On this episode of White Nationalist Space, we have a special guest, Maximus McLeaf, from Nationalist 13. He is a spokesperson for the group and has been in the space for a few months now. We are so grateful to have him on the show.
00:01:56.980Toronto Fitness Club, that's the other thing we have noticed is that any, if not all of the active clubs in Canada, their banners get nuked.
00:02:10.420Everything gets nuked, even though there is not necessarily much happening on their page.
00:02:16.200So McLeaf in, let me see, like if you can find our guys and I know there's Alex, he says he's in the space.
00:02:29.460Alex, okay, Alex, if you can hear me, have him, I hit request, and so, because I can't necessarily see our friend, we have a very special guest from Quebec coming in hot.
00:02:48.160So we just want to thank you for being here.
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00:04:02.720So with that, McLeaf in, do we have our guy?
00:04:06.060I need to check my DMs, because they suddenly, suddenly blew up.
00:04:09.860But do we have our gentleman here from Manitoba Active Club and from Frontenac?
00:04:19.260Yes, they are both in the space, or at least they should be.
00:04:22.640I know the Manitoba guy is in there right now.
00:04:24.640I'm just DMing the Frontenac guys right now to get them on board as well.
00:04:28.640I know he was coming from the jail because he never stops working out.
00:10:15.180And I think it's such an important task for us to do to keep propagating our message on the Internet because it's such a powerful technology for reaching as many people as possible.
00:10:27.820I think it's also important to do the real life stuff, whether it be using print materials like, you know, stickers and leaflets and all that kind of stuff and obviously demonstrations.
00:10:37.200But the Internet is also such a such a big part of what we're doing.
00:10:43.920Yeah, yeah, I suppose it is, you know, just getting censored off the Internet is no big deal when it comes to getting arrested, to fighting the state all the way up to your higher courts or to the Supreme Court.
00:11:01.520I mean, I mean, what is starting a new X account?
00:11:04.680But, you know, for some of us, I think it it gets demoralizing and, you know, just this constant attack from the media or attack from the left and and that you are managed to keep your morale so high.
00:11:47.640It is now a multicultural, multiracial hellhole.
00:11:51.740And we kind of wanted to know from you, what was the genesis or what made you start?
00:11:57.980Like, when did you decide that that's it?
00:12:00.160We need to start an active club in your area.
00:12:05.880Well, to be honest with you, that's a that's a lot of history.
00:12:09.020First of all, thank you for having me on here.
00:12:10.980I appreciate the opportunity to spread the message of IRL organizing among white Canadians and to take Canada back for the white man.
00:12:18.780So, first of all, to answer your question, it started a little while back.
00:12:24.400I've been involved in dissident politics since about 2019.
00:12:29.480And I started out just, you know, I was hearing different things.
00:12:34.120I was consuming different content online.
00:12:36.560The algorithms kind of took me through the motions.
00:12:39.280And then I ended up actually sort of posting my own live streams and guesting on other National Socialist live streams to spread the message, to propagandize.
00:12:49.160But after a little bit of doing that, we kind of realized that, you know, things aren't getting better.
00:12:53.960Things are actually getting quite a bit worse.
00:13:30.500One of our original, we're all kind of familiar with the story of Austin Metcalf and the feral nigger who stabbed him in the chest, basically unprovoked.
00:13:42.920This has been going on for quite some time, for a number of years.
00:13:46.720One of the first WLM flyers had a list of, I believe it was like 24 names on it, of white children, some of whom were like three years old,
00:13:54.580who were brutally murdered by these feral savages who should not be anywhere near us, that they should not be entitled to proximity to us.
00:14:03.700So we started protesting a little bit, and it did okay.
00:14:06.900You know, there was some small turnouts.
00:14:09.540But then eventually, well, I learned that actually from Tom Sewell, when I was talking to him on the stream I did when I was podcasting, that, well,
00:14:19.020Leif, your rally isn't the entirety of what you're supposed to do.
00:14:23.000Your rally is supposed to be a showcase of the community building that you have done beforehand.
00:14:27.780So you build up your community, you build up your active club, you get your guys together, then you go rally, and you can have much more success doing it that way.
00:14:37.700So from there, I kind of got involved in building an active club with some other people up here.
00:14:43.300They approached me about building one of these.
00:14:45.240I had no idea what they were at the time, but I'm like, okay, yeah, sure, I'll help you guys build it.
00:14:59.600And then eventually, that project turned into Toronto Fitness Club, which is, as you can say, it's a fitness club, not an active club, because in Canada, you can kind of get in legal hot water if you call it an active club.
00:15:12.380So we use Fitness Club just to be absolutely safe for ourselves.
00:15:16.840And then from there, that translated into doing rallies down the line.
00:15:27.780Maybe I'll ask, I'd like to ask Friendly Fash from Quebec representing, what was the genesis, or what was the reason you guys started your fitness club in the French-speaking side of town?
00:15:46.480Well, in all actuality, it was a young man that got it started a few years ago.
00:15:58.520And his enthusiasm and his enthusiasm and his tireless efforts kind of helped bring me back into the fold because I've been in this since about late 2016, early 2017.
00:16:11.980I've been involved in different types of clubs.
00:16:14.660And in any case, I have a hard time being in mainstream gyms because eventually I get doxed there.
00:16:23.160And the whole idea of intentional community building, I had the chance of actually meeting up with Rob Rundo back in 2017 and seeing firsthand Ben Daly and how they do their thing.
00:16:38.080And holding up that 3.0 model that was already established here when I came in and kind of took the lead because I already am face out was something that I was interested in doing so long as we kept the quality going.
00:16:54.440And things are so egregious, and things are so egregious these days with how much our enemies are pushing the envelope that recruitment is made easy just because people have had enough.
00:17:10.760You can follow up with that, I suppose.
00:17:13.640Yeah, no, we certainly have had enough.
00:17:16.120And I'll put this to the ferryman to make this full circle.
00:17:21.580Would you say that you guys are the newest club on the block?
00:17:26.100And are you guys like aware of, you know, you have to call yourselves not an active club, but a fitness club, like those little nuances around the law to keep your clubs head above water?
00:17:43.200Well, regarding the legal issues that McLeaf had alluded to,
00:17:48.140I don't think it's that big of an issue, the semantics of it, although there is potentially one, so I understand why you wouldn't use that branding.
00:18:00.520But as we know, there's many guys that are still using that branding, and they haven't run into issues yet.
00:18:05.400So I'm not really particularly concerned with the nomenclature so much as I am with how they're going to respond when these things get bigger.
00:18:19.840I don't think they're going to be really scared about what language you're using to refer to the groups as.
00:18:27.180They're going to attack you based on the spirit of what the group is, and, you know, all these different groups are embodying the same spirit.
00:18:37.360So I don't think what you name it is going to be the issue, but we'll see how that develops.
00:18:45.540And, yes, obviously, if Active Club as a brand is prescribed as a terrorist organization, then, yeah, that will become an issue.
00:18:57.040And we've seen how that plays out with some other guys over branding that they were using or, you know, material that they were sharing.
00:19:05.640Yeah, you do have to be careful in Canada when something is prescribed officially as a terroristic organization.
00:19:25.000Obviously, Second Sons is an organization that's been in the works for over a year now, and it's getting close, as some people are probably aware, to a very public launch.
00:19:45.860As for the, I mean, most of what the Second Sons groups are, are groups that have been in existence for over a year anyways.
00:19:56.520They had their own names and their own branding, you know, through the kind of Diagalon network.
00:20:04.940And they've been active on their own, but they haven't necessarily been engaged in activism.
00:20:10.820It's been more focused on community building and fitness as opposed to, you know, agitation and protest.
00:20:18.440So that will change a little bit as we get rolling.
00:20:24.580But, I mean, the intention for now, I mean, I think the main focus of active clubs in general is not to be, you know, or whatever, fitness clubs, nationalist clubs, whatever nomenclature you want to use for it.
00:20:36.460I think the most important thing is the community building aspect.
00:20:40.700And if you have a strong community, the activism and the politics will follow.
00:20:46.840So that should be the main focus of these groups.
00:20:51.180You know, it's the horse before the cart, so to speak.
00:25:40.200So, like, with TFC, the branding that we use is just out of an abundance of caution.
00:25:46.240Like, a lot of guys will still use the term active club.
00:25:49.080We're just going above and beyond because we have to, like, really, really toe the lineup here.
00:25:54.480Like, you can't use swastikas in Canada, for example.
00:25:58.360You couldn't fly something with SS bolts.
00:26:01.040You can't have slurs on your banners and stuff like that.
00:26:04.500It's much more strict that way as opposed to the states where you can, like, run around just screaming nigger on the corner of the street and no one will give a shit.
00:27:23.180Sorry, I was having trouble with my microphone.
00:27:24.720So, we're just looking at, like, what have been some of your bigger obstacles that you've run in with public demonstrations?
00:27:34.980Well, right now, the main problem is just the police and lawfare.
00:27:40.220So, we've just been constantly getting hammered with just arrests.
00:27:46.240Yes, I was arrested at the mass deportations now rally that we did outside of Federation Square.
00:27:57.620They just used this charge called grossly offensive behavior, which is a ridiculous charge.
00:28:04.640It actually has a maximum of five years in prison for offensive behavior.
00:28:10.800It was brought in because there was a so-called disaster on one of our freeways in Melbourne where a guy got pulled over because he was high.
00:28:34.340And while they were pulling him over, another Indian truck driver high on meth ended up, like, running, like, going off the road and hitting all four police officers and killing them.
00:28:48.480And then the guy who was high on cocaine who miraculously survived this pulled out his phone and recorded a video of him just, like, abusing the cops, going, like, that's what you get for pulling me over and just basically just being a menace.
00:29:08.640But in response, the politicians brought in a new law called grossly offensive behavior.
00:29:13.900And this, obviously, we're not making fun of dead police officers or anything at our demonstrations.
00:29:21.600But these laws have been weaponized against us so that any time we go do a demonstration, these police officers say that we're doing grossly offensive behavior.
00:29:36.300And these laws, because it's such a long sentence, five years, they have the right to raid houses over this.
00:29:46.060So we've been raided for demonstrations with this.
00:29:48.940I don't know why magistrates sign off on it.
00:29:51.180But in my experience, Australian magistrates are just politicized vermin.
00:31:04.260But we're not going to stop because, as I said earlier, I can't think of anything better to do than just be a little bit of racist with my, with the time I've been blessed with on this earth.
00:31:42.980I don't think there's a better way to be.
00:31:45.400Yeah, it's just like, I'm just going to be racist online and that's the end of it.
00:31:49.920Well, to follow up with that a little bit, I will say the only thing better than being racist online is being racist in real life.
00:31:57.720It's, it's such a, it's such a high to just be racist IRL and demonstrate and go out with a banner that says mass deportations now and just look at the leftist brain implode as they walk by you.
00:32:11.460Well, and this is why, you know, I'm so grateful that her hamster scent, you know, could join us because, you know, between Canada and Australia, I think we face a lot of like similar tactics and plans by the state.
00:32:29.800Now, with you, McLeafin, I'm not sure if you were part of it, but you can perhaps speak to it.
00:32:36.640NS 13 and Nationalist 13 and the Toronto Fitness Club did a, you know, a cameo demonstration in, where were we?
00:33:18.960So, the story behind the, the Jackson Square event is actually an interesting one that should give everyone a little bit of motivation to get involved.
00:33:27.620What happened there was one of the members of NS 13 had some female family members go to the mall of Jackson Square.
00:33:36.920And as they were leaving the mall, about to go home, some jeet whips his cock out, starts masturbating at them, and then starts chasing them down the street.
00:33:47.520And so, that kind of pissed a lot of us off.
00:33:50.980A lot of us were really upset about that when we heard it, and we decided to do something about it.
00:33:55.540So, one of them reached out to me and said, hey, Leaf, we want to do a rally.
00:34:16.500Like, if you actually go into the Facebook groups of, like, the Hamilton Neighborhood Watch and all that, it was just, like, it was about evenly split between people supporting it and people opposing it.
00:34:28.380And that just drove the conservatives and the leftists wild.
00:34:32.920And from that, actually, then, ferrymen did a little bit of online activism, and it basically crashed the PPC and broke their spirit.
00:34:39.820Like, as of now, I'm not sure if anybody saw this recently, but Max Bernier is putting out, like, mass deportations now in his, like, posters for his party.
00:34:49.720So, we certainly shifted things to the right that way.
00:34:52.820And it was just because these jeets are a menace on our society.
00:35:56.240A lot of wonderful people here on the speaker panel.
00:35:58.720And I just wanted to give a big kudos to Nationalist 13 and Toronto Fitness Club.
00:36:05.460About a month before that first rally at Jackson Square, myself and a friend were distributing White Lives Matter literature around that area and around McMaster University.
00:36:18.340I used to live in Hamilton for over a decade.
00:36:21.760And it was pretty brown when I first, you know, started living there.
00:36:26.300And it was even more brown when I moved out.
00:36:28.820And it was even more brown when I came back to do some activism.
00:36:33.280And I'll never forget, I first saw the photos circulating online.
00:36:38.560And shortly after, the friend that I was handing out literature with messaged me saying, we've been outdone with the picture of the rally.
00:36:58.340Ferry, do you see what, you know, they've faced in Australia, you know, do you see that a similar approach will be taken by whatever government takes charge here in Canada in a few short weeks, that they will be, you know, recipe swapping and idea sharing between governments as to how to manage?
00:37:24.880And are they going to be able to manage us in this because we're such a large country and perhaps the active clubs are popping a bit like popcorn a little bit too fast?
00:37:38.440Well, and the lack of our policing, right, too.
00:37:40.720Like, do we have the actual police forces that could manage that, what they did in Australia?
00:37:46.500Well, so on the last point there, don't have any illusions.
00:37:52.980They will devote every ounce of police resources they need to to addressing this stuff if they have to.
00:38:01.360They'll take resources away from violent crimes units.
00:38:04.180They'll take it away from drugs and gangs.
00:38:05.860They'll take it away from sexual assault.
00:38:07.800They'll take it away from whatever they have to to make sure that they can police us if they feel the need to.
00:38:15.580I mean, Hamster Sant can chime in on that if he wants to.
00:38:19.960But, like, that is absolutely the case in Australia.
00:38:23.280They'll devote hundreds of police officers to, you know, an NSN rally while, I don't know, Africans are running wild with machetes a few blocks over.
00:38:32.700So it's not a matter of police resources.
00:38:36.580They'll take them off the Palestinian protests and whatever else is going on and use them for us if they have to.
00:38:46.300Regarding information sharing, they're already doing this, especially at the academic level.
00:39:05.420These organizations all work together to share information.
00:39:08.200And they all have contact with the intelligence apparatus in their respective nations.
00:39:13.860So they already are doing this to a certain extent.
00:39:18.120I don't know if it'll increase, you know, as groups get more popular, but I would assume that it would.
00:39:24.480And they'll use the popularity of nationalist organizations to justify increased spending where applicable.
00:39:34.700So, for example, every time, you know, like they did with, say, Diagalon in Canada, anti-hate use this, as well as other organizations to, you know, justify their lobbying for increased government funding.
00:40:31.100Like, there's a lot of, you know, rhymes between Canada and Australia.
00:40:35.320There's a lot of, like, similar patterns.
00:40:40.060But regarding the next incoming government, I think it would be ideal for us politically if the conservatives win.
00:40:49.560And that's not because, obviously, the conservatives are going to be any better.
00:40:53.500It's just that it would be very useful for us to have a conservative government attacking us as opposed to a liberal one.
00:41:03.660And the reason is because it's very easy for, you know, the normie to hate on the liberals when they're attacking us.
00:41:11.940But if it's the conservatives doing it, that's an optical nightmare for them, or at least it's more of one.
00:41:17.260Now, do I think they would, you know, hesitate for an instance to pass new legislation to try and come after, you know, active clubs or nationalist groups?
00:41:27.740But I think the normie or, you know, the average person is under, the average conservative, I should say, is under a delusion there where they think that this stuff will all go away.
00:41:38.640The Bill C-6-3, the hate speech legislation, the, you know, all of the things that were brought in under the liberals.
00:41:44.920I think they're under the impression that all of that will go away overnight if they change the government.
00:41:49.640And that's why I say I think it would be beneficial for us if they win.
00:41:52.200And the other thing about that as well is that, you know, the liberals will show no mercy.
00:41:58.080I don't know if either will show no mercy, but if the liberals get in again, they'll show no mercy.
00:42:02.220They'll go full bore and they won't think twice about it.
00:42:30.800Have you noticed in Quebec, because you're, you know, Quebec, like, is kind of almost this little different country inside the country of Canada.
00:42:42.880But have you noticed a revival in a nationalist spirit within Quebec?
00:42:47.660Have you noticed that translate into numbers and interest in what you guys are doing for recruitment, that is?
00:42:55.080The situation in Quebec's always been complicated.
00:43:00.380And a lot of that energy, unfortunately, gets diverted into more linguistic nationalism, which always ends up being civ-nationalist in a sort of, like, anti-Anglo thing.
00:43:17.220Most of the guys, although we do have a fair amount of French Canadians in our group, obviously, because we're in Quebec.
00:43:23.220But they're, as soon as they are leaning more Anglo.
00:43:29.020So a lot of the big groups that are going now are centered around the language and around Catholicism.
00:43:35.860And that's one of the reasons why I wanted to get involved with the Active Club, is it's race first, because that's the battle lines that we're fighting on right now.
00:43:46.780Now, there is, in the younger generation, a—they're starting to get it.
00:43:55.520Like, they'd rather join forces with an Anglo-Quebecer than have Mamadou or, like, Jean Prince, the Haitian guy, on their side.
00:44:09.560They see that's not sustainable, because that's how they got the boomers, is by the importation of the francophonie.
00:44:17.040And that's just not the best of the world.
00:44:18.940The French didn't do so good insofar as the countries that chose to colonize.
00:45:02.620But in Quebec, what we've been infiltrated with is Africans and French-speaking Arabs, because it's the language thing that is so important.
00:45:14.420Anybody now can be a Quebecer so long as you speak French, right?
00:45:18.600So we have everybody from Seychelles, Sierre de Léon, we have all of the French colonies arriving en masse.
00:46:18.040So long as Quebec and Alberta are arguing about equalization payments, we're not talking about race.
00:46:26.260So there's very intentional traps that are being set by the government and have been set there for a very long time so that Quebec is isolated, unable to communicate with the rest of the country, and I think misunderstood quite greatly.
00:46:44.520But I was hoping that Quebec would be a province with a nationalist spirit because they do have that inherently, a nationalist-fighting, feisty spirit.
00:46:58.420Oh, yes, some of the deepest roots in Canada are coming from the French.
00:47:05.360You know, the group I had previously associated with that had good prospects until, you know, troubles with courts and such was Atalant, which really was racialist, but also leaning into the cultural side of things because, you know, we've been here for a good 400 years or so.
00:47:25.780And they see the problem with how we're being put upon, a lot of it is counter-jihadist, not atalant necessarily, but, you know, because it's a Catholic space, it always had been since its inception.
00:47:41.060But we are seeing a shift towards the purely racialist, just because, as you said, like, there's more and more small communities, because that's the thing with the way our immigration works here, is that they don't concentrate them solely in the city center.
00:47:57.800I mean, I live in Montreal, and it's an absolute fucking shit show, pardon the language, but, like, in the furthest spaces of the province, they're starting to drop all sorts.
00:48:10.080And we're getting our fair share of the Indians.
00:48:12.200I mean, I used to have friends that tried to tell me to come to Quebec City and live there, because back in 2017, it was almost purely homogenous.
00:48:19.660But every time they go back, there's more and more brown faces, the replacement is setting it in a record space of speed.
00:48:28.020And, you know, it has the positive effect of slapping people awake.
00:48:32.280It always starts on the highways, too, right, joining, like, if you're driving from Montreal to Quebec City, you start noticing at all these enroutes that it's getting browner and browner and browner until it really infiltrates the city.
00:48:47.740You notice that from Ottawa to Toronto, and, yeah, it's pretty bad.
00:48:53.440So, guys, let's talk about, you know, we have some listeners in the space that perhaps haven't joined a fitness club, an active club, perhaps talk to us about the kind of recruit you are looking for.
00:49:07.480What is your ideal specimen for, I'm assuming, a guy to recruit?
00:49:14.440It's even though we're ladies facilitating this conversation, we can't join.
00:49:19.020So, McLeaf, and perhaps you can share what kind of, what's your ideal recruit?
00:49:25.900Yeah, well, my ideal recruit is essentially any white man who is pro-white.
00:50:02.980But the biggest thing is just being willing to do that.
00:50:06.460And the other thing is you have to be pro-social.
00:50:08.800We don't take antisocial morons in our club.
00:50:11.400If you show up to a meet and start spurging about this little topic or going off on religious infighting, you're just going to be kicked immediately.
00:50:20.360You won't even you won't get a second chance.
00:50:26.940Like it's as a country, we're either going to stand together or we're going to hang separately.
00:50:31.480So if you're going off about, oh, well, the equalization payments are bullshit or whatever, you know, just OK, you can go do that someplace else here.
00:51:20.800I just have a list of vetting questions.
00:51:22.980You know, when somebody contacts me, they just get a list of questions and that pretty much filters out most of the, I guess you could say the riffraff.
00:51:33.320And it's the same, like I said, because we're in a very sparsely populated area.
00:51:39.880We do get recruits because we've had some pretty viral videos.
00:51:43.620And some people definitely haven't worked out.
00:51:46.540Mostly, the only people who don't work out are strictly because of tardiness issues.
00:51:51.260Either they show up late or they basically don't respect time.
00:51:54.360And that's pretty much the only problem I've had with people in our group.
00:52:51.580The boomers are showing up to vote and the young guys are showing up to active clubs.
00:52:56.480Hamster Sant, are there kinds of, you know, qualities that you're looking for?
00:53:01.380Or maybe qualities that you're really not looking for?
00:53:04.880And imagining kind of like whiny guys or, you know, guys who cause drama or that kind of stuff.
00:53:14.340Are there qualities that you're looking for?
00:53:16.340Are there qualities that you're looking for and that are red flags for you guys in your recruitment process?
00:53:21.020Well, I think the most important quality in terms of somebody that you're joining is a sense of modesty.
00:53:35.400And so far as they're joining our group and they should subordinate themselves to the established leadership and the established group that they're joining rather than joining with the mindset of changing everything with their ideas, how everything else can be done or why this isn't working and all that kind of stuff.
00:53:59.020You wouldn't join some sort of company if you're employed and start criticizing the CEO or this shouldn't be being done, all this kind of stuff.
00:54:10.360You need to put your time in in the organization before your opinions are going to be valued and acted on.
00:54:20.200So I find that a lot of people that join, like instead of just saying, hey, I'm joining because I'm interested in the group.
00:54:38.780I think that's probably the most destructive trait that people can have when joining.
00:54:44.140In terms of what's the ideal kind of candidate or person that you're joining, I think it's just somebody that is motivated to carry on the struggle no matter what, that has a fire in them that is going to keep them constant in their activity.
00:55:01.560It doesn't matter if occasionally you need to take a little bit of time off because you've got other things in your life that are going on.
00:55:07.580But as long as you're going to stick around and build up that that better and see in the movement, because to become somebody that is very useful and that is very is a great fighter for our race, you need to put your time in.
00:55:23.880You can't just be a 18 month soldier as Mr.
00:55:29.240Mr. Siege explained in his book, the 18 month syndrome.
00:55:33.320When people join and they're a superstar for that long and then they burn out and they leave, the problem is you haven't built up your veterancy, you haven't built up your experience in the movement, your understanding of our ideals and all these and the bonds between people in the movement so that things can be organized and strong.
00:55:54.720I think that's the most important thing, just being modest and realizing that when you join an organization, you're joining an organization where people have actually thought through what is what is happening.
00:56:08.500They've sought through the ideal, they've learned about our struggle, about strategy, about our worldview and that it's not your place to to lecture people who have been in this movement for far longer than you are than you have.
00:56:23.120You're here to learn. You're here to learn. You're here to be mentored by people that have been around longer.
00:56:28.220And then the second is to to just have the determination that you're going to be carrying on this struggle for for the rest of your life, not necessarily the rest of your life, but for for the foreseeable future for a long time.
00:56:40.460Not just being one and done, going, doing your 18 months and then and then leaving because you get burnt out or you got other things to do, because there really is nothing that is more important than securing our existence.
00:56:56.600Even if you want to look at it in a self-interest type of type of type of type of type of way, an individualistic type of way.
00:57:03.460The way things are going, we are not going to have a future in in this country that is even up to the bare minimum standards of of what we expect as as white men.
00:57:18.360we're not going to be able to have anywhere we're basically not even going to be able to
00:57:23.520have property we're going to be surrounded by strangers who hate us probably don't even speak
00:57:29.000our language they um yeah and and all of them are going to hate us obviously because we're the
00:57:36.120the villains of history who have caused all these problems allegedly so yeah that's that's what i'd
00:57:44.560say that's the ideal kind of candidate and i don't know why anyone couldn't really be that
00:57:50.100unless they've got some some issues like maybe maybe mental issues or the main thing is lack of
00:57:56.840priorities and not prioritizing uh living that kind of life living an active national national
00:58:03.180socialist lifestyle being active in the movement seeing your purpose as being to struggle uh for
00:58:10.480the survival of of white people yeah hamster makes a really good point there actually that i do want
00:58:16.720to expand on the idea of individuals showing up to the first meet and then all of a sudden talk about
00:58:23.220why aren't you guys doing it this way well i think you should do it like this and i think you should
00:58:26.780do it like that and no i don't want to be a part of a group unless it's doing it this way no no no like
00:58:31.120national socialism is a movement of hierarchy is a movement of hierarchy and duty duty to those above
00:58:38.060you and duty to your race as a whole so you get these guys coming in and personally we don't even
00:58:43.620call them national socialists we use the term racist anarchists because they come in and they just
00:58:48.760think that they're gonna rule the thing within two weeks it's like no that's not what's gonna happen
00:58:53.740um if you think you're that great if you think you're gonna take a leadership position you're gonna
00:58:58.780sit down work for a bit work your way up through the ranks like all the rest of us had to do
00:59:04.100and then after you've proven yourself over the course of months and years then we can talk about
00:59:10.200the leadership position for you later but not when you first show up so definitely yeah the racist
00:59:15.760anarchist type is something we have encountered before and it's a it's a big problem do you maybe
00:59:21.420want to go yeah yeah he's gotta go right so yeah i know exactly i mean do you like do you agree on
00:59:28.020that like can you expand on that as far as the quality of man you're looking for and you know
00:59:33.800we're dealing with people that um you know are like fuck you make me so it's really hard to sort
00:59:40.560of amalgamate you know people who need to be disciplined and follow hierarchy with you know
00:59:46.420what we've been enduring over the past five years of you know the government telling us what to do so
00:59:53.060you're sort of dealing with this conflicted person um would you would you agree with that
00:59:58.860most white men respect authority whenever it's justified and virtuous so if you have the right
01:00:10.440leadership in position i would say like 90 of guys will trust the process and they will do what you ask
01:00:18.300of them um because you know they they see that you're coming that you have their best interests
01:00:24.160um but what uh hamster sand and mcleven just touched on is a hundred percent right it is
01:00:30.600definitely the worst trait to come across you will i would say maybe like two out of ten recruits
01:00:39.760you know we'll do this one like one out of five recruits will say um you know you guys should do this
01:00:46.640you guys should do that i want to be this i want to be that and it's like you're yeah it's a huge
01:00:51.880problem um and it comes i think to an extent from um you know modern society and like everybody thinks
01:01:00.980that they that their opinion should be taken as as valued whenever they have uh like there's a
01:01:09.340difference too like obviously we've had recruits of like high quality recruits where it's like okay
01:01:14.000we actually want your input because even like even though you're new um you know you're somebody who's
01:01:20.000been putting in the time and effort in a different way for a long time you have a very specific skill
01:01:24.720set so we actually you know want to bring you in for your input but then you have guys who have
01:01:29.340done nothing have very little going on in their personal lives and for some reason they just don't
01:01:35.500understand that you know they don't get a say like they haven't earned it so yeah both those guys
01:01:41.800touched on that really well um as for the the type of guys that we're looking for um i would say that
01:01:49.780the the one type of person that is the most desirable um at least for us is administrative
01:01:59.380bureaucratic types which seems like a weird thing to say you know for active clubs or you know like
01:02:06.760fitness clubs but um you know we have no shortage of guys who can you know stand and bang or you know
01:02:14.240are ready to go and draw banners or do activism or you know build something like we have no shortage
01:02:21.600of guys who can do but guys who can uh you know be the bean counters and be the administrative types
01:02:28.280and are going to um you know make sure that stuff is getting where it needs to go and guys are getting
01:02:34.100stuff done that needs to get done that's that's what's lacking so i would say that's like if if
01:02:40.240for us specifically for an ideal recruit like yeah we need bean counters we need guys that are more
01:02:48.120suited towards background administration than um you know combat sports or um you know like we we need
01:02:59.720we might be in a little bit of a different situation than some of the other guys but like because of the
01:03:04.960nature of of how our organization formed but it's just management i guess is the the key we need more
01:03:12.380managers so yeah and mature guys can probably fulfill that role you know if they're not you know combat
01:03:21.040ready anymore but you know they've got a good brain for excel spreadsheets and um as you said can can
01:03:28.380tally numbers properly and just sort of run a tight office um that's probably a good role for guys who
01:03:35.300might not be in fighting shape anymore you know they used to be
01:03:40.240yeah um and uh with that i think i'll head out here thanks for hosting the space it was good
01:03:50.460thanks to everybody who jumped in here as well appreciate it
01:44:34.540Oh, is everyone just being contemplative?
01:44:37.260No, I was just talking to a closed mic.
01:44:39.960You know, I was just having a nice conversation with my mic off.
01:44:44.560And, like, what I want to get in, like, where I wanted to end it with you guys was talking about the future and where you see things in the next, you know, the next year to five years.
01:44:57.800It's just, like, what we're going to face and, like, let's just, like, get in here, Posty.
01:45:04.960And so I want to, I definitely want to talk about where you think we're going.
01:47:27.300I enjoy Hanson Truth's enthusiasm, but we probably won't have a criminal cartel or a terrorist organization.
01:47:39.860And that's, being as a, I'm a Canadian, that's nothing that we have in sight.
01:47:44.700Like, we're building from the inside out, radiating positivity and, you know, getting our activists together, getting our act together,
01:47:56.980modeling ourselves on successful models that aren't committing acts of terrorism and burning cars and buildings down or anything like that.
01:48:07.100Like, because, I mean, other friends would cease us, of course, and I know we're their listener, so...
01:48:13.040Yeah, they're in the tunnel, for sure, yeah.
01:49:18.960They basically saw how I ran things, and I think they're going to take up after me quite well.
01:49:24.500And we even have a little demonstration going on very soon that will be posted on our channel, and I think it could draw some good eyes.
01:49:33.200We're going to go to a nice landmark, and I mean, of course, I'll be in touch with them, but I probably will not be on the ground.
01:49:39.860But I will basically be shifting over to another group and following in their footsteps, basically, and just subordinating myself.
01:49:50.840Like everybody said, it doesn't matter if I ran a group or whatever, I'll just be subordinating myself, and I hope I can bring my leadership to another group somewhere else.
01:49:59.760Basically, I'm moving somewhere, and Canada's so big, it's not going to be anywhere near Manitoba.
01:50:06.180But that doesn't mean I'm leaving any movement.
01:50:09.400And that's me saying, like, basically the least as possible.
01:51:59.880We were just wondering what you envisioned for the club, I guess you could say, the fitness club, in the next, you know, one year, five years.
01:52:22.540That's what we want to achieve among our members, and we want to interconnect ourselves.
01:52:25.920A big saying of ours is proximity is progress, so we have to get together, live close to each other, essentially form intentional communities, and all of that is an organic process that develops over time.
01:52:42.100We like working together with other groups where we have overlap, where we have commonalities, and essentially just developing each other in a certain way.
01:52:50.300Because maybe, say, a group in Manitoba doesn't have quite as many members, but one of their members is a very good artist.
01:52:58.780Well, that guy can contribute to us, in a way, and maybe in Toronto we've got more members, so we can kind of help them out and take a bit of a load off their shoulders in terms of, say, funding.
01:53:08.400There's all kinds of interconnectedness that we can develop across the next year that we're looking to develop and grow our groups, grow our network, connect with each other, build each other up, and eventually develop something national across the country that will revolutionize nationalism in this country, not just in each individual area.
01:53:32.940I want to work with guys in Manitoba to develop their groups individually, and then once all those groups are built up, we can network them together into a larger whole that is greater than the sum of its parts.
01:53:45.220Yeah, and we don't need – like, I agree.
01:54:17.900And then, you know, there's Alberta active clubs.
01:54:20.420There's Manitoba and, of course, Ontario, Quebec.
01:54:23.760And then there's active clubs in the Atlantic provinces, too.
01:54:28.200So this is, like, an unstoppable force.
01:54:33.500And, you know, I'm glad that you guys all know each other, but, you know, we're just happy to make that connection with the Australians as well.
01:54:42.420I think Canada and Australia are in a very – like, a very similar pot, right?
01:54:48.260And so, especially if Australia is leading the way in so many ways, there's no need to reinvent the wheel.
01:54:56.480It's just, like, let's just take what they're doing and apply it over here.
01:55:00.420Well, and Australia is quite large geographically, too.
01:55:03.220So they do have a lot of the same struggles geographically we do.
01:55:05.960Yeah, our struggles are – our struggles are serious.
01:55:15.880I just actually dropped you a – I dropped you a link in DMs.
01:55:19.480It's a 2A telegram group, and if you want to, I don't know, put it in the nest, for example, it's essentially in sort of a betting portal for people who want to get involved.
01:55:29.780If there isn't a club in your area or even if there is a club and you don't know about it yet, get on telegram, get in that particular chat group, and we'll find someone near you.
01:55:39.740We'll bet you first, and then we'll either find someone near you who already has a club and we'll funnel you into your appropriate club, or if there is no club near you, we'll help you start a club of your own.
01:55:49.740Like, the main thing I want to emphasize from this space is it is time for white men to get active IRL.
01:55:56.060It's time for us to get off the computer, get into the public square, start meeting up with each other, start hanging out, start building those intentional communities, and if there's not one near you, maybe that's your calling to start it.
01:56:08.560So, we need to get all the white men that we can active.
01:56:12.800We need to get white men involved IRL, and the only way to do that is by white men stepping up.
01:56:20.960Well, I think that's all the motivation they should need.
01:56:27.740Hamster, what do you think is the vision for the next one year to five years for what your organization is doing?
01:56:42.620Well, we're going into a period of expansion.
01:56:46.320We have a solid vanguard of committed activists who are foaming at the mouth, racist, extremists, radicals, but we need to branch out to people who aren't as, obviously, have the same beliefs and are willing to support what we're doing, but aren't as radical and as determined in terms of their activity.
01:57:11.360So, we're trying to build the infrastructure so that people, if they want to donate or if they want to come occasionally to a gathering but aren't willing to show up to training every week and all of that, we can facilitate that kind of level of involvement.
01:57:29.400Because most Australians, even ones that are sympathetic to us, tend to be mostly apolitical, focused on their own lives, but they still want an outlet to participate to the greater struggle in whatever capacity they can manage.
01:57:50.380So, we're focusing on that, but it's very important and we won't let it be a crutch insofar as we're not going to let it de-radicalize us or stop us from doing all the important activity, which is obviously the originating principles of what brought our movement into being in the first place.
01:58:16.860So, we're not going to abandon anything we're doing, but we're just adding other activities to our movement.
01:58:26.620So, we're building on it rather than shifting to another focus.
01:58:30.200So, we're going to continue doing what we're doing because it's very effective in bringing our worldview to people, in recruiting the most dedicated and the best fighters for our movement.
01:58:41.260And to just building up our strength generally, you need those kind of fanatical people to be organisers.
01:58:49.820You need them because they're going to be in it for the long haul.
01:58:54.520They are the people that are willing to put in the most time, that are willing to gain that better and see that they need to be effective leaders, to be effective activists.
01:59:05.220So, we're in a period of we're going to set up a political party.
01:59:11.780There's two main goals of doing this political party.
01:59:15.760I think a lot of people get confused and think that we're trying to basically become the next liberal party or try to compete with the mainstream political parties who are obviously funded by the Jews and are given all the support of the establishment.
01:59:35.300We want to become a political party because there's more protections associated with actually being a political party on the books, as it were.
01:59:47.600So, we are basically being completely and utterly disrupted and harassed constantly by the police.
01:59:57.420And when we go to court and before these magistrates who are just as bad as the police most of the time, they're saying, oh, we're allowed to do this because this is not a political organisation.
02:00:19.120And the magistrates courts have basically just become farces where people, you know, these come out of the mouths of prosecutors with 100% earnestness.
02:01:00.580And they're not that interested in what we're doing in terms of vanguard politics, which I think is more important.
02:01:07.280Personally, I think it's you've got to cater to people with different temperaments and different beliefs and things like that so we can get those people involved.
02:01:18.860And I think the thing that we can aspire to is becoming a party that is small but that can be used as a tiebreaker and can just basically cause as much disruption as possible in the parliamentary political system by virtue of being a small party.
02:01:37.280And basically forcing concessions from the other two parties, if it were to get big enough to be that significant.
02:01:47.640I think that could be achieved if we put in now, you know, put in the work to get it done.
02:01:54.900But at the same time, we can't let it obviously take over everything else because most of our efforts should be focused on what people call meta politics, obviously.
02:02:05.680And that is just our three main tasks of building up the strength of our movement, whether it be in terms of morale or material and organization and all those things.
02:02:14.500Recruiting as many people as we can, so just building up the movement in terms of manpower, recruiting people, getting them involved and actually serving our movement.
02:02:28.280And then thirdly is just building understanding of the national socialist worldview and obviously the struggle for the survival of our race, whether that be propagandizing, bring that message to as many people or educating ourselves so that we have a deeper understanding of it.
02:02:45.260And all of that can be done outside of parliamentary politics, obviously.
02:02:48.700So most of our efforts should be outside of that.
02:02:51.440But nonetheless, I think the parliamentary political stuff, it can be productive and that is a sphere that we can operate in, but we cannot let it obviously become the sole focus.
02:03:02.000Otherwise, we're going to basically throw our lot in with that.
02:03:07.640And there are benefits of the parliamentary politics, but there's also detrimental effects on the movement.
02:03:14.820So those are the ways that we're mostly going to be focusing on expanding in the coming years, building up a class of supporters who can help us financially, obviously setting up a party so that people can vote for us and we can achieve those goals and obviously protect ourselves from the harassment of these overzealous political police.
02:03:41.160Yeah, we're like so inspired to see that.
02:03:47.040We are so inspired to see you guys starting a political party.
02:03:54.960I know that there have been attempts up here in Canada to do something similar, but it's very nascent and it's really challenging.
02:04:04.600I think what these guys are doing, connecting active clubs across the country is probably the best first step, right, to get our white boys together.
02:04:17.980And then we can, you know, have the mission, the vision to go to a political party.
02:04:24.180But, I mean, I know that that would really get some people excited is to get to that step.
02:04:31.520Well, I think too that, I think was it McLeafan said earlier that, you know, to build a community, it takes all different types of people, right?
02:04:41.400So we do need some of those people that maybe are good for, you know, political face or whatever that would, you know, be a good political leader that can get the votes out there and stuff like that too, right?
02:04:52.840And I also think, like, to what Hamster's hand was saying, is that it also helps, and I think our system is quite a little bit different in Canada, but to have a party as like a disruptive party, you know what I mean?
02:05:05.460So you don't have that unit party, you have that one party, even if they never become a majority, they're there to kind of put roadblocks up for the fucking other bullshit parties.
02:05:46.280So that can be very demoralizing for people who want to participate in the movement.
02:05:53.000But if it's just one thing that you're doing, then obviously it doesn't really matter.
02:05:58.320It doesn't matter whether or not we lose an election or we win an election or we get MPs or senators because that's not everything that we're doing.
02:06:08.040And we know that it's one that has the cards obviously stacked against us, the chips stacked against us.
02:06:14.320So we can obviously go in with good expectations or realistic expectations, rather, of what can be achieved and how important it really is to our movement.
02:06:30.580Those fundamentals of building our numbers, of building our strength, of deepening our understanding and the understanding of the population, those are actually the really important things.
02:06:41.280It's not being elected, though, that thing is obviously downstream.
02:07:10.600And I'll just say, like, because we were talking yesterday about the one-year trajectory, and that's where the Networking the Clubs came about.
02:07:17.660If we're talking a five-year trajectory, there will be an NS or NS-adjacent political party in Canada within five years.
02:07:49.920You know, you might be a very smart guy.
02:07:52.160You might be the best electrician ever.
02:07:54.200But if you don't have some business sense and a little bit of training from guys who have done it beforehand, you're not going to be able to run your own contracting firm.
02:08:01.580And it's the same thing with politics.
02:08:03.300It's there are guys who have that aptitude, who have that skill, who have that desire.
02:08:07.760But that needs to be very refined before you try to do something like that up here.
02:08:12.080We've seen what happens when you don't have that and you just try to launch a political party.