postyX - September 01, 2026


Posty Rewind-Interview with Stephen Wells


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00:00:00.000 Can you hear me?
00:00:01.940 I can hear you loud and clear.
00:00:04.340 So tonight, tonight we are speaking with the most defiant man in Australia.
00:00:13.180 His name is Stephen Wells.
00:00:17.520 He's part of the National Socialist Network in Australia.
00:00:22.220 And he has gone through quite an extraordinary journey.
00:00:26.300 He is in the audience right now.
00:00:27.980 So, Steve, if you want to click on the request mic, we'll bring you up, or I can try and throw you a mic if you can catch it.
00:00:36.740 But we're going to bring him up onto the stage.
00:00:39.220 I'm not sure if he's on PC or if he is on a phone.
00:00:44.140 I should have asked that in my production meeting.
00:00:47.520 But we're going to bring him up here, and we're going to have a conversation about what is going on with the Australian government
00:00:56.840 banning all their accounts and we're going to talk about his story of being arrested
00:01:02.440 and persecuted by the Australian legal system and he's quite a base character and I'll even
00:01:12.220 post his a clip that I did that I grabbed today and I'll post it in the bubble and
00:01:21.460 um posty if you want to grab this yeah oh hold on a second here
00:01:28.820 all right what do we have who do we have here we have steve
00:01:34.260 up here we're still waiting for uh steven wells right based
00:01:37.760 yeah no i'm throwing him a mic but he's not grabbing it so
00:01:41.660 oh i think this is his first time so i know and the app is not
00:01:46.780 yeah the app is not the greatest either all right i'm gonna change the title up
00:01:50.880 here and then unless you want to do that oh wait hold on we got it we got it here he comes
00:01:58.640 is that him yeah okay yeah i thought he was mr
00:02:08.080 mike unmute hello hello are we on yeah there we go can you hear me yes yeah we are i'll hand you
00:02:18.140 over to steven all right so hi guys sorry we're just having a little issue with my phone so i'm
00:02:23.100 just using my wife's phone oh your wife she's really something huh yeah like she she she's
00:02:31.200 the real hero in all in yeah like she's part of my list of questions i hope she stays close
00:02:37.880 all righty yeah yeah well welcome steven um it's really a pleasure and an honor to speak with you
00:02:46.200 and a lot of us are excited those of us who have been in these inside white nationalist circles
00:02:52.660 have been following your story from the day you were incarcerated to the day you came out
00:02:59.540 and we want to hear kind of all about it but let's start by maybe you introducing yourself
00:03:07.180 to the audience there's lots of Americans Canadians Europeans who may not know who you are
00:03:13.680 So perhaps give us a little introduction.
00:03:18.140 Yeah, so I joined the European-Australian movement about just over a year and a bit ago.
00:03:27.380 I'd run for local council, and the guys had reached out after.
00:03:33.620 There was a hit piece done on me in the media.
00:03:35.600 um the the the establishment had been sort of uh gunning for me for a couple of years because i
00:03:42.900 used to write for uh an australian online magazine called the xyz um uh which has been more uh there's
00:03:53.380 now a magazine called the noticer which is uh more used now because uh dave um sort of got
00:04:00.660 burnt out doing the xyz so i've been so they've been gunning for me for a while um and they gun
00:04:06.740 for me when i went for local council um but the guys from the eam reached out to me and um after
00:04:14.060 sort of about a year in their company they sort of realized that i wasn't quite as much of a hothead
00:04:18.860 as i made out and so they decided to let me uh join with the nsn rally um because they're very
00:04:26.100 very careful about who they let go on the rallies because uh that we just can't afford to have
00:04:30.880 anybody who's going to lose their temper um doing it so i actually joined the nsn on that day that
00:04:37.140 was my first nsn rally and oh whoa no way what what a way to start oh my god yeah and it was
00:04:47.060 quite funny because uh my wife kind of had a premonition before i went there it's like she's
00:04:51.600 just like you're going to get arrested and um and like yeah i probably am and uh so like when
00:04:58.360 we were telling like family like i'm going over to adelaide because i live in perth um i says yeah
00:05:03.880 what are you going to adelaide for i'm going over to adelaide to get arrested and yeah sure enough
00:05:08.000 um so i spent uh exactly uh 37 minutes in the nsn before i before i got arrested and um but yeah
00:05:19.200 I've been on the scene, um, just in the background for a fair while, um, back in the, uh, in the
00:05:25.440 COVID tyranny, I was one of the head speakers, um, at the rallies, the anti-lockdown rallies
00:05:30.840 in Perth, um, for about a year until I wrote a piece on a guy called Avi Yemeni, who is 0.95
00:05:37.080 a, uh, a sort of Jewish, uh, worst. 1.00
00:05:41.760 Yeah. 1.00
00:05:43.040 Yeah.
00:05:43.760 I wrote a piece on him just sort of saying, cause he was sort of, um, being one of the 0.98
00:05:49.180 the sort of controlled opposition Jews trying to make out that all Jews are 0.54
00:05:52.860 quite, not all Jews are bad kind of thing. 0.81
00:05:55.200 And he runs for Rebel, he works for Rebel Media down in Australia now.
00:06:00.460 And he was sort of doing all of these things,
00:06:02.800 saying how bad the COVID tyranny was, but I just didn't trust him.
00:06:05.480 So I wrote a piece sort of saying, look, he may be okay, 0.99
00:06:08.580 but until he actually starts speaking out about all the Jews, 1.00
00:06:12.740 I can't trust him. 1.00
00:06:15.600 Like, he may be an okay, he may be the exception to the rule,
00:06:18.060 he may be okay i have no idea never met the guy but as long as he's you know talking about covid 0.74
00:06:24.820 but not talking about you know multiculturalism and uh and how the jews are behind it then i
00:06:30.100 can't trust him and anyway that that little article got me banned from um being the speaker
00:06:35.900 at the covid rallies because they didn't want uh any um any bad media about one of their speakers
00:06:43.820 as being a so-called Nazi.
00:06:45.560 So that's what put me on the list
00:06:51.020 with writing that article about him and others.
00:06:54.920 And so I've been on the...
00:06:57.640 That article itself got me on some Jewish lobby groups,
00:07:02.240 top 20 most dangerous anti-Semites in Australia, 1.00
00:07:06.280 which was absolutely hilarious
00:07:08.100 that to be of the most dangerous,
00:07:11.720 not just an anti-Semite,
00:07:12.820 But the most dangerous in Australia, all you had to do was write an article about some reporter and say, hey, I don't I don't know whether I can trust him or not yet.
00:07:21.400 But yeah, so I've been on that list for the past three years or four years now.
00:07:25.940 I don't know. So, yeah, I've been sort of in the background.
00:07:28.980 I mean, I'm not as prominent as, say, Tom Sewell or Blair Cottrell or Joel Davis or Jacob Persant.
00:07:34.780 um but yeah um i'm i'm i'm known i've still got a small uh um profile of uh of jabbing the bear
00:07:45.780 here in australia so yeah well we love um obviously we love the like the the hierarchy of
00:07:52.960 of the nsn you know joel and tom and blair even though blair technically isn't in the nsn and
00:07:58.880 and jacob we've spoken with him but we also love like the other ranks you know we've spoken a lot
00:08:04.380 with tim lutz and jimbo and um and what's his name mikhail um so we've we've spoken with a
00:08:12.920 bunch of them as well on different podcasts and in spaces and you guys are quite um like a robin
00:08:21.120 hood's army of like these you know misfit toys that have come together and you're you're you're
00:08:28.060 all impressionable or impressive individuals in uh in your own way um so may i ask you like what
00:08:36.220 like how did you become racialized you're you've said in your interview that you're 54 years old
00:08:42.440 so i'm trusting that you've spent a part of your life um you know in the united colors of benetton
00:08:49.820 you know we are the world we're all the same and then something happens and you shift or were you
00:08:56.160 always like this no no i'm i was um you know i was uh a center left lefty uh for years um you know
00:09:05.300 you know moderate a moderate lefty you know as far as lefties can go being moderate but um
00:09:11.120 um and i'm 56 by the way now so i was doing doing the female trick of trying to pretend i'm younger
00:09:18.820 we never would have told been able to tell okay fair enough yeah um so yeah uh what what started
00:09:28.520 me on the journey uh was uh the global warming scam um and that's probably like the area of my
00:09:35.640 my biggest area of expertise right now uh do you know a guy called joseph postma um in the united
00:09:42.260 states sorry in canada so i don't ferry do you know joseph steve anyone
00:09:51.460 i don't he's he he's he's a canadian physicist he lives in calgary and um and and he and i are
00:09:59.860 pretty good friends and you know we were talking a bit um my wife was passing on the message to
00:10:05.220 him that i had been arrested and stuff um he's been speaking out not just about global warming
00:10:10.500 but about the the greenhouse effect itself which is the foundation from which um all of the the
00:10:16.500 physics is um is based from and basically saying that it's it's fraudulent like it's just a complete
00:10:23.220 pseudoscience crap there is no such thing as a greenhouse effect and that's you know it's not
00:10:28.820 just that carbon dioxide won't cause a little bit of warming it it can't cause any it's just
00:10:34.580 it violates all of the laws of thermodynamics and stuff and um i sort of came across that
00:10:41.940 um that realization independently uh one day after a guy had um basically chewed me out on
00:10:50.020 on facebook when i was um pushing back on you know just just giving all of the the normie
00:10:57.060 responses that you've been programmed with about global warming and this guy just basically
00:11:00.980 destroyed me and on this chat and i'm one of those people that i don't like to lose an argument and
00:11:06.020 i'm also one of these people who knows when he has lost an argument and i've lost this argument 0.77
00:11:10.660 and i'm like right well if i ever meet this bastard again if i ever meet him again or anybody
00:11:15.540 like him again i'm going to be ready so i went away and picked up all of these physics books 0.69
00:11:19.700 and started looking into it properly uh and at the end of it all i realized that oh my god this guy
00:11:25.300 not only was this guy right but there is no greenhouse effect either and um and then that
00:11:31.540 got me on the journey and i got speaking to all of these phd scientists uh joseph was one of them
00:11:37.140 and they they taught me some more and i spent the next sort of seven years um just becoming an expert
00:11:43.620 in in the physics of that and then of course it's like well who who is responsible for this scam
00:11:49.060 this is the greatest scam in the history of science
00:11:51.740 so who is responsible
00:11:53.860 and then you find out about globalism
00:11:56.360 and then that led me down to finding out
00:11:58.180 that vaccines and viruses
00:12:00.500 were just as
00:12:02.580 based on nothing
00:12:03.880 as global warming
00:12:05.340 and then you start
00:12:08.480 finding out what else do these people
00:12:10.500 want, what else do these people
00:12:11.940 these globalists want
00:12:13.100 that I don't
00:12:15.580 to
00:12:16.520 to fulfill their horrible plan of taking over the world
00:12:20.440 and having a one-world government. 0.99
00:12:21.940 And then you find out about immigration.
00:12:25.240 And so from there, that led me to then speaking to nationalists
00:12:29.640 and getting that perspective and then just realizing,
00:12:32.580 yeah, well, I remember the Bosnian War.
00:12:35.460 I had a couple of Muslim friends back in 1995 who had fled Bosnia 1.00
00:12:41.280 because after 200 years of trying to make everybody all the same 0.63
00:12:44.700 and 40-odd years of communism trying to say that we're all comrades,
00:12:48.380 as soon as the Soviet Union fell, the first thing that happened
00:12:50.780 was all of the ethnic groups that had been hating on each other 0.75
00:12:53.580 for 200 years in the Habsburg Empire, they all started killing each other. 0.98
00:12:57.780 And I'm like, well, yeah, duh. 0.97
00:13:01.300 Why has it taken me 50 years to realize this?
00:13:04.100 You know, it's like, it's obvious, you know, different people are different.
00:13:09.220 And, you know, it's not like I'm particularly racist now
00:13:13.040 in terms of hating on any individual.
00:13:15.100 But at the same time, I realize it doesn't matter
00:13:18.100 how the majority of people get along with each other.
00:13:22.940 All it takes is for a small minority to hate.
00:13:26.320 And there is always going to be a small minority that hates.
00:13:28.960 And if you get lots of different small minorities,
00:13:31.960 well, all the haters are going to start fighting with each other.
00:13:35.520 And then whether you're moderate or whether you're not moderate,
00:13:39.400 it's going to make no difference.
00:13:40.480 You're still going to die if you don't take a side.
00:13:43.040 so it just made sense to like well obviously for self-preservation i've got to stick with my own
00:13:49.980 tribe and because the government's bringing in more and more people from different things and
00:13:55.160 i can see all of the rise of um of violence around and all the gang violence and stuff and i'm like
00:14:01.400 dude it's it's either become racist or die it's it's it's that simple it's it's not nothing to do
00:14:10.420 with all of the the programming and stuff and obviously as you go down you you start sort of
00:14:16.460 realizing just how badly you have been programmed you know and i've i ended up sort of like going
00:14:21.740 from like my wife having gay friends to like just not having anything to do with any gay people
00:14:27.280 anymore because you just realize that even that you know like everything everything i've been told
00:14:34.800 as a Gen X-er at the end of the boomer period
00:14:38.800 has been a lie and it's been programmed to me.
00:14:41.440 And I look at shows like Star Trek now
00:14:43.180 and I go, well, there you go. 0.82
00:14:45.580 One world dictatorship where everybody looks different
00:14:48.700 but everybody is the same
00:14:50.340 and they're all American liberals
00:14:53.400 on the Starship Enterprise.
00:14:56.420 They all look different, but there's only one culture. 0.86
00:15:00.060 There isn't multiculturalism, there's only one culture
00:15:02.380 and it's the Starship Enterprise culture.
00:15:04.800 and uh and even all of the aliens they all end up with the same belief system somehow um and you
00:15:12.580 just think god this has been programmed into me for so long so that was the kind of the journey
00:15:17.500 it started off with uh debunking global warming and um it just naturally led then to finding the
00:15:25.180 truth about everything else um okay so alex just hold to hold tight it's nice to have you up here
00:15:32.200 my friend um but i just want like let's fast forward to the day and i'm interested by the
00:15:37.440 pipelines that people get to to become racialized right and we all have different ones one of our
00:15:44.120 friends ht it was through food right when he started looking into gmos and that kind of thing 0.99
00:15:49.960 and then all of these a sudden he found himself like down a jew tunnel and um many of this 0.85
00:15:56.380 different pipelines but it's funny because as steven was explaining you know his kind of journey
00:16:03.580 it just reminded me of something we've we've used as an analogy before which is a lot of people
00:16:08.940 start at different threads on the spider web and you know the spider web turns left and right as
00:16:14.700 you go down it and you find more information but if you keep honestly and genuinely following the
00:16:20.300 truth until the end eventually you find a big nose at the center of that spider web
00:16:26.380 it gets pretty rock and roll in here there steve um we're a little wild
00:16:34.100 the first time i got banned on telegram was uh for putting up a um a movie poster uh of jaws
00:16:45.660 except it had a big nose and it said and there was money at the top of it and said jews yes
00:16:50.020 that's right that'll get you that'll get you kicked that sounds like something mediate would 0.77
00:16:53.840 do too so yeah yeah maybe it would definitely do that uh he's one of our favorites so i guess 0.62
00:17:00.440 let's fast forward okay so now you're red pilled you're racialized you've joined the nsn for like
00:17:06.320 24 hours you're politically active you've got your finger on the pulse at least of kind of what's
00:17:12.320 going on and then like it's australia day and you're in adelaide is that correct and what yeah
00:17:20.280 What happened?
00:17:21.280 What happened?
00:17:22.280 Well, we sort of knew that they were just ramping up the efforts to shut us down.
00:17:35.080 The Premier went on TV, I think two days before, saying he wouldn't tolerate our presence
00:17:40.160 on the streets.
00:17:42.640 The Chief of Police went on TV the day before saying he was going to invoke so-called special
00:17:48.160 powers to deal with us. He hasn't actually got any special powers. It's not COVID anymore.
00:17:56.020 But yeah, so we knew that they were sort of, that they were hyping up the hysteria in the
00:18:02.500 media about us. So yeah, I mean, we had a lot of strategies for trying to avoid being
00:18:11.600 arrested uh that day and we also had ramped down the rhetoric um that we normally do on uh these
00:18:20.360 kind of um street activism events because it was australia day and we wanted it to be more
00:18:25.220 of a celebration in defiance of them shutting down all the official celebrations for australia
00:18:31.600 day that day so we were in adelaide specifically well it was we decided to do the nationals there
00:18:37.340 but our focus that day was because the South Australian government
00:18:44.360 had cancelled all of the official Australia Day celebrations
00:18:47.900 that normally go on
00:18:49.120 but had given permits to the Invasion Day protests 0.61
00:18:53.780 basically the commies who want to say that white people 0.84
00:18:59.720 were really bad for coming to Australia
00:19:01.380 so all of these protests were authorised
00:19:04.080 but the official Australia Day celebrations had been shut down
00:19:06.900 So we decided, well, we're going to go and as the NSN, we're going to turn up in our uniforms and celebrate Australia Day.
00:19:15.340 We're going to sing Waltzing Matilda.
00:19:17.880 We're not going to be overly provocative in what we do that day, other than just to say a few soundbites so the media get outraged and we get some coverage.
00:19:29.820 But otherwise, we're mainly just going to stand next to a statue and sing Waltzing Matilda for about an hour.
00:19:35.800 make sure the media got our clip of us and then piss off to the beach uh that was the idea um but
00:19:42.320 we literally as we were arriving they were already beginning the arrests so there were people who
00:19:48.880 were arrested for loitering who didn't even make it to the to the initial uh meeting place so and
00:19:54.960 then they were arrested for loitering before they even got there and then they were also charged
00:19:59.600 with displaying a Nazi symbol
00:20:01.540 because they had the shirt inside their bag.
00:20:04.220 The legislation that's been passed
00:20:06.600 is that it's illegal to publicly display
00:20:10.980 a so-called Nazi symbol.
00:20:13.460 Not that we had any Nazi symbols on us.
00:20:15.600 We had the...
00:20:16.740 I'll go into that later.
00:20:18.620 But they didn't even have their shirts on.
00:20:20.280 It was in their bag.
00:20:21.740 And they hadn't even made it to the war memorial
00:20:25.020 where we were starting the event.
00:20:27.300 And they got stopped before they got there.
00:20:28.840 They got illegally searched and then arrested for loitering
00:20:31.300 and wearing a Nazi symbol.
00:20:32.700 That's how bad it was.
00:20:38.740 Sorry, I'm not close to my mic.
00:20:40.600 So you were basically captured by the police.
00:20:45.500 And then how many days were you in prison?
00:20:48.580 You said half of Thomas Sewell's.
00:20:50.680 So I calculated it was around 105 days.
00:20:54.380 How long were you kept in demand and then prison?
00:20:58.840 Yeah, I think it was 105.
00:21:00.220 It was, what would it be?
00:21:03.600 Yeah, it would be 16 and a half weeks, I think, or 15 and a half weeks, something like that.
00:21:09.900 So, yeah, 16 weeks.
00:21:14.620 Just under 16 weeks, I think I was in jail for about half of what Tom was in, because he was in for 210 days, and I think I was in for about 105, yeah.
00:21:21.780 And that's something I think, you know, and Ferryman might be able to comment on this, but something that we notice is, you know, like how the media kind of sets the stage in planting hysteria prior to your arrival somewhere.
00:21:36.640 um during his uh tour he did with on canada in canada last year um every city town that they
00:21:45.460 were known to be going to uh it was like the local media the city media and then the national media
00:21:51.900 started like writing stories about it and getting really trying to get everybody afraid and hysterical
00:21:57.840 and like you know in a panic um and and ultimately it was a big giant nothing burger because nothing
00:22:03.720 happened they you know got off the tour bus said hello to everybody ate a cheeseburger and then
00:22:08.400 you know kept going but there was an amplification through the media to create this fear panic
00:22:15.040 hysteria amongst the normies in the population yeah that definitely happens in australia uh big
00:22:23.100 time um like any anytime we're doing anything they they sort of say oh you know channel 10 has learned
00:22:30.020 that nazis are coming to you know and then they they go on and that's usually like a day or two
00:22:34.900 beforehand um i mean the the you know it sounds like when we go of our national events the previous
00:22:42.980 one uh the one in brisbane which was six months earlier i mean uh they they didn't even um go
00:22:50.660 after people so much on the the protest march the day before they turned up with submachine guns and
00:22:56.660 helicopters and cordoned off the street to to try and raid the weightlifting event you know that
00:23:02.180 that's that's how um you know how crazy it is over here um you know so that was like a family
00:23:09.380 event it was nothing to do with the public it was just a private uh meetup where everyone was going
00:23:15.220 weight training and they were going to have a weightlifting competition in a private venue and
00:23:19.860 there were you know 100 100 cops showed up with submachine guns and and tried to uh tried to
00:23:25.300 to crash the event and they cordoned off the street and they had helicopters and the local
00:23:29.160 residents were like, what the hell's going on here? Why is that? Why are there, you know,
00:23:32.840 why are there police for submachine guns in my street? And it was just because the NSN 0.81
00:23:37.500 had decided to have a social event. That's kind of what they're like.
00:23:44.100 Now there's two Steves in the room, so I'll refer to Steve Hansen as Hansen.
00:23:49.980 Steve Hansen, will you go ahead?
00:23:51.520 I just wanted to put in there that I think it was on the march or like once you guys
00:24:00.120 had assembled at the war memorial that members that were arrested, they were charged with
00:24:06.780 wearing an article of disguise.
00:24:09.200 And being familiar with the NSN, I know that oftentimes you guys do protests with face
00:24:15.480 coverings to protect your anonymity.
00:24:17.440 but that day wasn't the decision made to be masked off
00:24:23.740 and the only sort of coverage on your face was sunnies
00:24:27.460 or sunglasses as we call them in North America.
00:24:30.420 So are sunnies now an article of disguise
00:24:33.180 according to the Australian government?
00:24:36.020 Pretty much, yeah.
00:24:37.820 Yeah, so we decided because a few weeks before
00:24:41.760 the Adelaide chapter had gone and done some activism
00:24:45.420 And they passed the laws against, no, sorry, they hadn't actually passed the laws banning masks yet in South Australia.
00:24:57.300 So they went mask on a couple of weeks before, knowing that it wasn't against the law.
00:25:05.020 So the police arrested them on an obscure law of wearing an article of disguise, which is basically for bank robbers.
00:25:13.660 wearing an article of disguise to commit a crime
00:25:16.480 basically is the full legislation
00:25:18.840 it goes back to the 1950s
00:25:22.000 I think this law was passed
00:25:23.480 so they were all on bail 1.00
00:25:26.860 with stupid bail conditions 1.00
00:25:28.420 based on wearing the masks 1.00
00:25:30.800 and so it was like
00:25:31.760 the mask was more of a thing for us
00:25:35.360 than trying to disguise us
00:25:37.380 unlike what is claimed by our opponents
00:25:40.700 so it was like
00:25:42.180 Well, if you want to join in this time, guys, it's going to be mask off.
00:25:47.320 So anybody who doesn't want to get doxxed at their job and stuff, don't join in.
00:25:54.660 And I think there were only like three or four people who were in that situation
00:25:59.060 where they had a high-paying job that they couldn't afford to lose.
00:26:03.100 So pretty much nearly all of us decided to go ahead with it.
00:26:06.540 So, yeah, we were Hatton Sunnies.
00:26:09.420 and the ones who got charged with wearing an item of disguise
00:26:14.100 had a bucket hat with a rim on
00:26:16.700 and the ones who weren't charged with wearing an article of disguise
00:26:20.620 were people who were wearing a black cap.
00:26:22.700 So I was wearing a black cap in Sunnies
00:26:24.640 so I didn't get charged with wearing an article of disguise
00:26:27.140 whereas the ones who had a rimmed hat
00:26:29.120 they were charged with wearing an article of disguise.
00:26:31.540 So there you go.
00:26:34.940 So it wasn't even the Sunnies, it was the style of hat.
00:26:38.020 it was a combination yeah so if you if you had a sunny like if you're wearing a hat on its own
00:26:47.860 you're okay if you're wearing sunnies and a cap you're okay but if you're wearing sunnies and a
00:26:53.120 bucket hat well you're in trouble and i guess it's because the bucket hat yeah the bucket hat
00:26:59.200 covers i guess a little bit more than a baseball hat is that their logic or i'm assuming so yes 0.87
00:27:04.640 yes sombreros and hijabs from here on in boys yeah wouldn't it have been funny if you guys 0.95
00:27:11.180 tried that with the hijab i what would they do then it's like a chinese finger trap 0.96
00:27:16.120 then they would get us on cultural appropriation and uh disrespecting uh the muslims that's right 0.87
00:27:25.400 that's right um so i i suppose like there is sort of what how they treated you because you
00:27:32.640 held in remand and so we've had a situation in canada where um there were some men they were
00:27:39.360 called the coots four and they've been held they were held in remand i don't know the exact number
00:27:44.560 of days but it was like at least it was over 200 around 725 to 740 days something like that two years
00:27:55.760 yeah held in remand you know the the charges were very serious though they appeared quite trumped
00:28:04.520 up and um you know they were they're being denied the actual process of justice and that was the
00:28:11.820 punishment in itself right and you know some of them had medical concerns and they weren't being
00:28:16.720 addressed and you know um some of them had you know particular like nutritional needs um and
00:28:24.400 those weren't being met and so they were getting quite sick in prison um so well and i call it
00:28:31.280 prison but it's a remand center it's different than prison because then in prison there is like
00:28:38.240 a standard of conduct and a standard of care um that doesn't necessarily need to be met in a remand
00:28:45.280 center because it's it's supposed to be like a holding tank temporarily for a weekend until
00:28:49.680 you're in front of a judge and then you know they channel you wherever you're going after that but
00:28:54.480 they just held these men in a purgatory um for a really really long time and often there is many
00:29:01.800 similarities between the justice system the political system in Canada and the United States
00:29:07.960 we have similar you know criminal politicians and you know we see similarities in the criminality
00:29:14.900 in our intelligence agencies and the police and you know how this plays out into you know
00:29:22.540 white nationalists ethno-nationalists um in in Canada and Australia sort of plays out very much
00:29:29.680 the same it doesn't matter what happens to us it's it's like the law doesn't need to apply
00:29:36.900 to equally and fairly towards us would you say that that was kind of your experience
00:29:43.260 in australia yeah i mean it actually goes much deeper and further i mean eventually they um
00:29:51.020 they got they realized that solitary confinement in the remand center was it wasn't working on
00:29:57.560 them so they sent me to the full prison a prison called yatala which is a maximum security um
00:30:03.960 people for convicted criminals um and there i learned that people were on remand in the main
00:30:10.860 prison um and the the issue of um basically holding people before trial and denying presumption
00:30:21.500 of innocence um it's systemic throughout the entire system it's not just being used politically
00:30:27.020 it's being used against anybody they don't like for any reason so my cellmate who they shoved me
00:30:33.240 into in with he was also on remand and he'd been on remand on trumped up charges for seven months
00:30:39.640 and then the last person i met in prison was a guy who was charged with murder um and he'd been
00:30:46.860 on remand for five years so basically waiting for trial for five years um now whether he was guilty
00:30:53.740 or not is not really the issue the issue is that if you're in a situation if you've got a situation
00:30:58.900 where you can be arrested and charged with something real or imagined and you've got to
00:31:05.400 wait five years before you get in front of a judge well that is something systemic in um in our
00:31:15.240 law and justice system which can eventually bring society down because it's if you don't have proper
00:31:22.500 rule of law and if we don't have presumption of innocence well then we don't have the very
00:31:27.300 foundation from which the british um system um managed to grow and uh and take over the world
00:31:35.480 with so you know this is the this is this goes back all the way to magna carta this this goes
00:31:41.640 back 800 years and it's just been somewhere along the line people weren't paying attention because 0.66
00:31:49.540 it was criminals that we were originally dealing with and who gives a fuck about criminals uh but
00:31:54.860 the repercussions go down the line for everybody.
00:31:58.820 So what happened to me, I realized,
00:32:01.580 wasn't something that they were exclusively doing
00:32:04.760 to political opponents.
00:32:06.360 It was something that they were doing as a matter of course.
00:32:10.060 And I was banging my head against a brick wall
00:32:13.260 with the magistrates when I was trying to tell them,
00:32:15.400 look, I have the presumption of innocence.
00:32:17.900 You can't do this to me.
00:32:19.680 You can't just do all of these things to me
00:32:23.320 and punish me more than what the sentence for being guilty
00:32:28.060 could punish me for, you know, because they held me for a crime
00:32:32.480 which has a maximum sentence of three months in jail,
00:32:35.540 and I was in there for four months, you know, and I was in solitary.
00:32:39.700 And so it should have been a, if I'd been convicted,
00:32:42.320 it would have been, you know, if I was going to get prison at all,
00:32:45.880 it would be a minimum security prison,
00:32:47.540 and I was in a maximum security prison with murderers and rapists
00:32:50.240 and drug addicts and stuff.
00:32:53.320 So, the punishment, the process is the punishment now, and that's just systemic across all of Australia, and I've seen it in England, and obviously what you just told me now sounds like it's systemic all across the Western world, that we have got a situation where the court process can simply hold people indefinitely, waiting for trial, whenever the police or prosecution or judges decide they don't like someone.
00:33:19.980 hanson you want to jump in there buddy yeah just a question on that because i imagine it's similar
00:33:29.320 in australia here in canada uh the crown has believe it's 30 months to prosecute um charges
00:33:40.140 that are uh like indictable offenses so i'm wondering aside from just utter corruption
00:33:47.220 and negligence of following due process like how can they justify holding a man
00:33:54.400 for five years in remand when i would assume that they would only have a limited window from when
00:34:02.520 they charge him to when like they can have a trial and imagine if it's 30 months in canada
00:34:09.680 something similar in australia i have no idea to be honest what the law is i can only say what's
00:34:16.960 happened and what is happening um i've i've the guy i met personally was five years but i've heard
00:34:23.420 a story of seven years so like like the longest person to be held in remand was in remand for
00:34:28.700 seven years i think is the record here in australia um but yeah i mean obviously it's
00:34:34.300 like with everything if people aren't aware of it and people aren't um you know complaining
00:34:39.820 about it then it goes undetected and until it gets detected and um and so like one of the things that
00:34:49.580 um my case has been able to do is is is basically bring to light just how bad the justice system has
00:34:57.140 become and how um normalized it is i mean none of the magistrates i dealt with seem to even think
00:35:04.520 that anything you know they were they were like surprised i even brought up magna carta to them
00:35:09.260 me they were like what are you talking about you know this is normal this is what we do you know
00:35:13.440 and he was trying to justify you know what he was doing to me by saying well you know if a bank
00:35:19.940 robber was blah blah blah blah blah and he was giving me all of these analogies and I'm like
00:35:24.580 what on earth are you talking about mate but it was all normal to this magistrate
00:35:29.140 that this was obviously something he was doing on a daily basis and thought nothing of it this
00:35:34.900 was just habit this was just normal for him well obviously when you know australians celebrate
00:35:43.900 australia day it causes the death of like six million abos right oh at least yeah yeah every 0.95
00:35:51.140 year i mean there's there's a there's a holocaust that goes on every year here mate 0.82
00:35:54.300 you know and don't you dare don't you dare question it 0.87
00:35:57.940 laughing yeah it's like my friend likes to call it the lolocost you know and so it's gotten to
00:36:10.500 this point where it's just really funny posty do you have something yeah you want me to keep going
00:36:15.280 i was just gonna ask and it's kind of i don't know maybe it's a little bit philosophical but
00:36:19.400 unfortunately that's where my brain goes but like do you do you think that like i know obviously
00:36:24.100 the Australian government is is doing all this shit to discourage you know the NSN and 0.61
00:36:28.920 organizations like that but do you think that the you know major response to a lot of the stuff of 0.97
00:36:33.740 law enforcement is also to kind of give the public an image that you guys are really dangerous as
00:36:38.340 well yeah I think you know from what I gathered from the police when you know when I was looking
00:36:44.780 at the um the case they put together against me I mean uh the the these police officers they're
00:36:51.660 just as brainwashed as, as the public. I mean, they're absolutely like some of the things that
00:36:57.060 they were putting in the, in their case against me. I'm like, are you really that retarded? Um, 0.96
00:37:02.440 and yeah, I just think they are. So, um, uh, I think it's one of those situations that once
00:37:09.180 you're in an, in a cult, uh, which the police are, um, you believe the cult. Um, it's almost
00:37:17.220 like mass psychosis right like the you know like they have a mass psychosis uh everybody like
00:37:22.660 they're all following the you know the lead of of one or whatever the common uh thought or the
00:37:28.260 opinion i guess you could say yeah i mean they're just as hyped up by fear um as the general public
00:37:35.300 are um i mean as i said there was that uh there was that guy who who shot up all of the churches
00:37:42.180 in new zealand um a few years back you know nothing nothing to do with any of the nationalist
00:37:48.500 movement as far as i'm aware he um he was a leftist who went to israel and then came back
00:37:54.340 and all of a sudden had a bunch of guns um and then went around shooting muslims um not something
00:38:00.740 that the nsn would ever do or anybody anybody in our movement would ever do you know uh we're not 0.99
00:38:05.860 that stupid um but you know my my case they were they were bringing up this guy you know i i was 0.92
00:38:13.300 the next one of him i was i was i was as dangerous as this guy who went over to israel and came back 0.99
00:38:18.180 and shot up a bunch of churches in in new zealand so there you go that was their mentality you know
00:38:23.700 anybody who thinks this way is the next terrorist so um you know there's not much you can do against
00:38:30.580 brainwashing that deep well and it's wholly unsurprising that uh when the media reported
00:38:39.380 on the christ church shooter that they left out that important detail that he had gone to israel
00:38:45.240 before coming back and suddenly having a bunch of guns the country where it's pretty hard to get
00:38:50.980 those guns and then shot up that boss um i did also want to remark quickly the the evidence
00:38:59.560 of how um brainwashed and deranged the police are in australia is um the recording of the police
00:39:09.460 um on australia day where one of them was remarking about how he wanted to just off you guys
00:39:17.140 yeah i'm we've still got a like like something like four hours worth of footage and we've got
00:39:23.080 to um i'm seeing tom um tomorrow and hopefully he'll uh he'll have gone through the recordings
00:39:29.660 a bit more because um uh i was uh yeah not so much i wasn't um deliberately abused i was left
00:39:39.400 in a situation of being uh going through cramps in the back of the van and basically screaming
00:39:44.960 my head off in pain uh for about 10 minutes um and it's possible that that might have been
00:39:51.900 caught on uh recording as well which will be really good if it does in terms of um of suing 0.98
00:39:57.860 the bastards um because um yeah they basically sort of found me within in the back in the back 0.98
00:40:03.680 of the van in the cramped space with my hands behind my back um basically just going through 1.00
00:40:08.520 cramps uh and rather than take the cuffs off they they deliberately shut the door and left me to
00:40:14.020 suffer for a while um and so it's it's possible that that actually might be recorded as well
00:40:19.640 um so i'll hopefully find out the whether that was on the tape or not tomorrow but um yeah it's
00:40:26.700 they they uh they weren't particularly pleasant when they arrested us let's put it that way
00:40:33.300 so steve i guess i kind of want to i want to like want to philosophize with you a little bit right
00:40:40.980 now so we've got the nuts and bolts of what happened um and you know the the wheels of the
00:40:47.200 miscarriage of justice and you know how they're clunking down the tracks but there were there
00:40:53.480 were some things that you said when you were speaking with Blair and Joel that I I want to
00:40:57.980 expand upon and um and I I took one of my favorite clips um and I posted it to share about today's
00:41:06.360 um interview um but you were you were speaking to those who don't want to risk their house
00:41:12.700 their finances their job or jail time and and you were saying like yes it is horrible
00:41:20.160 but there is like having gone through this you were kind of like almost in a maybe it was because
00:41:28.260 you were just released but like there was a euphoria that came with it too because of what
00:41:33.680 it did to your self-esteem how it developed you spiritually um how it like carved you into a new
00:41:41.640 stronger men and i'm wondering if you could expand upon those changes in your character and even your
00:41:50.440 soul yeah and i've been preaching this stuff uh since the covid era um that if you want to make
00:42:02.860 change against a violent regime against a powerful regime you've really only got one tool at your
00:42:10.380 disposal and it's not us all standing together we keep getting told oh we all just stand together 0.94
00:42:16.800 we can defeat them well that's absolute bullshit i saw that um you know during the covid era we 0.91
00:42:24.320 had like the largest protests in australia's history there was like half a million people 0.98
00:42:28.780 in melbourne alone protesting about the vaxxers and then the next day everybody went back home
00:42:35.220 to work and realized well we weren't all we may have been all standing together you know chanting
00:42:41.060 against the government but uh the next day when you went back to work you were alone you were
00:42:47.060 alone and you had to face am i gonna keep my job or am i gonna lose my job and there was nobody
00:42:53.300 around you and it was all on you and what happened was 500 000 people to a million people went and
00:42:59.540 protested in australia on the saturday and then on the monday maybe a hundred thousand refused
00:43:08.740 you know and um and at the end of the day it's always going to be on you it's always going to
00:43:16.340 be on you the individual to take the choice of courage and yes there will always be
00:43:25.700 a consequence it's always going to be like you're the first person to do it
00:43:30.100 and you're going to feel alone and it's going to be like terrible and yeah and yes you may lose
00:43:35.380 your house and yes you may lose your job and yeah maybe your wife will leave you maybe you
00:43:40.820 maybe they'll take your kids away maybe you you won't you know if you don't wear the mask you'll
00:43:47.060 you'll miss that last moments with the dying relative because you didn't wear the mask
00:43:51.300 but that's always been the case that's always been the case and this is anybody who's anybody
00:43:58.560 who's a Christian or believes themselves to be a Christian this is the central message when Jesus
00:44:05.700 tells people you need to put God first you need to let go of everything in the world and put God
00:44:15.600 God first. And God can mean just the truth. God can mean your integrity. God can mean just doing
00:44:22.780 what's right. But that is the central message that resonates not just in Christianity, but down
00:44:29.760 through the ages. And we're promised that you will be rewarded if you are prepared to make that
00:44:36.680 sacrifice. And yeah, until you actually make that sacrifice, you don't know whether that's true or
00:44:42.960 not you keep thinking about that the reward will be after you die and that's where the reward be or
00:44:47.760 maybe maybe that's when you will get the reward maybe you won't get it in this life but all i
00:44:53.480 know is when me doing it when i did it um and my sacrifice was tiny in comparison to what people
00:45:01.560 have done throughout the ages but yeah i i just felt at peace it just felt so right it just felt
00:45:10.440 that my life finally has some meaning,
00:45:14.220 that I'm not just some random blob and amoeba
00:45:18.640 in an infinite universe whose purpose is just random.
00:45:22.960 It was just like, if I die tomorrow or if I die in 50 years,
00:45:27.780 I'll always have this moment where I know that I was here for something,
00:45:32.940 that my life meant something.
00:45:34.860 How much did it mean? I don't know, but it meant something.
00:45:38.660 And that's priceless.
00:45:40.060 it's worth more than your house
00:45:42.340 it's worth more than anything
00:45:44.000 it's worth more than your relationships
00:45:46.260 with other people
00:45:46.980 it's a foundation
00:45:49.800 it's a solid
00:45:50.860 shell
00:45:54.100 and
00:45:54.920 defense against everything
00:45:58.460 bad in the world
00:45:59.340 no matter what else they take from you
00:46:02.300 they can't, ultimately
00:46:04.160 you are you
00:46:04.920 and you've held on to you
00:46:07.680 and you've come out as you and um i i can't i can't express or explain enough just how
00:46:17.080 wonderful that is and how bulletproof that makes you regardless of what they do to you physically
00:46:23.720 or what they do to your u.s finances or people around you um so yeah i mean i don't recommend
00:46:31.360 people go out and seek martyrdom but if the choice is put to you if you're
00:46:36.540 basically put in a rock between a rock and a hard place and you have to choose
00:46:40.480 between one and the other then choose your integrity every time and I promise
00:46:44.880 you will be worth it I saw your hand up posty did you want to yeah I just well
00:46:52.320 it's not even really a question it's more like what I'm hearing from you
00:46:56.660 Stephen and I and I I guess I want to I guess I want to reiterate that it's the
00:47:00.840 the importance of faith because what I'm hearing what you're saying and it's kind of it's I'm a
00:47:05.540 little bit starstruck so you'll have to forgive my slobbering over some sort I'm not usually like
00:47:09.980 this um so your faith obviously got you through that and and was it your faith that helped you
00:47:17.280 and your wife and your family come to that decision because obviously that was you know
00:47:20.960 I'm sure very hard on not just you but your family as well and not a lot of women would agree to you
00:47:27.320 know have their husband be missing for six months and and away especially for something like this
00:47:32.380 um so would you agree i guess you would agree then that your faith has really
00:47:37.680 gotten you through it and the importance of faith like we should reiterate that importance of faith
00:47:42.100 um well both of us both both my wife and i have always just had a belligerent attitude
00:47:51.080 to wrongdoing and evil and we've long before because we didn't we didn't decide to become
00:47:59.480 christians until uh beginning of 2021 so we're fairly new as as christians and i was an atheist
00:48:06.860 for most most of my life um but there was i think there was something inside each and every one of
00:48:14.180 us that just bulks at evil that just bulks at lies um and for my wife and i we've always just
00:48:23.780 really really said stuff it whenever someone was doing something we knew to be wrong and i don't 0.61
00:48:31.520 give a fuck about the consequences for calling you out on it and i've lost gazillions of jobs 0.56
00:48:37.140 so what faith does 0.99
00:48:39.620 it just gives you that extra
00:48:41.380 it just gives you that extra protection
00:48:45.700 when you've got
00:48:46.900 because I've done things
00:48:49.240 and faced consequences
00:48:51.640 for doing what I believe to be right
00:48:53.320 before I was a Christian
00:48:54.660 and I've done it since being a Christian
00:48:57.340 and it's just a lot easier
00:48:59.680 when you've got faith
00:49:00.820 but the rewards long term are the same
00:49:04.000 regardless of whether you've got
00:49:05.740 whether you believe in God or don't.
00:49:10.420 You know, when I didn't believe in God
00:49:12.080 and I stood up to, you know, bad employers and stuff
00:49:14.440 and I got sacked, I still felt good about myself.
00:49:18.620 And so I would say that this principle is universal
00:49:22.140 regardless of what you believe.
00:49:24.520 But once you sort of believe that there is
00:49:28.600 sort of a higher being behind all of this
00:49:32.080 and that the universe fits together for a reason,
00:49:34.440 then it just brings
00:49:37.300 that satisfaction to a whole new level 0.77
00:49:40.180 as for my wife
00:49:43.220 I mean I've had this cathartic experience
00:49:46.420 my wife has just been traumatized by it
00:49:49.540 so you know I've come out
00:49:52.680 sort of feeling wonderful and I think it's much easier for men
00:49:55.700 because men are just naturally
00:49:58.780 built for confrontation and competition
00:50:01.680 and we love the fight 1.00
00:50:03.120 my wife can fight 0.95
00:50:05.960 and she's tenacious 1.00
00:50:07.700 and absolutely vicious 1.00
00:50:09.960 in a fight
00:50:10.700 but it doesn't leave her feeling great
00:50:13.980 afterwards
00:50:14.640 it takes a toll on my wife
00:50:17.300 I think it takes a toll 1.00
00:50:19.440 on women more generally
00:50:20.840 so she's still going through that experience
00:50:24.220 but at the same time
00:50:25.240 she has never ever
00:50:27.800 ever allowed
00:50:29.620 bullies 0.98
00:50:31.200 To take advantage of her 1.00
00:50:34.220 And even if it leaves her
00:50:35.940 A bubbling 1.00
00:50:38.200 Crying mess on the floor
00:50:40.000 For years afterwards
00:50:41.620 She's just always
00:50:44.100 Had that yes this has 0.93
00:50:45.880 Fucked me over pretty badly
00:50:47.380 But I will never ever ever submit 1.00
00:50:49.760 My wife's just got that in her 1.00
00:50:51.740 Cause I'm a fucking bitch 1.00
00:50:53.820 Yeah 1.00
00:50:55.140 There we go 1.00
00:50:56.180 She's got that in her 1.00
00:51:00.320 But it takes a toll on women 1.00
00:51:02.040 Don't fuck with me or my family 1.00
00:51:03.620 Yeah, but it takes a much bigger toll 1.00
00:51:06.240 On women than it does on men 0.94
00:51:07.860 And men need to realize 0.88
00:51:10.220 That it may invigorate us 1.00
00:51:12.600 But it fucks your wife up 1.00
00:51:14.020 So everything you can do to make your wife 1.00
00:51:16.080 Make that 0.97
00:51:18.120 Easier on your wife, do so
00:51:19.960 Because, yeah, she's the real hero
00:51:22.080 In all of this, I mean, she was the one who had to 0.99
00:51:23.960 To deal with the shit on the outside 0.99
00:51:26.440 And had to, you know 0.99
00:51:27.620 Had to sort of keep the house going
00:51:30.240 and pay the bills and all the rest of it.
00:51:32.020 All I had to do was lie in prison and read books all day.
00:51:35.640 So, you know, it was much easier for me than it was for her.
00:51:39.140 Well, I'm glad she's here.
00:51:41.020 And I definitely, Mrs. Band, if you can hang on a sec,
00:51:45.120 because I might like to direct a few questions towards you, dear.
00:51:48.660 But we brought up Frank Da Silva, who, you know,
00:51:53.660 is a veteran in political dissidence in America.
00:51:57.720 and he's an author and um he still continues to coach on the nationalists in um all over the
00:52:07.400 world as and he tries to keep us in line and steer the ship and so i'm sure frank has a few things
00:52:15.040 to share go ahead frank yeah thanks uh listen this this comment is directed to both the husband
00:52:24.060 and the wife um your name your name is steve is that correct yes okay well it's a pleasure to
00:52:31.900 meet you look guys um without going down the rabbit hole because this is your space this is
00:52:36.920 your time um i was in the gulag over 10 years and everything i mean literally everything that
00:52:44.000 you said about your wife and your experiences is spot on so everybody you know pay attention
00:52:51.200 When a man and a woman in this case, I'll address both of those issues, but when a man goes through
00:52:56.960 suffering and sacrifice, only one of two things happens. He is either completely destroyed,
00:53:04.400 and I mean, when I say destroyed, I mean there is a fascinating observation to see the evolutionary
00:53:11.520 disruption that occurs in the middle of pain and suffering and sacrifice. So that adage,
00:53:19.600 what does not kill you makes you stronger is true if you survive and you are mission oriented so
00:53:26.800 in my case my wife went through the same thing that your missus did and she had to field on
00:53:33.680 occasion you know discussions with the fbi with other uh intelligence uh agencies and that kind
00:53:40.640 of thing and she stood strong they went out she was pregnant she was like six months five six
00:53:46.480 months pregnant and they said they were going to take our unborn son and give it to a black family
00:53:53.200 you know typical kind of psychological attacks and that kind of thing but she weathered the storm
00:54:00.320 for me and i was weathering the storm for the larger the larger events which is the dichotomy
00:54:08.000 that steve was talking about but also a belief in a higher power in god and the love of my family
00:54:15.360 they could not disrupt or destroy any of us either of us no matter what they did for all of those
00:54:23.040 years and i came home to my family i had to raise my children over the phone and or at least attempt
00:54:30.240 to and so on and so forth and they kept us apart for four years and ultimately i got to see my
00:54:36.720 my children my wife and all that that's another story though but look steve um i'm listening to
00:54:43.600 you i can i can tell you know how the situation kind of humbled you away but it also gave you a
00:54:52.000 very great education you can't pay anybody to give you the ins and outs of how your mind works what
00:55:00.080 makes you strong what you believe in if you believe in our people if you believe in your
00:55:05.520 national state you know i don't really know you well enough to make a comment on what motivates
00:55:11.280 you, but we're in this struggle. Everybody in this space who is a true believer, and that's an
00:55:17.600 interesting concept in and of itself. True believers can manifestly overcome anything
00:55:24.160 that's given to them. And that's why I always give kudos to the left over the last 60, 70 years.
00:55:30.640 These guys have been thrown in prison. They've been killed. They've been doing this.
00:55:34.880 We are going through our own birthing pains. So Steve, welcome to the club.
00:55:41.280 I'm sorry to say that, Mrs. Band, but the kind of strength that you brought to bear
00:55:47.000 is only going to be asked for more as you go down the road.
00:55:51.320 Hopefully, the two of you have become more intelligent.
00:55:55.200 You are able to read the room, as they say, know the, you know, the, not the boundaries,
00:56:01.760 but the landmarks as you go.
00:56:04.500 Your family will get nothing but stronger.
00:56:06.360 And I'm already very much inclined to be a supporter of the both of you.
00:56:12.420 And if you can always look at the world through each other's eyes and give yourselves, you know, a hug and a kiss.
00:56:20.640 And I don't know if you have children or not, but those children are worth dying for, literally, in the cause of giving them a better future.
00:56:30.440 So I'll end it here and just say that thank you for coming on to the space, both of you.
00:56:35.160 And I really, really am endeared by your comments and commentary, and I sincerely wish that this space will show you the type of respect and support that any of us who go through something that they believe in and they pay a price for it, when they come out as strong or stronger, these are the kind of people that I'm going to pay attention to.
00:56:59.520 So thank you very much, and thanks for the mic.
00:57:03.920 Thanks, Frank.
00:57:05.160 beautifully said Stephen you might need to unmute just sometimes there's feedback when you're not
00:57:11.500 speaking but if you press unmute you can follow up on that yeah I just want to say you know thank
00:57:19.400 you for the kind words and yeah and there's always you know you tell your own story and you feel
00:57:28.520 like you haven't really done very much and then you because you then because you know there are
00:57:33.860 people like the gentleman who just spoke
00:57:35.720 who've gone through a lot
00:57:36.740 harder struggles than yourself
00:57:39.600 and my
00:57:41.360 respect just to that man
00:57:43.660 for what he's
00:57:45.880 gone through because it obviously sounds
00:57:47.440 a hell of a lot worse and a lot tougher
00:57:49.780 than what I had to go through
00:57:51.020 but yeah
00:57:53.160 I completely
00:57:55.660 and utterly agree with him
00:57:56.560 things like this
00:57:59.280 is what life's about
00:58:01.180 this is what makes life worth living
00:58:03.560 um and it may not feel so at the time but uh if you ever find yourself in a predicament where
00:58:12.020 um you're standing on principle and um they're throwing the kitchen sink at you
00:58:17.660 just know that no matter how bad it gets it's worth it it really is worth it just stick with
00:58:24.140 it uh and there were a couple of times i mean there was a time when um when my wife uh told
00:58:31.820 me to you know accept the bail conditions and come come home uh and i was you know bawling my
00:58:37.860 eyes out on the phone saying please don't ask this of me and um you know because if i if if i
00:58:44.060 come home it's not going to be me who comes home it'll be just a shell who comes home you know so
00:58:50.080 there's a heart-wrenching conversation that she taped of me just bawling down the phone saying
00:58:55.320 please don't ask me to come home because if i do there'll be nothing of stephen wells left
00:59:00.620 they'll just be
00:59:01.980 everything that I am, everything that I believe
00:59:04.960 I won't be able
00:59:07.040 to hold my face in public again
00:59:08.600 and I won't be able to do anything again
00:59:10.880 it won't be your husband
00:59:12.860 that you get back, it'll be something else
00:59:14.720 and she relented
00:59:17.080 and dug deep
00:59:19.960 and allowed me to
00:59:22.540 and gave me her support for me to stay 0.98
00:59:25.020 in jail 0.95
00:59:25.460 and then the next day 0.70
00:59:28.900 you know the very next day she asked people just to give some words of support after she
00:59:34.920 after after she decided to to not ask for me to come home anymore and we were just overwhelmed
00:59:41.700 with messages of support and um saying stick with it and stay strong and everything else
00:59:48.820 just validating that the decision that we've made to to stick with it when it got really dark so
00:59:54.560 you know if it ever gets dark for you if ever any of you are in that in a situation like mine or
01:00:02.900 you know that has an analogy with mine and it gets really dark that's when faith matters and
01:00:12.360 it's uh it doesn't need to be in faith in god just faith just means doing things when it looks like
01:00:18.820 there's no hope when all hope is gone and you think that everything is lost and you just hang 0.91
01:00:25.720 on and do it anyway because you're just a stubborn bastard um it's after those moments when you get 0.94
01:00:33.440 the real rewards and and that happened very much for us after we had our darkest moment when i was 0.98
01:00:39.180 in prison and um and the next day we were just overwhelmed with you know people sending us
01:00:45.500 messages for support from, you know, from USA, Canada, Spain, you know, all over the
01:00:50.460 world, we were just inundated with messages of support saying, you know, keep doing what
01:00:56.600 you're doing. And, and that gave us strength. And so all the people who, who did send messages
01:01:03.160 of support, you know, it really did make a difference. It was, we got really low at some
01:01:10.680 points and um and your support it made a difference so thank you to all of those people who uh who
01:01:18.760 sent in messages of support um and yeah again i'll just keep repeating myself it's worth it
01:01:28.040 it's worth it whenever you're afraid of what they might do to you do it anyway it's worth it i promise
01:01:35.000 you that is i'm i'm trying not this sounds really you know silly but i'm trying not to cry because
01:01:43.880 that's very powerful at least to me because i kind of feel like a lot of us have uh been in
01:01:49.560 that position right where we're kind of stuck between you know what we really want to do and
01:01:54.040 what you know society expects us to do or what we have to do for our job or stuff like that i mean
01:01:58.680 covid was the biggest thing right so um steve did you have your hand up and because i know extra has
01:02:04.360 his hand up as well so i don't know if this is an old hand or yeah okay go ahead chime in here
01:02:10.700 so stephen you and i both have a namesake in the bible which is the first martyr of christianity
01:02:18.020 i think that's quite quite appropriate for you um acts chapter 7 read uh he basically spoke out
01:02:27.500 about the evil that the evildoers were doing and was uh summarily stoned to death outside
01:02:34.300 of the walls of the city and um i think you are an absolute legend in my books for having
01:02:43.580 the courage in your convictions to you know not accept the conditions not take the easy path out
01:02:51.580 and you're a leader and an example to all of us for doing so you remarked at the beginning of
01:02:59.180 the space that your wife had expressed concern that you might get arrested before you left for
01:03:05.340 South Australia which I mean going from Perth to South Australia is uh it's like the other side of
01:03:12.200 the continent right so for Americans I'd be like going from say Seattle to Columbus Ohio or going
01:03:20.200 from calgary alberta to toronto um did you know at the time when you left to partake in this activism
01:03:30.040 that if you were arrested that you wouldn't accept the conditions and um and if not at what point did
01:03:37.480 did you really get stuck in and decide you know why i'm not taking the easy way out i'm going to
01:03:42.920 fight this um you know uh maintain my innocence not plead guilty and basically stick it to the man
01:03:53.640 um i i didn't know like even though you know it was just like a sort of a feeling
01:03:59.480 the a feeling of sort of uh something that i was going to get arrested that was that was
01:04:06.520 about as far as it went in terms of the premonition that something would happen
01:04:09.560 um my wife from the the premonition of getting arrested uh had 0.98
01:04:17.480 mounting fears that i would never be released if i was arrested she thought i would die in prison
01:04:25.120 if i was arrested and that was not so much the premonition that was just her knowledge of my
01:04:31.980 temperament before i went in which is just somebody who's likely to fly off the handle
01:04:38.880 and have them use an excuse to do horrible things to.
01:04:45.660 So that was her fear of me going in,
01:04:48.260 and that's why she was so anxious to get me out,
01:04:53.200 was because she feared not so much what they would do to me
01:04:58.860 if I was just a prisoner.
01:05:01.400 She feared what I might be able to give them an excuse to do.
01:05:05.320 because, you know, I've had a lot of issues with rage over my life
01:05:11.820 when I'm being bullied.
01:05:15.060 And so she feared that I would do something 0.88
01:05:18.020 which would give them an excuse to kill me.
01:05:20.660 So, or give them an excuse to keep me in jail forever and ever and ever.
01:05:25.220 So that was her thing.
01:05:27.740 But I mean, yeah, going over there,
01:05:31.540 I've been preaching to everybody since the COVID era
01:05:35.100 that you couldn't let them use coercion to stop you.
01:05:41.900 I mean, what they did in the COVID era
01:05:43.860 was pretty much what they did to me in the bail conditions,
01:05:46.520 which was they want you to do something really small and simple.
01:05:51.540 Put on a mask.
01:05:53.180 Put on a mask, but then on the flip side of not putting on the mask,
01:05:58.280 they just put these consequences, which are just so over the top.
01:06:02.840 you can't see your dying relative on the last days of their life
01:06:07.720 unless you put a mask on.
01:06:10.300 And that, to me, is like, that's just the ultimate evil.
01:06:13.880 Because what they want, they don't just want you to comply.
01:06:17.740 They don't just want to force you to do the things they want you to do.
01:06:21.560 They want you to consent.
01:06:24.020 And they want you to consent to their evil.
01:06:28.840 They want you to become evil themselves.
01:06:30.740 They want you to give up your soul and to give up your integrity so you can become like them.
01:06:39.820 And that, to me, is just the ultimate evil, that they were prepared to do such ruthless consequences.
01:06:49.380 And then they hold out this just tiny little bit of temptation.
01:06:55.100 Just do this little thing.
01:06:58.720 Just put that mask on.
01:07:00.460 Just let go of your integrity for this little thing.
01:07:04.880 Why would you risk this horrible consequence to stop just doing this little tiny thing
01:07:11.320 which is so easy?
01:07:12.700 Just put the mask on.
01:07:14.200 Just sign the bail conditions.
01:07:16.680 It's not that hard.
01:07:18.040 It's so easy.
01:07:18.980 Why wouldn't you do that?
01:07:20.020 Don't you want to see your wife again?
01:07:22.220 Don't you want to see your dying relative again?
01:07:24.680 and why would you put your family through all of this hell just sign the bail condition Steve and
01:07:33.580 this is what they were doing to me before I had that breakdown with my wife and it's evil and
01:07:39.540 once you understand that that is just pure malicious evil to get somebody to just start
01:07:49.680 down the road of giving up their integrity and putting all of this absolute horror for
01:07:57.840 refusing to give up your integrity on a just just just a little thing and then you do the little
01:08:04.000 thing and people did the little thing with the mask you know they did that little thing
01:08:08.160 they wore the mask and then the next time when it came to work to doing the vaccine
01:08:14.480 their their resolve had already been chipped away at their integrity had already been diminished
01:08:19.680 because they wore the vaccine they wore the mask and that's what it's about and that's why you've
01:08:26.240 got to fight them on the little things and the more you fight them on the little things and the
01:08:31.200 worst the consequences there are for not doing the little things the more and more important it is 0.98
01:08:36.960 to hold firm and expose these bastards for the evil that they are you know to really really go no 0.99
01:08:45.440 No. Don't put this on me. Don't put this on me that my grandmother died alone because I didn't wear a mask. 1.00
01:08:55.760 Don't put that on me. That's on you fuckers. You did that. 1.00
01:09:00.520 You're the one who put me in this position. You're the one who denied me seeing my dying relative.
01:09:08.620 You're the ones. And I'm going to expose it by saying no to you.
01:09:12.500 And yeah, it's going to cost me and it's going to break me and it's going to tear me apart and I'm going to hurt for the rest of my life.
01:09:19.980 But don't ever, ever think that I'm going to feel guilty for what you did to me.
01:09:25.500 That's what it's about. 1.00
01:09:27.160 And that's what you've got to hold on to when these fuckers do these things to you. 0.99
01:09:31.500 That's why it's important to stand up, because if you don't stand up, you know, from the schoolyard. 1.00
01:09:36.900 You know, from the schoolyard that the bully asked for something small first.
01:09:42.500 And then they ask for something more.
01:09:44.340 It doesn't stop.
01:09:45.960 So if you don't stop it at the mask stage,
01:09:48.760 if you don't stop it at the bail conditions phase,
01:09:51.960 if you bow to them when it's easy to bow to them,
01:09:56.620 then the next thing you know,
01:09:58.580 you'll be down the line
01:09:59.900 and they'll be wanting to put poison in your veins this time.
01:10:04.360 You know, it's the playbook of the evil.
01:10:07.340 So I knew that before I went in there
01:10:09.960 and I didn't know what they were going to do to me,
01:10:11.620 but i've been preaching about this for since for five years and so when i was put in that situation
01:10:18.080 it was it was just like a no-brainer from me because i'd already been like talking about it
01:10:23.060 and i'd only be a hypocrite if i didn't follow through with it you know if i if i wasn't gonna
01:10:28.840 you know walk the walk as well as just talk the talk so you know i i had it slightly easier in
01:10:35.280 the fact that i've been shooting my mouth off about it for five years previously and so to
01:10:40.940 then be put in that situation and not go through with it well it'd be very very hard to live it
01:10:45.100 down um and that moment when i was on the phone with my wife and she was begging me to come home
01:10:50.780 um again you know i had it easier in the fact that i'd already shot my mouth off so i had that
01:10:59.060 that uh that force that counterbalancing force against the pull and the and the agony and the
01:11:06.080 pain of of not wanting to um to upset my wife um which other people had during the covid with with
01:11:14.680 their grandmother or whatever um but i was lucky in the fact that i had been shooting my mouth for
01:11:20.120 five years so it was it was much much more of um a hypocritical situation for me to to fold
01:11:28.760 than other people who folded so if you did fold during covid don't feel bad you didn't put
01:11:36.080 all this expectation on you that i put on myself before i went into prison so it would have been
01:11:41.520 very very difficult for me to uh to take the bail conditions after you know blabbing my mouth off for
01:11:49.360 five years before um but at the same time now that i've actually done it i can say now with much more
01:11:56.720 confidence to people this is the way forward this is what you have to do this is the attitude that
01:12:02.480 you need to have if you want to defeat these people um it's sacrifice it's always been self-sacrifice
01:12:08.800 it's not terrorism it's not violence it's not uprising that's what the left do because the
01:12:13.200 left just want to destroy and they don't care about the consequences of their violence we do
01:12:18.720 we we don't want to destroy our society want to preserve it and rebuild it and restore it again
01:12:24.800 and you can't do that with violence you can only do it with self-sacrifice
01:12:28.160 so yeah it was it was an easy decision for me just due to the five years previously um but now
01:12:36.380 that i've done it and i've gone through it and i've had that moment of you know a moment of truth
01:12:41.980 where you know i'm literally crying on the phones of my wife saying begging her not to
01:12:47.360 asking me to come home and and she supported me and we've gone through it and forward together
01:12:53.560 having had that moment and come to the other side of it i can now not just preach it i can now
01:13:00.360 retell it as an experience and encourage people but yes it's worth it it means something and
01:13:08.580 you won't regret doing it and i can say that from experience now rather than just
01:13:13.640 preaching uh to people about it so um yeah i've gone on for a while i'll shut up for a while
01:13:19.140 absolutely amazing just before you go to extra i did want to um remark that there's a beautiful song
01:13:29.860 by the recently deceased greg arcade about the couture who we addressed earlier called letters
01:13:36.900 of hope and when you mentioned the messages of support being very influential and reassuring
01:13:44.100 and you've been able to keep your strength through this experience,
01:13:49.300 I encourage you to check out that song.
01:13:51.820 It will probably put a knot in your throat, as you've just said for me,
01:13:57.100 but that's a very beautiful song,
01:13:58.940 and it encouraged a lot of people in Canada to send letters of hope to those men
01:14:05.120 while they were in remand over their trumped-up charges for attending the Trucker Convoy.
01:14:10.740 you know Stephen so much of what you've said is like I think it resonates deeply with all of us
01:14:17.800 because many of us were also on the anti-COVID train and for those of us in Canada we were in
01:14:27.220 a really really dark place until we had a moment of emancipation when we had the trucker convoy
01:14:34.980 and suddenly we were all ripping off our masks and we were all hugging each other and we were 0.99
01:14:42.060 saying you know like it was a big giant fuck you to this mass psychosis that we were under 0.97
01:14:48.500 but you know we were afraid they were going to send us to quarantine camp so we like my 0.99
01:14:55.260 imagination was playing very serious tricks on me and and I too had that moment where I was a nurse
01:15:03.560 you know and I was just doing my job and I was working my ass off and these really really long
01:15:08.720 shifts and and it started with the masks and it started with the hand sanitizer and you know it's
01:15:14.900 like if you want to keep your job and so you know I I would do it but I was always I was always in
01:15:20.640 trouble because I was always cheating because grandma can't understand me when I have a mask
01:15:25.820 on my face so I was always pulling it down so I could communicate with her better and I was
01:15:30.600 somehow always getting caught and then they were just getting closer and closer and closer to me 0.99
01:15:35.840 with that needle and I had this like giant like fuck you I quit I'm not doing this and um it was 0.99
01:15:44.180 pretty dark though until we felt emancipated by all these big beautiful men who showed up 0.99
01:15:51.080 in ottawa with trucks and started honking um our honking our way to freedom and so 0.89
01:15:59.320 it's very deeply deeply relatable what you're saying it was a honka cause honka cost it was
01:16:06.460 a honka cost yeah exactly we had a big giant honka cost um and you know that's where i met
01:16:13.060 a lot of these beautiful people who are in this room today but i would like to um direct this now
01:16:19.040 to our dear friend extra extrapolations and i'm sure he has uh something to share and something
01:16:26.000 to ask please go ahead extra all right well thanks very much that's very kind of you based
01:16:33.360 um first of all look i better say to stephen there i was listening uh since the beginning
01:16:39.920 and um i was feeling quite tired and i just thought yeah i'll just you know continue to listen
01:16:44.800 but i felt that i was obliged to come up and congratulate you on showing such a solid character
01:16:54.640 um and describing not just what you went through uh so stoically but um i think just while i was
01:17:03.280 waiting to talk to you i think that the real pinnacle there was when you said to your wife
01:17:09.040 please don't ask me to do this thing to quit on yourself essentially or to compromise on your
01:17:15.360 principles um you know i it nearly look i'm not i don't want to be modern here but it did genuinely
01:17:21.920 uh nearly bring me to tears there i could imagine that if i was watching it in a movie that i'd be
01:17:27.040 saying the screenwriter is deliberately trying to put in these things to elicit the maximum amount
01:17:33.040 of uh sort of emotional uh vibration in me that i can't help but try to choke down a tear you know
01:17:40.960 and yes i totally believe that you are not embellishing anything there that it's exactly
01:17:45.600 real life is how it happened now i'm not trying to flatter you either and i think you probably
01:17:49.600 understand that as well it's just i recognize exactly uh the kind of character uh that you
01:17:55.280 are and um how you're just describing exactly what happened and i wish that i lived in a world full
01:18:01.360 of men who could in solidarity stand together and then it would be all over um i suppose i'll
01:18:08.720 continue on this line of track and i'll dial it back then in a moment um you described as well how
01:18:14.880 in australia and look maybe i'll try and go easy on the canadians yes it was lovely for a while
01:18:19.360 there but just like in australia all good things came to an end rather abruptly when everybody had
01:18:25.840 to go back to work or when the police uh suddenly got in people's faces maybe in canada and everyone
01:18:30.800 well it's a bit cold and we kind of have to go home and you know obviously we can't fight the
01:18:33.600 police so we better go home uh or you know whoever represented them politically uh decided to sort of
01:18:39.520 you know wishy-washy it away or get corrupted in some kind of financial scandal and uh then in
01:18:44.560 australia they started bringing out you know new exotic weapons like microwave and you know
01:18:49.520 frequency weapons and this sort of stuff uh and people said well let's get a bit serious and
01:18:54.160 anyway i have the kids to go home to and if you know my job and all this sort of stuff i have to
01:18:57.760 get back to you know a long way to get home i have to start getting on the road if i want to
01:19:01.280 get home it's been nice as though it was just a weekend away at the touring cars or at a sports
01:19:06.240 ball engagement or whatever you know because most people never really intended to see anything
01:19:11.840 through to the bitter end from the word go they never really thought about why they were doing
01:19:16.960 anything really they wanted camaraderie uh temporary feeling that they weren't alone but
01:19:23.120 what they weren't prepared prepared for was to go to the very end of things alone on their own
01:19:28.880 totally if necessary now i have never been in a position exactly like you but i have experienced
01:19:35.280 this where i've been tested several times uh where i've thought that i was with a lot of people who
01:19:40.640 all felt a certain way and we're going up against a larger vastly more powerful financially never
01:19:47.440 other way uh entity and uh everybody else buckled uh and i refused to and i was prepared to pay the
01:19:55.200 punishment for that or pay the toll for it i'll dial it back a little bit now just say that um
01:20:00.960 it's not about me i'm just trying to say that i understand what you're what you're saying and i
01:20:04.080 hope if i'm tested as you have been that i i will not let myself down um we tend not to talk about
01:20:11.520 theological stuff here on 1498 or WER but this is not a theological thing it's simply referring to
01:20:18.560 a well-known story. A lot of Christians you know are taught yes they must suffer and this kind of
01:20:25.040 thing but really they might look at a story like Peter and say well it's okay to deny Christ or
01:20:32.720 they might look at Judas and say you know it's okay to betray him it's all right you've got to
01:20:36.640 look after yourself they'll look at those kind of stories that give them an excuse to be a coward
01:20:40.400 because there were always carrots from the beginning and that's what they'll look that's
01:20:44.280 what they'll find in any story they'll look for any excuse to really give themselves an excuse to
01:20:49.420 do what they were going to do anyway now I won't wax on too much longer uh but what you described
01:20:55.700 also reminded me of the story of Jesus who pretty much knew what was going to happen ultimately in
01:21:00.080 the end anyway even if he couldn't see exactly the future and anybody would be sort of maybe a little
01:21:06.400 bit uh you know full of a certain amount of trepidation but could I see it through can I
01:21:13.640 see it through it's going to be tough can I suffer this am I capable of doing it and the devil of
01:21:19.420 course says to well you know if you'll just submit to me just bow down to me and I'll make it all go
01:21:24.460 away and make your life easier but it's not just as simple as well I don't have to do anything other
01:21:29.560 than just say okay fine I'll do whatever you say and that's why I began to see that even if I wasn't 1.00
01:21:35.120 a Christian necessarily are certainly not the same as these other fair weather Christians 0.85
01:21:38.840 that there's a very obvious lesson in that and what do you value in life 1.00
01:21:43.080 and I think that for me even if I was to call myself a Christian or not it doesn't matter I
01:21:48.580 think there's certain men that they're born that they say it's not about acquiring things in life
01:21:52.620 it's about holding on to something that you came into this world and you really want to leave this
01:21:56.580 world without having given it away and that's what it strikes me that you want to hold on to too and
01:22:02.680 you have very successfully proven that you're willing to do what it takes to hang on to it so
01:22:06.760 i congratulate you and your wife and i just basically felt that i was duty-bound to tell you
01:22:13.080 that you really have impressed me with your character and i followed you obviously there
01:22:18.840 and i hope to hear more from you you're you're a great man and you inspire me to want to be a
01:22:24.440 great man as well when my time comes so thank you really it's not a question just to say thank you
01:22:29.400 thank you very much i feel overwhelmed um with with um sentiment uh when people say things like
01:22:38.300 that to me um and i'm i'm sure that other people who've gone through tribulations and and had
01:22:45.620 people uh say nice things about them that they feel the same that they feel well i didn't really
01:22:50.260 do that much um but that's the thing um you know you you uh you do something that it just feels
01:22:59.740 normal and right to do and you then find lots of people saying all of these nice things about you
01:23:07.180 and you're like well i i didn't really do that much um but i do still appreciate it um because
01:23:13.880 it does it you know it is overwhelming to get that kind of um um that kind of recognition from
01:23:23.360 people when when you all i see when i'm when i look at what i've done you know i look at people
01:23:29.660 like you know my my saint's namesake i look at all of the people who mark who were martyred i
01:23:33.880 look at all the people in the soviet union who were tortured to death and um you know you read
01:23:39.880 some of the works of Stalin and things like that and you go wow could I would I be strong enough
01:23:46.360 to go through something like that like I don't think I could I could handle torture I don't
01:23:50.280 think I could you don't know um all you know is that you go into things um and you just go in
01:24:00.200 with the attitude that i'll hold on for as long as i can um i mean i i had a
01:24:06.800 like i i decided not to wear the prison clothes when i came in just because i was being belligerent
01:24:13.640 and i was pissed off with every with the way i've been treated and um and and i didn't know what
01:24:20.640 they were going to do to me i've never been in prison before and you know all i knew was
01:24:23.500 the shoreshank redemption and i was wondering if they're going to and i think they mentioned
01:24:27.240 tasering me at one point
01:24:29.200 when I was
01:24:31.280 wearing the clothes
01:24:32.420 and I'm like oh you know am I going to be able 1.00
01:24:35.220 to handle the tasering oh god how long can I hold 1.00
01:24:37.280 out against that you know 0.99
01:24:38.440 and in the end they didn't
01:24:41.700 and so
01:24:44.280 you know you go into
01:24:47.240 these things
01:24:47.980 don't expect that you're going to be strong enough
01:24:51.360 because I didn't
01:24:53.340 think I would be even for my small
01:24:55.180 tribulation
01:24:55.960 but
01:24:58.140 I just
01:25:01.040 like well I don't think I'm going to be able
01:25:03.620 to handle this or that
01:25:05.420 all the way through
01:25:07.080 but I can
01:25:09.660 hold on for another five minutes at least
01:25:11.440 I can hold on for another day at least
01:25:13.800 and then just
01:25:15.360 you know what's that song
01:25:17.540 go one day at a time
01:25:19.400 sweet Jesus 0.98
01:25:20.340 sickly Christian song 1.00
01:25:22.640 but yeah you just
01:25:25.460 go in there
01:25:27.080 wanting to hold on for as long as you can
01:25:29.940 and yeah
01:25:31.580 whether you're strong enough in the end
01:25:34.120 isn't really the issue
01:25:35.040 what matters is your attitude
01:25:38.040 going in, is your
01:25:39.700 determination to try and hold on for as long as you can
01:25:42.520 and if you fail, you fail
01:25:44.260 there's always next time
01:25:45.480 but
01:25:47.680 don't let failure spur you on
01:25:50.340 to be tougher the following time
01:25:52.120 and
01:25:53.320 And every time you think you're going to fold,
01:25:57.860 just try to hold on just a little longer,
01:26:00.720 another day, another week, another few minutes.
01:26:06.500 And yeah, because there was a couple of times in prison
01:26:10.240 with a few of the things that I was fighting against
01:26:12.200 just for my own personal battles
01:26:13.760 where I didn't think I would be able to outlast them.
01:26:19.260 And I thought, right, well,
01:26:21.900 i don't know whether i can outlast them or not uh the food was one thing like i didn't eat for
01:26:27.740 the first seven days when i was in prison um because they wouldn't give me what i wanted to
01:26:31.960 eat uh they were like determined to give me the prison slop and i was determined to eat the
01:26:36.960 carnivore diet and um they basically said to me well we're going to give you prison food and if
01:26:45.000 you don't eat it we'll we'll basically we'll uh we'll write you down as a hunger striker and we
01:26:51.020 have ways of dealing with that in other words they were eventually going to force feed me
01:26:54.160 and uh that was a pretty dark day and i'd been seven days without food and i was like how long
01:27:00.560 could i hold out for and is it worth it and am i really doing what's right and i was well i don't
01:27:06.160 know but i can hold i can go without food a little longer so i'll go without food a little longer and
01:27:12.320 i'll see what tomorrow tomorrow brings i'll just go another day without food and
01:27:16.120 i'll i'll i'll i probably can't outlast them they're probably going to break me here
01:27:20.840 but i'll just hold on a little longer because i don't like them and what they're doing is wrong 0.98
01:27:27.640 and fuck them i'm just gonna hold on for another day even though they're probably gonna win i don't 0.99
01:27:34.580 care i'll hold on for another day and then by the end of that day they brought me some eggs some 1.00
01:27:39.980 boiled eggs and i'd won and that that felt i can't tell you how great i felt at the end of that
01:27:46.560 One of the worst days and the best days in prison
01:27:49.860 was when they told me that they were going to force-feed me
01:27:54.180 if I didn't eat their prison slop.
01:27:56.140 And I held out for another day without food.
01:27:58.680 And at the end of the day, they brought me some eggs.
01:28:01.160 And from the depths of depression to the heights of euphoria,
01:28:05.980 just for deciding to hold out just a little longer,
01:28:08.580 just a little longer, because I didn't think I could hold out.
01:28:11.660 I didn't think I could go 30 days without food.
01:28:14.120 I didn't know what I could do.
01:28:15.200 I was just like, I'll just hold out.
01:28:16.560 another day and and that's all you all you can do guys you you know we always imagine ourselves as
01:28:25.960 these uh you know you you fantasize about being in these movies where they torture the prisoner 0.98
01:28:31.740 and you're going to be the strong one and stuff and you get there and you think fuck i don't think 0.97
01:28:36.040 i can handle this i really i think they're going to break me here um and all you do is you just go 0.98
01:28:43.520 it probably will break me but
01:28:45.160 not just yet
01:28:47.400 let me just hold on to my integrity
01:28:49.820 for a few minutes longer
01:28:50.940 another day, let me just hold on
01:28:53.680 a little longer
01:28:54.280 and that's when miracles
01:28:57.760 happen
01:28:58.100 but yeah, thank you for those
01:29:01.620 kind words, I don't particularly
01:29:03.580 feel courageous or
01:29:05.100 too much of a hero, there's too
01:29:07.620 many people in the past who've done much
01:29:09.340 more valiant things than me but I'm
01:29:11.660 assuming that they didn't feel particularly courageous when they were going through and
01:29:15.020 through things either. So, you know, don't worry about your fear. Just, what's that stupid,
01:29:19.720 the title of that stupid hell self-help book? Feel the fear and do it anyway. 1.00
01:29:24.540 That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, Ferry, are you, can you say something? Because I know that you've
01:29:31.880 had stuff going on in the background for you, but perhaps you could share, ask, you know,
01:29:38.580 philosophize with us
01:29:41.180 I mean I don't
01:29:46.160 when you have a guest like this 0.99
01:29:48.880 it's best to just shut the fuck up 0.99
01:29:51.380 and listen so 0.99
01:29:52.880 I mean he's an excellent
01:29:55.260 guest and I don't
01:29:57.280 really have like I mean this is
01:29:59.200 his story to tell and he's done
01:30:01.260 a very good job of it so thank you for sharing
01:30:03.420 it
01:30:03.660 the one thing that did come to mind
01:30:06.980 as i was listening to this is what what a group of guys those ozies have assembled it's like every
01:30:16.860 time they dock someone every time they roll out they attack another one of these guys it's just
01:30:22.720 cream of the crop cream of the crop cream like just over and over whether it's tim lutes
01:30:28.320 or joel davis or hersant or jack eltis or it just goes on and on and so like you know they
01:30:35.780 they didn't pick this guy um you know i don't think they realized that you know they're gonna
01:30:41.640 what they're gonna do is through this process of attacking these guys they're just going to expose
01:30:47.860 another excellent you know public facing addition to the nsn and like you know steven is clearly as
01:30:56.840 well spoken as any of the other guys up there and man i i hope we see more of you in a public
01:31:02.520 facing capacity i mean now that it's out there now that your story's out there i you know i i just i
01:31:10.760 don't know i that's all i have to say really is just like i i'm always surprised at the quality
01:31:15.800 that comes out of australia and i mean i shouldn't be at this point but it just keeps coming
01:31:20.440 i'll say that um you know people like uh like tom and blair and jacob and joel um
01:31:34.880 they they lead by example and therefore they attract people who want to be like them
01:31:43.720 and so the reason that their organization is so full of great men
01:31:49.120 is because every single one of us who's joined
01:31:53.780 have seen something in Tom and Jacob
01:31:55.960 and we aspire to be like them.
01:31:59.820 They basically bring out the best in us
01:32:05.660 because we're following leaders who we aspire to be like
01:32:10.460 And so, you know, all of our dreams of heroism that you have as a kid, you're all just waiting for a leader to follow.
01:32:20.720 You're all just waiting for someone who can inspire you, who you can get behind, who you can be loyal to.
01:32:27.760 And, you know, and those guys, they attract men who want to be like them.
01:32:34.040 and therefore the men who come into their organization
01:32:37.840 eventually become like those leaders
01:32:41.180 because that's why we joined.
01:32:43.580 We joined because we want to be like them.
01:32:46.600 And when our moment comes for trial and testing,
01:32:51.520 we don't want to let them down.
01:32:54.400 We want them to be proud of us.
01:32:59.660 And so that's why.
01:33:02.400 That's why it looks like Aussies have got a very big depth of men of character, and it comes from the leadership at the top, because all of us were just normal people before we got involved.
01:33:23.260 There was nothing particularly special about us in the beginning.
01:33:28.740 But, you know, from one thing that's led to another,
01:33:32.760 small steps that I'm sure, you know, both Tom and Blair took back in the beginning
01:33:37.020 when they were first getting started.
01:33:39.040 They've gone on a journey and people have watched it.
01:33:42.140 And as they've grown, we've just been inspired and motivated to be like them.
01:33:47.740 and and that's probably the the other thing i'll say in terms of a macro impact about doing
01:33:55.000 little acts of self-sacrifice and and holding on to your integrity in small times
01:34:01.300 because you don't know where it's going to lead you you when i was sitting in prison i didn't
01:34:08.740 think it was going to have an impact i was just doing it because it felt like the right thing to
01:34:14.100 do i was doing it for me more than anything else i didn't i didn't envisage that it would have an
01:34:20.000 a wider impact upon the world and upon other people um i mean obviously you sort of fantasize
01:34:25.920 about you know doing something heroic and everybody you know falling down at your feet and all the
01:34:30.120 rest of it when you dream as a kid and stuff but when you're in it you you what you're really
01:34:34.440 thinking is this is probably a waste of time this is not going to do anything for anybody
01:34:38.340 but it'll do something for me
01:34:41.500 so I'm going to do it anyway
01:34:42.580 and I'm sure that's how
01:34:44.640 Tom started as well
01:34:47.120 didn't know whether it was going to succeed
01:34:49.120 wanted it to succeed
01:34:51.940 but at the end of the day
01:34:52.840 he's just doing it because it's the right thing to do
01:34:54.800 but what it does do
01:34:57.940 is it inspires other people
01:35:01.540 to do the same
01:35:02.180 and this is how you change the world
01:35:03.480 so Tom and Blair
01:35:06.140 they've inspired
01:35:08.160 the rest of us to want to be like them and then we then get an opportunity for self-sacrifice
01:35:16.300 and then other people see us and they want to be like us and and so it grows because each story
01:35:26.940 that you tell there is the aspiration to be like the people who've gone before you
01:35:32.420 and done things that you admire.
01:35:37.200 But then there's also the fact that each one of them tells you,
01:35:40.260 hey, I started off, I'm just a normal guy.
01:35:43.380 I'm just like you.
01:35:44.200 I'm no different.
01:35:45.260 I've got all the same fears.
01:35:47.080 I've got all the same doubts.
01:35:49.020 I've got all the same negative emotions.
01:35:51.500 I've got all the same horrors and weaknesses that you've got.
01:35:59.380 But it's worth it.
01:36:00.680 and and and so it grows and so it will grow and this is why we'll win this is why we'll win in
01:36:06.240 the end because this is how all movements for good win in the end you know this is how strong men
01:36:12.320 come to be because we have a we have good times and we have weak men and then from the weak men
01:36:20.880 somebody just stands up and they become something to aspire to something that every man longs and
01:36:28.620 yearns to be and it's because of people like Tom that I've been able to do my little bit
01:36:34.560 and because of my little bit hopefully somebody will do their little bit and it will grow
01:36:40.000 so that's why so that's why it's coming out of Australia at the moment it started at the top
01:36:45.560 it started at the beginning and everybody else is just wanting to make Tom proud
01:36:50.840 that's I mean that's very yeah that's great advice everybody has their jaw on the floor
01:37:00.940 like we're all just trying to keep ourselves together here well you know what honestly I
01:37:06.520 think it does go for like it is a leadership thing like good leadership regardless if it's
01:37:10.920 leadership of an active club or a manager of a company or whatever you do always have to lead
01:37:15.460 by example I think and that just goes without saying but a lot of people don't right and that's
01:37:19.700 we run into the problem i think so uh who do we have did mrs band want to say something because
01:37:26.120 she had her hand up earlier yeah yeah i totally want to ask mrs band some questions but steve
01:37:32.040 i'll let you jump in and then uh let's let's get a little lady out of the wifey here steve go ahead
01:37:37.940 sure i'm just i wanted to ask uh mr walsh here how great did it feel to be marching with the
01:37:46.520 other guys uh saying waltz and matilda on australia day after you know this whole fear campaign was
01:37:54.540 being propagated like how'd that feel in the moment when you guys were just marching
01:37:58.680 saying waltz and matilda with all those ensigns oh it was pretty fun it was it was it was that
01:38:06.140 was that was the fun part of the day you know uh we was walking around um all of the young guys
01:38:11.660 were a lot fitter than me and I was
01:38:13.340 gasping for breath by the end
01:38:16.080 we were walking so fast
01:38:17.700 and I was singing so loud and so hard
01:38:19.920 and I forgot my water bottle
01:38:21.200 but yeah, it was awesome
01:38:23.620 it was, yeah
01:38:25.640 that's
01:38:27.940 like the fun of our movement
01:38:29.940 is going and doing things like that
01:38:31.480 so that's just pure joy
01:38:34.000 Beautiful
01:38:37.620 I bet, and my mom used
01:38:39.960 to sing waltzing matilda to me when i was a kid she was a school teacher and it was it was
01:38:46.440 definitely one of her favorites so when i heard that i'm like i know that song it's deep in my
01:38:52.120 bones so it was it was a really wonderful thing to see i love that you guys in the nsn sing
01:38:57.480 um you uh you sing one of those songs um by god we'll have our home again right steve one of steve
01:39:05.360 hansen's favorite pieces and it's often clipped in a lot of our videos and i love that that's
01:39:11.920 part of the character of your organization is that you sing our old folk songs we have a brilliant
01:39:19.740 guy uh i'm not going to name him because he's not actually in the nsn or the eam he's just
01:39:26.160 uh in the background networking with anybody who's got anything from some conservative leanings
01:39:33.160 all the way to Nazi leanings
01:39:35.260 who 0.80
01:39:36.960 came back from
01:39:38.780 I'm not going to say any more about him
01:39:41.680 about his background
01:39:43.660 but he
01:39:45.080 he just goes around with the guitar
01:39:48.040 and he's been like pushing
01:39:49.840 this like for like three or four
01:39:51.920 years having these song nights
01:39:54.140 you know
01:39:55.820 and we just wherever he goes he has a song
01:39:57.820 night and he will not take 1.00
01:39:59.940 no for an answer you are going to sing these damn 0.99
01:40:01.900 songs and he's got a song book and he turned up on the event the night before and we were all 0.99
01:40:07.060 singing in the um in the airbnb but he just goes around and uh he's an unsung hero of the movement
01:40:14.820 in australia who uh he just goes around and uh and is determined to uh bring back uh the culture
01:40:23.360 through song and um yeah he's just an amazing bloke and it's not just in the nsn uh it's in
01:40:30.480 the proud boys it's in all of the all of the um anything even remotely patriotic or nationalistic
01:40:37.020 he goes around and gets everybody to sing these songs so uh uh my hat's off to him and i won't
01:40:41.980 say any more about him because um you know he's still uh you know uh incognito as it were but uh
01:40:50.280 yeah shout out to that to that to that man who's um uh who's organized all of this for us and who's
01:40:57.800 basically been the force behind getting us all to sing uh these songs um he's also behind the
01:41:04.920 recording of um the white australia song uh which i'm uh one of the people who sings on it
01:41:13.800 uh that's up online on youtube and and things where we did a professional recording of an old
01:41:19.240 anthem uh from like 1912 or something or other uh which is up online and we had it professionally
01:41:25.400 recorded and my my voice is is is one of the ones on there as well so yeah um but yeah it's uh the
01:41:32.840 the song the song side of things has just been like a really out of left field thing that this
01:41:38.440 guy has done and uh once we all got together every time we've been at uh one of his events
01:41:45.480 everyone's like hooked you like because you originally they're thinking ah i'm not gonna go
01:41:49.000 and sing songs with a bunch of guys but you you turn up there and you have a barbecue and all
01:41:53.960 these men and it's like going to a football match except uh you're instead of singing
01:41:58.920 hooligan songs here you're singing nationalist songs and uh yeah we have a blast oh my gosh
01:42:06.560 that's a space in itself maybe one day he'll be willing to come to the microphone under
01:42:13.020 an anonymous avatar and and speak with us about that whole concept because it's extremely deep
01:42:20.340 And it's extremely important that we not only pass down language, but pass down our music of our people, of our folk.
01:42:28.420 And, you know, it was the songs that our grandfathers, great grandfathers were marching to.
01:42:36.080 And it kept them entertained before cell phones and, you know, before, you know, scrolling.
01:42:42.600 You know, there were things we did to entertain ourselves and bond as community.
01:42:47.140 And it was definitely through music.
01:42:50.340 that we we become a folk mrs band are you there dear yes i am thanks for having me on
01:43:00.860 yeah well thanks for hooking it up it's obviously had it not been for you uh we would have had a
01:43:07.540 complete communication failure phone down okay you know account banned um my last account on x
01:43:16.780 actually got banned um i had set it up as a way to spread awareness for steven's plight
01:43:22.860 and um i uh was um offered some assistance by um another member uh to take over it because i was
01:43:34.300 just you know under so much stress uh with having to deal with everything that um i gave i gave the
01:43:41.180 reigns over to him on my ex account and then he got it banned so i was like okay and i just got
01:43:46.820 off of it and then when steven got out um i'm like okay well i'm gonna get off all social media
01:43:53.500 i'm not gonna do it again but he says oh i need to he got banned on this other account that he
01:43:59.380 started and he says oh a day before i'm having this radio interview with with you i get banned
01:44:06.800 i'm like crap okay well let's sign you up and i'll sign myself up again too and so that's why
01:44:12.800 and he had a good laugh because uh i said so what what are we going to name you mr band on x or he
01:44:19.360 said band on x and i'm like okay let's do mr band on x and i'm like okay i'll just do mine the same
01:44:24.720 mrs band on x because i was um so yeah so so thank you for having me on i didn't think i was
01:44:33.200 beyond anything i was just like yeah i'm just gonna sit back and listen to him but yeah thank
01:44:38.780 you you're a piece of the puzzle here very important you have some uh some questions for me
01:44:44.740 well yeah and i mean i suppose that you know it's you know a microcosm of the macrocosm just how
01:44:51.940 you know you're essential to making things work and and i i wanted to ask you because i've heard
01:45:00.780 this complaint in white spaces for a very long time is that often wives girlfriends don't show
01:45:08.340 support to their boyfriends and husbands because it is scary and it is hard especially if there's
01:45:18.780 little children and that kind of thing it's it's extra hard we we spoke with laura melia her name
01:45:25.340 laura towler but the wife of sam milia and they took sam away in the uk when her babies were like
01:45:33.260 baby babies you know and they were two little like under 18 months and they're like we're sending you
01:45:40.620 away forever kind of thing because he had stickers saying it's okay to be white he had probably like
01:45:47.100 300 3000 stickers they're freaking stickers you know and that was you know just cause you know 0.63
01:45:54.060 terrorism white terrorism and and they still have him um by the collar too where he gets to spend 0.52
01:46:03.800 like now that he's out he's got these serious bail conditions where um he you know spends the
01:46:10.620 day with his family but he has to go to a group home at night to sleep right um so he can't even
01:46:16.920 spend the night with his family um so like there's reason to be afraid right there's lots of
01:46:23.400 lots of reasons but perhaps you'd be willing to you know share with you know the women and the
01:46:30.640 men like a bit about the courage that it required and and what it took from you
01:46:35.080 i have always uh been one who uh doesn't like authority um and this has been ongoing since
01:46:45.860 the day I was born I was raised by a single parent who was physically
01:46:54.500 disabled and so and I didn't have a dad in my life so I kind of became the
01:46:59.500 strength for her she was very passive and allowed people to step all over her
01:47:08.920 and um but i was not one who was uh who was like that um and um so i i've always had this
01:47:20.040 resilience of um you don't tell me what to do kind of thing um and in in regards to like how
01:47:28.980 i came to be as strong as i am now i've always been strong but um going back to you know the
01:47:37.020 the COVID years when, um, you know, the government was saying, you know, we have this law here in
01:47:44.800 WA, um, which is, is, is the public health act of 2016, I think, where, um, it basically says
01:47:53.340 that the government can come and force jab you. Okay. So, and this is before, this is right before
01:47:59.800 we became Christians. And I was basically saying to my husband, I said, if they come to my door, 0.93
01:48:05.400 you better kill me you better kill me because i'm not going to take it you know um i'm not going to 0.98
01:48:12.020 allow them to take me you know um and so um you know you've got all this uh built up stuff that 0.99
01:48:19.780 you you know you um basically uh discover who this government is and what they can do
01:48:26.960 but um it's it's basically just not uh giving in it's not it's not giving into that authority
01:48:34.660 to basically dictate what they can and cannot, you know, what you can and cannot do and what
01:48:42.340 they can do to you. And with Stephen's involvement in the freedom movement, and supporting him in
01:48:52.600 that aspect of things, because the whole time, you know, it's not like everything that he's ever
01:48:58.280 done is he's done this by himself it is a team effort it has always been that way we we are one
01:49:05.560 flesh we are married we've been together for 21 years you know so um this is you know and our our
01:49:12.840 relationship has always been based on truth no matter what um so when you've got truth on your
01:49:20.600 side and you've got uh you you you're one flesh you um want to protect that at any cost and you
01:49:28.840 will fight for it um so when it comes to like um other women in the relationships and they don't
01:49:37.800 feel like you know they're not supporting their their partners um the they really just need to uh
01:49:45.960 to have faith that they need to have that faith they need to believe um in god really they need
01:49:54.140 to have that backing because um if you don't have that backing of the faith in jesus christ
01:50:03.020 is our lord and savior um you will break because you cannot um you don't have we're all weak we're
01:50:12.100 weak we don't have any strength on our own we have to find strength in Jesus Christ um so with
01:50:18.740 you know my personality of not um you know taking kindly to authority um uh being one flesh with
01:50:27.660 Stephen and and being a team and the support that we have given to each other over the years
01:50:32.760 in you know in everything so if if I was doing something he would support me 100 we were in it
01:50:38.840 together. You know, since the whole COVID thing, it's been me supporting Stephen and everything
01:50:45.120 that he needs to do. So I've been behind all of the videoing of him. I've been behind helping
01:50:53.460 him sell his books. He's got two books available on Amazon. One is called Confessions of a Climate
01:51:02.200 change denier and the other one um is the great coronavirus swindle but because um of all of the
01:51:10.520 um uh censorship that was going on we did have to change the title so you know throughout all
01:51:17.160 of this ordeal of um the the freedom movement and supporting these things and then you know
01:51:23.560 know, there was a point where in 2022, we had state security at the door, you know, and I did
01:51:32.100 have a lot of anxiety with that. So I've had nonstop anxiety since since the whole COVID thing.
01:51:40.040 But, you know, in regards to support, it is very scary. You know, it was very scary for me. I
01:51:46.720 i was here at the house alone i didn't have any family or friends here you know i you know i i
01:51:55.300 asked him to come home you know and that was only because i was hearing from well-meaning people
01:52:02.180 on the outside that he cannot fight this on the inside he has no in especially in solitary
01:52:08.320 very confinement. Um, and so I was hearing their side of things and then, you know, I didn't really
01:52:17.260 have an opportunity to hear Steven's side of things until he actually, you know, he broke down
01:52:23.120 to me on the phone. Okay. But it wasn't until like the very next day where he fully explained himself
01:52:29.700 because you got to understand, we only got 10 minutes a day to talk. You know, it was not like
01:52:35.480 we had a lot of opportunity to really sit down and hash anything out. Plus they were listening
01:52:40.340 to our conversations. So I really couldn't get into, into depth of anything I really wanted to
01:52:46.280 say. I had to hold back on a lot of things I wanted to say until after he got out, but you
01:52:52.800 know, I'm here by myself. Our kids are grown, so we don't have any, you know, we don't have that to
01:52:58.080 worry about. Thank God. Um, but yeah, you know, there was instances where I felt like the cops
01:53:04.640 were going to come here and bang, you know, bang down my door and raid the house and throw it to
01:53:09.600 bits and, you know, and intimidate me. And, um, but all the while I would have had that resilience
01:53:15.720 in me going, excuse me. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm scared, but fuck you. Okay. Um, I'm not gonna, you know, 1.00
01:53:24.160 I learned, um, in 2020, 2021, when Steven was, um, you know, uh, being the guest speaker and
01:53:33.360 learning how to deal with the cops and stuff, um, that you don't answer questions. You don't,
01:53:39.800 you don't answer questions, you know, um, when they come to your door, you don't have to let
01:53:44.540 them in unless they have a warrant. Um, and you don't answer questions. So yeah, I don't know if
01:53:51.140 that answered your question or not, but well, yeah, I mean, we were, we went, we went on a
01:53:56.080 journey with you there. Um, Frank has, no, no, it's really great. Frank has his hand up. So jump
01:54:02.500 in there frank hold on before you go frank i just want to say i put the link to steven's book
01:54:07.940 for um on amazon up in the bubble the climate nice yeah okay and i want the uh music uh recording
01:54:15.860 that's on youtube um as well so mrs band if you could send us that link at some point for the
01:54:22.740 song that he was talking about that would also be great yeah i'll i'll have uh steven do that as well
01:54:29.460 um should be able to find it it's called white australia
01:54:33.060 um you can find it on youtube it's it's pretty easy to find it
01:54:37.460 um there i think there's two different recordings of that
01:54:40.740 um so it's the one with the the the male choir
01:54:45.300 that's the one that steven's on can someone find that
01:54:48.820 um in the audience yeah i'm looking i'll find it and
01:54:53.060 send it to me oh amazing you want it sent to you or put in the space
01:54:56.820 based well yeah yep okay either way like put it put it in the purple fill if you can but
01:55:02.260 send it to me or posty and we'll put it in the bubble frank go ahead yeah this is really amazing
01:55:08.180 i appreciate uh the young lady's comments and uh you know her emotional state letting all you
01:55:14.660 ladies out in the audience and all you fellas know that this is uh this is the anything that
01:55:20.660 we do and i don't care if any if a guy has gone for three months five months or 10 years it's all
01:55:28.020 the same this this whole thing about separation is it's a psychological uh i think one of these
01:55:34.660 one of the two in this couple said that the process is the punishment that is precisely
01:55:40.260 correct but i i wanted a clarification here real quick um every a lot of people in here
01:55:46.020 know me and i i don't actually follow a lot of women on any kind of social media so is this
01:55:53.380 account uh is this controlled by the both of you like somebody asked me uh to follow them back
01:56:00.180 and uh is that owned by both of you guys i mean um which one because um we've got um the mr
01:56:08.260 band which is stevens and then mine is mrs band and we only just signed those up yesterday because
01:56:14.340 we got banned on a different account okay okay i don't want to give i don't want to give too much
01:56:19.140 intel out so yeah we're we're also we're also speaking on each other's accounts at the moment
01:56:24.420 because when we've started it's pretty funny actually yeah so yeah so i'm i'm we're both
01:56:30.100 being transgender at the moment and uh okay you know i've become a woman and she's become a man
01:56:36.020 okay steve steve so i'll i i will follow you back uh now that i know that that's your your
01:56:41.780 proper account. But let me just follow up just briefly, if you guys don't mind. This whole
01:56:47.180 scenario is something that everybody better get their shit together and actually put all of this 1.00
01:56:52.840 in their brain is that what this couple, I mean, I was just really, I was fascinated by the missus 0.99
01:57:00.060 talking. And I was just wondering to myself, I wonder what kind of support mechanism my wife 0.99
01:57:09.320 would have been able to garner back in the day and all of the wives of the other men, because
01:57:14.040 there was upwards of like 30 people involved, right? And that's almost 30 women. It was like 0.98
01:57:19.980 20, 23 or 24 wives and girlfriends. And see, you know, everybody knows how I feel about this
01:57:27.740 electronic media, but it is a venue to harness some of these, in my mind, very spectacular
01:57:37.100 emotional stories i mean i was listening to um extra and he was very moved these kind of things
01:57:44.220 are legitimately moving when you know because we we're always in this this little intellectual
01:57:51.140 masturbator in here right and you know you two don't know me but i'm kind of hard sometimes but
01:57:57.760 it's necessary but when real human beings come in with their story these guys have heard my story a
01:58:04.060 lot so it but it's it it's so far back that it's not really in your face so I'm really happy and
01:58:12.200 very appreciative that a couple like yourself whether or not you know you you had to to deal
01:58:18.840 with this ordeal and almost broke you or whatever it doesn't matter the fact that all of us at some
01:58:24.860 point or another and I'm dead serious all of us at one point or another are going to face these
01:58:32.600 almost certain types of behaviors from the state, facing off as an individual with,
01:58:41.580 you know, how tough are you? You know, how strong really are you? And it's just, I'm very,
01:58:48.340 very grateful that I ended up in this space today. And I'll just shut up and let you guys finish.
01:58:54.280 I just want to say in regards to what, you know, you were saying in regards to network,
01:58:58.980 what your wife could have had in regards to network um what the support that i got during
01:59:06.260 the time that he was uh incarcerated held hostage i'd say um was the the network so um i had uh
01:59:16.400 people in our network um assisting and checking up on me um i had you know phone calls from people
01:59:24.800 to comfort me. And, you know, I was invited over to dinner a few times by people. I could drop
01:59:34.380 into, you know, obviously these people weren't living around where I'm at. So I did have to go,
01:59:40.940 you know, drive around to go and visit people. But I always had someone ringing me up or checking
01:59:49.320 in on me on on telegram um to make sure that i was okay do i need anything um the the most uh
02:00:00.680 the part that was uh most stressful for me was when um stephen got fired from his job and there
02:00:12.040 There was only like six weeks worth of holiday pay.
02:00:16.380 I can't work full time due to health issues.
02:00:19.520 And so my income doesn't even cover the rent. 0.98
02:00:23.360 And so technically South Pole could have made me homeless. 0.80
02:00:29.200 And so I was stressing out
02:00:32.420 that I would have to put everything back into storage again
02:00:35.200 and go and couch surf somewhere,
02:00:38.280 go live in a backpacker place
02:00:40.060 or go and live with my son or something.
02:00:44.260 So the network around me is very strong and very supportive.
02:00:52.820 And one of the members organized a fundraiser for us
02:00:58.120 to help with legal fees and to help support me.
02:01:00.360 And had we not had that, I would have been made homeless
02:01:05.060 and it would have made things a lot more difficult to handle,
02:01:08.340 but I would have been willing to do that.
02:01:12.120 Before we moved to the area that we are in,
02:01:15.320 we did live in a backpackers place for six weeks
02:01:18.700 whilst we were looking for a new place to live.
02:01:21.940 So it's not like I couldn't do the same thing again.
02:01:26.100 You know, and these things are just, they're just possessions.
02:01:28.360 You know, it's not like we leave the earth with any of it.
02:01:31.100 So things can be replaced.
02:01:33.340 Lives cannot though.
02:01:34.600 so um so yeah i i'd say uh having a strong network behind you um as a woman um uh involved in and
02:01:45.080 you know with people that are you know men that are involved in an organization like
02:01:49.480 we're in um is important and um yeah i mean you know it's a situation where
02:01:57.720 um yeah i mean i i can't you know i can't really say uh too much about other people but
02:02:06.440 i'm just determined i i don't like people messing with me you know and especially the the people in
02:02:12.560 my life i will fight for them and yes it has taken a toll on me a huge toll um so i'm still
02:02:19.220 dealing with the emotional impacts of all of that even though he's been out since may 16th i'm still
02:02:24.940 uh dealing with a lot of that but um you know and i and i have these uh these thoughts of you know
02:02:32.800 it could happen again i'll be stronger next time but it doesn't mean it's going to be easy
02:02:37.060 it never is never is well now you have us too sister we got you yeah you can pick up the
02:02:46.040 telegram and telegram us we're just a telegram away tell us yeah ma'am we'll do a group call
02:02:50.980 anytime anytime yeah yeah thank you so much thank you so much for um your sacrifice for what you've
02:03:00.600 done for the movement and you know the women in the background are often unsung heroes and i think
02:03:06.840 this really um demonstrated your white power and your excellence and um what conviction of your
02:03:15.140 character and leaning on your face when you have nothing else to lean on so um you know we're all
02:03:21.360 moved today by this uh thank you this conversation thank you and um posty i'm gonna i'm like i have
02:03:32.100 to pick up my jaw i know i've been lucky because i haven't had to do much of the talking so i could
02:03:37.340 just you know bathe in the in the excellence that it is so yeah did well i don't know did
02:03:45.180 frank have a question because i'm on the computer and all i see is no frank had his hand up unless
02:03:49.280 frank's got something else okay i i did want to i want to shift this just a little bit into
02:03:54.280 before we go because we've taken two hours of mr and mrs band's time but i wanted to ask um a bit
02:04:02.180 about what you think or understand uh to be happening with the mass banning of australian
02:04:09.900 accounts on x you know because it's alarming um even you know the next level down to your guys
02:04:19.020 the periphery guys yeah yeah the periphery guys are not even being allowed a voice and
02:04:24.380 you know some of those guys i'm really fond of and you know and we chat and they keep have like
02:04:29.880 disappearing and it's like awful so what do you think is happening between x and i don't know if
02:04:39.120 it's you tell me what it is um well the sort of consensus in the movement is that the the
02:04:47.220 government uh is basically talking behind the scenes with um
02:04:53.780 yeah with the board of with the board of elon's uh fake company and um and basically putting the
02:05:05.100 pressure on and yeah pretty much i i have absolutely zero respect for elon musk and
02:05:11.020 always thought he was a wanker um and yeah everything that he says about free speech 0.99
02:05:18.000 he's just a lying hypocrite um he's just controlled opposition he's he's just uh 0.99
02:05:26.080 so like blair made uh some uh interesting sort of observation about it that um all of this sort of 0.99
02:05:33.260 nazi content is is is coming on to x at the moment but it's all marpas you know it's all people who
02:05:41.000 aren't actively involved so i think he said it looks like they're sort of allowing people to
02:05:47.180 sort of uh to laugh about being nazis that allows people to being internet warriors um nazis but if
02:05:55.260 anybody looks as if they might actually be doing something in the real world then they're the ones
02:06:00.980 they ban um so they've got a pretty much i mean they're obviously we we basically take it and have
02:06:08.940 for years that um all of the privacy laws i just don't mean anything to the government
02:06:13.920 and that every time I go online, regardless of how secure you think the account is,
02:06:19.620 you're being listened to and they know who everybody is and they've got files on everybody.
02:06:25.380 I mean, I found out that I was my name was mentioned in a Senate inquiry about a year ago.
02:06:32.040 Unbeknownst to me, like somebody else had pointed out that my name had popped up in a Senate inquiry
02:06:36.540 into right winning extremism and terrorism.
02:06:39.440 And so I had to write a bunch of letters to the MP saying, you know,
02:06:43.840 how on earth do you dare to mention me in a terrorism report
02:06:51.000 when I've never been even accused of any crime,
02:06:54.060 much less a convicted one?
02:06:55.460 How dare you start bandying my name about
02:06:58.660 without giving me the right to reply?
02:07:01.200 So this sort of thing is sort of going on behind the scenes,
02:07:04.120 and I reckon pretty much that everything that Elon says
02:07:09.140 about free speech is just theatre.
02:07:12.260 and they've just moved to the next phase
02:07:15.120 and they're in the next attempt to try and hold us back
02:07:18.480 and, you know, they will for a while
02:07:20.500 but, you know, they're not going to succeed in the end
02:07:24.120 so, I mean, it's not something I particularly worry about
02:07:26.820 because the movement's just growing and growing
02:07:30.460 everything they do just causes our numbers to explode
02:07:33.580 so, yeah, the more they ban us, the more we'll grow
02:07:36.640 the more they try and silence us, the more we'll speak out
02:07:40.320 the more repressive they come
02:07:44.080 the stronger
02:07:45.000 and closer to victory we become
02:07:47.780 so it's
02:07:48.560 they're doing all of these things
02:07:51.540 and it doesn't particularly what they do now
02:07:53.300 or what they'll do next
02:07:54.360 everything that they do
02:07:56.240 is just doomed to lose at this point
02:07:59.720 because we've got
02:08:01.040 the momentum behind us
02:08:03.060 we've got the conviction behind us
02:08:04.720 and we've got to the stage
02:08:07.800 now where we don't care anymore
02:08:09.560 what they do to us there's enough of us now who don't care whether they kill us whether they jail
02:08:16.020 us whether they torture us whether they we don't care what they do to us anymore it's like we're
02:08:21.080 beyond that it's like we're as far as we're concerned we're dead already you've already
02:08:25.940 taken our lives you can't take anything else from us you can do whatever you like now because we
02:08:31.380 gave our lives away back in the covid era but there's nothing left to take and so there's
02:08:37.120 nothing they've got no leverage over us anymore and so it's done it's just a matter of time
02:08:44.240 they're already a dead rotting carcass and we're just waiting for someone to come along with a
02:08:48.800 broom and sweep them away wow um extra do you think you could give us some final thoughts and
02:08:57.860 then ferry if you could think of some final thoughts steve hansen final thoughts guys
02:09:04.400 but extra you're still here and I know that you are a man of um many great words so if you perhaps
02:09:13.660 could you know share some of your wisdom I'd be grateful well all right uh I'm kind of glad that
02:09:21.960 you brought it back to COVID there because yeah um I had been very disappointed with the world
02:09:27.320 uh meaning people for a long time and thinking that it was already over and then when COVID
02:09:32.980 came along I thought okay well at least this has to bring things to a head and it will be the final
02:09:37.420 battle and a lot of people said oh you know it's great in times of crisis because you find out who
02:09:42.080 your real friends are uh who you can really stand with in the battle and they found oh I have no
02:09:49.000 friends nobody stands with me uh and that really disappointed me uh but I what it did do is you
02:09:57.040 know kind of make me grow up again a bit more even and sort of say okay uh well you know it just goes
02:10:02.740 to show that if I feel that I'm principled, or if I'm willing to, you know, pay the ultimate
02:10:07.820 sacrifice for anything, then it must, you know, ultimately be a solitary journey, if it needs to
02:10:13.620 be. Now, granted, we've all maybe found each other over the internet, and we might like to think that,
02:10:19.080 you know, we just don't have to be in physical close proximity all the time,
02:10:24.360 but that we're of a single mind, but we all need reminding, I think, like this as well.
02:10:27.840 One of the great things that you said earlier, and I would just reiterate this, I often meant to talk about this for a long time, because it helped me a little trick to not give up smoking, just to not have a cigarette for five minutes.
02:10:41.480 I said, I'll have a cigarette now because I want one. I went, hold on, hold on a second, maybe I can just wait five minutes. I'm not denying myself, but I'll wait five minutes and then I'll have one or see how I feel.
02:10:52.240 and that's how you turned five minutes into an hour into a day into a week into enough time as
02:10:58.860 if you know it just went by and you didn't need to set yourself an impossible goal you didn't
02:11:04.540 sort of say I have to now crucify myself for all eternity you just said give me give myself five
02:11:09.980 more minutes and then I'll check in with myself and see how I feel so in order to win this battle
02:11:14.700 that was very cliched and trite but you have to set yourself these sort of achievable little goals
02:11:21.460 and break the big problem up into the small problems as you said one day at a time sweet
02:11:25.460 jesus type thing these trite little ditties come to you out of the strangest of places in your
02:11:33.240 moments of crisis when you need them most and that's why i do see sometimes as this journey
02:11:38.980 through life it is paralleled very much in a lot of the christian parables even though a lot of
02:11:44.140 people want to throw it away wholesale i'll reiterate again i think that anybody will find
02:11:49.740 through their own perspectives whatever they kind of want to see or they're looking for an excuse to
02:11:55.340 give up anyway but men of good character don't they draw inspiration or the good parts from
02:12:01.040 anything from anywhere that will be of use to them in the moment when it matters uh the other
02:12:07.840 thing then i'll just kind of revert to uh is this idea of covid and how we've found that so many
02:12:13.560 people talk a lot of brave noise but when it really comes to it i use the analogy of maybe a
02:12:19.220 battery that says that it's it's holding 12 volts or 14 volts a car battery you try and start your
02:12:24.060 car and it immediately dies when you try and draw a load from it um so really the test you know a
02:12:30.740 synthetic test of how much character is in this guy he'll say all this lovely words report to you
02:12:35.860 that he's full of the best of intentions but you do have to be prepared for the fact that you're
02:12:41.540 going to find that your army might flee uh when just when you think that you're about to lead them
02:12:47.500 into battle uh but you have to be prepared for that uh and and have a sort of a plan b or whatever
02:12:54.460 uh the social contract is what i'm getting at here uh a lot of people want to forget now we're
02:13:00.060 five years after covid i won't wax on too lyrical and i don't want to be blackpilled about this or
02:13:03.740 saying that's depressive but you do have to i think we all have to face uh harsh realities now
02:13:09.340 about the people that we live around uh we're always trying to wake them up uh you know if one
02:13:13.740 only could give them this fact would make them realize maybe there's still some people who are
02:13:17.080 very slow about the whole thing but I think 2020 might have made a lot of us realize an uncomfortable
02:13:22.500 truth that people aren't asleep or they don't suffer from lack of knowledge they know that well
02:13:28.600 and they just don't want to have to have the responsibility of admitting that they know
02:13:32.960 because then they have the responsibility to to act upon that knowledge and they don't want to
02:13:38.080 to be certainly not the first man out of the gate if if already it seems that that the battle has
02:13:44.240 been fought and and they can see who's a winning side they'll they'll quickly rally around and
02:13:48.000 pretend they're well i was always there in the battle uh so i'm not saying that we need to be
02:13:52.400 suicidal but we need to understand that there is no social contract that's part of it uh and um so
02:13:58.640 we shouldn't i i find myself maybe others do as well uh find myself still kind of even though i
02:14:04.400 remember full well the intensity it wanes over time and i'd like to have reminding of the fact
02:14:08.960 that these things like habeas corpus whether it's just simply let me show that the prisoner
02:14:13.600 is alive or and in good health or you know due process and a right to a trial or even a trial
02:14:19.520 date even if not speedy all these kind of things you mentioned magna carta which you know canada
02:14:24.080 and australia is supposed to be based on but all this is out the window this is just the veneer of
02:14:28.960 civilization which was stripped away entirely in 2020 but a lot of people like to believe
02:14:34.000 the substrate is growing back you know people they just want to move on and you know they want
02:14:38.640 people to sort of forgive and forget without any contrition without any any uh show that the that
02:14:45.040 they were wrong or acknowledgement that they might have been mistaken they just want to be
02:14:49.360 not not just forgiven but the whole thing to be forgotten about like these uh you know kind of
02:14:54.320 saccharine and artificial entreaties in atlantic magazine like the time has come to move on
02:15:01.040 no it hasn't we need to remember exactly what we're dealing with maybe our own people you know
02:15:06.160 used to be the braver stock were all killed off and dead and we're just left with the dregs and
02:15:11.680 a few honorable men um but look i'm not saying that i'm not saying that it's all doom and gloom
02:15:19.120 but there is a reality to it uh but what i'm grateful for is honorable men again not trying
02:15:24.640 to flattery but clearly men of good character who are willing to put their money where their
02:15:29.360 mouth is so to speak you know uh push other chips all in and uh you know i'll at least one
02:15:37.120 one last analogy they climb to the top of the diving board they look out over the great height
02:15:41.540 and they take that leap they don't just go oh i can't do it and then turn around and walk back
02:15:46.080 down the ladder. They go so far and then they push that one further step forward that makes
02:15:52.120 all the difference. And I think that the value of the, I'll finish on this now, the value of
02:15:56.720 the conversation and hearing people like this is that it reminds me that I don't want to be like
02:16:02.380 all those other sneaking cowards who turn away just when they're needed. I want to be somebody
02:16:08.800 who, when the moment calls for it, is reminded that I want to be somebody like that as well,
02:16:15.060 who's brave enough to suffer for the righteous cause, and I think we're going to be tested
02:16:22.720 more and more in the future. So again, thank you, and I hope to hear more from you in the
02:16:26.760 future.
02:16:27.760 Thank you.
02:16:28.760 Thanks, Extra. Steve, did you want to go ahead, and then we'll go to Ferry. Steve Hansen,
02:16:35.060 sorry.
02:16:36.060 Yeah, no worries. There's a few things I could say here, but first of all, thank you
02:16:45.060 uh mr and mrs band for taking the time to chat with us today um courage is contagious and i
02:16:53.140 definitely feel like i've caught the contagion so thank you for um for being courageous and doing
02:17:03.060 what maybe in hindsight seems like um not a great act but you know it is definitely a very
02:17:12.260 courageous act and very principled of you which in a time where so many of our folk um suffer from
02:17:20.940 cowardice you know these these acts of courage are very moralizing and very empowering so it's
02:17:28.660 not to be underestimated or understated uh the gravity of of your decisions and the courage in
02:17:37.120 your convictions so big thank you to that and you know just a little more broadly I think
02:17:44.000 today is highlighted and whether people are of the Christian faith or the pre-Christian faith
02:17:50.680 that having a spirituality and having that as a foundation of your of your
02:18:00.580 beliefs will empower you to get through these trying times. And so I do think that it's important
02:18:09.940 whether people, you know, Christian or pre-Christian gods that they worship, that they
02:18:15.160 do so in a way that invigorates them and empowers them to be able to put themselves at the service
02:18:25.900 of their folk to sacrifice for their folk and you know do that rather than um quarrel with one
02:18:34.740 another about who's sky daddy is the the correct one um to me it's more of the fact that you have
02:18:41.860 a spirituality and that that gives you the faith that you need to fight for your folks so um i say
02:18:48.400 that as a christian myself god bless you both and god bless australia australia for the white man
02:18:55.060 And by God, we'll have our home again.
02:18:58.560 Amen.
02:19:00.820 Yeah, the only God you're not allowed to worship is the spaghetti monster.
02:19:10.240 Oh, Ferry, you know, I know you're a busy man and you're a great leader of Canadian nationalists.
02:19:18.620 And I feel like these interviews with the Australians are just gifts.
02:19:23.260 and you were the first one to bring Australia to Canada
02:19:27.420 and now I'm really happy that I got to gift you with Stephen Wells.
02:19:32.500 So maybe you could share some of your thoughts.
02:19:40.080 Sorry, who are you asking?
02:19:41.340 We're just asking Ferryman.
02:19:42.660 Not to put you on the spot there, Ferry, if you're like eating or something.
02:19:47.360 He's probably kickboxing.
02:19:49.340 just in the intermittent i'll um just want to let you all know also that i'm about uh three
02:19:58.080 quarters of the walk of the way through of writing uh a book about everything that i've gone through
02:20:04.940 and what got me there and all the rest of it so anybody who's wanting some more detail of it i
02:20:10.860 should hopefully have the third book out um within the next few months um and uh i've really been
02:20:18.280 really enjoying writing it having a blast um just going as dark as i could uh and then in the midst
02:20:25.960 of the the tears and the terror and horror just putting in some absolutely uh totally inappropriate
02:20:31.560 joke just to break the tension that's been real fun so i'm i'm uh i'm looking forward to bringing
02:20:36.540 this book out and i hope anybody who uh who reads it has a blast oh yeah um and i'm probably not
02:20:46.040 going to be on on x very much i'm on telegram under stephen wells triggers everyone nice okay
02:20:54.080 well we are waiting for the ferryman to chime in i do just want to encourage you mr wells i hope
02:21:01.480 that one day you do run for office and i would love to hear the australian media have to refer
02:21:07.060 to you as senator stephen wells i will actually uh i'll be starting off at local council again so i
02:21:14.420 I did run council a year and a half ago,
02:21:18.600 which was how the NSN really decided
02:21:22.340 to get in contact with me in the first place
02:21:24.160 because they ran a hit piece on me
02:21:26.760 in the state-run newspaper
02:21:31.800 and also on the state-run TV.
02:21:34.840 And they really did a number on me
02:21:38.200 and my wife 18 months ago.
02:21:41.460 So I'll be running again for local council
02:21:44.260 in a few months' time again.
02:21:48.200 And then, yeah, we're looking at putting a political party together
02:21:52.360 under the White Australia banner.
02:21:54.540 I just need to renounce my British citizenship 1.00
02:21:59.980 because the dual nationals aren't allowed to run. 1.00
02:22:02.720 But, yeah, that is on the cards, and I think it'll be a blast. 1.00
02:22:07.580 Not that I think I'll be very good in Parliament
02:22:11.080 in terms of or enjoy it at all.
02:22:14.340 I will hate the experience.
02:22:16.260 Bureaucracy and politics in Parliament
02:22:20.180 is my idea of absolute torture. 0.99
02:22:24.100 But as a shit stirrer, 0.99
02:22:26.760 I think I'm going to have a lot of fun. 0.99
02:22:28.220 So, yeah, so I'm definitely looking at doing that
02:22:33.820 just to have the fun of actually having a go.
02:22:37.040 And I probably won't even run a campaign.
02:22:39.380 and I'll just sort of announce that I'm running
02:22:44.060 and then let the media do all the publicity for me.
02:22:48.340 Because I've already had, like, Davir Abramovich, 0.95
02:22:51.580 the head Jewish gargoyle,
02:22:54.440 say that I shouldn't be allowed to run for anything 0.99
02:22:57.500 because I want to build gas chambers.
02:22:59.320 That was when I was running for council,
02:23:01.260 which is really funny because as a lowly local council member,
02:23:06.280 I don't know what my power would be to actually install
02:23:09.220 gas chambers into every into the toilet of every new house that's built but um but apparently he
02:23:14.920 believes that i i i have that power so yeah i'm uh i will be running for office and i'm going to
02:23:22.860 have a blast doing it and i'm not going to take it too seriously but um uh yeah it'll be fun so
02:23:29.340 yes i will definitely be taking that route given the opportunity all right ferryman you're up
02:23:35.700 I think a lot of
02:23:43.660 what needs to be said
02:23:45.720 has already been said
02:23:46.820 and obviously thank you
02:23:50.080 to
02:23:50.680 Stephen and I didn't catch your wife's name
02:23:54.160 but your wife 0.89
02:23:55.980 for coming on 0.68
02:23:58.340 yeah I'll
02:23:59.760 leave her name blank
02:24:00.980 for the moment but yes
02:24:03.280 fair enough
02:24:04.000 um i know i just said yes my wife's just saying it's not like they can't find me i mean i'm tied
02:24:11.440 to this i know but i i know i just i just want i just like to keep it no they're having a weed
02:24:18.000 domestic on the space we domestic it's mrs band we'll just refer to as mrs mrs band yes mrs band 0.57
02:24:24.160 and and and you do as your husband tells you woman i don't like authority shut up
02:24:34.000 yes i am the man in this relationship you'll defer to me yes um anyway so
02:24:40.940 i the only thing that i would have to add here from a larger perspective i suppose
02:24:50.680 is that we all understand that we're at war but very few people are willing to be casualties
02:25:00.960 in that war and that's something we're going to have to overcome and something that obviously
02:25:06.940 Steven spoke to a lot tonight which is the willingness to be a casualty in this fight 0.99
02:25:12.800 now it helps when you have leadership like the Australians have who would not ask any of their
02:25:20.520 members to do anything that they wouldn't do and in most cases are asking them to do considerably
02:25:26.280 less than they are uh than they do themselves but ultimately if we're going to win we need people
02:25:35.740 um that are will that accept that the consequences of this fight could have extremely detrimental
02:25:43.660 impacts on them personally and that's just a risk that's a necessity if we're going to claim victory
02:25:51.520 and so now it doesn't mean that we should take those sacrifices lightly and when they happen
02:26:00.320 we should you know like as we've discussed tonight we should appreciate these stories and listen um
02:26:08.180 you know to them but um it's something that more of us need to be willing to do
02:26:15.780 and it's it's tough to do i mean from my own personal experience obviously i haven't been
02:26:24.080 through anything with you know steven's been through but um i had to make my peace with this
02:26:30.380 in ottawa in 2022 when i decided that i wasn't going to leave parliament and i wasn't going to
02:26:37.240 back away from the cops that i was going to stand there and refuse to move and come what may
02:26:43.360 like i had no idea what could have happened but um luckily i was one of the ones that was caught
02:26:50.060 and then released um but that could have gone very different and you know i made my peace with
02:26:55.620 that in that moment as did hundreds of others um who stood there with me um as steve hanson said
02:27:04.800 courage is contagious and uh i mean the aussies are a textbook on this the every time i see them 0.59
02:27:12.000 do something i'm like we need to work fucking harder like i i have like a a saying now with 0.74
02:27:18.440 the guys where you know whenever i see patriot front or the nsn or you know any of the groups 0.99
02:27:26.220 that are active like this getting out there i go to the guys and i'm like row you bastards row 0.99
02:27:32.040 like let's fucking go like it's time like we gotta catch up here we've got work to fucking do 0.99
02:27:37.820 you know these guys are on the beach and we're still out at sea like let's fucking get row in 1.00
02:27:42.840 here um and so i don't know i i appreciate um listening to steven's story and um row you bastards 0.98
02:27:53.120 row yeah man steven any final thoughts and then we'll close up the space 0.54
02:28:03.600 um probably the final thought is just um look all of the people that the listeners out there
02:28:13.260 are looking up to um especially when you look at you know the the real leaders of
02:28:18.540 these organizations like tom and um they all started small they they they once had nobody
02:28:30.320 they once were just a single person
02:28:33.560 deciding that they've had enough 1.00
02:28:35.620 and fuck it 1.00
02:28:37.060 I'm going to do it regardless of the consequences 1.00
02:28:39.340 that's how they all started
02:28:41.040 and if you've nobody around
02:28:43.620 you at the moment, if you're alone
02:28:45.120 if you don't have a network of people
02:28:47.700 who think like you
02:28:48.600 just start anyway
02:28:50.400 it may not lead to anything
02:28:52.480 but at least you'll feel better about yourself
02:28:55.820 and
02:28:57.280 if six people
02:28:59.820 or, you know, around the country or in that situation,
02:29:04.440 if just six of you or even less, if it was just you,
02:29:08.480 one of you will make it.
02:29:11.400 One of you will be the next Tom Saw.
02:29:14.320 So start.
02:29:16.800 Don't worry about what it will lead to.
02:29:19.600 It might lead to nothing, but that's not why you do it.
02:29:21.920 You do it for yourself first.
02:29:23.800 So do it for you.
02:29:25.360 and who knows
02:29:28.360 what will happen after that
02:29:30.340 who knows where it will lead
02:29:31.620 who knows who you will inspire
02:29:33.760 and even if you're not the person who ends up being the next
02:29:36.140 Tom Sewell, maybe just
02:29:38.020 your single action, your
02:29:39.760 single act of courage
02:29:41.300 will inspire
02:29:43.960 one other person who inspires one other person
02:29:46.340 who inspires one other person
02:29:47.860 and that person will be the next Tom Sewell
02:29:49.840 it's going to lead
02:29:52.120 to something, your individual
02:29:54.100 choices matter in the greater scheme of things and you may not see it and you might not feel it and
02:29:59.600 you may not experience any of it but I promise you from the bottom of my heart you yourself
02:30:06.380 personally will feel better for having done it even if you see no wider implications of what
02:30:14.660 you've done you'll still feel a lot better about yourself so yeah have that moment of courage when
02:30:20.900 your time comes take that step do that thing that you were thinking about and it will be worth it
02:30:28.160 somehow i can't tell you how only that it will be um so just go for it and and don't worry about
02:30:35.220 what's going to happen next that that's that's why you that's why we have this concept called
02:30:40.700 god that's why we have this concept of faith you do what you're supposed to do give the rest up
02:30:47.020 to god or the ether or nature or whatever you believe in or just do it just for the
02:30:54.380 fuck of it give up the consequences and give up the outcome to others don't worry about the outcome
02:31:01.140 do it just because it's good for you and feels good for you and holds your integrity together 0.96
02:31:07.760 and something will happen whatever it is but i promise you it'll be worth it
02:31:14.300 amen that's amazing and i'll just say thank you so much for you to you and your wife and
02:31:22.420 it's not easy to move me to emotion i'm a very unemotional person base knows this
02:31:27.820 so um you did and honestly it kind of put me in the it gave me a little bit more perspective that
02:31:34.420 you know some days i feel like it's not worth it all this is just not worth it the hassle and the
02:31:39.020 bullshit that you deal with but uh you've definitely inspired me to you know keep going 0.88
02:31:44.320 i think it's a case i think it's a case of do you want evil to win 1.00
02:31:51.160 are you against it you know who do you stand with you got to stand with god and you got to
02:31:58.180 stand with truth and you've got to stand with what's what's right and the other side of things
02:32:03.240 is if you do nothing
02:32:04.360 they're definitely going to win
02:32:06.420 like they're going to
02:32:09.200 come for you sooner or later anyway
02:32:10.800 you can either be like a sheep 1.00
02:32:12.760 and hope that the crocodile eats your ass 1.00
02:32:14.780 or you can just go bugger it 1.00
02:32:16.900 if I'm going to be eaten by a crocodile I'm going to go down 0.99
02:32:19.180 trying to reenact
02:32:21.320 that scene from Crocodile Dundee where he sticks 1.00
02:32:23.260 a knife in his fucking head first 1.00
02:32:24.420 you know how am I going to die 1.00
02:32:26.620 am I going to die like a sheep on my knees
02:32:29.400 after a year after year
02:32:31.540 after year after year of them slowly chipping away at me. And basically, I was dead from the
02:32:39.800 moment I was born and I was just waiting to be buried. Am I going to die like that? Or am I
02:32:45.340 going to die fighting? Win or lose? Which way do you want to go down? Which way do you want to go
02:32:53.020 down? Because they're coming for you regardless. Sooner or later, they're going to come for you
02:32:59.600 and your family regardless of what you do if you power in your bedroom for the rest of your life
02:33:05.280 they're still gonna get you eventually so why not go out fighting who cares if you win or lose just
02:33:13.980 do it because that's the better way to go out die a glorious death don't die whimpering in a corner
02:33:22.520 would they take the last piece of you that you've got left to give
02:33:26.660 are you getting vibes of stern vocal here
02:33:32.040 it took a comical turn there at the end but he's a hundred percent
02:33:37.780 right in that the reason blackpilling makes no sense is because even if it was 0.58
02:33:44.320 fucking true that it's hopeless and there's nothing that can be done 0.64
02:33:48.160 you should still fight because what else are you gonna do 0.96
02:33:52.180 what else is there to do just lose like even if it is hopeless you still fight so that your very
02:33:59.280 last action can be at least be to spit in the face of the people who are doing what you know 0.97
02:34:04.980 they are to us and so black killing never makes sense you've got to go out with a hard on i'm 0.99
02:34:10.780 sorry guys this is sexual but you have to go out you know with bigger you've got to you know like 0.99
02:34:17.820 You lose your potency as a man when you just give in. 0.79
02:34:23.320 If you're going to die, go out feeling full of testosterone, guys.
02:34:28.840 I mean, come on.
02:34:29.520 What happened back in when we were all in the medieval days and we're at war
02:34:36.060 and we're knights in shining armors and fighting each other
02:34:40.660 and one's got a bigger arm than the other?
02:34:43.040 You still fight.
02:34:43.840 Well, this is something that I was going to add to this as well, which is there's a reason why these final last stands, these stories are the quintessential, you know, climactic moments in European history.
02:35:00.080 And it's something we all appreciate, whether it's Thermopylae or the Siege of Vienna or Charlemagne or insert whatever story you'd like.
02:35:10.580 There's a reason why we lionize these stories of final last stands or last charges or desperate efforts.
02:35:19.260 And it's because it speaks to something very deep and important to our nature, which is honor.
02:35:27.140 blood and honor yeah just just blood and honor exactly blood and honor and just remember people
02:35:34.760 if you're black pills just remember if you go out fighting in a thousand or three thousand years time 0.94
02:35:42.660 there'll be a movie about you and you'll have fantastic abs and hopefully they don't replace 0.98
02:35:47.880 you with a black person hopefully you're not played by denzel washington oh god oh god 0.98
02:35:56.680 Don't black-tail people really badly. 1.00
02:35:58.700 Come on. 0.99
02:36:02.480 Hanson, I see you there.
02:36:03.820 You got the final, final, after final thought.
02:36:08.280 Yeah, so this last point that was made by Mr. Wells and Ferryman
02:36:14.780 is encapsulated in the chorus of one of Greg Arcade's songs
02:36:19.040 on his album soundtrack to The Collapse, and it goes,
02:36:22.360 you gotta fight against the dying of the lie with all that you got inside you
02:36:28.640 if you go down swinging you can say that you did all you could do
02:36:34.340 so if you're gonna go down go down swinging go down swinging amen amen um well steven and mrs
02:36:46.540 Stephen, thank you so much for your time. And I'm glad, like, you know, this is, again, a connecting opportunity, connecting you to Frank, connecting you to Steve Hansen, Ferryman, of course, who's like, you know, a brother from another mother with Australia Extra, you know, coming in hot from Ireland.
02:37:07.060 So I just really want to thank the panelists for making this like a really rich and powerful discussion. And, you know, my friends down there, Blondie, Lee, I see you, Canadian girl, Red, you know, the Deport Report's been hanging all night.
02:37:24.880 thank you so much um for being with us i got i got a total story of white power tonight
02:37:31.820 and a story of courage resilience and tenacity um and defiance oh the sweet the sweet sweet
02:37:41.580 taste of defiance um and it and it's balanced with love and faith so i definitely feel enriched
02:37:49.500 tonight posty like we knocked it out of the park this was amazing we had these amazing sessions
02:37:55.100 with the australians we're deeply connected um so thank you everybody and admin if you're there
02:38:01.980 you can shut us down you can shut us down but thanks everybody thanks guys thank you bye
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