postyX - Tales from South Africa-with Johannes Agenbach and Dr Mike DuToit

00:00:00.000 let's come out of it so white power everybody unite the clans and we'll see you monday

00:00:04.560 have a great weekend

00:00:05.660 thank you thanks thanks guys we're just all right well i guess i gotta go too yeah do your sign off

00:00:14.660 it's good seeing you guys sorry i was uh super freaking late dealing with life stuff and phone

00:00:19.920 calls back after back after back but uh you guys have a good safe white power weekend have fun with

00:00:25.920 the family have fun with yourself whatever the fuck you guys got going on white power guys have

00:00:31.260 fun be safe and i love you guys all homo it's june i'm gonna hop down as well give them a clean panel

00:00:41.880 here but hope to see you guys in the book club tomorrow i'm excited to listen in to this space

00:00:47.840 now thank you guys can you good to see you mostly oh it's not working good to see you guys too

00:00:55.620 oh mike's not working oh jesus fuck

00:01:00.480 can you guys hear me now

00:01:20.000 yeah okay it looks like i'm up we're just waiting for based and i think we're waiting

00:01:25.380 for our guest she's just running a little bit behind but thank you guys for coming

00:01:28.540 open votes can you hear me can you just say yes or no

00:01:31.380 anybody yeah yeah okay perfect perfect thanks guys yeah i can hear you yes we're rocking along

00:01:41.200 all right i'm having mic issues that's why so thank you

00:01:44.140 just chopping up some firewood right now i'm uh got my heritage canadian flag the red ensign

00:01:59.580 flying proudly over my little spot here and uh it's great to listen to all you guys uh good to hear

00:02:05.980 patriots fellow white people uh sounds like you're having a party over there right

00:02:10.640 well i had to get a second phone because you can't have a music playing and a space going unless you do

00:02:17.360 some kind of hack thing with your phone i'm like i'm not that smart i'm just gonna buy another phone

00:02:21.280 on amazon and then it'll play uh where we got uh above and beyond group radio there's 628 two-hour

00:02:29.980 dance sessions that are like all right i got firewood to split i'll listen to you guys and rock on

00:02:34.700 nice nice sounds good i think it's going to be pretty decent here and uh on terrible this weekend i

00:02:43.520 don't know though for sure

00:02:44.980 you guys can listen to my awesome music about that

00:02:53.960 it's so it's so weird posting uh post because uh this it was supposed to be like 70 here all week

00:03:03.700 and the past two days it's been it was like a fucking hundred out of nowhere where are you in

00:03:09.560 canada too no but northern northern u.s or yeah i'm in northern ontario you're in northern yeah i'm in

00:03:18.360 southern ontario and it's been up until like june the 1st it's been cold as fuck

00:03:21.900 sorry guys i'm muted by accident trying to bring somebody up i apologize uh hold on

00:03:31.160 i know a lot of people that are evacuating out of toronto southern ontario and coming north and some

00:03:39.880 say white flight but you know you could say regrouping who wants their kids to be attacked

00:03:44.360 by nons and be minorities in their own schools you know uh people got to look at these things

00:03:48.980 so uh anyway the the guy moved on to empty land he's trying to build a house and i'm like hey i used to

00:03:55.260 do i used to do some work i'll i uh came in and was helping him with the uh backfilling as well

00:04:02.500 and his hydro line and gas line just to get him started you know nice nice okay open votes can you

00:04:07.820 yeah mute for a second because i think we have dr mike to to it and i hope i pronounced that right

00:04:12.300 i can you test your speaker or your mic yes uh i'm on yep you're on i can hear you yeah

00:04:20.640 you both sound good same volume and all so thank you my surname is the two a

00:04:28.200 the two a okay yes i'm a canadian so my accent's already bad so you have to forgive me

00:04:35.140 okay um i see johannes is up already i'm not sure who jay is but uh hold on what are we expecting

00:04:44.100 somebody hello jay looks to be a a new account okay so then they're not coming yeah hey johannes

00:04:50.880 hello posty and panel um welcome dr mike detui

00:04:56.960 thank you

00:05:01.040 based will be here shortly she's just uh running a little bit behind but feel free to

00:05:07.440 you know start talking about yourself a little bit if you want

00:05:10.380 um are there any is this the panel so far if we can then maybe we can bring up another one of

00:05:18.980 our guys um from south africa you know sure um daniel's down there i don't know if he wants

00:05:24.700 to come up daniel if you want to come up then you can just request

00:05:29.280 hello extra good evening joining us as well to give us i guess are you going to give us the irish

00:05:40.240 perspective extra or just the overall world perspective because i know you have knowledge in both

00:05:44.200 uh no there's no real irish perspective here but i'm familiar with south africa

00:05:51.040 and um yeah i mean look i'm just going to listen for a bit first i think that i know something of the

00:05:56.980 history um that's relevant but uh i'm going to wait to hear from dr detui first

00:06:01.780 i did um invite justin barrett unfortunately i don't know you guys probably know he's recovering

00:06:10.540 from um a health issue so he wanted to come but then he unfortunately had to decline at the last

00:06:17.640 minute uh so but he's going to try to do it with us again so we'll have to give him a little bit of

00:06:22.440 grace he's trying to recover i just brought up based there we go i'm not sure is there anybody else

00:06:28.580 we're expecting based um that we need to wait for

00:06:31.920 hi um can you hear me yep we can hear you i'm just trying to accept co-host as well okay great

00:06:46.580 yeah you're up there no uh so i think i think who we've got is who we've got and let's just be

00:06:52.980 uh this is johannes and mike are going to be leading the charge and posty we'll come up with

00:06:59.400 clever questions as uh as time goes on um welcome welcome mike welcome dr detui thank you for coming

00:07:08.500 extra this is great thank you and i think what we'll do is we'll let johannes and and dr detui um

00:07:18.080 kind of go and we can just kind of um rip off of that i guess based and if people want to ask

00:07:22.960 questions put their hand up obviously but i'd like to get them in a conversation yeah yeah let's let

00:07:28.920 them cook for a little bit guys in the audience um i know that white excellence radio is often a free

00:07:35.240 for all but let's just let the the gents get warmed up and cooking and then um you know if we can do

00:07:41.960 question and answers a little bit later um we'll do that again if your account is locked we're not

00:07:48.340 bringing you up if we don't know who you are we're not bringing you up if you have three followers we're

00:07:54.260 not bringing you up it's not personal we've just done this a lot so uh with that johannes you've got

00:08:01.420 the floor buddy oh and he's gone and johannes and he's vanished he's coming back yeah yeah no um

00:08:13.700 well uh dr mike detui let me let me um i want to thank you for being here uh dr mike is uh he's got

00:08:23.680 his phd in philosophy he was a university professor hello guys can you hear me you're back yeah i was

00:08:31.640 just giving a little bit of a bio of uh dr mike detui but perhaps you would do a better job um

00:08:38.000 at uh explaining to the audience who this very special guest is thank you very much uh based i'm

00:08:46.140 gonna let dr mike detui um thank you

00:08:48.780 uh

00:08:53.680 okay sorry and then i was a lecturer in history at vista university and at the same time a lecturer

00:09:03.560 in archaeology at the university

00:09:06.320 and

00:09:09.260 in 1982

00:09:14.080 no i'm sorry in 2002 i was arrested

00:09:20.940 under the charges of terrorism which were later changed to high treason

00:09:29.620 and

00:09:31.480 then the government arrested a lot of other people

00:09:36.660 for us all together and they said we are the boeremach

00:09:41.160 they uh held uh there was a court case lasting 11 years

00:09:47.960 by the way the longest court case in the history of the world and eventually we were all found

00:09:56.500 guilty of high treason and i had to uh all in all i was 18 years three months in prison

00:10:05.200 and i was released about three or four years ago and uh

00:10:11.880 uh

00:10:12.740 uh that's in short my story perhaps i should point out that i have five academic

00:10:18.940 uh qualifications

00:10:21.680 uh

00:10:22.360 b.i. ed

00:10:23.280 and then honors in history

00:10:26.160 honors

00:10:27.400 masters

00:10:29.080 and doctorate in philosophy

00:10:31.620 so i'm quite uh

00:10:33.620 uh

00:10:34.620 uh

00:10:35.620 knowledgeable about

00:10:36.960 history

00:10:37.920 and philosophy

00:10:39.380 thank you very much dr detui that is uh that is some credentials um

00:10:47.920 it's an honor obviously being joined

00:10:49.860 uh

00:10:51.060 with yourself and uh

00:10:52.920 these fine um white people tonight

00:10:55.760 um the main talking points that we're going to go over tonight is

00:10:59.840 we're going to focus on south africa

00:11:01.980 and the history of south africa

00:11:04.380 and the main thing that i want to hit home on is

00:11:08.620 there is

00:11:09.860 currently in the world a dispute as to

00:11:12.900 whether there is a genocide in south africa or not

00:11:16.500 and

00:11:17.440 obviously

00:11:19.120 for obvious reasons

00:11:20.960 when there is land in dispute

00:11:22.560 and a narrative war being waged

00:11:25.040 they are going to try

00:11:26.800 and

00:11:27.480 obfuscate the facts

00:11:29.180 as far as they can

00:11:30.700 and divert attention

00:11:32.220 to to nonsensical arguments

00:11:35.000 what i want to speak about tonight is

00:11:37.640 the land ownership question in south africa

00:11:40.000 because it's the one thing

00:11:41.680 that our black counterparts

00:11:43.160 always focus on

00:11:45.080 but whenever we get

00:11:46.460 can you hear me

00:11:47.020 yes

00:11:49.700 i can hear you fine

00:11:50.780 do you hear me

00:11:51.760 dr mike

00:11:52.480 can you hear us dr mike

00:11:57.940 i think your mike is

00:11:59.080 because you're not muting it

00:12:00.380 so maybe it's

00:12:01.180 i'm not sure if it's acting a little bit

00:12:02.800 buggy

00:12:04.600 i can

00:12:05.440 you can hear

00:12:06.720 can you hear johannes

00:12:07.600 no i cannot hear johannes

00:12:13.060 okay hold on one sec

00:12:14.160 johannes say something

00:12:15.180 dr mike

00:12:18.160 could you

00:12:19.060 mute your mike

00:12:20.500 when you're not speaking

00:12:22.020 so

00:12:22.500 will jy net

00:12:23.240 jy net jou microphone

00:12:23.960 verstom

00:12:24.320 daar sy

00:12:24.860 as jy nie praat nie

00:12:25.940 verstom om net

00:12:26.740 miskien

00:12:27.220 jy weet

00:12:28.240 maak het

00:12:28.700 enig van

00:12:29.040 nonsens

00:12:29.620 can you hear me

00:12:31.000 i'm assuming

00:12:31.740 you can hear me

00:12:32.460 because you muted

00:12:33.300 your mic

00:12:33.780 i don't think

00:12:37.340 he can hear you

00:12:38.120 i can

00:12:38.600 i can mute him

00:12:39.800 from my co-host

00:12:41.920 position

00:12:42.500 but

00:12:43.480 dr mike

00:12:44.500 we might need to

00:12:46.320 get you to drop down

00:12:48.560 as a listener

00:12:49.400 and bring you back up

00:12:50.820 as a speaker

00:12:51.580 this happens

00:12:52.900 often

00:12:53.640 in these spaces

00:12:54.840 this is not unusual

00:12:56.360 and if you want to say that

00:12:58.220 in africans

00:12:59.360 you can johannes

00:13:00.460 why does it seem like

00:13:02.540 it's playing a recording

00:13:03.760 what do you mean

00:13:11.860 oh yeah

00:13:12.720 what are you talking about

00:13:13.620 maybe it's just glitchy

00:13:21.660 for wtf

00:13:22.540 we'll try to sort it out

00:13:23.400 so everybody just

00:13:24.160 be patient

00:13:24.860 and we'll get there

00:13:25.620 yeah we'll get there

00:13:27.560 bottom takes

00:13:29.780 yeah

00:13:31.060 it's sometimes

00:13:31.820 it's just glitchy

00:13:33.300 and we're trying to do it

00:13:34.520 with multiple continents

00:13:35.900 you know

00:13:37.480 australia is listening

00:13:39.060 america

00:13:40.140 south africa

00:13:41.320 ireland's in here

00:13:42.960 so

00:13:43.580 we've just got

00:13:45.300 pretty much

00:13:45.940 every white

00:13:46.720 continent

00:13:47.660 tuning in right now

00:13:49.280 so

00:13:49.660 it's glitchy af

00:13:51.000 dr mike

00:13:53.540 can you hear me

00:13:59.780 i think he's gone

00:14:01.380 down to listener

00:14:02.180 but we'll try

00:14:04.140 and send him

00:14:05.100 a mic

00:14:05.520 okay

00:14:06.000 stand by

00:14:07.620 maybe it's mine

00:14:10.160 that's also glitchy

00:14:11.020 i don't know

00:14:11.460 because it showed

00:14:12.220 there for a brief

00:14:12.940 minute that it was

00:14:13.500 still a speaker

00:14:14.220 it did

00:14:14.940 no same for me

00:14:15.600 johannes

00:14:16.060 i i

00:14:16.580 because i can hear

00:14:17.280 you perfectly fine

00:14:18.040 you can hear me

00:14:18.760 and i

00:14:19.260 so i have a feeling

00:14:20.100 it is on his end

00:14:21.000 and it could just be

00:14:21.800 a not like a bad

00:14:22.660 connection or something

00:14:23.700 okay i'm bringing

00:14:27.700 him back up

00:14:28.480 hold on one sec

00:14:30.580 johannes i can hear

00:14:37.420 you quite clearly

00:14:38.460 okay there we go

00:14:40.860 you can hear johannes

00:14:41.860 now so let's go

00:14:42.740 okay

00:14:43.140 yes

00:14:44.940 okay so i just want

00:14:48.080 to introduce us

00:14:48.900 into this conversation

00:14:49.840 again

00:14:50.240 if you don't mind

00:14:51.540 mike

00:14:51.900 i want us to

00:14:54.640 focus on the

00:14:55.380 history of south

00:14:56.120 africa

00:14:56.520 but specifically

00:14:57.740 focus on land

00:14:59.160 ownership

00:14:59.780 whenever we hear

00:15:01.420 our counterparts

00:15:02.320 in south africa

00:15:03.420 get any form

00:15:04.780 of political

00:15:05.560 stage whether it

00:15:06.460 be nationally

00:15:07.160 or internationally

00:15:08.040 they always focus

00:15:09.940 on the land

00:15:10.740 issue

00:15:11.380 now right now

00:15:13.640 white genocide

00:15:14.460 is disputed

00:15:15.660 in south africa

00:15:16.500 and it is

00:15:17.180 outright denied

00:15:19.340 and i think

00:15:20.740 that we need to

00:15:21.440 speak about

00:15:22.140 land ownership

00:15:23.020 because if we

00:15:23.980 do and we

00:15:25.200 can firmly

00:15:26.700 cement the

00:15:27.700 fact that this

00:15:28.700 is a white

00:15:29.180 country then

00:15:30.240 all of a sudden

00:15:31.120 the white

00:15:31.900 genocide

00:15:32.340 claim makes

00:15:34.300 a lot more

00:15:34.900 sense and i

00:15:36.020 believe that

00:15:36.860 our enemies

00:15:37.580 being as

00:15:39.180 crafty as

00:15:41.720 they are with

00:15:42.400 narratives

00:15:43.040 willfully steer

00:15:44.880 the discussion

00:15:46.620 away from

00:15:48.280 land ownership

00:15:49.940 when it comes

00:15:50.460 to white

00:15:50.860 people and

00:15:51.360 white genocide

00:15:52.000 because then

00:15:53.300 it gives us

00:15:54.220 a rightful

00:15:56.100 claim to

00:15:56.560 this country

00:15:57.140 and they

00:15:57.560 obviously want

00:15:58.880 the country

00:15:59.280 for themselves

00:15:59.900 and it's

00:16:00.180 actually got

00:16:00.700 very little

00:16:01.300 to do with

00:16:02.160 black land

00:16:02.880 ownership

00:16:03.300 so with that

00:16:05.960 in mind

00:16:06.560 i'm gonna ask

00:16:08.340 you for the

00:16:09.140 audience just

00:16:10.000 to list the

00:16:11.400 the books that

00:16:12.260 you have written

00:16:13.000 give a brief

00:16:15.020 summary about

00:16:15.960 what they are

00:16:16.540 and then we're

00:16:17.060 gonna focus on

00:16:18.280 die strewe

00:16:19.180 and strijd

00:16:19.740 van ons

00:16:20.100 volk

00:16:20.520 1902

00:16:21.360 tot

00:16:22.180 1994

00:16:22.900 which in

00:16:23.800 english translates

00:16:24.780 to

00:16:25.100 the pursuit

00:16:27.160 and struggle

00:16:28.360 of our

00:16:28.760 people

00:16:29.220 1902

00:16:30.600 to 1994

00:16:31.700 so with that

00:16:33.280 dr mike

00:16:33.700 to do

00:16:33.980 please give

00:16:35.420 us a brief

00:16:35.820 overview of

00:16:36.340 five books

00:16:36.920 that you've

00:16:37.260 written

00:16:37.500 and then we can

00:16:38.400 delve into the

00:16:38.960 history of

00:16:39.360 South Africa

00:16:39.680 thank you

00:16:42.180 johannes

00:16:42.860 i've written

00:16:43.640 five books

00:16:44.540 the first

00:16:46.260 one is

00:16:47.240 the strewe

00:16:48.240 and strijd

00:16:48.840 van ons

00:16:49.280 volk

00:16:49.860 that's a

00:16:50.960 book on

00:16:51.360 South African

00:16:52.140 history

00:16:52.680 of the

00:16:53.360 20th

00:16:54.040 century

00:16:54.620 it

00:16:57.500 focus on

00:16:58.820 three main

00:16:59.660 periods

00:17:01.200 the first

00:17:02.560 being the

00:17:03.240 period after

00:17:04.200 the second

00:17:05.540 angloboer war

00:17:06.700 which was

00:17:08.940 basically

00:17:09.480 the age

00:17:11.320 of the

00:17:11.760 generals

00:17:12.240 and the

00:17:13.640 main

00:17:14.000 topic of

00:17:14.980 discussion

00:17:15.600 and struggle

00:17:17.000 there was

00:17:17.680 South Africa's

00:17:18.780 relationship

00:17:20.760 with Britain

00:17:21.660 the second

00:17:23.140 period

00:17:24.180 which lasted

00:17:25.720 from 1948

00:17:26.980 to 1966

00:17:28.580 the focus

00:17:31.020 there is

00:17:31.680 on how

00:17:32.900 the Afrikaners

00:17:34.040 gained power

00:17:35.860 again

00:17:36.300 and how

00:17:37.480 they started

00:17:38.160 empowering

00:17:39.040 themselves

00:17:40.040 and then

00:17:41.500 the third

00:17:42.180 period

00:17:42.880 is from

00:17:44.280 1966

00:17:45.940 up till

00:17:46.720 1994

00:17:48.140 where

00:17:50.000 we started

00:17:52.880 handing over

00:17:53.660 power

00:17:54.140 to the

00:17:55.000 blacks

00:17:55.420 and eventually

00:17:57.220 the

00:17:58.100 handing over

00:17:59.640 of the

00:18:00.580 country

00:18:01.020 to the

00:18:01.560 black

00:18:02.000 communist

00:18:02.640 ANC

00:18:03.280 government

00:18:03.840 the second

00:18:05.660 book

00:18:06.160 is

00:18:07.820 a

00:18:08.520 history

00:18:09.220 of our

00:18:10.800 Indo-European

00:18:11.820 origins

00:18:12.600 now

00:18:14.960 the original

00:18:16.100 inhabitants

00:18:16.940 of Europe

00:18:17.840 were

00:18:18.280 short

00:18:19.080 darker

00:18:19.700 people

00:18:20.300 although

00:18:20.780 they were

00:18:21.340 Caucasians

00:18:22.780 and

00:18:24.260 then

00:18:25.060 out of

00:18:25.920 Russia

00:18:26.900 long

00:18:28.200 very

00:18:29.560 white

00:18:30.140 Indo-European

00:18:31.800 peoples

00:18:32.480 moved

00:18:33.120 over

00:18:33.480 Europe

00:18:34.040 and

00:18:35.560 in the

00:18:36.760 same

00:18:37.020 way

00:18:37.320 they

00:18:37.540 moved

00:18:37.900 over

00:18:38.320 Western

00:18:38.880 Asia

00:18:39.480 and

00:18:40.540 other

00:18:40.820 parts

00:18:41.260 of the

00:18:41.640 world

00:18:42.040 and

00:18:43.000 in the

00:18:43.480 process

00:18:44.080 they

00:18:44.320 carried

00:18:44.740 the

00:18:45.580 Indo-European

00:18:46.680 languages

00:18:47.600 and

00:18:49.140 religion

00:18:49.900 to

00:18:50.280 Europe

00:18:50.800 and

00:18:52.120 out of

00:18:52.620 that

00:18:52.900 in the

00:18:54.220 process

00:18:54.760 various

00:18:55.380 Indo-European

00:18:56.340 groups

00:18:56.820 came about

00:18:57.720 for instance

00:18:59.160 the Germanic

00:19:00.260 people

00:19:00.940 in the

00:19:01.380 north

00:19:01.660 of

00:19:01.880 Europe

00:19:02.220 the

00:19:03.260 Celtic

00:19:03.800 people

00:19:04.260 in the

00:19:04.820 center

00:19:05.200 of

00:19:05.500 Europe

00:19:05.920 the

00:19:06.940 Romans

00:19:07.380 the

00:19:07.820 Greeks

00:19:08.280 the

00:19:09.000 Balts

00:19:09.540 the

00:19:09.920 Slavic

00:19:10.340 peoples

00:19:10.940 etc

00:19:11.520 and

00:19:12.720 then

00:19:13.020 out of

00:19:13.560 them

00:19:13.940 eventually

00:19:17.900 came about

00:19:19.080 the

00:19:19.820 Afrikaner

00:19:20.620 or Boer

00:19:21.200 people

00:19:21.660 in

00:19:21.980 South

00:19:22.280 Africa

00:19:22.780 then

00:19:23.940 my

00:19:24.200 third

00:19:24.760 book

00:19:25.240 my

00:19:27.220 most

00:19:27.620 recent

00:19:28.120 book

00:19:28.580 is

00:19:29.180 on

00:19:29.640 the

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00:19:36.380 organic

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00:19:44.160 corporatism

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00:19:48.280 capitalism

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00:19:58.860 other

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00:20:00.500 fourth

00:20:00.860 one

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00:20:11.760 my

00:20:12.000 mother

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00:20:16.720 you

00:20:16.840 very

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00:20:17.400 dr.

00:20:18.880 Mike

00:20:19.080 did

00:20:19.420 you

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00:20:19.640 to

00:20:19.740 say

00:20:19.900 something

00:20:20.340 base

00:20:24.060 no

00:20:24.760 thank

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00:20:31.640 okay

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00:20:33.440 sorry

00:20:33.900 it

00:20:34.120 just

00:20:34.400 churchy

00:20:36.500 her mic

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00:20:48.180 dr.

00:20:48.760 Mike

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00:20:49.540 mentioned

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00:21:01.000 and

00:21:01.640 how

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00:21:02.420 I

00:21:02.760 believe

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00:21:04.360 with

00:21:04.780 Europe

00:21:05.620 and

00:21:06.180 America

00:21:06.740 Australia

00:21:07.760 and New

00:21:08.580 Zealand

00:21:08.880 today

00:21:09.360 in the

00:21:10.060 sense

00:21:10.360 that

00:21:10.740 a

00:21:11.260 bunch

00:21:11.540 of

00:21:11.760 foreigners

00:21:12.240 came

00:21:12.780 into

00:21:13.460 South

00:21:14.380 Africa

00:21:14.840 and

00:21:15.780 a

00:21:16.000 bunch

00:21:16.280 of

00:21:16.540 foreigners

00:21:16.920 are

00:21:17.220 now

00:21:17.440 coming

00:21:17.760 into

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00:21:18.520 European

00:21:18.900 countries

00:21:19.580 and

00:21:20.140 then

00:21:20.460 claiming

00:21:21.080 birthright

00:21:22.120 citizenship

00:21:22.780 and then

00:21:24.000 being

00:21:24.420 naturalized

00:21:26.120 so in

00:21:27.060 chapter 6

00:21:28.380 of your

00:21:28.860 book

00:21:29.260 page 19

00:21:30.480 it

00:21:31.240 speaks about

00:21:32.640 the term

00:21:33.840 when

00:21:34.380 of the

00:21:35.620 union

00:21:35.960 parliament

00:21:36.480 between

00:21:36.840 1910

00:21:37.620 and

00:21:37.800 1950

00:21:38.580 where

00:21:39.820 the

00:21:41.260 Boota

00:21:41.860 government

00:21:42.460 got a

00:21:42.900 lot of

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00:21:44.200 of

00:21:45.000 invading

00:21:46.940 blacks

00:21:47.600 that

00:21:50.560 came

00:21:51.040 into

00:21:51.380 white

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00:21:52.620 could

00:21:53.440 you

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00:21:54.180 to us

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00:22:01.760 the

00:22:01.980 British

00:22:02.320 conquered

00:22:02.800 South

00:22:03.140 Africa

00:22:03.620 it

00:22:04.360 changed

00:22:05.000 the

00:22:05.360 demographic

00:22:06.080 landscape

00:22:07.520 of

00:22:07.780 South

00:22:07.980 Africa

00:22:08.380 in

00:22:09.320 the

00:22:09.660 sense

00:22:09.980 that

00:22:10.280 it

00:22:10.520 changed

00:22:10.900 it

00:22:11.120 from

00:22:11.380 a

00:22:11.560 white

00:22:11.800 country

00:22:12.220 to

00:22:12.440 a

00:22:12.640 multiracial

00:22:13.500 country

00:22:14.240 in

00:22:15.800 the

00:22:16.000 union

00:22:16.360 of

00:22:16.600 South

00:22:16.800 Africa

00:22:17.100 of

00:22:17.280 1910

00:22:17.880 one

00:22:21.600 must

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00:22:22.280 understand

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00:22:23.620 South

00:22:24.680 Africa

00:22:25.300 was a

00:22:26.880 lot

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00:22:27.740 territories

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00:22:30.120 of

00:22:30.380 them

00:22:30.680 some

00:22:31.140 of

00:22:31.340 those

00:22:31.620 territories

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00:22:33.300 black

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00:22:36.780 later

00:22:37.180 known

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00:22:38.080 and

00:22:38.780 trans

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00:22:40.800 the

00:22:41.000 biggest

00:22:41.340 part

00:22:41.720 of

00:22:41.900 South

00:22:42.180 Africa

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00:22:43.040 white

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00:22:45.620 governed

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00:22:46.360 Britain

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00:22:48.000 the

00:22:48.620 Cape

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00:22:49.340 and

00:22:50.120 some

00:22:50.400 of

00:22:50.600 them

00:22:50.820 were

00:22:51.080 governed

00:22:51.560 by

00:22:52.340 the

00:22:52.660 Boers

00:22:53.200 our

00:22:53.540 people

00:22:54.100 that

00:22:55.060 is

00:22:55.280 the

00:22:55.460 Orange

00:22:55.780 Free

00:22:56.060 State

00:22:56.360 Republic

00:22:56.880 and

00:22:57.860 the

00:22:58.100 South

00:22:58.360 Afrikaans

00:22:59.080 Republic

00:22:59.620 now

00:23:01.300 in

00:23:02.600 1902

00:23:03.540 the

00:23:05.580 British

00:23:06.180 defeated

00:23:07.260 the

00:23:07.600 two

00:23:07.860 Boer

00:23:08.180 Republics

00:23:09.000 and

00:23:09.900 eventually

00:23:10.520 they

00:23:10.860 joined

00:23:11.320 all

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00:23:12.020 territories

00:23:12.680 by

00:23:14.080 forming

00:23:14.520 the

00:23:14.820 Union

00:23:15.240 of

00:23:15.540 South

00:23:15.800 Africa

00:23:16.260 in

00:23:16.540 1910

00:23:17.400 and

00:23:19.160 right

00:23:19.520 from

00:23:19.800 the

00:23:20.040 start

00:23:20.640 even

00:23:21.980 left

00:23:22.520 wing

00:23:22.920 white

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00:23:29.820 and

00:23:30.280 the

00:23:30.880 biggest

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00:23:31.560 of

00:23:31.720 South

00:23:31.960 Africa

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00:23:32.920 what

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00:23:35.320 Africa

00:23:35.840 it

00:23:36.200 was

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00:23:36.660 territory

00:23:37.060 of

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00:23:37.480 white

00:23:37.740 man

00:23:38.080 nobody

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00:23:42.620 as

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00:23:46.000 progressed

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00:23:48.360 Africa

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00:23:50.580 laws

00:23:51.220 to try

00:23:52.520 and

00:23:52.900 maintain

00:23:53.600 its

00:23:53.960 control

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00:23:54.920 white

00:23:55.320 South

00:23:55.660 Africa

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00:23:57.780 most

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00:24:01.080 the

00:24:01.460 group

00:24:03.740 areas

00:24:04.280 act

00:24:04.760 which

00:24:05.760 inhabited

00:24:07.400 every

00:24:09.500 race

00:24:09.960 group

00:24:10.360 basically

00:24:11.160 to a

00:24:11.620 large

00:24:11.900 extent

00:24:12.340 to its

00:24:12.740 own

00:24:13.000 territory

00:24:13.480 so

00:24:14.560 let's

00:24:15.100 say

00:24:15.240 for

00:24:15.460 instance

00:24:16.140 blacks

00:24:17.540 from

00:24:17.840 Zululand

00:24:18.560 couldn't

00:24:19.220 enter

00:24:19.660 the rest

00:24:20.160 of

00:24:20.380 Natal

00:24:20.900 or

00:24:22.200 causas

00:24:23.300 from

00:24:23.580 the

00:24:23.780 eastern

00:24:24.160 cape

00:24:24.520 couldn't

00:24:24.980 move

00:24:25.240 to

00:24:25.400 the

00:24:25.580 western

00:24:25.960 cape

00:24:26.440 so

00:24:27.340 each

00:24:27.840 group

00:24:28.840 was

00:24:29.260 assigned

00:24:29.720 to

00:24:29.940 territory

00:24:30.420 which

00:24:30.980 they

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00:24:32.780 and

00:24:34.000 that

00:24:34.560 is how

00:24:35.080 apartheid

00:24:36.300 or

00:24:36.600 separate

00:24:37.120 development

00:24:37.840 came

00:24:38.300 about

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00:24:39.500 was

00:24:39.780 when

00:24:40.040 laws

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00:24:40.740 introduced

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00:24:42.740 restrict

00:24:43.420 each

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00:24:45.080 its

00:24:45.260 own

00:24:45.520 territory

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00:24:47.200 the

00:24:47.420 idea

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00:24:48.240 on

00:24:48.560 that

00:24:49.500 each

00:24:49.940 person

00:24:51.040 in

00:24:51.460 his

00:24:51.660 own

00:24:51.940 group

00:24:52.380 could

00:24:53.420 control

00:24:54.960 their

00:24:55.240 own

00:24:55.960 state

00:24:56.540 so

00:24:57.320 South

00:24:57.660 Africa

00:24:58.100 was

00:24:58.500 a

00:24:58.680 combination

00:24:59.260 of

00:24:59.580 a lot

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00:25:00.520 states

00:25:01.020 and

00:25:02.900 as a

00:25:03.380 result

00:25:03.760 of

00:25:04.040 that

00:25:04.460 it

00:25:05.100 placed

00:25:05.520 a

00:25:05.780 heavy

00:25:06.080 burden

00:25:06.660 on

00:25:07.040 the

00:25:07.180 white

00:25:07.400 people

00:25:07.780 of

00:25:08.020 South

00:25:08.280 Africa

00:25:08.760 we

00:25:09.660 had

00:25:09.960 to

00:25:10.120 maintain

00:25:10.640 the

00:25:10.880 blacks

00:25:11.180 in

00:25:11.400 their

00:25:11.660 territories

00:25:12.720 if

00:25:14.020 it

00:25:14.220 could

00:25:14.500 happen

00:25:14.940 right

00:25:15.280 from

00:25:15.520 the

00:25:15.720 start

00:25:16.080 that

00:25:16.340 these

00:25:16.620 territories

00:25:17.160 could

00:25:17.580 be

00:25:17.800 broken

00:25:18.260 up

00:25:18.760 the

00:25:19.260 South

00:25:19.780 African

00:25:20.200 state

00:25:20.640 could

00:25:20.900 be

00:25:21.100 broken

00:25:21.460 up

00:25:21.920 and

00:25:23.100 each

00:25:23.460 group

00:25:23.860 could

00:25:24.240 govern

00:25:25.080 its

00:25:25.380 own

00:25:25.640 territory

00:25:26.200 then

00:25:27.100 we

00:25:27.320 would

00:25:27.540 have

00:25:27.720 never

00:25:28.200 ended

00:25:29.120 up

00:25:29.540 in

00:25:29.760 the

00:25:30.080 situation

00:25:31.520 that

00:25:31.860 we

00:25:32.060 are

00:25:32.240 today

00:25:32.680 where

00:25:33.320 blacks

00:25:33.700 are

00:25:33.960 governing

00:25:34.460 us

00:25:35.040 do

00:25:37.460 you

00:25:37.680 think

00:25:38.080 considering

00:25:39.200 what

00:25:39.540 you

00:25:39.660 just

00:25:39.900 said

00:25:40.200 do

00:25:40.440 you

00:25:40.620 think

00:25:40.860 it's

00:25:41.100 fair

00:25:41.320 to

00:25:41.540 say

00:25:41.780 that

00:25:42.020 apartheid

00:25:42.760 was

00:25:43.140 a

00:25:43.400 peaceful

00:25:43.860 attempt

00:25:44.340 at

00:25:44.840 repatriating

00:25:46.520 blacks

00:25:46.980 back

00:25:47.360 to

00:25:47.540 their

00:25:47.800 original

00:25:48.260 countries

00:25:48.960 and

00:25:49.640 that

00:25:49.960 it

00:25:50.140 was

00:25:50.360 an

00:25:50.500 attempted

00:25:50.900 balkanization

00:25:51.800 of

00:25:52.060 South

00:25:52.240 Africa

00:25:52.580 that's

00:25:54.600 quite

00:25:54.840 correct

00:25:55.480 the

00:25:56.540 main

00:25:56.840 person

00:25:57.400 who

00:25:57.800 wanted

00:25:59.580 the

00:26:00.620 black

00:26:00.920 people

00:26:01.420 to go

00:26:01.960 back

00:26:02.260 to

00:26:02.440 their

00:26:02.700 own

00:26:03.000 territories

00:26:03.560 was

00:26:04.140 Dr.

00:26:04.680 Hendrik

00:26:05.040 Verwoerd

00:26:05.680 he was

00:26:08.480 the

00:26:08.800 main

00:26:09.420 drive

00:26:10.040 in this

00:26:10.520 process

00:26:10.980 and

00:26:12.440 analysts

00:26:13.980 who

00:26:14.760 analyzed

00:26:15.920 these

00:26:16.380 policies

00:26:17.080 and what

00:26:17.740 happened

00:26:18.180 said

00:26:18.660 that

00:26:19.620 that

00:26:19.640 if

00:26:19.920 he

00:26:20.080 lived

00:26:20.380 just

00:26:20.780 two

00:26:21.040 or

00:26:21.280 three

00:26:21.540 years

00:26:21.960 more

00:26:22.440 the

00:26:23.260 majority

00:26:23.700 of

00:26:24.140 black

00:26:24.460 people

00:26:24.900 would

00:26:25.180 have

00:26:25.460 be

00:26:26.100 canalized

00:26:26.820 back

00:26:27.100 to

00:26:27.280 their

00:26:27.500 own

00:26:27.840 territories

00:26:28.420 so

00:26:29.680 for

00:26:30.300 those

00:26:30.640 people

00:26:31.100 who

00:26:31.340 wanted

00:26:31.740 to

00:26:32.780 prevent

00:26:33.380 this

00:26:33.780 process

00:26:34.560 it

00:26:35.560 was

00:26:35.860 very

00:26:36.180 important

00:26:37.000 to

00:26:37.280 them

00:26:37.540 to

00:26:37.840 get

00:26:38.740 Dr.

00:26:39.240 Verwoerd

00:26:39.640 out of

00:26:40.040 the

00:26:40.160 way

00:26:40.440 and

00:26:41.360 that

00:26:41.620 is

00:26:42.020 why

00:26:42.360 one

00:26:42.900 of

00:26:43.080 the

00:26:43.280 main

00:26:43.540 reasons

00:26:44.020 why

00:26:44.360 he

00:26:44.480 was

00:26:44.680 killed

00:26:45.000 in

00:26:45.220 1966

00:26:46.180 get

00:26:47.560 him

00:26:47.720 out

00:26:47.920 of

00:26:48.080 the

00:26:48.240 way

00:26:48.520 and

00:26:49.740 let

00:26:50.600 the

00:26:50.780 black

00:26:51.040 people

00:26:51.560 over

00:26:52.100 around

00:26:52.420 South

00:26:52.760 Africa

00:26:53.260 I

00:26:54.260 can

00:26:54.500 further

00:26:54.860 say

00:26:55.180 that

00:26:55.460 one

00:26:55.700 of

00:26:55.880 the

00:26:56.040 last

00:26:56.460 things

00:26:57.100 every

00:26:57.580 clerk

00:26:58.080 did

00:26:58.480 just

00:26:59.260 before

00:26:59.620 he

00:26:59.820 handed

00:27:00.080 over

00:27:00.480 power

00:27:00.940 in

00:27:01.180 1994

00:27:02.120 was

00:27:03.360 he

00:27:03.580 scrapped

00:27:04.040 the

00:27:04.320 group

00:27:04.660 areas

00:27:05.200 act

00:27:05.620 in

00:27:06.280 other

00:27:06.540 words

00:27:06.860 he

00:27:07.040 removed

00:27:07.600 the

00:27:07.940 law

00:27:08.280 that

00:27:09.420 placed

00:27:11.680 every

00:27:12.080 person

00:27:12.760 within

00:27:13.920 a

00:27:14.300 certain

00:27:14.700 area

00:27:15.820 in

00:27:16.740 his

00:27:16.960 own

00:27:17.380 area

00:27:20.260 okay

00:27:23.780 so

00:27:24.020 practically

00:27:24.560 speaking

00:27:25.260 how does

00:27:25.880 that

00:27:26.220 how did

00:27:26.940 the

00:27:27.400 abolishment

00:27:28.480 of the

00:27:29.120 group

00:27:29.460 areas

00:27:29.960 act

00:27:30.460 how does

00:27:31.100 that

00:27:31.480 affect

00:27:32.060 the

00:27:32.600 Afrikaan

00:27:33.280 well

00:27:36.320 what

00:27:36.600 happened

00:27:37.080 is

00:27:37.600 the

00:27:38.140 blacks

00:27:38.560 started

00:27:40.640 moving

00:27:41.060 out

00:27:41.300 of

00:27:41.440 their

00:27:41.600 own

00:27:41.820 territories

00:27:42.500 into

00:27:43.440 white

00:27:43.840 South

00:27:44.140 Africa

00:27:44.580 and

00:27:44.840 actually

00:27:45.340 overrun

00:27:45.900 the

00:27:46.080 whole

00:27:46.280 of

00:27:46.480 white

00:27:47.080 South

00:27:47.380 Africa

00:27:47.920 to

00:27:48.780 the

00:27:48.980 extent

00:27:49.340 that

00:27:49.640 there

00:27:49.880 is

00:27:50.080 no

00:27:50.600 more

00:27:51.120 territories

00:27:52.500 within

00:27:52.940 white

00:27:53.380 South

00:27:53.720 Africa

00:27:54.200 that

00:27:54.580 is

00:27:54.800 white

00:27:55.240 where

00:27:56.520 whites

00:27:57.320 are

00:27:57.640 the

00:27:57.840 dominant

00:27:58.220 factor

00:27:58.840 this

00:28:04.140 sounds

00:28:04.540 a lot

00:28:04.900 like

00:28:05.160 what

00:28:05.340 is

00:28:05.500 happening

00:28:05.820 in

00:28:06.380 other

00:28:06.680 countries

00:28:07.160 so

00:28:07.580 it

00:28:09.180 was

00:28:09.360 actually

00:28:09.780 you

00:28:10.080 that

00:28:10.240 told

00:28:10.540 me

00:28:10.740 this

00:28:10.980 you

00:28:11.160 said

00:28:11.500 that

00:28:11.900 Pia

00:28:12.760 Via

00:28:12.920 Boota

00:28:13.320 was

00:28:13.720 actually

00:28:14.160 the

00:28:14.380 president

00:28:14.740 that

00:28:15.340 did

00:28:16.380 the

00:28:16.620 most

00:28:16.920 devastating

00:28:17.720 work

00:28:18.880 in terms

00:28:19.740 of

00:28:20.160 abolishing

00:28:20.920 apartheid

00:28:21.620 and the

00:28:21.840 concept

00:28:22.200 of it

00:28:22.580 that's

00:28:24.080 quite

00:28:24.300 correct

00:28:24.780 you know

00:28:25.400 people are

00:28:26.220 very angry

00:28:26.900 with

00:28:27.220 Evie

00:28:27.580 de Klerk

00:28:28.180 which is

00:28:29.240 quite

00:28:29.540 justified

00:28:30.180 but

00:28:31.360 one must

00:28:31.880 understand

00:28:32.500 before

00:28:33.020 Evie

00:28:33.380 de Klerk

00:28:33.860 there were

00:28:34.240 two

00:28:34.480 other

00:28:34.880 persons

00:28:36.840 who

00:28:37.440 actually

00:28:38.040 started

00:28:38.920 this

00:28:39.280 process

00:28:39.760 and

00:28:40.360 helped

00:28:41.740 this

00:28:42.060 process

00:28:42.640 along

00:28:43.440 the

00:28:44.120 first

00:28:44.500 was

00:28:44.880 John

00:28:45.280 Foster

00:28:45.820 he

00:28:46.980 started

00:28:47.360 breaking

00:28:47.820 down

00:28:48.280 apartheid

00:28:49.180 with

00:28:50.060 his

00:28:50.460 killing

00:28:51.960 of

00:28:52.380 white

00:28:52.960 small

00:28:53.820 or

00:28:54.280 rather

00:28:54.620 small

00:28:55.180 apartheid

00:28:55.880 he

00:28:56.040 started

00:28:56.320 killing

00:28:56.660 small

00:28:57.080 apartheid

00:28:57.820 he

00:28:58.540 started

00:28:58.880 with

00:28:59.160 his

00:28:59.380 outward

00:29:00.000 policy

00:29:01.200 talking

00:29:02.120 to

00:29:02.400 black

00:29:02.720 people

00:29:03.220 he

00:29:04.160 himself

00:29:04.920 never

00:29:05.700 scrapped

00:29:06.360 any

00:29:06.760 laws

00:29:07.280 he

00:29:07.980 was

00:29:08.260 just

00:29:08.560 a

00:29:08.760 guy

00:29:08.980 who

00:29:09.160 started

00:29:09.540 this

00:29:09.880 process

00:29:10.480 he

00:29:11.280 started

00:29:11.680 promoting

00:29:12.300 non-racial

00:29:13.720 sport

00:29:14.240 and so

00:29:14.820 on

00:29:15.040 then

00:29:15.900 P.W.

00:29:16.500 Bota

00:29:16.820 became

00:29:18.100 prime minister

00:29:19.180 in

00:29:19.920 1978

00:29:21.020 and

00:29:22.700 he's

00:29:23.080 the

00:29:23.260 guy

00:29:23.680 that

00:29:24.760 scrapped

00:29:25.320 nearly

00:29:25.820 all

00:29:26.400 the

00:29:26.640 laws

00:29:27.140 that

00:29:28.220 governed

00:29:28.800 that

00:29:29.860 made

00:29:30.560 white

00:29:30.980 power

00:29:31.620 possible

00:29:32.160 in

00:29:32.440 South

00:29:32.740 Africa

00:29:33.300 Evie

00:29:35.120 the

00:29:35.300 clerk

00:29:35.600 when he

00:29:36.060 came

00:29:36.320 to

00:29:36.540 power

00:29:37.020 in

00:29:37.620 1989

00:29:39.020 just

00:29:39.900 had

00:29:40.180 to

00:29:40.360 scrap

00:29:40.740 two

00:29:41.120 laws

00:29:41.620 P.W.

00:29:43.120 Bota

00:29:43.440 was

00:29:43.820 the

00:29:44.020 guy

00:29:44.280 who

00:29:44.480 scrapped

00:29:44.900 nearly

00:29:45.420 all

00:29:45.900 the

00:29:46.060 laws

00:29:46.440 and

00:29:47.520 he

00:29:47.740 said

00:29:47.960 he's

00:29:48.220 going

00:29:48.480 to

00:29:49.420 improve

00:29:50.520 them

00:29:50.900 and

00:29:52.700 well

00:29:53.600 as you

00:29:54.000 know

00:29:54.180 nothing

00:29:54.480 improved

00:29:55.160 at

00:29:55.420 all

00:29:55.700 so

00:29:57.100 eventually

00:29:58.080 when

00:29:58.460 Evie

00:29:58.780 the

00:29:59.020 clerk

00:29:59.260 came

00:29:59.620 about

00:30:00.180 the

00:30:00.840 table

00:30:01.380 was

00:30:01.760 already

00:30:02.260 set

00:30:04.140 and

00:30:05.500 he

00:30:06.280 just

00:30:06.620 handed

00:30:06.940 over

00:30:07.340 power

00:30:07.900 so

00:30:11.020 it

00:30:11.500 just

00:30:12.620 showcases

00:30:13.560 the

00:30:14.080 real

00:30:15.060 implications

00:30:15.860 of

00:30:16.780 concessions

00:30:17.880 and why

00:30:18.580 concessions

00:30:19.820 is

00:30:20.300 such a

00:30:22.160 dangerous

00:30:22.520 thing

00:30:23.120 when it

00:30:23.540 comes to

00:30:23.960 politics

00:30:24.400 because

00:30:24.700 I remember

00:30:25.340 that

00:30:26.160 people

00:30:26.700 used to

00:30:27.340 mock

00:30:27.860 Jaap

00:30:28.340 Mare

00:30:28.600 the

00:30:28.900 late

00:30:29.180 and

00:30:30.640 great

00:30:31.020 Jaap

00:30:31.320 Mare

00:30:31.560 for

00:30:33.020 speaking

00:30:33.600 about

00:30:34.100 the

00:30:35.120 fact

00:30:35.560 that

00:30:36.000 it

00:30:36.360 was

00:30:36.660 absolutely

00:30:38.040 horrendous

00:30:39.340 that

00:30:39.580 we

00:30:39.740 would

00:30:39.920 allow

00:30:40.340 one

00:30:40.980 Maori

00:30:41.460 from

00:30:42.280 New

00:30:43.220 Zealand

00:30:43.700 to

00:30:44.220 play

00:30:44.600 in

00:30:45.360 the

00:30:46.780 rugby

00:30:47.300 in

00:30:47.680 South

00:30:47.900 Africa

00:30:48.420 Yes

00:30:51.040 Jaap

00:30:51.380 Mare

00:30:51.660 said

00:30:52.120 in

00:30:52.340 1966

00:30:53.580 if

00:30:54.820 you

00:30:55.020 allow

00:30:55.520 one

00:30:55.980 Maori

00:30:56.620 in

00:30:57.060 rugby

00:30:57.480 to

00:30:58.160 play

00:30:58.480 against

00:30:59.060 our

00:30:59.400 rugby

00:30:59.740 players

00:31:00.620 it

00:31:01.720 will

00:31:02.000 eventually

00:31:02.720 lead

00:31:03.340 to a

00:31:04.080 black

00:31:04.360 president

00:31:04.860 in

00:31:05.240 South

00:31:05.500 Africa

00:31:06.000 and

00:31:07.040 everybody

00:31:07.740 laughed

00:31:08.480 and laughed

00:31:09.280 and laughed

00:31:10.000 that was

00:31:10.540 so funny

00:31:11.220 and that

00:31:12.480 is exactly

00:31:13.200 where it

00:31:13.700 ended

00:31:14.040 so

00:31:15.320 you know

00:31:16.240 all these

00:31:17.140 laws

00:31:17.800 and

00:31:18.100 traditions

00:31:18.880 ways

00:31:19.620 of

00:31:19.880 life

00:31:20.380 they

00:31:21.480 are

00:31:21.660 all

00:31:21.900 very

00:31:22.160 closely

00:31:22.740 connected

00:31:23.400 if

00:31:24.440 you

00:31:24.580 start

00:31:24.960 taking

00:31:25.860 one

00:31:26.380 of

00:31:27.260 that

00:31:27.600 stones

00:31:29.660 away

00:31:30.160 if

00:31:30.400 you

00:31:30.520 start

00:31:30.800 taking

00:31:31.300 that

00:31:31.980 system

00:31:32.480 apart

00:31:33.040 it

00:31:33.360 will

00:31:33.720 eventually

00:31:34.400 lead

00:31:34.880 to

00:31:35.460 disintegration

00:31:36.580 and

00:31:37.300 that's

00:31:37.640 exactly

00:31:38.100 what

00:31:38.400 happened

00:31:38.740 in

00:31:39.000 South

00:31:39.220 Africa

00:31:39.700 and

00:31:40.980 today

00:31:41.520 it's

00:31:42.540 going

00:31:42.820 so

00:31:43.160 bad

00:31:43.740 I

00:31:44.620 mean

00:31:44.860 there's

00:31:45.260 not

00:31:45.520 a

00:31:45.780 single

00:31:46.240 school

00:31:47.300 or

00:31:47.620 hospital

00:31:48.160 or

00:31:48.980 government

00:31:49.560 institution

00:31:50.640 that is

00:31:51.140 still

00:31:51.380 functioning

00:31:51.980 properly

00:31:52.720 murder

00:31:54.220 rate

00:31:54.800 theft

00:31:56.360 rape

00:31:57.260 the

00:31:58.040 whole

00:31:58.300 South

00:31:58.640 African

00:31:59.060 system

00:31:59.560 is

00:31:59.820 busy

00:32:00.120 disintegrating

00:32:01.160 and

00:32:02.140 it

00:32:02.300 all

00:32:02.600 started

00:32:03.080 with

00:32:03.420 one

00:32:03.900 Maori

00:32:04.480 playing

00:32:05.520 against

00:32:06.160 our

00:32:06.460 rugby

00:32:06.760 players

00:32:07.380 that

00:32:12.520 is

00:32:12.720 very

00:32:13.020 insightful

00:32:13.600 I

00:32:13.880 see

00:32:14.040 we've

00:32:14.280 got

00:32:14.420 a

00:32:14.540 question

00:32:14.900 here

00:32:15.220 from

00:32:15.680 the

00:32:16.160 chat

00:32:16.500 external

00:32:17.420 extrapolations

00:32:18.360 feel

00:32:18.700 free

00:32:18.960 to

00:32:19.200 ask

00:32:19.380 your

00:32:19.500 question

00:32:19.840 go ahead

00:32:20.660 external

00:32:21.100 well thanks

00:32:23.860 very much

00:32:24.160 johannes

00:32:24.540 and hello

00:32:25.180 to

00:32:25.480 dr

00:32:25.820 de toy

00:32:26.200 i

00:32:27.520 did

00:32:28.680 try

00:32:28.940 to

00:32:29.300 look

00:32:29.900 up

00:32:30.180 some

00:32:31.120 of

00:32:31.240 the

00:32:31.440 personal

00:32:32.420 history

00:32:32.680 of

00:32:32.800 dr

00:32:33.000 de toy

00:32:33.340 and

00:32:33.860 i'll

00:32:34.940 leave

00:32:35.720 that

00:32:35.900 aside

00:32:36.220 just

00:32:36.400 for

00:32:36.520 now

00:32:36.860 but

00:32:37.580 what i

00:32:37.860 want

00:32:37.980 to

00:32:38.060 say

00:32:38.200 is

00:32:38.320 that

00:32:38.480 speaking

00:32:38.900 to

00:32:39.260 what

00:32:39.480 you've

00:32:39.600 just

00:32:39.740 said

00:32:40.000 there

00:32:40.220 that

00:32:40.440 FWD

00:32:41.800 clerk

00:32:42.080 dismantled

00:32:43.620 the

00:32:44.180 South

00:32:44.300 African

00:32:44.540 state

00:32:44.840 but

00:32:45.140 that

00:32:45.880 Pete

00:32:46.520 Botho

00:32:46.860 was

00:32:47.060 supposed

00:32:47.260 to

00:32:47.520 have

00:32:47.660 been

00:32:47.880 much

00:32:48.100 more

00:32:48.280 hardline

00:32:48.800 and

00:32:49.100 yet

00:32:49.280 it's

00:32:49.480 interesting

00:32:49.900 like in

00:32:50.500 the

00:32:50.600 normal

00:32:50.820 history

00:32:51.160 that

00:32:51.340 we

00:32:51.500 sort

00:32:52.720 of

00:32:52.820 thought

00:32:53.060 that

00:32:53.200 we

00:32:53.320 knew

00:32:53.520 but

00:32:54.080 very

00:32:54.300 interesting

00:32:54.680 to

00:32:54.860 hear

00:32:55.040 that

00:32:55.220 he

00:32:55.580 also

00:32:55.940 took

00:32:56.260 his

00:32:56.780 or

00:32:57.360 played

00:32:57.600 his

00:32:57.780 role

00:32:58.020 in

00:32:58.180 dismantling

00:32:58.700 or

00:32:59.940 giving

00:33:00.220 making

00:33:00.520 concessions

00:33:01.380 that

00:33:02.400 seemed

00:33:02.760 maybe

00:33:03.020 innocuous

00:33:03.500 and

00:33:03.640 like

00:33:03.800 you

00:33:03.920 said

00:33:04.080 they're

00:33:04.240 very

00:33:04.540 illustrative

00:33:05.060 although

00:33:05.500 it's

00:33:05.800 funny

00:33:06.140 it

00:33:06.620 has

00:33:06.820 borne

00:33:07.280 out

00:33:07.400 to

00:33:07.480 be

00:33:07.580 true

00:33:07.780 that

00:33:08.360 if

00:33:08.600 you

00:33:08.740 allow

00:33:09.100 anybody

00:33:09.580 to

00:33:09.840 represent

00:33:10.200 you

00:33:10.520 on

00:33:10.720 the

00:33:10.840 world

00:33:11.040 stage

00:33:11.420 even

00:33:11.660 in

00:33:11.840 sport

00:33:12.120 even

00:33:12.340 if

00:33:12.480 it

00:33:12.620 seems

00:33:12.940 that

00:33:13.120 it's

00:33:13.340 just

00:33:13.740 a

00:33:13.880 game

00:33:14.060 of

00:33:14.220 rugby

00:33:14.480 if

00:33:15.400 you

00:33:15.560 allow

00:33:15.780 somebody

00:33:16.040 who

00:33:16.160 is

00:33:16.300 not

00:33:16.560 you

00:33:16.800 to

00:33:17.060 represent

00:33:17.480 you

00:33:17.740 in

00:33:17.900 some

00:33:18.160 way

00:33:18.400 then

00:33:19.180 you've

00:33:19.560 already

00:33:19.880 given

00:33:20.220 ground

00:33:20.760 and

00:33:21.240 then

00:33:21.440 why

00:33:21.640 not

00:33:21.860 give

00:33:22.480 another

00:33:23.100 step

00:33:23.480 and

00:33:23.580 another

00:33:23.820 step

00:33:24.160 until

00:33:24.440 you've

00:33:24.720 got

00:33:24.840 nothing

00:33:25.080 left

00:33:34.240 American

00:33:34.660 CIA

00:33:35.240 member

00:33:37.240 of

00:33:38.860 the

00:33:39.200 journalist

00:33:40.360 elite

00:33:41.240 in

00:33:41.640 America

00:33:42.000 known as

00:33:43.120 William F.

00:33:43.660 Buckley

00:33:43.880 and

00:33:44.460 he

00:33:44.840 interviewed

00:33:45.340 in

00:33:45.500 1974

00:33:46.080 another

00:33:47.660 president

00:33:49.160 of

00:33:49.580 South

00:33:49.940 Africa

00:33:50.140 called

00:33:52.460 Balthasar

00:33:52.980 Johannes

00:33:53.480 Forster

00:33:54.340 and

00:33:56.100 I noted

00:33:57.820 that during

00:33:58.760 it he

00:33:59.040 was

00:33:59.360 asking

00:34:00.020 all these

00:34:00.420 very

00:34:00.720 gentle

00:34:02.060 but

00:34:02.400 probing

00:34:02.920 questions

00:34:03.780 and he

00:34:04.040 was

00:34:04.140 curious

00:34:04.700 why

00:34:05.080 this

00:34:05.300 and

00:34:05.400 why

00:34:05.540 that

00:34:05.700 and

00:34:06.220 always

00:34:06.600 I

00:34:06.780 noticed

00:34:07.160 that

00:34:07.580 Mr.

00:34:08.960 Forster

00:34:09.260 was at

00:34:09.620 pains

00:34:10.040 to try

00:34:10.440 and

00:34:10.600 prove

00:34:11.160 to him

00:34:11.340 oh no

00:34:11.640 we're

00:34:11.840 very

00:34:12.080 fair

00:34:12.420 we're

00:34:12.660 scrupulous

00:34:13.200 in the

00:34:13.760 way

00:34:13.940 that we

00:34:14.200 treat

00:34:14.480 everybody

00:34:14.780 fairly

00:34:15.220 and

00:34:15.380 our

00:34:15.520 justice

00:34:15.780 system

00:34:16.180 is

00:34:16.720 not

00:34:16.960 biased

00:34:17.380 towards

00:34:17.840 white

00:34:18.080 people

00:34:18.300 at

00:34:18.460 all

00:34:18.780 it's

00:34:18.980 tried

00:34:19.140 to

00:34:19.260 treat

00:34:19.460 everybody

00:34:19.760 fairly

00:34:20.180 and

00:34:20.300 give

00:34:20.420 everyone

00:34:20.580 an

00:34:20.740 equal

00:34:20.900 chance

00:34:21.180 always

00:34:22.060 with

00:34:22.280 the

00:34:22.420 presumption

00:34:23.040 and

00:34:24.040 by

00:34:24.280 the

00:34:24.340 way

00:34:24.460 he

00:34:24.540 interviewed

00:34:24.800 Ian Smith

00:34:25.320 of

00:34:25.460 Rhodesia

00:34:25.860 as well

00:34:26.160 in the

00:34:26.400 same year

00:34:26.720 in 74

00:34:27.060 again

00:34:27.840 there was

00:34:28.400 this

00:34:28.900 presumption

00:34:29.560 that both

00:34:29.980 of the

00:34:30.300 like

00:34:30.740 well I suppose

00:34:31.240 William Buckley

00:34:33.380 he presumed

00:34:34.820 and Ian

00:34:35.380 Smith

00:34:36.200 just took

00:34:36.780 it as

00:34:37.000 read

00:34:37.180 that it

00:34:37.860 was

00:34:38.000 somehow

00:34:38.260 the

00:34:38.440 responsibility

00:34:38.960 of the

00:34:39.580 white

00:34:39.740 man

00:34:39.940 to

00:34:40.100 educate

00:34:40.800 the

00:34:41.280 black

00:34:41.540 men

00:34:41.820 and

00:34:42.220 to

00:34:42.680 invite

00:34:43.560 them

00:34:43.720 to

00:34:43.840 live

00:34:43.960 among

00:34:44.160 them

00:34:44.300 and

00:34:44.460 enfranchise

00:34:45.160 them

00:34:45.300 and

00:34:45.460 increasingly

00:34:46.400 allow

00:34:47.380 them

00:34:47.600 to

00:34:47.780 participate

00:34:48.220 in

00:34:48.560 the

00:34:48.680 decision

00:34:49.020 making

00:34:49.320 of

00:34:50.020 their

00:34:50.260 own

00:34:50.480 society

00:34:51.000 so I

00:34:52.240 know

00:34:52.360 that's

00:34:52.660 a long

00:34:53.280 question

00:34:54.500 here

00:34:54.840 leading up

00:34:55.480 to

00:34:55.580 it

00:34:55.700 I've

00:34:56.200 tried

00:34:56.440 to

00:34:56.620 ask

00:34:56.860 myself

00:34:57.180 so

00:34:57.840 at

00:34:58.120 what

00:34:58.300 point

00:34:58.700 did

00:34:59.180 we

00:34:59.320 start

00:34:59.640 giving

00:34:59.940 ground

00:35:00.360 I

00:35:00.600 think

00:35:00.940 I

00:35:01.040 have

00:35:04.820 to

00:35:04.940 why

00:35:07.340 do

00:35:07.980 you

00:35:08.120 think

00:35:08.400 we

00:35:08.640 started

00:35:08.920 giving

00:35:09.140 ground

00:35:09.420 and

00:35:09.560 when

00:35:09.780 do

00:35:09.900 you

00:35:09.980 think

00:35:10.140 we

00:35:10.280 started

00:35:10.660 doing

00:35:11.040 it

00:35:11.260 to

00:35:11.580 allow

00:35:12.000 other

00:35:12.200 people

00:35:12.360 to

00:35:12.500 represent

00:35:12.840 us

00:35:13.280 you

00:35:17.080 know

00:35:18.480 it's

00:35:18.840 not

00:35:19.280 always

00:35:19.840 that

00:35:20.220 easy

00:35:20.560 to

00:35:20.780 say

00:35:21.120 why

00:35:22.320 and

00:35:22.680 how

00:35:23.040 and

00:35:23.320 when

00:35:23.700 but

00:35:25.200 we

00:35:26.520 do

00:35:27.200 know

00:35:27.580 that

00:35:27.900 it

00:35:28.220 started

00:35:29.240 in

00:35:30.140 1966

00:35:31.020 with

00:35:31.580 John

00:35:31.900 Foster

00:35:32.400 he

00:35:33.880 gradually

00:35:34.660 moved

00:35:36.120 away

00:35:36.540 from

00:35:36.900 apartheid

00:35:37.520 but

00:35:37.740 in

00:35:37.920 such

00:35:38.260 a

00:35:38.440 way

00:35:38.680 that

00:35:39.420 nobody

00:35:39.960 could

00:35:40.300 really

00:35:40.700 accuse

00:35:42.160 him

00:35:42.460 of

00:35:43.940 doing

00:35:44.280 it

00:35:44.640 but

00:35:45.660 there's

00:35:45.960 something

00:35:46.360 else

00:35:46.800 that's

00:35:47.120 very

00:35:47.360 important

00:35:48.060 and

00:35:48.940 that

00:35:49.200 is

00:35:49.400 remember

00:35:49.940 the

00:35:50.260 struggle

00:35:50.720 in

00:35:51.040 the

00:35:51.780 southern

00:35:52.220 Africa

00:35:52.920 area

00:35:53.940 wasn't

00:35:54.960 just

00:35:55.320 about

00:35:55.740 South

00:35:56.140 Africa

00:35:56.640 it

00:35:57.500 was

00:35:57.780 also

00:35:58.220 about

00:35:58.840 Mozambique

00:35:59.840 Angola

00:36:01.000 Rhodesia

00:36:02.180 and

00:36:02.760 South

00:36:03.100 West

00:36:03.380 Africa

00:36:03.940 and

00:36:05.340 you

00:36:05.820 know

00:36:06.020 I

00:36:06.280 can't

00:36:08.140 help

00:36:08.780 but

00:36:09.020 laugh

00:36:09.360 sometimes

00:36:10.100 when

00:36:10.980 I

00:36:11.200 see

00:36:11.520 on

00:36:11.860 functions

00:36:13.840 like

00:36:14.320 YouTube

00:36:14.940 they

00:36:15.740 are

00:36:15.920 quoting

00:36:16.340 John

00:36:16.720 Foster

00:36:17.200 and

00:36:17.640 there's

00:36:17.960 even

00:36:18.240 videos

00:36:18.740 of

00:36:19.020 him

00:36:19.260 where

00:36:20.060 he

00:36:20.240 is

00:36:20.460 saying

00:36:20.740 how

00:36:21.040 he

00:36:21.240 will

00:36:21.440 defend

00:36:21.880 the

00:36:22.100 white

00:36:22.360 man

00:36:22.640 in

00:36:22.820 South

00:36:23.040 Africa

00:36:23.520 but

00:36:24.320 what

00:36:24.600 few

00:36:25.060 people

00:36:25.560 knew

00:36:26.060 know

00:36:26.820 is

00:36:28.040 that

00:36:28.280 he

00:36:28.520 was

00:36:28.860 the

00:36:29.060 main

00:36:29.520 guy

00:36:30.060 that

00:36:30.780 refused

00:36:31.440 to

00:36:31.700 go

00:36:31.940 and

00:36:32.180 help

00:36:32.480 the

00:36:32.700 Portuguese

00:36:33.160 in

00:36:33.700 Angola

00:36:34.220 and

00:36:34.460 Mozambique

00:36:35.140 he

00:36:36.260 was

00:36:36.600 the

00:36:36.800 guy

00:36:37.160 that

00:36:38.280 forced

00:36:39.000 Ian

00:36:39.440 Smith

00:36:39.980 to hand

00:36:41.220 over

00:36:41.500 power

00:36:42.040 to

00:36:42.820 the

00:36:44.020 black

00:36:44.320 people

00:36:44.820 in

00:36:45.140 1980

00:36:45.880 because

00:36:46.880 he

00:36:47.200 cut

00:36:47.540 off

00:36:47.820 all

00:36:48.340 our

00:36:48.760 oil

00:36:49.300 and

00:36:49.760 our

00:36:50.040 petrol

00:36:50.540 and

00:36:50.960 diesel

00:36:51.280 supplies

00:36:52.000 to

00:36:52.600 Rhodesia

00:36:53.220 he

00:36:54.000 was

00:36:54.320 the

00:36:54.520 guy

00:36:54.900 that

00:36:55.140 played

00:36:55.500 the

00:36:55.780 major

00:36:56.220 role

00:36:56.680 in

00:36:57.660 handing

00:36:58.820 over

00:36:59.220 South

00:36:59.560 West

00:36:59.840 Africa

00:37:00.440 to

00:37:01.400 the

00:37:01.620 black

00:37:01.880 people

00:37:02.320 although

00:37:02.740 he

00:37:03.220 already

00:37:04.140 was

00:37:04.900 not

00:37:05.240 prime

00:37:07.000 minister

00:37:07.380 anymore

00:37:07.900 when it

00:37:08.280 happened

00:37:08.640 but he

00:37:09.180 laid

00:37:09.500 the

00:37:09.680 ground

00:37:10.040 so

00:37:11.180 it

00:37:12.260 all

00:37:12.540 started

00:37:12.920 with

00:37:13.180 John

00:37:13.480 Foster

00:37:13.980 now

00:37:15.580 Mr.

00:37:17.400 Jaap

00:37:17.720 Marais

00:37:18.060 wrote

00:37:18.380 a book

00:37:18.860 where

00:37:20.420 he

00:37:20.600 said

00:37:20.940 and

00:37:21.780 it's

00:37:22.020 actually

00:37:22.380 quite

00:37:22.820 easy

00:37:23.160 to

00:37:23.400 understand

00:37:24.000 if

00:37:24.920 somebody

00:37:25.520 gets

00:37:26.000 killed

00:37:26.440 like

00:37:27.900 Dr.

00:37:28.360 Verwoerd

00:37:28.780 in

00:37:28.960 1966

00:37:29.960 who

00:37:31.460 would

00:37:31.780 have

00:37:31.960 benefited

00:37:32.600 the

00:37:32.940 most

00:37:33.320 and

00:37:34.080 the

00:37:34.260 answer

00:37:34.620 is

00:37:34.880 quite

00:37:35.200 clear

00:37:35.700 and

00:37:36.180 very

00:37:36.480 easy

00:37:36.800 to

00:37:37.020 understand

00:37:37.640 John

00:37:38.540 Foster

00:37:39.040 benefited

00:37:39.700 the

00:37:40.000 most

00:37:40.240 because

00:37:40.680 he

00:37:40.920 became

00:37:41.540 the

00:37:42.160 next

00:37:42.540 prime

00:37:42.980 minister

00:37:43.340 of

00:37:43.600 South

00:37:43.860 Africa

00:37:44.380 so

00:37:45.900 Mr.

00:37:48.520 Marais

00:37:48.900 explained

00:37:49.620 in

00:37:50.260 detail

00:37:50.840 that

00:37:51.900 there

00:37:52.140 is

00:37:52.520 some

00:37:53.320 connection

00:37:53.980 between

00:37:54.800 Stavendas

00:37:55.560 who killed

00:37:56.420 Verwoerd

00:37:57.580 Lang Hendrik

00:38:01.800 van den Berg

00:38:02.620 who acted

00:38:04.160 as his

00:38:05.060 sidekick

00:38:06.380 with

00:38:07.640 Bos

00:38:08.100 and

00:38:09.960 other

00:38:15.560 groupings

00:38:16.440 like

00:38:16.720 the

00:38:16.940 Oppenheimers

00:38:17.800 and

00:38:18.120 other

00:38:18.540 in

00:38:21.660 Afrikaans

00:38:22.240 we call

00:38:22.700 them

00:38:22.920 Geld

00:38:23.340 Macht

00:38:23.700 Money

00:38:24.340 Powers

00:38:25.100 and

00:38:26.280 they

00:38:26.520 all

00:38:26.860 worked

00:38:27.260 together

00:38:28.040 to get

00:38:28.740 vervoerd

00:38:29.260 out of

00:38:29.660 the way

00:38:30.060 and to

00:38:31.020 put

00:38:31.280 John

00:38:31.580 Foster

00:38:32.040 in

00:38:32.300 power

00:38:32.800 and

00:38:33.980 it

00:38:34.240 is

00:38:34.480 since

00:38:34.820 John

00:38:35.240 John

00:38:35.900 Foster

00:38:36.420 was

00:38:36.820 prime

00:38:37.220 minister

00:38:37.600 that

00:38:38.320 all

00:38:38.660 these

00:38:38.980 things

00:38:39.360 started

00:38:39.920 so

00:38:41.260 without

00:38:42.320 any

00:38:42.760 doubt

00:38:43.160 it

00:38:43.380 started

00:38:43.780 with

00:38:44.080 John

00:38:44.400 Foster

00:38:44.900 in

00:38:46.040 1966

00:38:46.900 and

00:38:48.160 that's

00:38:48.560 the

00:38:48.740 reason

00:38:49.140 why

00:38:49.680 the

00:38:49.880 leaders

00:38:50.260 of

00:38:50.560 the

00:38:50.740 HNP

00:38:51.360 broke

00:38:51.760 away

00:38:52.100 in

00:38:52.360 1969

00:38:53.480 but

00:38:54.700 without

00:38:55.160 any

00:38:55.520 doubt

00:38:55.920 it

00:38:56.240 was

00:38:56.480 John

00:38:56.800 Foster

00:38:57.280 and

00:38:58.180 he

00:38:58.420 had

00:38:58.720 connections

00:39:02.060 through

00:39:03.520 Lang Hendrik

00:39:04.820 van den Berg

00:39:05.600 with

00:39:06.720 people

00:39:07.380 in the

00:39:08.120 money

00:39:08.660 power

00:39:09.200 groupings

00:39:09.980 the

00:39:11.000 Oppenheimers

00:39:12.060 probably

00:39:15.200 even

00:39:15.680 the

00:39:15.920 communist

00:39:16.300 party

00:39:17.060 because

00:39:18.540 he

00:39:18.900 knew

00:39:20.200 the

00:39:23.720 husband

00:39:24.240 of

00:39:24.560 Roof

00:39:24.920 first

00:39:25.440 which

00:39:26.320 was

00:39:26.820 also

00:39:28.960 at

00:39:29.220 one

00:39:29.480 stage

00:39:29.880 incarcerated

00:39:32.040 by the

00:39:32.740 government

00:39:33.180 but so

00:39:34.160 to answer

00:39:34.800 you

00:39:35.160 the

00:39:36.060 person

00:39:36.620 who

00:39:37.040 started

00:39:37.940 it

00:39:38.260 all

00:39:38.660 was

00:39:39.400 John

00:39:39.740 Foster

00:39:40.240 we

00:39:41.300 can

00:39:41.680 speculate

00:39:44.560 about

00:39:45.260 his

00:39:45.560 reasons

00:39:46.120 but

00:39:47.200 definitely

00:39:48.300 there

00:39:49.520 would have

00:39:50.340 been

00:39:50.600 good

00:39:51.000 reasons

00:39:51.500 why

00:39:51.840 he

00:39:52.000 did

00:39:52.160 it

00:39:52.460 most

00:39:54.160 probably

00:39:54.740 the

00:39:56.820 him

00:39:58.040 being

00:39:58.600 manipulated

00:40:01.540 by

00:40:02.580 other

00:40:02.940 groups

00:40:03.460 or

00:40:03.800 he

00:40:03.960 willingly

00:40:04.460 played

00:40:05.440 along

00:40:05.860 with

00:40:06.080 these

00:40:06.340 other

00:40:06.680 groups

00:40:07.100 the

00:40:07.320 most

00:40:08.120 important

00:40:08.720 being

00:40:09.120 the

00:40:09.380 money

00:40:09.740 power

00:40:10.980 in

00:40:11.300 South

00:40:11.580 Africa

00:40:12.020 the

00:40:12.340 money

00:40:12.560 power

00:40:13.020 in

00:40:13.240 the

00:40:13.380 world

00:40:13.800 very

00:40:18.740 interesting

00:40:19.420 perhaps

00:40:20.300 before

00:40:20.700 we

00:40:20.980 take

00:40:21.380 a

00:40:21.800 next

00:40:22.300 question

00:40:22.860 just

00:40:23.660 for

00:40:23.900 the

00:40:24.080 sake

00:40:24.400 just

00:40:25.220 because

00:40:25.620 we

00:40:25.840 want

00:40:26.120 to

00:40:26.220 establish

00:40:26.580 the

00:40:26.820 fact

00:40:27.060 that

00:40:27.280 this

00:40:27.560 is

00:40:27.900 our

00:40:28.220 country

00:40:28.740 who

00:40:30.640 was

00:40:31.140 it

00:40:31.400 that

00:40:32.060 added

00:40:33.700 German

00:40:35.980 West

00:40:36.360 Africa

00:40:36.920 into

00:40:38.100 South

00:40:39.000 Africa

00:40:39.560 who

00:40:40.960 was

00:40:41.140 responsible

00:40:41.700 for

00:40:42.180 making

00:40:42.620 German

00:40:43.100 West

00:40:43.380 Africa

00:40:43.780 part

00:40:44.140 of

00:40:44.240 South

00:40:44.440 Africa

00:40:44.740 look

00:40:47.100 South

00:40:48.020 West

00:40:48.280 Africa

00:40:48.780 was

00:40:49.120 first

00:40:49.440 known

00:40:49.700 as

00:40:49.960 German

00:40:50.400 South

00:40:50.820 West

00:40:51.080 Africa

00:40:51.540 it

00:40:51.800 was

00:40:52.040 a

00:40:52.220 German

00:40:52.500 colony

00:40:53.060 and

00:40:54.320 when

00:40:54.640 World

00:40:55.000 War

00:40:55.280 I

00:40:55.600 broke

00:40:56.040 out

00:40:57.600 the

00:40:58.820 British

00:40:59.380 government

00:40:59.940 asked

00:41:00.700 the

00:41:01.020 then

00:41:01.300 South

00:41:01.640 African

00:41:02.100 government

00:41:02.720 to invade

00:41:03.820 South

00:41:04.220 West

00:41:04.480 Africa

00:41:04.960 and

00:41:05.940 drive

00:41:06.300 the Germans

00:41:06.920 out

00:41:07.400 which

00:41:08.540 Louis

00:41:09.540 Smuts

00:41:11.280 did

00:41:12.020 in

00:41:12.300 1914

00:41:13.180 so

00:41:14.940 South

00:41:16.020 West

00:41:16.260 Africa

00:41:16.760 was

00:41:17.420 captured

00:41:21.740 by

00:41:22.240 South

00:41:22.580 Africa

00:41:23.080 and

00:41:24.140 there

00:41:24.460 after

00:41:24.900 the

00:41:25.460 United

00:41:26.200 Nations

00:41:27.060 or

00:41:27.880 rather

00:41:28.200 the

00:41:28.440 old

00:41:28.920 Volkebond

00:41:32.500 I don't

00:41:32.900 know what

00:41:33.220 you call

00:41:33.580 Volkebond

00:41:34.280 in English

00:41:35.000 they

00:41:36.160 sanctioned

00:41:38.620 our

00:41:39.000 control

00:41:39.640 over

00:41:39.980 South

00:41:40.300 West

00:41:40.540 Africa

00:41:41.080 to the

00:41:42.160 extent

00:41:42.720 and

00:41:43.080 that

00:41:44.120 South

00:41:44.440 Africa

00:41:44.940 South

00:41:45.360 West

00:41:45.660 Africa

00:41:46.200 became

00:41:47.440 a sort

00:41:47.840 of

00:41:48.080 fifth

00:41:48.380 province

00:41:50.480 of the

00:41:50.960 Republic

00:41:51.420 of South

00:41:51.960 Africa

00:41:52.440 we never

00:41:53.840 had

00:41:54.200 really

00:41:55.520 a legal

00:41:57.220 claim

00:41:57.820 on

00:41:58.120 South

00:41:58.420 West

00:41:58.680 Africa

00:41:59.180 but

00:41:59.960 for

00:42:00.200 all

00:42:00.480 practical

00:42:01.020 purposes

00:42:01.740 it

00:42:02.080 was

00:42:02.280 part

00:42:02.580 of

00:42:02.740 South

00:42:03.000 Africa

00:42:03.520 even

00:42:04.760 today

00:42:05.340 if you

00:42:05.660 go and

00:42:05.980 have a

00:42:06.280 look at

00:42:06.620 where the

00:42:07.000 various

00:42:07.520 population

00:42:08.800 groups are

00:42:09.480 staying in

00:42:09.960 South

00:42:10.220 West

00:42:10.480 Africa

00:42:11.040 nearly

00:42:13.600 all the

00:42:14.140 blacks are

00:42:14.660 staying in

00:42:15.220 the

00:42:15.400 North

00:42:15.780 you

00:42:16.820 get a

00:42:17.800 small

00:42:18.400 colored

00:42:20.380 community

00:42:21.200 known as

00:42:22.360 the

00:42:22.580 Busters

00:42:23.020 in the

00:42:23.780 South

00:42:24.080 of

00:42:24.280 South

00:42:24.560 West

00:42:24.760 Africa

00:42:25.240 and the

00:42:26.320 rest of

00:42:26.740 South

00:42:27.020 West

00:42:27.260 Africa

00:42:27.740 was a

00:42:28.320 white

00:42:28.660 territory

00:42:29.380 at one

00:42:31.020 stage

00:42:31.600 when

00:42:32.340 the

00:42:32.980 liberal

00:42:33.400 powers

00:42:34.860 in the

00:42:35.200 world

00:42:35.580 wanted

00:42:36.620 to take

00:42:37.240 away

00:42:37.600 South

00:42:37.920 West

00:42:38.180 Africa

00:42:38.620 from

00:42:38.960 South

00:42:39.520 Africa

00:42:40.040 they

00:42:41.020 brought

00:42:41.680 this

00:42:42.360 issue

00:42:42.720 before

00:42:43.100 the

00:42:43.360 International

00:42:44.040 Court

00:42:44.520 of

00:42:44.720 Justice

00:42:45.160 and

00:42:46.400 the

00:42:46.600 International

00:42:47.320 Court

00:42:47.800 of

00:42:48.000 Justice

00:42:48.460 said

00:42:49.260 no

00:42:50.380 we

00:42:51.180 cannot

00:42:51.780 take

00:42:52.360 away

00:42:52.720 South

00:42:53.120 West

00:42:53.420 Africa

00:42:53.920 from

00:42:54.240 South

00:42:54.600 Africa

00:42:55.100 it's

00:42:55.900 an

00:42:56.100 integral

00:42:56.580 part

00:42:57.280 of

00:42:57.540 South

00:42:57.840 Africa

00:42:58.340 and

00:42:58.660 it

00:42:58.800 must

00:42:59.060 stay

00:42:59.460 that

00:42:59.740 way

00:43:00.080 so

00:43:01.120 in

00:43:02.100 for

00:43:02.780 all

00:43:03.140 practical

00:43:03.680 purposes

00:43:04.560 South

00:43:05.520 West

00:43:05.780 Africa

00:43:06.220 was

00:43:06.560 part

00:43:06.900 of

00:43:07.060 South

00:43:07.380 Africa

00:43:08.420 we

00:43:09.200 had

00:43:09.420 international

00:43:10.240 sanction

00:43:10.940 or

00:43:12.420 approval

00:43:13.100 to

00:43:14.020 keep

00:43:14.760 it

00:43:14.940 like

00:43:15.200 that

00:43:15.520 and

00:43:16.000 despite

00:43:16.540 that

00:43:17.040 John

00:43:17.600 Foster

00:43:18.100 started

00:43:19.100 the

00:43:19.400 process

00:43:19.960 of

00:43:21.020 getting

00:43:24.500 rid

00:43:24.840 of

00:43:25.080 South

00:43:25.380 Africa

00:43:26.160 amazing

00:43:28.920 and

00:43:29.540 very

00:43:29.860 very

00:43:30.120 interesting

00:43:30.660 also

00:43:31.280 very

00:43:31.620 very

00:43:31.860 relevant

00:43:32.320 just

00:43:33.580 to

00:43:33.800 show

00:43:34.260 how

00:43:35.220 you

00:43:35.520 know

00:43:35.720 underhanded

00:43:36.600 and

00:43:37.720 how

00:43:37.960 unfairly

00:43:38.880 the

00:43:39.420 wide

00:43:39.780 population

00:43:40.480 of

00:43:40.920 South

00:43:41.180 Africa

00:43:41.600 have

00:43:41.920 been

00:43:42.100 treated

00:43:42.460 thank

00:43:42.760 you

00:43:42.860 Dr.

00:43:43.140 Mike

00:43:43.300 so

00:43:43.600 I

00:43:44.460 think

00:43:44.740 we've

00:43:45.120 got

00:43:45.400 another

00:43:46.240 author

00:43:46.700 here

00:43:47.120 Frank

00:43:48.700 De Silva

00:43:49.300 welcome

00:43:50.760 Frank

00:43:51.320 it's

00:43:51.800 it's

00:43:52.080 a

00:43:52.200 pleasure

00:43:52.420 having

00:43:52.760 you

00:43:52.920 here

00:43:53.140 I

00:43:53.380 think

00:43:53.820 that

00:43:54.000 you

00:43:54.100 will

00:43:54.240 find

00:43:54.540 tonight's

00:43:55.020 conversation

00:43:55.680 very

00:43:56.940 interesting

00:43:57.940 I

00:43:58.580 see

00:43:58.740 you've

00:43:58.920 got

00:43:59.040 a

00:43:59.220 question

00:43:59.640 for

00:43:59.980 Dr.

00:44:00.320 Mike

00:44:00.560 please

00:44:01.480 feel

00:44:02.080 free

00:44:02.480 to

00:44:03.200 ask

00:44:03.860 him

00:44:04.100 what

00:44:04.480 you

00:44:04.600 want

00:44:04.780 to

00:44:04.900 ask

00:44:05.120 him

00:44:05.300 yeah

00:44:06.440 thank

00:44:06.820 you

00:44:07.040 Dr.

00:44:08.040 Dutui

00:44:08.480 I'm

00:44:08.740 a

00:44:08.880 fellow

00:44:09.220 political

00:44:10.140 prisoner

00:44:10.580 just

00:44:10.880 like

00:44:11.100 yourself

00:44:11.580 it's

00:44:12.240 I'm

00:44:12.880 very

00:44:13.080 grateful

00:44:13.480 that

00:44:13.680 you

00:44:13.840 survived

00:44:14.420 your

00:44:14.660 experience

00:44:15.400 some

00:44:16.840 of

00:44:16.940 my

00:44:17.120 comrades

00:44:17.460 in

00:44:17.980 the

00:44:18.340 United

00:44:18.600 States

00:44:19.180 who

00:44:19.940 died

00:44:20.400 in

00:44:20.720 American

00:44:21.240 gulags

00:44:21.980 with

00:44:23.220 South

00:44:23.500 Africa

00:44:23.860 heavily

00:44:24.900 on their

00:44:25.460 hearts

00:44:25.860 over the

00:44:26.640 many

00:44:26.800 many

00:44:27.020 years

00:44:27.420 and so

00:44:28.240 what

00:44:28.760 I

00:44:28.880 want

00:44:29.040 to

00:44:29.140 ask

00:44:29.480 you

00:44:29.680 is

00:44:30.000 it's

00:44:30.520 a

00:44:30.880 segue

00:44:31.160 into

00:44:31.960 what

00:44:32.200 you

00:44:32.400 are

00:44:32.680 what

00:44:33.980 you're

00:44:34.200 presently

00:44:34.680 discussing

00:44:35.240 and that

00:44:35.680 is

00:44:35.960 if

00:44:36.240 you

00:44:36.660 don't

00:44:36.880 mind

00:44:37.100 let

00:44:37.260 me

00:44:37.340 take

00:44:37.580 you

00:44:37.720 back

00:44:37.980 to

00:44:38.160 General

00:44:38.520 C.

00:44:38.820 Duet

00:44:39.220 when

00:44:40.580 the

00:44:40.780 boers

00:44:41.100 were

00:44:41.480 enlisted

00:44:42.060 to

00:44:42.420 protect

00:44:43.080 their

00:44:44.180 native

00:44:44.520 soil

00:44:45.100 and

00:44:46.060 their

00:44:46.280 families

00:44:46.980 what

00:44:47.840 I'm

00:44:48.260 interested

00:44:48.840 in

00:44:49.140 doctor

00:44:49.460 is

00:44:50.060 the

00:44:50.780 powers

00:44:51.600 that

00:44:52.560 number

00:44:53.300 one

00:44:53.620 were

00:44:53.840 supporting

00:44:54.520 the

00:44:55.440 military

00:44:56.040 effort

00:44:56.600 by

00:44:57.620 Christian

00:44:58.360 Duet

00:44:58.760 the

00:45:00.140 military

00:45:00.660 was

00:45:00.980 formed

00:45:01.500 the

00:45:01.800 government

00:45:02.120 of

00:45:02.320 South

00:45:02.580 Africa

00:45:02.940 is

00:45:03.340 basically

00:45:03.940 being

00:45:04.800 reformed

00:45:06.040 because

00:45:06.380 of this

00:45:06.840 confrontation

00:45:07.600 with

00:45:08.120 England

00:45:08.900 how

00:45:10.340 did

00:45:10.760 the

00:45:11.000 American

00:45:11.640 British

00:45:13.280 and

00:45:14.560 United

00:45:15.740 Nations

00:45:16.320 well

00:45:16.720 not

00:45:16.960 even

00:45:17.120 the

00:45:17.280 United

00:45:17.480 Nations

00:45:17.840 but

00:45:18.120 the

00:45:18.460 European

00:45:19.160 powers

00:45:19.880 including

00:45:20.340 Germany

00:45:20.940 at

00:45:21.900 what

00:45:22.160 point

00:45:22.620 did

00:45:22.900 they

00:45:23.200 coalesce

00:45:24.300 as

00:45:25.100 a

00:45:25.340 group

00:45:25.820 in

00:45:26.440 South

00:45:26.840 Africa

00:45:27.380 either

00:45:28.800 aiding

00:45:29.340 or detracting

00:45:30.540 from the

00:45:31.020 South

00:45:31.280 African

00:45:31.660 government

00:45:32.160 and

00:45:32.980 then

00:45:33.400 20

00:45:34.120 or

00:45:34.300 30

00:45:34.580 years

00:45:34.880 down

00:45:35.140 the

00:45:35.340 road

00:45:35.640 what

00:45:36.180 role

00:45:37.000 did

00:45:37.740 America

00:45:38.420 specifically

00:45:40.180 play

00:45:40.920 in

00:45:41.560 the

00:45:41.700 destruction

00:45:42.320 of

00:45:42.920 South

00:45:43.280 Africa

00:45:43.800 and

00:45:44.200 what

00:45:45.260 I'm

00:45:45.460 getting

00:45:45.720 at

00:45:45.880 I

00:45:46.040 want

00:45:46.280 to

00:45:46.380 hear

00:45:46.580 more

00:45:46.920 names

00:45:47.480 I

00:45:47.640 want

00:45:47.800 to

00:45:47.900 hear

00:45:48.100 American

00:45:48.900 politicians

00:45:50.180 financiers

00:45:52.180 working

00:45:52.680 with

00:45:53.320 the

00:45:54.140 city

00:45:54.400 of

00:45:54.600 London

00:45:54.940 in

00:45:55.520 England

00:45:55.960 who

00:45:57.060 were

00:45:57.340 at

00:45:57.600 odds

00:45:58.060 with

00:45:58.560 the

00:45:59.180 South

00:45:59.420 Africans

00:45:59.900 and

00:46:00.060 the

00:46:00.200 South

00:46:00.420 African

00:46:00.740 government

00:46:01.180 if

00:46:01.800 you

00:46:01.940 do

00:46:02.220 that

00:46:02.540 it

00:46:02.700 will

00:46:02.840 provide

00:46:03.280 a

00:46:03.480 larger

00:46:04.140 picture

00:46:05.220 to

00:46:05.740 your

00:46:06.240 American

00:46:06.700 audience

00:46:07.300 and

00:46:08.340 Americans

00:46:09.140 can

00:46:09.500 relate

00:46:09.940 a lot

00:46:10.320 of

00:46:10.420 these

00:46:10.620 moves

00:46:11.000 to

00:46:11.200 NGOs

00:46:11.920 to

00:46:12.980 money

00:46:13.540 to

00:46:14.880 international

00:46:15.880 manipulation

00:46:16.680 and

00:46:17.780 then

00:46:17.960 ultimately

00:46:18.660 why

00:46:19.840 destroy

00:46:20.800 South

00:46:22.300 Africa

00:46:22.780 why

00:46:23.260 destroy

00:46:23.920 that

00:46:24.200 industrial

00:46:24.700 base

00:46:25.380 in

00:46:25.940 South

00:46:26.340 Africa

00:46:26.780 that's

00:46:27.560 those

00:46:27.780 are

00:46:27.920 questions

00:46:28.300 I've

00:46:28.580 had

00:46:28.840 for

00:46:29.060 many

00:46:29.400 many

00:46:29.640 many

00:46:29.880 years

00:46:30.320 thank

00:46:30.860 you

00:46:31.220 Frank

00:46:34.320 thanks

00:46:34.920 for

00:46:35.160 the

00:46:35.340 question

00:46:35.880 look

00:46:38.700 South

00:46:39.120 Africa

00:46:39.760 had

00:46:41.360 a

00:46:41.600 system

00:46:42.120 very

00:46:42.820 much

00:46:43.300 like

00:46:43.860 national

00:46:45.420 socialist

00:46:46.200 Germany

00:46:47.040 based

00:46:47.780 on

00:46:48.060 race

00:46:48.540 and

00:46:50.860 apparently

00:46:53.140 there's

00:46:53.540 in the

00:46:53.800 world

00:46:54.020 just

00:46:54.460 one

00:46:55.100 of

00:46:55.560 two

00:46:55.800 systems

00:46:56.520 or

00:46:57.180 rather

00:46:57.420 let me

00:46:57.820 say

00:46:58.120 there's

00:46:59.000 a

00:46:59.200 struggle

00:46:59.600 between

00:47:00.240 two

00:47:00.740 types

00:47:01.180 of

00:47:01.380 political

00:47:01.860 systems

00:47:02.600 the

00:47:03.600 one

00:47:03.940 is

00:47:04.420 a

00:47:04.760 system

00:47:05.120 based

00:47:05.540 on

00:47:05.800 race

00:47:06.220 and

00:47:07.180 the

00:47:07.360 other

00:47:07.620 one

00:47:07.920 is

00:47:08.180 a

00:47:08.380 system

00:47:08.820 based

00:47:09.360 on

00:47:09.820 non

00:47:11.580 racial

00:47:12.220 society

00:47:14.280 where

00:47:15.540 everybody

00:47:16.020 is

00:47:16.460 just

00:47:16.740 a

00:47:16.980 human

00:47:17.300 being

00:47:17.720 and

00:47:17.980 everybody

00:47:18.460 can

00:47:19.200 take

00:47:19.920 part

00:47:20.260 in

00:47:20.420 the

00:47:20.560 political

00:47:21.000 process

00:47:21.560 so

00:47:22.800 it

00:47:23.000 was

00:47:23.280 quite

00:47:23.660 important

00:47:24.460 for

00:47:25.420 the

00:47:25.660 liberal

00:47:26.000 powers

00:47:26.600 in

00:47:26.780 the

00:47:26.940 world

00:47:27.340 to

00:47:27.660 destroy

00:47:28.180 South

00:47:28.600 Africa

00:47:29.160 because

00:47:31.260 South

00:47:31.600 Africa

00:47:32.140 was

00:47:33.100 a

00:47:33.300 living

00:47:33.560 example

00:47:34.300 that

00:47:34.860 a

00:47:35.080 system

00:47:35.420 based

00:47:35.860 on

00:47:36.100 race

00:47:36.420 can

00:47:36.700 work

00:47:37.160 so

00:47:38.180 it

00:47:38.360 was

00:47:38.640 very

00:47:39.040 very

00:47:39.340 important

00:47:39.940 to

00:47:40.300 the

00:47:40.500 liberal

00:47:40.800 powers

00:47:41.320 of

00:47:41.540 the

00:47:41.680 world

00:47:42.020 especially

00:47:43.340 Britain

00:47:44.220 and

00:47:44.660 the

00:47:44.800 United

00:47:45.160 States

00:47:45.580 of

00:47:45.780 America

00:47:46.240 to

00:47:46.480 destroy

00:47:47.040 us

00:47:47.440 and

00:47:48.900 yes

00:47:49.280 I

00:47:49.500 don't

00:47:49.800 know

00:47:50.120 who

00:47:50.660 the

00:47:50.900 major

00:47:52.460 figures

00:47:54.500 in

00:47:54.780 America

00:47:55.280 were

00:47:55.840 who

00:47:56.760 helped

00:47:57.480 destroying

00:47:57.980 South

00:47:58.340 Africa

00:47:58.780 but

00:47:59.600 it

00:47:59.780 would

00:47:59.980 have

00:48:00.200 been

00:48:00.440 all

00:48:00.820 the

00:48:01.000 leaders

00:48:01.380 of

00:48:01.680 the

00:48:01.840 United

00:48:02.220 States

00:48:02.760 from

00:48:03.120 about

00:48:03.560 1980

00:48:04.520 they

00:48:06.260 were

00:48:08.060 the

00:48:08.400 instigators

00:48:09.400 they

00:48:09.840 were

00:48:10.080 the

00:48:10.340 persons

00:48:10.820 who

00:48:11.180 applied

00:48:12.020 sanctions

00:48:12.660 against

00:48:13.180 us

00:48:13.660 they

00:48:14.960 were

00:48:16.420 the

00:48:16.680 British

00:48:17.100 too

00:48:17.400 of course

00:48:18.040 and

00:48:19.380 they

00:48:20.100 pressurized

00:48:21.120 us

00:48:21.600 so

00:48:23.040 Britain

00:48:24.160 and

00:48:24.980 the

00:48:25.140 United

00:48:25.520 States

00:48:26.000 of

00:48:26.220 America

00:48:26.780 were

00:48:27.760 probably

00:48:28.300 the

00:48:28.600 two

00:48:28.900 most

00:48:29.400 important

00:48:30.220 powers

00:48:30.740 in the

00:48:31.080 world

00:48:31.460 that

00:48:32.120 wanted

00:48:32.460 to

00:48:32.700 destroy

00:48:33.180 us

00:48:33.560 I

00:48:35.900 can't

00:48:36.580 remember

00:48:37.000 now

00:48:37.380 who

00:48:37.660 were

00:48:38.000 the

00:48:38.300 leaders

00:48:39.020 of

00:48:39.300 America

00:48:39.800 since

00:48:40.200 the

00:48:40.440 1980s

00:48:41.420 but

00:48:42.280 they

00:48:42.580 were

00:48:42.820 the

00:48:43.000 ones

00:48:43.300 who

00:48:43.480 did

00:48:43.680 it

00:48:44.020 Frank

00:48:52.760 do you

00:48:53.080 want

00:48:53.260 to

00:48:53.400 follow

00:48:53.620 up

00:48:53.840 on

00:48:53.960 that

00:48:54.140 Frank

00:49:00.620 did

00:49:00.780 you

00:49:00.860 have

00:49:01.000 a

00:49:01.120 follow

00:49:01.360 up

00:49:01.600 yeah

00:49:02.660 sorry

00:49:02.960 about

00:49:03.140 that

00:49:03.320 my

00:49:03.480 phone

00:49:03.720 is

00:49:03.860 in

00:49:03.980 my

00:49:04.140 pocket

00:49:04.480 I'm

00:49:05.380 walking

00:49:05.680 around

00:49:05.940 the

00:49:06.100 house

00:49:06.320 yeah

00:49:07.780 I

00:49:08.040 want

00:49:09.240 more

00:49:10.420 in-depth

00:49:12.840 discussion

00:49:13.540 doctor

00:49:14.000 from

00:49:15.160 the

00:49:15.620 time

00:49:15.940 period

00:49:16.360 of

00:49:16.620 the

00:49:16.780 end

00:49:17.020 of

00:49:17.140 the

00:49:17.280 Boer

00:49:17.520 War

00:49:17.860 to

00:49:18.800 let's

00:49:19.040 say

00:49:19.200 1950

00:49:20.220 we

00:49:21.640 have

00:49:21.960 or

00:49:22.160 South

00:49:22.460 Africa

00:49:22.760 had

00:49:23.020 the

00:49:23.200 Milner

00:49:23.480 group

00:49:23.960 kitcheners

00:49:25.100 Cecil

00:49:26.220 Rhodes

00:49:26.740 there

00:49:27.260 was

00:49:27.420 a lot

00:49:27.840 of

00:49:28.180 international

00:49:28.940 players

00:49:29.620 even

00:49:30.000 though

00:49:30.220 they

00:49:30.400 were

00:49:30.720 nationals

00:49:33.280 at that

00:49:33.640 time

00:49:34.040 what I'm

00:49:34.680 getting at

00:49:35.200 doctor

00:49:35.560 is for

00:49:36.300 the

00:49:36.560 American

00:49:36.960 audience

00:49:37.520 if you

00:49:38.420 can try

00:49:39.100 to

00:49:39.760 elucidate

00:49:41.440 more

00:49:41.840 on the

00:49:42.420 primary

00:49:43.380 movers

00:49:44.680 in

00:49:46.060 South

00:49:46.480 Africa

00:49:46.880 in

00:49:47.200 relationship

00:49:47.860 to

00:49:48.360 first

00:49:48.880 the

00:49:49.080 British

00:49:49.380 government

00:49:49.820 and

00:49:50.920 then

00:49:51.420 secondarily

00:49:52.300 the

00:49:52.580 American

00:49:52.940 government

00:49:53.420 as a

00:49:54.480 coalition

00:49:55.220 forming

00:49:56.380 against

00:49:57.300 the

00:49:57.780 native

00:49:58.120 South

00:49:58.560 Africans

00:49:59.060 and

00:49:59.980 the

00:50:00.240 big

00:50:00.460 question

00:50:00.920 is

00:50:01.300 why

00:50:01.900 okay

00:50:02.880 besides

00:50:03.620 natural

00:50:04.200 resources

00:50:04.840 and that

00:50:05.500 kind

00:50:05.720 of thing

00:50:06.060 why

00:50:07.200 would

00:50:07.680 the

00:50:07.960 colony

00:50:08.580 in

00:50:09.880 America

00:50:10.240 we call

00:50:10.880 South

00:50:11.260 Africa

00:50:11.540 the

00:50:11.740 white

00:50:12.000 tip

00:50:12.360 and

00:50:13.400 there's

00:50:13.920 a

00:50:14.060 reason

00:50:14.340 for

00:50:14.600 that

00:50:14.860 but

00:50:15.120 why

00:50:15.560 would

00:50:15.780 they

00:50:15.940 destroy

00:50:16.420 the

00:50:16.640 white

00:50:16.920 tip

00:50:17.440 relative

00:50:18.640 to

00:50:19.140 the

00:50:19.500 economic

00:50:20.200 viability

00:50:21.420 of the

00:50:21.940 African

00:50:22.400 continent

00:50:22.940 considering

00:50:23.520 the

00:50:24.220 South

00:50:24.440 African

00:50:24.740 people

00:50:25.300 without

00:50:26.040 exception

00:50:26.640 were

00:50:27.500 both

00:50:27.900 the

00:50:28.200 greatest

00:50:28.500 manufacturers

00:50:29.380 inventors

00:50:30.580 military

00:50:32.280 men

00:50:32.800 I mean

00:50:33.860 you know

00:50:34.220 it's

00:50:34.560 it's

00:50:34.840 western

00:50:35.140 civilization

00:50:35.860 right

00:50:36.380 so

00:50:37.280 this

00:50:37.700 particular

00:50:38.360 coalition

00:50:39.980 I

00:50:40.860 want

00:50:41.220 names

00:50:41.940 of

00:50:42.260 these

00:50:42.560 people

00:50:43.040 and

00:50:43.800 if

00:50:43.960 you

00:50:44.060 can't

00:50:44.340 provide

00:50:44.760 the

00:50:45.000 names

00:50:45.440 then

00:50:45.820 try

00:50:46.260 to

00:50:46.800 elucidate

00:50:47.980 to the

00:50:48.240 American

00:50:48.560 audience

00:50:49.180 the

00:50:49.780 same

00:50:50.320 process

00:50:51.300 by which

00:50:51.860 South

00:50:52.200 Africa

00:50:52.760 was being

00:50:53.620 eliminated

00:50:54.300 is what

00:50:55.540 they're

00:50:55.740 using

00:50:56.240 against

00:50:57.140 the

00:50:57.360 United

00:50:57.600 States

00:50:58.220 as well

00:50:59.220 as

00:50:59.500 the

00:50:59.740 greater

00:51:00.120 west

00:51:00.700 and

00:51:01.480 if

00:51:01.760 you

00:51:01.920 can

00:51:02.100 focus

00:51:02.620 more

00:51:03.100 on

00:51:03.560 the

00:51:04.400 why

00:51:04.920 and

00:51:05.080 the

00:51:05.220 who

00:51:05.460 because

00:51:05.800 that's

00:51:06.220 important

00:51:06.700 people

00:51:07.160 need

00:51:07.540 to be

00:51:07.840 able

00:51:08.000 to

00:51:08.360 kind

00:51:09.160 of

00:51:09.240 like

00:51:09.440 point

00:51:09.720 a

00:51:09.900 finger

00:51:10.180 at

00:51:10.500 a

00:51:10.740 group

00:51:11.220 or

00:51:11.560 individuals

00:51:12.640 who

00:51:13.900 still

00:51:14.420 after

00:51:14.840 70

00:51:15.420 or 80

00:51:15.760 years

00:51:16.200 are

00:51:16.480 still

00:51:17.160 at

00:51:17.560 work

00:51:18.000 trying

00:51:18.360 to

00:51:18.580 destroy

00:51:19.120 my

00:51:19.920 country

00:51:20.380 as

00:51:21.160 well

00:51:21.420 as

00:51:21.820 the

00:51:22.140 rest

00:51:22.540 of

00:51:22.660 the

00:51:22.800 west

00:51:23.120 so

00:51:23.720 thank

00:51:24.080 you

00:51:24.200 very

00:51:24.380 much

00:51:24.740 yes

00:51:29.200 yes

00:51:29.240 Frank

00:51:29.720 like

00:51:32.020 like

00:51:32.040 I've

00:51:32.320 already

00:51:32.640 said

00:51:33.060 it

00:51:33.380 was

00:51:33.640 important

00:51:34.260 for

00:51:34.780 the

00:51:34.980 liberal

00:51:35.260 powers

00:51:35.800 in

00:51:35.960 the

00:51:36.100 world

00:51:36.320 to

00:51:36.540 destroy

00:51:37.100 a

00:51:37.520 political

00:51:37.900 system

00:51:38.440 based

00:51:38.800 on

00:51:39.020 race

00:51:39.400 and

00:51:40.460 as

00:51:40.780 you

00:51:40.980 have

00:51:41.300 already

00:51:42.040 mentioned

00:51:42.840 South

00:51:43.780 Africa

00:51:44.220 have

00:51:44.520 a lot

00:51:44.820 of

00:51:45.040 minerals

00:51:45.500 and

00:51:46.940 it's

00:51:47.240 very

00:51:47.500 difficult

00:51:48.080 for the

00:51:48.680 international

00:51:49.420 money

00:51:49.980 powers

00:51:50.700 to get

00:51:51.880 hold of

00:51:52.360 that

00:51:52.640 minerals

00:51:53.340 while

00:51:54.560 if there

00:51:55.000 is a

00:51:55.340 black

00:51:55.740 government

00:51:56.260 in

00:51:56.600 power

00:51:57.140 they

00:51:58.120 can

00:51:58.400 easily

00:51:59.000 get

00:51:59.620 their hands

00:52:00.260 on those

00:52:00.900 minerals

00:52:01.420 and

00:52:03.160 then

00:52:03.500 of course

00:52:04.400 there's

00:52:04.740 also

00:52:05.080 the

00:52:05.380 strategic

00:52:06.360 route

00:52:08.260 around

00:52:08.620 the

00:52:08.860 cape

00:52:09.120 and

00:52:10.760 the

00:52:12.660 other

00:52:13.000 thing

00:52:13.360 is

00:52:13.840 that

00:52:14.300 these

00:52:16.300 political

00:52:17.240 leaders

00:52:17.900 were

00:52:18.300 influenced

00:52:19.260 by

00:52:20.580 the

00:52:20.880 capitalist

00:52:21.460 system

00:52:22.520 capitalism

00:52:23.600 in itself

00:52:24.840 is also

00:52:26.340 an

00:52:27.520 enemy

00:52:28.020 of

00:52:28.880 the

00:52:30.720 white

00:52:31.060 man

00:52:31.360 in

00:52:31.600 South

00:52:31.840 Africa

00:52:32.380 remember

00:52:34.160 capitalism

00:52:35.060 wants

00:52:35.860 to make

00:52:36.340 money

00:52:36.780 for the

00:52:37.480 sake

00:52:37.760 of

00:52:38.020 making

00:52:38.440 money

00:52:38.880 and

00:52:40.380 if

00:52:40.580 anybody

00:52:41.160 stands

00:52:41.680 in

00:52:41.900 their

00:52:42.080 way

00:52:42.520 whether

00:52:43.180 it's

00:52:43.480 a

00:52:43.640 white

00:52:43.880 government

00:52:44.420 or

00:52:44.780 a

00:52:44.940 black

00:52:45.180 government

00:52:45.900 they

00:52:46.740 will

00:52:46.980 destroy

00:52:47.500 that

00:52:47.800 government

00:52:48.320 so

00:52:50.820 the

00:52:52.320 people

00:52:53.300 working

00:52:54.140 with

00:52:54.520 the

00:52:54.960 political

00:52:56.060 leaders

00:52:56.600 of the

00:52:57.040 United

00:52:57.400 States

00:52:57.900 and

00:52:58.140 Britain

00:52:58.620 were

00:52:59.700 mostly

00:53:00.300 industrialists

00:53:03.060 and

00:53:04.600 other

00:53:04.980 economic

00:53:05.680 role

00:53:06.040 players

00:53:06.600 and

00:53:07.840 in

00:53:08.500 South

00:53:08.760 Africa

00:53:09.200 itself

00:53:09.880 there

00:53:10.180 were

00:53:10.380 also

00:53:10.780 a lot

00:53:11.140 of

00:53:11.320 economic

00:53:11.800 role

00:53:12.180 players

00:53:15.060 the most

00:53:16.460 important

00:53:17.020 being

00:53:17.500 at that

00:53:19.540 stage

00:53:20.020 Harry

00:53:20.480 Oppenheimer

00:53:21.120 nowadays

00:53:22.260 it's

00:53:22.780 the

00:53:22.980 Rupert

00:53:23.380 family

00:53:23.840 so

00:53:25.180 one can

00:53:26.800 say

00:53:27.280 that

00:53:27.880 every

00:53:30.420 person

00:53:31.280 and

00:53:31.940 power

00:53:32.640 that

00:53:34.320 is

00:53:37.420 against

00:53:38.100 a

00:53:38.640 white

00:53:39.520 racial

00:53:40.080 system

00:53:40.700 or a

00:53:42.100 stable

00:53:42.560 political

00:53:43.180 system

00:53:43.920 wanted

00:53:45.300 to

00:53:45.920 intervene

00:53:47.660 here

00:53:48.140 to make

00:53:49.240 it easier

00:53:49.900 for them

00:53:50.500 to make

00:53:51.580 money

00:53:52.040 out of

00:53:53.020 South

00:53:53.280 Africa

00:53:53.840 I

00:53:55.800 mean

00:53:56.100 that

00:53:56.400 is

00:53:56.640 what

00:53:57.000 all

00:53:57.560 wars

00:53:57.900 are

00:53:58.100 also

00:53:58.540 basically

00:53:59.160 about

00:53:59.740 if

00:54:01.140 you

00:54:01.480 if

00:54:01.880 you

00:54:02.000 are

00:54:02.160 in

00:54:02.340 financial

00:54:02.960 trouble

00:54:03.460 you

00:54:03.940 start

00:54:04.340 a war

00:54:04.900 you

00:54:06.000 get

00:54:06.260 out

00:54:06.480 of

00:54:06.640 that

00:54:06.820 troubles

00:54:07.320 if

00:54:08.660 you

00:54:08.840 want

00:54:09.180 to

00:54:09.560 improve

00:54:11.160 your

00:54:11.400 power

00:54:11.880 you

00:54:12.240 start

00:54:12.620 a war

00:54:13.140 if

00:54:14.040 you

00:54:14.180 want

00:54:14.460 to

00:54:14.620 get

00:54:14.920 more

00:54:15.320 economic

00:54:16.000 power

00:54:16.500 you

00:54:17.220 do

00:54:17.440 it

00:54:17.600 by

00:54:17.800 means

00:54:18.120 of

00:54:18.320 war

00:54:18.800 so

00:54:19.960 in

00:54:21.200 general

00:54:21.580 I

00:54:21.860 can

00:54:22.040 say

00:54:22.400 it's

00:54:23.320 the

00:54:23.700 political

00:54:24.620 leaders

00:54:25.180 but

00:54:26.160 also

00:54:26.580 the

00:54:26.820 economic

00:54:27.380 the

00:54:27.700 main

00:54:28.000 economic

00:54:28.600 role

00:54:28.940 players

00:54:29.460 in

00:54:29.700 each

00:54:29.940 of

00:54:30.200 those

00:54:31.060 countries

00:54:31.680 and

00:54:33.200 also

00:54:34.420 the

00:54:34.880 economic

00:54:35.820 role

00:54:36.220 players

00:54:36.700 within

00:54:37.140 South

00:54:37.580 Africa

00:54:38.080 okay

00:54:41.580 so

00:54:42.160 it is

00:54:43.120 interesting

00:54:43.680 and I'll

00:54:44.060 just

00:54:44.380 for

00:54:45.120 posterity

00:54:46.400 purposes

00:54:47.320 mention

00:54:47.960 that

00:54:48.300 that

00:54:49.200 the

00:54:50.400 Rupert

00:54:50.920 and

00:54:51.220 some

00:54:51.500 of

00:54:51.660 the

00:54:51.820 biggest

00:54:52.260 players

00:54:53.360 in

00:54:53.840 the

00:54:54.100 undoing

00:54:54.860 of

00:54:55.240 South

00:54:55.560 Africa

00:54:56.140 as

00:54:57.160 a

00:54:57.340 white

00:54:57.780 racial

00:54:58.640 nation

00:54:59.880 state

00:55:00.580 were

00:55:01.980 ethnic

00:55:02.680 Jews

00:55:03.280 I

00:55:04.260 think

00:55:04.600 that

00:55:04.840 it's

00:55:05.080 just

00:55:05.400 important

00:55:05.940 to

00:55:06.240 mention

00:55:06.600 that

00:55:06.980 because

00:55:07.920 you

00:55:08.540 know

00:55:08.860 I

00:55:09.580 think

00:55:10.060 that

00:55:10.500 a lot

00:55:11.540 of

00:55:11.640 times

00:55:11.920 the

00:55:12.100 Jews

00:55:12.300 do

00:55:12.440 not

00:55:12.580 get

00:55:12.780 enough

00:55:13.060 credit

00:55:13.420 for

00:55:14.080 their

00:55:14.360 hard

00:55:14.760 work

00:55:15.200 that

00:55:15.460 they

00:55:15.660 put

00:55:15.980 in

00:55:16.460 to

00:55:16.760 ensure

00:55:17.860 you

00:55:18.640 know

00:55:19.000 that

00:55:19.400 the

00:55:20.520 world

00:55:20.820 remains

00:55:21.420 or

00:55:21.900 moves

00:55:22.440 to

00:55:22.680 a

00:55:22.960 more

00:55:23.180 multiracial

00:55:24.100 system

00:55:25.200 but I

00:55:26.100 say that

00:55:26.620 in jest

00:55:26.960 anyway

00:55:27.560 Dr. Mike

00:55:29.560 in the

00:55:31.760 current

00:55:32.740 South

00:55:33.160 African

00:55:33.600 landscape

00:55:34.240 I see

00:55:35.640 a big

00:55:36.200 push

00:55:36.820 towards

00:55:37.880 the

00:55:38.200 privatization

00:55:39.360 which is

00:55:40.060 actually

00:55:40.360 something

00:55:40.740 that

00:55:41.000 happened

00:55:41.400 happened

00:55:42.020 in

00:55:42.480 the

00:55:43.500 1980s

00:55:44.680 when

00:55:45.500 Pierre

00:55:46.280 Vierboeta

00:55:46.900 held a

00:55:47.460 conference

00:55:48.100 in which

00:55:48.720 coincidentally

00:55:50.800 Harry

00:55:52.180 Oppenheimer

00:55:52.760 was one

00:55:53.280 of the

00:55:53.500 main

00:55:53.760 speakers

00:55:54.400 and one

00:55:54.760 of the

00:55:54.960 main

00:55:55.140 driving

00:55:55.600 forces

00:55:56.060 behind

00:55:56.640 this

00:55:57.240 meeting

00:55:57.740 in which

00:55:59.220 he

00:55:59.700 already

00:56:00.400 in

00:56:00.720 1980s

00:56:01.900 spoke

00:56:03.460 about

00:56:03.960 the

00:56:04.380 privatization

00:56:05.540 of

00:56:06.220 state

00:56:06.700 sectors

00:56:07.540 and

00:56:09.600 the

00:56:09.920 opening

00:56:10.380 up

00:56:10.780 of

00:56:11.020 the

00:56:11.160 economy

00:56:11.660 in

00:56:12.220 other

00:56:12.480 words

00:56:12.920 a

00:56:13.280 capitalist

00:56:13.920 free

00:56:14.520 market

00:56:14.980 economy

00:56:15.460 right

00:56:16.220 now

00:56:16.500 we

00:56:16.700 are

00:56:16.900 seeing

00:56:17.340 major

00:56:17.880 political

00:56:18.380 role

00:56:18.760 players

00:56:19.120 like

00:56:19.460 Rob

00:56:19.740 Ashok

00:56:20.180 introducing

00:56:21.300 the

00:56:22.000 idea

00:56:22.500 of a

00:56:23.140 radical

00:56:23.760 capitalist

00:56:25.000 free

00:56:25.540 market

00:56:26.180 economy

00:56:27.260 I

00:56:28.340 see

00:56:28.660 that

00:56:28.920 as a

00:56:29.220 very

00:56:29.420 dark

00:56:29.820 foreboding

00:56:30.580 for

00:56:30.940 white

00:56:31.240 South

00:56:31.500 Africa

00:56:32.020 could

00:56:32.940 you

00:56:33.120 explain

00:56:33.720 to

00:56:33.980 us

00:56:34.340 why

00:56:35.020 a

00:56:35.460 free

00:56:35.740 market

00:56:36.220 economy

00:56:36.860 is

00:56:37.560 hostile

00:56:38.240 to

00:56:38.800 white

00:56:39.100 people

00:56:39.560 and

00:56:40.040 why

00:56:40.360 we

00:56:40.680 must

00:56:41.320 do

00:56:41.660 everything

00:56:42.200 within

00:56:42.480 our

00:56:42.740 power

00:56:43.220 to

00:56:43.700 move

00:56:43.980 away

00:56:44.320 from

00:56:44.560 capitalist

00:56:45.060 systems

00:56:45.840 and

00:56:46.520 more

00:56:47.080 towards

00:56:47.780 racially

00:56:48.940 based

00:56:49.480 economic

00:56:50.200 principles

00:56:51.120 you'll

00:56:52.920 have to

00:56:53.140 unmute

00:56:53.420 there you

00:56:53.780 go

00:56:53.980 yeah

00:56:54.220 Johannes

00:56:56.880 let me

00:56:57.420 start off

00:56:57.920 by saying

00:56:58.640 one of

00:57:01.420 the greatest

00:57:02.160 philosophers

00:57:02.960 that ever

00:57:03.780 lived

00:57:04.280 is

00:57:05.280 Julius

00:57:05.920 Evola

00:57:06.600 he wrote

00:57:08.000 a book

00:57:08.560 after

00:57:11.800 world war

00:57:12.480 two

00:57:12.800 men

00:57:13.620 amongst

00:57:14.220 the

00:57:14.500 runes

00:57:15.060 in which

00:57:16.340 he explained

00:57:17.160 that

00:57:17.480 capitalism

00:57:18.340 is

00:57:19.960 negative

00:57:20.960 in

00:57:22.060 all

00:57:22.520 aspects

00:57:23.140 of

00:57:23.400 society

00:57:24.060 some

00:57:25.200 people

00:57:25.660 want

00:57:26.060 to

00:57:26.420 enrich

00:57:26.920 themselves

00:57:27.540 and

00:57:28.640 in

00:57:28.880 the

00:57:29.080 process

00:57:29.740 the

00:57:30.820 rest

00:57:31.100 of

00:57:31.300 the

00:57:31.480 people

00:57:31.780 must

00:57:32.100 work

00:57:32.440 for

00:57:32.660 them

00:57:32.940 since

00:57:36.240 he wrote

00:57:37.400 that

00:57:37.720 book

00:57:38.420 people

00:57:39.340 became

00:57:39.900 aware

00:57:40.420 that you

00:57:40.960 have

00:57:41.860 two

00:57:42.220 types

00:57:42.880 of

00:57:43.520 governments

00:57:44.080 in the

00:57:44.600 world

00:57:44.960 the

00:57:45.920 one

00:57:46.280 is

00:57:46.700 where

00:57:47.120 the

00:57:47.640 economy

00:57:48.200 rules

00:57:49.220 politics

00:57:50.080 and

00:57:51.100 the

00:57:51.280 other

00:57:51.540 one

00:57:51.860 is

00:57:52.160 where

00:57:52.420 politics

00:57:53.200 rules

00:57:54.160 the

00:57:54.420 economy

00:57:54.940 now

00:57:56.380 the

00:57:56.780 first

00:57:57.120 problem

00:57:57.600 of

00:57:57.840 capitalism

00:57:58.440 is

00:57:59.220 it's

00:58:00.080 a

00:58:00.300 system

00:58:01.040 where

00:58:01.780 the

00:58:01.980 economy

00:58:02.520 rules

00:58:03.300 politics

00:58:04.020 in

00:58:04.820 other

00:58:05.140 words

00:58:05.520 if

00:58:06.040 if

00:58:06.680 they

00:58:06.920 decide

00:58:07.660 let's

00:58:10.040 say

00:58:10.340 for

00:58:11.040 instance

00:58:11.680 that

00:58:12.940 it is

00:58:13.500 economic

00:58:14.400 more

00:58:15.120 it

00:58:16.360 makes

00:58:16.860 economic

00:58:17.380 more

00:58:17.800 sense

00:58:18.260 to

00:58:18.680 pump

00:58:19.040 all

00:58:19.480 all

00:58:19.880 your

00:58:20.140 sewage

00:58:20.740 in

00:58:21.380 a

00:58:21.540 river

00:58:21.880 then

00:58:22.840 you

00:58:23.000 are

00:58:23.180 allowed

00:58:23.540 to

00:58:23.780 do

00:58:24.020 it

00:58:24.280 in

00:58:25.260 a

00:58:25.440 system

00:58:25.820 where

00:58:26.200 politics

00:58:27.000 is

00:58:27.300 dominant

00:58:27.780 they

00:58:28.400 will

00:58:28.580 say

00:58:28.840 no

00:58:29.160 we

00:58:29.820 must

00:58:30.440 not

00:58:30.800 do

00:58:31.060 it

00:58:31.340 because

00:58:32.580 our

00:58:33.300 environment

00:58:34.060 is

00:58:34.500 important

00:58:35.080 to

00:58:35.440 us

00:58:35.800 so

00:58:37.020 that's

00:58:37.380 the

00:58:37.540 first

00:58:37.880 thing

00:58:38.140 one

00:58:38.400 should

00:58:38.640 understand

00:58:39.340 and

00:58:39.600 that

00:58:39.840 is

00:58:40.160 a

00:58:41.500 system

00:58:42.120 where

00:58:43.380 the

00:58:44.160 economy

00:58:44.640 rules

00:58:45.180 politics

00:58:46.160 is a

00:58:47.020 danger

00:58:47.380 in

00:58:47.680 itself

00:58:48.180 and

00:58:50.280 then

00:58:50.760 one

00:58:55.100 one

00:58:55.120 can

00:58:55.360 mention

00:58:55.760 a

00:58:56.020 lot

00:58:56.180 of

00:58:56.360 other

00:58:56.660 problems

00:58:57.420 with

00:58:58.380 capitalism

00:58:59.360 let

00:59:04.400 me

00:59:04.580 just

00:59:05.140 the

00:59:05.500 one

00:59:16.780 of

00:59:17.040 the

00:59:17.280 problems

00:59:18.720 of

00:59:19.960 capitalism

00:59:20.700 a further

00:59:22.000 problem

00:59:22.500 of capitalism

00:59:23.420 is

00:59:23.960 that it

00:59:25.440 rejects

00:59:26.220 any

00:59:26.580 any view

00:59:27.600 of society

00:59:28.560 as

00:59:29.960 a

00:59:30.360 organism

00:59:31.040 the

00:59:32.640 Afrikaner

00:59:33.340 fall

00:59:33.540 can be

00:59:34.040 seen

00:59:34.300 as an

00:59:34.720 organism

00:59:35.360 of a

00:59:35.920 group

00:59:36.120 of

00:59:36.380 people

00:59:36.820 that

00:59:38.140 is

00:59:38.460 one

00:59:38.760 of

00:59:38.960 mind

00:59:39.500 one

00:59:39.980 of

00:59:40.300 will

00:59:40.800 and

00:59:42.480 capitalism

00:59:44.400 can't

00:59:46.920 flourish

00:59:47.380 in such

00:59:48.120 a

00:59:48.400 environment

00:59:49.260 capitalism

00:59:50.760 is based

00:59:51.500 on the

00:59:51.940 idea

00:59:52.500 that

00:59:52.780 every

00:59:53.240 human

00:59:53.700 being

00:59:54.200 is

00:59:54.840 an

00:59:55.040 atomistic

00:59:55.960 human

00:59:56.360 being

00:59:56.780 he's

00:59:57.340 on his

00:59:57.720 own

00:59:58.040 and

00:59:58.380 the

00:59:58.600 only

00:59:58.940 sense

00:59:59.580 that

01:00:00.900 exists

01:00:02.080 for

01:00:02.460 him

01:00:02.720 is

01:00:02.940 to

01:00:03.100 try

01:00:03.340 and

01:00:03.500 make

01:00:03.780 money

01:00:04.180 so

01:00:05.360 capitalism

01:00:06.160 destroys

01:00:07.160 the

01:00:07.420 bands

01:00:07.880 the

01:00:09.020 band

01:00:10.380 that

01:00:10.700 keeps

01:00:11.120 a

01:00:11.300 community

01:00:11.820 together

01:00:12.380 so

01:00:14.000 that's

01:00:14.360 another

01:00:14.660 reason

01:00:15.000 why

01:00:15.320 we

01:00:15.680 should

01:00:15.920 be

01:00:17.100 critical

01:00:19.320 of

01:00:19.680 capitalism

01:00:20.380 it

01:00:21.720 further

01:00:22.200 promotes

01:00:23.900 the

01:00:24.160 idea

01:00:24.520 that

01:00:24.780 there

01:00:24.980 is

01:00:25.140 a

01:00:25.360 class

01:00:25.740 struggle

01:00:26.180 going

01:00:26.560 on

01:00:26.900 you

01:00:27.960 have

01:00:28.160 the

01:00:28.380 capitalists

01:00:29.320 they

01:00:30.000 are

01:00:30.300 the

01:00:30.640 creative

01:00:31.340 element

01:00:31.960 and

01:00:32.760 the

01:00:32.940 rest

01:00:33.220 of

01:00:33.420 society

01:00:34.100 is

01:00:34.840 laborers

01:00:35.560 they

01:00:35.760 must

01:00:36.060 work

01:00:36.520 and

01:00:37.620 they

01:00:37.860 have

01:00:38.140 basically

01:00:38.700 no

01:00:39.060 say

01:00:39.400 in

01:00:39.640 what's

01:00:39.960 going

01:00:40.260 on

01:00:40.660 so

01:00:41.880 the

01:00:42.740 capitalistic

01:00:43.860 element

01:00:44.480 is

01:00:47.180 turned

01:00:48.460 against

01:00:49.060 the

01:00:49.320 laborers

01:00:50.000 and

01:00:52.920 another

01:00:53.260 problem

01:00:53.740 of

01:00:54.000 capitalism

01:00:54.660 is

01:00:55.180 it is

01:00:55.660 based

01:00:56.020 on

01:00:56.420 the

01:00:57.300 idea

01:00:57.780 of

01:00:58.020 globalism

01:00:58.940 in

01:01:00.380 other

01:01:00.700 words

01:01:01.100 everybody

01:01:01.900 in

01:01:02.360 the

01:01:02.520 world

01:01:02.800 should

01:01:03.140 work

01:01:03.460 together

01:01:04.020 and

01:01:04.840 exchange

01:01:06.720 products

01:01:07.900 and

01:01:08.740 nobody

01:01:10.100 is

01:01:10.360 allowed

01:01:10.760 to

01:01:11.640 introduce

01:01:12.660 tariffs

01:01:13.240 so

01:01:15.940 if

01:01:16.400 anybody

01:01:17.020 at

01:01:17.300 any

01:01:17.640 stage

01:01:18.160 of

01:01:18.460 any

01:01:18.760 country

01:01:19.320 would

01:01:19.620 like

01:01:19.920 to

01:01:20.140 promote

01:01:20.520 his

01:01:20.800 own

01:01:21.120 economy

01:01:21.800 then

01:01:23.360 they

01:01:24.540 shoot

01:01:24.880 that

01:01:25.100 person

01:01:25.520 down

01:01:25.960 nobody

01:01:27.140 is

01:01:27.460 allowed

01:01:27.800 to

01:01:28.080 promote

01:01:28.600 its

01:01:30.040 own

01:01:30.360 country's

01:01:31.020 economy

01:01:31.520 everybody

01:01:32.500 must

01:01:33.040 be

01:01:33.240 working

01:01:33.600 together

01:01:34.260 and

01:01:35.380 exchange

01:01:43.220 products

01:01:43.980 with

01:01:44.240 every

01:01:44.560 other

01:01:45.720 country

01:01:46.340 so

01:01:47.900 capitalism

01:01:48.880 in itself

01:01:49.880 although it

01:01:50.500 sounds

01:01:50.840 very nice

01:01:51.720 the idea

01:01:52.600 of freedom

01:01:53.340 and so on

01:01:54.160 is actually

01:01:55.420 a system

01:01:56.160 that

01:01:57.200 benefited

01:01:57.840 only

01:01:58.420 that benefits

01:01:59.400 only

01:01:59.860 a few

01:02:00.420 people

01:02:00.960 while the

01:02:02.240 majority

01:02:02.800 doesn't

01:02:03.720 get any

01:02:04.360 benefit

01:02:04.860 at all

01:02:05.440 and

01:02:06.580 it's

01:02:07.080 undermining

01:02:08.640 the idea

01:02:09.420 of a

01:02:10.000 nation

01:02:10.480 that

01:02:11.580 controls

01:02:12.300 a state

01:02:13.040 everybody

01:02:14.900 must be

01:02:15.740 equal

01:02:16.220 nobody

01:02:17.600 is allowed

01:02:18.380 to retain

01:02:19.040 its own

01:02:19.580 identity

01:02:20.340 so

01:02:21.920 capitalism

01:02:22.700 is really

01:02:23.840 one of

01:02:24.320 our

01:02:24.720 biggest

01:02:25.240 threats

01:02:25.700 at a

01:02:26.060 moment

01:02:26.440 so

01:02:28.500 what I'm

01:02:28.860 getting

01:02:29.140 from you

01:02:29.860 is that

01:02:30.720 it moves

01:02:32.800 the

01:02:33.340 attributes

01:02:33.900 of the

01:02:35.000 nation

01:02:35.660 if I'm

01:02:36.700 understanding

01:02:37.240 correctly

01:02:37.900 to a

01:02:39.260 rootless

01:02:39.780 pick

01:02:40.200 of people

01:02:41.080 that are

01:02:42.300 foreign

01:02:42.620 to the

01:02:43.040 nation

01:02:43.480 in order

01:02:44.400 to give

01:02:44.880 them

01:02:45.240 to present

01:02:46.400 the idea

01:02:47.300 that they

01:02:47.840 are not

01:02:48.260 a uniform

01:02:48.800 front

01:02:49.380 while they

01:02:50.460 actually act

01:02:51.460 as a

01:02:51.940 uniform

01:02:52.240 front

01:02:52.820 against

01:02:53.280 the

01:02:53.520 interests

01:02:54.060 of a

01:02:54.820 specific

01:02:55.220 group

01:02:55.660 that's

01:02:56.920 quite

01:02:57.160 correct

01:02:57.700 interesting

01:03:00.580 if we

01:03:01.260 have any

01:03:01.760 if you

01:03:02.080 guys have

01:03:02.420 any

01:03:02.660 questions

01:03:03.100 for dr

01:03:03.580 mark

01:03:03.860 please feel

01:03:04.900 free

01:03:05.340 you know

01:03:06.060 to put

01:03:07.400 up your

01:03:07.740 hand and

01:03:08.240 to ask

01:03:08.600 a question

01:03:09.020 right we've

01:03:09.660 got one

01:03:10.020 here from

01:03:10.420 external

01:03:10.880 extrapolations

01:03:11.900 you know

01:03:12.220 well thank

01:03:14.720 you johannes

01:03:15.260 and i just

01:03:15.960 for the sake

01:03:16.740 of brevity

01:03:17.160 earlier didn't

01:03:17.780 say hello to

01:03:18.340 you or

01:03:18.620 everybody else

01:03:19.140 properly so

01:03:19.820 i just want

01:03:20.840 to say it's

01:03:21.340 good to hear

01:03:21.720 you again

01:03:22.200 and to be

01:03:22.560 in a space

01:03:23.000 with you

01:03:23.300 again and

01:03:24.140 hello to

01:03:24.480 posty and

01:03:24.920 base maids

01:03:25.380 and thanks

01:03:25.820 thanks to

01:03:26.600 both of

01:03:26.880 them for

01:03:27.240 setting up

01:03:28.000 this space

01:03:28.480 too

01:03:28.740 i was not

01:03:31.640 familiar

01:03:31.940 with dr

01:03:33.200 de toy

01:03:33.540 before

01:03:34.120 i was

01:03:36.420 made aware

01:03:37.300 that this

01:03:37.740 space

01:03:38.040 was

01:03:38.500 arranged

01:03:40.360 by the

01:03:41.340 based

01:03:41.660 canadian

01:03:42.100 ladies

01:03:42.440 there

01:03:42.680 and so

01:03:44.360 i did

01:03:44.900 my best

01:03:45.400 to

01:03:46.000 research

01:03:47.760 mr

01:03:48.800 or dr

01:03:49.400 de toy

01:03:49.700 i

01:03:50.880 did find

01:03:52.800 eventually

01:03:53.680 after much

01:03:54.200 searching

01:03:54.580 some video

01:03:55.940 you know

01:03:57.640 which i've

01:03:57.980 linked

01:03:58.220 in the

01:03:59.000 bubble

01:03:59.340 space

01:03:59.680 which maybe

01:04:00.120 people can

01:04:00.540 watch

01:04:00.740 later

01:04:01.000 and bear

01:04:01.640 in mind

01:04:01.920 of course

01:04:02.300 it was

01:04:03.140 a presentation

01:04:03.800 on south

01:04:04.820 african

01:04:05.140 television

01:04:05.500 which was

01:04:06.100 created

01:04:06.500 and made

01:04:06.840 by his

01:04:07.200 enemies

01:04:07.440 one of

01:04:08.280 the things

01:04:08.700 and i'm

01:04:09.020 not going

01:04:09.380 to ask

01:04:09.740 anything

01:04:10.060 indelicate

01:04:12.000 or

01:04:12.280 impartnant

01:04:14.200 but one

01:04:15.100 of the

01:04:15.320 things i

01:04:15.680 did wonder

01:04:16.220 because

01:04:18.600 i think

01:04:19.940 it was

01:04:20.280 maybe

01:04:20.860 posty

01:04:21.280 maybe

01:04:21.460 it doesn't

01:04:22.140 really matter

01:04:22.420 but in

01:04:23.620 the thread

01:04:25.120 which

01:04:25.460 announced

01:04:27.280 that this

01:04:27.800 interview

01:04:28.400 was going

01:04:29.120 to be

01:04:29.280 taking

01:04:29.460 place

01:04:29.820 an article

01:04:31.680 was linked

01:04:32.160 detailing

01:04:33.300 aspects

01:04:34.560 of what

01:04:35.560 was mentioned

01:04:36.020 at the

01:04:36.300 beginning

01:04:36.540 here in

01:04:36.940 the introduction

01:04:37.400 was that

01:04:37.960 in the

01:04:39.220 early part

01:04:39.860 of the

01:04:40.560 2000s

01:04:41.740 or maybe

01:04:42.100 it was

01:04:42.320 1999

01:04:43.400 that he

01:04:44.860 was charged

01:04:45.460 with

01:04:45.860 terrorism

01:04:46.800 which was

01:04:47.180 subsequently

01:04:47.720 upgraded

01:04:48.780 to

01:04:49.300 treason

01:04:49.840 and

01:04:51.360 i'm

01:04:52.960 guessing

01:04:53.500 maybe

01:04:53.800 we've

01:04:54.060 avoided

01:04:54.440 delving

01:04:55.040 into that

01:04:55.440 and so

01:04:55.760 i don't

01:04:56.080 want to

01:04:56.340 press the

01:04:56.760 matter

01:04:56.980 we have

01:04:57.960 been

01:04:58.200 talking

01:04:58.720 in terms

01:04:59.380 of

01:04:59.660 fairly

01:05:02.640 ordinary

01:05:03.360 history

01:05:04.080 and

01:05:04.480 political

01:05:04.880 history

01:05:05.340 until

01:05:06.880 and i

01:05:07.200 thought

01:05:07.320 maybe

01:05:07.500 we're

01:05:07.700 avoiding

01:05:08.100 that

01:05:08.900 elephant

01:05:09.740 in the

01:05:10.280 room

01:05:10.460 with the

01:05:11.520 long

01:05:11.940 trunk

01:05:12.280 until

01:05:13.660 johannes

01:05:14.060 gave

01:05:14.280 them

01:05:14.440 their

01:05:14.680 due

01:05:15.080 credit

01:05:15.480 for

01:05:16.760 their

01:05:17.280 gradual

01:05:18.180 piecemeal

01:05:18.700 dismantling

01:05:19.260 of

01:05:19.660 nations

01:05:20.640 almost

01:05:21.920 really

01:05:22.460 before

01:05:22.860 they're

01:05:23.120 fully

01:05:23.480 born

01:05:23.800 it's

01:05:24.980 like

01:05:25.220 you could

01:05:25.500 say

01:05:25.740 an

01:05:25.940 analogy

01:05:26.240 to

01:05:28.220 abortion

01:05:29.060 or

01:05:30.000 maybe

01:05:31.240 smothering

01:05:32.120 an infant

01:05:32.440 while it's

01:05:32.800 in its

01:05:33.040 cot

01:05:33.340 they don't

01:05:34.460 want

01:05:34.680 competition

01:05:35.160 so let's

01:05:35.880 say with

01:05:36.480 capitalism

01:05:36.940 we think

01:05:38.160 that it's

01:05:38.420 synonymous

01:05:39.840 with free

01:05:40.320 and fair

01:05:40.720 and open

01:05:41.100 market

01:05:41.440 where everybody

01:05:41.880 is free

01:05:42.840 to come

01:05:43.320 to the

01:05:43.620 market

01:05:43.880 with their

01:05:44.440 either

01:05:45.000 ideas

01:05:45.500 or goods

01:05:46.040 or whatever

01:05:46.640 and may

01:05:47.340 the best

01:05:47.620 man win

01:05:47.960 but we

01:05:48.480 understand

01:05:48.800 now that

01:05:49.420 it's not

01:05:49.720 about

01:05:49.920 meritocracy

01:05:50.480 i did

01:05:51.180 i was

01:05:51.780 once

01:05:52.020 an IU

01:05:52.320 child

01:05:52.620 i thought

01:05:52.920 we were

01:05:53.160 in a

01:05:53.520 meritocracy

01:05:54.060 but clearly

01:05:55.100 we aren't

01:05:55.700 they allow

01:05:57.100 us to

01:05:57.740 sort of

01:05:58.580 dwell in

01:05:59.200 our

01:06:00.300 naivete

01:06:01.560 until such

01:06:02.480 time as

01:06:02.860 maybe we

01:06:03.200 become a

01:06:03.560 problem

01:06:03.800 and then

01:06:04.120 we're

01:06:04.380 snuffed

01:06:05.480 out if

01:06:05.960 they can

01:06:06.420 they don't

01:06:06.880 they like

01:06:07.560 to say

01:06:08.240 that we

01:06:08.600 should all

01:06:08.920 play fair

01:06:09.340 but of

01:06:09.640 course

01:06:09.860 anytime

01:06:11.080 we start

01:06:11.880 noticing

01:06:12.280 that the

01:06:12.620 rules

01:06:12.820 change

01:06:13.340 anytime

01:06:13.640 we might

01:06:13.960 even

01:06:14.140 start

01:06:14.460 not

01:06:15.960 not

01:06:16.200 continuously

01:06:16.860 losing

01:06:17.380 at the

01:06:17.860 game

01:06:18.060 that they

01:06:18.340 set up

01:06:18.780 then they

01:06:19.540 just

01:06:19.720 change

01:06:20.020 the

01:06:20.180 rules

01:06:20.400 so

01:06:21.120 i did

01:06:22.120 wonder

01:06:22.340 whether

01:06:22.540 we

01:06:22.940 are

01:06:23.080 going

01:06:23.340 to

01:06:23.500 talk

01:06:23.780 about

01:06:24.400 dr

01:06:25.440 detoy's

01:06:26.020 personal

01:06:26.940 history

01:06:27.400 and examine

01:06:28.720 any of

01:06:29.040 that

01:06:29.220 and if

01:06:29.680 not

01:06:30.000 then that's

01:06:31.240 fine

01:06:31.580 but i

01:06:32.580 would

01:06:32.860 very much

01:06:34.020 like to

01:06:34.340 get to

01:06:34.640 know

01:06:34.880 the man

01:06:35.480 a bit

01:06:35.700 better

01:06:36.000 from his

01:06:36.460 own words

01:06:37.040 unless it's

01:06:37.700 too painful

01:06:38.200 or he just

01:06:38.640 wants to

01:06:38.940 avoid it

01:06:39.320 so that's

01:06:40.000 the question

01:06:40.460 i'd like to

01:06:40.860 ask first

01:06:41.300 of all

01:06:41.620 can we

01:06:42.520 talk about

01:06:43.120 personal

01:06:43.860 matters

01:06:44.220 and the

01:06:44.700 personal

01:06:44.900 history

01:06:45.180 of dr

01:06:45.600 detoy

01:06:45.940 my

01:06:53.180 friend

01:06:53.600 i was

01:06:55.040 18

01:06:55.520 years

01:06:56.000 three

01:06:56.260 months

01:06:56.600 in prison

01:06:57.240 and i

01:06:59.260 am

01:06:59.960 supposed

01:07:00.520 to

01:07:00.960 i was

01:07:02.180 actually

01:07:02.600 supposed

01:07:03.020 to stay

01:07:03.740 about

01:07:04.260 another

01:07:05.400 20

01:07:05.880 years

01:07:06.300 in prison

01:07:06.920 i got

01:07:08.700 released

01:07:09.340 or rather

01:07:10.580 let me

01:07:11.040 let me

01:07:11.680 break up

01:07:12.200 that 18

01:07:12.780 years

01:07:13.220 i was

01:07:14.420 11

01:07:14.900 years

01:07:15.580 busy

01:07:17.080 with a

01:07:17.540 court

01:07:17.840 case

01:07:18.260 and

01:07:19.620 then

01:07:20.380 less

01:07:23.960 than 11

01:07:24.600 years

01:07:24.980 and i

01:07:25.420 was

01:07:25.680 8

01:07:26.100 years

01:07:26.640 doing

01:07:29.200 sentence

01:07:30.040 but i

01:07:31.260 was

01:07:31.480 actually

01:07:31.880 supposed

01:07:32.440 to do

01:07:32.880 another

01:07:33.240 20

01:07:33.740 years

01:07:34.260 so i

01:07:35.340 got

01:07:35.640 released

01:07:36.360 about

01:07:37.480 3 or

01:07:37.940 4 years

01:07:38.560 ago

01:07:38.940 on

01:07:40.040 one

01:07:40.320 of my

01:07:41.060 conditions

01:07:41.680 is that

01:07:42.560 i'm

01:07:42.900 actually

01:07:43.300 not

01:07:43.620 allowed

01:07:44.040 to

01:07:44.300 talk

01:07:44.740 about

01:07:45.840 the

01:07:46.220 court

01:07:46.540 case

01:07:47.040 or

01:07:48.060 what i

01:07:48.560 wanted

01:07:48.940 to do

01:07:49.400 in

01:07:49.620 south

01:07:49.920 africa

01:07:50.520 or how

01:07:51.860 the police

01:07:52.480 treated

01:07:52.900 me

01:07:53.260 or how

01:07:53.860 the

01:07:54.080 prison

01:07:54.900 authorities

01:07:55.620 treated

01:07:56.040 me

01:07:56.480 so i'm

01:07:58.560 actually

01:07:59.100 not

01:08:00.440 allowed

01:08:01.260 to

01:08:01.540 discuss

01:08:02.160 that

01:08:02.440 with

01:08:02.680 you

01:08:02.920 if i

01:08:03.340 discuss

01:08:03.800 that

01:08:04.180 then i'm

01:08:05.460 breaching

01:08:05.880 my

01:08:06.280 parole

01:08:06.740 conditions

01:08:09.060 and

01:08:09.760 if you

01:08:11.760 know the

01:08:12.440 situation

01:08:13.020 here

01:08:13.460 the chances

01:08:14.680 that they

01:08:15.200 will come

01:08:15.740 and arrest

01:08:17.440 me again

01:08:18.040 is quite

01:08:18.720 good so

01:08:19.960 i would

01:08:20.340 rather

01:08:20.780 not say

01:08:22.040 anything

01:08:22.560 and by

01:08:24.380 doing that

01:08:25.120 they can't

01:08:26.120 do anything

01:08:27.300 to me

01:08:27.960 yes i

01:08:31.180 understand and

01:08:31.720 i suspect it

01:08:32.360 as such

01:08:32.820 and that's

01:08:33.620 why i

01:08:33.820 wanted to

01:08:34.120 ask if it

01:08:34.680 was something

01:08:35.060 that could

01:08:35.600 be on the

01:08:35.940 table for

01:08:36.240 discussion

01:08:36.620 and now i

01:08:37.120 understand and

01:08:38.180 i think

01:08:38.780 that that's

01:08:39.260 pretty clear

01:08:39.960 so thank

01:08:41.240 you very

01:08:41.500 much for

01:08:41.860 that answer

01:08:42.360 dr

01:08:43.200 detoy

01:08:43.520 yeah and

01:08:47.760 just again

01:08:48.540 thank you very

01:08:49.620 much for

01:08:50.100 joining us

01:08:50.820 dr

01:08:51.260 mike detoy

01:08:51.800 it is like

01:08:52.480 i said a

01:08:52.880 great honor

01:08:53.380 speaking with

01:08:54.560 you and

01:08:55.220 i'm sure

01:08:55.780 that the

01:08:56.320 american

01:08:56.680 audience

01:08:57.400 also and

01:08:58.560 and wherever

01:08:59.060 you might

01:08:59.520 find yourself

01:09:00.180 in which

01:09:00.900 whatever white

01:09:01.980 country also

01:09:03.080 appreciates it

01:09:04.300 um in the

01:09:06.080 same way

01:09:07.100 uh postie

01:09:08.140 um you are

01:09:09.500 welcome to

01:09:09.980 ask your

01:09:10.320 question

01:09:10.700 hello dr

01:09:12.540 detoy um

01:09:13.560 and please

01:09:14.200 i'm trying to

01:09:14.680 pronounce it

01:09:15.040 correct so

01:09:15.400 you'll have

01:09:15.700 to forgive

01:09:16.020 me i don't

01:09:16.460 do it on

01:09:16.800 purpose but

01:09:17.320 i really like

01:09:18.600 what you were

01:09:18.900 just saying

01:09:19.340 about the

01:09:19.720 whole capitalism

01:09:20.480 and this

01:09:20.880 is kind

01:09:21.220 of in

01:09:21.700 my i

01:09:22.640 don't want

01:09:22.840 to say

01:09:22.920 it's in

01:09:23.060 my wheel

01:09:23.360 house but

01:09:23.720 i'm really

01:09:24.020 interested

01:09:24.420 in it and

01:09:24.960 i'm curious

01:09:26.120 as to have

01:09:27.140 you ever

01:09:27.640 given any

01:09:28.420 thought to

01:09:28.940 what kind

01:09:29.420 of system

01:09:30.040 would work

01:09:31.200 like a

01:09:31.660 political

01:09:31.940 social system

01:09:32.880 would work

01:09:33.300 i personally

01:09:34.120 believe in

01:09:34.600 one thing

01:09:35.020 like i

01:09:35.480 believe that

01:09:35.980 the national

01:09:36.540 socialist system

01:09:37.960 maybe with a

01:09:38.620 little bit of

01:09:39.020 tweaks given

01:09:39.640 the you know

01:09:40.420 obviously the

01:09:40.980 times are

01:09:41.600 different but

01:09:43.140 have you ever

01:09:43.600 given any

01:09:44.000 thought to

01:09:44.360 what you

01:09:44.700 think would

01:09:45.140 work outside

01:09:46.080 of capitalism

01:09:46.920 uh ma'am

01:09:51.520 let me start

01:09:53.360 off by saying

01:09:54.240 that to

01:09:56.280 some extent

01:09:56.980 i was glad

01:09:57.860 to be

01:09:58.260 incarcerated

01:09:59.360 because that

01:10:01.160 allowed me

01:10:02.100 to complete

01:10:04.200 my doctorate

01:10:05.140 in philosophy

01:10:05.940 which is

01:10:07.720 on a new

01:10:08.460 political

01:10:09.240 economy

01:10:09.940 now perhaps

01:10:12.000 i'm going

01:10:12.560 to say

01:10:12.960 something now

01:10:13.700 that that

01:10:14.340 you won't

01:10:15.060 feel so

01:10:16.960 quite good

01:10:18.120 about but

01:10:18.920 it's important

01:10:19.720 to say

01:10:20.240 that germany

01:10:21.040 never

01:10:22.140 developed

01:10:22.900 an alternative

01:10:24.120 economy

01:10:25.680 the country

01:10:27.520 in the world

01:10:28.180 that really

01:10:28.800 developed

01:10:29.560 an alternative

01:10:30.980 economy

01:10:31.840 was italy

01:10:33.680 under

01:10:34.080 mussolini

01:10:34.780 they called

01:10:36.820 that system

01:10:37.600 corporatism

01:10:38.720 and that's

01:10:39.540 what my

01:10:40.000 doctorate

01:10:40.560 was all

01:10:41.100 about

01:10:41.560 now what

01:10:43.240 i'm going

01:10:43.780 to say

01:10:44.440 is that

01:10:45.160 corporatism

01:10:47.640 is something

01:10:49.140 between

01:10:50.040 capitalism

01:10:51.240 and

01:10:52.520 socialism

01:10:53.460 but it

01:10:54.660 also have

01:10:55.360 some

01:10:55.780 unique

01:10:56.720 features

01:10:57.460 now

01:10:59.120 corporatism

01:11:01.200 tries to

01:11:02.220 maintain

01:11:03.360 the positives

01:11:06.140 of capitalism

01:11:07.580 first

01:11:09.200 to

01:11:10.360 keep

01:11:12.300 private

01:11:12.900 property

01:11:13.540 and

01:11:14.900 second

01:11:15.320 to

01:11:15.680 keep

01:11:16.040 private

01:11:17.480 management

01:11:18.100 of

01:11:18.520 businesses

01:11:19.140 industries

01:11:20.100 and so

01:11:20.840 on

01:11:21.020 but

01:11:22.120 corporatism

01:11:23.040 wants to

01:11:23.660 reject

01:11:24.220 the negative

01:11:25.080 aspects

01:11:25.860 of capitalism

01:11:26.880 the first

01:11:28.300 being

01:11:28.640 market-based

01:11:30.080 salaries

01:11:31.020 prices

01:11:32.160 jobs

01:11:32.800 and production

01:11:33.740 levels

01:11:34.400 second

01:11:35.780 class

01:11:36.940 division

01:11:37.440 and class

01:11:38.220 struggle

01:11:38.740 third

01:11:39.980 the atomistic

01:11:41.300 view of

01:11:41.940 man

01:11:42.320 of free

01:11:44.860 market

01:11:45.320 system

01:11:45.800 and free

01:11:46.880 market

01:11:47.640 competition

01:11:48.360 and then

01:11:48.920 lastly

01:11:49.460 globalization

01:11:51.360 now

01:11:53.600 corporatism

01:11:55.040 retain

01:11:56.740 the positives

01:11:58.140 of socialism

01:11:59.260 first

01:12:00.960 holistic

01:12:01.800 view of

01:12:02.640 community

01:12:03.340 second

01:12:04.880 to look

01:12:06.020 after the

01:12:06.940 well-being

01:12:08.900 of the community

01:12:10.140 third

01:12:11.780 the state

01:12:12.580 gives

01:12:13.000 economic

01:12:13.940 lead

01:12:17.620 to

01:12:19.520 maintain

01:12:22.180 certain

01:12:22.800 certain

01:12:22.820 collective

01:12:23.540 areas

01:12:30.620 and

01:12:31.960 fourth

01:12:32.420 the

01:12:34.140 government

01:12:34.820 provides

01:12:38.000 certain

01:12:38.780 material

01:12:39.600 goods

01:12:40.100 but

01:12:41.300 corporatism

01:12:42.440 wants to

01:12:43.000 reject the

01:12:43.760 negatives

01:12:44.360 of socialism

01:12:45.560 the first

01:12:46.480 being

01:12:46.800 nationalization

01:12:48.100 the second

01:12:50.100 the whole

01:12:50.500 idea of

01:12:51.260 that there

01:12:51.740 must be

01:12:52.320 a class

01:12:52.900 struggle

01:12:53.580 against

01:12:54.080 capitalists

01:12:55.100 and the

01:12:56.700 third

01:12:57.100 that they

01:12:59.340 are rejecting

01:13:00.000 is that

01:13:00.740 the government

01:13:01.400 must own

01:13:02.200 the means

01:13:03.000 of production

01:13:03.960 now what

01:13:05.620 is the

01:13:06.200 unique features

01:13:07.800 of

01:13:08.080 corporatism

01:13:08.940 the first

01:13:10.820 is that

01:13:11.400 the economy

01:13:12.240 is subject

01:13:13.880 to

01:13:14.580 politics

01:13:15.360 the state

01:13:16.900 directs

01:13:17.620 and control

01:13:18.420 the private

01:13:19.140 business

01:13:19.740 sphere

01:13:20.180 exactly

01:13:22.440 exactly

01:13:22.460 what I've

01:13:23.060 mentioned

01:13:23.920 just now

01:13:24.780 when I

01:13:25.400 refer to

01:13:26.180 Julius

01:13:26.720 Evola

01:13:27.260 a second

01:13:29.460 unique

01:13:29.920 feature

01:13:30.380 is an

01:13:31.220 economic

01:13:31.860 parliament

01:13:32.540 or a

01:13:34.160 lower

01:13:34.400 house

01:13:34.900 and in

01:13:36.140 this case

01:13:36.820 it can

01:13:38.200 be known

01:13:38.760 as the

01:13:39.400 council

01:13:39.840 of

01:13:40.220 guilds

01:13:41.340 the

01:13:43.180 third

01:13:43.700 unique

01:13:44.120 feature

01:13:44.800 is that

01:13:46.740 economic

01:13:47.420 representation

01:13:48.640 occurs

01:13:49.680 along

01:13:50.200 functional

01:13:51.400 lines

01:13:52.000 or

01:13:52.820 professions

01:13:53.540 so

01:13:55.840 once

01:13:56.240 identity

01:13:57.020 is determined

01:13:57.940 by profession

01:13:58.960 not by

01:14:00.480 wealth

01:14:01.000 or class

01:14:02.060 each

01:14:03.960 economic

01:14:04.600 sector

01:14:05.120 is governed

01:14:05.880 by its

01:14:06.480 own

01:14:06.740 guild

01:14:07.220 subject

01:14:08.280 to final

01:14:09.020 approval

01:14:09.700 by say

01:14:10.980 a council

01:14:11.620 of merit

01:14:12.360 so

01:14:13.060 each

01:14:13.620 economic

01:14:14.280 sector

01:14:14.880 governs

01:14:16.200 itself

01:14:16.800 they decide

01:14:18.200 what you

01:14:18.640 do

01:14:18.900 in

01:14:19.120 what should

01:14:19.900 happen

01:14:20.240 in their

01:14:20.780 sector

01:14:21.280 and then

01:14:22.960 another

01:14:24.180 feature

01:14:24.740 of

01:14:25.180 corporatism

01:14:26.560 is that

01:14:27.200 there is

01:14:27.660 mechanisms

01:14:28.540 for dealing

01:14:30.060 with economic

01:14:30.880 conflict

01:14:31.640 social

01:14:33.360 harmony

01:14:33.880 is promoted

01:14:34.720 capital

01:14:36.340 and

01:14:36.800 labor

01:14:37.320 have

01:14:38.000 common

01:14:38.480 rights

01:14:38.900 and

01:14:39.180 obligations

01:14:39.940 so

01:14:40.900 it's

01:14:41.100 not

01:14:41.320 like

01:14:41.620 in

01:14:41.840 capitalism

01:14:42.560 where

01:14:43.000 the

01:14:43.200 capitalists

01:14:44.100 decide

01:14:44.780 and

01:14:46.100 then

01:14:46.440 there's

01:14:47.400 agreements

01:14:48.000 and

01:14:48.440 cooperation

01:14:49.280 between

01:14:50.480 labor

01:14:50.960 unions

01:14:51.620 and

01:14:52.060 employer

01:14:52.620 organizations

01:14:53.560 we

01:14:55.140 have

01:14:55.400 centralized

01:14:56.160 wage

01:14:57.060 negotiations

01:14:58.000 so

01:14:59.060 let's

01:14:59.560 say

01:14:59.820 all

01:15:00.920 farm

01:15:01.320 workers

01:15:01.860 or

01:15:03.080 let's

01:15:03.420 make

01:15:03.700 it

01:15:03.900 all

01:15:04.240 industrial

01:15:04.900 workers

01:15:05.680 talk

01:15:08.140 to the

01:15:08.520 government

01:15:08.960 and

01:15:09.780 the

01:15:10.560 employers

01:15:12.480 at the

01:15:12.900 same

01:15:13.160 time

01:15:13.660 so

01:15:14.080 that

01:15:14.680 one

01:15:16.440 conclusion

01:15:19.380 can be

01:15:20.020 reached

01:15:20.520 then you

01:15:21.280 have

01:15:21.480 labor

01:15:21.900 courts

01:15:22.460 and

01:15:23.700 I

01:15:25.140 must

01:15:25.760 also

01:15:26.120 mention

01:15:26.640 that

01:15:27.140 at

01:15:27.920 the

01:15:28.100 moment

01:15:28.680 Austria

01:15:30.240 have

01:15:31.720 a

01:15:32.140 100%

01:15:33.480 corporatist

01:15:34.440 economy

01:15:35.180 they are

01:15:36.080 the only

01:15:36.440 country in

01:15:37.120 the world

01:15:37.540 that really

01:15:38.320 broke

01:15:38.960 of

01:15:39.280 capitalism

01:15:40.560 and develop

01:15:41.300 their own

01:15:41.820 economy

01:15:42.340 there's a

01:15:43.220 lot of

01:15:43.540 other

01:15:43.860 countries

01:15:44.620 that are

01:15:45.300 also

01:15:45.960 mostly

01:15:48.260 corporatist

01:15:49.460 for instance

01:15:51.160 Sweden

01:15:52.000 Denmark

01:15:53.140 Norway

01:15:53.880 Iceland

01:15:55.420 Switzerland

01:15:57.060 but this

01:16:02.760 all

01:16:03.120 started

01:16:03.900 with

01:16:05.380 Mussolini

01:16:06.180 in

01:16:06.560 Italy

01:16:07.020 so I

01:16:08.600 think

01:16:08.860 that's

01:16:09.280 one of

01:16:09.680 the main

01:16:10.200 reasons

01:16:10.700 why

01:16:11.120 for instance

01:16:12.460 Italy

01:16:12.960 had to be

01:16:13.580 destroyed

01:16:14.080 in World

01:16:14.640 War

01:16:14.980 II

01:16:15.660 sorry

01:16:23.520 thanks for

01:16:23.960 that

01:16:24.100 explanation

01:16:24.520 I

01:16:24.760 actually

01:16:24.980 didn't

01:16:25.220 know

01:16:25.380 that

01:16:25.600 that's

01:16:26.120 very

01:16:26.420 very

01:16:26.660 interesting

01:16:27.140 and I

01:16:28.000 guess

01:16:28.140 I

01:16:28.300 don't

01:16:28.580 know

01:16:28.760 if

01:16:28.940 not

01:16:29.240 to

01:16:29.420 harp

01:16:30.180 on

01:16:30.320 this

01:16:30.440 for

01:16:30.560 too

01:16:30.680 long

01:16:30.800 because

01:16:30.920 I

01:16:30.980 know

01:16:31.160 everybody

01:16:31.600 else

01:16:31.800 has

01:16:31.960 other

01:16:32.240 people

01:16:32.440 have

01:16:32.560 questions

01:16:32.900 but

01:16:33.160 was

01:16:34.060 Italy

01:16:34.340 as

01:16:34.660 strict

01:16:35.260 when

01:16:35.880 with

01:16:36.240 their

01:16:36.420 corporatism

01:16:37.120 on

01:16:38.060 race

01:16:38.580 like

01:16:38.900 as

01:16:39.020 far

01:16:39.180 as

01:16:39.300 not

01:16:39.580 allowing

01:16:40.020 people

01:16:40.300 to

01:16:40.460 come

01:16:40.660 in

01:16:40.820 and

01:16:40.940 work

01:16:41.140 as

01:16:41.300 foreigners

01:16:41.620 no

01:16:43.600 no

01:16:44.340 it

01:16:44.640 was

01:16:44.940 a

01:16:45.160 pure

01:16:45.400 economic

01:16:45.960 system

01:16:46.420 it

01:16:46.880 had

01:16:47.100 nothing

01:16:47.440 to

01:16:47.680 do

01:16:47.880 with

01:16:48.080 race

01:16:48.480 but

01:16:49.740 if

01:16:51.080 you

01:16:51.480 look

01:16:51.780 at

01:16:52.140 Germany

01:16:52.960 under

01:16:53.800 Hitler

01:16:54.380 there

01:16:55.900 was

01:16:56.180 no

01:16:56.440 unique

01:16:56.960 feature

01:16:57.560 the

01:16:59.500 German

01:17:00.080 people

01:17:00.720 I

01:17:01.420 mean

01:17:01.640 the

01:17:01.840 German

01:17:02.160 people

01:17:02.720 were

01:17:03.180 the

01:17:04.800 only

01:17:05.280 group

01:17:07.580 in

01:17:07.840 Germany

01:17:08.400 okay

01:17:10.780 there

01:17:11.080 were Jews

01:17:11.720 they

01:17:12.100 drove

01:17:13.740 most

01:17:14.780 of

01:17:15.000 the

01:17:15.160 time

01:17:15.400 they

01:17:15.600 drove

01:17:15.900 those

01:17:16.220 people

01:17:16.600 out

01:17:16.940 but

01:17:17.720 the

01:17:17.900 German

01:17:18.240 economy

01:17:18.840 was

01:17:19.300 German

01:17:19.860 there

01:17:20.760 it

01:17:21.080 was

01:17:21.460 it

01:17:21.720 was

01:17:22.080 a

01:17:22.380 race

01:17:22.940 based

01:17:23.340 economy

01:17:24.000 there

01:17:24.900 were

01:17:25.160 some

01:17:25.660 some

01:17:27.300 unique

01:17:27.780 features

01:17:28.400 but

01:17:29.380 it

01:17:29.560 was

01:17:29.860 not

01:17:30.120 really

01:17:30.420 something

01:17:30.880 different

01:17:31.760 from

01:17:32.200 capitalism

01:17:32.980 it

01:17:33.760 was

01:17:34.100 German

01:17:34.660 capitalism

01:17:35.500 it

01:17:36.100 was

01:17:36.340 not

01:17:36.560 something

01:17:37.020 else

01:17:37.360 like

01:17:37.680 corporatism

01:17:38.520 or

01:17:38.820 socialism

01:17:39.520 or

01:17:40.220 communism

01:17:40.860 so it

01:17:42.160 was

01:17:42.400 just

01:17:42.740 the

01:17:43.040 German

01:17:44.140 capitalism

01:17:45.040 thanks

01:17:49.080 again

01:17:49.360 so I

01:17:49.660 guess

01:17:49.800 yeah

01:17:49.960 it

01:17:50.040 would

01:17:50.120 be

01:17:50.240 fair

01:17:50.400 to

01:17:50.540 say

01:17:50.720 it

01:17:50.860 was

01:17:51.040 kind

01:17:51.300 of

01:17:51.920 just

01:17:53.220 German

01:17:53.540 capitalism

01:17:53.920 nationalist

01:17:54.400 capitalism

01:17:55.000 I guess

01:17:55.320 you could say

01:17:55.560 or national

01:17:56.000 capitalism

01:17:56.740 if you want

01:17:57.180 to kind

01:17:57.420 of put

01:17:57.600 it

01:17:57.680 that

01:17:57.860 way

01:17:58.340 yes

01:17:59.040 yes

01:17:59.640 yes

01:17:59.880 yes

01:18:00.940 I

01:18:06.040 don't

01:18:06.420 know

01:18:06.580 I

01:18:07.180 think

01:18:07.680 I

01:18:07.720 saw

01:18:07.940 Frank's

01:18:08.480 yeah

01:18:08.820 yeah

01:18:09.140 I

01:18:09.540 saw

01:18:09.700 Frank's

01:18:10.040 hand

01:18:10.280 yeah

01:18:10.560 go ahead

01:18:10.920 Frank

01:18:11.140 yeah

01:18:13.460 Mike

01:18:13.760 that was

01:18:14.300 that was

01:18:15.020 fascinating

01:18:15.640 I

01:18:15.940 could actually

01:18:17.200 listen to

01:18:17.820 those

01:18:18.160 explanations

01:18:18.760 for hours

01:18:19.580 but

01:18:19.920 just as

01:18:21.200 a personal

01:18:21.780 aside

01:18:22.420 your

01:18:24.680 your

01:18:25.920 status

01:18:26.720 you know

01:18:27.760 your parole

01:18:28.520 status

01:18:29.060 I'm

01:18:29.400 very

01:18:29.780 very

01:18:30.020 sympathetic

01:18:30.500 with that

01:18:31.260 and just

01:18:32.580 in my

01:18:33.000 case

01:18:33.460 because this

01:18:34.960 is kind

01:18:35.360 of a

01:18:35.720 personal

01:18:36.820 assessment

01:18:38.000 of your

01:18:38.580 own

01:18:38.960 it was

01:18:40.300 illegal

01:18:40.620 for me

01:18:41.160 to use

01:18:41.760 smartphones

01:18:42.420 and computers

01:18:43.260 for 36

01:18:44.380 years

01:18:44.960 this is

01:18:46.040 the

01:18:46.380 this is

01:18:46.840 the length

01:18:47.380 to which

01:18:48.060 the system

01:18:49.320 who is

01:18:49.740 extremely

01:18:50.420 unsettled

01:18:52.840 by just

01:18:53.600 common sense

01:18:54.620 narratives

01:18:56.100 like yourself

01:18:56.980 right

01:18:57.280 so I

01:18:57.760 really

01:18:58.200 appreciate

01:18:58.640 that

01:18:59.060 and the

01:18:59.680 point

01:19:00.000 I want

01:19:00.280 to drive

01:19:00.660 home

01:19:01.060 is that

01:19:01.940 not

01:19:02.300 everything

01:19:02.780 lasts

01:19:03.380 forever

01:19:03.920 so you

01:19:05.520 just keep

01:19:06.080 doing the

01:19:06.620 work that

01:19:07.000 you're doing

01:19:07.620 because obviously

01:19:08.640 your

01:19:09.240 your mind

01:19:09.960 and your

01:19:10.340 world

01:19:10.720 experience

01:19:11.280 is very

01:19:12.620 necessary

01:19:13.120 for all

01:19:13.780 the young

01:19:14.160 people to

01:19:14.640 understand

01:19:15.320 we have

01:19:16.500 been taking

01:19:17.060 casualties

01:19:17.660 for

01:19:18.360 several

01:19:19.160 generations

01:19:19.920 and just

01:19:21.380 like the

01:19:21.740 communists

01:19:22.280 in this

01:19:22.740 country

01:19:23.180 and around

01:19:23.940 the world

01:19:24.340 they suffered

01:19:25.080 they you know

01:19:26.660 they suffered

01:19:27.260 legal indignities

01:19:28.500 for 40

01:19:29.520 50 60

01:19:30.260 years

01:19:30.660 and ultimately

01:19:31.440 through all

01:19:32.640 of their

01:19:32.940 casualties

01:19:33.540 and their

01:19:34.820 sacrifices

01:19:35.520 they are in

01:19:36.220 power today

01:19:37.060 okay so

01:19:38.360 it's literally

01:19:39.460 our turn

01:19:40.520 to do this

01:19:41.400 and it

01:19:41.860 really behooves

01:19:42.760 all of us

01:19:43.340 to actually

01:19:44.460 become acquainted

01:19:46.040 with names

01:19:46.760 like

01:19:47.240 like Dr.

01:19:48.460 Dutui

01:19:48.800 and all

01:19:50.240 of the

01:19:50.520 hundreds

01:19:50.880 if not

01:19:51.340 thousands

01:19:51.940 of other

01:19:52.560 political

01:19:52.940 prisoners

01:19:53.360 still

01:19:53.900 in the

01:19:55.260 world

01:19:55.540 today

01:19:56.000 who are

01:19:56.480 trying

01:19:57.020 their very

01:19:57.600 best

01:19:58.040 to reach

01:19:58.600 out

01:19:58.960 reach up

01:20:00.100 and let

01:20:01.740 people know

01:20:02.520 in their

01:20:03.660 own

01:20:04.040 in their

01:20:04.440 own views

01:20:05.060 and in

01:20:05.540 their own

01:20:05.880 locations

01:20:06.380 what's

01:20:06.940 happened

01:20:07.380 what is

01:20:08.460 happening

01:20:08.820 presently

01:20:09.580 and what

01:20:10.020 will happen

01:20:10.560 to all

01:20:11.020 of us

01:20:11.260 in the

01:20:11.500 future

01:20:11.820 if we

01:20:13.040 don't

01:20:13.860 give

01:20:14.300 these

01:20:14.580 voices

01:20:15.220 you know

01:20:16.800 ample

01:20:17.260 coverage like

01:20:18.040 we're doing

01:20:18.400 today

01:20:18.720 and based

01:20:19.260 I really

01:20:19.720 appreciate

01:20:20.340 these kind

01:20:21.560 of spaces

01:20:22.200 posty

01:20:22.920 white

01:20:24.200 excellence

01:20:24.680 radio

01:20:25.100 these are

01:20:25.740 all

01:20:26.020 this is

01:20:27.100 such a

01:20:27.480 necessary

01:20:27.860 part

01:20:28.640 of the

01:20:29.140 rear guard

01:20:30.180 action

01:20:31.140 and the

01:20:32.060 action

01:20:32.400 going

01:20:32.760 forward

01:20:33.200 it's

01:20:33.480 you know

01:20:34.500 it's

01:20:34.740 very

01:20:34.980 uplifting

01:20:35.520 to me

01:20:36.140 I hope

01:20:37.560 that you

01:20:37.900 are going

01:20:38.500 to write

01:20:39.040 a book

01:20:40.400 maybe

01:20:41.300 you

01:20:41.560 maybe

01:20:42.040 you'll

01:20:42.260 have to

01:20:42.560 come

01:20:42.760 to the

01:20:43.020 United

01:20:43.180 States

01:20:43.540 Mike

01:20:43.880 as a

01:20:45.520 political

01:20:45.780 prisoner

01:20:46.220 I mean

01:20:46.580 stranger

01:20:47.180 things

01:20:47.520 have

01:20:47.720 happened

01:20:48.100 but to

01:20:49.680 write a

01:20:50.120 book

01:20:50.440 more or

01:20:51.060 less

01:20:51.380 not only

01:20:52.560 about your

01:20:52.920 world view

01:20:53.460 but about

01:20:53.960 your personal

01:20:54.660 experiences

01:20:55.340 and then

01:20:56.580 I'll finish

01:20:57.120 with this

01:20:57.560 Mike

01:20:57.840 and ask

01:20:58.860 you this

01:20:59.340 question

01:20:59.740 because I

01:21:00.320 wanted to

01:21:00.720 roll this

01:21:01.140 in my

01:21:01.500 earlier

01:21:01.800 questions

01:21:02.340 was

01:21:02.700 Nelson Mandela

01:21:06.560 was

01:21:06.940 essentially

01:21:07.620 I think

01:21:08.040 he did

01:21:09.040 26 years

01:21:10.240 26 or

01:21:11.780 27 years

01:21:12.860 in prison

01:21:13.540 but he

01:21:13.840 did it

01:21:14.340 in black

01:21:15.540 prisons

01:21:16.200 and if

01:21:17.600 you don't

01:21:18.200 mind

01:21:18.640 you don't

01:21:19.040 have to

01:21:19.420 do this

01:21:19.860 because I

01:21:20.440 don't like

01:21:20.820 talking about

01:21:21.400 my experiences

01:21:22.060 necessarily

01:21:22.680 either

01:21:23.060 but were

01:21:24.040 you kept

01:21:24.620 in a

01:21:25.220 mixed

01:21:25.580 prison

01:21:26.840 setting

01:21:27.320 or was

01:21:28.180 it

01:21:28.420 predominantly

01:21:29.280 Alphacons

01:21:30.720 let me

01:21:35.440 just say

01:21:36.140 that

01:21:36.560 unfortunately

01:21:38.140 I went

01:21:41.840 off

01:21:42.180 the

01:21:42.600 system

01:21:43.660 so

01:21:44.180 I

01:21:45.740 only

01:21:46.500 got

01:21:46.940 you

01:21:47.820 right at

01:21:48.260 the

01:21:48.360 beginning

01:21:48.720 and

01:21:49.000 right

01:21:49.260 at

01:21:49.420 the

01:21:49.540 end

01:21:49.900 so

01:21:52.860 if

01:21:53.160 I

01:21:53.380 don't

01:21:54.180 answer

01:21:54.900 what

01:21:55.600 you

01:21:55.940 would

01:21:56.700 like

01:21:57.000 to

01:21:57.180 hear

01:21:57.380 please

01:21:57.780 do

01:21:58.000 ask

01:21:58.340 again

01:21:58.980 look

01:22:00.100 there

01:22:00.460 were

01:22:00.840 racial

01:22:01.860 segregation

01:22:02.480 in the

01:22:03.180 prisons

01:22:03.620 the

01:22:04.000 blacks

01:22:04.360 were

01:22:04.560 kept

01:22:04.900 in

01:22:05.160 their

01:22:06.020 cells

01:22:07.400 and the

01:22:07.920 whites

01:22:08.180 were

01:22:08.420 kept

01:22:08.700 in

01:22:08.920 their

01:22:09.120 own

01:22:09.400 cells

01:22:09.900 but

01:22:10.900 when

01:22:11.100 I

01:22:11.380 was

01:22:11.680 there

01:22:12.020 that

01:22:13.140 system

01:22:13.720 was

01:22:14.060 abolished

01:22:14.820 so

01:22:15.560 I

01:22:15.840 was

01:22:16.100 there

01:22:16.520 with

01:22:17.000 blacks

01:22:17.480 I

01:22:17.760 was

01:22:18.120 in

01:22:18.960 a

01:22:19.200 cell

01:22:19.540 where

01:22:20.860 about

01:22:21.280 20

01:22:21.820 people

01:22:22.320 should

01:22:22.700 live

01:22:23.060 with

01:22:23.420 about

01:22:23.780 60

01:22:24.280 black

01:22:24.640 people

01:22:25.140 and

01:22:26.560 so

01:22:26.800 I

01:22:27.000 can

01:22:27.200 carry

01:22:27.540 on

01:22:27.840 and

01:22:28.080 on

01:22:28.400 and

01:22:29.140 eventually

01:22:30.200 I

01:22:31.260 discovered

01:22:32.020 that

01:22:34.780 I

01:22:35.020 can

01:22:35.440 ask

01:22:36.400 for

01:22:36.820 a

01:22:37.080 single

01:22:37.400 cell

01:22:37.780 so

01:22:39.240 I

01:22:39.440 asked

01:22:39.860 for

01:22:40.120 a

01:22:40.300 single

01:22:40.580 cell

01:22:41.000 on

01:22:41.320 the

01:22:41.500 pretext

01:22:42.080 that

01:22:42.560 my

01:22:43.880 life

01:22:44.220 is

01:22:45.860 endangered

01:22:46.560 so

01:22:47.880 for

01:22:48.140 the

01:22:48.360 biggest

01:22:48.720 part

01:22:49.160 of

01:22:49.380 my

01:22:49.820 incarceration

01:22:50.620 I

01:22:51.300 was

01:22:51.620 in

01:22:51.880 a

01:22:52.140 cell

01:22:52.400 all

01:22:52.720 by

01:22:52.920 my

01:22:53.160 own

01:22:53.480 day

01:22:54.340 and

01:22:54.640 night

01:22:55.120 I

01:22:57.360 just

01:22:57.680 want

01:22:57.960 to

01:22:58.080 take

01:22:58.360 this

01:22:58.700 I

01:22:59.280 don't

01:22:59.460 want

01:22:59.640 to

01:22:59.740 interject

01:23:00.140 Dr.

01:23:00.560 Mike

01:23:00.760 but

01:23:00.980 I

01:23:01.120 just

01:23:01.280 want

01:23:01.420 to

01:23:01.500 take

01:23:01.700 the

01:23:02.020 time

01:23:02.260 to

01:23:02.420 say

01:23:02.660 please

01:23:03.560 be

01:23:03.840 mindful

01:23:04.360 I

01:23:05.940 know

01:23:06.160 we

01:23:06.340 can

01:23:06.500 get

01:23:06.700 drawn

01:23:07.000 into

01:23:07.300 the

01:23:08.780 conversation

01:23:11.040 to the

01:23:11.600 point

01:23:11.840 where

01:23:12.080 sometimes

01:23:12.640 we

01:23:13.140 don't

01:23:14.280 keep

01:23:14.480 our

01:23:14.640 train

01:23:14.840 of

01:23:14.980 forward

01:23:15.180 which

01:23:15.600 is

01:23:15.740 not

01:23:15.920 what

01:23:16.060 I'm

01:23:16.140 saying

01:23:16.300 you're

01:23:16.420 doing

01:23:16.580 but

01:23:16.840 just

01:23:17.920 be

01:23:18.140 mindful

01:23:18.460 of

01:23:18.880 your

01:23:19.640 parole

01:23:20.040 prescriptions

01:23:22.600 and

01:23:23.260 when

01:23:25.000 you answer

01:23:25.520 questions

01:23:26.080 thank

01:23:28.100 you

01:23:28.400 what

01:23:29.220 you

01:23:29.560 did

01:23:29.860 was

01:23:30.080 that

01:23:30.280 you

01:23:30.400 were

01:23:30.560 on a

01:23:30.780 mix

01:23:31.040 it

01:23:31.240 changed

01:23:31.640 I

01:23:31.800 think

01:23:31.920 that

01:23:32.160 would

01:23:32.320 be

01:23:32.560 fair

01:23:32.880 enough

01:23:33.060 I

01:23:33.160 don't

01:23:33.240 know

01:23:33.360 Frank

01:23:33.640 did you

01:23:34.040 want

01:23:34.200 to

01:23:34.280 know

01:23:34.380 anything

01:23:34.720 deeper

01:23:36.000 than

01:23:36.240 that

01:23:36.540 or

01:23:36.760 no

01:23:37.940 no

01:23:38.360 I

01:23:38.600 just

01:23:38.900 want

01:23:39.300 the

01:23:39.520 audience

01:23:40.040 it's

01:23:40.400 not

01:23:40.620 it's

01:23:40.860 not

01:23:41.100 this

01:23:41.380 interplay

01:23:41.780 between

01:23:42.060 myself

01:23:42.560 and

01:23:42.780 Mike

01:23:43.100 or

01:23:43.280 Johannes

01:23:43.660 or

01:23:43.940 anybody

01:23:44.280 it's

01:23:45.560 it's

01:23:45.940 the

01:23:46.240 audience

01:23:46.940 because

01:23:47.540 you

01:23:48.300 know

01:23:48.420 we

01:23:48.620 always

01:23:49.040 hear

01:23:49.400 about

01:23:49.960 you

01:23:50.200 know

01:23:50.540 crimes

01:23:53.260 and

01:23:53.460 misdemeanors

01:23:54.180 against

01:23:54.620 you

01:23:54.820 know

01:23:54.940 every

01:23:55.240 sort

01:23:55.720 of

01:23:56.020 pervert

01:23:57.660 and

01:23:58.080 and

01:23:58.380 whatever

01:23:58.760 but

01:23:59.020 our

01:23:59.300 people

01:23:59.780 you

01:24:00.020 know

01:24:00.160 I

01:24:00.520 think

01:24:00.640 it was

01:24:00.860 Solzhenitsyn

01:24:01.480 that said

01:24:02.120 the

01:24:02.980 gulags

01:24:03.720 don't

01:24:04.240 affect

01:24:04.920 the

01:24:05.720 common

01:24:06.440 criminal

01:24:07.040 or the

01:24:07.660 common

01:24:08.060 revolutionary

01:24:08.840 but

01:24:09.340 it

01:24:09.860 affected

01:24:10.360 most

01:24:11.500 dramatically

01:24:12.180 the

01:24:12.640 academics

01:24:13.300 the

01:24:13.680 the

01:24:13.980 individuals

01:24:14.520 who

01:24:15.220 for all

01:24:16.040 intents

01:24:16.300 purposes

01:24:16.700 were of

01:24:17.680 a higher

01:24:18.060 intelligence

01:24:18.760 they were

01:24:19.240 more

01:24:19.480 sensitive

01:24:19.960 and

01:24:20.880 this is

01:24:21.280 why

01:24:21.600 this is

01:24:22.040 why

01:24:22.480 they

01:24:22.760 put

01:24:23.160 our

01:24:23.480 people

01:24:23.960 in

01:24:24.800 these

01:24:25.040 positions

01:24:25.560 that's

01:24:25.900 all I

01:24:26.160 wanted

01:24:26.360 to tell

01:24:26.860 the

01:24:27.120 audience

01:24:27.560 is that

01:24:28.680 when you

01:24:29.080 hear

01:24:29.440 influencers

01:24:30.200 or leaders

01:24:31.140 or spokesmen

01:24:32.140 and they

01:24:33.240 are

01:24:33.740 denied

01:24:35.240 their

01:24:35.540 freedom

01:24:35.940 and they're

01:24:36.280 placed

01:24:36.700 in these

01:24:37.160 places

01:24:37.600 this is

01:24:38.820 designed

01:24:39.580 on a

01:24:40.540 personal

01:24:40.940 level

01:24:41.340 to

01:24:41.580 destroy

01:24:42.340 their

01:24:44.120 belief

01:24:44.760 not only

01:24:45.360 in

01:24:45.640 themselves

01:24:46.180 but in

01:24:46.700 their

01:24:46.880 mission

01:24:47.340 in

01:24:48.060 their

01:24:48.240 people

01:24:48.740 this

01:24:49.040 every

01:24:49.440 time

01:24:50.120 we

01:24:50.400 we

01:24:50.960 look

01:24:51.240 at

01:24:51.500 our

01:24:52.780 world

01:24:53.120 around

01:24:53.540 us

01:24:53.880 remember

01:24:54.380 the

01:24:54.840 seers

01:24:55.820 and the

01:24:56.540 philosophers

01:24:57.160 and the

01:24:58.220 speakers

01:24:58.660 these are

01:24:59.640 the people

01:25:00.120 that they

01:25:01.000 fear the

01:25:01.840 greatest

01:25:02.140 obviously

01:25:02.760 because

01:25:03.340 the spoken

01:25:04.780 word

01:25:05.140 and the

01:25:05.400 written

01:25:05.600 word

01:25:06.040 are the

01:25:06.820 ones

01:25:07.040 that

01:25:07.260 drive

01:25:07.680 these

01:25:07.940 points

01:25:08.440 most

01:25:09.660 closely

01:25:10.180 to our

01:25:10.680 hearts

01:25:10.960 I just

01:25:11.320 wanted to

01:25:11.700 recognize

01:25:12.360 Mike

01:25:12.880 in that

01:25:13.820 respect

01:25:14.220 that he

01:25:15.740 has suffered

01:25:16.440 on behalf

01:25:17.640 of his

01:25:18.800 people

01:25:19.280 and his

01:25:20.840 nation

01:25:21.380 and so

01:25:22.460 kudos

01:25:22.960 to men

01:25:24.280 like that

01:25:24.840 and there's

01:25:25.240 not just

01:25:25.860 him

01:25:26.080 there's been

01:25:26.520 hundreds

01:25:27.220 of men

01:25:28.520 in these

01:25:29.080 cases

01:25:29.460 so

01:25:29.960 anyway

01:25:30.820 thanks for

01:25:31.280 the mic

01:25:31.580 guys

01:25:32.000 and great

01:25:32.800 great

01:25:33.140 conversation

01:25:33.880 thanks

01:25:35.240 may I

01:25:36.080 just

01:25:36.260 few

01:25:40.380 things

01:25:40.860 first

01:25:41.300 of all

01:25:41.960 when

01:25:43.220 you

01:25:43.500 are

01:25:43.960 on

01:25:45.180 the

01:25:45.500 opposite

01:25:46.340 side

01:25:46.840 government

01:25:47.660 you

01:25:48.920 for the

01:25:49.440 first

01:25:49.760 time

01:25:50.280 experience

01:25:52.000 and realize

01:25:53.380 the power

01:25:54.020 of a

01:25:54.460 government

01:25:54.880 you

01:25:56.420 won't

01:25:56.940 believe

01:25:57.440 what

01:25:57.760 power

01:25:58.200 government

01:25:58.880 have

01:25:59.420 extreme

01:26:01.040 power

01:26:01.820 to the

01:26:02.720 extent

01:26:03.100 that

01:26:03.380 you

01:26:03.640 as

01:26:04.020 individual

01:26:05.120 are

01:26:06.500 can

01:26:07.620 actually

01:26:08.080 do

01:26:08.380 nothing

01:26:08.760 that's

01:26:09.160 the

01:26:09.300 first

01:26:09.600 thing

01:26:09.800 I

01:26:09.940 would

01:26:10.080 like

01:26:10.300 to

01:26:10.480 mention

01:26:10.880 then

01:26:12.480 another

01:26:12.960 thing

01:26:13.300 you

01:26:13.480 mentioned

01:26:14.080 is

01:26:15.860 I

01:26:17.080 can't

01:26:17.400 remember

01:26:17.800 what

01:26:18.140 you

01:26:18.460 said

01:26:18.980 but

01:26:19.520 I

01:26:19.660 would

01:26:19.840 like

01:26:20.140 to

01:26:20.500 say

01:26:21.480 that

01:26:22.740 you

01:26:22.900 know

01:26:23.080 for

01:26:23.340 the

01:26:23.520 last

01:26:23.860 150

01:26:24.860 years

01:26:25.720 our

01:26:27.320 type

01:26:27.980 of

01:26:28.480 person

01:26:29.580 with

01:26:30.680 our

01:26:31.000 type

01:26:31.440 of

01:26:31.640 ideas

01:26:32.380 there's

01:26:32.840 just

01:26:33.200 one

01:26:33.600 example

01:26:34.220 in

01:26:34.500 the

01:26:34.680 world

01:26:35.160 where

01:26:36.140 we

01:26:36.400 have

01:26:36.640 won

01:26:37.060 all

01:26:38.080 other

01:26:38.500 struggles

01:26:39.300 we

01:26:39.560 have

01:26:39.720 lost

01:26:40.120 just

01:26:40.900 one

01:26:41.240 example

01:26:41.780 where

01:26:42.120 we

01:26:42.340 have

01:26:42.540 won

01:26:42.840 and

01:26:43.800 that

01:26:44.060 is

01:26:44.360 in

01:26:45.400 the

01:26:45.600 Spanish

01:26:46.120 Civil

01:26:46.700 War

01:26:47.180 from

01:26:47.980 1946

01:26:48.880 to

01:26:49.300 1949

01:26:49.880 that's

01:26:50.560 the

01:26:50.760 only

01:26:51.240 example

01:26:53.600 where

01:26:54.080 our

01:26:54.400 people

01:26:54.880 won

01:26:55.340 a

01:26:55.700 war

01:26:56.000 so

01:26:56.800 what

01:26:57.040 I'm

01:26:57.300 trying

01:26:57.640 to

01:26:57.880 say

01:26:58.140 is

01:26:58.680 we

01:26:59.980 are

01:27:00.180 going

01:27:00.440 to

01:27:00.620 get

01:27:00.840 a

01:27:01.020 chance

01:27:01.380 again

01:27:01.720 in

01:27:01.900 the

01:27:02.060 future

01:27:02.460 and

01:27:03.780 we

01:27:04.040 must

01:27:04.560 use

01:27:06.920 all

01:27:07.280 our

01:27:07.760 creative

01:27:08.940 abilities

01:27:09.620 to

01:27:10.020 make

01:27:10.260 the

01:27:10.460 best

01:27:10.760 of

01:27:11.000 that

01:27:11.340 not

01:27:12.400 to

01:27:12.600 slip

01:27:12.880 up

01:27:13.140 again

01:27:13.560 amazing

01:27:17.560 welcome

01:27:20.880 to the

01:27:21.240 floor

01:27:21.480 radio

01:27:21.920 did I

01:27:22.440 see

01:27:22.660 extra's

01:27:23.240 hand

01:27:23.520 up

01:27:23.840 yeah

01:27:25.520 he

01:27:25.740 has

01:27:25.920 his

01:27:26.060 hand

01:27:26.220 up

01:27:26.500 yeah

01:27:26.740 okay

01:27:27.580 go ahead

01:27:28.060 extra

01:27:28.360 and then

01:27:28.580 we can

01:27:28.820 go to

01:27:29.020 radio

01:27:29.400 well

01:27:31.960 thank

01:27:32.200 you

01:27:32.480 and

01:27:33.020 yeah

01:27:33.620 look

01:27:33.920 this is

01:27:34.980 why I

01:27:35.360 asked

01:27:35.680 the

01:27:35.880 question

01:27:36.240 because

01:27:36.720 I

01:27:37.120 wasn't

01:27:37.420 aware

01:27:37.840 and I

01:27:38.760 did

01:27:38.900 wonder

01:27:39.320 before

01:27:40.060 the

01:27:40.720 interview

01:27:41.140 whether

01:27:41.840 it was

01:27:42.680 going to

01:27:43.060 be

01:27:43.180 possible

01:27:43.540 to

01:27:43.720 talk

01:27:43.920 about

01:27:44.100 these

01:27:44.340 things

01:27:44.620 so

01:27:46.640 so far

01:27:48.080 I don't

01:27:49.320 believe

01:27:49.640 that we

01:27:50.420 have

01:27:50.560 transgressed

01:27:51.820 any line

01:27:52.540 and I

01:27:52.740 think we've

01:27:53.040 fallen

01:27:53.300 or not

01:27:54.040 fallen

01:27:54.280 we have

01:27:54.680 remained

01:27:55.260 quite a

01:27:56.720 distance

01:27:57.000 from it

01:27:57.380 and in

01:27:58.560 speaking in

01:27:59.000 the abstract

01:27:59.460 there we're

01:28:00.280 now getting

01:28:00.920 away from it

01:28:01.500 a bit as

01:28:02.420 well from the

01:28:02.940 specifics but

01:28:03.520 talking in a

01:28:04.200 very useful

01:28:04.680 generality

01:28:05.260 and first

01:28:08.100 of all I'll

01:28:08.580 just say

01:28:08.920 that you

01:28:10.620 know I am

01:28:11.320 reminded of

01:28:11.960 course of the

01:28:12.680 mythology and I

01:28:13.620 think the

01:28:14.040 comparison was

01:28:14.620 nearly made

01:28:15.480 to Nelson

01:28:17.460 Mandela and

01:28:18.400 how well it

01:28:20.260 was often said

01:28:20.980 about him by

01:28:22.280 people who

01:28:22.800 used the

01:28:23.580 phrase maybe

01:28:24.120 to appear

01:28:24.640 wise because

01:28:25.160 they'd heard

01:28:25.480 somebody else

01:28:25.980 say it who

01:28:26.380 they thought

01:28:26.700 was wise but

01:28:27.380 it is a

01:28:27.760 truism that

01:28:28.340 one man's

01:28:28.840 freedom fighter

01:28:29.360 is another

01:28:30.420 man's terrorist

01:28:31.080 and one man's

01:28:31.740 terrorist is another

01:28:32.320 man's freedom

01:28:32.780 fighter it

01:28:33.840 depends on the

01:28:34.420 perspective from

01:28:35.040 what you're

01:28:35.280 looking at or

01:28:35.980 it depends on

01:28:37.560 what is the

01:28:38.580 prevailing attitude

01:28:39.640 of society and

01:28:40.960 as I have come

01:28:41.640 to realise and

01:28:42.120 maybe others in

01:28:42.680 this room have

01:28:43.100 come to realise

01:28:43.560 is that most

01:28:44.600 of society do

01:28:45.360 not in fact

01:28:45.940 hold their

01:28:46.700 own opinions

01:28:47.160 they don't

01:28:47.520 derive their

01:28:48.200 own opinions

01:28:48.600 they just

01:28:49.520 simply wet a

01:28:50.860 finger put it

01:28:51.400 in the air and

01:28:51.880 see which way

01:28:52.280 the wind is

01:28:52.600 blowing and

01:28:52.940 then they

01:28:53.240 pretty much

01:28:54.200 sincerely believe

01:28:55.020 that whatever

01:28:55.540 the popular

01:28:55.980 opinion is

01:28:56.840 lo and behold

01:28:57.820 they also have

01:28:59.080 that same opinion

01:28:59.720 so most people

01:29:01.240 pretty much blow

01:29:02.220 whatever way the

01:29:02.740 wind is blowing

01:29:03.360 and this is how

01:29:05.180 easily then the

01:29:06.000 perception of

01:29:07.020 any man can

01:29:08.740 change and be

01:29:09.640 rewritten as

01:29:10.920 we've I'm old

01:29:11.940 enough now to

01:29:12.420 have seen history

01:29:13.060 be rewritten

01:29:13.700 many people in

01:29:15.480 South Africa of

01:29:16.340 course if you go

01:29:17.780 there will remind

01:29:18.560 you Nelson

01:29:19.520 Mandela is not a

01:29:20.920 saint even though

01:29:21.700 he is perhaps

01:29:22.880 the most modern

01:29:24.480 day saint

01:29:25.140 canonized in

01:29:26.400 his own

01:29:26.740 lifetime and

01:29:27.940 pop stars and

01:29:29.000 everybody else

01:29:29.580 went to visit

01:29:30.100 him and they

01:29:31.440 all reported

01:29:32.000 what a presence

01:29:33.660 he had and

01:29:34.360 how they felt

01:29:35.240 that he was a

01:29:37.100 holy man he

01:29:37.900 was like a

01:29:39.040 cross between

01:29:39.560 maybe the

01:29:39.920 Pope and

01:29:40.260 the Dalai

01:29:40.740 Lama and

01:29:42.100 a rock star

01:29:42.980 in any case

01:29:44.380 to come down

01:29:45.620 from that

01:29:46.120 you know the

01:29:47.600 by contrast

01:29:49.060 and they always

01:29:49.380 tell these

01:29:49.700 stories by

01:29:50.140 contrast is

01:29:51.480 that he was

01:29:52.020 on imprisoned

01:29:52.900 on an

01:29:53.220 island robbing

01:29:53.820 island just

01:29:54.940 off the

01:29:55.340 coast of

01:29:56.800 this lovely

01:29:57.620 lovely beaches

01:29:58.420 in western

01:30:00.760 cape of

01:30:01.420 South Africa

01:30:01.920 whereby all

01:30:02.720 these white

01:30:03.200 people in

01:30:03.660 their apartheid

01:30:04.400 state would

01:30:04.900 sun themselves

01:30:05.560 meanwhile he

01:30:06.340 was in this

01:30:06.820 bare cell

01:30:07.940 there but

01:30:08.960 of course I

01:30:09.480 did hear that

01:30:10.060 you know he

01:30:10.960 was provided

01:30:11.740 with a fax

01:30:12.220 machine and

01:30:12.700 other things

01:30:13.160 and he was

01:30:13.360 allowed to

01:30:13.620 communicate with

01:30:14.220 other people

01:30:14.560 and plan

01:30:15.120 his political

01:30:16.600 or his

01:30:18.080 emergence

01:30:18.440 onto the

01:30:19.060 political stage

01:30:19.740 and then become

01:30:20.840 the president

01:30:21.260 it's sort of

01:30:21.880 one of these

01:30:22.200 rags to rich

01:30:22.800 stories which

01:30:23.500 they love to

01:30:23.980 tell us or

01:30:24.400 from some

01:30:25.320 kind of

01:30:26.240 destitute

01:30:27.600 type of state

01:30:28.420 to becoming

01:30:29.020 king of the

01:30:29.540 world more

01:30:30.100 or less

01:30:30.400 now I'm not

01:30:31.960 trying to

01:30:32.320 suggest that

01:30:33.560 this future

01:30:34.800 of course might

01:30:35.660 lie ahead

01:30:36.640 there for

01:30:37.140 for Dr.

01:30:39.400 de Toy

01:30:39.660 I'm not trying

01:30:40.300 to flatter him

01:30:40.960 but I am

01:30:41.800 just sort of

01:30:42.280 showing to

01:30:43.180 the audience

01:30:43.640 maybe as

01:30:44.100 well

01:30:44.360 how all

01:30:45.880 it takes

01:30:46.300 is a little

01:30:46.760 perception

01:30:47.320 shift

01:30:47.840 and a

01:30:48.920 narrative

01:30:49.280 shift

01:30:49.720 for things

01:30:50.600 to change

01:30:51.120 and I do

01:30:51.540 hope that

01:30:52.380 perceptions do

01:30:53.080 change in the

01:30:53.540 future

01:30:53.740 I think

01:30:54.140 what has

01:30:55.240 happened

01:30:56.100 bit by bit

01:30:56.800 as we talked

01:30:57.220 about before

01:30:57.620 piecemeal

01:30:58.140 gradually

01:30:58.600 has been

01:30:59.420 not just

01:31:00.000 one concession

01:31:00.740 of territory

01:31:01.440 or of

01:31:02.340 maybe our

01:31:03.220 society

01:31:03.700 but of our

01:31:04.380 own perceptions

01:31:04.980 of ourselves

01:31:05.560 and I know

01:31:05.960 Frank is always

01:31:06.560 at pains to

01:31:07.040 point this out

01:31:07.600 that it's not

01:31:08.760 just a case of

01:31:09.340 pointing the

01:31:09.800 finger at

01:31:10.180 others and

01:31:10.580 saying they

01:31:12.140 did something

01:31:12.920 to us

01:31:13.460 or they

01:31:13.760 have robbed

01:31:14.340 something from

01:31:14.820 us and of

01:31:15.200 course we can

01:31:15.740 also make

01:31:16.620 comparisons to

01:31:17.200 other people

01:31:17.540 who say oh

01:31:18.080 we would be

01:31:18.860 great if it

01:31:19.360 weren't for the

01:31:19.820 fact that other

01:31:20.360 people had robbed

01:31:21.040 something from

01:31:21.580 us

01:31:21.760 we are morally

01:31:23.940 spiritually

01:31:24.760 psychologically

01:31:26.040 beaten down

01:31:27.660 we have allowed

01:31:28.440 these things to

01:31:29.280 happen

01:31:29.520 our fathers

01:31:30.840 forefathers and

01:31:31.760 forefathers before

01:31:32.920 them gradually

01:31:33.660 have allowed their

01:31:34.660 own perceptions of

01:31:35.940 themselves to be

01:31:36.520 diminished

01:31:36.800 now I'm not here

01:31:37.600 to soapbox so

01:31:38.440 I'll wrap this up

01:31:39.380 now and put it

01:31:40.420 into a question

01:31:41.440 here again it's

01:31:43.220 it's in the

01:31:43.660 abstract a part

01:31:44.760 of this sort

01:31:46.740 of reawakening

01:31:48.400 or coming back

01:31:50.300 from the brink

01:31:51.200 is a sort of a

01:31:52.240 spiritual stroke

01:31:53.340 psychological aspect

01:31:54.720 and I am aware

01:31:55.580 that in South

01:31:56.100 Africa one of

01:31:58.180 particularly for

01:31:58.880 Afrikaners the

01:32:00.560 maybe the

01:32:01.300 spiritual leader

01:32:02.960 is a man

01:32:04.360 called

01:32:04.700 Siener van

01:32:05.800 Vrensberg and

01:32:07.480 he had visions

01:32:09.040 of the future

01:32:09.620 and a part of

01:32:10.260 that vision was

01:32:10.800 that there would

01:32:11.440 be a great fall

01:32:12.140 and be economic

01:32:12.900 decline and there

01:32:13.760 would be territorial

01:32:14.660 concessions and

01:32:16.500 the Buddha or

01:32:18.120 the Afrikaner and

01:32:18.900 the white man in

01:32:19.580 South Africa and

01:32:20.860 maybe across the

01:32:21.540 world would fall

01:32:22.660 into decline

01:32:23.240 but that there

01:32:25.180 would be some

01:32:25.980 kind of renaissance

01:32:26.680 at some point

01:32:27.300 unfortunately as

01:32:28.900 we have talked

01:32:29.720 about in some of

01:32:30.700 HT's spaces

01:32:31.440 recently and

01:32:33.000 elsewhere a lot

01:32:34.600 of people who

01:32:35.240 hold on to

01:32:35.780 religion think that

01:32:36.760 well if the

01:32:37.220 things will come

01:32:38.960 right in the end

01:32:39.600 they often feel

01:32:40.440 that well that's

01:32:41.620 fate and they

01:32:42.400 just need to hang

01:32:43.300 around until such

01:32:44.420 time as you

01:32:46.680 know things get

01:32:47.240 better not

01:32:47.960 realizing I think

01:32:49.100 that they have to

01:32:49.600 play their part

01:32:50.340 and so again

01:32:51.420 speaking the

01:32:52.080 abstract could

01:32:53.900 Dr. de Toy

01:32:54.860 speak a little

01:32:55.420 bit with regard

01:32:56.680 to how he might

01:32:57.260 feel maybe when

01:32:58.340 he was a young

01:32:58.880 man versus now

01:33:00.100 about the idea

01:33:01.680 of fate or

01:33:02.760 destiny and

01:33:03.680 maybe in regard

01:33:04.780 to Siener van

01:33:05.560 Rensberg please

01:33:07.220 yes I believe

01:33:14.820 that every

01:33:15.940 human being

01:33:16.940 have a

01:33:19.540 destiny I

01:33:20.680 would not

01:33:22.160 like I would

01:33:22.860 not like to

01:33:23.560 use the word

01:33:24.300 fate every

01:33:25.760 human being

01:33:26.720 and every

01:33:27.520 nation in the

01:33:28.400 world have

01:33:29.600 a destiny

01:33:30.340 I don't believe

01:33:34.320 in free will

01:33:35.160 you know in I'm

01:33:37.920 trained in

01:33:38.660 philosophy which

01:33:40.440 is this subject

01:33:41.660 of the free

01:33:42.380 will promoting

01:33:43.440 free will but I

01:33:45.580 don't believe in

01:33:46.480 free will

01:33:47.120 the reason being

01:33:50.720 that perhaps this

01:33:55.220 is very personal

01:33:56.160 but in my

01:33:57.240 young days

01:33:58.020 I visited

01:34:00.500 people who

01:34:01.680 claimed they

01:34:02.620 can see the

01:34:03.280 future quite a

01:34:05.000 few times and

01:34:07.040 some of those

01:34:07.800 predictions came

01:34:09.000 out 100%

01:34:11.520 not 1 not

01:34:13.080 2 10 15

01:34:15.020 so I have no

01:34:18.920 doubt that each

01:34:21.520 one of us has a

01:34:22.640 destiny and that

01:34:24.820 there is no such

01:34:25.680 thing as free

01:34:26.580 will I have

01:34:29.180 studied Siener van

01:34:30.100 Rendsburg quite

01:34:31.380 intensively and

01:34:33.560 unfortunately I

01:34:34.820 must tell you

01:34:35.680 that especially

01:34:38.220 the books of

01:34:39.520 Snyman about

01:34:41.300 Siener van

01:34:41.920 Rendsburg is

01:34:44.060 completely

01:34:45.240 untrue

01:34:46.260 because he is

01:34:48.160 mixing Siener

01:34:49.440 van Rendsburg's

01:34:50.680 visions with

01:34:53.060 Johanna Brandt

01:34:54.420 and all sorts

01:34:56.940 of stories that

01:34:58.040 he heard and

01:34:59.620 people that are

01:35:00.580 sending him

01:35:01.360 messages and

01:35:02.980 then he can

01:35:03.920 throw all of

01:35:05.860 that together and

01:35:06.840 then he is

01:35:08.220 publishing it as

01:35:09.380 the visions of

01:35:10.260 Siener van

01:35:10.740 Rendsburg

01:35:11.420 I have

01:35:12.880 studied Siener

01:35:13.840 van Rendsburg

01:35:14.560 and I have

01:35:15.200 discovered a

01:35:16.020 few things

01:35:16.760 that are

01:35:18.580 really

01:35:19.760 completely

01:35:22.160 against

01:35:22.960 everything that

01:35:24.120 he said about

01:35:25.040 him

01:35:25.320 one is so

01:35:28.260 sensitive that

01:35:29.160 I am not

01:35:29.560 going to

01:35:30.000 mention it

01:35:30.740 but I

01:35:33.540 believe that

01:35:34.340 there are

01:35:35.720 people who

01:35:36.880 can see into

01:35:37.740 the future

01:35:38.420 I don't know

01:35:39.940 how it works

01:35:40.820 but it is as

01:35:43.020 if the future

01:35:43.800 already happened

01:35:44.940 and we

01:35:46.600 are just

01:35:47.340 actors on a

01:35:48.240 stage

01:35:48.760 playing our

01:35:50.480 roles

01:35:50.920 thank you

01:36:00.740 thank you

01:36:00.760 I really

01:36:01.300 appreciate

01:36:02.260 the

01:36:02.800 Shakespearean

01:36:04.060 type of

01:36:04.640 quote at the

01:36:05.580 end there

01:36:05.920 I don't

01:36:06.660 know

01:36:06.980 I'm

01:36:07.160 excited

01:36:07.780 but I

01:36:08.200 think there's

01:36:08.740 probably some

01:36:09.240 truth in that

01:36:09.740 but we still

01:36:10.300 have to play

01:36:10.720 our roles

01:36:11.300 regardless

01:36:11.860 anyway

01:36:13.460 thank you

01:36:13.920 I just

01:36:15.640 want to

01:36:15.940 ask

01:36:16.220 just that

01:36:16.880 housekeeping

01:36:18.040 Mike

01:36:18.560 please make

01:36:19.780 sure that

01:36:20.480 if you are

01:36:20.960 not speaking

01:36:21.760 that you

01:36:22.640 just mute

01:36:23.640 your mic

01:36:24.020 because it

01:36:24.560 causes some

01:36:25.360 feedback and

01:36:26.120 stuff like that

01:36:26.660 but I do

01:36:27.280 think that's

01:36:27.860 a good

01:36:28.720 answer

01:36:29.060 I would

01:36:29.380 just like

01:36:29.780 to use

01:36:31.960 the

01:36:32.360 preface

01:36:33.400 of

01:36:35.200 external

01:36:36.300 to make

01:36:38.160 a statement

01:36:38.680 and ask

01:36:39.200 Dr. Mike

01:36:39.740 to comment

01:36:40.220 on it

01:36:40.640 so the

01:36:41.760 idea that

01:36:42.340 one man's

01:36:42.960 freedom

01:36:43.280 fighter is

01:36:43.960 another man's

01:36:44.980 terrorist

01:36:45.720 and vice

01:36:46.280 versa

01:36:46.720 a lot

01:36:47.880 of times

01:36:48.540 it is

01:36:49.020 held

01:36:49.540 the idea

01:36:50.460 is held

01:36:50.880 that Nelson

01:36:51.720 Mandela

01:36:52.220 is this

01:36:52.880 black

01:36:53.200 savior

01:36:53.620 I do

01:36:54.820 not hold

01:36:55.180 that belief

01:36:55.680 I think

01:36:56.120 it's laughable

01:36:56.880 I think

01:36:57.700 Nelson

01:36:58.200 Mandela

01:36:58.640 to be

01:36:59.620 the freedom

01:37:00.140 fighter

01:37:00.560 of

01:37:00.840 international

01:37:01.540 capitalism

01:37:02.320 or

01:37:03.120 Jews

01:37:04.660 to be

01:37:05.240 quite

01:37:05.580 frank

01:37:06.080 and

01:37:06.560 submissive

01:37:07.700 but

01:37:08.760 because

01:37:10.720 the vision

01:37:11.480 that he

01:37:11.760 was fighting

01:37:12.280 for was

01:37:12.940 a non-racial

01:37:13.680 one

01:37:13.960 now what

01:37:14.840 I want

01:37:15.160 to know

01:37:15.460 from

01:37:15.760 Dr. Mike

01:37:18.240 do you

01:37:19.340 think

01:37:19.860 that the

01:37:20.560 nationalist

01:37:21.040 party

01:37:21.660 the white

01:37:22.520 government

01:37:22.980 of South

01:37:23.560 Africa

01:37:23.940 is

01:37:25.080 actively

01:37:25.980 and I

01:37:26.400 say is

01:37:27.020 and not

01:37:27.400 was

01:37:27.860 but is

01:37:28.880 actively

01:37:29.420 undermining

01:37:30.520 or

01:37:32.160 averting

01:37:33.200 any kind

01:37:33.920 of racial

01:37:34.420 conflict

01:37:35.040 in South

01:37:35.560 Africa

01:37:36.060 I believe

01:37:37.840 that Chris

01:37:38.720 Haney

01:37:39.180 was the

01:37:40.040 real black

01:37:40.780 freedom

01:37:41.200 fighter

01:37:41.660 and he

01:37:42.200 was killed

01:37:42.980 to ensure

01:37:44.460 or to

01:37:44.940 set the

01:37:45.580 stage

01:37:46.180 for

01:37:47.020 Mandela

01:37:47.840 to be

01:37:48.240 this

01:37:48.540 messianic

01:37:49.400 figure

01:37:50.040 for

01:37:51.520 multiracialism

01:37:53.440 could you

01:37:54.100 comment on

01:37:54.660 the

01:37:54.820 statement

01:37:55.220 to the

01:37:55.980 extent

01:37:56.400 that

01:37:56.840 you know

01:37:57.600 you feel

01:37:58.180 comfortable

01:37:58.680 I agree

01:38:03.100 with you

01:38:03.620 100%

01:38:04.900 Nelson

01:38:05.400 Mandela

01:38:05.980 was just

01:38:07.300 a figure

01:38:07.800 he meant

01:38:08.920 nothing

01:38:09.440 the

01:38:12.440 real

01:38:12.780 leader

01:38:14.080 of the

01:38:14.780 black

01:38:15.140 struggle

01:38:15.580 was

01:38:15.940 Chris

01:38:16.300 Haney

01:38:16.700 and

01:38:20.260 I don't

01:38:21.900 think

01:38:22.260 like you

01:38:23.020 said

01:38:23.360 the old

01:38:24.080 national

01:38:24.620 party

01:38:25.200 the liberal

01:38:25.820 national

01:38:26.460 party

01:38:27.120 is not

01:38:28.900 really

01:38:29.240 destroyed

01:38:29.940 it's

01:38:30.400 living

01:38:30.740 on

01:38:31.720 in other

01:38:32.480 organizations

01:38:33.520 other

01:38:35.300 very

01:38:35.940 strong

01:38:36.560 organizations

01:38:39.260 which I'm

01:38:40.400 not going

01:38:40.860 to mention

01:38:41.500 at a

01:38:41.920 moment

01:38:42.320 but they

01:38:43.760 they are

01:38:44.600 still

01:38:45.020 manipulating

01:38:45.880 people's

01:38:47.560 ideas

01:38:48.100 and still

01:38:49.620 trying to

01:38:50.320 get us

01:38:50.860 not to

01:38:51.580 resist

01:38:53.040 what is

01:38:53.580 busy

01:38:53.900 happening

01:38:54.320 in South

01:38:54.880 Africa

01:38:55.380 and as

01:38:58.720 you have

01:38:59.100 pointed out

01:39:00.000 they are

01:39:00.460 very closely

01:39:01.220 connected

01:39:01.820 to the

01:39:03.360 international

01:39:04.040 money

01:39:04.500 powers

01:39:05.160 so I

01:39:06.880 can't

01:39:07.460 differ

01:39:08.900 from what

01:39:09.740 you have

01:39:10.120 said

01:39:10.460 in any

01:39:11.100 way

01:39:11.420 very

01:39:13.860 interesting

01:39:14.340 thank you

01:39:14.920 sir

01:39:15.140 so tell

01:39:16.460 me

01:39:16.800 perhaps

01:39:17.640 a follow-up

01:39:18.480 question

01:39:18.940 to that

01:39:19.400 would be

01:39:19.880 and if

01:39:21.660 you don't

01:39:22.000 want to

01:39:22.300 comment

01:39:22.660 then please

01:39:23.380 do not

01:39:23.800 but a

01:39:24.160 lot of

01:39:24.740 international

01:39:25.840 listeners

01:39:26.440 have taken

01:39:27.600 a liking

01:39:28.420 and a keen

01:39:29.280 interest

01:39:29.820 in

01:39:30.100 Orania

01:39:30.580 and it

01:39:31.480 is often

01:39:32.100 presented

01:39:32.680 the

01:39:33.060 idea

01:39:33.520 is often

01:39:33.880 presented

01:39:34.380 that

01:39:34.700 Orania

01:39:35.240 is the

01:39:36.160 model

01:39:36.480 for the

01:39:36.940 future

01:39:37.360 and this

01:39:38.260 is something

01:39:38.720 that white

01:39:39.260 people

01:39:39.800 should pursue

01:39:40.900 self-governing

01:39:42.440 towns and

01:39:43.820 communities

01:39:44.400 which is a

01:39:45.140 sentiment that

01:39:45.900 I strongly

01:39:46.620 oppose in

01:39:47.420 that I

01:39:47.860 think it

01:39:48.420 is not

01:39:49.520 our destiny

01:39:50.280 I think

01:39:51.000 reclaiming

01:39:51.680 our countries

01:39:52.300 and rekindling

01:39:54.420 a political

01:39:54.980 will is our

01:39:55.760 destiny to

01:39:56.360 rule over

01:39:56.820 to govern

01:39:57.620 over ourselves

01:39:58.440 and I

01:40:00.600 don't

01:40:00.980 I don't

01:40:01.340 necessarily

01:40:01.780 see

01:40:02.100 Orania

01:40:02.560 to be

01:40:03.560 a stepping

01:40:04.520 stone

01:40:05.020 in that

01:40:05.540 I think

01:40:06.120 that

01:40:06.380 Orania

01:40:06.800 has more

01:40:08.120 sinister

01:40:08.700 or the

01:40:09.340 idea

01:40:09.660 the people

01:40:10.160 that are

01:40:10.520 actually

01:40:10.880 behind it

01:40:11.440 as a

01:40:12.700 more sinister

01:40:13.520 political

01:40:14.500 aspirations

01:40:16.260 for white

01:40:17.120 people

01:40:17.500 if you can

01:40:18.300 call it

01:40:18.680 aspirations

01:40:19.340 the late

01:40:22.520 Orania

01:40:22.800 had held

01:40:24.040 the position

01:40:24.600 that

01:40:25.040 this land

01:40:25.820 is our

01:40:26.440 land

01:40:26.780 this country

01:40:28.820 is our

01:40:29.280 land

01:40:29.540 would you

01:40:30.740 care to

01:40:31.040 comment on

01:40:32.000 white South

01:40:33.160 Africa being

01:40:33.840 returned to

01:40:34.520 white people

01:40:35.020 do they have

01:40:35.640 the right to

01:40:36.380 yet again

01:40:36.880 rule over

01:40:37.600 white South

01:40:38.120 Africa

01:40:38.480 or do you

01:40:39.380 think that

01:40:39.860 we should

01:40:40.540 embrace

01:40:42.760 real

01:40:43.820 politic

01:40:44.320 and sort

01:40:44.960 of

01:40:45.300 be

01:40:47.540 content

01:40:48.260 with

01:40:48.820 what

01:40:49.540 seems

01:40:50.460 to be

01:40:51.120 achievable

01:40:51.960 Johannes

01:40:57.120 I know

01:40:58.700 somebody

01:40:59.360 who's very

01:41:00.340 high up

01:41:01.020 in Afri

01:41:01.600 Forum

01:41:02.060 very very

01:41:03.720 high up

01:41:04.420 and he

01:41:05.220 once told

01:41:06.060 me

01:41:06.380 not so

01:41:06.920 long ago

01:41:07.560 that if

01:41:09.020 it wasn't

01:41:09.700 for the

01:41:10.460 money

01:41:10.860 that Afri

01:41:11.780 Forum

01:41:12.180 and Solidariteit

01:41:13.620 pours

01:41:14.800 into

01:41:15.380 Orania

01:41:16.940 they wouldn't

01:41:18.140 have existed

01:41:19.020 not at

01:41:20.280 all

01:41:20.560 not even

01:41:21.120 for a

01:41:21.640 week

01:41:22.000 so they

01:41:23.480 are kept

01:41:24.040 alive

01:41:24.520 economically

01:41:25.280 by

01:41:26.500 these two

01:41:27.640 organizations

01:41:28.480 and

01:41:30.640 like

01:41:32.280 oom

01:41:32.600 oom

01:41:32.620 Jaap

01:41:32.920 Ooref

01:41:33.340 said

01:41:33.780 Orania

01:41:35.240 is a

01:41:36.040 fop

01:41:36.340 speen

01:41:36.880 it is

01:41:37.420 something

01:41:37.840 for some

01:41:38.440 people

01:41:38.840 to believe

01:41:39.560 in

01:41:39.840 but it

01:41:41.600 can never

01:41:42.400 work

01:41:42.960 for a

01:41:44.060 simple

01:41:44.400 reason

01:41:44.860 and this

01:41:45.860 is

01:41:46.200 quite

01:41:49.080 obvious

01:41:50.000 and that

01:41:50.500 is that

01:41:50.880 it doesn't

01:41:51.480 really have

01:41:52.040 an economy

01:41:52.680 there's

01:41:53.300 no big

01:41:53.980 industries

01:41:54.840 it is

01:41:56.400 still

01:41:56.700 depending

01:41:57.240 on the

01:41:57.660 electricity

01:41:58.180 of South

01:41:58.900 Africa

01:41:59.460 and so

01:42:00.080 I can

01:42:00.420 carry

01:42:00.780 on

01:42:01.160 and

01:42:01.380 on

01:42:01.660 and

01:42:01.880 on

01:42:02.200 it's

01:42:03.200 not

01:42:03.480 it's

01:42:03.900 not

01:42:04.140 even

01:42:04.520 a

01:42:04.880 it's

01:42:05.180 not

01:42:05.380 even

01:42:05.680 an

01:42:05.860 extended

01:42:06.320 farm

01:42:06.840 it's

01:42:07.140 just

01:42:07.500 it's

01:42:07.880 actually

01:42:08.300 a joke

01:42:08.960 the

01:42:09.960 only

01:42:10.320 way

01:42:10.760 how

01:42:11.180 can

01:42:11.520 how

01:42:11.960 we

01:42:12.260 can

01:42:12.460 become

01:42:12.880 strong

01:42:13.340 again

01:42:13.740 is

01:42:14.940 to

01:42:15.400 have

01:42:15.720 our

01:42:16.040 own

01:42:16.340 country

01:42:16.920 not

01:42:17.540 not

01:42:17.940 a

01:42:18.140 folk

01:42:18.460 start

01:42:18.860 or

01:42:19.140 a

01:42:19.420 or

01:42:20.160 a

01:42:20.360 small

01:42:20.920 torpy

01:42:23.980 or

01:42:24.220 something

01:42:24.660 we

01:42:25.100 must

01:42:25.380 get

01:42:25.740 South

01:42:26.540 Africa

01:42:27.060 back

01:42:27.500 look

01:42:28.820 we

01:42:29.200 we

01:42:29.640 have

01:42:30.920 all

01:42:31.680 the

01:42:31.880 moral

01:42:32.360 and

01:42:33.000 historical

01:42:33.700 and

01:42:34.580 legal

01:42:35.180 reasons

01:42:36.400 for

01:42:37.300 claiming

01:42:37.800 white

01:42:38.280 South

01:42:38.660 Africa

01:42:39.220 but

01:42:41.000 it's

01:42:41.360 actually

01:42:41.800 still

01:42:42.260 then

01:42:42.580 not

01:42:42.900 that

01:42:43.220 easy

01:42:43.660 we

01:42:45.340 need

01:42:45.680 to

01:42:45.900 have

01:42:46.220 the

01:42:46.440 power

01:42:47.020 to

01:42:47.560 take

01:42:47.880 it

01:42:48.060 back

01:42:48.440 we

01:42:50.780 could

01:42:51.100 have

01:42:51.340 prevented

01:42:51.920 this

01:42:52.300 from

01:42:52.560 happening

01:42:53.080 but

01:42:53.960 we

01:42:54.200 were

01:42:54.620 so

01:42:55.640 indoctrinated

01:42:56.540 we

01:42:56.880 didn't

01:42:57.260 see

01:42:57.580 it

01:42:57.800 coming

01:42:58.160 so

01:42:59.500 even

01:42:59.840 though

01:43:00.160 we

01:43:00.400 have

01:43:00.700 all

01:43:01.120 the

01:43:01.300 reasons

01:43:01.680 to

01:43:02.280 claim

01:43:02.620 it

01:43:02.900 we

01:43:03.860 will

01:43:04.080 eventually

01:43:04.600 have

01:43:05.140 to

01:43:05.440 take

01:43:06.080 it

01:43:06.260 back

01:43:06.560 physically

01:43:07.220 yes

01:43:09.960 by

01:43:10.260 asking

01:43:10.760 for it

01:43:11.260 in a

01:43:11.500 nice

01:43:11.820 way

01:43:12.220 to

01:43:13.060 our

01:43:13.320 benevolent

01:43:13.920 overlords

01:43:14.880 and telling

01:43:15.260 them that

01:43:15.700 we would

01:43:16.100 really like

01:43:16.780 to have

01:43:17.080 it

01:43:17.200 back

01:43:17.460 and

01:43:18.320 you

01:43:18.980 know

01:43:19.280 we'll

01:43:19.840 do

01:43:20.000 everything

01:43:20.420 that

01:43:20.680 coincides

01:43:21.280 with

01:43:21.440 international

01:43:22.040 law

01:43:22.520 and

01:43:23.120 so

01:43:23.380 on

01:43:23.820 but

01:43:24.860 in

01:43:25.020 any

01:43:25.180 way

01:43:25.320 I

01:43:25.640 I

01:43:26.420 just

01:43:26.560 want

01:43:26.680 to

01:43:26.840 say

01:43:27.080 no

01:43:27.460 no

01:43:27.600 it's

01:43:27.760 okay

01:43:27.960 Johannes

01:43:28.280 I

01:43:28.480 wasn't

01:43:28.700 sure

01:43:28.860 if

01:43:28.980 we

01:43:29.080 could

01:43:29.180 maybe

01:43:29.340 skip

01:43:29.560 to

01:43:29.720 radio

01:43:30.180 for a

01:43:30.920 bit

01:43:31.060 because

01:43:31.180 we

01:43:31.280 brought

01:43:31.460 him

01:43:31.600 up

01:43:31.820 as

01:43:32.120 a

01:43:32.260 kind

01:43:32.440 of

01:43:32.560 American

01:43:33.820 representative

01:43:34.360 in

01:43:34.600 addition

01:43:34.840 to

01:43:35.040 Frank

01:43:35.360 obviously

01:43:35.820 I

01:43:37.080 don't

01:43:37.260 know

01:43:37.340 if

01:43:37.440 you

01:43:37.500 had

01:43:37.640 anything

01:43:37.940 else

01:43:38.160 you

01:43:38.260 wanted

01:43:38.420 to

01:43:38.600 talk

01:43:38.840 to

01:43:39.220 Dr.

01:43:40.340 Tutui

01:43:40.780 about

01:43:41.200 in

01:43:41.640 that

01:43:41.820 regard

01:43:42.100 or

01:43:42.400 can

01:43:42.920 we

01:43:43.020 let

01:43:43.160 radio

01:43:43.460 go

01:43:43.660 ahead

01:43:52.520 yeah

01:43:53.740 thanks

01:43:53.940 for

01:43:54.080 having

01:43:54.260 me

01:43:54.420 up

01:43:54.660 I

01:43:55.040 think

01:43:55.220 I

01:43:55.380 have

01:43:55.500 kind

01:43:55.680 of

01:43:55.740 a

01:43:55.880 general

01:43:56.320 South

01:43:58.000 African

01:43:58.320 question

01:43:58.740 either

01:43:59.100 Johannes

01:44:01.520 or

01:44:01.840 Liliana

01:44:02.260 can

01:44:02.580 take

01:44:03.380 this

01:44:03.600 one

01:44:03.780 but

01:44:03.920 what's

01:44:04.220 preventing

01:44:04.680 South

01:44:05.620 Africans

01:44:06.080 from

01:44:06.660 trying

01:44:07.720 to

01:44:08.000 really

01:44:08.460 kind

01:44:08.880 of

01:44:08.980 reverse

01:44:09.400 stem

01:44:09.680 the

01:44:09.880 tide

01:44:10.220 of

01:44:10.440 the

01:44:10.720 dispossession

01:44:12.680 of

01:44:12.880 land

01:44:13.240 and

01:44:13.480 all

01:44:13.800 the

01:44:13.960 rights

01:44:14.360 and

01:44:15.480 maybe

01:44:15.880 apply

01:44:16.240 for

01:44:16.460 some

01:44:16.660 sort

01:44:16.880 of

01:44:16.980 minority

01:44:17.320 status

01:44:17.780 I

01:44:17.920 mean

01:44:18.020 this

01:44:18.180 is

01:44:18.300 taking

01:44:18.580 a

01:44:18.800 page

01:44:19.120 out

01:44:19.280 of

01:44:19.360 the

01:44:19.480 communist

01:44:19.980 Negro

01:44:21.220 Jewry

01:44:21.880 playbook

01:44:22.520 of

01:44:23.620 trying

01:44:24.100 to

01:44:24.300 get

01:44:24.480 some

01:44:24.720 actual

01:44:25.140 protections

01:44:25.920 because

01:44:27.380 whites

01:44:28.020 are

01:44:28.480 a

01:44:28.800 minority

01:44:29.220 in

01:44:29.900 South

01:44:30.100 Africa

01:44:30.480 so

01:44:31.300 it's

01:44:31.580 right

01:44:31.820 now

01:44:32.020 it's

01:44:32.220 the

01:44:32.340 literal

01:44:32.560 opposite

01:44:33.060 it's

01:44:33.820 it's

01:44:34.420 a

01:44:34.540 persecution

01:44:35.160 regime

01:44:35.680 but

01:44:36.480 what's

01:44:36.760 preventing

01:44:37.200 I mean

01:44:37.640 it's

01:44:38.160 not

01:44:38.480 might

01:44:40.140 not

01:44:40.320 be

01:44:40.440 the

01:44:40.620 most

01:44:41.080 optical

01:44:42.500 solution

01:44:43.100 to

01:44:43.620 come

01:44:43.840 off

01:44:44.020 as a

01:44:44.280 persecuted

01:44:44.980 minority

01:44:45.440 but

01:44:46.340 couldn't

01:44:46.720 that

01:44:46.900 be

01:44:47.100 used

01:44:47.620 and

01:44:48.220 it

01:44:48.640 would

01:44:49.000 be

01:44:49.320 a

01:44:50.060 glaring

01:44:50.380 double

01:44:50.700 standard

01:44:51.140 if you

01:44:51.600 were

01:44:51.780 to

01:44:51.960 not

01:44:52.260 get

01:44:52.540 that

01:44:52.840 does

01:44:53.620 that

01:44:53.760 make

01:44:53.900 sense

01:44:54.340 I was

01:44:55.020 sort

01:44:55.240 of

01:44:55.340 curious

01:44:55.740 on

01:44:56.100 that

01:44:56.480 as

01:44:56.700 sort

01:44:56.900 of

01:44:57.000 a

01:44:57.140 viable

01:44:57.540 strategy

01:44:58.980 to

01:44:59.500 empower

01:45:00.880 whites

01:45:01.240 in

01:45:01.380 South

01:45:01.620 Africa

01:45:02.060 is

01:45:03.000 that

01:45:03.320 something

01:45:03.660 that's

01:45:03.940 ever been

01:45:04.260 considered

01:45:04.700 or is

01:45:05.300 that just

01:45:06.060 like a

01:45:06.320 silly

01:45:06.480 question

01:45:06.900 I'm

01:45:07.360 not

01:45:07.540 sure

01:45:07.840 okay

01:45:09.300 okay

01:45:09.320 okay

01:45:09.340 so

01:45:09.640 that's

01:45:10.020 that's

01:45:10.040 a

01:45:10.120 good

01:45:10.640 question

01:45:11.080 I'd

01:45:12.020 like

01:45:12.260 Dr.

01:45:12.620 Mike

01:45:12.780 to

01:45:12.920 answer

01:45:13.200 it

01:45:13.420 but

01:45:13.880 I'm

01:45:14.200 going

01:45:14.360 to

01:45:14.460 be

01:45:14.860 for

01:45:15.740 bar

01:45:16.080 I don't

01:45:16.740 know

01:45:16.880 what

01:45:17.020 the

01:45:17.140 word

01:45:17.340 is

01:45:17.620 but

01:45:19.200 I

01:45:19.360 want

01:45:19.500 to

01:45:19.620 ask

01:45:19.800 I

01:45:20.040 really

01:45:20.440 want

01:45:20.640 to

01:45:20.760 answer

01:45:21.360 that

01:45:21.600 question

01:45:22.000 so

01:45:22.640 I

01:45:24.660 do

01:45:24.800 not

01:45:24.980 think

01:45:25.240 that

01:45:25.420 that's

01:45:25.660 the

01:45:25.780 way

01:45:26.040 liberal

01:45:27.740 organizations

01:45:28.480 like

01:45:28.780 Afri

01:45:29.060 Forum

01:45:29.340 they

01:45:30.380 want

01:45:31.520 to

01:45:32.440 reduce

01:45:33.580 us

01:45:34.040 they

01:45:34.820 want

01:45:35.160 to

01:45:35.520 have

01:45:35.900 minority

01:45:36.500 status

01:45:37.060 which

01:45:37.540 implies

01:45:38.320 multiracial

01:45:39.460 multiracialist

01:45:41.740 nation

01:45:42.420 state

01:45:42.820 or

01:45:43.040 non

01:45:43.360 racial

01:45:43.720 nation

01:45:44.640 state

01:45:45.040 so

01:45:46.540 I

01:45:46.800 do

01:45:46.900 not

01:45:47.080 think

01:45:47.360 we

01:45:47.540 should

01:45:47.780 bide

01:45:48.280 or

01:45:49.060 try

01:45:50.280 to

01:45:50.660 attain

01:45:51.260 minority

01:45:51.900 rights

01:45:52.480 I

01:45:53.180 think

01:45:53.420 we

01:45:53.560 should

01:45:53.740 focus

01:45:54.180 on

01:45:54.480 our

01:45:54.780 rights

01:45:55.160 as

01:45:55.480 a

01:45:55.620 people

01:45:55.960 and

01:45:56.660 we

01:45:56.800 should

01:45:57.000 reject

01:45:57.480 the

01:45:57.700 idea

01:45:58.040 that

01:45:58.280 we

01:45:58.440 are

01:45:58.640 a

01:45:58.780 minority

01:45:59.360 group

01:46:01.180 in

01:46:01.500 South

01:46:01.700 Africa

01:46:02.100 because

01:46:02.540 like

01:46:03.280 Jaap

01:46:03.540 Marais

01:46:03.880 said

01:46:05.540 we

01:46:06.380 are

01:46:06.760 not

01:46:07.300 a

01:46:07.620 minority

01:46:07.940 in a

01:46:08.360 group

01:46:08.640 we

01:46:09.140 are

01:46:10.560 not

01:46:10.800 a

01:46:11.020 minority

01:46:11.580 within

01:46:12.040 a

01:46:12.360 group

01:46:12.660 we

01:46:13.340 are

01:46:13.700 a

01:46:13.860 people

01:46:14.220 and

01:46:14.820 I

01:46:14.920 want

01:46:15.120 you

01:46:15.260 to

01:46:15.460 really

01:46:15.940 grasp

01:46:16.440 that

01:46:16.840 concept

01:46:17.460 we

01:46:18.120 are

01:46:18.340 not

01:46:18.620 a

01:46:18.800 minority

01:46:19.540 within

01:46:20.360 a

01:46:20.640 group

01:46:20.900 we

01:46:21.220 are

01:46:21.380 a

01:46:21.540 people

01:46:21.880 so

01:46:22.520 it

01:46:22.740 is

01:46:23.060 holy

01:46:23.620 to

01:46:24.280 be

01:46:24.480 disregarded

01:46:25.300 how

01:46:25.780 many

01:46:26.100 blacks

01:46:26.480 there

01:46:26.700 are

01:46:26.980 in

01:46:27.240 South

01:46:27.440 Africa

01:46:27.900 because

01:46:28.720 it's

01:46:29.380 about

01:46:29.780 who

01:46:30.260 has

01:46:30.580 the

01:46:30.780 rightful

01:46:31.220 claim

01:46:31.580 to

01:46:31.740 this

01:46:31.960 country

01:46:32.380 and

01:46:32.900 that

01:46:33.100 is

01:46:33.280 us

01:46:33.620 and

01:46:34.200 therefore

01:46:34.660 whether

01:46:35.300 whether

01:46:35.320 they

01:46:35.600 be

01:46:35.840 50

01:46:36.360 million

01:46:36.760 or

01:46:37.040 500

01:46:37.680 million

01:46:38.140 it

01:46:38.440 is

01:46:38.680 totally

01:46:39.880 irrelevant

01:46:40.460 because

01:46:41.260 it

01:46:41.460 is

01:46:41.620 not

01:46:41.900 their

01:46:42.160 country

01:46:42.580 they

01:46:43.160 are

01:46:43.380 an

01:46:43.560 invading

01:46:44.100 force

01:46:44.640 and

01:46:45.340 when

01:46:45.720 we

01:46:46.020 say

01:46:46.420 when

01:46:47.400 we

01:46:47.640 say

01:46:48.000 that

01:46:48.240 we

01:46:48.460 want

01:46:48.740 minority

01:46:49.300 states

01:46:49.900 that

01:46:50.680 means

01:46:51.020 that

01:46:51.260 we

01:46:51.400 are

01:46:51.580 appealing

01:46:52.100 to

01:46:52.540 the

01:46:52.780 powers

01:46:53.260 that

01:46:53.560 be

01:46:53.900 and

01:46:54.600 I

01:46:54.760 do

01:46:54.920 not

01:46:55.120 believe

01:46:55.480 that

01:46:55.720 that

01:46:55.920 is

01:46:56.080 within

01:46:56.360 our

01:46:56.600 destiny

01:46:57.080 I

01:46:57.880 believe

01:46:58.360 that

01:46:58.920 if

01:46:59.220 we

01:46:59.400 make

01:46:59.680 any

01:46:59.980 appeals

01:47:00.520 it

01:47:01.060 should

01:47:01.300 be

01:47:01.580 to

01:47:01.800 our

01:47:02.140 people

01:47:02.700 and

01:47:03.320 to

01:47:03.500 our

01:47:03.800 creator

01:47:04.420 and

01:47:05.300 then

01:47:05.660 we

01:47:05.900 should

01:47:06.100 act

01:47:06.440 on

01:47:06.780 the

01:47:07.680 will

01:47:08.120 the

01:47:08.380 destiny

01:47:08.900 of

01:47:09.200 our

01:47:09.400 people

01:47:09.800 you

01:47:10.280 see

01:47:10.480 so

01:47:11.180 that

01:47:11.520 is

01:47:11.700 how

01:47:11.880 I

01:47:12.240 in

01:47:12.580 my

01:47:12.740 personal

01:47:13.160 capacity

01:47:13.820 would

01:47:14.520 approach

01:47:14.900 that

01:47:15.180 and

01:47:15.400 would

01:47:15.580 answer

01:47:15.920 that

01:47:16.180 I

01:47:16.360 don't

01:47:16.480 know

01:47:16.680 I

01:47:17.340 would

01:47:17.440 like

01:47:17.660 to

01:47:17.800 hear

01:47:17.940 what

01:47:18.080 Dr.

01:47:18.420 Mike's

01:47:18.880 answer

01:47:19.320 is

01:47:19.980 Johannes

01:47:23.240 I

01:47:23.740 agree

01:47:24.160 100%

01:47:25.320 with

01:47:25.560 you

01:47:28.360 there

01:47:31.700 you

01:47:31.820 go

01:47:31.980 that

01:47:32.140 was

01:47:32.260 short

01:47:32.460 and

01:47:32.620 sweet

01:47:32.840 answer

01:47:33.660 is

01:47:34.680 that

01:47:34.840 it

01:47:35.020 it

01:47:35.580 was

01:47:35.980 a

01:47:36.080 pretty

01:47:36.260 based

01:47:36.640 answer

01:47:37.020 I

01:47:37.160 mean

01:47:37.280 you

01:47:37.560 know

01:47:37.680 that

01:47:37.840 was

01:47:38.100 that's

01:47:38.420 sort

01:47:38.580 of

01:47:38.680 what

01:47:38.800 I

01:47:38.940 was

01:47:39.120 hoping

01:47:39.500 to

01:47:40.160 hear

01:47:40.440 I

01:47:40.860 was

01:47:41.320 that's

01:47:42.140 that's

01:47:42.540 why

01:47:42.900 I

01:47:43.520 think

01:47:43.720 you

01:47:43.880 garner

01:47:44.140 the

01:47:44.380 amount

01:47:44.660 of

01:47:44.820 respect

01:47:45.340 internationally

01:47:46.880 that

01:47:47.220 you

01:47:47.420 do

01:47:47.780 is

01:47:48.560 because

01:47:48.940 that's

01:47:49.420 a

01:47:49.640 it's

01:47:50.220 a

01:47:50.300 very

01:47:50.520 white

01:47:51.020 it's

01:47:52.080 a

01:47:52.180 very

01:47:52.420 Aryan

01:47:53.020 worldview

01:47:54.900 and

01:47:55.220 position

01:47:55.620 so

01:47:56.120 I

01:47:56.300 just

01:47:56.460 wanted

01:47:56.660 to pose

01:47:57.160 the

01:47:58.360 not as

01:47:58.640 if I

01:47:58.920 was

01:47:59.080 advocating

01:47:59.600 for

01:48:00.000 it

01:48:00.160 was

01:48:00.400 more

01:48:00.620 of

01:48:00.760 just

01:48:00.940 a

01:48:01.080 curiosity

01:48:01.600 and

01:48:01.820 that's

01:48:02.040 a

01:48:02.180 perfectly

01:48:02.920 acceptable

01:48:04.080 and a

01:48:04.420 very

01:48:04.580 white

01:48:04.860 answer

01:48:05.180 so

01:48:05.480 good

01:48:06.240 on

01:48:06.400 you

01:48:06.620 yeah

01:48:10.320 thanks

01:48:10.600 doctor

01:48:10.860 thank you

01:48:11.200 so

01:48:11.560 yes

01:48:13.240 thank you

01:48:14.380 very much

01:48:14.760 so

01:48:15.040 I see

01:48:15.640 we've

01:48:15.860 got

01:48:16.160 external

01:48:17.020 and

01:48:17.420 skull

01:48:17.740 mask

01:48:18.000 I'm

01:48:18.240 going

01:48:18.320 to

01:48:18.400 ask

01:48:18.700 skull

01:48:19.100 mask

01:48:19.400 to

01:48:19.560 go

01:48:19.700 next

01:48:20.040 because

01:48:20.700 he

01:48:21.300 is

01:48:22.060 new

01:48:22.360 and

01:48:23.740 then

01:48:23.920 we're

01:48:24.040 going

01:48:24.120 to

01:48:24.200 move

01:48:24.520 to

01:48:24.680 external

01:48:25.140 again

01:48:25.820 so

01:48:26.380 skull

01:48:26.680 mask

01:48:27.020 mask

01:48:27.820 ask

01:48:28.820 your

01:48:28.940 question

01:48:29.340 thank

01:48:30.580 you

01:48:30.660 brother

01:48:30.840 thank

01:48:31.580 you

01:48:31.720 base

01:48:31.940 maiden

01:48:32.640 poste

01:48:33.300 doctor

01:48:34.220 and

01:48:34.640 johannes

01:48:35.080 for

01:48:35.460 hosting

01:48:35.840 the

01:48:36.000 space

01:48:36.320 I have

01:48:37.520 a pretty

01:48:37.860 direct

01:48:38.300 question

01:48:38.900 about

01:48:39.560 the

01:48:40.240 political

01:48:41.780 goals

01:48:42.980 of

01:48:43.300 apartheid

01:48:44.000 in

01:48:44.620 the

01:48:45.040 earlier

01:48:46.160 days

01:48:46.800 of

01:48:46.940 its

01:48:47.080 conception

01:48:47.620 if

01:48:48.440 apartheid

01:48:49.200 was

01:48:49.500 conceived

01:48:50.120 of

01:48:50.520 as

01:48:50.940 a

01:48:51.220 permanent

01:48:51.760 situation

01:48:52.740 or

01:48:53.440 if

01:48:53.680 it

01:48:53.820 was

01:48:54.000 conceived

01:48:54.500 of

01:48:54.820 as

01:48:55.040 a

01:48:55.220 temporary

01:48:55.620 measure

01:48:56.260 that

01:48:56.980 had

01:48:57.440 would

01:48:57.860 result

01:48:58.380 in

01:48:58.740 a

01:48:59.080 more

01:49:00.100 eventually

01:49:01.540 down

01:49:01.880 the

01:49:02.060 road

01:49:02.300 would

01:49:02.480 result

01:49:02.960 in

01:49:03.280 a

01:49:03.520 more

01:49:03.900 dominant

01:49:04.740 white

01:49:05.200 population

01:49:05.900 in

01:49:06.660 South

01:49:07.080 Africa

01:49:07.480 and

01:49:08.160 it's

01:49:09.040 pretty

01:49:09.220 straightforward

01:49:09.620 so I

01:49:09.920 will

01:49:10.040 leave

01:49:10.160 it

01:49:10.260 there

01:49:10.440 and

01:49:10.620 thank

01:49:10.860 you

01:49:10.980 again

01:49:11.200 for

01:49:11.380 hosting

01:49:11.720 and

01:49:12.100 I

01:49:12.200 appreciate

01:49:12.480 your

01:49:12.740 time

01:49:12.960 doctor

01:49:13.280 and

01:49:13.760 you

01:49:13.900 as

01:49:14.040 well

01:49:14.180 Johannes

01:49:14.520 Europe

01:49:23.320 started

01:49:24.100 moving

01:49:25.960 out of

01:49:26.620 or rather

01:49:27.660 I should

01:49:28.100 say

01:49:28.360 the

01:49:28.560 Europeans

01:49:29.020 started

01:49:29.520 moving

01:49:29.920 out of

01:49:30.340 Europe

01:49:30.620 in

01:49:30.860 the

01:49:31.020 1500s

01:49:32.020 and

01:49:33.120 what

01:49:33.360 is

01:49:33.620 interesting

01:49:34.520 is

01:49:36.060 that

01:49:36.340 everywhere

01:49:37.640 the

01:49:38.160 Romanic

01:49:38.940 element

01:49:39.580 arrived

01:49:40.720 in

01:49:40.960 the

01:49:41.120 new

01:49:41.380 world

01:49:41.880 that

01:49:43.160 is

01:49:43.460 the

01:49:43.640 Italians

01:49:44.280 the

01:49:44.620 Spanish

01:49:45.120 and

01:49:45.340 the

01:49:45.500 Portuguese

01:49:46.000 they

01:49:47.760 mixed

01:49:50.140 with

01:49:50.420 the

01:49:50.640 local

01:49:50.940 populations

01:49:51.720 of

01:49:52.200 the

01:49:52.380 new

01:49:52.620 world

01:49:53.100 and

01:49:54.900 the

01:49:55.160 Germanic

01:49:56.180 peoples

01:49:56.820 that

01:49:57.600 is

01:49:57.940 the

01:49:58.180 Dutch

01:49:58.620 the

01:49:59.080 Germans

01:49:59.580 and

01:50:00.260 the

01:50:00.440 Indish

01:50:00.960 never

01:50:02.060 mixed

01:50:02.660 with

01:50:03.100 the

01:50:03.320 local

01:50:03.740 populations

01:50:05.400 so

01:50:06.660 apartheid

01:50:07.600 is

01:50:08.060 something

01:50:08.640 that

01:50:09.060 came

01:50:09.420 with

01:50:09.640 the

01:50:09.840 Germanic

01:50:10.440 peoples

01:50:11.080 since

01:50:12.480 the

01:50:12.740 1500s

01:50:13.920 in

01:50:15.460 South

01:50:15.780 Africa

01:50:16.400 when

01:50:17.620 Jan

01:50:17.860 van

01:50:18.080 Riebeek

01:50:18.740 arrived

01:50:21.000 at

01:50:21.220 a

01:50:21.400 cape

01:50:21.740 he

01:50:22.900 planted

01:50:24.140 a lot

01:50:24.760 of

01:50:25.000 trees

01:50:25.480 on

01:50:26.720 this

01:50:27.020 side

01:50:27.320 of

01:50:27.500 the

01:50:27.700 trees

01:50:28.120 which

01:50:28.780 should

01:50:29.760 live

01:50:30.080 and

01:50:30.920 on

01:50:31.140 the

01:50:31.260 other

01:50:31.480 side

01:50:31.820 of

01:50:31.960 the

01:50:32.160 trees

01:50:32.600 the

01:50:33.700 so

01:50:33.960 called

01:50:34.280 Bushman

01:50:34.980 and

01:50:35.420 Koi Koi

01:50:36.100 could

01:50:36.920 live

01:50:37.280 so

01:50:38.280 racial

01:50:40.040 segregation

01:50:40.680 started

01:50:41.700 in

01:50:42.000 1652

01:50:43.100 and

01:50:44.240 not

01:50:44.480 only

01:50:44.820 by

01:50:45.060 the

01:50:45.300 Dutch

01:50:45.660 but

01:50:46.580 also

01:50:46.960 by

01:50:47.240 the

01:50:47.480 British

01:50:48.000 when

01:50:48.800 the

01:50:49.000 British

01:50:49.480 took

01:50:49.900 over

01:50:50.260 Natal

01:50:50.720 as a

01:50:51.160 colony

01:50:51.540 in

01:50:52.340 the

01:50:52.460 1840s

01:50:53.580 they

01:50:54.580 started

01:50:55.040 introducing

01:50:56.020 all

01:50:56.500 sorts

01:50:56.940 of

01:50:57.180 racial

01:50:57.580 segregation

01:50:58.180 laws

01:50:59.120 and

01:51:00.680 when

01:51:01.820 the

01:51:02.040 two

01:51:02.260 Boer

01:51:02.620 Republics

01:51:03.920 was

01:51:04.540 founded

01:51:05.040 in

01:51:05.560 1852

01:51:06.520 and

01:51:06.780 1854

01:51:07.820 in

01:51:08.820 their

01:51:09.060 constitution

01:51:10.000 constitutions

01:51:11.860 they are

01:51:12.800 stating

01:51:13.260 that there

01:51:13.900 is no

01:51:14.320 equality

01:51:14.940 between

01:51:15.660 the

01:51:16.600 white

01:51:17.020 Boers

01:51:17.740 and the

01:51:18.500 native

01:51:18.800 populations

01:51:19.640 so

01:51:21.080 apartheid

01:51:22.640 or separate

01:51:23.540 development

01:51:24.320 or racial

01:51:25.200 segregation

01:51:26.060 is

01:51:27.800 something

01:51:28.240 that

01:51:28.640 Europeans

01:51:29.300 practiced

01:51:30.040 from

01:51:31.440 their

01:51:31.760 first

01:51:32.360 encounter

01:51:33.100 with

01:51:33.840 natives

01:51:34.340 in

01:51:34.600 the

01:51:34.740 new

01:51:34.960 world

01:51:35.380 it

01:51:36.340 was

01:51:36.720 everywhere

01:51:37.620 it

01:51:37.960 was

01:51:38.180 in

01:51:38.340 the

01:51:38.500 United

01:51:38.900 States

01:51:39.440 it

01:51:39.640 was

01:51:39.880 in

01:51:40.080 South

01:51:40.360 Africa

01:51:40.880 everywhere

01:51:42.220 sometimes

01:51:43.520 it

01:51:44.060 was

01:51:44.380 not

01:51:44.580 always

01:51:45.120 legally

01:51:46.000 framed

01:51:47.820 but

01:51:48.660 it

01:51:49.420 was

01:51:49.740 always

01:51:50.360 implemented

01:51:51.120 so

01:51:52.700 we

01:51:53.480 as

01:51:53.720 white

01:51:54.060 people

01:51:54.420 in

01:51:54.660 South

01:51:54.940 Africa

01:51:55.440 have

01:51:55.840 nothing

01:51:56.320 to be

01:51:56.860 to feel

01:51:57.460 ashamed

01:51:57.940 about

01:51:58.440 that's

01:51:59.600 how we

01:52:00.000 maintained

01:52:00.580 our

01:52:00.880 racial

01:52:01.260 identity

01:52:01.900 and

01:52:03.200 that's

01:52:03.880 how

01:52:04.080 we

01:52:04.500 maintain

01:52:05.020 political

01:52:05.600 power

01:52:06.120 over

01:52:06.480 South

01:52:06.800 Africa

01:52:07.340 thank you

01:52:19.400 very much

01:52:20.000 okay

01:52:20.440 external

01:52:21.380 extrapolations

01:52:22.700 thanks

01:52:25.080 thanks

01:52:25.100 thanks

01:52:25.120 again

01:52:25.320 johannes

01:52:25.700 well

01:52:26.760 look

01:52:26.900 i suppose

01:52:27.280 what

01:52:27.980 i'll

01:52:28.120 say

01:52:28.340 then

01:52:28.520 is

01:52:28.940 sort

01:52:29.740 of

01:52:29.960 like

01:52:30.440 in

01:52:30.680 answer

01:52:30.960 to

01:52:31.380 the

01:52:31.840 question

01:52:32.300 of

01:52:32.440 apartheid

01:52:33.040 or

01:52:34.020 separate

01:52:34.380 development

01:52:34.980 apartness

01:52:35.860 and

01:52:37.080 and also

01:52:37.420 really

01:52:38.260 getting

01:52:38.480 back

01:52:38.660 to

01:52:38.800 answering

01:52:39.120 in

01:52:40.220 my

01:52:40.380 own

01:52:40.560 way

01:52:40.760 then

01:52:40.960 or

01:52:41.120 putting

01:52:41.560 a bit

01:52:41.760 more

01:52:42.000 on

01:52:42.140 the

01:52:42.240 answer

01:52:42.480 i think

01:52:42.840 of

01:52:43.640 radio

01:52:43.880 waste

01:52:44.180 wars

01:52:44.440 question

01:52:45.520 regarding

01:52:45.980 like

01:52:46.260 i was

01:52:47.800 laughing

01:52:48.300 because

01:52:48.580 i was

01:52:49.540 about to

01:52:49.820 laugh

01:52:50.000 there

01:52:50.120 my

01:52:50.260 voice

01:52:50.500 like

01:52:50.700 why

01:52:51.520 don't

01:52:52.340 what

01:52:52.620 stopping

01:52:52.900 whites

01:52:53.140 first of

01:52:53.740 all

01:52:53.820 maybe

01:52:54.020 fighting

01:52:54.380 back

01:52:54.740 in

01:52:54.980 whatever

01:52:55.300 way

01:52:55.580 you

01:52:55.740 know

01:52:55.880 to

01:52:56.940 regain

01:52:57.260 their

01:52:57.480 territory

01:52:58.100 or

01:52:58.880 why

01:52:59.280 do

01:52:59.300 they

01:52:59.960 just

01:53:00.180 accept

01:53:00.700 their

01:53:00.920 fate

01:53:01.080 but

01:53:01.220 apply

01:53:01.440 for

01:53:01.600 minority

01:53:01.980 status

01:53:02.440 and

01:53:02.640 then

01:53:02.800 they'll

01:53:02.960 get

01:53:03.140 freebies

01:53:03.820 coming

01:53:04.060 to

01:53:04.160 them

01:53:04.280 and

01:53:04.440 i think

01:53:04.680 you

01:53:05.240 know

01:53:05.340 this

01:53:05.880 is

01:53:06.040 where

01:53:06.180 it

01:53:06.380 is

01:53:06.540 instructive

01:53:07.040 like

01:53:07.220 i mean

01:53:07.400 i

01:53:07.780 presume

01:53:08.240 radio

01:53:08.540 is

01:53:08.760 just

01:53:09.180 taking

01:53:09.460 one

01:53:09.620 for

01:53:09.740 the

01:53:09.820 team

01:53:09.980 and

01:53:10.120 asking

01:53:10.480 these

01:53:10.760 basic

01:53:11.040 questions

01:53:11.420 so

01:53:11.980 that

01:53:12.180 everybody

01:53:12.460 listening

01:53:12.880 like

01:53:13.160 can

01:53:13.400 be

01:53:13.600 clearer

01:53:13.960 on

01:53:14.280 this

01:53:14.460 and

01:53:14.680 look

01:53:14.860 i'll

01:53:15.100 tell

01:53:15.240 you

01:53:15.360 like

01:53:15.640 i'm

01:53:16.300 the

01:53:16.480 first

01:53:16.660 to

01:53:16.760 admit

01:53:16.920 i was

01:53:17.300 naive

01:53:17.660 a

01:53:17.820 naive

01:53:18.120 little

01:53:18.340 boy

01:53:18.560 for

01:53:18.720 so

01:53:18.980 long

01:53:19.220 of

01:53:19.320 my

01:53:19.460 life

01:53:19.660 thinking

01:53:19.980 that

01:53:21.340 everybody

01:53:21.740 else

01:53:22.000 was

01:53:22.180 like

01:53:22.340 myself

01:53:22.600 that

01:53:22.800 is

01:53:22.960 the

01:53:23.100 true

01:53:23.260 racism

01:53:23.640 by

01:53:23.860 the

01:53:23.920 way

01:53:24.040 to

01:53:24.160 assume

01:53:24.500 that

01:53:24.720 the

01:53:24.880 way

01:53:25.040 that

01:53:25.180 my

01:53:25.340 mind

01:53:25.580 works

01:53:25.920 and

01:53:26.040 the

01:53:26.120 way

01:53:26.220 that

01:53:26.340 I

01:53:26.420 perceive

01:53:26.740 things

01:53:27.080 must

01:53:27.360 be

01:53:27.640 a

01:53:28.180 mental

01:53:28.400 space

01:53:28.780 that

01:53:28.920 is

01:53:29.040 shared

01:53:29.240 by

01:53:29.420 more

01:53:30.120 or

01:53:30.220 on

01:53:42.460 to

01:53:42.680 first

01:53:43.000 of

01:53:43.120 all

01:53:43.220 why

01:53:43.400 don't

01:53:43.620 they

01:53:43.800 just

01:53:43.980 apply

01:53:44.220 for

01:53:44.360 minority

01:53:44.800 status

01:53:45.320 because

01:53:45.720 it

01:53:46.800 is

01:53:46.900 only

01:53:47.100 white

01:53:47.400 people

01:53:47.660 who

01:53:47.920 that

01:53:48.280 appeal

01:53:48.840 to

01:53:49.180 why

01:53:49.440 don't

01:53:49.600 you

01:53:49.720 look

01:53:49.880 after

01:53:50.280 these

01:53:50.700 small

01:53:51.300 downtrodden

01:53:52.660 or less

01:53:53.880 numerous

01:53:54.460 among us

01:53:55.140 right

01:53:55.340 any

01:53:55.760 other race

01:53:56.160 simply

01:53:56.440 would not

01:53:56.860 allow

01:53:57.280 any

01:53:57.840 foreigner

01:53:58.200 to live

01:53:58.520 among

01:53:58.720 them

01:53:59.100 whether

01:53:59.380 you

01:53:59.980 know

01:54:00.140 numerous

01:54:00.640 or

01:54:01.100 in

01:54:01.500 some

01:54:01.680 kind

01:54:01.840 of

01:54:01.940 minority

01:54:02.400 numbers

01:54:02.920 they

01:54:03.380 just

01:54:03.520 wouldn't

01:54:03.760 allow

01:54:03.980 it

01:54:04.120 and

01:54:04.220 they

01:54:04.380 certainly

01:54:04.760 wouldn't

01:54:05.060 say

01:54:05.300 oh

01:54:05.820 well

01:54:06.020 we

01:54:06.180 must

01:54:06.440 make

01:54:07.240 sure

01:54:07.400 these

01:54:07.620 people

01:54:07.840 eat

01:54:08.260 first

01:54:08.660 you

01:54:09.080 know

01:54:09.200 and

01:54:09.640 especially

01:54:10.280 if

01:54:10.500 these

01:54:10.640 people

01:54:10.840 want

01:54:11.060 to

01:54:11.180 not

01:54:11.660 work

01:54:11.940 but

01:54:12.120 have

01:54:12.300 children

01:54:12.640 well

01:54:12.860 we

01:54:13.060 should

01:54:13.260 supplement

01:54:13.660 their

01:54:14.580 income

01:54:14.840 and

01:54:15.100 maybe

01:54:15.440 even

01:54:15.660 provide

01:54:15.980 all

01:54:16.180 of

01:54:16.260 their

01:54:16.360 income

01:54:16.540 for

01:54:16.820 them

01:54:16.960 those

01:54:17.620 kind

01:54:17.820 of

01:54:17.900 appeals

01:54:18.280 to

01:54:18.620 minority

01:54:19.420 as

01:54:20.020 people

01:54:20.280 will

01:54:20.520 learn

01:54:20.820 if

01:54:20.980 they

01:54:21.100 don't

01:54:21.380 understand

01:54:22.040 why

01:54:22.440 South

01:54:22.660 Africa

01:54:22.920 is

01:54:23.280 the

01:54:23.420 warning

01:54:23.700 to

01:54:24.020 America

01:54:24.400 and

01:54:24.600 look

01:54:24.780 and

01:54:25.520 Europe

01:54:26.040 and

01:54:26.240 UK

01:54:26.420 and

01:54:26.620 everywhere

01:54:26.800 else

01:54:27.060 really

01:54:28.100 I

01:54:28.680 often

01:54:28.980 say

01:54:29.260 that

01:54:29.440 I

01:54:29.860 prefer

01:54:30.300 the

01:54:30.780 situation

01:54:31.220 in

01:54:31.400 South

01:54:31.520 Africa

01:54:31.680 because

01:54:31.940 you

01:54:32.020 don't

01:54:32.120 have

01:54:32.280 to

01:54:32.420 spend

01:54:33.380 too

01:54:33.760 long

01:54:34.260 to

01:54:34.840 explain

01:54:35.920 to

01:54:36.260 people

01:54:36.480 what

01:54:37.760 the

01:54:39.040 realities

01:54:39.500 of

01:54:39.880 life

01:54:40.200 are

01:54:40.600 and

01:54:41.000 the

01:54:41.260 difference

01:54:41.600 between

01:54:41.900 races

01:54:42.200 are

01:54:42.400 even

01:54:43.040 somebody

01:54:43.340 who

01:54:43.460 identifies

01:54:43.860 as

01:54:44.200 a

01:54:44.420 liberal

01:54:44.700 or

01:54:45.160 as

01:54:45.900 a

01:54:46.260 sort

01:54:46.800 of

01:54:46.920 a

01:54:47.040 Democrat

01:54:47.380 type

01:54:47.920 of

01:54:48.100 person

01:54:48.600 in

01:54:49.320 South

01:54:49.600 Africa

01:54:49.880 or

01:54:50.100 a

01:54:50.260 left

01:54:50.500 leaning

01:54:50.760 type

01:54:51.020 of

01:54:51.140 person

01:54:51.400 in

01:54:51.520 that

01:54:51.660 way

01:54:51.900 they're

01:54:52.600 still

01:54:52.840 racist

01:54:53.200 enough

01:54:53.520 to

01:54:53.700 understand

01:54:54.260 that

01:54:54.780 black

01:54:55.240 people

01:54:55.440 present

01:54:55.840 danger

01:54:56.300 to

01:54:56.500 them

01:54:56.620 and

01:54:56.700 there's

01:54:56.820 no

01:54:57.000 point

01:54:57.300 in

01:54:57.420 appealing

01:54:57.800 to

01:54:58.120 their

01:54:59.120 sympathies

01:54:59.860 for

01:55:00.240 them

01:55:00.520 now

01:55:00.700 that

01:55:00.800 they're

01:55:00.920 outnumbered

01:55:01.500 so

01:55:01.980 that

01:55:02.180 just

01:55:02.380 simply

01:55:02.940 doesn't

01:55:03.640 work

01:55:03.900 and

01:55:04.280 it

01:55:04.780 will

01:55:04.920 never

01:55:05.080 work

01:55:05.400 and

01:55:05.840 if

01:55:06.300 there

01:55:06.540 are

01:55:06.740 any

01:55:06.900 naive

01:55:07.220 people

01:55:07.620 in

01:55:08.020 America

01:55:08.380 or

01:55:08.760 in

01:55:08.900 Europe

01:55:09.080 still

01:55:09.480 who

01:55:09.680 think

01:55:10.040 that

01:55:10.260 things

01:55:10.680 are

01:55:10.820 going

01:55:10.920 to

01:55:10.940 be

01:55:11.080 fine

01:55:11.500 when

01:55:11.740 we're

01:55:11.900 outbred

01:55:12.340 in

01:55:12.480 our

01:55:12.620 own

01:55:12.780 countries

01:55:13.080 because

01:55:13.320 then

01:55:13.660 suddenly

01:55:14.160 laws

01:55:15.720 for

01:55:15.900 the

01:55:16.000 minorities

01:55:16.340 will

01:55:16.520 apply

01:55:16.700 to

01:55:16.860 us

01:55:17.080 already

01:55:17.860 they're

01:55:18.080 telling

01:55:18.280 us

01:55:18.480 oh

01:55:18.720 no

01:55:18.960 doesn't

01:55:19.920 work

01:55:20.120 when

01:55:20.240 it's

01:55:20.400 white

01:55:20.560 people

01:55:20.800 because

01:55:21.100 just

01:55:21.520 the

01:55:21.680 same

01:55:21.840 as

01:55:21.980 other

01:55:23.640 races

01:55:24.040 they say

01:55:24.320 you can't

01:55:24.520 be

01:55:24.600 racist

01:55:24.860 whatever

01:55:25.520 rules

01:55:26.180 that

01:55:26.420 apply

01:55:26.700 they

01:55:27.020 don't

01:55:27.460 get

01:55:27.620 embarrassed

01:55:28.060 about

01:55:28.380 an

01:55:29.380 unequal

01:55:30.100 application

01:55:30.720 of the

01:55:31.040 law

01:55:31.260 or being

01:55:31.660 seen

01:55:31.940 as a

01:55:32.160 hypocrite

01:55:32.480 those

01:55:32.840 things

01:55:33.040 mean

01:55:33.240 nothing

01:55:33.640 to

01:55:33.880 them

01:55:34.140 and

01:55:34.720 it's

01:55:35.360 only

01:55:35.560 us

01:55:35.920 who

01:55:36.140 tie

01:55:36.680 ourselves

01:55:37.060 up

01:55:37.280 in

01:55:37.440 moral

01:55:37.800 quandaries

01:55:38.320 tie

01:55:38.540 ourselves

01:55:38.820 up

01:55:39.020 in

01:55:39.160 ethical

01:55:40.200 nots

01:55:40.660 over

01:55:40.840 would

01:55:41.020 it

01:55:41.100 be

01:55:41.220 fair

01:55:41.700 would

01:55:41.880 it

01:55:41.960 be

01:55:42.060 right

01:55:42.320 would

01:55:42.480 be

01:55:42.640 even

01:55:42.900 handed

01:55:43.140 nobody

01:55:43.820 else

01:55:44.100 in

01:55:44.220 the

01:55:44.340 world

01:55:44.720 only

01:55:45.780 us

01:55:46.100 dumb

01:55:46.540 whites

01:55:47.040 ever

01:55:47.660 thinks

01:55:48.100 that

01:55:48.380 they

01:55:48.760 need

01:55:48.960 to

01:55:49.080 treat

01:55:49.280 other

01:55:49.620 people

01:55:50.000 in

01:55:50.440 the

01:55:50.580 same

01:55:50.800 way

01:55:50.980 as

01:55:51.060 they

01:55:51.140 treat

01:55:51.360 themselves

01:55:51.700 let

01:55:52.340 alone

01:55:52.840 the

01:55:53.680 people

01:55:53.880 who

01:55:54.020 have

01:55:54.160 been

01:55:54.300 mentioned

01:55:54.560 a few

01:55:54.820 times

01:55:55.120 here

01:55:55.260 before

01:55:55.520 and

01:55:55.900 all

01:55:56.220 of

01:55:56.340 their

01:55:56.480 appeals

01:55:57.000 that

01:55:57.660 we

01:55:57.780 should

01:55:57.920 all

01:55:58.140 just

01:55:58.340 live

01:55:58.620 in

01:55:58.760 peace

01:55:59.160 and

01:55:59.480 we

01:55:59.620 should

01:55:59.740 all

01:55:59.880 just

01:56:00.020 treat

01:56:00.260 you

01:56:00.380 the

01:56:00.540 same

01:56:00.820 all

01:56:01.220 these

01:56:01.500 appeals

01:56:01.940 to

01:56:02.140 some

01:56:02.320 meritocracy

01:56:03.700 they're

01:56:04.620 laughing

01:56:05.220 if we

01:56:05.520 believe

01:56:05.740 it

01:56:05.840 and

01:56:05.920 they

01:56:06.040 think

01:56:06.560 to

01:56:06.680 themselves

01:56:06.940 more

01:56:07.340 fool

01:56:07.820 the

01:56:08.020 white

01:56:08.220 people

01:56:08.460 if they

01:56:08.720 believe

01:56:09.040 that

01:56:09.200 we're

01:56:09.380 sincere

01:56:09.740 all

01:56:10.520 of

01:56:10.680 these

01:56:10.900 appeals

01:56:11.320 to

01:56:11.600 some

01:56:11.840 kind

01:56:12.260 of

01:56:12.780 utopian

01:56:14.200 society

01:56:14.860 and utopian

01:56:15.340 ideals

01:56:15.860 are

01:56:16.300 just

01:56:16.520 so

01:56:16.720 that

01:56:16.880 we

01:56:17.060 destroy

01:56:17.440 ourselves

01:56:17.960 so

01:56:18.160 they

01:56:18.280 don't

01:56:18.640 have

01:56:18.820 to

01:56:18.920 expend

01:56:19.300 any

01:56:19.600 effort

01:56:19.920 in

01:56:20.220 doing

01:56:20.400 so

01:56:20.620 certainly

01:56:20.880 not

01:56:21.060 physical

01:56:21.400 now

01:56:22.040 what's

01:56:22.320 the

01:56:22.520 physical

01:56:23.000 or

01:56:23.400 kinetic

01:56:23.780 type

01:56:24.040 stuff

01:56:24.280 I

01:56:24.860 remember

01:56:25.160 somebody

01:56:25.640 who

01:56:26.120 had

01:56:26.260 fought

01:56:26.560 in

01:56:26.880 the

01:56:27.300 Bush

01:56:27.520 war

01:56:27.800 maybe

01:56:28.000 fought

01:56:28.360 in

01:56:28.500 Angola

01:56:29.000 telling

01:56:30.140 me

01:56:30.380 that

01:56:30.560 he

01:56:30.700 heard

01:56:30.920 over

01:56:31.140 the

01:56:31.300 radio

01:56:31.680 and

01:56:32.820 it

01:56:32.940 might

01:56:33.080 have

01:56:33.160 been

01:56:33.280 an

01:56:33.400 American

01:56:33.820 report

01:56:36.240 from

01:56:36.760 America

01:56:37.160 talking

01:56:38.160 about

01:56:38.400 the

01:56:38.600 wars

01:56:39.240 fighting

01:56:39.640 the

01:56:39.820 communists

01:56:40.300 up

01:56:40.580 in

01:56:40.740 Angola

01:56:41.160 and

01:56:41.280 different

01:56:41.440 places

01:56:41.900 in

01:56:42.860 southern

01:56:44.540 of

01:56:45.340 Africa

01:56:45.660 not

01:56:45.960 South

01:56:46.160 Africa

01:56:46.320 but

01:56:46.500 above

01:56:46.840 the

01:56:47.320 country

01:56:47.540 of

01:56:47.660 South

01:56:47.780 Africa

01:56:47.920 that

01:56:48.800 all

01:56:49.220 of

01:56:49.380 South

01:56:49.540 African

01:56:49.760 troops

01:56:50.120 had

01:56:50.660 been

01:56:50.880 removed

01:56:51.460 had

01:56:52.120 withdrawn

01:56:52.560 and

01:56:52.820 they

01:56:52.900 were

01:56:53.000 back

01:56:53.480 within

01:56:53.800 their

01:56:54.000 own

01:56:54.160 territory

01:56:54.420 of

01:56:54.600 Africa

01:56:54.920 and

01:56:55.460 these

01:56:55.680 guys

01:56:55.960 were

01:56:56.220 sitting

01:56:57.820 there

01:56:58.500 exposition

01:56:58.980 knowing

01:56:59.460 the

01:56:59.660 enemy

01:56:59.900 were

01:57:00.080 about

01:57:00.260 100

01:57:00.480 feet

01:57:00.740 from

01:57:00.980 them

01:57:01.140 and

01:57:01.340 they

01:57:01.660 were

01:57:01.800 in

01:57:02.240 the

01:57:02.360 long

01:57:02.520 grass

01:57:02.760 going

01:57:02.960 oh

01:57:03.360 well

01:57:03.640 I guess

01:57:04.200 we're

01:57:04.360 not

01:57:04.560 here

01:57:04.780 then

01:57:05.000 knowing

01:57:05.520 they

01:57:05.700 had

01:57:05.800 been

01:57:05.960 betrayed

01:57:06.460 by

01:57:07.160 their

01:57:07.360 own

01:57:07.560 nation

01:57:07.860 as

01:57:08.020 well

01:57:08.180 South

01:57:09.180 Africa

01:57:09.480 had

01:57:09.700 also

01:57:10.500 agreed

01:57:10.860 yes

01:57:11.120 these

01:57:11.360 reports

01:57:11.740 were

01:57:11.920 correct

01:57:12.180 so

01:57:12.300 they

01:57:12.440 figured

01:57:12.600 right

01:57:12.780 we've

01:57:13.000 been

01:57:13.120 abandoned

01:57:13.420 left

01:57:13.680 our

01:57:13.820 own

01:57:13.960 devices

01:57:14.340 and

01:57:15.340 that's

01:57:15.580 how

01:57:15.720 soldiers

01:57:16.040 find

01:57:16.340 out

01:57:16.540 that

01:57:16.780 they

01:57:16.980 are

01:57:17.260 betrayed

01:57:17.600 by

01:57:17.800 their

01:57:17.960 own

01:57:18.100 nations

01:57:18.400 which

01:57:18.800 were

01:57:18.940 never

01:57:19.140 their

01:57:19.400 own

01:57:19.680 anyway

01:57:20.280 so

01:57:21.640 just

01:57:22.320 to cut

01:57:22.840 it short

01:57:23.140 now

01:57:23.360 the

01:57:23.980 reason

01:57:24.400 why

01:57:24.960 I

01:57:25.280 suppose

01:57:25.700 maybe

01:57:26.040 that

01:57:26.660 all

01:57:26.940 of us

01:57:27.200 feel

01:57:27.440 not

01:57:27.720 just

01:57:27.900 in

01:57:28.020 South

01:57:28.160 Africa

01:57:28.380 but

01:57:28.560 any

01:57:28.700 of

01:57:28.780 us

01:57:28.880 who

01:57:28.980 have

01:57:29.200 our

01:57:29.600 head

01:57:29.740 screwed

01:57:29.940 on

01:57:30.140 why

01:57:30.460 we

01:57:30.600 can't

01:57:31.300 maybe

01:57:31.560 feel

01:57:31.920 that

01:57:32.080 we

01:57:32.200 can

01:57:32.400 fight

01:57:33.440 back

01:57:33.800 and

01:57:34.020 regain

01:57:34.420 our

01:57:34.580 own

01:57:34.740 countries

01:57:35.000 because

01:57:35.200 we

01:57:35.360 know

01:57:35.660 I

01:57:35.920 suppose

01:57:36.260 that

01:57:36.500 if

01:57:36.720 we

01:57:36.880 did

01:57:37.080 there

01:57:37.240 be

01:57:37.340 a lot

01:57:37.480 of

01:57:37.560 hardship

01:57:37.860 first

01:57:38.220 of

01:57:38.340 all

01:57:38.420 there

01:57:38.500 be

01:57:38.580 sanctions

01:57:38.940 we

01:57:39.460 be

01:57:39.620 cut

01:57:39.840 off

01:57:40.060 from

01:57:40.180 the

01:57:40.280 rest

01:57:40.460 of

01:57:40.580 the

01:57:40.680 world

01:57:40.920 the

01:57:41.100 free

01:57:41.380 thinking

01:57:41.640 world

01:57:42.040 there

01:57:42.380 would

01:57:42.520 trade

01:57:42.900 with

01:57:43.020 a lot

01:57:43.580 of

01:57:43.680 starvation

01:57:44.280 and

01:57:45.080 then

01:57:45.440 also

01:57:45.800 if

01:57:46.360 that

01:57:46.500 didn't

01:57:46.700 work

01:57:46.960 we'd

01:57:47.540 have

01:57:47.900 all

01:57:48.200 those

01:57:48.440 wonderful

01:57:48.760 flying

01:57:49.200 machines

01:57:49.860 from

01:57:50.680 America

01:57:51.080 and

01:57:51.220 a

01:57:51.340 coalition

01:57:51.760 of

01:57:51.960 the

01:57:52.040 willing

01:57:52.240 to

01:57:52.660 bomb

01:57:53.080 all

01:57:53.640 of

01:57:53.760 us

01:57:54.040 evil

01:57:54.760 racists

01:57:55.360 and

01:57:55.500 the

01:57:55.620 world

01:57:55.860 will

01:57:56.040 clap

01:57:56.360 because

01:57:56.580 everybody

01:57:57.020 then

01:57:57.320 stood

01:57:57.600 up

01:57:57.760 and

01:57:57.900 we're

01:57:58.660 all

01:57:58.860 the

01:57:59.060 same

01:57:59.400 and

01:57:59.520 how

01:57:59.680 dare

01:57:59.980 some

01:58:00.160 of

01:58:00.240 those

01:58:00.340 white

01:58:00.500 people

01:58:00.680 just

01:58:09.620 things

01:58:09.840 I

01:58:09.980 better

01:58:13.000 pass

01:58:13.320 it

01:58:13.420 back

01:58:13.540 to

01:58:13.640 the

01:58:13.720 host

01:58:13.920 so

01:58:14.040 I

01:58:14.060 don't

01:58:14.180 see

01:58:14.320 any

01:58:14.460 hands

01:58:14.760 well

01:58:17.260 yeah

01:58:17.760 that

01:58:18.240 makes

01:58:19.120 perfect

01:58:19.520 sense

01:58:19.920 so

01:58:20.340 we

01:58:21.020 are

01:58:21.300 coming

01:58:21.620 up

01:58:21.840 to

01:58:21.980 the

01:58:22.160 second

01:58:22.640 hour

01:58:23.280 of

01:58:23.700 this

01:58:24.160 space

01:58:24.740 Dr.

01:58:28.640 Mike

01:58:28.900 would you

01:58:29.300 like to

01:58:29.680 keep

01:58:29.860 going

01:58:30.300 for

01:58:31.000 a

01:58:31.860 little

01:58:32.060 bit

01:58:32.700 more

01:58:33.100 or

01:58:33.420 would

01:58:33.600 you

01:58:33.700 like

01:58:33.940 us

01:58:34.120 to

01:58:34.280 wrap

01:58:34.500 this

01:58:34.780 up

01:58:35.100 no

01:58:38.540 I'm

01:58:39.060 wide

01:58:39.420 awake

01:58:39.860 I

01:58:40.200 will

01:58:40.460 carry

01:58:40.880 on

01:58:41.220 I

01:58:42.620 would

01:58:42.820 just

01:58:43.100 like

01:58:43.420 to

01:58:43.740 add

01:58:44.300 to

01:58:44.660 the

01:58:44.900 previous

01:58:45.460 speaker

01:58:46.200 we

01:58:47.160 have

01:58:47.420 just

01:58:47.780 one

01:58:48.140 responsibility

01:58:48.980 and

01:58:50.120 that

01:58:50.360 is

01:58:50.540 to

01:58:50.720 our

01:58:51.000 own

01:58:51.300 people

01:58:51.760 we

01:58:52.680 are

01:58:52.900 not

01:58:53.160 there

01:58:53.440 to

01:58:53.680 feed

01:58:54.000 the

01:58:54.280 masses

01:58:55.480 or

01:58:56.740 to

01:58:57.240 give

01:59:00.000 them

01:59:00.280 medical

01:59:00.760 assistance

01:59:01.420 or

01:59:02.740 to

01:59:02.940 teach

01:59:03.320 them

01:59:03.620 christianity

01:59:04.740 that's

01:59:05.920 all

01:59:06.260 lies

01:59:06.820 we

01:59:07.500 have

01:59:07.800 no

01:59:08.160 responsibility

01:59:08.920 to

01:59:09.360 them

01:59:09.660 we

01:59:10.260 have

01:59:10.440 just

01:59:10.820 one

01:59:11.180 responsibility

01:59:12.280 and

01:59:13.440 that

01:59:13.660 is

01:59:13.840 to

01:59:14.060 our

01:59:14.500 own

01:59:15.440 sort

01:59:16.000 and

01:59:16.400 our

01:59:16.680 own

01:59:17.020 people

01:59:17.500 and

01:59:18.100 our

01:59:18.380 own

01:59:18.740 children

01:59:19.200 nothing

01:59:19.880 else

01:59:20.420 amazing

01:59:22.660 I

01:59:23.200 couldn't

01:59:23.500 agree

01:59:23.740 more

01:59:24.100 sir

01:59:24.320 very

01:59:24.580 well

01:59:24.840 said

01:59:25.240 based

01:59:27.140 maiden

01:59:27.500 did

01:59:27.760 you

01:59:27.920 maybe

01:59:28.220 have

01:59:28.500 any

01:59:28.680 questions

01:59:29.120 for

01:59:29.360 Dr.

01:59:29.680 Mike

01:59:29.880 well

01:59:30.860 yeah

01:59:31.160 I

01:59:31.360 did

01:59:31.640 and

01:59:33.340 thank

01:59:34.500 you

01:59:34.640 for

01:59:34.820 your

01:59:35.040 time

01:59:36.240 and

01:59:36.400 your

01:59:36.540 generosity

01:59:37.120 today

01:59:37.600 I

01:59:37.980 really

01:59:38.240 do

01:59:38.580 see

01:59:39.440 you

01:59:39.620 as

01:59:39.820 a

01:59:40.000 treasure

01:59:40.460 Dr.

01:59:41.080 Mike

01:59:41.360 with

01:59:41.680 so

01:59:42.220 much

01:59:42.500 that

01:59:42.760 you

01:59:42.940 have

01:59:43.120 overcome

01:59:43.860 and

01:59:44.880 yet

01:59:46.100 you

01:59:46.420 retain

01:59:47.580 this

01:59:47.860 very

01:59:48.280 calm

01:59:49.240 demeanor

01:59:49.820 and sweet

01:59:50.600 attitude

01:59:51.120 considering

01:59:52.140 all

01:59:52.740 the

01:59:52.960 injustice

01:59:53.420 that

01:59:53.960 you

01:59:54.160 faced

01:59:54.540 and

01:59:55.180 I

01:59:55.680 wanted

01:59:56.000 to

01:59:56.480 ask

01:59:57.040 you

01:59:57.260 about

01:59:57.660 this

01:59:58.180 how

02:00:00.580 do

02:00:00.860 you

02:00:01.040 think

02:00:01.520 your

02:00:02.020 time

02:00:02.820 in

02:00:04.300 prison

02:00:04.900 changed

02:00:05.740 you

02:00:06.160 and

02:00:07.180 were

02:00:08.260 there

02:00:08.420 parts

02:00:08.880 of you

02:00:09.280 that

02:00:09.660 it

02:00:10.180 developed

02:00:10.700 that

02:00:11.160 you

02:00:11.360 weren't

02:00:11.600 expecting

02:00:12.160 for

02:00:12.660 it

02:00:12.820 to

02:00:12.980 develop

02:00:13.440 sorry

02:00:20.100 double

02:00:20.460 mute

02:00:20.800 there

02:00:21.100 you'll

02:00:21.480 have

02:00:21.660 to

02:00:21.960 unmute

02:00:22.500 again

02:00:22.740 there

02:00:22.980 we

02:00:23.100 go

02:00:23.300 thanks

02:00:23.600 Mike

02:00:23.900 when

02:00:26.040 I

02:00:26.240 was

02:00:26.500 a

02:00:26.720 child

02:00:27.220 my

02:00:28.360 father

02:00:28.980 was

02:00:30.660 a

02:00:30.880 yoga

02:00:31.180 teacher

02:00:31.760 and

02:00:33.260 he

02:00:33.620 teached

02:00:34.840 me

02:00:35.080 how

02:00:35.400 to

02:00:35.580 do

02:00:35.800 yoga

02:00:36.180 exercises

02:00:37.060 and

02:00:37.460 how

02:00:37.660 to

02:00:37.880 meditate

02:00:38.340 and

02:00:39.940 while

02:00:40.740 in

02:00:41.000 prison

02:00:41.400 I

02:00:41.680 did

02:00:41.920 that

02:00:42.180 a

02:00:42.400 lot

02:00:42.680 and

02:00:43.220 I

02:00:43.520 quickly

02:00:44.360 discovered

02:00:45.020 that

02:00:46.300 I

02:00:46.980 could

02:00:47.340 at

02:00:48.000 all

02:00:48.300 times

02:00:48.920 be

02:00:49.580 myself

02:00:50.240 maintain

02:00:50.860 myself

02:00:51.580 keep

02:00:52.000 my

02:00:52.380 keep

02:00:53.180 myself

02:00:53.840 under

02:00:54.200 control

02:00:54.800 while

02:00:55.120 that

02:00:55.380 was

02:00:55.640 a

02:00:55.800 very

02:00:56.020 big

02:00:56.300 problem

02:00:56.740 with

02:00:57.020 everybody

02:00:57.460 else

02:00:58.120 and

02:00:59.120 that

02:00:59.360 is

02:00:59.540 because

02:00:59.960 I

02:01:00.420 exercised

02:01:01.500 every

02:01:01.900 night

02:01:02.260 I

02:01:02.500 meditated

02:01:03.140 every

02:01:03.580 night

02:01:04.060 so

02:01:05.020 that

02:01:05.340 the

02:01:05.600 time

02:01:05.940 in

02:01:06.160 prison

02:01:06.520 didn't

02:01:06.980 really

02:01:07.460 alter

02:01:08.440 me

02:01:08.840 psychologically

02:01:10.280 or

02:01:12.480 in

02:01:13.020 any

02:01:13.700 other

02:01:14.040 way

02:01:14.440 in

02:01:15.600 actual

02:01:15.960 fact

02:01:16.320 as I

02:01:16.800 pointed

02:01:17.280 out

02:01:17.660 earlier

02:01:18.240 it

02:01:20.720 prevented

02:01:21.680 me

02:01:22.020 from

02:01:22.300 running

02:01:22.680 around

02:01:23.120 forcing

02:01:24.580 me

02:01:25.000 to

02:01:25.360 do

02:01:25.960 my

02:01:26.240 doctorate

02:01:26.840 if

02:01:27.080 it

02:01:27.540 wasn't

02:01:27.980 for

02:01:28.240 the

02:01:28.460 time

02:01:28.740 in

02:01:28.960 prison

02:01:29.260 I

02:01:29.540 wouldn't

02:01:29.880 have

02:01:30.100 completed

02:01:30.640 my

02:01:30.960 doctorate

02:01:31.620 so

02:01:32.800 in

02:01:33.080 some

02:01:33.400 sense

02:01:33.800 it

02:01:34.000 was

02:01:34.440 from

02:01:36.100 an

02:01:36.900 intellectual

02:01:38.480 viewpoint

02:01:39.140 it

02:01:39.420 was

02:01:39.780 very

02:01:41.140 good

02:01:41.580 to

02:01:41.900 me

02:01:42.180 benefit

02:01:43.140 for

02:01:43.540 me

02:01:43.860 but

02:01:45.060 psychologically

02:01:46.520 I

02:01:48.080 was

02:01:49.220 at

02:01:50.140 this

02:01:50.480 moment

02:01:50.980 and

02:01:52.220 before

02:01:52.820 my

02:01:53.120 time

02:01:53.400 in

02:01:53.620 prison

02:01:53.920 I

02:01:54.200 am

02:01:54.340 still

02:01:54.640 exactly

02:01:55.180 the

02:01:55.460 same

02:01:55.700 person

02:01:56.300 That's

02:02:00.460 not

02:02:00.620 everybody's

02:02:01.260 story

02:02:01.580 so

02:02:02.780 that's

02:02:03.220 quite

02:02:03.620 amazing

02:02:04.580 and

02:02:06.180 I

02:02:06.640 guess

02:02:06.940 my

02:02:07.400 next

02:02:08.060 question

02:02:08.680 is

02:02:09.060 because

02:02:09.740 you're

02:02:10.060 a

02:02:10.220 philosopher

02:02:10.720 and

02:02:11.420 you

02:02:11.560 like

02:02:11.760 to

02:02:11.940 philosophize

02:02:13.060 you

02:02:14.740 know

02:02:14.940 and

02:02:15.180 what

02:02:15.580 is

02:02:15.980 we

02:02:16.560 often

02:02:17.040 say

02:02:17.400 that

02:02:17.880 you

02:02:19.440 know

02:02:19.560 the

02:02:19.720 white

02:02:19.980 western

02:02:20.380 world

02:02:20.820 is

02:02:21.060 we

02:02:21.300 are

02:02:21.540 a

02:02:21.700 global

02:02:22.020 South

02:02:22.440 Africa

02:02:22.860 and

02:02:23.540 you

02:02:24.100 know

02:02:24.180 we're

02:02:24.380 7%

02:02:25.060 of

02:02:25.400 the

02:02:25.560 world's

02:02:25.940 population

02:02:26.640 and

02:02:27.100 the

02:02:27.300 93%

02:02:28.380 all

02:02:28.800 want

02:02:29.060 to

02:02:29.180 move

02:02:29.400 in

02:02:29.580 with

02:02:29.780 us

02:02:30.140 and

02:02:31.200 I

02:02:33.200 am

02:02:33.420 wondering

02:02:33.860 you

02:02:34.480 know

02:02:34.620 into

02:02:34.920 the

02:02:35.220 future

02:02:35.800 how

02:02:36.540 do

02:02:36.800 you

02:02:37.040 see

02:02:37.880 us

02:02:40.120 to

02:02:40.360 be

02:02:40.540 able

02:02:40.680 to

02:02:40.880 change

02:02:41.500 our

02:02:42.080 psychology

02:02:43.020 from

02:02:44.080 being

02:02:44.540 like

02:02:45.700 this

02:02:46.380 suicidal

02:02:47.180 altruistic

02:02:48.520 people

02:02:49.340 and

02:02:50.300 to

02:02:50.900 actually

02:02:51.380 having

02:02:51.780 a

02:02:52.000 really

02:02:52.300 strong

02:02:53.160 vigorous

02:02:54.400 immune

02:02:55.060 system

02:02:55.740 that

02:02:57.280 can't

02:02:57.800 be

02:02:58.020 easily

02:02:58.640 emotionally

02:02:59.540 blackmailed

02:03:01.240 into

02:03:01.840 feeding

02:03:02.340 everybody

02:03:03.200 but

02:03:03.520 ourselves

02:03:04.040 taking

02:03:04.520 care

02:03:04.920 of

02:03:05.120 everybody

02:03:05.540 but

02:03:05.920 ourselves

02:03:06.420 giving

02:03:07.160 money

02:03:07.620 to

02:03:07.920 everybody

02:03:08.400 but

02:03:08.940 ourselves

02:03:09.700 what

02:03:11.020 is

02:03:11.200 it

02:03:11.300 going

02:03:11.380 to

02:03:11.480 require

02:03:12.000 from

02:03:12.360 us

02:03:12.680 psychologically

02:03:13.600 to

02:03:14.040 make

02:03:14.240 that

02:03:14.500 shift

02:03:15.040 well

02:03:18.760 what

02:03:19.060 I'm

02:03:19.280 going

02:03:19.520 to

02:03:19.740 say

02:03:20.180 is

02:03:20.480 it's

02:03:20.920 going

02:03:21.180 to

02:03:21.420 shock

02:03:21.760 you

02:03:22.020 but

02:03:23.100 first

02:03:23.460 of

02:03:23.660 all

02:03:23.900 we'll

02:03:24.260 have

02:03:24.480 to

02:03:24.840 become

02:03:25.440 very

02:03:25.780 critical

02:03:26.340 of

02:03:27.600 the

02:03:27.840 current

02:03:28.420 christianity

02:03:29.600 that

02:03:29.900 are

02:03:30.100 taught

02:03:30.360 to

02:03:30.580 us

02:03:30.940 that

02:03:32.140 story

02:03:32.600 of

02:03:32.880 love

02:03:33.320 everybody

02:03:34.080 that

02:03:34.940 God

02:03:35.240 is

02:03:35.460 love

02:03:35.820 and

02:03:36.000 that

02:03:36.200 sort

02:03:36.420 of

02:03:36.600 thing

02:03:36.880 that's

02:03:37.820 very

02:03:38.080 very

02:03:38.360 negative

02:03:38.840 for

02:03:39.900 our

02:03:40.200 survival

02:03:40.820 capitalism

02:03:42.180 is

02:03:42.720 very

02:03:43.020 negative

02:03:43.460 for

02:03:43.840 our

02:03:44.140 survival

02:03:44.780 democracy

02:03:47.060 the

02:03:47.660 whole

02:03:47.840 idea

02:03:48.200 that

02:03:48.440 everybody

02:03:48.920 is

02:03:49.360 equal

02:03:49.760 and

02:03:49.980 everybody

02:03:50.580 have

02:03:51.020 equal

02:03:51.440 right

02:03:51.800 to

02:03:51.960 decide

02:03:52.380 who

02:03:52.560 the

02:03:52.780 government

02:03:53.200 should

02:03:53.540 be

02:03:53.820 that's

02:03:54.600 very

02:03:54.840 negative

02:03:55.320 for

02:03:55.640 our

02:03:55.900 survival

02:03:56.500 so

02:03:57.520 we'll

02:03:57.860 have

02:03:58.180 to

02:03:58.620 we'll

02:04:00.100 have

02:04:00.360 to

02:04:00.800 rethink

02:04:01.740 the

02:04:03.080 ideological

02:04:03.900 basis

02:04:04.760 on

02:04:05.140 which

02:04:05.460 we

02:04:05.760 are

02:04:06.120 situated

02:04:08.200 I

02:04:10.280 think

02:04:11.960 the

02:04:13.660 way

02:04:16.020 we

02:04:16.280 should

02:04:16.560 look

02:04:16.860 at

02:04:17.160 this

02:04:17.560 and

02:04:18.080 what

02:04:18.320 we

02:04:18.540 should

02:04:18.760 do

02:04:19.100 is

02:04:19.820 there's

02:04:20.200 two

02:04:20.500 great

02:04:21.500 philosophical

02:04:23.320 schools

02:04:24.400 the

02:04:25.260 one is

02:04:25.680 the

02:04:25.840 conservative

02:04:26.600 revolutionary

02:04:27.680 tradition

02:04:28.720 where

02:04:29.940 philosophers

02:04:30.580 like

02:04:31.320 Julius

02:04:31.920 Evola

02:04:32.520 and

02:04:33.900 Oswald

02:04:34.860 Spengler

02:04:35.520 and those

02:04:36.300 people

02:04:36.680 are

02:04:37.040 we

02:04:37.320 should

02:04:37.540 go and

02:04:37.880 have a

02:04:38.220 look at

02:04:38.560 what

02:04:38.780 they

02:04:39.040 are

02:04:39.220 saying

02:04:39.600 what

02:04:40.380 is

02:04:40.600 necessary

02:04:41.260 and

02:04:42.220 then

02:04:42.460 there's

02:04:42.820 another

02:04:43.260 philosophical

02:04:44.040 school

02:04:44.760 it's

02:04:45.760 called

02:04:46.020 the

02:04:46.280 new

02:04:46.480 right

02:04:46.960 and

02:04:47.500 its

02:04:47.720 main

02:04:48.000 philosopher

02:04:48.600 is

02:04:49.120 Alain

02:04:49.560 de

02:04:49.760 Benoit

02:04:50.120 we

02:04:51.120 should

02:04:51.340 go and

02:04:51.740 read

02:04:52.080 those

02:04:52.900 people's

02:04:53.560 books

02:04:53.900 and

02:04:54.840 there's

02:04:55.180 a lot

02:04:55.540 of

02:04:55.760 books

02:04:56.140 especially

02:04:56.940 from

02:04:57.380 America

02:04:57.940 written

02:04:59.200 by

02:04:59.640 racial

02:05:00.380 nationalists

02:05:01.400 white

02:05:01.880 racial

02:05:02.400 nationalists

02:05:03.320 we

02:05:03.560 should

02:05:03.760 go and

02:05:04.160 read

02:05:04.460 those

02:05:04.740 books

02:05:05.080 we

02:05:05.900 should

02:05:06.160 find

02:05:06.740 ourselves

02:05:07.520 a new

02:05:08.120 ideological

02:05:08.880 basis

02:05:09.600 and

02:05:10.700 once

02:05:11.080 we

02:05:11.300 have

02:05:11.500 done

02:05:12.000 that

02:05:12.440 we

02:05:13.440 will

02:05:13.980 start

02:05:14.380 producing

02:05:15.060 the

02:05:15.540 heroes

02:05:16.080 that

02:05:16.680 will

02:05:17.080 be

02:05:17.340 prepared

02:05:18.040 to

02:05:18.540 make

02:05:18.800 that

02:05:19.080 a

02:05:19.240 reality

02:05:19.820 oh

02:05:23.640 boy

02:05:24.120 you

02:05:24.620 sure

02:05:25.020 made

02:05:25.360 Abrahamic

02:05:26.360 happy

02:05:26.860 and

02:05:28.320 I

02:05:28.420 brought

02:05:28.580 up

02:05:28.760 Ananda

02:05:29.080 because

02:05:31.460 she's

02:05:31.800 from

02:05:31.940 South

02:05:32.180 Africa

02:05:32.480 but

02:05:32.660 if

02:05:32.760 you

02:05:32.840 want

02:05:32.960 to

02:05:33.080 speak

02:05:33.380 maybe

02:05:33.800 put

02:05:33.980 your

02:05:34.100 hand

02:05:34.320 up

02:05:34.440 so

02:05:34.560 we

02:05:34.680 know

02:05:34.920 yeah

02:05:35.740 okay

02:05:36.040 so

02:05:36.220 then

02:05:36.380 go

02:05:36.540 ahead

02:05:36.800 Abrahamic

02:05:37.840 and

02:05:37.860 then

02:05:38.080 yeah

02:05:39.380 Abrahamic

02:05:40.060 go ahead

02:05:40.500 and then

02:05:40.800 we'll

02:05:41.060 go with

02:05:41.420 Ananda

02:05:41.780 I

02:05:43.080 just

02:05:43.280 want

02:05:43.440 to

02:05:43.540 say

02:05:43.720 music

02:05:44.140 to

02:05:44.380 my

02:05:44.600 ears

02:05:45.060 thank

02:05:46.240 you

02:05:46.360 so

02:05:46.560 much

02:05:46.980 I'm

02:05:47.600 a

02:05:47.700 recovering

02:05:48.260 Abrahamic

02:05:49.260 aholic

02:05:49.840 Christian

02:05:51.080 myself

02:05:51.580 who has

02:05:51.920 walked

02:05:52.180 away

02:05:52.460 from

02:05:52.680 the

02:05:52.840 faith

02:05:53.140 that

02:05:53.520 has

02:05:53.660 destroyed

02:05:54.020 our

02:05:54.200 people

02:05:54.560 so

02:05:55.600 thank

02:05:56.300 you

02:05:56.380 for

02:05:56.540 saying

02:05:56.800 that

02:05:57.120 in a

02:05:58.620 kinder

02:05:58.960 way

02:05:59.120 than

02:05:59.280 I

02:05:59.460 would

02:05:59.680 I

02:06:00.680 have

02:06:00.840 a

02:06:00.960 question

02:06:01.360 regarding

02:06:02.260 people

02:06:02.900 that

02:06:03.720 are

02:06:04.560 going

02:06:04.740 to

02:06:04.860 come

02:06:05.100 from

02:06:05.300 South

02:06:05.560 Africa

02:06:06.000 into

02:06:07.700 America

02:06:08.240 do

02:06:09.380 you

02:06:09.560 believe

02:06:09.860 that

02:06:10.040 they're

02:06:10.240 going

02:06:10.360 to

02:06:10.400 be

02:06:10.700 revolutionized

02:06:11.840 and

02:06:12.480 ready

02:06:12.820 to

02:06:13.680 fight

02:06:15.140 against

02:06:15.540 the

02:06:15.860 subhumans

02:06:16.480 that

02:06:16.640 we

02:06:16.820 have

02:06:17.240 or

02:06:18.240 are

02:06:18.480 they

02:06:18.620 going

02:06:18.760 to

02:06:18.840 be

02:06:19.020 complacent

02:06:19.720 coming

02:06:20.000 into

02:06:20.260 America

02:06:20.660 and

02:06:20.840 just

02:06:21.020 try

02:06:21.560 to

02:06:21.720 blend

02:06:22.000 in

02:06:22.280 no

02:06:25.760 they

02:06:25.960 are

02:06:26.100 just

02:06:26.360 going

02:06:26.620 to

02:06:26.820 blend

02:06:27.120 in

02:06:27.380 they

02:06:27.620 will

02:06:27.840 never

02:06:28.240 fight

02:06:28.780 you

02:06:29.920 know

02:06:30.140 those

02:06:30.520 people

02:06:30.980 left

02:06:31.640 South

02:06:31.980 Africa

02:06:32.420 because

02:06:32.880 their

02:06:33.160 spirit

02:06:33.580 is

02:06:34.560 broken

02:06:35.020 so

02:06:35.800 they

02:06:36.080 will

02:06:36.260 just

02:06:36.620 mix

02:06:37.060 with

02:06:37.340 the

02:06:37.660 other

02:06:38.460 white

02:06:38.760 Americans

02:06:39.280 and they

02:06:39.900 will

02:06:40.040 feel

02:06:40.320 safe

02:06:40.740 and they

02:06:41.100 will

02:06:41.240 be

02:06:41.520 glad

02:06:41.800 to

02:06:42.000 be

02:06:42.160 there

02:06:42.480 and

02:06:43.720 they

02:06:44.040 would

02:06:45.180 forget

02:06:46.020 about

02:06:46.360 the

02:06:46.560 struggle

02:06:46.900 here

02:06:47.260 so

02:06:48.580 but

02:06:48.940 I

02:06:49.180 don't

02:06:49.460 think

02:06:49.960 the

02:06:50.820 struggle

02:06:51.360 and the

02:06:51.940 possibility

02:06:52.560 to win

02:06:53.180 a struggle

02:06:53.820 is in

02:06:54.880 any way

02:06:55.440 connected

02:06:55.980 to

02:06:56.760 masses

02:06:57.220 of

02:06:57.600 people

02:06:58.080 if

02:06:59.060 you

02:06:59.160 go

02:06:59.340 and

02:06:59.480 have

02:06:59.700 a

02:06:59.820 look

02:06:59.980 at

02:07:00.160 history

02:07:00.680 you

02:07:02.000 will

02:07:02.240 see

02:07:02.580 that

02:07:02.900 it's

02:07:03.220 always

02:07:03.840 very

02:07:05.020 creative

02:07:06.440 intellectual

02:07:08.200 leaders

02:07:08.800 that are

02:07:09.540 changing

02:07:10.020 history

02:07:10.580 never

02:07:11.140 the masses

02:07:11.880 of

02:07:12.200 people

02:07:12.640 the masses

02:07:13.700 of people

02:07:14.360 are like

02:07:14.920 donkeys

02:07:15.400 they will

02:07:15.800 run

02:07:16.060 after

02:07:17.660 anybody

02:07:18.320 that's

02:07:19.480 prepared

02:07:20.220 to do

02:07:20.700 something

02:07:21.220 so

02:07:22.540 unfortunately

02:07:23.900 I don't

02:07:24.660 think

02:07:24.900 they are

02:07:25.220 going

02:07:25.440 to

02:07:25.840 mean

02:07:26.620 much

02:07:27.000 to

02:07:27.220 you

02:07:27.520 although

02:07:29.140 they are

02:07:29.580 white

02:07:29.960 they are

02:07:30.540 probably

02:07:31.000 very

02:07:31.440 intellectual

02:07:32.100 very

02:07:33.540 young

02:07:34.100 creative

02:07:34.860 people

02:07:35.440 but

02:07:36.220 they are

02:07:36.520 not

02:07:36.720 going

02:07:36.960 to

02:07:37.260 mean

02:07:37.600 politically

02:07:38.240 anything

02:07:38.780 to

02:07:39.100 you

02:07:39.400 thank

02:07:41.860 you

02:07:41.960 for

02:07:42.080 your

02:07:42.240 sacrifice

02:07:42.780 and

02:07:43.740 I

02:07:45.920 can't

02:07:46.220 wait

02:07:46.380 for

02:07:46.580 this

02:07:46.880 racial

02:07:48.420 holy

02:07:48.680 war

02:07:48.880 to

02:07:49.040 begin

02:07:49.400 so

02:07:50.320 be

02:07:50.920 safe

02:07:51.240 thank

02:07:55.380 you

02:07:55.520 did

02:07:55.700 you

02:07:55.920 want

02:07:56.180 to

02:07:56.260 go

02:07:56.380 ahead

02:07:56.740 Ananda

02:07:57.280 hi

02:08:00.480 everybody

02:08:01.200 hello

02:08:02.800 so

02:08:06.080 I've

02:08:08.100 got a

02:08:08.380 question

02:08:08.720 because

02:08:09.060 we are

02:08:09.680 looking

02:08:10.040 to

02:08:10.440 leave

02:08:10.880 for

02:08:11.240 America

02:08:11.740 yet

02:08:12.780 I have

02:08:13.320 lived

02:08:13.580 abroad

02:08:13.900 before

02:08:14.360 I've

02:08:14.760 lived

02:08:14.980 in

02:08:15.200 England

02:08:15.520 for

02:08:15.860 six

02:08:16.180 years

02:08:16.580 and

02:08:17.620 yes

02:08:18.380 you

02:08:19.380 tend

02:08:19.740 to

02:08:20.240 assimilate

02:08:21.260 into

02:08:21.680 society

02:08:22.440 but

02:08:22.860 the world

02:08:23.420 will not

02:08:23.940 let you

02:08:24.360 forget

02:08:24.780 that

02:08:25.040 you're

02:08:25.260 South

02:08:25.520 African

02:08:25.960 what

02:08:27.060 I've

02:08:27.540 experienced

02:08:28.580 abroad

02:08:29.180 especially

02:08:30.520 is the

02:08:31.360 minute that

02:08:32.000 somebody

02:08:32.580 does find

02:08:33.620 out

02:08:34.000 you're

02:08:34.940 South

02:08:35.300 African

02:08:35.780 you tend

02:08:38.260 to always

02:08:39.160 be stuck

02:08:40.220 in some

02:08:40.940 form of a

02:08:41.820 political

02:08:42.280 conversation

02:08:43.120 when I

02:08:45.140 was younger

02:08:45.660 I was

02:08:45.980 about

02:08:46.200 18

02:08:46.780 19

02:08:47.280 it was

02:08:48.620 very hard

02:08:49.440 because you

02:08:50.840 had to

02:08:51.220 explain yourself

02:08:52.180 away in

02:08:53.220 in a very

02:08:54.280 kind of

02:08:54.760 hostile

02:08:55.200 environment

02:08:55.960 and you

02:08:57.760 don't back

02:08:58.400 down I

02:08:59.140 didn't I

02:08:59.700 didn't ever

02:09:00.120 back down

02:09:00.760 because it's

02:09:02.200 very hard to

02:09:02.900 explain why

02:09:03.620 there's

02:09:03.900 segregation

02:09:04.480 because when I

02:09:05.480 lived in

02:09:05.860 London I

02:09:07.060 looked around

02:09:07.660 and I see

02:09:08.240 people segregating

02:09:09.280 everywhere

02:09:09.760 we tend

02:09:11.060 to all

02:09:11.600 flock

02:09:12.060 where the

02:09:13.180 food we

02:09:13.700 know we

02:09:14.940 eat are

02:09:15.840 the same

02:09:16.460 and the

02:09:17.160 music we

02:09:17.820 hear

02:09:18.300 yes we

02:09:19.240 like to

02:09:19.720 kind of

02:09:20.640 see different

02:09:21.340 cultures but

02:09:22.140 that doesn't

02:09:22.700 mean that you

02:09:23.360 don't revert

02:09:23.940 back to

02:09:24.400 yours

02:09:24.680 so I

02:09:27.060 don't know

02:09:27.700 if we

02:09:28.520 I don't

02:09:29.160 think we

02:09:29.580 will not

02:09:30.040 mean anything

02:09:30.960 over there

02:09:31.460 I think

02:09:31.940 we're going

02:09:32.300 to be very

02:09:32.800 robust

02:09:33.340 especially

02:09:34.340 because we

02:09:35.100 had to

02:09:35.420 face

02:09:35.880 the

02:09:37.220 adversity

02:09:37.740 we had

02:09:38.200 to face

02:09:38.640 here we're

02:09:39.040 going to be

02:09:39.300 thankful

02:09:39.660 for the

02:09:40.100 freedom

02:09:40.400 and the

02:09:42.320 safety

02:09:42.840 but I

02:09:43.860 do think

02:09:44.540 the cause

02:09:45.120 is very

02:09:45.620 stuck

02:09:46.240 deep

02:09:46.740 hard

02:09:47.340 in our

02:09:47.700 blood

02:09:47.980 my dad

02:09:50.160 used to

02:09:50.500 call me

02:09:50.840 far left

02:09:51.460 and then

02:09:52.660 recently

02:09:54.080 well not

02:09:54.540 recently

02:09:55.020 through the

02:09:55.540 years that

02:09:55.900 I've been

02:09:56.260 back

02:09:56.660 now he

02:09:57.600 goes you

02:09:57.960 very far

02:09:58.560 right and

02:09:59.080 I don't

02:09:59.400 think I'm

02:09:59.840 either

02:10:00.220 I think

02:10:01.400 I'm very

02:10:01.760 much stuck

02:10:02.340 in the

02:10:02.680 middle

02:10:03.020 of a

02:10:04.420 society

02:10:05.160 that

02:10:05.820 is not

02:10:07.480 understanding

02:10:08.180 it's not

02:10:08.740 about far

02:10:09.320 left or

02:10:09.740 far right

02:10:10.340 it is

02:10:12.440 what it

02:10:12.760 is

02:10:13.120 for every

02:10:13.940 culture

02:10:14.940 they can

02:10:15.740 stand up

02:10:16.260 and be

02:10:16.540 proud

02:10:16.960 and I

02:10:17.320 want to

02:10:17.540 be proud

02:10:18.020 of being

02:10:18.860 white and

02:10:19.340 Afrikaans

02:10:19.980 so I

02:10:21.380 don't know

02:10:21.960 if that

02:10:22.520 I agree

02:10:23.160 with that

02:10:23.680 because I

02:10:24.240 have lived

02:10:24.640 abroad and

02:10:25.160 had to

02:10:25.540 fight a

02:10:25.960 cause

02:10:26.260 and I

02:10:27.240 would gladly

02:10:27.740 fight for

02:10:28.320 South Africa

02:10:28.940 across the

02:10:29.580 waters

02:10:29.940 it will be

02:10:31.440 harder I

02:10:32.060 think inside

02:10:32.920 South Africa

02:10:33.700 to actually

02:10:34.340 fight this

02:10:35.040 battle

02:10:35.460 just

02:10:36.260 because

02:10:36.640 we're

02:10:36.920 so

02:10:37.080 little

02:10:37.460 and

02:10:38.400 then

02:10:38.580 I've

02:10:38.740 got a

02:10:39.000 15

02:10:39.360 year old

02:10:39.740 son

02:10:40.100 that I

02:10:40.920 can't

02:10:41.180 expect him

02:10:41.780 to fight

02:10:42.220 this

02:10:42.480 battle

02:10:42.960 no matter

02:10:44.840 how much

02:10:45.560 I would

02:10:46.000 want

02:10:46.340 that for

02:10:47.280 my

02:10:47.680 kids

02:10:49.000 and my

02:10:49.440 future

02:10:49.880 it's not

02:10:51.700 on him

02:10:52.100 it's really

02:10:52.860 not on

02:10:53.260 him

02:10:53.480 so I

02:10:55.040 feel that

02:10:55.720 a lot

02:10:56.080 of the

02:10:56.320 people

02:10:56.620 that's

02:10:57.020 staying

02:10:57.440 are

02:11:00.440 probably

02:11:00.920 the younger

02:11:03.820 ones will

02:11:04.280 leave

02:11:04.600 we need

02:11:05.040 work

02:11:05.420 we need

02:11:06.360 safety

02:11:06.780 we want

02:11:07.220 our children

02:11:07.700 to actually

02:11:08.260 have a

02:11:08.660 future

02:11:09.060 but the

02:11:10.140 ones that

02:11:10.620 are staying

02:11:11.260 is list

02:11:11.960 for this

02:11:12.360 fight

02:11:12.720 I can

02:11:13.760 hear it

02:11:14.120 amongst

02:11:14.420 the men

02:11:14.920 that's

02:11:15.880 above

02:11:16.220 45

02:11:17.480 50

02:11:18.180 they are

02:11:19.140 getting

02:11:19.400 ready

02:11:19.780 they are

02:11:20.260 really

02:11:20.540 getting

02:11:20.820 ready

02:11:21.160 they've

02:11:21.480 been

02:11:21.620 looking

02:11:21.920 after

02:11:22.340 their

02:11:23.600 families

02:11:24.280 struggling

02:11:25.520 and then

02:11:26.180 also

02:11:26.700 you kind

02:11:27.800 of become

02:11:28.260 criminal

02:11:28.740 in this

02:11:29.500 country

02:11:29.920 because of

02:11:30.560 the laws

02:11:31.040 we had

02:11:32.360 to dodge

02:11:33.000 and try

02:11:34.120 to survive

02:11:34.820 we had

02:11:35.840 to skirt

02:11:36.400 so many

02:11:36.920 laws

02:11:37.320 that we

02:11:38.120 are all

02:11:38.440 a bunch

02:11:38.740 of criminals

02:11:39.300 at this

02:11:39.820 stage

02:11:40.220 and that's

02:11:41.200 also going

02:11:41.800 so hard

02:11:42.960 against the

02:11:43.560 core

02:11:43.860 when the

02:11:44.780 laws are

02:11:45.300 criminal

02:11:45.780 yet you

02:11:47.640 are actually

02:11:48.300 stepping over

02:11:49.740 it every

02:11:50.160 day

02:11:50.520 so thank

02:11:52.840 you for

02:11:53.360 this space

02:11:55.680 it's really

02:11:56.160 good

02:11:56.480 it's really

02:11:57.080 good to

02:11:57.460 listen to

02:11:57.920 everybody

02:11:58.340 and we

02:12:00.660 hope to

02:12:01.360 be a very

02:12:01.740 good

02:12:01.960 contribution

02:12:02.600 I feel

02:12:03.840 like yes

02:12:04.440 in my

02:12:04.720 bloodline

02:12:05.200 I'm

02:12:05.440 Afrikaans

02:12:06.020 but then

02:12:06.440 there's a

02:12:06.860 part of

02:12:07.180 me that's

02:12:07.620 very much

02:12:08.180 secular

02:12:08.580 and if

02:12:10.080 I have

02:12:10.460 to choose

02:12:11.120 to which

02:12:11.760 history

02:12:12.740 I'll be

02:12:13.140 repeating

02:12:13.700 it won't

02:12:14.120 be the

02:12:14.400 last 30

02:12:14.980 years

02:12:15.420 I'll go

02:12:16.480 back further

02:12:17.180 than that

02:12:17.760 and I

02:12:18.080 will resettle

02:12:18.900 and re-establish

02:12:20.300 yet again

02:12:20.960 because we

02:12:21.520 can and

02:12:22.440 we've done

02:12:22.820 it before

02:12:23.320 and we've

02:12:25.100 got the

02:12:25.460 opportunity

02:12:25.900 to do

02:12:26.400 this again

02:12:27.020 so yeah

02:12:28.180 as a

02:12:29.580 South

02:12:29.800 African

02:12:30.180 coming over

02:12:30.940 to you

02:12:31.340 guys

02:12:31.720 I hope

02:12:33.000 we'll be

02:12:33.320 received

02:12:33.820 well

02:12:34.240 and yeah

02:12:35.980 thank you

02:12:36.460 for this

02:12:36.800 space

02:12:37.300 and thank you

02:12:38.900 meneer

02:12:39.220 the toy

02:12:39.680 perhaps if

02:12:44.120 I could

02:12:44.340 just

02:12:44.680 quickly

02:12:45.500 interject

02:12:46.420 so thank

02:12:48.460 you Amanda

02:12:48.920 for coming

02:12:49.520 on

02:12:49.820 Godspeed

02:12:50.820 when you

02:12:51.100 go to

02:12:51.440 America

02:12:51.860 carry our

02:12:52.500 cause

02:12:52.880 I

02:12:53.320 I understand

02:12:56.320 the sentiment

02:12:57.160 that a lot

02:12:58.360 of our

02:12:58.980 people don't

02:13:02.040 want

02:13:02.600 their children

02:13:03.600 to inherit

02:13:04.480 our struggle

02:13:05.360 but the reality

02:13:07.480 of it is

02:13:08.100 that we

02:13:08.640 inherited the

02:13:09.440 struggle

02:13:09.820 of our

02:13:10.860 forefathers

02:13:11.440 there's a

02:13:11.900 beautiful song

02:13:12.700 it says

02:13:13.740 this

02:13:14.060 the struggle

02:13:19.120 that our

02:13:20.320 fathers began

02:13:21.260 will continue

02:13:22.700 to

02:13:23.800 will continue

02:13:25.720 until we

02:13:26.880 die

02:13:27.840 or until

02:13:28.480 we conquer

02:13:29.060 so

02:13:29.480 yeah

02:13:31.100 please

02:13:31.920 if I could

02:13:32.980 make an appeal

02:13:33.860 to you

02:13:34.300 raise your

02:13:35.320 sons

02:13:35.780 as

02:13:36.940 inheritors

02:13:38.180 of the

02:13:39.100 greatest

02:13:40.260 struggle

02:13:40.800 that there

02:13:41.260 is

02:13:41.520 and that's

02:13:41.940 the struggle

02:13:43.080 for our

02:13:43.720 people

02:13:44.160 and for

02:13:45.340 a future

02:13:45.860 for our

02:13:46.420 people

02:13:46.800 do not

02:13:48.180 let them

02:13:49.440 succumb

02:13:50.620 to comfort

02:13:52.040 and the

02:13:52.860 pursuit

02:13:53.320 of so-called

02:13:54.040 happiness

02:13:54.460 I think

02:13:55.500 that's one

02:13:56.040 thing that

02:13:56.440 our generation

02:13:57.400 has fallen

02:13:58.040 prior to

02:13:58.660 and that's

02:13:59.280 the pursuit

02:14:00.000 of happiness

02:14:00.660 we should

02:14:01.880 not pursue

02:14:02.580 happiness

02:14:03.100 as an

02:14:03.460 end goal

02:14:03.920 we should

02:14:04.640 pursue

02:14:05.100 purpose

02:14:05.780 and a

02:14:06.480 destiny

02:14:06.860 and when

02:14:07.260 we do

02:14:07.620 that

02:14:08.040 even if

02:14:09.180 we face

02:14:09.780 any kind

02:14:10.420 of adversity

02:14:11.080 like

02:14:11.720 Dr. Mike

02:14:12.600 is such a

02:14:13.320 great example

02:14:14.440 of

02:14:14.800 then we

02:14:15.480 will be

02:14:15.820 happy

02:14:16.180 in the

02:14:16.840 adversity

02:14:17.380 but if

02:14:18.020 we pursue

02:14:18.600 happiness

02:14:19.080 as an

02:14:19.500 end goal

02:14:19.940 we will be

02:14:20.720 unhappy

02:14:21.300 in our

02:14:22.140 pursuit

02:14:22.600 and in

02:14:23.260 our

02:14:23.400 end goal

02:14:23.820 we will

02:14:24.180 be like

02:14:24.660 the

02:14:24.880 dog

02:14:25.860 that chased

02:14:30.040 the car

02:14:30.460 and when

02:14:30.980 he caught

02:14:31.560 up to it

02:14:32.040 he doesn't

02:14:32.900 really know

02:14:33.280 what to

02:14:33.580 do

02:14:33.700 so there

02:14:34.560 is that

02:14:35.000 thank you

02:14:35.880 for tuning

02:14:36.260 in

02:14:37.020 and yeah

02:14:38.420 raise your

02:14:39.000 sons

02:14:39.380 to be

02:14:40.020 boore

02:14:40.360 and to

02:14:41.160 return

02:14:41.540 like you

02:14:41.940 said

02:14:42.140 there are

02:14:42.460 many men

02:14:42.980 that want

02:14:43.840 this fight

02:14:44.380 I consider

02:14:45.260 myself to be

02:14:45.980 one of them

02:14:46.540 Dr. Mike

02:14:47.500 I'm sorry

02:14:48.180 for interrupting

02:14:49.000 or you know

02:14:50.340 jumping in

02:14:51.300 ahead of you

02:14:51.740 but please

02:14:52.560 go ahead

02:14:53.000 I just

02:14:57.760 want to say

02:14:58.380 I can

02:14:58.800 understand

02:14:59.440 quite

02:15:00.020 well

02:15:00.980 why Ananda

02:15:01.980 wants to

02:15:02.780 move out

02:15:03.460 of the

02:15:03.740 country

02:15:04.200 especially

02:15:05.660 if the

02:15:06.400 safety of

02:15:07.040 the children

02:15:07.800 is at

02:15:08.780 stake

02:15:09.200 I myself

02:15:10.540 also

02:15:11.340 children

02:15:13.420 that is

02:15:14.160 not

02:15:14.440 any longer

02:15:15.960 in South

02:15:16.440 Africa

02:15:16.960 so I

02:15:17.780 can

02:15:17.960 understand

02:15:18.420 that

02:15:18.700 quite

02:15:19.000 well

02:15:19.380 this is

02:15:21.160 now

02:15:21.540 from the

02:15:22.680 point

02:15:23.000 but I

02:15:23.380 would just

02:15:23.800 like to

02:15:24.260 mention

02:15:24.720 that our

02:15:27.220 Indo-European

02:15:28.200 forefathers

02:15:29.120 about

02:15:29.580 6000

02:15:30.260 years ago

02:15:31.160 lived

02:15:32.640 in an

02:15:33.380 area

02:15:33.800 let's

02:15:34.840 say

02:15:35.020 as

02:15:35.240 big

02:15:35.460 as

02:15:35.680 Pretoria

02:15:36.260 and

02:15:37.820 from there

02:15:38.300 they moved

02:15:38.900 out

02:15:39.400 all over

02:15:40.120 the

02:15:40.380 old

02:15:40.780 world

02:15:41.340 about

02:15:42.560 2000

02:15:43.200 years

02:15:43.640 ago

02:15:44.040 our

02:15:44.600 Germanic

02:15:45.280 forefathers

02:15:46.140 were

02:15:47.340 living

02:15:47.800 in a

02:15:48.640 area

02:15:49.800 in

02:15:50.840 southern

02:15:51.360 Scandinavia

02:15:52.440 north

02:15:53.400 Germany

02:15:54.020 that's

02:15:54.900 perhaps

02:15:55.280 even

02:15:55.620 smaller

02:15:56.120 than

02:15:56.440 Pretoria

02:15:57.060 and

02:15:58.020 all of

02:15:58.580 us

02:15:59.080 Afrikaners

02:16:00.720 Americans

02:16:01.580 the

02:16:03.220 English

02:16:03.820 the

02:16:05.340 Dutch

02:16:05.820 the

02:16:06.720 Flemish

02:16:07.340 all the

02:16:08.540 Scandinavians

02:16:09.720 the

02:16:10.120 Austrians

02:16:10.880 we are

02:16:12.040 all

02:16:12.280 coming

02:16:12.660 from

02:16:12.980 that

02:16:13.220 same

02:16:13.600 group

02:16:14.160 of

02:16:14.460 people

02:16:14.940 for

02:16:16.420 6000

02:16:17.100 years

02:16:17.580 we

02:16:17.820 could

02:16:18.080 maintain

02:16:18.600 our

02:16:18.900 identity

02:16:19.580 our

02:16:21.480 languages

02:16:22.040 might

02:16:22.660 differ

02:16:23.500 a little

02:16:23.980 bit

02:16:24.360 but we

02:16:25.140 are

02:16:25.340 one

02:16:25.600 and

02:16:25.780 the

02:16:25.940 same

02:16:26.180 people

02:16:26.860 so

02:16:28.020 for

02:16:28.240 somebody

02:16:28.780 going

02:16:29.220 to

02:16:29.520 America

02:16:30.120 or

02:16:30.940 Australia

02:16:31.580 or

02:16:32.080 New

02:16:32.340 Zealand

02:16:32.920 just

02:16:34.040 know

02:16:34.400 that's

02:16:34.820 just

02:16:35.100 another

02:16:35.700 group

02:16:38.000 of

02:16:38.280 people

02:16:38.740 that is

02:16:39.640 very

02:16:40.100 very

02:16:40.480 very

02:16:40.840 closely

02:16:41.360 related

02:16:41.920 to

02:16:42.220 us

02:16:42.580 all

02:16:53.320 right

02:16:53.600 posty

02:16:54.360 I think

02:16:54.580 Steve

02:16:54.900 Hansen

02:16:55.320 had

02:16:55.520 his

02:16:55.720 hand

02:16:56.020 up

02:16:56.140 and

02:16:57.180 then

02:16:57.400 extra

02:16:57.920 and

02:16:58.380 then

02:16:58.540 rune

02:16:58.780 master

02:16:59.080 and

02:16:59.280 then

02:16:59.540 rune

02:17:00.260 yeah

02:17:00.500 thanks

02:17:03.580 to

02:17:03.840 base

02:17:04.220 maintenance

02:17:04.600 and

02:17:04.800 posty

02:17:05.180 for

02:17:05.360 putting

02:17:05.640 this

02:17:05.840 space

02:17:06.160 together

02:17:06.560 and

02:17:07.340 Johannes

02:17:07.760 it's

02:17:08.100 always

02:17:08.300 a

02:17:08.500 pleasure

02:17:08.720 to

02:17:08.960 hear

02:17:09.140 you

02:17:09.340 speak

02:17:09.680 and

02:17:10.600 it's

02:17:10.820 a

02:17:10.980 pleasure

02:17:11.200 to

02:17:11.500 get

02:17:11.900 to

02:17:12.160 hear

02:17:12.700 I'm

02:17:13.540 sure

02:17:13.720 one

02:17:13.980 of

02:17:14.160 the

02:17:14.480 inspirations

02:17:15.340 for

02:17:15.600 you

02:17:15.940 Dr.

02:17:17.160 Mike

02:17:17.340 Dutui

02:17:17.680 so

02:17:18.000 thank

02:17:18.580 you

02:17:18.700 Mike

02:17:18.880 for

02:17:19.060 taking

02:17:19.320 the

02:17:19.500 time

02:17:19.760 here

02:17:20.020 I

02:17:20.860 had

02:17:21.380 a

02:17:21.560 similar

02:17:22.040 but

02:17:22.280 different

02:17:22.600 question

02:17:23.120 to

02:17:23.440 the

02:17:23.640 one

02:17:23.840 Abrahamic

02:17:24.500 asked

02:17:24.860 of

02:17:26.460 the

02:17:26.700 South

02:17:26.940 Africans

02:17:27.380 that

02:17:27.620 have

02:17:27.760 moved

02:17:28.080 out

02:17:28.340 of

02:17:28.520 South

02:17:28.800 Africa

02:17:29.260 do

02:17:30.120 you

02:17:30.260 expect

02:17:30.680 many

02:17:31.000 of

02:17:31.200 them

02:17:31.440 would

02:17:32.420 want

02:17:32.780 to

02:17:33.020 return

02:17:33.540 and

02:17:34.580 in

02:17:35.780 your

02:17:35.960 eyes

02:17:36.260 what

02:17:36.800 do

02:17:36.980 you

02:17:37.120 think

02:17:37.400 would

02:17:37.900 it

02:17:38.180 take

02:17:38.500 for

02:17:38.700 them

02:17:38.960 to

02:17:39.200 want

02:17:39.460 to

02:17:39.640 return

02:17:41.900 a

02:17:42.920 struggle

02:17:43.460 erupting

02:17:44.660 would

02:17:45.320 that

02:17:45.540 be

02:17:46.640 the

02:17:46.880 sign

02:17:47.180 that

02:17:47.500 many

02:17:48.060 of

02:17:48.260 these

02:17:48.480 people

02:17:48.760 would

02:17:49.060 need

02:17:50.100 to

02:17:50.360 return

02:17:50.780 or

02:17:51.000 do

02:17:51.140 you

02:17:51.220 think

02:17:51.380 most

02:17:51.660 of

02:17:51.780 them

02:17:51.880 would

02:17:52.020 want

02:17:52.320 to

02:17:52.480 wait

02:17:52.680 until

02:17:52.960 the

02:17:53.160 struggle

02:17:53.560 is

02:17:54.440 over

02:17:54.900 and

02:17:55.560 done

02:17:55.780 with

02:17:56.020 so

02:17:56.380 I'm

02:17:58.840 also

02:17:59.060 curious

02:17:59.540 Mike

02:17:59.880 just

02:18:00.460 given

02:18:01.000 you

02:18:02.120 know

02:18:02.300 that

02:18:02.640 you're

02:18:02.960 older

02:18:03.880 how

02:18:05.160 optimistic

02:18:05.880 are you

02:18:06.460 for

02:18:06.660 the

02:18:06.840 future

02:18:07.240 of

02:18:07.540 Afrikaners

02:18:08.340 in

02:18:08.720 South

02:18:08.980 Africa

02:18:09.360 Steve

02:18:13.020 I'm

02:18:13.560 very

02:18:14.220 very

02:18:14.660 very

02:18:15.040 optimistic

02:18:15.720 because

02:18:17.600 if you

02:18:18.060 are in

02:18:18.460 South

02:18:18.720 Africa

02:18:19.240 then

02:18:20.500 you'll

02:18:20.820 see

02:18:21.020 that

02:18:21.280 these

02:18:21.540 other

02:18:21.860 people

02:18:22.360 can't

02:18:23.220 do

02:18:23.380 anything

02:18:23.860 correct

02:18:24.500 they

02:18:25.220 destroy

02:18:25.980 they

02:18:27.220 they

02:18:27.720 just

02:18:28.440 can't

02:18:28.920 do

02:18:29.080 anything

02:18:29.560 correct

02:18:30.140 and

02:18:30.520 if

02:18:30.800 somebody

02:18:31.360 can't

02:18:32.420 maintain

02:18:32.940 himself

02:18:33.660 he

02:18:34.300 will

02:18:34.500 destroy

02:18:35.000 himself

02:18:35.540 and

02:18:35.760 that's

02:18:36.060 exactly

02:18:36.480 what's

02:18:36.900 busy

02:18:37.160 happening

02:18:37.620 you know

02:18:38.900 about

02:18:39.240 that

02:18:39.520 question

02:18:40.100 of

02:18:40.980 people

02:18:41.380 returning

02:18:41.880 to

02:18:42.140 South

02:18:42.440 Africa

02:18:42.940 I

02:18:43.820 can

02:18:44.060 answer

02:18:44.520 you

02:18:44.880 by

02:18:45.640 telling

02:18:46.020 you

02:18:46.400 what

02:18:46.940 Siener

02:18:47.280 van

02:18:47.500 Rendsburg

02:18:48.160 said

02:18:48.680 somebody

02:18:49.920 earlier

02:18:50.920 tonight

02:18:51.420 asked

02:18:51.880 about

02:18:52.240 Siener

02:18:52.600 van

02:18:52.800 Rendsburg

02:18:53.440 he

02:18:53.960 said

02:18:54.480 that

02:18:55.300 there's

02:18:55.620 going

02:18:55.860 to be

02:18:56.280 a

02:18:56.500 third

02:18:56.840 world

02:18:57.260 war

02:18:57.760 and

02:18:59.020 all

02:18:59.420 countries

02:19:00.020 in the

02:19:00.420 world

02:19:00.700 is

02:19:00.940 going

02:19:01.220 to

02:19:01.480 experience

02:19:02.440 experience

02:19:03.840 military

02:19:04.620 and

02:19:04.960 political

02:19:05.540 instability

02:19:07.160 to

02:19:07.680 the

02:19:07.880 extent

02:19:08.440 that

02:19:08.960 all

02:19:09.320 the

02:19:09.500 people

02:19:09.860 who

02:19:10.100 left

02:19:10.360 South

02:19:10.740 Africa

02:19:11.220 is

02:19:11.880 going

02:19:12.120 to

02:19:12.320 come

02:19:12.580 back

02:19:12.880 again

02:19:13.280 and

02:19:14.780 so

02:19:16.780 it

02:19:17.580 seems

02:19:18.060 as

02:19:18.380 if

02:19:18.760 very

02:19:20.380 very

02:19:20.720 very

02:19:21.040 great

02:19:21.480 problems

02:19:22.240 are

02:19:22.720 facing

02:19:23.120 the

02:19:23.380 world

02:19:23.680 within

02:19:24.000 the

02:19:24.380 next

02:19:25.480 few

02:19:25.840 years

02:19:26.340 and

02:19:27.060 that's

02:19:27.340 going

02:19:27.540 to

02:19:27.760 make

02:19:28.040 all

02:19:28.440 the

02:19:28.680 old

02:19:29.000 South

02:19:29.300 Africans

02:19:29.820 coming

02:19:30.800 back

02:19:31.120 to

02:19:31.320 South

02:19:31.620 Africa

02:19:32.140 and

02:19:33.280 not

02:19:33.620 just

02:19:34.260 that

02:19:34.720 you

02:19:35.040 also

02:19:35.420 said

02:19:35.900 that

02:19:37.120 white

02:19:37.720 people

02:19:38.120 from

02:19:38.420 all

02:19:38.760 over

02:19:39.100 the

02:19:39.380 world

02:19:39.820 are

02:19:40.260 going

02:19:40.500 to

02:19:40.700 come

02:19:40.960 in

02:19:41.240 their

02:19:41.440 millions

02:19:42.100 to

02:19:42.500 South

02:19:42.880 Africa

02:19:43.400 because

02:19:44.780 at

02:19:45.280 that

02:19:45.560 stage

02:19:46.100 our

02:19:46.640 struggle

02:19:47.120 will

02:19:47.400 be

02:19:47.720 behind

02:19:48.900 us

02:19:49.360 and

02:19:50.420 we

02:19:50.660 would

02:19:50.880 have

02:19:51.060 created

02:19:51.580 a

02:19:51.860 new

02:19:52.180 state

02:19:53.020 and

02:19:53.820 all

02:19:54.160 those

02:19:54.440 Europeans

02:19:55.080 will

02:19:55.800 be

02:19:56.040 so

02:19:56.340 impressed

02:19:56.920 with

02:19:57.180 what's

02:19:57.560 going

02:19:57.840 on

02:19:58.140 here

02:19:58.420 that

02:19:59.200 they

02:19:59.400 would

02:20:00.280 like

02:20:00.600 to

02:20:00.800 come

02:20:01.060 and

02:20:01.460 indeed

02:20:02.020 come

02:20:02.440 to

02:20:02.680 South

02:20:02.980 Africa

02:20:03.540 okay

02:20:14.900 I

02:20:15.200 think

02:20:15.660 I

02:20:15.960 see

02:20:16.160 we've

02:20:16.480 got

02:20:16.820 rune

02:20:17.440 master

02:20:17.860 or

02:20:18.280 maker

02:20:18.760 I

02:20:19.380 think

02:20:19.540 we

02:20:19.700 have

02:20:19.860 extra

02:20:20.880 than

02:20:21.420 rune

02:20:21.860 and

02:20:22.200 then

02:20:22.340 we'll

02:20:22.440 go

02:20:22.540 to

02:20:22.680 rune

02:20:22.980 yeah

02:20:23.140 and

02:20:23.420 then

02:20:23.520 I

02:20:23.620 brought

02:20:23.760 up

02:20:23.940 emerald

02:20:24.260 emerald

02:20:24.600 if

02:20:24.760 you

02:20:24.840 want

02:20:24.960 to

02:20:25.060 speak

02:20:25.280 please

02:20:25.480 put

02:20:25.600 your

02:20:25.720 hand

02:20:25.940 up

02:20:26.180 all

02:20:29.540 right

02:20:29.720 I

02:20:30.020 will

02:20:30.180 go

02:20:30.460 now

02:20:31.240 then

02:20:31.440 and

02:20:31.760 look

02:20:31.980 I

02:20:32.240 suppose

02:20:32.540 I'll

02:20:32.780 just

02:20:32.940 add

02:20:33.260 on

02:20:33.480 maybe

02:20:34.520 if

02:20:35.020 you

02:20:35.500 know

02:20:35.680 Dr

02:20:36.500 DeToy

02:20:36.840 is

02:20:37.700 willing

02:20:38.340 and

02:20:38.480 able

02:20:38.640 to

02:20:38.860 stay

02:20:39.120 on

02:20:39.300 longer

02:20:39.560 I'll

02:20:39.840 have

02:20:39.980 more

02:20:40.160 questions

02:20:40.540 for him

02:20:40.780 but

02:20:40.880 for

02:20:41.020 now

02:20:41.200 I

02:20:41.300 just

02:20:41.440 want

02:20:41.560 to

02:20:41.640 add

02:20:41.900 on

02:20:42.140 to

02:20:42.280 something

02:20:42.540 which

02:20:42.720 you

02:20:43.720 know

02:20:43.820 is

02:20:44.040 this

02:20:44.380 sort

02:20:45.300 of

02:20:45.420 idea

02:20:45.900 of

02:20:46.400 do

02:20:46.800 you

02:20:47.000 fight

02:20:47.380 or

02:20:47.740 do

02:20:47.980 you

02:20:48.200 take

02:20:48.680 flight

02:20:49.020 and

02:20:50.200 you

02:20:50.640 know

02:20:50.700 one

02:20:50.880 of

02:20:50.980 the

02:20:51.080 things

02:20:51.400 that

02:20:52.040 we

02:20:52.900 can

02:20:53.080 see

02:20:53.280 obviously

02:20:53.700 but

02:20:54.000 we

02:20:54.180 tend

02:20:54.420 to

02:20:54.560 forget

02:20:54.840 and

02:20:55.040 we

02:20:55.140 need

02:20:55.300 reminding

02:20:55.880 of

02:20:56.120 is

02:20:56.320 the

02:20:56.480 fact

02:20:56.720 that

02:20:56.980 well

02:20:57.920 the

02:20:58.460 there

02:20:59.340 has

02:20:59.500 been

02:20:59.620 a

02:20:59.780 retreat

02:21:00.340 going

02:21:00.900 on

02:21:01.180 over

02:21:01.420 several

02:21:01.800 generations

02:21:02.340 and

02:21:02.940 you

02:21:03.880 know

02:21:03.960 we

02:21:04.080 can

02:21:04.240 certainly

02:21:04.520 say

02:21:04.720 there's

02:21:04.900 been

02:21:05.060 you

02:21:05.420 know

02:21:05.520 you

02:21:05.700 can

02:21:05.800 say

02:21:05.900 well

02:21:06.040 when

02:21:06.220 did

02:21:06.320 this

02:21:06.500 retreating

02:21:07.080 start

02:21:07.500 definitely

02:21:08.540 I

02:21:09.060 mean

02:21:09.180 it

02:21:09.320 wasn't

02:21:09.660 the

02:21:09.800 first

02:21:10.000 time

02:21:10.240 but

02:21:10.740 since

02:21:11.040 World

02:21:11.320 War

02:21:11.500 II

02:21:11.660 we

02:21:11.820 lost

02:21:12.120 that

02:21:12.340 war

02:21:12.560 and

02:21:12.700 we

02:21:12.780 been

02:21:12.980 retreating

02:21:13.460 ever

02:21:13.620 since

02:21:14.000 and

02:21:14.440 that's

02:21:14.740 not

02:21:14.900 the

02:21:15.320 start

02:21:15.560 of

02:21:15.660 it

02:21:15.760 but

02:21:15.880 that

02:21:16.020 can

02:21:16.140 be

02:21:16.280 seen

02:21:16.520 as

02:21:16.760 a

02:21:17.000 starting

02:21:17.380 point

02:21:17.720 to

02:21:17.940 at

02:21:18.100 least

02:21:18.340 locate

02:21:19.780 and

02:21:20.020 fixate

02:21:20.460 upon

02:21:20.880 for

02:21:21.780 a

02:21:22.180 way

02:21:22.820 point

02:21:23.060 in

02:21:23.180 history

02:21:23.460 and

02:21:24.540 so

02:21:24.820 there

02:21:24.980 does

02:21:25.160 come

02:21:25.300 a

02:21:25.420 point

02:21:25.800 and

02:21:26.360 I

02:21:26.460 think

02:21:26.580 we've

02:21:26.780 reached

02:21:26.960 that

02:21:27.140 point

02:21:27.400 where

02:21:28.840 there

02:21:29.220 is

02:21:29.360 nowhere

02:21:29.580 left

02:21:29.860 to

02:21:30.000 run

02:21:30.180 and

02:21:30.400 I

02:21:30.560 laugh

02:21:31.020 at

02:21:31.260 the

02:21:31.380 idea

02:21:31.640 I

02:21:31.780 mean

02:21:31.880 look

02:21:32.080 I've

02:21:32.200 spent

02:21:32.380 a lot

02:21:32.640 of

02:21:32.760 time

02:21:32.900 in

02:21:33.140 South

02:21:33.300 Africa

02:21:33.520 and

02:21:33.680 I

02:21:33.780 said

02:21:33.920 before

02:21:34.200 I

02:21:35.220 prefer

02:21:35.500 things

02:21:35.820 to

02:21:35.920 be

02:21:35.980 on

02:21:36.100 the

02:21:36.180 books

02:21:36.420 like

02:21:36.760 that

02:21:36.920 laws

02:21:37.160 against

02:21:37.480 whites

02:21:37.720 are

02:21:37.820 on

02:21:37.900 the

02:21:37.980 books

02:21:38.180 therefore

02:21:38.540 nobody's

02:21:39.000 confused

02:21:39.380 about

02:21:39.640 it

02:21:39.820 I

02:21:40.860 kind

02:21:41.240 of

02:21:41.360 do

02:21:41.520 like

02:21:41.820 that

02:21:42.060 you

02:21:42.620 know

02:21:42.760 for

02:21:43.020 corporate

02:21:43.460 policies

02:21:43.940 that

02:21:44.160 they

02:21:44.380 do

02:21:44.800 tell

02:21:45.000 us

02:21:45.120 oh

02:21:45.240 yes

02:21:45.460 we

02:21:45.600 have

02:21:45.740 environmental

02:21:46.160 social

02:21:46.720 governance

02:21:47.240 and

02:21:47.720 we

02:21:47.800 have

02:21:47.980 diversity

02:21:48.800 and

02:21:49.140 inclusion

02:21:50.680 and

02:21:51.280 diversity

02:21:51.800 equity

02:21:52.360 and

02:21:52.520 inclusion

02:21:52.820 and

02:21:54.020 I

02:21:54.160 kind

02:21:54.360 of

02:21:54.420 thought

02:21:54.560 everybody

02:21:54.980 had

02:21:56.020 control

02:21:56.700 of

02:21:56.840 their

02:21:56.940 own

02:21:57.080 minds

02:21:57.280 to

02:21:57.420 understand

02:21:57.860 that

02:21:58.160 of

02:21:58.360 course

02:21:58.640 they

02:21:58.840 think

02:21:59.080 up

02:21:59.220 these

02:21:59.500 lovely

02:22:00.160 words

02:22:00.700 for

02:22:00.920 something

02:22:01.260 but

02:22:01.440 if

02:22:01.600 you

02:22:02.000 call

02:22:02.220 poison

02:22:02.740 some

02:22:03.020 kind

02:22:03.160 of

02:22:03.260 magical

02:22:03.780 wonderful

02:22:04.400 tasty

02:22:04.920 elixir

02:22:05.420 and say

02:22:05.660 why don't

02:22:05.980 you have

02:22:06.240 this

02:22:06.480 it's not

02:22:06.800 poison

02:22:07.100 it's

02:22:07.300 lovely

02:22:07.560 the people

02:22:08.040 go

02:22:08.260 listen

02:22:08.760 you can

02:22:09.000 change

02:22:09.240 the label

02:22:09.660 on it

02:22:09.920 but it's

02:22:10.200 still fine

02:22:10.640 and now

02:22:10.920 I'm thinking

02:22:11.120 the 2020

02:22:11.560 it's

02:22:12.320 you can

02:22:12.680 change

02:22:12.840 the label

02:22:13.120 but it's

02:22:13.400 still

02:22:13.540 exactly

02:22:13.860 the same

02:22:14.240 thing

02:22:14.620 so

02:22:15.160 I'm

02:22:15.520 not

02:22:15.680 fooled

02:22:16.000 but

02:22:16.600 unfortunately

02:22:17.440 in 2020

02:22:18.040 you can

02:22:18.380 see that

02:22:18.580 most people

02:22:18.940 are

02:22:19.300 and some

02:22:20.340 people

02:22:20.540 still

02:22:20.780 kind

02:22:20.980 of

02:22:21.020 why

02:22:21.400 would

02:22:21.540 our

02:22:21.700 government

02:22:22.060 lie

02:22:22.360 to

02:22:22.500 us

02:22:22.620 and

02:22:22.700 this

02:22:22.800 kind

02:22:22.920 of

02:22:22.960 thing

02:22:23.060 so

02:22:23.180 some

02:22:23.340 people

02:22:23.520 I think

02:22:24.620 in

02:22:24.760 Europe

02:22:25.340 and

02:22:25.520 America

02:22:25.940 still

02:22:26.760 think

02:22:27.140 oh

02:22:27.540 yeah

02:22:27.700 but

02:22:27.880 our

02:22:28.220 government

02:22:28.500 would

02:22:28.700 never

02:22:28.900 allow

02:22:29.200 this

02:22:29.420 or

02:22:29.520 why

02:22:29.700 don't

02:22:29.860 they

02:22:29.980 appeal

02:22:30.260 to

02:22:30.380 our

02:22:30.500 government

02:22:30.760 to

02:22:31.000 intercede

02:22:31.700 on

02:22:31.880 behalf

02:22:32.200 of

02:22:32.300 the

02:22:32.380 South

02:22:32.540 Africans

02:22:32.840 why

02:22:33.260 isn't

02:22:34.440 Donald

02:22:34.860 Trump's

02:22:35.200 government

02:22:35.380 bringing

02:22:35.700 more

02:22:36.100 refugees

02:22:36.480 because

02:22:37.280 obviously

02:22:38.360 they

02:22:38.820 are

02:22:38.960 controlled

02:22:39.400 and have

02:22:40.160 been

02:22:40.340 at least

02:22:40.660 since

02:22:41.640 World War

02:22:42.040 II

02:22:42.200 by

02:22:42.360 people

02:22:42.580 who

02:22:42.720 don't

02:22:42.980 have

02:22:51.020 this

02:22:51.380 is a

02:22:51.540 reminder

02:22:51.840 to

02:22:52.000 always

02:22:53.380 examine

02:22:53.740 your

02:22:53.880 own

02:22:54.020 mind

02:22:54.220 I've

02:22:54.460 noticed

02:22:54.740 and I

02:22:54.980 think

02:22:55.120 it's a

02:22:55.360 common

02:22:55.600 thing

02:22:55.840 not just

02:22:56.180 with me

02:22:56.440 I think

02:22:56.700 it's a

02:22:56.980 fairly

02:22:57.240 universal

02:22:57.660 thing

02:22:57.900 to

02:22:58.020 white

02:22:58.200 people

02:22:58.440 now

02:22:58.660 that

02:22:59.340 we

02:22:59.500 allow

02:22:59.780 our

02:23:00.020 minds

02:23:00.380 to

02:23:00.640 fall

02:23:01.120 back

02:23:01.560 into

02:23:02.080 a

02:23:02.520 kind

02:23:02.920 of

02:23:03.080 complacency

02:23:03.880 things

02:23:04.700 get a

02:23:05.040 little

02:23:05.160 bit

02:23:05.340 less

02:23:05.700 pointed

02:23:06.320 in

02:23:06.600 our

02:23:06.740 minds

02:23:07.040 whenever

02:23:07.280 we

02:23:07.520 have

02:23:07.700 just

02:23:07.880 a

02:23:08.100 moment's

02:23:08.640 respite

02:23:09.180 from

02:23:09.780 the

02:23:10.040 immediate

02:23:10.600 danger

02:23:11.380 that

02:23:11.620 threatens

02:23:11.920 us

02:23:12.200 and

02:23:12.600 if

02:23:12.720 we

02:23:12.840 find

02:23:13.220 some

02:23:13.500 little

02:23:13.700 gated

02:23:14.020 community

02:23:14.420 somewhere

02:23:14.740 or

02:23:14.880 some

02:23:15.000 town

02:23:15.420 that

02:23:15.580 doesn't

02:23:15.740 seem

02:23:15.920 so

02:23:16.060 bad

02:23:16.180 we're

02:23:16.280 going

02:23:16.360 to

02:23:16.420 go

02:23:16.520 oh

02:23:16.660 thank

02:23:16.840 god

02:23:17.060 I'm

02:23:17.300 fine

02:23:17.540 now

02:23:17.720 I can

02:23:17.960 rest

02:23:18.220 here

02:23:18.580 I'll

02:23:19.240 be

02:23:19.340 all

02:23:19.460 right

02:23:19.620 but

02:23:20.100 your

02:23:20.260 children

02:23:20.500 won't

02:23:20.740 be

02:23:20.900 and

02:23:21.220 I

02:23:21.340 doubt

02:23:21.520 you

02:23:21.740 will

02:23:21.960 be

02:23:22.140 in

02:23:22.260 your

02:23:22.640 older

02:23:23.140 years

02:23:23.460 either

02:23:23.820 so

02:23:25.340 I

02:23:25.860 laugh

02:23:26.580 when

02:23:27.040 people

02:23:27.220 say

02:23:27.460 should

02:23:27.840 I

02:23:27.980 leave

02:23:28.600 and

02:23:30.100 it's

02:23:30.340 just

02:23:30.520 it's

02:23:30.780 typical

02:23:31.200 it's

02:23:31.580 a

02:23:31.700 complete

02:23:32.400 cliched

02:23:33.000 case

02:23:33.380 of

02:23:33.680 out

02:23:33.980 of

02:23:34.100 the

02:23:34.220 frying

02:23:34.440 pan

02:23:34.700 and

02:23:34.820 into

02:23:34.960 the

02:23:35.080 fire

02:23:35.280 and

02:23:35.460 I

02:23:35.600 would

02:23:35.860 suggest

02:23:36.440 to

02:23:36.740 South

02:23:36.900 Africans

02:23:37.260 that

02:23:38.800 it's

02:23:39.760 worse

02:23:40.160 in

02:23:40.600 Europe

02:23:40.940 or

02:23:41.640 in

02:23:41.860 America

02:23:42.160 and

02:23:42.540 it's

02:23:42.720 going

02:23:42.920 to

02:23:43.040 be

02:23:43.140 more

02:23:43.320 painful

02:23:43.820 because

02:23:44.340 you're

02:23:44.500 putting

02:23:44.740 off

02:23:45.020 the

02:23:45.160 inevitable

02:23:45.580 by

02:23:46.560 only

02:23:47.180 a

02:23:47.660 few

02:23:47.840 years

02:23:48.300 not

02:23:48.960 even

02:23:49.200 five

02:23:49.640 I

02:23:49.800 would

02:23:49.960 say

02:23:50.160 already

02:23:50.600 every

02:23:50.960 country

02:23:51.320 in

02:23:51.480 Europe

02:23:51.720 is

02:23:52.500 I

02:23:52.780 would

02:23:52.900 take

02:23:53.320 my

02:23:53.500 chances

02:23:53.820 and

02:23:54.120 I

02:23:54.240 have

02:23:54.440 taken

02:23:54.660 my

02:23:54.840 chances

02:23:55.120 in

02:23:55.480 Johannesburg

02:23:56.140 Cape

02:23:56.600 10

02:23:56.800 easy

02:23:57.200 no

02:23:57.500 problemo

02:23:58.400 than

02:23:58.880 I

02:23:59.040 would

02:23:59.260 in

02:23:59.420 London

02:23:59.640 or

02:23:59.840 Paris

02:24:00.160 or

02:24:00.380 Frankfurt

02:24:00.760 or

02:24:01.080 Berlin

02:24:01.420 or

02:24:01.960 anywhere

02:24:02.340 else

02:24:02.680 really

02:24:03.020 although

02:24:03.840 I

02:24:04.000 know

02:24:04.160 apparently

02:24:04.540 some

02:24:04.720 people

02:24:04.880 have

02:24:05.020 visited

02:24:05.280 Europe

02:24:05.580 and

02:24:05.740 said

02:24:05.860 no

02:24:06.020 some

02:24:06.240 cities

02:24:06.480 are

02:24:06.640 fine

02:24:06.860 okay

02:24:07.260 but

02:24:07.880 they're

02:24:08.020 not

02:24:08.160 going

02:24:08.360 to be

02:24:08.580 for

02:24:08.720 long

02:24:09.000 and

02:24:10.120 worse

02:24:10.500 than

02:24:10.720 that

02:24:11.040 most

02:24:11.860 of

02:24:12.040 our

02:24:12.140 own

02:24:12.300 people

02:24:12.600 are

02:24:13.140 happy

02:24:13.500 to

02:24:13.720 find

02:24:13.940 some

02:24:14.220 corner

02:24:14.700 to

02:24:15.260 hide

02:24:15.640 in

02:24:15.820 and

02:24:15.960 say

02:24:16.080 things

02:24:16.380 aren't

02:24:16.960 bad

02:24:17.240 here

02:24:17.400 so

02:24:17.540 things

02:24:18.020 are

02:24:18.140 always

02:24:18.300 going

02:24:18.460 to

02:24:18.560 be

02:24:18.680 good

02:24:18.900 and

02:24:19.700 I

02:24:19.900 think

02:24:20.100 they're

02:24:20.260 hiding

02:24:20.560 in

02:24:20.800 the

02:24:20.920 crevices

02:24:21.280 of

02:24:21.620 their

02:24:21.780 own

02:24:22.000 minds

02:24:22.540 whereas

02:24:23.760 in

02:24:24.020 South

02:24:24.160 Africa

02:24:24.420 as I

02:24:25.040 said

02:24:25.240 it's

02:24:25.480 a lot

02:24:25.700 harder

02:24:26.280 for

02:24:26.500 people

02:24:26.740 to

02:24:26.920 pretend

02:24:27.360 that

02:24:27.620 things

02:24:27.960 aren't

02:24:28.400 as

02:24:28.740 they

02:24:28.940 are

02:24:29.280 so

02:24:30.780 really

02:24:31.440 it's

02:24:31.860 not a

02:24:32.120 question

02:24:32.420 but

02:24:32.780 I do

02:24:33.220 have

02:24:33.420 some

02:24:33.580 more

02:24:33.860 if

02:24:34.360 you'd

02:24:34.500 like

02:24:34.620 at the

02:24:34.780 end

02:24:34.920 and

02:24:35.020 of

02:24:35.120 course

02:24:35.240 you'd

02:24:35.420 like

02:24:35.520 to

02:24:35.620 comment

02:24:35.820 on

02:24:35.980 any

02:24:36.060 of

02:24:36.160 that

02:24:36.260 I

02:24:37.340 kind

02:24:37.660 of

02:24:37.780 laugh

02:24:38.040 at

02:24:38.140 the

02:24:38.200 idea

02:24:38.500 that

02:24:39.660 things

02:24:40.300 are

02:24:40.460 going

02:24:40.620 to

02:24:40.740 be

02:24:41.040 any

02:24:41.340 better

02:24:41.640 for

02:24:41.860 anybody

02:24:42.120 who

02:24:42.360 leaves

02:24:42.760 wherever

02:24:50.920 all

02:24:51.100 understood

02:24:51.440 that

02:24:51.940 we're

02:24:52.120 fighting

02:24:52.420 for

02:24:52.620 each

02:24:52.740 other

02:24:52.900 and

02:24:53.060 it

02:24:53.140 was

02:24:53.220 going

02:24:53.360 to

02:24:53.440 be

02:24:53.560 Custer's

02:24:54.440 last

02:24:54.700 stand

02:24:55.020 that

02:24:55.240 we

02:24:55.360 consolidated

02:24:56.060 and

02:24:57.380 then

02:24:57.740 lived

02:24:58.780 in

02:24:58.920 essentially

02:24:59.600 a

02:24:59.820 fortress

02:25:00.100 citadel

02:25:00.640 took

02:25:01.200 enough

02:25:01.420 land

02:25:01.780 that

02:25:02.000 we

02:25:02.100 could

02:25:02.220 sustain

02:25:02.560 ourselves

02:25:03.120 and

02:25:03.880 then

02:25:04.200 we

02:25:04.800 could

02:25:04.960 regain

02:25:05.420 over

02:25:05.820 several

02:25:06.200 generations

02:25:06.700 but

02:25:06.940 we

02:25:07.060 have

02:25:07.200 to

02:25:07.320 change

02:25:07.720 the

02:25:07.920 trajectory

02:25:08.340 from

02:25:08.740 retreat

02:25:09.260 to

02:25:10.300 holding

02:25:11.100 and

02:25:11.420 advancement

02:25:11.880 back

02:25:12.980 to

02:25:13.640 the

02:25:13.740 hosts

02:25:14.040 amazing

02:25:19.100 okay

02:25:19.620 did

02:25:19.920 we

02:25:20.160 have

02:25:20.600 runes

02:25:21.420 there

02:25:21.740 or

02:25:21.940 is

02:25:22.080 he

02:25:22.160 gone

02:25:22.300 I

02:25:22.880 think

02:25:23.080 he

02:25:23.180 may

02:25:23.300 have

02:25:23.440 dropped

02:25:23.680 down

02:25:23.940 but

02:25:24.280 emerald

02:25:25.000 has

02:25:25.320 their

02:25:25.520 hand

02:25:25.760 up

02:25:25.960 hello

02:25:31.660 and

02:25:32.160 thank

02:25:32.620 you

02:25:32.720 for

02:25:32.860 the

02:25:32.980 mark

02:25:33.300 just

02:25:35.380 wanted

02:25:35.560 to

02:25:35.740 say

02:25:35.900 hello

02:25:36.120 to

02:25:36.400 johannes

02:25:37.080 to

02:25:37.760 hear

02:25:38.780 you

02:25:39.020 speaking

02:25:39.460 up

02:25:39.680 here

02:25:39.860 in

02:25:40.000 the

02:25:40.340 spaces

02:25:40.720 again

02:25:41.140 also

02:25:42.660 a big

02:25:43.000 shout

02:25:43.260 out

02:25:43.460 to

02:25:43.680 mr

02:25:44.020 boy

02:25:44.520 thank

02:25:44.860 you

02:25:45.060 for

02:25:45.360 everything

02:25:45.920 that

02:25:46.500 you

02:25:46.700 sacrificed

02:25:47.140 in

02:25:47.480 your

02:25:47.600 life

02:25:47.880 to

02:25:48.180 help

02:25:48.780 you

02:25:50.100 know

02:25:50.260 against

02:25:51.200 everything

02:25:52.220 that's

02:25:52.500 happened

02:25:52.740 against

02:25:53.060 us

02:25:53.340 here

02:25:53.540 but

02:25:54.860 my

02:25:55.080 question

02:25:55.580 is

02:25:56.140 you

02:25:56.300 know

02:25:56.460 with

02:25:57.620 everything

02:25:58.960 that

02:25:59.260 johannes

02:25:59.700 says

02:26:00.080 it's

02:26:01.160 followed

02:26:01.520 in

02:26:01.720 everything

02:26:03.340 that

02:26:03.740 is

02:26:03.960 said

02:26:05.460 my

02:26:06.780 only

02:26:07.100 question

02:26:07.700 because

02:26:09.020 I get

02:26:09.260 this a

02:26:09.560 lot

02:26:09.780 you

02:26:09.960 know

02:26:11.060 my

02:26:11.320 own

02:26:11.540 individual

02:26:12.240 light

02:26:14.000 activism

02:26:14.580 if you

02:26:14.960 want to

02:26:15.200 call it

02:26:15.620 by myself

02:26:17.140 I try

02:26:18.180 and spread

02:26:18.800 the word

02:26:19.160 as much

02:26:19.540 as I

02:26:19.860 can

02:26:20.220 the one

02:26:21.780 question

02:26:22.140 I always

02:26:22.580 get

02:26:22.920 is

02:26:23.740 you know

02:26:24.080 is

02:26:24.440 if we

02:26:25.980 go to

02:26:26.940 call

02:26:27.240 South

02:26:27.480 Africa

02:26:27.820 a white

02:26:28.420 country

02:26:28.860 would

02:26:29.120 you

02:26:29.400 know

02:26:30.120 we

02:26:32.520 need to

02:26:34.000 take

02:26:34.260 back

02:26:34.540 that

02:26:34.800 power

02:26:35.260 so

02:26:37.060 that

02:26:37.240 we

02:26:37.400 can

02:26:37.560 have

02:26:37.820 our

02:26:38.080 nation

02:26:38.440 again

02:26:38.740 my

02:26:40.560 question

02:26:40.980 is

02:26:41.560 with

02:26:43.100 thinking

02:26:46.840 in

02:26:47.320 that

02:26:47.740 perspective

02:26:49.500 what

02:26:50.820 would

02:26:51.060 the

02:26:51.340 plan

02:26:51.760 be

02:26:52.120 if

02:26:52.600 we

02:26:53.120 took

02:26:53.540 back

02:26:53.820 this

02:26:54.100 nation

02:26:54.440 again

02:26:56.720 and

02:26:57.400 we

02:26:57.560 make

02:26:57.800 this

02:26:58.000 country

02:26:58.300 a

02:26:58.500 white

02:26:58.700 country

02:26:59.080 what

02:26:59.880 does

02:27:00.080 that

02:27:00.280 actually

02:27:00.620 mean

02:27:01.000 for

02:27:01.480 the

02:27:01.820 black

02:27:02.380 population

02:27:03.080 obviously

02:27:04.100 if we

02:27:04.520 accept

02:27:07.720 that

02:27:08.160 that's

02:27:08.980 going

02:27:09.160 to

02:27:09.400 already

02:27:09.720 it's

02:27:11.640 going

02:27:11.740 to

02:27:11.840 keep

02:27:12.000 off

02:27:12.200 with

02:27:12.420 a lot

02:27:12.620 of

02:27:12.740 violence

02:27:13.040 and

02:27:13.920 obviously

02:27:14.300 we

02:27:14.660 want

02:27:14.940 to

02:27:15.260 not

02:27:16.480 have

02:27:16.740 to

02:27:16.860 go

02:27:16.980 down

02:27:17.220 that

02:27:17.400 road

02:27:17.680 because

02:27:18.240 violence

02:27:18.820 will

02:27:19.000 ultimately

02:27:19.520 get

02:27:20.540 back

02:27:20.840 for

02:27:21.280 both

02:27:21.720 sides

02:27:22.180 because

02:27:23.020 there

02:27:23.320 will

02:27:23.400 be

02:27:23.580 on

02:27:23.960 both

02:27:24.240 sides

02:27:24.620 what

02:27:25.700 would

02:27:26.140 your

02:27:26.340 solution

02:27:26.740 be

02:27:27.180 to

02:27:27.520 that

02:27:28.280 because

02:27:29.220 I

02:27:30.280 don't

02:27:30.460 know

02:27:30.740 we

02:27:30.920 could

02:27:31.080 just

02:27:31.300 expel

02:27:31.860 all

02:27:32.140 that

02:27:32.320 obviously

02:27:33.520 you

02:27:34.360 can't

02:27:34.660 surely

02:27:34.920 kill

02:27:35.320 45

02:27:36.240 50

02:27:36.680 million

02:27:36.980 of

02:27:37.220 them

02:27:37.420 what

02:27:38.700 is

02:27:38.880 the

02:27:39.120 solution

02:27:39.560 to

02:27:39.860 that

02:27:40.060 how

02:27:40.520 do

02:27:40.880 we

02:27:41.160 look

02:27:42.300 at

02:27:42.460 this

02:27:42.720 in

02:27:42.900 a

02:27:43.000 way

02:27:43.180 we

02:27:43.440 say

02:27:44.020 cool

02:27:44.440 we're

02:27:45.740 going

02:27:45.860 to

02:27:45.960 take

02:27:46.160 back

02:27:46.400 our

02:27:46.580 country

02:27:47.060 and

02:27:48.900 if

02:27:49.540 we

02:27:49.700 don't

02:27:51.540 want

02:27:51.800 to

02:27:51.960 have

02:27:52.180 to

02:27:53.420 live

02:27:53.620 around

02:27:53.980 all

02:27:55.220 these

02:27:55.420 black

02:27:55.680 people

02:27:56.000 because

02:27:56.400 sometime

02:27:57.820 down

02:27:58.340 the

02:27:58.940 road

02:27:59.300 in

02:27:59.740 the

02:27:59.900 future

02:28:00.300 these

02:28:01.380 problems

02:28:01.760 are

02:28:01.920 just

02:28:02.100 going

02:28:02.280 to

02:28:02.440 re-emerge

02:28:03.000 again

02:28:03.260 where

02:28:03.520 we're

02:28:03.760 going

02:28:03.900 to

02:28:04.080 have

02:28:04.440 this

02:28:04.720 whole

02:28:05.040 uprising

02:28:05.660 of

02:28:06.280 racial

02:28:07.920 tension

02:28:08.460 and

02:28:09.080 it's

02:28:09.420 going

02:28:09.560 to

02:28:09.700 be

02:28:09.840 a

02:28:10.120 struggle

02:28:10.460 for

02:28:10.680 power

02:28:11.040 again

02:28:11.380 so

02:28:12.080 how

02:28:12.320 do

02:28:12.520 we

02:28:12.800 look at

02:28:13.660 this

02:28:13.860 and

02:28:14.020 say

02:28:14.200 okay

02:28:14.580 well

02:28:14.800 we're

02:28:15.020 taking

02:28:15.280 back

02:28:15.540 our

02:28:15.720 country

02:28:16.140 and

02:28:16.520 then

02:28:16.680 what

02:28:16.880 do

02:28:17.060 we

02:28:17.200 do

02:28:17.360 with

02:28:17.580 the

02:28:17.920 majority

02:28:19.080 that

02:28:19.340 is

02:28:19.500 already

02:28:19.800 here

02:28:20.160 well

02:28:23.260 I'm

02:28:24.020 assuming

02:28:24.340 that

02:28:24.600 you

02:28:24.740 posed

02:28:25.020 that

02:28:25.260 question

02:28:25.620 to

02:28:25.820 myself

02:28:26.360 yes

02:28:28.500 okay

02:28:30.140 so

02:28:30.460 well

02:28:34.200 obviously

02:28:34.720 I would

02:28:35.140 like

02:28:35.440 Mr.

02:28:35.880 Dutui

02:28:36.160 to

02:28:36.380 answer

02:28:36.700 that

02:28:36.940 but

02:28:37.100 I

02:28:37.340 would

02:28:37.460 also

02:28:37.740 like

02:28:38.000 to

02:28:38.140 answer

02:28:38.420 it

02:28:38.640 because

02:28:38.840 it

02:28:40.620 is

02:28:40.780 a

02:28:41.280 question

02:28:41.660 that

02:28:41.920 I

02:28:42.180 have

02:28:42.440 received

02:28:42.880 quite

02:28:43.320 a

02:28:43.820 lot

02:28:44.060 and

02:28:44.360 it's

02:28:44.680 a

02:28:45.120 topic

02:28:45.380 that

02:28:45.600 I

02:28:45.800 have

02:28:46.000 pondered

02:28:46.820 a

02:28:47.020 lot

02:28:47.240 I

02:28:48.520 do

02:28:50.340 think

02:28:50.840 that

02:28:52.080 we

02:28:53.060 shouldn't

02:28:53.620 get

02:28:54.060 hung

02:28:54.880 up

02:28:55.280 on

02:28:55.820 the

02:28:57.560 immediate

02:28:59.860 or

02:29:02.180 the

02:29:02.600 ultimate

02:29:03.140 solution

02:29:04.820 before

02:29:05.620 we

02:29:06.120 have

02:29:06.660 confronted

02:29:08.360 the

02:29:08.840 spiritual

02:29:09.280 solution

02:29:10.000 now

02:29:11.260 the

02:29:11.760 spiritual

02:29:12.200 solution

02:29:12.780 is

02:29:13.020 something

02:29:13.300 that

02:29:13.600 Dr.

02:29:14.000 Mike

02:29:14.220 Dutui

02:29:14.560 mentioned

02:29:16.720 little

02:29:17.060 earlier

02:29:17.620 when

02:29:18.220 he

02:29:18.380 said

02:29:18.720 we

02:29:19.140 have

02:29:19.400 to

02:29:19.600 understand

02:29:20.300 that

02:29:21.180 we

02:29:21.400 are

02:29:21.700 responsible

02:29:23.100 for

02:29:24.240 only

02:29:24.880 our

02:29:25.600 own

02:29:25.900 people

02:29:26.380 now

02:29:27.060 what

02:29:27.300 is

02:29:27.460 a

02:29:27.600 very

02:29:27.800 clear

02:29:28.260 indicator

02:29:29.060 that

02:29:30.120 we

02:29:30.720 as

02:29:31.100 white

02:29:31.520 people

02:29:31.980 whether

02:29:32.280 it be

02:29:32.580 in

02:29:32.720 South

02:29:32.880 Africa

02:29:33.220 or

02:29:33.620 abroad

02:29:34.000 are

02:29:34.860 not

02:29:35.240 spiritually

02:29:35.880 healed

02:29:36.460 already

02:29:37.160 for

02:29:38.080 what

02:29:38.380 is

02:29:38.600 to

02:29:38.780 come

02:29:39.060 is

02:29:39.260 the

02:29:39.440 fact

02:29:39.740 that

02:29:39.920 we

02:29:40.080 consider

02:29:40.860 the

02:29:41.860 black

02:29:42.180 people

02:29:42.720 in

02:29:43.720 this

02:29:43.980 equation

02:29:44.500 in

02:29:44.780 the

02:29:44.940 sense

02:29:45.200 that

02:29:45.460 what

02:29:45.780 happens

02:29:46.220 to

02:29:46.440 them

02:29:46.720 you

02:29:47.820 see

02:29:48.060 because

02:29:49.020 ultimately

02:29:49.760 they are

02:29:50.280 not

02:29:50.700 our

02:29:51.160 responsibility

02:29:52.060 and

02:29:53.000 that

02:29:53.260 that

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02:35:35.600 add

02:35:36.060 something

02:35:36.660 Johannes

02:35:38.540 now

02:35:38.920 explained

02:35:39.680 let's

02:35:41.520 say

02:35:41.780 the

02:35:42.100 white

02:35:42.420 viewpoint

02:35:43.020 I

02:35:44.180 would

02:35:44.380 like

02:35:44.660 to

02:35:44.900 mention

02:35:45.380 something

02:35:47.420 else

02:35:47.880 and

02:35:48.060 that

02:35:48.260 is

02:35:48.460 we

02:35:48.700 as

02:35:48.920 whites

02:35:49.420 believe

02:35:50.960 that

02:35:51.420 countries

02:35:53.180 are

02:35:53.640 stable

02:35:54.200 entities

02:35:54.960 with

02:35:55.340 rigid

02:35:56.120 borders

02:35:57.000 the

02:35:57.920 blacks

02:35:58.360 don't

02:35:58.960 believe

02:35:59.340 that

02:35:59.680 and

02:36:00.140 they

02:36:00.300 prove

02:36:00.680 it

02:36:00.860 on

02:36:01.020 a

02:36:01.200 daily

02:36:01.500 basis

02:36:01.980 that

02:36:02.780 it's

02:36:03.040 not

02:36:03.260 a

02:36:03.460 case

02:36:03.780 you

02:36:04.880 know

02:36:05.100 some

02:36:05.580 of

02:36:05.800 them

02:36:06.100 immigrate

02:36:07.760 to

02:36:07.960 South

02:36:08.240 Africa

02:36:08.700 from

02:36:09.040 as

02:36:09.980 far

02:36:10.400 north

02:36:10.940 as

02:36:11.680 Nigeria

02:36:12.420 and

02:36:12.960 Ethiopia

02:36:13.660 coming

02:36:15.200 here

02:36:15.780 working

02:36:16.680 here

02:36:17.160 still

02:36:17.780 and

02:36:18.740 then

02:36:19.100 go

02:36:20.120 back

02:36:20.380 to

02:36:20.560 their

02:36:20.760 countries

02:36:21.440 that

02:36:21.940 is

02:36:22.320 three

02:36:23.240 four

02:36:23.620 four

02:36:24.660 thousand

02:36:25.360 kilometers

02:36:26.420 from

02:36:26.880 here

02:36:27.220 something

02:36:29.080 else

02:36:29.760 Johannes

02:36:32.200 mentioned

02:36:32.940 Shaka

02:36:33.440 Zulu

02:36:33.940 he

02:36:37.180 lived

02:36:37.640 in

02:36:37.880 Natal

02:36:38.440 he

02:36:39.580 started

02:36:40.020 the

02:36:40.280 process

02:36:40.800 which

02:36:41.100 is

02:36:41.280 known

02:36:41.520 as

02:36:41.760 the

02:36:41.960 Mufakane

02:36:42.800 or

02:36:43.220 the

02:36:43.420 Difakane

02:36:44.160 where

02:36:45.800 he

02:36:46.080 and

02:36:46.360 a few

02:36:46.940 of

02:36:47.660 his

02:36:48.080 Zulu

02:36:49.660 one

02:36:51.800 would

02:36:52.100 call

02:36:52.640 them

02:36:53.020 comrades

02:36:55.520 started

02:36:56.520 attacking

02:36:57.060 other

02:36:57.440 black

02:36:57.760 people

02:36:58.240 and

02:36:59.140 those

02:36:59.460 people

02:37:00.000 ran

02:37:00.860 first

02:37:02.160 to

02:37:02.320 Transvaal

02:37:03.180 thereafter

02:37:03.920 to

02:37:04.920 current

02:37:08.980 Zimbabwe

02:37:10.100 so

02:37:12.520 black

02:37:12.980 people

02:37:13.460 are not

02:37:13.980 like

02:37:14.300 white

02:37:14.640 people

02:37:15.120 confined

02:37:15.920 to

02:37:16.400 specific

02:37:17.020 states

02:37:17.700 with

02:37:18.400 rigid

02:37:18.880 borders

02:37:19.560 the

02:37:20.380 moment

02:37:20.740 they

02:37:21.040 experience

02:37:21.840 a

02:37:22.120 problem

02:37:22.560 they

02:37:23.200 start

02:37:23.680 moving

02:37:24.240 they

02:37:25.120 start

02:37:25.520 running

02:37:25.920 away

02:37:26.440 we

02:37:29.200 should

02:37:29.480 keep

02:37:29.760 that

02:37:30.020 in

02:37:30.260 mind

02:37:30.720 at

02:37:32.760 the

02:37:32.920 moment

02:37:33.320 we

02:37:35.620 are

02:37:35.900 4

02:37:36.420 million

02:37:36.860 and

02:37:37.920 they

02:37:38.120 are

02:37:38.260 something

02:37:38.560 like

02:37:38.860 50

02:37:39.240 or

02:37:39.420 60

02:37:39.760 million

02:37:40.200 but

02:37:41.240 the

02:37:41.420 moment

02:37:41.700 they

02:37:41.980 start

02:37:42.340 experiencing

02:37:43.140 problems

02:37:44.000 they

02:37:45.520 will

02:37:45.840 go

02:37:46.180 and

02:37:46.460 find

02:37:46.840 other

02:37:47.260 places

02:37:48.260 to

02:37:48.520 stay

02:37:48.860 in

02:37:49.040 the

02:37:49.180 rest

02:37:49.420 of

02:37:49.640 Africa

02:37:50.140 that

02:37:55.120 is

02:37:55.320 amazing

02:37:55.840 I've

02:37:56.240 never

02:37:56.420 thought

02:37:56.740 about

02:37:57.040 that

02:37:57.380 that

02:37:57.900 is

02:37:58.100 so

02:37:58.720 well

02:37:58.980 said

02:37:59.280 Dr.

02:38:00.000 Mike

02:38:00.240 thank

02:38:00.560 you

02:38:00.680 for

02:38:00.820 that

02:38:01.040 insight

02:38:01.540 amazing

02:38:02.340 stuff

02:38:02.740 okay

02:38:03.280 so

02:38:03.880 let's

02:38:04.880 move

02:38:05.080 to

02:38:05.280 national

02:38:05.840 first

02:38:06.360 I

02:38:06.560 think

02:38:06.820 yeah

02:38:07.260 and then

02:38:07.720 go ahead

02:38:10.900 national

02:38:11.320 good

02:38:13.600 evening

02:38:13.940 everyone

02:38:14.340 hello

02:38:14.560 Johannes

02:38:14.860 I've been

02:38:16.000 listening

02:38:16.280 quite a

02:38:16.700 while

02:38:16.900 to

02:38:17.140 the

02:38:18.100 space

02:38:18.520 now

02:38:18.860 I

02:38:20.020 was

02:38:20.480 in the

02:38:21.340 last

02:38:21.700 years

02:38:22.300 of

02:38:22.620 86

02:38:23.380 87

02:38:24.180 88

02:38:24.880 in the

02:38:25.220 defense

02:38:25.600 force

02:38:25.940 when we

02:38:26.420 were

02:38:26.640 called

02:38:26.940 back

02:38:27.280 back

02:38:27.300 from

02:38:27.620 Angola

02:38:28.180 into

02:38:29.140 South

02:38:29.420 Africa

02:38:29.820 and

02:38:30.140 when

02:38:30.360 the

02:38:30.560 whole

02:38:30.760 change

02:38:31.100 came

02:38:31.380 along

02:38:31.720 with

02:38:32.020 the

02:38:32.300 new

02:38:33.140 government

02:38:33.660 and

02:38:33.960 everything

02:38:34.340 I

02:38:34.560 was

02:38:34.740 still

02:38:35.060 young

02:38:36.420 lad

02:38:36.780 20

02:38:37.120 years

02:38:37.400 old

02:38:37.720 and

02:38:37.880 we

02:38:38.500 couldn't

02:38:38.980 understand

02:38:39.440 what was

02:38:39.860 actually

02:38:40.200 happening

02:38:40.640 we know

02:38:41.900 there was

02:38:42.320 a voting

02:38:42.760 system

02:38:43.220 yes

02:38:43.560 no vote

02:38:44.120 system

02:38:44.560 and

02:38:44.940 we

02:38:47.660 didn't

02:38:48.240 understand

02:38:48.700 what

02:38:48.980 is

02:38:49.480 going

02:38:49.620 to

02:38:49.720 happen

02:38:49.940 and

02:38:50.080 what

02:38:50.220 is

02:38:50.360 coming

02:38:50.620 and

02:38:51.100 what

02:38:51.860 we

02:38:52.000 will

02:38:52.140 end

02:38:52.380 up

02:38:52.580 at

02:38:52.720 the

02:38:52.840 end

02:38:52.960 of

02:38:53.080 the

02:38:53.140 day

02:38:53.260 where

02:38:53.440 we

02:38:53.560 are

02:38:53.720 today

02:38:54.120 but

02:38:54.860 what

02:38:55.140 we

02:38:55.600 did

02:38:55.860 understand

02:38:56.680 now

02:38:57.660 today

02:38:58.180 is

02:38:58.680 that

02:38:59.020 there

02:38:59.460 will

02:39:00.260 be

02:39:00.560 a fight

02:39:02.540 a civil

02:39:03.140 war

02:39:03.420 coming

02:39:03.680 in

02:39:03.860 our

02:39:04.060 country

02:39:04.440 it

02:39:04.720 will

02:39:04.880 be

02:39:05.020 like

02:39:05.280 that

02:39:05.560 Ananda

02:39:06.600 said

02:39:06.980 earlier

02:39:07.320 on

02:39:07.520 today

02:39:07.780 his son

02:39:08.180 is 15

02:39:08.700 years

02:39:08.960 old

02:39:09.260 still

02:39:09.900 a young

02:39:10.260 boy

02:39:10.540 I

02:39:11.080 was

02:39:11.340 17

02:39:12.520 when I

02:39:12.960 went

02:39:13.160 to the

02:39:13.380 defense

02:39:13.720 force

02:39:14.080 I

02:39:14.420 was

02:39:14.580 18

02:39:14.960 when I

02:39:15.260 was

02:39:15.460 on

02:39:15.580 the

02:39:15.720 border

02:39:15.980 already

02:39:16.420 so

02:39:17.220 it's

02:39:17.420 all

02:39:17.580 a

02:39:17.720 mindset

02:39:18.080 type

02:39:18.500 of

02:39:18.660 thing

02:39:18.920 if

02:39:20.040 you

02:39:20.440 true

02:39:21.080 real

02:39:21.960 heart

02:39:22.300 Afrikaner

02:39:22.980 and

02:39:23.080 your

02:39:23.240 racial

02:39:23.520 boys

02:39:24.040 the

02:39:24.260 right

02:39:24.480 way

02:39:24.840 they

02:39:26.200 will

02:39:26.380 fight

02:39:26.720 and

02:39:27.140 they

02:39:27.320 won't

02:39:27.560 sit

02:39:27.740 back

02:39:28.000 and

02:39:28.160 just

02:39:28.320 let

02:39:28.480 everything

02:39:28.760 happen

02:39:29.080 the way

02:39:29.380 it's

02:39:29.540 happening

02:39:29.820 now

02:39:30.200 I

02:39:30.980 fully

02:39:31.220 agree

02:39:31.520 with

02:39:31.760 you

02:39:31.900 honest

02:39:32.180 that

02:39:32.440 this

02:39:32.660 is

02:39:32.860 our

02:39:33.080 country

02:39:33.520 it's

02:39:34.040 been

02:39:34.200 our

02:39:34.420 country

02:39:34.700 for

02:39:34.900 400

02:39:35.300 years

02:39:35.820 that

02:39:37.320 the

02:39:37.560 other

02:39:37.880 nations

02:39:38.320 has

02:39:38.580 moved

02:39:38.940 into

02:39:39.700 our

02:39:39.980 country

02:39:40.320 from

02:39:40.560 the

02:39:40.780 north

02:39:41.080 now

02:39:42.300 claiming

02:39:42.740 our

02:39:43.000 land

02:39:43.340 and

02:39:44.120 unfortunately

02:39:44.760 we

02:39:45.240 let it

02:39:45.540 happen

02:39:45.860 and

02:39:46.560 we

02:39:47.120 only

02:39:47.320 have

02:39:47.500 ourselves

02:39:47.860 to

02:39:48.060 blame

02:39:48.280 for

02:39:48.520 it

02:39:48.700 but

02:39:49.340 I

02:39:49.500 do

02:39:49.680 believe

02:39:50.060 that

02:39:50.340 the

02:39:50.600 Afrikaner

02:39:51.140 must

02:39:51.400 stay

02:39:51.640 behind

02:39:52.040 and

02:39:52.520 prepare

02:39:53.440 itself

02:39:53.880 for

02:39:54.060 the

02:39:54.180 fight

02:39:54.420 that

02:39:54.580 is

02:39:54.720 coming

02:39:55.020 thank

02:40:02.080 you

02:40:02.200 very

02:40:02.420 much

02:40:02.840 really

02:40:04.080 appreciated

02:40:04.620 that

02:40:04.880 Mike

02:40:05.260 you

02:40:05.540 can

02:40:05.720 go

02:40:05.980 I

02:40:07.720 just

02:40:08.020 want

02:40:08.260 to

02:40:08.380 say

02:40:08.640 I

02:40:08.880 agree

02:40:09.580 100%

02:40:10.640 with

02:40:10.880 what

02:40:11.160 you

02:40:11.340 have

02:40:11.540 said

02:40:11.940 okay

02:40:20.560 can I

02:40:22.860 speak

02:40:23.160 sorry

02:40:23.680 I

02:40:25.220 want

02:40:25.420 to

02:40:25.580 speak

02:40:25.840 to

02:40:26.020 the

02:40:26.220 spiritual

02:40:27.020 kind

02:40:28.360 of

02:40:28.560 battle

02:40:28.860 because

02:40:29.180 I've

02:40:29.500 been

02:40:29.640 pondering

02:40:30.040 it

02:40:30.200 all

02:40:30.380 the

02:40:30.500 way

02:40:30.680 around

02:40:31.040 and

02:40:32.200 yes

02:40:32.980 it's

02:40:33.280 like

02:40:33.600 this

02:40:34.040 uprising

02:40:35.400 you can

02:40:35.980 feel

02:40:36.280 it

02:40:36.400 happening

02:40:36.800 we

02:40:37.140 live

02:40:37.420 here

02:40:37.640 I

02:40:37.820 live

02:40:38.000 in

02:40:38.120 Pretoria

02:40:38.580 so

02:40:38.920 it's

02:40:39.240 Sturabur

02:40:40.060 kind

02:40:40.560 of

02:40:40.700 county

02:40:41.160 and

02:40:42.300 town

02:40:43.480 and

02:40:44.780 you

02:40:44.940 can

02:40:45.080 feel

02:40:45.360 it

02:40:45.500 you

02:40:45.600 can

02:40:45.740 feel

02:40:45.960 it

02:40:46.100 in

02:40:46.200 the

02:40:46.360 streets

02:40:46.700 and

02:40:46.920 stuff

02:40:47.220 and

02:40:47.520 in

02:40:47.920 the

02:40:48.080 bartering

02:40:48.600 and

02:40:48.820 on

02:40:49.280 X

02:40:49.840 and

02:40:50.060 when

02:40:50.240 we

02:40:50.400 do

02:40:50.600 have

02:40:50.860 these

02:40:51.100 discussions

02:40:51.660 and

02:40:52.480 what

02:40:52.660 I

02:40:52.820 found

02:40:53.200 is

02:40:53.580 every

02:40:53.860 time

02:40:54.420 there

02:40:55.240 is

02:40:55.440 this

02:40:55.680 thing

02:40:55.900 about

02:40:56.240 ancestors

02:40:56.960 and

02:40:57.360 reprimation

02:40:58.140 and

02:40:58.480 giving

02:40:59.220 back

02:40:59.700 and

02:41:00.000 the

02:41:00.380 feeding

02:41:00.760 of

02:41:01.120 the

02:41:01.300 ancestors

02:41:01.900 the

02:41:02.180 minute

02:41:02.380 you

02:41:02.740 hush

02:41:03.560 the

02:41:03.860 people

02:41:04.300 and

02:41:04.620 tell

02:41:04.900 them

02:41:05.300 that

02:41:06.460 be

02:41:09.300 quiet

02:41:09.700 don't

02:41:10.040 wake

02:41:10.260 my

02:41:10.520 ancestors

02:41:11.140 there's

02:41:12.360 a fear

02:41:12.820 that

02:41:13.120 comes

02:41:13.480 over

02:41:13.960 the

02:41:14.220 majority

02:41:14.600 of

02:41:14.920 the

02:41:15.060 black

02:41:15.440 that

02:41:16.220 I've

02:41:16.460 not

02:41:16.680 seen

02:41:16.960 before

02:41:17.420 because

02:41:18.060 the

02:41:18.680 thing

02:41:18.920 is

02:41:19.200 it's

02:41:19.640 it's

02:41:19.900 fine

02:41:20.240 fair

02:41:20.580 and

02:41:20.720 well

02:41:20.900 to

02:41:21.100 play

02:41:21.360 in

02:41:21.520 that

02:41:21.740 spiritual

02:41:22.140 space

02:41:22.820 but

02:41:23.780 but

02:41:23.800 we

02:41:24.060 know

02:41:24.280 what

02:41:24.480 happened

02:41:24.920 we

02:41:25.340 know

02:41:25.540 what

02:41:25.720 power

02:41:26.040 we

02:41:26.280 have

02:41:26.620 there

02:41:27.840 especially

02:41:28.540 and

02:41:29.780 I

02:41:30.360 don't

02:41:30.700 think

02:41:30.980 the

02:41:31.180 Afrikaner

02:41:31.800 is

02:41:32.000 calling

02:41:32.380 up

02:41:32.780 our

02:41:33.700 ancestors

02:41:34.640 enough

02:41:35.900 I look

02:41:36.720 at it

02:41:37.000 I look

02:41:37.420 around

02:41:37.880 but

02:41:38.160 there's

02:41:38.620 some

02:41:38.780 of

02:41:38.920 the

02:41:39.060 Buddha

02:41:39.320 that

02:41:40.200 is

02:41:40.460 speaking

02:41:40.900 about

02:41:41.440 the

02:41:42.060 old

02:41:42.580 even

02:41:44.320 the

02:41:44.600 old

02:41:44.820 contracts

02:41:45.360 that

02:41:45.540 were

02:41:45.680 signed

02:41:46.000 with

02:41:46.180 the

02:41:46.360 Zulus

02:41:46.620 and

02:41:47.480 I

02:41:47.680 think

02:41:47.880 that's

02:41:48.220 why

02:41:48.420 the

02:41:48.660 Afrikaner

02:41:49.360 and

02:41:50.360 the

02:41:50.660 Buddha

02:41:50.860 will

02:41:51.060 have

02:41:51.300 a lot

02:41:51.520 of

02:41:51.640 respect

02:41:51.980 for

02:41:52.200 the

02:41:52.360 Zulu

02:41:52.580 and

02:41:53.360 what's

02:41:53.660 happening

02:41:54.020 now

02:41:54.320 with

02:41:54.520 the

02:41:54.660 Zulu

02:41:54.880 king

02:41:55.300 at

02:41:55.880 the

02:41:56.020 moment

02:41:56.440 and

02:41:57.180 the

02:41:57.320 ANC

02:41:57.840 he's

02:41:58.300 in

02:41:58.460 court

02:41:58.720 at

02:41:58.900 the

02:41:59.020 moment

02:41:59.380 and

02:41:59.740 they

02:41:59.920 want

02:42:00.120 to

02:42:00.220 dethrone

02:42:00.660 him

02:42:00.940 and

02:42:02.260 I've

02:42:02.840 been

02:42:03.040 watching

02:42:03.860 the

02:42:04.120 Zulus

02:42:04.360 for

02:42:04.600 quite

02:42:04.840 a

02:42:04.980 while

02:42:05.200 now

02:42:05.520 it

02:42:06.020 was

02:42:06.160 almost

02:42:06.460 the

02:42:06.660 Zulu

02:42:06.860 queen

02:42:07.240 I

02:42:08.040 think

02:42:08.300 that

02:42:08.480 would

02:42:08.620 have

02:42:08.740 changed

02:42:09.100 the

02:42:09.300 demographic

02:42:10.020 a

02:42:10.340 lot

02:42:10.620 but

02:42:11.420 it

02:42:11.660 seems

02:42:12.040 that

02:42:12.340 Trump

02:42:12.700 knows

02:42:13.960 about

02:42:14.380 this

02:42:14.640 because

02:42:14.960 there

02:42:15.200 was

02:42:15.340 two

02:42:15.600 people

02:42:15.960 that

02:42:16.240 acted

02:42:16.660 immediately

02:42:17.420 after

02:42:18.420 the

02:42:18.820 land

02:42:19.420 reform

02:42:19.920 law

02:42:20.660 was

02:42:20.920 signed

02:42:21.240 by

02:42:21.480 Ramaphosa

02:42:22.140 and

02:42:22.960 it

02:42:23.140 was

02:42:23.600 the

02:42:23.960 Zulu

02:42:24.200 king

02:42:24.560 that

02:42:25.480 fired

02:42:25.820 his

02:42:26.020 whole

02:42:26.180 board

02:42:26.940 and

02:42:29.940 Trump

02:42:30.580 because

02:42:31.720 it

02:42:32.060 seems

02:42:32.400 like

02:42:32.720 he

02:42:33.160 knows

02:42:33.620 that

02:42:33.880 the

02:42:34.060 Zulus

02:42:34.260 are

02:42:34.520 rising

02:42:34.860 up

02:42:35.180 and

02:42:36.340 if

02:42:36.720 we

02:42:37.220 can

02:42:37.560 actually

02:42:38.040 kind

02:42:38.480 of

02:42:38.640 harness

02:42:39.100 that

02:42:39.460 power

02:42:39.900 because

02:42:41.460 they

02:42:41.800 were

02:42:41.960 just

02:42:42.160 one

02:42:42.420 by

02:42:42.680 Zulu

02:42:42.880 Natal

02:42:43.320 then

02:42:46.280 it

02:42:46.540 would

02:42:46.680 be

02:42:46.840 a

02:42:47.000 different

02:42:47.420 game

02:42:49.160 because

02:42:49.480 that's

02:42:50.140 14

02:42:50.760 million

02:42:51.180 Zulus

02:42:51.660 I

02:42:54.020 don't

02:42:54.160 know

02:42:54.300 what

02:42:54.500 your

02:42:54.760 ideas

02:42:56.340 about

02:42:56.660 that

02:42:57.620 Nanda

02:43:04.200 was

02:43:04.420 that

02:43:04.620 question

02:43:04.900 for

02:43:05.080 me

02:43:05.300 any

02:43:08.420 person

02:43:08.800 that

02:43:09.020 can

02:43:09.180 answer

02:43:09.580 it

02:43:09.900 when

02:43:12.680 we

02:43:12.840 talk

02:43:13.100 about

02:43:13.440 the

02:43:13.620 Zulu

02:43:13.860 the

02:43:14.100 reason

02:43:14.400 the

02:43:14.620 Boer

02:43:14.880 had

02:43:15.040 so

02:43:15.200 much

02:43:15.380 respect

02:43:15.760 for

02:43:15.960 the

02:43:16.120 Zulu

02:43:16.340 was

02:43:16.760 because

02:43:17.060 of

02:43:17.340 all

02:43:17.500 the

02:43:17.660 wars

02:43:17.960 we

02:43:18.140 had

02:43:18.300 with

02:43:18.480 the

02:43:18.620 Zulu

02:43:18.860 and

02:43:19.900 what

02:43:20.200 Shaka

02:43:20.540 did

02:43:20.840 I

02:43:21.040 mean

02:43:21.260 like

02:43:22.300 you

02:43:22.440 honest

02:43:22.640 Shaka

02:43:23.060 is a

02:43:23.360 big

02:43:23.520 fan

02:43:23.820 of

02:43:23.980 mine

02:43:24.220 for

02:43:24.480 various

02:43:24.860 reasons

02:43:25.240 for

02:43:25.420 what

02:43:25.620 he

02:43:25.740 has

02:43:25.920 done

02:43:26.200 but

02:43:28.440 we

02:43:28.760 know

02:43:29.420 what

02:43:29.660 it

02:43:30.160 was

02:43:30.500 all

02:43:30.740 about

02:43:31.080 but

02:43:31.520 in

02:43:31.920 my

02:43:32.220 opinion

02:43:32.680 the

02:43:33.660 Zulu

02:43:33.940 and

02:43:34.540 the

02:43:34.760 Boer

02:43:35.080 don't

02:43:35.560 love

02:43:35.800 one

02:43:35.980 another

02:43:36.240 so

02:43:36.520 much

02:43:36.940 that

02:43:37.420 they

02:43:37.580 will

02:43:37.740 actually

02:43:38.100 fight

02:43:38.440 together

02:43:38.780 in

02:43:38.920 a

02:43:39.060 war

02:43:39.260 against

02:43:39.620 the

02:43:39.840 Korsal

02:43:40.300 or

02:43:40.500 any

02:43:41.900 other

02:43:42.180 nation

02:43:42.640 the

02:43:43.460 Zulu

02:43:43.740 is a

02:43:45.020 nation

02:43:45.300 that

02:43:45.520 will

02:43:45.660 fight

02:43:46.640 for

02:43:46.840 themselves

02:43:47.300 and

02:43:48.020 the

02:43:48.180 Boer

02:43:48.380 is a

02:43:48.660 nation

02:43:48.900 that

02:43:49.100 will

02:43:49.220 fight

02:43:49.460 for

02:43:49.620 themselves

02:43:50.060 that's

02:43:50.820 what

02:43:50.940 we

02:43:51.140 believe

02:43:51.540 and

02:43:51.800 that's

02:43:52.000 what

02:43:52.120 I

02:43:52.300 believe

02:43:52.620 it's

02:43:53.680 a white

02:43:54.840 thing

02:43:55.160 and

02:43:55.600 I

02:43:55.740 think

02:43:55.960 it's

02:43:56.180 the

02:43:56.380 white

02:43:56.660 people

02:43:56.980 in

02:43:57.160 South

02:43:57.300 Africa

02:43:57.600 that

02:43:57.860 needs

02:43:58.120 to

02:43:58.280 get

02:43:58.440 together

02:43:58.840 and

02:43:59.100 needs

02:43:59.340 to

02:43:59.480 realize

02:43:59.780 what

02:44:00.000 is

02:44:00.120 happening

02:44:00.480 and

02:44:01.460 it

02:44:01.820 needs

02:44:02.080 to

02:44:02.700 gear

02:44:02.940 up

02:44:03.380 to

02:44:03.800 what

02:44:04.060 is

02:44:04.320 going

02:44:04.480 to

02:44:04.600 happen

02:44:04.860 because

02:44:05.220 it's

02:44:05.440 unavoidable

02:44:06.140 it is

02:44:06.520 going

02:44:06.700 to

02:44:06.800 happen

02:44:07.060 it's

02:44:07.280 going

02:44:08.160 to

02:44:08.280 take

02:44:08.460 just

02:44:08.660 a

02:44:08.800 couple

02:44:09.020 of

02:44:09.200 years

02:44:09.460 maybe

02:44:09.780 less

02:44:10.440 than

02:44:10.600 five

02:44:10.900 years

02:44:11.160 I

02:44:11.360 suspect

02:44:11.940 and

02:44:13.180 the

02:44:13.700 chips

02:44:13.940 must

02:44:14.160 fall

02:44:14.380 I

02:44:15.220 believe

02:44:15.600 we

02:44:15.800 will

02:44:15.980 win

02:44:16.260 I

02:44:18.420 think

02:44:18.700 we

02:44:18.840 have

02:44:24.840 black

02:44:26.040 people

02:44:26.420 they

02:44:26.860 swarm

02:44:27.280 they

02:44:28.020 work

02:44:28.360 in

02:44:28.540 a

02:44:28.720 swarm

02:44:29.000 like

02:44:29.260 a

02:44:29.400 swarm

02:44:29.640 of

02:44:29.860 bees

02:44:30.280 that's

02:44:30.620 how

02:44:30.760 they

02:44:30.880 work

02:44:31.220 but

02:44:31.920 as

02:44:32.100 soon

02:44:32.300 as

02:44:32.460 you

02:44:32.600 kill

02:44:32.940 the

02:44:33.140 queen

02:44:33.400 or

02:44:33.600 you

02:44:33.760 kill

02:44:34.140 any

02:44:35.860 important

02:44:36.900 leader

02:44:37.680 of

02:44:37.960 them

02:44:38.160 they

02:44:38.720 scatter

02:44:39.160 they

02:44:39.900 run

02:44:40.120 away

02:44:40.500 they

02:44:40.860 are

02:44:41.280 very

02:44:41.460 cowardice

02:44:42.220 they

02:44:42.500 like

02:44:43.240 to

02:44:43.440 swarm

02:44:43.820 you

02:44:44.100 which

02:44:45.260 will

02:44:45.440 be

02:44:45.580 much

02:44:46.140 to

02:44:46.300 our

02:44:46.440 benefit

02:44:46.820 we

02:44:47.060 will

02:44:47.220 love

02:44:48.040 that

02:44:48.360 that

02:44:48.920 is

02:44:49.060 what

02:44:49.220 the

02:44:49.420 plan

02:44:49.700 is

02:44:49.960 to

02:44:50.660 swarm

02:44:51.060 us

02:44:51.300 and

02:44:51.460 try

02:44:51.740 to

02:44:52.820 get

02:44:53.180 the

02:44:53.340 genocide

02:44:53.680 thing

02:44:54.080 going

02:44:54.400 we

02:44:54.600 love

02:44:54.840 swarming

02:44:55.280 we

02:44:55.560 will

02:44:55.740 know

02:44:55.880 how

02:44:56.060 to

02:44:56.160 defend

02:44:56.460 ourselves

02:44:56.900 but

02:44:57.180 yeah

02:44:57.440 with

02:44:57.780 the

02:44:58.040 Zulu

02:44:59.720 that

02:45:00.960 2.8

02:45:02.960 million

02:45:03.240 hectares

02:45:03.680 of land

02:45:04.260 is

02:45:05.240 Zulu

02:45:06.560 land

02:45:06.940 that

02:45:07.380 land

02:45:07.740 was

02:45:08.020 given

02:45:08.280 to

02:45:08.520 the

02:45:08.700 Zulu

02:45:08.960 just

02:45:09.900 before

02:45:10.420 apartheid

02:45:11.220 ended

02:45:11.560 it

02:45:12.180 was

02:45:12.340 a

02:45:12.500 contract

02:45:12.820 signed

02:45:13.200 between

02:45:13.480 the

02:45:14.260 national

02:45:14.600 party

02:45:15.100 and

02:45:15.980 the

02:45:16.140 Zulus

02:45:16.380 that

02:45:17.060 no

02:45:17.260 matter

02:45:17.460 what

02:45:17.760 happened

02:45:18.120 that

02:45:18.420 land

02:45:18.700 will

02:45:18.880 belong

02:45:19.180 to

02:45:19.360 the

02:45:19.500 Zulu

02:45:19.660 so

02:45:19.880 it

02:45:20.000 was

02:45:20.140 given

02:45:20.380 to

02:45:20.600 them

02:45:20.820 and

02:45:21.800 they

02:45:22.440 will

02:45:22.620 fight

02:45:22.920 to

02:45:23.060 the

02:45:23.180 end

02:45:24.020 to

02:45:24.200 keep

02:45:24.680 that

02:45:24.940 land

02:45:25.260 they

02:45:25.700 won't

02:45:25.940 give

02:45:26.480 it

02:45:26.620 up

02:45:26.840 but

02:45:27.780 there

02:45:28.460 will

02:45:28.660 come

02:45:28.880 a

02:45:29.060 time

02:45:29.340 if

02:45:29.580 we

02:45:29.720 want

02:45:29.860 to

02:45:29.980 take

02:45:30.180 South

02:45:30.400 Africa

02:45:30.820 that

02:45:31.780 we

02:45:32.000 and

02:45:32.160 the

02:45:32.300 Zulus

02:45:32.600 we

02:45:33.000 will

02:45:33.180 class

02:45:33.460 again

02:45:33.820 I

02:45:34.240 think

02:45:34.500 it's

02:45:34.740 just

02:45:34.920 what

02:45:35.120 will

02:45:35.260 happen

02:45:35.560 and

02:45:36.900 and

02:45:36.920 and

02:45:36.940 and

02:45:36.960 and

02:45:37.220 and

02:45:37.240 and

02:45:37.500 and

02:45:37.580 and

02:45:37.600 and

02:45:37.620 I

02:45:37.820 think

02:45:38.040 we

02:45:38.220 shall

02:45:38.360 overcome

02:45:38.740 that

02:45:39.020 as

02:45:39.200 well

02:45:39.420 um

02:45:41.860 I

02:45:42.140 just

02:45:42.380 wanted

02:45:42.600 to

02:45:43.100 I

02:45:43.540 find

02:45:43.800 I

02:45:43.920 just

02:45:44.100 find

02:45:44.300 it

02:45:44.440 interesting

02:45:44.820 national

02:45:45.420 republican

02:45:45.960 party

02:45:46.380 um

02:45:47.400 that

02:45:48.140 any

02:45:48.400 of

02:45:48.540 the

02:45:48.640 videos

02:45:48.980 or

02:45:49.300 anything

02:45:49.600 that

02:45:49.860 we

02:45:50.020 see

02:45:50.620 regarding

02:45:51.240 you

02:45:51.720 know

02:45:51.840 blacks

02:45:52.320 here

02:45:52.760 in

02:45:52.920 North

02:45:53.140 America

02:45:53.520 that's

02:45:53.960 exactly

02:45:54.380 how

02:45:54.680 they

02:45:54.860 act

02:45:55.220 as

02:45:55.420 well

02:45:55.680 they're

02:45:56.340 very

02:45:56.580 cowardly

02:45:57.360 um

02:45:58.020 in

02:45:58.400 single

02:45:58.760 units

02:45:59.300 but

02:46:00.060 they're

02:46:00.460 very

02:46:00.680 tribal

02:46:01.200 but

02:46:01.520 like

02:46:01.840 but

02:46:02.120 not

02:46:02.340 tribal

02:46:02.700 in a

02:46:02.960 good

02:46:03.100 sense

02:46:03.580 yeah

02:46:03.960 yeah

02:46:04.540 they're

02:46:04.920 very

02:46:05.140 dangerous

02:46:05.620 once

02:46:06.060 they're

02:46:06.280 in

02:46:06.420 packs

02:46:06.860 so

02:46:07.480 there's

02:46:08.680 just

02:46:08.860 commonalities

02:46:09.820 uh

02:46:11.100 did I

02:46:11.680 miss

02:46:11.900 hands

02:46:12.340 because

02:46:12.720 I

02:46:12.880 can't

02:46:13.180 see

02:46:13.380 anything

02:46:13.680 on my

02:46:13.960 screen

02:46:14.380 well

02:46:15.000 nationals

02:46:15.460 hands up

02:46:15.840 but

02:46:15.960 I

02:46:16.080 think

02:46:16.340 that's

02:46:16.540 from

02:46:16.700 before

02:46:17.000 um

02:46:18.420 yeah

02:46:18.860 I

02:46:18.980 don't

02:46:19.080 know

02:46:19.180 if

02:46:19.320 anybody

02:46:19.580 else

02:46:20.080 had

02:46:20.740 their

02:46:20.860 hand

02:46:20.980 Ananda

02:46:21.340 did

02:46:21.540 you

02:46:21.640 have

02:46:21.900 anything

02:46:22.140 to

02:46:22.380 respond

02:46:22.780 or

02:46:22.940 did

02:46:23.120 you

02:46:23.220 just

02:46:23.580 um

02:46:26.100 not

02:46:26.380 really

02:46:26.780 but

02:46:27.180 I

02:46:27.700 know

02:46:27.980 that

02:46:28.260 the

02:46:28.960 Zulus

02:46:29.740 or not

02:46:30.600 the

02:46:30.760 Zulus

02:46:31.020 any

02:46:31.460 African

02:46:31.920 at the

02:46:32.320 moment

02:46:32.700 because

02:46:33.520 there's

02:46:33.800 got this

02:46:34.320 very

02:46:34.800 strong

02:46:35.380 forefather

02:46:36.120 thing

02:46:36.480 happening

02:46:36.940 especially

02:46:37.440 if we're

02:46:37.800 talking

02:46:38.060 about a

02:46:38.600 spiritual

02:46:38.980 space

02:46:39.560 that

02:46:40.500 maybe

02:46:40.880 we have

02:46:41.340 to enter

02:46:41.720 that

02:46:42.020 space

02:46:42.400 a bit

02:46:42.660 more

02:46:42.960 because

02:46:43.500 their

02:46:44.300 battle

02:46:44.720 and that's

02:46:45.200 why they

02:46:45.560 swarm

02:46:45.940 to such

02:46:46.460 an

02:46:46.640 extent

02:46:46.960 it's

02:46:47.400 like

02:46:47.600 this

02:46:47.820 blood

02:46:48.140 lust

02:46:48.540 or

02:46:49.300 a

02:46:49.940 forefather

02:46:50.520 that

02:46:50.840 needs

02:46:51.120 to be

02:46:51.380 appeased

02:46:51.960 um

02:46:52.960 the minute

02:46:53.380 we call

02:46:53.900 on our

02:46:54.400 forefathers

02:46:55.000 it seems

02:46:55.560 to hush

02:46:56.220 them up

02:46:56.660 very

02:46:56.860 quickly

02:46:57.260 and then

02:46:57.660 they run

02:46:58.040 scared

02:46:58.500 so then

02:46:59.420 that

02:46:59.660 psychological

02:47:00.240 battle

02:47:00.860 I find

02:47:02.040 especially

02:47:02.540 being a

02:47:02.940 woman

02:47:03.140 having to

02:47:03.720 kind of

02:47:04.060 battle

02:47:04.440 a lot

02:47:06.020 of these

02:47:06.420 kind of

02:47:07.560 daily

02:47:08.240 things

02:47:08.820 the minute

02:47:09.300 you call

02:47:10.060 on your

02:47:10.400 forefathers

02:47:11.040 they tend

02:47:11.760 to back

02:47:12.400 off

02:47:12.780 very quickly

02:47:13.940 because

02:47:14.300 clearly

02:47:14.700 our

02:47:14.960 forefathers

02:47:15.480 were like

02:47:16.060 animals

02:47:17.620 or I

02:47:19.000 don't know

02:47:19.260 what to

02:47:19.540 say

02:47:19.780 Vikings

02:47:20.660 or something

02:47:21.540 fierce

02:47:22.340 yeah

02:47:23.140 well the

02:47:23.580 propaganda

02:47:23.920 has been

02:47:24.820 really

02:47:25.380 pretty much

02:47:25.940 targeted

02:47:26.300 towards a

02:47:26.820 certain

02:47:27.080 group of

02:47:27.540 people

02:47:27.840 right

02:47:28.180 and it's

02:47:28.880 been

02:47:29.020 targeted

02:47:29.380 hard

02:47:29.720 yeah

02:47:30.460 so

02:47:30.840 yes

02:47:32.400 and I

02:47:33.080 think

02:47:33.300 what's

02:47:33.560 happening

02:47:33.820 on the

02:47:34.140 farms

02:47:34.460 as well

02:47:35.040 there is

02:47:36.240 this kind

02:47:36.800 of blood

02:47:37.260 lust

02:47:37.660 for the

02:47:38.440 killing

02:47:39.500 of the

02:47:39.920 Buddha

02:47:40.200 it's got

02:47:41.300 a lot

02:47:41.740 to do

02:47:42.180 with

02:47:42.440 this

02:47:42.700 appeasing

02:47:43.320 the

02:47:43.560 forefathers

02:47:44.300 and the

02:47:45.820 amount

02:47:46.200 of

02:47:46.540 if I

02:47:47.720 say to

02:47:48.100 them

02:47:48.300 that

02:47:48.600 the amount

02:47:49.760 of blood

02:47:50.260 your

02:47:50.560 forefathers

02:47:51.260 would need

02:47:51.880 will never

02:47:52.320 be ending

02:47:52.900 it's

02:47:54.760 a constant

02:47:55.540 feeding

02:47:56.280 of that

02:47:57.120 but the

02:47:58.020 minute you

02:47:58.580 play in

02:47:59.680 that space

02:48:00.700 then they

02:48:01.620 really run

02:48:02.460 scared

02:48:02.860 they really

02:48:03.480 run

02:48:03.760 scared

02:48:04.180 well I

02:48:05.580 don't know

02:48:05.820 they're very

02:48:06.200 superstitious

02:48:07.080 too

02:48:07.540 um

02:48:08.920 Nanya

02:48:09.780 welcome

02:48:10.300 to the

02:48:10.660 floor

02:48:11.000 hey

02:48:12.160 Nanya

02:48:12.440 it's been

02:48:12.760 a while

02:48:13.160 yeah

02:48:15.040 thanks for

02:48:15.480 the mic

02:48:15.800 I appreciate

02:48:16.380 it

02:48:16.600 white power

02:48:17.080 I'd like

02:48:17.700 to thank

02:48:18.000 the panelists

02:48:18.440 listeners

02:48:18.900 Johannes

02:48:19.540 and Dr.

02:48:20.260 Mike

02:48:20.400 for being

02:48:20.720 here

02:48:20.960 um

02:48:21.980 and

02:48:22.520 so

02:48:23.700 I'll

02:48:24.120 get right

02:48:24.460 to it

02:48:24.840 um

02:48:25.460 I have

02:48:26.380 a question

02:48:26.860 but I

02:48:27.380 have a

02:48:27.640 little bit

02:48:27.960 of a

02:48:28.500 dialogue

02:48:28.980 here

02:48:29.320 first

02:48:29.760 um

02:48:30.720 I see

02:48:31.360 the colonization

02:48:32.200 of South

02:48:32.760 Africa

02:48:33.220 like the

02:48:33.960 colonization

02:48:34.700 of the

02:48:35.640 North

02:48:35.860 American

02:48:36.280 continent

02:48:36.780 the biggest

02:48:38.100 difference

02:48:38.540 is that

02:48:39.500 when the

02:48:40.280 white man

02:48:40.800 colonized

02:48:41.560 America

02:48:41.940 he treated

02:48:42.480 the Indians

02:48:43.000 as an

02:48:43.540 inferior

02:48:43.880 pest

02:48:44.460 which

02:48:45.640 you know

02:48:46.020 hindered

02:48:46.420 our

02:48:46.600 progression

02:48:47.020 but was

02:48:47.460 ultimately

02:48:47.840 defeated

02:48:48.380 minus

02:48:49.160 the

02:48:49.420 reservations

02:48:49.960 that were

02:48:51.080 gifted to

02:48:51.600 them

02:48:51.840 through

02:48:52.160 our

02:48:52.480 empathetic

02:48:53.080 ways

02:48:53.540 given

02:48:55.860 the fact

02:48:56.400 that the

02:48:56.700 colonization

02:48:57.400 of Africa

02:48:58.560 stopped

02:48:59.020 at South

02:48:59.440 Africa

02:48:59.860 and is

02:49:00.860 ultimately

02:49:01.340 being

02:49:01.860 overrun

02:49:02.660 do you

02:49:03.920 Mike

02:49:04.740 or

02:49:05.220 Johannes

02:49:06.060 see a

02:49:07.080 future

02:49:07.400 where the

02:49:07.860 Boyer and

02:49:08.660 his allies

02:49:09.400 push further

02:49:10.200 into Africa

02:49:11.040 to prevent

02:49:11.820 another

02:49:12.260 situation

02:49:13.000 like the

02:49:13.520 swarming

02:49:14.000 of South

02:49:14.600 Africa

02:49:15.080 I would

02:49:18.220 like Mike

02:49:18.720 to tweet

02:49:19.060 to answer

02:49:19.400 that question

02:49:20.100 actually

02:49:20.720 if he

02:49:21.620 wishes

02:49:22.180 Johannes

02:49:26.880 can you

02:49:27.440 just

02:49:27.780 rephrase

02:49:28.760 the question

02:49:29.380 please

02:49:29.820 that I

02:49:30.360 understand

02:49:31.580 it a

02:49:31.980 little bit

02:49:32.400 better

02:49:32.820 okay so

02:49:34.760 he

02:49:34.980 said

02:49:35.360 that

02:49:36.360 the

02:49:37.140 problem

02:49:37.420 that we

02:49:39.820 have in

02:49:39.920 South

02:49:40.100 Africa

02:49:40.540 is

02:49:41.120 because

02:49:41.360 they

02:49:41.640 have not

02:49:42.780 seen as

02:49:44.320 people

02:49:44.640 and they

02:49:45.160 have not

02:49:45.660 seen as

02:49:46.800 people

02:49:47.360 first

02:49:47.680 come

02:49:48.180 because

02:49:48.800 we

02:49:49.140 did not

02:49:49.500 in

02:49:49.740 South

02:49:49.960 Africa

02:49:50.460 did

02:49:50.940 do

02:49:50.960 it

02:49:51.140 is

02:49:51.840 they

02:49:52.020 for

02:49:52.160 us

02:49:52.320 a

02:49:52.400 big

02:49:52.700 problem

02:49:53.140 today

02:49:53.720 gegeven

02:49:55.040 the fact

02:49:55.520 that the

02:49:55.960 colonialisering

02:49:57.140 of Africa

02:49:58.040 and South

02:49:58.400 Africa

02:49:58.820 stop

02:49:59.260 it

02:49:59.480 what

02:49:59.860 not

02:50:00.000 technic

02:50:00.540 correct

02:50:01.180 is

02:50:01.340 but

02:50:02.200 we

02:50:04.640 see

02:50:05.080 we

02:50:05.300 see

02:50:05.720 a

02:50:05.860 future

02:50:06.340 where

02:50:06.960 we

02:50:07.800 see

02:50:08.760 on

02:50:09.060 South

02:50:09.300 Africa

02:50:09.900 back

02:50:10.760 further

02:50:12.120 no

02:50:12.600 move

02:50:13.100 to

02:50:13.660 make

02:50:14.220 that

02:50:15.300 the

02:50:16.660 problem

02:50:17.120 the

02:50:17.460 problem

02:50:17.860 itself

02:50:17.980 we

02:50:18.160 are

02:50:18.300 all

02:50:18.600 as

02:50:19.700 as

02:50:20.120 I

02:50:20.220 did

02:50:20.380 not

02:50:20.520 good

02:50:20.700 going

02:50:20.880 to

02:50:21.020 say

02:50:21.220 wow

02:50:23.880 okay

02:50:25.260 go for

02:50:25.740 it

02:50:25.920 Mike

02:50:26.240 okay

02:50:28.220 if you

02:50:30.580 look at

02:50:31.140 history

02:50:32.060 the

02:50:34.280 first and

02:50:36.080 most

02:50:36.380 important

02:50:37.040 thing

02:50:37.440 for us

02:50:38.560 will be

02:50:39.420 after we

02:50:40.300 have

02:50:40.520 gained

02:50:41.100 a new

02:50:42.400 state

02:50:42.800 for

02:50:43.080 ourselves

02:50:43.920 is to

02:50:45.980 populate

02:50:46.660 that

02:50:47.000 state

02:50:48.120 to the

02:50:48.640 biggest

02:50:49.060 extent

02:50:49.740 possible

02:50:50.500 in other

02:50:52.020 words

02:50:52.520 let's

02:50:53.860 say

02:50:54.040 for

02:50:54.280 instance

02:50:54.960 there

02:50:57.260 is

02:50:57.460 political

02:50:57.980 chaos

02:50:58.680 and

02:50:59.120 we

02:50:59.800 as

02:51:00.020 the

02:51:00.740 white

02:51:01.060 community

02:51:01.820 regain

02:51:02.600 political

02:51:03.880 power

02:51:04.460 over

02:51:04.880 the

02:51:05.100 old

02:51:05.360 Transvaal

02:51:06.200 that

02:51:08.060 we

02:51:08.320 in the

02:51:08.720 shortest

02:51:09.160 possible

02:51:11.080 time

02:51:11.640 get

02:51:12.660 as

02:51:12.900 many

02:51:13.380 white

02:51:14.220 immigrants

02:51:14.860 from

02:51:15.220 Europe

02:51:15.780 especially

02:51:17.200 Northwestern

02:51:18.620 Europe

02:51:18.960 that is

02:51:19.640 from the

02:51:20.840 Dutch

02:51:21.200 the

02:51:21.480 Flemish

02:51:22.060 the

02:51:23.200 Germans

02:51:23.820 the

02:51:24.480 Austrians

02:51:25.320 to come

02:51:26.480 to our

02:51:26.940 new

02:51:27.220 state

02:51:27.700 and to

02:51:28.520 settle

02:51:28.900 here

02:51:29.240 that

02:51:30.500 that

02:51:30.900 will be

02:51:31.400 the only

02:51:32.120 real

02:51:33.060 way

02:51:34.260 to

02:51:34.780 maintain

02:51:36.200 ourselves

02:51:36.960 we

02:51:37.920 we

02:51:37.940 must

02:51:38.200 increase

02:51:38.840 our

02:51:39.160 numbers

02:51:39.760 in

02:51:40.000 other

02:51:40.300 words

02:51:40.720 we

02:51:41.540 must

02:51:41.800 try

02:51:42.140 and

02:51:42.340 get

02:51:42.660 the

02:51:43.100 woman

02:51:43.440 to

02:51:43.940 have

02:51:44.980 more

02:51:45.300 children

02:51:45.720 again

02:51:46.280 and

02:51:47.720 depend

02:51:49.700 depending on

02:51:51.280 what will

02:51:51.780 happen

02:51:52.120 we can

02:51:52.620 later on

02:51:53.240 increase

02:51:53.820 our

02:51:54.120 territory

02:51:54.580 or

02:51:56.120 we can

02:51:57.040 move

02:51:57.340 further

02:51:57.800 north

02:51:58.340 but

02:51:59.340 the most

02:51:59.840 important

02:52:00.540 thing

02:52:01.080 will be

02:52:02.080 to

02:52:02.980 get

02:52:03.380 our

02:52:03.720 state

02:52:04.140 as

02:52:04.520 populated

02:52:05.340 by

02:52:06.060 white

02:52:06.400 people

02:52:06.880 as

02:52:07.840 much

02:52:08.220 as

02:52:08.480 possible

02:52:09.040 Nanya

02:52:17.440 did you

02:52:17.840 want to

02:52:18.060 respond

02:52:18.440 to that

02:52:18.900 or are

02:52:19.280 you

02:52:19.460 satisfied

02:52:20.120 go ahead

02:52:20.560 yeah

02:52:20.720 no

02:52:21.220 I was

02:52:21.800 going to

02:52:22.000 respond

02:52:22.280 and

02:52:22.580 thank

02:52:23.340 you

02:52:23.460 for

02:52:23.600 the

02:52:23.720 response

02:52:24.160 I

02:52:25.040 really

02:52:25.280 appreciate

02:52:25.660 it

02:52:25.900 and

02:52:26.280 you

02:52:26.800 basically

02:52:27.180 said

02:52:27.520 exactly

02:52:27.920 what

02:52:28.160 I

02:52:28.260 wanted

02:52:28.440 to

02:52:28.600 hear

02:52:28.760 I

02:52:29.740 feel

02:52:29.980 like

02:52:30.260 you

02:52:31.740 know

02:52:31.940 the

02:52:32.400 colonization

02:52:33.000 of

02:52:33.200 South

02:52:33.400 Africa

02:52:33.820 it

02:52:34.860 went

02:52:35.080 well

02:52:35.320 for

02:52:35.480 a

02:52:35.620 long

02:52:35.800 time

02:52:36.080 just

02:52:36.280 like

02:52:36.460 the

02:52:36.600 colonization

02:52:37.200 of

02:52:37.440 America

02:52:37.780 went

02:52:38.040 well

02:52:38.220 for

02:52:38.340 a

02:52:38.460 long

02:52:38.620 time

02:52:38.920 but

02:52:39.240 look

02:52:39.520 at

02:52:39.680 the

02:52:39.960 situation

02:52:41.240 in

02:52:41.900 both

02:52:42.080 countries

02:52:42.440 now

02:52:42.660 and

02:52:43.500 until

02:52:44.020 we

02:52:44.260 can

02:52:44.400 do

02:52:44.580 something

02:52:44.860 about

02:52:45.140 it

02:52:45.380 and

02:52:46.080 until

02:52:46.540 we

02:52:46.780 can

02:52:46.960 gain

02:52:47.320 control

02:52:47.840 especially

02:52:48.680 in

02:52:49.120 your

02:52:49.280 guys

02:52:49.520 situation

02:52:50.140 you

02:52:52.040 definitely

02:52:52.500 need

02:52:52.900 to be

02:52:53.120 able

02:52:53.220 to

02:52:53.320 gain

02:52:53.460 control

02:52:53.900 of

02:52:54.420 the

02:52:55.260 political

02:52:55.620 spectrum

02:52:56.100 and

02:52:56.760 then

02:52:56.940 get

02:52:57.180 as

02:52:57.320 many

02:52:57.500 white

02:52:57.740 people

02:52:58.000 over

02:52:58.220 there

02:53:01.940 and

02:53:02.380 then

02:53:02.700 move

02:53:03.460 north

02:53:03.880 because

02:53:04.260 you're

02:53:04.700 always

02:53:05.120 just

02:53:05.600 going

02:53:05.840 to be

02:53:06.100 right

02:53:06.480 there

02:53:06.880 you know

02:53:07.460 and

02:53:07.620 that's

02:53:07.960 once

02:53:08.220 I know

02:53:08.520 it's

02:53:08.660 not

02:53:08.820 a

02:53:08.980 small

02:53:09.400 spot

02:53:09.880 but

02:53:10.380 it's

02:53:10.580 a

02:53:10.700 small

02:53:11.040 portion

02:53:11.460 of

02:53:11.660 Africa

02:53:12.060 that

02:53:12.740 is

02:53:13.000 overwhelmingly

02:53:14.060 black

02:53:14.680 and

02:53:14.880 brown

02:53:15.200 everywhere

02:53:15.760 else

02:53:16.240 so

02:53:16.760 until

02:53:17.000 you

02:53:17.440 can

02:53:17.660 push

02:53:18.080 forward

02:53:18.600 and

02:53:19.160 gain

02:53:19.680 a

02:53:20.120 significant

02:53:21.580 population

02:53:22.480 density

02:53:23.800 of white

02:53:24.240 people

02:53:24.520 there

02:53:24.840 it's

02:53:25.540 always

02:53:25.860 going

02:53:26.040 to

02:53:26.100 be

02:53:26.240 fighting

02:53:26.580 and

02:53:27.020 I

02:53:27.320 would

02:53:27.500 love

02:53:27.820 for

02:53:28.120 my

02:53:29.380 South

02:53:29.660 African

02:53:30.020 brothers

02:53:30.380 and sisters

02:53:30.900 to be

02:53:31.300 able to

02:53:31.580 have

02:53:31.780 a

02:53:31.920 country

02:53:32.280 without

02:53:32.960 the

02:53:33.220 fear

02:53:33.540 of

02:53:34.000 you

02:53:34.620 know

02:53:34.760 black

02:53:35.720 people

02:53:36.100 raiding

02:53:36.940 and

02:53:37.420 murdering

02:53:37.980 and

02:53:38.140 killing

02:53:38.440 you

02:53:38.800 know

02:53:38.880 our

02:53:39.080 people

02:53:39.380 thank

02:53:40.200 you

02:53:40.280 for

02:53:40.400 the

02:53:40.500 time

02:53:40.720 I

02:53:40.860 appreciate

02:53:41.240 it

02:53:42.540 ladies

02:53:45.800 and

02:53:46.080 gentlemen

02:53:46.380 we

02:53:46.660 are

02:53:46.800 10

02:53:47.100 minutes

02:53:47.440 to

02:53:47.660 top

02:53:47.940 of

02:53:48.060 the

02:53:48.180 hour

02:53:48.500 and

02:53:48.740 we

02:53:48.840 have

02:53:48.980 10

02:53:49.220 minutes

02:53:49.580 before

02:53:49.980 14

02:53:50.500 radio

02:53:51.660 start

02:53:52.660 can

02:53:53.840 you

02:53:53.960 hear

02:53:54.100 me

02:53:54.300 post

02:53:54.640 yeah

02:53:54.980 yeah

02:53:55.200 sorry

02:53:55.480 I

02:53:55.680 kind

02:53:55.940 of

02:53:56.040 over

02:53:56.240 talked

02:53:56.460 you

02:53:56.600 there

02:53:56.740 for

02:53:56.860 a

02:53:56.960 second

02:53:57.180 because

02:53:57.420 it

02:53:57.520 took

02:53:57.640 a

02:53:57.800 second

02:54:01.300 I

02:54:01.440 want

02:54:01.680 to

02:54:01.820 get

02:54:02.000 extra

02:54:02.380 in

02:54:02.700 and

02:54:02.860 then

02:54:03.060 perhaps

02:54:03.480 some

02:54:03.720 final

02:54:04.100 thoughts

02:54:04.660 out

02:54:05.060 of

02:54:05.380 Dr.

02:54:07.140 Mike

02:54:07.520 Johannes

02:54:08.080 Frank

02:54:08.780 anyone

02:54:09.180 who

02:54:09.440 has

02:54:09.620 something

02:54:10.120 that

02:54:11.320 they'd

02:54:11.560 like

02:54:11.720 to

02:54:11.880 share

02:54:12.220 and

02:54:13.180 posting

02:54:13.860 I

02:54:14.080 will

02:54:14.260 close

02:54:14.780 it

02:54:14.940 out

02:54:15.160 go

02:54:15.700 ahead

02:54:15.920 extra

02:54:16.260 well

02:54:18.320 thank

02:54:18.500 you

02:54:18.580 very

02:54:18.700 much

02:54:18.880 what

02:54:19.500 I'll

02:54:19.640 do

02:54:19.780 is

02:54:19.980 I

02:54:20.260 will

02:54:20.520 do

02:54:21.280 all

02:54:21.520 things

02:54:21.820 there

02:54:22.000 at

02:54:22.100 once

02:54:22.300 there

02:54:22.460 final

02:54:22.900 thoughts

02:54:23.200 and

02:54:23.320 last

02:54:23.540 question

02:54:24.060 for

02:54:24.840 Dr.

02:54:25.200 and

02:54:25.760 also

02:54:26.280 add

02:54:26.540 a

02:54:26.620 little

02:54:26.720 bit

02:54:26.820 more

02:54:27.020 there

02:54:27.240 to

02:54:27.680 the

02:54:28.240 topic

02:54:28.920 of

02:54:29.180 taking

02:54:30.560 and

02:54:30.820 holding

02:54:31.120 extra

02:54:31.460 land

02:54:31.720 than

02:54:31.920 current

02:54:32.240 South

02:54:32.420 Africa

02:54:32.720 Namibia

02:54:34.240 as was

02:54:34.640 mentioned

02:54:34.860 before

02:54:35.220 was

02:54:35.560 what

02:54:35.760 was

02:54:36.000 once

02:54:36.320 German

02:54:36.700 South

02:54:37.040 West

02:54:37.220 Africa

02:54:37.600 and

02:54:38.240 that

02:54:39.520 was

02:54:39.940 I suppose

02:54:41.240 also

02:54:41.720 under

02:54:42.620 a UN

02:54:43.020 mandate

02:54:43.540 given to

02:54:44.320 South

02:54:44.440 Africa

02:54:44.640 as a

02:54:44.960 protectorate

02:54:45.500 to look

02:54:46.200 after

02:54:46.540 kind of

02:54:46.800 thing

02:54:46.940 indefinitely

02:54:47.460 sort of

02:54:47.800 thing

02:54:47.940 but then

02:54:48.720 that was

02:54:49.060 dismantled

02:54:49.480 I've

02:54:49.900 spent

02:54:50.040 some

02:54:50.220 time

02:54:50.380 in

02:54:50.520 Vintook

02:54:50.900 the

02:54:51.080 capital

02:54:51.340 of

02:54:51.500 Namibia

02:54:52.040 and

02:54:52.280 I

02:54:52.420 remember

02:54:52.720 listening

02:54:53.540 to a

02:54:53.920 girl

02:54:54.100 there

02:54:54.300 who

02:54:54.420 was

02:54:54.520 telling

02:54:54.720 me

02:54:58.240 things

02:54:58.520 are

02:54:58.720 better

02:54:58.980 there

02:54:59.280 and

02:54:59.420 she

02:54:59.500 hopes

02:54:59.640 to

02:54:59.760 get

02:55:00.460 into

02:55:00.700 South

02:55:00.960 Africa

02:55:01.320 but

02:55:02.300 there's

02:55:04.300 lots

02:55:04.500 of

02:55:04.660 German

02:55:04.900 there

02:55:05.200 and

02:55:05.580 all

02:55:05.840 the

02:55:05.960 streets

02:55:06.200 are

02:55:06.340 named

02:55:06.520 after

02:55:06.900 Germans

02:55:07.600 and

02:55:07.740 that

02:55:07.820 kind

02:55:07.900 of

02:55:07.940 thing

02:55:08.060 so

02:55:08.260 yes

02:55:08.540 it

02:55:08.660 would

02:55:08.760 be

02:55:08.860 just

02:55:09.040 a

02:55:09.280 reconquista

02:55:10.000 of

02:55:10.300 sorts

02:55:10.600 right

02:55:10.860 Botswana

02:55:11.840 also

02:55:12.980 still

02:55:13.860 white

02:55:14.120 people

02:55:14.300 live

02:55:14.500 there

02:55:14.680 and

02:55:15.500 it

02:55:16.260 is

02:55:16.560 smaller

02:55:17.400 in

02:55:17.600 scale

02:55:17.840 both

02:55:18.120 from

02:55:18.400 whites

02:55:18.740 and

02:55:18.920 blacks

02:55:19.240 and

02:55:19.760 that

02:55:20.640 could

02:55:20.820 be

02:55:21.000 a

02:55:21.100 protectorate

02:55:23.400 again

02:55:23.580 of

02:55:23.720 white

02:55:23.860 people

02:55:24.060 there's

02:55:24.360 lots

02:55:24.600 of

02:55:24.780 nature

02:55:25.420 there

02:55:25.680 and

02:55:25.800 wildlife

02:55:26.140 that

02:55:26.400 needs

02:55:26.640 to be

02:55:26.900 preserved

02:55:27.220 as

02:55:27.520 only

02:55:27.680 white

02:55:27.880 people

02:55:28.040 can

02:55:28.200 do

02:55:28.400 current

02:55:29.280 Zimbabwe

02:55:29.780 was

02:55:30.060 Rhodesia

02:55:30.580 yes

02:55:31.100 it

02:55:31.220 would

02:55:31.300 be

02:55:31.400 just

02:55:31.560 taking

02:55:31.860 back

02:55:32.140 what

02:55:32.340 once

02:55:32.580 was

02:55:32.900 a

02:55:33.040 thriving

02:55:33.340 white

02:55:33.600 civilisation

02:55:34.160 and

02:55:34.440 Zambia

02:55:34.880 as

02:55:35.100 well

02:55:35.320 lovely

02:55:36.000 lush

02:55:36.360 verdant

02:55:36.900 unspoiled

02:55:37.880 land

02:55:38.220 very

02:55:38.540 fertile

02:55:38.900 as

02:55:39.160 well

02:55:39.340 and

02:55:39.960 that's

02:55:40.140 before

02:55:40.360 you

02:55:40.480 even

02:55:40.600 get

02:55:40.700 to

02:55:40.800 Angola

02:55:41.260 or

02:55:41.500 Mozambique

02:55:42.020 which

02:55:42.380 was

02:55:42.560 Portuguese

02:55:43.100 and

02:55:44.100 what

02:55:44.300 is

02:55:44.440 now

02:55:44.620 Malawi

02:55:45.300 as

02:55:45.460 well

02:55:45.620 so

02:55:46.000 plenty

02:55:46.420 of

02:55:46.600 land

02:55:46.800 there

02:55:46.980 and

02:55:47.060 that

02:55:47.140 would

02:55:47.240 take

02:55:47.400 you

02:55:47.500 right

02:55:47.700 up

02:55:47.840 to

02:55:47.940 the

02:55:48.100 Democratic

02:55:48.780 Republic

02:55:49.280 of

02:55:49.480 Congo

02:55:49.740 but

02:55:50.320 of

02:55:50.480 course

02:55:50.740 you

02:55:51.240 need

02:55:51.440 to

02:55:51.560 have

02:55:51.840 mothers

02:55:52.360 who

02:55:52.560 are

02:55:52.660 prepared

02:55:52.980 to

02:55:53.180 say

02:55:53.520 well

02:55:54.480 this

02:55:54.840 isn't

02:55:55.060 just

02:55:55.340 a

02:55:55.600 regional

02:55:57.560 economic

02:55:58.220 zone

02:55:58.520 where

02:55:58.720 you

02:55:58.860 have

02:55:59.200 as

02:56:00.640 the

02:56:00.760 ultimate

02:56:01.100 fulfilment

02:56:01.740 of that

02:56:02.140 an

02:56:02.400 increase

02:56:02.720 in

02:56:02.880 GDP

02:56:03.160 and

02:56:03.460 therefore

02:56:03.760 it

02:56:03.920 doesn't

02:56:04.100 matter

02:56:04.400 who

02:56:04.600 we

02:56:04.700 have

02:56:04.860 working

02:56:05.240 in

02:56:05.580 whatever

02:56:05.880 corporations

02:56:06.580 no

02:56:06.840 no

02:56:06.980 it

02:56:07.520 does

02:56:07.820 matter

02:56:08.240 who

02:56:08.880 is

02:56:09.120 in

02:56:09.260 the

02:56:09.420 future

02:56:09.780 and

02:56:10.640 it's

02:56:10.960 not

02:56:11.160 just

02:56:11.320 you

02:56:11.460 have

02:56:11.760 to

02:56:11.860 ask

02:56:12.120 yourself

02:56:12.380 basic

02:56:12.680 questions

02:56:13.020 like

02:56:13.200 what's

02:56:13.440 the

02:56:13.580 point

02:56:13.880 of

02:56:14.820 living

02:56:15.060 and

02:56:15.240 what's

02:56:15.380 the

02:56:15.480 point

02:56:15.640 of

02:56:15.820 reproducing

02:56:16.620 and

02:56:16.760 what's

02:56:16.940 the

02:56:17.060 point

02:56:17.240 of

02:56:17.400 existing

02:56:17.920 on

02:56:18.100 this

02:56:18.220 earth

02:56:18.400 is it

02:56:18.660 just

02:56:18.820 to

02:56:19.000 consume

02:56:19.800 goods

02:56:20.280 and

02:56:20.520 then

02:56:20.740 excrete

02:56:21.560 the

02:56:21.740 waste

02:56:22.080 and

02:56:22.340 then

02:56:22.680 die

02:56:23.140 and

02:56:23.460 then

02:56:23.920 just

02:56:24.180 say

02:56:24.400 well

02:56:24.600 at

02:56:24.780 least

02:56:24.940 I

02:56:25.260 fulfilled

02:56:26.300 my

02:56:26.540 obligations

02:56:27.140 to

02:56:27.480 the

02:56:27.600 great

02:56:27.800 corporation

02:56:28.480 in

02:56:28.700 some

02:56:28.840 way

02:56:28.960 obviously

02:56:29.360 not

02:56:29.780 we

02:56:30.240 have

02:56:30.380 to

02:56:30.480 get

02:56:30.620 back

02:56:30.960 to

02:56:31.140 brass

02:56:31.440 tacks

02:56:31.800 and

02:56:32.040 first

02:56:32.380 of

02:56:32.520 all

02:56:32.660 you

02:56:32.760 know

02:56:32.860 there'll

02:56:33.140 be

02:56:33.200 no

02:56:33.440 religion

02:56:34.100 there'll

02:56:34.360 be

02:56:34.440 no

02:56:34.740 lovely

02:56:35.520 thoughts

02:56:35.920 about

02:56:36.160 anything

02:56:36.520 if

02:56:36.980 there

02:56:37.220 aren't

02:56:37.440 our

02:56:37.640 people

02:56:37.940 there

02:56:38.160 to

02:56:38.380 walk

02:56:38.740 on

02:56:38.900 these

02:56:39.140 lands

02:56:39.440 wherever

02:56:39.660 they

02:56:39.780 might

02:56:39.900 be

02:56:40.040 in

02:56:40.160 the

02:56:40.240 world

02:56:40.460 so

02:56:41.560 with

02:56:41.920 the

02:56:42.100 idea

02:56:42.360 of

02:56:42.600 mothers

02:56:42.960 then

02:56:43.340 sort

02:56:44.480 of

02:56:44.580 saying

02:56:44.800 yes

02:56:45.060 well

02:56:45.300 maybe

02:56:45.540 I

02:56:45.660 don't

02:56:45.800 understand

02:56:46.140 quite

02:56:46.620 why

02:56:47.040 in

02:56:47.160 my

02:56:47.300 youth

02:56:47.460 or

02:56:47.560 maybe

02:56:47.700 I'm

02:56:47.900 worried

02:56:48.260 about

02:56:48.500 the

02:56:48.640 pain

02:56:48.880 that

02:56:49.000 I

02:56:49.040 might

02:56:49.160 have

02:56:49.280 to

02:56:49.360 go

02:56:49.540 through

02:57:01.140 when

02:57:01.740 you

02:57:01.980 are

02:57:02.340 in

02:57:02.580 your

02:57:02.840 middle

02:57:03.640 age

02:57:03.920 and

02:57:04.220 then

02:57:04.520 your

02:57:04.760 elderly

02:57:05.060 years

02:57:05.520 that'll

02:57:05.940 be

02:57:06.140 what

02:57:06.400 you

02:57:06.520 bequeath

02:57:06.920 the

02:57:07.100 world

02:57:07.340 and so

02:57:07.600 with

02:57:07.760 that

02:57:08.000 will

02:57:08.800 be

02:57:08.920 my

02:57:09.080 final

02:57:09.300 question

02:57:09.640 for

02:57:09.800 Dr.

02:57:10.100 DeToy

02:57:10.320 he did

02:57:11.040 mention

02:57:11.360 that he

02:57:12.760 wrote

02:57:13.000 a book

02:57:13.300 several

02:57:13.860 books

02:57:14.120 but one

02:57:14.520 he wrote

02:57:14.960 about

02:57:15.200 his

02:57:15.380 mother

02:57:15.620 and if

02:57:16.060 it's

02:57:16.200 not

02:57:16.380 too

02:57:16.600 personal

02:57:16.980 a

02:57:17.120 question

02:57:17.400 I'd

02:57:17.580 like

02:57:17.680 to

02:57:17.780 know

02:57:17.880 a

02:57:17.960 bit

02:57:18.040 more

02:57:18.260 about

02:57:18.480 that

02:57:18.700 please

02:57:19.020 that's

02:57:23.900 what

02:57:24.100 one

02:57:24.440 would

02:57:24.700 call

02:57:25.100 in

02:57:25.440 history

02:57:26.020 writing

02:57:27.020 a

02:57:27.940 history

02:57:28.320 of

02:57:28.580 local

02:57:29.160 history

02:57:29.760 you

02:57:30.760 know

02:57:31.000 just

02:57:31.560 explain

02:57:32.500 who

02:57:33.140 my

02:57:33.380 mother

02:57:33.720 was

02:57:34.300 where

02:57:35.240 she

02:57:35.460 was

02:57:35.740 born

02:57:36.160 how

02:57:36.460 she

02:57:36.720 grew

02:57:37.140 up

02:57:37.480 how

02:57:37.700 she

02:57:37.920 met

02:57:38.200 my

02:57:38.440 father

02:57:39.000 how

02:57:41.160 many

02:57:41.500 children

02:57:42.000 she

02:57:43.260 brought

02:57:43.640 into

02:57:43.960 life

02:57:44.420 what

02:57:44.860 happened

02:57:45.380 she

02:57:47.020 even

02:57:47.500 she

02:57:47.900 dictated

02:57:48.540 everything

02:57:49.100 to me

02:57:49.660 I

02:57:49.940 just

02:57:50.320 typed

02:57:50.760 it

02:57:51.060 my

02:57:51.680 brother

02:57:52.020 helped

02:57:52.460 me

02:57:52.740 and I

02:57:53.920 eventually

02:57:54.520 published

02:57:55.180 it

02:57:55.560 but

02:57:56.380 it's

02:57:56.780 a

02:57:57.000 sort

02:57:57.260 of

02:57:57.640 it's

02:57:59.780 my

02:58:00.120 way

02:58:00.600 of

02:58:01.100 honoring

02:58:01.680 my

02:58:02.120 mother

02:58:02.560 so

02:58:04.100 that

02:58:04.360 one

02:58:04.740 day

02:58:05.080 when

02:58:06.040 after

02:58:06.580 when

02:58:06.900 she's

02:58:07.200 not

02:58:07.460 with

02:58:07.920 us

02:58:08.160 anymore

02:58:08.800 that

02:58:09.840 her

02:58:10.160 children

02:58:10.660 and

02:58:11.160 grandchildren

02:58:11.940 and

02:58:13.080 great

02:58:13.480 grandchildren

02:58:14.180 can read

02:58:15.000 something

02:58:15.460 about

02:58:15.980 her

02:58:16.280 it's

02:58:17.300 just

02:58:17.560 my

02:58:17.900 way

02:58:18.220 of

02:58:18.460 honoring

02:58:18.940 her

02:58:19.340 and

02:58:20.360 it's

02:58:20.660 my

02:58:20.960 way

02:58:21.240 to

02:58:21.460 contribute

02:58:22.320 a

02:58:23.160 book

02:58:23.440 on

02:58:23.660 local

02:58:24.080 history

02:58:24.580 could

02:58:30.060 you

02:58:30.160 tell me

02:58:30.480 the

02:58:30.620 name

02:58:30.800 of

02:58:31.120 the

02:58:31.260 book

02:58:31.460 dr

02:58:31.820 detoy

02:58:32.180 then

02:58:36.680 let me

02:58:37.640 just

02:58:37.920 say

02:58:38.200 the

02:58:38.460 book

02:58:38.720 is

02:58:39.080 not

02:58:41.080 available

02:58:41.660 for

02:58:42.320 for the

02:58:44.440 public

02:58:44.880 it's

02:58:45.900 just

02:58:46.360 a book

02:58:47.660 for

02:58:48.140 my

02:58:48.820 brothers

02:58:49.340 and

02:58:49.740 sister

02:58:50.140 and

02:58:50.540 my

02:58:50.840 children

02:58:51.260 and

02:58:51.660 great

02:58:52.040 children

02:58:52.460 but

02:58:53.560 the

02:58:53.840 name

02:58:54.200 of

02:58:54.460 the

02:58:54.660 book

02:58:54.920 is

02:58:55.220 very

02:58:55.700 simple

02:58:57.780 it's

02:58:58.220 my

02:58:58.420 mother's

02:58:58.920 name

02:58:59.300 Jeanette

02:59:00.520 Geneve

02:59:01.040 detoy

02:59:01.560 well thank

02:59:05.200 you very

02:59:05.380 much I

02:59:05.620 didn't mean

02:59:05.840 to get

02:59:06.040 too

02:59:06.200 personal

02:59:06.540 it's

02:59:07.040 like a

02:59:07.500 family

02:59:08.460 tome

02:59:08.860 then of

02:59:09.120 your

02:59:09.200 own

02:59:09.320 history

02:59:09.540 I

02:59:09.680 really

02:59:09.860 appreciate

02:59:10.200 it

02:59:10.400 thank

02:59:10.560 you

02:59:10.640 very

02:59:10.780 much

02:59:11.060 hopefully

02:59:11.440 we'll

02:59:11.640 speak

02:59:11.840 again

02:59:12.080 at

02:59:12.200 some

02:59:12.320 point

02:59:12.560 in

02:59:12.880 time

02:59:13.100 yeah

02:59:17.380 thank

02:59:17.840 you

02:59:18.040 extra

02:59:18.480 thank

02:59:19.260 you

02:59:19.420 so

02:59:19.620 much

02:59:19.860 for

02:59:20.060 your

02:59:20.220 contribution

02:59:20.920 today

02:59:21.440 I

02:59:22.000 live

02:59:22.780 to

02:59:23.440 hear

02:59:23.700 your

02:59:23.900 voice

02:59:24.260 so

02:59:26.840 that's

02:59:28.040 a

02:59:28.160 quick

02:59:28.300 question

02:59:28.780 Dr.

02:59:29.280 Mike

02:59:29.480 are

02:59:29.820 your

02:59:30.180 books

02:59:30.600 available

02:59:31.120 or

02:59:31.700 do

02:59:32.000 we

02:59:32.320 now

02:59:32.760 need

02:59:33.140 to

02:59:33.540 wait

02:59:33.900 on

02:59:34.220 a

02:59:34.420 translation

02:59:35.360 because

02:59:36.040 I'm

02:59:36.220 sure

02:59:36.400 we

02:59:36.580 have

02:59:36.720 a

02:59:36.860 few

02:59:36.980 people

02:59:37.260 here

02:59:37.620 who

02:59:38.680 would

02:59:38.800 be

02:59:38.920 quite

02:59:39.200 interested

02:59:39.620 in

02:59:40.080 that

02:59:40.380 the

02:59:43.500 books

02:59:43.860 are

02:59:44.080 all

02:59:44.360 in

02:59:44.540 Afrikaans

02:59:45.380 but

02:59:46.620 I

02:59:48.140 think

02:59:48.980 as

02:59:50.100 time

02:59:50.500 progresses

02:59:51.180 there

02:59:52.000 is

02:59:52.180 a

02:59:52.360 strong

02:59:52.640 possibility

02:59:53.400 that

02:59:54.520 I

02:59:54.780 will

02:59:55.140 translate

02:59:56.340 three

02:59:56.680 of the

02:59:57.040 books

02:59:57.320 into

02:59:57.620 English

02:59:58.200 because

02:59:59.500 I

03:00:00.060 think

03:00:00.540 in

03:00:01.720 each

03:00:02.100 case

03:00:02.580 I'm

03:00:02.900 saying

03:00:03.220 something

03:00:03.760 that

03:00:04.940 is

03:00:05.220 not

03:00:05.700 well

03:00:07.260 known

03:00:07.720 so

03:00:08.640 the

03:00:08.860 books

03:00:09.120 can

03:00:09.400 make

03:00:09.680 a

03:00:09.840 contribution

03:00:10.540 especially

03:00:11.260 in

03:00:11.760 the

03:00:11.900 English

03:00:12.400 speaking

03:00:13.400 world

03:00:13.860 but

03:00:15.380 at

03:00:15.580 a

03:00:15.720 moment

03:00:16.000 they

03:00:16.280 are

03:00:16.480 only

03:00:16.920 in

03:00:17.100 Afrikaans

03:00:17.800 available

03:00:18.380 well

03:00:20.820 that's

03:00:21.220 your

03:00:21.340 next

03:00:21.640 project

03:00:22.280 I

03:00:22.540 suppose

03:00:23.280 Frank

03:00:25.060 do

03:00:25.280 you

03:00:25.340 have

03:00:25.460 any

03:00:25.620 final

03:00:25.940 thoughts

03:00:26.540 or

03:00:27.000 radio

03:00:27.700 and

03:00:28.800 then

03:00:29.620 I'll

03:00:29.780 get

03:00:29.940 to

03:00:30.120 Johannes

03:00:30.500 yeah

03:00:31.600 thanks

03:00:32.000 I

03:00:32.320 had

03:00:32.560 my

03:00:32.720 hand

03:00:32.980 up

03:00:33.120 I

03:00:33.240 realized

03:00:33.640 this

03:00:33.880 whole

03:00:34.060 thing

03:00:34.280 is

03:00:34.380 being

03:00:34.540 glitchy

03:00:34.920 for

03:00:35.060 me

03:00:35.220 today

03:00:35.440 too

03:00:35.760 Dr.

03:00:36.680 Dutrois

03:00:38.680 I just

03:00:39.120 want to

03:00:39.380 let

03:00:39.560 you

03:00:39.720 know

03:00:40.140 and

03:00:40.620 Johannes

03:00:41.020 kind

03:00:42.160 of

03:00:42.260 knows

03:00:42.460 where

03:00:42.640 I'm

03:00:42.780 coming

03:00:43.040 from

03:00:43.280 but

03:00:43.460 look

03:00:43.760 there's

03:00:45.120 a

03:00:45.260 multiplicitous

03:00:46.620 type

03:00:49.080 of

03:00:49.280 maneuver

03:00:49.740 as

03:00:51.080 your

03:00:51.260 people

03:00:51.600 come

03:00:51.900 and

03:00:52.060 go

03:00:52.400 from

03:00:53.660 your

03:00:53.860 homeland

03:00:54.240 those

03:00:54.620 that

03:00:54.760 come

03:00:54.900 to

03:00:55.040 America

03:00:55.520 I'm

03:00:56.960 not

03:00:57.580 in

03:00:57.740 the

03:00:57.880 camp

03:00:58.260 of

03:00:58.480 people

03:00:58.800 are

03:00:58.960 just

03:00:59.140 going

03:00:59.280 to

03:00:59.540 die

03:01:00.380 on

03:01:00.580 the

03:01:00.680 vine

03:01:01.040 and

03:01:01.240 all

03:01:01.460 that

03:01:01.800 if

03:01:02.360 the

03:01:02.520 parents

03:01:02.840 come

03:01:03.120 here

03:01:03.300 for

03:01:03.460 their

03:01:03.680 reasons

03:01:04.120 you

03:01:05.000 still

03:01:05.240 have

03:01:05.440 the

03:01:05.600 children

03:01:06.040 that

03:01:06.980 will

03:01:08.240 always

03:01:08.580 remain

03:01:08.960 assets

03:01:09.620 and

03:01:10.620 us

03:01:10.920 Americans

03:01:11.380 will

03:01:11.700 do

03:01:12.100 our

03:01:12.760 duty

03:01:13.400 to

03:01:15.400 remind

03:01:16.120 them

03:01:16.460 even

03:01:16.760 though

03:01:17.140 their

03:01:17.940 parents

03:01:18.300 are

03:01:18.480 becoming

03:01:18.860 American

03:01:19.380 that

03:01:19.760 the

03:01:20.240 children

03:01:20.580 have

03:01:21.000 a

03:01:21.120 homeland

03:01:21.600 and

03:01:22.220 that's

03:01:22.780 a

03:01:22.880 good

03:01:23.020 thing

03:01:23.240 because

03:01:23.580 my

03:01:24.560 father

03:01:24.940 is

03:01:25.200 French

03:01:25.740 or

03:01:26.480 was

03:01:26.760 French

03:01:27.040 he's

03:01:27.240 passed

03:01:27.520 away

03:01:27.760 now

03:01:28.080 and

03:01:29.260 I

03:01:30.400 didn't

03:01:30.640 even

03:01:30.840 know

03:01:31.020 he

03:01:31.200 could

03:01:31.400 write

03:01:31.740 French

03:01:32.240 until

03:01:32.640 I

03:01:32.940 was

03:01:33.140 in

03:01:33.280 my

03:01:33.480 forties

03:01:34.100 or

03:01:34.760 speak

03:01:35.240 French

03:01:35.720 even

03:01:36.240 I

03:01:36.680 just

03:01:36.880 knew

03:01:37.060 my

03:01:37.260 grandma

03:01:37.600 and

03:01:37.840 grandpa

03:01:38.260 right

03:01:38.780 so

03:01:39.700 I

03:01:39.800 just

03:01:39.920 want

03:01:40.060 to

03:01:40.100 let

03:01:40.200 you

03:01:40.300 guys

03:01:40.520 know

03:01:40.800 that

03:01:41.000 we're

03:01:41.200 here

03:01:41.460 rooting

03:01:41.800 for

03:01:42.160 you

03:01:42.400 I've

03:01:42.840 literally

03:01:43.140 been

03:01:43.440 involved

03:01:43.940 in

03:01:44.860 the

03:01:45.000 South

03:01:45.240 African

03:01:45.740 development

03:01:47.360 since

03:01:47.800 I was

03:01:48.100 about

03:01:48.460 I don't

03:01:48.840 know

03:01:48.980 14

03:01:49.420 or 15

03:01:49.960 when we

03:01:50.900 had

03:01:51.080 seven

03:01:51.380 guys

03:01:51.780 leave

03:01:52.100 my

03:01:52.400 hometown

03:01:53.040 to

03:01:53.940 fight

03:01:54.200 in

03:01:54.340 Rhodesia

03:01:54.820 and

03:01:55.040 South

03:01:55.340 Africa

03:01:55.820 part

03:01:56.500 in

03:01:56.600 the

03:01:56.740 cello

03:01:57.020 of

03:01:57.140 scouts

03:01:57.560 and

03:01:57.760 part

03:01:58.080 in

03:01:59.100 Rhodesia

03:01:59.700 proper

03:02:00.160 and

03:02:00.860 two

03:02:01.080 of

03:02:01.220 those

03:02:01.400 lads

03:02:01.780 died

03:02:02.120 and

03:02:02.300 were

03:02:02.440 buried

03:02:02.780 in

03:02:03.040 South

03:02:03.320 Africa

03:02:03.740 I

03:02:04.880 know

03:02:05.300 that

03:02:05.560 because

03:02:05.720 the

03:02:05.900 mothers

03:02:06.140 were

03:02:06.320 upset

03:02:06.940 that

03:02:07.360 the

03:02:07.640 sons

03:02:08.020 did

03:02:08.220 not

03:02:08.440 come

03:02:08.680 back

03:02:09.020 and

03:02:09.980 were

03:02:10.460 not

03:02:11.240 buried

03:02:11.540 in

03:02:11.700 the

03:02:11.780 United

03:02:11.940 States

03:02:12.240 they

03:02:12.540 may

03:02:12.760 have

03:02:12.980 been

03:02:13.600 removed

03:02:14.180 and

03:02:14.380 brought

03:02:14.600 back

03:02:14.920 to

03:02:15.020 the

03:02:15.140 country

03:02:15.400 but

03:02:15.600 I

03:02:16.300 don't

03:02:16.700 know

03:02:16.940 that

03:02:17.260 but

03:02:17.720 we're

03:02:17.960 all

03:02:18.220 here

03:02:18.540 for

03:02:18.880 you

03:02:19.100 guys

03:02:19.580 this

03:02:20.580 is

03:02:20.800 I've

03:02:21.340 just

03:02:21.540 been

03:02:21.740 aware

03:02:22.040 of

03:02:22.260 your

03:02:22.500 situation

03:02:23.000 since

03:02:23.320 I

03:02:23.520 was

03:02:23.680 allowed

03:02:24.100 and

03:02:25.220 with

03:02:26.060 that

03:02:26.260 being

03:02:26.480 said

03:02:26.760 I

03:02:26.920 had

03:02:27.260 one

03:02:27.640 personal

03:02:28.080 question

03:02:28.540 for

03:02:28.800 you

03:02:28.940 doc

03:02:29.240 and

03:02:30.140 that

03:02:30.400 is

03:02:30.780 are

03:02:31.400 you

03:02:31.740 part

03:02:32.860 French

03:02:33.300 is

03:02:33.520 Dutrois

03:02:34.020 a

03:02:34.380 French

03:02:35.100 name

03:02:35.520 like

03:02:36.160 Albigensian

03:02:37.600 yes

03:02:40.020 you

03:02:40.260 are

03:02:40.400 quite

03:02:40.660 correct

03:02:41.120 I'm

03:02:41.560 a

03:02:41.940 descendant

03:02:42.620 of

03:02:42.860 a

03:02:43.020 French

03:02:43.340 Huguenot

03:02:43.960 they

03:02:45.080 came

03:02:45.580 in

03:02:46.620 1686

03:02:47.760 to

03:02:48.180 South

03:02:48.480 Africa

03:02:48.980 my

03:02:50.440 the

03:02:52.120 original

03:02:52.680 surname

03:02:53.420 was

03:02:53.960 Dutrois

03:02:54.600 and I

03:02:55.720 see

03:02:55.920 there's

03:02:56.220 even

03:02:56.720 people

03:02:59.120 with

03:02:59.420 this

03:02:59.700 surname

03:03:00.080 in

03:03:00.420 America

03:03:00.980 where

03:03:02.460 they

03:03:02.740 spell

03:03:03.480 the

03:03:03.820 de

03:03:04.060 and

03:03:04.400 twa

03:03:04.800 as

03:03:05.480 one

03:03:05.820 surname

03:03:06.320 in

03:03:06.700 South

03:03:06.940 Africa

03:03:07.360 it's

03:03:07.720 two

03:03:07.880 different

03:03:08.520 two

03:03:09.760 separate

03:03:10.300 words

03:03:10.800 but

03:03:11.100 you

03:03:11.320 are

03:03:11.480 quite

03:03:11.740 correct

03:03:12.140 it

03:03:12.320 is

03:03:12.540 a

03:03:12.700 French

03:03:13.120 surname

03:03:14.040 yeah

03:03:15.500 thanks

03:03:15.860 just

03:03:16.120 based

03:03:16.680 sorry

03:03:17.080 about

03:03:17.260 that

03:03:17.420 just

03:03:17.580 one

03:03:17.820 last

03:03:18.120 thing

03:03:18.340 yeah

03:03:18.840 I

03:03:19.140 like

03:03:19.660 this

03:03:19.960 maybe

03:03:20.240 you

03:03:20.580 and

03:03:20.720 I

03:03:20.860 can

03:03:21.040 talk

03:03:21.380 again

03:03:21.780 and

03:03:22.000 be

03:03:22.680 in

03:03:22.820 this

03:03:23.120 space

03:03:23.460 again

03:03:23.880 but

03:03:24.280 the

03:03:26.320 Kipin

03:03:27.600 I don't

03:03:28.580 know if

03:03:28.800 you're

03:03:28.920 familiar

03:03:29.240 with the

03:03:29.760 Charlemagne

03:03:30.400 line

03:03:30.700 but

03:03:30.920 that's

03:03:31.980 an

03:03:32.120 ancestor

03:03:32.640 of

03:03:32.860 mine

03:03:33.080 that

03:03:33.260 landed

03:03:33.960 in

03:03:34.400 Quebec

03:03:36.440 in

03:03:36.800 1621

03:03:37.820 so

03:03:38.200 I

03:03:38.420 have

03:03:38.680 Huguenot

03:03:39.320 and

03:03:39.520 Albigensian

03:03:40.280 history

03:03:41.680 in my

03:03:42.220 family

03:03:42.620 too

03:03:42.860 that

03:03:43.000 goes

03:03:43.200 back

03:03:43.460 to

03:03:43.580 the

03:03:43.720 Maribingian

03:03:44.340 kings

03:03:44.820 it's

03:03:45.400 pretty

03:03:45.640 fascinating

03:03:46.240 how

03:03:46.520 our

03:03:46.720 people

03:03:47.240 you

03:03:48.160 know

03:03:48.280 accumulated

03:03:49.040 all

03:03:49.480 of

03:03:49.660 this

03:03:49.940 world

03:03:50.740 travel

03:03:51.240 and

03:03:51.400 we

03:03:51.520 all

03:03:51.720 ended

03:03:52.000 up

03:03:52.220 in

03:03:52.320 these

03:03:52.540 really

03:03:53.200 interesting

03:03:53.820 places

03:03:54.380 around

03:03:54.760 the

03:03:54.940 world

03:03:55.160 so

03:03:55.540 for

03:03:56.660 everybody

03:03:56.960 in

03:03:57.200 the

03:03:57.340 space

03:03:57.700 whatever

03:03:58.320 your

03:03:58.780 European

03:03:59.780 origin

03:04:00.520 we're

03:04:00.980 all

03:04:01.260 part

03:04:01.640 of

03:04:01.760 a

03:04:01.920 larger

03:04:02.260 family

03:04:02.880 and

03:04:03.900 so

03:04:04.260 no matter

03:04:04.640 where

03:04:04.840 we get

03:04:05.160 located

03:04:05.780 the

03:04:07.500 slings

03:04:08.240 and arrow

03:04:08.720 of the

03:04:09.160 world

03:04:09.360 we've

03:04:09.640 always

03:04:10.040 been

03:04:10.300 outnumbered

03:04:11.080 we've

03:04:11.920 always

03:04:12.220 been

03:04:12.380 outnumbered

03:04:12.820 like

03:04:13.000 10

03:04:13.260 or

03:04:13.400 101

03:04:13.900 I

03:04:14.300 mean

03:04:14.480 for

03:04:15.160 our

03:04:15.380 entire

03:04:15.780 lives

03:04:16.340 and

03:04:17.640 so

03:04:18.220 it's

03:04:18.720 a

03:04:18.860 battle

03:04:19.200 that

03:04:19.500 is

03:04:19.700 going

03:04:19.940 to

03:04:20.220 rage

03:04:20.660 long

03:04:21.220 after

03:04:21.540 we're

03:04:21.780 gone

03:04:22.140 and

03:04:23.160 while

03:04:23.420 I

03:04:23.620 believe

03:04:23.940 that

03:04:24.120 we

03:04:24.300 will

03:04:24.640 achieve

03:04:25.120 success

03:04:25.740 in

03:04:26.100 many

03:04:26.540 of

03:04:26.700 our

03:04:26.860 lifetimes

03:04:27.520 cycles

03:04:28.600 always

03:04:29.180 come

03:04:29.460 and

03:04:29.620 go

03:04:29.860 so

03:04:30.220 it's

03:04:30.540 the

03:04:30.740 memory

03:04:31.140 it's

03:04:31.900 the

03:04:32.080 storytelling

03:04:32.820 it's

03:04:33.960 the

03:04:34.160 legacy

03:04:34.560 that

03:04:34.920 we

03:04:35.120 all

03:04:35.360 share

03:04:35.840 amongst

03:04:36.540 each

03:04:37.200 other

03:04:37.480 so

03:04:37.800 thanks

03:04:38.360 again

03:04:38.660 doctor

03:04:39.040 and

03:04:39.560 looking

03:04:39.820 forward

03:04:40.200 to

03:04:40.460 seeing

03:04:40.760 you

03:04:40.920 again

03:04:41.260 thanks

03:04:42.040 Johannes

03:04:42.720 for

03:04:43.440 your

03:04:43.780 timely

03:04:45.120 narratives

03:04:46.560 okay

03:04:47.120 thanks

03:04:47.640 well

03:04:50.620 thank you

03:04:51.060 very much

03:04:51.480 for everybody

03:04:52.020 that joined

03:04:52.740 and for

03:04:53.440 all the

03:04:53.620 great

03:04:53.840 questions

03:04:54.480 obviously

03:04:55.380 thank you

03:04:56.020 for

03:04:56.360 Dr.

03:04:56.800 Mike

03:04:57.020 for being

03:04:57.440 willing

03:04:57.720 to do

03:04:58.120 this

03:04:58.460 it was

03:04:59.180 a pleasure

03:04:59.560 for myself

03:05:00.340 listening

03:05:00.820 to this

03:05:01.260 even

03:05:01.660 you know

03:05:02.640 somebody

03:05:03.260 that has

03:05:03.740 met

03:05:03.980 Dr.

03:05:04.360 Mike

03:05:04.580 in real

03:05:04.980 life

03:05:05.280 listening

03:05:06.340 to his

03:05:06.760 insights

03:05:07.160 always

03:05:07.720 precious

03:05:10.040 and

03:05:10.540 important

03:05:12.280 as we

03:05:12.960 form

03:05:13.380 our

03:05:14.060 world

03:05:14.580 view

03:05:14.800 for the

03:05:15.180 future

03:05:15.600 I do

03:05:16.700 hope

03:05:16.940 that we

03:05:17.220 can do

03:05:17.520 this

03:05:17.780 again

03:05:18.060 in the

03:05:18.480 future

03:05:19.300 and I'd

03:05:19.740 like

03:05:20.000 the people

03:05:20.760 to give

03:05:21.080 an indication

03:05:21.700 if they

03:05:22.420 would be

03:05:22.880 interested

03:05:23.280 in this

03:05:23.700 yeah

03:05:26.320 thank you

03:05:27.080 very much

03:05:27.340 for everybody

03:05:27.800 put thumbs up

03:05:28.880 if you're

03:05:29.140 interested

03:05:29.520 yeah

03:05:30.960 thumbs up

03:05:31.480 if you're

03:05:31.780 interested

03:05:32.120 thank you

03:05:32.600 for everybody

03:05:33.120 that joined

03:05:34.240 and remember

03:05:34.780 the future

03:05:35.280 is wide

03:05:35.760 we will

03:05:36.240 win

03:05:36.600 we will

03:05:37.260 not

03:05:37.500 abandon

03:05:37.980 our

03:05:38.260 fatherland

03:05:38.960 at the

03:05:40.000 whims

03:05:40.420 of the

03:05:40.940 international

03:05:41.380 capitalists

03:05:42.440 South Africa

03:05:43.080 belongs to

03:05:43.720 the white

03:05:44.100 man

03:05:44.480 and yeah

03:05:45.500 freedom

03:05:46.160 for the

03:05:46.440 white

03:05:46.580 man

03:05:46.840 thank you

03:05:49.780 Dr.

03:05:50.740 Mike

03:05:50.920 do you

03:05:51.180 have any

03:05:51.460 last words

03:05:52.300 that you'd

03:05:52.720 like to

03:05:53.000 share with

03:05:53.360 the audience

03:05:53.920 and yeah

03:05:54.960 we would

03:05:55.700 love to

03:05:56.320 do this

03:05:56.720 again

03:05:57.060 and I'm

03:05:58.140 happy to

03:05:58.760 introduce

03:05:59.180 you to

03:05:59.720 other

03:06:00.100 space

03:06:00.620 hosts

03:06:01.000 and just

03:06:02.440 you'll be

03:06:03.480 doing spaces

03:06:04.560 all the

03:06:05.020 time

03:06:05.340 before you

03:06:05.860 know it

03:06:06.320 yeah you

03:06:10.000 are quite

03:06:10.500 welcome

03:06:11.020 as you

03:06:12.900 can

03:06:13.080 understand

03:06:13.760 I was

03:06:15.760 a bit

03:06:16.340 nervous

03:06:17.120 and

03:06:18.540 sometimes

03:06:19.540 when I

03:06:20.560 speak I

03:06:21.160 lose my

03:06:21.920 story

03:06:23.420 and

03:06:25.260 and then

03:06:26.560 lastly

03:06:27.180 my

03:06:29.260 homeland

03:06:29.860 which is

03:06:30.520 Afrikaans

03:06:31.340 so

03:06:31.940 so it

03:06:33.200 is

03:06:33.460 it was

03:06:34.180 difficult

03:06:35.280 for me

03:06:35.940 as a

03:06:36.480 first time

03:06:37.200 but I

03:06:38.220 think next

03:06:38.840 time I

03:06:39.480 will do

03:06:40.360 much

03:06:40.700 better

03:06:41.080 thank you

03:06:42.240 you did

03:06:44.280 amazing

03:06:45.100 you guys are

03:06:46.580 translating in

03:06:47.820 your heads

03:06:48.420 the whole

03:06:48.940 time

03:06:49.420 you know

03:06:50.620 this is our

03:06:51.880 this is our

03:06:52.480 mother tongue

03:06:53.100 and you

03:06:54.680 and Johannes

03:06:55.200 speak exquisite

03:06:56.640 English

03:06:57.260 considering

03:06:57.960 that you

03:06:59.980 speak a

03:07:00.480 language that

03:07:01.160 is so

03:07:01.640 different

03:07:02.120 from our

03:07:03.620 own so we

03:07:04.220 just want to

03:07:04.740 thank you for

03:07:05.420 your time

03:07:05.980 thank you for

03:07:07.060 your sacrifice

03:07:07.760 thank you for

03:07:08.940 your wisdom

03:07:09.520 that you

03:07:11.380 shared with us

03:07:12.000 today there's

03:07:12.840 going to be

03:07:13.140 lots of

03:07:13.720 clips to

03:07:14.260 harvest

03:07:14.580 this will be

03:07:16.260 available on

03:07:17.600 rumble

03:07:18.240 on posty

03:07:19.300 on x

03:07:20.100 we are now

03:07:22.180 crossing over

03:07:23.800 we've crossed

03:07:24.400 the threshold

03:07:25.120 over into

03:07:26.020 1488 radio

03:07:27.860 and we

03:07:29.860 just want to

03:07:30.460 reaffirm that

03:07:31.500 this is about

03:07:32.280 the 14 words

03:07:33.440 that we must

03:07:34.620 secure in

03:07:35.640 existence for

03:07:36.620 our people

03:07:37.280 and a future

03:07:38.180 for white

03:07:38.800 children this

03:07:40.060 is what this

03:07:40.660 is all about

03:07:41.360 so posty if

03:07:43.100 you want to

03:07:43.640 drop yeah

03:07:44.620 I'll drop I

03:07:45.280 just brought

03:07:45.720 white right

03:07:46.380 up I had to

03:07:46.880 drop Frank in

03:07:47.520 order to bring

03:07:47.880 him up so I

03:07:48.520 apologize Frank

03:07:49.220 but yeah I'll

03:07:50.500 drop down and

03:07:51.200 thanks everybody

03:07:52.080 and yeah it'll

03:07:52.620 be up on rumble

03:07:53.300 I'll put the

03:07:53.740 link in my

03:07:54.780 feed

03:07:55.220 I'll put the

03:08:06.880 link in my

03:08:07.960 feed

postyX - June 06, 2025

Tales from South Africa-with Johannes Agenbach and Dr Mike DuToit

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