postyX - Its not easy being White in the UK： with Laura Towler

00:00:00.000 hi honey I'm muting everybody unmuting everybody it's going badly okay we got

00:00:10.200 Steve all right who we got here okay all right let me see we're just waiting on

00:00:23.180 our okay I'm just gonna copy link drop it in what a day posty I know pretty wild yeah well

00:00:46.880 if it wasn't for these days and you know I guess every day would be boring right

00:00:52.120 you should remember no good deed goes unpunished yes yes oh my goodness yeah no it seemed that like

00:01:01.500 the forces that be were trying to make this space not happen um that's for sure no like you will not

00:01:11.920 have a space today like we're trying hey everybody um I mean I'm just trying not even like I'm trying

00:01:24.280 not to even look at our news feeds and stuff because it's so blackfilling right oh it's been bad 0.76

00:01:31.300 yeah I was talking to Steve about that it's just like Mark Carney Mark Carney Mark Carney and I'm like

00:01:36.400 ah I'm not even following him why is he my face oh I know it's everywhere it's everywhere and

00:01:43.780 it's like big black pill after big black pill let me see what I got here oh yeah Maple Sven

00:01:50.840 I thought she was gonna change the profile but that's okay I thought she was going to too

00:02:00.420 hello Maple Sven how's it going hello this is Maple Sven you can change it back after

00:02:10.340 there we go I see Laura Toggle on my phone but on the computer it still shows my old

00:02:19.440 profile setup but yeah glad you were able to use that yeah thanks for lending me your account it just

00:02:25.800 won't let me make an account on uh I've tried my phone my laptop and I even dug out Sam's old

00:02:31.160 computer and tried to make an account on that I don't know if it's like the IP or something it's

00:02:34.960 just nah so we tried to I don't know if it's your IP I think Twitter or X is having an issue because

00:02:41.420 both based and I tried just you know setting up a one just for you know shits and giggles to test it

00:02:46.580 and it didn't work yeah it maybe it's to do with all the attacks recently that um Elon Musk has been

00:02:53.440 facing I don't I don't know if it was like some overload of creating accounts or something you

00:02:57.840 know like some DDoS thing or something I don't know but yeah I'm here now anyway so thanks for

00:03:02.520 lending me your account my pleasure that's like my throwaway account that I use to uh troll Twitter

00:03:10.000 spaces with from time to time so it's uh if it gets banned I fully expected to get banned at some

00:03:16.800 point so glad to make use of it thanks I'm glad I could put it to more productive means than just

00:03:26.840 kind of being I don't know uh I guess trolling

00:03:32.460 is bait oh okay you're there I was like did we lose her for a second

00:03:43.300 uh no I'm I'm still here I was just posting it on um on Telegram just that I'm uh that I'm here so

00:03:52.500 some of the the PA guys will will come over and listen I think if any of them have got an account

00:03:57.600 left I can't hear based right now like when she unmuted I couldn't hear it either that's why I'm

00:04:03.280 wondering if she's having an issue this is more proof that the NSN guys were right when they had

00:04:15.580 that banner drop that said Jews hate freedom yeah I don't know if she's having let me check

00:04:26.160 um yeah I'm back sorry guys okay um so listen um I'm not sure okay so we've got a plan we don't

00:04:34.520 have Laura for very much time um so yeah I want to get I want to get cooking sorry about that Laura um

00:04:41.840 like something went pretty uh glitchy on my end and then I couldn't hear anybody so uh yeah so Laura I

00:04:49.840 want you to tell us about your story um and just so people know like uh we'll we'll just give Laura

00:04:56.940 the microphone like she's free of babies for like just an hour so um I wish you could like kick back

00:05:06.180 with a cocktail and uh like enjoy your free your free 60 minutes that you get but perhaps you could just

00:05:14.860 tell the audience um who you are like we know who you are and what's happened please tell us

00:05:22.660 God um how far back do you want me to go should I should I just cover what's happened with uh Sam

00:05:31.120 recently or before that okay we're we're okay with your with your accent where were you born

00:05:37.000 where are you from I'm from Yorkshire in the north of England she's in north of England yeah okay

00:05:42.900 got you so originally from Yorkshire and I I suppose let's say when did your racial awakening start

00:05:51.540 let's start there um oh god so when I so the area that I grew up in uh which is still where my family

00:06:00.000 live today it's just entirely English and when I was 19 I went I moved to Bradford with my friend

00:06:07.480 because she was studying at university there um oh is it still up it says the connection was lost

00:06:15.520 no no you're there darling we got you

00:06:18.120 or did we lose her

00:06:24.840 we freaking hell eh

00:06:29.720 um I still I hear you posty Steve are you there yeah I'm still here okay uh Laura's

00:06:39.560 we lost Laura for a minute hey acceptable what can we do for you dear

00:06:44.380 hello I was just patiently waiting for a chance to uh to say hello to Laura to congratulate her on

00:06:51.520 all she's achieved and uh for saying so strong throughout her husband being persecuted

00:06:55.760 for all the great work she's done for uh patriotic alternative

00:06:59.500 and uh to get her permission to uh re-host a video that was uh

00:07:03.780 deleted by youtube when her channel was purged a few years ago

00:07:06.660 but hopefully she'll be back in a moment

00:07:08.500 yeah I see her down in listeners 0.59

00:07:11.880 yeah speaker again can you unmute uh

00:07:15.260 oh no now it's switching to listener yeah

00:07:18.000 oh boy oh boy the powers that be do not want the adorable accent to speak 0.99

00:07:26.580 um Laura if is she gone gone she may have closed down and needs to open back up again

00:07:33.520 she's out but oh here she is 0.84

00:07:35.300 hello yep there we go we're back

00:07:39.220 oh that's weird I could I could only hear one of you

00:07:42.460 I don't want to be talking 0.99

00:07:44.060 no like welcome to the fucking twilight zone 0.99

00:07:48.180 this one 0.99

00:07:51.040 it's never easy is it

00:07:52.060 no man they do not want us to talk it's been like this all morning

00:07:57.580 you know it's been one nightmare after another but we are going to defeat the enemy

00:08:04.200 so um okay let's so acceptable frog is here he wanted to to send you a message but

00:08:11.780 um and I'm not sure co-hosting uh what I should do should I

00:08:16.580 okay acceptable you go first just to share what you want to share and then I'll get into the story with

00:08:22.360 yeah yeah

00:08:23.020 well I'll just be extremely brief I realize everyone's time is at a premium so just Laura

00:08:28.060 you know congratulations to all you've achieved through Patriotic Alternative and I'm you know

00:08:32.420 very sorry indeed to to hear about the ongoing struggle with your husband he uh you know he's a

00:08:37.540 I really hope he's bearing up and um I wanted to get your permission perhaps uh not not the most

00:08:43.400 appropriate space to do but what the hell there's an excellent video that you made on your late um

00:08:48.360 departed YouTube channel before it was purged about um English identity English ethnicity and how it's a

00:08:54.240 real thing how it's historically and uh biologically very very much sort of entrenched um and uh it's an

00:09:00.520 it's an excellent video I don't know if you've been able to re-host any of your video content since

00:09:05.340 then but uh if it's so if it's all right with you for me to share that on Twitter I will do so

00:09:09.740 oh yeah of course yeah all of my videos are actually on Odyssey so if anyone wants to download

00:09:16.080 them and do anything with them that's absolutely fine uh obviously I got suspended from YouTube

00:09:20.800 oh god it must have been like four or five years ago now um and yeah people still share those videos

00:09:27.060 about I'm really happy that people still find them them useful and you know some of those videos had

00:09:32.220 like quarter of a million half a million views on YouTube and then they just purged my account

00:09:37.580 with no strikes no warnings or anything just got rid of it um but yeah I just I wanted to make sort

00:09:42.940 of like accessible sort of normie friendly we shouldn't really say that but you know just like

00:09:47.020 really easy sort of like 10 minute videos that you could share with a friend or family member

00:09:50.900 that would go over a topic like I think the one you're talking about is who the English are but then

00:09:55.860 I'd also talk about stuff like you know should we apologize for the empire and um go over like

00:10:00.820 demographics and share all the statistics and stuff and yeah those videos are out there they're

00:10:05.600 all on my Odyssey channel and anyone can do anything that want with them post them where you want or

00:10:10.480 share them where you want it was the video specifically if I hear this comment one more time

00:10:15.600 about people objecting to uh using English as a a classification as an ethnic identity and your

00:10:22.040 video is particularly good it was absolutely excellent it was sub five minutes and it's this topic which

00:10:27.340 is famously difficult to kind of approach and get across that you know you don't want to talk about

00:10:31.820 alleles and DNA and sort of you know bamboozle people but at the same time you don't want to

00:10:37.100 skirt around that essential question of what is our national identity that we're preserving and your

00:10:42.120 video I mean Jared Taylor is another person who's famous for putting these things across well but your

00:10:47.020 video really is so powerful there I think that's one reason that you got so much trouble you had your bank

00:10:53.000 account closed your youtube video purged because what you were doing really worked it was just

00:10:57.460 really effective you know oh thank you thanks um okay so do you want to get going based on well we got

00:11:06.480 stern up here oh I can't see okay I gotta get Albion radio in for a little moment no not not that

00:11:13.480 this space is far more important so it's being postponed indefinitely

00:11:17.280 Laura first and foremost God bless you and the hard work that you your husband and Mark have done

00:11:23.860 with Patriotic Alternative I was just going to ask is there a way that we can show support to you and

00:11:28.880 your husband either monetarily or does he have a prison address that we can write to him because

00:11:33.220 that's very something that myself and those in the nationalist movement in England would very much

00:11:38.240 like to do oh thank you for asking for that um so Sam was actually it's a bit it's a bit weird

00:11:44.700 because when you get a two-year sentence in Britain or in England you you're supposed to serve half of

00:11:50.840 it in prison and then half in the community on license um however when Labour got in to power

00:11:57.060 there were too many prisoners so they sort of like changed the percentage that you serve in prison down

00:12:01.900 to 40 percent instead of 50 percent which meant that Sam actually was released from prison one week

00:12:08.060 before Christmas but he's currently on license and they won't let him come home they're making him stay

00:12:13.400 in an approved premises which is basically a hostel full of I'm not even exaggerating full of um

00:12:20.040 people who have committed horrific knife crime crimes against children all sorts of stuff and he's got

00:12:25.980 to stay in this hostel for they've said at least six months for up to 12 months and apparently it's

00:12:30.740 because he's such a high risk that he needs extra monitoring so he's not allowed home at the moment

00:12:35.600 but it's it's kind of like he's in an open prison because he can leave during the day he has to check in

00:12:41.620 every day at midday so we can never go anywhere because he's got to go back and check in at midday

00:12:45.760 it's called a disruption check-in um but we get the mornings and the afternoons together so yeah we're

00:12:52.020 just waiting for him to be allowed home really it's up to his probation officer but with regards to

00:12:57.000 support obviously with Sam being free now like quote-unquote free um he doesn't um need or can't

00:13:04.560 actually accept in any way um letters or anything like that um and with regards to financial support

00:13:10.420 Sam and I were so blessed because when Sam went to prison we had a fundraiser set up to it for us

00:13:16.300 and it it reached a really high amount um and it was just a massive surprise um that that money's

00:13:24.560 still there it hasn't been spent because it it just surprised us really we weren't sure what to do

00:13:29.400 with it um so what what I would say if anyone you know does want to help and that they've seen Sam's

00:13:35.300 case we have a fundraiser which is live at Patriotic Alternative and it's a fundraiser for the families

00:13:40.620 of political prisoners so yes Sam went to prison but so did so many other people in England so many

00:13:46.720 people are still in prison some people have got longer sentences than Sam had um you know there's

00:13:52.780 there's a guy who got eight years because he had a document on his computer that the defense proved

00:13:58.840 he'd never even opened and he got eight years in prison and he's a father of two so what I would

00:14:04.500 recommend is if people want to financially support political prisoners donate to that fundraiser it's

00:14:10.420 currently over £20,000 we've already dished out £13,000 to the families of political prisoners

00:14:16.660 we've told we've been completely transparent about where all the money is going so we every time we

00:14:22.160 give a grand or two grand to a family we'll say it's gone to this family and Patriotic Alternative

00:14:26.960 and not taking a single penny for ourself not a single penny in admin fees or anything like that

00:14:32.260 it's all going to the families of political prisoners I know other organizations sometimes

00:14:36.540 do these and then they're like oh well you know shave off 30% or something for an admin fee we're not

00:14:41.500 doing that we're being completely transparent and open about it and that money is is going to continue

00:14:46.240 to be dished out this year throughout 2025 and the way that things are going in England you know

00:14:51.260 there's going to be more political prisoners there's going to be more people who are arrested for

00:14:54.440 social media posts and for attending demonstrations and and all this so it it means a lot to myself

00:15:00.200 and Mark and our activists that we can help those people and I know that the money a lot of it we

00:15:05.580 dished out just before Christmas and we had mothers on the phone like crying to us saying I didn't think

00:15:12.880 that we were going to be able to buy our kids any Christmas presents because their dad's just gone to

00:15:16.280 prison and because of this money now we can buy we can buy them we can buy them Christmas presents

00:15:22.440 so yeah massive thank you to everyone who's donated to that and we're going to keep doing that this year

00:15:27.820 brilliant I'm wondering can one of um the co-hosts Steve I'm sending you co or acceptable or

00:15:35.720 sturm if you can find that link and post it in the comments I'll put it in the um in the eagle's nest

00:15:41.940 yeah yeah for sure because um that's definitely that's definitely why I wanted to talk to you Laura

00:15:48.300 this has been a real challenge um to get you I was like I think it would have been easier to get Mel

00:15:55.200 Gibson to be honest um so it's I'm really really glad that you're here um I I feel like I've earned

00:16:03.200 this this opportunity because it's been months and months and months of corresponding with you so

00:16:08.820 I'm just so freaking thrilled that you're here um Steve do you want to say something oh thank you

00:16:14.300 thank you thank you yeah I was I was gonna say um it's been difficult because Sam when he was

00:16:20.380 released just before Christmas his curfew was seven o'clock so he had to be back at the AP um at seven

00:16:26.980 o'clock which means he had to leave my house at just after six and I have two children I have a

00:16:32.460 toddler who's three years old and a baby who's uh 10 months old so with Sam having to leave at six

00:16:38.680 obviously to stream with you that that's their bedtime and I'm I was by myself but um Sam's

00:16:44.400 curfew has just been moved back to nine o'clock now so I now have my evenings free until eight o'clock

00:16:50.460 which is um it's better than what we had before it's not perfect but it's a little bit better than

00:16:55.220 what it was before oh yeah no the like all with good reason I'm just saying that it's it's taken

00:17:01.760 something this hasn't been like oh yeah it's just a breeze like it hasn't been a breeze and I'm just so

00:17:07.780 grateful that you're here Steve you have your hand up what's going on brother

00:17:11.160 Steve you have your hand up and you're crying and I don't know why you're crying can you can you hear

00:17:25.360 us Steve Steve's laughing is your mic working all right no his mic is not working Steve is crying

00:17:35.060 in the corner okay well we'll just keep going um so let's go Laura um Laura talk to us okay I wanted

00:17:44.060 to know when you became race realized when did this happen that you knew that it was okay to be white

00:17:51.560 but everybody else had a problem with it uh yeah so as I was saying at the the start before I got

00:17:59.380 disconnected I went to live in Bradford for a couple of years while my friend was at university there

00:18:03.900 and Bradford I don't know if you guys have heard of Bradford but it's they people people call it

00:18:09.720 Bradistan because it has a massive uh Pakistani Muslim community shall we say um and there are

00:18:16.540 areas which are just 100 Muslim and I went to live in Bradford for a couple of years with my friend and

00:18:21.740 it was just such a shock it was just awful um there were so many times I like got followed home from work

00:18:28.100 and you know people coming right over and like staring at your chest and breathing in your face

00:18:32.900 and I remember walking down the street once with my friend and we counted how many times we got

00:18:36.740 beeped at it was like 30 times or something um there was a time we got chased we had to run into the shop

00:18:42.220 and phone the police and they came and picked us up and took us home and it was just really really

00:18:46.180 awful living in Bradford um and I was like what what's going on here because I've never had this

00:18:50.940 anywhere else that I've lived and I was thinking is is this like a Muslim issue or a Pakistani issue or

00:18:57.820 I wasn't 100% sure what was going on but then um after I graduated from university myself I went to

00:19:05.120 uni in Leeds um I started traveling around the country a little bit for my job and going to

00:19:09.780 different places like London uh Birmingham Leicester places where the white British are a minority

00:19:16.220 and it was just awful and I was just like okay it's not just Muslims um you know like in Birmingham I

00:19:22.180 had um trouble with a group of black men following me from the train station to my hotel and it was

00:19:30.040 just yeah it just made me realize that the issue isn't just uh Muslims and you know if you look at 0.85

00:19:35.880 crime rates especially violent crime black people are overrepresented in those crimes and especially in

00:19:41.700 um obviously in London where the white British are a minority I think we're about a third of the

00:19:45.880 population there now so yeah I realized that it was a racial issue and I think a big thing for me as

00:19:51.180 well was being on Twitter and sort of to begin with I was sort of like in the Nigel Farage like

00:19:57.880 Brexit means Brexit camp and then I started to see people posting pro-white things and I was like 0.58

00:20:04.360 what the hell like you can't say anything nice about white people that's racist and then I immediately

00:20:08.980 stopped myself and I was like hang on why can't I say anything nice about white people because I'm white 0.94

00:20:13.500 why should I have to only say negative things about myself in my race and it was just seeing people

00:20:18.900 being pro-white and and this sort of like visceral reaction that I had to it this Pavlovian response

00:20:23.980 that I had to it and then I just stopped myself and thought hang on why have I responded like that

00:20:28.420 um and since then I've just always been really proud of my race and you know my husband and I are

00:20:35.460 obviously both English well he's actually half English half Welsh and our kids are white and that was

00:20:40.620 something that I wanted you know I wanted my kids to be the same race as me and I'm English and I'm

00:20:45.540 very proud to be English that's my ethnicity and I don't feel that we should feel any negativity or

00:20:50.440 hatred or you know any sort of um apologetic thoughts about our race and who we are um but it comes from a

00:20:58.820 place of love like genuinely it doesn't come from a place of of hate and I think everyone should you

00:21:03.360 know feel a connection to who they are and be proud of who they are

00:21:06.740 okay and so then you met Sam when did you meet Sam and did he accelerate your racial awareness was he

00:21:19.520 also racially aware no I accelerated him

00:21:24.180 no I think I think we were both on the same page because um we met so Patriotical Alternative formed

00:21:33.960 in September 2019 and him and I were sort of in the same circles before that but we didn't really

00:21:39.860 know each other that well so it was like if I saw him on the bus I'd say hi but I didn't know him to

00:21:45.380 sort of like you know talk to him in private or anything and then um we we both went when PA did

00:21:52.540 form in September 2019 we attended the conference and then a few months after that he invited me out

00:21:59.220 for a drink and I said yeah and um yeah we just hit it off straight away and we've just got like the

00:22:06.560 same ideas about the the sort of country that we want and you know having children as well we both

00:22:12.740 want to raise them in the same way um we just get on really well you know same sense of humor I mean 0.96

00:22:18.240 he's a bit he's a bit stupid at times he likes sort of like American podcasts and stuff which I don't

00:22:23.440 find that funny but um yeah we just get on really well and like politically we're just exactly on the 0.97

00:22:29.140 same page um and it was I think it was 2021 when he was arrested yeah because we had our first daughter

00:22:38.080 in December 21 so yeah it was 2021 that he was first arrested and they came and raided our home and he

00:22:45.940 was on his way to work I was in bed um and they just let themselves into the house walked upstairs

00:22:50.760 into my bedroom in plain clothes um five men and one woman uh and I I thought that someone had come

00:22:59.140 to kill me I know that sounds a bit dramatic now but all the attacks that we faced from like anti-fur

00:23:03.720 and the state and stuff like that just six people bursting into your bedroom without knocking on the

00:23:09.160 door I was just like oh my god what's happened here um and it wasn't until they'd been there for a few

00:23:13.840 hours that they actually told me that they were counter-terrorism and they'd arrested Sam but

00:23:18.840 they wouldn't tell me why um and then they raided the home and then they took all our stuff um yeah

00:23:25.620 and it was three years later that Sam ended up going to prison that's how long they dragged it out for

00:23:29.840 and he got sentenced to two years in prison uh and when he went to prison I was eight months pregnant

00:23:34.560 with our second child so she was born while he was in prison um and yeah it's that it's just been a bit

00:23:42.340 of a roller coaster relationship really because we've had this this trial and this this prison

00:23:46.780 sentence hanging up hanging over us for for most of it so yeah once his license finishes uh he's got

00:23:53.000 like another year left to do that we're just looking forward to just having a normal life you know

00:23:59.860 getting a nice little place to live you know we might we might we um we don't own our home we rent but

00:24:05.300 I think we're gonna maybe move to somewhere a little bit smaller but with a bigger garden and just

00:24:10.240 yeah just raise our kids but he and I will always be political activists because this experience has

00:24:16.220 just taught us that what we're doing is is right you know how anti-white the state have been and the

00:24:21.140 dirty tricks that they tried against him and if they can do this to us they could do this to anyone

00:24:25.580 and they are doing it to anyone so it's really cemented our beliefs to us it hasn't scared us in

00:24:29.760 the slightest um and we're just as committed now as we ever have been if not more so so yes Sam can't

00:24:35.940 do anything at the minute he's not allowed um to post on social media or anything it's one of his

00:24:40.440 license conditions but he's got a year left and then Sam will be back as well and you know we'll

00:24:46.340 still both be a patriotic alternative working with Mark amazing what so what were his charges so they

00:24:53.840 broke into your house did they not let you know like that they were coming or did you have a sense that

00:24:59.920 they were coming and when they show up in your bedroom there's like five people all of a sudden

00:25:06.740 surrounding your bed this is terrifying and do they say you're being charged with such and such a

00:25:13.180 thing is like because I know stickers tie into this and this is what makes it such a case of absurdism

00:25:19.920 did they tell you what you were being charged with at that time or did they need to find something to

00:25:25.160 charge you with no well they wouldn't talk to me because Sam's over 18 so they wouldn't tell me 0.96

00:25:30.800 anything they just came they came into the house I had my mobile phone in my hand so they they asked

00:25:36.340 me to give them the phone so I was like no and then they handed me a warrant um and I just thought

00:25:42.940 they were normal police for ages like I said it was only when they were halfway through the raid that

00:25:47.360 I realized that they were counter-terrorism which to be honest I just thought was hilarious because I was

00:25:51.420 like okay you know counter-terrorism here for for this it's a lot of rubbish um but yeah they just

00:25:57.560 they took all my things and all Sam's things Sam's things so things like computers phones cameras

00:26:04.540 playstation 4 notebooks they took I think it was 33 things in total and they wouldn't tell me anything

00:26:10.700 um and I couldn't I couldn't get hold of Sam obviously because he'd been arrested and they'd taken him off to interrogate him

00:26:17.780 um

00:26:21.420 the idea was I walked to my grandma's house and I managed to get Mark Collett's phone number somehow

00:26:29.920 and I phoned him up um I think maybe my grandma could get it off someone that he knew or something

00:26:35.200 I can't remember entirely but I phoned him up and just explained to him what had happened and he he you

00:26:39.900 know gave me some advice on that um and then I just had to wait for Sam to get home and he was he was home

00:26:45.100 um that evening and he told me that he'd originally been arrested for three things

00:26:50.240 so two terrorism things and one public order offense for the stickers and what they'd done is

00:26:56.840 the the arrested him for those things took him to the police station that and then immediately dropped

00:27:02.140 the two terrorism things and just stuck with a public order offense so it was like they just used

00:27:07.840 them as an excuse to get into our house um they just stuck with this public order offense and that 0.99

00:27:12.600 was for the stickers but during the trial you know all the evidence that they had was stuff that they'd 0.96

00:27:17.500 taken from our house it was just stupid stuff like Sam telling a offensive joke on a whatsapp 0.53

00:27:23.060 conversation four years ago you know stuff like that so I don't actually think they had any evidence 0.97

00:27:27.440 beforehand it was just yeah it was I think they just wanted to get into our house really and have a

00:27:32.740 look through and see what they could get but they didn't get what they wanted to get because they

00:27:36.680 definitely wanted to get a terrorism conviction for Sam and they weren't able to get that

00:27:40.420 find me the man and I'll find you the crime yeah acceptable you have your hand up

00:27:47.340 acceptable acceptable

00:27:53.340 well I'm sorry having a technical glitch there yeah um but I wanted to ask or do you do you think

00:28:01.480 it's fair and accurate to say that the reason you were selected is because you were effective and

00:28:06.120 were getting noticed not I mean clearly I think no one in their right mind thinks that you or your

00:28:10.420 husband were actual terrorists or even anything approaching that um it seemed like there was a

00:28:15.480 wave of right-wing ethnocentric sentiment naturally occurring in the UK in response to just relentless

00:28:22.020 forced multi-racialism multi-mass immigration and they needed someone to sort of use people to scare 1.00

00:28:27.860 the rest of the country into saying look if you stick your head above the parapet this this is

00:28:31.360 how we treat you yeah well so Sam was arrested like I said in in spring 21 but if you look at the

00:28:38.440 the case notes and stuff it was actually before they arrested him they were investigating him for

00:28:43.340 a number of years so they were actually planning this case against Sam before Patriotic Alternative

00:28:49.760 ever existed um so I don't necessarily think it's to do with me or any of the activity of PA because

00:28:56.200 like I said they were planning this way before um PA existed but the hundred handers project I don't

00:29:02.480 know if you guys have seen it but it was very effective um you know there were hundreds of

00:29:06.780 people across the world printing off these stickers and putting them up and they had this ability to

00:29:10.860 make the media bite and the articles were so funny because the stickers were just so tame

00:29:16.020 and you had like local councillors going and crouching down next to a little bin and having 0.72

00:29:20.040 the photo took next to a sticker with a sad face on and it just honestly looked so pathetic

00:29:24.480 and the stickers lots of people resonated with them so I do think the project was so successful

00:29:30.080 and as as a more sort of like general answer to what you've asked the there's there's only a very

00:29:37.220 small risk of quote-unquote right-wing terrorism you know if you look at the EU terrorism report

00:29:42.620 even that says that Islamic terrorism and left-wing terrorism is a bigger threat um right-wing

00:29:47.720 terrorism I mean there are going to be a few loonies out there but most people that you're

00:29:52.200 calling extremists we just want to be left alone we just want a safe homeland for our people where

00:29:57.460 we can live where our kids can grow up that's all we want and they call that extreme um and I think

00:30:03.120 they just want more numbers on their box you know when it comes to right-wing terrorism I think

00:30:09.200 they want more conviction so that they can say this is a bigger threat than it is because really

00:30:13.440 nationalists are I sound like Paul Joseph Watson now but nationalists are the real sort of counterculture

00:30:19.320 you know all the other parties are sort of you know two sides of the same coin all sort of pushing

00:30:24.100 against an open door and nationalists really are countering against that so I think they want to

00:30:28.800 take out opposition um and you know it's important from their perspective to have a lot of ticks next to

00:30:34.820 right-wing terror threat so they go after people I mean we've had three of our guys in Patriotic

00:30:39.460 Alternative who have been sent to prison and none of them were for anything to do with PA it was all

00:30:45.740 from stuff before PA but one was Sam one was James Costello and one was Sven Longshanks and it was all

00:30:53.160 you know posting stuff online that kind of stuff all three of these men are gentlemen none of them are

00:30:58.120 violent you know none of them have any previous convictions none of them have any plans to go out and

00:31:02.580 hurt anyone they're just pro-white people and they've been targeted by the state in a very unfair

00:31:08.580 manner well before we go to Steve I just want to say the stickers because I was reading the article

00:31:13.380 about the court case and what Sam they actually brought up against him I guess the stickers had

00:31:17.440 slogans like intolerance is a virtue they seek conquest not asylum and there's a war on whites so

00:31:23.900 that's pretty tame yeah and Sam was able to he had an opportunity during his trial to to defend

00:31:30.600 everything and he he defended the stickers very eloquently I mean intolerance is a virtue

00:31:36.360 if you tolerate something there's an assumption there that it's bad do you know I mean you don't

00:31:43.080 tolerate a nicely cooked meal or you don't tolerate a diamond ring if you have to tolerate something it's

00:31:48.440 a bad thing isn't it so Sam was able to like sort of debunk any accusations of hate and just say like

00:31:54.680 why is tolerance a virtue why do I have to tolerate bad things that happen into my people in my country

00:31:59.060 and he did such a great job during the trial but they ended up bringing I mean I don't know if

00:32:05.840 you've looked into his case in much detail but the evidence that they did have it was just nothing

00:32:09.740 um it was one of my books so I had a book on my bedside table tomorrow we live by Sir Oswald Morsley

00:32:16.240 and they entered that into evidence and apparently that means that you know Sam intended to incite hatred

00:32:23.040 I better get rid of my original copy from my great-grandfather then Jesus Christ

00:32:28.480 yeah and I read that they said there was a poster of Hitler they found or something well it was a 0.61

00:32:32.620 funny picture in in uh in the garage that Sam and his friends used to exercise in during lockdown it

00:32:38.860 was something to do with Hitler doing pull-ups it wasn't like a serious picture not that a picture is

00:32:43.620 evidence of wanting to incite racial hatred anywhere but they never showed the picture I don't know if you

00:32:48.060 noticed that because it was just a funny picture but the book you know I got up in court and I testified

00:32:52.280 that it was my book and I showed the receipts of me buying it before me and Sam had even got together

00:32:56.460 and they entered that into evidence and then they read through it must have been tens of thousands of

00:33:02.580 text messages that Sam had sent over the course of 10 years and they cherry-picked I think it was five

00:33:09.380 text messages where he'd used racial slurs so in one text message he'd said something about

00:33:14.560 p-a-k-i drivers you know saying the bad drivers yeah yeah and they they submitted that as evidence

00:33:21.380 and it was just that that was it there was nothing else and and somehow managed to convince the jury to

00:33:26.560 go guilty Steve you had your hand up and then we'll get to Lee yeah I mean the intolerance thing

00:33:37.940 you know they never speak badly when the left is intolerant of you know British or you know European

00:33:45.420 peoples um certain their right to exist they're never signaling that intolerance of of being

00:33:54.100 nationalists um as a bad thing but they always you know anytime someone expresses love for their European

00:34:02.920 ancestry or culture they call that intolerance and that's bad thing and on the you know the fact

00:34:10.720 that they would send counter-terrorism to a British man's house over stickers meanwhile there's you know

00:34:18.620 over a million women and girls being raped and they're doing nothing about that to me that just shows

00:34:25.720 how treasonous the British government is and I'm curious if um you know of or if you've been able to work

00:34:35.040 with Kate Fanning at all

00:34:36.420 um she came to a couple of patriotic alternative events um but it was a few years ago now um I think it was

00:34:47.700 the was it the 2022 conference and then she came to an event um when I don't know if you saw PA Yorkshire

00:34:55.700 put up a massive banner on Clifford's Tower in York saying white lives matter and it was like the 0.98

00:35:00.120 full length of Clifford's Tower she came to that event but since then to be completely honest we've

00:35:05.360 we've not got on and it's not it's not me having an issue with her it's she just really doesn't like

00:35:10.760 me I'm not sure what I've done but um she is like very very very negative towards me and writes a lot of

00:35:17.560 um like really a sort of like abusive and aggressive messages about me so I just completely ignore her

00:35:23.680 um I'm not sure what her issue is but she can do that I'm sorry to hear that and that's something

00:35:28.940 that you know is a problem in all white countries is that there's um and I think that this is 0.72

00:35:35.840 something that you know our adversaries encourage and try to inflame is there's too much um you know

00:35:43.260 counter-signaling amongst the right wing this is something we could really use to learn from the

00:35:48.220 left wing is the left wing never counter-signals each other but it seems that you know right wing

00:35:53.500 dissidents uh would rather go after people on the same side as them rather than uh focusing on the

00:36:00.980 common adversary I wonder would it be possible to jump in with a quick question for Laura

00:36:07.120 if that's not inappropriate Laura it just seems pertinent to ask you with respect to patriotic

00:36:16.560 alternative um at the moment my understanding is that they're not um you're not a league you're not

00:36:21.680 a political party people can't vote for you is that purely because of legal barriers to forming a

00:36:27.060 political party and being recognized thus or is that a strategic choice at the moment of PA if I may ask

00:36:32.120 um when I think when we launched PA we tried to do everything because there wasn't really a genuine

00:36:38.740 nationalist organization out there that was talking about race and was being honest about

00:36:42.600 you know the JQ and all sorts of other stuff so we tried to do everything and we had a number of

00:36:47.360 applications submitted for us to register as a political party that were just declined and the 0.72

00:36:52.780 electoral commission were rejecting us on really stupid stuff like for example at one point they said 0.69

00:36:58.480 you propose banning full face bills um you can't be accepted to be a political party because that 0.99

00:37:04.960 will mean that Muslim women won't vote for you and it was like what you know not everybody wants to 0.94

00:37:09.440 vote for every single party and they do things and then we change it and then they'd say that we

00:37:15.000 couldn't do the new thing and it was like but you said this before and they were like yeah we've

00:37:17.940 changed our mind they just made things really really difficult for us um there was a freedom of

00:37:22.760 information request that was done though that that said that it had come from above the electoral

00:37:26.280 commission you know the decision had come from above not to register us um but i think as time's gone

00:37:31.260 on you know we've tried electoral stuff over the last few years we've had a number of people stood

00:37:36.240 as independents and we've had a number of our activists volunteer as candidates for other political

00:37:40.740 parties and it's not really been something that our activists have got that excited that have got that

00:37:45.640 excited about um they don't seem to think that we are going to vote our way out of this and they seem to

00:37:51.300 want to focus more on building a community creating a parallel society um acting as a pressure group

00:37:56.620 doing proper top tier activism that helps our people um you know and like things like the political

00:38:02.000 prisoner fundraiser this is the stuff that our activists really seem to love the big protests that

00:38:06.820 we did you know where we got like drag queen story hour events shut down and migrant hotels shut

00:38:10.760 down that is what PA does really well and a lot of our people do not have much faith in the electoral

00:38:16.160 system at all um and there are so many nationalist political parties in this country there are so

00:38:21.800 many micro parties there are so many that you can choose from they're all competing against each other

00:38:26.060 and i think PA is doing something different with the advocacy and the activism and the pressure group

00:38:31.060 that kind of thing um so we're that's our little corner of nationalism really and that's what we're

00:38:36.900 going to continue to do going forward thank you very much laura for that really thorough answer

00:38:43.320 that's very useful very interesting if if the briefest of follow-ups there for people who are

00:38:48.300 not absolutely disillusioned with the voting uh with the you know staying within the political system

00:38:52.460 um who vote for homeland do you have any comment at all on homeland as a political party any thoughts

00:38:57.920 at all on those well you know homeland used to be part of patriotic alternative um so they were

00:39:04.440 they were with us i think it was about two years ago now that they splintered off and they went and

00:39:09.760 may 2023 it was nine members i believe kenny smith and co split off yeah so again it's 25 now so it

00:39:17.500 was it was about two years ago um to be completely honest it wasn't a good it wasn't a good split um

00:39:23.900 there was it was it was done in a very unprofessional manner um there was theft of money

00:39:31.000 you know tens of thousands of pounds um theft of data destroying data lots of lies and bitchiness and 1.00

00:39:37.080 you know this just this proper gay behavior you know setting up little private chat groups and 0.97

00:39:42.100 creating these really dramatic open letters and going around collecting signatures it was just like

00:39:46.600 a really bad split and myself and mark just tried not to talk about it publicly they're off to do their

00:39:51.560 thing we're doing our thing but it wasn't a good breakup um and you know now they're focusing on

00:39:56.860 elections so if that's what they want to do if they think that that's the solution um you know if

00:40:01.860 they win that's a good thing for all of us so um they can go and do that and like i say there are a

00:40:08.200 lot of nationalist micro parties there's also um i mean some of them are i would say a controlled

00:40:15.640 opposition but we've got um we've got reform and then we've got rupert law who's potentially starting

00:40:20.340 a new party we've got ukip we've got reclaim we've got britain first we've got the british democrats

00:40:25.440 the english democrats um the heritage party with david curtain who who i quite like um so there's

00:40:32.140 there's so many there's so many different options out there what you need to do as an individual is

00:40:35.960 take a look at what they're saying do you like the message do you like the manifesto and you can

00:40:40.160 choose one and also i think these parties should work together as well um you know don't stand in

00:40:44.840 the same seat don't have three nationalist parties standing in the same seat work together

00:40:48.820 and use your manpower collectively to get one of those parties elected um but i i don't endorse

00:40:55.360 homeland uh individually but it's up to other people to go and make up their own mind about that

00:41:00.880 and please say that you guys will not endorse reform either just that yeah i want to get to

00:41:06.760 yeah for a while and yeah lee's been patient here all right lee jump in there babe i i don't really

00:41:14.740 have a question um but i just more of a a comment to laura that um i really appreciate uh the work

00:41:21.080 that her and mark do and and as well as sam it's not an easy feat uh to be standing up for uh white

00:41:28.300 replaced or standing against white replacement and advocating for the white race um especially in

00:41:33.500 the uk and um i've been watching mark for quite a long time before you know there were there were a lot

00:41:39.640 of uh dissidents here in canada so i just wanted to uh spread my uh appreciation for you guys in the

00:41:46.620 uk so thank you oh thank you very much that means a lot yeah lee's amazing here in canada she's an

00:41:56.540 amazing part of our dissident tribe and uh she and i are both familiar and coasty we're all familiar

00:42:03.640 with the counter signaling coming from our own team so it's just it's amazing how um quick we are to

00:42:12.800 punch white punch right and uh hurt people who are on our own side because i think sometimes fighting

00:42:20.440 the enemy is more daunting than uh fighting ourselves and you know you're sure to land a punch when you're

00:42:27.560 hitting somebody on your own side where you're not sure if you're going to actually have a good

00:42:33.160 landed attack when you are punching at the enemy so i really we get it in canada as part of the

00:42:40.800 commonwealth we absolutely get it um so i guess back to sam so he's been charged he's incarcerated

00:42:51.600 are you pregnant at the time or did you have a like a just a brand new baby where were you at in

00:42:58.400 your pregnancy at that time um so when sam was sentenced um so the sentence you know you get

00:43:04.900 you get taken to prison straight away that was on the first of march last year so i was almost eight

00:43:10.700 months pregnant when he got sentenced and then a month later obviously i had i had our daughter by

00:43:16.500 myself while sam was in prison oh my gosh i'm so sorry that is like it's hard enough having a baby

00:43:25.840 you know and it's really hard to have a baby and dad not be there um i can't even imagine so

00:43:33.180 where like did you lean on family did you just call upon inner resources in yourself how did what was

00:43:40.960 your support looking like at that time well i'm lucky because i do have a very um close and supportive

00:43:47.940 family and good friends as well i mean mark is to be honest mark is probably my best friend you know

00:43:52.940 we talk every single day not that i'd want him there in the delivery room he'd be terrible at

00:43:56.920 that no no that's too much yeah but yeah it was it was weird because obviously um you know anyone who's

00:44:07.940 who's had a baby know that like contractions start and they can go on for quite a while before you

00:44:13.540 actually have the baby um and you don't want to be in hospital for that whole time because they'll just

00:44:18.500 send you home and the plan was for me and sam to stay at home for as long as possible and then when

00:44:24.200 the time is right we go into hospital together he drives me into hospital we have the baby um but i

00:44:29.840 was by myself and um sam wasn't there so i was uh at home by myself with my toddler um who was two at

00:44:38.040 the time she's now three and um yeah i just i ended up going there was they thought that there was

00:44:44.880 that there was some sort of issue with the the pregnancy so they asked me to go in just to get

00:44:48.840 a couple of checks and um it actually just like labor just started while i was in hospital and it

00:44:54.760 was it it happened quite fast so my sister came in um to to be there with me i told her not to but

00:45:00.980 she came in because she was like i don't want you to be by yourself and then i was just there um

00:45:05.480 i think my daughter my baby violet she was born at about half past 10 at night and then i just came

00:45:12.180 home the next morning they just they asked me to stay in for a little bit came home the next morning

00:45:16.140 and just sat waiting for sam's phone call you know for it from because you can't when you're when

00:45:21.560 someone's in prison you can't phone them they can only phone you um so i was waiting for him to phone

00:45:27.220 me and he phoned me i think like seven o'clock in the morning or something and i was like yeah she's

00:45:31.680 here and it was just yeah it was weird because obviously he should have been there for that moment

00:45:36.580 um and then i kept her secret and didn't let anybody see her because i wanted sam to see her

00:45:42.680 before anyone else and it took it took about a week for us to be able to arrange a visit and i had

00:45:49.640 to take her into prison so sam was in leeds prison at this time um had to take her into prison and he

00:45:56.840 had an hour with her and then i had to take her home and that were it and you can only have one visit 0.52

00:46:02.300 a week so yeah he was only seeing her once a week um and then he got moved to whole prison where the

00:46:08.300 visits are two hours so we got to see her for two hours instead of one hour but yeah for the first

00:46:13.940 eight nine months of her life he only saw her once a week for an hour or two um and obviously now he's

00:46:19.900 home he's he's spending every minute that he can with her and to be honest he's been out of prison

00:46:24.540 now for three two and a half months and he's just bonded with her so well like it you wouldn't have

00:46:31.380 thought that he's been away luckily she's so young that she she's just sort of like molded to him

00:46:36.920 and it's like he's always been here um so yeah i don't think there'll be any long-term problems but

00:46:42.080 it was a very tough year for him you know bringing your daughter in and then having to take her away

00:46:47.400 after an hour while you go back to your cell like i can't even can't even imagine how tough it was for

00:46:51.740 him oh my gosh i can't like you know when we're looking at the uk and we see these pakistani rape 1.00

00:47:01.220 gangs and we see boatloads of africans coming off the shores and um they have no resources there's 1.00

00:47:08.440 no money to handle this but of course there's money for the war in ukraine and there's money

00:47:13.820 money to persecute um you know white activists it seems like there's endless funds to persecute

00:47:20.280 white activists and the timing of this was unbelievable okay i have lee's hand up

00:47:26.700 lee and then quote minor yeah okay lee jump in there babe laura can you retell the story about

00:47:33.520 your um incident with yorkshire tea and where can we buy yours oh yeah well that that was the best

00:47:42.260 the best tweet that i ever that i ever tweeted because um it launched grandma towlers but uh yes

00:47:48.460 it was during the the summer of the blm riots and all these brands and you know corporations and

00:47:53.440 companies and stuff everyone was just black lives matter this black lives matter that none of them 1.00

00:47:57.480 actually cared they're all just jumping on the bandwagon and it was doing my head in and yorkshire

00:48:01.660 tea who used to be my favorite brand of tea uh they hadn't said anything about black lives matter so i

00:48:06.900 just put up a tweet saying oh i'm really glad that you know yorkshire tea haven't said anything about

00:48:11.000 black lives matter and they responded to me and they tweeted me and said please don't drink our tea again

00:48:17.300 um i think it was something about like we're educating ourselves about racism or something

00:48:22.160 until we take action um basically called me me racist and told me not to buy their tea anymore

00:48:27.680 and for some reason it just went viral it was just i don't know why but it was just absolutely huge it

00:48:34.440 was in like every newspaper in this country i woke up the next morning and i turned the tv on

00:48:39.140 and piers morgan was talking about me on tv i was like what the hell and it was just yeah it was

00:48:45.640 just crazy like every every newspaper that i opened it was there in the i don't know why it

00:48:49.780 was such a big story like it was like yorkshire tea stands up to racist you know that kind of thing

00:48:54.680 so i just shared the quote in the nest so yeah i just thought to myself oh my gosh this is crazy 0.97

00:49:02.340 and grandma towels is doing very well now is it yeah yeah so i just thought well you know screw you 0.55

00:49:07.680 guys i'm not buying you tea anymore then so i started my own tea company grandma towels.co.uk

00:49:12.900 and we are i think over the so that was we've been going for three and a half years now and i think

00:49:19.760 that we are close to having 10 000 orders and it's just it's it's a full-time business for me and sam

00:49:27.080 you know it provides a full-time income into the household and the great thing about it as well is

00:49:31.740 the profits that we generate from that we invest back into nationalism so we've we've bought uh like

00:49:37.140 litter pickers and stuff like that for cleaning up local areas we've donated money towards homeless

00:49:41.880 outreach we've donated the marketing budget towards nationalist candidates that have stood in

00:49:47.140 elections um and we just try and you know use the money for good things while it also um allowing us

00:49:54.000 to be self-employed and do nationalism full-time so yeah it's a it's a just a real honor to work at

00:50:01.060 grandma towels and sam loves it as well um although he's not allowed to work at it at the moment while

00:50:05.560 he's on license but uh yeah and the customers you know we've got a lot of loyal customers you see

00:50:10.500 the same names popping up every couple of weeks um and they've been with us since the start obviously

00:50:15.200 new people pop up as well but yeah a lot of loyal customers um we have quote minor go ahead

00:50:24.160 hi hi laura i really admire your the sacrifices you and your family have made um

00:50:35.120 um and uh the messaging of of sam was just genius i think uh my question is if if you've been able to

00:50:48.240 require uh or acquire a full court transcripts sort of in on the official paper and um from the courtroom clerk or whatever because i think that would uh i'd be very curious to

00:51:05.100 read that it has um um it was the same when the court or when the judge he made the sentence recently

00:51:15.560 uh about the young ones throwing stones at a migrant hotel it was really viral and i think it has a

00:51:23.840 immense power when when you sort of read these old transcripts like for instance the transcript of

00:51:29.480 uh the central trials um so i'm just curious if you had a transcript of official transcript from the court case

00:51:40.280 they're actually refusing to give us the transcript unless we can give them sort of like an official

00:51:46.700 reason why we need it so for example if if sam was appealing his conviction um which he wanted to do

00:51:53.660 but two uh separate solicitors told us that he didn't have any grounds to appeal the conviction

00:51:59.060 i know that sounds stupid because the jury i genuine genuinely believe you've got the wrong answer

00:52:03.680 but you can um appeal a conviction in this country if the jury get the wrong answer there has to have 0.92

00:52:08.920 been like a technical error along the way so you know like if the judge gives incorrect guidance or if

00:52:15.000 there's jury tampering or um you know stuff like that like if there is if there has been a mistake made

00:52:21.100 along the way then you can appeal it but you can't just appeal it because the jury got the wrong answer

00:52:26.000 so sam didn't have any grounds to appeal um the the conviction uh so if we were appealing then we

00:52:33.440 might have been able to get the transcript for that but because sam wasn't able to do that they

00:52:37.400 wouldn't give him they wouldn't give him the transcript unfortunately um but i mean you can see

00:52:41.540 some of the judge's sentencing remarks from the media reports and the the judge i'm not sure how much

00:52:47.720 i'm allowed to say on this call but the the judge basically made the whole um sentence about about

00:52:53.960 jews he was just talking about you know that there's a real risk of anti-semitism on the streets and

00:52:59.540 you know you're a danger to the jews and stuff like that to sam and sam was sat there listening

00:53:04.200 like what the hell my trial was not not even anything to do with jews it was you know the stickers were to 0.87

00:53:08.720 do with like grooming gangs and demographics and stuff so i think they because these protests were

00:53:13.620 happening against israel they seem to use sam as like an example you know like just get him up on

00:53:20.180 a platform and knock him down and and say that it's you know there's a risk to the jews and there's 0.76

00:53:24.640 anti-semitism and stuff but it was it was like he was just a scapegoat for that really because that's

00:53:29.480 not what his trial was about at all interesting that white people being proud to be white is somehow a

00:53:37.760 threat to the jews meanwhile they can be proud to be jewish and somehow that's perfectly okay 1.00

00:53:43.660 well that's funny because they had said that like i think the term the judge used was

00:53:49.980 it was national nationalistic and i was like when is that like how when did that become like a

00:53:55.680 a crime you know what i mean it's okay if it's other races but like nationalistic it was like the

00:54:02.180 judge it seems like the judge was saying it as it was if it was a bad thing which was interesting to me

00:54:06.360 yeah i mean it says on the cps website sorry it says on the cps website uh stickers of a

00:54:11.700 nationalist nature and it's like so what you know yeah it's not legal but they're saying in the trial

00:54:18.340 oh it's nothing to do with politics it's nothing to do with ideology it literally says on your

00:54:22.320 website that it's because he's a nationalist like make up your mind yeah i think that's a there will

00:54:28.780 be a time people will look back and then um will have to get confirmation that you could indeed

00:54:36.180 go to jail for saying it's okay to be white and i think it's a very powerful um it's a very

00:54:42.560 powerful case that uh that sam has um um had to go through um going forward it would be uh of

00:54:53.200 uh great significance to actually get it on paper i'm sure there's also been some absurd dialogues

00:55:00.800 in those back and forth i don't know if there was cross-examination or if how it went down in the

00:55:06.860 courtroom but it would just be very interesting to see this confrontation and the hypocrisy of it all

00:55:12.120 in a transcript not to fed post too much but we know where judge bayless etc judge tom bayless kc

00:55:21.760 will i quote a few if you don't mind because it's it's just so on friday judge tom bayless kc of leeds

00:55:30.900 county court a barrister 34 years old at the time i'm quite sure that your mindset is that of a racist 0.50

00:55:38.300 and the white supremacist you hold nazi sympathies and you are an anti-semite 0.93

00:55:44.880 posting stickers saying that white lives matter seems odd 0.98

00:55:49.820 wow so that's your judge that's the judge that's like so he's completely biased wow yeah and people

00:56:00.380 found his twitter account and just for the record i don't um i don't condone this but people found his

00:56:06.060 twitter account and he was basically bullied off twitter um because there was there was um there

00:56:11.800 was pictures of him doing the black power salute in front of statues of nelson mandala

00:56:16.480 and and there was stuff like that yeah yeah and he i i saw it on twitter i think i must have had an

00:56:22.440 account at the time or maybe i saw it on my old one um people were just god they were ripping into him

00:56:30.960 so bad it was just thousands and thousands and thousands of tweets and he ended up locking his

00:56:36.560 account um and then he ended up just deleting his account so he saw how the public responded to to

00:56:42.320 what he did they even purged reference to him presiding over that case on his official page

00:56:50.000 that they all have by law so that one was swept under the rug

00:56:54.360 how did you find your representation was laura did you feel you had a good barrister or we call them

00:57:03.800 lawyers over here did you feel that you know it was just stacked against you or you know you just got

00:57:11.280 the kind of lawyer that you got and you know he did the best he could but oh do you know it's a

00:57:17.320 sam's lawyer was called richard um and he he was brilliant he was really really good and when he gave

00:57:23.660 his closing statement um i i thought he'd won it for us like i don't i genuinely don't know how the jury

00:57:30.360 listened he debunked every argument that the prosecution put forward it was absolutely brilliant

00:57:35.720 i almost had tears in my eyes because i thought you've just won this for sam

00:57:38.540 and then the prosecution got up and gave their closing statement and they bumbled their way

00:57:43.440 through it and they were like we're not doing this because we're anti-white or because you know

00:57:46.900 we've got a problem with sam's politics and i just he was on the defense he was on the back foot

00:57:51.600 and i was like richard's won this for us and then the jury went away came back and said guilty

00:57:55.800 and i was just like what i was just confused for so long it was a jewish jury it well well do you know

00:58:02.520 what they so there's 12 people on the jury um there were three foreigners nine white british people

00:58:08.900 and they have to elect somebody to be like the leader of the jury and they elected the pakistani

00:58:14.680 man to be the leader of the jury you're kidding so he was the one that came out and said guilty so i

00:58:20.000 don't know if it was like i'm not arguing this case in front of a pakistani or or what i don't know

00:58:24.200 if they all just chickened out on the day but yeah i just don't know how they came up with that

00:58:28.540 conclusion i really don't steve you have your hand up and we've brought up ht welcome ht well to

00:58:36.260 borrow a quote from a british man rowan atkinson who's fairly you know pro-free speech it sounds like

00:58:43.600 your case was as watertight as a mermaid's brasier and in my opinion when that's the case

00:58:50.980 and the prosecution's bumbling and they have a foreigner as the leader of the jury

00:58:56.020 that seems to me like there's probably some discussion and this is just my speculation

00:59:01.240 there is probably some discussion in the deliberation room that you have to find a

00:59:07.460 guilty conviction there is no other decision forget anything you heard just vote this way

00:59:13.960 or we can make an example out of you just like we made an example out of uh samelia

00:59:20.200 yeah i mean people have said you know do you think they got to the jury but i don't know how

00:59:28.140 they could do it because what if one of them took you know like made it public and said oh we were

00:59:33.280 told told this it's a big risk isn't it unless they planted one of their guys on the jury or i don't

00:59:37.660 know if it's possible to do that um i i think that a lot of people are too weak to argue for

00:59:46.160 quote-unquote racism and when you're in a room and you've got three foreigners sat in front of you

00:59:50.940 you're not going to say yeah you know it might be a bit racist but not guilty and i just think that

00:59:57.240 the people who were passionate on the jury were the people who wanted to go guilty and i just don't

01:00:02.140 think the other people have the balls to argue against them and and that's even that is a form of 0.96

01:00:09.200 jury tampering putting three foreigners who are adamantly like oh this white man is racist 0.97

01:00:14.840 like that that skews the jury they're very selective in who they put on the jury right 0.96

01:00:19.980 so they would find a bunch of uh you know weak milquetoose white people and then three you know

01:00:27.480 very boisterous foreigners and that stacks the jury uh if i may say this is the least um understood the

01:00:35.420 most difficult thing to explain both to foreigners and to british people the extent to which the

01:00:40.000 psychological landscape of the uk has been corrupted and changed and warped and distorted

01:00:45.120 people very ordinary normal people without strong biases now find themselves in a position where

01:00:51.320 reflexively if they're in the presence of three racial foreigners um the the sheer courage that it 0.81

01:00:56.680 takes now to offer any pushback the kind of fear that's been inculcated in people over literally

01:01:01.860 decades of relentless propaganda you don't even need to rig a jury now you can fairly reliably produce

01:01:09.060 that result now from random brits i am very sorry to say uh despite the excellent defense no doubt that

01:01:14.820 uh that richard this barrister offered that is the least appreciated and most difficult thing to both

01:01:19.960 explain and counter i would suggest yeah absolutely we're we're watching canadians do the same thing

01:01:28.620 we're watching them cave and fold and collapse ht you had your hand up welcome

01:01:34.980 hi how are you um thanks for having me on um laura i'm sorry about the whole sam thing being locked up

01:01:45.660 i'm wondering if there's any way uh if he's doing all right on his books i don't know if you guys call

01:01:51.220 it the same thing we call it commissary we put money on the books is he is there any way to support

01:01:56.780 him in that or is he taken care of what's the status on being able to help out with the cause

01:02:02.240 oh yeah so someone asked this earlier actually um so sam was released just before christmas but he's

01:02:09.840 now on license for another year um so he's uh he's not allowed to stay at home yet he's still got to

01:02:16.700 stay at an approved premises but he's basically free through the day so we're seeing him every day

01:02:21.500 he can eat what he wants he can buy what he wants you know that kind of thing um but you know if people

01:02:26.140 do want to offer support we do have a fundraiser which is active at the moment which is for the

01:02:30.040 families of political prisoners and there's so many other people who are being targeted for facebook

01:02:34.840 posts or attending protests and um you know just stupid things like having documents on the computer

01:02:40.560 that they've never even opened you can donate to this fundraiser um which i think was shared earlier

01:02:46.120 on and um 100 of that money goes towards the families of political prisoners so you know dads and

01:02:52.480 mums have been and carers have been ripped away from families and then their families are struggling

01:02:56.760 on the outside so we're donating the money to them we don't take an admin fee or anything and

01:03:01.180 whenever we donate money we make it public where it's gone so it would be great if anyone who's

01:03:06.240 listening who wants to support political prisoners if they donate to that fundraiser we'll make sure

01:03:10.220 we get it dished out um and and sammy's doing great um you know on the outside and we get to see

01:03:15.640 him every day and it'll be nice when he can come home properly um but like i said you know a lot of

01:03:20.120 people are still are still apart from their families so we need to help them so he's in like a halfway

01:03:26.500 house essentially yeah well usually when you get out of prison you might go to a approved premises for

01:03:31.500 like a week or two and then you come home but they've told sam that he has to stay there for at least

01:03:36.320 six months potentially 12 months because he's such a high risk because of stickers so there are people

01:03:42.540 in that approved premises who have stabbed people and there are people who have done crimes involving

01:03:49.540 children in that approved premises and they stay there for a couple of weeks and then get sent

01:03:53.420 home and sam's got to stay there for at least six months because of stickers it's it's honestly it's

01:03:58.480 just mental yeah it is pretty bad i just want to say also never never underestimate your enemy guys

01:04:04.460 um you know i did 25 days in jail over thanksgiving for attempted littering with a clean record clean

01:04:13.000 no criminal uh record at all and um all the other guys that were involved in my case you know all my

01:04:21.880 activist buddies they got offered probation i didn't get offered probation i got 25 days in jail

01:04:27.420 and for attempted littering meaning i didn't even litter um also this is uh protected under the first

01:04:35.660 amendment freedom of speech freedom of religion as far as you know distributing information on on flyers

01:04:42.260 and um you know the jury selection they say they asked him before i don't know if they do this in

01:04:48.160 the uk but are you biased in any way well i don't know how this happened but the head juror of my uh

01:04:55.160 uh jury was jewish so you think she might have a little bit of bias uh and regardless it shouldn't 0.90

01:05:03.960 even gone to uh it shouldn't even gone to trial the judge should have thrown it out based on um

01:05:08.900 but it's already gone to um supreme court it's already case law that this is protected speech

01:05:14.800 but it's kangaroo courts and i'm finding out that even in the next level of courts um i forgot what

01:05:22.900 that's called i i forgot what we're at with it but we're taking all the way right now it went to the

01:05:27.560 next level pardon the one court the appellate court yeah that's a joke too because i mean these people

01:05:33.600 these judges have you know played golf with each other right next door the building's right next

01:05:37.620 door and now it's going to the supreme court of florida next uh just to get this whole thing

01:05:43.220 overturned and if i didn't have friends that could pass uh you know get paperwork through the courts

01:05:47.940 this would this would be upwards to like 50 grand just to get something overturned um so we need more

01:05:55.680 guys that know law that can push the paperwork through i don't know how it goes in the uk if you

01:06:00.700 guys have this like appellate thing or do you have a supreme court or how it works but definitely

01:06:06.440 you got to fight it you know tooth and nail all the way to the top just to show you know we got to

01:06:11.780 get people understand that we do not have rights um a lot of people you know are out there and they

01:06:17.940 think that we have this muff free speech guns and um they're under illusion of comfort and we just we

01:06:25.440 really don't have that and guys like sam are kind of showing you that they're going to make it illegal

01:06:30.520 to be white you know not just in the uk but in the united states i mean south africa is a great great 0.98

01:06:36.400 example right now where it's like hey just take take what you want from the board and um kill them 0.97

01:06:43.020 and that's that's what's what we're facing here guys is is a genocide where it's going to be legal

01:06:48.120 for us to be destroyed and our families to be destroyed so we've got to fight back now and we

01:06:54.600 need more guys like sam that are willing to put their neck out there and there's going to be

01:06:59.320 sacrifices there's going to be people that go to jail there's going to be people that die

01:07:02.620 but um we've got to fight fight fight so um i'll tell sam i said i hope he's doing well

01:07:08.960 and um yeah i'm not sure if he's still working with mark i don't know if he can disclose that but

01:07:14.260 you know i know mark was a big uh supporter of sam and i hope hopefully you guys keep fighting out

01:07:19.940 there in the uk and god bless thank you yes it sounds like you were also uh convicted of pre-crime

01:07:27.960 like what what's that what does that even mean like you plan to do some littering but you didn't

01:07:33.460 but um listen guys i'm gonna have to go now um because i've got had until seven so it's we've

01:07:39.280 just gone past seven um but it was really nice to speak to you all and uh hopefully we can do it

01:07:44.400 again sometime we'd love that laura yes thank you so much for joining us thank you so much and thanks

01:07:50.740 to steve for being able to help laura create an account because uh it was not going well um you know

01:08:00.020 as of a few hours ago we were we were not on but pants into the rescue um and uh laura you know

01:08:09.020 again we will share the um the patriotic alternative i did want to talk about the other prisoners that

01:08:15.380 you know you were supporting and what was going on with them maybe we can do that at another time

01:08:20.560 but lots of love to sam and to your beautiful little babies and um thanks to stern and acceptable

01:08:29.100 and quote minor and lee and ht and all the people who are here um in canada united states uk and beyond

01:08:36.620 who have got your backs and we are watching and we're paying attention and nothing's going to happen

01:08:42.580 without us noticing so um we're all in this together uh sending lots of love laura oh thank you very much

01:08:51.820 take care everyone and enjoy the rest of your call and i'll uh i'll catch up with you soon hopefully

01:08:56.260 good night all right dear bye bye bye good night god bless thank you laura god bless and royal britannia

01:09:03.620 yes jared taylor expresses his best set of wishes for sam malia by the way oh nice i i also didn't want to

01:09:12.940 take up space um or any of the precious time but one of the issues that really got myself and a lot of the

01:09:19.760 guys in the british nationalist movement is the debanking that pa had both laura and mark

01:09:27.120 they were charged with trumped up terrorism nonsense overnight and there was a conspiracy

01:09:34.380 by i believe santander their bank at the time correct me if i'm mistaken i'm fairly certain it was

01:09:39.100 santander and within the space of a few minutes they had the label of terrorists

01:09:46.760 they couldn't access any of their funds whatsoever they were essentially forced 0.94

01:09:53.480 to beg borrow and steal from friends family and fools it's just all this open lawfare it is open lawfare 0.91

01:10:03.160 right like ht said uh a possible littering or attempted littering or stickering on lampposts 0.94

01:10:11.160 our legal system is so anti-white right i was i was also charged with more or less the same thing

01:10:20.680 that sam was charged with insight incitement of racial hatred now fortunately i had nationalist 0.51

01:10:28.480 lawyers within the group that i was at the time back in 2016 yeah 2016 17 this happened

01:10:35.080 and it was thrown out due to english common law the kind of law that they don't want you to know

01:10:40.960 about so i thank god that i wasn't sentenced i think it was three months you know it was a plea

01:10:46.940 deal of three months and a six thousand pound fine there it is again six thousand so honestly god

01:10:55.060 bless laura and everyone else who've suffered the betterment of the british population or any

01:11:01.040 indigenous population of the white western nations because you put your head above the parapet you 0.99

01:11:06.320 paint the target on your back and there will be maximum terrorism brought down upon you so thank

01:11:14.060 you god bless you laura god bless mark and all the others within the nationalist community who have

01:11:20.400 sacrificed for our cause thank you stern thank you for bringing your beautiful like eloquently put as

01:11:27.780 always eloquently uh yeah as always it makes us all feel like we we stutter um so in light of that i too

01:11:36.900 am going to run off with my children and um i have some on march break and uh so we're going to enjoy a

01:11:44.220 little bit of sunshine while it still exists um thank you for joining the space and thank you for

01:11:50.080 supporting um this patriotic alternatives initiative to um to donate funds to political prisoners and the the list is

01:12:02.100 getting miles and miles long and so uh as canadians we are part of the british commonwealth and um what

01:12:11.040 happens to them happens to us and so i'm just really grateful that we were able to pull this together because i

01:12:18.240 promise you um it was not easy right up until the last minute so thanks postie thanks steve thanks

01:12:26.360 acceptable thanks stern thanks quote minor thanks lee yes all right and uh you guys tomorrow night

01:12:33.620 tomorrow night for nationalist roundtable nationalist canadian nationalist roundtable yeah we will uh be

01:12:40.620 discussing all the disaster that has become of canada yes more more disaster talk tomorrow night all right

01:12:50.840 all right guys see ya bye

postyX - March 14, 2025

Its not easy being White in the UK： with Laura Towler

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