postyX - April 04, 2025
Modern Pioneers: Creating Free Folk Conditions in Weimar
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Summary
In this episode, we are joined by our good friends, Arvel and Posty, to talk about a variety of topics. Topics covered include: - What does it mean to be Canadian in the winter? - How does it compare to other places in the country? - What is it like to live in the South? - What do you think about the current climate in the US? - Is it better than the weather in other parts of the country than it is in Canada?
Transcript
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We've been having crazy ice storms, rain storms, snow is warm.
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Out East, you guys get a bit more of an Indian summer usually.
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Your summer goes a little longer than ours sometimes.
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And then you hold on to winter a little longer.
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We don't usually get snow until, like, January.
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Like, I feel like we don't get a lot of snow up until January.
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And then, yeah, we end up with snow in April, which is what happened yesterday.
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And it's like, okay, were you doing this or are we not?
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Like, you know, and so it's beautiful sunny days.
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And then it's like, oh, my gosh, I'm fighting the winter winds from the Arctic.
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Yeah, I was in Calgary last weekend, and it was depressing.
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Not only because 90% of the people there are foreigners, but the weather was nice before I got there.
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And when I got there, it snowed a foot and went back down to, like, minus eight.
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But we have had some tornadoes and storms and all sorts of stuff.
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Yeah, I heard that there was some storms moving through that area of the U.S.
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I follow somebody who lives in, I guess, Indiana.
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I'm not sure how far that is from where you guys are, but.
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I guess the, like, tornado alley is further east this year.
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So, yeah, we wanted to introduce you, Curtis Arvel.
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We weren't sure if you guys were familiar with each other's work, but we're really proud
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And maybe we could just, like, share a bit about what we want to accomplish tonight.
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And, like, I guess, Posty, you might have a few ground rules for the audience just so
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that people know how, like, we want to run things tonight just so that we manage people's
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Well, we anticipate that this is going to be a really great, interesting conversation
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And I don't really want to put any kind of wrenches in it.
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If there's anybody, like, we may have agreed to bring other people up, but we're going to
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keep it as a closed mic just for the sake of information sharing and being able to let
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the guys cook and not have to any interruptions and stuff like that.
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So I appreciate if you want to come up and ask if we have time towards the end and the
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gentlemen are able to, we can maybe do a little bit of a Q&A.
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But I think up until that point, it's just going to be a closed mic.
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So I guess I've been thinking a lot about this conversation and the 14 words, right?
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We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.
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And, you know, yesterday, one of our beautiful Aryan sons was murdered.
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And he was this beautiful high school all-star football player.
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And he was murdered needlessly and died in his brother's arms.
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But I think for a lot of white people, they are starting to feel like they know what time
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And they see the writing on the wall with what's happening in South Africa, political persecution
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of, you know, white Australians who are trying to defend themselves.
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You know, any white country of white people who are trying to defend themselves are being
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And I think that for the people that can see a little bit into the future, they're really
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starting to say, no, like, we need a white fortress.
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And, like, more and more people are going to want to go this way.
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Even though I still defend people staying in cities and wanting to fight in their own
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And I want to go somewhere else with my own people and not have to live like this.
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Marvel, would you agree that that is part of the reason, like, these kinds of, you know,
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Weimar conditions that we experienced yesterday with Austin Metcalfe is why people want to return
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I mean, things like that happen every day, unfortunately.
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Growing up in Southern California, I saw bullying, attacks, assaults, fights that I don't want
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And I don't see any way of reliably giving that to future generations unless we reliably
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create spaces where we can have our own culture and our own values, you know, like we did in
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I mean, I've been across the country this year, not quite coast to coast, but west coast
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And I've been to all the major cities and we're in trouble.
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You know, there's minor discrepancies in the details of how fucked things are for Arval and
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But fundamentally, we have the same plight in that we are being genocided through political
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and economic and cultural and social tactics that are being weaponized against us.
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And we're being flooded by people who, up until the last few years, I never had issues
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And to be totally upfront, I don't have any issues with individuals as far as the color
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And I just want to be able to have a future for my kids, Arval and I are both parents,
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that looks at least close to what it was for me.
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And at least the similar opportunities and the freedom to associate and go around.
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And I spent a few hours doing some shopping at Ikea.
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And I don't mean shocked by the Swedish culture.
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I mean, 90% of the people there were not speaking English and were not white.
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And sad to say that it's the same in every metropolitan city in this country.
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In Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal's got its own interesting circumstances because of the
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And I'm with Arval 100% in that we need to find ways to balkanize as a people.
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I think him and I, it would be interesting to kind of explore things.
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I mean, I think for myself personally, there's some differences because of the situation that
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we're in, you know, for him in Arkansas, he's not too far from St. Louis or Memphis, Tennessee.
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And those are very, you know, urban, black, violent cities.
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And we just don't have that kind of stuff in Canada.
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So the types of immigrants we have that are flooding us are different.
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But I think ultimately, we're all going to agree on the outcome.
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And you ladies said it in the intro is that that we need to balkanize.
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And I think there's actually many ways to do that.
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And I'm excited for this conversation and to explore some of these ideas.
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And before I know Steve has his hand up before we just go to him and see what he has to say,
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I wanted to say, I probably grew up in the same kind of time as you guys did, or at least
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And I agree, like, that's all I've ever wanted for my kids is to have them grow up in that,
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you know, late 80s, you know, early to mid 90s kind of era for a teenager or for kids.
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So yeah, I can definitely empathize and sympathize with you.
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Yeah, first of all, I want to say great job to Posey and BASE for putting this space together.
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Really looking forward to hearing this discussion.
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We had him in 1488 radio, and it was very inspiring and heartening to hear what he's doing with
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the Return to the Land project, how he's structured it, and how, you know, it's not just something
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And, you know, he advocates for people to replicate the way that he's doing things with
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And to Curtis, you know, Curtis is a very knowledgeable homesteader and prepper.
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And it's probably because of his recent travel experience.
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But I remember hearing Curtis in 1488 radio several months ago and hearing the tone of his
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rhetoric having shifted to being a little more pro-white, you know, white preservationist
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is really a very welcome, you know, kind of shift.
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And I very much look forward to this discussion.
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And, you know, I want to kind of ask a little bit about history and just see how it compares
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We watched one of your videos, Arvel, and you talked about the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
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And maybe you could tell the audience, for those who don't know, who aren't American, what
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the Fair Housing Act of 1968 was, and how it kind of changed our destiny as the white European
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Yeah, that came on the tails of the civil rights acts in general of the 60s, you know, after
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Kennedy was assassinated, um, by, you know, we have our suspicions as to who did that now.
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Um, Johnson came in and started these sweeping reforms that led to things like affirmative
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action, which meant that minorities took priority in American corporations.
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And that is still basically the law of the land today.
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You know, the, the white candidates get placed at the bottom of the pile.
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If you're black, you get extra points applying to college and things like that.
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So that's one side of the civil rights act that we're all familiar with and affirmative
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The Fair Housing Act, uh, was really targeted at eliminating, uh, eliminating white communities
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by disallowing certain practices that were up until then pretty common, like redlining,
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you know, even companies that issue mortgages and are involved in real estate transactions.
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Like they were aware of the demographic realities of who is going to pay back loans and who's not.
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And they made sure that discrimination on the part of lenders was totally disallowed, uh,
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real estate brokers that was disallowed and even private real estate transactions.
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The rest of it, you, you could sort of make an argument that, you know, we all have a right
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to access to certain basic services in the economy, but, uh, they went beyond that where
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individuals are not allowed to have restrictive covenants.
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So in the past you could say, you know, this is a German neighborhood and if you want to
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buy a house here, you have to agree that when you sell your house, you sell it to another
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And that way ethnic enclaves could retain their cultural homogeneity and have some, some control
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When you sell your house, it has to be fully open market.
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You can get away with it on a case by case basis by, you know, only advertising to limited,
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um, markets online, you know, your friends and stuff like that.
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But if you try to scale that eventually you will get sued because it is illegal to discriminate
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So, um, because of that, there are not very many options for establishing a kind of white,
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uh, vulcanized areas within the U S which is why we took our approach of the private membership
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association in conjunction with an LLC that owns our land.
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So the reason we went with a PMA and there are other possible ways of doing this, you could
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Um, like there are different ethnic fraternities for Polish people or Norwegian people or whatever
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ethnicity that they have lodges, they have insurance programs for people from their communities
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and that's perfectly legal, but a, a white fraternal benefit society is not necessarily legal.
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So we went with something a little bit more general, which is a private, uh, association
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country clubs can be private associations, um, clubs that are involved in distributing raw
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Sometimes people will get around laws, um, prohibiting the sale of raw milk by having an association
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And then they distribute the milk to all the members instead of selling the milk because selling
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the milk is prohibited, but distributing it among owners, that's perfectly legal.
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Um, so the, the PMA is a very broad kind of quasi legal framework and there's specific language
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in the fair housing act that exempts private membership associations from some of the anti-discrimination
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policies that are there, um, in the legislation.
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So private associations are allowed to maintain real estate on behalf of their members, even
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if their membership is restricted to a particular protected class, you know, particular religious
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Um, and that's there in the letter of the law in the fair housing act.
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And then the LLC is just how we practically own the land.
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You have to have some legal entity that is the land holder.
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Um, and so we don't sell real estate, which is another way that we get around the fair
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We sell shares in our LLC that owns the land and manages the land and basically acts like
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a fairly hands-off HOA with the added benefit that we get to decide what kind of people come
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So it can be just a private neighborhood or a much more involved community with more kind
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of common infrastructure and we'd like to see it scale around the country.
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Other, um, groups in other countries even are emulating a similar, uh, framework.
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Irania is a share block corporation, sort of how we work, um, in the UK, the Woodlander
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initiative is using a very similar legal framework, even in Australia, you know, the, the guys with
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the National Socialist Network down there, um, they are exploring similar, uh, ways of holding
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So there are minor differences in different legal contexts, but we're kind of, we had a
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international, uh, intentional community conference a few months ago, and we're finding like one
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general approach that works in pretty much all Western countries to ensure that we can have
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homogenous communities. So, uh, I always try to give credit to Peter Siri, our secretary, who is
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the guy who really figured out this framework and it's not easy. And there are a lot of ways of
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getting it wrong. So our PMA is really specifically to enable people to form communities like this
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without, uh, you know, violating the law unintentionally.
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No, that's, that's awesome. And I'm wondering, I don't know based if you had anything else right now,
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but I was wondering if maybe Curtis can give us maybe the Canadian perspective, if you've explored
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something like this in Canada or the, oh yeah, big, big time, big time. Um, I've been kind of doing my
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own law practice as sort of a cowboy lawyer in my own way for almost 10 years, learning the law,
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understanding the difference between public and private. And I think I'd just like to add something,
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um, and I'll speak a little bit more to the Canadian context too, but just something to buttress,
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um, what Arvel has going on and the importance of this idea of being in the private.
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And, and, and it's, it's a, it's actually quite a broad subject, but you know, we, we exist in two
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worlds in, in, in the world that we live in. We exist in the public and we exist in the private.
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Uh, that, that can mean in a literal sense in that you can be in the public walking out on the street
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and people can see you, and then you can be in the private in your bedroom or in your home.
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Uh, but it also exists in a legal context and it's sort of the difference between lawful and legal.
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So if you can kind of imagine a, uh, a Bible on one side and then a Black's law dictionary on the
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other. And what we have is a dichotomy of existence that really comes down from God, the creator.
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And it, in the Western world that the Holy Bible, whether you're Christian or not,
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uh, it doesn't matter, um, is the word of God as it is embodied in the law, much in the same way
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that the Koran is in the, in the Middle East. And all of our laws are rooted in, in, in the Bible,
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but the Bible exists as a way for us to understand free will, I believe. And that's why it exists in
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the courts. And, and that's what I would call the private world. And in the public world over
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are standing on, um, Black's law dictionary. Oh, no, sorry. That's the private world that
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the God, the world of God, the world of creation is the private world, men and women on the land
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existing born of creation. That's the private world in the public world. We have Black's law
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dictionary, and that is the world of the matrix. That's the world of paper. It's the world of
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commercial, uh, entities. It's the world of money printing. It's the world of the legal fiction.
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It's the world of the all caps name. And these two worlds exist as fact, and it can never be taken
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away. And this is what's so powerful about the idea of, uh, PMAs and what guys like Arvel are doing
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is that you cannot fundamentally take away an individual's right to contract. It's actually
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baked into our, our entire existence. We always have the right to contract that can never be taken
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away. It can be propagandized away, but you always have a choice. And that's, that's what I believe
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that the Bible, um, represents in, in our Western society is the right of choice and the right to
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choose between public and private. And so, for example, you can take, you could, the government
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could kidnap you, could bound you to a chair, could duct tape your mouth closed, and it can ask you a
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question. Are you going to agree or are you going to not? And you can nod yes or nod no. Nobody can take
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away that right. We always have the right to contract. We always have the right to agree or not.
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And so the private is so powerful because once we start to realize what we are in the private,
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it's a world of responsibility. It's a world of, um, a lack of conveniences and privileges and
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benefits that the matrix that the public world has offered us. But it's a world that if we want
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to preserve our heritage and preserve who we are and just our ways of living, uh, I believe it's the only
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way. Uh, there's many other solutions on the way to that, but I think, um, what Arvel's presenting
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is, is exactly what needs to happen. And I'd like to go onto some other, um, aspects of it that I think
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are potential solutions for many of us, but this is ultimately it is that we have to decide if we're
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going to carry on in this world, we're going to have to do it in the private because if we do it in the
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public, we're playing their game, we're in their court, we're playing by their rules. And, and there,
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there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, you can have a bit of a mix and match, if you will,
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in the sense that Arvel's got a PMA and then underneath that he's got an LLC and that's the
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commercial entity of it. But the private members association is in the private and it's, it's decided
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upon by those people in that association. And so it exists in a superior law way to the public side.
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The public side is just the vehicle into the commercial world because we can't, we can't just
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make the commercial world go away. Like it is here. The matrix is a fact, whether you like it or not.
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And so one day, perhaps, you know, maybe that will be the, the second coming of Christ or something.
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I don't know, but one day perhaps we will transcend that matrix, but we're a long way from it.
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And so in, in the, in the interim, I think we need, um, solutions like this to where people
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need to go into the private. And that is the world of, um, responsibility. It's the world of work.
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It's the world of, um, of, uh, really stepping up because the matrix, the world, the public world is
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just going to be an endless stream of conveniences, privileges, and benefits. And they're going to
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find more and more ways to keep us locked into it. And so it is what Arvel's proposing and what
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we're talking about here tonight is, is a harder path. There's no question in my mind, it's a harder
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path, but it is the path. If you give a shit about your people and, and, and, and if you care about
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the future and, and, and I, I will say, you know, shout out to Steven who, who, who piped up earlier and
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kind of called me out for going on 1488 radio. I think there was more to that conversation than
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he might've understood as far as where I was coming from, but, um, I've seen it and, and really, um,
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I have to tell you traveling across the country in the last 12 months has really opened my eyes.
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I've been in a little bit of a bubble post COVID because my wife and I, and my, my children,
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we moved off grid into the mountains of Southern BC and yeah, I go on Twitter and I see what's going
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on, but it's really something to see it with your own eyes. And, and, and, and, you know,
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shout out for those guys for kind of, uh, sticking with me, if you will. Um, and bearing with me in my
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transition of understanding of how bad the situation is, but you really do have to see it to believe it.
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And if you travel to the metropolitan cities across the continent here, you will see it. And it's shocking.
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And, um, yeah, I mean, real quick on the Canadian context, I think everything that Arvel's proposing
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here, uh, and tonight we'll, we'll get into a bit more of the details of it. I'm sure, uh,
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is all doable up here in Canada. We might not use an LLC, but it just could be, uh, some kind of
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corporation and, uh, it could also be done with the trust, but, uh, PMAs are alive and well up in
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Canada. And, um, I think what I'll be proposing, maybe we'll get to this as the conversation morphs,
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but I also think there's a case to be made that, uh, we, as people on both sides of the border,
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not only need to start forming PMAs and balkamizing, but we also need to be taking over the,
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the regional rural local politics, uh, at the local level, the small municipalities,
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the rural municipalities, the counties, this is where we need to go. This is where the fight is
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next politically because we've lost it federally. There's no hope in my opinion for that. Um, not even
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provincially, but we need to get into the local politics where sometimes in Canada,
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there's nobody even running. Counselors get elected all the time. And especially in the
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rural municipalities, just, they just get signed in because only one guy ran. So I think there's
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a huge opportunity, uh, and some conversation to be had on that too, but I'll, I'll land it there.
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If I could just add a quick Canadian context to something that Arville said,
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the, um, restrictive covenants that ended in the sixties were made illegal. That also happened
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up here in Canada. We called them property conveyances. And it was, um, a push led by the
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association, the Toronto association for civil liberties, which was led by a Jewish man named
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Irving Himmel and also had, uh, you know, support from the Canadian Jewish Congress in B'nai B'rith,
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Canada to get rid of, um, discriminatory property conveyances. And that was brought about in the
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early, early to mid sixties around the same time that those same groups are pushing for the
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establishment of the Canadian human rights commission, the Ontario human rights commission,
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which all say that you can't discriminate against white people. So it's a interesting coincidence there.
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And, um, yeah, Curtis, you know, I, uh, I'm not one to pull the ladder up behind me. I understand,
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you know, different people come to, uh, various acceptances at different times. And so, you know,
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I've meant that with all respect and I'm just happy to see, um, you know, the shift in your rhetoric
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and, uh, yeah, just wanting to give you some kudos for that.
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So, um, uh, we've got Frank up here, Frank, was there something you wanted to, um, join in on
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before we shift the questions, uh, not right at the moment. It's been, been excellent so far.
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Uh, Arval, uh, of course you and I got introduced, I think about a year, year and a half ago,
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been watching your progress. Uh, very impressive. Curtis, you've got a very, very good delivery.
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Um, I'm just going to relax and, uh, listen to the conversation. And, um, when I need to pop up,
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I will. Thanks a lot for the mic. Before we move on, I would just add one thing,
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if it's all right, to support what Curtis and Steve were saying. There is a ton of case law
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supporting the right of private associations to discriminate like country clubs. You know,
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the, the PMA aspect of a country club, the free association aspect has always been held higher than the,
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kind of corporate world LLC aspect, because they will have an LLC or some kind of corporate
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structure that manages their, their actual assets. But the first amendment right of freedom of
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association in the U S and probably in other Western countries as well has always been upheld.
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Um, and I think that that's, that's very fortunate. I would also add that it's fortunate in a way that
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we're being pushed to consider how we organize more intentionally in the past with organic white
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communities. You know, we've had our successes and our failures. Um, but it's happened sort of by
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happenstance of geography and demographics and who's moving, where now we're faced with a new era
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in our identity, where the people who solidify it consciously and think about, you know, how we do
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things and what our values are, the people who think more carefully and consider more carefully how
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to move forward, they're going to be, be the people who have success. So in a way it will be the more
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difficult path, but I think the rewards actually are far greater than the way we were doing things
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before. Well, and the rewards are, are, are really our only way of survival. And, and, and even to add
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to that, Arval, um, I mean, private, as I was saying, you know, the private law goes back before statute
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law. I mean, it comes through ecclesiastical law, which was the original law of the church and, um,
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trusts and things like this. This is how things have always been done. So private is superior and,
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and, and, but as we kind of both said and agreed on is that it is a harder path. Uh, it requires
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more responsibility. It requires a new type of people to step up. And frankly, I think some,
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sometimes, you know, you can, you can get really bummed out about the way the world is, but at the
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same time, I kind of get stoked. I kind of get excited being like, you know what, this is a fucking
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challenge and it's the challenge of the time. And if we care about the future, uh, you know, for me,
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I have two young kids and I recently lost my wife and like, you know, my, my, I'm, I'm more hardcore
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and steadfast than ever because, you know, traveling across this country just makes me realize that we
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are in deep shit. And, and this, and this country particular is finished. Canada is finished. Like
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no matter what happens at the election, most likely conservatives or liberals are going to drive us
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into ruin and they're going to keep the floodgates of immigration. And, and, and fundamentally,
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we have to address why that is happening. I mean, there's a lot of, you know, some, some people
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have mentioned the Jewish individuals who seem to happen to end up in all of these institutions
00:31:23.480
that push these, these programs, but fundamentally, uh, it's even another Jewish program that goes
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beyond that. That is the root of the cause here, which is usury in the central bank system where,
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uh, the citizens of a country are used as leverage to borrow money into the future.
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And the debt is serviced by their labor through collected through income tax, but they've been
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appointed as trustees to a system that they have a fiduciary duty to, but have no control or no say
00:31:52.080
on the outcome. Whereas how a good society should look. And I'm not even opposed to the idea of a
00:31:58.200
central bank. If the citizens are the beneficiaries, I'm not even opposed. I used to be very libertarian,
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very, very anarchist. And, and I have to tell you, listening to many evenings of GQ radio,
00:32:08.960
Hitler speeches in English have blown my mind that a lot of these ideas that I thought I came to just
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on my own. Um, maybe I did, but found out that they had been reiterated, been iterated and reiterated
00:32:20.580
in history many times before. We're not the first people to have these discussions, but these ideas
00:32:26.240
that we can collectivize our labor and our power to, um, leverage, uh, infrastructure and, and building
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projects and things that we need. This is what we're going to have to do because this idea that
00:32:38.500
we can go back to a gold standard when the JQ pretty much have all of the gold and have all of
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the systems to gather it and mine it to think that we can just hope for a free market. And I'm, I'm all
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for Bitcoin and I'm all for a lot of free market solutions, but, uh, with the situation we're in
00:32:55.580
now, um, that's not going to get us there. And so I think the idea of collectivizing regionally
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is of the utmost importance because in even, and he even speaks against some of these platforms that
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we're using now, as much as, as great as they are. And I'm grateful that we're having these
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conversations. We've got a guy like Arvel telling us a bunch of, a bunch of Canadians about what he's got
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going down there in Arkansas. It's amazing. At the same time, uh, we need to be very aware that,
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that, uh, there is a great siloing happening right now. I believe that these platforms are,
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they're letting us in as like a honeypot operation so that they can silo us. And so the solution for
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that is to do what Arvel and I are doing is to get active in your community, build things,
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create things in the physical world, build the relationships there. Mostly use the platforms.
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It's great. They're connecting us and they should, but we need to come
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together in the real world and make things happen. Otherwise there's just not much of a
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future for, for any of us. You brought up an important point about the, uh, you know,
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the financial system and usury and all that stuff. And I wanted to, we can touch on it after. I don't
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know if base has something else lined up, but I know watching your video, Arvel, the, what is
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returned to the land? You kind of touched on how the finances would work as far as the community.
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Like I, I'm, and maybe I'm assuming wrong, so correct me please, but is they wouldn't necessarily
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rely on a bank to loan because they're built kind of building the house with their own hands?
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Well, we're trying to loan to each other as far as that's possible. Um, it's not a rent to own
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agreement. That's the law is very particular and I can't go calling things by any, you know,
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kind of, uh, firing from the hip names cause I could get in trouble, but it's similar in certain
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ways to a rent to own agreement. Um, so like upfront to buy land, there are going to be some
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people, a small number of people who have more resources. That's just always how things tend
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to work. Right. And those people can help people who are younger, who aren't as well established
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to get into land ownership, to get into the community by allowing them to purchase LLC shares
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month to month. And it's a very flexible arrangement. And I think we haven't even begun really to tap
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into the potential of it. Um, I was just today starting to really think about, you know, if you
00:35:19.040
already have land, we talked to a lot of people who already have acreage, the kind of people who are
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interested in returning to the land, go figure, a lot of them already have land and a lot of them want
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to form communities. They just don't have the network and they don't know exactly how to do it.
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Well, with this kind of LLC structure, if you already own the land and you have, you know,
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say 40 acres that you're not really using, you can subdivide that into 22 acre lots, um, that could
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be easily developed septic systems, wells. I mean, they'll fit there on two acre lots. And if you're
00:35:52.720
not using that land, all of a sudden you have the opportunity of generating revenue for yourself.
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You know, you have 40 acres, you can have 20 young white families doing a great thing, building
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community, and also have a way of building residual income for yourself, retirement income for
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yourself. This is a way to redistribute from, you know, the assets of the older generation to give
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opportunities to the younger generation while also taking care of our elders, how we should. So yeah,
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it's not, um, not rent to own, but there, there's a, a kind of like crowdsourced finance involved in
00:36:32.020
what we're doing. We have a lot more progress to, to make though, in having kind of official
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financial institutions. Irania has a bank, you know, an official bank that they use to, to issue,
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you know, more or less mortgages on their lots and their community. We're not there yet,
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but the general framework is larger investors can benefit, you know, younger people, people who
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aren't as well established, and also they can benefit in turn by collecting revenue from what
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would otherwise just be an asset that they held. Awesome. Just, uh, one quick thing. I put the video
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from Arbel's, um, Twitter or X page, return to, uh, the land. What is return to the land? I think
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everybody should watch it because it's really white pilling. If you're having a bad day or a black
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pilling day, it's very white pilling and it's extremely, I think, motivating. So anyways, I just
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want to tell everybody that. So go ahead base. Yeah. I kind of wanted to like ask Arbel, like
00:37:31.760
the principle of what you've doing from what I've gathered in what I've heard you say is that you
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want to make it, um, replicable. You want other people, like this is a template that can be used
00:37:43.640
like a stamp all over the country and internationally. What do you think like the principles are of what
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you're doing that would make it replicable? What are the replicable principles? If I can get that
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out. Thanks. Sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, the main, uh, idea is simply that we have the private
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association where we stipulate what are our criteria for membership. So obviously we're a European
00:38:10.560
heritage organization. You should have European ancestry. You also have to be very careful though,
00:38:17.600
even when you stipulate how you select members to go by the letter of the law. So we don't simply
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accept white people and that's it, right? It membership decisions are made on a case by case basis. And yet
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we're a European heritage association. So we want this to be replicable in that we have done our legal
00:38:39.140
research and we've paid several different lawyers and we've had many different volunteer lawyers look
00:38:44.380
at our documents to make sure that we're saying everything in the right way and going about it in
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the right way and using the right formulas for our legal documents. I mean, part of the community
00:38:54.820
is in physical space and that's the part that's easier to comprehend, but that physical space is
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organized by our contracts, you know, that stipulate who has access to what lots, what are lot holders
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allowed to do? What are they not allowed to do? And I mean, we have to think about a lot of the things
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that, um, civic engineers have to think about when they're doing town planning. We have to think about
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roads. We have to think about waterways. We have to think about drainage issues and it's not,
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it's not easy, frankly. So there's just a lot of careful thought that has to go into formulating
00:39:32.900
these documents in a way that protects the rights of lot holders and gives them as much freedom as
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they can have while also not opening up opportunities for abuse or neglect or things that are going to
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have, you know, negative externalities for other community members. So it's a really tough kind of
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tightrope to walk between over-regulation and, and not being, um, regulated at all. You know,
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we like laissez-faire in certain regards, but also we have to make sure that everyone is doing the legal
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thing so that the whole collective doesn't get in trouble. So, uh, the biggest part of like how to
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replicate this is having the legal details really nailed down. Um, and that's one of the main functions
00:40:18.600
of the PMA very soon. We'll be initiating a higher tier membership that does have a monthly fee
00:40:24.260
associated. Currently, we just have the initial, you know, uh, membership fee to sign up, uh, because
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we have to process it. And also it helps to show that you're a bona fide private association. If
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there's some process that people go through and they, you know, they pay into a real account and
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there's, you know, documents that are signed, we have a membership agreement that people sign.
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So, uh, but one, one day soon we'll have a recurring payment that will all go into
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a legal fund for research and mutual legal aid. We, we can't necessarily call it a legal insurance fund,
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but think of it as something in the ballpark of that so that if one of the communities is sued
00:41:08.600
for any reason, you know, related to discrimination, then the entire PMA, this whole network of
00:41:15.260
communities can come to their aid. Um, and then of course we all benefit by collectively researching
00:41:22.440
how to formulate our documents better so that we're more in alignment with existing case law
00:41:28.100
and more in alignment with constitutional law. And so that when, again, eventually one of these
00:41:33.960
communities is brought to court, we have the best possible defense and it's really a hazard,
00:41:40.100
you know, for all of us, if people go out there and try without doing all of this research,
00:41:46.180
just kind of winging it, um, to do things like this and they get taken to court. Well, if they lose in
00:41:52.720
court because of some other thing they did that was illegal, that they weren't even thinking about,
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then that hurts the case law because just by association, well, here's a case where they were sued for
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discrimination and they lost their case and the minutia of, well, they actually lost because they,
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they didn't dot this I and cross this T that's going to get lost. So we need to make sure that
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when this becomes an issue of, you know, it becomes a challenge in court that we have the strongest
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possible line of defense. And that's the main reason really for the PMA. And that's how we're trying
00:42:26.640
to make it a replicable model also with assistance in like, actually, how do you go about doing this?
00:42:34.640
How do you buy the land? How do you start the bank account? How do you start the LLC? Some of it you
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can learn for yourself, but the sum total of it is a body of knowledge that really you have to gain
00:42:46.300
some expertise in. And so for PMA affiliated communities, we kind of set the bar that some
00:42:52.360
of your, first of all, you have to have a board of managers. It can't just be one person doing
00:42:56.300
everything. You have to have a president, vice president, secretary, treasurer, like, you know,
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other corporations and entities have. And then, you know, that board has to be in contact with the
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PMA at large, and we have to communicate best practices and we have to have, you know, training
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seminars to make sure we're, we're doing this in a legal, fair, ethical way.
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It's so, it's so awesome the way that you guys are doing this brother. And the fact that you're
00:43:25.420
making this information available to others is key. I can tell you in my, the urban farmer days,
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when I was traveling around the world, making videos about farming, I visited intentional
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communities all over the United States. And it was an, it's been an obsession of mine for many,
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many years. Certainly the angle that I'm coming at it now is a lot different than it was then.
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Back then I was, I really believed in climate change. I thought we needed to live in intentional
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communities to, to fight the existential crisis of climate change, which is all a lie and bullshit
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and a globalist, you know, propaganda piece. But these communities always fall apart. Intentional
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communities always fall apart. And the ones that work the best are the religious ones. And the reason
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for that is that there is a common North star that everybody is proposing. What I love about what you
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guys are doing is that in, as far as I understand, you not necessarily, the religion isn't a big piece
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of it. You guys are kind of free to, to do whatever you like. The main structure is that you agree to what
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the terms of the private members association are. Am I correct on that, Arvel? You guys aren't
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necessarily exclusively any type of religious denomination? Uh, correct. Yeah. We don't let
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members do whatever they want, uh, religiously. Like we don't allow Satanists or even outright
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atheists, you know, agnostics. We were like, well, maybe, but, uh, our kind of ground is tradition. Yeah.
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No Islam. Exactly. Traditional European religion, which includes European paganism, as well as all
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forms of Christianity. And is there, I'm just curious, I don't want to open a can of worms, but
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are there provisions in there about Judaism? Yeah. Judaism is not a traditional European
00:45:15.660
religion. So that would not be a criteria. Right, right, right. Good. Good. So, so the thing that's so
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powerful about this is that we, we have an opportunity here as, as countrymen and both sides
00:45:28.660
of the, of the border here to come together on, uh, a common idea. And these guys are really
00:45:36.040
front loading a massive amount of the work because so many of these intentional communities fall
00:45:41.360
apart. Again, I was saying, if they're not religious, that the, all the hippie ones, they
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all fall apart because they don't have a clear organized structure. They don't have, um, shotgun
00:45:53.300
clauses, things like that, you know, clauses in a contract that says, well, if this happens, what is
00:45:57.720
what happens to this and this and this? Um, it sounds like these guys have all of that together.
00:46:02.220
And so this is, um, this is, this is probably in my opinion, uh, the most exciting thing in the
00:46:10.160
freedom movement right now. And it's, it's not going to get as much traction as the, um, political
00:46:17.200
movements do because that's what, that's the Hollywood story that everybody wants us to buy
00:46:22.020
into, right? Is that, you know, it's the William Wallace freedom and storming the Capitol and taken
00:46:27.880
over and all this bullshit. Um, what, what it sounds like Arville is doing is something that I've
00:46:34.020
said for a long time is that we need to just walk away from the King. It's not about trying to take
00:46:40.000
the King. It's not about trying to take the throne. It's about just politely saying we're going to do
00:46:45.200
our own thing. And, and the private members associations are so common. One that he didn't
00:46:50.140
mention that is very, very common is the Freemasons. Uh, I'm not a Mason. I don't endorse anything to do
00:46:57.620
with the Masons, but they are a private members association. And these people have all kinds of
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privileges and benefits in society in and amongst their members. For example, um, top judges are often
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Freemasons. Top police commissioners are often Freemasons. Top doctors, lawyers are often Freemasons.
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And so they're all in the same club. And as much as we can look at that and say, Hey, we don't like
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that. Cause I certainly don't. At the same time, we can say, Hey, they might be doing something that
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we could learn from if we want to have our own self-determination because, uh, it works and it's
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been around for a long time. Ah, amazing. Posty and air chatting in the background. We're so pumped
00:47:42.280
up. So again, we just want to put out there to those who are trying to come up, we're keeping
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it closed mic for now while these gentlemen, um, cook, they are making sourdough up here, something
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fierce. Um, I wanted to ask Arvel about, you know, I, I hear that, you know, he's so articulate
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and clearly, you know, well-studied, um, you've been doing your homework, you're a West coast
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boy. And so you speak in, in a, in a particular way, but I wanted to ask you about leadership
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and what do you think that the most important qualities are for a leader to take this on?
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And I did want you to dip into humility and leadership if you're open to that.
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Yeah. Um, I mean, honestly, I was not, uh, jumping at the bit to step into a leadership
00:48:34.780
role of this. Um, I've been focused on philosophy for the longest time and I was very pro community,
00:48:42.240
but what I wanted to do was to start a school teaching Plato. I really love classic, uh, Greek
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philosophy, Plato, Aristotle, the Neoplatonists. That's what I really cared about at a personal
00:48:54.460
level. And that's the kind of institution I wanted to start. Um, so that's the kind
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of leadership, you know, I had in mind and I was prepared for, but, uh, it really kind
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of snowballed, um, out of my hands very quickly. A lot of the guys who ended up being the co-founders
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of return to the land. Um, they came down to help me in building infrastructure for my school,
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because I put out a video, you know, saying what the intention was and how beneficial it could
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be for our people. And they, they agreed and they very generously, you know, gave of their time and,
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and came down and we had like a seminar on aircrete building, which is this, uh, kind of
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aerosolized concrete, uh, material that it ended up not being that useful. Um, I probably wouldn't
00:49:46.260
build with it again, but it was like a neat novel, you know, technology that we all got to learn
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about. Anywho. So that went for a week. And while everyone was down here, we went around the area
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and saw, uh, just a lot of land that was for sale and the prices of that land and the feasibility of
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doing something at a much larger scale became apparent. You know, some of us had resources,
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some of us like Peter, a Siri, especially had the know-how, you know, I already had an established
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network of people that I had been talking with about these ideas online. So just all the right
00:50:21.480
people kind of came together at the right time. And, uh, so that kind of is that humility point.
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Like I didn't stick to what I thought we needed. I was willing to compromise and say, Hey, whoever is
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showing up, whoever like is willing to put their heart into this, I have to respect where you're coming
00:50:40.800
from first. You know, it's not like my preconceived idea has to be it. Like I had no conception of a
00:50:48.300
PMA LLC combo legal framework. Like, like many people, I wanted to keep things informal. So I didn't
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have to deal with all that. Like my school was going to be an informal institution, but, um, really
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I was just thinking small, like Peter thought of things at a level that I hadn't thought of. And I recognized
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that instead of kind of retreating into like, no, it has to be my way. I just said, Hey, I recognize
00:51:12.660
a good idea when I see it. So I think one of the key features of a good leader is recognizing the
00:51:18.980
talent in the people that show up, appreciating that talent and just, you know, letting them know that
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they're as much a part of it as you are. And I try to emphasize that. Um, but, but really like,
00:51:33.480
I'm not as hands-on in a leadership role as, as, uh, I guess I could be, I could be a much better
00:51:41.860
leader. Other things though, it's, it's really just, you have to be sensitive to the personalities
00:51:46.700
involved and really truly want to know where they're coming from. So I'd say empathy, appreciating
00:51:53.300
other perspectives. Um, and the things that I've not been as good with is setting clear directives
00:52:00.180
and setting a good example. So I've, I've noticed that when I like, for instance, say we should
00:52:05.800
have a volunteer day, we should all get out. We should get this front fence built. You know,
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we've been procrastinating on it for months. And when I show up and I say like here at this time in
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this place, the rest of them show up, you know, because that's just kind of, yeah, that's how,
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that's how it goes. And, uh, I need to amp that up and rec just kind of recognize you're
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going to get from the people that follow you, what you put into it. And if you slack and say
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that they're not doing enough, it's because really you're not doing enough and you have
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to take accountability, but really the same goes kind of from a follower standpoint. I think
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just in life, like if you're not getting what you want out of a relationship, it's easy to
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blame the other person and say that I'm the one that's in the right and they're in the wrong.
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It's, it's harder to recognize what you did to precipitate whatever unfortunate circumstance
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you're in. And, uh, and I think that's where the greater reward lies.
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But you just described humility, really, when you think about it, it being, having that humility and
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being humble enough to admit that you're sometimes wrong, right? And maybe it is your fault sometimes,
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right? It's, it's so key. Um, you know, so much of the resistance and freedom movement gets bogged
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down in trying to be right. Um, and, and sort of a dichotomy of thought that I, I like to propose
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is, um, it's, it's better to, it's better to win than to be right. So to be right is to stand there
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and try to prove a point, uh, to a greater whole. Um, but it comes at great cost. And so often I say it's a,
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it's another dichotomy of justice versus equity in that, um, do you want justice? That's to be
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right, to stand there, to prove to the system, you know, fuck Trudeau, all, you know, all this stuff,
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or do you want to just win? And to win is to get to the heart of the issue is to settle the matter
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and to take your shit and walk away. And I think that's really what I'm hearing Arville talk about
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is that this is winning, but it's not about being right. Cause to be right is to try to win
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for everybody. And that's a, that's a, that's a losing game. This, this idea that we can sort of
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convince everybody in the world that our viewpoints are really the one, the right ones. And I mean,
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that's a, this is as long as history, history as we know, it has been an endless struggle of that,
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but to win is to just say, let's, let's set some reasonable goals. Let's, let's, let's take action
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and let's try to win for one another and let's, let's, let's collaborate. Let's come together.
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And, and, and what he's talking about in terms of leadership or exactly that a good leader is the
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one that is the first in the pit to go and dig the shit out and, and then show the people who want to
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help that he's willing to do the hardest job. And, and that's key at the same time. Um, there is a
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tendency in society today where people just kind of want to mail it in. And I think that's a result
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of the, you know, the conveniences of the system that we have and people have been kind of sitting
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on the sideline for a long time, but the time has come where if, you know, if you want to have a
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future, um, you're going to have to throw your hat in there and get, and get dirty.
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They really pushed over during the COVID times, right? They really pushed it hard for people to
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stay in their homes and not be out there. Right. And stuff like that. So we already became a
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very dependent society because of, you know, the technology and stuff like that, but they pushed
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it even harder during COVID. So it's really bad now. Oh, it's, it's horrible now. And it's,
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it's partly what makes me, I had the term for a long time, apocalyptically optimistic in the sense that,
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um, COVID, but also the series of events that came prior and after, um, that the technology that
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was set up and, and just, you know, how during COVID, uh, we just normalized the destruction of
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small businesses. We normalized Amazon, you know, who doesn't buy stuff on Amazon, you know,
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the conveniences that we have, uh, have really, really immobilized people, but also even on the
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truth or side of things, you know, so many people have been so blackpilled for so long that they just
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feel absolutely hopeless. I can't tell you how many years I've been hearing, um, oh, Curtis,
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you know, they're going to come for you anyways. It's just, you're Ruby Ridge, you know, there's
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no point of trying. And it's just like, fuck you, man. That's, that, that's the life you want to live
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is just throw the towel in now and just give up. And so I, I see tremendous hope, but I, but I don't
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care about being right. I just care about winning for mine and my own. And perhaps my greater,
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greater community. And I think that's what these guys are doing. And, and it's really inspiring.
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I think, you know, people should be taking notes on, on, on the contracts that they're using.
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And, um, I think really to another thing Arvel said that really kind of got my mind going
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is because I've often thought about, you know, how do we take care of the sick? Really? I mean,
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I'm not a socialist. Um, at the same time, I recognize that collectivization should be used
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in a perfect, in a perfect case to help others that can't help themselves. So how do we do that
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on a community level and say a balkanization way? Well, one way to do it is Arvel was kind of already
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alluding to how they have a fund where an elite membership where you can pay into,
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and then other communities that do the same thing around can also be part of that so that
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you can, we can fund something that goes wrong in a legal sense, but we could also do the same in a
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medical sense in the sense that you could essentially create another PMA layer. And maybe
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they've already done something like this. I'm curious what his thoughts would be on this idea,
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but you create another type of PMA. That's essentially a medical plan where people just
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pay into, and there's a trust, uh, that holds the money and there's a board of directors that manages
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the money. And, you know, anytime one of our brothers and sisters, um, gets injured or, um,
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incapacitated to the point that they can't afford it or take care of themselves,
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that's what we do. We, we, we put that money towards that, that, that person and we help them.
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And this is not, none of these ideas are new, really. They're, they're, they're not even exclusive
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to, uh, communities of certain ethnicities doing it. It's just this for white people because it's
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been so faux pas for so long to even talk about this. And so I'm kind of curious what you think
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about that brother, uh, Arvel, like as far as cooperating in a way like that to help each other
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with our medical bills and such. Yeah, I think it's a great idea and we have discussed it. It's
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just a matter of what we are able to do in our current state. A lot of it is just like waiting
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on the technical apparatus, you know, for our website to be able to track all the membership
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details, uh, adequately to set up something like that. There's a lot of infrastructure involved
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in something like the idea is, is excellent. And we do intend to implement something like that.
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Fraternal benefit societies actually usually have some kind of insurance fund built into them.
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And it's a great idea financially, even if you're not an identitarian, um, like to be in a medical
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insurance pool with people that have demonstrated some level of effort to even make that step to get
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into an association, you know, cause in the general economy with Medicaid, Medicare, I mean,
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we're paying to subsidize the health of people who aren't taking care of themselves at all,
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who have no agency whatsoever. So even having the, the lowest possible barrier to entry to joining an
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association, you're going to get people who on average are far healthier, you know? And so just
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naturally, if you're only paying for people who are a little bit healthier than the general population,
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well, then your insurance is going to be less expensive than the general population. Um, it's
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totally legal. It's totally doable. It's just a matter of, uh, actually being able to manage
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something like that. And to what you said about, um, I guess the effort required and sort of our sloth,
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I would say that's the, the really core vice of Western civilization. It's a lack of loyalty to each
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other. And it's sloth, unfortunately. Um, you know, it's, it's something that it's very hard to
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overcome on a personal level because part of, I think what feeds into that is that we're doing this
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on a recreational basis. Like we're talking about what we really care about after work, you know,
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after we've relaxed for the day and we're letting our mind go and we, it's fun to kick around ideas and
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talk about how much better things could be after you've just put in a 10 hour shift, you know, but
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it's, you, you need to also make that talk of the world that we could have be real productive work
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time. And that means having real hierarchies where you're accountable to other people. Um, I mean, we
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like spending our, our free time, however we want and sacrificing that freedom and organizing in a larger
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system. It's raining real heavy. I don't know if you can hear that. Um, it, that requires humility
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as well, um, to overcome that sloth and just recognize the, uh, the necessity. Is it real loud?
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Let me know. Cause it's, it's real loud. It's tolerable. It's raining heavy. Yeah. You can kind of hear it,
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but it's fine. I love it. Yeah. That's, that's our, that's the Arkansas. It adds a bit of an
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ambiance to the discussion. Totally. It's one of those apps. Yeah. On your phone, you have to
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listen to the rainfall. We're getting it through Arbel's phone. Um, sorry, you were talking about
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hierarchies and being accountable. Arbel, I didn't know if you wanted to finish that thought.
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Yeah. If the rain lets me, um, so yeah, I mean, we, in order to, uh, organize effectively,
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you have to delegate leadership and decide on things that you might not yourself personally
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agree. This is the, I think the main reason that leftist communes or central communities fall apart
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is they, they think they can do everything on the basis of consensus and you can't, you know,
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someone has to be in charge. You should be able to replace the person in charge by either democratic
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mechanisms or meritocratic mechanisms. You know, if you want to set some kind of standardized tests,
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uh, that leaders have to pass in order to get into leadership, I think that's fine. The military
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is sort of like that. And until very recently, the military was one of the most effective hierarchical
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institutions in the world. You know, the U S military, I was in the army and I, you know,
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I learned that respect for the chain of command. Even if you didn't have personal respect for the
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person that you were following, you recognize that for the institution to function for us to win.
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And that victory is what matters. You just have to, you know, have someone be the appointment,
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have someone be calling the shots and then everyone else has to get behind it now. But we do this on our
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off time. And yeah, we're, we're not the most like agreeable bunch. The fact that we came to radical
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views means that all of us on average are a little bit less agreeable within the general population.
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So we have this group of like relatively disagreeable, highly intelligent, opinionated people
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that are all talking on their off time during the recreational hours. It's just not setting us up for
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the productive, really focused, effortful kind of action that we really need. But that's why we have
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to move beyond social media space, which is recreational and disorganized into institutional
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space, which means joining orgs that have very clear directives and clear hierarchies.
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That dude, that's, that's so awesome. I got a question for you in terms of sort of a shotgun clause,
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if you will, I'm just kind of curious, what a scenario would look like in like this in your
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organization, I'm sure you have an answer for it. But let's say somebody comes into the PMA,
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and they, you know, spend $100,000 building a house, and they put the infrastructure in and all
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that. What happens if there is some kind of disagreement, where that person has to leave,
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and they basically want to sell their shares? How does that get handled? And what's the sort of
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the procedure on where that starts and where it goes?
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Yes, we do have procedures in place, if that were to rise. Luckily, it hasn't come up yet.
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But effectively, we would hire an assessor, an outside assessor, just like you would have an assessor
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come in and evaluate the value of your personal property, your real estate, we would do the same,
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evaluate the improvements on the lot, evaluate the value of the land as if it was an independent
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parcel. And then we are collectively on the hook of coming up with that amount of money, or more.
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So at first, I mean, they have the right to simply offer their share for sale in the PMA generally,
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of course, only PMA members can buy it. But if for whatever reason, no PMA member wanted to buy
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that share, then the LLC would be on the hook to pay fair market value. We thought that was the
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fairest way to handle it. And also the best way to kind of dissuade that fear that some might have
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that they're going to invest everything in this project and then not get it back. And we don't want
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that fear to be grounded. So that's, that's the way we've decided to handle it. And you know,
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you might wonder, well, what if the LLC doesn't have the resources, and we have processes in place
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in that contingency as well, where we would be allowed to pay back monthly over a certain period
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of time, a reasonable period of time, not like a 300 year period to pay back the value of that lot,
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but, you know, in a matter of a matter of a few years, at most. So that's what we thought of,
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but we're always open to feedback as, as far as, you know, what, what better kind of practices can
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we have in place. And that's why we have a lot of meetings, a lot of discussions about all this
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Yeah, it's, it's, it's interesting, because it's certainly something that, you know, if somebody's
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going to invest, they would want to think about that. However, I think there's got, there's got
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to be a certain amount of understood risks associated with this kind of thing that, because
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it could, it wouldn't be fair, you know, if I think about just kind of the adjudication of this,
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you know, some guy all of a sudden, maybe something really terrible happens in his life,
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and he has to leave. But then the association just doesn't have the cash to put up. I mean,
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there's got to be some level of understanding on both sides that, hey, like, we're sorry that
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this happened to you. And we're sorry that you have to leave, but we can't go bankrupt to buy you
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out. So there's going to have to be some kind of for level of forgiveness that it'll have to sit for
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a while until the funds can be come up with or something like that. Right. And it sounds like
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you've got something like that kind of in place.
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And also, it's important that we don't promise to pay everyone back if they volunteer,
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voluntarily decide to leave. If circumstances arise, and people just have to leave the community,
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like we're not on the hook in that case, because that's your free will decision. And if no one wants
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to buy your parcel, and you put it up for sale, like, that's sort of on you. That's like any other
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real estate transaction. But if we specifically kick you out, because you violated our policies,
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then we're on the hook. And we thought that was the fair way to go.
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Right, that makes sense. Another question I have for you regarding the specifics of
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what you guys define as, and I've actually heard you talk about this a little bit, but I think it
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just might be interesting for people in the space to hear it, is what are your criteria as far as
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ethnic origins and the details of that as far as your guys' community? And I'll just sort of
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preface that, you know, I recognize that these ideas, and I put this out to people to say, like,
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don't get hung up. If Arval has ideas that you don't agree with, then take the best and leave
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the rest, you know? Just because they're doing it one way doesn't mean you have to do it that way.
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But I'm just kind of curious, like, what is that for you as far as is like ethnic heritage?
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Is it like, what's your definition of white? What does that include? I know you said like the
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European stock and all that, does that include people from Spain, Portugal, Italy? Like, what is
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Yeah, as we've self defined in our founding documents, we are a European heritage association.
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So people from Turkey would be out, people from Spain would be in, you know, even southern Italians.
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I guess the exception would be if you're from that part of the world, but you have substantial
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ancestry from another part of the world, then it would be arguable whether you meet those conditions.
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So we're, we're a European heritage association. Um, but also like we, we are an American,
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we're based in America. And so the white American identity is sort of the core and we recognize that.
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Did we lose them? Uh, maybe. Oh yeah. The G tech got them. Yeah.
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Arvel, Arvel, you might have to cycle out. Cause you know, the, um, the grid's going down, the grid's going down. Yeah.
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Yeah. We'll bring, we'll bring you right back. Um, Oh, Curtis, you know, Postine are thinking that you guys, um, sound so great together.
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It's like, wow, I think we're creating our own North American agreement. Like forget Greenland and, you know, Trump and stuff like this.
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Oh, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. I'll tell you what, um, I have been, my mind is, I'm just a busy mind.
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And ever since I got back from, uh, Calgary, my mind has just been going crazy. I drove down there.
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So, you know, when you're driving, you got time to think of, I'm going to come out with some stuff soon.
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I don't want to make any announcements yet, but I've got some pretty big plans that I want to lay down for people.
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Cause I, I, I, I see some, I've always been a solutions orientated guy.
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And I guess you could say I'm an eternal optimist, but I, but I do see some serious, uh, solutions.
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I kind of laid down some of them in the last space that I did myself.
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I kind of laid out three things, but, um, I think, uh, yeah, I, you know, I get excited about this too,
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because I actually frankly want to have more reasons to join up with American, uh, people.
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I've always, I've done business in the U S for 10 years and I've always liked Americans.
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I rode my bike from Kelowna to Tijuana once it took me two and a half months.
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And I, at that time I was still a bit of a liberal leftist.
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And I always kind of believed the propaganda to some degree, not, not so much, but I was just so
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pleasantly surprised on how generous and overall good people are in America.
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And Canadians share the same overall. Uh, the thing that I like about Americans is that,
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you know, Canadians are, are polite and maybe a little bit shy. Um, Americans are not so polite,
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but they're very outgoingly, uh, generous in general. Of course, it varies from place to place
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as it would here in Canada. But I've always found reasons that, that we need to join up with our,
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with our brothers and sisters down there just because per capita, there are so many more freedom
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fighters and truthers and just proper right wingers in the U S than there are in Canada. And, you know,
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I, I, whether Canadians have a constitutional convention, which I doubt is going to happen,
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but I've, I've got some ideas on how we could make that happen. Um, or we joined the United States.
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I think overall, we're going to be better off with creating partnerships, cross border with
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Americans doing this, doing similar things because we're all in this together. These,
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these immigrants are being pumped into all of our cities. It's not just Canadian cities. It's not
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just American cities. It's entire, it's the entire continent. Um, yeah, you need to come down and visit
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us for an event. And then when you get, get going with your plans, we need to come up and visit you and
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do some kind of work party. Absolutely brother. And I mean, I'll even extend to you. Um, if you
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want to cut me, my, I'm pretty proud of my homestead. It's been four years doing this and it's, you know,
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accumulation of the things that I've learned in the previous 10 years with my farming. But if you ever
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want to come up here with your wife and kids, I've got a guest house. You're more than welcome to come
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up for a weekend or a week, even check things out. I'll give you a full tour of all the systems,
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the off-grid systems, the gardening systems, the water systems, the fencing systems, you name it.
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Everything. Uh, I w I would be more than, um, willing to help you guys pro bono as much as
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humanly possible. Cause I believe in what you're doing and I, and I want to take elements of what
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you're doing down there and do them up here more on the community side of things. I think I
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definitely probably have more in terms of like the physical infrastructure and stuff like that.
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Cause that's been my forte for many, many years, but what you guys are doing, uh, with the PMA
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and your structure is absolutely inspiring. Yeah. And we'd love to learn from those homesteading
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skills. I mean, some of us are into permaculture and have some background. Uh, yeah, I had my own
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land before some of us had our own lands and our own agricultural operations going. Uh, but absolutely,
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if you could come down and teach some kind of seminar on what you've learned homesteading,
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that'd be so valuable. And, and likewise, if we can help, you know, get more communities, uh,
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organized in Canada, absolutely. Well, so. Right on.
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Frig posty. I'm like, bringing the world together for white people.
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Uh, so like, you know, and it's interesting. I, I, I don't know Arvel, but I wonder, you know,
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sometimes as he, he grew up like a philosophy major in California, he's kind of a disagreeable
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army guy and probably didn't see that this is what he would be doing right now in 2025. Um,
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you know, it's amazing how like all of these different sides of you come together so that in
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this scenario, you need all of those traits and it totally works. Um, Arvel, I'm wondering like
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about some, some particular things, like as far as the rules within, um, within your community,
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where are you guys at with alcohol and where are you guys at with drugs?
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Well, we don't allow drug use. Um, I think the language is open drug use. If people are functional
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and it's not known to the rest of the community, we don't want to be searching people's houses,
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you know? So, um, as far as alcohol, there is some alcohol consumption at events. Uh, sometimes it
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has gotten a little bit too far and we try to self-regulate that and, and, you know, walk it
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back. Um, I try to keep my alcohol consumption at a minimum. And I think, you know, that should
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be the general policy. Um, but it is an ancestral part of how communities have gotten together and
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formed strong bonds. And there's, you know, something to be said for not really knowing
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someone until you've kind of known them in both states of mind, both sober and a little bit
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intoxicated. Um, but yeah, in the past we had rituals around that and there were rules and there
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was an etiquette to drinking. Um, and now, you know, you can buy as much alcohol, as much hard
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liquor as you want and, and really just go way too far with it. And so I think our, our guiding
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principle is simply when it becomes visible, when it becomes something that affects other community
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members, then we step in and the first step would be a warning. And then beyond that, eventually it
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would move to, you know, you're no longer a good fit for the community.
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Well, and I kind of liked that idea because then it's, it's encouraging people, you know,
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self-regulation, like not having to have a daddy state or mom, you know, nanny state looking over
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your behavior, like as a proud, you know, white man or woman, you should, you know, know better than
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to, to let it get out of hand. So I kind of appreciate that because, you know, over-regulation
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you're, then you might as well be living in the world we are now with our current governments.
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Yeah. It's Sharia law. Like, you know what I mean? Like people should learn to be, you know,
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whining. Well, and that's how we got all these ridiculous laws, like about how you can't do
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this and you can't do that all because people, you know, don't manage themselves and we don't let
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the, how do you put it? Natural selection take its course. You know what I mean?
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The law has to be written in people's hearts. That is where the majority of obeisance of the law
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comes from. It's habituation and how people are raised. And we have to focus on culture and values
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and the law, the explicit written law is only this very kind of subsidiary after the fact
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thing to correct where the, the more basic and foundational aspects of law go wrong.
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I also wanted to ask, okay, so drugs and alcohol got it now, like in regards to mental health,
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because I do think that a lot of us find ourselves, you know, like years ago, you would
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never found me in these circles. And yet five years later, here I am. And it did kind of start
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with COVID and I've been pushed further and further to the right into nationalist circles,
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the more I become aware of. And I think that sometimes it really has an effect on people's
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mental health, kind of knowing too much. And so how do you screen or vet for, you know,
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mental health, is this just somebody who wants to be a free man on the land versus somebody who's
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not going to be able to, you know, function because they're a little bit too out there?
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We're gaining experience in that as we go on, you know, we talk to a lot of applicants, we have
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interviews with them and we look at their writing, you know, you have to submit a written application.
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So we have some basic idea of who this person is and how they think. And then we have an interview
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with them. And, you know, we can admit people to the PMA. That doesn't necessarily mean that they
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will become eligible to buy into the land itself, you know, either community one or any future
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community in order to actually come down here and live with us. You know, you have to visit first,
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obviously. And there have been cases where people have come down and we've really seen their
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personality and recognize that, you know, this isn't going to be a good fit.
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Um, so we're beginning to see the signs earlier and earlier, you know, there've been some people
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lately who we ended up rejecting at the PMA level who in the past, probably we would have allowed to
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actually come down here and we would have found out the hard way, so to speak. Um, it, a lot of it
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is simply how you talk, how self-aware you seem. Probably self-awareness is like the number one
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feature that you should be looking for, uh, for sanity. If someone just has like delusional
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self-conceptions, they're going to be deluded about a lot of other things and probably problematic
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for others. That's so key. Um, I'll tell you as, um, in my, in my earlier days of, um, touring around
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the world, promoting my book, um, back then I got to work with a lot of these different societies and
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foundations. And, um, uh, what, what Arvel just said is so key is this, the lack of self-awareness
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that a lot of people have. And the, the, the problem that you can get into is you, you get
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together with some people and you sit around and you, you get excited about some ideas and you say,
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let's do this thing. And, and you do the thing without really vetting each other. And, and then you
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get into this, you know, you get into money, you get into time and equity. And then the, the little
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personality quirks bubble to the surface and you find out that, oh my goodness, what did we get
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into with this guy or this girl? And it becomes this social drama, uh, little tidbit I can give
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as a piece of advice that I've seen work many, many times, uh, for the, for the people in the space
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here is if you want to find out if a group that you've, you know, connected with has what it takes
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and you want to figure out who's who in the group, try to set up a situation like the show survival as
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best as you can. And so what you do is go on a one week camping trip. So if you got say 10, 20 people
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that you really want to, you're jiving with and you're like, these ideas are great. Let's do this.
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Go on a one week camping trip with these people and then, and then see how, how people turn when,
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you know, like Arville said, maybe after a couple of drinks, um, or also a really rainy night when
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people can't get into their tent, they can't get their tent set up quick enough. And the proverbial
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shit hits the fan. You want to see how people act and react and operate under pressure when times
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aren't good. And when there's a little bit, and when there's a little bit of tension, you want to
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kind of see how people sort themselves out. And the, you know, the, the, the old TV show, I don't know
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if it's still on, but that show survivor, uh, is, is a great example of that just in that social
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dynamics and hierarchies really come out when times get tough. And, and that's an inevitability.
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If you're going to get into any type of partnership agreement with people I've, I've told, uh, consulting
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clients of mine for years, especially when I was setting up farms, um, to do that, you know,
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you're going to start a farm. Maybe it's two couples that want to start a farm together,
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go on a one week camping trip together and really, and do something fairly ambitious. Like maybe that
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camping trip involves a hike in and it really involves some work because you want to see how people
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act when they got to pull their weight, you know, like imagine, imagine going on a camping
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trip with people and everybody's got to carry a certain amount of gear. Okay. So it's a two hour
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hike in uphill. What do some people start doing when they can't carry all their gear? What, what
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happens? Do they, are they throwing it all on their husband or vice versa? Or, you know, what happens
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to people under pressure? Because if you, if you can try to expose those little idiosyncrasies,
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and people's personality early in the game, you can save yourself a world of hurt when you've got
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a lot of skin in the game and there's a lot at stake. And now you're realizing, oh my goodness,
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this guy, we need to get him out of here. So if you can figure that out earlier on, all the better.
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Yeah. I think the true test of someone's character is a crisis, right? Of how they react to in a crisis
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or an emergency. That's amazing advice and so good to hear. And really, I hadn't thought about
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it as explicitly as that, but it is what we ended up doing because how the founders got together was
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like a week long camping work party activity. And then we have events that go for a week and people
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camp here and we have work parties during the events. So the context where we're meeting people
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and getting to know them is trying to get something done, something difficult, something physical.
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So I totally agree. Thanks for the clarity on that. I really hadn't thought about it like that.
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And I would even add, because another thing that I've seen just over the years working with different
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groups is that there's nothing wrong with sorting the men and the women. Like in the sense that you,
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just because we're all, men and women are very different. I mean, everybody in the space gets that,
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I'm sure. Because the roles of men and women are generally speaking going to fall within
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the lines that we all understood, understand in a traditional way. So, you know, if it's say a two
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week camping or a one week camping trip, maybe the guys just go on one and then maybe the girls do
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another thing. Like the wives do another thing. The husbands do one thing. Maybe you do one thing
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all together. But, you know, sometimes you have to accept that there's going to be within the,
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you know, the nuanced context of human relationships. When it comes to couples,
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sometimes the couple dynamics don't really need to dictate the outcome of the group. That if you sort
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the men and the women and then see how they perform, you'll probably find that there's a lot
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more cohesion that way. That's just at least what I've seen. Of course, you know, I'm not laying this
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down as a steadfast rule. Do what you want. Like I said, take the best, leave the rest. But I find
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that in general is a better way to approach it too, is kind of sort the sexes and then see how people
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operate. Yeah. You're reminding me, my son showed me a survivor video because they don't watch
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survivor anymore. But I think they set the men and women off into camps to survive for a week.
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And the guys were like killing alligators and building fires and they were eating like kings
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and the women were starving and they were getting like pneumonia and then they couldn't get a fire
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going. They were like dehydrated messes. So, you know, maybe not sending them both off into gendered
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camping trips because it's not necessarily the best result.
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Well, that's exactly it. And there might be a better way to do it in the sense that
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there could be, you know, because like what I've observed and just working with, you know,
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and learning about intentional communities all these years is that, you know, women and men,
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generally speaking, sort themselves out accordingly. Like you'll notice this if you have a party,
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you know, you've got like a bunch of friends over. It doesn't take long for the women to kind of go
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on their side and the men are on their side. That's just kind of how we organize ourselves.
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And so there could be an appropriate activity that might be better for the women to do than the men.
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Right. And so, you know, a real rustic camping trip, that's most guys are into that kind of thing.
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And so certainly some women are too. And if you can do it as a group, that's fine. But there's all
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kinds of other things that women can do together that will bring out the personality characteristics
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that you want to see in strong female leadership in a community. Because one of the things that women
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are really good at in community is, is sitting together and doing, doing activities that are
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somewhat tedious. Like women are just better at using their, their fingers and hands. Men are more
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just like, you know, brute force moving things, moving objects, carpentry, building, shoveling,
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et cetera. Women are good at sorting and, and, and organizing things. And so sometimes I think
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exactly, exactly. And so if you can facilitate things like that to happen, and maybe an idea for
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people like who are trying to figure out how they move forward with ideas like this is you just,
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you know, on Arvel's land, they could basically facilitate things like that community building
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projects or, or, or some kind of stuff that men and women can do where you can kind of see who's
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who. I'll tell you, one of the best ways to find out, uh, what people are made of is bring them to a,
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uh, an animal butchering. So, you know, if you've never done meat birds, bring people in to, to process
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birds. And that's a real quick way to find out who's got a stomach, um, for things and who's willing
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to get their hands dirty because, and the, and even the neat thing about that process itself is
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it also sorts itself out fairly well. I find generally speaking, the men will be able to do
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the brutal things. Uh, and that's the stuff I usually do is I'll go round up the birds.
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I'll chop their heads off. I'll throw them in the boiler and then I'll get them in the chicken
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plucker. And then the women are handling the s'more, the smaller stuff, like gutting them and,
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and, and, you know, cutting the pieces out and stuff. It's a great community activity.
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That, you know, most people on homesteads are going to do at some point. And it's a,
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it's a really good way to just kind of see where people land.
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Yeah, we, uh, slaughtered a goat at one of our recent events as well. And I agree totally that
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like female leadership is different and it's extremely important to get a community functioning
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properly. So all of the meals for our events, that's almost exclusively organized by the women
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and they have their own meetings and they discuss and they have their own kind of hierarchy that they
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form. And I mean, the same goes for childcare as well. Um, men have a certain domain of responsibility
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and they have to have their own hierarchy in that domain. And, um, you have to encourage and celebrate
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female leadership as well. You know, it's not like being conservative means women should be submissive
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in all contexts. No, when you have a traditional community, there are things that the women have
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to organize to do, and you need female leaders to do that well. So that's a, that's a skill to
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cultivate and a character trait that you should be looking for. A hundred percent. Yeah. It's a
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competence, right? That we need amongst us women. Yes. And I think, you know, one thing women do very
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well, uh, is organizing social events, organizing, uh, parties, gatherings, things like that. Uh,
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I've often found, you know, when we've done stuff like that up at our place, I just let the women
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pretty much take care of all of that and everything goes great. And so, yeah, it is about in my, from,
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for me, it really is about being honest about what those, those, uh, strong characteristics are in,
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in the sexes and, and encouraging them to flourish. Um, and yeah, it's, yeah, don't really have much to
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say, but it's just one more thing to add on to what you were saying, Curtis, starting putting people
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in extreme situations. Uh, another more subtle, uh, one is, is a bit of a character test. And I used to
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tell my friends who were dating people online, go into that online dating thing, because it's such a mess,
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but to do a bit of a character test. Face, you're roboting a bit. Am I? Face? Yeah. Some of your
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words we can't, uh, pick up. Oh, okay. Well, okay. Let me move. Let me see if it makes a difference.
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You're better now. You're good. Better now? Yeah, much better. So repeat what you were saying.
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So, sorry. So people in the online world who are dating and it's a character test and you kind of
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just subject somebody to disappointment, you know, it doesn't have to be devastating and life altering,
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but you just disappoint them a bit and see what happens. And people with poor character react
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terribly. And you kind of see right away, um, how they're going to be when faced with,
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you know, stress. And so that's another, another form of testing people, I suppose.
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Hey ladies, how, how much longer do you guys want to run this space? I just asked,
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cause I might have to duck out at some point soon. Do you, do you, do you guys want to do some
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questions with others or what, what are you thinking? Yeah, for sure. Like 30 more minutes.
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Yeah. Well, if we can push it, I'm down for 30. Is that good for you? Oh, it looks like he dropped
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down to listener there. Yeah. That'll work. I think I'm still, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There you are.
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Sounds good. I guess I just, before we move to. So the boys have opened the floor and we'll just,
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we'll start accepting requests and Posty, you go ahead. Well, the requests are coming up if there's any.
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I just wanted to, and this may be more of a philosophical or I don't know, uh, kind of
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question, but like, what do you envision and maybe like five years, uh, Arville for the return to the
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land? Like, do you envision maybe it being in more, uh, states, different states and having more
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communities? Yeah. More states, more communities, more types of properties as well. More urban facilities,
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more lodges. I think, uh, we'd like to move towards a lodge and community model where there are event
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venues, there are places to gather, and then there are the communities. Um, you know, you can have
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events in communities, but I think it'd be nice to specialize a little bit more and maybe get some
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attractive event venues as well. Like, you know, sometimes small pieces of land go up for sale
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that have river frontage, for example, and we can have, you know, on the river kind of activities for
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events, um, or things of that nature. Um, I'd like to move towards a more organized homeschooling
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network. We've made some attempts in that regard, and it is very difficult because different mothers
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and fathers have different priorities and expectations and ways of organizing their kids'
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schedules and going about it. Um, I'd like not to like dictate top down how we do things, but I'd
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like to just find a better kind of balance and a workable model. A lot of it, like how we've ended
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up doing things has been what has worked over time with multiple inputs and it's just sort of reached
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an equilibrium and stabilized there. So I'd like that to happen with homeschooling and just for that to
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be more organized. I'd also like to, this was like my initial ambition was to have a formal educational
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institution for young men and women, you know, recent high school graduates before they go out
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to college. I think we're, we're missing a key opportunity to inculcate our youth into our tradition.
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And I think it's, it's the perfect kind of institution to, to mesh well with the community
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framework because then, you know, young kids can come down and not just learn about classical Greek
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philosophy or like classical music or, you know, whatever, uh, stuff that we'd be teaching there,
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but also they would have access to the community and learn basic trade skills, construction, and,
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and have, you know, paid work opportunities. There's always paid work to do here. So integrating
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different kinds of properties, more, uh, more communities, obviously it'd be nice. And we're on track,
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uh, to scale very, very quickly. I mean, growth has continued to be really positive and people are
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always applying. It's, uh, we have to become more organized, uh, in the way that we process all of
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that. Part of that is, you know, redesigning the website and having better software protocols to get
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the workflow going right. Um, but yeah, just more bigger, more diverse, uh, activities that we're
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engaged in. Um, and yeah, really, I'd like to see though, just a shift in the culture online to more
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people wanting to do things in their own area. Um, and if we could help with that, like, that's what
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we want to see. We want to see more attendance at our events and to have maybe like a national event
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that becomes a standard thing. Uh, earlier this year, uh, I think it was January. Yeah, it was
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January. Um, we had the intentional community conference and I'd like that to go IRL and rent
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out a venue somewhere and, uh, and just make that a big thing. Um, I think we have to want to meet up
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with, with each other and learn from each other and care about each other. Cause that's why we're in
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this, right? We care about our identity because we care about each other. We're, you know, aware that we have
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this deep familiarity and likeness because of our shared ancestry and shared values. And if we can't
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use that as a reason to reach out and form relationships and, you know, grow real community
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online, offline, uh, then what's the point, you know, then you really are just like some internet
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racist and kind of a loser. Like let your internet racism be fodder for love and community and good.
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Exactly. Dude, that's so, that's so good. Hey, I just want to, I want to throw something in there,
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uh, as a resource. I mentioned this to Arvel the first time I connected with him. It might've been
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in a, that 1488 space. Uh, and I'm not saying this is like a shameless self-promotion, but I, I,
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my company does real estate assessments for broad acre homestead properties. And we publish
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probably 20 to 30 a week that are all active listings. So I trained a team, um, a couple of
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years, over a year ago now to basically do what I had done in private consulting for many years,
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which is to help people find land and what, and what makes good characteristics for home setting
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land. So basically considering all the four nexuses of human survival, food, water, energy,
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shelter. And so I did that in my own process of finding my property and I've done it for people
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for many years, but I trained a team to do it. And we publish a list and everything that we publish
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is like a banger homestead. It has all the home hallmarks of what you need to live and thrive on the
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land. And we have a grading system where it's ABC and an A property is like a turnkey, absolute
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banger. It's got good infrastructure. It's got good soil. It's got good water. It's got good access.
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It's got privacy from the road or offset from the road, things like that. Those are more
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expensive. Then there's a B property, which is basically that, but a little bit of a fixer
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upper has the hallmarks and it just needs work, a little bit of work. And then a C property is like
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a bargain property that is almost raw land, has all the things you need for the basis,
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but you need to build it. And so we publish that. So anybody who's curious, go on my list. We charge
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50 bucks a month for this service, but I used to do this for $400 an hour for people. And so people can
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go on my list and we have properties all over North America that are amazing homestead properties
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that totally would accommodate exactly everything that Arval is talking about and could help people
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get on the land faster. Because if you go to try to buy a property, it is a painstaking process.
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You're scouting online, you're making a list and then you're filtering that list down. And then you're
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spending days, weeks, months, years looking and driving around and visiting. We basically do 95%
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of the looking by sourcing all the metrics. And then by the time you go and look, it's almost a
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done deal. People rarely find issues with any properties we list. So I just wanted to put that
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out there. That's a link in my profile because it would be extraordinarily helpful to anybody who wants
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to get on the land fast because there are bargains out there. And some of the states, like in the US,
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Arkansas, some of the best value that you can find for homesteads. Kentucky is also a really good one.
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You can get Amish properties that are very easy to fix up, that have great foundations of infrastructure.
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You know, you've got the corner of Oklahoma, the corner of Kansas, you can find decent properties too.
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And even northeastern Washington on the west coast, some of the best value for homestead properties in
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the US. So I just wanted to put that out there. People can check that link because it'd be very
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helpful to a lot of people listening here. But let's open it up. That is so white. Yeah, that's
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awesome. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. I didn't know that you did that. It's just like a little
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side gig you have. Well, it's actually been my main gig for a long time building that website.
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But I, you know, after I found my property here, and I just realized how much time it spent,
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how much months it took me to find this property driving all around the province.
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And then I found this one. And then I'd done it in consulting for many years just for my farming
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stuff. And then I just realized, man, there's a real system to this. And basically what I do is
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I use what are called the 11 scales of permanence. And I go through climate number one, topography
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number two, water number three, access and circulation number four, socioeconomic, so
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on and so forth. We rate properties based on all those things. So like straight up, like we don't
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advertise this, but we will not list a property that has bad socioeconomics. So I know I can say
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this in this space, and it won't offend anybody. But if a property that you're looking at is close to
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like a really urban, well, maybe not even super, super urban, but an area that has a lot of crime,
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like black crime, we won't list it. Like we don't list any properties that are,
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it's, it's, it's, yeah, I mean, I look at, I look at the socioeconomics as they, as the same as I do
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is tornado alley. I mean, all of these things are, are threats to you, right? And so if you're picking a
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homestead property, you really have to think about what are the threats on the property and off the
01:42:31.540
property and even in the greater community to you, right? If you want to survive and thrive,
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you have to factor these things in. And I've seen so many times over the years where people buy
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properties and then they get me to come out and see it. And then I go, my goodness, you bought the
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wrong property. And it's just devastating for them because there was one or two things that they
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overlooked that were so simple to find. And 99 times out of a hundred, they can be found online
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and they can be identified. So you don't have to waste your time driving out to look at something
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that the minute you drive in, you go, oh my God, look how close the gate is to the road. And look,
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and you can see the house from here and things like that, that people just don't think about.
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Well, there you go, everybody. That's phenomenal.
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Now you know where to look for our white communities that we want to start.
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Well, if you want it, so, I mean, I'm terrible at pulling stuff and putting it up on the nest,
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but if somebody goes to that link, yeah, put it in the comments or put it in the thing. It's on the
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link in my profile. Yeah. It takes you right there. And it'd be so helpful to all these people
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that want to get out of the cities and make something like this happen. And, you know,
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with, with a platform, like what Arval's doing with Return to the Land, these guys, we can now build
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on the foundations of giants. They've got a platform, right? And so just take the best and leave the
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rest. Right. And just, and just, this is so possible now. And, and, and anyways, I, I'm a guy
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who's been talking about getting on the land with friends and buddies for literally 25 years. And
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finally now with all the shit that's gone on in the world, that the sort of identity crisis has
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brought us together, that now it's actually more doable. Like the idea that this is primarily,
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you know, white nationalists that are coming and talking about this stuff. This is the exact
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unifying North star that people need that all these other intentional communities don't have
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all these hippie dippy intentional communities are a fucking joke. They all fall apart and they often
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get lost in, in who's the leader, you know, whereas, you know, what Arval's talking about is
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clearly defined leadership roles, right? Straight up meritocracies, very, very old world,
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you know, European, why do the Europeans rule the world is because they had to get through a half a
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year of winter. We had to, this is why the Protestant work ethic is so hardcore is that if you come from
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those cold countries, historically, you had to work for six months straight to create a surplus to get
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through the next six months. And that's, that's people unifying in that, that culture is, is
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everything that is needed to, for more people to wake up and do this shit, because now there's that
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North star. Well, it's like those autonomous zones they tried to have, right? And their quest to have
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like a total democracy, or what they thought was a democracy, like it all fell apart, right? Because
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like you said, everybody's competing for, you know, who's the leader, they want to be the leader, and
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nobody can admit they're wrong, and they don't want to be humble. And it's all built on lies, and it's
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all built on, basically, it's all built on people just not being honest, and saying, this guy is the
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leader. He's the leader for this. It's that simple. All these hippie ones, they, oh, yeah, man, whatever,
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we'll sort it out. No, no, no, you'll sort it out until the shit hits the fan, and then it all falls
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apart. So the contracts, having written agreements, this is, this is everything for the, in order for
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these to work. Yeah, getting it all laid up ahead. I wanted to, we only have a few minutes left, but I
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did kind of want to, you know, ask Arvel about, you know, the sort of back and forth you had with Nick
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Fuentes, someone who probably wouldn't survive out on the land on his own for too, too long. You know,
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and, you know, if there's any follow-up or any future of a, yeah, like the future conversation
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with him, where, where, what's the status of Fuentes and you? Oh, man. I don't really want to
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talk about it, really. You know, there, I think I still have some respect for him as a host of his
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program. I think no one does political commentary as well as he does. And, you know, I, I like him
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personally. I said a lot of things that I meant, you know, that he's having a negative influence on
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others. And he's not really, you know, as much a part of the white identity sphere as he is part of
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this e-celebrity and kind of internet anti-Semitism sphere. He collaborates with people who aren't
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really of us. I mean, he's, he steps outside and, and that gives him, you know, an advantage over
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some people in our sphere where he can go out and make a, a big impact on the, the public
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consciousness. And I don't want to diminish that. So I don't want to rag on him excessively. I just
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wanted to point out where I think he was going most wrong, which was his un-Christian advocacy
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of very worldly things over something like humility, community building, like the value of an,
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an honest day's work. And, and I think he should absolutely, if he's going to call himself a
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Christian, promote those basic Christian values. Like I really don't understand how you could
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read the gospels and, and read what Jesus actually taught himself and then go on to think that,
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you know, respecting, uh, Andrew Tate and Kanye West is the way to go and sucking up to...
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Hey, can I, can I make a quick comment on that while he's coming back?
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I watched, I watched a little bit of that go down and I think it comes down to, there's sort
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of two, um, separation, um, ideologies that are kind of coming to the surface now. And
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I, I call it one is stand and fight and the other is exit and build. And so I think Fuentes
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and that whole school of guys and political commentary is all, it's, it's what it's stand
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and fight in that they basically just, they're saying, we got to get control of politics. We got
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to get control of the economic power institutions. We got to get into influential positions and
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basically just go at sort of politics, culture, uh, and economics. Whereas Arvel and I are more
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on the exit and build side where we're just saying, okay, not only do we have to like, yeah, sure.
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You can play politics and economics and culture, all that. But if you don't have food, water, energy,
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and shelter, then the system's always going to be able to leverage you and throttle
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you. And so that's where there's this great divide. Cause a lot of these guys just think
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all the solutions is in stand and fight. But Arvel and I are kind of looking at this and going
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like what stand and fight in Memphis, Tennessee stand and fight in fucking Atlanta, Georgia
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stand and fight in Brampton, Ontario. Like, are you kidding me? So it's, I think we're just being
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more honest and practical. And I think that's what the institutions don't want. Like I know
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that despite we're having these great conversations and getting this information out to people and it's
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great. And I'm not saying this to be black billed, but I know that the institutions will not encourage
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what, what we're doing. So don't expect any sort of algorithmic benefit to this. We have to,
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we have to tough it out. It's a long haul. Most of the work is going to be offline because the online
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world is not going to promote this shit. It never has. And I'm, I'm a guy who's been in the
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permaculture homesteading space for 10 years and that anybody who's really moving the needle with
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getting people empowered, the institutions just do not support this, these ideas. The people that
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are popular on this stuff just make clickbait, but they're not really talking about ideas that
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Arvel's talking about. That's actually organizing structures for people to get out of the matrix in
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the most literal way that the matrix will not have it. And so I think guys like Fuentes, I don't know
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him. I've listened to some of his stuff and I think he's a great political commentary. I think
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he's, he's funny. He's young, but at the end of the day, we have to kind of call a spade a spade.
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He's a young guy living in his parents' basement. He doesn't have children. I don't think he's married.
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He is, he is embodying a characteristic of people that the matrix actually wants the right wing to go
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into because they don't care whether you're right or left anymore. They're throwing the woke stuff
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out. It was always meant to be a straw man, but they actually want guys to really be these next
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Fuentes characters who have, you know, Peppy the Frog memes. They don't nothing. They're totally
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anonymous and they're just siloed out online fucking bitching and moaning all day on social media, but
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not doing anything in the real fucking world. They don't have families. They don't have kids. They don't
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have a home. They don't have a good career. They're just work slaves echoing bullshit online and
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they're going to get totally siloed. And so the whole stand and fight thing, in my opinion,
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that's where that's going. Exit and build is the only way if you actually give a shit about your
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heritage, your people, your children. And again, if you're not having kids, then Nick, this is the
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thing that Nick can't understand about Arvel. Nick can't even get around, get his head around what
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Arvel is experiencing because as far as I know, Arvel, you have four kids. Like that's,
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you're a young guy. That's, that's, that's, you're, you're a fucking dude. Like you're a proper man.
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Nick Fuentes is living in his fucking parents' basement live streaming all day. Like this guy,
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Arvel is building and making shit happen for his family and his community. Fuentes is in Necco
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Chamber and that's where they want you. Don't forget that. We can have all these conversations and
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they're all good. But at the end of the day, they just want you doing that and talking and
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being an echo chamber, totally siloed out online. They don't want you on the land building your shit.
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So let that kind of light a fire under your ass to say, yeah, I don't want to just serve the new
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world order by sitting here being blackpilled all day and hoping for a political miracle.
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I'm going to actually get my shit together, start making some, getting some skills,
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building some stuff and get in motion to get on the land.
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There's, well, I think there's two types of men, right? There's men who talk about it and then
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there's men who are be about it, right? So they like actually are about what they talk about,
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you know what I mean? So they put their money where their mouth is and stuff like that. So yeah,
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I think maybe he falls into the former where he talks about it, but then there's the men who are
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actually about it, right? They be about it. So. Yeah, but he doesn't even really talk about it,
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right? He just talks about, we need to take over politics. He has in the past. That's sort of the worst
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part about it is he's demonstrated that he understands that exit and build is the best
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way potentially to be able to eventually stand and fight. It's a way to build parallel power bases
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for future elites to come out of. Like I've had conversations with him about this and he,
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he understands. It's just that I didn't demonstrate a certain kind of fealty and loyalty.
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And I don't know, e-celeb drama etiquette, something that I don't, I don't really care
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that much about. Like I said, some things without thinking and he, he took personal offense and now
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he's willing to try to basically sabotage the only active intentional white community in the U S
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out of, I think, petty personal feelings. Uh, my, my biggest thing with him is he's not consistent
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with his avowed values. And I think he's obviously put fame and, and power first. And he should put,
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I mean, he should put God first really. And it's your respect for God's law that should then inform
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your respect and love for your people, whether you're a pagan or you're a Christian, like we love
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our people because we believe it's the right thing to do because we owe our allegiance to them.
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And he, it gives lip service to that sometimes, but yeah, clearly doesn't live up to it. And he
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also demonstrates a lot of those cardinal vices of our age in a really obvious way. And people
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emulate it. That's the thing is people do follow the leader. And right now, a lot of people think
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Nick Fuentes is the leader. And exactly like Curtis was saying, as a result, they are themselves
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setting their highest ideal at internet celebrity, or making money in the system,
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fame, uh, online in these circles, likes on posts, like social media drama becomes what they care about
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the most, even above like conventional politics. Um, when supposedly that's what they're about. It is.
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I mean, it's absolutely pathetic. How, how fucking, how, how girly he gets around Kanye West,
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who's a complete degenerate. I've been calling this guy a psyop for a long time. He's just an
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infiltrator. That's there to, to burn the barn down. There's a lot of guys out there like that.
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They gain influence and then they get into a thing and then they burn it all down. And that's the,
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the, the psyops now are multifaceted. They're coming at us on all angles. And that's the exactly it is
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like, don't. And the thing that's so I'm just jiving with Arville so much on this conversation
01:56:12.620
is that I think both him and I don't, I'll speak for you and you tell me if I'm wrong. Um, is that
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we don't really care about who is the bonafide leader. We just care about winning. We just care
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about getting ours. We don't care about being the next fucking personality out there to, to win
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everybody over and be the next big talking head because there's a greater, there's a greater issue
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here. And that's why guys like Fuentes get so butthurt when people challenge them is because
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their ego is so fragile that they feel that they have to just lash out when there's no reason why
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a guy like Fuentes should be lashing out a return to land. There's no reason that these guys have
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all the values and more of the things that Fuentes talks about, at least for the most part. And yet
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he's trying to tear them down because his ego is butthurt. I find that's the sign of a guy who's
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kind of immature. And I think it could be because the guy doesn't have a family. He doesn't have the
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responsibilities and has to like man up as guys like Arville and I have to do on a regular basis.
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So he can't even fucking get his head around it. He's just too caught up in being an internet
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celebrity. Yeah, he has no skin in the game. He has no wife, no kids. Yeah, I think it's, it's really a shame
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that the mediums that we use to communicate are dictating how we perceive social rank and value
01:57:35.260
and status and everything like that. And the people who are rising to the top right now are
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e-celebrities, the people who do well in this kind of voice only, no action, all talk, no action,
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all spectacle, no substance. Like what appeals to the most people? What gets the most likes?
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And he does exemplify that. But I will still defend him and say, I don't think that he's
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intentionally come in to disrupt. I think he really came to our views because he believed they were
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right. I followed him closely from, you know, 2018. And I think it's just he's demonstrating the moral
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failure that so many of us are subject to not just people who aren't, you know, 100% white or who might
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be adjacent to the real core of white identity. Like, but also us, like our young men, our zoomers
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are exemplifying the same kinds of character flaws, the sloth, like, you know, Nick used to be more of
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an intellectual. He doesn't read as much as he used to. He, he, he has a certain kind of work ethic
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where it comes to getting this following, getting this clout, competing online. But he's like,
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he said, he doesn't have a wife doesn't have kids, even though he knows he should, he knows it's the
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important thing for him to be doing with his life. But he's deferring and deferring and deferring.
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And he's doing that with so much, you know, the serious questions, he'd rather just take the easy
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answer, where it comes from Catholicism. And like many Catholics, he doesn't read the Bible, he doesn't
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really care about the doctrines. It's just sort of, well, I'll show up, you know, and, and say my
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Hail Mary's and I'll call it good. And it's just this low effort kind of, I don't know, stagnant
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place that so many young people are so many of us are. So I don't want to point the finger at Nick
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and say, like, you're doing it wrong. And you're coming in sabotaging. He's just a mirror to what
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we are doing. And we have to change our priorities. It's not like, yeah, Nick does too. But like,
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I don't want to put it all on him. I think that at his core, he is a good guy. And I would defend
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him. Well, at the end of the day, people watch him. Well, right. So if we stopped watching that
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kind of stuff, then. Well, and you know, you're right, he's good at what he's good at. But I mean,
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it brings us back a little bit as we're wrapping up to the concept of, you know, who makes a good
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leader and humility makes it for a good leader. And you get humility by kind of having your hands in
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the dirt and be that, you know, dealing with dirty diapers to, you know, dealing with kids
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or building, yeah, or plumbing or electrical, all that kind of stuff that's required, you do get
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dirty. And maybe a good experiment, if you know, I, you know, Nick ever wanted to come out to the
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land would be that one week long camping trip with the boys and see what happens out there.
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Um, and then, you know, you kind of see what somebody's made of, that's the thing that's so
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sad, you know, like, and that's where you can kind of get a little black filled is that you just go
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like, fuck, so many of these young men are just trolling online. That's all they're doing. There's
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just, it's so fucking pathetic. I see it all the time. Like guys that, you know, people who just like
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get offended on an opinion you have, and then that's the line in the sand for them. And then they
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come at you. And it's just so lame. It's like guys like Arville and I are just too busy building
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shit, chopping firewood and making stuff and having babies to like get sucked into this stuff. But
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that's the thing that's, it's a real psyop and X, as much as I enjoy this platform and I'm grateful
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to be here, uh, it is going to really silo people. And I see that with all this JQ stuff coming out too.
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I don't like to say this, but I just think that they're letting us all come up with this stuff and
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they're honeypotting us. And then they're just going to silo people out. And so that's why,
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again, exit and build is the, in my opinion, if you want to survive is really the only thing.
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And as Arville said, is that exit and build is the way to stand and fight, to stand and fight and try
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to get political leverage in Chicago, where I think Fuentes is based close to like, good luck,
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all black city council Democrat through and through what you're going to move the needle
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there. And so it's like the people that say, stand and fight, they, they, they'll say to us,
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well, we're cowards because we're walking away. It's like, no, we just realize where's a war we can
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win. And we're more focused on winning than fighting an uphill battle in a losing demographic
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where you're getting completely outpopulated. And then you won't even want to have kids because
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you're surrounded by Jeets. Like that's how it is in Southern Ontario. And so what, you're going to
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stand and fight. It's just, it's insane to me. I know there was a couple of people, sorry,
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I just want to say there was a couple of people that put their hand up. I'm sorry, we're wrapping
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up. So I didn't want to bring anybody else up here because. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, guys, we're wrapping
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up shop and we want to thank, you know, our two VIP stars. And we wanted to do this in partnership
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with white excellence radio and you guys are like actually the embodiment of white excellence. So
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thank you for continuing to raise the bar and raise the bar for us, for our people, giving us some
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white pills, some inspiration. And yeah, I guess I wanted to know from you guys, if you wanted to
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last words out there of hope or inspiration for particularly guys in the audience who may be
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feeling black billed and where they can find you Curtis, if you want to start. Yeah, sure. Yeah, you
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can find me. I mean, my life's work or at least the last 10 years, as far as what I've done online
02:03:24.940
is at freedomfarmers.com. And I, and if people start with that homestead accelerator, the value in it
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is insane. Like when we first launched that program, we were charging $400 a month for it because it was
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hard to kind of systematize it because it was all just me. But now we found a way to just do it for
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like 10 times less than money. And we have more listings now than ever. And so people can check
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that there. Follow me here on X if you don't already. I'm still on YouTube. I don't publish
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there much anymore because it's just, I don't know, I kind of got tired of making videos, but
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I am on there and it's off grid with Curtis Stone. And yeah, I mean, last words, I would just say like
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the thing that I always try to, to, to tell young men is that, you know, you can get blackpilled and,
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and, and, and I've gone down that rabbit hole. Like I've gone down the black pill. No question
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about it. I've been a truther for 25 years. That's been my journey. And, um, if you get so blackpilled
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that you just, you think that everything's pointless, they've got you. That was, that's what they
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wanted. They want you in a hamster wheel. Okay. And so you can look at the light, the world for
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what it is and accept it, or you can just get caught up in this, how the world ought to be
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mindset. And then you just stay in that, that hamster wheel because it doesn't go anywhere.
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And so once you start accepting how the world is and what you need to do about it, then you get off
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the hamster wheel and you start taking steps and everybody's steps are different. Don't look at me
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or Orville and just say, well, I can't do that. I can't get to what those guys have done. Fuck
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that. You can do anything you put your mind to. And, and all it takes is just one foot in front of
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the other. The first step is the hardest step and every step gets easier. And like, I remember times
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when I was farming, cause I just learned to farm by bootstrapping it. I like read some books,
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watching YouTube videos just started. I remember the first year of my farming, it was so fucking hard.
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I was working 16 hour days. And I remember working so hard that I actually got like famished. Like I
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famished myself. I didn't, I wasn't eating enough. And I remember just like laying on the floor and
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complete exhaustion, just going, I can't wait until this is easier. And I just know more and I can just
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exist. But you get through those moments and you see it through the end. And then you get to that point
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where you can. And now I'm as a thousand times more productive as I was at that moment. But it was the
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perseverance to get me to where I am now. And I, in order to get there, I just had to put one foot in
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front of the other and just constantly move forward. Don't get caught in the past. Don't get caught in
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the, he said, she said, don't get caught up on false idols that just want you to, to endlessly follow
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them and repeat their ideology. And then you just get, you're on that hamster wheel, get off the
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hamster wheel, get in reality, make it happen. It's the, it's the fight we all signed up for. Yeah, it seems
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tough now. It does. Cause when I got to say, I go to the cities, I can't believe it, but you know
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what? It's the fight that I believe our spirits signed up for. And it's, it's what we came into
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this world to do is to bring a sort of heaven on earth. And maybe it doesn't have to be on earth as
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we know it. Maybe it just starts in our communities, but that's a better place to start than to stand
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there and say, well, I think the world ought to be this way. It's like, dude, here's where the world,
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here's what the world is. And here's where you start. I'll leave it there.
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Yeah. White power for sure. That's white power.
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Absolutely. Arvel, can you close us off brother? And thank you so much for doing this. This was
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highly productive and informative and you know, we're doing like flag exchanges and like, it's
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awesome. I'm really, really happy with this. Yeah. Thanks so much for inviting me. It's been
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great speaking with Curtis and the two of you. It's so encouraging that so many people are
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understanding the importance of communities. Um, it's a little disappointing that it's taken
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so long. It seems like such a no brainer, like, okay, you are a white nationalist. Why don't you
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start with a white town or a white community or something, you know, imminent to you that you can
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actually live in accordance with? Um, you know, if, if you're seeing what's happening in a large scale
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and being discouraged, I think it's important to recognize that what's immediately around you
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is far more important than some abstract economic political change. You know, what is going on in
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your neighborhood? What's going on with the people that you know and love? Cause that's your domain of
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responsibility beyond that. I mean, how much do you actually live with the, uh, you know, the
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demographics of San Francisco changing or the, you know, what's going on in some far flung corner of
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the globe? Like you live where you live, you deal with the people you do, and you have to live according
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to what you believe in. And if you're not living in accordance with your values, you're going to be
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miserable. That's why you're miserable. Of course you're black billed because you're not living up to
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what you think is right. And so you feel bad about yourself. I guess the good news is you don't have
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to live that way and you don't have to go at all alone. And you don't have to look at others who
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have accomplished more and say, you know, I'll never do that. Like Curtis said, like, you don't
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have to do it alone. It's not on you. It's on us. And we have each other. That's the good news
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is like to do what we know is right. We just have to rely on the people that God gave us and that's each
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other. And we're here in this world to help each other grow bigger. And the potential, like the
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potential futures for us in our communities are so much bigger than I think anyone today realizes.
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Just the ways that we can organize, the way we can consider how we're going about forming
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communities, the way we educate our kids, the tools available to us today, the rate of technological
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change. It's scary. It's overwhelming. We have to get more organized and think more consciously about
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what we want life to look like because it can be utopia. It can be heaven or it can be hell. I mean,
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we can definitely go to dystopia too. So it's, it's an era of unprecedented possibilities. And it's an
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era where we're becoming self-conscious of a, an identity that is so epic in shaping the history of
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humanity that we, we haven't had that self-conscious realization that we've been kind of balkanized
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within the white race with this kind of parochial English or German or French or whatever, you know,
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local identity, even America, like starting out, we were very regional and there are still regional
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identities that matter and that, you know, we shouldn't abandon our regional identities. They mean
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something, but now we have this insight into a larger thing that we're all a part of that unites
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all of us, that we have the potential to change the world still even more so now because we're not
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relying on state structures that are 500 years old because we're being forced to reinvent the wheel.
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And I think that's a good thing. And I think it's, you know, what we need to, to correct the
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spiritual problems that our people face as well. So like there's so much promise in each other,
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in what we, how we can organize, how we can build economically, just like the, the way we can farm,
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we can fundamentally transform and it can be more productive and more nutritious the way that we
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educate kids, the, the way that we deal with computers and AI, like it can all be much healthier
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and we can put things together in a way that can really benefit us. If we just let go of that ego,
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stop caring about the internet drama, bullshit, start doing what you know is right. As soon as you
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start doing that, God will do the rest, whatever you believe God will pick up where you leave off.
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If you just get, you know, one foot started in the right direction, do in, in your life day to day,
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are you doing what you believe is right? If you believe that you care about your people,
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get with your people. Wow. That was a great way to end it.
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Gosh. I'm swooning. You guys are so amazing. Yeah. Thanks. I want to thank Arval who's yeah,
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our California philosophy major army guy in Arkansas, you know, living his best life and
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Curtis, you know, an entrepreneur and a free thinker and an open spirit and, you know, a father
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and a businessman. I, we just want to thank you so much and thank you to white excellence radio for
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supporting us in this journey and a posty high five, virtual high five. Thank you guys.
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Yeah. That was amazing. Virtual five. Yeah. Thanks so much guys. Oh, and just, uh, if you want to
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re-listen to it again, I will upload it to rumble probably a couple of days. It takes me, but, um,
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yeah. So if you want to listen to it again, outside of Twitter or X, I'll send the link in my profile
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probably tomorrow or the next day. Very good. All right. Awesome. All right. Thank you. Thanks