postyX - June 06, 2025


Tales from South Africa-with Johannes Agenbach and Dr Mike DuToit

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On this episode of the book club, we talk about the upcoming white power weekend, the power outage in Toronto, and a story about a guy who was living on the run from the law and trying to build a house on empty land.

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00:00:00.000 let's come out of it so white power everybody unite the clans and we'll see you monday 0.81
00:00:04.560 have a great weekend
00:00:05.660 thank you thanks thanks guys we're just all right well i guess i gotta go too yeah do your sign off
00:00:14.660 it's good seeing you guys sorry i was uh super freaking late dealing with life stuff and phone
00:00:19.920 calls back after back after back but uh you guys have a good safe white power weekend have fun with 0.98
00:00:25.920 the family have fun with yourself whatever the fuck you guys got going on white power guys have 0.99
00:00:31.260 fun be safe and i love you guys all homo it's june i'm gonna hop down as well give them a clean panel 0.99
00:00:41.880 here but hope to see you guys in the book club tomorrow i'm excited to listen in to this space
00:00:47.840 now thank you guys can you good to see you mostly oh it's not working good to see you guys too 0.98
00:00:55.620 oh mike's not working oh jesus fuck 0.94
00:01:00.480 can you guys hear me now 0.99
00:01:20.000 yeah okay it looks like i'm up we're just waiting for based and i think we're waiting
00:01:25.380 for our guest she's just running a little bit behind but thank you guys for coming
00:01:28.540 open votes can you hear me can you just say yes or no
00:01:31.380 anybody yeah yeah okay perfect perfect thanks guys yeah i can hear you yes we're rocking along
00:01:41.200 all right i'm having mic issues that's why so thank you
00:01:44.140 just chopping up some firewood right now i'm uh got my heritage canadian flag the red ensign
00:01:59.580 flying proudly over my little spot here and uh it's great to listen to all you guys uh good to hear
00:02:05.980 patriots fellow white people uh sounds like you're having a party over there right
00:02:10.640 well i had to get a second phone because you can't have a music playing and a space going unless you do 0.98
00:02:17.360 some kind of hack thing with your phone i'm like i'm not that smart i'm just gonna buy another phone
00:02:21.280 on amazon and then it'll play uh where we got uh above and beyond group radio there's 628 two-hour
00:02:29.980 dance sessions that are like all right i got firewood to split i'll listen to you guys and rock on
00:02:34.700 nice nice sounds good i think it's going to be pretty decent here and uh on terrible this weekend i
00:02:43.520 don't know though for sure
00:02:44.980 you guys can listen to my awesome music about that
00:02:53.960 it's so it's so weird posting uh post because uh this it was supposed to be like 70 here all week
00:03:03.700 and the past two days it's been it was like a fucking hundred out of nowhere where are you in 0.97
00:03:09.560 canada too no but northern northern u.s or yeah i'm in northern ontario you're in northern yeah i'm in 0.98
00:03:18.360 southern ontario and it's been up until like june the 1st it's been cold as fuck 0.77
00:03:21.900 sorry guys i'm muted by accident trying to bring somebody up i apologize uh hold on
00:03:31.160 i know a lot of people that are evacuating out of toronto southern ontario and coming north and some
00:03:39.880 say white flight but you know you could say regrouping who wants their kids to be attacked
00:03:44.360 by nons and be minorities in their own schools you know uh people got to look at these things
00:03:48.980 so uh anyway the the guy moved on to empty land he's trying to build a house and i'm like hey i used to
00:03:55.260 do i used to do some work i'll i uh came in and was helping him with the uh backfilling as well
00:04:02.500 and his hydro line and gas line just to get him started you know nice nice okay open votes can you
00:04:07.820 yeah mute for a second because i think we have dr mike to to it and i hope i pronounced that right
00:04:12.300 i can you test your speaker or your mic yes uh i'm on yep you're on i can hear you yeah
00:04:20.640 you both sound good same volume and all so thank you my surname is the two a
00:04:28.200 the two a okay yes i'm a canadian so my accent's already bad so you have to forgive me
00:04:35.140 okay um i see johannes is up already i'm not sure who jay is but uh hold on what are we expecting
00:04:44.100 somebody hello jay looks to be a a new account okay so then they're not coming yeah hey johannes
00:04:50.880 hello posty and panel um welcome dr mike detui
00:04:56.960 thank you
00:05:01.040 based will be here shortly she's just uh running a little bit behind but feel free to
00:05:07.440 you know start talking about yourself a little bit if you want
00:05:10.380 um are there any is this the panel so far if we can then maybe we can bring up another one of
00:05:18.980 our guys um from south africa you know sure um daniel's down there i don't know if he wants
00:05:24.700 to come up daniel if you want to come up then you can just request
00:05:29.280 hello extra good evening joining us as well to give us i guess are you going to give us the irish
00:05:40.240 perspective extra or just the overall world perspective because i know you have knowledge in both
00:05:44.200 uh no there's no real irish perspective here but i'm familiar with south africa
00:05:51.040 and um yeah i mean look i'm just going to listen for a bit first i think that i know something of the
00:05:56.980 history um that's relevant but uh i'm going to wait to hear from dr detui first
00:06:01.780 i did um invite justin barrett unfortunately i don't know you guys probably know he's recovering
00:06:10.540 from um a health issue so he wanted to come but then he unfortunately had to decline at the last
00:06:17.640 minute uh so but he's going to try to do it with us again so we'll have to give him a little bit of
00:06:22.440 grace he's trying to recover i just brought up based there we go i'm not sure is there anybody else
00:06:28.580 we're expecting based um that we need to wait for
00:06:31.920 hi um can you hear me yep we can hear you i'm just trying to accept co-host as well okay great
00:06:46.580 yeah you're up there no uh so i think i think who we've got is who we've got and let's just be
00:06:52.980 uh this is johannes and mike are going to be leading the charge and posty we'll come up with
00:06:59.400 clever questions as uh as time goes on um welcome welcome mike welcome dr detui thank you for coming
00:07:08.500 extra this is great thank you and i think what we'll do is we'll let johannes and and dr detui um
00:07:18.080 kind of go and we can just kind of um rip off of that i guess based and if people want to ask
00:07:22.960 questions put their hand up obviously but i'd like to get them in a conversation yeah yeah let's let
00:07:28.920 them cook for a little bit guys in the audience um i know that white excellence radio is often a free
00:07:35.240 for all but let's just let the the gents get warmed up and cooking and then um you know if we can do 0.99
00:07:41.960 question and answers a little bit later um we'll do that again if your account is locked we're not
00:07:48.340 bringing you up if we don't know who you are we're not bringing you up if you have three followers we're
00:07:54.260 not bringing you up it's not personal we've just done this a lot so uh with that johannes you've got
00:08:01.420 the floor buddy oh and he's gone and johannes and he's vanished he's coming back yeah yeah no um
00:08:13.700 well uh dr mike detui let me let me um i want to thank you for being here uh dr mike is uh he's got
00:08:23.680 his phd in philosophy he was a university professor hello guys can you hear me you're back yeah i was
00:08:31.640 just giving a little bit of a bio of uh dr mike detui but perhaps you would do a better job um
00:08:38.000 at uh explaining to the audience who this very special guest is thank you very much uh based i'm
00:08:46.140 gonna let dr mike detui um thank you
00:08:48.780 uh
00:08:53.680 okay sorry and then i was a lecturer in history at vista university and at the same time a lecturer
00:09:03.560 in archaeology at the university
00:09:06.320 and
00:09:09.260 in 1982
00:09:14.080 no i'm sorry in 2002 i was arrested
00:09:20.940 under the charges of terrorism which were later changed to high treason
00:09:29.620 and
00:09:31.480 then the government arrested a lot of other people
00:09:36.660 for us all together and they said we are the boeremach
00:09:41.160 they uh held uh there was a court case lasting 11 years
00:09:47.960 by the way the longest court case in the history of the world and eventually we were all found
00:09:56.500 guilty of high treason and i had to uh all in all i was 18 years three months in prison
00:10:05.200 and i was released about three or four years ago and uh
00:10:11.880 uh
00:10:12.740 uh that's in short my story perhaps i should point out that i have five academic
00:10:18.940 uh qualifications
00:10:21.680 uh
00:10:22.360 b.i. ed
00:10:23.280 and then honors in history
00:10:26.160 honors
00:10:27.400 masters
00:10:29.080 and doctorate in philosophy
00:10:31.620 so i'm quite uh
00:10:33.620 uh
00:10:34.620 uh
00:10:35.620 knowledgeable about
00:10:36.960 history
00:10:37.920 and philosophy
00:10:39.380 thank you very much dr detui that is uh that is some credentials um
00:10:47.920 it's an honor obviously being joined
00:10:49.860 uh
00:10:51.060 with yourself and uh
00:10:52.920 these fine um white people tonight
00:10:55.760 um the main talking points that we're going to go over tonight is
00:10:59.840 we're going to focus on south africa
00:11:01.980 and the history of south africa
00:11:04.380 and the main thing that i want to hit home on is
00:11:08.620 there is
00:11:09.860 currently in the world a dispute as to
00:11:12.900 whether there is a genocide in south africa or not
00:11:16.500 and
00:11:17.440 obviously
00:11:19.120 for obvious reasons
00:11:20.960 when there is land in dispute
00:11:22.560 and a narrative war being waged
00:11:25.040 they are going to try
00:11:26.800 and
00:11:27.480 obfuscate the facts
00:11:29.180 as far as they can
00:11:30.700 and divert attention
00:11:32.220 to to nonsensical arguments
00:11:35.000 what i want to speak about tonight is
00:11:37.640 the land ownership question in south africa
00:11:40.000 because it's the one thing
00:11:41.680 that our black counterparts
00:11:43.160 always focus on
00:11:45.080 but whenever we get
00:11:46.460 can you hear me
00:11:47.020 yes
00:11:49.700 i can hear you fine
00:11:50.780 do you hear me
00:11:51.760 dr mike
00:11:52.480 can you hear us dr mike
00:11:57.940 i think your mike is
00:11:59.080 because you're not muting it
00:12:00.380 so maybe it's
00:12:01.180 i'm not sure if it's acting a little bit
00:12:02.800 buggy
00:12:04.600 i can
00:12:05.440 you can hear
00:12:06.720 can you hear johannes
00:12:07.600 no i cannot hear johannes
00:12:13.060 okay hold on one sec
00:12:14.160 johannes say something
00:12:15.180 dr mike
00:12:18.160 could you
00:12:19.060 mute your mike
00:12:20.500 when you're not speaking
00:12:22.020 so
00:12:22.500 will jy net
00:12:23.240 jy net jou microphone
00:12:23.960 verstom
00:12:24.320 daar sy
00:12:24.860 as jy nie praat nie
00:12:25.940 verstom om net
00:12:26.740 miskien
00:12:27.220 jy weet
00:12:28.240 maak het 0.67
00:12:28.700 enig van
00:12:29.040 nonsens
00:12:29.620 can you hear me
00:12:31.000 i'm assuming
00:12:31.740 you can hear me
00:12:32.460 because you muted
00:12:33.300 your mic
00:12:33.780 i don't think
00:12:37.340 he can hear you
00:12:38.120 i can
00:12:38.600 i can mute him
00:12:39.800 from my co-host
00:12:41.920 position
00:12:42.500 but
00:12:43.480 dr mike
00:12:44.500 we might need to
00:12:46.320 get you to drop down
00:12:48.560 as a listener
00:12:49.400 and bring you back up
00:12:50.820 as a speaker
00:12:51.580 this happens
00:12:52.900 often
00:12:53.640 in these spaces
00:12:54.840 this is not unusual
00:12:56.360 and if you want to say that
00:12:58.220 in africans
00:12:59.360 you can johannes
00:13:00.460 why does it seem like
00:13:02.540 it's playing a recording
00:13:03.760 what do you mean
00:13:11.860 oh yeah
00:13:12.720 what are you talking about
00:13:13.620 maybe it's just glitchy
00:13:21.660 for wtf
00:13:22.540 we'll try to sort it out
00:13:23.400 so everybody just
00:13:24.160 be patient
00:13:24.860 and we'll get there
00:13:25.620 yeah we'll get there
00:13:27.560 bottom takes
00:13:29.780 yeah
00:13:31.060 it's sometimes
00:13:31.820 it's just glitchy
00:13:33.300 and we're trying to do it
00:13:34.520 with multiple continents
00:13:35.900 you know
00:13:37.480 australia is listening
00:13:39.060 america
00:13:40.140 south africa
00:13:41.320 ireland's in here
00:13:42.960 so
00:13:43.580 we've just got
00:13:45.300 pretty much
00:13:45.940 every white 0.53
00:13:46.720 continent
00:13:47.660 tuning in right now
00:13:49.280 so
00:13:49.660 it's glitchy af
00:13:51.000 dr mike
00:13:53.540 can you hear me
00:13:59.780 i think he's gone
00:14:01.380 down to listener
00:14:02.180 but we'll try
00:14:04.140 and send him
00:14:05.100 a mic
00:14:05.520 okay
00:14:06.000 stand by
00:14:07.620 maybe it's mine
00:14:10.160 that's also glitchy
00:14:11.020 i don't know
00:14:11.460 because it showed
00:14:12.220 there for a brief
00:14:12.940 minute that it was
00:14:13.500 still a speaker
00:14:14.220 it did
00:14:14.940 no same for me
00:14:15.600 johannes
00:14:16.060 i i
00:14:16.580 because i can hear
00:14:17.280 you perfectly fine
00:14:18.040 you can hear me
00:14:18.760 and i
00:14:19.260 so i have a feeling
00:14:20.100 it is on his end
00:14:21.000 and it could just be
00:14:21.800 a not like a bad
00:14:22.660 connection or something
00:14:23.700 okay i'm bringing
00:14:27.700 him back up
00:14:28.480 hold on one sec
00:14:30.580 johannes i can hear
00:14:37.420 you quite clearly
00:14:38.460 okay there we go
00:14:40.860 you can hear johannes
00:14:41.860 now so let's go
00:14:42.740 okay
00:14:43.140 yes
00:14:44.940 okay so i just want
00:14:48.080 to introduce us
00:14:48.900 into this conversation
00:14:49.840 again
00:14:50.240 if you don't mind
00:14:51.540 mike
00:14:51.900 i want us to
00:14:54.640 focus on the
00:14:55.380 history of south
00:14:56.120 africa
00:14:56.520 but specifically
00:14:57.740 focus on land
00:14:59.160 ownership
00:14:59.780 whenever we hear
00:15:01.420 our counterparts
00:15:02.320 in south africa
00:15:03.420 get any form
00:15:04.780 of political
00:15:05.560 stage whether it
00:15:06.460 be nationally
00:15:07.160 or internationally
00:15:08.040 they always focus
00:15:09.940 on the land
00:15:10.740 issue
00:15:11.380 now right now
00:15:13.640 white genocide
00:15:14.460 is disputed
00:15:15.660 in south africa
00:15:16.500 and it is
00:15:17.180 outright denied
00:15:19.340 and i think
00:15:20.740 that we need to
00:15:21.440 speak about
00:15:22.140 land ownership
00:15:23.020 because if we
00:15:23.980 do and we
00:15:25.200 can firmly
00:15:26.700 cement the
00:15:27.700 fact that this
00:15:28.700 is a white
00:15:29.180 country then
00:15:30.240 all of a sudden
00:15:31.120 the white 0.64
00:15:31.900 genocide
00:15:32.340 claim makes
00:15:34.300 a lot more
00:15:34.900 sense and i
00:15:36.020 believe that
00:15:36.860 our enemies
00:15:37.580 being as
00:15:39.180 crafty as
00:15:41.720 they are with
00:15:42.400 narratives
00:15:43.040 willfully steer
00:15:44.880 the discussion
00:15:46.620 away from
00:15:48.280 land ownership
00:15:49.940 when it comes
00:15:50.460 to white
00:15:50.860 people and 0.98
00:15:51.360 white genocide
00:15:52.000 because then 0.91
00:15:53.300 it gives us
00:15:54.220 a rightful
00:15:56.100 claim to
00:15:56.560 this country
00:15:57.140 and they
00:15:57.560 obviously want
00:15:58.880 the country
00:15:59.280 for themselves
00:15:59.900 and it's
00:16:00.180 actually got
00:16:00.700 very little
00:16:01.300 to do with
00:16:02.160 black land
00:16:02.880 ownership 0.78
00:16:03.300 so with that
00:16:05.960 in mind
00:16:06.560 i'm gonna ask
00:16:08.340 you for the
00:16:09.140 audience just
00:16:10.000 to list the
00:16:11.400 the books that
00:16:12.260 you have written
00:16:13.000 give a brief
00:16:15.020 summary about
00:16:15.960 what they are
00:16:16.540 and then we're
00:16:17.060 gonna focus on
00:16:18.280 die strewe
00:16:19.180 and strijd
00:16:19.740 van ons
00:16:20.100 volk
00:16:20.520 1902
00:16:21.360 tot
00:16:22.180 1994
00:16:22.900 which in
00:16:23.800 english translates
00:16:24.780 to
00:16:25.100 the pursuit
00:16:27.160 and struggle
00:16:28.360 of our
00:16:28.760 people
00:16:29.220 1902
00:16:30.600 to 1994
00:16:31.700 so with that
00:16:33.280 dr mike
00:16:33.700 to do
00:16:33.980 please give
00:16:35.420 us a brief
00:16:35.820 overview of
00:16:36.340 five books
00:16:36.920 that you've
00:16:37.260 written
00:16:37.500 and then we can
00:16:38.400 delve into the
00:16:38.960 history of
00:16:39.360 South Africa
00:16:39.680 thank you
00:16:42.180 johannes
00:16:42.860 i've written
00:16:43.640 five books
00:16:44.540 the first
00:16:46.260 one is
00:16:47.240 the strewe
00:16:48.240 and strijd
00:16:48.840 van ons
00:16:49.280 volk
00:16:49.860 that's a
00:16:50.960 book on
00:16:51.360 South African
00:16:52.140 history
00:16:52.680 of the
00:16:53.360 20th
00:16:54.040 century
00:16:54.620 it
00:16:57.500 focus on
00:16:58.820 three main
00:16:59.660 periods
00:17:01.200 the first
00:17:02.560 being the
00:17:03.240 period after
00:17:04.200 the second
00:17:05.540 angloboer war 0.99
00:17:06.700 which was
00:17:08.940 basically
00:17:09.480 the age
00:17:11.320 of the
00:17:11.760 generals
00:17:12.240 and the
00:17:13.640 main
00:17:14.000 topic of
00:17:14.980 discussion
00:17:15.600 and struggle
00:17:17.000 there was
00:17:17.680 South Africa's
00:17:18.780 relationship
00:17:20.760 with Britain
00:17:21.660 the second
00:17:23.140 period
00:17:24.180 which lasted
00:17:25.720 from 1948
00:17:26.980 to 1966
00:17:28.580 the focus
00:17:31.020 there is
00:17:31.680 on how
00:17:32.900 the Afrikaners 0.70
00:17:34.040 gained power
00:17:35.860 again
00:17:36.300 and how
00:17:37.480 they started
00:17:38.160 empowering
00:17:39.040 themselves
00:17:40.040 and then
00:17:41.500 the third
00:17:42.180 period
00:17:42.880 is from
00:17:44.280 1966
00:17:45.940 up till
00:17:46.720 1994
00:17:48.140 where
00:17:50.000 we started
00:17:52.880 handing over
00:17:53.660 power
00:17:54.140 to the 0.99
00:17:55.000 blacks 1.00
00:17:55.420 and eventually
00:17:57.220 the
00:17:58.100 handing over
00:17:59.640 of the
00:18:00.580 country
00:18:01.020 to the
00:18:01.560 black 0.86
00:18:02.000 communist 0.91
00:18:02.640 ANC
00:18:03.280 government
00:18:03.840 the second
00:18:05.660 book
00:18:06.160 is
00:18:07.820 a
00:18:08.520 history
00:18:09.220 of our
00:18:10.800 Indo-European
00:18:11.820 origins
00:18:12.600 now
00:18:14.960 the original
00:18:16.100 inhabitants
00:18:16.940 of Europe
00:18:17.840 were
00:18:18.280 short
00:18:19.080 darker
00:18:19.700 people
00:18:20.300 although
00:18:20.780 they were
00:18:21.340 Caucasians
00:18:22.780 and
00:18:24.260 then
00:18:25.060 out of
00:18:25.920 Russia
00:18:26.900 long
00:18:28.200 very
00:18:29.560 white
00:18:30.140 Indo-European
00:18:31.800 peoples
00:18:32.480 moved
00:18:33.120 over
00:18:33.480 Europe
00:18:34.040 and
00:18:35.560 in the
00:18:36.760 same
00:18:37.020 way
00:18:37.320 they
00:18:37.540 moved
00:18:37.900 over
00:18:38.320 Western
00:18:38.880 Asia
00:18:39.480 and
00:18:40.540 other
00:18:40.820 parts
00:18:41.260 of the
00:18:41.640 world
00:18:42.040 and
00:18:43.000 in the
00:18:43.480 process
00:18:44.080 they
00:18:44.320 carried
00:18:44.740 the
00:18:45.580 Indo-European
00:18:46.680 languages
00:18:47.600 and
00:18:49.140 religion
00:18:49.900 to
00:18:50.280 Europe
00:18:50.800 and
00:18:52.120 out of
00:18:52.620 that
00:18:52.900 in the
00:18:54.220 process
00:18:54.760 various
00:18:55.380 Indo-European
00:18:56.340 groups
00:18:56.820 came about
00:18:57.720 for instance
00:18:59.160 the Germanic
00:19:00.260 people
00:19:00.940 in the
00:19:01.380 north
00:19:01.660 of
00:19:01.880 Europe
00:19:02.220 the
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00:26:46.180 get
00:26:47.560 him
00:26:47.720 out
00:26:47.920 of
00:26:48.080 the
00:26:48.240 way
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00:26:49.740 let
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00:26:50.780 black 0.92
00:26:51.040 people 1.00
00:26:51.560 over
00:26:52.100 around
00:26:52.420 South
00:26:52.760 Africa
00:26:53.260 I
00:26:54.260 can
00:26:54.500 further
00:26:54.860 say
00:26:55.180 that
00:26:55.460 one
00:26:55.700 of
00:26:55.880 the
00:26:56.040 last
00:26:56.460 things
00:26:57.100 every
00:26:57.580 clerk
00:26:58.080 did
00:26:58.480 just
00:26:59.260 before
00:26:59.620 he
00:26:59.820 handed
00:27:00.080 over
00:27:00.480 power
00:27:00.940 in
00:27:01.180 1994
00:27:02.120 was
00:27:03.360 he
00:27:03.580 scrapped
00:27:04.040 the
00:27:04.320 group
00:27:04.660 areas
00:27:05.200 act
00:27:05.620 in
00:27:06.280 other
00:27:06.540 words
00:27:06.860 he
00:27:07.040 removed
00:27:07.600 the
00:27:07.940 law
00:27:08.280 that
00:27:09.420 placed
00:27:11.680 every
00:27:12.080 person
00:27:12.760 within
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00:27:14.300 certain
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00:27:15.820 in
00:27:16.740 his
00:27:16.960 own
00:27:17.380 area
00:27:20.260 okay
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00:27:24.020 practically
00:27:24.560 speaking
00:27:25.260 how does
00:27:25.880 that
00:27:26.220 how did
00:27:26.940 the
00:27:27.400 abolishment
00:27:28.480 of the
00:27:29.120 group
00:27:29.460 areas
00:27:29.960 act
00:27:30.460 how does
00:27:31.100 that
00:27:31.480 affect
00:27:32.060 the
00:27:32.600 Afrikaan
00:27:33.280 well
00:27:36.320 what
00:27:36.600 happened
00:27:37.080 is
00:27:37.600 the 0.58
00:27:38.140 blacks 1.00
00:27:38.560 started 0.99
00:27:40.640 moving
00:27:41.060 out
00:27:41.300 of
00:27:41.440 their
00:27:41.600 own
00:27:41.820 territories
00:27:42.500 into
00:27:43.440 white
00:27:43.840 South
00:27:44.140 Africa
00:27:44.580 and
00:27:44.840 actually
00:27:45.340 overrun
00:27:45.900 the
00:27:46.080 whole
00:27:46.280 of
00:27:46.480 white
00:27:47.080 South
00:27:47.380 Africa
00:27:47.920 to
00:27:48.780 the
00:27:48.980 extent
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00:27:50.080 no
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00:27:51.120 territories
00:27:52.500 within
00:27:52.940 white
00:27:53.380 South
00:27:53.720 Africa
00:27:54.200 that
00:27:54.580 is
00:27:54.800 white
00:27:55.240 where
00:27:56.520 whites
00:27:57.320 are 0.96
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00:27:57.840 dominant
00:27:58.220 factor
00:27:58.840 this
00:28:04.140 sounds
00:28:04.540 a lot
00:28:04.900 like
00:28:05.160 what
00:28:05.340 is
00:28:05.500 happening
00:28:05.820 in
00:28:06.380 other
00:28:06.680 countries
00:28:07.160 so
00:28:07.580 it
00:28:09.180 was
00:28:09.360 actually
00:28:09.780 you
00:28:10.080 that
00:28:10.240 told
00:28:10.540 me
00:28:10.740 this
00:28:10.980 you
00:28:11.160 said
00:28:11.500 that
00:28:11.900 Pia
00:28:12.760 Via
00:28:12.920 Boota
00:28:13.320 was
00:28:13.720 actually
00:28:14.160 the
00:28:14.380 president
00:28:14.740 that
00:28:15.340 did
00:28:16.380 the
00:28:16.620 most
00:28:16.920 devastating
00:28:17.720 work
00:28:18.880 in terms
00:28:19.740 of
00:28:20.160 abolishing
00:28:20.920 apartheid
00:28:21.620 and the
00:28:21.840 concept
00:28:22.200 of it
00:28:22.580 that's
00:28:24.080 quite
00:28:24.300 correct
00:28:24.780 you know
00:28:25.400 people are
00:28:26.220 very angry
00:28:26.900 with
00:28:27.220 Evie 0.87
00:28:27.580 de Klerk
00:28:28.180 which is
00:28:29.240 quite
00:28:29.540 justified
00:28:30.180 but
00:28:31.360 one must
00:28:31.880 understand
00:28:32.500 before
00:28:33.020 Evie 0.87
00:28:33.380 de Klerk
00:28:33.860 there were
00:28:34.240 two
00:28:34.480 other
00:28:34.880 persons
00:28:36.840 who
00:28:37.440 actually
00:28:38.040 started
00:28:38.920 this
00:28:39.280 process
00:28:39.760 and
00:28:40.360 helped
00:28:41.740 this
00:28:42.060 process
00:28:42.640 along
00:28:43.440 the
00:28:44.120 first
00:28:44.500 was
00:28:44.880 John
00:28:45.280 Foster
00:28:45.820 he
00:28:46.980 started
00:28:47.360 breaking
00:28:47.820 down
00:28:48.280 apartheid
00:28:49.180 with
00:28:50.060 his 0.87
00:28:50.460 killing
00:28:51.960 of 1.00
00:28:52.380 white
00:28:52.960 small
00:28:53.820 or
00:28:54.280 rather
00:28:54.620 small
00:28:55.180 apartheid
00:28:55.880 he
00:28:56.040 started
00:28:56.320 killing
00:28:56.660 small
00:28:57.080 apartheid
00:28:57.820 he
00:28:58.540 started
00:28:58.880 with
00:28:59.160 his
00:28:59.380 outward
00:29:00.000 policy
00:29:01.200 talking
00:29:02.120 to 0.99
00:29:02.400 black 0.93
00:29:02.720 people 0.99
00:29:03.220 he
00:29:04.160 himself
00:29:04.920 never
00:29:05.700 scrapped
00:29:06.360 any
00:29:06.760 laws
00:29:07.280 he
00:29:07.980 was
00:29:08.260 just
00:29:08.560 a
00:29:08.760 guy
00:29:08.980 who
00:29:09.160 started
00:29:09.540 this
00:29:09.880 process
00:29:10.480 he
00:29:11.280 started
00:29:11.680 promoting
00:29:12.300 non-racial
00:29:13.720 sport
00:29:14.240 and so
00:29:14.820 on
00:29:15.040 then
00:29:15.900 P.W.
00:29:16.500 Bota 0.76
00:29:16.820 became
00:29:18.100 prime minister
00:29:19.180 in
00:29:19.920 1978
00:29:21.020 and
00:29:22.700 he's
00:29:23.080 the
00:29:23.260 guy
00:29:23.680 that
00:29:24.760 scrapped
00:29:25.320 nearly
00:29:25.820 all
00:29:26.400 the
00:29:26.640 laws
00:29:27.140 that
00:29:28.220 governed
00:29:28.800 that
00:29:29.860 made
00:29:30.560 white
00:29:30.980 power
00:29:31.620 possible
00:29:32.160 in
00:29:32.440 South
00:29:32.740 Africa
00:29:33.300 Evie 0.87
00:29:35.120 the
00:29:35.300 clerk
00:29:35.600 when he
00:29:36.060 came
00:29:36.320 to
00:29:36.540 power
00:29:37.020 in
00:29:37.620 1989
00:29:39.020 just
00:29:39.900 had
00:29:40.180 to
00:29:40.360 scrap
00:29:40.740 two
00:29:41.120 laws
00:29:41.620 P.W.
00:29:43.120 Bota 0.76
00:29:43.440 was
00:29:43.820 the
00:29:44.020 guy
00:29:44.280 who
00:29:44.480 scrapped
00:29:44.900 nearly
00:29:45.420 all
00:29:45.900 the
00:29:46.060 laws
00:29:46.440 and
00:29:47.520 he
00:29:47.740 said
00:29:47.960 he's
00:29:48.220 going
00:29:48.480 to
00:29:49.420 improve
00:29:50.520 them
00:29:50.900 and
00:29:52.700 well
00:29:53.600 as you
00:29:54.000 know
00:29:54.180 nothing
00:29:54.480 improved
00:29:55.160 at
00:29:55.420 all
00:29:55.700 so
00:29:57.100 eventually
00:29:58.080 when
00:29:58.460 Evie 0.87
00:29:58.780 the
00:29:59.020 clerk
00:29:59.260 came
00:29:59.620 about
00:30:00.180 the
00:30:00.840 table
00:30:01.380 was
00:30:01.760 already
00:30:02.260 set
00:30:04.140 and
00:30:05.500 he
00:30:06.280 just
00:30:06.620 handed
00:30:06.940 over
00:30:07.340 power
00:30:07.900 so
00:30:11.020 it
00:30:11.500 just
00:30:12.620 showcases
00:30:13.560 the
00:30:14.080 real
00:30:15.060 implications
00:30:15.860 of
00:30:16.780 concessions
00:30:17.880 and why
00:30:18.580 concessions
00:30:19.820 is
00:30:20.300 such a
00:30:22.160 dangerous
00:30:22.520 thing
00:30:23.120 when it
00:30:23.540 comes to
00:30:23.960 politics
00:30:24.400 because
00:30:24.700 I remember
00:30:25.340 that
00:30:26.160 people
00:30:26.700 used to
00:30:27.340 mock
00:30:27.860 Jaap
00:30:28.340 Mare
00:30:28.600 the
00:30:28.900 late
00:30:29.180 and
00:30:30.640 great
00:30:31.020 Jaap
00:30:31.320 Mare
00:30:31.560 for
00:30:33.020 speaking
00:30:33.600 about
00:30:34.100 the
00:30:35.120 fact
00:30:35.560 that
00:30:36.000 it
00:30:36.360 was
00:30:36.660 absolutely
00:30:38.040 horrendous
00:30:39.340 that
00:30:39.580 we
00:30:39.740 would
00:30:39.920 allow
00:30:40.340 one
00:30:40.980 Maori
00:30:41.460 from
00:30:42.280 New
00:30:43.220 Zealand
00:30:43.700 to
00:30:44.220 play
00:30:44.600 in
00:30:45.360 the
00:30:46.780 rugby
00:30:47.300 in
00:30:47.680 South
00:30:47.900 Africa
00:30:48.420 Yes
00:30:51.040 Jaap
00:30:51.380 Mare
00:30:51.660 said
00:30:52.120 in
00:30:52.340 1966
00:30:53.580 if
00:30:54.820 you
00:30:55.020 allow
00:30:55.520 one
00:30:55.980 Maori
00:30:56.620 in
00:30:57.060 rugby
00:30:57.480 to
00:30:58.160 play
00:30:58.480 against
00:30:59.060 our
00:30:59.400 rugby
00:30:59.740 players
00:31:00.620 it
00:31:01.720 will
00:31:02.000 eventually
00:31:02.720 lead
00:31:03.340 to a 0.99
00:31:04.080 black 0.98
00:31:04.360 president 0.98
00:31:04.860 in
00:31:05.240 South
00:31:05.500 Africa
00:31:06.000 and
00:31:07.040 everybody
00:31:07.740 laughed
00:31:08.480 and laughed
00:31:09.280 and laughed
00:31:10.000 that was
00:31:10.540 so funny
00:31:11.220 and that
00:31:12.480 is exactly
00:31:13.200 where it
00:31:13.700 ended
00:31:14.040 so
00:31:15.320 you know
00:31:16.240 all these
00:31:17.140 laws
00:31:17.800 and
00:31:18.100 traditions
00:31:18.880 ways
00:31:19.620 of
00:31:19.880 life
00:31:20.380 they
00:31:21.480 are
00:31:21.660 all
00:31:21.900 very
00:31:22.160 closely
00:31:22.740 connected
00:31:23.400 if
00:31:24.440 you
00:31:24.580 start
00:31:24.960 taking
00:31:25.860 one
00:31:26.380 of
00:31:27.260 that
00:31:27.600 stones
00:31:29.660 away
00:31:30.160 if
00:31:30.400 you
00:31:30.520 start
00:31:30.800 taking
00:31:31.300 that
00:31:31.980 system
00:31:32.480 apart
00:31:33.040 it
00:31:33.360 will
00:31:33.720 eventually
00:31:34.400 lead
00:31:34.880 to
00:31:35.460 disintegration
00:31:36.580 and
00:31:37.300 that's
00:31:37.640 exactly
00:31:38.100 what
00:31:38.400 happened
00:31:38.740 in
00:31:39.000 South
00:31:39.220 Africa
00:31:39.700 and
00:31:40.980 today
00:31:41.520 it's
00:31:42.540 going
00:31:42.820 so
00:31:43.160 bad
00:31:43.740 I
00:31:44.620 mean
00:31:44.860 there's
00:31:45.260 not
00:31:45.520 a
00:31:45.780 single
00:31:46.240 school
00:31:47.300 or
00:31:47.620 hospital
00:31:48.160 or
00:31:48.980 government
00:31:49.560 institution
00:31:50.640 that is
00:31:51.140 still
00:31:51.380 functioning
00:31:51.980 properly 0.96
00:31:52.720 murder
00:31:54.220 rate
00:31:54.800 theft
00:31:56.360 rape 0.93
00:31:57.260 the 0.98
00:31:58.040 whole
00:31:58.300 South
00:31:58.640 African
00:31:59.060 system
00:31:59.560 is
00:31:59.820 busy
00:32:00.120 disintegrating
00:32:01.160 and
00:32:02.140 it
00:32:02.300 all
00:32:02.600 started
00:32:03.080 with
00:32:03.420 one
00:32:03.900 Maori
00:32:04.480 playing
00:32:05.520 against
00:32:06.160 our
00:32:06.460 rugby
00:32:06.760 players
00:32:07.380 that
00:32:12.520 is
00:32:12.720 very
00:32:13.020 insightful
00:32:13.600 I
00:32:13.880 see
00:32:14.040 we've
00:32:14.280 got
00:32:14.420 a
00:32:14.540 question
00:32:14.900 here
00:32:15.220 from
00:32:15.680 the
00:32:16.160 chat
00:32:16.500 external
00:32:17.420 extrapolations
00:32:18.360 feel
00:32:18.700 free
00:32:18.960 to
00:32:19.200 ask
00:32:19.380 your
00:32:19.500 question
00:32:19.840 go ahead
00:32:20.660 external
00:32:21.100 well thanks
00:32:23.860 very much
00:32:24.160 johannes
00:32:24.540 and hello
00:32:25.180 to
00:32:25.480 dr
00:32:25.820 de toy
00:32:26.200 i
00:32:27.520 did
00:32:28.680 try
00:32:28.940 to
00:32:29.300 look
00:32:29.900 up
00:32:30.180 some
00:32:31.120 of
00:32:31.240 the
00:32:31.440 personal
00:32:32.420 history
00:32:32.680 of
00:32:32.800 dr
00:32:33.000 de toy
00:32:33.340 and
00:32:33.860 i'll
00:32:34.940 leave
00:32:35.720 that
00:32:35.900 aside
00:32:36.220 just
00:32:36.400 for
00:32:36.520 now
00:32:36.860 but
00:32:37.580 what i
00:32:37.860 want
00:32:37.980 to
00:32:38.060 say
00:32:38.200 is
00:32:38.320 that
00:32:38.480 speaking
00:32:38.900 to
00:32:39.260 what
00:32:39.480 you've
00:32:39.600 just
00:32:39.740 said
00:32:40.000 there
00:32:40.220 that
00:32:40.440 FWD
00:32:41.800 clerk
00:32:42.080 dismantled
00:32:43.620 the
00:32:44.180 South
00:32:44.300 African
00:32:44.540 state
00:32:44.840 but
00:32:45.140 that
00:32:45.880 Pete
00:32:46.520 Botho
00:32:46.860 was
00:32:47.060 supposed
00:32:47.260 to
00:32:47.520 have
00:32:47.660 been
00:32:47.880 much
00:32:48.100 more
00:32:48.280 hardline
00:32:48.800 and
00:32:49.100 yet
00:32:49.280 it's
00:32:49.480 interesting
00:32:49.900 like in
00:32:50.500 the
00:32:50.600 normal
00:32:50.820 history
00:32:51.160 that
00:32:51.340 we
00:32:51.500 sort
00:32:52.720 of
00:32:52.820 thought
00:32:53.060 that
00:32:53.200 we
00:32:53.320 knew
00:32:53.520 but
00:32:54.080 very
00:32:54.300 interesting
00:32:54.680 to
00:32:54.860 hear
00:32:55.040 that
00:32:55.220 he
00:32:55.580 also
00:32:55.940 took
00:32:56.260 his
00:32:56.780 or
00:32:57.360 played
00:32:57.600 his
00:32:57.780 role
00:32:58.020 in
00:32:58.180 dismantling
00:32:58.700 or
00:32:59.940 giving
00:33:00.220 making
00:33:00.520 concessions
00:33:01.380 that
00:33:02.400 seemed
00:33:02.760 maybe
00:33:03.020 innocuous
00:33:03.500 and 0.96
00:33:03.640 like
00:33:03.800 you
00:33:03.920 said
00:33:04.080 they're
00:33:04.240 very
00:33:04.540 illustrative
00:33:05.060 although
00:33:05.500 it's
00:33:05.800 funny
00:33:06.140 it
00:33:06.620 has
00:33:06.820 borne
00:33:07.280 out
00:33:07.400 to
00:33:07.480 be
00:33:07.580 true
00:33:07.780 that
00:33:08.360 if
00:33:08.600 you
00:33:08.740 allow
00:33:09.100 anybody
00:33:09.580 to
00:33:09.840 represent
00:33:10.200 you
00:33:10.520 on
00:33:10.720 the
00:33:10.840 world
00:33:11.040 stage
00:33:11.420 even
00:33:11.660 in
00:33:11.840 sport
00:33:12.120 even
00:33:12.340 if
00:33:12.480 it
00:33:12.620 seems
00:33:12.940 that
00:33:13.120 it's
00:33:13.340 just
00:33:13.740 a
00:33:13.880 game
00:33:14.060 of
00:33:14.220 rugby
00:33:14.480 if
00:33:15.400 you
00:33:15.560 allow
00:33:15.780 somebody
00:33:16.040 who
00:33:16.160 is
00:33:16.300 not
00:33:16.560 you
00:33:16.800 to
00:33:17.060 represent
00:33:17.480 you
00:33:17.740 in
00:33:17.900 some
00:33:18.160 way
00:33:18.400 then
00:33:19.180 you've
00:33:19.560 already
00:33:19.880 given
00:33:20.220 ground
00:33:20.760 and
00:33:21.240 then
00:33:21.440 why
00:33:21.640 not
00:33:21.860 give
00:33:22.480 another
00:33:23.100 step
00:33:23.480 and
00:33:23.580 another
00:33:23.820 step
00:33:24.160 until
00:33:24.440 you've
00:33:24.720 got
00:33:24.840 nothing
00:33:25.080 left
00:33:34.240 American
00:33:34.660 CIA
00:33:35.240 member
00:33:37.240 of
00:33:38.860 the
00:33:39.200 journalist
00:33:40.360 elite
00:33:41.240 in
00:33:41.640 America
00:33:42.000 known as
00:33:43.120 William F.
00:33:43.660 Buckley
00:33:43.880 and
00:33:44.460 he
00:33:44.840 interviewed
00:33:45.340 in
00:33:45.500 1974
00:33:46.080 another
00:33:47.660 president
00:33:49.160 of
00:33:49.580 South
00:33:49.940 Africa
00:33:50.140 called
00:33:52.460 Balthasar
00:33:52.980 Johannes
00:33:53.480 Forster
00:33:54.340 and
00:33:56.100 I noted
00:33:57.820 that during
00:33:58.760 it he
00:33:59.040 was
00:33:59.360 asking
00:34:00.020 all these
00:34:00.420 very
00:34:00.720 gentle
00:34:02.060 but
00:34:02.400 probing
00:34:02.920 questions
00:34:03.780 and he
00:34:04.040 was
00:34:04.140 curious
00:34:04.700 why
00:34:05.080 this
00:34:05.300 and
00:34:05.400 why
00:34:05.540 that
00:34:05.700 and
00:34:06.220 always
00:34:06.600 I
00:34:06.780 noticed
00:34:07.160 that
00:34:07.580 Mr.
00:34:08.960 Forster
00:34:09.260 was at
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00:34:24.800 Ian Smith
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00:37:13.180 John
00:37:13.480 Foster
00:37:13.980 now
00:37:15.580 Mr.
00:37:17.400 Jaap
00:37:17.720 Marais
00:37:18.060 wrote
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00:37:28.960 1966
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00:42:02.280 part
00:42:02.580 of
00:42:02.740 South
00:42:03.000 Africa
00:42:03.520 even
00:42:04.760 today
00:42:05.340 if you
00:42:05.660 go and
00:42:05.980 have a
00:42:06.280 look at
00:42:06.620 where the
00:42:07.000 various
00:42:07.520 population
00:42:08.800 groups are
00:42:09.480 staying in
00:42:09.960 South
00:42:10.220 West
00:42:10.480 Africa
00:42:11.040 nearly
00:42:13.600 all the 0.97
00:42:14.140 blacks are 1.00
00:42:14.660 staying in 0.98
00:42:15.220 the
00:42:15.400 North
00:42:15.780 you
00:42:16.820 get a
00:42:17.800 small
00:42:18.400 colored
00:42:20.380 community
00:42:21.200 known as
00:42:22.360 the
00:42:22.580 Busters
00:42:23.020 in the
00:42:23.780 South
00:42:24.080 of
00:42:24.280 South
00:42:24.560 West
00:42:24.760 Africa
00:42:25.240 and the
00:42:26.320 rest of
00:42:26.740 South
00:42:27.020 West
00:42:27.260 Africa
00:42:27.740 was a
00:42:28.320 white
00:42:28.660 territory
00:42:29.380 at one
00:42:31.020 stage
00:42:31.600 when
00:42:32.340 the
00:42:32.980 liberal
00:42:33.400 powers
00:42:34.860 in the
00:42:35.200 world
00:42:35.580 wanted
00:42:36.620 to take
00:42:37.240 away
00:42:37.600 South
00:42:37.920 West
00:42:38.180 Africa
00:42:38.620 from
00:42:38.960 South
00:42:39.520 Africa
00:42:40.040 they
00:42:41.020 brought
00:42:41.680 this
00:42:42.360 issue
00:42:42.720 before
00:42:43.100 the
00:42:43.360 International
00:42:44.040 Court
00:42:44.520 of
00:42:44.720 Justice
00:42:45.160 and
00:42:46.400 the
00:42:46.600 International
00:42:47.320 Court
00:42:47.800 of
00:42:48.000 Justice
00:42:48.460 said
00:42:49.260 no
00:42:50.380 we
00:42:51.180 cannot
00:42:51.780 take
00:42:52.360 away
00:42:52.720 South
00:42:53.120 West
00:42:53.420 Africa
00:42:53.920 from
00:42:54.240 South
00:42:54.600 Africa
00:42:55.100 it's
00:42:55.900 an
00:42:56.100 integral
00:42:56.580 part
00:42:57.280 of
00:42:57.540 South
00:42:57.840 Africa
00:42:58.340 and
00:42:58.660 it
00:42:58.800 must
00:42:59.060 stay
00:42:59.460 that
00:42:59.740 way
00:43:00.080 so
00:43:01.120 in
00:43:02.100 for
00:43:02.780 all
00:43:03.140 practical
00:43:03.680 purposes
00:43:04.560 South
00:43:05.520 West
00:43:05.780 Africa
00:43:06.220 was
00:43:06.560 part
00:43:06.900 of
00:43:07.060 South
00:43:07.380 Africa
00:43:08.420 we
00:43:09.200 had
00:43:09.420 international
00:43:10.240 sanction
00:43:10.940 or
00:43:12.420 approval
00:43:13.100 to
00:43:14.020 keep
00:43:14.760 it
00:43:14.940 like
00:43:15.200 that
00:43:15.520 and
00:43:16.000 despite
00:43:16.540 that
00:43:17.040 John
00:43:17.600 Foster
00:43:18.100 started
00:43:19.100 the
00:43:19.400 process
00:43:19.960 of
00:43:21.020 getting
00:43:24.500 rid
00:43:24.840 of
00:43:25.080 South
00:43:25.380 Africa
00:43:26.160 amazing
00:43:28.920 and
00:43:29.540 very
00:43:29.860 very
00:43:30.120 interesting
00:43:30.660 also
00:43:31.280 very
00:43:31.620 very
00:43:31.860 relevant
00:43:32.320 just
00:43:33.580 to
00:43:33.800 show
00:43:34.260 how
00:43:35.220 you
00:43:35.520 know
00:43:35.720 underhanded
00:43:36.600 and
00:43:37.720 how
00:43:37.960 unfairly
00:43:38.880 the
00:43:39.420 wide
00:43:39.780 population
00:43:40.480 of
00:43:40.920 South
00:43:41.180 Africa
00:43:41.600 have
00:43:41.920 been
00:43:42.100 treated
00:43:42.460 thank
00:43:42.760 you
00:43:42.860 Dr.
00:43:43.140 Mike
00:43:43.300 so
00:43:43.600 I
00:43:44.460 think
00:43:44.740 we've
00:43:45.120 got
00:43:45.400 another
00:43:46.240 author
00:43:46.700 here
00:43:47.120 Frank
00:43:48.700 De Silva
00:43:49.300 welcome
00:43:50.760 Frank
00:43:51.320 it's
00:43:51.800 it's
00:43:52.080 a
00:43:52.200 pleasure
00:43:52.420 having
00:43:52.760 you
00:43:52.920 here
00:43:53.140 I
00:43:53.380 think
00:43:53.820 that
00:43:54.000 you
00:43:54.100 will
00:43:54.240 find
00:43:54.540 tonight's
00:43:55.020 conversation
00:43:55.680 very
00:43:56.940 interesting
00:43:57.940 I
00:43:58.580 see
00:43:58.740 you've
00:43:58.920 got
00:43:59.040 a
00:43:59.220 question
00:43:59.640 for
00:43:59.980 Dr.
00:44:00.320 Mike
00:44:00.560 please
00:44:01.480 feel
00:44:02.080 free
00:44:02.480 to
00:44:03.200 ask
00:44:03.860 him
00:44:04.100 what
00:44:04.480 you
00:44:04.600 want
00:44:04.780 to
00:44:04.900 ask
00:44:05.120 him
00:44:05.300 yeah
00:44:06.440 thank
00:44:06.820 you
00:44:07.040 Dr.
00:44:08.040 Dutui
00:44:08.480 I'm
00:44:08.740 a
00:44:08.880 fellow
00:44:09.220 political
00:44:10.140 prisoner
00:44:10.580 just
00:44:10.880 like
00:44:11.100 yourself
00:44:11.580 it's
00:44:12.240 I'm
00:44:12.880 very
00:44:13.080 grateful
00:44:13.480 that
00:44:13.680 you
00:44:13.840 survived
00:44:14.420 your
00:44:14.660 experience
00:44:15.400 some
00:44:16.840 of
00:44:16.940 my
00:44:17.120 comrades
00:44:17.460 in
00:44:17.980 the
00:44:18.340 United
00:44:18.600 States
00:44:19.180 who
00:44:19.940 died
00:44:20.400 in
00:44:20.720 American
00:44:21.240 gulags
00:44:21.980 with
00:44:23.220 South
00:44:23.500 Africa
00:44:23.860 heavily
00:44:24.900 on their
00:44:25.460 hearts
00:44:25.860 over the
00:44:26.640 many
00:44:26.800 many
00:44:27.020 years
00:44:27.420 and so
00:44:28.240 what
00:44:28.760 I
00:44:28.880 want
00:44:29.040 to
00:44:29.140 ask
00:44:29.480 you
00:44:29.680 is
00:44:30.000 it's
00:44:30.520 a
00:44:30.880 segue
00:44:31.160 into
00:44:31.960 what
00:44:32.200 you
00:44:32.400 are
00:44:32.680 what
00:44:33.980 you're
00:44:34.200 presently
00:44:34.680 discussing
00:44:35.240 and that
00:44:35.680 is
00:44:35.960 if
00:44:36.240 you
00:44:36.660 don't
00:44:36.880 mind
00:44:37.100 let
00:44:37.260 me
00:44:37.340 take
00:44:37.580 you
00:44:37.720 back
00:44:37.980 to
00:44:38.160 General
00:44:38.520 C.
00:44:38.820 Duet
00:44:39.220 when
00:44:40.580 the
00:44:40.780 boers 0.96
00:44:41.100 were
00:44:41.480 enlisted
00:44:42.060 to
00:44:42.420 protect
00:44:43.080 their
00:44:44.180 native
00:44:44.520 soil
00:44:45.100 and
00:44:46.060 their
00:44:46.280 families
00:44:46.980 what
00:44:47.840 I'm
00:44:48.260 interested
00:44:48.840 in
00:44:49.140 doctor
00:44:49.460 is
00:44:50.060 the
00:44:50.780 powers
00:44:51.600 that
00:44:52.560 number
00:44:53.300 one
00:44:53.620 were
00:44:53.840 supporting
00:44:54.520 the
00:44:55.440 military
00:44:56.040 effort
00:44:56.600 by
00:44:57.620 Christian
00:44:58.360 Duet
00:44:58.760 the
00:45:00.140 military
00:45:00.660 was
00:45:00.980 formed
00:45:01.500 the
00:45:01.800 government
00:45:02.120 of
00:45:02.320 South
00:45:02.580 Africa
00:45:02.940 is
00:45:03.340 basically
00:45:03.940 being
00:45:04.800 reformed
00:45:06.040 because
00:45:06.380 of this
00:45:06.840 confrontation
00:45:07.600 with
00:45:08.120 England
00:45:08.900 how
00:45:10.340 did
00:45:10.760 the
00:45:11.000 American
00:45:11.640 British
00:45:13.280 and
00:45:14.560 United
00:45:15.740 Nations
00:45:16.320 well
00:45:16.720 not
00:45:16.960 even
00:45:17.120 the
00:45:17.280 United
00:45:17.480 Nations
00:45:17.840 but
00:45:18.120 the
00:45:18.460 European
00:45:19.160 powers
00:45:19.880 including
00:45:20.340 Germany
00:45:20.940 at
00:45:21.900 what
00:45:22.160 point
00:45:22.620 did
00:45:22.900 they
00:45:23.200 coalesce
00:45:24.300 as
00:45:25.100 a
00:45:25.340 group
00:45:25.820 in
00:45:26.440 South
00:45:26.840 Africa
00:45:27.380 either
00:45:28.800 aiding
00:45:29.340 or detracting
00:45:30.540 from the
00:45:31.020 South
00:45:31.280 African
00:45:31.660 government
00:45:32.160 and
00:45:32.980 then
00:45:33.400 20
00:45:34.120 or
00:45:34.300 30
00:45:34.580 years
00:45:34.880 down
00:45:35.140 the
00:45:35.340 road
00:45:35.640 what
00:45:36.180 role
00:45:37.000 did
00:45:37.740 America
00:45:38.420 specifically
00:45:40.180 play
00:45:40.920 in
00:45:41.560 the
00:45:41.700 destruction
00:45:42.320 of
00:45:42.920 South
00:45:43.280 Africa
00:45:43.800 and
00:45:44.200 what
00:45:45.260 I'm
00:45:45.460 getting
00:45:45.720 at
00:45:45.880 I
00:45:46.040 want
00:45:46.280 to
00:45:46.380 hear
00:45:46.580 more
00:45:46.920 names
00:45:47.480 I
00:45:47.640 want
00:45:47.800 to
00:45:47.900 hear
00:45:48.100 American
00:45:48.900 politicians
00:45:50.180 financiers
00:45:52.180 working
00:45:52.680 with
00:45:53.320 the
00:45:54.140 city
00:45:54.400 of
00:45:54.600 London
00:45:54.940 in
00:45:55.520 England
00:45:55.960 who
00:45:57.060 were
00:45:57.340 at
00:45:57.600 odds
00:45:58.060 with
00:45:58.560 the
00:45:59.180 South
00:45:59.420 Africans
00:45:59.900 and
00:46:00.060 the
00:46:00.200 South
00:46:00.420 African
00:46:00.740 government
00:46:01.180 if
00:46:01.800 you
00:46:01.940 do
00:46:02.220 that
00:46:02.540 it
00:46:02.700 will
00:46:02.840 provide
00:46:03.280 a
00:46:03.480 larger
00:46:04.140 picture
00:46:05.220 to
00:46:05.740 your
00:46:06.240 American
00:46:06.700 audience
00:46:07.300 and
00:46:08.340 Americans
00:46:09.140 can
00:46:09.500 relate
00:46:09.940 a lot
00:46:10.320 of
00:46:10.420 these
00:46:10.620 moves
00:46:11.000 to
00:46:11.200 NGOs
00:46:11.920 to
00:46:12.980 money
00:46:13.540 to
00:46:14.880 international
00:46:15.880 manipulation
00:46:16.680 and
00:46:17.780 then
00:46:17.960 ultimately
00:46:18.660 why
00:46:19.840 destroy
00:46:20.800 South 0.96
00:46:22.300 Africa
00:46:22.780 why
00:46:23.260 destroy
00:46:23.920 that
00:46:24.200 industrial
00:46:24.700 base
00:46:25.380 in
00:46:25.940 South
00:46:26.340 Africa
00:46:26.780 that's
00:46:27.560 those
00:46:27.780 are
00:46:27.920 questions
00:46:28.300 I've
00:46:28.580 had
00:46:28.840 for
00:46:29.060 many
00:46:29.400 many
00:46:29.640 many
00:46:29.880 years
00:46:30.320 thank
00:46:30.860 you
00:46:31.220 Frank
00:46:34.320 thanks
00:46:34.920 for
00:46:35.160 the
00:46:35.340 question
00:46:35.880 look
00:46:38.700 South
00:46:39.120 Africa
00:46:39.760 had
00:46:41.360 a
00:46:41.600 system
00:46:42.120 very
00:46:42.820 much
00:46:43.300 like
00:46:43.860 national
00:46:45.420 socialist
00:46:46.200 Germany
00:46:47.040 based
00:46:47.780 on
00:46:48.060 race
00:46:48.540 and
00:46:50.860 apparently
00:46:53.140 there's
00:46:53.540 in the
00:46:53.800 world
00:46:54.020 just
00:46:54.460 one
00:46:55.100 of
00:46:55.560 two
00:46:55.800 systems
00:46:56.520 or
00:46:57.180 rather
00:46:57.420 let me
00:46:57.820 say
00:46:58.120 there's
00:46:59.000 a
00:46:59.200 struggle
00:46:59.600 between
00:47:00.240 two
00:47:00.740 types
00:47:01.180 of
00:47:01.380 political
00:47:01.860 systems
00:47:02.600 the
00:47:03.600 one
00:47:03.940 is
00:47:04.420 a
00:47:04.760 system
00:47:05.120 based
00:47:05.540 on
00:47:05.800 race
00:47:06.220 and
00:47:07.180 the
00:47:07.360 other
00:47:07.620 one
00:47:07.920 is
00:47:08.180 a
00:47:08.380 system
00:47:08.820 based
00:47:09.360 on
00:47:09.820 non
00:47:11.580 racial
00:47:12.220 society
00:47:14.280 where
00:47:15.540 everybody
00:47:16.020 is
00:47:16.460 just
00:47:16.740 a
00:47:16.980 human
00:47:17.300 being
00:47:17.720 and
00:47:17.980 everybody
00:47:18.460 can
00:47:19.200 take
00:47:19.920 part
00:47:20.260 in
00:47:20.420 the
00:47:20.560 political
00:47:21.000 process
00:47:21.560 so
00:47:22.800 it
00:47:23.000 was
00:47:23.280 quite
00:47:23.660 important
00:47:24.460 for
00:47:25.420 the
00:47:25.660 liberal
00:47:26.000 powers
00:47:26.600 in
00:47:26.780 the
00:47:26.940 world
00:47:27.340 to
00:47:27.660 destroy
00:47:28.180 South 0.96
00:47:28.600 Africa
00:47:29.160 because
00:47:31.260 South
00:47:31.600 Africa
00:47:32.140 was
00:47:33.100 a
00:47:33.300 living
00:47:33.560 example
00:47:34.300 that
00:47:34.860 a
00:47:35.080 system
00:47:35.420 based
00:47:35.860 on
00:47:36.100 race
00:47:36.420 can
00:47:36.700 work
00:47:37.160 so
00:47:38.180 it
00:47:38.360 was
00:47:38.640 very
00:47:39.040 very
00:47:39.340 important
00:47:39.940 to
00:47:40.300 the
00:47:40.500 liberal
00:47:40.800 powers
00:47:41.320 of
00:47:41.540 the
00:47:41.680 world
00:47:42.020 especially
00:47:43.340 Britain
00:47:44.220 and
00:47:44.660 the
00:47:44.800 United
00:47:45.160 States
00:47:45.580 of
00:47:45.780 America
00:47:46.240 to 0.98
00:47:46.480 destroy 0.96
00:47:47.040 us 0.99
00:47:47.440 and
00:47:48.900 yes
00:47:49.280 I
00:47:49.500 don't
00:47:49.800 know
00:47:50.120 who
00:47:50.660 the
00:47:50.900 major
00:47:52.460 figures
00:47:54.500 in
00:47:54.780 America
00:47:55.280 were
00:47:55.840 who
00:47:56.760 helped
00:47:57.480 destroying
00:47:57.980 South
00:47:58.340 Africa
00:47:58.780 but
00:47:59.600 it
00:47:59.780 would
00:47:59.980 have
00:48:00.200 been
00:48:00.440 all
00:48:00.820 the
00:48:01.000 leaders
00:48:01.380 of
00:48:01.680 the
00:48:01.840 United
00:48:02.220 States
00:48:02.760 from
00:48:03.120 about
00:48:03.560 1980
00:48:04.520 they
00:48:06.260 were
00:48:08.060 the
00:48:08.400 instigators
00:48:09.400 they
00:48:09.840 were
00:48:10.080 the
00:48:10.340 persons
00:48:10.820 who
00:48:11.180 applied
00:48:12.020 sanctions
00:48:12.660 against
00:48:13.180 us
00:48:13.660 they
00:48:14.960 were
00:48:16.420 the
00:48:16.680 British
00:48:17.100 too
00:48:17.400 of course
00:48:18.040 and
00:48:19.380 they
00:48:20.100 pressurized
00:48:21.120 us
00:48:21.600 so
00:48:23.040 Britain
00:48:24.160 and
00:48:24.980 the
00:48:25.140 United
00:48:25.520 States
00:48:26.000 of
00:48:26.220 America
00:48:26.780 were
00:48:27.760 probably
00:48:28.300 the
00:48:28.600 two
00:48:28.900 most
00:48:29.400 important
00:48:30.220 powers
00:48:30.740 in the
00:48:31.080 world
00:48:31.460 that
00:48:32.120 wanted
00:48:32.460 to
00:48:32.700 destroy 0.96
00:48:33.180 us 0.99
00:48:33.560 I
00:48:35.900 can't
00:48:36.580 remember
00:48:37.000 now
00:48:37.380 who
00:48:37.660 were
00:48:38.000 the
00:48:38.300 leaders
00:48:39.020 of
00:48:39.300 America
00:48:39.800 since
00:48:40.200 the
00:48:40.440 1980s
00:48:41.420 but
00:48:42.280 they
00:48:42.580 were
00:48:42.820 the
00:48:43.000 ones
00:48:43.300 who
00:48:43.480 did
00:48:43.680 it
00:48:44.020 Frank
00:48:52.760 do you
00:48:53.080 want
00:48:53.260 to
00:48:53.400 follow
00:48:53.620 up
00:48:53.840 on
00:48:53.960 that
00:48:54.140 Frank
00:49:00.620 did
00:49:00.780 you
00:49:00.860 have
00:49:01.000 a
00:49:01.120 follow
00:49:01.360 up
00:49:01.600 yeah
00:49:02.660 sorry
00:49:02.960 about
00:49:03.140 that
00:49:03.320 my
00:49:03.480 phone
00:49:03.720 is
00:49:03.860 in
00:49:03.980 my
00:49:04.140 pocket
00:49:04.480 I'm
00:49:05.380 walking
00:49:05.680 around
00:49:05.940 the
00:49:06.100 house
00:49:06.320 yeah
00:49:07.780 I
00:49:08.040 want
00:49:09.240 more
00:49:10.420 in-depth
00:49:12.840 discussion
00:49:13.540 doctor
00:49:14.000 from
00:49:15.160 the
00:49:15.620 time
00:49:15.940 period
00:49:16.360 of
00:49:16.620 the
00:49:16.780 end
00:49:17.020 of
00:49:17.140 the
00:49:17.280 Boer
00:49:17.520 War
00:49:17.860 to
00:49:18.800 let's
00:49:19.040 say
00:49:19.200 1950
00:49:20.220 we
00:49:21.640 have
00:49:21.960 or
00:49:22.160 South
00:49:22.460 Africa
00:49:22.760 had
00:49:23.020 the
00:49:23.200 Milner
00:49:23.480 group
00:49:23.960 kitcheners
00:49:25.100 Cecil
00:49:26.220 Rhodes
00:49:26.740 there
00:49:27.260 was
00:49:27.420 a lot
00:49:27.840 of
00:49:28.180 international
00:49:28.940 players
00:49:29.620 even
00:49:30.000 though
00:49:30.220 they
00:49:30.400 were
00:49:30.720 nationals
00:49:33.280 at that
00:49:33.640 time
00:49:34.040 what I'm
00:49:34.680 getting at
00:49:35.200 doctor
00:49:35.560 is for
00:49:36.300 the
00:49:36.560 American
00:49:36.960 audience
00:49:37.520 if you
00:49:38.420 can try
00:49:39.100 to
00:49:39.760 elucidate
00:49:41.440 more
00:49:41.840 on the
00:49:42.420 primary
00:49:43.380 movers
00:49:44.680 in
00:49:46.060 South
00:49:46.480 Africa
00:49:46.880 in
00:49:47.200 relationship
00:49:47.860 to
00:49:48.360 first
00:49:48.880 the
00:49:49.080 British
00:49:49.380 government
00:49:49.820 and
00:49:50.920 then
00:49:51.420 secondarily
00:49:52.300 the
00:49:52.580 American
00:49:52.940 government
00:49:53.420 as a
00:49:54.480 coalition
00:49:55.220 forming
00:49:56.380 against
00:49:57.300 the
00:49:57.780 native
00:49:58.120 South
00:49:58.560 Africans
00:49:59.060 and
00:49:59.980 the
00:50:00.240 big
00:50:00.460 question
00:50:00.920 is
00:50:01.300 why
00:50:01.900 okay
00:50:02.880 besides
00:50:03.620 natural
00:50:04.200 resources
00:50:04.840 and that
00:50:05.500 kind
00:50:05.720 of thing
00:50:06.060 why
00:50:07.200 would
00:50:07.680 the
00:50:07.960 colony
00:50:08.580 in
00:50:09.880 America
00:50:10.240 we call
00:50:10.880 South
00:50:11.260 Africa
00:50:11.540 the
00:50:11.740 white
00:50:12.000 tip
00:50:12.360 and
00:50:13.400 there's
00:50:13.920 a
00:50:14.060 reason
00:50:14.340 for
00:50:14.600 that
00:50:14.860 but
00:50:15.120 why
00:50:15.560 would
00:50:15.780 they
00:50:15.940 destroy
00:50:16.420 the 1.00
00:50:16.640 white
00:50:16.920 tip
00:50:17.440 relative
00:50:18.640 to
00:50:19.140 the
00:50:19.500 economic
00:50:20.200 viability
00:50:21.420 of the
00:50:21.940 African
00:50:22.400 continent
00:50:22.940 considering
00:50:23.520 the
00:50:24.220 South
00:50:24.440 African
00:50:24.740 people
00:50:25.300 without
00:50:26.040 exception
00:50:26.640 were
00:50:27.500 both
00:50:27.900 the
00:50:28.200 greatest
00:50:28.500 manufacturers
00:50:29.380 inventors
00:50:30.580 military
00:50:32.280 men
00:50:32.800 I mean
00:50:33.860 you know
00:50:34.220 it's
00:50:34.560 it's
00:50:34.840 western
00:50:35.140 civilization
00:50:35.860 right
00:50:36.380 so
00:50:37.280 this
00:50:37.700 particular
00:50:38.360 coalition
00:50:39.980 I
00:50:40.860 want
00:50:41.220 names
00:50:41.940 of
00:50:42.260 these
00:50:42.560 people
00:50:43.040 and
00:50:43.800 if
00:50:43.960 you
00:50:44.060 can't
00:50:44.340 provide
00:50:44.760 the
00:50:45.000 names
00:50:45.440 then
00:50:45.820 try
00:50:46.260 to
00:50:46.800 elucidate
00:50:47.980 to the
00:50:48.240 American
00:50:48.560 audience
00:50:49.180 the
00:50:49.780 same
00:50:50.320 process
00:50:51.300 by which
00:50:51.860 South
00:50:52.200 Africa
00:50:52.760 was being
00:50:53.620 eliminated
00:50:54.300 is what
00:50:55.540 they're
00:50:55.740 using
00:50:56.240 against
00:50:57.140 the
00:50:57.360 United
00:50:57.600 States
00:50:58.220 as well
00:50:59.220 as
00:50:59.500 the
00:50:59.740 greater
00:51:00.120 west
00:51:00.700 and
00:51:01.480 if
00:51:01.760 you
00:51:01.920 can
00:51:02.100 focus
00:51:02.620 more
00:51:03.100 on
00:51:03.560 the
00:51:04.400 why
00:51:04.920 and
00:51:05.080 the
00:51:05.220 who
00:51:05.460 because
00:51:05.800 that's
00:51:06.220 important
00:51:06.700 people
00:51:07.160 need
00:51:07.540 to be
00:51:07.840 able
00:51:08.000 to
00:51:08.360 kind
00:51:09.160 of
00:51:09.240 like
00:51:09.440 point
00:51:09.720 a
00:51:09.900 finger
00:51:10.180 at
00:51:10.500 a
00:51:10.740 group
00:51:11.220 or
00:51:11.560 individuals
00:51:12.640 who
00:51:13.900 still
00:51:14.420 after
00:51:14.840 70
00:51:15.420 or 80
00:51:15.760 years
00:51:16.200 are
00:51:16.480 still
00:51:17.160 at
00:51:17.560 work
00:51:18.000 trying
00:51:18.360 to
00:51:18.580 destroy 0.64
00:51:19.120 my 0.60
00:51:19.920 country
00:51:20.380 as
00:51:21.160 well
00:51:21.420 as
00:51:21.820 the
00:51:22.140 rest
00:51:22.540 of
00:51:22.660 the
00:51:22.800 west
00:51:23.120 so
00:51:23.720 thank
00:51:24.080 you
00:51:24.200 very
00:51:24.380 much
00:51:24.740 yes
00:51:29.200 yes
00:51:29.240 Frank
00:51:29.720 like
00:51:32.020 like
00:51:32.040 I've
00:51:32.320 already
00:51:32.640 said
00:51:33.060 it
00:51:33.380 was
00:51:33.640 important
00:51:34.260 for
00:51:34.780 the
00:51:34.980 liberal
00:51:35.260 powers
00:51:35.800 in
00:51:35.960 the
00:51:36.100 world
00:51:36.320 to
00:51:36.540 destroy
00:51:37.100 a
00:51:37.520 political
00:51:37.900 system
00:51:38.440 based
00:51:38.800 on
00:51:39.020 race
00:51:39.400 and
00:51:40.460 as
00:51:40.780 you
00:51:40.980 have
00:51:41.300 already
00:51:42.040 mentioned
00:51:42.840 South
00:51:43.780 Africa
00:51:44.220 have
00:51:44.520 a lot
00:51:44.820 of
00:51:45.040 minerals
00:51:45.500 and
00:51:46.940 it's
00:51:47.240 very
00:51:47.500 difficult
00:51:48.080 for the
00:51:48.680 international
00:51:49.420 money
00:51:49.980 powers
00:51:50.700 to get
00:51:51.880 hold of
00:51:52.360 that
00:51:52.640 minerals
00:51:53.340 while
00:51:54.560 if there
00:51:55.000 is a
00:51:55.340 black 0.94
00:51:55.740 government
00:51:56.260 in
00:51:56.600 power
00:51:57.140 they
00:51:58.120 can
00:51:58.400 easily
00:51:59.000 get
00:51:59.620 their hands
00:52:00.260 on those
00:52:00.900 minerals
00:52:01.420 and
00:52:03.160 then
00:52:03.500 of course
00:52:04.400 there's
00:52:04.740 also
00:52:05.080 the
00:52:05.380 strategic
00:52:06.360 route
00:52:08.260 around
00:52:08.620 the
00:52:08.860 cape
00:52:09.120 and
00:52:10.760 the
00:52:12.660 other
00:52:13.000 thing
00:52:13.360 is
00:52:13.840 that
00:52:14.300 these
00:52:16.300 political
00:52:17.240 leaders
00:52:17.900 were
00:52:18.300 influenced
00:52:19.260 by
00:52:20.580 the
00:52:20.880 capitalist
00:52:21.460 system
00:52:22.520 capitalism
00:52:23.600 in itself
00:52:24.840 is also
00:52:26.340 an
00:52:27.520 enemy
00:52:28.020 of
00:52:28.880 the
00:52:30.720 white
00:52:31.060 man
00:52:31.360 in
00:52:31.600 South
00:52:31.840 Africa
00:52:32.380 remember
00:52:34.160 capitalism
00:52:35.060 wants
00:52:35.860 to make
00:52:36.340 money
00:52:36.780 for the
00:52:37.480 sake
00:52:37.760 of
00:52:38.020 making
00:52:38.440 money
00:52:38.880 and
00:52:40.380 if
00:52:40.580 anybody
00:52:41.160 stands
00:52:41.680 in
00:52:41.900 their
00:52:42.080 way
00:52:42.520 whether
00:52:43.180 it's
00:52:43.480 a
00:52:43.640 white
00:52:43.880 government
00:52:44.420 or
00:52:44.780 a 0.96
00:52:44.940 black 0.94
00:52:45.180 government 0.96
00:52:45.900 they
00:52:46.740 will
00:52:46.980 destroy
00:52:47.500 that 0.75
00:52:47.800 government
00:52:48.320 so
00:52:50.820 the
00:52:52.320 people
00:52:53.300 working
00:52:54.140 with
00:52:54.520 the
00:52:54.960 political
00:52:56.060 leaders
00:52:56.600 of the
00:52:57.040 United
00:52:57.400 States
00:52:57.900 and
00:52:58.140 Britain
00:52:58.620 were
00:52:59.700 mostly
00:53:00.300 industrialists
00:53:03.060 and
00:53:04.600 other
00:53:04.980 economic
00:53:05.680 role
00:53:06.040 players
00:53:06.600 and
00:53:07.840 in
00:53:08.500 South
00:53:08.760 Africa
00:53:09.200 itself
00:53:09.880 there
00:53:10.180 were
00:53:10.380 also
00:53:10.780 a lot
00:53:11.140 of
00:53:11.320 economic
00:53:11.800 role
00:53:12.180 players
00:53:15.060 the most
00:53:16.460 important
00:53:17.020 being
00:53:17.500 at that
00:53:19.540 stage
00:53:20.020 Harry
00:53:20.480 Oppenheimer
00:53:21.120 nowadays
00:53:22.260 it's
00:53:22.780 the
00:53:22.980 Rupert
00:53:23.380 family
00:53:23.840 so
00:53:25.180 one can
00:53:26.800 say
00:53:27.280 that
00:53:27.880 every
00:53:30.420 person
00:53:31.280 and
00:53:31.940 power
00:53:32.640 that
00:53:34.320 is
00:53:37.420 against
00:53:38.100 a
00:53:38.640 white
00:53:39.520 racial
00:53:40.080 system
00:53:40.700 or a
00:53:42.100 stable
00:53:42.560 political
00:53:43.180 system
00:53:43.920 wanted
00:53:45.300 to
00:53:45.920 intervene
00:53:47.660 here
00:53:48.140 to make
00:53:49.240 it easier
00:53:49.900 for them
00:53:50.500 to make
00:53:51.580 money
00:53:52.040 out of
00:53:53.020 South
00:53:53.280 Africa
00:53:53.840 I
00:53:55.800 mean
00:53:56.100 that
00:53:56.400 is
00:53:56.640 what
00:53:57.000 all
00:53:57.560 wars
00:53:57.900 are
00:53:58.100 also
00:53:58.540 basically
00:53:59.160 about
00:53:59.740 if
00:54:01.140 you
00:54:01.480 if
00:54:01.880 you
00:54:02.000 are
00:54:02.160 in
00:54:02.340 financial
00:54:02.960 trouble
00:54:03.460 you
00:54:03.940 start
00:54:04.340 a war
00:54:04.900 you
00:54:06.000 get
00:54:06.260 out
00:54:06.480 of
00:54:06.640 that
00:54:06.820 troubles
00:54:07.320 if
00:54:08.660 you
00:54:08.840 want
00:54:09.180 to
00:54:09.560 improve
00:54:11.160 your
00:54:11.400 power
00:54:11.880 you
00:54:12.240 start
00:54:12.620 a war
00:54:13.140 if
00:54:14.040 you
00:54:14.180 want
00:54:14.460 to
00:54:14.620 get
00:54:14.920 more
00:54:15.320 economic
00:54:16.000 power
00:54:16.500 you
00:54:17.220 do
00:54:17.440 it
00:54:17.600 by
00:54:17.800 means
00:54:18.120 of
00:54:18.320 war
00:54:18.800 so
00:54:19.960 in
00:54:21.200 general
00:54:21.580 I
00:54:21.860 can
00:54:22.040 say
00:54:22.400 it's
00:54:23.320 the
00:54:23.700 political
00:54:24.620 leaders
00:54:25.180 but
00:54:26.160 also
00:54:26.580 the
00:54:26.820 economic
00:54:27.380 the
00:54:27.700 main
00:54:28.000 economic
00:54:28.600 role
00:54:28.940 players
00:54:29.460 in
00:54:29.700 each
00:54:29.940 of
00:54:30.200 those
00:54:31.060 countries
00:54:31.680 and
00:54:33.200 also
00:54:34.420 the
00:54:34.880 economic
00:54:35.820 role
00:54:36.220 players
00:54:36.700 within
00:54:37.140 South
00:54:37.580 Africa
00:54:38.080 okay
00:54:41.580 so
00:54:42.160 it is
00:54:43.120 interesting
00:54:43.680 and I'll
00:54:44.060 just
00:54:44.380 for
00:54:45.120 posterity
00:54:46.400 purposes
00:54:47.320 mention
00:54:47.960 that
00:54:48.300 that
00:54:49.200 the
00:54:50.400 Rupert
00:54:50.920 and
00:54:51.220 some
00:54:51.500 of
00:54:51.660 the
00:54:51.820 biggest
00:54:52.260 players
00:54:53.360 in
00:54:53.840 the
00:54:54.100 undoing
00:54:54.860 of
00:54:55.240 South
00:54:55.560 Africa
00:54:56.140 as
00:54:57.160 a
00:54:57.340 white
00:54:57.780 racial
00:54:58.640 nation
00:54:59.880 state
00:55:00.580 were
00:55:01.980 ethnic
00:55:02.680 Jews
00:55:03.280 I
00:55:04.260 think
00:55:04.600 that
00:55:04.840 it's
00:55:05.080 just
00:55:05.400 important
00:55:05.940 to
00:55:06.240 mention
00:55:06.600 that
00:55:06.980 because
00:55:07.920 you
00:55:08.540 know
00:55:08.860 I
00:55:09.580 think
00:55:10.060 that
00:55:10.500 a lot
00:55:11.540 of
00:55:11.640 times
00:55:11.920 the
00:55:12.100 Jews
00:55:12.300 do
00:55:12.440 not
00:55:12.580 get
00:55:12.780 enough
00:55:13.060 credit
00:55:13.420 for
00:55:14.080 their
00:55:14.360 hard
00:55:14.760 work
00:55:15.200 that
00:55:15.460 they
00:55:15.660 put
00:55:15.980 in
00:55:16.460 to
00:55:16.760 ensure
00:55:17.860 you
00:55:18.640 know
00:55:19.000 that
00:55:19.400 the
00:55:20.520 world
00:55:20.820 remains
00:55:21.420 or
00:55:21.900 moves
00:55:22.440 to
00:55:22.680 a
00:55:22.960 more
00:55:23.180 multiracial
00:55:24.100 system
00:55:25.200 but I
00:55:26.100 say that
00:55:26.620 in jest
00:55:26.960 anyway
00:55:27.560 Dr. Mike
00:55:29.560 in the
00:55:31.760 current
00:55:32.740 South
00:55:33.160 African
00:55:33.600 landscape
00:55:34.240 I see
00:55:35.640 a big
00:55:36.200 push 0.64
00:55:36.820 towards
00:55:37.880 the
00:55:38.200 privatization
00:55:39.360 which is
00:55:40.060 actually
00:55:40.360 something
00:55:40.740 that
00:55:41.000 happened
00:55:41.400 happened
00:55:42.020 in
00:55:42.480 the
00:55:43.500 1980s
00:55:44.680 when
00:55:45.500 Pierre
00:55:46.280 Vierboeta
00:55:46.900 held a
00:55:47.460 conference
00:55:48.100 in which
00:55:48.720 coincidentally
00:55:50.800 Harry
00:55:52.180 Oppenheimer
00:55:52.760 was one
00:55:53.280 of the
00:55:53.500 main
00:55:53.760 speakers
00:55:54.400 and one
00:55:54.760 of the
00:55:54.960 main
00:55:55.140 driving
00:55:55.600 forces
00:55:56.060 behind
00:55:56.640 this
00:55:57.240 meeting
00:55:57.740 in which
00:55:59.220 he
00:55:59.700 already
00:56:00.400 in
00:56:00.720 1980s
00:56:01.900 spoke
00:56:03.460 about
00:56:03.960 the
00:56:04.380 privatization
00:56:05.540 of
00:56:06.220 state
00:56:06.700 sectors
00:56:07.540 and
00:56:09.600 the
00:56:09.920 opening
00:56:10.380 up
00:56:10.780 of
00:56:11.020 the
00:56:11.160 economy
00:56:11.660 in
00:56:12.220 other
00:56:12.480 words
00:56:12.920 a
00:56:13.280 capitalist
00:56:13.920 free
00:56:14.520 market
00:56:14.980 economy
00:56:15.460 right
00:56:16.220 now
00:56:16.500 we
00:56:16.700 are
00:56:16.900 seeing
00:56:17.340 major
00:56:17.880 political
00:56:18.380 role
00:56:18.760 players
00:56:19.120 like
00:56:19.460 Rob
00:56:19.740 Ashok
00:56:20.180 introducing
00:56:21.300 the
00:56:22.000 idea
00:56:22.500 of a
00:56:23.140 radical
00:56:23.760 capitalist
00:56:25.000 free
00:56:25.540 market
00:56:26.180 economy
00:56:27.260 I
00:56:28.340 see
00:56:28.660 that
00:56:28.920 as a
00:56:29.220 very
00:56:29.420 dark
00:56:29.820 foreboding
00:56:30.580 for
00:56:30.940 white
00:56:31.240 South
00:56:31.500 Africa
00:56:32.020 could
00:56:32.940 you
00:56:33.120 explain
00:56:33.720 to
00:56:33.980 us
00:56:34.340 why
00:56:35.020 a
00:56:35.460 free
00:56:35.740 market
00:56:36.220 economy
00:56:36.860 is
00:56:37.560 hostile
00:56:38.240 to 1.00
00:56:38.800 white
00:56:39.100 people
00:56:39.560 and
00:56:40.040 why
00:56:40.360 we
00:56:40.680 must
00:56:41.320 do
00:56:41.660 everything
00:56:42.200 within
00:56:42.480 our
00:56:42.740 power
00:56:43.220 to
00:56:43.700 move
00:56:43.980 away
00:56:44.320 from
00:56:44.560 capitalist
00:56:45.060 systems
00:56:45.840 and
00:56:46.520 more
00:56:47.080 towards
00:56:47.780 racially
00:56:48.940 based
00:56:49.480 economic
00:56:50.200 principles
00:56:51.120 you'll
00:56:52.920 have to
00:56:53.140 unmute
00:56:53.420 there you
00:56:53.780 go
00:56:53.980 yeah
00:56:54.220 Johannes
00:56:56.880 let me
00:56:57.420 start off
00:56:57.920 by saying
00:56:58.640 one of
00:57:01.420 the greatest
00:57:02.160 philosophers
00:57:02.960 that ever
00:57:03.780 lived
00:57:04.280 is
00:57:05.280 Julius
00:57:05.920 Evola
00:57:06.600 he wrote
00:57:08.000 a book
00:57:08.560 after
00:57:11.800 world war
00:57:12.480 two
00:57:12.800 men
00:57:13.620 amongst
00:57:14.220 the
00:57:14.500 runes
00:57:15.060 in which
00:57:16.340 he explained
00:57:17.160 that
00:57:17.480 capitalism
00:57:18.340 is
00:57:19.960 negative
00:57:20.960 in
00:57:22.060 all
00:57:22.520 aspects
00:57:23.140 of
00:57:23.400 society
00:57:24.060 some
00:57:25.200 people
00:57:25.660 want
00:57:26.060 to
00:57:26.420 enrich
00:57:26.920 themselves
00:57:27.540 and
00:57:28.640 in
00:57:28.880 the
00:57:29.080 process
00:57:29.740 the
00:57:30.820 rest
00:57:31.100 of
00:57:31.300 the
00:57:31.480 people
00:57:31.780 must
00:57:32.100 work
00:57:32.440 for
00:57:32.660 them
00:57:32.940 since
00:57:36.240 he wrote
00:57:37.400 that
00:57:37.720 book
00:57:38.420 people
00:57:39.340 became
00:57:39.900 aware
00:57:40.420 that you
00:57:40.960 have
00:57:41.860 two
00:57:42.220 types
00:57:42.880 of
00:57:43.520 governments
00:57:44.080 in the
00:57:44.600 world
00:57:44.960 the
00:57:45.920 one
00:57:46.280 is
00:57:46.700 where
00:57:47.120 the
00:57:47.640 economy
00:57:48.200 rules
00:57:49.220 politics
00:57:50.080 and
00:57:51.100 the
00:57:51.280 other
00:57:51.540 one
00:57:51.860 is
00:57:52.160 where
00:57:52.420 politics
00:57:53.200 rules
00:57:54.160 the
00:57:54.420 economy
00:57:54.940 now
00:57:56.380 the
00:57:56.780 first
00:57:57.120 problem
00:57:57.600 of
00:57:57.840 capitalism
00:57:58.440 is
00:57:59.220 it's
00:58:00.080 a
00:58:00.300 system
00:58:01.040 where
00:58:01.780 the
00:58:01.980 economy
00:58:02.520 rules
00:58:03.300 politics
00:58:04.020 in
00:58:04.820 other
00:58:05.140 words
00:58:05.520 if
00:58:06.040 if
00:58:06.680 they
00:58:06.920 decide
00:58:07.660 let's
00:58:10.040 say
00:58:10.340 for
00:58:11.040 instance
00:58:11.680 that
00:58:12.940 it is
00:58:13.500 economic
00:58:14.400 more
00:58:15.120 it
00:58:16.360 makes
00:58:16.860 economic
00:58:17.380 more
00:58:17.800 sense
00:58:18.260 to
00:58:18.680 pump
00:58:19.040 all
00:58:19.480 all
00:58:19.880 your
00:58:20.140 sewage
00:58:20.740 in
00:58:21.380 a
00:58:21.540 river
00:58:21.880 then
00:58:22.840 you
00:58:23.000 are
00:58:23.180 allowed
00:58:23.540 to
00:58:23.780 do
00:58:24.020 it
00:58:24.280 in
00:58:25.260 a
00:58:25.440 system
00:58:25.820 where
00:58:26.200 politics
00:58:27.000 is
00:58:27.300 dominant
00:58:27.780 they
00:58:28.400 will
00:58:28.580 say
00:58:28.840 no
00:58:29.160 we
00:58:29.820 must
00:58:30.440 not
00:58:30.800 do
00:58:31.060 it
00:58:31.340 because
00:58:32.580 our
00:58:33.300 environment
00:58:34.060 is
00:58:34.500 important
00:58:35.080 to
00:58:35.440 us
00:58:35.800 so
00:58:37.020 that's
00:58:37.380 the
00:58:37.540 first
00:58:37.880 thing
00:58:38.140 one
00:58:38.400 should
00:58:38.640 understand
00:58:39.340 and
00:58:39.600 that
00:58:39.840 is
00:58:40.160 a
00:58:41.500 system
00:58:42.120 where
00:58:43.380 the
00:58:44.160 economy
00:58:44.640 rules
00:58:45.180 politics
00:58:46.160 is a
00:58:47.020 danger
00:58:47.380 in
00:58:47.680 itself
00:58:48.180 and
00:58:50.280 then
00:58:50.760 one
00:58:55.100 one
00:58:55.120 can
00:58:55.360 mention
00:58:55.760 a
00:58:56.020 lot
00:58:56.180 of
00:58:56.360 other
00:58:56.660 problems
00:58:57.420 with
00:58:58.380 capitalism
00:58:59.360 let
00:59:04.400 me
00:59:04.580 just
00:59:05.140 the
00:59:05.500 one
00:59:16.780 of
00:59:17.040 the
00:59:17.280 problems
00:59:18.720 of
00:59:19.960 capitalism
00:59:20.700 a further
00:59:22.000 problem
00:59:22.500 of capitalism
00:59:23.420 is
00:59:23.960 that it
00:59:25.440 rejects
00:59:26.220 any
00:59:26.580 any view
00:59:27.600 of society
00:59:28.560 as
00:59:29.960 a
00:59:30.360 organism
00:59:31.040 the
00:59:32.640 Afrikaner
00:59:33.340 fall
00:59:33.540 can be
00:59:34.040 seen
00:59:34.300 as an
00:59:34.720 organism
00:59:35.360 of a
00:59:35.920 group
00:59:36.120 of
00:59:36.380 people
00:59:36.820 that
00:59:38.140 is
00:59:38.460 one
00:59:38.760 of
00:59:38.960 mind
00:59:39.500 one
00:59:39.980 of
00:59:40.300 will
00:59:40.800 and
00:59:42.480 capitalism
00:59:44.400 can't
00:59:46.920 flourish
00:59:47.380 in such
00:59:48.120 a
00:59:48.400 environment
00:59:49.260 capitalism
00:59:50.760 is based
00:59:51.500 on the
00:59:51.940 idea
00:59:52.500 that
00:59:52.780 every
00:59:53.240 human
00:59:53.700 being
00:59:54.200 is
00:59:54.840 an
00:59:55.040 atomistic
00:59:55.960 human
00:59:56.360 being
00:59:56.780 he's
00:59:57.340 on his
00:59:57.720 own
00:59:58.040 and
00:59:58.380 the
00:59:58.600 only
00:59:58.940 sense
00:59:59.580 that
01:00:00.900 exists
01:00:02.080 for
01:00:02.460 him
01:00:02.720 is
01:00:02.940 to
01:00:03.100 try
01:00:03.340 and
01:00:03.500 make
01:00:03.780 money
01:00:04.180 so
01:00:05.360 capitalism
01:00:06.160 destroys
01:00:07.160 the
01:00:07.420 bands
01:00:07.880 the
01:00:09.020 band
01:00:10.380 that
01:00:10.700 keeps
01:00:11.120 a
01:00:11.300 community
01:00:11.820 together
01:00:12.380 so
01:00:14.000 that's
01:00:14.360 another
01:00:14.660 reason
01:00:15.000 why
01:00:15.320 we
01:00:15.680 should
01:00:15.920 be
01:00:17.100 critical
01:00:19.320 of
01:00:19.680 capitalism
01:00:20.380 it
01:00:21.720 further
01:00:22.200 promotes
01:00:23.900 the
01:00:24.160 idea
01:00:24.520 that
01:00:24.780 there
01:00:24.980 is
01:00:25.140 a
01:00:25.360 class
01:00:25.740 struggle
01:00:26.180 going
01:00:26.560 on
01:00:26.900 you
01:00:27.960 have
01:00:28.160 the
01:00:28.380 capitalists
01:00:29.320 they
01:00:30.000 are
01:00:30.300 the
01:00:30.640 creative
01:00:31.340 element
01:00:31.960 and
01:00:32.760 the
01:00:32.940 rest
01:00:33.220 of
01:00:33.420 society
01:00:34.100 is
01:00:34.840 laborers
01:00:35.560 they
01:00:35.760 must
01:00:36.060 work
01:00:36.520 and
01:00:37.620 they
01:00:37.860 have
01:00:38.140 basically
01:00:38.700 no
01:00:39.060 say
01:00:39.400 in
01:00:39.640 what's
01:00:39.960 going
01:00:40.260 on
01:00:40.660 so
01:00:41.880 the
01:00:42.740 capitalistic
01:00:43.860 element
01:00:44.480 is
01:00:47.180 turned
01:00:48.460 against
01:00:49.060 the
01:00:49.320 laborers
01:00:50.000 and
01:00:52.920 another
01:00:53.260 problem
01:00:53.740 of
01:00:54.000 capitalism
01:00:54.660 is
01:00:55.180 it is
01:00:55.660 based
01:00:56.020 on
01:00:56.420 the
01:00:57.300 idea
01:00:57.780 of
01:00:58.020 globalism
01:00:58.940 in
01:01:00.380 other
01:01:00.700 words
01:01:01.100 everybody
01:01:01.900 in
01:01:02.360 the
01:01:02.520 world
01:01:02.800 should
01:01:03.140 work
01:01:03.460 together
01:01:04.020 and
01:01:04.840 exchange
01:01:06.720 products
01:01:07.900 and
01:01:08.740 nobody
01:01:10.100 is
01:01:10.360 allowed
01:01:10.760 to
01:01:11.640 introduce
01:01:12.660 tariffs
01:01:13.240 so
01:01:15.940 if
01:01:16.400 anybody
01:01:17.020 at
01:01:17.300 any
01:01:17.640 stage
01:01:18.160 of
01:01:18.460 any
01:01:18.760 country
01:01:19.320 would
01:01:19.620 like
01:01:19.920 to
01:01:20.140 promote
01:01:20.520 his
01:01:20.800 own
01:01:21.120 economy
01:01:21.800 then
01:01:23.360 they 0.99
01:01:24.540 shoot
01:01:24.880 that 1.00
01:01:25.100 person
01:01:25.520 down
01:01:25.960 nobody
01:01:27.140 is
01:01:27.460 allowed
01:01:27.800 to
01:01:28.080 promote
01:01:28.600 its
01:01:30.040 own
01:01:30.360 country's
01:01:31.020 economy
01:01:31.520 everybody
01:01:32.500 must
01:01:33.040 be
01:01:33.240 working
01:01:33.600 together
01:01:34.260 and
01:01:35.380 exchange
01:01:43.220 products
01:01:43.980 with
01:01:44.240 every
01:01:44.560 other
01:01:45.720 country
01:01:46.340 so
01:01:47.900 capitalism
01:01:48.880 in itself
01:01:49.880 although it
01:01:50.500 sounds
01:01:50.840 very nice
01:01:51.720 the idea
01:01:52.600 of freedom
01:01:53.340 and so on
01:01:54.160 is actually
01:01:55.420 a system
01:01:56.160 that
01:01:57.200 benefited
01:01:57.840 only
01:01:58.420 that benefits
01:01:59.400 only
01:01:59.860 a few
01:02:00.420 people
01:02:00.960 while the
01:02:02.240 majority
01:02:02.800 doesn't
01:02:03.720 get any
01:02:04.360 benefit
01:02:04.860 at all
01:02:05.440 and
01:02:06.580 it's
01:02:07.080 undermining
01:02:08.640 the idea
01:02:09.420 of a
01:02:10.000 nation
01:02:10.480 that
01:02:11.580 controls
01:02:12.300 a state
01:02:13.040 everybody
01:02:14.900 must be
01:02:15.740 equal
01:02:16.220 nobody
01:02:17.600 is allowed
01:02:18.380 to retain
01:02:19.040 its own
01:02:19.580 identity
01:02:20.340 so
01:02:21.920 capitalism
01:02:22.700 is really
01:02:23.840 one of
01:02:24.320 our
01:02:24.720 biggest
01:02:25.240 threats
01:02:25.700 at a
01:02:26.060 moment
01:02:26.440 so
01:02:28.500 what I'm
01:02:28.860 getting
01:02:29.140 from you
01:02:29.860 is that
01:02:30.720 it moves
01:02:32.800 the
01:02:33.340 attributes
01:02:33.900 of the
01:02:35.000 nation
01:02:35.660 if I'm
01:02:36.700 understanding
01:02:37.240 correctly
01:02:37.900 to a
01:02:39.260 rootless
01:02:39.780 pick
01:02:40.200 of people
01:02:41.080 that are
01:02:42.300 foreign
01:02:42.620 to the
01:02:43.040 nation
01:02:43.480 in order
01:02:44.400 to give
01:02:44.880 them
01:02:45.240 to present
01:02:46.400 the idea
01:02:47.300 that they
01:02:47.840 are not
01:02:48.260 a uniform
01:02:48.800 front
01:02:49.380 while they
01:02:50.460 actually act
01:02:51.460 as a
01:02:51.940 uniform
01:02:52.240 front
01:02:52.820 against
01:02:53.280 the
01:02:53.520 interests
01:02:54.060 of a
01:02:54.820 specific
01:02:55.220 group
01:02:55.660 that's
01:02:56.920 quite
01:02:57.160 correct
01:02:57.700 interesting
01:03:00.580 if we
01:03:01.260 have any
01:03:01.760 if you
01:03:02.080 guys have
01:03:02.420 any
01:03:02.660 questions
01:03:03.100 for dr
01:03:03.580 mark
01:03:03.860 please feel
01:03:04.900 free
01:03:05.340 you know
01:03:06.060 to put
01:03:07.400 up your
01:03:07.740 hand and
01:03:08.240 to ask
01:03:08.600 a question
01:03:09.020 right we've
01:03:09.660 got one
01:03:10.020 here from
01:03:10.420 external
01:03:10.880 extrapolations
01:03:11.900 you know
01:03:12.220 well thank
01:03:14.720 you johannes
01:03:15.260 and i just
01:03:15.960 for the sake
01:03:16.740 of brevity
01:03:17.160 earlier didn't
01:03:17.780 say hello to
01:03:18.340 you or
01:03:18.620 everybody else
01:03:19.140 properly so
01:03:19.820 i just want
01:03:20.840 to say it's
01:03:21.340 good to hear
01:03:21.720 you again
01:03:22.200 and to be
01:03:22.560 in a space
01:03:23.000 with you
01:03:23.300 again and
01:03:24.140 hello to
01:03:24.480 posty and
01:03:24.920 base maids 0.58
01:03:25.380 and thanks
01:03:25.820 thanks to
01:03:26.600 both of
01:03:26.880 them for
01:03:27.240 setting up
01:03:28.000 this space
01:03:28.480 too
01:03:28.740 i was not
01:03:31.640 familiar
01:03:31.940 with dr
01:03:33.200 de toy
01:03:33.540 before
01:03:34.120 i was
01:03:36.420 made aware
01:03:37.300 that this
01:03:37.740 space
01:03:38.040 was
01:03:38.500 arranged
01:03:40.360 by the
01:03:41.340 based
01:03:41.660 canadian
01:03:42.100 ladies 0.99
01:03:42.440 there
01:03:42.680 and so
01:03:44.360 i did
01:03:44.900 my best
01:03:45.400 to
01:03:46.000 research
01:03:47.760 mr
01:03:48.800 or dr
01:03:49.400 de toy
01:03:49.700 i
01:03:50.880 did find
01:03:52.800 eventually
01:03:53.680 after much
01:03:54.200 searching
01:03:54.580 some video
01:03:55.940 you know
01:03:57.640 which i've
01:03:57.980 linked
01:03:58.220 in the
01:03:59.000 bubble
01:03:59.340 space
01:03:59.680 which maybe
01:04:00.120 people can
01:04:00.540 watch
01:04:00.740 later
01:04:01.000 and bear
01:04:01.640 in mind
01:04:01.920 of course
01:04:02.300 it was
01:04:03.140 a presentation
01:04:03.800 on south
01:04:04.820 african
01:04:05.140 television
01:04:05.500 which was
01:04:06.100 created
01:04:06.500 and made
01:04:06.840 by his
01:04:07.200 enemies
01:04:07.440 one of
01:04:08.280 the things
01:04:08.700 and i'm
01:04:09.020 not going
01:04:09.380 to ask
01:04:09.740 anything
01:04:10.060 indelicate
01:04:12.000 or
01:04:12.280 impartnant 0.65
01:04:14.200 but one
01:04:15.100 of the
01:04:15.320 things i
01:04:15.680 did wonder
01:04:16.220 because
01:04:18.600 i think
01:04:19.940 it was
01:04:20.280 maybe
01:04:20.860 posty
01:04:21.280 maybe
01:04:21.460 it doesn't
01:04:22.140 really matter
01:04:22.420 but in
01:04:23.620 the thread
01:04:25.120 which
01:04:25.460 announced
01:04:27.280 that this
01:04:27.800 interview
01:04:28.400 was going
01:04:29.120 to be
01:04:29.280 taking
01:04:29.460 place
01:04:29.820 an article
01:04:31.680 was linked
01:04:32.160 detailing
01:04:33.300 aspects
01:04:34.560 of what
01:04:35.560 was mentioned
01:04:36.020 at the
01:04:36.300 beginning
01:04:36.540 here in
01:04:36.940 the introduction
01:04:37.400 was that
01:04:37.960 in the
01:04:39.220 early part
01:04:39.860 of the
01:04:40.560 2000s
01:04:41.740 or maybe
01:04:42.100 it was
01:04:42.320 1999
01:04:43.400 that he
01:04:44.860 was charged
01:04:45.460 with
01:04:45.860 terrorism
01:04:46.800 which was
01:04:47.180 subsequently
01:04:47.720 upgraded
01:04:48.780 to
01:04:49.300 treason
01:04:49.840 and
01:04:51.360 i'm
01:04:52.960 guessing
01:04:53.500 maybe
01:04:53.800 we've
01:04:54.060 avoided
01:04:54.440 delving
01:04:55.040 into that
01:04:55.440 and so
01:04:55.760 i don't
01:04:56.080 want to
01:04:56.340 press the
01:04:56.760 matter
01:04:56.980 we have
01:04:57.960 been
01:04:58.200 talking
01:04:58.720 in terms
01:04:59.380 of
01:04:59.660 fairly
01:05:02.640 ordinary
01:05:03.360 history
01:05:04.080 and
01:05:04.480 political
01:05:04.880 history
01:05:05.340 until
01:05:06.880 and i
01:05:07.200 thought
01:05:07.320 maybe
01:05:07.500 we're
01:05:07.700 avoiding
01:05:08.100 that
01:05:08.900 elephant
01:05:09.740 in the
01:05:10.280 room
01:05:10.460 with the
01:05:11.520 long
01:05:11.940 trunk
01:05:12.280 until
01:05:13.660 johannes
01:05:14.060 gave
01:05:14.280 them
01:05:14.440 their
01:05:14.680 due
01:05:15.080 credit
01:05:15.480 for
01:05:16.760 their
01:05:17.280 gradual
01:05:18.180 piecemeal
01:05:18.700 dismantling
01:05:19.260 of
01:05:19.660 nations
01:05:20.640 almost
01:05:21.920 really
01:05:22.460 before
01:05:22.860 they're
01:05:23.120 fully
01:05:23.480 born
01:05:23.800 it's
01:05:24.980 like
01:05:25.220 you could
01:05:25.500 say
01:05:25.740 an
01:05:25.940 analogy
01:05:26.240 to
01:05:28.220 abortion
01:05:29.060 or
01:05:30.000 maybe
01:05:31.240 smothering
01:05:32.120 an infant
01:05:32.440 while it's
01:05:32.800 in its
01:05:33.040 cot
01:05:33.340 they don't
01:05:34.460 want
01:05:34.680 competition
01:05:35.160 so let's
01:05:35.880 say with
01:05:36.480 capitalism
01:05:36.940 we think
01:05:38.160 that it's
01:05:38.420 synonymous
01:05:39.840 with free
01:05:40.320 and fair
01:05:40.720 and open
01:05:41.100 market
01:05:41.440 where everybody
01:05:41.880 is free
01:05:42.840 to come
01:05:43.320 to the
01:05:43.620 market
01:05:43.880 with their
01:05:44.440 either
01:05:45.000 ideas
01:05:45.500 or goods
01:05:46.040 or whatever
01:05:46.640 and may
01:05:47.340 the best
01:05:47.620 man win
01:05:47.960 but we
01:05:48.480 understand
01:05:48.800 now that
01:05:49.420 it's not
01:05:49.720 about
01:05:49.920 meritocracy
01:05:50.480 i did
01:05:51.180 i was
01:05:51.780 once
01:05:52.020 an IU
01:05:52.320 child
01:05:52.620 i thought
01:05:52.920 we were
01:05:53.160 in a
01:05:53.520 meritocracy
01:05:54.060 but clearly
01:05:55.100 we aren't
01:05:55.700 they allow
01:05:57.100 us to
01:05:57.740 sort of
01:05:58.580 dwell in
01:05:59.200 our
01:06:00.300 naivete
01:06:01.560 until such
01:06:02.480 time as
01:06:02.860 maybe we
01:06:03.200 become a
01:06:03.560 problem
01:06:03.800 and then
01:06:04.120 we're
01:06:04.380 snuffed
01:06:05.480 out if
01:06:05.960 they can
01:06:06.420 they don't
01:06:06.880 they like
01:06:07.560 to say
01:06:08.240 that we
01:06:08.600 should all
01:06:08.920 play fair
01:06:09.340 but of
01:06:09.640 course
01:06:09.860 anytime
01:06:11.080 we start
01:06:11.880 noticing
01:06:12.280 that the
01:06:12.620 rules
01:06:12.820 change
01:06:13.340 anytime
01:06:13.640 we might
01:06:13.960 even
01:06:14.140 start
01:06:14.460 not
01:06:15.960 not
01:06:16.200 continuously
01:06:16.860 losing
01:06:17.380 at the
01:06:17.860 game
01:06:18.060 that they
01:06:18.340 set up
01:06:18.780 then they
01:06:19.540 just
01:06:19.720 change
01:06:20.020 the
01:06:20.180 rules
01:06:20.400 so
01:06:21.120 i did
01:06:22.120 wonder
01:06:22.340 whether
01:06:22.540 we
01:06:22.940 are
01:06:23.080 going
01:06:23.340 to
01:06:23.500 talk
01:06:23.780 about
01:06:24.400 dr
01:06:25.440 detoy's
01:06:26.020 personal
01:06:26.940 history
01:06:27.400 and examine
01:06:28.720 any of
01:06:29.040 that
01:06:29.220 and if
01:06:29.680 not
01:06:30.000 then that's
01:06:31.240 fine
01:06:31.580 but i
01:06:32.580 would
01:06:32.860 very much
01:06:34.020 like to
01:06:34.340 get to
01:06:34.640 know
01:06:34.880 the man
01:06:35.480 a bit
01:06:35.700 better
01:06:36.000 from his
01:06:36.460 own words
01:06:37.040 unless it's
01:06:37.700 too painful
01:06:38.200 or he just
01:06:38.640 wants to
01:06:38.940 avoid it
01:06:39.320 so that's
01:06:40.000 the question
01:06:40.460 i'd like to
01:06:40.860 ask first
01:06:41.300 of all
01:06:41.620 can we
01:06:42.520 talk about
01:06:43.120 personal
01:06:43.860 matters
01:06:44.220 and the
01:06:44.700 personal
01:06:44.900 history
01:06:45.180 of dr
01:06:45.600 detoy
01:06:45.940 my
01:06:53.180 friend
01:06:53.600 i was
01:06:55.040 18
01:06:55.520 years
01:06:56.000 three
01:06:56.260 months
01:06:56.600 in prison
01:06:57.240 and i
01:06:59.260 am
01:06:59.960 supposed
01:07:00.520 to
01:07:00.960 i was
01:07:02.180 actually
01:07:02.600 supposed
01:07:03.020 to stay
01:07:03.740 about
01:07:04.260 another
01:07:05.400 20
01:07:05.880 years
01:07:06.300 in prison
01:07:06.920 i got
01:07:08.700 released
01:07:09.340 or rather
01:07:10.580 let me
01:07:11.040 let me
01:07:11.680 break up
01:07:12.200 that 18
01:07:12.780 years
01:07:13.220 i was
01:07:14.420 11
01:07:14.900 years
01:07:15.580 busy
01:07:17.080 with a
01:07:17.540 court
01:07:17.840 case
01:07:18.260 and
01:07:19.620 then
01:07:20.380 less
01:07:23.960 than 11
01:07:24.600 years
01:07:24.980 and i
01:07:25.420 was
01:07:25.680 8
01:07:26.100 years
01:07:26.640 doing
01:07:29.200 sentence
01:07:30.040 but i
01:07:31.260 was
01:07:31.480 actually
01:07:31.880 supposed
01:07:32.440 to do
01:07:32.880 another
01:07:33.240 20
01:07:33.740 years
01:07:34.260 so i
01:07:35.340 got
01:07:35.640 released
01:07:36.360 about
01:07:37.480 3 or
01:07:37.940 4 years
01:07:38.560 ago
01:07:38.940 on
01:07:40.040 one
01:07:40.320 of my
01:07:41.060 conditions
01:07:41.680 is that
01:07:42.560 i'm
01:07:42.900 actually
01:07:43.300 not
01:07:43.620 allowed
01:07:44.040 to
01:07:44.300 talk
01:07:44.740 about
01:07:45.840 the
01:07:46.220 court
01:07:46.540 case
01:07:47.040 or
01:07:48.060 what i
01:07:48.560 wanted
01:07:48.940 to do
01:07:49.400 in
01:07:49.620 south
01:07:49.920 africa
01:07:50.520 or how
01:07:51.860 the police
01:07:52.480 treated
01:07:52.900 me
01:07:53.260 or how
01:07:53.860 the
01:07:54.080 prison
01:07:54.900 authorities
01:07:55.620 treated
01:07:56.040 me
01:07:56.480 so i'm
01:07:58.560 actually
01:07:59.100 not
01:08:00.440 allowed
01:08:01.260 to
01:08:01.540 discuss
01:08:02.160 that
01:08:02.440 with
01:08:02.680 you
01:08:02.920 if i
01:08:03.340 discuss
01:08:03.800 that
01:08:04.180 then i'm
01:08:05.460 breaching
01:08:05.880 my
01:08:06.280 parole
01:08:06.740 conditions
01:08:09.060 and
01:08:09.760 if you
01:08:11.760 know the
01:08:12.440 situation
01:08:13.020 here
01:08:13.460 the chances
01:08:14.680 that they
01:08:15.200 will come
01:08:15.740 and arrest
01:08:17.440 me again
01:08:18.040 is quite
01:08:18.720 good so
01:08:19.960 i would
01:08:20.340 rather
01:08:20.780 not say
01:08:22.040 anything
01:08:22.560 and by
01:08:24.380 doing that
01:08:25.120 they can't
01:08:26.120 do anything
01:08:27.300 to me
01:08:27.960 yes i
01:08:31.180 understand and
01:08:31.720 i suspect it
01:08:32.360 as such
01:08:32.820 and that's
01:08:33.620 why i
01:08:33.820 wanted to
01:08:34.120 ask if it
01:08:34.680 was something
01:08:35.060 that could 0.68
01:08:35.600 be on the
01:08:35.940 table for
01:08:36.240 discussion
01:08:36.620 and now i
01:08:37.120 understand and
01:08:38.180 i think
01:08:38.780 that that's
01:08:39.260 pretty clear
01:08:39.960 so thank
01:08:41.240 you very
01:08:41.500 much for
01:08:41.860 that answer
01:08:42.360 dr
01:08:43.200 detoy
01:08:43.520 yeah and
01:08:47.760 just again
01:08:48.540 thank you very
01:08:49.620 much for
01:08:50.100 joining us
01:08:50.820 dr
01:08:51.260 mike detoy
01:08:51.800 it is like
01:08:52.480 i said a
01:08:52.880 great honor
01:08:53.380 speaking with
01:08:54.560 you and
01:08:55.220 i'm sure
01:08:55.780 that the
01:08:56.320 american
01:08:56.680 audience
01:08:57.400 also and
01:08:58.560 and wherever
01:08:59.060 you might
01:08:59.520 find yourself
01:09:00.180 in which
01:09:00.900 whatever white
01:09:01.980 country also
01:09:03.080 appreciates it
01:09:04.300 um in the
01:09:06.080 same way
01:09:07.100 uh postie
01:09:08.140 um you are
01:09:09.500 welcome to
01:09:09.980 ask your
01:09:10.320 question
01:09:10.700 hello dr
01:09:12.540 detoy um
01:09:13.560 and please
01:09:14.200 i'm trying to
01:09:14.680 pronounce it
01:09:15.040 correct so
01:09:15.400 you'll have
01:09:15.700 to forgive
01:09:16.020 me i don't
01:09:16.460 do it on
01:09:16.800 purpose but
01:09:17.320 i really like
01:09:18.600 what you were
01:09:18.900 just saying
01:09:19.340 about the
01:09:19.720 whole capitalism
01:09:20.480 and this
01:09:20.880 is kind
01:09:21.220 of in
01:09:21.700 my i
01:09:22.640 don't want
01:09:22.840 to say
01:09:22.920 it's in
01:09:23.060 my wheel
01:09:23.360 house but
01:09:23.720 i'm really
01:09:24.020 interested
01:09:24.420 in it and
01:09:24.960 i'm curious
01:09:26.120 as to have
01:09:27.140 you ever
01:09:27.640 given any
01:09:28.420 thought to
01:09:28.940 what kind
01:09:29.420 of system
01:09:30.040 would work
01:09:31.200 like a
01:09:31.660 political
01:09:31.940 social system
01:09:32.880 would work
01:09:33.300 i personally
01:09:34.120 believe in
01:09:34.600 one thing
01:09:35.020 like i
01:09:35.480 believe that
01:09:35.980 the national
01:09:36.540 socialist system
01:09:37.960 maybe with a
01:09:38.620 little bit of
01:09:39.020 tweaks given
01:09:39.640 the you know
01:09:40.420 obviously the
01:09:40.980 times are
01:09:41.600 different but
01:09:43.140 have you ever
01:09:43.600 given any
01:09:44.000 thought to
01:09:44.360 what you
01:09:44.700 think would
01:09:45.140 work outside
01:09:46.080 of capitalism
01:09:46.920 uh ma'am
01:09:51.520 let me start
01:09:53.360 off by saying
01:09:54.240 that to
01:09:56.280 some extent
01:09:56.980 i was glad
01:09:57.860 to be
01:09:58.260 incarcerated
01:09:59.360 because that
01:10:01.160 allowed me
01:10:02.100 to complete
01:10:04.200 my doctorate
01:10:05.140 in philosophy
01:10:05.940 which is
01:10:07.720 on a new
01:10:08.460 political
01:10:09.240 economy
01:10:09.940 now perhaps
01:10:12.000 i'm going
01:10:12.560 to say
01:10:12.960 something now
01:10:13.700 that that
01:10:14.340 you won't
01:10:15.060 feel so
01:10:16.960 quite good
01:10:18.120 about but
01:10:18.920 it's important
01:10:19.720 to say
01:10:20.240 that germany
01:10:21.040 never
01:10:22.140 developed
01:10:22.900 an alternative
01:10:24.120 economy
01:10:25.680 the country
01:10:27.520 in the world
01:10:28.180 that really
01:10:28.800 developed
01:10:29.560 an alternative
01:10:30.980 economy
01:10:31.840 was italy
01:10:33.680 under
01:10:34.080 mussolini
01:10:34.780 they called
01:10:36.820 that system
01:10:37.600 corporatism
01:10:38.720 and that's
01:10:39.540 what my
01:10:40.000 doctorate
01:10:40.560 was all
01:10:41.100 about
01:10:41.560 now what
01:10:43.240 i'm going
01:10:43.780 to say
01:10:44.440 is that
01:10:45.160 corporatism
01:10:47.640 is something
01:10:49.140 between
01:10:50.040 capitalism
01:10:51.240 and
01:10:52.520 socialism
01:10:53.460 but it
01:10:54.660 also have
01:10:55.360 some
01:10:55.780 unique
01:10:56.720 features
01:10:57.460 now
01:10:59.120 corporatism
01:11:01.200 tries to
01:11:02.220 maintain
01:11:03.360 the positives
01:11:06.140 of capitalism
01:11:07.580 first
01:11:09.200 to
01:11:10.360 keep
01:11:12.300 private
01:11:12.900 property
01:11:13.540 and
01:11:14.900 second
01:11:15.320 to
01:11:15.680 keep
01:11:16.040 private
01:11:17.480 management
01:11:18.100 of
01:11:18.520 businesses
01:11:19.140 industries
01:11:20.100 and so
01:11:20.840 on
01:11:21.020 but
01:11:22.120 corporatism
01:11:23.040 wants to
01:11:23.660 reject
01:11:24.220 the negative
01:11:25.080 aspects
01:11:25.860 of capitalism
01:11:26.880 the first
01:11:28.300 being
01:11:28.640 market-based
01:11:30.080 salaries
01:11:31.020 prices
01:11:32.160 jobs
01:11:32.800 and production
01:11:33.740 levels
01:11:34.400 second
01:11:35.780 class
01:11:36.940 division
01:11:37.440 and class
01:11:38.220 struggle
01:11:38.740 third
01:11:39.980 the atomistic
01:11:41.300 view of
01:11:41.940 man
01:11:42.320 of free
01:11:44.860 market
01:11:45.320 system
01:11:45.800 and free
01:11:46.880 market
01:11:47.640 competition
01:11:48.360 and then
01:11:48.920 lastly
01:11:49.460 globalization
01:11:51.360 now
01:11:53.600 corporatism
01:11:55.040 retain
01:11:56.740 the positives
01:11:58.140 of socialism
01:11:59.260 first
01:12:00.960 holistic
01:12:01.800 view of
01:12:02.640 community
01:12:03.340 second
01:12:04.880 to look
01:12:06.020 after the
01:12:06.940 well-being
01:12:08.900 of the community
01:12:10.140 third
01:12:11.780 the state
01:12:12.580 gives
01:12:13.000 economic
01:12:13.940 lead
01:12:17.620 to
01:12:19.520 maintain
01:12:22.180 certain
01:12:22.800 certain
01:12:22.820 collective
01:12:23.540 areas
01:12:30.620 and
01:12:31.960 fourth
01:12:32.420 the
01:12:34.140 government
01:12:34.820 provides
01:12:38.000 certain
01:12:38.780 material
01:12:39.600 goods
01:12:40.100 but
01:12:41.300 corporatism
01:12:42.440 wants to
01:12:43.000 reject the
01:12:43.760 negatives
01:12:44.360 of socialism
01:12:45.560 the first
01:12:46.480 being
01:12:46.800 nationalization
01:12:48.100 the second
01:12:50.100 the whole
01:12:50.500 idea of
01:12:51.260 that there
01:12:51.740 must be
01:12:52.320 a class
01:12:52.900 struggle
01:12:53.580 against
01:12:54.080 capitalists
01:12:55.100 and the
01:12:56.700 third
01:12:57.100 that they
01:12:59.340 are rejecting
01:13:00.000 is that
01:13:00.740 the government
01:13:01.400 must own
01:13:02.200 the means
01:13:03.000 of production
01:13:03.960 now what
01:13:05.620 is the
01:13:06.200 unique features
01:13:07.800 of
01:13:08.080 corporatism
01:13:08.940 the first
01:13:10.820 is that
01:13:11.400 the economy
01:13:12.240 is subject
01:13:13.880 to
01:13:14.580 politics
01:13:15.360 the state
01:13:16.900 directs
01:13:17.620 and control
01:13:18.420 the private
01:13:19.140 business
01:13:19.740 sphere
01:13:20.180 exactly
01:13:22.440 exactly
01:13:22.460 what I've
01:13:23.060 mentioned
01:13:23.920 just now
01:13:24.780 when I
01:13:25.400 refer to
01:13:26.180 Julius
01:13:26.720 Evola
01:13:27.260 a second
01:13:29.460 unique
01:13:29.920 feature
01:13:30.380 is an
01:13:31.220 economic
01:13:31.860 parliament
01:13:32.540 or a
01:13:34.160 lower
01:13:34.400 house
01:13:34.900 and in
01:13:36.140 this case
01:13:36.820 it can
01:13:38.200 be known
01:13:38.760 as the
01:13:39.400 council
01:13:39.840 of
01:13:40.220 guilds
01:13:41.340 the
01:13:43.180 third
01:13:43.700 unique
01:13:44.120 feature
01:13:44.800 is that
01:13:46.740 economic
01:13:47.420 representation
01:13:48.640 occurs
01:13:49.680 along
01:13:50.200 functional
01:13:51.400 lines
01:13:52.000 or
01:13:52.820 professions
01:13:53.540 so
01:13:55.840 once
01:13:56.240 identity
01:13:57.020 is determined
01:13:57.940 by profession
01:13:58.960 not by
01:14:00.480 wealth
01:14:01.000 or class
01:14:02.060 each
01:14:03.960 economic
01:14:04.600 sector
01:14:05.120 is governed
01:14:05.880 by its
01:14:06.480 own
01:14:06.740 guild
01:14:07.220 subject
01:14:08.280 to final
01:14:09.020 approval
01:14:09.700 by say
01:14:10.980 a council
01:14:11.620 of merit
01:14:12.360 so
01:14:13.060 each
01:14:13.620 economic
01:14:14.280 sector
01:14:14.880 governs
01:14:16.200 itself
01:14:16.800 they decide
01:14:18.200 what you
01:14:18.640 do
01:14:18.900 in
01:14:19.120 what should
01:14:19.900 happen
01:14:20.240 in their
01:14:20.780 sector
01:14:21.280 and then
01:14:22.960 another
01:14:24.180 feature
01:14:24.740 of
01:14:25.180 corporatism
01:14:26.560 is that
01:14:27.200 there is
01:14:27.660 mechanisms
01:14:28.540 for dealing
01:14:30.060 with economic
01:14:30.880 conflict
01:14:31.640 social
01:14:33.360 harmony
01:14:33.880 is promoted
01:14:34.720 capital
01:14:36.340 and
01:14:36.800 labor
01:14:37.320 have
01:14:38.000 common
01:14:38.480 rights
01:14:38.900 and
01:14:39.180 obligations
01:14:39.940 so
01:14:40.900 it's
01:14:41.100 not
01:14:41.320 like
01:14:41.620 in
01:14:41.840 capitalism
01:14:42.560 where
01:14:43.000 the
01:14:43.200 capitalists
01:14:44.100 decide
01:14:44.780 and
01:14:46.100 then
01:14:46.440 there's
01:14:47.400 agreements
01:14:48.000 and
01:14:48.440 cooperation
01:14:49.280 between
01:14:50.480 labor
01:14:50.960 unions
01:14:51.620 and
01:14:52.060 employer
01:14:52.620 organizations
01:14:53.560 we
01:14:55.140 have
01:14:55.400 centralized
01:14:56.160 wage
01:14:57.060 negotiations
01:14:58.000 so
01:14:59.060 let's
01:14:59.560 say
01:14:59.820 all
01:15:00.920 farm
01:15:01.320 workers
01:15:01.860 or
01:15:03.080 let's
01:15:03.420 make
01:15:03.700 it
01:15:03.900 all
01:15:04.240 industrial
01:15:04.900 workers
01:15:05.680 talk
01:15:08.140 to the
01:15:08.520 government
01:15:08.960 and
01:15:09.780 the
01:15:10.560 employers
01:15:12.480 at the
01:15:12.900 same
01:15:13.160 time
01:15:13.660 so
01:15:14.080 that
01:15:14.680 one
01:15:16.440 conclusion
01:15:19.380 can be
01:15:20.020 reached
01:15:20.520 then you
01:15:21.280 have
01:15:21.480 labor
01:15:21.900 courts
01:15:22.460 and
01:15:23.700 I
01:15:25.140 must
01:15:25.760 also
01:15:26.120 mention
01:15:26.640 that
01:15:27.140 at
01:15:27.920 the
01:15:28.100 moment
01:15:28.680 Austria
01:15:30.240 have
01:15:31.720 a
01:15:32.140 100%
01:15:33.480 corporatist
01:15:34.440 economy
01:15:35.180 they are
01:15:36.080 the only
01:15:36.440 country in
01:15:37.120 the world
01:15:37.540 that really
01:15:38.320 broke
01:15:38.960 of
01:15:39.280 capitalism
01:15:40.560 and develop
01:15:41.300 their own
01:15:41.820 economy
01:15:42.340 there's a
01:15:43.220 lot of
01:15:43.540 other
01:15:43.860 countries
01:15:44.620 that are
01:15:45.300 also
01:15:45.960 mostly
01:15:48.260 corporatist
01:15:49.460 for instance
01:15:51.160 Sweden
01:15:52.000 Denmark
01:15:53.140 Norway
01:15:53.880 Iceland
01:15:55.420 Switzerland
01:15:57.060 but this
01:16:02.760 all
01:16:03.120 started
01:16:03.900 with
01:16:05.380 Mussolini
01:16:06.180 in
01:16:06.560 Italy
01:16:07.020 so I
01:16:08.600 think
01:16:08.860 that's
01:16:09.280 one of
01:16:09.680 the main
01:16:10.200 reasons
01:16:10.700 why
01:16:11.120 for instance
01:16:12.460 Italy
01:16:12.960 had to be 0.99
01:16:13.580 destroyed
01:16:14.080 in World
01:16:14.640 War
01:16:14.980 II
01:16:15.660 sorry
01:16:23.520 thanks for
01:16:23.960 that
01:16:24.100 explanation
01:16:24.520 I
01:16:24.760 actually
01:16:24.980 didn't
01:16:25.220 know
01:16:25.380 that
01:16:25.600 that's
01:16:26.120 very
01:16:26.420 very
01:16:26.660 interesting
01:16:27.140 and I
01:16:28.000 guess
01:16:28.140 I
01:16:28.300 don't
01:16:28.580 know
01:16:28.760 if
01:16:28.940 not
01:16:29.240 to
01:16:29.420 harp
01:16:30.180 on
01:16:30.320 this
01:16:30.440 for
01:16:30.560 too
01:16:30.680 long
01:16:30.800 because
01:16:30.920 I
01:16:30.980 know
01:16:31.160 everybody
01:16:31.600 else
01:16:31.800 has
01:16:31.960 other
01:16:32.240 people
01:16:32.440 have
01:16:32.560 questions
01:16:32.900 but
01:16:33.160 was
01:16:34.060 Italy
01:16:34.340 as
01:16:34.660 strict
01:16:35.260 when
01:16:35.880 with
01:16:36.240 their
01:16:36.420 corporatism
01:16:37.120 on
01:16:38.060 race
01:16:38.580 like
01:16:38.900 as
01:16:39.020 far
01:16:39.180 as
01:16:39.300 not
01:16:39.580 allowing
01:16:40.020 people
01:16:40.300 to
01:16:40.460 come
01:16:40.660 in
01:16:40.820 and
01:16:40.940 work
01:16:41.140 as
01:16:41.300 foreigners
01:16:41.620 no
01:16:43.600 no
01:16:44.340 it
01:16:44.640 was
01:16:44.940 a
01:16:45.160 pure
01:16:45.400 economic
01:16:45.960 system
01:16:46.420 it
01:16:46.880 had
01:16:47.100 nothing
01:16:47.440 to
01:16:47.680 do
01:16:47.880 with
01:16:48.080 race
01:16:48.480 but
01:16:49.740 if
01:16:51.080 you
01:16:51.480 look
01:16:51.780 at
01:16:52.140 Germany
01:16:52.960 under
01:16:53.800 Hitler 0.78
01:16:54.380 there
01:16:55.900 was
01:16:56.180 no
01:16:56.440 unique
01:16:56.960 feature
01:16:57.560 the
01:16:59.500 German
01:17:00.080 people
01:17:00.720 I
01:17:01.420 mean
01:17:01.640 the
01:17:01.840 German
01:17:02.160 people
01:17:02.720 were
01:17:03.180 the
01:17:04.800 only
01:17:05.280 group
01:17:07.580 in
01:17:07.840 Germany
01:17:08.400 okay
01:17:10.780 there
01:17:11.080 were Jews
01:17:11.720 they
01:17:12.100 drove
01:17:13.740 most
01:17:14.780 of
01:17:15.000 the
01:17:15.160 time
01:17:15.400 they
01:17:15.600 drove
01:17:15.900 those
01:17:16.220 people
01:17:16.600 out
01:17:16.940 but
01:17:17.720 the
01:17:17.900 German
01:17:18.240 economy
01:17:18.840 was
01:17:19.300 German
01:17:19.860 there
01:17:20.760 it
01:17:21.080 was
01:17:21.460 it
01:17:21.720 was
01:17:22.080 a
01:17:22.380 race
01:17:22.940 based
01:17:23.340 economy
01:17:24.000 there
01:17:24.900 were
01:17:25.160 some
01:17:25.660 some
01:17:27.300 unique
01:17:27.780 features
01:17:28.400 but
01:17:29.380 it
01:17:29.560 was
01:17:29.860 not
01:17:30.120 really
01:17:30.420 something
01:17:30.880 different
01:17:31.760 from
01:17:32.200 capitalism
01:17:32.980 it
01:17:33.760 was
01:17:34.100 German
01:17:34.660 capitalism
01:17:35.500 it
01:17:36.100 was
01:17:36.340 not
01:17:36.560 something
01:17:37.020 else
01:17:37.360 like
01:17:37.680 corporatism
01:17:38.520 or
01:17:38.820 socialism
01:17:39.520 or
01:17:40.220 communism
01:17:40.860 so it
01:17:42.160 was
01:17:42.400 just
01:17:42.740 the
01:17:43.040 German
01:17:44.140 capitalism
01:17:45.040 thanks
01:17:49.080 again
01:17:49.360 so I
01:17:49.660 guess
01:17:49.800 yeah
01:17:49.960 it
01:17:50.040 would
01:17:50.120 be
01:17:50.240 fair
01:17:50.400 to
01:17:50.540 say
01:17:50.720 it
01:17:50.860 was
01:17:51.040 kind
01:17:51.300 of
01:17:51.920 just
01:17:53.220 German
01:17:53.540 capitalism
01:17:53.920 nationalist
01:17:54.400 capitalism
01:17:55.000 I guess
01:17:55.320 you could say
01:17:55.560 or national
01:17:56.000 capitalism
01:17:56.740 if you want
01:17:57.180 to kind
01:17:57.420 of put
01:17:57.600 it
01:17:57.680 that
01:17:57.860 way
01:17:58.340 yes
01:17:59.040 yes
01:17:59.640 yes
01:17:59.880 yes
01:18:00.940 I
01:18:06.040 don't
01:18:06.420 know
01:18:06.580 I
01:18:07.180 think
01:18:07.680 I
01:18:07.720 saw
01:18:07.940 Frank's
01:18:08.480 yeah
01:18:08.820 yeah
01:18:09.140 I
01:18:09.540 saw
01:18:09.700 Frank's
01:18:10.040 hand
01:18:10.280 yeah
01:18:10.560 go ahead
01:18:10.920 Frank
01:18:11.140 yeah
01:18:13.460 Mike
01:18:13.760 that was
01:18:14.300 that was
01:18:15.020 fascinating
01:18:15.640 I
01:18:15.940 could actually
01:18:17.200 listen to
01:18:17.820 those
01:18:18.160 explanations
01:18:18.760 for hours
01:18:19.580 but
01:18:19.920 just as
01:18:21.200 a personal
01:18:21.780 aside
01:18:22.420 your
01:18:24.680 your
01:18:25.920 status
01:18:26.720 you know
01:18:27.760 your parole
01:18:28.520 status
01:18:29.060 I'm
01:18:29.400 very
01:18:29.780 very
01:18:30.020 sympathetic
01:18:30.500 with that
01:18:31.260 and just
01:18:32.580 in my
01:18:33.000 case
01:18:33.460 because this
01:18:34.960 is kind
01:18:35.360 of a
01:18:35.720 personal
01:18:36.820 assessment
01:18:38.000 of your
01:18:38.580 own
01:18:38.960 it was
01:18:40.300 illegal
01:18:40.620 for me
01:18:41.160 to use
01:18:41.760 smartphones
01:18:42.420 and computers
01:18:43.260 for 36
01:18:44.380 years
01:18:44.960 this is
01:18:46.040 the
01:18:46.380 this is
01:18:46.840 the length
01:18:47.380 to which
01:18:48.060 the system
01:18:49.320 who is
01:18:49.740 extremely
01:18:50.420 unsettled
01:18:52.840 by just
01:18:53.600 common sense
01:18:54.620 narratives
01:18:56.100 like yourself
01:18:56.980 right
01:18:57.280 so I
01:18:57.760 really
01:18:58.200 appreciate
01:18:58.640 that
01:18:59.060 and the
01:18:59.680 point
01:19:00.000 I want
01:19:00.280 to drive
01:19:00.660 home
01:19:01.060 is that
01:19:01.940 not
01:19:02.300 everything
01:19:02.780 lasts
01:19:03.380 forever
01:19:03.920 so you
01:19:05.520 just keep
01:19:06.080 doing the
01:19:06.620 work that
01:19:07.000 you're doing
01:19:07.620 because obviously
01:19:08.640 your
01:19:09.240 your mind
01:19:09.960 and your
01:19:10.340 world
01:19:10.720 experience
01:19:11.280 is very
01:19:12.620 necessary
01:19:13.120 for all
01:19:13.780 the young
01:19:14.160 people to
01:19:14.640 understand
01:19:15.320 we have
01:19:16.500 been taking
01:19:17.060 casualties
01:19:17.660 for
01:19:18.360 several
01:19:19.160 generations
01:19:19.920 and just
01:19:21.380 like the
01:19:21.740 communists
01:19:22.280 in this
01:19:22.740 country
01:19:23.180 and around
01:19:23.940 the world
01:19:24.340 they suffered
01:19:25.080 they you know
01:19:26.660 they suffered
01:19:27.260 legal indignities
01:19:28.500 for 40
01:19:29.520 50 60
01:19:30.260 years
01:19:30.660 and ultimately
01:19:31.440 through all
01:19:32.640 of their
01:19:32.940 casualties
01:19:33.540 and their
01:19:34.820 sacrifices
01:19:35.520 they are in
01:19:36.220 power today
01:19:37.060 okay so
01:19:38.360 it's literally
01:19:39.460 our turn
01:19:40.520 to do this
01:19:41.400 and it
01:19:41.860 really behooves
01:19:42.760 all of us
01:19:43.340 to actually
01:19:44.460 become acquainted
01:19:46.040 with names
01:19:46.760 like
01:19:47.240 like Dr.
01:19:48.460 Dutui
01:19:48.800 and all
01:19:50.240 of the
01:19:50.520 hundreds
01:19:50.880 if not
01:19:51.340 thousands
01:19:51.940 of other
01:19:52.560 political
01:19:52.940 prisoners
01:19:53.360 still
01:19:53.900 in the
01:19:55.260 world
01:19:55.540 today
01:19:56.000 who are
01:19:56.480 trying
01:19:57.020 their very
01:19:57.600 best
01:19:58.040 to reach
01:19:58.600 out
01:19:58.960 reach up
01:20:00.100 and let
01:20:01.740 people know
01:20:02.520 in their
01:20:03.660 own
01:20:04.040 in their
01:20:04.440 own views
01:20:05.060 and in
01:20:05.540 their own
01:20:05.880 locations
01:20:06.380 what's
01:20:06.940 happened
01:20:07.380 what is
01:20:08.460 happening
01:20:08.820 presently
01:20:09.580 and what
01:20:10.020 will happen
01:20:10.560 to all
01:20:11.020 of us
01:20:11.260 in the
01:20:11.500 future
01:20:11.820 if we
01:20:13.040 don't
01:20:13.860 give
01:20:14.300 these
01:20:14.580 voices
01:20:15.220 you know
01:20:16.800 ample
01:20:17.260 coverage like
01:20:18.040 we're doing
01:20:18.400 today
01:20:18.720 and based
01:20:19.260 I really
01:20:19.720 appreciate
01:20:20.340 these kind
01:20:21.560 of spaces
01:20:22.200 posty
01:20:22.920 white
01:20:24.200 excellence
01:20:24.680 radio
01:20:25.100 these are
01:20:25.740 all
01:20:26.020 this is
01:20:27.100 such a
01:20:27.480 necessary
01:20:27.860 part
01:20:28.640 of the
01:20:29.140 rear guard
01:20:30.180 action
01:20:31.140 and the
01:20:32.060 action
01:20:32.400 going
01:20:32.760 forward
01:20:33.200 it's
01:20:33.480 you know
01:20:34.500 it's
01:20:34.740 very
01:20:34.980 uplifting
01:20:35.520 to me
01:20:36.140 I hope
01:20:37.560 that you
01:20:37.900 are going
01:20:38.500 to write
01:20:39.040 a book
01:20:40.400 maybe
01:20:41.300 you
01:20:41.560 maybe
01:20:42.040 you'll
01:20:42.260 have to
01:20:42.560 come
01:20:42.760 to the
01:20:43.020 United
01:20:43.180 States
01:20:43.540 Mike
01:20:43.880 as a
01:20:45.520 political
01:20:45.780 prisoner
01:20:46.220 I mean
01:20:46.580 stranger
01:20:47.180 things
01:20:47.520 have
01:20:47.720 happened
01:20:48.100 but to
01:20:49.680 write a
01:20:50.120 book
01:20:50.440 more or
01:20:51.060 less
01:20:51.380 not only
01:20:52.560 about your
01:20:52.920 world view
01:20:53.460 but about
01:20:53.960 your personal
01:20:54.660 experiences
01:20:55.340 and then
01:20:56.580 I'll finish
01:20:57.120 with this
01:20:57.560 Mike
01:20:57.840 and ask
01:20:58.860 you this
01:20:59.340 question
01:20:59.740 because I
01:21:00.320 wanted to
01:21:00.720 roll this
01:21:01.140 in my
01:21:01.500 earlier
01:21:01.800 questions
01:21:02.340 was
01:21:02.700 Nelson Mandela
01:21:06.560 was
01:21:06.940 essentially
01:21:07.620 I think
01:21:08.040 he did
01:21:09.040 26 years
01:21:10.240 26 or
01:21:11.780 27 years
01:21:12.860 in prison
01:21:13.540 but he
01:21:13.840 did it
01:21:14.340 in black 0.97
01:21:15.540 prisons
01:21:16.200 and if
01:21:17.600 you don't
01:21:18.200 mind
01:21:18.640 you don't
01:21:19.040 have to
01:21:19.420 do this
01:21:19.860 because I
01:21:20.440 don't like
01:21:20.820 talking about
01:21:21.400 my experiences
01:21:22.060 necessarily
01:21:22.680 either
01:21:23.060 but were
01:21:24.040 you kept
01:21:24.620 in a
01:21:25.220 mixed
01:21:25.580 prison
01:21:26.840 setting
01:21:27.320 or was
01:21:28.180 it
01:21:28.420 predominantly
01:21:29.280 Alphacons
01:21:30.720 let me
01:21:35.440 just say
01:21:36.140 that
01:21:36.560 unfortunately
01:21:38.140 I went
01:21:41.840 off
01:21:42.180 the
01:21:42.600 system
01:21:43.660 so
01:21:44.180 I
01:21:45.740 only
01:21:46.500 got
01:21:46.940 you
01:21:47.820 right at
01:21:48.260 the
01:21:48.360 beginning
01:21:48.720 and
01:21:49.000 right
01:21:49.260 at
01:21:49.420 the
01:21:49.540 end
01:21:49.900 so
01:21:52.860 if
01:21:53.160 I
01:21:53.380 don't
01:21:54.180 answer
01:21:54.900 what
01:21:55.600 you
01:21:55.940 would
01:21:56.700 like
01:21:57.000 to
01:21:57.180 hear
01:21:57.380 please
01:21:57.780 do
01:21:58.000 ask
01:21:58.340 again
01:21:58.980 look
01:22:00.100 there
01:22:00.460 were
01:22:00.840 racial
01:22:01.860 segregation
01:22:02.480 in the
01:22:03.180 prisons
01:22:03.620 the 0.98
01:22:04.000 blacks 1.00
01:22:04.360 were 0.95
01:22:04.560 kept
01:22:04.900 in
01:22:05.160 their
01:22:06.020 cells
01:22:07.400 and the
01:22:07.920 whites
01:22:08.180 were
01:22:08.420 kept
01:22:08.700 in
01:22:08.920 their
01:22:09.120 own
01:22:09.400 cells
01:22:09.900 but
01:22:10.900 when
01:22:11.100 I
01:22:11.380 was
01:22:11.680 there
01:22:12.020 that
01:22:13.140 system
01:22:13.720 was
01:22:14.060 abolished
01:22:14.820 so
01:22:15.560 I
01:22:15.840 was
01:22:16.100 there
01:22:16.520 with 0.93
01:22:17.000 blacks 1.00
01:22:17.480 I
01:22:17.760 was
01:22:18.120 in
01:22:18.960 a
01:22:19.200 cell
01:22:19.540 where
01:22:20.860 about
01:22:21.280 20
01:22:21.820 people
01:22:22.320 should
01:22:22.700 live
01:22:23.060 with
01:22:23.420 about
01:22:23.780 60
01:22:24.280 black
01:22:24.640 people
01:22:25.140 and
01:22:26.560 so
01:22:26.800 I
01:22:27.000 can
01:22:27.200 carry
01:22:27.540 on
01:22:27.840 and
01:22:28.080 on
01:22:28.400 and
01:22:29.140 eventually
01:22:30.200 I
01:22:31.260 discovered
01:22:32.020 that
01:22:34.780 I
01:22:35.020 can
01:22:35.440 ask
01:22:36.400 for
01:22:36.820 a
01:22:37.080 single
01:22:37.400 cell
01:22:37.780 so
01:22:39.240 I
01:22:39.440 asked
01:22:39.860 for
01:22:40.120 a
01:22:40.300 single
01:22:40.580 cell
01:22:41.000 on
01:22:41.320 the
01:22:41.500 pretext
01:22:42.080 that
01:22:42.560 my
01:22:43.880 life
01:22:44.220 is
01:22:45.860 endangered
01:22:46.560 so
01:22:47.880 for
01:22:48.140 the
01:22:48.360 biggest
01:22:48.720 part
01:22:49.160 of
01:22:49.380 my
01:22:49.820 incarceration
01:22:50.620 I
01:22:51.300 was
01:22:51.620 in
01:22:51.880 a
01:22:52.140 cell
01:22:52.400 all
01:22:52.720 by
01:22:52.920 my
01:22:53.160 own
01:22:53.480 day
01:22:54.340 and
01:22:54.640 night
01:22:55.120 I
01:22:57.360 just
01:22:57.680 want
01:22:57.960 to
01:22:58.080 take
01:22:58.360 this
01:22:58.700 I
01:22:59.280 don't
01:22:59.460 want
01:22:59.640 to
01:22:59.740 interject
01:23:00.140 Dr.
01:23:00.560 Mike
01:23:00.760 but
01:23:00.980 I
01:23:01.120 just
01:23:01.280 want
01:23:01.420 to
01:23:01.500 take
01:23:01.700 the
01:23:02.020 time
01:23:02.260 to
01:23:02.420 say
01:23:02.660 please
01:23:03.560 be
01:23:03.840 mindful
01:23:04.360 I
01:23:05.940 know
01:23:06.160 we
01:23:06.340 can
01:23:06.500 get
01:23:06.700 drawn
01:23:07.000 into
01:23:07.300 the
01:23:08.780 conversation
01:23:11.040 to the
01:23:11.600 point
01:23:11.840 where
01:23:12.080 sometimes
01:23:12.640 we
01:23:13.140 don't
01:23:14.280 keep
01:23:14.480 our
01:23:14.640 train
01:23:14.840 of
01:23:14.980 forward
01:23:15.180 which
01:23:15.600 is
01:23:15.740 not
01:23:15.920 what
01:23:16.060 I'm
01:23:16.140 saying
01:23:16.300 you're
01:23:16.420 doing
01:23:16.580 but
01:23:16.840 just
01:23:17.920 be
01:23:18.140 mindful
01:23:18.460 of
01:23:18.880 your
01:23:19.640 parole
01:23:20.040 prescriptions
01:23:22.600 and
01:23:23.260 when
01:23:25.000 you answer
01:23:25.520 questions
01:23:26.080 thank
01:23:28.100 you
01:23:28.400 what
01:23:29.220 you
01:23:29.560 did
01:23:29.860 was
01:23:30.080 that
01:23:30.280 you
01:23:30.400 were
01:23:30.560 on a
01:23:30.780 mix
01:23:31.040 it
01:23:31.240 changed
01:23:31.640 I
01:23:31.800 think
01:23:31.920 that
01:23:32.160 would
01:23:32.320 be
01:23:32.560 fair
01:23:32.880 enough
01:23:33.060 I
01:23:33.160 don't
01:23:33.240 know
01:23:33.360 Frank
01:23:33.640 did you
01:23:34.040 want
01:23:34.200 to
01:23:34.280 know
01:23:34.380 anything
01:23:34.720 deeper
01:23:36.000 than
01:23:36.240 that
01:23:36.540 or
01:23:36.760 no
01:23:37.940 no
01:23:38.360 I
01:23:38.600 just
01:23:38.900 want
01:23:39.300 the
01:23:39.520 audience
01:23:40.040 it's
01:23:40.400 not
01:23:40.620 it's
01:23:40.860 not
01:23:41.100 this
01:23:41.380 interplay
01:23:41.780 between
01:23:42.060 myself
01:23:42.560 and
01:23:42.780 Mike
01:23:43.100 or
01:23:43.280 Johannes
01:23:43.660 or
01:23:43.940 anybody
01:23:44.280 it's
01:23:45.560 it's
01:23:45.940 the
01:23:46.240 audience
01:23:46.940 because
01:23:47.540 you
01:23:48.300 know
01:23:48.420 we
01:23:48.620 always
01:23:49.040 hear
01:23:49.400 about
01:23:49.960 you
01:23:50.200 know
01:23:50.540 crimes
01:23:53.260 and
01:23:53.460 misdemeanors
01:23:54.180 against
01:23:54.620 you
01:23:54.820 know
01:23:54.940 every
01:23:55.240 sort
01:23:55.720 of 0.96
01:23:56.020 pervert 0.58
01:23:57.660 and
01:23:58.080 and
01:23:58.380 whatever
01:23:58.760 but
01:23:59.020 our
01:23:59.300 people
01:23:59.780 you
01:24:00.020 know
01:24:00.160 I
01:24:00.520 think
01:24:00.640 it was
01:24:00.860 Solzhenitsyn
01:24:01.480 that said
01:24:02.120 the
01:24:02.980 gulags
01:24:03.720 don't
01:24:04.240 affect
01:24:04.920 the
01:24:05.720 common
01:24:06.440 criminal
01:24:07.040 or the
01:24:07.660 common
01:24:08.060 revolutionary
01:24:08.840 but
01:24:09.340 it
01:24:09.860 affected
01:24:10.360 most
01:24:11.500 dramatically
01:24:12.180 the
01:24:12.640 academics
01:24:13.300 the
01:24:13.680 the
01:24:13.980 individuals
01:24:14.520 who
01:24:15.220 for all
01:24:16.040 intents
01:24:16.300 purposes
01:24:16.700 were of
01:24:17.680 a higher
01:24:18.060 intelligence
01:24:18.760 they were
01:24:19.240 more
01:24:19.480 sensitive
01:24:19.960 and
01:24:20.880 this is
01:24:21.280 why
01:24:21.600 this is
01:24:22.040 why
01:24:22.480 they
01:24:22.760 put
01:24:23.160 our
01:24:23.480 people
01:24:23.960 in
01:24:24.800 these
01:24:25.040 positions
01:24:25.560 that's
01:24:25.900 all I
01:24:26.160 wanted
01:24:26.360 to tell
01:24:26.860 the
01:24:27.120 audience
01:24:27.560 is that
01:24:28.680 when you
01:24:29.080 hear
01:24:29.440 influencers
01:24:30.200 or leaders
01:24:31.140 or spokesmen
01:24:32.140 and they
01:24:33.240 are
01:24:33.740 denied
01:24:35.240 their
01:24:35.540 freedom
01:24:35.940 and they're
01:24:36.280 placed
01:24:36.700 in these
01:24:37.160 places
01:24:37.600 this is
01:24:38.820 designed
01:24:39.580 on a
01:24:40.540 personal
01:24:40.940 level
01:24:41.340 to
01:24:41.580 destroy
01:24:42.340 their
01:24:44.120 belief
01:24:44.760 not only
01:24:45.360 in
01:24:45.640 themselves
01:24:46.180 but in
01:24:46.700 their
01:24:46.880 mission
01:24:47.340 in
01:24:48.060 their
01:24:48.240 people
01:24:48.740 this
01:24:49.040 every
01:24:49.440 time
01:24:50.120 we
01:24:50.400 we
01:24:50.960 look
01:24:51.240 at
01:24:51.500 our
01:24:52.780 world
01:24:53.120 around
01:24:53.540 us
01:24:53.880 remember
01:24:54.380 the
01:24:54.840 seers
01:24:55.820 and the
01:24:56.540 philosophers
01:24:57.160 and the
01:24:58.220 speakers
01:24:58.660 these are
01:24:59.640 the people
01:25:00.120 that they
01:25:01.000 fear the
01:25:01.840 greatest
01:25:02.140 obviously
01:25:02.760 because
01:25:03.340 the spoken
01:25:04.780 word
01:25:05.140 and the
01:25:05.400 written
01:25:05.600 word
01:25:06.040 are the
01:25:06.820 ones
01:25:07.040 that
01:25:07.260 drive
01:25:07.680 these
01:25:07.940 points
01:25:08.440 most
01:25:09.660 closely
01:25:10.180 to our
01:25:10.680 hearts
01:25:10.960 I just
01:25:11.320 wanted to
01:25:11.700 recognize
01:25:12.360 Mike
01:25:12.880 in that
01:25:13.820 respect
01:25:14.220 that he
01:25:15.740 has suffered
01:25:16.440 on behalf
01:25:17.640 of his
01:25:18.800 people
01:25:19.280 and his
01:25:20.840 nation
01:25:21.380 and so
01:25:22.460 kudos
01:25:22.960 to men
01:25:24.280 like that
01:25:24.840 and there's
01:25:25.240 not just
01:25:25.860 him
01:25:26.080 there's been
01:25:26.520 hundreds
01:25:27.220 of men
01:25:28.520 in these
01:25:29.080 cases
01:25:29.460 so
01:25:29.960 anyway
01:25:30.820 thanks for
01:25:31.280 the mic
01:25:31.580 guys
01:25:32.000 and great
01:25:32.800 great
01:25:33.140 conversation
01:25:33.880 thanks
01:25:35.240 may I
01:25:36.080 just
01:25:36.260 few
01:25:40.380 things
01:25:40.860 first
01:25:41.300 of all
01:25:41.960 when
01:25:43.220 you
01:25:43.500 are
01:25:43.960 on
01:25:45.180 the
01:25:45.500 opposite
01:25:46.340 side
01:25:46.840 government
01:25:47.660 you
01:25:48.920 for the
01:25:49.440 first
01:25:49.760 time
01:25:50.280 experience
01:25:52.000 and realize
01:25:53.380 the power
01:25:54.020 of a
01:25:54.460 government
01:25:54.880 you
01:25:56.420 won't
01:25:56.940 believe
01:25:57.440 what
01:25:57.760 power
01:25:58.200 government
01:25:58.880 have
01:25:59.420 extreme
01:26:01.040 power
01:26:01.820 to the
01:26:02.720 extent
01:26:03.100 that
01:26:03.380 you
01:26:03.640 as
01:26:04.020 individual
01:26:05.120 are
01:26:06.500 can
01:26:07.620 actually
01:26:08.080 do
01:26:08.380 nothing
01:26:08.760 that's
01:26:09.160 the
01:26:09.300 first
01:26:09.600 thing
01:26:09.800 I
01:26:09.940 would
01:26:10.080 like
01:26:10.300 to
01:26:10.480 mention
01:26:10.880 then
01:26:12.480 another
01:26:12.960 thing
01:26:13.300 you
01:26:13.480 mentioned
01:26:14.080 is
01:26:15.860 I
01:26:17.080 can't
01:26:17.400 remember
01:26:17.800 what
01:26:18.140 you
01:26:18.460 said
01:26:18.980 but
01:26:19.520 I
01:26:19.660 would
01:26:19.840 like
01:26:20.140 to
01:26:20.500 say
01:26:21.480 that
01:26:22.740 you
01:26:22.900 know
01:26:23.080 for
01:26:23.340 the
01:26:23.520 last
01:26:23.860 150
01:26:24.860 years
01:26:25.720 our
01:26:27.320 type
01:26:27.980 of
01:26:28.480 person
01:26:29.580 with
01:26:30.680 our
01:26:31.000 type
01:26:31.440 of
01:26:31.640 ideas
01:26:32.380 there's
01:26:32.840 just
01:26:33.200 one
01:26:33.600 example
01:26:34.220 in
01:26:34.500 the
01:26:34.680 world
01:26:35.160 where
01:26:36.140 we
01:26:36.400 have
01:26:36.640 won
01:26:37.060 all
01:26:38.080 other
01:26:38.500 struggles
01:26:39.300 we
01:26:39.560 have
01:26:39.720 lost
01:26:40.120 just
01:26:40.900 one
01:26:41.240 example
01:26:41.780 where
01:26:42.120 we
01:26:42.340 have
01:26:42.540 won
01:26:42.840 and
01:26:43.800 that
01:26:44.060 is
01:26:44.360 in
01:26:45.400 the
01:26:45.600 Spanish
01:26:46.120 Civil
01:26:46.700 War
01:26:47.180 from
01:26:47.980 1946
01:26:48.880 to
01:26:49.300 1949
01:26:49.880 that's
01:26:50.560 the
01:26:50.760 only
01:26:51.240 example
01:26:53.600 where
01:26:54.080 our
01:26:54.400 people
01:26:54.880 won
01:26:55.340 a
01:26:55.700 war
01:26:56.000 so
01:26:56.800 what
01:26:57.040 I'm
01:26:57.300 trying
01:26:57.640 to
01:26:57.880 say
01:26:58.140 is
01:26:58.680 we
01:26:59.980 are
01:27:00.180 going
01:27:00.440 to
01:27:00.620 get
01:27:00.840 a
01:27:01.020 chance
01:27:01.380 again
01:27:01.720 in
01:27:01.900 the
01:27:02.060 future
01:27:02.460 and
01:27:03.780 we
01:27:04.040 must
01:27:04.560 use
01:27:06.920 all
01:27:07.280 our
01:27:07.760 creative
01:27:08.940 abilities
01:27:09.620 to
01:27:10.020 make
01:27:10.260 the
01:27:10.460 best
01:27:10.760 of
01:27:11.000 that
01:27:11.340 not
01:27:12.400 to
01:27:12.600 slip
01:27:12.880 up
01:27:13.140 again
01:27:13.560 amazing
01:27:17.560 welcome
01:27:20.880 to the
01:27:21.240 floor
01:27:21.480 radio
01:27:21.920 did I
01:27:22.440 see
01:27:22.660 extra's
01:27:23.240 hand
01:27:23.520 up
01:27:23.840 yeah
01:27:25.520 he
01:27:25.740 has
01:27:25.920 his
01:27:26.060 hand
01:27:26.220 up
01:27:26.500 yeah
01:27:26.740 okay
01:27:27.580 go ahead
01:27:28.060 extra
01:27:28.360 and then
01:27:28.580 we can
01:27:28.820 go to
01:27:29.020 radio
01:27:29.400 well
01:27:31.960 thank
01:27:32.200 you
01:27:32.480 and
01:27:33.020 yeah
01:27:33.620 look
01:27:33.920 this is
01:27:34.980 why I
01:27:35.360 asked
01:27:35.680 the
01:27:35.880 question
01:27:36.240 because
01:27:36.720 I
01:27:37.120 wasn't
01:27:37.420 aware
01:27:37.840 and I
01:27:38.760 did
01:27:38.900 wonder
01:27:39.320 before
01:27:40.060 the
01:27:40.720 interview
01:27:41.140 whether
01:27:41.840 it was
01:27:42.680 going to
01:27:43.060 be
01:27:43.180 possible
01:27:43.540 to
01:27:43.720 talk
01:27:43.920 about
01:27:44.100 these
01:27:44.340 things
01:27:44.620 so
01:27:46.640 so far
01:27:48.080 I don't
01:27:49.320 believe
01:27:49.640 that we
01:27:50.420 have
01:27:50.560 transgressed 0.89
01:27:51.820 any line
01:27:52.540 and I
01:27:52.740 think we've
01:27:53.040 fallen
01:27:53.300 or not
01:27:54.040 fallen
01:27:54.280 we have
01:27:54.680 remained
01:27:55.260 quite a
01:27:56.720 distance
01:27:57.000 from it
01:27:57.380 and in
01:27:58.560 speaking in
01:27:59.000 the abstract
01:27:59.460 there we're
01:28:00.280 now getting
01:28:00.920 away from it
01:28:01.500 a bit as
01:28:02.420 well from the
01:28:02.940 specifics but
01:28:03.520 talking in a
01:28:04.200 very useful
01:28:04.680 generality
01:28:05.260 and first
01:28:08.100 of all I'll
01:28:08.580 just say
01:28:08.920 that you
01:28:10.620 know I am
01:28:11.320 reminded of
01:28:11.960 course of the
01:28:12.680 mythology and I
01:28:13.620 think the
01:28:14.040 comparison was
01:28:14.620 nearly made
01:28:15.480 to Nelson
01:28:17.460 Mandela and
01:28:18.400 how well it
01:28:20.260 was often said
01:28:20.980 about him by
01:28:22.280 people who
01:28:22.800 used the
01:28:23.580 phrase maybe
01:28:24.120 to appear
01:28:24.640 wise because
01:28:25.160 they'd heard
01:28:25.480 somebody else
01:28:25.980 say it who
01:28:26.380 they thought
01:28:26.700 was wise but
01:28:27.380 it is a
01:28:27.760 truism that
01:28:28.340 one man's
01:28:28.840 freedom fighter
01:28:29.360 is another 0.62
01:28:30.420 man's terrorist 0.71
01:28:31.080 and one man's
01:28:31.740 terrorist is another
01:28:32.320 man's freedom
01:28:32.780 fighter it
01:28:33.840 depends on the
01:28:34.420 perspective from
01:28:35.040 what you're
01:28:35.280 looking at or
01:28:35.980 it depends on
01:28:37.560 what is the
01:28:38.580 prevailing attitude
01:28:39.640 of society and
01:28:40.960 as I have come
01:28:41.640 to realise and
01:28:42.120 maybe others in
01:28:42.680 this room have
01:28:43.100 come to realise
01:28:43.560 is that most
01:28:44.600 of society do
01:28:45.360 not in fact
01:28:45.940 hold their
01:28:46.700 own opinions
01:28:47.160 they don't
01:28:47.520 derive their
01:28:48.200 own opinions
01:28:48.600 they just
01:28:49.520 simply wet a
01:28:50.860 finger put it
01:28:51.400 in the air and
01:28:51.880 see which way
01:28:52.280 the wind is
01:28:52.600 blowing and
01:28:52.940 then they
01:28:53.240 pretty much
01:28:54.200 sincerely believe
01:28:55.020 that whatever
01:28:55.540 the popular
01:28:55.980 opinion is
01:28:56.840 lo and behold
01:28:57.820 they also have
01:28:59.080 that same opinion
01:28:59.720 so most people
01:29:01.240 pretty much blow
01:29:02.220 whatever way the
01:29:02.740 wind is blowing
01:29:03.360 and this is how
01:29:05.180 easily then the
01:29:06.000 perception of
01:29:07.020 any man can
01:29:08.740 change and be
01:29:09.640 rewritten as
01:29:10.920 we've I'm old
01:29:11.940 enough now to
01:29:12.420 have seen history
01:29:13.060 be rewritten
01:29:13.700 many people in
01:29:15.480 South Africa of
01:29:16.340 course if you go
01:29:17.780 there will remind
01:29:18.560 you Nelson
01:29:19.520 Mandela is not a
01:29:20.920 saint even though
01:29:21.700 he is perhaps
01:29:22.880 the most modern
01:29:24.480 day saint
01:29:25.140 canonized in
01:29:26.400 his own
01:29:26.740 lifetime and
01:29:27.940 pop stars and
01:29:29.000 everybody else
01:29:29.580 went to visit
01:29:30.100 him and they
01:29:31.440 all reported
01:29:32.000 what a presence
01:29:33.660 he had and
01:29:34.360 how they felt
01:29:35.240 that he was a
01:29:37.100 holy man he
01:29:37.900 was like a
01:29:39.040 cross between
01:29:39.560 maybe the
01:29:39.920 Pope and
01:29:40.260 the Dalai
01:29:40.740 Lama and
01:29:42.100 a rock star
01:29:42.980 in any case
01:29:44.380 to come down
01:29:45.620 from that
01:29:46.120 you know the
01:29:47.600 by contrast
01:29:49.060 and they always
01:29:49.380 tell these
01:29:49.700 stories by
01:29:50.140 contrast is
01:29:51.480 that he was
01:29:52.020 on imprisoned
01:29:52.900 on an
01:29:53.220 island robbing
01:29:53.820 island just
01:29:54.940 off the
01:29:55.340 coast of
01:29:56.800 this lovely
01:29:57.620 lovely beaches
01:29:58.420 in western
01:30:00.760 cape of
01:30:01.420 South Africa
01:30:01.920 whereby all
01:30:02.720 these white
01:30:03.200 people in
01:30:03.660 their apartheid
01:30:04.400 state would
01:30:04.900 sun themselves
01:30:05.560 meanwhile he
01:30:06.340 was in this
01:30:06.820 bare cell
01:30:07.940 there but
01:30:08.960 of course I
01:30:09.480 did hear that
01:30:10.060 you know he
01:30:10.960 was provided
01:30:11.740 with a fax
01:30:12.220 machine and
01:30:12.700 other things
01:30:13.160 and he was
01:30:13.360 allowed to
01:30:13.620 communicate with
01:30:14.220 other people
01:30:14.560 and plan
01:30:15.120 his political
01:30:16.600 or his
01:30:18.080 emergence
01:30:18.440 onto the
01:30:19.060 political stage
01:30:19.740 and then become
01:30:20.840 the president
01:30:21.260 it's sort of
01:30:21.880 one of these
01:30:22.200 rags to rich
01:30:22.800 stories which
01:30:23.500 they love to
01:30:23.980 tell us or
01:30:24.400 from some
01:30:25.320 kind of
01:30:26.240 destitute
01:30:27.600 type of state
01:30:28.420 to becoming
01:30:29.020 king of the
01:30:29.540 world more
01:30:30.100 or less
01:30:30.400 now I'm not
01:30:31.960 trying to
01:30:32.320 suggest that
01:30:33.560 this future
01:30:34.800 of course might
01:30:35.660 lie ahead
01:30:36.640 there for
01:30:37.140 for Dr.
01:30:39.400 de Toy
01:30:39.660 I'm not trying
01:30:40.300 to flatter him
01:30:40.960 but I am
01:30:41.800 just sort of
01:30:42.280 showing to
01:30:43.180 the audience
01:30:43.640 maybe as
01:30:44.100 well
01:30:44.360 how all
01:30:45.880 it takes
01:30:46.300 is a little
01:30:46.760 perception
01:30:47.320 shift
01:30:47.840 and a
01:30:48.920 narrative
01:30:49.280 shift
01:30:49.720 for things
01:30:50.600 to change
01:30:51.120 and I do
01:30:51.540 hope that
01:30:52.380 perceptions do
01:30:53.080 change in the
01:30:53.540 future
01:30:53.740 I think
01:30:54.140 what has
01:30:55.240 happened
01:30:56.100 bit by bit
01:30:56.800 as we talked
01:30:57.220 about before
01:30:57.620 piecemeal
01:30:58.140 gradually
01:30:58.600 has been
01:30:59.420 not just
01:31:00.000 one concession
01:31:00.740 of territory
01:31:01.440 or of
01:31:02.340 maybe our
01:31:03.220 society
01:31:03.700 but of our
01:31:04.380 own perceptions
01:31:04.980 of ourselves
01:31:05.560 and I know
01:31:05.960 Frank is always
01:31:06.560 at pains to
01:31:07.040 point this out
01:31:07.600 that it's not
01:31:08.760 just a case of
01:31:09.340 pointing the
01:31:09.800 finger at
01:31:10.180 others and
01:31:10.580 saying they
01:31:12.140 did something
01:31:12.920 to us
01:31:13.460 or they
01:31:13.760 have robbed
01:31:14.340 something from
01:31:14.820 us and of
01:31:15.200 course we can
01:31:15.740 also make
01:31:16.620 comparisons to
01:31:17.200 other people
01:31:17.540 who say oh
01:31:18.080 we would be
01:31:18.860 great if it
01:31:19.360 weren't for the
01:31:19.820 fact that other
01:31:20.360 people had robbed
01:31:21.040 something from
01:31:21.580 us
01:31:21.760 we are morally
01:31:23.940 spiritually
01:31:24.760 psychologically
01:31:26.040 beaten down
01:31:27.660 we have allowed
01:31:28.440 these things to
01:31:29.280 happen
01:31:29.520 our fathers
01:31:30.840 forefathers and
01:31:31.760 forefathers before
01:31:32.920 them gradually
01:31:33.660 have allowed their
01:31:34.660 own perceptions of
01:31:35.940 themselves to be
01:31:36.520 diminished
01:31:36.800 now I'm not here
01:31:37.600 to soapbox so
01:31:38.440 I'll wrap this up
01:31:39.380 now and put it
01:31:40.420 into a question
01:31:41.440 here again it's
01:31:43.220 it's in the
01:31:43.660 abstract a part
01:31:44.760 of this sort
01:31:46.740 of reawakening
01:31:48.400 or coming back
01:31:50.300 from the brink
01:31:51.200 is a sort of a
01:31:52.240 spiritual stroke
01:31:53.340 psychological aspect
01:31:54.720 and I am aware
01:31:55.580 that in South
01:31:56.100 Africa one of
01:31:58.180 particularly for
01:31:58.880 Afrikaners the 0.91
01:32:00.560 maybe the
01:32:01.300 spiritual leader
01:32:02.960 is a man
01:32:04.360 called
01:32:04.700 Siener van
01:32:05.800 Vrensberg and
01:32:07.480 he had visions
01:32:09.040 of the future
01:32:09.620 and a part of
01:32:10.260 that vision was
01:32:10.800 that there would
01:32:11.440 be a great fall
01:32:12.140 and be economic
01:32:12.900 decline and there
01:32:13.760 would be territorial
01:32:14.660 concessions and
01:32:16.500 the Buddha or
01:32:18.120 the Afrikaner and
01:32:18.900 the white man in
01:32:19.580 South Africa and
01:32:20.860 maybe across the
01:32:21.540 world would fall
01:32:22.660 into decline
01:32:23.240 but that there
01:32:25.180 would be some
01:32:25.980 kind of renaissance
01:32:26.680 at some point
01:32:27.300 unfortunately as
01:32:28.900 we have talked
01:32:29.720 about in some of
01:32:30.700 HT's spaces
01:32:31.440 recently and
01:32:33.000 elsewhere a lot
01:32:34.600 of people who
01:32:35.240 hold on to
01:32:35.780 religion think that 0.84
01:32:36.760 well if the
01:32:37.220 things will come
01:32:38.960 right in the end
01:32:39.600 they often feel
01:32:40.440 that well that's
01:32:41.620 fate and they 0.99
01:32:42.400 just need to hang
01:32:43.300 around until such
01:32:44.420 time as you
01:32:46.680 know things get
01:32:47.240 better not
01:32:47.960 realizing I think
01:32:49.100 that they have to
01:32:49.600 play their part
01:32:50.340 and so again
01:32:51.420 speaking the
01:32:52.080 abstract could
01:32:53.900 Dr. de Toy
01:32:54.860 speak a little
01:32:55.420 bit with regard
01:32:56.680 to how he might
01:32:57.260 feel maybe when
01:32:58.340 he was a young
01:32:58.880 man versus now
01:33:00.100 about the idea
01:33:01.680 of fate or
01:33:02.760 destiny and
01:33:03.680 maybe in regard
01:33:04.780 to Siener van
01:33:05.560 Rensberg please
01:33:07.220 yes I believe
01:33:14.820 that every
01:33:15.940 human being
01:33:16.940 have a
01:33:19.540 destiny I
01:33:20.680 would not
01:33:22.160 like I would
01:33:22.860 not like to
01:33:23.560 use the word
01:33:24.300 fate every
01:33:25.760 human being
01:33:26.720 and every
01:33:27.520 nation in the
01:33:28.400 world have
01:33:29.600 a destiny
01:33:30.340 I don't believe
01:33:34.320 in free will
01:33:35.160 you know in I'm
01:33:37.920 trained in
01:33:38.660 philosophy which
01:33:40.440 is this subject
01:33:41.660 of the free
01:33:42.380 will promoting
01:33:43.440 free will but I
01:33:45.580 don't believe in
01:33:46.480 free will
01:33:47.120 the reason being
01:33:50.720 that perhaps this
01:33:55.220 is very personal
01:33:56.160 but in my
01:33:57.240 young days
01:33:58.020 I visited
01:34:00.500 people who
01:34:01.680 claimed they
01:34:02.620 can see the
01:34:03.280 future quite a
01:34:05.000 few times and
01:34:07.040 some of those
01:34:07.800 predictions came
01:34:09.000 out 100%
01:34:11.520 not 1 not
01:34:13.080 2 10 15
01:34:15.020 so I have no
01:34:18.920 doubt that each
01:34:21.520 one of us has a
01:34:22.640 destiny and that
01:34:24.820 there is no such
01:34:25.680 thing as free
01:34:26.580 will I have
01:34:29.180 studied Siener van
01:34:30.100 Rendsburg quite
01:34:31.380 intensively and
01:34:33.560 unfortunately I
01:34:34.820 must tell you
01:34:35.680 that especially
01:34:38.220 the books of
01:34:39.520 Snyman about
01:34:41.300 Siener van
01:34:41.920 Rendsburg is
01:34:44.060 completely
01:34:45.240 untrue
01:34:46.260 because he is
01:34:48.160 mixing Siener
01:34:49.440 van Rendsburg's
01:34:50.680 visions with
01:34:53.060 Johanna Brandt
01:34:54.420 and all sorts
01:34:56.940 of stories that
01:34:58.040 he heard and
01:34:59.620 people that are
01:35:00.580 sending him
01:35:01.360 messages and
01:35:02.980 then he can
01:35:03.920 throw all of
01:35:05.860 that together and
01:35:06.840 then he is
01:35:08.220 publishing it as
01:35:09.380 the visions of
01:35:10.260 Siener van
01:35:10.740 Rendsburg
01:35:11.420 I have
01:35:12.880 studied Siener
01:35:13.840 van Rendsburg
01:35:14.560 and I have
01:35:15.200 discovered a
01:35:16.020 few things
01:35:16.760 that are
01:35:18.580 really
01:35:19.760 completely
01:35:22.160 against
01:35:22.960 everything that
01:35:24.120 he said about
01:35:25.040 him
01:35:25.320 one is so
01:35:28.260 sensitive that
01:35:29.160 I am not
01:35:29.560 going to
01:35:30.000 mention it
01:35:30.740 but I
01:35:33.540 believe that
01:35:34.340 there are
01:35:35.720 people who
01:35:36.880 can see into
01:35:37.740 the future
01:35:38.420 I don't know
01:35:39.940 how it works
01:35:40.820 but it is as
01:35:43.020 if the future
01:35:43.800 already happened
01:35:44.940 and we
01:35:46.600 are just
01:35:47.340 actors on a
01:35:48.240 stage
01:35:48.760 playing our
01:35:50.480 roles
01:35:50.920 thank you
01:36:00.740 thank you
01:36:00.760 I really
01:36:01.300 appreciate
01:36:02.260 the
01:36:02.800 Shakespearean
01:36:04.060 type of
01:36:04.640 quote at the
01:36:05.580 end there
01:36:05.920 I don't
01:36:06.660 know
01:36:06.980 I'm
01:36:07.160 excited
01:36:07.780 but I
01:36:08.200 think there's
01:36:08.740 probably some
01:36:09.240 truth in that
01:36:09.740 but we still
01:36:10.300 have to play
01:36:10.720 our roles
01:36:11.300 regardless
01:36:11.860 anyway
01:36:13.460 thank you
01:36:13.920 I just
01:36:15.640 want to
01:36:15.940 ask
01:36:16.220 just that
01:36:16.880 housekeeping
01:36:18.040 Mike
01:36:18.560 please make
01:36:19.780 sure that
01:36:20.480 if you are
01:36:20.960 not speaking
01:36:21.760 that you
01:36:22.640 just mute
01:36:23.640 your mic
01:36:24.020 because it
01:36:24.560 causes some
01:36:25.360 feedback and
01:36:26.120 stuff like that
01:36:26.660 but I do
01:36:27.280 think that's
01:36:27.860 a good
01:36:28.720 answer
01:36:29.060 I would
01:36:29.380 just like
01:36:29.780 to use
01:36:31.960 the
01:36:32.360 preface
01:36:33.400 of
01:36:35.200 external
01:36:36.300 to make
01:36:38.160 a statement
01:36:38.680 and ask
01:36:39.200 Dr. Mike
01:36:39.740 to comment
01:36:40.220 on it
01:36:40.640 so the
01:36:41.760 idea that
01:36:42.340 one man's
01:36:42.960 freedom
01:36:43.280 fighter is
01:36:43.960 another man's 0.59
01:36:44.980 terrorist 0.73
01:36:45.720 and vice
01:36:46.280 versa
01:36:46.720 a lot
01:36:47.880 of times
01:36:48.540 it is
01:36:49.020 held
01:36:49.540 the idea
01:36:50.460 is held
01:36:50.880 that Nelson
01:36:51.720 Mandela
01:36:52.220 is this 0.98
01:36:52.880 black
01:36:53.200 savior
01:36:53.620 I do
01:36:54.820 not hold
01:36:55.180 that belief
01:36:55.680 I think
01:36:56.120 it's laughable
01:36:56.880 I think
01:36:57.700 Nelson
01:36:58.200 Mandela
01:36:58.640 to be
01:36:59.620 the freedom
01:37:00.140 fighter
01:37:00.560 of
01:37:00.840 international
01:37:01.540 capitalism
01:37:02.320 or
01:37:03.120 Jews
01:37:04.660 to be
01:37:05.240 quite
01:37:05.580 frank
01:37:06.080 and 0.98
01:37:06.560 submissive
01:37:07.700 but
01:37:08.760 because
01:37:10.720 the vision
01:37:11.480 that he
01:37:11.760 was fighting
01:37:12.280 for was
01:37:12.940 a non-racial 0.94
01:37:13.680 one
01:37:13.960 now what
01:37:14.840 I want
01:37:15.160 to know
01:37:15.460 from
01:37:15.760 Dr. Mike
01:37:18.240 do you
01:37:19.340 think
01:37:19.860 that the
01:37:20.560 nationalist
01:37:21.040 party
01:37:21.660 the white
01:37:22.520 government
01:37:22.980 of South
01:37:23.560 Africa
01:37:23.940 is
01:37:25.080 actively
01:37:25.980 and I
01:37:26.400 say is
01:37:27.020 and not
01:37:27.400 was
01:37:27.860 but is
01:37:28.880 actively
01:37:29.420 undermining
01:37:30.520 or
01:37:32.160 averting
01:37:33.200 any kind
01:37:33.920 of racial
01:37:34.420 conflict
01:37:35.040 in South
01:37:35.560 Africa
01:37:36.060 I believe
01:37:37.840 that Chris
01:37:38.720 Haney
01:37:39.180 was the 0.96
01:37:40.040 real black 0.52
01:37:40.780 freedom
01:37:41.200 fighter
01:37:41.660 and he
01:37:42.200 was killed
01:37:42.980 to ensure
01:37:44.460 or to
01:37:44.940 set the
01:37:45.580 stage
01:37:46.180 for
01:37:47.020 Mandela
01:37:47.840 to be
01:37:48.240 this
01:37:48.540 messianic
01:37:49.400 figure
01:37:50.040 for
01:37:51.520 multiracialism
01:37:53.440 could you
01:37:54.100 comment on
01:37:54.660 the
01:37:54.820 statement
01:37:55.220 to the
01:37:55.980 extent
01:37:56.400 that
01:37:56.840 you know
01:37:57.600 you feel
01:37:58.180 comfortable
01:37:58.680 I agree
01:38:03.100 with you
01:38:03.620 100%
01:38:04.900 Nelson
01:38:05.400 Mandela
01:38:05.980 was just
01:38:07.300 a figure
01:38:07.800 he meant
01:38:08.920 nothing
01:38:09.440 the
01:38:12.440 real
01:38:12.780 leader
01:38:14.080 of the 0.97
01:38:14.780 black
01:38:15.140 struggle
01:38:15.580 was
01:38:15.940 Chris
01:38:16.300 Haney
01:38:16.700 and
01:38:20.260 I don't
01:38:21.900 think
01:38:22.260 like you
01:38:23.020 said
01:38:23.360 the old
01:38:24.080 national
01:38:24.620 party
01:38:25.200 the liberal
01:38:25.820 national
01:38:26.460 party
01:38:27.120 is not
01:38:28.900 really
01:38:29.240 destroyed
01:38:29.940 it's
01:38:30.400 living
01:38:30.740 on
01:38:31.720 in other
01:38:32.480 organizations
01:38:33.520 other
01:38:35.300 very
01:38:35.940 strong
01:38:36.560 organizations
01:38:39.260 which I'm
01:38:40.400 not going
01:38:40.860 to mention
01:38:41.500 at a
01:38:41.920 moment
01:38:42.320 but they
01:38:43.760 they are
01:38:44.600 still
01:38:45.020 manipulating
01:38:45.880 people's
01:38:47.560 ideas
01:38:48.100 and still
01:38:49.620 trying to
01:38:50.320 get us
01:38:50.860 not to
01:38:51.580 resist
01:38:53.040 what is
01:38:53.580 busy
01:38:53.900 happening
01:38:54.320 in South
01:38:54.880 Africa
01:38:55.380 and as
01:38:58.720 you have
01:38:59.100 pointed out
01:39:00.000 they are
01:39:00.460 very closely
01:39:01.220 connected
01:39:01.820 to the
01:39:03.360 international
01:39:04.040 money
01:39:04.500 powers
01:39:05.160 so I
01:39:06.880 can't
01:39:07.460 differ
01:39:08.900 from what
01:39:09.740 you have
01:39:10.120 said
01:39:10.460 in any
01:39:11.100 way
01:39:11.420 very
01:39:13.860 interesting
01:39:14.340 thank you
01:39:14.920 sir
01:39:15.140 so tell
01:39:16.460 me
01:39:16.800 perhaps
01:39:17.640 a follow-up
01:39:18.480 question
01:39:18.940 to that
01:39:19.400 would be
01:39:19.880 and if
01:39:21.660 you don't
01:39:22.000 want to
01:39:22.300 comment
01:39:22.660 then please
01:39:23.380 do not
01:39:23.800 but a
01:39:24.160 lot of
01:39:24.740 international
01:39:25.840 listeners
01:39:26.440 have taken
01:39:27.600 a liking
01:39:28.420 and a keen
01:39:29.280 interest
01:39:29.820 in
01:39:30.100 Orania
01:39:30.580 and it
01:39:31.480 is often
01:39:32.100 presented
01:39:32.680 the
01:39:33.060 idea
01:39:33.520 is often
01:39:33.880 presented
01:39:34.380 that
01:39:34.700 Orania
01:39:35.240 is the
01:39:36.160 model
01:39:36.480 for the
01:39:36.940 future
01:39:37.360 and this
01:39:38.260 is something
01:39:38.720 that white 0.95
01:39:39.260 people
01:39:39.800 should pursue
01:39:40.900 self-governing
01:39:42.440 towns and
01:39:43.820 communities
01:39:44.400 which is a
01:39:45.140 sentiment that
01:39:45.900 I strongly
01:39:46.620 oppose in
01:39:47.420 that I
01:39:47.860 think it
01:39:48.420 is not
01:39:49.520 our destiny
01:39:50.280 I think
01:39:51.000 reclaiming
01:39:51.680 our countries
01:39:52.300 and rekindling
01:39:54.420 a political
01:39:54.980 will is our
01:39:55.760 destiny to
01:39:56.360 rule over
01:39:56.820 to govern
01:39:57.620 over ourselves
01:39:58.440 and I
01:40:00.600 don't
01:40:00.980 I don't
01:40:01.340 necessarily
01:40:01.780 see
01:40:02.100 Orania
01:40:02.560 to be
01:40:03.560 a stepping
01:40:04.520 stone
01:40:05.020 in that
01:40:05.540 I think
01:40:06.120 that
01:40:06.380 Orania
01:40:06.800 has more
01:40:08.120 sinister
01:40:08.700 or the
01:40:09.340 idea
01:40:09.660 the people
01:40:10.160 that are
01:40:10.520 actually
01:40:10.880 behind it
01:40:11.440 as a
01:40:12.700 more sinister
01:40:13.520 political
01:40:14.500 aspirations
01:40:16.260 for white
01:40:17.120 people
01:40:17.500 if you can
01:40:18.300 call it
01:40:18.680 aspirations
01:40:19.340 the late
01:40:22.520 Orania
01:40:22.800 had held
01:40:24.040 the position
01:40:24.600 that
01:40:25.040 this land
01:40:25.820 is our
01:40:26.440 land
01:40:26.780 this country
01:40:28.820 is our
01:40:29.280 land
01:40:29.540 would you
01:40:30.740 care to
01:40:31.040 comment on
01:40:32.000 white South 0.84
01:40:33.160 Africa being
01:40:33.840 returned to
01:40:34.520 white people
01:40:35.020 do they have 0.90
01:40:35.640 the right to
01:40:36.380 yet again
01:40:36.880 rule over
01:40:37.600 white South 0.84
01:40:38.120 Africa
01:40:38.480 or do you
01:40:39.380 think that
01:40:39.860 we should
01:40:40.540 embrace
01:40:42.760 real
01:40:43.820 politic
01:40:44.320 and sort
01:40:44.960 of
01:40:45.300 be
01:40:47.540 content
01:40:48.260 with
01:40:48.820 what
01:40:49.540 seems
01:40:50.460 to be
01:40:51.120 achievable
01:40:51.960 Johannes
01:40:57.120 I know
01:40:58.700 somebody
01:40:59.360 who's very
01:41:00.340 high up
01:41:01.020 in Afri
01:41:01.600 Forum
01:41:02.060 very very
01:41:03.720 high up
01:41:04.420 and he
01:41:05.220 once told
01:41:06.060 me
01:41:06.380 not so
01:41:06.920 long ago
01:41:07.560 that if
01:41:09.020 it wasn't
01:41:09.700 for the
01:41:10.460 money
01:41:10.860 that Afri 1.00
01:41:11.780 Forum
01:41:12.180 and Solidariteit
01:41:13.620 pours
01:41:14.800 into
01:41:15.380 Orania
01:41:16.940 they wouldn't
01:41:18.140 have existed
01:41:19.020 not at
01:41:20.280 all
01:41:20.560 not even
01:41:21.120 for a
01:41:21.640 week
01:41:22.000 so they
01:41:23.480 are kept
01:41:24.040 alive
01:41:24.520 economically
01:41:25.280 by
01:41:26.500 these two
01:41:27.640 organizations
01:41:28.480 and
01:41:30.640 like
01:41:32.280 oom
01:41:32.600 oom
01:41:32.620 Jaap
01:41:32.920 Ooref
01:41:33.340 said
01:41:33.780 Orania
01:41:35.240 is a
01:41:36.040 fop
01:41:36.340 speen
01:41:36.880 it is
01:41:37.420 something
01:41:37.840 for some
01:41:38.440 people
01:41:38.840 to believe
01:41:39.560 in
01:41:39.840 but it
01:41:41.600 can never
01:41:42.400 work
01:41:42.960 for a
01:41:44.060 simple
01:41:44.400 reason
01:41:44.860 and this
01:41:45.860 is
01:41:46.200 quite
01:41:49.080 obvious
01:41:50.000 and that
01:41:50.500 is that
01:41:50.880 it doesn't
01:41:51.480 really have
01:41:52.040 an economy
01:41:52.680 there's
01:41:53.300 no big
01:41:53.980 industries
01:41:54.840 it is
01:41:56.400 still
01:41:56.700 depending
01:41:57.240 on the
01:41:57.660 electricity
01:41:58.180 of South
01:41:58.900 Africa
01:41:59.460 and so
01:42:00.080 I can
01:42:00.420 carry
01:42:00.780 on
01:42:01.160 and
01:42:01.380 on
01:42:01.660 and
01:42:01.880 on
01:42:02.200 it's
01:42:03.200 not
01:42:03.480 it's
01:42:03.900 not
01:42:04.140 even
01:42:04.520 a
01:42:04.880 it's
01:42:05.180 not
01:42:05.380 even
01:42:05.680 an
01:42:05.860 extended
01:42:06.320 farm
01:42:06.840 it's
01:42:07.140 just
01:42:07.500 it's
01:42:07.880 actually
01:42:08.300 a joke
01:42:08.960 the
01:42:09.960 only
01:42:10.320 way
01:42:10.760 how
01:42:11.180 can
01:42:11.520 how
01:42:11.960 we
01:42:12.260 can
01:42:12.460 become
01:42:12.880 strong
01:42:13.340 again
01:42:13.740 is
01:42:14.940 to
01:42:15.400 have
01:42:15.720 our
01:42:16.040 own
01:42:16.340 country
01:42:16.920 not
01:42:17.540 not
01:42:17.940 a
01:42:18.140 folk
01:42:18.460 start
01:42:18.860 or
01:42:19.140 a
01:42:19.420 or
01:42:20.160 a
01:42:20.360 small
01:42:20.920 torpy
01:42:23.980 or
01:42:24.220 something
01:42:24.660 we
01:42:25.100 must
01:42:25.380 get
01:42:25.740 South
01:42:26.540 Africa
01:42:27.060 back
01:42:27.500 look
01:42:28.820 we
01:42:29.200 we
01:42:29.640 have
01:42:30.920 all
01:42:31.680 the
01:42:31.880 moral
01:42:32.360 and
01:42:33.000 historical
01:42:33.700 and
01:42:34.580 legal
01:42:35.180 reasons
01:42:36.400 for
01:42:37.300 claiming
01:42:37.800 white
01:42:38.280 South
01:42:38.660 Africa
01:42:39.220 but
01:42:41.000 it's
01:42:41.360 actually
01:42:41.800 still
01:42:42.260 then
01:42:42.580 not
01:42:42.900 that
01:42:43.220 easy
01:42:43.660 we
01:42:45.340 need
01:42:45.680 to
01:42:45.900 have
01:42:46.220 the
01:42:46.440 power
01:42:47.020 to
01:42:47.560 take
01:42:47.880 it
01:42:48.060 back
01:42:48.440 we
01:42:50.780 could
01:42:51.100 have
01:42:51.340 prevented
01:42:51.920 this
01:42:52.300 from
01:42:52.560 happening
01:42:53.080 but
01:42:53.960 we
01:42:54.200 were
01:42:54.620 so
01:42:55.640 indoctrinated
01:42:56.540 we
01:42:56.880 didn't
01:42:57.260 see
01:42:57.580 it
01:42:57.800 coming
01:42:58.160 so
01:42:59.500 even
01:42:59.840 though
01:43:00.160 we
01:43:00.400 have
01:43:00.700 all
01:43:01.120 the
01:43:01.300 reasons
01:43:01.680 to
01:43:02.280 claim
01:43:02.620 it
01:43:02.900 we
01:43:03.860 will
01:43:04.080 eventually
01:43:04.600 have
01:43:05.140 to
01:43:05.440 take
01:43:06.080 it
01:43:06.260 back
01:43:06.560 physically
01:43:07.220 yes
01:43:09.960 by
01:43:10.260 asking
01:43:10.760 for it
01:43:11.260 in a
01:43:11.500 nice
01:43:11.820 way
01:43:12.220 to
01:43:13.060 our
01:43:13.320 benevolent
01:43:13.920 overlords
01:43:14.880 and telling
01:43:15.260 them that
01:43:15.700 we would
01:43:16.100 really like
01:43:16.780 to have
01:43:17.080 it
01:43:17.200 back
01:43:17.460 and
01:43:18.320 you
01:43:18.980 know
01:43:19.280 we'll
01:43:19.840 do
01:43:20.000 everything
01:43:20.420 that
01:43:20.680 coincides
01:43:21.280 with
01:43:21.440 international
01:43:22.040 law
01:43:22.520 and
01:43:23.120 so
01:43:23.380 on
01:43:23.820 but
01:43:24.860 in
01:43:25.020 any
01:43:25.180 way
01:43:25.320 I
01:43:25.640 I
01:43:26.420 just
01:43:26.560 want
01:43:26.680 to
01:43:26.840 say
01:43:27.080 no
01:43:27.460 no
01:43:27.600 it's
01:43:27.760 okay
01:43:27.960 Johannes
01:43:28.280 I
01:43:28.480 wasn't
01:43:28.700 sure
01:43:28.860 if
01:43:28.980 we
01:43:29.080 could
01:43:29.180 maybe
01:43:29.340 skip
01:43:29.560 to
01:43:29.720 radio
01:43:30.180 for a
01:43:30.920 bit
01:43:31.060 because
01:43:31.180 we
01:43:31.280 brought
01:43:31.460 him
01:43:31.600 up
01:43:31.820 as
01:43:32.120 a
01:43:32.260 kind
01:43:32.440 of
01:43:32.560 American
01:43:33.820 representative
01:43:34.360 in
01:43:34.600 addition
01:43:34.840 to
01:43:35.040 Frank
01:43:35.360 obviously
01:43:35.820 I
01:43:37.080 don't
01:43:37.260 know
01:43:37.340 if
01:43:37.440 you
01:43:37.500 had
01:43:37.640 anything
01:43:37.940 else
01:43:38.160 you
01:43:38.260 wanted
01:43:38.420 to
01:43:38.600 talk
01:43:38.840 to
01:43:39.220 Dr.
01:43:40.340 Tutui
01:43:40.780 about
01:43:41.200 in
01:43:41.640 that
01:43:41.820 regard
01:43:42.100 or
01:43:42.400 can
01:43:42.920 we
01:43:43.020 let
01:43:43.160 radio
01:43:43.460 go
01:43:43.660 ahead
01:43:52.520 yeah
01:43:53.740 thanks
01:43:53.940 for
01:43:54.080 having
01:43:54.260 me
01:43:54.420 up
01:43:54.660 I
01:43:55.040 think
01:43:55.220 I
01:43:55.380 have
01:43:55.500 kind
01:43:55.680 of
01:43:55.740 a
01:43:55.880 general
01:43:56.320 South
01:43:58.000 African
01:43:58.320 question
01:43:58.740 either
01:43:59.100 Johannes
01:44:01.520 or
01:44:01.840 Liliana
01:44:02.260 can
01:44:02.580 take
01:44:03.380 this
01:44:03.600 one
01:44:03.780 but
01:44:03.920 what's
01:44:04.220 preventing
01:44:04.680 South
01:44:05.620 Africans
01:44:06.080 from
01:44:06.660 trying
01:44:07.720 to
01:44:08.000 really
01:44:08.460 kind
01:44:08.880 of
01:44:08.980 reverse
01:44:09.400 stem
01:44:09.680 the
01:44:09.880 tide
01:44:10.220 of
01:44:10.440 the
01:44:10.720 dispossession
01:44:12.680 of
01:44:12.880 land
01:44:13.240 and
01:44:13.480 all
01:44:13.800 the
01:44:13.960 rights
01:44:14.360 and
01:44:15.480 maybe
01:44:15.880 apply
01:44:16.240 for
01:44:16.460 some
01:44:16.660 sort
01:44:16.880 of
01:44:16.980 minority
01:44:17.320 status
01:44:17.780 I
01:44:17.920 mean
01:44:18.020 this
01:44:18.180 is
01:44:18.300 taking
01:44:18.580 a
01:44:18.800 page
01:44:19.120 out
01:44:19.280 of
01:44:19.360 the
01:44:19.480 communist
01:44:19.980 Negro 0.99
01:44:21.220 Jewry
01:44:21.880 playbook
01:44:22.520 of
01:44:23.620 trying
01:44:24.100 to
01:44:24.300 get
01:44:24.480 some
01:44:24.720 actual
01:44:25.140 protections
01:44:25.920 because 0.97
01:44:27.380 whites 0.98
01:44:28.020 are 0.94
01:44:28.480 a
01:44:28.800 minority
01:44:29.220 in
01:44:29.900 South
01:44:30.100 Africa
01:44:30.480 so
01:44:31.300 it's
01:44:31.580 right
01:44:31.820 now
01:44:32.020 it's
01:44:32.220 the
01:44:32.340 literal
01:44:32.560 opposite
01:44:33.060 it's
01:44:33.820 it's
01:44:34.420 a
01:44:34.540 persecution
01:44:35.160 regime
01:44:35.680 but
01:44:36.480 what's
01:44:36.760 preventing
01:44:37.200 I mean
01:44:37.640 it's
01:44:38.160 not
01:44:38.480 might
01:44:40.140 not
01:44:40.320 be
01:44:40.440 the
01:44:40.620 most
01:44:41.080 optical
01:44:42.500 solution
01:44:43.100 to
01:44:43.620 come
01:44:43.840 off
01:44:44.020 as a
01:44:44.280 persecuted
01:44:44.980 minority
01:44:45.440 but
01:44:46.340 couldn't
01:44:46.720 that
01:44:46.900 be
01:44:47.100 used
01:44:47.620 and
01:44:48.220 it
01:44:48.640 would
01:44:49.000 be
01:44:49.320 a
01:44:50.060 glaring 0.68
01:44:50.380 double
01:44:50.700 standard
01:44:51.140 if you
01:44:51.600 were
01:44:51.780 to
01:44:51.960 not
01:44:52.260 get
01:44:52.540 that
01:44:52.840 does
01:44:53.620 that
01:44:53.760 make
01:44:53.900 sense
01:44:54.340 I was
01:44:55.020 sort
01:44:55.240 of
01:44:55.340 curious
01:44:55.740 on
01:44:56.100 that
01:44:56.480 as
01:44:56.700 sort
01:44:56.900 of
01:44:57.000 a
01:44:57.140 viable
01:44:57.540 strategy
01:44:58.980 to
01:44:59.500 empower
01:45:00.880 whites
01:45:01.240 in
01:45:01.380 South
01:45:01.620 Africa
01:45:02.060 is
01:45:03.000 that
01:45:03.320 something
01:45:03.660 that's
01:45:03.940 ever been
01:45:04.260 considered
01:45:04.700 or is
01:45:05.300 that just
01:45:06.060 like a 0.99
01:45:06.320 silly 0.94
01:45:06.480 question 0.84
01:45:06.900 I'm
01:45:07.360 not
01:45:07.540 sure
01:45:07.840 okay
01:45:09.300 okay
01:45:09.320 okay
01:45:09.340 so
01:45:09.640 that's
01:45:10.020 that's
01:45:10.040 a
01:45:10.120 good
01:45:10.640 question
01:45:11.080 I'd
01:45:12.020 like
01:45:12.260 Dr.
01:45:12.620 Mike
01:45:12.780 to
01:45:12.920 answer
01:45:13.200 it
01:45:13.420 but
01:45:13.880 I'm
01:45:14.200 going
01:45:14.360 to
01:45:14.460 be
01:45:14.860 for
01:45:15.740 bar
01:45:16.080 I don't
01:45:16.740 know
01:45:16.880 what
01:45:17.020 the
01:45:17.140 word
01:45:17.340 is
01:45:17.620 but
01:45:19.200 I
01:45:19.360 want
01:45:19.500 to
01:45:19.620 ask
01:45:19.800 I
01:45:20.040 really
01:45:20.440 want
01:45:20.640 to
01:45:20.760 answer
01:45:21.360 that
01:45:21.600 question
01:45:22.000 so
01:45:22.640 I
01:45:24.660 do
01:45:24.800 not
01:45:24.980 think
01:45:25.240 that
01:45:25.420 that's
01:45:25.660 the
01:45:25.780 way
01:45:26.040 liberal
01:45:27.740 organizations
01:45:28.480 like
01:45:28.780 Afri
01:45:29.060 Forum
01:45:29.340 they
01:45:30.380 want
01:45:31.520 to
01:45:32.440 reduce
01:45:33.580 us
01:45:34.040 they
01:45:34.820 want
01:45:35.160 to
01:45:35.520 have
01:45:35.900 minority
01:45:36.500 status
01:45:37.060 which
01:45:37.540 implies
01:45:38.320 multiracial
01:45:39.460 multiracialist
01:45:41.740 nation
01:45:42.420 state
01:45:42.820 or
01:45:43.040 non
01:45:43.360 racial
01:45:43.720 nation
01:45:44.640 state
01:45:45.040 so
01:45:46.540 I
01:45:46.800 do
01:45:46.900 not
01:45:47.080 think
01:45:47.360 we
01:45:47.540 should
01:45:47.780 bide
01:45:48.280 or
01:45:49.060 try
01:45:50.280 to
01:45:50.660 attain
01:45:51.260 minority
01:45:51.900 rights
01:45:52.480 I
01:45:53.180 think
01:45:53.420 we
01:45:53.560 should
01:45:53.740 focus
01:45:54.180 on
01:45:54.480 our
01:45:54.780 rights
01:45:55.160 as
01:45:55.480 a
01:45:55.620 people
01:45:55.960 and
01:45:56.660 we
01:45:56.800 should
01:45:57.000 reject
01:45:57.480 the
01:45:57.700 idea
01:45:58.040 that
01:45:58.280 we
01:45:58.440 are
01:45:58.640 a
01:45:58.780 minority
01:45:59.360 group
01:46:01.180 in
01:46:01.500 South
01:46:01.700 Africa
01:46:02.100 because
01:46:02.540 like
01:46:03.280 Jaap
01:46:03.540 Marais
01:46:03.880 said
01:46:05.540 we
01:46:06.380 are
01:46:06.760 not
01:46:07.300 a
01:46:07.620 minority
01:46:07.940 in a
01:46:08.360 group
01:46:08.640 we
01:46:09.140 are
01:46:10.560 not
01:46:10.800 a
01:46:11.020 minority
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01:46:12.040 a
01:46:12.360 group
01:46:12.660 we
01:46:13.340 are
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01:46:13.860 people
01:46:14.220 and
01:46:14.820 I
01:46:14.920 want
01:46:15.120 you
01:46:15.260 to
01:46:15.460 really
01:46:15.940 grasp
01:46:16.440 that
01:46:16.840 concept
01:46:17.460 we
01:46:18.120 are
01:46:18.340 not
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01:46:18.800 minority
01:46:19.540 within
01:46:20.360 a
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01:46:21.220 are
01:46:21.380 a
01:46:21.540 people
01:46:21.880 so
01:46:22.520 it
01:46:22.740 is
01:46:23.060 holy
01:46:23.620 to
01:46:24.280 be
01:46:24.480 disregarded 0.79
01:46:25.300 how
01:46:25.780 many
01:46:26.100 blacks 1.00
01:46:26.480 there
01:46:26.700 are
01:46:26.980 in
01:46:27.240 South
01:46:27.440 Africa
01:46:27.900 because
01:46:28.720 it's
01:46:29.380 about
01:46:29.780 who
01:46:30.260 has
01:46:30.580 the
01:46:30.780 rightful
01:46:31.220 claim
01:46:31.580 to
01:46:31.740 this
01:46:31.960 country
01:46:32.380 and
01:46:32.900 that
01:46:33.100 is
01:46:33.280 us
01:46:33.620 and
01:46:34.200 therefore
01:46:34.660 whether
01:46:35.300 whether
01:46:35.320 they
01:46:35.600 be
01:46:35.840 50
01:46:36.360 million
01:46:36.760 or
01:46:37.040 500
01:46:37.680 million
01:46:38.140 it
01:46:38.440 is
01:46:38.680 totally
01:46:39.880 irrelevant
01:46:40.460 because
01:46:41.260 it
01:46:41.460 is
01:46:41.620 not
01:46:41.900 their
01:46:42.160 country
01:46:42.580 they
01:46:43.160 are
01:46:43.380 an
01:46:43.560 invading
01:46:44.100 force
01:46:44.640 and
01:46:45.340 when
01:46:45.720 we
01:46:46.020 say
01:46:46.420 when
01:46:47.400 we
01:46:47.640 say
01:46:48.000 that
01:46:48.240 we
01:46:48.460 want
01:46:48.740 minority
01:46:49.300 states
01:46:49.900 that
01:46:50.680 means
01:46:51.020 that
01:46:51.260 we
01:46:51.400 are
01:46:51.580 appealing
01:46:52.100 to
01:46:52.540 the
01:46:52.780 powers
01:46:53.260 that
01:46:53.560 be
01:46:53.900 and
01:46:54.600 I
01:46:54.760 do
01:46:54.920 not
01:46:55.120 believe
01:46:55.480 that
01:46:55.720 that
01:46:55.920 is
01:46:56.080 within
01:46:56.360 our
01:46:56.600 destiny
01:46:57.080 I
01:46:57.880 believe
01:46:58.360 that
01:46:58.920 if
01:46:59.220 we
01:46:59.400 make
01:46:59.680 any
01:46:59.980 appeals
01:47:00.520 it
01:47:01.060 should
01:47:01.300 be
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01:47:01.800 our
01:47:02.140 people
01:47:02.700 and
01:47:03.320 to
01:47:03.500 our
01:47:03.800 creator
01:47:04.420 and
01:47:05.300 then
01:47:05.660 we
01:47:05.900 should
01:47:06.100 act
01:47:06.440 on
01:47:06.780 the
01:47:07.680 will
01:47:08.120 the
01:47:08.380 destiny
01:47:08.900 of
01:47:09.200 our
01:47:09.400 people
01:47:09.800 you
01:47:10.280 see
01:47:10.480 so
01:47:11.180 that
01:47:11.520 is
01:47:11.700 how
01:47:11.880 I
01:47:12.240 in
01:47:12.580 my
01:47:12.740 personal
01:47:13.160 capacity
01:47:13.820 would
01:47:14.520 approach
01:47:14.900 that
01:47:15.180 and
01:47:15.400 would
01:47:15.580 answer
01:47:15.920 that
01:47:16.180 I
01:47:16.360 don't
01:47:16.480 know
01:47:16.680 I
01:47:17.340 would
01:47:17.440 like
01:47:17.660 to
01:47:17.800 hear
01:47:17.940 what
01:47:18.080 Dr.
01:47:18.420 Mike's
01:47:18.880 answer
01:47:19.320 is
01:47:19.980 Johannes
01:47:23.240 I
01:47:23.740 agree
01:47:24.160 100%
01:47:25.320 with
01:47:25.560 you
01:47:28.360 there
01:47:31.700 you
01:47:31.820 go
01:47:31.980 that
01:47:32.140 was
01:47:32.260 short
01:47:32.460 and
01:47:32.620 sweet
01:47:32.840 answer
01:47:33.660 is
01:47:34.680 that
01:47:34.840 it
01:47:35.020 it
01:47:35.580 was
01:47:35.980 a
01:47:36.080 pretty
01:47:36.260 based
01:47:36.640 answer
01:47:37.020 I
01:47:37.160 mean
01:47:37.280 you
01:47:37.560 know
01:47:37.680 that
01:47:37.840 was
01:47:38.100 that's
01:47:38.420 sort
01:47:38.580 of
01:47:38.680 what
01:47:38.800 I
01:47:38.940 was
01:47:39.120 hoping
01:47:39.500 to
01:47:40.160 hear
01:47:40.440 I
01:47:40.860 was
01:47:41.320 that's
01:47:42.140 that's
01:47:42.540 why
01:47:42.900 I
01:47:43.520 think
01:47:43.720 you
01:47:43.880 garner
01:47:44.140 the
01:47:44.380 amount
01:47:44.660 of
01:47:44.820 respect
01:47:45.340 internationally
01:47:46.880 that
01:47:47.220 you
01:47:47.420 do
01:47:47.780 is
01:47:48.560 because
01:47:48.940 that's
01:47:49.420 a
01:47:49.640 it's
01:47:50.220 a
01:47:50.300 very
01:47:50.520 white
01:47:51.020 it's
01:47:52.080 a
01:47:52.180 very
01:47:52.420 Aryan 0.68
01:47:53.020 worldview
01:47:54.900 and
01:47:55.220 position
01:47:55.620 so
01:47:56.120 I
01:47:56.300 just
01:47:56.460 wanted
01:47:56.660 to pose
01:47:57.160 the
01:47:58.360 not as
01:47:58.640 if I
01:47:58.920 was
01:47:59.080 advocating
01:47:59.600 for
01:48:00.000 it
01:48:00.160 was
01:48:00.400 more
01:48:00.620 of
01:48:00.760 just
01:48:00.940 a
01:48:01.080 curiosity
01:48:01.600 and
01:48:01.820 that's
01:48:02.040 a
01:48:02.180 perfectly
01:48:02.920 acceptable
01:48:04.080 and a
01:48:04.420 very
01:48:04.580 white
01:48:04.860 answer
01:48:05.180 so
01:48:05.480 good
01:48:06.240 on
01:48:06.400 you
01:48:06.620 yeah
01:48:10.320 thanks
01:48:10.600 doctor
01:48:10.860 thank you
01:48:11.200 so
01:48:11.560 yes
01:48:13.240 thank you
01:48:14.380 very much
01:48:14.760 so
01:48:15.040 I see
01:48:15.640 we've
01:48:15.860 got
01:48:16.160 external
01:48:17.020 and
01:48:17.420 skull
01:48:17.740 mask
01:48:18.000 I'm
01:48:18.240 going
01:48:18.320 to
01:48:18.400 ask
01:48:18.700 skull
01:48:19.100 mask
01:48:19.400 to
01:48:19.560 go
01:48:19.700 next
01:48:20.040 because
01:48:20.700 he
01:48:21.300 is
01:48:22.060 new
01:48:22.360 and
01:48:23.740 then
01:48:23.920 we're
01:48:24.040 going
01:48:24.120 to
01:48:24.200 move
01:48:24.520 to
01:48:24.680 external
01:48:25.140 again
01:48:25.820 so
01:48:26.380 skull
01:48:26.680 mask
01:48:27.020 mask
01:48:27.820 ask
01:48:28.820 your
01:48:28.940 question
01:48:29.340 thank
01:48:30.580 you
01:48:30.660 brother
01:48:30.840 thank
01:48:31.580 you
01:48:31.720 base
01:48:31.940 maiden
01:48:32.640 poste
01:48:33.300 doctor
01:48:34.220 and
01:48:34.640 johannes
01:48:35.080 for
01:48:35.460 hosting
01:48:35.840 the
01:48:36.000 space
01:48:36.320 I have
01:48:37.520 a pretty
01:48:37.860 direct
01:48:38.300 question
01:48:38.900 about
01:48:39.560 the
01:48:40.240 political
01:48:41.780 goals
01:48:42.980 of
01:48:43.300 apartheid
01:48:44.000 in
01:48:44.620 the
01:48:45.040 earlier
01:48:46.160 days
01:48:46.800 of
01:48:46.940 its
01:48:47.080 conception
01:48:47.620 if
01:48:48.440 apartheid
01:48:49.200 was
01:48:49.500 conceived
01:48:50.120 of
01:48:50.520 as
01:48:50.940 a
01:48:51.220 permanent
01:48:51.760 situation
01:48:52.740 or
01:48:53.440 if
01:48:53.680 it
01:48:53.820 was
01:48:54.000 conceived
01:48:54.500 of
01:48:54.820 as
01:48:55.040 a
01:48:55.220 temporary
01:48:55.620 measure
01:48:56.260 that
01:48:56.980 had
01:48:57.440 would
01:48:57.860 result
01:48:58.380 in
01:48:58.740 a
01:48:59.080 more
01:49:00.100 eventually
01:49:01.540 down
01:49:01.880 the
01:49:02.060 road
01:49:02.300 would
01:49:02.480 result
01:49:02.960 in
01:49:03.280 a
01:49:03.520 more
01:49:03.900 dominant
01:49:04.740 white
01:49:05.200 population
01:49:05.900 in
01:49:06.660 South
01:49:07.080 Africa
01:49:07.480 and
01:49:08.160 it's
01:49:09.040 pretty
01:49:09.220 straightforward
01:49:09.620 so I
01:49:09.920 will
01:49:10.040 leave
01:49:10.160 it
01:49:10.260 there
01:49:10.440 and
01:49:10.620 thank
01:49:10.860 you
01:49:10.980 again
01:49:11.200 for
01:49:11.380 hosting
01:49:11.720 and
01:49:12.100 I
01:49:12.200 appreciate
01:49:12.480 your
01:49:12.740 time
01:49:12.960 doctor
01:49:13.280 and
01:49:13.760 you
01:49:13.900 as
01:49:14.040 well
01:49:14.180 Johannes
01:49:14.520 Europe
01:49:23.320 started
01:49:24.100 moving
01:49:25.960 out of
01:49:26.620 or rather
01:49:27.660 I should
01:49:28.100 say
01:49:28.360 the
01:49:28.560 Europeans
01:49:29.020 started
01:49:29.520 moving
01:49:29.920 out of
01:49:30.340 Europe
01:49:30.620 in
01:49:30.860 the
01:49:31.020 1500s
01:49:32.020 and
01:49:33.120 what
01:49:33.360 is
01:49:33.620 interesting
01:49:34.520 is
01:49:36.060 that
01:49:36.340 everywhere
01:49:37.640 the
01:49:38.160 Romanic
01:49:38.940 element
01:49:39.580 arrived
01:49:40.720 in
01:49:40.960 the
01:49:41.120 new
01:49:41.380 world
01:49:41.880 that
01:49:43.160 is
01:49:43.460 the
01:49:43.640 Italians 0.69
01:49:44.280 the
01:49:44.620 Spanish
01:49:45.120 and
01:49:45.340 the
01:49:45.500 Portuguese
01:49:46.000 they
01:49:47.760 mixed
01:49:50.140 with
01:49:50.420 the
01:49:50.640 local
01:49:50.940 populations
01:49:51.720 of
01:49:52.200 the
01:49:52.380 new
01:49:52.620 world
01:49:53.100 and
01:49:54.900 the
01:49:55.160 Germanic
01:49:56.180 peoples
01:49:56.820 that
01:49:57.600 is
01:49:57.940 the
01:49:58.180 Dutch
01:49:58.620 the
01:49:59.080 Germans
01:49:59.580 and
01:50:00.260 the
01:50:00.440 Indish
01:50:00.960 never
01:50:02.060 mixed
01:50:02.660 with
01:50:03.100 the
01:50:03.320 local
01:50:03.740 populations
01:50:05.400 so
01:50:06.660 apartheid
01:50:07.600 is
01:50:08.060 something
01:50:08.640 that
01:50:09.060 came
01:50:09.420 with
01:50:09.640 the
01:50:09.840 Germanic
01:50:10.440 peoples
01:50:11.080 since
01:50:12.480 the
01:50:12.740 1500s
01:50:13.920 in
01:50:15.460 South
01:50:15.780 Africa
01:50:16.400 when
01:50:17.620 Jan
01:50:17.860 van
01:50:18.080 Riebeek
01:50:18.740 arrived
01:50:21.000 at
01:50:21.220 a
01:50:21.400 cape
01:50:21.740 he
01:50:22.900 planted
01:50:24.140 a lot
01:50:24.760 of
01:50:25.000 trees
01:50:25.480 on
01:50:26.720 this
01:50:27.020 side
01:50:27.320 of
01:50:27.500 the
01:50:27.700 trees
01:50:28.120 which
01:50:28.780 should
01:50:29.760 live
01:50:30.080 and
01:50:30.920 on
01:50:31.140 the
01:50:31.260 other
01:50:31.480 side
01:50:31.820 of
01:50:31.960 the
01:50:32.160 trees
01:50:32.600 the
01:50:33.700 so
01:50:33.960 called
01:50:34.280 Bushman
01:50:34.980 and
01:50:35.420 Koi Koi
01:50:36.100 could
01:50:36.920 live
01:50:37.280 so
01:50:38.280 racial
01:50:40.040 segregation
01:50:40.680 started
01:50:41.700 in
01:50:42.000 1652
01:50:43.100 and
01:50:44.240 not
01:50:44.480 only
01:50:44.820 by
01:50:45.060 the
01:50:45.300 Dutch
01:50:45.660 but
01:50:46.580 also
01:50:46.960 by
01:50:47.240 the
01:50:47.480 British
01:50:48.000 when
01:50:48.800 the
01:50:49.000 British
01:50:49.480 took
01:50:49.900 over
01:50:50.260 Natal
01:50:50.720 as a
01:50:51.160 colony
01:50:51.540 in
01:50:52.340 the
01:50:52.460 1840s
01:50:53.580 they
01:50:54.580 started
01:50:55.040 introducing
01:50:56.020 all
01:50:56.500 sorts
01:50:56.940 of
01:50:57.180 racial
01:50:57.580 segregation
01:50:58.180 laws
01:50:59.120 and
01:51:00.680 when
01:51:01.820 the
01:51:02.040 two
01:51:02.260 Boer
01:51:02.620 Republics
01:51:03.920 was
01:51:04.540 founded
01:51:05.040 in
01:51:05.560 1852
01:51:06.520 and
01:51:06.780 1854
01:51:07.820 in
01:51:08.820 their
01:51:09.060 constitution
01:51:10.000 constitutions
01:51:11.860 they are
01:51:12.800 stating
01:51:13.260 that there
01:51:13.900 is no
01:51:14.320 equality
01:51:14.940 between
01:51:15.660 the
01:51:16.600 white
01:51:17.020 Boers 0.86
01:51:17.740 and the
01:51:18.500 native
01:51:18.800 populations
01:51:19.640 so
01:51:21.080 apartheid
01:51:22.640 or separate
01:51:23.540 development
01:51:24.320 or racial
01:51:25.200 segregation
01:51:26.060 is
01:51:27.800 something
01:51:28.240 that
01:51:28.640 Europeans
01:51:29.300 practiced
01:51:30.040 from
01:51:31.440 their
01:51:31.760 first
01:51:32.360 encounter
01:51:33.100 with
01:51:33.840 natives
01:51:34.340 in
01:51:34.600 the
01:51:34.740 new
01:51:34.960 world
01:51:35.380 it
01:51:36.340 was
01:51:36.720 everywhere
01:51:37.620 it
01:51:37.960 was
01:51:38.180 in
01:51:38.340 the
01:51:38.500 United
01:51:38.900 States
01:51:39.440 it
01:51:39.640 was
01:51:39.880 in
01:51:40.080 South
01:51:40.360 Africa
01:51:40.880 everywhere
01:51:42.220 sometimes
01:51:43.520 it
01:51:44.060 was
01:51:44.380 not
01:51:44.580 always
01:51:45.120 legally
01:51:46.000 framed
01:51:47.820 but
01:51:48.660 it
01:51:49.420 was
01:51:49.740 always
01:51:50.360 implemented
01:51:51.120 so
01:51:52.700 we
01:51:53.480 as
01:51:53.720 white
01:51:54.060 people
01:51:54.420 in
01:51:54.660 South
01:51:54.940 Africa
01:51:55.440 have
01:51:55.840 nothing
01:51:56.320 to be
01:51:56.860 to feel
01:51:57.460 ashamed
01:51:57.940 about
01:51:58.440 that's
01:51:59.600 how we
01:52:00.000 maintained
01:52:00.580 our
01:52:00.880 racial
01:52:01.260 identity
01:52:01.900 and
01:52:03.200 that's
01:52:03.880 how
01:52:04.080 we
01:52:04.500 maintain
01:52:05.020 political
01:52:05.600 power
01:52:06.120 over
01:52:06.480 South
01:52:06.800 Africa
01:52:07.340 thank you
01:52:19.400 very much
01:52:20.000 okay
01:52:20.440 external
01:52:21.380 extrapolations
01:52:22.700 thanks
01:52:25.080 thanks
01:52:25.100 thanks
01:52:25.120 again
01:52:25.320 johannes
01:52:25.700 well
01:52:26.760 look
01:52:26.900 i suppose
01:52:27.280 what
01:52:27.980 i'll
01:52:28.120 say
01:52:28.340 then
01:52:28.520 is
01:52:28.940 sort
01:52:29.740 of
01:52:29.960 like
01:52:30.440 in
01:52:30.680 answer
01:52:30.960 to
01:52:31.380 the
01:52:31.840 question
01:52:32.300 of
01:52:32.440 apartheid
01:52:33.040 or
01:52:34.020 separate
01:52:34.380 development
01:52:34.980 apartness
01:52:35.860 and
01:52:37.080 and also
01:52:37.420 really
01:52:38.260 getting
01:52:38.480 back
01:52:38.660 to
01:52:38.800 answering
01:52:39.120 in
01:52:40.220 my
01:52:40.380 own
01:52:40.560 way
01:52:40.760 then
01:52:40.960 or
01:52:41.120 putting
01:52:41.560 a bit
01:52:41.760 more
01:52:42.000 on
01:52:42.140 the
01:52:42.240 answer
01:52:42.480 i think
01:52:42.840 of
01:52:43.640 radio
01:52:43.880 waste
01:52:44.180 wars
01:52:44.440 question
01:52:45.520 regarding
01:52:45.980 like
01:52:46.260 i was
01:52:47.800 laughing
01:52:48.300 because
01:52:48.580 i was
01:52:49.540 about to
01:52:49.820 laugh
01:52:50.000 there
01:52:50.120 my
01:52:50.260 voice
01:52:50.500 like
01:52:50.700 why
01:52:51.520 don't
01:52:52.340 what
01:52:52.620 stopping
01:52:52.900 whites 0.97
01:52:53.140 first of 0.98
01:52:53.740 all
01:52:53.820 maybe
01:52:54.020 fighting
01:52:54.380 back
01:52:54.740 in
01:52:54.980 whatever
01:52:55.300 way
01:52:55.580 you
01:52:55.740 know
01:52:55.880 to
01:52:56.940 regain
01:52:57.260 their
01:52:57.480 territory
01:52:58.100 or
01:52:58.880 why
01:52:59.280 do
01:52:59.300 they
01:52:59.960 just
01:53:00.180 accept
01:53:00.700 their
01:53:00.920 fate
01:53:01.080 but
01:53:01.220 apply
01:53:01.440 for
01:53:01.600 minority
01:53:01.980 status
01:53:02.440 and
01:53:02.640 then
01:53:02.800 they'll
01:53:02.960 get
01:53:03.140 freebies
01:53:03.820 coming
01:53:04.060 to
01:53:04.160 them
01:53:04.280 and
01:53:04.440 i think
01:53:04.680 you
01:53:05.240 know
01:53:05.340 this
01:53:05.880 is
01:53:06.040 where
01:53:06.180 it
01:53:06.380 is
01:53:06.540 instructive
01:53:07.040 like
01:53:07.220 i mean
01:53:07.400 i
01:53:07.780 presume
01:53:08.240 radio
01:53:08.540 is
01:53:08.760 just
01:53:09.180 taking
01:53:09.460 one
01:53:09.620 for
01:53:09.740 the
01:53:09.820 team
01:53:09.980 and
01:53:10.120 asking
01:53:10.480 these
01:53:10.760 basic
01:53:11.040 questions
01:53:11.420 so
01:53:11.980 that
01:53:12.180 everybody
01:53:12.460 listening
01:53:12.880 like
01:53:13.160 can
01:53:13.400 be
01:53:13.600 clearer
01:53:13.960 on
01:53:14.280 this
01:53:14.460 and
01:53:14.680 look
01:53:14.860 i'll
01:53:15.100 tell
01:53:15.240 you
01:53:15.360 like
01:53:15.640 i'm
01:53:16.300 the
01:53:16.480 first
01:53:16.660 to
01:53:16.760 admit
01:53:16.920 i was
01:53:17.300 naive
01:53:17.660 a
01:53:17.820 naive
01:53:18.120 little 0.85
01:53:18.340 boy
01:53:18.560 for
01:53:18.720 so
01:53:18.980 long
01:53:19.220 of
01:53:19.320 my
01:53:19.460 life
01:53:19.660 thinking
01:53:19.980 that
01:53:21.340 everybody
01:53:21.740 else
01:53:22.000 was
01:53:22.180 like
01:53:22.340 myself
01:53:22.600 that
01:53:22.800 is
01:53:22.960 the
01:53:23.100 true
01:53:23.260 racism
01:53:23.640 by
01:53:23.860 the
01:53:23.920 way
01:53:24.040 to
01:53:24.160 assume
01:53:24.500 that
01:53:24.720 the
01:53:24.880 way
01:53:25.040 that
01:53:25.180 my
01:53:25.340 mind
01:53:25.580 works
01:53:25.920 and
01:53:26.040 the
01:53:26.120 way
01:53:26.220 that
01:53:26.340 I
01:53:26.420 perceive
01:53:26.740 things
01:53:27.080 must
01:53:27.360 be
01:53:27.640 a 0.97
01:53:28.180 mental
01:53:28.400 space
01:53:28.780 that
01:53:28.920 is
01:53:29.040 shared
01:53:29.240 by
01:53:29.420 more
01:53:30.120 or
01:53:30.220 on
01:53:42.460 to
01:53:42.680 first
01:53:43.000 of
01:53:43.120 all
01:53:43.220 why
01:53:43.400 don't
01:53:43.620 they
01:53:43.800 just
01:53:43.980 apply
01:53:44.220 for
01:53:44.360 minority
01:53:44.800 status
01:53:45.320 because
01:53:45.720 it
01:53:46.800 is
01:53:46.900 only
01:53:47.100 white 0.90
01:53:47.400 people 0.60
01:53:47.660 who
01:53:47.920 that
01:53:48.280 appeal
01:53:48.840 to
01:53:49.180 why
01:53:49.440 don't
01:53:49.600 you
01:53:49.720 look
01:53:49.880 after
01:53:50.280 these
01:53:50.700 small
01:53:51.300 downtrodden
01:53:52.660 or less
01:53:53.880 numerous
01:53:54.460 among us
01:53:55.140 right
01:53:55.340 any
01:53:55.760 other race
01:53:56.160 simply
01:53:56.440 would not
01:53:56.860 allow
01:53:57.280 any
01:53:57.840 foreigner
01:53:58.200 to live
01:53:58.520 among
01:53:58.720 them
01:53:59.100 whether
01:53:59.380 you
01:53:59.980 know
01:54:00.140 numerous
01:54:00.640 or
01:54:01.100 in
01:54:01.500 some
01:54:01.680 kind
01:54:01.840 of
01:54:01.940 minority
01:54:02.400 numbers
01:54:02.920 they
01:54:03.380 just
01:54:03.520 wouldn't
01:54:03.760 allow
01:54:03.980 it
01:54:04.120 and
01:54:04.220 they
01:54:04.380 certainly
01:54:04.760 wouldn't
01:54:05.060 say
01:54:05.300 oh
01:54:05.820 well
01:54:06.020 we
01:54:06.180 must
01:54:06.440 make
01:54:07.240 sure
01:54:07.400 these
01:54:07.620 people
01:54:07.840 eat
01:54:08.260 first
01:54:08.660 you
01:54:09.080 know
01:54:09.200 and
01:54:09.640 especially
01:54:10.280 if
01:54:10.500 these
01:54:10.640 people
01:54:10.840 want
01:54:11.060 to
01:54:11.180 not
01:54:11.660 work
01:54:11.940 but
01:54:12.120 have
01:54:12.300 children
01:54:12.640 well
01:54:12.860 we
01:54:13.060 should
01:54:13.260 supplement
01:54:13.660 their
01:54:14.580 income
01:54:14.840 and
01:54:15.100 maybe
01:54:15.440 even
01:54:15.660 provide
01:54:15.980 all
01:54:16.180 of
01:54:16.260 their
01:54:16.360 income
01:54:16.540 for
01:54:16.820 them
01:54:16.960 those
01:54:17.620 kind
01:54:17.820 of
01:54:17.900 appeals
01:54:18.280 to
01:54:18.620 minority
01:54:19.420 as
01:54:20.020 people
01:54:20.280 will
01:54:20.520 learn
01:54:20.820 if
01:54:20.980 they
01:54:21.100 don't
01:54:21.380 understand
01:54:22.040 why
01:54:22.440 South
01:54:22.660 Africa
01:54:22.920 is
01:54:23.280 the
01:54:23.420 warning
01:54:23.700 to
01:54:24.020 America
01:54:24.400 and
01:54:24.600 look
01:54:24.780 and
01:54:25.520 Europe
01:54:26.040 and
01:54:26.240 UK
01:54:26.420 and
01:54:26.620 everywhere
01:54:26.800 else
01:54:27.060 really
01:54:28.100 I
01:54:28.680 often
01:54:28.980 say
01:54:29.260 that
01:54:29.440 I
01:54:29.860 prefer
01:54:30.300 the
01:54:30.780 situation
01:54:31.220 in
01:54:31.400 South
01:54:31.520 Africa
01:54:31.680 because
01:54:31.940 you
01:54:32.020 don't
01:54:32.120 have
01:54:32.280 to
01:54:32.420 spend
01:54:33.380 too
01:54:33.760 long
01:54:34.260 to
01:54:34.840 explain
01:54:35.920 to
01:54:36.260 people
01:54:36.480 what
01:54:37.760 the
01:54:39.040 realities
01:54:39.500 of
01:54:39.880 life
01:54:40.200 are
01:54:40.600 and
01:54:41.000 the
01:54:41.260 difference
01:54:41.600 between
01:54:41.900 races
01:54:42.200 are
01:54:42.400 even
01:54:43.040 somebody
01:54:43.340 who
01:54:43.460 identifies
01:54:43.860 as
01:54:44.200 a
01:54:44.420 liberal
01:54:44.700 or
01:54:45.160 as
01:54:45.900 a
01:54:46.260 sort
01:54:46.800 of
01:54:46.920 a
01:54:47.040 Democrat
01:54:47.380 type
01:54:47.920 of
01:54:48.100 person
01:54:48.600 in
01:54:49.320 South
01:54:49.600 Africa
01:54:49.880 or
01:54:50.100 a
01:54:50.260 left
01:54:50.500 leaning
01:54:50.760 type
01:54:51.020 of
01:54:51.140 person
01:54:51.400 in
01:54:51.520 that
01:54:51.660 way
01:54:51.900 they're
01:54:52.600 still
01:54:52.840 racist
01:54:53.200 enough
01:54:53.520 to
01:54:53.700 understand
01:54:54.260 that 0.92
01:54:54.780 black
01:54:55.240 people 0.97
01:54:55.440 present
01:54:55.840 danger
01:54:56.300 to
01:54:56.500 them
01:54:56.620 and
01:54:56.700 there's
01:54:56.820 no
01:54:57.000 point
01:54:57.300 in
01:54:57.420 appealing
01:54:57.800 to
01:54:58.120 their
01:54:59.120 sympathies
01:54:59.860 for
01:55:00.240 them
01:55:00.520 now
01:55:00.700 that
01:55:00.800 they're
01:55:00.920 outnumbered
01:55:01.500 so
01:55:01.980 that
01:55:02.180 just
01:55:02.380 simply
01:55:02.940 doesn't
01:55:03.640 work
01:55:03.900 and
01:55:04.280 it
01:55:04.780 will
01:55:04.920 never
01:55:05.080 work
01:55:05.400 and
01:55:05.840 if
01:55:06.300 there
01:55:06.540 are
01:55:06.740 any
01:55:06.900 naive
01:55:07.220 people
01:55:07.620 in
01:55:08.020 America
01:55:08.380 or
01:55:08.760 in
01:55:08.900 Europe
01:55:09.080 still
01:55:09.480 who
01:55:09.680 think
01:55:10.040 that
01:55:10.260 things
01:55:10.680 are
01:55:10.820 going
01:55:10.920 to
01:55:10.940 be
01:55:11.080 fine
01:55:11.500 when
01:55:11.740 we're
01:55:11.900 outbred
01:55:12.340 in
01:55:12.480 our
01:55:12.620 own
01:55:12.780 countries
01:55:13.080 because
01:55:13.320 then
01:55:13.660 suddenly
01:55:14.160 laws
01:55:15.720 for
01:55:15.900 the
01:55:16.000 minorities
01:55:16.340 will
01:55:16.520 apply
01:55:16.700 to
01:55:16.860 us
01:55:17.080 already
01:55:17.860 they're
01:55:18.080 telling
01:55:18.280 us
01:55:18.480 oh
01:55:18.720 no
01:55:18.960 doesn't
01:55:19.920 work
01:55:20.120 when
01:55:20.240 it's
01:55:20.400 white
01:55:20.560 people 0.87
01:55:20.800 because
01:55:21.100 just
01:55:21.520 the
01:55:21.680 same
01:55:21.840 as
01:55:21.980 other
01:55:23.640 races
01:55:24.040 they say
01:55:24.320 you can't
01:55:24.520 be
01:55:24.600 racist
01:55:24.860 whatever
01:55:25.520 rules
01:55:26.180 that
01:55:26.420 apply
01:55:26.700 they
01:55:27.020 don't
01:55:27.460 get
01:55:27.620 embarrassed
01:55:28.060 about
01:55:28.380 an
01:55:29.380 unequal
01:55:30.100 application
01:55:30.720 of the
01:55:31.040 law
01:55:31.260 or being
01:55:31.660 seen
01:55:31.940 as a 0.99
01:55:32.160 hypocrite 1.00
01:55:32.480 those 1.00
01:55:32.840 things
01:55:33.040 mean
01:55:33.240 nothing
01:55:33.640 to
01:55:33.880 them
01:55:34.140 and
01:55:34.720 it's
01:55:35.360 only
01:55:35.560 us
01:55:35.920 who
01:55:36.140 tie
01:55:36.680 ourselves
01:55:37.060 up
01:55:37.280 in
01:55:37.440 moral
01:55:37.800 quandaries
01:55:38.320 tie
01:55:38.540 ourselves
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01:55:39.160 ethical
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01:55:43.140 nobody
01:55:43.820 else
01:55:44.100 in
01:55:44.220 the
01:55:44.340 world
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01:55:45.780 us 1.00
01:55:46.100 dumb 1.00
01:55:46.540 whites 1.00
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01:55:48.760 need
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01:55:50.440 the
01:55:50.580 same
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01:55:50.980 as
01:55:51.060 they
01:55:51.140 treat
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01:55:52.340 alone
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01:55:53.680 people
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01:55:54.020 have
01:55:54.160 been
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01:55:54.560 a few
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01:55:55.120 here
01:55:55.260 before
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01:55:55.900 all
01:55:56.220 of
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01:55:56.480 appeals
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01:55:57.660 we
01:55:57.780 should
01:55:57.920 all
01:55:58.140 just
01:55:58.340 live
01:55:58.620 in
01:55:58.760 peace
01:55:59.160 and
01:55:59.480 we
01:55:59.620 should
01:55:59.740 all
01:55:59.880 just
01:56:00.020 treat
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01:56:00.380 the
01:56:00.540 same
01:56:00.820 all
01:56:01.220 these
01:56:01.500 appeals
01:56:01.940 to
01:56:02.140 some
01:56:02.320 meritocracy
01:56:03.700 they're
01:56:04.620 laughing
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01:56:05.520 believe
01:56:05.740 it
01:56:05.840 and
01:56:05.920 they
01:56:06.040 think
01:56:06.560 to
01:56:06.680 themselves
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01:56:07.340 fool
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01:56:08.020 white 0.70
01:56:08.220 people 0.84
01:56:08.460 if they
01:56:08.720 believe
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01:56:09.200 we're
01:56:09.380 sincere
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01:56:10.520 of
01:56:10.680 these
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01:56:11.320 to
01:56:11.600 some
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01:56:12.260 of
01:56:12.780 utopian
01:56:14.200 society
01:56:14.860 and utopian
01:56:15.340 ideals
01:56:15.860 are
01:56:16.300 just
01:56:16.520 so
01:56:16.720 that
01:56:16.880 we
01:56:17.060 destroy
01:56:17.440 ourselves
01:56:17.960 so
01:56:18.160 they
01:56:18.280 don't
01:56:18.640 have
01:56:18.820 to
01:56:18.920 expend
01:56:19.300 any
01:56:19.600 effort
01:56:19.920 in
01:56:20.220 doing
01:56:20.400 so
01:56:20.620 certainly
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01:56:21.060 physical
01:56:21.400 now
01:56:22.040 what's
01:56:22.320 the
01:56:22.520 physical
01:56:23.000 or
01:56:23.400 kinetic
01:56:23.780 type
01:56:24.040 stuff
01:56:24.280 I
01:56:24.860 remember
01:56:25.160 somebody
01:56:25.640 who
01:56:26.120 had
01:56:26.260 fought
01:56:26.560 in
01:56:26.880 the
01:56:27.300 Bush
01:56:27.520 war
01:56:27.800 maybe
01:56:28.000 fought
01:56:28.360 in
01:56:28.500 Angola
01:56:29.000 telling
01:56:30.140 me
01:56:30.380 that
01:56:30.560 he
01:56:30.700 heard
01:56:30.920 over
01:56:31.140 the
01:56:31.300 radio
01:56:31.680 and
01:56:32.820 it
01:56:32.940 might
01:56:33.080 have
01:56:33.160 been
01:56:33.280 an
01:56:33.400 American
01:56:33.820 report
01:56:36.240 from
01:56:36.760 America
01:56:37.160 talking
01:56:38.160 about
01:56:38.400 the
01:56:38.600 wars
01:56:39.240 fighting
01:56:39.640 the
01:56:39.820 communists
01:56:40.300 up
01:56:40.580 in
01:56:40.740 Angola
01:56:41.160 and
01:56:41.280 different
01:56:41.440 places
01:56:41.900 in
01:56:42.860 southern
01:56:44.540 of
01:56:45.340 Africa
01:56:45.660 not
01:56:45.960 South
01:56:46.160 Africa
01:56:46.320 but
01:56:46.500 above
01:56:46.840 the
01:56:47.320 country
01:56:47.540 of
01:56:47.660 South
01:56:47.780 Africa
01:56:47.920 that
01:56:48.800 all
01:56:49.220 of
01:56:49.380 South
01:56:49.540 African
01:56:49.760 troops
01:56:50.120 had
01:56:50.660 been
01:56:50.880 removed
01:56:51.460 had
01:56:52.120 withdrawn
01:56:52.560 and
01:56:52.820 they
01:56:52.900 were
01:56:53.000 back
01:56:53.480 within
01:56:53.800 their
01:56:54.000 own
01:56:54.160 territory
01:56:54.420 of
01:56:54.600 Africa
01:56:54.920 and
01:56:55.460 these
01:56:55.680 guys
01:56:55.960 were
01:56:56.220 sitting
01:56:57.820 there
01:56:58.500 exposition
01:56:58.980 knowing
01:56:59.460 the
01:56:59.660 enemy
01:56:59.900 were
01:57:00.080 about
01:57:00.260 100
01:57:00.480 feet
01:57:00.740 from
01:57:00.980 them
01:57:01.140 and
01:57:01.340 they
01:57:01.660 were
01:57:01.800 in
01:57:02.240 the
01:57:02.360 long
01:57:02.520 grass
01:57:02.760 going
01:57:02.960 oh
01:57:03.360 well
01:57:03.640 I guess
01:57:04.200 we're
01:57:04.360 not
01:57:04.560 here
01:57:04.780 then
01:57:05.000 knowing
01:57:05.520 they
01:57:05.700 had
01:57:05.800 been
01:57:05.960 betrayed
01:57:06.460 by
01:57:07.160 their
01:57:07.360 own
01:57:07.560 nation
01:57:07.860 as
01:57:08.020 well
01:57:08.180 South
01:57:09.180 Africa
01:57:09.480 had
01:57:09.700 also
01:57:10.500 agreed
01:57:10.860 yes
01:57:11.120 these
01:57:11.360 reports
01:57:11.740 were
01:57:11.920 correct
01:57:12.180 so
01:57:12.300 they
01:57:12.440 figured
01:57:12.600 right
01:57:12.780 we've
01:57:13.000 been
01:57:13.120 abandoned
01:57:13.420 left
01:57:13.680 our
01:57:13.820 own
01:57:13.960 devices
01:57:14.340 and
01:57:15.340 that's
01:57:15.580 how
01:57:15.720 soldiers
01:57:16.040 find
01:57:16.340 out
01:57:16.540 that
01:57:16.780 they
01:57:16.980 are
01:57:17.260 betrayed
01:57:17.600 by
01:57:17.800 their
01:57:17.960 own
01:57:18.100 nations
01:57:18.400 which
01:57:18.800 were
01:57:18.940 never
01:57:19.140 their
01:57:19.400 own
01:57:19.680 anyway
01:57:20.280 so
01:57:21.640 just
01:57:22.320 to cut
01:57:22.840 it short
01:57:23.140 now
01:57:23.360 the
01:57:23.980 reason
01:57:24.400 why
01:57:24.960 I
01:57:25.280 suppose
01:57:25.700 maybe
01:57:26.040 that
01:57:26.660 all
01:57:26.940 of us
01:57:27.200 feel
01:57:27.440 not
01:57:27.720 just
01:57:27.900 in
01:57:28.020 South
01:57:28.160 Africa
01:57:28.380 but
01:57:28.560 any
01:57:28.700 of
01:57:28.780 us
01:57:28.880 who
01:57:28.980 have
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01:57:29.600 head 0.90
01:57:29.740 screwed 0.78
01:57:29.940 on 0.69
01:57:30.140 why
01:57:30.460 we
01:57:30.600 can't
01:57:31.300 maybe
01:57:31.560 feel
01:57:31.920 that
01:57:32.080 we
01:57:32.200 can
01:57:32.400 fight
01:57:33.440 back
01:57:33.800 and
01:57:34.020 regain
01:57:34.420 our
01:57:34.580 own
01:57:34.740 countries
01:57:35.000 because
01:57:35.200 we
01:57:35.360 know
01:57:35.660 I
01:57:35.920 suppose
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01:57:36.720 we
01:57:36.880 did
01:57:37.080 there
01:57:37.240 be
01:57:37.340 a lot
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01:57:37.560 hardship
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01:57:38.940 we
01:57:39.460 be
01:57:39.620 cut 0.93
01:57:39.840 off
01:57:40.060 from
01:57:40.180 the
01:57:40.280 rest
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01:57:40.580 the
01:57:40.680 world
01:57:40.920 the
01:57:41.100 free
01:57:41.380 thinking
01:57:41.640 world
01:57:42.040 there
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01:57:42.520 trade
01:57:42.900 with
01:57:43.020 a lot
01:57:43.580 of
01:57:43.680 starvation
01:57:44.280 and
01:57:45.080 then
01:57:45.440 also
01:57:45.800 if
01:57:46.360 that
01:57:46.500 didn't
01:57:46.700 work
01:57:46.960 we'd
01:57:47.540 have
01:57:47.900 all
01:57:48.200 those
01:57:48.440 wonderful
01:57:48.760 flying
01:57:49.200 machines
01:57:49.860 from
01:57:50.680 America
01:57:51.080 and
01:57:51.220 a
01:57:51.340 coalition
01:57:51.760 of
01:57:51.960 the
01:57:52.040 willing
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01:57:52.660 bomb 1.00
01:57:53.080 all 0.98
01:57:53.640 of
01:57:53.760 us
01:57:54.040 evil 0.99
01:57:54.760 racists 0.99
01:57:55.360 and
01:57:55.500 the
01:57:55.620 world
01:57:55.860 will
01:57:56.040 clap
01:57:56.360 because
01:57:56.580 everybody
01:57:57.020 then
01:57:57.320 stood
01:57:57.600 up
01:57:57.760 and
01:57:57.900 we're
01:57:58.660 all
01:57:58.860 the
01:57:59.060 same
01:57:59.400 and
01:57:59.520 how
01:57:59.680 dare
01:57:59.980 some
01:58:00.160 of
01:58:00.240 those
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01:58:00.500 people 0.86
01:58:00.680 just
01:58:09.620 things
01:58:09.840 I
01:58:09.980 better
01:58:13.000 pass
01:58:13.320 it
01:58:13.420 back
01:58:13.540 to
01:58:13.640 the
01:58:13.720 host
01:58:13.920 so
01:58:14.040 I
01:58:14.060 don't
01:58:14.180 see
01:58:14.320 any
01:58:14.460 hands
01:58:14.760 well
01:58:17.260 yeah
01:58:17.760 that
01:58:18.240 makes
01:58:19.120 perfect
01:58:19.520 sense
01:58:19.920 so
01:58:20.340 we
01:58:21.020 are
01:58:21.300 coming
01:58:21.620 up
01:58:21.840 to
01:58:21.980 the
01:58:22.160 second
01:58:22.640 hour
01:58:23.280 of
01:58:23.700 this
01:58:24.160 space
01:58:24.740 Dr.
01:58:28.640 Mike
01:58:28.900 would you
01:58:29.300 like to
01:58:29.680 keep
01:58:29.860 going
01:58:30.300 for
01:58:31.000 a
01:58:31.860 little
01:58:32.060 bit
01:58:32.700 more
01:58:33.100 or
01:58:33.420 would
01:58:33.600 you
01:58:33.700 like
01:58:33.940 us
01:58:34.120 to
01:58:34.280 wrap
01:58:34.500 this
01:58:34.780 up
01:58:35.100 no
01:58:38.540 I'm
01:58:39.060 wide
01:58:39.420 awake
01:58:39.860 I
01:58:40.200 will
01:58:40.460 carry
01:58:40.880 on
01:58:41.220 I
01:58:42.620 would
01:58:42.820 just
01:58:43.100 like
01:58:43.420 to
01:58:43.740 add
01:58:44.300 to
01:58:44.660 the
01:58:44.900 previous
01:58:45.460 speaker
01:58:46.200 we
01:58:47.160 have
01:58:47.420 just
01:58:47.780 one
01:58:48.140 responsibility
01:58:48.980 and
01:58:50.120 that
01:58:50.360 is
01:58:50.540 to
01:58:50.720 our
01:58:51.000 own
01:58:51.300 people
01:58:51.760 we
01:58:52.680 are
01:58:52.900 not
01:58:53.160 there
01:58:53.440 to
01:58:53.680 feed
01:58:54.000 the
01:58:54.280 masses
01:58:55.480 or
01:58:56.740 to
01:58:57.240 give
01:59:00.000 them
01:59:00.280 medical
01:59:00.760 assistance
01:59:01.420 or
01:59:02.740 to
01:59:02.940 teach
01:59:03.320 them
01:59:03.620 christianity
01:59:04.740 that's
01:59:05.920 all
01:59:06.260 lies
01:59:06.820 we
01:59:07.500 have
01:59:07.800 no
01:59:08.160 responsibility
01:59:08.920 to
01:59:09.360 them
01:59:09.660 we
01:59:10.260 have
01:59:10.440 just
01:59:10.820 one
01:59:11.180 responsibility
01:59:12.280 and
01:59:13.440 that
01:59:13.660 is
01:59:13.840 to
01:59:14.060 our
01:59:14.500 own
01:59:15.440 sort
01:59:16.000 and
01:59:16.400 our
01:59:16.680 own
01:59:17.020 people
01:59:17.500 and
01:59:18.100 our
01:59:18.380 own
01:59:18.740 children
01:59:19.200 nothing
01:59:19.880 else
01:59:20.420 amazing
01:59:22.660 I
01:59:23.200 couldn't
01:59:23.500 agree
01:59:23.740 more
01:59:24.100 sir
01:59:24.320 very
01:59:24.580 well
01:59:24.840 said
01:59:25.240 based
01:59:27.140 maiden
01:59:27.500 did
01:59:27.760 you
01:59:27.920 maybe
01:59:28.220 have
01:59:28.500 any
01:59:28.680 questions
01:59:29.120 for
01:59:29.360 Dr.
01:59:29.680 Mike
01:59:29.880 well
01:59:30.860 yeah
01:59:31.160 I
01:59:31.360 did
01:59:31.640 and
01:59:33.340 thank
01:59:34.500 you
01:59:34.640 for
01:59:34.820 your
01:59:35.040 time
01:59:36.240 and
01:59:36.400 your
01:59:36.540 generosity
01:59:37.120 today
01:59:37.600 I
01:59:37.980 really
01:59:38.240 do
01:59:38.580 see
01:59:39.440 you
01:59:39.620 as
01:59:39.820 a
01:59:40.000 treasure
01:59:40.460 Dr.
01:59:41.080 Mike
01:59:41.360 with
01:59:41.680 so
01:59:42.220 much
01:59:42.500 that
01:59:42.760 you
01:59:42.940 have
01:59:43.120 overcome
01:59:43.860 and
01:59:44.880 yet
01:59:46.100 you
01:59:46.420 retain
01:59:47.580 this
01:59:47.860 very
01:59:48.280 calm
01:59:49.240 demeanor
01:59:49.820 and sweet
01:59:50.600 attitude
01:59:51.120 considering
01:59:52.140 all
01:59:52.740 the
01:59:52.960 injustice
01:59:53.420 that
01:59:53.960 you
01:59:54.160 faced
01:59:54.540 and
01:59:55.180 I
01:59:55.680 wanted
01:59:56.000 to
01:59:56.480 ask
01:59:57.040 you
01:59:57.260 about
01:59:57.660 this
01:59:58.180 how
02:00:00.580 do
02:00:00.860 you
02:00:01.040 think
02:00:01.520 your
02:00:02.020 time
02:00:02.820 in
02:00:04.300 prison
02:00:04.900 changed
02:00:05.740 you
02:00:06.160 and
02:00:07.180 were
02:00:08.260 there
02:00:08.420 parts
02:00:08.880 of you
02:00:09.280 that
02:00:09.660 it
02:00:10.180 developed
02:00:10.700 that
02:00:11.160 you
02:00:11.360 weren't
02:00:11.600 expecting
02:00:12.160 for
02:00:12.660 it
02:00:12.820 to
02:00:12.980 develop
02:00:13.440 sorry
02:00:20.100 double
02:00:20.460 mute
02:00:20.800 there
02:00:21.100 you'll
02:00:21.480 have
02:00:21.660 to
02:00:21.960 unmute
02:00:22.500 again
02:00:22.740 there
02:00:22.980 we
02:00:23.100 go
02:00:23.300 thanks
02:00:23.600 Mike
02:00:23.900 when
02:00:26.040 I
02:00:26.240 was
02:00:26.500 a
02:00:26.720 child
02:00:27.220 my
02:00:28.360 father
02:00:28.980 was
02:00:30.660 a
02:00:30.880 yoga
02:00:31.180 teacher
02:00:31.760 and
02:00:33.260 he
02:00:33.620 teached
02:00:34.840 me
02:00:35.080 how
02:00:35.400 to
02:00:35.580 do
02:00:35.800 yoga
02:00:36.180 exercises
02:00:37.060 and
02:00:37.460 how
02:00:37.660 to
02:00:37.880 meditate
02:00:38.340 and
02:00:39.940 while
02:00:40.740 in
02:00:41.000 prison
02:00:41.400 I
02:00:41.680 did
02:00:41.920 that
02:00:42.180 a
02:00:42.400 lot
02:00:42.680 and
02:00:43.220 I
02:00:43.520 quickly
02:00:44.360 discovered
02:00:45.020 that
02:00:46.300 I
02:00:46.980 could
02:00:47.340 at
02:00:48.000 all
02:00:48.300 times
02:00:48.920 be
02:00:49.580 myself
02:00:50.240 maintain
02:00:50.860 myself
02:00:51.580 keep
02:00:52.000 my
02:00:52.380 keep
02:00:53.180 myself
02:00:53.840 under
02:00:54.200 control
02:00:54.800 while
02:00:55.120 that
02:00:55.380 was
02:00:55.640 a
02:00:55.800 very
02:00:56.020 big
02:00:56.300 problem
02:00:56.740 with
02:00:57.020 everybody
02:00:57.460 else
02:00:58.120 and
02:00:59.120 that
02:00:59.360 is
02:00:59.540 because
02:00:59.960 I
02:01:00.420 exercised
02:01:01.500 every
02:01:01.900 night
02:01:02.260 I
02:01:02.500 meditated
02:01:03.140 every
02:01:03.580 night
02:01:04.060 so
02:01:05.020 that
02:01:05.340 the
02:01:05.600 time
02:01:05.940 in
02:01:06.160 prison
02:01:06.520 didn't
02:01:06.980 really
02:01:07.460 alter
02:01:08.440 me
02:01:08.840 psychologically
02:01:10.280 or
02:01:12.480 in
02:01:13.020 any
02:01:13.700 other
02:01:14.040 way
02:01:14.440 in
02:01:15.600 actual
02:01:15.960 fact
02:01:16.320 as I
02:01:16.800 pointed
02:01:17.280 out
02:01:17.660 earlier
02:01:18.240 it
02:01:20.720 prevented
02:01:21.680 me
02:01:22.020 from
02:01:22.300 running
02:01:22.680 around
02:01:23.120 forcing
02:01:24.580 me
02:01:25.000 to
02:01:25.360 do
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02:02:01.260 story
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02:03:35.460 love
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02:04:34.860 Spengler
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02:05:23.640 boy
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02:05:24.620 sure
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02:05:26.360 happy
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02:05:28.320 I
02:05:28.420 brought
02:05:28.580 up
02:05:28.760 Ananda
02:05:29.080 because
02:05:31.460 she's
02:05:31.800 from
02:05:31.940 South
02:05:32.180 Africa
02:05:32.480 but
02:05:32.660 if
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02:05:32.960 to
02:05:33.080 speak
02:05:33.380 maybe
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02:05:34.560 we
02:05:34.680 know
02:05:34.920 yeah
02:05:35.740 okay
02:05:36.040 so
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02:05:36.380 go
02:05:36.540 ahead
02:05:36.800 Abrahamic
02:05:37.840 and
02:05:37.860 then
02:05:38.080 yeah
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02:05:40.060 go ahead
02:05:40.500 and then
02:05:40.800 we'll
02:05:41.060 go with
02:05:41.420 Ananda
02:05:41.780 I
02:05:43.080 just
02:05:43.280 want
02:05:43.440 to
02:05:43.540 say
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02:05:44.380 my
02:05:44.600 ears
02:05:45.060 thank
02:05:46.240 you
02:05:46.360 so
02:05:46.560 much
02:05:46.980 I'm
02:05:47.600 a
02:05:47.700 recovering
02:05:48.260 Abrahamic
02:05:49.260 aholic
02:05:49.840 Christian
02:05:51.080 myself
02:05:51.580 who has
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02:05:52.180 away
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02:05:52.680 the
02:05:52.840 faith
02:05:53.140 that
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02:06:06.000 into
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02:06:31.980 Africa
02:06:32.420 because
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02:07:19.480 prepared
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02:07:20.700 something
02:07:21.220 so
02:07:22.540 unfortunately
02:07:23.900 I don't
02:07:24.660 think
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02:07:25.220 going
02:07:25.440 to
02:07:25.840 mean
02:07:26.620 much
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02:07:27.220 you
02:07:27.520 although
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02:07:31.000 very
02:07:31.440 intellectual
02:07:32.100 very
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02:07:34.860 people
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02:07:37.260 mean
02:07:37.600 politically
02:07:38.240 anything
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02:07:42.080 your
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02:07:42.780 and
02:07:43.740 I
02:07:45.920 can't
02:07:46.220 wait
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02:07:46.580 this
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02:07:48.420 holy
02:07:48.680 war
02:07:48.880 to
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02:07:50.920 safe
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02:07:55.380 you
02:07:55.520 did
02:07:55.700 you
02:07:55.920 want
02:07:56.180 to
02:07:56.260 go
02:07:56.380 ahead
02:07:56.740 Ananda
02:07:57.280 hi
02:08:00.480 everybody
02:08:01.200 hello
02:08:02.800 so
02:08:06.080 I've
02:08:08.100 got a
02:08:08.380 question
02:08:08.720 because
02:08:09.060 we are
02:08:09.680 looking
02:08:10.040 to
02:08:10.440 leave
02:08:10.880 for
02:08:11.240 America
02:08:11.740 yet
02:08:12.780 I have
02:08:13.320 lived
02:08:13.580 abroad
02:08:13.900 before
02:08:14.360 I've
02:08:14.760 lived
02:08:14.980 in
02:08:15.200 England
02:08:15.520 for
02:08:15.860 six
02:08:16.180 years
02:08:16.580 and
02:08:17.620 yes
02:08:18.380 you
02:08:19.380 tend
02:08:19.740 to
02:08:20.240 assimilate
02:08:21.260 into
02:08:21.680 society
02:08:22.440 but
02:08:22.860 the world
02:08:23.420 will not
02:08:23.940 let you
02:08:24.360 forget
02:08:24.780 that
02:08:25.040 you're
02:08:25.260 South
02:08:25.520 African
02:08:25.960 what
02:08:27.060 I've
02:08:27.540 experienced
02:08:28.580 abroad
02:08:29.180 especially
02:08:30.520 is the
02:08:31.360 minute that
02:08:32.000 somebody
02:08:32.580 does find
02:08:33.620 out
02:08:34.000 you're
02:08:34.940 South
02:08:35.300 African
02:08:35.780 you tend
02:08:38.260 to always
02:08:39.160 be stuck
02:08:40.220 in some
02:08:40.940 form of a
02:08:41.820 political
02:08:42.280 conversation
02:08:43.120 when I
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02:08:45.660 I was
02:08:45.980 about
02:08:46.200 18
02:08:46.780 19
02:08:47.280 it was
02:08:48.620 very hard
02:08:49.440 because you
02:08:50.840 had to
02:08:51.220 explain yourself
02:08:52.180 away in
02:08:53.220 in a very
02:08:54.280 kind of
02:08:54.760 hostile
02:08:55.200 environment
02:08:55.960 and you
02:08:57.760 don't back
02:08:58.400 down I
02:08:59.140 didn't I
02:08:59.700 didn't ever
02:09:00.120 back down
02:09:00.760 because it's
02:09:02.200 very hard to
02:09:02.900 explain why
02:09:03.620 there's
02:09:03.900 segregation
02:09:04.480 because when I
02:09:05.480 lived in
02:09:05.860 London I
02:09:07.060 looked around
02:09:07.660 and I see
02:09:08.240 people segregating
02:09:09.280 everywhere
02:09:09.760 we tend
02:09:11.060 to all
02:09:11.600 flock
02:09:12.060 where the
02:09:13.180 food we
02:09:13.700 know we
02:09:14.940 eat are
02:09:15.840 the same
02:09:16.460 and the
02:09:17.160 music we
02:09:17.820 hear
02:09:18.300 yes we
02:09:19.240 like to
02:09:19.720 kind of
02:09:20.640 see different
02:09:21.340 cultures but
02:09:22.140 that doesn't
02:09:22.700 mean that you
02:09:23.360 don't revert
02:09:23.940 back to
02:09:24.400 yours
02:09:24.680 so I
02:09:27.060 don't know
02:09:27.700 if we
02:09:28.520 I don't
02:09:29.160 think we
02:09:29.580 will not
02:09:30.040 mean anything
02:09:30.960 over there
02:09:31.460 I think
02:09:31.940 we're going
02:09:32.300 to be very
02:09:32.800 robust
02:09:33.340 especially
02:09:34.340 because we
02:09:35.100 had to
02:09:35.420 face
02:09:35.880 the
02:09:37.220 adversity
02:09:37.740 we had
02:09:38.200 to face
02:09:38.640 here we're
02:09:39.040 going to be
02:09:39.300 thankful
02:09:39.660 for the
02:09:40.100 freedom
02:09:40.400 and the
02:09:42.320 safety
02:09:42.840 but I
02:09:43.860 do think
02:09:44.540 the cause
02:09:45.120 is very
02:09:45.620 stuck
02:09:46.240 deep
02:09:46.740 hard
02:09:47.340 in our
02:09:47.700 blood
02:09:47.980 my dad
02:09:50.160 used to
02:09:50.500 call me
02:09:50.840 far left
02:09:51.460 and then
02:09:52.660 recently
02:09:54.080 well not
02:09:54.540 recently
02:09:55.020 through the
02:09:55.540 years that
02:09:55.900 I've been
02:09:56.260 back
02:09:56.660 now he
02:09:57.600 goes you
02:09:57.960 very far
02:09:58.560 right and
02:09:59.080 I don't
02:09:59.400 think I'm
02:09:59.840 either
02:10:00.220 I think
02:10:01.400 I'm very
02:10:01.760 much stuck
02:10:02.340 in the
02:10:02.680 middle
02:10:03.020 of a
02:10:04.420 society
02:10:05.160 that
02:10:05.820 is not
02:10:07.480 understanding
02:10:08.180 it's not
02:10:08.740 about far
02:10:09.320 left or
02:10:09.740 far right
02:10:10.340 it is
02:10:12.440 what it
02:10:12.760 is
02:10:13.120 for every
02:10:13.940 culture
02:10:14.940 they can
02:10:15.740 stand up
02:10:16.260 and be
02:10:16.540 proud
02:10:16.960 and I
02:10:17.320 want to
02:10:17.540 be proud
02:10:18.020 of being
02:10:18.860 white and
02:10:19.340 Afrikaans
02:10:19.980 so I
02:10:21.380 don't know
02:10:21.960 if that
02:10:22.520 I agree
02:10:23.160 with that
02:10:23.680 because I
02:10:24.240 have lived
02:10:24.640 abroad and
02:10:25.160 had to
02:10:25.540 fight a
02:10:25.960 cause
02:10:26.260 and I
02:10:27.240 would gladly
02:10:27.740 fight for
02:10:28.320 South Africa
02:10:28.940 across the
02:10:29.580 waters
02:10:29.940 it will be
02:10:31.440 harder I
02:10:32.060 think inside
02:10:32.920 South Africa
02:10:33.700 to actually
02:10:34.340 fight this
02:10:35.040 battle
02:10:35.460 just
02:10:36.260 because
02:10:36.640 we're
02:10:36.920 so
02:10:37.080 little
02:10:37.460 and
02:10:38.400 then
02:10:38.580 I've
02:10:38.740 got a
02:10:39.000 15
02:10:39.360 year old
02:10:39.740 son
02:10:40.100 that I
02:10:40.920 can't
02:10:41.180 expect him
02:10:41.780 to fight
02:10:42.220 this
02:10:42.480 battle
02:10:42.960 no matter
02:10:44.840 how much
02:10:45.560 I would
02:10:46.000 want
02:10:46.340 that for
02:10:47.280 my
02:10:47.680 kids
02:10:49.000 and my
02:10:49.440 future
02:10:49.880 it's not
02:10:51.700 on him
02:10:52.100 it's really
02:10:52.860 not on
02:10:53.260 him
02:10:53.480 so I
02:10:55.040 feel that
02:10:55.720 a lot
02:10:56.080 of the
02:10:56.320 people
02:10:56.620 that's
02:10:57.020 staying
02:10:57.440 are
02:11:00.440 probably
02:11:00.920 the younger
02:11:03.820 ones will
02:11:04.280 leave
02:11:04.600 we need
02:11:05.040 work
02:11:05.420 we need
02:11:06.360 safety
02:11:06.780 we want
02:11:07.220 our children
02:11:07.700 to actually
02:11:08.260 have a
02:11:08.660 future
02:11:09.060 but the
02:11:10.140 ones that
02:11:10.620 are staying
02:11:11.260 is list
02:11:11.960 for this
02:11:12.360 fight
02:11:12.720 I can
02:11:13.760 hear it
02:11:14.120 amongst
02:11:14.420 the men
02:11:14.920 that's
02:11:15.880 above
02:11:16.220 45
02:11:17.480 50
02:11:18.180 they are
02:11:19.140 getting
02:11:19.400 ready
02:11:19.780 they are
02:11:20.260 really
02:11:20.540 getting
02:11:20.820 ready
02:11:21.160 they've
02:11:21.480 been
02:11:21.620 looking
02:11:21.920 after
02:11:22.340 their
02:11:23.600 families
02:11:24.280 struggling
02:11:25.520 and then
02:11:26.180 also
02:11:26.700 you kind
02:11:27.800 of become
02:11:28.260 criminal
02:11:28.740 in this
02:11:29.500 country
02:11:29.920 because of
02:11:30.560 the laws
02:11:31.040 we had
02:11:32.360 to dodge
02:11:33.000 and try
02:11:34.120 to survive
02:11:34.820 we had
02:11:35.840 to skirt
02:11:36.400 so many
02:11:36.920 laws
02:11:37.320 that we
02:11:38.120 are all
02:11:38.440 a bunch 1.00
02:11:38.740 of criminals 0.93
02:11:39.300 at this
02:11:39.820 stage
02:11:40.220 and that's
02:11:41.200 also going
02:11:41.800 so hard
02:11:42.960 against the
02:11:43.560 core
02:11:43.860 when the
02:11:44.780 laws are
02:11:45.300 criminal
02:11:45.780 yet you
02:11:47.640 are actually
02:11:48.300 stepping over
02:11:49.740 it every
02:11:50.160 day
02:11:50.520 so thank
02:11:52.840 you for
02:11:53.360 this space
02:11:55.680 it's really
02:11:56.160 good
02:11:56.480 it's really
02:11:57.080 good to
02:11:57.460 listen to
02:11:57.920 everybody
02:11:58.340 and we
02:12:00.660 hope to
02:12:01.360 be a very
02:12:01.740 good
02:12:01.960 contribution
02:12:02.600 I feel
02:12:03.840 like yes
02:12:04.440 in my
02:12:04.720 bloodline
02:12:05.200 I'm
02:12:05.440 Afrikaans
02:12:06.020 but then
02:12:06.440 there's a
02:12:06.860 part of
02:12:07.180 me that's
02:12:07.620 very much
02:12:08.180 secular
02:12:08.580 and if
02:12:10.080 I have
02:12:10.460 to choose
02:12:11.120 to which
02:12:11.760 history
02:12:12.740 I'll be
02:12:13.140 repeating
02:12:13.700 it won't
02:12:14.120 be the
02:12:14.400 last 30
02:12:14.980 years
02:12:15.420 I'll go
02:12:16.480 back further
02:12:17.180 than that
02:12:17.760 and I
02:12:18.080 will resettle
02:12:18.900 and re-establish
02:12:20.300 yet again
02:12:20.960 because we
02:12:21.520 can and
02:12:22.440 we've done
02:12:22.820 it before
02:12:23.320 and we've
02:12:25.100 got the
02:12:25.460 opportunity
02:12:25.900 to do
02:12:26.400 this again
02:12:27.020 so yeah
02:12:28.180 as a
02:12:29.580 South
02:12:29.800 African
02:12:30.180 coming over
02:12:30.940 to you
02:12:31.340 guys
02:12:31.720 I hope
02:12:33.000 we'll be
02:12:33.320 received
02:12:33.820 well
02:12:34.240 and yeah
02:12:35.980 thank you
02:12:36.460 for this
02:12:36.800 space
02:12:37.300 and thank you
02:12:38.900 meneer
02:12:39.220 the toy
02:12:39.680 perhaps if
02:12:44.120 I could
02:12:44.340 just
02:12:44.680 quickly
02:12:45.500 interject
02:12:46.420 so thank
02:12:48.460 you Amanda
02:12:48.920 for coming
02:12:49.520 on
02:12:49.820 Godspeed
02:12:50.820 when you
02:12:51.100 go to
02:12:51.440 America
02:12:51.860 carry our
02:12:52.500 cause
02:12:52.880 I
02:12:53.320 I understand
02:12:56.320 the sentiment
02:12:57.160 that a lot
02:12:58.360 of our
02:12:58.980 people don't
02:13:02.040 want
02:13:02.600 their children
02:13:03.600 to inherit
02:13:04.480 our struggle
02:13:05.360 but the reality
02:13:07.480 of it is
02:13:08.100 that we
02:13:08.640 inherited the
02:13:09.440 struggle
02:13:09.820 of our
02:13:10.860 forefathers
02:13:11.440 there's a
02:13:11.900 beautiful song
02:13:12.700 it says
02:13:13.740 this
02:13:14.060 the struggle
02:13:19.120 that our
02:13:20.320 fathers began
02:13:21.260 will continue
02:13:22.700 to
02:13:23.800 will continue
02:13:25.720 until we 0.94
02:13:26.880 die 0.98
02:13:27.840 or until 0.85
02:13:28.480 we conquer
02:13:29.060 so
02:13:29.480 yeah
02:13:31.100 please
02:13:31.920 if I could
02:13:32.980 make an appeal
02:13:33.860 to you
02:13:34.300 raise your
02:13:35.320 sons
02:13:35.780 as
02:13:36.940 inheritors
02:13:38.180 of the
02:13:39.100 greatest
02:13:40.260 struggle
02:13:40.800 that there
02:13:41.260 is
02:13:41.520 and that's
02:13:41.940 the struggle
02:13:43.080 for our
02:13:43.720 people
02:13:44.160 and for
02:13:45.340 a future
02:13:45.860 for our
02:13:46.420 people
02:13:46.800 do not
02:13:48.180 let them 0.55
02:13:49.440 succumb
02:13:50.620 to comfort
02:13:52.040 and the
02:13:52.860 pursuit
02:13:53.320 of so-called
02:13:54.040 happiness
02:13:54.460 I think
02:13:55.500 that's one
02:13:56.040 thing that
02:13:56.440 our generation
02:13:57.400 has fallen
02:13:58.040 prior to
02:13:58.660 and that's
02:13:59.280 the pursuit
02:14:00.000 of happiness
02:14:00.660 we should
02:14:01.880 not pursue
02:14:02.580 happiness
02:14:03.100 as an
02:14:03.460 end goal
02:14:03.920 we should
02:14:04.640 pursue
02:14:05.100 purpose
02:14:05.780 and a
02:14:06.480 destiny
02:14:06.860 and when
02:14:07.260 we do
02:14:07.620 that
02:14:08.040 even if
02:14:09.180 we face
02:14:09.780 any kind
02:14:10.420 of adversity
02:14:11.080 like
02:14:11.720 Dr. Mike
02:14:12.600 is such a
02:14:13.320 great example
02:14:14.440 of
02:14:14.800 then we
02:14:15.480 will be
02:14:15.820 happy
02:14:16.180 in the
02:14:16.840 adversity
02:14:17.380 but if
02:14:18.020 we pursue
02:14:18.600 happiness
02:14:19.080 as an
02:14:19.500 end goal
02:14:19.940 we will be
02:14:20.720 unhappy
02:14:21.300 in our
02:14:22.140 pursuit
02:14:22.600 and in
02:14:23.260 our
02:14:23.400 end goal
02:14:23.820 we will
02:14:24.180 be like
02:14:24.660 the
02:14:24.880 dog
02:14:25.860 that chased
02:14:30.040 the car
02:14:30.460 and when
02:14:30.980 he caught
02:14:31.560 up to it
02:14:32.040 he doesn't
02:14:32.900 really know
02:14:33.280 what to
02:14:33.580 do
02:14:33.700 so there
02:14:34.560 is that
02:14:35.000 thank you
02:14:35.880 for tuning
02:14:36.260 in
02:14:37.020 and yeah
02:14:38.420 raise your
02:14:39.000 sons
02:14:39.380 to be
02:14:40.020 boore 0.52
02:14:40.360 and to
02:14:41.160 return
02:14:41.540 like you
02:14:41.940 said
02:14:42.140 there are
02:14:42.460 many men
02:14:42.980 that want
02:14:43.840 this fight
02:14:44.380 I consider
02:14:45.260 myself to be
02:14:45.980 one of them
02:14:46.540 Dr. Mike
02:14:47.500 I'm sorry
02:14:48.180 for interrupting
02:14:49.000 or you know
02:14:50.340 jumping in
02:14:51.300 ahead of you
02:14:51.740 but please
02:14:52.560 go ahead
02:14:53.000 I just
02:14:57.760 want to say
02:14:58.380 I can
02:14:58.800 understand
02:14:59.440 quite
02:15:00.020 well
02:15:00.980 why Ananda
02:15:01.980 wants to
02:15:02.780 move out
02:15:03.460 of the
02:15:03.740 country
02:15:04.200 especially
02:15:05.660 if the
02:15:06.400 safety of
02:15:07.040 the children
02:15:07.800 is at
02:15:08.780 stake
02:15:09.200 I myself
02:15:10.540 also
02:15:11.340 children
02:15:13.420 that is
02:15:14.160 not
02:15:14.440 any longer
02:15:15.960 in South
02:15:16.440 Africa
02:15:16.960 so I
02:15:17.780 can
02:15:17.960 understand
02:15:18.420 that
02:15:18.700 quite
02:15:19.000 well
02:15:19.380 this is
02:15:21.160 now
02:15:21.540 from the
02:15:22.680 point
02:15:23.000 but I
02:15:23.380 would just
02:15:23.800 like to
02:15:24.260 mention
02:15:24.720 that our
02:15:27.220 Indo-European
02:15:28.200 forefathers
02:15:29.120 about
02:15:29.580 6000
02:15:30.260 years ago
02:15:31.160 lived
02:15:32.640 in an
02:15:33.380 area
02:15:33.800 let's
02:15:34.840 say
02:15:35.020 as
02:15:35.240 big
02:15:35.460 as
02:15:35.680 Pretoria
02:15:36.260 and
02:15:37.820 from there
02:15:38.300 they moved
02:15:38.900 out
02:15:39.400 all over
02:15:40.120 the
02:15:40.380 old
02:15:40.780 world
02:15:41.340 about
02:15:42.560 2000
02:15:43.200 years
02:15:43.640 ago
02:15:44.040 our
02:15:44.600 Germanic
02:15:45.280 forefathers
02:15:46.140 were
02:15:47.340 living
02:15:47.800 in a
02:15:48.640 area
02:15:49.800 in
02:15:50.840 southern
02:15:51.360 Scandinavia
02:15:52.440 north
02:15:53.400 Germany
02:15:54.020 that's
02:15:54.900 perhaps
02:15:55.280 even
02:15:55.620 smaller
02:15:56.120 than
02:15:56.440 Pretoria
02:15:57.060 and
02:15:58.020 all of
02:15:58.580 us
02:15:59.080 Afrikaners
02:16:00.720 Americans
02:16:01.580 the
02:16:03.220 English
02:16:03.820 the
02:16:05.340 Dutch
02:16:05.820 the
02:16:06.720 Flemish
02:16:07.340 all the
02:16:08.540 Scandinavians
02:16:09.720 the
02:16:10.120 Austrians
02:16:10.880 we are
02:16:12.040 all
02:16:12.280 coming
02:16:12.660 from
02:16:12.980 that
02:16:13.220 same
02:16:13.600 group
02:16:14.160 of
02:16:14.460 people
02:16:14.940 for
02:16:16.420 6000
02:16:17.100 years
02:16:17.580 we
02:16:17.820 could
02:16:18.080 maintain
02:16:18.600 our
02:16:18.900 identity
02:16:19.580 our
02:16:21.480 languages
02:16:22.040 might
02:16:22.660 differ
02:16:23.500 a little
02:16:23.980 bit
02:16:24.360 but we
02:16:25.140 are
02:16:25.340 one
02:16:25.600 and
02:16:25.780 the
02:16:25.940 same
02:16:26.180 people
02:16:26.860 so
02:16:28.020 for
02:16:28.240 somebody
02:16:28.780 going
02:16:29.220 to
02:16:29.520 America
02:16:30.120 or
02:16:30.940 Australia
02:16:31.580 or
02:16:32.080 New
02:16:32.340 Zealand
02:16:32.920 just
02:16:34.040 know
02:16:34.400 that's
02:16:34.820 just
02:16:35.100 another
02:16:35.700 group
02:16:38.000 of
02:16:38.280 people
02:16:38.740 that is
02:16:39.640 very
02:16:40.100 very
02:16:40.480 very
02:16:40.840 closely
02:16:41.360 related
02:16:41.920 to
02:16:42.220 us
02:16:42.580 all
02:16:53.320 right
02:16:53.600 posty
02:16:54.360 I think
02:16:54.580 Steve
02:16:54.900 Hansen
02:16:55.320 had
02:16:55.520 his
02:16:55.720 hand
02:16:56.020 up
02:16:56.140 and
02:16:57.180 then
02:16:57.400 extra
02:16:57.920 and
02:16:58.380 then
02:16:58.540 rune
02:16:58.780 master
02:16:59.080 and
02:16:59.280 then
02:16:59.540 rune
02:17:00.260 yeah
02:17:00.500 thanks
02:17:03.580 to
02:17:03.840 base
02:17:04.220 maintenance
02:17:04.600 and
02:17:04.800 posty
02:17:05.180 for
02:17:05.360 putting
02:17:05.640 this
02:17:05.840 space
02:17:06.160 together
02:17:06.560 and
02:17:07.340 Johannes
02:17:07.760 it's
02:17:08.100 always
02:17:08.300 a
02:17:08.500 pleasure
02:17:08.720 to
02:17:08.960 hear
02:17:09.140 you
02:17:09.340 speak
02:17:09.680 and
02:17:10.600 it's
02:17:10.820 a
02:17:10.980 pleasure
02:17:11.200 to
02:17:11.500 get
02:17:11.900 to
02:17:12.160 hear
02:17:12.700 I'm
02:17:13.540 sure
02:17:13.720 one
02:17:13.980 of
02:17:14.160 the
02:17:14.480 inspirations
02:17:15.340 for
02:17:15.600 you
02:17:15.940 Dr.
02:17:17.160 Mike
02:17:17.340 Dutui
02:17:17.680 so
02:17:18.000 thank
02:17:18.580 you
02:17:18.700 Mike
02:17:18.880 for
02:17:19.060 taking
02:17:19.320 the
02:17:19.500 time
02:17:19.760 here
02:17:20.020 I
02:17:20.860 had
02:17:21.380 a
02:17:21.560 similar
02:17:22.040 but
02:17:22.280 different
02:17:22.600 question
02:17:23.120 to
02:17:23.440 the
02:17:23.640 one
02:17:23.840 Abrahamic
02:17:24.500 asked
02:17:24.860 of
02:17:26.460 the
02:17:26.700 South
02:17:26.940 Africans
02:17:27.380 that
02:17:27.620 have
02:17:27.760 moved
02:17:28.080 out
02:17:28.340 of
02:17:28.520 South
02:17:28.800 Africa
02:17:29.260 do
02:17:30.120 you
02:17:30.260 expect
02:17:30.680 many
02:17:31.000 of
02:17:31.200 them
02:17:31.440 would
02:17:32.420 want
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02:17:33.020 return
02:17:33.540 and
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02:17:35.780 your
02:17:35.960 eyes
02:17:36.260 what
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02:17:36.980 you
02:17:37.120 think
02:17:37.400 would
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02:17:38.180 take
02:17:38.500 for
02:17:38.700 them
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02:17:39.640 return
02:17:41.900 a
02:17:42.920 struggle
02:17:43.460 erupting
02:17:44.660 would
02:17:45.320 that
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02:17:46.640 the
02:17:46.880 sign
02:17:47.180 that
02:17:47.500 many
02:17:48.060 of
02:17:48.260 these
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02:17:49.060 need
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02:17:50.360 return
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02:17:51.140 you
02:17:51.220 think
02:17:51.380 most
02:17:51.660 of
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02:17:52.480 wait
02:17:52.680 until
02:17:52.960 the
02:17:53.160 struggle
02:17:53.560 is
02:17:54.440 over
02:17:54.900 and
02:17:55.560 done
02:17:55.780 with
02:17:56.020 so
02:17:56.380 I'm
02:17:58.840 also
02:17:59.060 curious
02:17:59.540 Mike
02:17:59.880 just
02:18:00.460 given
02:18:01.000 you
02:18:02.120 know
02:18:02.300 that
02:18:02.640 you're
02:18:02.960 older
02:18:03.880 how
02:18:05.160 optimistic
02:18:05.880 are you
02:18:06.460 for
02:18:06.660 the
02:18:06.840 future
02:18:07.240 of
02:18:07.540 Afrikaners
02:18:08.340 in
02:18:08.720 South
02:18:08.980 Africa
02:18:09.360 Steve
02:18:13.020 I'm
02:18:13.560 very
02:18:14.220 very
02:18:14.660 very
02:18:15.040 optimistic
02:18:15.720 because
02:18:17.600 if you
02:18:18.060 are in
02:18:18.460 South
02:18:18.720 Africa
02:18:19.240 then
02:18:20.500 you'll
02:18:20.820 see
02:18:21.020 that
02:18:21.280 these
02:18:21.540 other
02:18:21.860 people
02:18:22.360 can't
02:18:23.220 do
02:18:23.380 anything
02:18:23.860 correct
02:18:24.500 they
02:18:25.220 destroy
02:18:25.980 they
02:18:27.220 they
02:18:27.720 just
02:18:28.440 can't
02:18:28.920 do
02:18:29.080 anything
02:18:29.560 correct
02:18:30.140 and
02:18:30.520 if
02:18:30.800 somebody
02:18:31.360 can't
02:18:32.420 maintain
02:18:32.940 himself
02:18:33.660 he
02:18:34.300 will
02:18:34.500 destroy 0.99
02:18:35.000 himself 0.97
02:18:35.540 and
02:18:35.760 that's
02:18:36.060 exactly
02:18:36.480 what's
02:18:36.900 busy
02:18:37.160 happening
02:18:37.620 you know
02:18:38.900 about
02:18:39.240 that
02:18:39.520 question
02:18:40.100 of
02:18:40.980 people
02:18:41.380 returning
02:18:41.880 to
02:18:42.140 South
02:18:42.440 Africa
02:18:42.940 I
02:18:43.820 can
02:18:44.060 answer
02:18:44.520 you
02:18:44.880 by
02:18:45.640 telling
02:18:46.020 you
02:18:46.400 what
02:18:46.940 Siener
02:18:47.280 van
02:18:47.500 Rendsburg
02:18:48.160 said
02:18:48.680 somebody
02:18:49.920 earlier
02:18:50.920 tonight
02:18:51.420 asked
02:18:51.880 about
02:18:52.240 Siener
02:18:52.600 van
02:18:52.800 Rendsburg
02:18:53.440 he
02:18:53.960 said
02:18:54.480 that
02:18:55.300 there's
02:18:55.620 going
02:18:55.860 to be
02:18:56.280 a
02:18:56.500 third
02:18:56.840 world
02:18:57.260 war
02:18:57.760 and
02:18:59.020 all
02:18:59.420 countries
02:19:00.020 in the
02:19:00.420 world
02:19:00.700 is
02:19:00.940 going
02:19:01.220 to
02:19:01.480 experience
02:19:02.440 experience
02:19:03.840 military
02:19:04.620 and
02:19:04.960 political
02:19:05.540 instability
02:19:07.160 to
02:19:07.680 the
02:19:07.880 extent
02:19:08.440 that
02:19:08.960 all
02:19:09.320 the
02:19:09.500 people
02:19:09.860 who
02:19:10.100 left
02:19:10.360 South
02:19:10.740 Africa
02:19:11.220 is
02:19:11.880 going
02:19:12.120 to
02:19:12.320 come
02:19:12.580 back
02:19:12.880 again
02:19:13.280 and
02:19:14.780 so
02:19:16.780 it
02:19:17.580 seems
02:19:18.060 as
02:19:18.380 if
02:19:18.760 very
02:19:20.380 very
02:19:20.720 very
02:19:21.040 great
02:19:21.480 problems
02:19:22.240 are
02:19:22.720 facing
02:19:23.120 the
02:19:23.380 world
02:19:23.680 within
02:19:24.000 the
02:19:24.380 next
02:19:25.480 few
02:19:25.840 years
02:19:26.340 and
02:19:27.060 that's
02:19:27.340 going
02:19:27.540 to
02:19:27.760 make
02:19:28.040 all
02:19:28.440 the
02:19:28.680 old
02:19:29.000 South
02:19:29.300 Africans
02:19:29.820 coming
02:19:30.800 back
02:19:31.120 to
02:19:31.320 South
02:19:31.620 Africa
02:19:32.140 and
02:19:33.280 not
02:19:33.620 just
02:19:34.260 that
02:19:34.720 you
02:19:35.040 also
02:19:35.420 said
02:19:35.900 that
02:19:37.120 white 0.61
02:19:37.720 people
02:19:38.120 from
02:19:38.420 all
02:19:38.760 over
02:19:39.100 the
02:19:39.380 world
02:19:39.820 are
02:19:40.260 going
02:19:40.500 to
02:19:40.700 come
02:19:40.960 in
02:19:41.240 their
02:19:41.440 millions
02:19:42.100 to
02:19:42.500 South
02:19:42.880 Africa
02:19:43.400 because
02:19:44.780 at
02:19:45.280 that
02:19:45.560 stage
02:19:46.100 our
02:19:46.640 struggle
02:19:47.120 will
02:19:47.400 be
02:19:47.720 behind
02:19:48.900 us
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02:19:50.420 we
02:19:50.660 would
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02:19:51.060 created
02:19:51.580 a
02:19:51.860 new
02:19:52.180 state
02:19:53.020 and
02:19:53.820 all
02:19:54.160 those
02:19:54.440 Europeans
02:19:55.080 will
02:19:55.800 be
02:19:56.040 so
02:19:56.340 impressed
02:19:56.920 with
02:19:57.180 what's
02:19:57.560 going
02:19:57.840 on
02:19:58.140 here
02:19:58.420 that
02:19:59.200 they
02:19:59.400 would
02:20:00.280 like
02:20:00.600 to
02:20:00.800 come
02:20:01.060 and
02:20:01.460 indeed
02:20:02.020 come
02:20:02.440 to
02:20:02.680 South
02:20:02.980 Africa
02:20:03.540 okay
02:20:14.900 I
02:20:15.200 think
02:20:15.660 I
02:20:15.960 see
02:20:16.160 we've
02:20:16.480 got
02:20:16.820 rune
02:20:17.440 master
02:20:17.860 or
02:20:18.280 maker
02:20:18.760 I
02:20:19.380 think
02:20:19.540 we
02:20:19.700 have
02:20:19.860 extra
02:20:20.880 than
02:20:21.420 rune
02:20:21.860 and
02:20:22.200 then
02:20:22.340 we'll
02:20:22.440 go
02:20:22.540 to
02:20:22.680 rune
02:20:22.980 yeah
02:20:23.140 and
02:20:23.420 then
02:20:23.520 I
02:20:23.620 brought
02:20:23.760 up
02:20:23.940 emerald
02:20:24.260 emerald
02:20:24.600 if
02:20:24.760 you
02:20:24.840 want
02:20:24.960 to
02:20:25.060 speak
02:20:25.280 please
02:20:25.480 put
02:20:25.600 your
02:20:25.720 hand
02:20:25.940 up
02:20:26.180 all
02:20:29.540 right
02:20:29.720 I
02:20:30.020 will
02:20:30.180 go
02:20:30.460 now
02:20:31.240 then
02:20:31.440 and
02:20:31.760 look
02:20:31.980 I
02:20:32.240 suppose
02:20:32.540 I'll
02:20:32.780 just
02:20:32.940 add
02:20:33.260 on
02:20:33.480 maybe
02:20:34.520 if
02:20:35.020 you
02:20:35.500 know
02:20:35.680 Dr
02:20:36.500 DeToy
02:20:36.840 is
02:20:37.700 willing
02:20:38.340 and
02:20:38.480 able
02:20:38.640 to
02:20:38.860 stay
02:20:39.120 on
02:20:39.300 longer
02:20:39.560 I'll
02:20:39.840 have
02:20:39.980 more
02:20:40.160 questions
02:20:40.540 for him
02:20:40.780 but
02:20:40.880 for
02:20:41.020 now
02:20:41.200 I
02:20:41.300 just
02:20:41.440 want
02:20:41.560 to
02:20:41.640 add
02:20:41.900 on
02:20:42.140 to
02:20:42.280 something
02:20:42.540 which
02:20:42.720 you
02:20:43.720 know
02:20:43.820 is
02:20:44.040 this
02:20:44.380 sort
02:20:45.300 of
02:20:45.420 idea
02:20:45.900 of
02:20:46.400 do
02:20:46.800 you
02:20:47.000 fight
02:20:47.380 or
02:20:47.740 do
02:20:47.980 you
02:20:48.200 take
02:20:48.680 flight
02:20:49.020 and
02:20:50.200 you
02:20:50.640 know
02:20:50.700 one
02:20:50.880 of
02:20:50.980 the
02:20:51.080 things
02:20:51.400 that
02:20:52.040 we
02:20:52.900 can
02:20:53.080 see
02:20:53.280 obviously
02:20:53.700 but
02:20:54.000 we
02:20:54.180 tend
02:20:54.420 to
02:20:54.560 forget
02:20:54.840 and
02:20:55.040 we
02:20:55.140 need
02:20:55.300 reminding
02:20:55.880 of
02:20:56.120 is
02:20:56.320 the
02:20:56.480 fact
02:20:56.720 that
02:20:56.980 well
02:20:57.920 the
02:20:58.460 there
02:20:59.340 has
02:20:59.500 been
02:20:59.620 a
02:20:59.780 retreat
02:21:00.340 going
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02:21:01.180 over
02:21:01.420 several
02:21:01.800 generations
02:21:02.340 and
02:21:02.940 you
02:21:03.880 know
02:21:03.960 we
02:21:04.080 can
02:21:04.240 certainly
02:21:04.520 say
02:21:04.720 there's
02:21:04.900 been
02:21:05.060 you
02:21:05.420 know
02:21:05.520 you
02:21:05.700 can
02:21:05.800 say
02:21:05.900 well
02:21:06.040 when
02:21:06.220 did
02:21:06.320 this
02:21:06.500 retreating
02:21:07.080 start
02:21:07.500 definitely
02:21:08.540 I
02:21:09.060 mean
02:21:09.180 it
02:21:09.320 wasn't
02:21:09.660 the
02:21:09.800 first
02:21:10.000 time
02:21:10.240 but
02:21:10.740 since
02:21:11.040 World
02:21:11.320 War
02:21:11.500 II
02:21:11.660 we
02:21:11.820 lost
02:21:12.120 that
02:21:12.340 war
02:21:12.560 and
02:21:12.700 we
02:21:12.780 been
02:21:12.980 retreating
02:21:13.460 ever
02:21:13.620 since
02:21:14.000 and
02:21:14.440 that's
02:21:14.740 not
02:21:14.900 the
02:21:15.320 start
02:21:15.560 of
02:21:15.660 it
02:21:15.760 but
02:21:15.880 that
02:21:16.020 can
02:21:16.140 be
02:21:16.280 seen
02:21:16.520 as
02:21:16.760 a
02:21:17.000 starting
02:21:17.380 point
02:21:17.720 to
02:21:17.940 at
02:21:18.100 least
02:21:18.340 locate
02:21:19.780 and
02:21:20.020 fixate
02:21:20.460 upon
02:21:20.880 for
02:21:21.780 a
02:21:22.180 way
02:21:22.820 point
02:21:23.060 in
02:21:23.180 history
02:21:23.460 and
02:21:24.540 so
02:21:24.820 there
02:21:24.980 does
02:21:25.160 come
02:21:25.300 a
02:21:25.420 point
02:21:25.800 and
02:21:26.360 I
02:21:26.460 think
02:21:26.580 we've
02:21:26.780 reached
02:21:26.960 that
02:21:27.140 point
02:21:27.400 where
02:21:28.840 there
02:21:29.220 is
02:21:29.360 nowhere
02:21:29.580 left
02:21:29.860 to
02:21:30.000 run
02:21:30.180 and
02:21:30.400 I
02:21:30.560 laugh
02:21:31.020 at
02:21:31.260 the
02:21:31.380 idea
02:21:31.640 I
02:21:31.780 mean
02:21:31.880 look
02:21:32.080 I've
02:21:32.200 spent
02:21:32.380 a lot
02:21:32.640 of
02:21:32.760 time
02:21:32.900 in
02:21:33.140 South
02:21:33.300 Africa
02:21:33.520 and
02:21:33.680 I
02:21:33.780 said
02:21:33.920 before
02:21:34.200 I
02:21:35.220 prefer
02:21:35.500 things
02:21:35.820 to
02:21:35.920 be
02:21:35.980 on
02:21:36.100 the
02:21:36.180 books
02:21:36.420 like
02:21:36.760 that
02:21:36.920 laws
02:21:37.160 against
02:21:37.480 whites
02:21:37.720 are
02:21:37.820 on
02:21:37.900 the
02:21:37.980 books
02:21:38.180 therefore
02:21:38.540 nobody's
02:21:39.000 confused
02:21:39.380 about
02:21:39.640 it
02:21:39.820 I
02:21:40.860 kind
02:21:41.240 of
02:21:41.360 do
02:21:41.520 like
02:21:41.820 that
02:21:42.060 you
02:21:42.620 know
02:21:42.760 for
02:21:43.020 corporate
02:21:43.460 policies
02:21:43.940 that
02:21:44.160 they
02:21:44.380 do
02:21:44.800 tell
02:21:45.000 us
02:21:45.120 oh
02:21:45.240 yes
02:21:45.460 we
02:21:45.600 have
02:21:45.740 environmental
02:21:46.160 social
02:21:46.720 governance
02:21:47.240 and
02:21:47.720 we
02:21:47.800 have
02:21:47.980 diversity
02:21:48.800 and
02:21:49.140 inclusion
02:21:50.680 and
02:21:51.280 diversity
02:21:51.800 equity
02:21:52.360 and
02:21:52.520 inclusion
02:21:52.820 and
02:21:54.020 I
02:21:54.160 kind
02:21:54.360 of
02:21:54.420 thought
02:21:54.560 everybody
02:21:54.980 had
02:21:56.020 control
02:21:56.700 of
02:21:56.840 their
02:21:56.940 own
02:21:57.080 minds
02:21:57.280 to
02:21:57.420 understand
02:21:57.860 that
02:21:58.160 of
02:21:58.360 course
02:21:58.640 they
02:21:58.840 think
02:21:59.080 up
02:21:59.220 these
02:21:59.500 lovely
02:22:00.160 words
02:22:00.700 for
02:22:00.920 something
02:22:01.260 but
02:22:01.440 if
02:22:01.600 you
02:22:02.000 call
02:22:02.220 poison
02:22:02.740 some
02:22:03.020 kind
02:22:03.160 of
02:22:03.260 magical
02:22:03.780 wonderful
02:22:04.400 tasty
02:22:04.920 elixir
02:22:05.420 and say
02:22:05.660 why don't
02:22:05.980 you have
02:22:06.240 this
02:22:06.480 it's not
02:22:06.800 poison
02:22:07.100 it's
02:22:07.300 lovely
02:22:07.560 the people
02:22:08.040 go
02:22:08.260 listen
02:22:08.760 you can
02:22:09.000 change
02:22:09.240 the label
02:22:09.660 on it
02:22:09.920 but it's
02:22:10.200 still fine
02:22:10.640 and now
02:22:10.920 I'm thinking
02:22:11.120 the 2020
02:22:11.560 it's
02:22:12.320 you can
02:22:12.680 change
02:22:12.840 the label
02:22:13.120 but it's
02:22:13.400 still
02:22:13.540 exactly
02:22:13.860 the same
02:22:14.240 thing
02:22:14.620 so
02:22:15.160 I'm
02:22:15.520 not
02:22:15.680 fooled
02:22:16.000 but
02:22:16.600 unfortunately
02:22:17.440 in 2020
02:22:18.040 you can
02:22:18.380 see that
02:22:18.580 most people
02:22:18.940 are
02:22:19.300 and some
02:22:20.340 people
02:22:20.540 still
02:22:20.780 kind
02:22:20.980 of
02:22:21.020 why
02:22:21.400 would
02:22:21.540 our
02:22:21.700 government
02:22:22.060 lie
02:22:22.360 to
02:22:22.500 us
02:22:22.620 and
02:22:22.700 this
02:22:22.800 kind
02:22:22.920 of
02:22:22.960 thing
02:22:23.060 so
02:22:23.180 some
02:22:23.340 people
02:22:23.520 I think
02:22:24.620 in
02:22:24.760 Europe
02:22:25.340 and
02:22:25.520 America
02:22:25.940 still
02:22:26.760 think
02:22:27.140 oh
02:22:27.540 yeah
02:22:27.700 but
02:22:27.880 our
02:22:28.220 government
02:22:28.500 would
02:22:28.700 never
02:22:28.900 allow
02:22:29.200 this
02:22:29.420 or
02:22:29.520 why
02:22:29.700 don't
02:22:29.860 they
02:22:29.980 appeal
02:22:30.260 to
02:22:30.380 our
02:22:30.500 government
02:22:30.760 to
02:22:31.000 intercede
02:22:31.700 on
02:22:31.880 behalf
02:22:32.200 of
02:22:32.300 the
02:22:32.380 South
02:22:32.540 Africans
02:22:32.840 why
02:22:33.260 isn't
02:22:34.440 Donald
02:22:34.860 Trump's
02:22:35.200 government
02:22:35.380 bringing
02:22:35.700 more
02:22:36.100 refugees
02:22:36.480 because
02:22:37.280 obviously
02:22:38.360 they
02:22:38.820 are
02:22:38.960 controlled
02:22:39.400 and have
02:22:40.160 been
02:22:40.340 at least
02:22:40.660 since
02:22:41.640 World War
02:22:42.040 II
02:22:42.200 by
02:22:42.360 people
02:22:42.580 who
02:22:42.720 don't
02:22:42.980 have
02:22:51.020 this
02:22:51.380 is a
02:22:51.540 reminder
02:22:51.840 to
02:22:52.000 always
02:22:53.380 examine
02:22:53.740 your
02:22:53.880 own
02:22:54.020 mind
02:22:54.220 I've
02:22:54.460 noticed
02:22:54.740 and I
02:22:54.980 think
02:22:55.120 it's a
02:22:55.360 common
02:22:55.600 thing
02:22:55.840 not just
02:22:56.180 with me
02:22:56.440 I think
02:22:56.700 it's a
02:22:56.980 fairly
02:22:57.240 universal
02:22:57.660 thing
02:22:57.900 to
02:22:58.020 white
02:22:58.200 people
02:22:58.440 now
02:22:58.660 that
02:22:59.340 we
02:22:59.500 allow
02:22:59.780 our
02:23:00.020 minds
02:23:00.380 to
02:23:00.640 fall
02:23:01.120 back
02:23:01.560 into
02:23:02.080 a
02:23:02.520 kind
02:23:02.920 of
02:23:03.080 complacency
02:23:03.880 things
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02:23:16.420 go
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02:23:16.840 god
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02:23:17.300 fine
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02:23:17.960 rest
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02:23:25.860 laugh
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02:23:37.260 that
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02:23:39.760 worse
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02:24:05.740 said
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02:25:53.060 us
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02:25:59.700 says
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02:26:17.140 I try
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02:26:18.800 the word
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02:26:19.540 as I
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02:26:20.220 the one
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02:26:26.940 call
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02:26:27.820 a white
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02:26:32.520 need to
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02:26:57.560 make
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02:26:58.500 white
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02:27:36.680 million
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02:37:56.240 never
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02:37:58.100 so
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02:37:58.980 said
02:37:59.280 Dr.
02:38:00.000 Mike
02:38:00.240 thank
02:38:00.560 you
02:38:00.680 for
02:38:00.820 that
02:38:01.040 insight
02:38:01.540 amazing
02:38:02.340 stuff
02:38:02.740 okay
02:38:03.280 so
02:38:03.880 let's
02:38:04.880 move
02:38:05.080 to
02:38:05.280 national
02:38:05.840 first
02:38:06.360 I
02:38:06.560 think
02:38:06.820 yeah
02:38:07.260 and then
02:38:07.720 go ahead
02:38:10.900 national
02:38:11.320 good
02:38:13.600 evening
02:38:13.940 everyone
02:38:14.340 hello
02:38:14.560 Johannes
02:38:14.860 I've been
02:38:16.000 listening
02:38:16.280 quite a
02:38:16.700 while
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02:38:18.100 space
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02:38:28.180 into
02:38:29.140 South
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02:39:45.540 happen
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02:39:51.140 must
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02:40:04.880 Mike
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02:40:05.720 go
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02:40:07.720 just
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02:40:08.380 say
02:40:08.640 I
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02:40:10.880 what
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02:40:11.340 have
02:40:11.540 said
02:40:11.940 okay
02:40:20.560 can I
02:40:22.860 speak
02:40:23.160 sorry
02:40:23.680 I
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02:40:35.980 feel
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02:40:38.120 Pretoria
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02:41:19.900 fine
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02:41:24.060 know
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02:41:31.800 is
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02:46:06.420 packs
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02:46:08.680 just
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02:46:11.680 miss
02:46:11.900 hands
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02:46:12.880 can't
02:46:13.180 see
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02:46:13.960 screen
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02:46:16.080 think
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02:46:18.980 don't
02:46:19.080 know
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02:46:19.320 anybody
02:46:19.580 else
02:46:20.080 had
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02:46:20.860 hand
02:46:20.980 Ananda
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02:46:27.180 I
02:46:27.700 know
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02:46:32.320 moment
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02:46:37.800 talking
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02:46:41.340 to enter
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02:46:54.400 forefathers
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02:46:55.560 to hush
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02:46:56.660 very
02:46:56.860 quickly
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02:47:00.240 battle
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02:47:03.720 kind of
02:47:04.060 battle
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02:47:11.760 to back
02:47:12.400 off
02:47:12.780 very quickly
02:47:13.940 because
02:47:14.300 clearly
02:47:14.700 our
02:47:14.960 forefathers
02:47:15.480 were like 0.94
02:47:16.060 animals
02:47:17.620 or I
02:47:19.000 don't know
02:47:19.260 what to
02:47:19.540 say
02:47:19.780 Vikings
02:47:20.660 or something
02:47:21.540 fierce
02:47:22.340 yeah
02:47:23.140 well the
02:47:23.580 propaganda
02:47:23.920 has been
02:47:24.820 really
02:47:25.380 pretty much
02:47:25.940 targeted
02:47:26.300 towards a
02:47:26.820 certain
02:47:27.080 group of
02:47:27.540 people
02:47:27.840 right
02:47:28.180 and it's
02:47:28.880 been
02:47:29.020 targeted
02:47:29.380 hard
02:47:29.720 yeah
02:47:30.460 so
02:47:30.840 yes
02:47:32.400 and I
02:47:33.080 think
02:47:33.300 what's
02:47:33.560 happening
02:47:33.820 on the
02:47:34.140 farms
02:47:34.460 as well
02:47:35.040 there is
02:47:36.240 this kind
02:47:36.800 of blood
02:47:37.260 lust
02:47:37.660 for the 0.91
02:47:38.440 killing 0.93
02:47:39.500 of the 0.94
02:47:39.920 Buddha
02:47:40.200 it's got
02:47:41.300 a lot
02:47:41.740 to do
02:47:42.180 with
02:47:42.440 this
02:47:42.700 appeasing
02:47:43.320 the
02:47:43.560 forefathers
02:47:44.300 and the
02:47:45.820 amount
02:47:46.200 of
02:47:46.540 if I
02:47:47.720 say to
02:47:48.100 them
02:47:48.300 that
02:47:48.600 the amount
02:47:49.760 of blood
02:47:50.260 your
02:47:50.560 forefathers
02:47:51.260 would need
02:47:51.880 will never
02:47:52.320 be ending
02:47:52.900 it's
02:47:54.760 a constant
02:47:55.540 feeding
02:47:56.280 of that
02:47:57.120 but the
02:47:58.020 minute you
02:47:58.580 play in
02:47:59.680 that space
02:48:00.700 then they
02:48:01.620 really run
02:48:02.460 scared
02:48:02.860 they really
02:48:03.480 run
02:48:03.760 scared
02:48:04.180 well I
02:48:05.580 don't know
02:48:05.820 they're very
02:48:06.200 superstitious
02:48:07.080 too
02:48:07.540 um
02:48:08.920 Nanya
02:48:09.780 welcome
02:48:10.300 to the
02:48:10.660 floor
02:48:11.000 hey
02:48:12.160 Nanya
02:48:12.440 it's been
02:48:12.760 a while
02:48:13.160 yeah
02:48:15.040 thanks for
02:48:15.480 the mic
02:48:15.800 I appreciate
02:48:16.380 it
02:48:16.600 white power 0.92
02:48:17.080 I'd like
02:48:17.700 to thank
02:48:18.000 the panelists
02:48:18.440 listeners
02:48:18.900 Johannes
02:48:19.540 and Dr.
02:48:20.260 Mike
02:48:20.400 for being
02:48:20.720 here
02:48:20.960 um
02:48:21.980 and
02:48:22.520 so
02:48:23.700 I'll
02:48:24.120 get right
02:48:24.460 to it
02:48:24.840 um
02:48:25.460 I have
02:48:26.380 a question
02:48:26.860 but I
02:48:27.380 have a
02:48:27.640 little bit
02:48:27.960 of a
02:48:28.500 dialogue
02:48:28.980 here
02:48:29.320 first
02:48:29.760 um
02:48:30.720 I see
02:48:31.360 the colonization
02:48:32.200 of South
02:48:32.760 Africa
02:48:33.220 like the
02:48:33.960 colonization
02:48:34.700 of the
02:48:35.640 North
02:48:35.860 American
02:48:36.280 continent
02:48:36.780 the biggest
02:48:38.100 difference
02:48:38.540 is that
02:48:39.500 when the
02:48:40.280 white man
02:48:40.800 colonized
02:48:41.560 America
02:48:41.940 he treated
02:48:42.480 the Indians
02:48:43.000 as an
02:48:43.540 inferior
02:48:43.880 pest
02:48:44.460 which
02:48:45.640 you know
02:48:46.020 hindered
02:48:46.420 our
02:48:46.600 progression
02:48:47.020 but was
02:48:47.460 ultimately
02:48:47.840 defeated
02:48:48.380 minus
02:48:49.160 the
02:48:49.420 reservations
02:48:49.960 that were
02:48:51.080 gifted to
02:48:51.600 them
02:48:51.840 through
02:48:52.160 our
02:48:52.480 empathetic
02:48:53.080 ways
02:48:53.540 given
02:48:55.860 the fact
02:48:56.400 that the
02:48:56.700 colonization
02:48:57.400 of Africa
02:48:58.560 stopped
02:48:59.020 at South
02:48:59.440 Africa
02:48:59.860 and is
02:49:00.860 ultimately
02:49:01.340 being
02:49:01.860 overrun
02:49:02.660 do you
02:49:03.920 Mike
02:49:04.740 or
02:49:05.220 Johannes
02:49:06.060 see a
02:49:07.080 future
02:49:07.400 where the
02:49:07.860 Boyer and
02:49:08.660 his allies
02:49:09.400 push further
02:49:10.200 into Africa
02:49:11.040 to prevent
02:49:11.820 another
02:49:12.260 situation
02:49:13.000 like the
02:49:13.520 swarming
02:49:14.000 of South
02:49:14.600 Africa
02:49:15.080 I would
02:49:18.220 like Mike
02:49:18.720 to tweet
02:49:19.060 to answer
02:49:19.400 that question
02:49:20.100 actually
02:49:20.720 if he
02:49:21.620 wishes
02:49:22.180 Johannes
02:49:26.880 can you
02:49:27.440 just
02:49:27.780 rephrase
02:49:28.760 the question
02:49:29.380 please
02:49:29.820 that I
02:49:30.360 understand
02:49:31.580 it a
02:49:31.980 little bit
02:49:32.400 better
02:49:32.820 okay so
02:49:34.760 he
02:49:34.980 said
02:49:35.360 that
02:49:36.360 the
02:49:37.140 problem
02:49:37.420 that we
02:49:39.820 have in
02:49:39.920 South
02:49:40.100 Africa
02:49:40.540 is
02:49:41.120 because
02:49:41.360 they
02:49:41.640 have not
02:49:42.780 seen as
02:49:44.320 people
02:49:44.640 and they
02:49:45.160 have not
02:49:45.660 seen as
02:49:46.800 people
02:49:47.360 first
02:49:47.680 come
02:49:48.180 because
02:49:48.800 we
02:49:49.140 did not
02:49:49.500 in
02:49:49.740 South
02:49:49.960 Africa
02:49:50.460 did
02:49:50.940 do
02:49:50.960 it
02:49:51.140 is
02:49:51.840 they
02:49:52.020 for
02:49:52.160 us
02:49:52.320 a
02:49:52.400 big
02:49:52.700 problem
02:49:53.140 today
02:49:53.720 gegeven
02:49:55.040 the fact
02:49:55.520 that the
02:49:55.960 colonialisering
02:49:57.140 of Africa
02:49:58.040 and South
02:49:58.400 Africa
02:49:58.820 stop
02:49:59.260 it
02:49:59.480 what
02:49:59.860 not
02:50:00.000 technic
02:50:00.540 correct
02:50:01.180 is
02:50:01.340 but
02:50:02.200 we
02:50:04.640 see
02:50:05.080 we
02:50:05.300 see
02:50:05.720 a
02:50:05.860 future
02:50:06.340 where
02:50:06.960 we
02:50:07.800 see
02:50:08.760 on
02:50:09.060 South
02:50:09.300 Africa
02:50:09.900 back
02:50:10.760 further
02:50:12.120 no
02:50:12.600 move
02:50:13.100 to
02:50:13.660 make
02:50:14.220 that
02:50:15.300 the
02:50:16.660 problem
02:50:17.120 the
02:50:17.460 problem
02:50:17.860 itself
02:50:17.980 we
02:50:18.160 are
02:50:18.300 all
02:50:18.600 as
02:50:19.700 as
02:50:20.120 I
02:50:20.220 did
02:50:20.380 not
02:50:20.520 good
02:50:20.700 going
02:50:20.880 to
02:50:21.020 say
02:50:21.220 wow
02:50:23.880 okay
02:50:25.260 go for
02:50:25.740 it
02:50:25.920 Mike
02:50:26.240 okay
02:50:28.220 if you
02:50:30.580 look at
02:50:31.140 history
02:50:32.060 the
02:50:34.280 first and
02:50:36.080 most
02:50:36.380 important
02:50:37.040 thing
02:50:37.440 for us
02:50:38.560 will be
02:50:39.420 after we
02:50:40.300 have
02:50:40.520 gained
02:50:41.100 a new
02:50:42.400 state
02:50:42.800 for
02:50:43.080 ourselves
02:50:43.920 is to
02:50:45.980 populate
02:50:46.660 that
02:50:47.000 state
02:50:48.120 to the
02:50:48.640 biggest
02:50:49.060 extent
02:50:49.740 possible
02:50:50.500 in other
02:50:52.020 words
02:50:52.520 let's
02:50:53.860 say
02:50:54.040 for
02:50:54.280 instance
02:50:54.960 there
02:50:57.260 is
02:50:57.460 political
02:50:57.980 chaos
02:50:58.680 and
02:50:59.120 we
02:50:59.800 as
02:51:00.020 the
02:51:00.740 white
02:51:01.060 community
02:51:01.820 regain
02:51:02.600 political
02:51:03.880 power
02:51:04.460 over
02:51:04.880 the
02:51:05.100 old
02:51:05.360 Transvaal
02:51:06.200 that
02:51:08.060 we
02:51:08.320 in the
02:51:08.720 shortest
02:51:09.160 possible
02:51:11.080 time
02:51:11.640 get
02:51:12.660 as
02:51:12.900 many
02:51:13.380 white
02:51:14.220 immigrants
02:51:14.860 from
02:51:15.220 Europe
02:51:15.780 especially
02:51:17.200 Northwestern
02:51:18.620 Europe
02:51:18.960 that is
02:51:19.640 from the
02:51:20.840 Dutch
02:51:21.200 the
02:51:21.480 Flemish
02:51:22.060 the
02:51:23.200 Germans
02:51:23.820 the
02:51:24.480 Austrians
02:51:25.320 to come
02:51:26.480 to our
02:51:26.940 new
02:51:27.220 state
02:51:27.700 and to
02:51:28.520 settle
02:51:28.900 here
02:51:29.240 that
02:51:30.500 that
02:51:30.900 will be
02:51:31.400 the only
02:51:32.120 real
02:51:33.060 way
02:51:34.260 to
02:51:34.780 maintain
02:51:36.200 ourselves
02:51:36.960 we
02:51:37.920 we
02:51:37.940 must
02:51:38.200 increase
02:51:38.840 our
02:51:39.160 numbers
02:51:39.760 in
02:51:40.000 other
02:51:40.300 words
02:51:40.720 we
02:51:41.540 must
02:51:41.800 try
02:51:42.140 and
02:51:42.340 get
02:51:42.660 the
02:51:43.100 woman 0.99
02:51:43.440 to
02:51:43.940 have
02:51:44.980 more
02:51:45.300 children
02:51:45.720 again
02:51:46.280 and
02:51:47.720 depend
02:51:49.700 depending on
02:51:51.280 what will
02:51:51.780 happen
02:51:52.120 we can
02:51:52.620 later on
02:51:53.240 increase
02:51:53.820 our
02:51:54.120 territory
02:51:54.580 or
02:51:56.120 we can
02:51:57.040 move
02:51:57.340 further
02:51:57.800 north
02:51:58.340 but
02:51:59.340 the most
02:51:59.840 important
02:52:00.540 thing
02:52:01.080 will be
02:52:02.080 to
02:52:02.980 get
02:52:03.380 our
02:52:03.720 state
02:52:04.140 as
02:52:04.520 populated
02:52:05.340 by
02:52:06.060 white
02:52:06.400 people
02:52:06.880 as
02:52:07.840 much
02:52:08.220 as
02:52:08.480 possible
02:52:09.040 Nanya
02:52:17.440 did you
02:52:17.840 want to
02:52:18.060 respond
02:52:18.440 to that
02:52:18.900 or are
02:52:19.280 you
02:52:19.460 satisfied
02:52:20.120 go ahead
02:52:20.560 yeah
02:52:20.720 no
02:52:21.220 I was
02:52:21.800 going to
02:52:22.000 respond
02:52:22.280 and
02:52:22.580 thank
02:52:23.340 you
02:52:23.460 for
02:52:23.600 the
02:52:23.720 response
02:52:24.160 I
02:52:25.040 really
02:52:25.280 appreciate
02:52:25.660 it
02:52:25.900 and
02:52:26.280 you
02:52:26.800 basically
02:52:27.180 said
02:52:27.520 exactly
02:52:27.920 what
02:52:28.160 I
02:52:28.260 wanted
02:52:28.440 to
02:52:28.600 hear
02:52:28.760 I
02:52:29.740 feel
02:52:29.980 like
02:52:30.260 you
02:52:31.740 know
02:52:31.940 the
02:52:32.400 colonization
02:52:33.000 of
02:52:33.200 South
02:52:33.400 Africa
02:52:33.820 it
02:52:34.860 went
02:52:35.080 well
02:52:35.320 for
02:52:35.480 a
02:52:35.620 long
02:52:35.800 time
02:52:36.080 just
02:52:36.280 like
02:52:36.460 the
02:52:36.600 colonization
02:52:37.200 of
02:52:37.440 America
02:52:37.780 went
02:52:38.040 well
02:52:38.220 for
02:52:38.340 a
02:52:38.460 long
02:52:38.620 time
02:52:38.920 but
02:52:39.240 look
02:52:39.520 at
02:52:39.680 the
02:52:39.960 situation
02:52:41.240 in
02:52:41.900 both
02:52:42.080 countries
02:52:42.440 now
02:52:42.660 and
02:52:43.500 until
02:52:44.020 we
02:52:44.260 can
02:52:44.400 do
02:52:44.580 something
02:52:44.860 about
02:52:45.140 it
02:52:45.380 and
02:52:46.080 until
02:52:46.540 we
02:52:46.780 can
02:52:46.960 gain
02:52:47.320 control
02:52:47.840 especially
02:52:48.680 in
02:52:49.120 your
02:52:49.280 guys
02:52:49.520 situation
02:52:50.140 you
02:52:52.040 definitely
02:52:52.500 need
02:52:52.900 to be
02:52:53.120 able
02:52:53.220 to
02:52:53.320 gain
02:52:53.460 control
02:52:53.900 of
02:52:54.420 the
02:52:55.260 political
02:52:55.620 spectrum
02:52:56.100 and
02:52:56.760 then
02:52:56.940 get
02:52:57.180 as
02:52:57.320 many
02:52:57.500 white
02:52:57.740 people 0.96
02:52:58.000 over
02:52:58.220 there
02:53:01.940 and
02:53:02.380 then
02:53:02.700 move
02:53:03.460 north
02:53:03.880 because
02:53:04.260 you're
02:53:04.700 always
02:53:05.120 just
02:53:05.600 going
02:53:05.840 to be
02:53:06.100 right
02:53:06.480 there
02:53:06.880 you know
02:53:07.460 and
02:53:07.620 that's
02:53:07.960 once
02:53:08.220 I know
02:53:08.520 it's
02:53:08.660 not
02:53:08.820 a
02:53:08.980 small
02:53:09.400 spot
02:53:09.880 but
02:53:10.380 it's
02:53:10.580 a
02:53:10.700 small
02:53:11.040 portion
02:53:11.460 of
02:53:11.660 Africa
02:53:12.060 that
02:53:12.740 is
02:53:13.000 overwhelmingly 0.74
02:53:14.060 black
02:53:14.680 and
02:53:14.880 brown
02:53:15.200 everywhere
02:53:15.760 else
02:53:16.240 so
02:53:16.760 until
02:53:17.000 you
02:53:17.440 can
02:53:17.660 push 0.64
02:53:18.080 forward
02:53:18.600 and
02:53:19.160 gain
02:53:19.680 a
02:53:20.120 significant
02:53:21.580 population
02:53:22.480 density
02:53:23.800 of white
02:53:24.240 people
02:53:24.520 there
02:53:24.840 it's
02:53:25.540 always
02:53:25.860 going
02:53:26.040 to
02:53:26.100 be
02:53:26.240 fighting
02:53:26.580 and
02:53:27.020 I
02:53:27.320 would
02:53:27.500 love
02:53:27.820 for
02:53:28.120 my
02:53:29.380 South
02:53:29.660 African
02:53:30.020 brothers
02:53:30.380 and sisters
02:53:30.900 to be
02:53:31.300 able to
02:53:31.580 have
02:53:31.780 a
02:53:31.920 country
02:53:32.280 without
02:53:32.960 the
02:53:33.220 fear
02:53:33.540 of
02:53:34.000 you
02:53:34.620 know
02:53:34.760 black
02:53:35.720 people 1.00
02:53:36.100 raiding
02:53:36.940 and 0.98
02:53:37.420 murdering 0.97
02:53:37.980 and 1.00
02:53:38.140 killing 1.00
02:53:38.440 you 1.00
02:53:38.800 know
02:53:38.880 our
02:53:39.080 people
02:53:39.380 thank
02:53:40.200 you
02:53:40.280 for
02:53:40.400 the
02:53:40.500 time
02:53:40.720 I
02:53:40.860 appreciate
02:53:41.240 it
02:53:42.540 ladies 0.99
02:53:45.800 and
02:53:46.080 gentlemen
02:53:46.380 we
02:53:46.660 are
02:53:46.800 10
02:53:47.100 minutes
02:53:47.440 to
02:53:47.660 top
02:53:47.940 of
02:53:48.060 the
02:53:48.180 hour
02:53:48.500 and
02:53:48.740 we
02:53:48.840 have
02:53:48.980 10
02:53:49.220 minutes
02:53:49.580 before
02:53:49.980 14
02:53:50.500 radio
02:53:51.660 start
02:53:52.660 can
02:53:53.840 you
02:53:53.960 hear
02:53:54.100 me
02:53:54.300 post
02:53:54.640 yeah
02:53:54.980 yeah
02:53:55.200 sorry
02:53:55.480 I
02:53:55.680 kind
02:53:55.940 of
02:53:56.040 over
02:53:56.240 talked
02:53:56.460 you
02:53:56.600 there
02:53:56.740 for
02:53:56.860 a
02:53:56.960 second
02:53:57.180 because
02:53:57.420 it
02:53:57.520 took
02:53:57.640 a
02:53:57.800 second
02:54:01.300 I
02:54:01.440 want
02:54:01.680 to
02:54:01.820 get
02:54:02.000 extra
02:54:02.380 in
02:54:02.700 and
02:54:02.860 then
02:54:03.060 perhaps
02:54:03.480 some
02:54:03.720 final
02:54:04.100 thoughts
02:54:04.660 out
02:54:05.060 of
02:54:05.380 Dr.
02:54:07.140 Mike
02:54:07.520 Johannes
02:54:08.080 Frank
02:54:08.780 anyone
02:54:09.180 who
02:54:09.440 has
02:54:09.620 something
02:54:10.120 that
02:54:11.320 they'd
02:54:11.560 like
02:54:11.720 to
02:54:11.880 share
02:54:12.220 and
02:54:13.180 posting
02:54:13.860 I
02:54:14.080 will
02:54:14.260 close
02:54:14.780 it
02:54:14.940 out
02:54:15.160 go
02:54:15.700 ahead
02:54:15.920 extra
02:54:16.260 well
02:54:18.320 thank
02:54:18.500 you
02:54:18.580 very
02:54:18.700 much
02:54:18.880 what
02:54:19.500 I'll
02:54:19.640 do
02:54:19.780 is
02:54:19.980 I
02:54:20.260 will
02:54:20.520 do
02:54:21.280 all
02:54:21.520 things
02:54:21.820 there
02:54:22.000 at
02:54:22.100 once
02:54:22.300 there
02:54:22.460 final
02:54:22.900 thoughts
02:54:23.200 and
02:54:23.320 last
02:54:23.540 question
02:54:24.060 for
02:54:24.840 Dr.
02:54:25.200 and
02:54:25.760 also
02:54:26.280 add
02:54:26.540 a
02:54:26.620 little
02:54:26.720 bit
02:54:26.820 more
02:54:27.020 there
02:54:27.240 to
02:54:27.680 the
02:54:28.240 topic
02:54:28.920 of
02:54:29.180 taking
02:54:30.560 and
02:54:30.820 holding
02:54:31.120 extra
02:54:31.460 land
02:54:31.720 than
02:54:31.920 current
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02:54:37.220 Africa
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02:54:44.320 South
02:54:44.440 Africa
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02:54:50.520 Vintook
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02:55:34.880 as
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02:55:45.300 as
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02:55:48.780 Republic
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02:55:49.480 Congo
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02:56:13.440 the
02:56:13.580 point
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02:56:42.600 mothers
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02:56:47.160 my
02:56:47.300 youth
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02:56:48.500 the
02:56:48.640 pain
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02:57:03.920 and
02:57:04.220 then
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02:57:04.760 elderly
02:57:05.060 years
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02:57:07.760 that
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02:57:08.920 my
02:57:09.080 final
02:57:09.300 question
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02:57:09.800 Dr.
02:57:10.100 DeToy
02:57:10.320 he did
02:57:11.040 mention
02:57:11.360 that he
02:57:12.760 wrote
02:57:13.000 a book
02:57:13.300 several
02:57:13.860 books
02:57:14.120 but one
02:57:14.520 he wrote
02:57:14.960 about
02:57:15.200 his
02:57:15.380 mother
02:57:15.620 and if
02:57:16.060 it's
02:57:16.200 not
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02:57:16.600 personal
02:57:16.980 a
02:57:17.120 question
02:57:17.400 I'd
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02:57:17.880 a
02:57:17.960 bit
02:57:18.040 more
02:57:18.260 about
02:57:18.480 that
02:57:18.700 please
02:57:19.020 that's
02:57:23.900 what
02:57:24.100 one
02:57:24.440 would
02:57:24.700 call
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02:57:25.440 history
02:57:26.020 writing
02:57:27.020 a
02:57:27.940 history
02:57:28.320 of
02:57:28.580 local
02:57:29.160 history
02:57:29.760 you
02:57:30.760 know
02:57:31.000 just
02:57:31.560 explain
02:57:32.500 who
02:57:33.140 my
02:57:33.380 mother
02:57:33.720 was
02:57:34.300 where
02:57:35.240 she
02:57:35.460 was
02:57:35.740 born
02:57:36.160 how
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02:57:37.140 up
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02:57:37.920 met
02:57:38.200 my
02:57:38.440 father
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02:57:42.000 she
02:57:43.260 brought
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02:57:43.960 life
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02:57:47.900 dictated
02:57:48.540 everything
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02:57:51.060 my
02:57:51.680 brother
02:57:52.020 helped
02:57:52.460 me
02:57:52.740 and I
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02:58:02.120 mother
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02:58:11.160 grandchildren
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02:58:20.660 my
02:58:20.960 way
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02:58:21.460 contribute
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02:58:23.160 book
02:58:23.440 on
02:58:23.660 local
02:58:24.080 history
02:58:24.580 could
02:58:30.060 you
02:58:30.160 tell me
02:58:30.480 the
02:58:30.620 name
02:58:30.800 of
02:58:31.120 the
02:58:31.260 book
02:58:31.460 dr
02:58:31.820 detoy
02:58:32.180 then
02:58:36.680 let me
02:58:37.640 just
02:58:37.920 say
02:58:38.200 the
02:58:38.460 book
02:58:38.720 is
02:58:39.080 not
02:58:41.080 available
02:58:41.660 for
02:58:42.320 for the
02:58:44.440 public
02:58:44.880 it's
02:58:45.900 just
02:58:46.360 a book
02:58:47.660 for
02:58:48.140 my
02:58:48.820 brothers
02:58:49.340 and
02:58:49.740 sister
02:58:50.140 and
02:58:50.540 my
02:58:50.840 children
02:58:51.260 and
02:58:51.660 great
02:58:52.040 children
02:58:52.460 but
02:58:53.560 the
02:58:53.840 name
02:58:54.200 of
02:58:54.460 the
02:58:54.660 book
02:58:54.920 is
02:58:55.220 very
02:58:55.700 simple
02:58:57.780 it's
02:58:58.220 my
02:58:58.420 mother's
02:58:58.920 name
02:58:59.300 Jeanette
02:59:00.520 Geneve
02:59:01.040 detoy
02:59:01.560 well thank
02:59:05.200 you very
02:59:05.380 much I
02:59:05.620 didn't mean
02:59:05.840 to get
02:59:06.040 too
02:59:06.200 personal
02:59:06.540 it's
02:59:07.040 like a
02:59:07.500 family
02:59:08.460 tome
02:59:08.860 then of
02:59:09.120 your
02:59:09.200 own
02:59:09.320 history
02:59:09.540 I
02:59:09.680 really
02:59:09.860 appreciate
02:59:10.200 it
02:59:10.400 thank
02:59:10.560 you
02:59:10.640 very
02:59:10.780 much
02:59:11.060 hopefully
02:59:11.440 we'll
02:59:11.640 speak
02:59:11.840 again
02:59:12.080 at
02:59:12.200 some
02:59:12.320 point
02:59:12.560 in
02:59:12.880 time
02:59:13.100 yeah
02:59:17.380 thank
02:59:17.840 you
02:59:18.040 extra
02:59:18.480 thank
02:59:19.260 you
02:59:19.420 so
02:59:19.620 much
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02:59:20.060 your
02:59:20.220 contribution
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02:59:21.440 I
02:59:22.000 live
02:59:22.780 to
02:59:23.440 hear
02:59:23.700 your
02:59:23.900 voice
02:59:24.260 so
02:59:26.840 that's
02:59:28.040 a
02:59:28.160 quick
02:59:28.300 question
02:59:28.780 Dr.
02:59:29.280 Mike
02:59:29.480 are
02:59:29.820 your
02:59:30.180 books
02:59:30.600 available
02:59:31.120 or
02:59:31.700 do
02:59:32.000 we
02:59:32.320 now
02:59:32.760 need
02:59:33.140 to
02:59:33.540 wait
02:59:33.900 on
02:59:34.220 a
02:59:34.420 translation
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02:59:36.220 sure
02:59:36.400 we
02:59:36.580 have
02:59:36.720 a
02:59:36.860 few
02:59:36.980 people
02:59:37.260 here
02:59:37.620 who
02:59:38.680 would
02:59:38.800 be
02:59:38.920 quite
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02:59:40.080 that
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02:59:43.500 books
02:59:43.860 are
02:59:44.080 all
02:59:44.360 in
02:59:44.540 Afrikaans
02:59:45.380 but
02:59:46.620 I
02:59:48.140 think
02:59:48.980 as
02:59:50.100 time
02:59:50.500 progresses
02:59:51.180 there
02:59:52.000 is
02:59:52.180 a
02:59:52.360 strong
02:59:52.640 possibility
02:59:53.400 that
02:59:54.520 I
02:59:54.780 will
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02:59:56.340 three
02:59:56.680 of the
02:59:57.040 books
02:59:57.320 into
02:59:57.620 English
02:59:58.200 because
02:59:59.500 I
03:00:00.060 think
03:00:00.540 in
03:00:01.720 each
03:00:02.100 case
03:00:02.580 I'm
03:00:02.900 saying
03:00:03.220 something
03:00:03.760 that
03:00:04.940 is
03:00:05.220 not
03:00:05.700 well
03:00:07.260 known
03:00:07.720 so
03:00:08.640 the
03:00:08.860 books
03:00:09.120 can
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03:00:09.680 a
03:00:09.840 contribution
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03:00:11.900 English
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03:00:13.400 world
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03:00:15.580 a
03:00:15.720 moment
03:00:16.000 they
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03:00:17.800 available
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03:00:21.220 your
03:00:21.340 next
03:00:21.640 project
03:00:22.280 I
03:00:22.540 suppose
03:00:23.280 Frank
03:00:25.060 do
03:00:25.280 you
03:00:25.340 have
03:00:25.460 any
03:00:25.620 final
03:00:25.940 thoughts
03:00:26.540 or
03:00:27.000 radio
03:00:27.700 and
03:00:28.800 then
03:00:29.620 I'll
03:00:29.780 get
03:00:29.940 to
03:00:30.120 Johannes
03:00:30.500 yeah
03:00:31.600 thanks
03:00:32.000 I
03:00:32.320 had
03:00:32.560 my
03:00:32.720 hand
03:00:32.980 up
03:00:33.120 I
03:00:33.240 realized
03:00:33.640 this
03:00:33.880 whole
03:00:34.060 thing
03:00:34.280 is
03:00:34.380 being
03:00:34.540 glitchy
03:00:34.920 for
03:00:35.060 me
03:00:35.220 today
03:00:35.440 too
03:00:35.760 Dr.
03:00:36.680 Dutrois
03:00:38.680 I just
03:00:39.120 want to
03:00:39.380 let
03:00:39.560 you
03:00:39.720 know
03:00:40.140 and
03:00:40.620 Johannes
03:00:41.020 kind
03:00:42.160 of
03:00:42.260 knows
03:00:42.460 where
03:00:42.640 I'm
03:00:42.780 coming
03:00:43.040 from
03:00:43.280 but
03:00:43.460 look
03:00:43.760 there's
03:00:45.120 a
03:00:45.260 multiplicitous
03:00:46.620 type
03:00:49.080 of
03:00:49.280 maneuver
03:00:49.740 as
03:00:51.080 your
03:00:51.260 people
03:00:51.600 come
03:00:51.900 and
03:00:52.060 go
03:00:52.400 from
03:00:53.660 your
03:00:53.860 homeland
03:00:54.240 those
03:00:54.620 that
03:00:54.760 come
03:00:54.900 to
03:00:55.040 America
03:00:55.520 I'm
03:00:56.960 not
03:00:57.580 in
03:00:57.740 the
03:00:57.880 camp
03:00:58.260 of
03:00:58.480 people
03:00:58.800 are
03:00:58.960 just
03:00:59.140 going
03:00:59.280 to 0.99
03:00:59.540 die 0.99
03:01:00.380 on 0.67
03:01:00.580 the
03:01:00.680 vine
03:01:01.040 and
03:01:01.240 all
03:01:01.460 that
03:01:01.800 if
03:01:02.360 the
03:01:02.520 parents
03:01:02.840 come
03:01:03.120 here
03:01:03.300 for
03:01:03.460 their
03:01:03.680 reasons
03:01:04.120 you
03:01:05.000 still
03:01:05.240 have
03:01:05.440 the
03:01:05.600 children
03:01:06.040 that
03:01:06.980 will
03:01:08.240 always
03:01:08.580 remain
03:01:08.960 assets
03:01:09.620 and
03:01:10.620 us
03:01:10.920 Americans
03:01:11.380 will
03:01:11.700 do
03:01:12.100 our
03:01:12.760 duty
03:01:13.400 to
03:01:15.400 remind
03:01:16.120 them
03:01:16.460 even
03:01:16.760 though
03:01:17.140 their
03:01:17.940 parents
03:01:18.300 are
03:01:18.480 becoming
03:01:18.860 American
03:01:19.380 that
03:01:19.760 the
03:01:20.240 children
03:01:20.580 have
03:01:21.000 a
03:01:21.120 homeland
03:01:21.600 and
03:01:22.220 that's
03:01:22.780 a
03:01:22.880 good
03:01:23.020 thing
03:01:23.240 because
03:01:23.580 my
03:01:24.560 father
03:01:24.940 is
03:01:25.200 French
03:01:25.740 or
03:01:26.480 was
03:01:26.760 French
03:01:27.040 he's
03:01:27.240 passed
03:01:27.520 away
03:01:27.760 now
03:01:28.080 and
03:01:29.260 I
03:01:30.400 didn't
03:01:30.640 even
03:01:30.840 know
03:01:31.020 he
03:01:31.200 could
03:01:31.400 write
03:01:31.740 French
03:01:32.240 until
03:01:32.640 I
03:01:32.940 was
03:01:33.140 in
03:01:33.280 my
03:01:33.480 forties
03:01:34.100 or
03:01:34.760 speak
03:01:35.240 French
03:01:35.720 even
03:01:36.240 I
03:01:36.680 just
03:01:36.880 knew
03:01:37.060 my
03:01:37.260 grandma
03:01:37.600 and
03:01:37.840 grandpa
03:01:38.260 right
03:01:38.780 so
03:01:39.700 I
03:01:39.800 just
03:01:39.920 want
03:01:40.060 to
03:01:40.100 let
03:01:40.200 you
03:01:40.300 guys
03:01:40.520 know
03:01:40.800 that
03:01:41.000 we're
03:01:41.200 here
03:01:41.460 rooting
03:01:41.800 for
03:01:42.160 you
03:01:42.400 I've
03:01:42.840 literally
03:01:43.140 been
03:01:43.440 involved
03:01:43.940 in
03:01:44.860 the
03:01:45.000 South
03:01:45.240 African
03:01:45.740 development
03:01:47.360 since
03:01:47.800 I was
03:01:48.100 about
03:01:48.460 I don't
03:01:48.840 know
03:01:48.980 14
03:01:49.420 or 15
03:01:49.960 when we
03:01:50.900 had
03:01:51.080 seven
03:01:51.380 guys
03:01:51.780 leave
03:01:52.100 my
03:01:52.400 hometown
03:01:53.040 to
03:01:53.940 fight
03:01:54.200 in
03:01:54.340 Rhodesia
03:01:54.820 and
03:01:55.040 South
03:01:55.340 Africa
03:01:55.820 part
03:01:56.500 in
03:01:56.600 the
03:01:56.740 cello
03:01:57.020 of
03:01:57.140 scouts
03:01:57.560 and
03:01:57.760 part
03:01:58.080 in
03:01:59.100 Rhodesia
03:01:59.700 proper
03:02:00.160 and
03:02:00.860 two
03:02:01.080 of
03:02:01.220 those
03:02:01.400 lads
03:02:01.780 died
03:02:02.120 and
03:02:02.300 were
03:02:02.440 buried
03:02:02.780 in
03:02:03.040 South
03:02:03.320 Africa
03:02:03.740 I
03:02:04.880 know
03:02:05.300 that
03:02:05.560 because
03:02:05.720 the
03:02:05.900 mothers
03:02:06.140 were
03:02:06.320 upset
03:02:06.940 that
03:02:07.360 the
03:02:07.640 sons
03:02:08.020 did
03:02:08.220 not
03:02:08.440 come
03:02:08.680 back
03:02:09.020 and
03:02:09.980 were
03:02:10.460 not
03:02:11.240 buried
03:02:11.540 in
03:02:11.700 the
03:02:11.780 United
03:02:11.940 States
03:02:12.240 they
03:02:12.540 may
03:02:12.760 have
03:02:12.980 been
03:02:13.600 removed
03:02:14.180 and
03:02:14.380 brought
03:02:14.600 back
03:02:14.920 to
03:02:15.020 the
03:02:15.140 country
03:02:15.400 but
03:02:15.600 I
03:02:16.300 don't
03:02:16.700 know
03:02:16.940 that
03:02:17.260 but
03:02:17.720 we're
03:02:17.960 all
03:02:18.220 here
03:02:18.540 for
03:02:18.880 you
03:02:19.100 guys
03:02:19.580 this
03:02:20.580 is
03:02:20.800 I've
03:02:21.340 just
03:02:21.540 been
03:02:21.740 aware
03:02:22.040 of
03:02:22.260 your
03:02:22.500 situation
03:02:23.000 since
03:02:23.320 I
03:02:23.520 was
03:02:23.680 allowed
03:02:24.100 and
03:02:25.220 with
03:02:26.060 that
03:02:26.260 being
03:02:26.480 said
03:02:26.760 I
03:02:26.920 had
03:02:27.260 one
03:02:27.640 personal
03:02:28.080 question
03:02:28.540 for
03:02:28.800 you
03:02:28.940 doc
03:02:29.240 and
03:02:30.140 that
03:02:30.400 is
03:02:30.780 are
03:02:31.400 you
03:02:31.740 part
03:02:32.860 French
03:02:33.300 is
03:02:33.520 Dutrois
03:02:34.020 a
03:02:34.380 French
03:02:35.100 name
03:02:35.520 like
03:02:36.160 Albigensian
03:02:37.600 yes
03:02:40.020 you
03:02:40.260 are
03:02:40.400 quite
03:02:40.660 correct
03:02:41.120 I'm
03:02:41.560 a
03:02:41.940 descendant
03:02:42.620 of
03:02:42.860 a
03:02:43.020 French
03:02:43.340 Huguenot
03:02:43.960 they
03:02:45.080 came
03:02:45.580 in
03:02:46.620 1686
03:02:47.760 to
03:02:48.180 South
03:02:48.480 Africa
03:02:48.980 my
03:02:50.440 the
03:02:52.120 original
03:02:52.680 surname
03:02:53.420 was
03:02:53.960 Dutrois
03:02:54.600 and I
03:02:55.720 see
03:02:55.920 there's
03:02:56.220 even
03:02:56.720 people
03:02:59.120 with
03:02:59.420 this
03:02:59.700 surname
03:03:00.080 in
03:03:00.420 America
03:03:00.980 where
03:03:02.460 they
03:03:02.740 spell
03:03:03.480 the
03:03:03.820 de
03:03:04.060 and
03:03:04.400 twa
03:03:04.800 as
03:03:05.480 one
03:03:05.820 surname
03:03:06.320 in
03:03:06.700 South
03:03:06.940 Africa
03:03:07.360 it's
03:03:07.720 two
03:03:07.880 different
03:03:08.520 two
03:03:09.760 separate
03:03:10.300 words
03:03:10.800 but
03:03:11.100 you
03:03:11.320 are
03:03:11.480 quite
03:03:11.740 correct
03:03:12.140 it
03:03:12.320 is
03:03:12.540 a
03:03:12.700 French
03:03:13.120 surname
03:03:14.040 yeah
03:03:15.500 thanks
03:03:15.860 just
03:03:16.120 based
03:03:16.680 sorry
03:03:17.080 about
03:03:17.260 that
03:03:17.420 just
03:03:17.580 one
03:03:17.820 last
03:03:18.120 thing
03:03:18.340 yeah
03:03:18.840 I
03:03:19.140 like
03:03:19.660 this
03:03:19.960 maybe
03:03:20.240 you
03:03:20.580 and
03:03:20.720 I
03:03:20.860 can
03:03:21.040 talk
03:03:21.380 again
03:03:21.780 and
03:03:22.000 be
03:03:22.680 in
03:03:22.820 this
03:03:23.120 space
03:03:23.460 again
03:03:23.880 but
03:03:24.280 the
03:03:26.320 Kipin 0.58
03:03:27.600 I don't
03:03:28.580 know if
03:03:28.800 you're
03:03:28.920 familiar
03:03:29.240 with the
03:03:29.760 Charlemagne
03:03:30.400 line
03:03:30.700 but
03:03:30.920 that's
03:03:31.980 an
03:03:32.120 ancestor
03:03:32.640 of
03:03:32.860 mine
03:03:33.080 that
03:03:33.260 landed
03:03:33.960 in
03:03:34.400 Quebec
03:03:36.440 in
03:03:36.800 1621
03:03:37.820 so
03:03:38.200 I
03:03:38.420 have
03:03:38.680 Huguenot
03:03:39.320 and
03:03:39.520 Albigensian
03:03:40.280 history
03:03:41.680 in my
03:03:42.220 family
03:03:42.620 too
03:03:42.860 that
03:03:43.000 goes
03:03:43.200 back
03:03:43.460 to
03:03:43.580 the
03:03:43.720 Maribingian 0.92
03:03:44.340 kings 0.96
03:03:44.820 it's
03:03:45.400 pretty
03:03:45.640 fascinating
03:03:46.240 how
03:03:46.520 our
03:03:46.720 people
03:03:47.240 you
03:03:48.160 know
03:03:48.280 accumulated
03:03:49.040 all
03:03:49.480 of
03:03:49.660 this
03:03:49.940 world
03:03:50.740 travel
03:03:51.240 and
03:03:51.400 we
03:03:51.520 all
03:03:51.720 ended
03:03:52.000 up
03:03:52.220 in
03:03:52.320 these
03:03:52.540 really
03:03:53.200 interesting
03:03:53.820 places
03:03:54.380 around
03:03:54.760 the
03:03:54.940 world
03:03:55.160 so
03:03:55.540 for
03:03:56.660 everybody
03:03:56.960 in
03:03:57.200 the
03:03:57.340 space
03:03:57.700 whatever
03:03:58.320 your
03:03:58.780 European
03:03:59.780 origin
03:04:00.520 we're
03:04:00.980 all
03:04:01.260 part
03:04:01.640 of
03:04:01.760 a
03:04:01.920 larger
03:04:02.260 family
03:04:02.880 and
03:04:03.900 so
03:04:04.260 no matter
03:04:04.640 where
03:04:04.840 we get
03:04:05.160 located
03:04:05.780 the
03:04:07.500 slings
03:04:08.240 and arrow
03:04:08.720 of the
03:04:09.160 world
03:04:09.360 we've
03:04:09.640 always
03:04:10.040 been
03:04:10.300 outnumbered
03:04:11.080 we've
03:04:11.920 always
03:04:12.220 been
03:04:12.380 outnumbered
03:04:12.820 like
03:04:13.000 10
03:04:13.260 or
03:04:13.400 101
03:04:13.900 I
03:04:14.300 mean
03:04:14.480 for
03:04:15.160 our
03:04:15.380 entire
03:04:15.780 lives
03:04:16.340 and
03:04:17.640 so
03:04:18.220 it's
03:04:18.720 a
03:04:18.860 battle
03:04:19.200 that
03:04:19.500 is
03:04:19.700 going
03:04:19.940 to
03:04:20.220 rage
03:04:20.660 long
03:04:21.220 after
03:04:21.540 we're
03:04:21.780 gone
03:04:22.140 and
03:04:23.160 while
03:04:23.420 I
03:04:23.620 believe
03:04:23.940 that
03:04:24.120 we
03:04:24.300 will
03:04:24.640 achieve
03:04:25.120 success
03:04:25.740 in
03:04:26.100 many
03:04:26.540 of
03:04:26.700 our
03:04:26.860 lifetimes
03:04:27.520 cycles
03:04:28.600 always
03:04:29.180 come
03:04:29.460 and
03:04:29.620 go
03:04:29.860 so
03:04:30.220 it's
03:04:30.540 the
03:04:30.740 memory
03:04:31.140 it's
03:04:31.900 the
03:04:32.080 storytelling
03:04:32.820 it's
03:04:33.960 the
03:04:34.160 legacy
03:04:34.560 that
03:04:34.920 we
03:04:35.120 all
03:04:35.360 share
03:04:35.840 amongst
03:04:36.540 each
03:04:37.200 other
03:04:37.480 so
03:04:37.800 thanks
03:04:38.360 again
03:04:38.660 doctor
03:04:39.040 and
03:04:39.560 looking
03:04:39.820 forward
03:04:40.200 to
03:04:40.460 seeing
03:04:40.760 you
03:04:40.920 again
03:04:41.260 thanks
03:04:42.040 Johannes
03:04:42.720 for
03:04:43.440 your
03:04:43.780 timely
03:04:45.120 narratives
03:04:46.560 okay
03:04:47.120 thanks
03:04:47.640 well
03:04:50.620 thank you
03:04:51.060 very much
03:04:51.480 for everybody
03:04:52.020 that joined
03:04:52.740 and for
03:04:53.440 all the
03:04:53.620 great
03:04:53.840 questions
03:04:54.480 obviously
03:04:55.380 thank you
03:04:56.020 for
03:04:56.360 Dr.
03:04:56.800 Mike
03:04:57.020 for being
03:04:57.440 willing
03:04:57.720 to do
03:04:58.120 this
03:04:58.460 it was
03:04:59.180 a pleasure
03:04:59.560 for myself
03:05:00.340 listening
03:05:00.820 to this
03:05:01.260 even
03:05:01.660 you know
03:05:02.640 somebody
03:05:03.260 that has
03:05:03.740 met
03:05:03.980 Dr.
03:05:04.360 Mike
03:05:04.580 in real
03:05:04.980 life
03:05:05.280 listening
03:05:06.340 to his
03:05:06.760 insights
03:05:07.160 always
03:05:07.720 precious
03:05:10.040 and
03:05:10.540 important
03:05:12.280 as we
03:05:12.960 form
03:05:13.380 our
03:05:14.060 world
03:05:14.580 view
03:05:14.800 for the
03:05:15.180 future
03:05:15.600 I do
03:05:16.700 hope
03:05:16.940 that we
03:05:17.220 can do
03:05:17.520 this
03:05:17.780 again
03:05:18.060 in the
03:05:18.480 future
03:05:19.300 and I'd
03:05:19.740 like
03:05:20.000 the people
03:05:20.760 to give
03:05:21.080 an indication
03:05:21.700 if they
03:05:22.420 would be
03:05:22.880 interested
03:05:23.280 in this
03:05:23.700 yeah
03:05:26.320 thank you
03:05:27.080 very much
03:05:27.340 for everybody
03:05:27.800 put thumbs up
03:05:28.880 if you're
03:05:29.140 interested
03:05:29.520 yeah
03:05:30.960 thumbs up
03:05:31.480 if you're
03:05:31.780 interested
03:05:32.120 thank you
03:05:32.600 for everybody
03:05:33.120 that joined
03:05:34.240 and remember
03:05:34.780 the future
03:05:35.280 is wide
03:05:35.760 we will
03:05:36.240 win
03:05:36.600 we will
03:05:37.260 not
03:05:37.500 abandon
03:05:37.980 our
03:05:38.260 fatherland
03:05:38.960 at the
03:05:40.000 whims
03:05:40.420 of the
03:05:40.940 international
03:05:41.380 capitalists
03:05:42.440 South Africa
03:05:43.080 belongs to
03:05:43.720 the white
03:05:44.100 man
03:05:44.480 and yeah
03:05:45.500 freedom
03:05:46.160 for the
03:05:46.440 white
03:05:46.580 man
03:05:46.840 thank you
03:05:49.780 Dr.
03:05:50.740 Mike
03:05:50.920 do you
03:05:51.180 have any
03:05:51.460 last words
03:05:52.300 that you'd
03:05:52.720 like to
03:05:53.000 share with
03:05:53.360 the audience
03:05:53.920 and yeah
03:05:54.960 we would
03:05:55.700 love to
03:05:56.320 do this
03:05:56.720 again
03:05:57.060 and I'm
03:05:58.140 happy to
03:05:58.760 introduce
03:05:59.180 you to
03:05:59.720 other
03:06:00.100 space
03:06:00.620 hosts
03:06:01.000 and just
03:06:02.440 you'll be
03:06:03.480 doing spaces
03:06:04.560 all the
03:06:05.020 time
03:06:05.340 before you
03:06:05.860 know it
03:06:06.320 yeah you
03:06:10.000 are quite
03:06:10.500 welcome
03:06:11.020 as you
03:06:12.900 can
03:06:13.080 understand
03:06:13.760 I was
03:06:15.760 a bit
03:06:16.340 nervous
03:06:17.120 and
03:06:18.540 sometimes
03:06:19.540 when I
03:06:20.560 speak I
03:06:21.160 lose my
03:06:21.920 story
03:06:23.420 and
03:06:25.260 and then
03:06:26.560 lastly
03:06:27.180 my
03:06:29.260 homeland
03:06:29.860 which is
03:06:30.520 Afrikaans
03:06:31.340 so
03:06:31.940 so it
03:06:33.200 is
03:06:33.460 it was
03:06:34.180 difficult
03:06:35.280 for me
03:06:35.940 as a
03:06:36.480 first time
03:06:37.200 but I
03:06:38.220 think next
03:06:38.840 time I
03:06:39.480 will do
03:06:40.360 much
03:06:40.700 better
03:06:41.080 thank you
03:06:42.240 you did
03:06:44.280 amazing
03:06:45.100 you guys are
03:06:46.580 translating in
03:06:47.820 your heads
03:06:48.420 the whole 0.76
03:06:48.940 time
03:06:49.420 you know
03:06:50.620 this is our
03:06:51.880 this is our
03:06:52.480 mother tongue
03:06:53.100 and you
03:06:54.680 and Johannes
03:06:55.200 speak exquisite
03:06:56.640 English
03:06:57.260 considering
03:06:57.960 that you
03:06:59.980 speak a
03:07:00.480 language that
03:07:01.160 is so
03:07:01.640 different
03:07:02.120 from our
03:07:03.620 own so we
03:07:04.220 just want to
03:07:04.740 thank you for
03:07:05.420 your time
03:07:05.980 thank you for
03:07:07.060 your sacrifice
03:07:07.760 thank you for
03:07:08.940 your wisdom
03:07:09.520 that you
03:07:11.380 shared with us
03:07:12.000 today there's
03:07:12.840 going to be
03:07:13.140 lots of
03:07:13.720 clips to
03:07:14.260 harvest
03:07:14.580 this will be
03:07:16.260 available on
03:07:17.600 rumble
03:07:18.240 on posty
03:07:19.300 on x
03:07:20.100 we are now
03:07:22.180 crossing over
03:07:23.800 we've crossed
03:07:24.400 the threshold
03:07:25.120 over into
03:07:26.020 1488 radio
03:07:27.860 and we
03:07:29.860 just want to
03:07:30.460 reaffirm that
03:07:31.500 this is about
03:07:32.280 the 14 words
03:07:33.440 that we must
03:07:34.620 secure in
03:07:35.640 existence for
03:07:36.620 our people
03:07:37.280 and a future
03:07:38.180 for white
03:07:38.800 children this
03:07:40.060 is what this
03:07:40.660 is all about
03:07:41.360 so posty if
03:07:43.100 you want to
03:07:43.640 drop yeah
03:07:44.620 I'll drop I
03:07:45.280 just brought
03:07:45.720 white right
03:07:46.380 up I had to
03:07:46.880 drop Frank in
03:07:47.520 order to bring
03:07:47.880 him up so I
03:07:48.520 apologize Frank
03:07:49.220 but yeah I'll
03:07:50.500 drop down and
03:07:51.200 thanks everybody
03:07:52.080 and yeah it'll
03:07:52.620 be up on rumble
03:07:53.300 I'll put the
03:07:53.740 link in my
03:07:54.780 feed
03:07:55.220 I'll put the
03:08:06.880 link in my
03:08:07.960 feed