Notorious neo-Nazi Matthew Grutter has been thrown into the Villawood immigration detention centre after having his visa cancelled. Another Neo-Nazi has tried to confront the Prime Minister over this incident. Anthony Albanese is in Bunbury, Western Australia holding a ministry meeting this afternoon. Hagen Palm, the chapter leader of the WA National Socialist Network, is outside that gathering and wants to quiz the PM about the incident.
00:03:40.820Members and supporters of John Ayrn, our new nationalist group, which was formed for the purpose of representing authentic Irish nationalism in the 21st century.
00:03:49.100Everywhere, we find IPAS centres, so-called protection centres.
00:03:54.520You see, they are not the kind of people who need protecting.
00:04:59.820I'll spit in the face of these people as I go down.
00:05:05.640I'm not going to fucking, I guess I'll just fucking hang up, you know, my hat and I'll just wait for the, you know, everything I care about and everything I hold dear to just be ripped away from me.
00:05:30.240Well, it's kind of ridiculous that the response to us protesting against Jewish lobbies, advocacy, hate speech laws and other laws against political protest is to push for even more laws against freedom of speech.
00:05:44.720Even more laws against political, political protest is supposed to be a liberal democracy, I thought.
00:05:49.620We're trying to, you know, go by the rules of democracy, register our political party, engage in peaceful protests.
00:05:55.260We even notified the police and everything by the book.
00:05:58.200And that's what you have in a free society, a difference of opinion.
00:06:02.120So why can't we express our opinions to everybody else?
00:07:29.180Anthony Albanese is in Bunbury, Western Australia, holding a ministry meeting this afternoon.
00:07:33.880Hagan Palm, the chapter leader of the WA National Socialist Network, is outside that gathering and told Seven News he wants to quiz the Prime Minister about Matthew Grutter's visa cancellation.
00:07:46.340Grutter is a South African national and is being deported, having his visa cancelled, after he joined 60 other men dressed in black outside New South Wales Parliament on Saturday, November 8, conducting an anti-Semitic protest.
00:08:00.260Hold my breath as I whispered dear, oh please God wake me.
00:08:08.540I just went ahead and chopped off everything.
00:26:41.440I have no idea I've never seen that before with spaces and people are saying it said the host has connection issues I absolutely do not have any connection issues that was some major fuckery going on from
00:26:54.500yeah that's a hundred percent I've never seen anything like that I've never seen anything like that before in spaces so that's unfortunate kind of a pain in the ass because we had a lot of people in the initial space although this one is doing alright too so fuck them I guess I'm trying to get contact with Jeremy there to let him know to join I also retweeted it and everybody just share the space okay?
00:27:11.780like everyone share it right now and then okay so Alex can I try to make you co-host? like I tried sending it to second son to co-host but it wouldn't work
00:27:35.640uh is second son still in the I only brought it into here just so that people can see it if they want to uh or they they can you know
00:27:45.380there's Jeremy okay we're good okay do I make you co-host or do you think it'll fuck up or what?
00:27:52.420yeah you can if you want just so I can help with uh whatever admin um because I was gonna do this you know because we had a way of uh approaching the questions
00:28:05.200that we were gonna you know do this but yeah well I can just host you guys can do I can just be here just do
00:28:12.320whatever you were gonna do I'll just if you need help just call yeah yeah we appreciate that um this is
00:28:20.200very strange I've never I mean you hear of things like this but I've never personally experienced this
00:28:24.920in quite some time so um strange technical issue I've never seen before and can't really explain
00:28:31.380yeah um so I don't know if uh sorry I'm watching two screens sorry um I don't know if you want to
00:28:47.300explain Jeremy what it is we're intending on doing here but um why don't you kick it off
00:28:59.380sorry I was just uh coughing I was getting over a little bit of a virus here
00:29:06.940oh sorry about that all right oh yeah sorry everybody that took um that was about a good 15
00:29:18.260minutes of um trying to wrangle this um so hopefully this uh stays still everything seems to be fine
00:29:25.180so for whatever reason uh the account club account there is um dropping the connection every
00:29:34.060you know after after a minute or two trying to go live so we had to just uh substitute this so um
00:29:39.340uh thank you uh bb for hosting uh and letting us um use your digital house uh so to speak um so yeah
00:29:48.920as Alex uh uh mentioned alluded to we're just here to do um sort of a q a sort of a town hall I guess
00:29:54.380um as we've had uh an incredible amount of uh attention um emails questions um other things uh
00:30:07.640but a lot of questions a lot of um um misconceptions discrepancies all kinds of a lot of them are
00:30:14.060repeating and a lot of people are asking a lot of the same things so um we thought it would be
00:30:18.720prudent and helpful perhaps to uh just do this and we'll give everybody a chance to um you know
00:30:25.420maybe find out for themselves if there's something you want to you know or ask um about what we're
00:30:29.720what we're up to or what we've been up to or or whatever is uh appropriate to to answer we can
00:30:36.160certainly do that um because there's all kinds of things that uh people will say especially the media
00:30:41.780who are you know not not here to tell anybody the truth about anything that's for sure uh for sure
00:30:46.980um so this is really the only way you can you can get around that is just make yourself available and
00:30:51.740people can you know ask uh ask themselves if they want to if they don't want to then they don't want
00:30:56.640to we can't really do anything more than that um so uh we thought we would just cover some of the
00:31:02.680some of the basics and then hope that you guys can um you know chip away and uh ask whatever
00:31:08.700it is uh that's on your mind if it's um pertinent uh there'll be probably some things we can't really
00:31:15.440get into for um i mean fairly obvious reasons hopefully we can explain but for the most part i
00:31:21.100think uh we're pretty open to whatever anyone uh is interested to know so um yeah with that i don't
00:31:29.560know if alex has anything else he wants to add um yeah i mean i guess we could
00:31:38.580start just by saying what it exactly is that we are because there's a lot of misconceptions about
00:31:44.160what we are um you know the simplest way of explaining it is that we're a canadian men's
00:31:50.320nationalist club um and we engage in a variety of activities but the primary focus of our club is to
00:31:58.200start organizing canadian men to uh insulate themselves from the growing problems
00:32:08.180firstly that are occurring in this country and secondly to begin organizing guys to push back
00:32:14.660against those problems and so um you know we get painted as a lot of different things but
00:32:20.880mostly these are just guys that are concerned with the direction this country has been going
00:32:25.460um they've been a lot of them have been involved in uh various aspects of politics and uh society
00:32:32.440and volunteering and stuff like that for years at this point and you know every uh venture into
00:32:40.060doing any of these things that they've been part of has failed or um you know not lived up to what
00:32:46.940they expected it to be and they're turning to something like us um you know as as a potential
00:32:52.980answer to um those failures so you know that's the the short answer of like what the club actually is
00:33:01.080and obviously we have a certain kind of guy that we're looking for and with certain beliefs about
00:33:06.420what this country is and who the people are who make up this country and you know who we're trying
00:33:11.700to represent and all these things um but basically what we're doing is we're attempting to represent
00:33:18.400canadians in a way that nobody is willing to do anymore um and give these guys an outlet uh for a
00:33:26.180constructive use of their frustrations uh of the direction this country is headed so like that's a
00:33:33.160maybe a a short or convoluted answer to uh you know what we are but um you know i'm sure a lot of
00:33:41.540this will come out in the questions that get answered tonight um regarding the way we're going to take
00:33:47.160questions tonight um we will not be taking bad faith questions obviously this is not your opportunity
00:33:55.360to come in and spurg out about what you think we are uh or to spread lies about us we're not you if
00:34:02.660you want to do that you can do that on your own platform we're not going to give you one to do that
00:34:06.620we're here to answer good faith questions uh from all comers uh whether they are critical of us
00:34:13.780supportive of us it doesn't necessarily matter but as long as the question is made in good faith and
00:34:18.900we have no problem answering it and i believe that we have answers for all of these questions that
00:34:24.200are opposed to us but it's difficult to be able to um you know answer uh every
00:34:54.200and then um um hey and somebody else canubscribe followers of all that we understand and then
00:34:59.320we'll be preparing for you again for a point i have a lot of questions i know that my
00:35:00.540question is you just noticed how do you know what am i gonna do that and not wait right
00:35:03.040and how does that happen and how we can talk about them to people that who are
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00:37:04.980I mean, I think that's all the confirmation I need to know.
00:37:10.120It's almost like it was localized to that one account for some reason. That's so strange.
00:37:13.780So, we'll bring up Joseph E. Posma first, who I've spoken with before, but he's welcome to jump up here.
00:37:24.460Sure. And, yeah, good explanation. I like what you said there. And I think, especially as far as the, you know, why, you know, people can agree with your worldview or just ideas you have, but why the club is essentially, you know, why that?
00:37:39.080Why do you have to do it this way? Because there's just ways, you know, the world works.
00:37:44.440The problems we have, I believe, are significantly beyond the ability of any individual person to deal with.
00:37:52.940And as we've come to realize, especially over COVID, the power disparity between the state, the media, all of these things and the individual and their families is just obscene to the point that the things that went on were able to go on precisely because there's not some sort of organized body of anything that is working on the other side.
00:38:17.300Everything that existed in that way was on that side. So, you know, it's not the millions of people in the country, you know, versus you as an individual.
00:38:28.640They only have to really, you know, crush each person at a time because everyone was just looking out for themselves, more or less.
00:38:34.060And we don't have any of these kind of brick and mortar clubs, associations, fraternities, anything like that in our communities like we used to have.
00:38:42.320But, you know, guys had a vested interest in looking out for each other and taking an interest in each other's lives and just their general well-being and so on.
00:38:49.480This, I believe, is what is foundational to a strong community, which is what you need several of to make a strong country.
00:38:58.700So, you know, partially it's the individual responsibility, but it's also, you know, to be a good, healthy part of a, you know, stronger whole.
00:39:06.140And, you know, that's how you get anything done as a team.
00:39:09.200Otherwise, you know, I think people as individuals trying to take on any kind of problem, like maybe you're starting to live in a hostile country.
00:39:17.880Like, if you're going to do that by yourself, I, you know, it's good luck to you.
00:39:22.500But I don't, there's not too many success stories I've found out in my day.
00:39:28.240So I just, you know, it makes sense to me.
00:39:32.960And, you know, one day we just decided it was, you know, do it or don't, whatever's going to happen is going to happen.
00:44:12.660We're in, we're in such a unique situation that, um, I, I think is, is unprecedented in, um, our history.
00:44:23.540Anyway, um, we've got similar ones in, you know, most across the world and in a lot of Western countries, but, um, you know, we're in Canada, I'm Canadian.
00:44:32.920So I can only, uh, you know, worry about my own oxygen mask first.
00:44:36.660And it's in such a way that, um, you know, you could, not, not that I would necessarily use that word, but it could, it's gotten to the point where trying to live in the ideals and circumstances and value system, um, of our own parents or grandparents is considered extreme and revolutionary.
00:45:04.580Uh, so I don't know what to call that, um, that would suggest that there has already been a revolution because when my parents and grandparents, uh, held just the basic common sense, everyday value system, they weren't terrorists and, um, dangerous people.
00:45:24.220Uh, but now that seems to have flipped on its head.
00:45:27.040So if, uh, just trying to maintain control and, you know, ownership of our own identity and what is, you know, normal and Canadian and, uh, how we've always been, because.
00:45:39.660You know, that's, you know, that's who we are that, um, you know, if that's going to be called something like a revolution of some sort, I mean, that says more about the country we're in than, than us.
00:45:56.440Whereas, you know, um, we can only control what we control, which is ourselves.
00:46:00.680And we can try to commit to each other and build a team and try to have a, uh, a better shot collectively at, at the, you know, rapidly, it seems deteriorating world that we're in.
00:46:11.880So, you know, that's just what makes sense to me.
00:46:14.860It's not, uh, you know, aiming to do X, Y, or Z.
00:46:18.260It's more of a, uh, you know, quarter to quarter, year to year, um, you know, long-term commitment to survival, uh, at this point.
00:46:26.620Um, but more directly, I mean, uh, I'm not naive.
00:46:34.320I'm perfectly aware of the implications of, uh, something like what we're doing.
00:46:39.300And I can only say that if, if there's going to be some sort of, you know, confrontation, that's not going to be our doing.
00:46:46.680It would be because, uh, you know, that sort of scenario was visited upon us.
00:46:53.200And then, you know, you can't, uh, can't ask people to just stand there and, and be abused, you know?
00:47:00.880So it's really, you know, it's really up to, uh, up to fate in a lot of, in a lot of ways.
00:47:06.860Um, we're not aiming to, you know, overthrow an attack or do, you know, anything like that is, is preposterous.
00:47:13.380Um, but, you know, if we're not going to be permitted to exist, I mean, you know, you're, you're putting people in, in quite a precarious situation.
00:47:22.840And that seems to be, uh, the general demeanor of the, of the government and the media and kind of the, you know, unspoken, but getting close to be status quo.
00:47:31.960So, so, you know, it's, uh, it's a difficult question to answer because we don't live in a black and white up and down, you know, one plus one is two world anymore.
00:47:43.020It's, uh, it's, it's quite a bit of chaos.
00:47:46.220So, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, it's just, you're going to have a better shot with a group as a team, you know, and that includes, uh, you know, your family, like everybody, um, people who are, you know, you know, you're committed to each other.
00:47:58.300That's, you know, that's just what it's, that's how we've always survived everything in the past.
00:48:05.200It just is, uh, unless somebody has a better idea, you know, if somebody, uh, but I don't want anybody to suggest a little, why don't we just vote?
00:48:18.540Um, the way, so when Canadians talk about revolution, I kind of cringe.
00:48:26.360And the reason I cringe when I hear that word is because it's the improper framing to get Canadians to act.
00:48:33.480Um, now I don't want to get into a big diatribe about our history, but if you don't understand that Canada was found in opposition to revolutionary values,
00:48:44.100and the idea that, you know, you're going to be able to appeal to Canadians on a revolutionary basis, um.
00:48:51.600I just, sorry, I just wanted to say this one.
00:48:53.700Uh, if there is, if there's a revolution to be had, if that's, you know, what the term you mean, it's a, it's a cultural one.
00:48:59.920And it's a one where the Canadian people have either, you know, discovered or rediscovered, uh, a sense of themselves.
00:49:47.160Um, so if you want to talk in these terms with Canadians, I think we have to begin, first of all, by reframing, you know, the way we look at it.
00:50:09.020And obviously it's, it's reached its pinnacle and it's, you know, end with Justin Trudeau.
00:50:14.420Um, that's where we saw, you know, the, the, the end result of the policies that were introduced in the 1960s and seventies.
00:50:22.220And so if you want to frame it in, you know, among Canadians that we need a revolution, the way you should be framing it is that we need a counter revolution against the ideologies that hijacked our institutions in the 1960s and seventies.
00:50:36.220And we need to reclaim them for the Canadian people because they were stolen from us and then handed out to everybody and anyone from anywhere.
00:50:46.060So, um, I, I just disagree with that framing.
00:50:50.500First of all, I don't think that it will ever work.
00:50:52.820I think that, um, you have to appeal to Canadians on their founding principle, which is loyalism, not revolution.
00:51:00.900Um, this is a very, you know, distinct difference and it's why you have such a vitriolic reaction from Canadians to, you know, American concepts like, um, revolution.
00:51:13.140You know, even things like when you, when you argue for things like gun rights in terms of the second amendment, you're doing yourself a disservice because there's an inherent, um, you know, genetic memory that Canadians have that will always oppose Americanism, which is exactly why the liberals were able to tap into that spirit.
00:51:32.740It's so easily, you know, a year ago, um, when Trump was doing his tariff stuff, the, the liberals were able to hijack national sentiment and, you know, patriotism because they tapped into that inbuilt Canadian, you know, dislike of being, um, subjected to American imperialism.
00:51:52.260So these perception is very important and they understand that that's, uh, what really where the, uh, where the money is, as far as this goes.
00:51:59.980And they use it to manipulate people very well.
00:52:27.080And the reason why is because there's a tendency, you and I actually talked about this a little bit in a space last week, uh, Joseph, but, um, there's a tendency of people to put the cart before the horse.
00:52:40.040And they think that if they can come up with, um, you know, the correct, uh, you know, governmental system or state craft or something like that.
00:52:51.660And they can just promote that, then that will fix the problem.
00:52:54.700And, you know, the question that I always have for people.
00:52:57.920And I asked you, this is with what army, um, if you want to enact any of, like, it doesn't matter what you want to do in Canada in 2025.
00:53:05.680If you want to achieve anything, you need a lot of people that are really well organized, really well funded and really committed to the cause.
00:53:17.960There is not a well-organized segment of the population that even comes close to the Sikh voting block, the Hindu voting block, the Muslim voting block, the Jewish voting block, all of these ethnic groups, all of these different, you know, diaspora populations currently occupying our country.
00:53:35.680Our country are extremely well organized, which is why a two to 3% of the population that is Sikh are able to, you know, bend politicians to their will, like it's nothing and get them, you know, up in front of large crowds, you know, singing Punjabi nursery rhymes.
00:53:53.120They are well organized and they know how to do this and we don't yet.
00:53:57.540And so our primary focus with this, with the club is to start getting guys organized and to turn them into professionals who are capable of doing this at scale, consistently, sustainably, and with growth.
00:54:13.520And all of those things are essential elements.
00:54:16.640So the analogy that I use whenever I'm talking about this all the time is that, you know, we have a lot of people looking at the broken engine that is our country.
00:54:27.060And, you know, one person says it's the alternator and another person says it's the fan belt and another person says it's the battery and another, you know, there's a ton of things wrong with this thing potentially.
00:54:37.120And everybody has a different opinion of what's most important to fix, but the problem with the way they're looking at this situation is that they don't have any of the prerequisite tools that are required for them to even begin considering fixing the engine or exchanging parts.
00:54:54.460So what is the point of talking about, you know, what's wrong with the engine whenever you don't even have a 10 millimeter socket to begin, you know, taking the thing apart and putting it back together.
00:55:04.640So our goal with Second Sons is not to have, you know, a well-polished, finished version of this is exactly what society should look like after total Second Sons victory.
00:55:17.280Our job with Second Sons is to begin bringing the men together who want to fight, who recognize that something is very wrong, and get them to become professional organizers and activists for the cause long term.
00:55:32.840So we're not one-offs, not we do this, you know, we all show up and we do one protest, we pat ourselves on the back and we go home and, you know, claim victory.
00:55:41.280That's not enough. It needs to be sustained and it needs to be done over a long-term basis.
00:55:46.360And not a lot of people want to hear that, you know, because they want easy victory.
00:55:51.220They want the 10-word, you know, one-sentence answer on how we fix the country.
00:55:56.840And if there was that answer, the country would already be fixed.
00:56:02.280So the real test that we have is to get guys meeting routinely, consistently, in growing numbers and expanding the sophistication with which they are able to address the problems that exist in this country.
00:56:19.980So that's our main focus, is getting those guys together and turning them into professionals.
00:56:26.320And it's good to have, you know, if you're somebody that is in that headspace where you have ideas about, you know, what should happen or what should be fixed or whatever, at least you care.
00:56:35.860You know, that's, you don't have that, you don't have anything.
00:56:38.220You know, and I found myself doing that at first as well.
00:56:42.940But you just, you have to go deeper than that.
00:56:58.520You can be the smartest man in the world.
00:56:59.780And if you have no power and no will to, or no courage to enact or, you know, bring about any of the things you want, it doesn't matter what you know.
00:57:15.740So, you know, some people are very uncomfortable with leaving the comfort of their computer screen or their phone and engaging in something in real life.
00:57:27.720But, you know, how else is it supposed to, how is anything else supposed to happen?
00:57:34.100You know, have we already reached this stage where we believe everything is done from behind the phone or a computer screen in your sweatpants?
00:57:39.680Like, you know, it's, we have a serious addiction to comfort and convenience.
00:57:45.280And it's funny that this has become like a controversial thing to do.
00:57:50.000When I was a kid in the 90s, you know, groups of guys and matching shirts was not something, you know, you called the cops for.
00:57:56.680Sure. Okay. It's, it's not that outrageous, but, you know, that's where we found ourselves.
00:58:02.020So, I don't know. I think we're better off trying to help each other out.
00:59:11.320Well, while we wait, because there's nobody requesting, at least I can't see them, so maybe blonde, I don't know if anyone's requesting or not, but we can be.
00:59:38.700Uh, Jinja Ninja says, does SSC take a position on Alberta's attempt at independence?
00:59:45.800I mean, we both have a similar answer, but I'll give you the short one.
00:59:50.020I think that Alberta independence is foolish, short-sighted.
00:59:53.320They don't really understand the nature of what they're getting into, and it probably won't work.
00:59:58.600And, ultimately, most Alberta separatists are going to come around, and they're going to become Canadian nationalists again, which is an unfortunate delay,
01:00:06.940because we can't do Canadian nationalism without Alberta.
01:00:10.700So, obviously, as Canadian nationalists, we don't want to see the country torn apart.
01:00:14.680We want to see it revitalized, and we want to reclaim it.
01:00:17.640So, yeah, like, I'm not going to shit on them, because I understand their grievances, and I understand why they're trying to do what they're doing.
01:00:25.800I just, I can see the horrible problems that are inbuilt into the foundation of Alberta separatism, and a lot of people don't want to talk about them.
01:00:38.340But, you know, I think that they'll do this for two or three years, and they'll realize it's a dead end.
01:02:46.100It has just been neglected and allowed to fester for decades, and now it is in every corner and facet of our lives, and now it wants to decide what you're allowed to say and feel and think in public on the Internet.
01:03:00.100And it won't stop there, so that's a problem.
01:03:05.860If you have people like that making all of the decisions with basically an untouchable grip on power, I mean, you know, I don't think – what is a bigger problem?
01:03:20.360Well, if that can be addressed or mitigated in some way, that would have a, you know, a cascading effect on everything else underneath it.
01:03:27.180But I think just targeting a specific issue like immigration, I would say, I agree, is that most – who's doing the most damage, there are others.
01:03:37.120You know, you can't focus on just one thing when it's a symptom or it's a tool being deployed from a bigger problem that you're not seeing, which will just, you know, continue in another way.
01:03:50.420You know, it's like shutting down one drug dealer while there's 25 more in the city, and you just call it a day.
01:04:00.040So, you know, I would say people running the country not having our interests at the bottom, if at all, in their priority list is probably my biggest issue.
01:04:19.220I would just – like, Jeremy's obviously correct.
01:04:22.880You know, all of these – any problem that we have stems from horrible leadership.
01:04:26.880I would – the reason I say immigration is because every topic that is brought up – like, look, we could just go through it.
01:06:09.300You don't think that's causing – they're all in lineup for health care and cars and jobs and food.
01:06:15.540And now they're – in PEI, they're saying we may have to do rolling blackouts this winter because the power grid is failing because there's that many people with their damn phones plugged in now.
01:06:43.720Um, anyway, sorry, I don't want to get too off the horn here, but, uh, yeah, it's a big problem, and it's not – they're trying to frame it like it's a race – you're just a racist – you're trying to – I don't know what they think.
01:06:56.280Make a – make a utopian Jurassic Park, you know, racist planet or something.
01:07:00.500But it wouldn't matter to me if it was 500 million Swedish people.
01:07:04.240Like, at the end of the day, they're not ours, they're not our problem, we don't owe them a standard of living, and we can't afford it, and it's killing our country.
01:07:13.520This is – this is like, um, you're – you're either deliberately being obtuse on – because you're complicit or you don't care, or – I don't know what to think.
01:07:23.660But it's – it's really not a difficult problem, and the fact that so many people refuse to engage with it is very disturbing.
01:07:29.300The last element that I would add to this as well is that, um, you know, obviously, we're a nationalist group.
01:07:42.640It's not a set of borders or a state government.
01:07:45.580Um, and so, obviously, we object to the idea of importing, uh, millions of people who are not of our, uh, you know, folk, not of our nation, into our nation, and then giving them political rights within it.
01:08:58.100You can go look at early Canadian history, um, check what our prime ministers believed about this.
01:09:04.220You know, the greatest, you know, politicians, the greatest heroes.
01:09:07.320Um, you know, they didn't have, uh, a hard time dealing with this question.
01:09:11.860It's only, you know, through modernity and the advent of, you know, the Multicultural Act and this, uh, you know, the gaslighting that Canadians have been put through in modern times that makes them think that.
01:09:23.760And, you know, if you want an example of that, um, you can go look at old Canadian war posters or propaganda and you'll find that there's a distinct lack of Sikhs and, you know, dolly walls on those, uh, photographs.
01:09:37.280And that's not, uh, because they were racist.
01:09:40.100It's because in 1961, 97% of the country was European and the vast overwhelming majority of that 97% was English, French, Scottish, or Irish, or some combination thereof.
01:09:56.460That is why, you know, it's on the red ensign.
01:10:15.440So that's why they had to do away with the red ensign in 1965.
01:10:19.620And, you know, people often ask, when did this start?
01:10:22.800Well, that's the date I like to give them.
01:10:24.540February 15th, 1965, when they took away our flag and replaced it with a corporate symbol that represented anyone from anywhere, you know, being, just inheriting our identity.
01:10:37.280Identity in our culture and turning it into whatever they want.
01:11:31.940It's decades of demoralization and telling you that you're, you know, not good.
01:11:36.700And now it's just outright admonishment in our own country.
01:11:39.600We're being accused of being, you know, genocidal freak shows and, you know, just criminal scum, basically, in our own home from, you know, whatever happened to love yourself and be proud of you and your family.
01:12:18.260This will go on until there's nothing left.
01:12:20.960The single best question that you can ask politicians, influencers, anybody trying to, you know, tell you they know what's going on in Canada and what needs to be done for Canadians is a very simple question.
01:12:39.160And the funny thing about asking these people who go on and on about, you know, what's best for Canadians, you know, what needs to be done for Canadians, who represents Canadians, all this stuff, is they don't really have an answer to that question.
01:12:52.600And if they do, it's a very convoluted one that alludes to some, you know, vague set of values that, funnily enough, describe their politics and what they believe most of the time.
01:13:03.360So if I ask a member of the Conservative Party, what is a Canadian?
01:13:06.680And they'll give you an answer that is a reflection of the Conservative Party's platform and vice versa.
01:13:11.780If I go to a Liberal and I say, what is a Canadian?
01:13:14.700The answer that you'll probably get is some concoction of diversity, equity and inclusion mixed in with whatever the Liberals are trying to achieve, you know, with their next set of bills.
01:13:43.260And it's only through gaslighting and propaganda that they've convinced so many Canadians that that's a horrible thing for them to believe.
01:13:50.660And this is why fundamentally part of the problem with the way that people argue against immigration today is that they always try to root it in the symptoms of immigration.
01:14:02.500They'll say, you know, it is true that it's bad for housing, it's bad for jobs, it's bad for whatever, right?
01:14:11.160But the fundamental problem with immigration is that you are importing people who are not Canadians and they cannot become Canadians.
01:14:20.040They can become paper Canadians, but they can never become Canadians.
01:14:24.280And so you will always be diluting what it is to be Canadian, you know, what that people actually is.
01:14:31.360And if you do that over a long enough time period, it doesn't matter what values you, you know, claim to have or hold on to or represents Canadians, you will fundamentally lose what it means.
01:14:42.520And so that's why, you know, part of what we believe with the club is that Canadians have to begin reasserting themselves as a distinct people.
01:14:50.000They have to contrast themselves with the, you know, the fresh off the boat paper Canadians that, no, you're not Canadian and you never will be.
01:14:59.360So I know the government is telling you that you are, and they're saying that, you know, you're welcome, but the truth is that you're not, you will never be Canadian.
01:15:14.380And so until Canadians begin doing that, we're never going to be able to address this problem because they don't see themselves as a distinct people.
01:15:21.300They see themselves as an economic unit.
01:15:23.520Yeah, and you just ask them, you know, I would just appeal to their own Canadian-ness and say, would you do that?
01:15:31.680Would you move with your family to Saudi Arabia and then start demanding everybody bend to you and, you know, you're going to start making decisions and telling them how to live?
01:15:47.300You don't do that at someone else's house.
01:15:48.460But we're being asked to be doormats in our own house for everyone, for the entire planet.
01:15:56.060And that's, you know, there's, you can't, no, we can't do that because there's kids living here.
01:16:01.380The last thing I'd like to add to regarding the whole, you know, Canadian values thing is how terrible of a test it is on what it means to be Canadian.
01:16:12.940Because I don't think anybody in here who claims themselves to be patriotic would say that, you know, Sir John A. MacDonald or Wilfrid Laurier or Robert Borden or William Lyon Mackenzie King weren't Canadians.
01:16:25.420But their values were very, are very different to the values that most Canadians have today, aren't they?
01:16:33.920So why is it that, you know, the values of, you know, the Conservative Party or the PP or any of these, you know, why is it today that that is what makes a Canadian?
01:16:42.580But that's completely in opposition to what, you know, the men who built this country and represented Canadians for the first hundred years of existence believed.
01:16:51.580It's, they're in complete opposition to one another.
01:16:54.900So would any of these people claim that, you know, Robert Borden was not a great Canadian?
01:17:10.060They tried to, you know, pass legislation and establish institutions.
01:17:14.780Like, they would never live to see the conclusions of these things.
01:17:18.960These guys are in their 60s and there's a, like, it was for their children and the grandchildren and the country at large.
01:17:24.040It was done with that intent to serve those people and, you know, bring about better circumstances for everybody.
01:17:29.060And these days, it's how much money they can steal from you by Friday.
01:17:32.360So why are we adhering to their version of what this country is instead of the people who did it out of love and respect in the first place?
01:17:38.360It doesn't, just because they're the most recent owners of the power chair, they get to say what it is now and in opposition to what it always has been.
01:17:50.560And I don't think they're prepared to have this conversation.
01:17:52.620I think, I think most people in the country haven't even thought of it.
01:17:55.700I didn't until, like I said, years ago.
01:17:57.600And then when I realized, I think somebody confronted me about this and I thought, you know what, I don't have an answer for that question.
01:18:22.440Hey, and just so you know, I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm going to remove all of these other speakers, except for the people that have their hands up.
01:18:39.300Hi, I just wanted to thank you guys for what you're doing in general, but I should preface my question, because I don't want to sound like a Fed, but around, I think, January 6, the federal government outlawed, like they put them in the terrorist list, the Proud Boys.
01:18:55.540So I'm wondering, like, what would you guys do if you end up getting put on that list?
01:19:14.080Like, January 6, like, when they stormed the Capitol, like, it was around that that brought attention to it, and then they just, they cracked down on any kind of org across Canada.
01:19:22.880Well, I've, what I've learned, personally, is that they will, if you, if you give them something to step on or hit, they will hit it as hard as they can, no matter if it's ridiculous or not.
01:21:31.240And then rely on fear and intimidation for people not to try it because it is dangerous.
01:21:34.820But just because it's dangerous doesn't mean it's impossible.
01:21:39.520And the best you can do is, you know, don't make any mistakes.
01:21:42.620And then if they decide, and this is something people ask us all the time, well, what about if they just do something crazy and then blame you?
01:21:51.280And in which case, well, we can't stop them from doing that anytime to anyone.
01:21:56.500If someone's going to do that, there's nothing you can do about it.
01:21:59.020We can only control ourselves and our own actions.
01:22:22.960And it's hard to justify doing something like that aggressively, even if it's not like some kind of setup, just saying, oh, well, they're just really awful.
01:22:32.180But there's no evidence of any of that.
01:22:34.900And you're setting a dangerous precedent.
01:22:36.820So you kind of win either way because you're forcing them to prove who they are, which is somebody who needs to be fought.
01:22:42.900So, you know, however we come about that is fine with me.
01:22:48.620But, you know, you just, you know, it's like being in a country that's very corrupt and the police are always stopping.
01:22:56.580It's like, well, don't do anything illegal.
01:23:21.060So the best they can do then is to try to set people up or, you know, and we try to, you know, enforce some personal discipline with the guys.
01:23:27.540Because I say, look, you know, you're a target.
01:23:29.620You could, you might think you can and no one's going to notice, but you don't know who's watching you.
01:23:35.040And if you go out and, you know, get drunk and do something stupid and somebody might be watching and your life might be over.
01:23:40.960So in a way, it's kind of like, it's kind of like reverse Santa Claus or something.
01:23:45.280It's like Big Brother's always watching.
01:23:46.600So you have to be a good person to win.
01:23:48.280So it's a funny little, funny thing that way.
01:23:51.320But, yeah, you assume they're always watching everything.
01:24:17.400In my experience, the much more threatening element is actually non-state actors.
01:24:24.100So it's the anti-hates, the CBC, random Antifa.
01:24:30.100They will do much more damage to your life for being part of an organization like this than the police will.
01:24:36.060And the reason for that is because you're not doing anything illegal.
01:24:39.060So it's only social pressures or cultural pressures that really do a lot of damage to people who take part in this.
01:24:47.440And so, you know, this ties into one of the questions that we get asked a lot is what's with the masks?
01:24:51.680Well, the reason that guys wear masks is because they act as a virtual shield against the, you know, proverbial slings and arrows of doxing, harassment, you know, attempts to get you fired from your employer, you know, attempts to get you kicked out of your rental, things like that.
01:25:11.120Your anonymity is a shield in this fight.
01:25:14.300And so that's why, you know, you get that advantage.
01:25:17.420But again, it's not just doesn't just also protect them.
01:25:20.040These people are known to go after families.
01:25:22.260So, yes, be the hardest ticket in the world.
01:25:39.060Like, you know, even I'm not a fan of the kid, but like Fuentes has a guy show up at his house with a gun.
01:25:45.220Like I we've had crazy people show up here.
01:25:47.640So, you know, you're putting other people at risk as well.
01:25:50.480If you're just being willy nilly about that.
01:25:52.360And it really it just depends on people's personal situation.
01:25:54.960Some guys are comfortable with it and don't care.
01:25:57.740And other guys are like, I'm just going to play it safe because I don't I'm not going to risk it.
01:26:01.660And other people, you know, they've got lives they value, but they're also, you know, they feel this is important as well.
01:26:08.280So it's just unfortunate that that's how hostile and unreasonable of a country that we're in, that you can't even publicly exist without threat of violence and may, you know, ill will towards you to the point that you have to be careful about your movements and exposing yourself in public spaces so that psychos don't try to burn your house down on Christmas Day, which has happened in other countries.
01:26:30.660Like this is this is the kind of malevolence that we deal with.
01:26:34.220And I don't know if people really understand that.
01:26:36.460I think maybe from the outside, they don't interpret that or understand that that's kind of what's going on.
01:26:40.840But, you know, and there's been you know, I've been I've been at this a while and Alex has as well and Derek has as well.
01:26:46.740And there's there's, you know, consequences just because we're still here doesn't mean that didn't happen.
01:26:50.620And there's been people that have had severe disruptions in their lives and personal relationships and so on as a result of what these people have done to them intentionally.
01:27:01.000And they know that that's what will happen and that's why they do it and they do it to try and ruin their lives and cause, you know, infighting and stress and anything like that to hurt them.
01:27:10.160So there's just no reason to voluntarily give them people to shoot at just to prove a point to people on the Internet who are using anonymous avatars and too afraid to use their own name.
01:27:21.580So, you know, it's just silly. We're not going to just offer them up to be, you know, chopped up to people.
01:27:28.420The irony, too, of of the like we're off the question a little bit here, but just while we are on the topic.
01:27:34.260In early October, we actually did an action, you know, through the club that involved 10 of us going mask off to a town hall where we were photographed, you know, in a crowd of 300 people.
01:27:49.700And for some reason, all of the people who, you know, comment about, you know, all they're wearing masks because they're feds or, you know, what what are you afraid of?
01:27:58.960For some reason, they never bring up the fact that that that happened in that.
01:28:02.760Well, first of all, there are several public facing guys within the organization who speak publicly for it.
01:28:08.480But there also are guys that are willing to go mask off.
01:28:11.620And funny thing, despite the fact that all of these guys went mask off, you know, none of them were shown to be police officers or intelligence agents or anything like that.
01:28:23.400And, you know, their their information has been made public for a month now or two months now.
01:28:29.160So isn't that funny how when when you do go mask off, people don't care anyways.
01:28:34.280It's really just a way to attack your guys and try to bait you into doing something stupid.
01:29:03.040You know, these are just these are just emotional reactions from frightened people.
01:29:07.580And that's why everything's so crazy right now.
01:29:09.720I believe that I was talking to somebody earlier today.
01:29:12.080There's like, you know, numerous murders and just crazy, you know, murder, suicides and stuff like people are really not well in this country.
01:29:31.760Like this is, you know, in the the people we pay millions of dollars to to make sure that doesn't happen are on TV smiling away like everything's great.
01:29:39.600So, you know, it's it's getting it's getting off of there.
01:30:45.380Yeah, no, but but, you know, it could happen.
01:30:48.840I don't I think we've got a great thing going here.
01:30:51.300But if that were to happen, the reason I use the term failing upward is because hundreds of guys are now connected that weren't before.
01:31:00.260Hundreds of guys are in a better position than they were before.
01:31:03.180All of these little groups that exist now across the country continue to exist.
01:31:08.120And, yes, maybe they can't use the branding anymore.
01:31:10.880And, yes, maybe they have to change the way they're communicating with each other.
01:31:14.260But that connection has still been made so that in the event that another organization comes along and tries to take another crack at it, they don't have such a hard time finding organized groups of men to jump on and start helping them push the ball down the field.
01:31:30.260So the whole purpose of engaging in these kinds of activities is not, you know, we've got the the the be all end all solution.
01:31:38.140And if we don't succeed, then nobody can succeed.
01:31:41.260It's maybe we can make a little bit of a dent.
01:31:45.800And, you know, if things go badly for us, then maybe it's not so hard for the next person that comes along and, you know, gives it a whack.
01:31:52.640Or maybe we're required to, you know, step back, rethink our approach and come back with a different one, you know, to keep moving our attempts forward.
01:32:02.820So there's really no I mean, again, people look for excuses.
01:37:33.780Well, that's why I prefaced it that way, because a lot of people don't trust them, and I understand that, but, like, there could be a variable in that situation, but I understand your...
01:37:43.920If I knew they were really, really, really accurate, I'd love to see what mine says, but...
01:37:52.380If you guys can't legally do it, I will not pursue any further than that, and good luck, boys.
01:37:58.620Well, I can tell you that our organization...
01:38:02.060Like, look, our organization is a meritocracy.
01:38:04.980We bring guys in who we think have the right, you know, qualities and characteristics that we're looking for within our organization, and I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of our organization is 100% European.
01:38:32.040I actually have three questions, and the first one follows up on what the fellow was just asking.
01:38:37.500I understand that you're selective about the applicants for your group, and I wanted to quickly ask if you think you might be potentially self-limiting what you could accomplish, and is there more...
01:38:52.160Is there potentially a benefit to be had by having a more of a big tent approach, which could help with the social pressures your group faces?
01:38:59.060I'm going to assume you mean specifically the fitness angle.
01:39:14.700Are you quoting a specific section of the website, or...?
01:39:18.440I had looked at your website, so yes, I do know that you have background checks, for instance, on individuals, which is more of a closed approach.
01:39:31.420You know, is there a benefit for having it a little bit wider, or are you anticipating...?
01:39:36.180You might be interpreting it as being more narrow than it is, but everybody's...
01:40:03.740Isn't the Big Ten to, like, we're trying to be, like, the foundation of what we're doing has to be something coherent and recognizable and solid that, you know, it can proceed with any confidence.
01:40:16.840And I've witnessed and participated in and been part of these kinds of efforts in the past where there wasn't really any kind of coherent core that is tying all of these people together, that is binding them, that is, you know, uniting them in any real way.
01:40:33.620It's either out of convenience or entertainment or something, and that's what we've seen in this, you know, freedom community devolve into just parking lot, you know, tailgate parties and this kind of stuff, because there's not really anything there other than they're generally dissatisfied, you know?
01:40:47.580So, and we also believe that this, the core, I mean, in not just our country, but in many others, but, again, we're in Canada, so our core identity is what is being deliberately struck at repeatedly.
01:41:01.300So, in order to defend that, that has to be defended at its core, just the same.
01:41:07.180It can't be this kind of broad, you know, all over the place.
01:41:10.760If they're going to go right at the heart of what, you know, the story and the people of this nation is, then they have to be defended there, not, you know, from kind of the periphery and through, you know, suggestions.
01:41:24.980I think it has to be very, it has to be made clear, because that's clearly, to me and to us, what is a favorite target, as they routinely delegitimize and condescendingly kind of talk down to, or if they mention our, you know, our past at all, it's never good.
01:41:44.300It's always some of the latest scandal and horror of why we suck, you know?
01:41:56.160He said you grew up with the participation.
01:41:58.020I remember there was all kinds of different things like that, that was just a message of, you know, something to think about, or something to be proud of, or something to hold your head up for, and take care of yourself, and take care of each other.
01:42:10.760You know, now it's, you know, kill yourself.
01:42:12.620We have 75,000 people dead from a government-sponsored death program out of, you know, and they're not even counting a significant portion, I think, of the elderly.
01:42:21.620So it could be over 100, only 60-some thousand died in the World Wars.
01:42:26.080Like, this country is fundamentally different for a lot of negative reasons.
01:42:34.740I don't think people are, I've heard a lot of people are willfully ignoring it, but that is, that's a big problem, is that they're really going at the core and the heart of our identity,
01:42:42.140which would just, if it doesn't exist and no one can find it, then you can never unite around that.
01:42:47.860And there's not really, what's a stronger principle, you know, than your own home?
01:42:54.780You know, that's a pretty solid unit of, you know, something real that can stand the test of time.
01:43:01.220It has in the past, and I just don't believe in, you know, the bonds created between men because they like the same hockey team.
01:43:53.460But the first thing we need is committed guys who are active.
01:43:57.320And so, the easiest way I can explain this to people who are listening is, under the Big Tent approach, let's use an example here.
01:44:06.840A lot of people are probably familiar with someone like Puck Daddy, okay, who's trying to do some kind of civic nationalist approach to anti-immigration,
01:45:33.780And it's a great effort that's doing something different.
01:45:37.360What we're looking for is the guys who are seriously committed to putting in at least, you know,
01:45:43.160once a month in some kind of, you know, action going on within the club.
01:45:48.360And ideally, guys that are committed to doing something once a week.
01:45:52.080And not just, you know, once a week is the in real life, you know,
01:45:56.060you're going to show up to something aspect of it.
01:45:58.160I also need guys who are going to answer their phones whenever I need information from them or respond in a group chat whenever, you know,
01:46:06.820some kind of thing is being suggested to the group.
01:46:09.540But you need guys who are actively engaged in the building of the organization, because that's the only way you're going to be able to continue scaling this year over year.
01:46:19.540If you're building a house, you know, what's the most important thing you make is the foundation, because if that sucks, it doesn't matter what you put on top of it.
01:46:32.540So, you know, in the early stages, you know, you need the most serious guys.
01:46:37.200You need the strongest ones that are, you know, willing to, you know, do the most, because this is when it's the hardest.
01:46:42.660And that's the kind of people you need to get to get anywhere else.
01:46:47.120You know, we don't need casual, you know, tire kickers.
01:46:50.200So when you have these kinds of barriers and, you know, obstacles to entry, it separates people from who are want to be entertained and have something to do for the afternoon and people who are willing to, you know, put themselves through something for something they believe in.
01:47:51.100On your FAQ page, it says, we offer our companionship, support, and unity that used to exist among the men of Canada in our communities.
01:47:59.440We reject aggressive insistence on radical individualism.
01:48:03.120And I just want to ask you, how would you define radical individualism?
01:48:06.400So, yeah, I mean, of course, I'm a very much a bizarre individual.
01:48:12.140I wouldn't want anybody to try and coerce that or limit that, as they have been, actually, as much as this government country likes to call itself some sort of tolerant place.
01:48:21.700But to the point that you reject the idea that you have any responsibility or any connection to the people around you, which a lot of people do, that they don't feel as though anyone else's problems or anyone else's is there.
01:49:02.200Like, we all require us together working as a team for all of this to work.
01:49:08.060And if it becomes, you know, everyone is just out for themselves, nothing works because everything, which is, you know, I think the results of this are on display as well.
01:49:18.260And we've never seen more corruption and, and, you know, erosion of every institution and every company and every, everything is just, you know, falling apart.
01:49:26.420And I, I really think there's a connection there.
01:49:29.060So, I mean, not that I don't, you know, respect the individual, but it's, there is such a thing as, as, you know, I would call it radical individualism.
01:49:35.880And I would think that would be that, where you just, you know, you are your, the sole center of your own universe.
01:49:43.360And, you know, I just, it's not going to lead to good results.
01:49:46.700The, the other thing that, you know, you could use to explain this is, um, I don't believe that, that freedom and liberty are synonyms for hedonism and materialism.
01:50:02.120And this is often what you find with, you know, people who preach, um, individualism, uh, libertarianism, anarchism.
01:50:10.560Um, they conflate, um, you know, their own freedom and liberty with their own pursuit of hedonism and, uh, you know, unlimited materialism.
01:50:21.000I believe that freedom and liberty are responsibilities and that if you want freedom and liberty as an individual, then you have a responsibility to the society around you that provides you that ability to live your life as a free individual and enjoy the liberties that you do enjoy.
01:50:37.440So, to me, freedom is duty and freedom is responsibility.
01:50:42.380It's not hedonism and, like, I can do whatever I want whenever I want because I'm an individual and that's often, you know, the way it gets portrayed, um, in modern society.
01:50:51.340And part of that is directly related to the status of men, especially in these contemporary times where they're not respected and they're the least valued members of society.
01:50:59.340And, um, how are you doing any of your hedonism or any of yours to all of those guys aren't guarding the walls anymore?
01:51:06.040You're, you're in trouble because there will be other guys who will come in and they will deal with you however they like, because you're totally unprotected.
01:51:14.160Like, there's so many, um, you know, uh, kind of concentric circles of, you know, participation and cooperation from, you know, everybody in our society to make this work.
01:51:24.340And as if people just branch off and do their own thing and give a, you know, it's, it's quite literally tearing apart, uh, the social connection and fabric of our civilization.
01:51:32.560And, you know, it's, it's going to be catastrophic.
01:51:35.500So we're trying to do what we can in our own way to at least stall or, or, you know, um, mitigate against that because it's having, you know, tremendously disastrous results.
01:52:27.100Um, my question is about, um, the fentanyl, the, the chemical warfare that, you know, we're dealing with.
01:52:36.040Um, I found that when the group addressed that, it was really impactful.
01:52:39.800I'm just wondering if there's any plans for addressing safety issues, um, mental health issues with children, our youth.
01:52:49.280I mean, I feel like the time is running out for them.
01:52:51.240I'm just wondering if there's any plans to address that within the club.
01:52:55.120There's, um, I mean, there's a lot of problems, unfortunately.
01:53:00.340And, you know, honestly, I'm sincere when I say it bothers me that we can't do more than we can.
01:53:09.260And, you know, I'm watching it every day and I'm seeing people get hurt every day.
01:53:13.640And it's just, it's a lot to deal with, especially like I've been literally fighting for this country since I was 17 years old.
01:53:20.780And it's, you know, it's horrible to see what's happening.
01:53:24.680But as we, you know, grow and expand and continue to, you know, grow these, not institutions, sorry, the organization, uh, our ability to respond to and take on, uh, things like this will increase, um, correspondingly.
01:53:39.820And in that particular instance, there was somebody, um, a couple of people actually from the area who I knew, and it was actually my hometown.
01:53:46.900I grew up just down the road from there.
01:53:49.160So, um, and I was aware of this happening all over the country.
01:53:53.680We've, we've been everywhere and it seems to be everywhere, but now it's even reached the sleepy small towns of, you know, rural, uh, maritime fishing villages.
01:54:01.620And it's, um, I mean, if it's there, it's everywhere and it's not okay.
01:54:06.760And no one wants to do anything about it.
01:54:09.120And it's just, again, another symptom of, um, everyone else's problem is not their problem.
01:54:15.260Um, and, you know, I, I'm, you know, I applaud you for, for, uh, you know, bringing attention to these things because that's, you know, if anything, they don't get entirely enough attention.
01:54:24.840And we're spending way too much time, um, with things that don't matter at all.
01:54:28.820I mean, I don't know how much time people spend on the damn blue jays and those ostriches, but I mean, a lot of people died in between.
01:55:39.300And, um, you know, the answer, I get different variations of this question a lot.
01:55:45.200So I've had, whether it's in interviews I'm doing with recruits or, uh, you know, members of the public or just people that have questions for me.
01:55:55.340Through social media, they'll say things like, you know, when are you guys going to have a youth wing?
01:56:00.920Like we need something for the kids or when are you guys going to have like a women's, uh, liaison group or like, you know, an association that's tied to the org?
01:56:08.800Or when are you going to have a civil rights, you know, advocacy wing, or it just goes on and on, right?
01:56:13.120There's all these things that we could do.
01:56:14.820And the answer to every single one of those questions is when we have enough men and resources to justify expanding into that area.
01:56:23.220So, you know, like I, you mentioned like doing something for the youth, like I would love to do that.
01:56:29.160I wish we had enough members that with enough children that we needed an entirely separate, um, you know, part of the organization that was dedicated to, you know, getting young men and, or just children in general into the career, the correct, um, you know, paths.
01:56:48.740Um, but we don't, so, you know, if we only have 10 members in an area and between them, they only have, you know, four or five kids, then it's very difficult to justify starting something for them.
01:57:00.900But if we have a hundred members in, you know, a city and between them, they have 30 some kids, well, then all of a sudden having a, a, a specific department within the organization that's dedicated towards youth development becomes not only feasible, but practical.
01:57:18.180Like, it just makes sense to then start doing that so that, you know, we're, um, giving our members another, uh, you know, benefit, uh, to being part of the organization, which is that they can find, uh, like-minded families that their kids can associate with other children.
01:57:34.840Yeah. And, um, you know, people will say that that's like crazy, but that's how we grew up. Like, uh, our parents, friends were friends with each other and their kids were, I was friends with them. We were all, everybody knew each other. It was just, you know, that's what a community is.
01:57:49.280And now that's a foreign concept and it's weird that, you know, people who, you know, uh, you know, like each other all hang out together and, you know, look out for each other. That's, that's just, that's normal. And they've now gaslit people into thinking that normal human collective behavior is something weird because it doesn't, you know, it doesn't benefit the, uh, the machine. It's not to their benefit because you're, you're not getting the maximum amount of juice for the squeeze here.
01:58:13.900It's better for them that everybody's a radical individual with no, no rights. And we'll just shut up and work the machines and pay the taxes.
01:58:21.800So this then also ties back to the previous question of like, you know, the big 10 thing. Well, don't you want more members? Well, yes, we, in order to make these things feasible, we need more membership, but more membership of guys who are just there to, uh, you know, hang out whenever it's convenient to them doesn't benefit us because
01:58:43.580that just requires more management from the guys that are already doing a lot. Um, so basically like every, if, if we want to be able to expand this to the point where we can do more and more, we need members, but we need members who are active and not only active as in willing to show up to events, but willing to step into leadership roles and basically allow the guy who was leading at that level to ascend to another level.
01:59:09.980So I'll give you an example right now. I'm managing two regional divisions within the country, as well as managing at the national level. Now I'm the vice president. My entire focus should be on the national level, right? That's what I should be doing. I should be talking with leaders at the regional and divisional and local levels, you know, helping them with whatever problems they encounter, but I shouldn't be managing at, at a regional level.
01:59:36.940In order to change that, I need more guys to step up into leadership roles that relieve me from that duty at the local and regional levels that I can focus on the next one. And then in order for them to ascend, you know, to a national level, they need somebody coming up behind them, uh, to do that.
01:59:54.000So this is all to say that if you want to see things like, you know, youth outreach, a women's league, um, you know, civil rights advocacy, a political wing, like whatever I get a hundred ideas a week from different people. And if I went to the comments right now, I guarantee you, I'd find 10 different people saying you should do this. You should do that. Well, you know what you should do? You should get involved with the club and help us build that because I can't do all of your ideas for you.
02:00:23.740Nor can Jeremy and nor, nor can the guys who are already committing sizable portions of their time, effort, and resources into building what we've already built. We need more guys who are committed.
02:00:35.620It's, uh, like I said before, the cart before the horse sort of, it's, there's so many things people want to do, um, and all the things they want to do, but they don't have the machine that can do anything.
02:00:45.840You know, you need that first that can do things and then choose what you want to try to, to deal with. But if you don't have that organization, that tool, that mechanism that doesn't, I guess is what, you know, what we criticize people about all the time, the ideas, man, especially here's all my big ideas. Great. How are you going to make that happen?
02:01:02.940How do you, how do you, how do you birth this into reality to where it's not just your imagination? How do you make that happen? You don't have an answer. You know, um, there has to be, you know, ways to, to do, uh, what it is you want to implement.
02:01:17.040And, and, uh, you know, this is working together is really the only way we can do that. So we have to at least establish, uh, that first. And, and once you're going to get solidified there, then you can start to focus your efforts collectively at whatever you want to, it could be anything. Um, but now you can, because you know, you exist and you have each other and you have these resources and you have all these guys and you have all of us.
02:01:38.580So, you know, I wish, uh, something like this had existed for five years before, uh, all the COVID stuff had happened. Cause it could you, how could that have played out differently then?
02:01:48.100You know, maybe these, uh, you know, these kinds of public, uh, displays might've been a little more organized and a little more focused and maybe things didn't get as crazy and out of hand as they did, but you know, live and learn, I guess.
02:02:07.900Okay. Thanks. Um, our hands have disappeared a few times. I'm going to go with Albert next and you guys, please don't send me your questions into my DMs. Just put your hand up and ask here. So like, it's not going to do any good for you to send me your questions to my DMs. Um, sorry, go ahead, Albert.
02:02:30.380Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I just, um, I don't want to take up too much of your guys' time. I'm just, I'm a really big fan.
02:02:37.860Of, you know, watching, uh, you know, Jeremy's show and supporting it and everything.
02:02:43.500Oh, great shirt guy. Hey, yeah. It's great shirt guy. I remember you. Yeah. How's it going?
02:02:46.320Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I saw you on, uh, you know, on with, uh, Henrik and Lana several times in that, and, um, uh, they're really good people and everything.
02:02:57.640And it seems like, you know, like all the people involved with that whole community there have all been really good.
02:03:03.960And I'm just, uh, uh, what you guys is doing is, is really inspirational and everything.
02:03:10.040And I always get a lot of inspiration from listening to, uh, your show every week and everything.
02:03:15.900And I just wish we had, you know, something more organized like this here in the States and everything.
02:03:21.300But I, I, I just kind of wanted to, you know, uh, say thanks and everything, um, uh, for, you know, uh, what you guys are doing and, you know, keep up the great work.
02:03:32.420And, uh, uh, that's, that's pretty much all I wanted to say.
02:03:36.840No, thank you, Albert. I appreciate that. It's nice of you. Um, yeah, Henrik and Lana are great people and, um, you know, despite what, you know, they say in, in what, uh, you know, is said, it's more important who's saying it.
02:03:48.620Um, but many of the people I've met, you know, over here in this, uh, you know, place have been, have been very excellent human beings and, um, glad I met them.
02:03:58.000I don't regret it. So I thank you. It was nice.
02:04:00.460Yeah. And you know, if I, I'm, I'm familiar with you, Albert, you're a, you're a legend on red ice.
02:04:11.520Yeah. Every, every week with your, every stream with you, uh, help and support them. And yeah, we love Henrik and Lana.
02:04:17.500Wait a minute. Now I, Oh, great. Right. Albert. Yes. Thank you. I just put that together. That's the same guy. Oh, wow. Great. Yeah. Thank you very much, man.
02:04:27.200Oh, no, no, no problem. No problem. Yeah. I've gotten to know Henrik and Lana pretty well and they're just wonderful people. And, um, they always speak really highly of you guys and everything.
02:04:38.160And, and you, um, they even told me that, uh, you, you, you were supposed to be at the party there last summer, this past summer, but, um, you, you, you couldn't get in.
02:04:49.220You, you had, you had that issue where they held you at the border and that, I know, I heard you talk about on the stream and everything.
02:04:55.160And, and, uh, yeah, I, I feel really bad about that. Cause I, I, I would, it'd have been nice to meet you there and everything.
02:05:02.680Maybe someday, you know, we'll see what happens. We'll see what Trump does in that white house.
02:05:07.660Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to tell, but, uh, yeah, like I can't imagine what it's like up there. Cause I'm 36.
02:05:14.160I haven't been to Canada since I was probably a teenager, but I, from what I remember it being, when I was a teenager, I was in like, uh, Ottawa and Toronto and Quebec city and Niagara falls, of course.
02:05:28.540And they were just all beautiful cities. And they'll be sad. If you come back, don't do it. It's like dating an ex-girlfriend that's gone on downhill.
02:05:35.660You know, don't just keep the memories alive. It'll, it's better for you. Trust me.
02:05:39.440Right. Right. No, no. Just one funny thing. My, you know, when my great grandparents came to this country from Eastern Europe in the early 1900s, on my grandma's side, her mother, the ship that she was on got rerouted across the ocean because of a storm.
02:05:55.960And she actually ended up in Halifax and somehow had to take a train from Halifax all the way down to PA here to like meet up with her family and everything.
02:06:06.980So, you know, I, I, I guess I do have some connection that, you know, like my family has been to Halifax before, but you know.
02:06:15.340This place punches above its weight. There's quite a lot of history from this place of people that have gone on to affect the world and been involved in all kinds of crazy stuff.
02:06:24.240But hey, yeah, yeah. I just want to, but, uh, thank you guys so much for letting me talk and for, um, all of you guys doing everything.
02:06:31.820And, and, and I'm happy to help, help you guys out, like supporting your show, Jeremy and everything.
02:06:36.840And I'll, uh, continue to, uh, you know, uh, spread, you know, like repost the links and everything here on X to, you know, try to get the word out.
02:07:11.680Um, I will say though, that, uh, you know, when I was just doing some research on the organization, uh, I find news articles and I guess I'll direct this question to Mr. McKenzie.
02:07:24.140So sometimes you, you have these moments where you say things that I guess I would say don't come across as very tactful.
02:07:38.580Like, uh, I don't necessarily want to repeat it here, but, uh, you know, there was something that maybe you said about Pierre Polyev's wife and there was another time you were talking about, you know, Rachel Gilmore, that character.
02:07:55.300And you said something along the lines of like, oh, like, I wouldn't care if, you know, something, I'm not going to say like something really bad happened to you.
02:08:05.740And, and I think that, that just, yeah, it's to a lot of people that's really irksome.
02:08:15.180And I think it makes more sense for a leader to try to follow the example of someone like Thomas Rousseau, who's a class act.
02:08:25.020So, yeah, I'm wondering how you would respond to, to that.
02:09:30.480It's a, uh, infotainment product and it's how I, you know, uh, pass the time and pay my bills and so on.
02:09:37.740And part of that is, um, I am probably the most, you know, ruthlessly critical person of the state in this country.
02:09:43.860Maybe ever I have been attacked by them mercilessly.
02:09:47.440And there's a lot more to these stories than, uh, maybe you're aware of, but this is very much a me versus them period of time.
02:09:53.720And they personally went out of their way to try to hurt me and hurt people I cared about.
02:09:58.160So I don't, I don't believe in, in that particular, uh, instance, uh, of, of showing respect to, uh, people like that who have treated you, uh, so poorly as though you're not even a human being, uh, nevermind what they've done to other people.
02:10:11.780So I don't really, I'm not sorry about it.
02:10:14.560Um, I was, you know, uh, upset for a reason and, uh, you know, so what, you know, they don't like mean words.
02:10:23.520Like they're killing people, you know, if they want to have that conversation, we can do that.
02:10:27.720But if they want to make this about someone who got their feelings hurt, um, I don't think they are prepared to be in any kind of leadership position.
02:10:35.300If some sort of phrasing, um, or, you know, verbal confrontation is just simply too much for someone to handle.
02:10:43.380So you're not prepared to lead anything.
02:10:46.080Um, nevermind, you know, anything bigger than a small organization, because there's going to be, uh, there's going to be difficult, uh, periods.
02:10:53.180There will be hard days and tough things that you have to do.
02:10:56.660Um, and it may not go well if you're thrown off that easily, but, you know, I wasn't trying to represent, uh, any other, you know, people or so.
02:11:04.740I mean, you do by default your own family and friends and so on, but I've got good ones and, um, you know, I'm very thankful for all the people have stuck by me all this time.
02:11:14.080And this was before, you know, I, you know, went to jail and everything else.
02:11:16.560So, I mean, there's a lot of things they can say about me, but this is frequently the kinds of things they come back to because that's, there's little else.
02:11:23.280Um, I should not have been able to defeat 23 different charges.
02:11:34.000Um, it, all that remains is I heard that you said these nasty things one time and, and I will say, well, I'm sure you've said some nasty things at some point in your life.
02:11:45.660But the difference between you and I is that half of yours isn't on the internet.
02:11:49.900So, you know, I'm a human man and I'm not going to apologize for that, but, um, it does not in any way reflect the organization.
02:11:58.660And that was years later, which, um, you know, after discussing with some of these guys, we decided to do, and we're trying to do, um, do it in a way that, um, uh, reflects that.
02:12:08.640So could have a convoluted answer, I know, but, uh, you know, it's a convoluted life and story.
02:12:17.440Could jump in here too, just to add perspective on this.
02:12:21.020The reason Thomas Russo works well, the way he does is because Thomas Russo is being genuinely who he is.
02:12:27.860Uh, maybe there's a little bit of tempering going on in the way he delivers his message, but I've spoken to Thomas, uh, privately and he's no different really, uh, from how he is on a podcast to how he is when he's talking privately with someone.
02:12:44.280Um, Thomas Sewell likewise is the very genuine person, um, you know, pick any leader of a nationalist organization.
02:12:51.780That's having a lot of success and you'll find that, you know, whatever scruples they might have, they're very genuine people.
02:12:58.280The reason Jeremy has been so successful in gaining a following and bringing people to this cause is because he's being genuinely who he is.
02:13:08.180And anybody who's met Jeremy in person and listened to him online will tell you that he's essentially the same person in real life that he is online.
02:13:18.080Now he might be a little bit more of a hammed up version of, of himself or whenever he's doing his podcast or whatever, it might be a little bit more, um, you know, uh, what's the right word?
02:13:30.560Like a, uh, more of a caricature of who he is, but it's genuine and that's why it works.
02:13:36.860So if he wasn't being himself, then it wouldn't work.
02:13:40.400And so when you get people who are acting genuinely the way that they, they are, they're going to make mistakes because people, uh, he's not, uh, uh, a mask of a person.
02:13:55.240And like, you know, the last thing I'll say on this too, is that frankly, I kind of like that, um, you know, the more prudish more, um, you know, I can't believe he said such a thing.
02:14:07.420Aren't interested in joining us because they're, if they're turned off by some colorful language, you know, they're going to have a hard time fitting in with our organization and the, you know, the, the, the way that we behave as men around other men.
02:14:21.280Um, and frankly, I, like, I kind of, I almost find it kind of shocking that, you know, people have this reaction to you're, you're telling me the 15 year veteran, uh, a master corporal of the Canadian armed forces has a colorful language side to him.
02:14:36.600And a little bit of, you know, um, that kind of rough attitude.
02:14:53.780And I also will remind her, you know, I've, I've since, uh, you know, very rarely I'll have a cocktail here and there, but, uh, I was very drunk at the time.
02:15:00.820Also, uh, in my defense, after the government stole my girlfriend and put her in jail for four days for something that didn't happen.
02:15:09.940It was, it was meant to be, you know, I thought it was funny at the time.
02:15:14.060Um, part of me still does think it's funny in retrospect, because the whole situation is crazy where he sent the police after me while I was already in jail for other things that were also made up.
02:15:24.360So, I mean, you know, the guys, it's crazy, you know, I want to be in, I want to lead the whole country, but don't, don't make fun of me on the internet or I'll call the cops.
02:15:32.880That's, uh, you know, that's pretty ridiculous, but I hear what you're saying.
02:15:36.620And I, I know people would, uh, people appreciate a more serious approach and, um, you know, there, there is no need to get, uh, to, to, to speak like that.
02:15:45.660It just kind of makes it, um, you know, crude, but again, it wasn't my intention.
02:15:49.780I'm perfectly capable of, of doing the other thing as well.
02:15:52.160And I've, when I try to, when I do communicate on behalf of, uh, you know, as representing the club or, or sometimes myself, it depends on the issue.
02:15:59.460I do take, uh, I do take a, uh, conscious, you know, effort to make it, um, you know, serious and, and not, you know, flipping, you know, off the cup, you know, 16 beers deep two o'clock in the morning, you know, kind of stuff.
02:16:12.120Cause it's, you know, uh, was also taken out of context and just meant to make me look insane.
02:16:17.560And that's how, that's how they do it.
02:16:19.640That's how, and I've been on the internet like this for, I don't know how many hours, thousands, thousands, it's seven years of this.
02:16:26.240And there's a couple of clips here and there, you know, I think I'm doing okay.
02:16:29.820Uh, and again, let's see, um, um, let's see yours.
02:16:32.700Let's see your whole life for the last seven years, 50% of it on camera.
02:16:35.440And we'll see if you didn't say anything, anybody's going to be upset about.
02:16:39.240I think it's just a silly thing to do.
02:16:41.420It's funny that I knew that story was going immediately.
02:16:45.280So it's like, there's only two things, right?
02:16:54.800Um, first of all, I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to come on here and ask these questions.
02:17:00.280I'd like to commend Jeremy for making the second son's group and also to thank him for his courage to serve Canada on the battlefield and off.
02:17:11.700So someone touched on this subject earlier, but I just wanted to do kind of a follow-up.
02:17:17.660Um, there is no groups that I'm aware of in BC or around the Vancouver area.
02:17:23.380And I was wondering, will there be soon?
02:17:25.660And I know everything is with progress, but, uh, yeah, it's just something I'm, I'm interested in.
02:17:31.840And I live quite a bit of ways from your central area and group.
02:17:36.420So, sorry, Steven, not to cut you off, but asking this with your real name and your face is a terrible idea.
02:18:06.680We have, yeah, we have several social, wrong fucking house.
02:18:10.800So just to let you know, any psychos that are listening, wrong fucking house.
02:18:16.720Well, there's, um, there are, there's guys in BC.
02:18:19.100There's guys, we have every, every province actually.
02:18:21.140Um, there's, uh, you know, we post stuff, uh, here and there from all over the place on our social media pages, but, um, it's, you know, it's hard to, hard to communicate.
02:18:28.840So there's a couple of images around, but yeah, we have, uh, there's, there's guys everywhere.
02:18:32.400So, uh, we just tell people to just apply and, um, we'll, uh, we'll sort it out and get, you know, placed up with, there's probably somebody, um,
02:18:40.800closer than you might think maybe an hour or two away, uh, or maybe two minutes away, you know?
02:20:17.620Um, just wondering with the, uh, upcoming censorship, uh, laws that they're trying to pass.
02:20:24.380I know, Jeremy, you've spoken about this a lot lately, um, and your concerns about that and consider, you know, continuing your, um, the way you've been doing.
02:20:33.160And influencing through the podcasting and whatnot.
02:20:46.420So, um, you know, it's just, I've always, you know, learned to think this way and, uh, you know, free advice.
02:20:53.720Uh, my, uh, my dad taught me how to play chess when I was real young and I just liked it.
02:20:59.240And a part of the game is to, you know, anticipate if X, then, you know, potentially Y and so on.
02:21:05.420So thinking ahead is always just something you should do anyway.
02:21:07.820But, um, I just try to be prepared for, you know, whatever I think is likely and, and then second most likely and so on to prepare for worst case scenario.
02:21:18.560And, uh, you know, second worst case scenario, you don't need to prepare for best case scenario.
02:21:22.560So, um, I have a, uh, a contingency plan, let's say, um, that, uh, would, would, would be a disruption.
02:21:31.420Uh, but I think I could continue, um, some version or, or pretty close to the same thing of what I'm doing, but, uh, uh, I'll, that's just something we'll have to see, uh, what happens.
02:22:06.040We'll see what happens, but, um, it's unfortunate that that's the, that's where it's going in this country.
02:22:10.960And, uh, people still haven't learned and, or they're still not uncomfortable enough that they don't mind that the state is playing with the idea of putting people in jail because they don't literally don't like what they're saying.
02:22:20.640Now, and that includes, uh, Bible quotes and all sorts of things.
02:22:24.100Like they're just getting really irrationally, uh, uh, impossible about things.
02:22:30.260And, you know, in the longterm, it's not going to help them most, you know, every time something like this develops, more people disagree with them than do agree with them.
02:22:37.560So every time they do this kind of, this kind of thing, they just wedge, you know, uh, accelerate things.
02:22:43.400So, you know, hopefully it doesn't come to that, but if it does, there's, um, there's some things we could do, but it would be annoying and expensive.
02:23:32.300Um, just wanted to say thank you for your service, Jeremy, and, uh, thanks for having me on here, Blumbigot.
02:23:37.940Um, I just wanted to ask, um, is it, is it a good idea?
02:23:43.280Is it, or is it a waste of time for, um, people to try to run for office, like, say, in your municipalities, um, to try and make, drain the swamp, so to speak, in this broken system?
02:23:59.100I wanted to know your perspective on that.
02:24:01.000Um, I have a quick answer, and Alex may have a more detailed one, but I think, um, again, I'm, I'm conscious and, and, uh, you know, try to be cognitive of everybody's, you know, individual situations.
02:24:13.180You know, what makes sense to me might make sense to me because of who I am and my life and advice and so on.
02:24:18.360So, um, personally, I would never do that.
02:24:20.960Um, however, um, depends on the person.
02:24:24.080If that's something that you could do and could conceivably win and ergo could, um, you have a specific idea in mind that may now be possible because you did this and overall this is, you know, good for, you know, not only, you know, yourself, your community and everyone else, then, yeah, do that.
02:24:40.300You know, basically, if it's good for us, do it.
02:24:42.980Um, and just, uh, whatever, you know, the best version of that is, if that's what you can contribute and that's what you think you can do to even just, you know, throw something.
02:24:50.960Sand and rocks in the gears of something, uh, then do that.
02:24:54.260Um, and you never know where that could lead you, who you could meet, where, you know, um, I have a specific skillset and life experience that led me to where I am and maybe yours or someone else's, uh, goes there.
02:25:06.100Um, but if that's where you, you know, that's where your internal, you know, system says that you need to go, then that's where you need to go.
02:25:17.540Yeah, no, I just, uh, it was just something that I, um,
02:25:21.300was thinking about and, uh, you know, um, obviously there's a lot of different other avenues that I, you know, think are way more useful that we, uh, share, but, uh, um, yeah, no, I just figured I'd ask that question.
02:25:33.780I appreciate your perspective on that.
02:25:35.620If it's something that they could do, like not some guy who's going to run for mayor of Toronto, like, you know, you don't have a chance, but if it's something for whatever reason, like actually he, you know, you could reach that.
02:25:45.420Um, you know, I, I believe in if it's, if you can win it, if it's not a, just a waste of time, then you should fight.
02:25:51.900You should fight for every inch that's available because it's just another thing they have to fight over.
02:26:00.080I, I agree with Jeremy's take on that.
02:26:03.040Um, I would just add that if you are going to run for politics or, you know, office at any level, whether it's municipal, provincial, federal, it doesn't really matter.
02:26:14.120Um, if you are of a similar persuasion politically to people like us, it's essential that you understand what your role is in, in running, uh, for that office.
02:26:27.420It is not to actually win because the odds of you winning, regardless of whether it's municipal, provincial.
02:26:34.960I mean, if you can, that's great, but the chances of it are minimal your, your role, if you share a similar, you know, ideology and political worldview that we do is to create as much of a stink around yourself as possible.
02:26:50.440And that requires a type of individual that has to have a level of, I don't give a fuck that most people are not comfortable with.
02:26:59.120And this is why, um, you know, I'll use the example of the PPC here because, um, it's just such a good example.
02:27:06.620The, the main failure of the PPC is not in their platform.