chine or two innocents in china
00:43:27.740 well they weren't innocents they thought mao was doing a great job he was a great agricultural reformer 0.98
00:43:34.220 they were either absolutely stupid and i don't think that's the case or really pro-communist and um 0.96
00:43:43.180 trudeau uh had a lifelong um um uh uh admiration for uh fidel castro and uh in 59 not long after 1.00
00:43:57.180 castro came to power he tried to paddle a canoe believe it or not uh from the from florida to uh
00:44:04.620 uh to um uh to uh cuba you you wonder well what wouldn't he just take a plane well he got picked
00:44:13.100 up by the u.s coast guard and uh sent back but um uh yeah you know i mean he was uh but but if you read
00:44:21.980 uh uh uh his uh uh books about him or autobiography or i mean biography there'd be there'd be nothing
00:44:31.820 about this or virtually nothing and you got the impression well you know his big uh contribution
00:44:38.460 was uh uh uh uh was uh uh uh you know the uh repatriating the constitution and the charter of
00:44:47.660 rights and freedoms and blah blah blah blah blah blah but but uh uh wikipedia does not apply the same
00:44:56.780 standards to us uh uh you know uh you will basically just a big big smear sheet here um
00:45:05.900 steve i want you to jump in there babe
00:45:10.140 well it's pretty obvious why they won't apply that same standard because communism is the product of
00:45:16.140 karl marx who was born moses mordecai levy and uh the chinese communist party had um help establishing
00:45:24.940 itself particularly financial help from israel shapiro um but i did want to ask because tom rob
00:45:32.300 was brought up and with all due respect to the identity christians you know i'm not convinced that
00:45:39.100 europeans are the lost tribes of israel i am a pro-white christian um and i certainly
00:45:45.820 respect all the non-christian whites who are pro-white um but i'm curious if you ever had any
00:45:52.140 communications with pastor richard butler another identity christian uh i don't believe so but um
00:46:00.940 um a person who's quite close to us uh john ross taylor did and uh he would go every year to uh
00:46:11.180 uh hayden lake uh uh idaho uh and talk about the dedication of this guy um he'd get on a bus
00:46:21.980 and and and go across the continent of the continent well almost across the continent um
00:46:29.100 so uh i knew of pastor butler uh i i don't believe i ever had communication with him i know i never met him
00:46:35.500 um so basically like you know there's a lot of smearing of your name and i i did i did want to get
00:46:45.500 into that about what it's been like for you because i really get that you were super anti-communist
00:46:55.180 and and yes like it gets you fired up right and i can only imagine how fired up you were at 22 years old
00:47:02.060 um when it came to communism um when it came to communism and uh but you were also sort of
00:47:09.180 developing a white consciousness you know you were recognizing that uh maybe patterns of anti-white
00:47:15.820 hatred that were fledgling in in the you know the greater narrative in the media in academia you were
00:47:24.620 starting to see that um and then you know so like the media did come after you now you do have a long
00:47:34.780 history of running in politics and uh i noticed that i don't know if you'd said something that you know
00:47:42.460 behind the scenes to somebody and that made its way into the mainstream uh mainstream media and they ran a
00:47:51.100 very significant smear campaign against you and called and started calling you all those names right that
00:47:57.820 we've all been yeah the the media for the most part is very lazy and since the since the uh development of
00:48:08.620 the internet and uh uh uh and the uh uh you know wikipedia uh often uh a reporter won't you you won't even
00:48:21.020 call you yeah like the first thing you'll know is somebody says oh you got mentioned on on so and so
00:48:27.980 like the uh the canadian canadian anti-hate network which is massively funded by the liberal government uh liberal uh
00:48:36.060 uh uh uh uh did a profile on me uh late last week uh for that i'm running in in the tobico uh center
00:48:46.700 and uh you know call me a neo-nazi uh uh congratulations we've all congratulations we've all got one of those
00:48:55.740 articles steve has an article i have a article like it's good you know it's a rite of passage um so
00:49:02.060 congratulations yeah and and uh uh uh there's uh uh there's not a lot you can do about it uh i tried
00:49:12.540 at one point to get on uh wikipedia and uh okay you can change something but the change only lasts uh uh a day
00:49:23.020 or two and and then it's everything seems to revert back to what it is so um uh you know
00:49:32.300 it may be a bit fatalistic but i think you know if a reporter is that lazy and dishonest they won't
00:49:39.500 even call you to say well it says this what's your story there because i think uh uh good um
00:49:48.140 well a journalist uh know that wikipedia is uh not everything there is is true and uh uh uh
00:49:56.620 uh uh uh but but anyway the when the canadian anti-heat network did this little smear piece
00:50:04.060 on me uh uh about a week ago that they never called me you know they never called and said what is it
00:50:11.100 how would you describe yourself in uh proper journalism a person is allowed to identify
00:50:18.860 themselves you know supposing you formed uh uh the what within the town you live uh concerned
00:50:26.940 residents okay so a reporter is supposed to come to you and say well well what are you all about i mean
00:50:32.700 what what what's that group your group called what are you uh uh and you you should are supposed to be
00:50:40.380 able to say well we're a group of people concerned about uh uh uh well let's say the uh uh
00:50:45.340 uh uh uh the trap of the uh uh you know the traffic humps uh uh or uh on this street that are you
00:50:53.980 know damaging people's axles and so on uh he should not say and uh this group is is a group of communists
00:51:02.700 or a group of uh of neo-nazis or they do that with us uh uh uh uh uh you know i'm very seldom asked
00:51:12.060 well how would you describe yourself and i would say well uh i'm a i'm a populist uh i'm uh i lean
00:51:22.140 toward libertarianism and i'm concerned about preserving the european founding set for people
00:51:29.020 of this country and you i think you were asking well how did you become racially conscious well i guess
00:51:34.300 i always was up to a point uh you know i'm i was only uh uh uh 17 and i'm already pro-rhodesia but
00:51:46.380 we began to have the massive third world immigration um in the early 70s they they changed the law back in 0.97
00:51:54.540 65 which is exactly the same year they they changed our flag from the old red end sign to the well what you
00:52:02.860 have today because they had to get rid of that flag because if they were going to change the country
00:52:08.380 that flag is a reminder of our european origins and incidentally in 1965 that was the year uh they
00:52:16.380 they stacked a royal commission uh into hate propaganda and two of the seven members of the uh of the
00:52:26.940 royal commission on hate propaganda were were had been presidents of the canadian jewish congress
00:52:33.420 who represent uh less than one percent of the population so it was a stacked committee which eventually
00:52:39.660 um brought forth a report saying we need uh you know anti-free speech legislation which
00:52:47.580 in 71 became the hate law and uh uh you know it was all part of a plan uh uh but by by by the early
00:52:58.220 70s when we brought in the ugandan asians and then later in the 70s the so-called vietnamese boat people
00:53:05.740 uh and then large numbers of people from uh uh from jamaica we began to see changes in our cities and
00:53:14.940 then you know that a lot more people were were concerned about immigration well of course it was
00:53:21.180 still very white compared to today but um that that was how i became uh how immigration became a much
00:53:29.660 bigger issue uh as the 70s and as the 80s wore on than it was uh back in the edmund burke society days
00:53:39.340 so just a note on that hate commission um it was uh minister of justice guy pharaoh appointed a the
00:53:51.100 commission which was led by maxwell cohen no coincidence and also had saul hayes and bore alaskan
00:53:59.180 among the seven members so there's really um three jewish members and bore alaskan was later a head
00:54:07.020 chief of justice for canada and i believe she was on um on the he or bore alaskan sorry he wasn't he a um
00:54:20.780 a judge in the case against um paul keekstra in 1971 yeah
00:54:28.140 and also around that time they were um actively like irving himmel and some other you know um leading
00:54:39.020 some other jewish advocates um were campaigning against property conveyances like dresden ontario
00:54:46.620 was a big target of that um i'm i don't recall that uh i'm sorry it was 81 that the keekstra
00:54:59.500 case happened my yeah keekstra was uh uh was uh 83 uh no wait a second what i'm sorry what happened in
00:55:09.100 the keekstra case i'm i'm not tracking that well jim keekstra was an alberta school teacher and um he
00:55:16.780 taught um he taught uh well you know a pretty honest uh view of history um uh with the you know
00:55:26.540 considerable attention to uh uh world war ii uh to uh uh the the jewish role uh or the malicious jewish 0.74
00:55:37.580 role in uh in in politics over the last few centuries well he did that for a couple of years
00:55:44.540 finally somebody complained and they took it to the media and uh um uh there was all hell broke loose
00:55:54.060 and uh he was uh eventually fired then they took his teaching certificate and then under jewish lobby
00:56:02.620 pressure the federal the uh the government charged him under the hate law he was one of the first not
00:56:09.500 the first but one of the first cases and uh this time uh there was a real battle he had a young
00:56:17.820 victoria lawyer a really uh great guy uh doug christie a good friend of mine and uh they put up a tremendous
00:56:26.300 fight they went to the supreme court twice and in the end basically it uh it all fizzled out he was
00:56:35.180 convicted and he was he was sentenced to um 100 year 100 hours of community service the uh jewish lobby 0.52
00:56:46.140 was furious they wanted jail and um well then keistra waited around a few months and thought well geez
00:56:54.940 that they ought to be calling me for community service so he called uh well we'll get back to you
00:57:00.460 he thought well maybe they'd have him you know read to old folks or read to kids or something like that
00:57:06.300 and uh in the end he he he never did a single hour of community service i think they were too afraid to
00:57:13.420 set set him loose in the community even reading to kids uh but uh you know in many ways it ruined
00:57:20.300 his life he he lost his job he lost his uh teaching certificate uh he would he had been mayor of this
00:57:28.300 small town called eckville he he was not reelected to that uh and uh uh yeah you know yeah and of course his
00:57:38.380 name was blackened uh through uh through through the media and uh i knew a lot of his supporters and
00:57:46.620 the group well i we formed this group uh just about that time that was called the canadian association
00:57:52.940 for free expression which still exists and we'd um we'd uh uh raised money for him and uh uh you know
00:58:03.500 i got to know him and and know many of his supporters have very he was a very very deeply committed
00:58:09.980 christian and um this um a bad combination of being a deeply committed christian and being a stubborn
00:58:18.540 dutchman uh you know he when he believed in something he was going to uh stay he was going to stand up for
00:58:26.460 that uh you know a more cautious or frightened person might uh might say oh well i'll keep it well for you
00:58:33.500 i'm glad that frank has come up yes welcome i i wanted you to join and um okay you've got your hand
00:58:40.700 up so come on in yeah thank you hey paul it's a pleasure to meet you um this is interesting i'm glad
00:58:47.580 you are speaking to you know this new generation or actually several newer generations i had a question
00:58:55.340 for you paul real quick did you know uh tom metzker personally uh no uh i did not know him
00:59:03.340 person you know okay so i mean if you're asking me do i know who he is yes but i did not know him
00:59:09.180 personally yes sir yeah yeah yeah i'm uh some of the guys and everybody in the in the space or a lot
00:59:15.180 of them you kind of know me so i'm leading into something else paul um okay so i want the young
00:59:21.420 people in here to know when i first really kind of turned the corner um into something that i've
00:59:29.260 dedicated my whole life to uh paul and a whole crew of other men like earn zundell cake straw uh
00:59:36.300 john ross taylor these guys were already you know very much in the mix in canada so we had
00:59:42.700 reason why i asked paul about whether he knew tom's because you a lot of you guys know that i you know
00:59:48.460 my center of gravity was with a certain type of people but paul really um and and don't take this
00:59:56.700 wrong paul but i mean it is what it is so compared to me and my comrades you know you represented
01:00:02.940 somewhat of a very academic conservative you know political kind of a system whereas we were a little
01:00:08.940 bit more rambunctious because i'm younger than you and so on so forth but i want everybody to know in the
01:00:14.860 space men like paul from earn zundell um doug christie um john ross taylor there's a whole lot of names
01:00:25.420 that a lot of americans didn't know about but i was fortunate to know and know somewhat of what
01:00:32.540 mr from was going through so it is it is good that these young canadian uh men and women are listening
01:00:40.220 to you for the first time i see that you just opened an account i don't know if that's your very
01:00:45.420 first time or you had problems but just hang in there paul and there's probably a lot of these young
01:00:51.420 people that really require the evidentiary um history that you can provide for them uh for
01:01:00.700 canadians because as a lot of the younger guys like steve knows um myself and in the men that i
01:01:07.820 associated with we had a lot to do with some canadian men who represented in my mind very very patriotic
01:01:16.780 canadians uh back in the day but they were not mainstream they weren't you know like yourself and
01:01:25.020 maybe not zundell although he was mainstream in his own strange way but uh after uh christie
01:01:31.820 pretty much started taking his case that's when it pushed me over the edge when i saw how you guys
01:01:37.900 were being treated unlike us americans in those days you know late 70s or early 80s when they started
01:01:45.180 that human rights commission i knew you guys were cooked and you know sure enough the usual suspects
01:01:51.900 the communists bolsheviks whatever you want to call these guys they have literally destroyed your 0.97
01:01:57.260 country i watched this almost from ground zero and on so i'm really glad to see you here paul and
01:02:05.260 you know just carry on well thank you very much uh uh you're right about the uh there are two basic
01:02:14.300 ways they can come after you uh for free speech legally um one is uh the criminal code and that's
01:02:22.940 uh section 318 which is promotion of violent of uh of uh genocide against a privileged group but it's
01:02:31.420 not as simple as it sounds you you know you can transgress that uh without necessarily saying uh
01:02:39.580 kill over you know whatever uh and then there's section 319 of the criminal code also also part of
01:02:45.660 the hate law which is uh uh uh willfully exposing to uh uh willfully promoting hatred against a 0.74
01:02:56.220 privileged group that would be uh race religion sex sexual orientation sexual mixed-upness uh and so on
01:03:04.380 uh that they can send you to jail uh the other way the other thing are human rights tribunals
01:03:13.180 um like the federal human rights tribunal um uh find a lot of people and put subjected them to
01:03:22.620 lifetime gag orders for for comments they made on the internet which were likely to expose to hatred or
01:03:31.580 contempt um any of the usual privileged groups and i argued a number of cases uh for people who didn't
01:03:39.580 have the money for a lawyer and uh uh we we found uh for instance what is likely you know is a comment
01:03:48.780 likely to expose a group to hatred or contempt well you know if you're a pessimist uh you know it's
01:03:57.020 probably going to rain tomorrow if you're an optimist it's likely going to be sunny uh likely is such a
01:04:03.180 loosey-goosey term uh and uh in those cases they they didn't have to prove anybody had ever been moved
01:04:10.780 by your comments uh to hate uh uh you know or have contempt for a group the other you know weasel word is
01:04:19.740 contempt uh well contempt is really having a negative opinion about something uh so uh if i say to you um
01:04:30.780 uh justin trudeau is a lightweight uh uh you know spoiled rich kid with some radical ideas
01:04:42.140 uh well if you believe me i guess you might have think less of him and that's contempt well so really
01:04:48.220 what it meant was any critical comment about uh about privileged groups and uh i came to the
01:04:55.980 conclusion you simply couldn't win a case that the only uh argument uh there might be a winner would
01:05:01.980 be i didn't do it i didn't post it well you know usually it was not not controversial you you obviously
01:05:09.260 posted and so um yeah now that got the eventually uh in 2013 that got uh that was called section 13 got
01:05:22.460 repealed uh uh and uh the the radical left and the jewish lobby has been trying to get that back up
01:05:31.660 ever since and they nearly got it with a wicked piece of legislation called bill c63 but
01:05:38.700 that died on the order paper when trudeau prorogued the house so uh sometimes we won we won one
01:05:47.820 unfortunately um even you know it's dead in the water for right now but even if there
01:05:53.900 is a conservative government after the election uh pierre polyev has said before that he would
01:06:01.740 introduce his own common sense version of said legislation so i you know i don't i don't know
01:06:10.060 whether i don't think even with his own party he could get away with something as wild as that now
01:06:16.700 but they might put something uh uh something in yeah
01:06:24.940 okay paul well the name ernst sundell came up and perhaps you could tell the audience
01:06:30.060 who ernst sundell was and how you developed uh like a friendship with him yeah okay ernst um sundell
01:06:40.860 was a graphic artist he came to canada when he was um uh 20 in 1958 he uh first came to montreal and
01:06:52.780 to montreal and then to toronto he uh he uh established a very lucrative graphic arts business
01:07:00.940 um he um uh was uh often did a lot of work on the old sears catalog the older people in the audience
01:07:11.260 may remember that uh there was a time when um instead of shopping on the internet most
01:07:17.180 households would get this big thick catalog from uh eatens and from sears anyway he did a lot of
01:07:24.460 that type of work and did very well um uh he is it was original originally a believer in the
01:07:32.940 in the uh so-called holocaust but he uh he learned from a man in in montreal named
01:07:41.820 um um oh my gosh this is terrible uh uh uh a fellow being interned during the second world war
01:07:53.820 uh and uh he earned said uh uh that he he learned from him what it meant to be a german he was taught
01:08:01.580 he was taught pride and taught an awful lot of things uh uh uh so uh after he'd been in toronto for
01:08:11.020 a number of years uh along came the series called the holocaust and a lot of people had pretty much
01:08:18.700 forgotten about world war ii but that created a tremendous wave of anti-german hatred and 0.94
01:08:26.780 very ignorant school teachers and i used to be one not ignorant but a school teacher many people are 0.92
01:08:32.780 frank quite frankly lightweights well they would be saying and the german people uh you know massacre the 0.99
01:08:39.580 jews and the german people uh gas the jews and and push poor little heidi and hans would be to come 1.00
01:08:46.140 home in in tears and sometimes they were actually even singled out by uh by teachers as a well your
01:08:52.860 people did this or that and uh so the ernst was seen in the german community as a as a man with
01:09:02.140 good english and good communication skills he's a graphic artist so he a lot of germans look to him to
01:09:09.420 uh uh uh you know to help them in this case and uh in this situation so he uh he started uh
01:09:21.020 parents of german uh descent and uh they would go to school boards and ask for fair play uh they would
01:09:28.620 uh pick at uh movies that were anti-german and they got a lot of publicity um uh and um
01:09:36.540 um um sent uh uh tens of thousands of copies of a of a book called uh a booklet called uh did six
01:09:48.380 million really die and which poked holes in the conventional story of the uh uh of the uh travails
01:09:59.980 of jews during world war ii and uh that caused just a a tremendous uh furor at at one point
01:10:09.900 ernst for about a year lost his mailing privileges uh it was really totalitarian um they never went
01:10:17.180 after him under the hate law because truth is a defense and that's very interesting so they dredged up
01:10:25.180 an old law called uh fault promotion of false news so they charged him and he couldn't get a lawyer
01:10:34.300 the lawyers by this time were really scared you know they uh and with the rising power of the the
01:10:40.220 jewish lobby uh the few lawyers were wanted to have anything to do with with something controversial
01:10:47.500 like that something mundane like a murder no problem but uh uh and along came doug christie
01:10:54.460 uh and uh doug christie represented earns through two trials um um and uh uh he he lost both but
01:11:05.020 then it was appealed to the supreme court and got the law tossed out the law was never meant uh for uh
01:11:14.220 for historical questions uh the law dated way back to the early years of the of the 19th century
01:11:25.420 and had been um uh used to try to prevent people from committing fraud like you know if you could
01:11:35.020 spread a rumor uh that uh uh that there was a glut on the wheat market in in england the the wheat
01:11:44.220 is a surplus it might make many uh canadian farmers sell their wheat cheap well if it's a false rumor
01:11:52.140 uh some sharpie uh buys the wheat cheap then goes and sells it in england uh at a huge markup and
01:11:59.100 and makes a fortune so it was a commercial law it was meant uh you know basically to to prevent fraud
01:12:07.100 uh uh and uh the supreme court through it out but uh it it it was a battle that cost
01:12:15.820 or earns millions and millions of dollars uh uh a poorer man uh would have been uh just destroyed
01:12:27.020 you know you know in most cases your defense runs out when your money does
01:12:31.740 yeah that's how they're beating a lot of people now it's lawfare right yeah did you want did you
01:12:38.780 want to say something steve yeah just to put it out there there's a channel on odyssey.com which is
01:12:45.500 spelled o-d-y-s-e-e.com called the ernst zundel video collection and so a lot of zundel's work is still
01:12:54.380 on the internet thanks to that channel including i think all of his voice of freedom broadcasts that
01:13:01.900 he used to do on tv and there's also a very interesting stream by devin stack called the
01:13:09.020 leuchter edition which is about fred leuchter who was a um engineer that built execution systems and
01:13:16.700 uh examined the you know death camps in uh in um poland and germany to try to find evidence of uh
01:13:27.340 cyanide residue and warned zundel before he was hired like hey if i find evidence you know i'm going to
01:13:34.460 testify the truth and um concluded that there was no such evidence yeah and i don't know where
01:13:43.420 you're calling from and you don't have to answer the question but in in the police state of canada
01:13:49.180 today we are a uh we are a theocracy we have a state religion but it isn't christianity and it isn't
01:13:56.380 islam it isn't paganism it's it's holocaust uh it's a criminal offense to um uh to deny or diminish 0.86
01:14:07.660 the holocaust the so-called holocaust um it's blasphemy
01:14:14.540 it's like blasphemy paul yeah it was blasphemy it's like a a theocracy where um yeah you know like
01:14:21.980 in iran i imagine if you say something vulgar like the ala socks or something uh that's blasphemy
01:14:29.020 and you could probably uh suffer a serious penalty um and uh while there is freedom of religion actually
01:14:37.900 in iran um there is a state religion so uh you know other religions have to be kind of quiet uh uh you know
01:14:47.980 not not uh and certainly not directly uh uh attack islam uh but well that's well that's what that's
01:14:54.700 what it's like in canada um very few people know that but that was a uh that was a motion brought 0.98
01:15:00.940 forth by a stupid conservative mp from saskatchewan it passed uh uh no i think it was a i think it got 0.98
01:15:10.700 through second reading and then trudeau put the same thing into his uh uh his omnibus 1.00
01:15:18.460 budget bill so this anti-free speech piece of legislation got tacked on to the uh a budget
01:15:25.580 bill i believe it was three years ago um uh but i've been a free speech supporter um well since we
01:15:35.180 founded the canadian association for free expression in 83 but even before that i i would the old edden
01:15:42.380 burke society was very active in opposing uh the introduction of the hate law we learned an awful lot
01:15:50.140 more since that time uh at that time the argument was simply about free speech uh uh but um we found
01:16:00.380 out that uh the science and the uh uh the uh well the apparent growth of the canadian nazi party were
01:16:11.420 all farces uh the uh uh when the when the uh royal commission on hate propaganda was considering its um
01:16:21.260 uh you know what what should be done about hate propaganda they had a major problem there wasn't
01:16:26.780 much hate so-called hate propaganda and what there was was or the odd little broadsheets uh imported from
01:16:33.900 the united states so we we still had a fairly good anglo-saxon respect for free speech so there didn't
01:16:41.500 seem to be much need for it well they they got a a a an assistant professor uh uh of psychology at the
01:16:54.300 university of toronto uh named uh frederick kaufman and he did a uh report uh that uh hate propaganda uh
01:17:05.420 had a terrible effect that uh uh it it made the uh people that were being criticized that it made them
01:17:13.100 afraid uh it made them want to drop out of society it made them want to uh uh maybe drown their sorrows in
01:17:22.380 in in in alcohol or drugs and that was the scientific basis that they based the report on
01:17:29.500 well fast forward uh many years uh to the uh early 2010s when we were fighting the canadian human rights
01:17:40.620 commission uh we got a uh a professor who was actually being a draft dodger named persinger
01:17:47.500 and he was up at lakehead university and he was he was an expert on on these types of things and he
01:17:54.940 provided a tremendous uh paper and testimony that um that that uh uh uh uh kaufman was it was out to
01:18:07.660 lunch he said well at his in his time in this early mid-60s what he wrote was
01:18:14.700 and he phrased it highly speculative which is a polite way of saying uh you know you tell me your
01:18:22.140 dreams and i'll tell you mine but he said today with what we know uh from your neuroscience how 0.79
01:18:29.500 how the brain actually works we know he i think he said it was bullshit but anyway very close to that 0.91
01:18:35.500 that it's just nonsense so the hate law was based on scientific nonsense and just to kind of refute what 0.83
01:18:43.180 uh kaufman said uh the the uh the reaction of people to he said i won't use the term hate propaganda he
01:18:52.620 said i will use the term aversive language so that's any language that's critical of your group
01:18:58.220 well there's he said there are basically two reactions one you pass it off as nonsense yeah
01:19:04.060 it's crazy it's laughable don't pay any attention or you get angry and say oh boy i want to refute that
01:19:10.220 i'm going to you know do it write a pamphlet or put something up on the internet or whatever and i
01:19:15.740 in either case no harm done uh well the the story got even better as the years went on and we because
01:19:25.980 in 1965 suddenly there was a something called the canadian nazi party led by a young 21 year old
01:19:33.980 canadian named john beaty and it had a couple of marches and uh got an awful lot of publicity in
01:19:40.620 the city for about six months in the toronto papers you know uh john beaty uh uh could be whistling and
01:19:49.740 it would be front page news beaty will march beaty will defy the law beaty will this beaty will that
01:19:55.660 uh and uh and so what that did was create the impression that there there's a menace a nazi
01:20:03.340 party and it's being led by young guys they're not old east europeans or old germans it's it's
01:20:09.180 attracting young people oh my god uh well here's the real story uh john beaty was sincere well he was
01:20:17.180 he wasn't he wasn't john beaty used to hang out at the uh social credit party headquarters on
01:20:23.660 one on young street and these were mostly old guys who were into social credit and as an economic
01:20:33.420 system and they would sit around for hours debating social credit then i am i am a social creditor but
01:20:40.700 uh i'd have to say whenever you get uh two social creditors together you get three different
01:20:47.260 interpretations of what it means but anyway and so beaty is a young guy 21 and
01:20:53.260 uh so uh he uh oh he kind of liked this but he wanted action i mean sitting around with the
01:21:01.980 old guys talking about the ins and outs of social credit uh didn't quite do it for him so he recruited
01:21:07.420 a couple of other younger people from that group but the jews had spotters in there and i was trying to
01:21:15.100 figure out okay who's got money here who doesn't who's uh a potential leader who is just a follower
01:21:21.260 well anyway uh they befriended beaty and beaty's big uh weakness was beer so they apply him with uh
01:21:31.820 with uh uh jugs of beer and uh they said well what are you thinking of doing john well he said uh i'd like
01:21:40.300 to um i think i'll have a protest outside the u.s united states consulate against the communists
01:21:46.220 which is of course what we would do uh uh about a year and a half later uh well what what flag are
01:21:53.500 you going to have well the union jack is like one of john beaty's interests like forever has been
01:22:01.660 something called the british people's league so he's very proud of being british oh no that's nobody's
01:22:07.100 gonna pay attention to that these jews said to him no you've got to have a swastika that will get 0.99
01:22:12.700 attention now you might wonder how could anybody be so stupid but these were more tolerant times 0.99
01:22:18.940 yeah i mean he he didn't really like the idea but they convinced him it was swastika so okay uh 0.99
01:22:28.300 and then uh uh a week or two later two young guys show up and and they say well you're going to need
01:22:35.900 uh stormtroopers you need young guys to protect you well they'd even gone down to malabar which is a 0.51
01:22:43.340 theater uh supply place and uh they got um i think it was brown shirt uniforms but anyway some uh national
01:22:53.020 socialist uniform and uh and they well these two guys they're two young jews and then another guy shows up
01:23:01.900 uh and his name is uh uh garity and uh he is a private detective working for the canadian jewish
01:23:12.300 congress but he says to me uh well you're going to need security i mean i i'm good at uh uh you know
01:23:18.860 i'm a private detective i can um uh i can find out who's who for you who potential members are well
01:23:26.540 yeah he found out and the information goes to the canadian jewish congress so um uh he john beattie
01:23:35.420 said he was going to march in allen gardens which is in downtown toronto and the the day of the big
01:23:42.540 march uh beattie of course he's poor he comes on a streetcar uh his body his uh head of security
01:23:51.340 the the the uh uh private detective doesn't come the the two young student storm troopers are nowhere
01:23:57.660 to be seen there are one or two supporters there's a crowd of five thousand jews in allen gardens and
01:24:05.260 some jew who would later go on to harass urn sundal a guy named lawrence came out of the crowd waving
01:24:12.300 a set of binocular pair of binoculars a crack beating uh just uh at the temple and the doctor would
01:24:19.820 later say if it had been a uh half an inch one way or the other he could well have died so anyway
01:24:25.660 he's lying bloody and knocked out police throw him in the paddy wagon and um that began to be the end
01:24:33.500 of the canadian nazi party because uh uh suddenly uh the the publicity got turned off because but by now
01:24:43.340 uh you know there have been enough publicity to to to create the impression there was a nazi party
01:24:49.420 there really is a danger we need a hate law and uh uh the the final demise of the nazi party came a
01:24:57.500 few months later uh the uh private detective said uh you've got to take the war to the jews
01:25:05.180 so uh beattie said oh how do i do that well he said i have a list here of the homes of some
01:25:11.500 prominent jewish leaders so what you do is you've got to take this sign the and i forget what was on the
01:25:17.820 sign but you know but you've got to hang it on the on the uh on the uh door handle that was very
01:25:25.980 important well the law the way is the way it stood at that time if you just left the sign on the uh on
01:25:34.540 the porch or on the step that's just you know pamphletary if you hung it on the doorknob that was a
01:25:43.180 uh uh trespass now the law must have been changed because i've stuck many a a door hanger for elections
01:25:50.940 on on doorknobs and it's no longer a problem but anyway first house fine that was done second house
01:25:57.900 okay third house justice beattie is coming down the driveway the headlights go on uh and there are 0.99
01:26:04.940 police there with their guns drawn uh get on the ground you fucking nazi baba and uh and so he he was 0.98
01:26:12.460 ended up it ended up he was sentenced to six months in jail and that pretty much killed the canadian 0.99
01:26:18.940 nazi party which basically had been set up by the the jews to create the appearance of a of a danger 0.99
01:26:27.420 and that's what that's what eventually got the hate bill the uh the report of the of the uh royal
01:26:35.100 commission on hate propaganda got it uh in into print and it took another uh six years but eventually
01:26:44.220 became law again under pierre trudeau oh yes trudeau was also a member of the royal commission on hate
01:26:49.580 propaganda uh it it's a weird old world i should just mention because i am a canadian citizen of course i do
01:27:01.500 not deny the uh ihra's official narrative of the holocaust well of course of course i i'm sure uh uh
01:27:15.180 but my way my answer to that is um uh let me see whatever this holocaust thing is um it didn't happen
01:27:26.620 to canada in canada it didn't happen to canadians and whatever it was canadians didn't do it in fact
01:27:34.620 canadians fought against the people who allegedly did do it so as the country and western singer
01:27:40.860 travis tritt says here's a quarter call someone who cares yeah it's not my uh my position it's not my
01:27:48.860 tribe's history uh my tribe has had a lot of suffering uh it doesn't interest me i i won't deny it or
01:27:56.940 i don't care and i think that is a really healthy attitude and it's an attitude a lot of younger
01:28:03.580 people as in under 40 according to recent public opinion polls uh show a lot of younger people have
01:28:10.940 that it's such ancient history uh it just doesn't doesn't bite even though they've heard about it about
01:28:18.620 100 million times in the education system what they do see is uh you know on on the social media and
01:28:26.380 even in sometimes in the lamestream press that they see uh the atrocities in gay in gaza they see uh
01:28:34.380 young kids blown to bits buildings pulverized uh uh it looks like uh berlin after at the end of the
01:28:41.740 second world war and who's doing that well the people doing that are the people who have long
01:28:47.500 been the professional victims you know uh ever since world war ii what gave the jewish lobby a lot of 0.74
01:28:53.580 strength was victimology uh we were victims uh did i mention sex melee oh did i mention uh uh auschwitz
01:29:02.220 uh you know oh poor us uh and a lot of you know well-meaning or soft-headed uh uh people who didn't
01:29:09.580 know much of european history that fell for that you know they're victims okay we got to give them
01:29:14.780 special privileges with a hate law uh yeah we've got to support israel uh and and so on but with with
01:29:22.060 people under 40 that is uh that that feeling is uh is rapidly changing and dying out uh since
01:29:31.260 the events of october 6th steve you want to jump in there yeah well and i mean i am a free speech
01:29:38.620 absolutist i you know don't think that uh there should be any limits on you know reasonable speech
01:29:46.380 like outside of um you know direct incitements of violence um and i often find it interesting that
01:29:53.580 one could deny the genocide in ukraine the holodomor which killed anywhere from five and a 0.80
01:30:00.540 half to 11 million ukrainians or you could deny the genocide in russia but there's only
01:30:08.300 there's only there's only one genocide that is illegal to downplay or deny in 18 countries and
01:30:15.260 you know i'm of the belief that the truth doesn't fear any scrutiny and yeah you know to your point
01:30:21.500 about the um the changing attitudes of younger generations um there's a recording of uh jonathan
01:30:29.260 greenblatt the leader of the anti-defamation league of benai breath in america saying that um you know
01:30:36.940 the the the tick tock needs to be banned because anti-semitism isn't a left or a right issue it's a
01:30:46.220 old and young issue the young people um you know by and large are um are not buying into these uh
01:30:54.780 narratives that have been perpetuated
01:30:56.540 uh oh yeah the uh uh you know as a free speech uh supporter um uh we've long uh pointed to the uh
01:31:10.460 the jewish lobby groups so you know the adl in the states the center for israel and jewish affairs here
01:31:16.700 b'nei breath uh friends of the sun and reisenthal center that they're they are the major advocates for
01:31:22.620 censorship now they're they're they're uh joined but uh but less noisily and less powerfully by uh
01:31:31.260 uh uh groups uh some of the spokesmen for the native groups they'd like uh people questioning the uh
01:31:40.460 uh the residential schools tale uh punished but that's not no law not the other against the law
01:31:47.100 uh and uh of course the lgbtq crowd are also big into censorship but the the major um force uh for
01:31:58.220 censorship in canada since the second world war has been uh the the jewish lobby groups we have 0.99
01:32:05.100 the hate bill entirely because of the old canadian jewish congress well and what's interesting about
01:32:11.740 that residential school denialism bill that was introduced it was introduced by an ndp uh mp named leah gazan
01:32:20.540 who is a mixed ancestry of aboriginal and jewish uh ancestry yeah yeah uh uh uh yeah so like on the free
01:32:33.500 speech front um i i'd say in the last few months we've we've won a few and uh uh and among the
01:32:42.940 younger people and this must be just infuriating to the jewish lobby uh despite all the propaganda
01:32:51.180 that they've gotten in their schools uh you know on the cbc and uh from paul mainstream politicians
01:32:57.260 uh there's some substantial skepticism uh among younger people and some older people too but
01:33:05.660 uh mostly younger people it must be uh just maddening after all the public all the propaganda that's
01:33:13.980 being pumped out there the substantial numbers don't believe or think it's exaggerated and what they're
01:33:21.500 seeing you know on the tv every day is the the zionist atrocities in in palestine uh and uh uh you know
01:33:31.740 unfortunately they're uh you know if you're interested in religion uh christian zionists uh and that
01:33:40.060 means uh a very a lot most evangelicals not all but uh just uh uh lock stock and barrel uh for israel
01:33:51.500 uh uh for uh it's a complicated story but uh uh uh uh it's uh just a wackadoodle uh interpretation
01:34:01.340 of the uh uh well in the catholic church we called it the uh the book of the apocalypse uh the
01:34:07.900 apocalypse and the protestant churches the revelations um yeah we we're aware for we're aware uh paul
01:34:16.940 i just i'm actually i'm not over your story about john beattie i didn't know this story and i just
01:34:23.500 wanted to maybe like pull frank in on this um a frank had you ever heard about john beattie the
01:34:29.500 canadian nazi party or are you familiar with stunts like this where kids were set up um by jewish lobby
01:34:39.100 groups to you know basically stick a swastika in their hand and next thing you know they're under arrest
01:34:44.780 well i don't know anything about the canadian uh john beattie doesn't ring a bell actually
01:34:52.460 but this kind of a template has been used probably since time immemorial it does work over and over
01:34:59.020 again because our people never get up to speed they don't think in terms of revolutionary or
01:35:05.580 counter-revolutionary activity so they the the mass will never be up to speed right but the people who
01:35:11.740 count for something uh in america i'd say that nine times out of ten times we always dodged a bullet 0.98
01:35:20.460 and then there was always that idiot that just popped in you know he hit the streets you know 1.00
01:35:26.540 he thought he was all that he was brand new he started running his mouth and doing some kind of 1.00
01:35:31.580 activism and then he collected people around him and they set him up and he went down pretty hard
01:35:37.740 so it just it's it's what i always say this is the cost of doing business it's just something if you
01:35:44.460 guys become professional grade that's a different story but if you're just trying to plink around
01:35:50.540 and trying to change stuff by running your mouth you're going to really run into some problems so
01:35:55.260 that's just my take thanks yeah you've got you you have to be careful uh and uh yeah you can be so
01:36:04.700 careful you never do anything uh but you can uh my recommendation to people up here is uh if a group
01:36:15.900 start if somebody starts talking about violence walk away uh the uh and if somebody who never has
01:36:25.260 been involved in anything comes up and uh i've had this on several occasions uh how do i get in touch with
01:36:32.540 the ku cox clan well wait a sec who are you what sort of activism uh have you ever been involved in that
01:36:40.300 you want to go from zero to 180 in in one in one swift action uh i'd be intensely suspicious and uh um
01:36:52.460 uh well we known one agent provocateur got a government agent actually who approached several
01:37:01.900 people back in the heritage front days with a list listen i've got a list of of jewish leaders in
01:37:08.220 toronto and their addresses and this was actually a man named grant bristow who was a paid csis agent
01:37:15.500 when when he did this to doug christie in victoria christie got up from the table and said who the 0.68
01:37:21.260 fuck are you and walked away um and you know anybody that's uh it wants to get it just happens to have 0.98
01:37:29.900 a list of of their home number home addresses uh why are you telling me this if you want to do something 1.00
01:37:36.940 why don't you do it but why why would you want to involve me and christy could smell what was going to
01:37:43.180 come out of that if he had taken the list and studied it it could be a big story um
01:37:50.860 right-wing lawyer uh uh uh you know has little hit list of uh prominent jews that would that that
01:37:59.740 would be uh career destroying uh you you you walked right into like this is where i was going next
01:38:07.180 your mind reader into the heritage front and grant bristow who was a csis operative who infiltrated
01:38:15.020 this group but frank has his hand up frank go for it and then we'll we'll get into the heritage front
01:38:20.380 and what happened there yeah yeah i'm looking forward to that because uh um hf was like it was for us
01:38:26.940 younger guys way back in the day i really i really looked up to heritage front for a whole lot of
01:38:33.340 reasons but i want to i'm not counter signaling paul here so don't don't take offense paul it but
01:38:39.420 i have to i have to kind of manage this conversation it's fascinating because i i'm going back in time
01:38:45.500 right uh so when people used to tell me to be careful or that they they seem like they were risk
01:38:53.580 averse this is why this is why i preface the my commentary with um the conservatives versus kind of
01:39:01.340 what i was into it's fascinating because i keep trying to tell these youngsters in here
01:39:07.580 nothing changes human psychology remains exactly the same
01:39:14.300 it's only it's only the techniques that changes like we got computers now we didn't have it back
01:39:19.100 then so on so forth but i always said paul and uh it's it's interesting that you and i never ran into
01:39:25.980 each other because i was kind of getting around when i was a youngster but um i'm not risk averse
01:39:31.820 and being risk averse has been this very cogent delineation between conservatives and some of the
01:39:40.380 younger people back in the day including guys like tom metzker and some of the more or less um street
01:39:46.060 fighter you know pro white working class kind of thing these are all things i've tried to explain
01:39:52.060 to several of these spaces that we were all broken up into these various manifestations exactly like
01:40:00.380 the young people today are seeing these manifestations so i mean literally i can juxtapose myself
01:40:06.940 40 plus years ago the same discussions that paul is having now and a lot of other people uh it's it
01:40:15.420 nothing changes it's only hopefully that some of you younger people are going to learn
01:40:20.620 from this broad memory hole that paul represents in part myself in part a lot of these other names that
01:40:27.180 we talk about and now hopefully some of you youngsters are going to get a brain and start becoming more 0.85
01:40:33.100 professional grade and cut out all of this bullshit that kept a lot of us from going forward when i say we 0.91
01:40:40.380 i mean our our movement our the fight for our people i mean jesus christ it's been over uh 45 years
01:40:47.500 years and all of a sudden i'm looking around and i'm going well everybody's starting to you know
01:40:52.780 uh recreate the the freaking wheel and it's it can be daunting this is why and and paul you haven't been
01:40:59.820 present but i've spoken at length in some of these spaces a lot of my mentors and we don't need to go over
01:41:06.540 that um they worked their entire life 40 50 years and more for their people right and i i
01:41:14.140 often wondered as a young man how these older guys could put up with a lot of the just retards 1.00
01:41:22.140 that were coming down the pike and in back in my time they were starting to reinvent the wheel 0.64
01:41:27.500 that some of these older guys had come to grips with but they didn't have access to all the intelligence
01:41:34.060 uh community or not maybe not intelligence community but the the social media the the amount
01:41:40.860 of intel but still i'm not a real big fan and a lot of these people will tell you that i'm still
01:41:46.940 in the real world i still deal or i prefer to deal in the real world with people i just was asked tonight
01:41:53.580 to give a commentary on an issue that's that's going on and i said look i i don't make commentary
01:42:00.380 through these through this venue if i was there in real life i might decide to
01:42:07.260 interdict myself and make commentary but paul knows all this i'm just speaking to
01:42:13.980 a lot of the youngsters in here but good to see the interaction because hopefully
01:42:19.820 if you listen to enough of us you can kind of parse that information together and figure out
01:42:26.940 the proper ways for you guys to make your statement to the world because there is a transference
01:42:35.900 going on i mean it just is what it is as time goes under the bridge a lot of you younger guys are 0.70
01:42:41.420 going to have to actually stand up and be counted and if you do that you better have your freaking
01:42:46.300 ducks in a row otherwise um you know you're going to pay for it and so will the people around you
01:42:52.860 but i i will reiterate i am not risk averse and there is a fundamental difference between the way i view
01:43:00.460 the world the way tom metzker and a lot of the other men that i knew in my life versus i um the
01:43:06.300 other class of conservatives like jerry taylor or you know i'm not bad-mouthing anybody it just is what
01:43:12.300 it is their rhetoric is different than what i was drawn to and that's why i have repeated many times
01:43:20.140 each one of us is drawn to a psychological voice you know uh that that appeals to you and therein lies
01:43:29.740 both um the goal and the and the message about what to watch out for um what to embrace so on and so
01:43:38.460 forth because no matter how you guys look at at what we're into whether you call it a movement or a
01:43:44.700 a social movement or whatever it's all based on personalities and those personalities run a very
01:43:51.740 very broad gamut of individuals so always bear that in mind everybody and when you listen you can
01:43:59.420 listen even if you disagree in some part but you can file the part that you feel a certain resonance
01:44:06.140 with going forward because certainly and paul will agree with this i'm sure we need more academics
01:44:13.500 we need more lawyers we we need all this very broad range of people why because ultimately even if
01:44:21.980 you're a fighter then you need to have a political party or a political group if you will that's being
01:44:30.060 funded to do some of the things that you can't do as an individual this is just this is a boilerplate
01:44:37.500 kind of a program right but just bear in mind that some people might be good for a couple of years 0.98
01:44:43.340 right and if they fade out don't lose your shit you know it happens it's the cost of doing business 0.87
01:44:50.060 yeah and if you put your all your eggs in one basket and that that person disappoints you don't 0.99
01:44:55.740 just throw it away and say oh man you know this is all bs uh no just take it on the chin and try it
01:45:03.580 again because some of these leaders guys like like paul i'm sure i'm kind of speaking for you paul but i'm
01:45:10.780 sure you've been knocked down many many many times but you're still here after all these years
01:45:17.740 so kudos to you thanks for the mic base yeah thank you um paul i just i just muted you while you were
01:45:27.260 coughing you're gonna have to unmute yourself um but i wanted to talk about the heritage front and um
01:45:35.260 this was kind of my first understanding of an organization that was involving you know uh our
01:45:44.940 white folk and uh then it had been infiltrated by a government agency and you know grant bristow in
01:45:52.860 particular and he was uh encouraging people to do more and more reckless things kind of like
01:46:01.260 you know this story with this poor kid who you know just wanted to wanted to get a john beaty he
01:46:08.380 wanted to get into the streets and next thing you know he was being set up um for an arrest so maybe
01:46:15.020 you can talk about what the heritage front was um what if you had any connection to it and then um you know
01:46:22.940 how grant bristow got involved and how the whole thing got uh turned
01:46:27.660 uh tea kettle as my mom would say
01:46:35.100 you'll need to unmute um there
01:46:41.820 just hit the speaker button paul if you're if you're on your phone there you go yeah there you are
01:46:49.020 okay it's a little more complicated uh wolfgang droga had
01:46:55.020 uh worked uh being in the movement in the united states he'd uh been involved in the uh attempt to
01:47:05.660 take over the uh uh island of dominica uh by some white nationalists which got broken up by the fbi
01:47:14.460 anyway he was being deported back to canada and he you know wolfgang was very in many ways very
01:47:21.500 guileless he you know he told you what what was on his mind so he was going to come back here
01:47:27.580 and he and he was going to try to form a group like uh david duke's uh uh
01:47:36.620 let me think uh nationalist decision for white people i think that was it but um
01:47:41.660 uh anyway um um um so what the government did they knew when uh wolfgang would come back he would go to
01:47:53.260 don andrews who'd who had been a long-time uh leader of a small group called the nationalist party that
01:48:00.860 never ran any candidates but um don andrews had been with me in the edmund burke society days but had
01:48:08.940 gone his own way uh afterwards so anyway uh the authorities knew that uh wolfgang would probably
01:48:15.820 go to don andrews to touch base um so what they did is a a few months before they got their agent grant
01:48:25.100 bristow to uh start attending uh don andrews meetings and so he was sort of now part of the game uh so when
01:48:34.700 wolfgang came up uh a lot of the uh younger guys uh were fed up with no action you know just
01:48:42.700 sitting around don andrews uh um kitchen table listening to don andrews lecture about the latest
01:48:51.180 book he read it just it was getting a bit boring they wanted action and so wolfgang started outlining the
01:48:59.420 uh goals of the heritage front it would be an action group white rights white nationalist group
01:49:07.100 uh and they would be trying to appeal to young people well one of the people who showed a lot of
01:49:14.540 interest was grant bristol but grant bristol you see was already part of the group that was the
01:49:21.020 diabolically clever thing instead of waiting till a group forms and then trying to slip somebody in
01:49:26.780 who one of the first things that that person would have to do is establish credibility um
01:49:35.260 well there's a fellow already with some credibility and that was grant and grant always had lots of
01:49:41.900 money to toss around probably our money uh so if they were they've the heritage front wanted to go down
01:49:48.860 to montreal for a meeting he'd supply a car he'd pick up the the the checks for the the meals
01:49:56.700 etc um and um he had about he was working uh he had a day job with kuhn and nagel in security so he
01:50:08.300 said you know i can um i can check people out for you and uh and so what what he did is he checked out
01:50:16.700 the uh he was able to track down the home addresses or phone numbers of many many members of the a ra or the
01:50:24.220 anti-racist action group and uh the the you know the both groups began to harass each other
01:50:32.620 and and and so on well this was actually a a sideshow uh you know you have to fight the uh the anti-racist
01:50:44.860 uh if you must but that that can't be or that if that becomes your whole raison d'etre you're not
01:50:51.820 recruiting people anyway grant bristo was very good at creating that conflict and uh or let's say worsening it
01:51:01.100 and uh uh you see when the when grant bristo was exposed as a government agent in 1994 there was
01:51:10.780 immediately a commission set up to to study whether the uh the cesis tactics had been legitimate
01:51:20.300 and uh there were some problems because grant bristo was shopping around this list of prominent jews
01:51:26.940 and some some of the jews were upset that uh you know were they being set up or targeted and so anyway
01:51:34.220 uh in my presentation to the uh the commission uh i argued that that they should never have
01:51:42.860 infiltrated the heritage front that uh the canadian security and intelligence act or the cesis act
01:51:50.140 outlines threats to national security and and those would be people involved in espionage or sabotage
01:51:56.700 well the heritage front wasn't spying for any foreign country it wasn't blowing anything up um
01:52:02.300 um sedition they weren't advocating the violent overthrow of the government uh the only possible
01:52:08.700 area would be groups that that uh that uh practice serious acts of violence to uh further their political
01:52:19.900 or religious uh aims and but serious acts of violence is are not a little punch up uh in the streets it
01:52:26.940 would be uh murder assassination or arson things like that well again and none of that fit fit the
01:52:33.660 heritage front and it was just getting off the ground so this was completely illegal action in my
01:52:41.740 submission by the canadian state um and in any ways it got even worse uh as the tensions between the ara and
01:52:52.780 uh and uh and uh heritage front got uh worse um uh about a hundred members of the uh the ara uh ra
01:53:05.340 raided the house of a guy named gary shipper who was the voice of the heritage front on uh on their
01:53:13.900 telephone you know this just shows the difference in technology with today they had a telephone answering
01:53:20.460 machine so you call them up and you would get a message well gary shipper had a great radio voice
01:53:25.500 and so they raided his place he was not there but they smashed the uh the uh uh the uh living room
01:53:34.140 window and threw a tricycle through the uh the window and did some damage well then later that
01:53:41.660 afternoon or evening wolfgang got together with a number of people his advisors and grant bristol and
01:53:50.300 grand bristol was saying look you you can't let this go you've got to take the war to them you've got
01:53:56.300 to hit them uh you know to keep respect and uh uh uh grand uh wolfgang droga went to consult
01:54:07.980 urn sundell and urn sundell said it's a trap they're going to be expecting they'll be expecting you
01:54:14.140 uh to go to a place called sneaky d's that was a cheesy bar on um yeah queen queen and bathurst i
01:54:23.020 think i remember that college and bath or college and bathurst that's right but anyway i mean this is
01:54:28.940 predictable they're going to they're going to expect you to come and they'll be waiting etc etc and
01:54:34.460 there'll be a fight and you might get arrested uh this is not the way to go but anyway uh wolfgang
01:54:40.860 ignored him and went along with uh grand bristol's suggestion so they went over to sneaky sneaky geese
01:54:47.820 and there was hardly anybody around and they kind of strutted through the the bar and you know sort of
01:54:53.180 look look tough and all that and then they got outside and then there there were a few ara types 1.00
01:54:59.900 and there was a fight and one of the guys was pinned to the ground by a member of the ara and
01:55:07.260 wolfgang a very protective guy took a flashlight from his car went and rearranged the guy's jaw for
01:55:13.580 him up and then the police raided and what wolfgang went off to jail with very strict conditions and
01:55:21.020 that really was about the beginning of the end in 1994 for the heritage front meanwhile where was grant
01:55:29.740 bristol mr take the the ward of the enemy you've got to show you know you've got to show them that
01:55:35.660 you're not afraid and they can't do this well he had flown off to new york city with his girlfriend
01:55:41.900 uh uh so bristol was uh uh was a real piece of work and uh i did not know him very well but uh those who
01:55:53.020 knew him better than i do uh they think he was in many ways conflicted he probably wasn't acting
01:55:59.580 really he he really was a white nationalist but he was also absolutely seduced into the world of
01:56:07.180 of you know double oh seven he just loved being a spy and uh uh you know the the double the double
01:56:15.980 life the uh undercover agent really turned him on he uh years later he would after he i think he lost
01:56:25.580 he i think he had a 10-year pension from cesus but back around 2004 he surfaced the dean from western
01:56:33.580 canada and uh he was now cooperating with uh bernie farber of the canadian jewish congress back then
01:56:42.540 and uh he was saying that uh oh you know he'd always been an anti-racist and uh but those who knew him
01:56:50.140 uh uh far better than i did uh believe he you know really shared the views up to a point but um
01:57:00.060 being a being a an agent a spy uh it was just too delicious
01:57:05.420 wow um where like what happened to wolfgang well okay wolfgang went to jail um and um
01:57:25.180 uh when he got out he they wouldn't even let him get welfare he he had been a repo man
01:57:35.820 and uh of course he lost his license so he he had no source of income believe it or not
01:57:42.540 uh so he uh began to uh to sell drugs and he made a lot of money and made a lot of friends
01:57:50.460 uh and um i'm not sure i can tell the whole rest of the story but um a person who eats old drugs too but
01:57:59.180 who had also uh been a romantic rival for for the affections of a girl uh was persuaded to go to his
01:58:10.220 place and hunt him down so this guy went to wolfgang's uh apartment in the east end of toronto
01:58:17.980 uh he uh he came in shooting wolfgang he had a gun he shot back um and but wolfgang died and uh
01:58:28.380 interestingly this fellow was charged with manslaughter
01:58:32.140 which is uh uh wildly undercharging him he shows up at the guy's place with a hand with a loaded
01:58:41.340 handgun that that that's not manslaughter which is kind of accidental killing uh this is premeditated
01:58:48.700 uh he i think he spent three and a half years in jail in in remand at his trial uh i i believe he
01:59:01.180 pleaded guilty anyway he was given seven years but with time uh time credited for the time the time i
01:59:08.620 think it was double time he ended up spending only a couple more months in jail he he got off uh the
01:59:15.500 system you know absolutely detested wolfgang and uh uh the the the killer got off with a
01:59:24.220 essentially a slap on the wrist
01:59:31.900 steve you want to jump in there co-host for me
01:59:38.620 i well i had a i don't know if steve oh go for it i want to go or i just i and i don't know if
01:59:45.260 you're you want to go to this yet base but i was really interested in paul's um involvement with
01:59:51.420 or sorry the new orleans protocol story like that yes the um
02:00:00.460 the um uh david duke uh not long after he got out of jail
02:00:06.940 um and that was a setup too but anyway when he got out of jail uh wolfgang i mean
02:00:13.580 uh david duke wanted to stage a comeback so we started started the uh he held the conference
02:00:20.460 it was very well attended in metairie um louisiana which was a suburb of uh of uh
02:00:29.580 of new orleans and one of the things that came out of that was what was caught was called the new
02:00:36.060 orleans protocol and we tried to get a lot of groups um to just sign up and many did including
02:00:43.740 the national alliance and what what it said was uh first of all uh we uh except for self-defense we
02:00:55.020 reject violence because that became uh very very important especially in the states
02:01:00.940 uh some groups um some groups would hint at violence and all that did was uh got you a lot
02:01:08.940 of trouble uh uh because most of the people who talk about violence aren't going to do it
02:01:16.140 so you get the worst of both worlds if you're associated with these people um yeah you're you're
02:01:23.340 tired with the uh the uh the image of violence but nothing actually happens but you you you you have
02:01:32.540 that uh that tag so just reject violence uh and and then the second thing was a policy of no enemy on
02:01:42.060 the right and and it was to be followed in this way there will be differences not all you know
02:01:48.780 nationalists or patriotic groups are going to agree on everything you know there's be personality
02:01:53.900 differences um um uh personality this this uh differences policy differences uh etc um uh
02:02:08.460 so um the the what should be done is uh if there are different disagreements they should be settled
02:02:17.100 behind closed doors or uh simply don't say anything uh if if you don't agree with the
02:02:24.780 the policies of group a don't announce them don't spend all your time fighting them we've got common enemies
02:02:31.900 uh yeah you know and i thought that was a very very important because uh you know the
02:02:39.420 uh uh uh gordon lee baum of the long time head of the council of conservative citizens uh uh told me uh
02:02:49.820 uh you know that leading our movement is like herding cats you know and that in many ways that's good
02:02:58.540 a lot of independent-minded people if we were sheep or sheep followers we uh uh we probably wouldn't be in the
02:03:05.420 the movement um uh but but instead of spending much of your time denouncing another patriotic group
02:03:14.140 um just uh uh put a sock on that or if there's a real something really serious uh have a sit down uh with
02:03:23.340 the other leaders rather than bad-mouthing them behind their backs well um it was a good idea we signed up a
02:03:31.260 number of minor groups but um uh unfortunately i couldn't even get the council to sign up there
02:03:38.300 just uh uh wanted always to be able to criticize another group uh uh out loud and so we we weren't
02:03:48.700 able to completely sell that idea uh but uh there were a lot of groups that you know i thought think
02:03:56.220 that was a bit of an advance where we've got common enemies let's let's spend our effort going after
02:04:03.820 them rather than criticizing another group that uh where we have a an objection to five percent of their
02:04:11.420 beliefs wise words and that's what we deal with a lot some somehow um there's certain groups that have
02:04:20.620 made fellow you know pro-white groups more of an enemy than the invaders oh yeah steve you want to
02:04:28.300 jump in and um you know i i think we're open to a couple of questions i know paul needs to go soon
02:04:34.540 um you know i'll i'll sneak another i'll squeeze another 10 15 out of you if i can sure um but uh
02:04:42.460 steve go ahead and if there's any questions anybody can jump up now
02:04:45.660 well yeah um and again thank you very much for your time and for having this uh chat with us
02:04:54.060 you know the the group that promotes or that practices tribalism for themselves you know they're
02:05:02.540 not ideologically monolithic but you don't see them counter signaling each other in the public spheres
02:05:09.340 and you know they promote multiculturalism for us which many of us realize is a detriment
02:05:15.900 for us to embrace but you know i can't count how many times i repeat myself saying that one of
02:05:23.820 the biggest things that the right wing can learn from the left wing is not to counter signal other
02:05:29.820 elements whether they're more radical or more um normie friendly um on the right um and to simply
02:05:38.940 lead by example and if you think there's a better way to then to exemplify it
02:05:46.380 sorry you you've pretty much completed the idea if you think there's a better way
02:05:52.300 uh or better approach instead of criticizing group a that doesn't agree with you go out and do it and
02:05:59.100 maybe you're right and and uh uh you know time will tell maybe your uh approach let's say to the internet
02:06:06.700 uh recruiting on the internet maybe that's the right approach rather than handing out pamphlets but uh
02:06:12.620 instead of criticizing another group for not agreeing with you on that strategy go and do it and you know
02:06:20.700 time will tell maybe you know you've got the right idea um and you know i think it was very very sensible
02:06:27.900 and uh you know uh we didn't get everybody to agree uh but i i think maybe it's uh it encouraged
02:06:37.580 uh a lot of people to behave uh you know because uh excoriating another group uh very seldom uh
02:06:50.300 it really advances your group uh but meanwhile gives the enemy a lot of comfort and wastes a lot of time
02:06:59.660 all right um canadian girl had her hand up and uh welcome up alex just give us a second alex 0.94
02:07:05.660 um canadian girl go ahead i just have a couple questions uh i wanted to know from paul what he
02:07:11.740 thought as far as growing up in a white country what he thinks of the basically the indian swarm
02:07:18.380 um and how what what is perception also if he's come across uh how many how many times he's come
02:07:25.020 across people who've like misunderstood that canada is a multicultural country and always was
02:07:29.820 um and then my last question for him is um what does he make of those uh hate speech laws and has
02:07:37.820 he found like anyone who's beat them um and like any strategies for dealing with those
02:07:44.540 those uh what are they called incitement of hatred charges oh wow you're gonna have to remind me of
02:07:50.940 your questions i i could take the last one first uh okay dealing with the hate laws um one thing i would
02:07:58.700 say is don't generalize uh i would never would never say the jews uh did this i i would qualify jewish
02:08:07.580 lobby groups or you know so and so uh because uh you you then have the defense i'm not talking about the
02:08:16.620 group as a group i'm talking about a an organization or an individual so uh uh uh for public consumption
02:08:26.060 uh definitely uh avoid uh uh uh uh uh avoid uh uh generalizing um so so i think that would be
02:08:39.660 that's one way um no but what if you're already charged oh if you're already charged well okay then
02:08:47.580 i'd have to know exactly what you said um or i mean whatever the person who was charged said
02:08:54.620 i'll message you well yeah i'll get i'll connect you guys i'll connect you guys yeah i think that
02:09:01.340 would be better yeah uh because i'd want to see the whole context uh and okay has anybody beaten uh
02:09:11.740 charges under the hate law yes um bill watcott um a very religious christian man very um
02:09:21.100 uh very uh creative uh protester infiltrated the 2016 gay pride parade in toronto and he got got 1.00
02:09:35.100 accepted i think it was he called his group the gay zombies i mean you wonder how they'd be so stupid 0.98
02:09:42.700 as to fall for this but oh yeah so he was uh accredited and all the gay zombies uh uh dressed up in 0.99
02:09:51.100 in skin tight uh lime green zombie suits i guess and they handed out what looked like condoms uh but 0.84
02:09:59.740 they were actually a bible they were actually a tract one side about the uh the the uh you know 0.99
02:10:09.500 physical problems with homosexual sex you know uh uh anal cancer warts and all the other delicious 1.00
02:10:16.540 things and the other side with uh biblical uh citations about uh the the homosexuality being 0.99
02:10:23.740 wrong anyway um under tremendous pressure from the jewish lobby the one of the the last acts of the 0.83
02:10:33.100 lesbian premier and her indian attorney general yasir akfi was to have bill watcott charged under the hate law 1.00
02:10:42.860 um and uh he he he beat the charges um so it can be done could you tell me to remind me of your first
02:10:54.860 question oh i was just wondering what you thought as somebody who grew up in a white country well how
02:11:00.220 would he make of the massive indian swarm oh oh uh yeah uh well i'm reminded of one of the irish rebel
02:11:07.820 songs i i feel this when i go to places where i grew up and see what's happened uh uh uh and the
02:11:16.060 armored cars and the burned out bars in the town i knew so well okay there aren't armored cars and
02:11:22.940 burned out bars but there's that sense of devastation and i feel that the real rage you did this to us you 0.98
02:11:31.180 brought the invasion they they didn't beat us at a war and and conquered us you traitors uh you white 0.99
02:11:38.460 haters uh or greedy uh brainless businessman you brought this to us and then called anybody who 1.00
02:11:46.060 disagreed you know a nazi or uh something a racist a race oh yeah a racist 0.97
02:11:54.380 my last question was uh do you what do you say to people when they actually think that canada has 0.93
02:12:03.100 always been multicultural okay well that's part of the that's part of the disinformation and propaganda 0.96
02:12:09.820 and uh uh you know uh i would i would tantalize somebody who says that uh would you happen to have
02:12:19.260 a hundred dollar bill on you okay who's the fellow on that bill okay i'll tell you if you don't know
02:12:25.660 sir robert borden he was a prime minister uh he won the election of 1917 in that election do you know what
02:12:33.980 he said in a speech in victoria british columbia he said canada is a white man's country now there
02:12:41.420 wasn't a collection uh collective uh oh no oh my god uh uh he's a racist in fact that was 0.52
02:12:49.740 non-controversial the opposition liberals didn't make anything of it and even the few
02:12:56.460 pre-marxist socialists uh they they would have agreed uh they didn't want oriental uh immigration to 0.83
02:13:05.900 canada so canada canada was conceived as a white man's country and then when when sir robert borden
02:13:14.460 said that that wasn't controversial it's about it was about like saying we get a lot of snow up here
02:13:20.540 hey um uh and uh uh that that's really important and uh i am so happy to see the number of people who um
02:13:31.100 fly the red ensign uh especially younger people and i've got a a big sticker coming out uh that you
02:13:37.980 can peel peel it off and stick it wherever you think is appropriate and it's it says uh the red ensign
02:13:47.420 the flag of the real canada and then uh the uh below the flag uh uh le drapeau de de nose
02:13:56.380 the uh so i'm tongue-tied today the drapeau de de de nosey uh the the flag of our ancestors
02:14:08.060 i hope that will attract some attention and maybe even piss a few people off i actually flew the
02:14:13.340 flag uh i put it on our van it's a really nice huge one and uh the other day we put it up and within 1.00
02:14:20.300 20 minutes we got a car pulling up beside us yelling you fucking racist you fucking racist 0.99
02:14:25.340 and then uh we pulled up to the gym and people were giving us the finger and it's like wow that's 0.99
02:14:29.900 like 20 minutes yeah yeah it's funny uh i uh wave the flag at uh at all the protests i go to and uh uh
02:14:41.660 uh uh okay granted uh yeah many of the people are you know nationalistic anyway um i get nothing but
02:14:49.980 compliments and occasionally uh from people just walking by uh you know i guess it just might depend
02:14:57.180 on the the crowd but uh um uh there are a lot of people that remember and it's it's such a great symbol
02:15:05.820 because it's so rich uh it's passionate unlike the uh the present flag and uh that crest is
02:15:13.260 so delightful it's got the symbols of england ireland scotland and france and the three maple leafs
02:15:20.780 uh uh you there it can be interpreted in a number of ways but one would be the first is for the
02:15:27.260 original european founding settler people the second is for the native people and the third is for the
02:15:33.100 europeans who came afterwards the the ones who built this country um uh and yeah one of the things
02:15:43.340 that uh i think may be good coming out of the uh uh the the conflict with trump over tariffs there's
02:15:51.580 there's a new pride in canada you know i think sometimes a little bit immature i don't think booing
02:15:57.900 the u.s national anthem at the uh hockey game is maybe the swiftest thing but okay but there's a
02:16:05.260 new pride well i think it's going to be harder to to tell people uh you know we were a racist society
02:16:11.980 we did it you know we persecuted the indians we uh didn't do anything for the jews and uh uh we had 0.94
02:16:20.300 the residential schools i think people will be less and less eager to hear that you know what
02:16:26.140 what are you running down my country for and uh uh uh i think that's a good thing uh uh i think there
02:16:35.420 will be um i think uh uh diversity equity and inclusion are on their way out uh uh i think trump
02:16:45.180 has done a lot uh a lot of good things in that regard i'm i'm not uncritical i mean there are bad
02:16:51.420 things he's done but uh uh uh he's done some good things i think well okay uh paul i got two more
02:16:59.260 questions steve you can jump in and then external is up here and i i i loved externals posts so i want
02:17:05.740 him to jump in steve go ahead yeah i'll say this quickly um another quote from robert borden who was
02:17:12.540 prime minister from 1911 to 1920 in 1907 when he was campaigning against lawyer said british columbia must
02:17:19.980 remain a british and canadian province inhabited and dominated by men in whose veins runs the blood
02:17:25.420 of those great pioneering races which built up and developed not only western but eastern canada
02:17:31.340 on the point of um the new nationalist sentiment unfortunately i see a lot of that coming from
02:17:38.620 uh people that would say that you know the the lefty types right that would say that this is a uh
02:17:44.860 uh you know um that always preach the diversity inclusion and equity and so i think it's more of
02:17:52.060 an anti-american sentiment and unfortunately a lot of the people on the um on the right who are in
02:17:59.020 favor of this 51st state idea they would be vehemently opposed to it if it was kamala harris proposing it 0.97
02:18:05.980 but i do agree that they should not be booing an anthem that canadians inspired because it was uh
02:18:11.980 uh the star spangled banner was derived from the poem the defense of fort mchenry which francis scott key
02:18:19.260 wrote from being aboard a british ship while watching fort mchenry be bombarded by the british
02:18:25.100 during uh the war of 1812 specifically september 1814 well that well that yeah that's really interesting
02:18:35.100 and you're right that sometimes canadian nationalism has been a very uh uh very left-wing and
02:18:43.580 uh well i'm a canadian nationalist because i uh i don't like americans or i uh we're not american well
02:18:51.580 uh you know we're not aborigin australian aborigines either uh i think nationalism has to be based on
02:18:59.100 on on that positive values our our achievements and we have a lot of achievements uh uh you know
02:19:06.060 our our ancestors uh you know carved a living out of a very hostile environment and a lot of canadian
02:19:13.740 literature uh is about uh you know the the environment uh very often hostile dominates a lot of
02:19:22.780 canadian literature uh you know i agree with you that there there's a left-wing aspect to it but
02:19:28.140 um i can see ways in which this uh um this might help turn things around i hope
02:19:40.860 eternal did you want to go okay thank you very much uh well look first of all i just want to say
02:19:48.620 it's incredible for me to be able to say hello to mr from and i don't know how based maidens is always
02:19:53.820 able to organize these fantastic spaces thanks to posty thank thank you to steve and thanks to
02:19:57.900 canadian girl as well um i just i'll just say that uh i think that i had seen the space scheduled and i
02:20:04.700 knew the name rang a bell but then i couldn't quite place it and then i remembered and i did post i think
02:20:09.420 what based maidens was saying there i did post in the purple pill as we call it uh down below in the
02:20:14.140 comments that um i was watching a video where david irving was speaking on churchill's war and it's very
02:20:20.380 difficult to watch outside of the us and maybe it's blocked in canada but it's blocked all over
02:20:24.380 europe on bit shoot and so i had to you know do a little bit of vpn type trickery to be able to
02:20:29.660 download the video uh despite the restrictions and um i watched the video but of course it was
02:20:36.140 introduced by no though none other than yourself and i remember saying wow that's as good a speech
02:20:41.820 as david irving is going to give i wonder who this fellow david from is and of course i googled you
02:20:47.260 and found that you have a wikipedia entry where it said all the right things about you that you're a
02:20:51.580 neo-nazi and far-right racist and all this kind of stuff and uh also that um you know the standard
02:20:58.700 kind of thing and i won't go on too long but just to say that i read with great interest that you were
02:21:03.340 a teacher and of course they hounded you out of teaching uh because uh you know they wanted to
02:21:08.620 create some animosity with the iroquois or whichever indian types are there it's more confusing now that
02:21:13.660 there's indians from the indian subcontinent as well as the eskimo type indians but in any case
02:21:18.780 i could see that the canadian jewish congress then tried to create a hoo-ha and say that you said scalp
02:21:24.540 them and all this sort of stuff but look i better form a question here mr from first of all i will
02:21:30.220 say do you remember introducing david irving in 1986 in the carlton hotel or the carlton inn in 1986
02:21:38.380 in toronto oh yes i introduced him a number of times uh i was in charge of his ontario the ontario leg
02:21:48.300 of his tour and that's another uh uh sad sad thing about canada as a nation david irving was banned in
02:21:56.940 1992 by the uh i'm not sure what role he had in the cabinet but his name was jerry weiner he was in the
02:22:05.740 conservative cabinet of uh of uh brian mulrooney and at the behest of the usual jewish lobby groups
02:22:13.740 irving was banned uh a world-class original historian yeah you know uh
02:22:22.700 it's important for us uh not not to forget and never never let them forget you know when they blather on
02:22:29.660 about uh freedom of speech and freedom of this and that uh in in other countries um you know i always
02:22:37.260 want to say yeah but what about practicing it here first and then we can show the world and that they
02:22:43.660 can follow suit paul you're in trouble with me now because i went and met with you and um because i knew
02:22:55.100 you had a david irving book that i wanted and i don't recall you telling me at all that you had
02:23:02.220 introduced him and had met him in the flesh so it's like we have to squeeze these stories out of you
02:23:09.420 otherwise uh you might just fail to mention important details thank you um external for um
02:23:17.660 um for bringing that up i was kind of shocked and i put it in the jumbo if everyone's interested in
02:23:24.140 seeing a 1986 version of paul from that would be uh fantastic well don't don't laugh too hard
02:23:35.420 so um well we'll just we'll let you go paul i think we'll keep um the space running but i know that you
02:23:43.660 uh have a a big day because you continue to run for elections and um there's meetings and
02:23:50.060 campaignings and more conferences and so much to do but um i do hope that you'll take a liking to
02:23:59.500 doing these twitter spaces yeah i'm i'm really glad to do that and uh i appreciate the people who want
02:24:06.220 to hang in there and uh and hear it yeah well you're like just this treasure trove of of knowledge and
02:24:13.420 history and and this link that we need um especially as canadian nationalists i mean
02:24:20.540 we just there's such a small tiny corner of the internet um but your organization cafe it still
02:24:29.020 puts out newsletters doesn't it like the canadian association for free expression um so yeah i hope
02:24:36.380 that you know you start putting on cafes uh regarding your newsletter you know on a weekly or bi-weekly
02:24:43.180 basis and you know i can show you steve and i can show you how to host and then um you could be
02:24:49.020 hosting your own spaces because you put so much time and effort into those newsletters and there's
02:24:54.220 so much content already there that you could discuss the content of your newsletters and um
02:25:01.660 you know and like it'll you'll run away with it kind of thing so i hope so yeah let's keep in touch on
02:25:09.660 that well and just before i got your number before you take your leave i would like to mention i co-host a
02:25:17.100 space with some others and we would be more than happy to have you on as a uh as a special guest and
02:25:23.820 preferably before the election comes so we can help promote your platform and encourage canadians in your
02:25:29.580 area to get in and vote for you yeah no well thank you very much
02:25:38.940 all right thanks again paul paul thanks so much um canadian girl wants to uh wants to keep chewing the 0.59
02:25:47.820 fat and frank thanks for coming up and adding some more context and nuance uh to a timeline that you know
02:25:55.900 not all of us were familiar with but you were definitely in the thick of the action during some
02:26:01.420 of those decades where uh you know there was stuff happening in the north and there was stuff happening
02:26:07.260 in the south so it's nice to have both of you in a space and i appreciate you um i appreciate you
02:26:13.100 joining us eternal i appreciate you joining too because it's probably two o'clock in the morning where you
02:26:20.380 are and somehow you find yourself awake yet again and and if anybody would like to contact me email me
02:26:30.940 yeah email me at paul at paul from dot com that's a paul at paul f-r-o-m-m dot com and uh you know if
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