postyX - White Excellence： Interview with Jared Taylor

00:00:00.000 Stick around for Jared Taylor.

00:00:02.240 He's coming in.

00:00:03.060 We got two based Canadian women who are of high status, in my opinion. 1.00

00:00:10.160 They are some of the best women that I've ever had the privilege of coming to meet and I guess become colleagues with and friends with.

00:00:20.460 So, yeah, really excited.

00:00:23.000 I hope everybody's having a good time.

00:00:25.160 Things are about to get more fun and more serious.

00:00:27.940 So, yeah, my heart goes out to you, as Elon Musk would say.

00:00:33.400 Thank you, everybody.

00:00:34.480 White power. 0.98

00:00:37.800 White power, white. 0.99

00:00:39.280 Yeah.

00:00:39.720 Radio, any sign off?

00:00:47.480 No volume.

00:00:50.600 All right.

00:00:51.560 He has dropped.

00:00:52.200 I just wanted to say thank you, Mythos and White and all you guys for cutting your show short for us.

00:00:59.820 We appreciate that.

00:01:00.760 And thank you for the kind words.

00:01:01.960 That actually really means a lot.

00:01:03.320 So I just wanted to say that as well.

00:01:06.880 Absolutely.

00:01:07.660 Well, I have just.

00:01:08.540 You can't make us cry.

00:01:09.000 Well, I have just done myself one of the greatest honors.

00:01:14.620 And so my my thanks back to you.

00:01:17.160 I have just approved Jared Taylor to the stage.

00:01:20.800 I'm going to go ahead and change the header here or, you know what?

00:01:24.140 I'm going to let you do it.

00:01:25.340 Posting a base.

00:01:26.280 I'm going to get you back.

00:01:27.620 I get you into these positions as co-hosts.

00:01:30.460 So hang on right there.

00:01:32.100 Jared Taylor, big thanks for making time out of your day to join us.

00:01:35.960 And I will yield and drop down and enjoy the show.

00:01:40.280 Oh, it's my pleasure to join you.

00:01:42.500 Thank you so much for inviting me.

00:01:46.440 All right.

00:01:47.760 Now I'm in the driver's seat.

00:01:49.360 Jared, buckle up.

00:01:51.760 Uh-oh.

00:01:52.660 Thank you.

00:01:54.800 Now you're in trouble.

00:01:57.000 Well, Jared, thank you for doing this with us.

00:02:01.820 I'd like to introduce you to my co-host, Posty.

00:02:05.420 She's Posty, the best co-hosty. 0.65

00:02:07.920 Yes, Posty, the co-hosty.

00:02:10.020 Posty, the best co-hosty.

00:02:12.220 And we work on part of a team called White Excellence Radio.

00:02:16.860 And I was hoping that the name of this radio show would appeal to you.

00:02:22.440 I believe that you represent White Excellence. 1.00

00:02:25.560 And as Posty and I were discussing, you know, the notes for our show, we were going like,

00:02:34.160 wow, he went to Yale.

00:02:35.580 Wow, he can speak Japanese.

00:02:37.560 Wow.

00:02:38.060 Like, you do embody a lot of what is excellent about being White. 0.96

00:02:43.580 Here on this show, we talk about the 14 words.

00:02:46.820 We must secure an existence for our people and a future for White children. 1.00

00:02:53.960 And we discuss often the 88 precepts written by David Lane.

00:02:58.760 That's what anchors us.

00:03:00.420 That's what keeps us grounded.

00:03:02.900 I'm sure you're familiar with these concepts and familiar with this language.

00:03:07.420 But I just wanted you to know a little bit about what we are about.

00:03:11.820 I know you and I have met.

00:03:14.460 But I wanted you to get a bit of a grounding as to who we are.

00:03:18.960 Well, thank you so much for this opportunity to speak.

00:03:23.860 I'm it's a real pleasure and honor to join you.

00:03:27.880 And yes, I have always believed in the view that the female is deadlier than the male. 0.99

00:03:34.500 So when you all set your minds onto something or against something, watch out.

00:03:40.500 And I certainly do approve of the concept and the practice of White excellence. 1.00

00:03:46.640 I want us to be the best possible White people we can be.

00:03:51.780 And it seems that White people have lost sight of this. 0.50

00:03:56.060 There was a time when the concept of race betterment, as it was known, was very widespread.

00:04:02.420 Certainly in the United States, in Europe.

00:04:04.940 I don't know about Canada.

00:04:06.400 Probably in the 1920s, Canadians thought the same way.

00:04:09.320 But this has all just fallen by the wayside.

00:04:12.360 And so many White people seem to have fallen in with Susan Sondag's absurd assertion. 0.99

00:04:20.380 I believe it was back in 1967 that White people are the cancer of human history. 1.00

00:04:26.380 No, no. 0.99

00:04:27.280 I think we are the best thing that ever happened to human history.

00:04:31.000 And we must live up to our heritage.

00:04:35.600 So this was one of my first questions for you.

00:04:38.920 Now, you know, without getting too much into your history, I mean, you were born in Japan.

00:04:43.260 You speak fluent Chinese or Japanese.

00:04:45.840 But what was your moment or moments where you actually became, as the kids call it, race-pilled,

00:04:53.220 when you became very aware of the situation facing White?

00:04:57.880 You know, it took a long time.

00:05:01.140 It took an embarrassingly long time.

00:05:04.660 And I'm almost ashamed to explain, really, the procedure or the process whereby I cast off my liberal illusions.

00:05:14.340 I grew up in Japan because my parents were Presbyterian missionaries.

00:05:17.860 They were Southerners, but they were liberal Southerners.

00:05:20.600 They believed that all people are children of God.

00:05:23.620 And they reared us to believe these things.

00:05:26.640 And as a matter of fact, growing up in Japan, as the one honky in town, I was certainly different.

00:05:34.020 And I was conscious of being different.

00:05:35.880 But it would not have been like growing up with Blacks or Hispanics. 0.99

00:05:40.860 My comrades were not particularly crime-prone.

00:05:44.080 They weren't particularly likely to make trouble, caught up in class.

00:05:48.540 They were generally well-behaved.

00:05:50.580 And so it was not really, believe it or not, a very good introduction into the kind of race differences with which we are mostly familiar.

00:05:58.720 And so I, oh, I stumbled on probably, well, until I was really 19 without any consciousness of race except for one particular incident

00:06:11.660 that happened when I was, I believe, eight or nine years old.

00:06:16.180 And that would have been 1958, 1959.

00:06:18.720 Your sports fans who are listening will remember the dates better than I.

00:06:24.160 But there was a heavyweight boxing match between Ingemar Johansson, a Swede, and a Black American, Floyd Patterson.

00:06:33.100 And I knew nothing about boxing.

00:06:35.320 I knew nothing about Black people.

00:06:36.720 I'd probably never met a Black person in my life.

00:06:38.420 But I remember, and this recollection was buried so deeply in my mind that it didn't come back up to the surface until I was racially conscious.

00:06:50.600 This had just been stored away so dimly in a dark room that it didn't even exist.

00:06:57.540 But I remember when I saw a newspaper photograph of this Black man standing over a white man smack on the ground, I remember thinking, well, wait, wait, wait, wait, this isn't right. 0.86

00:07:09.360 Surely there's one of our guys who can beat this guy.

00:07:12.300 It was a purely racial reaction.

00:07:16.220 And I remember asking my father, well, Dad, isn't there some white guy who can beat him?

00:07:22.980 And he says, no, no, no, Floyd Patterson.

00:07:24.720 He's the champion of the world.

00:07:25.640 My dad didn't seem disturbed at all.

00:07:28.420 But that just didn't seem right to me.

00:07:30.700 Now, I don't think it was the fact that he was Black.

00:07:33.600 He could have been an Arab or a Turk or anybody who was just not one of our guys.

00:07:40.300 But I, as an American, a white American, I felt a kind of instinctive kinship to this Swede who was a different nationality but was of the same race.

00:07:52.700 And then, as I say, I set that recollection so far away, so far in the back of my mind that you could almost say I had forgotten about it.

00:08:02.460 And I almost believe that if I had not later on come to an understanding of race and a realization that there was absolutely nothing wrong in thinking that at the time, I wonder if I ever would have recollected a recollection that was in some way one of those things, one of those forbidden things we are not supposed to think.

00:08:21.300 But it occurred to me purely spontaneously.

00:08:25.760 I was on the side of the white camp. 0.64

00:08:27.920 So that was a very early but non-formative experience because I did not, I never thought about that again.

00:08:36.480 Now, it's another curious thing.

00:08:40.200 When I was growing up, my father, he was a Presbyterian minister, a scholarly guy.

00:08:45.300 He spoke, he had studied Latin and Greek.

00:08:48.540 He was a remarkable man who has had in his life given sermons in French, Chinese, Japanese, and English.

00:08:57.340 Pretty remarkable.

00:08:58.700 And he had a good-sized library.

00:09:00.040 And I remember to this day, there was a book on his shelf called Race and Reason.

00:09:05.900 It's a book by Carlton Putnam.

00:09:08.060 It's an excellent introduction to race differences and what they mean.

00:09:12.140 I never took it down off the shelf and read it.

00:09:16.020 And I sometimes think to myself, boy, I could have saved a whole lot of time if I had read that as a child.

00:09:22.860 It is very clearly written.

00:09:24.340 I hope some of you, I see someone is flashing 100, 100, 100% and Gavin N, whoever you are, race and reason is just as fresh as if it had been written today.

00:09:36.580 I believe it was written in the 1960s.

00:09:38.920 It was a Yankees view of race relations. 0.79

00:09:41.960 And this was very, very popular in the South.

00:09:45.100 Now, my father didn't think in racial terms at all.

00:09:48.340 But later, when I became an adult, I asked my father, well, Dad, why did you have a book called Race and Reason in your library?

00:09:54.920 This was unlike anything that you stood for.

00:09:57.500 It really was out of character compared to all the liberally oriented books that you had.

00:10:02.100 He said, well, my father, that is to say, my grandfather, he was so impressed with Race and Reason that he bought up copies and sent them to all his children.

00:10:14.580 And my father never read the book, but he didn't throw it away.

00:10:17.280 He had it on his bookshelf.

00:10:18.320 And so I had that opportunity to get a real shortcut to a sensible understanding of race.

00:10:27.340 But I did not take that opportunity.

00:10:29.020 So I guess all of us have stories unless, and I am envious of those who did not go through some period of liberalism, who didn't have to struggle with releasing the illusions that are so comforting and so satisfying to people who believe the egalitarian myths.

00:10:48.700 But in any case, that was a missed chance for me, as well as the missed chance in which I was eight or nine years old.

00:10:56.520 And I never really thought over in my mind the significance of that instinctive siding with white men.

00:11:01.620 So, you know, we've been running these spaces for a long time.

00:11:09.560 And I say we, I've been an audience member for the most part.

00:11:13.120 But, you know, Posty and I do run a lot of spaces.

00:11:16.800 And I think amongst, like, ethno-nationalists, white nationalists, we're divided into a bunch of camps.

00:11:25.760 We're white nationalists, there's national socialists, some people are full-on fascists, white supremacists, they're, like, called white supremos.

00:11:34.600 And some people call themselves nationalists of an ethno-persuasion.

00:11:39.080 So, we're categorizing ourselves in all these different ways.

00:11:43.240 How do you define yourself?

00:11:45.900 How do you define them?

00:11:48.920 I use two different expressions, really.

00:11:52.020 One is that I'm a race realist.

00:11:54.620 Race is a biological phenomenon. 0.98

00:11:57.680 And this silly idea we're supposed to believe that race isn't biological,

00:12:03.160 that it's some kind of sociological optical illusion,

00:12:06.040 or, as so many people like to say, a social construct. 0.99

00:12:10.300 I mean, this is so wrong and so stupid that only, I think, very intelligent and determined people could possibly persuade themselves that it's true. 0.98

00:12:19.340 If you look at an Eskimo and you look at a Bantu, they are obviously biologically different. 1.00

00:12:26.740 And Bantus can have children for 100 generations.

00:12:29.720 They're not going to produce an Eskimo. 0.94

00:12:30.840 And somehow, we're supposed to think that these differences don't exist?

00:12:36.040 That this is just a socially constructed phenomenon?

00:12:39.680 Good grief.

00:12:41.000 The insistence that we mild this sort of rubbish is not nearly as oppressive as it was, I would say, five, six, maybe eight years ago.

00:12:50.160 But people still trot this out.

00:12:52.500 You know, race is a race.

00:12:53.880 It's just a social construct, you know.

00:12:55.720 It's got nothing to do with reality.

00:12:56.820 Whereas, I mean, you can spend $40 and get a DNA test from 23andMe or Ancestry.com,

00:13:04.100 and it'll tell you right down to half a percentage point just where your ancestors came from.

00:13:10.180 23andMe understands race.

00:13:11.500 And one of the things I like to point out is that you can quite accurately determine someone's race by analyzing.

00:13:18.840 Sorry, I'm not sure what happened there.

00:13:27.660 It might have gotten muted.

00:13:28.920 Our apologies, Jared.

00:13:30.480 Just unmute yourself one more time.

00:13:32.360 Okay, gosh.

00:13:32.980 Okay, there we go.

00:13:33.840 Just letting the audience know that we're not taking requests right now for speakers.

00:13:39.200 This is Jared's time to riff freestyle.

00:13:42.260 We may have time at the end for some questions, but not at the moment.

00:13:46.940 So just hang on to that request.

00:13:50.240 Okay, sorry.

00:13:51.260 Carry on, Jared.

00:13:52.100 Was I talking about mouth bacteria?

00:13:55.740 Yes.

00:13:56.500 Not one of my favorite subjects, but no.

00:14:00.080 I wouldn't think so.

00:14:01.000 But I was explaining what I mean by race realism.

00:14:04.980 The understanding that race is a biological phenomenon has great significance,

00:14:08.700 that the races are not interchangeable.

00:14:11.000 That if the grand, if the great replacement takes place,

00:14:14.780 then the population that is displaced, its culture,

00:14:19.320 and everything that it cares about will be swept away along with that replacement.

00:14:23.020 So the races are different.

00:14:24.740 The other word I use for myself is I'm a white advocate.

00:14:28.580 I am someone who stands up for the interests of white people. 0.79

00:14:32.400 I've been doing this for 35 years.

00:14:34.540 And it's about time.

00:14:35.920 As someone rather humorously pointed out, he was describing,

00:14:39.480 I guess he had discovered me and was very surprised that I've been doing this for so long.

00:14:43.760 And he says, oh, this is Jared Taylor guy.

00:14:45.620 He's been standing up for white people before it was even cool. 0.78

00:14:50.240 Well, I'm glad to know that it's cool now.

00:14:52.040 But it certainly wasn't cool then.

00:14:54.080 But I have resisted and I am delighted to see that far more people are openly and proudly and energetically being white advocates. 0.85

00:15:06.260 Now, you said that your question began with the various terms that people use to describe themselves.

00:15:12.600 One that I reject is the term white supremacist.

00:15:19.260 But to me, a white supremacist is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races.

00:15:25.180 I don't know anyone who feels that way.

00:15:28.080 The people that I know who are racially conscious, they want to be left alone.

00:15:31.700 Now, perhaps in your circles, there are people who want to rule over people of other races.

00:15:36.620 I think that's a bad idea.

00:15:37.920 And white supremacy is nevertheless a historical term that is accurate to describe at least part of the motivations of colonial empires in the 19th century.

00:15:51.340 Yes, there was the white man's burden.

00:15:52.880 The white man's burden came along with an interest in developing the raw materials and the trade prospects that can be found in the third world.

00:16:02.220 But it also came with a kind of missionary zeal, sometimes actually Christian missionaries, but sometimes just a determination to make life better for what were called primitive peoples.

00:16:16.020 And in many respects, colonial empires did exactly that.

00:16:19.600 It is very unfashionable to point that out.

00:16:21.500 But are we supposed to somehow believe that if the white man had not showed up, that the Indonesians or the Congolese would have discovered nuclear reactions and have engineered jet aircraft?

00:16:33.700 No, no, there's absolutely no way that would have happened.

00:16:36.520 Our presence in these areas vastly improved their lives.

00:16:40.940 And if you talk to some people who lived in previously colonized countries, particularly in Africa, many will tell you, yes, life was better when white people ran the show. 0.97

00:16:53.340 And in fact, this gets around to another one of my formative influences.

00:16:57.480 This is when I was 19 years old.

00:16:59.560 I had dropped out of college and I was something of a vagabond and I was vagabonding in Europe.

00:17:05.820 And then it got cold and so I went south and I crossed the Straits of Gibraltar into Africa.

00:17:12.820 And even in Morocco and Tunisia, it was getting cold.

00:17:17.000 So I went further south and then I crossed the Sahara.

00:17:18.800 And I was in Ivory Coast for a while after having passed through such places as Senegal and the Gambia, as it was known then.

00:17:34.480 And so there I was in Ivory Coast.

00:17:38.080 And Ivory Coast is reasonably well run.

00:17:40.060 I was impressed by the streets that were relatively well paved.

00:17:43.840 The Ivorians, as they're called, they generally had one, maybe two, or fairly sharp outfits.

00:17:51.380 They took very, very good care of them and they wore the same one every day, perhaps.

00:17:55.840 But they tried to look good.

00:17:59.040 But then I moved into Liberia.

00:18:01.540 Liberia, as you all know, was settled by freed African slaves.

00:18:07.880 They were Americo-Liberians, as they called themselves.

00:18:10.980 They referred to the Native Africans as Aborigines and they treated them almost like slaves themselves.

00:18:17.620 They reproduced something of the social system from which they had been liberated back in the United States of America.

00:18:23.260 In any case, Liberia compared to Ivory Coast was a wreck, a complete wreck. 0.66

00:18:31.220 There were potholes in the streets big enough to swallow a truck.

00:18:35.320 Every building seemed to be tumbled down.

00:18:38.160 Every Liberian seemed to be dressed in rags. 0.98

00:18:41.220 And as was my practice at that time, I was a dropout college student.

00:18:46.820 So I liked to go to the capital city of a country and go to the university and meet young people, college students.

00:18:53.660 So they've liked to have a certain amount on the ball.

00:18:56.760 And I remember asking a young Liberian man.

00:19:00.380 I said, look, I don't mean to be rude.

00:19:01.620 But having come from Ivory Coast, where everything seems to work pretty reasonably well, why is your country such a mess? 1.00

00:19:10.160 And he said, oh, that's a very easy question to answer.

00:19:13.860 We did not have the benefit of being colonized by white people. 0.98

00:19:17.640 Now, as a 19-year-old, I thought, gracious, how can this be?

00:19:21.280 Colonization was supposed to be this ruthlessly exploitative thing that made life miserable for colonial subjects and unfairly enriched the colonizer.

00:19:30.700 But that, too, was that that is something that I never forgot.

00:19:35.680 And that was one of the things that pushed me ever so gently in a direction of a better understanding of race.

00:19:42.380 So that's a long answer to your questions of what terms that I used for myself to describe my racial views.

00:19:50.600 But it was a very good answer.

00:19:52.360 That's for sure.

00:19:53.140 And you went to Liberia.

00:19:55.200 We talk about Liberia.

00:19:57.280 You know, there's almost like the mythology of Liberia.

00:19:59.900 But you were you were there.

00:20:02.180 That's amazing.

00:20:03.740 I want to introduce you to one of our panelists.

00:20:06.800 His name is White Wright.

00:20:07.900 White, are you there? 0.95

00:20:10.300 White, if your microphone's still on, I'm not sure.

00:20:13.420 Because we were we were discussing this like yesterday about not wanting.

00:20:20.480 You know, you're saying that whites just want to be left alone for the most part and not wanting to particularly colonize anymore to rule over others.

00:20:32.040 You know, it's it's something we just want to be left alone.

00:20:35.200 We just want to we just want to have our own spaces and have safe places where we can raise our children.

00:20:42.480 And due to multiculturalism, multiracialism, this is just not being permitted of us anymore. 0.99

00:20:51.160 And I suppose you've spoken to the gentleman from Return to the Land.

00:20:57.600 We've interviewed Arval, who is a fantastic representative from that organization.

00:21:04.180 And I'm wondering, you know, will is there, in your view, any chance that this multiculturalism will ever work or is it all headed towards hell in a handbasket or, you know, a freight train headed towards a wall? 0.96

00:21:22.860 So what are your what are your thoughts about either an all like looking towards all white communities or trying to make a multiracial, multicultural society work?

00:21:35.340 To me, the idea of building a society in which race can be made not a matter is a complete and utter misreading of human nature.

00:21:46.320 I think that my reaction as an eight year old to the defeat of the white man by the black man in the boxing ring, that is a reflection of real human nature.

00:21:56.500 And you can find Americans and I'm sure Canadians who claim to be fully assimilated.

00:22:01.880 But if they are from China, say, and in the finals in the Olympics, if the Chinese team is playing, the Canadian team, the American team, what do they root for?

00:22:12.480 What do they root for? There is something that is very basic that cannot be got rid of.

00:22:18.340 Now, perhaps in very small numbers, people genuinely do assimilate to a different culture, a different religion, a different texture of life, something utterly unlike that in which they were reared and that to which they are that biological for that from which they are the biological product.

00:22:35.080 I think those people are very small.

00:22:36.420 And I liken it really to the kind of misreading of human nature that went into attempting to build communism.

00:22:43.780 Communism attracted a lot of psychopaths, but it also attracted a lot of very idealistic people.

00:22:50.440 It sounds wonderful.

00:22:51.640 We're going to live from each according to his ability to each according to his need.

00:22:55.460 In effect, communism was supposed to abolish selfishness.

00:22:58.820 Wow, what an idea.

00:23:00.280 Heaven on earth.

00:23:00.900 Well, obviously it didn't work and it didn't work because it was a complete misunderstanding of human nature.

00:23:08.680 People are simply not going to work as hard on a collective farm as they're going to work on their own private plot of land.

00:23:16.120 You have to have incentives that make sense.

00:23:19.900 And so communism struggled along for 70, 80 years until it finally collapsed because I think it absolutely had to collapse.

00:23:28.060 And as we see in a place like China, for example, they have completely modified the whole idea of communism.

00:23:34.260 China, the government there, I would say it's more close to something like a sort of national socialism than to anything like the kind of dictatorship of the proletariat or the withering away of the state that Karl Marx and Engels talked about.

00:23:51.880 Now, that's just completely gone.

00:23:54.640 I don't think any person who is in charge of running a country even thinks remotely in those terms.

00:24:00.800 So the idea that we're going to have this multi-culti, happy world in which we're all going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya.

00:24:08.280 Oh, I mean, we've tried it.

00:24:11.280 A lot of places have tried it.

00:24:12.860 Where is it working?

00:24:14.260 Show me a success.

00:24:15.860 Show me a case in which this is just going great guns.

00:24:19.320 No, when people come to the United States or when they come to Canada or Europe from the third world, they don't come because there's diversity.

00:24:30.140 Absolutely not.

00:24:31.020 They come because our societies work better than theirs.

00:24:36.000 They're coming from countries where their ancestors made a mess of things. 1.00

00:24:39.980 And they are coming to countries where our ancestors made something that was successful.

00:24:45.100 We have very, very foolishly opened our doors to people who wish to improve their lives by coming to live with us.

00:24:54.360 They're not coming because, oh, we want to give them the wonderful gift of diversity.

00:24:59.380 Absolutely not.

00:25:00.760 They come because they can live better.

00:25:02.980 And in many cases, not only are they unable to become us, they have no desire to become us.

00:25:12.240 They want a higher standard of living and they want to maintain their own folk ways, their own religions, their own way of doing everything. 0.87

00:25:22.100 So, no, the idea that somehow diversity is a strength.

00:25:26.200 I mean, this is like a mantra, certainly in the United States.

00:25:28.380 Not only is it America's strength, it's America's greatest strength. 0.96

00:25:32.340 I mean, any bonehead can just look around and see, well, wait, wait, wait.

00:25:36.620 Diversity is a constant source of tension, of hostility, of constant jockeying for position, a strength. 0.96

00:25:46.140 And yet people pronounce those words as if they were some sort of mantra.

00:25:52.320 I sometimes wonder if they really are paying any attention to words they use.

00:25:57.800 But, no, I don't think it's possible.

00:26:00.360 And if it were possible, if it were possible for people of different races, cultures, religions, etc.

00:26:06.700 to live together harmoniously, that would be no good for us either.

00:26:10.520 Because we are not having enough children even to maintain our numbers.

00:26:15.720 And the people who come here, they come from more fertile countries, more fertile cultures, and they will replace us by pure biology, even if, even if, and of course, this is not a premise I grant, even if you can make a successful multiracial society. 0.99

00:26:33.700 So, this is our death knell, if we persist along these lines, unless we have places, nations, certainly communities that are ours forever, it is a slow process of extinction.

00:26:50.820 And to me, it is a mystery why so few white people recognize this.

00:26:56.520 And those who even have a glimmering of recognition, they don't dare speak out about it, and they certainly don't raise a finger to try to fight this process of dispossession.

00:27:08.220 So, no, we face the prospect of extinction.

00:27:11.380 That's long and short of it.

00:27:12.820 I don't want my people to go extinct.

00:27:15.500 White people are my extended family.

00:27:17.800 It doesn't mean that I have hostility to anybody else's family.

00:27:21.580 But white people are my family.

00:27:23.800 We are a brotherhood of Europeans, wherever we may live.

00:27:27.220 We're all in this together, and we are fighting for our survival. 0.96

00:27:31.580 And to me, again, it is astonishing how few white people recognize this and how eager, not just non-whites, but white people are to say that if you think in those terms, somehow you are evil and perverted.

00:27:45.020 No, it's the most natural, normal thing in the world for you to want your people to survive and caution.

00:27:49.900 Jared, I'd like to introduce you to one of our regular panelists here.

00:27:55.740 He's one of our high IQ bros.

00:27:58.620 His name is, oh, he was Radio Race Warrior, and he got gas.

00:28:03.200 I don't know.

00:28:03.940 He was right there.

00:28:05.340 I think he might have just dropped down.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, he's got, like, unpredictable Wi-Fi.

00:28:13.580 White Reich, I see you signaling. 0.93

00:28:15.100 Are you there, brother?

00:28:17.440 Because I tried to call out at you.

00:28:19.320 Yes.

00:28:20.180 Ah, good.

00:28:21.280 Yes, I'm here.

00:28:21.900 I just didn't want to interrupt Jared.

00:28:24.220 Okay.

00:28:25.080 So, yeah, I didn't know if you wanted to comment on that.

00:28:27.660 I'm back, Beth.

00:28:28.520 Sorry about that.

00:28:29.320 I'm back.

00:28:29.560 Oh, yeah.

00:28:30.100 Thank you.

00:28:30.900 Welcome back, Radio.

00:28:33.220 Okay.

00:28:33.780 So, I'll give White, if you wanted to comment, and then, of course, Radio, he's more than welcome.

00:28:38.780 Yeah, so you brought up R-VOL and the Return to the Land project, and I'm not sure, Jared, if you're familiar with the Return to the Land project.

00:28:51.440 More or less, it's, as simplified as I could put it, it's intentional communities using the PMA model, which is a private membership association models.

00:29:04.040 So, that way, Whites can't. 1.00

00:29:06.300 I'm quite familiar with it.

00:29:07.620 Okay.

00:29:07.920 Yeah, he did an interview.

00:29:08.920 He actually did an interview with the, yeah.

00:29:11.080 Yes.

00:29:12.000 Oh, okay.

00:29:12.920 That's awesome.

00:29:13.600 I think the meeting is wonderful.

00:29:14.540 It's absolutely wonderful.

00:29:16.240 I'd love to go to Arania.

00:29:17.900 I'd love to go to their, Orval's establishment.

00:29:21.960 But, yes, I'm very familiar with that.

00:29:23.420 I think it is a profoundly important movement that we need to encourage and support in every possible way.

00:29:28.140 Would you think that this is kind of our way of using the law in our favor to solidify ourselves and potentially balkanize areas of the United States to make sure that, you know, we do maintain our homelands?

00:29:47.720 Do you view it as effective?

00:29:50.900 Yes.

00:29:51.500 I think it is a start.

00:29:52.960 In historic terms, given that we used to own this continent, it seems like a dismally small start, but it is an absolutely necessary start.

00:30:04.940 And let us hope that many, many communities of this kind are established, and let us hope that they expand, grow.

00:30:13.220 And so, I believe that our salvation will certainly not come at the federal level.

00:30:18.140 We have to take things into our own hands, first of all, in our own neighborhoods, build racially conscious neighborhoods.

00:30:25.640 And, of course, this is so important because that is the only sure way of rearing racially healthy children.

00:30:33.760 You may have a complete understanding of race, you and your wife.

00:30:38.420 But if your children are surrounded by people who are utterly unaware of the importance of race, you can't guarantee that your children will end up thinking as you do.

00:30:49.040 And one of the great things about religious communities, take, for example, the Mormons.

00:30:54.220 Mormons, they often have their social circle identical to their church circle.

00:30:59.900 And this is a great thing because this means that when their children go play with other Mormon children, they can be 100% certain that they are in a home for people who see things the way they do.

00:31:10.460 Now, there was a time when the Mormons had a pretty healthy attitude towards race that's beginning to crumble. 0.81

00:31:16.340 But at least if you are a Mormon and you care about Mormonism and you care about your children staying within the faith, you can be confident that when your children go to play with people from the same congregation, they are along on the same wavelength.

00:31:30.900 Imagine a community of 400 households.

00:31:34.740 And every single one of those 400 households is headed by a man and a woman or perhaps a single man or a single woman who thinks the way we do.

00:31:44.760 Every child.

00:31:45.840 And ideally, it would have its own school or school district.

00:31:49.940 What a world that would be and how different it would be from what we have now.

00:31:54.120 So, yes, we have to start small because that's the only way we can do it.

00:31:57.920 We're not going to have a federal election in which we persuade the entire country.

00:32:04.020 Well, white people were the victims of a terrible con job.

00:32:09.300 Nobody asked them if they wanted to be a minority. 0.84

00:32:11.240 This is a terrible, terrible thing that's been done to whites. 0.99

00:32:14.140 We need to reverse it.

00:32:15.140 And if we can't reverse it, well, then at the very least, we should give white people a generous part of the country that is exclusively theirs, where they can hold their own destinies in their own hands and try to rebuild from these decades and decades of self-mortification, this whole denaturing of our nature. 0.83

00:32:35.140 No, you're not going to get the federal government to agree to that.

00:32:37.660 Impossible.

00:32:38.660 You have to build that small.

00:32:40.120 And ideally, then you can break out to the county level, perhaps even to a state.

00:32:46.720 And to me, the ideal, of course, would be to have some kind of secession movement that resulted in genuine sovereignty.

00:32:55.580 That may or may not be possible, but that is the direction in which I believe we must strive.

00:33:01.620 And there are similar movements in European countries as well.

00:33:04.920 I know that there is a British organization that's trying to do the same thing.

00:33:08.740 So, all of us look to Orania.

00:33:12.980 Now, Orania, again, it's a very small place.

00:33:15.940 And it has a slender, meager existence in South Africa, which is, of course, run by people who are extremely jealous and envious of any kind of white success. 0.80

00:33:28.280 And they are at mercy of the surrounding hostile government.

00:33:32.580 Well, a white community would likewise be at mercy of a surrounding hostile government in North America. 0.61

00:33:39.740 But at least if people do things sensibly, I think that this is a very, very important first step.

00:33:45.520 And the people who are organizing these communities, I support them absolutely 100%.

00:33:50.280 Sorry, were you going based?

00:34:03.900 I know we have Mythos and John.

00:34:07.680 Hold on.

00:34:08.080 I don't know if based is still.

00:34:09.100 If I could squeeze in quickly.

00:34:13.580 Yeah, sure.

00:34:14.040 Go ahead, Radio.

00:34:15.080 And then we can, you know, get to you.

00:34:16.800 I saw Mythos had a question as well.

00:34:18.620 But, Jared, thanks for coming on.

00:34:20.600 I wanted to get your take.

00:34:22.580 You know, language is important.

00:34:23.980 You're a very well-spoken and educated guy.

00:34:26.100 Anyway, on the whole hyphenated American concept, I think some people have given some airtime to this.

00:34:34.320 But, you know, obviously just to define what I'm referring to, the African-American, the Chinese-American, the whole hyphenated anybody with papers.

00:34:43.900 You come here, you go through the process, and, you know, your green card is your ticket to becoming an American.

00:34:53.700 Where do you land on that?

00:34:55.180 I think, you know, I know everyone falls victim to it.

00:34:58.400 I even have to catch myself.

00:35:00.020 I'm doing a hyphenated American thing.

00:35:01.660 I noticed you do it.

00:35:02.900 It's probably even subconscious.

00:35:04.780 But I wanted to just get your thoughts on that.

00:35:07.420 You know, do you think that that's kind of a slippery slope?

00:35:11.960 Should we not be using that?

00:35:13.400 Do you think that that's a counterproductive sort of thing to even do?

00:35:19.300 Do you have any thoughts on that?

00:35:21.540 When I talk about African-Americans, I'm always being ironic. 1.00

00:35:25.180 In my podcast, I talk about our African-American fellow citizens.

00:35:29.200 I used to talk about our dusky brethren, but my podcast co-host, Paul Kersey, suggested that sounded a little bit demeaning.

00:35:40.160 And so instead, I use a kind of ironic, elevating tone.

00:35:44.220 Our African-American fellow citizens.

00:35:47.400 You know, the idea of being against hyphenated Americans goes all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt.

00:35:51.580 And before that, and for him, hyphenated Americans were Italian Americans or Swedish Americans.

00:35:58.940 He says, to heck with that.

00:36:00.380 You got to cut that. 0.57

00:36:01.220 You got to cut that hyphen.

00:36:02.260 Every one of us is an American.

00:36:04.380 Now, that was possible when every one of us going into the so-called melting pot was European.

00:36:09.740 The melting pot worked perfectly, so long as there were Europeans. 1.00

00:36:12.620 After three generations, no matter where you were from in Europe, with a few exceptions, after three generations, you were indistinguishable from anyone else in terms of your likelihood to go to college, your household income, and your likelihood to marry outside of your own ethnic group.

00:36:31.100 The only exceptions to that rule were Jews. 0.96

00:36:35.400 Every other European group, every other European group, after three generations, they were pretty much Americans.

00:36:41.420 Now, they might celebrate Italian feast days, or they might have a Swedish club that they went to.

00:36:48.960 But in terms of the big indices, the important indices of how they had assimilated, they had assimilated.

00:36:55.840 That work, when you are of the same blood, the same culture, the same history.

00:37:01.820 So, that was the kind of hyphenation that Teddy Roosevelt was reigning against.

00:37:06.780 Now, when you start talking about African Americans, or, I don't know, Indian Americans, no, no, I don't consider them, I'm sorry.

00:37:15.440 They may have passports, but they're not Americans in the sense that I am an American. 0.86

00:37:20.800 I'm sorry.

00:37:21.820 They have citizenship.

00:37:22.840 Citizenship does not make you an American.

00:37:25.840 I remember Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:37:28.380 She was all upset years ago about any kind of barriers to people who wanted to hop the border and come to America.

00:37:34.620 She says, these are better Americans than the people who are already here. 0.99

00:37:38.240 What utter, utter foolishness. 0.89

00:37:40.600 Can you imagine going to India or China and saying, hey, I'm a better Chinaman than the people who have been here for a thousand years? 0.97

00:37:48.360 Oh, they'd call for the men in the white coats.

00:37:50.940 They'd put you in a rubber room. 0.98

00:37:52.320 They'd say, no, this guy's insane.

00:37:53.760 But here in the United States, you could have been here ever since the Mayflower. 0.97

00:37:57.660 But if you want the country to stay European, oh, my gosh, you're not a good American. 0.54

00:38:01.840 Some guy who has just crawled through the bars, he is a better American than you are. 1.00

00:38:06.920 No, this is absolute and total foolishness.

00:38:09.980 Now, the fact of being a European means that at some fundamental level, I feel a greater kinship with an Estonian, for example.

00:38:19.620 Now, as it turns out, Estonians all speak English so we can communicate.

00:38:22.540 But even if they didn't speak English, Estonians are my people in a way that the folks who live in Detroit, the south side of Chicago, are not my people.

00:38:34.620 And it's amusing to me to think back upon my almost infant reaction to that Lloyd Patterson, Ingemar Johansson fight.

00:38:45.800 That guy, that guy who won, the fellow who knocked out the white guy, he's not my people. 0.77

00:38:50.700 The white guy, he's my man.

00:38:53.000 So, no, the idea that, no, again, again, I assure you, when I talk about African-Americans, I use the term with a self-conscious sort of irony. 0.81

00:39:04.520 Quick follow on that, Jared.

00:39:05.780 That's a really good explanation.

00:39:07.280 Is there any way to kind of defang that?

00:39:09.320 Because that's weaponized against us in the modern context.

00:39:12.600 I think you just agree of it as well as anybody I've ever heard.

00:39:16.440 But it's weaponized in the modern context heavily.

00:39:19.740 In what sense do you mean weaponized?

00:39:23.160 Well, it's used as a way to connotate that these hyphenated modern hyphenated Americans, which are effectively all, you know, non-Americans, are in fact.

00:39:35.200 So it's sort of it's been co-opted.

00:39:36.980 The term once once had a historical meaning, which you just laid out, it's taken on a new meaning and it's sort of been taken over and co-opted and used, frankly, against, you know, heritage Americans and more founding stock Americans.

00:39:51.320 Well, it's significant to me that they use it at all.

00:39:53.240 Well, if race really doesn't matter, aren't they just Americans?

00:39:57.480 Why call them anything else?

00:39:59.260 You call them African-Americans because in a very important sense, they are Africans.

00:40:05.480 Almost nobody calls us European-Americans.

00:40:08.360 We're the Americans.

00:40:09.340 They're the newcomers. 0.98

00:40:10.380 They're the African-Americans.

00:40:11.460 They're the Indian-Americans.

00:40:12.420 They're the Chinese-Americans.

00:40:13.580 The Japanese-Americans.

00:40:14.820 We're the Americans.

00:40:16.120 And for them to use those terms, it seems to be underlines that very fast.

00:40:20.380 Well said.

00:40:26.720 I'm going to test my mic.

00:40:28.240 Check, check.

00:40:29.200 Yep, we can hear you.

00:40:30.320 You're good.

00:40:30.880 Okay, man.

00:40:31.820 It was so good.

00:40:32.660 I was like trying to unmute myself and I wouldn't unmute.

00:40:36.620 Okay, this is another thing we can get into, Jared, but like the H-1B workers doing the jeet tech behind the scenes, it's a catastrophe. 0.81

00:40:46.460 I've got John here.

00:40:48.060 He's another member of our tribe, and then Mythos and Boyce, you know, give it heck.

00:40:54.940 Go ahead, John.

00:40:56.640 Thank you.

00:40:57.440 Hi, Mr. Taylor.

00:40:58.740 My name is John Gahagan, and I wanted to ask you about the foundation of American Renaissance in the 90s, early 90s.

00:41:05.960 What was your rationale and what brought forward the need to establish your own publication, and what type of immediate effect came from you getting your voice out there in that method?

00:41:16.920 Well, the reason I did so is because of all the things we've been discussing, the prospect of future extinction.

00:41:25.060 I became aware of that gradually in the 1980s, and by 1990, which is when I founded American Renaissance, I was determined to do something about it.

00:41:35.980 And at that time, pretty much the only people who were saying anything about this were Ku Klux Klansmen, or there were some very, very obscure groups.

00:41:47.680 You could write off to distant PO boxes.

00:41:51.500 You could subscribe to something called InstaRation, which was published by a guy named Wilmot Robinson, but he was very much undercover.

00:42:00.060 He published articles by people only by pseudonym.

00:42:03.300 I wanted to be completely out of the closet, so to speak.

00:42:07.960 And I had the very naive idea that if you just make these arguments plainly, gently, and with goodwill, that they would catch on.

00:42:19.440 If the only people talking about the survival of whites were, well, I don't want to run them down unnecessarily, but if they were people who did not make a good impression, then it's understandable their ideas might not take off.

00:42:34.320 So, I was very disappointed that despite the fact that I thought I was saying very, very reasonable things, it did not take off at all.

00:42:42.380 And I'll tell you this, probably for about the first 10 years of running American Renaissance, I thought I might simply be making a record. 0.85

00:42:53.220 So, that when the editor of the great Chinese world encyclopedia in 2100 came to the question of whatever happened to the white people, he, if he did enough research, he would discover that not every one of us was a fool or a coward.

00:43:12.580 But I kept at it because I thought somebody had to be standing up for us, even just, as I say, to leave a kind of historical record.

00:43:20.820 Well, now it's not that way at all.

00:43:22.260 There are so many more people.

00:43:25.320 One of the only good things about being old is that I see so much progress.

00:43:30.760 So many young people who, by the time they're 25, they know everything I knew by the time I was 50.

00:43:37.200 The kind of people who are in our movement now, smart, level-headed, not at all crazy, got good jobs, girlfriends, wives, families.

00:43:47.320 This, to me, this, to me, is tremendously encouraging.

00:43:50.260 Every now and then, some young person will say, well, God, you know, you really inspired me.

00:43:55.220 Well, the young people inspire me.

00:43:58.400 So, there has been a 100% change in that respect.

00:44:01.480 So, I'm no longer just making a record.

00:44:04.600 I feel as though I am part of a movement.

00:44:06.340 I might be like Moses.

00:44:07.820 I won't set foot in the promised land, perhaps.

00:44:13.240 But I think I can see a possible promised land.

00:44:17.360 Certainly, certainly, in a way, much more vividly than when I got going, or even, say, seven or eight years ago.

00:44:25.220 Things are, there is just, I think, an unstoppable pit of steam built up behind the idea that white people have got to wake up,

00:44:37.360 or we will just be shoved aside, and that would be a terrible, terrific tragedy.

00:44:43.680 I think that our movement is now unstoppable.

00:44:46.080 What form it will take, what the actual mechanisms of our achieving, what any of us would call success or victory, I can't predict.

00:44:55.060 But there are just too many of us.

00:44:56.600 And I think there are more of us all the time.

00:44:58.300 Thank you very much for the answer, Mr. Taylor.

00:45:03.300 Definitely interesting history behind that publication.

00:45:07.560 Yes.

00:45:08.120 Well, one thing is, the Internet was a huge help.

00:45:11.120 When we were merely a paper publication, we never had more than 5,000 subscribers, often 3,000, 4,000.

00:45:19.600 But with the Internet, you can, of course, reach far, far, far, far more people.

00:45:24.760 And, of course, that's why the Internet clamped down.

00:45:27.440 Now, I've probably been kicked off of more platforms than just about anybody shy of Laurel Loomer.

00:45:35.000 At least I still have a ride share, a ride share account.

00:45:39.140 But, no, it was very clear when the Internet opened up and people with our point of view actually had an opportunity to present our positions.

00:45:51.720 Then the other side discovered, well, my gosh, these guys are too successful.

00:45:56.600 But we need to shut them up. 0.99

00:45:58.680 And, of course, it is despicable and cowardly.

00:46:02.260 We had a wonderful YouTube channel.

00:46:04.620 I think it was 2016.

00:46:07.380 Gosh, nine years ago.

00:46:08.760 It was going great guns.

00:46:10.600 We would get 300, 400, sometimes half a million, 1,000, 400,000, half a million views.

00:46:17.660 But they just thought, well, and rather than taking the view that, well, gosh, if this guy's wrong, then we will encourage people to refute him.

00:46:25.260 No, no, no.

00:46:26.680 To me, it is just contemptible cowardice on the part of people who say, well, no, no.

00:46:31.980 We're just going to shut these people up.

00:46:33.260 We can't refute them.

00:46:34.500 And we can't explain why they're wrong.

00:46:36.420 We can't explain why we disagree with them.

00:46:38.600 We just do.

00:46:39.680 And so we're not even going to let you listen to them.

00:46:41.860 But this is the kind of thing we faced.

00:46:43.880 But, again, if there are enough of us, they cannot keep us all down.

00:46:50.160 That's what we talk about here.

00:46:52.220 And this is about generating excitement on this radio show.

00:46:56.640 It's about collectivism.

00:46:59.040 It's about the development of white consciousness. 0.76

00:47:01.840 I know thanks to the boys on this panel, thanks to yourself.

00:47:07.060 The first time I was introduced to the concept of Jared Taylor was on Rebel News, guys.

00:47:16.500 Gavin McInnes interviewed Jared Taylor and was the first to imitate white.

00:47:22.700 And that was quite some time ago.

00:47:25.040 But I didn't know about you, and I didn't know about these ideas.

00:47:28.480 And I've come quite far.

00:47:29.740 And now I'm in the company of Radio Race War, White Reich, and Mythos, and John here and yourself. 0.69

00:47:36.140 And so I'm amongst great people.

00:47:39.680 And I've got Mythos with his hand up, White Reich. 1.00

00:47:42.940 You guys go ahead.

00:47:44.300 And then I've got a question after that.

00:47:46.040 Go, boys.

00:47:48.480 Thank you very much, Baste.

00:47:50.240 And, yeah, this is humbling.

00:47:54.200 And you said it well, Jared, that you didn't say it quite like this.

00:48:00.420 But, you know, I will admit we stand on the shoulders of giants such as yourself.

00:48:04.880 And it was all of last year.

00:48:09.280 There was a lot of talk of shows like Spaces, you know, just a kind of a cacophony of everything from blatant racism to pro-white talking points.

00:48:24.360 And, you know, sorting out, you know, what this even is for me.

00:48:30.520 You know, as somebody, you know, with a particular background, I share an experience with you.

00:48:35.020 In fact, when I watched Chuck Liddell fight Rampage Jackson, I was certainly on the side of Chuck Liddell.

00:48:43.980 And I knew back then it was just a little thing is like, I'm racist.

00:48:47.740 I know I'm racist.

00:48:49.200 And I knew why I wanted Chuck Liddell to beat Rampage Jackson.

00:48:54.600 So I share that experience with you.

00:48:57.360 But to the point of where we're at today, and thank you so much for sharing your optimism.

00:49:04.140 I share it as well, that this is unstoppable, that, you know, I choose to dedicate myself to the securing of our future for our people and a future for white children that I have. 0.94

00:49:20.520 And I'm very optimistic about that, that we will.

00:49:23.920 Again, to your point, when that will happen and what form it will take, we're still in the formative years of this.

00:49:31.540 But I saw a turn last year, and toward the end of the year, I was solidified that we would move away from the more, you know, angry and resentful or blaming rhetoric to more of a, to 2025 would be a pro-white formative position. 0.61

00:49:55.100 That we would actually take a position that is kind of normie friendly to a point that will move this movement as we are.

00:50:07.640 And I just, I like think of it as just a nation.

00:50:10.520 It moves our nation more toward a collective consciousness that we're going to get into and build.

00:50:17.820 You know, it, you, one of the things that you brought up in a, in a video that you posted, and by the way, welcome, long overdue, welcome back to, to Twitter.

00:50:31.700 Remember, we all were here watching the banter about, hey, Elon, what about Jared Taylor?

00:50:40.580 Hey, you know, so we were all on that bandwagon, just so you know, promoting for Elon to let you back on, on stage here.

00:50:48.660 And we're very glad he did.

00:50:50.160 But I'll, I'll finish this quickly and let you respond.

00:50:53.620 One of your, one of your posts was very intriguing in the way that you were communicating how to collectivize as white people.

00:51:04.700 It was about like getting together with white people.

00:51:07.140 You didn't need to make a poster about it or, or make it explicit.

00:51:11.340 You would, you were just getting with your friends and celebrating together pro-white relationships. 0.56

00:51:21.780 And I don't know if you recall that video, but it was, it was very, it was very poignant at the time because it is, it's like, where do we go from here?

00:51:33.640 How, how public should we be about a pro-white collective movement and, and organizing our people versus kind of just doing it naturally, but somewhat clandestine.

00:51:50.700 And, and that's kind of where I'm at as, as a person, as a part of all of this is what, what's the public, is everybody else has a, has a, a group, an advocacy group that is clearly able to push their talking points and push their interests.

00:52:09.140 And white people are the default that is being attacked constantly.

00:52:14.140 Do you think it's, it's, it's a apropos at this time to come out with a group that says we are pro-European heritage and we are pro-white and we are going to advocate for our interests without shame or guilt or acceptance of the smears that come thereof.

00:52:40.500 Do you, do you, do you think that's around the corner here for us?

00:52:50.500 You're on mute again, Jared.

00:52:51.840 Yep. Yep. Yep. I keep forgetting. First of all, I came out 35 years ago. I thought, obviously we needed people who stood up for white people and who were not the least bit ashamed of it and who didn't hide behind pseudonyms.

00:53:11.480 Everyone has to make his or her own decision on that. Some people have jobs that they could lose. Some people have positions in society that would be jeopardized if they took a public position.

00:53:24.840 So that is an individual decision. I have generally taken the view that I'm grateful for anything that anyone is willing to do.

00:53:34.240 And it is not my place to reproach them for the things that they are unwilling to do.

00:53:39.680 Everyone has to make his own decision and own lines entirely. That's up to him.

00:53:46.240 But let's face it. There are more and more people all the time that are entirely open about this.

00:53:53.040 And you raised the whole question of being normie friendly.

00:53:57.060 I've tried to be normie friendly right from the start, because if we are to succeed, yes, it is true.

00:54:05.240 Our numbers are growing. But for us really to succeed,

00:54:09.660 simply more people who now disagree with us have to agree with us.

00:54:15.180 How do we make that happen?

00:54:17.120 That to me has been my life's work for the last 35 years.

00:54:22.140 How is it that we make people who do not agree with us agree with us?

00:54:26.900 And I have various ideas about that.

00:54:28.860 One is that although we are in some senses revolutionaries,

00:54:33.380 we really do want to turn the zeitgeist inside out and upside down.

00:54:38.380 But I believe we have to be the most unrevolutionary acting and appearing and sounding revolutions in all histories of revolutions.

00:54:48.760 Anyone who is going to listen to any of us make a point in our own interests

00:54:54.560 is going to be looking for something, some reason, some reason.

00:54:58.860 Oh, no, this guy's no good.

00:55:00.500 Oh, this guy's all wrong.

00:55:01.980 And they will take any excuse.

00:55:04.680 If you dress funny, if you talk funny, if you say something insulting or mean-spirited,

00:55:11.380 they are going to look for any opportunity to say, oh, this guy's just driven by hate.

00:55:16.060 And by the way, the other side, I think they coined an absolutely brilliant term 0.91

00:55:20.360 when they decided to call us hate mongers, hate mongers.

00:55:23.940 Well, of course, hate's got nothing to do with it.

00:55:26.720 The whole 14 words.

00:55:28.060 Where's the hate in the 14 words?

00:55:29.860 Nowhere.

00:55:30.640 We care about our children.

00:55:31.780 Where's the hate in that?

00:55:32.880 No, none.

00:55:33.880 But they have been very, very successful at saying, OK, any white person, in effect, 0.97

00:55:38.840 who doesn't want to go extinct, he's a hate monger. 0.92

00:55:42.320 And that has stuck.

00:55:44.040 Of course, you repeat something that is untrue long enough and often enough, and it sticks.

00:55:50.240 So that is one of the things that we have to be very careful about, never to appear mean-spirited.

00:55:55.300 And one of my rules is, I never ask for anything for white people that I'm not perfectly happy 0.99

00:56:02.400 to grant to other people.

00:56:04.440 I want other people to have the rights of freedom of association.

00:56:08.600 I want them to be the best versions of themselves possible.

00:56:13.420 I want black people to be the best possible black people they can be. 0.89

00:56:17.600 Go ahead. 0.96

00:56:18.780 Build Wakanda.

00:56:19.600 That is what I want for you.

00:56:22.240 And I like to make the point that how can black people be happy living in a society in

00:56:28.060 which they are constantly telling themselves that everything that goes wrong for them is

00:56:31.140 our fault?

00:56:33.000 How can you be happy under these circumstances?

00:56:36.860 Surely, if we are as miserable as they say we are, couldn't they want to say bye-bye, 0.97

00:56:41.940 white folks? 0.97

00:56:42.480 We wish you well, but we will try to build our own society while you build yours.

00:56:49.280 And again, I don't want anything special and out of the ordinary for us.

00:56:52.900 I don't want anybody's territory.

00:56:54.120 I want our territory.

00:56:55.520 Now, when it comes to Europe and when it comes to the United States, having some territory of

00:57:01.500 our own may require some kind of remigration.

00:57:04.160 People who don't belong here. 0.99

00:57:06.460 Remigration is a tricky and interesting subject.

00:57:09.340 And I'm glad to see that more and more Europeans are talking about that.

00:57:11.960 But to be normie friendly, and I think that's essential because our numbers must grow.

00:57:19.280 We need to convince not just a few hundred more people, a few thousand more people.

00:57:24.680 We need to convince a couple of million white people.

00:57:29.220 That is what it takes. 0.85

00:57:30.460 And you don't convince millions of white people by being hostile, by being weird, having strange

00:57:36.800 haircuts, walking around in funny uniforms, doing weird rituals.

00:57:41.900 No, you want to appear as normal, as attractive, as absolutely humanly possible.

00:57:47.620 And that's another reason why having nice looking, well-spoken women on our side is hugely important. 1.00

00:57:56.700 Women, I believe, are much less threatening when they make our arguments. 1.00

00:58:02.140 And most people are not going to think, oh, God, this woman, oh, she's a hate monger. 1.00

00:58:07.240 No, that's something that's associated with men.

00:58:09.560 Having women on our side is very, very important.

00:58:11.800 And I am absolutely delighted that you co-hosts are doing what you're doing.

00:58:16.240 I think that is much.

00:58:18.640 And when I first started, there were no women. 1.00

00:58:21.580 There were absolutely no women. 1.00

00:58:22.580 And I believe that women can present these ideas in a way that ultimately will attract 0.89

00:58:27.780 more people.

00:58:28.920 So, yes, normie friendly.

00:58:31.840 Come out in public when you can, but you have to draw your own conclusions about when

00:58:38.160 and under what circumstances.

00:58:40.240 And then I must thank all of you for trying to urge Elon Musk to let me back on.

00:58:46.120 But your urgings were all in vain.

00:58:48.780 I was not let back on.

00:58:50.260 I just came back on.

00:58:53.080 I kept hoping.

00:58:54.920 I even wrote a snail mail letter to Elon Musk in his office in San Francisco at the time

00:59:00.700 explaining, I realize you're a busy guy.

00:59:03.200 And I realize these decisions are probably being made by somebody below you.

00:59:06.800 But I'd really appreciate being let back on X.

00:59:09.780 And I'd love to have my 40,000 followers back.

00:59:13.340 Well, it never happened.

00:59:14.460 It never happened.

00:59:15.240 So I said, well, what the heck?

00:59:17.220 I've never violated the terms of service before, but I'm going to start another account.

00:59:22.660 And that is a hang in a fence.

00:59:25.920 But I wasn't getting anywhere being a good guy.

00:59:29.280 And so I broke the rules.

00:59:31.000 And now I'm back.

00:59:31.960 But thank you to all of you who tried to make Donald Trump see sweet reason.

00:59:38.480 He did not see sweet reasons, as far as I can tell.

00:59:41.260 But I've not been kicked off, despite the fact that I have violated the terms of service.

00:59:46.360 And I'd never done that before.

00:59:48.720 Well, can I jump in there, Bace, real quick?

00:59:51.320 Oh, OK.

00:59:51.680 OK.

00:59:52.040 I just want to say we like this more dangerous version of Jared Taylor anyway.

00:59:57.280 So we're glad you broke the rules to get back with us.

00:59:59.440 I yield.

01:00:00.060 Thanks, Bace.

01:00:00.580 Well, you know, I think Twitter should have good rules and stick to them.

01:00:08.160 X should have good rules and stick to them.

01:00:10.300 I did absolutely nothing to deserve to be kicked off.

01:00:14.580 When you have people who criticize Elon Musk for some of the positions he takes,

01:00:20.000 and then he demonetizes them or he throttles their accounts.

01:00:24.960 That's no good.

01:00:26.420 I'm sorry.

01:00:27.160 That is absolutely no good.

01:00:28.580 That is baby behavior. 0.99

01:00:30.980 And I think we should criticize when we have to.

01:00:34.140 Of course, in a way, we have to be very grateful for what Elon Musk did.

01:00:38.160 Probably not many of us would be on it at all, were it not for his purchase of what was then Twitter.

01:00:44.460 But he should make the good.

01:00:47.060 He should make good rules and stick to them.

01:00:50.520 Yeah.

01:00:52.580 We do appreciate the more rebellious Jared Taylor.

01:00:56.920 But I'm not more rebellious.

01:00:58.860 I'm saying exactly the same things.

01:01:01.740 Maybe.

01:01:02.400 Okay.

01:01:03.000 The defiant.

01:01:04.160 And, you know, there's a joke.

01:01:06.380 There's a joke going around with people who've had their accounts canceled that they've written their letters in Punjabi and had their accounts reinstated.

01:01:17.040 So, yeah, it's just an idea for future.

01:01:20.260 I just, okay.

01:01:22.400 So, and I really appreciate what you say about women because I know Posty and myself and many of the women in this movement have tried to figure out where our place is.

01:01:30.800 Because many of the young generation, and this is where I kind of wanted to push back, and I'll let the boys have at you because the girls need to get out of the way when the boys tussle. 0.51

01:01:43.520 But a little bit of push back is that, you know, you're speaking of kindness, and we just want to be left alone, and we just want to have our own thing, which I completely agree with.

01:01:56.300 But our adversaries, be them white ideological adversaries or, you know, different shades of brown adversaries, are getting quite hostile with us.

01:02:07.600 They're killing our children. 1.00

01:02:09.200 They're raping our daughters. 1.00

01:02:11.800 They're hurting us. 1.00

01:02:13.720 You know, they're killing our elders.

01:02:15.000 And so I definitely sense with the guys, it's like they're quite done with this suicidal empathy that we have almost as a race.

01:02:26.940 It's one of our greatest traits, and it's perhaps, you know, one of the traits of our demise.

01:02:32.820 So, you know, I will never counter-signal the boys with the crazy haircuts or the extreme, extreme far right, because my sense is that they are our immune system flaring up because our people feel like we are being genocided and we're under attack.

01:02:55.840 So, you know, we're, I guess, my sense is, yes, there's a place, there's all sorts of rooms to develop.

01:03:04.100 There's a space for the intellectuals to develop.

01:03:06.700 There's a space for women advocates to develop. 0.99

01:03:09.560 And there is a space for hostilities to develop or aggression to develop.

01:03:16.140 And I kind of want radio to maybe jump in afterwards just because I think he might get what I'm saying is, you know, I think the boys, he's called radio race war.

01:03:25.840 You know, so there is a sense of war in the men now that is definitely budding and growing, particularly with the Zoomers. 1.00

01:03:33.420 So that was a really convoluted expression of what I wanted to say.

01:03:37.700 But, Jared, if you have anything to express about that.

01:03:43.420 Yes, I understand that sentiment 100%.

01:03:46.380 I am of a generation that was not taught ever from kindergarten that I had all of this unfair white privilege, that I was inherently an oppressor.

01:03:56.980 I think if I'd been taught all those things and then discovered, of course, that I'm not, I would be hopping mad.

01:04:02.760 Well, there have been some hopping mad people who have done some very unfortunate things.

01:04:10.780 Dylan Roof is an example.

01:04:13.820 Brendan Tarrant in New Zealand.

01:04:17.700 Patrick Crucius.

01:04:19.560 There are some people who, who they have legitimately the sense that they've been silenced. 0.99

01:04:26.840 And they are so angry that they're going to do something about it, damn it. 0.97

01:04:32.080 And they hope that the world will erupt as a consequence. 0.99

01:04:36.240 I understand that.

01:04:37.700 I understand that.

01:04:38.620 I understand why they're angry.

01:04:40.040 I understand what they're angry about.

01:04:41.340 But that is very harmful.

01:04:44.900 It's very harmful for a whole host of reasons.

01:04:46.800 Now, when it comes to actual self-defense, I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment.

01:04:53.820 I think our men could take martial arts training if they are in a confrontation.

01:05:00.480 I hate to see white people back down. 0.99

01:05:02.640 Some of these videos you see circulating of some poor white guy being pummeled by a black guy. 0.99

01:05:08.020 Often they just attack in groups. 0.98

01:05:09.340 That makes me hopping mad myself.

01:05:12.180 It is sickening to me.

01:05:13.460 And by all means, we must defend ourselves when attacked.

01:05:17.600 But this idea of the virtue of anger.

01:05:21.300 Well, yes, we're angry.

01:05:22.980 I'm angry too.

01:05:24.320 But I think that it's important to channel that anger into things that are going to further our cause.

01:05:29.560 And as I said, some of these guys that I mentioned before, what they did does not further our cause.

01:05:34.880 We always have to think the big picture.

01:05:37.420 What is good for our race?

01:05:39.020 That comes before what is good for me.

01:05:42.240 And if we are angry, and we're all angry, we have to channel that anger into areas and directions that are going to help our race and not simply give us some satisfaction of having made a big noise or swung our arms or made things break.

01:06:01.240 We have to be very careful about that.

01:06:06.200 Radio.

01:06:07.740 Yeah, I just wanted to pivot.

01:06:09.420 I think that there's a lot to be said on that topic.

01:06:12.440 I wanted to kind of pivot to maybe a little bit more mainstream political question for Jared.

01:06:17.840 Jared, we banner back and forth a lot in these circles about whether there is or is not a political solution.

01:06:24.880 I think at the federal level, we've all seen the ineffectiveness of Trumpism and modern conservatism is atrocious, conserves nothing.

01:06:32.840 But do you have any sense of, you know, any faith in a political solution, whether it's pro-white candidates at a state and local level?

01:06:42.720 You know, it's usually the infiltration versus no political solution at all, meaning one side to usually infiltrate the Republican Party and try to push conservatives to actually become conservatives.

01:06:55.580 And the other side just wants nothing to do with any sort of politics at all.

01:06:59.940 Where do you kind of land on that?

01:07:01.220 I'm sure you've spoken to it.

01:07:02.600 I've not really heard a lot of your more long form discussions on the topic.

01:07:06.820 But on the general political solution, yay or nay, where do you land on the overall landscape of that premise?

01:07:16.120 Let's put it this way.

01:07:17.640 Is the United States better off with Trump in the White House or Kamala Harris?

01:07:21.560 I think our people, I mean, first of all, to me,

01:07:25.580 what is good for our people comes first.

01:07:28.840 And Trump in the White House is better for white people than Kamala Harris in the White House. 1.00

01:07:32.980 At the very least, at the very least, if Donald Trump had done nothing else or he has kept out the, who knows,

01:07:43.520 8, 10, 15 million illegals that would have come in, just been waved across the border by Kamala Harris.

01:07:50.700 To me, there is one thing that can be accomplished by means of electoral politics.

01:07:55.300 And that is the extent that it has any influence at all on immigration policy.

01:07:59.680 If we are going to have some kind of successful division of territory, if we're to have land,

01:08:04.300 if we're to have a place in which we can be us and us forever, there's got to be space.

01:08:10.760 And the omelet gets much more difficult to untangle the more there are in this country or on this continent that are not us.

01:08:19.980 So if that were the only difference that was a consequence of the federal election in 2024, that is sufficient.

01:08:28.640 So elections do make a difference.

01:08:32.100 Now, what people like Back to the Land are doing, they are taking something in their own hands and doing something that has nothing to do with elections.

01:08:41.380 They are building their own communities from the ground up.

01:08:44.300 There is no reason why you cannot do both.

01:08:46.900 I think that some of these communities, perhaps, if they begin to have influence in the surrounding community, those folks should run for city council, run for police chief, run for school board.

01:08:59.080 These things, it is not an either or thing.

01:09:01.880 And when people say, oh, you know, you know, politics doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

01:09:08.760 There's not a dimes of the difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

01:09:11.620 Well, I think the most recent, the most recent election is proof that there can be a difference.

01:09:17.860 And so, no, don't give up on that, because certainly Donald Trump will not save us.

01:09:23.180 Donald Trump is never going to come out and say, what's wrong with white people wanting to remain a majority in their country?

01:09:27.480 He's never going to say that.

01:09:29.060 Why can't he?

01:09:29.920 Why can't he bring himself to say that?

01:09:31.880 I don't think Donald Trump is ever going to say, look, the reason why there are so few blacks in the physics AP classes, because there's this 15 point average IQ difference.

01:09:44.220 You just can't expect him to be there. 0.99

01:09:45.900 They just don't have the brain power.

01:09:47.860 Why can't he do that?

01:09:48.940 I mean, these are important, obvious things for him to say.

01:09:51.940 He won't say that.

01:09:52.960 So we have to say that.

01:09:54.640 And I believe that at the local level, we can have politicians or people who are candidates who are willing to say those things.

01:10:02.940 So I haven't given up on elective politics.

01:10:05.100 It's not going to be the solution.

01:10:06.420 But it will make some kind of solution possible or more likely simply by keeping out the people that we do not want to share this content with.

01:10:17.340 Now, I do have a question for you Canadians, and this reflects typical American ignorance about Canadian politics.

01:10:26.400 But in this last election you had with the Liberal Party getting 169 seats and the Conservatives 144 seats and looks like Mr. Carney, new prime minister, I understand that when Trump came into office, the Conservatives had a 25 point lead.

01:10:43.980 And it is also my understanding that, wimps though they are, the Conservatives had a slightly better immigration policy.

01:10:52.680 And on that strength alone, I would have preferred that the Conservatives win.

01:10:56.780 Now, all of these Conservatives are always saying, you know, we're going to cut immigration.

01:11:00.420 And they almost never do.

01:11:01.920 But I suspect immigration would have been slightly less than the Conservatives rather than the Liberals.

01:11:06.700 But I understand, at least this is the way the election results are being interpreted in the United States.

01:11:13.360 The fact of Trump making these threatening and unpleasant noises in the direction of Canada, that helped Mark Carney and it hurt Pierre Poilieva.

01:11:26.240 Now, I don't understand the mechanism of it.

01:11:28.600 How come Mark Carney, how could he make up a 25 point difference on some sort of idea that he's going to fight Trump better than the Conservatives?

01:11:43.360 I can give you a, I see Steve's up here and he'll probably have a more lengthy and thorough answer.

01:11:48.820 But I can tell you that it's because at the beginning, when Mark Carney first started, came on and they started the campaign for the election, he kind of positioned Pierre as being the Canadian Trump.

01:12:01.040 And Canada has such a hatred, for whatever reason, of Trump.

01:12:06.260 And most of them don't even know why they hate Trump.

01:12:08.180 The media, the media.

01:12:09.520 Yeah, the media.

01:12:10.360 So, and I think at that point in time, the Conservatives never went, they never really addressed what the majority at that time of people were polling and wanted him to address, which was the immigration issue.

01:12:21.760 And if anything, he slapped us in the face by going and pandering and showing up at Indian events, wearing turbans and stuff. 0.94

01:12:28.180 No, no, I'm sorry.

01:12:29.100 The Conservative?

01:12:30.900 The Conservative leader.

01:12:32.320 No, that's absolutely correct.

01:12:34.860 So, Pierre Poiliev has even, I mean, here's the thing.

01:12:38.120 The Conservatives for the last two years have campaigned on acts of carbon tax and Trudeau must go.

01:12:44.800 So, Trudeau steps down, Carney becomes a new leader.

01:12:48.680 First thing Carney does is suspend the carbon tax.

01:12:51.520 Right there, that nullifies the Conservative campaign strategy for the last two years.

01:12:57.040 And yes, Posty is right.

01:12:58.860 The media portrayed, you know, the CPC as being akin to Trump, Maple, MAGA, which even some of the Conservative supporters were running with,

01:13:08.380 which didn't help their cause because 80% of Canadians don't like Trump.

01:13:13.080 But if Pierre actually took a hardline stance on immigration, saying, you know, there's 4.9 million people here on temporary visas that expire this year,

01:13:24.920 we're going to make sure that they're all sent home, he might have had a lot more support, but he never did that.

01:13:32.440 The closest he would come is when asked about immigration, he would say, we're going to tie it to the number of homes that we built.

01:13:39.700 But then he'd say, we need to build a lot more homes.

01:13:41.880 We're going to double the amount of homes that we build every year, and then we'll tie immigration to the number of homes we've built.

01:13:48.800 He's even on, there's a video of him saying, you know, like a Punjabi man asking him if the Conservatives are against immigration.

01:13:58.540 And he says, no, Bhaji.

01:14:00.260 Like he says, nonsense in Punjabi.

01:14:03.880 Like the guy's, yeah, and he's got multiple, you know, Indian candidates running in his party.

01:14:10.700 So, yeah, the Conservatives are.

01:14:14.980 Sorry, guys, I went to let somebody up and I hit the wrong button.

01:14:17.400 Yeah, basically, the Conservatives are just as bad on immigration as the Liberals.

01:14:24.980 Really, the only party that was actually campaigning on a moratorium on immigration and deportation of illegals is the People's Party, who are totally irrelevant.

01:14:35.320 They couldn't even get 1% of the popular vote.

01:14:37.500 And even they were running foreigners, like recent arrivals, as candidates in their party. 0.96

01:14:44.160 Well, so.

01:14:47.100 Does that answer your question, Jared?

01:14:47.880 Well, yes.

01:14:49.180 Although, to what degree did it make sense even to call Poilievre the Canadian Trump?

01:14:57.780 I mean, what similarities did they even have?

01:14:59.800 Or was this just a complete smear job that happened to work?

01:15:02.640 That's exactly it.

01:15:03.800 It was a smear job.

01:15:04.600 It was hyperbole.

01:15:05.880 He's, if anything, he's, he wouldn't even be as hardline as an American Democrat.

01:15:10.880 Good grief. 0.94

01:15:12.640 And he's weak.

01:15:13.840 What we're, we're laden with now in Canada is the media that does the work for the politicians and the, and the politicians are either compromised.

01:15:24.920 So we're dealing with Chinese infiltration and also Indian infiltration to severe degrees.

01:15:31.960 And so they're all compromised by hostile foreign entities and the Canadian population, especially the real authentic old stock white Canadian population are now being held hostage by foreign nations. 0.88

01:15:48.740 We're actually similar to the Australians, similar to the South Africans, and to a lesser extent Americans, you know, being held by, you know, foreign governments that are taking, siphoning our money and abusing our people.

01:16:04.680 And I, you know, that brings me back to why I think the young ones are quite angry about what's happening.

01:16:10.800 Oh, we all have reasons to be angry.

01:16:15.220 No question about that.

01:16:16.720 We all have reasons to be absolutely furious.

01:16:19.380 What white people are doing to themselves is without precedent in the entire history of the world. 0.51

01:16:25.480 No people that had the capacity to maintain their majority status ever said, okay, come on in.

01:16:33.260 You want this part of my country?

01:16:34.800 Take that.

01:16:35.380 Oh, you want the piece I'm standing on?

01:16:37.040 Take that too.

01:16:38.300 Bye.

01:16:38.780 Bye-bye.

01:16:39.220 And marched off the stage of history.

01:16:41.240 It's never happened.

01:16:42.380 It's never happened.

01:16:43.600 We are just psychotic in that respect.

01:16:48.320 Radio, you got your hand up.

01:16:50.180 And White had his hand up too, but I don't know if it's from last time.

01:16:53.900 Do you still have a question?

01:16:54.180 Yes, sorry, White. 0.94

01:16:55.580 Well, I don't know if the conversation has moved on.

01:17:00.460 I mean, is it okay if we circle back a little bit?

01:17:03.240 If not, we can just keep the flow going.

01:17:07.480 No, go ahead, White. 0.88

01:17:09.220 Yeah, so always much respect to you, Jared.

01:17:15.480 I noticed that in your presentation, I want to say maybe five, ten minutes ago when you were talking about optics and presentation, you are of the flavor that we must maintain this superior and somewhat elite status, you know, coming across as clean cut and so on.

01:17:39.100 And so forth, somewhat disavowing more radical elements of our activism.

01:17:44.940 I guess my question and a little bit of pushback towards you is that, like what Bass, I believe, was saying is that our suicidal altruism has led to failings in our countries and leaving us in a position of weakness, right?

01:18:08.980 If we can go back to the civil rights movement, we've kind of been under siege.

01:18:16.240 And there has been a silent war against our folk and our people to the point where, you know, just looking at crime statistics, we can witness the dramatic cases of the silent war, right?

01:18:31.800 We can do it, like rapes, murders, murders, thefts, robberies, et cetera, et cetera.

01:18:35.720 I guess my question is, are you willing to change your mind in regards to using every tool in the toolbox that we have to our disposal, right?

01:18:53.580 Like I said, I know you like to maintain this very clean cut appearance, but it seems from my perspective, with all due respect, that it's become a bit of a losing strategy, that we keep losing ground and losing ground and losing people and losing children.

01:19:10.980 Where if we're looking at groups like Antifa, the radical elements of the left and communists, we have politicians now saying, oh, well, Antifa is just an idea, it doesn't exist, so on and so forth.

01:19:24.940 I guess where I guess where I'm coming from is, is why would it be a good idea to counter signal our radicals, our men that are continuing to push the Overton window in a direction where whites can regain territory, they can maintain an offensive rather than, I guess, maintaining a clean cut appearance and just playing defense all the time. 0.82

01:19:52.340 Is there any shifting your thought process on that, I guess, to kind of find the middle ground, recognize that there is a need for our soldiers, right?

01:20:08.180 And there is a need for our elites, our diplomats, our suit and ties.

01:20:14.240 Is there any way that we could convince you that this side of the war is just as necessary as your side of the war? 0.99

01:20:22.680 Well, when you talk about the silent war, we are under siege, and you talk about non-whites raping us, murdering us, robbing us, the answer is not to do the same to them. 0.98

01:20:39.300 I understand the desire to fight back. 0.99

01:20:43.180 And you mentioned Antifa.

01:20:44.920 Is Antifa in any respect a model for what we should be doing?

01:20:50.100 I don't think Antifa wins any arguments.

01:20:55.300 I think there are very few people in America who see what Antifa is up to and thinks, wow, those guys are really great.

01:21:01.840 I think whatever they stand for must be wonderful.

01:21:05.840 Now, use the word superior or elite to describe my approach.

01:21:12.060 I don't think either of those words have to apply at all.

01:21:15.160 People can be blue-collar, people can be high school graduates, so long as they make arguments that make sense.

01:21:26.200 Now, different audiences respond to different incentives.

01:21:31.580 And if I am giving a talk to a university campus, which is full of people likely to be hostile to me, I will make arguments that are not necessarily the same as those I might make to a group of committed racially conscious white people.

01:21:48.600 Now, but, again, yes, let us use every single effective tool.

01:21:56.380 But I do have to ask you, if in this silent war, yes, we're being raped, murdered, robbed.

01:22:05.460 The answer is not to do the same.

01:22:08.420 And you mentioned Antifa.

01:22:09.820 Again, I don't think Antifa sets a good model for us at all.

01:22:15.040 Now, I do not criticize any group.

01:22:18.980 I don't, I don't, you'll never find me saying this group or that group is wrong.

01:22:24.180 I will never do that.

01:22:25.680 I just think that what we have to do is keep our eye on the effect of trying to win as many people as possible.

01:22:34.000 And one of the examples that people have hatched over and over and over and over again was the Charlottesville demonstration in 2017.

01:22:42.360 Was that a good thing for us? Was that a bad thing for us?

01:22:45.080 I think not necessarily, it was not necessarily something we could have predicted, but on balance, that was a bad thing for us.

01:22:52.260 That would be certainly my view.

01:22:54.160 And I think it was probably a mistake to go to Charlottesville armed with clubs and shields and helmets.

01:23:00.440 Those, that kind of demonstration, I don't think is going to win over many people who might be tempted to see things our way.

01:23:09.840 But again, I criticized no one at that time.

01:23:14.860 And perhaps in retrospect, this is a kind of criticism of what they did.

01:23:20.020 But again, we have our different approaches and let a hundred flowers bloom.

01:23:27.240 What is successful in one guy's mouth may be a failure in another.

01:23:30.920 But I just don't see that Antifa has got anything to teach us.

01:23:37.060 And I believe it's a model of what we should not be doing.

01:23:41.820 I definitely respect your opinion there, Jared.

01:23:45.280 I guess I do have a follow-up question in regards to that.

01:23:48.720 So a lot of us here within this circle are activists.

01:23:53.700 We participate in, you know, handing out flyers, doing flyer drops, banner drops on freeways and different demonstrations in public as far as marching down the street and potentially trying to garner and gain media attention for our cause.

01:24:14.780 I was wondering what your thoughts on Patriot Front might be and Thomas Rousseau in regards to their optics, messaging, and how they go about their activism.

01:24:25.800 Is that something that you can give your thumbs up and approval to?

01:24:30.080 I will never criticize what Patriot Front does.

01:24:33.320 And all of the people that I've met in Patriot Front have been very impressive people.

01:24:39.260 They are precisely the kind of people that I think are going to lead a successful movement.

01:24:47.520 Awesome.

01:24:48.100 Thank you, Jared.

01:24:49.080 That's all I got for you on the moment right now.

01:24:53.060 So I appreciate it.

01:24:54.380 It's been a real treat.

01:24:56.320 Thank you again for your insights, sir.

01:24:59.300 Thank you.

01:24:59.980 And I see radio.

01:25:01.500 I know you have your hand up in John as well.

01:25:03.120 And I just want to ask you guys if we can let ladies go first, because I know Gifts has a question and I'm not sure if she knows how to use the hand thing. 1.00

01:25:11.340 So I just wanted to let her go first and then we will get back to you guys.

01:25:14.240 Okay.

01:25:14.620 So we're going to play the lady card. 0.91

01:25:16.120 Welcome, Gifts.

01:25:17.320 She's another one of our special women who are going to help move this forward, Jared.

01:25:23.180 Oh, you're so sweet.

01:25:24.460 Um, yes, I guess I do have a question.

01:25:28.080 And thanks for being here, Jared.

01:25:29.820 This is great.

01:25:31.300 Um, while in Asia, did you notice hints of European connections to Asia through the Silk Road and groups like the Scythians, for example?

01:25:40.480 I'm working with white identity content creators to rediscover our historical and spiritual roots, like our ancient Aryan ties from India, for example.

01:25:49.900 People often argue whites lack a collective identity due to brother wars or claim Christianity isn't truly European, implying our identity is fragmented and lacks a foundation for unity.

01:26:04.880 Do you think our identity is deeply misunderstood in this respect?

01:26:08.820 If so, how important is it to clarify and deepen our historical understanding of our identity to counter groups like Zionists, for example, who attempt to force a religious connection to whites where maybe none exists?

01:26:26.140 I think the main thing that unites us is DNA, frankly, our race.

01:26:32.360 And if we are ever to have ethnostates, they will be full of people who have all sorts of other differences. 0.97

01:26:41.880 I know that there are people who think that, well, OK, if we're going to have an ethnostate, it's got to be all Christian or there can't be any Christians because Christianity is this imported religion or we're all going to be liberals.

01:26:56.060 We're all going to be conservatives.

01:26:57.700 That's not the way nations are.

01:26:59.100 Nations are composed of all sorts of different kinds of people.

01:27:04.280 I am firmly convinced that if we white people have an opportunity to establish some kind of nation that is consciously white, we can work out these differences. 0.77

01:27:17.140 And so, so long as we stick to our basic biological unity as Europeans, I don't think that we have to worry about drawing lines and saying, well, this white person is not acceptable for this reason.

01:27:32.240 That white person is not acceptable for that reason.

01:27:34.240 Now, at the beginning, I know that some of these intentional communities, some of them are explicitly Christian.

01:27:42.500 Orania requires that the people be believers in the Dutch Orthodox Church, I believe it is.

01:27:51.620 And that is an understandable thing.

01:27:55.620 But in the long term, a nation is not going to be all one sort.

01:28:03.080 Now, people say, OK, well, you know, as soon as white people get together, then if there is even a single liberal, they'll start undermining the whole thing.

01:28:13.340 So long as people have an understanding of the importance of race, I don't think those things will matter.

01:28:20.940 In fact, I think one of the important things not to forget is how racially conscious early liberals, early socialists, for example, were.

01:28:31.120 Jack London, the author, he was a big socialist.

01:28:34.600 But he thought socialism was the way white people were going to progress. 0.56

01:28:39.200 This was going to be a way for white people to move forward. 0.77

01:28:42.140 Samuel Gopper, the labor leader.

01:28:45.240 A lot of these lefties, they said, no, we don't want coolies coming to this country. 0.98

01:28:50.540 We don't want to have to mix with blacks. 1.00

01:28:52.660 This is for white people. 0.98

01:28:55.020 And those were people who had by the by the standard of that time and by the standards of today were lefties.

01:29:00.400 So the identity of whites, it's to me, I've never really looked into this Scythian element or the whites of the Tocharian Basics. 0.50

01:29:12.140 In in Western China, those people appear to have been white.

01:29:17.040 Yes.

01:29:17.340 But I don't think that that is something on which we really can hang our identities.

01:29:23.880 Those things are very distant.

01:29:26.320 They are not part of our here and now.

01:29:28.300 Our here and now is all the things that have happened to us in the last thousand years from Europe on.

01:29:34.200 As far as Christianity is concerned, you know, the great Catholic writer and theologian Hilaire Bellock used to say, the church is Europe and Europe is the church.

01:29:47.280 Or, no, the faith is Europe and Europe is the faith.

01:29:51.240 At one time, that was true.

01:29:52.960 To be a Christian was to be a European, to be a white man. 0.97

01:29:56.300 There's a fascinating scene in Treasure Island.

01:29:59.360 Ben Gunn has been lost on Treasure Island.

01:30:04.280 He's been marooned.

01:30:05.280 He's been by himself for, I don't know, several years.

01:30:08.240 And Hawkins comes by and sees him and he's burnt so brown, he thinks he's some sort of native.

01:30:14.800 And Ben Gunn says, no, I'm Ben Gunn.

01:30:17.720 I haven't seen a Christian in nigh these four years.

01:30:22.860 For him, Christian meant white person.

01:30:25.300 It's that deeply ingrained into our identity.

01:30:30.720 Now, these days, of course, Christian doesn't necessarily mean white people at all.

01:30:34.880 We could end up with a black pope, a non-white pope. 0.99

01:30:38.400 But to say, okay, Christianity is this Semitic implant. 0.99

01:30:43.060 It is a foreign growth of some kind of cancer in our minds. 1.00

01:30:47.140 I don't take that view either.

01:30:49.380 Christianity has formed our culture in all sorts of ways.

01:30:52.380 And let us not forget, even though Christianity has been used to take this sort of turn the other cheek, we must be merciful to all of these newcomers.

01:31:04.020 We must be generous to anybody who asks for the things that we most prize.

01:31:10.240 Christians fought on both sides of the war, including my Confederate ancestors.

01:31:14.260 They were mighty fervent Christians, but they would have put up with none of this nonsense.

01:31:18.620 The people who built the colonial empires, they were fervent Christians.

01:31:23.220 I believe Christian churches have been perverted and denatured, just like every other institution in the United States. 1.00

01:31:29.660 And so, yes, I understand the objections people have to Christianity, because you can find passages in the Bible that do make it sound like almost a communist manifesto.

01:31:40.740 But there are also plenty of other passages that are firm, even violent expressions of nationality and nationhood.

01:31:52.300 So I know the Christian, non-Christian argument is perhaps one we need to get into.

01:31:58.260 But I take a very tolerant view on the religious question.

01:32:01.660 I believe our future nations are going to be, they're going to be Christians, they're going to be atheists, they're going to be Odinists. 0.99

01:32:07.020 They're going to be people who don't pay any attention to any of that at all.

01:32:09.780 And what will unite us is our European heritage and our commitment to making it survive and prosper.

01:32:17.640 Yeah, race first. 0.94

01:32:19.820 Yes, race first. 0.97

01:32:21.160 That's what matters.

01:32:22.340 That is the main thing that matters.

01:32:24.780 We can work out all our other differences.

01:32:29.560 Now, you know, when the Scandinavians were still all white, what kind of society did they build? 1.00

01:32:37.100 They built this kind of cradle to grave socialist, social welfare state.

01:32:41.740 That's something that Americans find a little bit odd.

01:32:45.520 We have this sort of rugged individualism attitude, small government.

01:32:48.800 Well, which is the natural habitat for white people? 1.00

01:32:53.460 I think we're in no position to say if the Scandinavians build their ethnostate, it might be a socialist state or a social welfare state.

01:33:03.300 If white Americans build their ethnostate, it might be much more of a gun-toting, wild west, a rugged individualist state. 0.83

01:33:10.120 My point is we white people have many, many possibilities before us.

01:33:14.980 We will work out these problems so long as we have the chance to do it.

01:33:18.720 I think I had radio next.

01:33:23.340 Thank you.

01:33:24.720 Yeah, I wanted to get a quick question on a historical American figure on the, you know, called the far right.

01:33:31.340 I don't know if you've ever spoken about him, but I think George Lincoln Rockwell, to many of us on the far right, we kind of look at it as a total package.

01:33:40.560 Highly underrated World War II vet, Korean War vet, author, you know, theologian.

01:33:46.620 You know, he was sort of the complete package.

01:33:49.380 I don't think many know as much about him as they should.

01:33:53.780 Where do you land on George Lincoln Rockwell?

01:33:55.780 I know he's controversial amongst some, but are you familiar with his work?

01:34:00.600 Are you familiar with his legacy?

01:34:02.080 You know, I think he's an important historical figure in this context.

01:34:05.060 Of course.

01:34:06.000 He was a very important man.

01:34:08.400 And some of the things that he was able to accomplish are quite remarkable.

01:34:11.640 Uh, he was clearly an intelligent and deeply committed white man.

01:34:19.140 Now, I think that in retrospect, it's possible to criticize the adoption of regalia of a certain

01:34:27.820 Central European regime that Americans had just spent the Second World War fighting.

01:34:34.780 It's my view.

01:34:35.960 Now, look, I do not, you know, you have asked my opinion about these people.

01:34:39.740 These are not opinions that I ordinarily express because we're all in this together.

01:34:44.380 And into the, it's a big tent and there are many ways into this big tent, but I think

01:34:50.260 that the way to appeal to white Americans is to go back to our own past, the obvious

01:34:56.580 racial consciousness of people like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln,

01:35:01.820 Abraham Lincoln, the great, the great emancipator.

01:35:04.840 Well, what did he want to do with the blacks?

01:35:06.720 Okay. 0.99

01:35:07.520 Free them, but get them the heck out.

01:35:10.880 That's an aspect of Abraham Lincoln that even Southerners like me can applaud and give a

01:35:18.760 standing ovation to.

01:35:20.560 This, this is the kind of thinking that I believe has the potential to resonate most effectively

01:35:26.700 with white, with fellow white Americans.

01:35:30.400 And you are a successionist.

01:35:33.640 I believe, you know, on the Southern front, on the Confederate front, you, it seems that

01:35:39.920 you're both into the balkanization as well as you see succession as a viable strategy.

01:35:46.740 Maybe elaborate on that quickly, sort of as a two-parter.

01:35:49.420 Sorry, I'm throwing two of you. 0.79

01:35:50.460 We'll let John get in here as well.

01:35:51.560 Oh, certainly, certainly.

01:35:52.860 Well, my ancestors were secessionists twice.

01:35:57.100 The first time succeeded.

01:35:58.720 It was a revolution against Great Britain.

01:36:01.000 The second time we failed, but the great seal of the Confederacy depicts George Washington

01:36:08.320 sitting astride his horse because the Confederates thought that they were marching in the footsteps

01:36:13.620 of their ancestors.

01:36:15.200 Their ancestors had thrown off an oppressive foreign regime, and it was their intention 0.96

01:36:19.760 likewise to throw off a foreign regime. 0.63

01:36:23.640 I am, yes, at heart, very much a secessionist.

01:36:26.500 And it is not simply a matter of nostalgia.

01:36:29.420 I believe that we will have a homeland in this country only if we are willing to accept 0.98

01:36:36.900 something that is not the whole lower 50.

01:36:40.420 I think that was perhaps possible at one time.

01:36:43.140 I think that's not realistic today.

01:36:44.900 If we have a homeland, it'll be something less.

01:36:47.420 We'll have to be prepared for that.

01:36:48.840 But we won't even get something less unless we are talking in terms of secession.

01:36:54.680 That's why I approve of every possible secession movement for any reason whatsoever.

01:37:00.920 I understand that in Vancouver, in Canada, there are some rumblings of secession.

01:37:05.080 I don't really know very much about the reasons they have for wanting to go their own way.

01:37:09.000 But the very idea of saying, look, we have irreconcilable differences.

01:37:14.660 I don't care what the reasons are.

01:37:16.460 If irreconcilable differences are recognized, and if they are recognized as something that has

01:37:25.300 powerful implications for how the very structure of society should be changed,

01:37:31.340 again, I don't care what those differences are because they are a precedent for what I see

01:37:37.280 as this irreconcilable difference of trying to ask white people to live with people who are

01:37:42.940 utterly unlike ourselves.

01:37:44.100 So, yes, I am a secessionist historically, emotionally, but I think for extremely and

01:37:50.220 entirely rational reasons, because that is the only way that we will end up with a piece

01:37:56.000 of this continent that is ours and only ours.

01:38:07.300 Do you want to get in there, John?

01:38:09.260 And then we'll go back to white. 0.89

01:38:11.100 Can you guys hear me?

01:38:12.820 Yep.

01:38:13.040 Okay.

01:38:14.600 Jared, I had a question regarding what White Reich brought up.

01:38:19.300 This concept of evaluating the efficacy of different approaches of different groups and

01:38:24.140 organizations brings up a concept that we've talked about a few times recently on White

01:38:29.100 Excellence Radio, and that is the foundation and advent of anti-Semitism laws across the United

01:38:35.180 States.

01:38:35.640 We see this with Florida's HB 269 and more recently with California's AB 3024 law, which

01:38:42.520 took into effect on September 25th of last year.

01:38:46.340 Do you view these laws as a further cementing of the tyranny we're facing, or do you view these

01:38:52.660 as a death row or a desperate attempt to hold on to power from, you know, the powers that be?

01:38:58.400 I think these laws are utterly crazy and utterly unjustified.

01:39:03.040 The idea that the Ivy League and these elite universities has become seething hotbeds of anti-Semitism.

01:39:13.000 What is it?

01:39:13.560 Five out of the eight Ivies have presidents that are Jews.

01:39:17.180 And on the basis of this possibility or this conviction that Jews are being oppressed and

01:39:26.160 tyrannized, then we're going to go in and on that basis, doc Harvard and say, we're going to withhold

01:39:33.480 your glance, your grants until you make things right for Jews. 0.55

01:39:37.700 No, this is, this is, this is utterly, utterly misguided.

01:39:42.560 Now, there are lots of reasons to dislike what Harvard is doing.

01:39:45.220 And let's face it, uh, during the, uh, pro Hamas and, uh, uh, pro Arab demonstrations on some of

01:39:54.760 these campuses, uh, things were no doubt sometimes unpleasant for Jews.

01:39:59.260 Well, there have been ferocious, unpleasant demonstrations against whites for decades.

01:40:04.840 And there hasn't been a single administration that said, well, hold on here.

01:40:08.220 You know, uh, you need to treat white people, right? 0.99

01:40:10.360 Uh, these days, I'm sure being Jewish and being liberal is a very complicated and disappointing 0.56

01:40:18.160 thing.

01:40:18.580 As we all know, Jews were very much involved in trying to get blacks on the side of seeking 0.99

01:40:23.700 civil rights.

01:40:24.500 And now, instead of being treated as saviors and models, the non-whites and certainly the 0.98

01:40:33.960 Muslims treat them not just as white oppressors, but as super oppressors, given that they see 1.00

01:40:40.580 Israel as the colonial state par excellence. 0.97

01:40:44.700 And Jews who thought that they were going to be protected forever from the label of oppressors

01:40:53.000 because of the Holocaust, they're finding that ain't working. 0.85

01:40:57.520 And I don't think anybody thinks that, uh, they're going to calm this stuff down by making

01:41:02.860 sure that the kindergartner, kindergarten is where you start, uh, with Holocaust studies.

01:41:08.100 So it's a very, very complicated situation for Jews.

01:41:12.320 Jews are reaping something of the whirlwind that they have sowed. 1.00

01:41:15.960 And I think that, uh, astonishingly enough for people who have such high IQs, I think

01:41:21.040 they genuinely believe that they were never going to be lumped in with other white people.

01:41:25.460 I mean, to the extent that they don't consider themselves white and to the extent that they

01:41:29.080 consider themselves, we are fellow victims.

01:41:32.100 You look at what white, look at what white Gentiles have done for us. 1.00

01:41:34.800 This is, this must be a time, and it is clearly a time in which they're going to have to re-evaluate,

01:41:41.440 uh, of what they're up to.

01:41:43.520 And, uh, uh, some of them, some of them, I think, are beginning to realize, well, gosh,

01:41:48.440 if we're going to have to choose sides, it certainly doesn't make sense to choose sides 0.98

01:41:52.860 with the blacks and the Muslims and the homicers and the rest of them. 0.98

01:41:56.440 Well, are they going to choose sides with Gentile whites? 1.00

01:41:59.220 Well, we'll see.

01:42:00.080 But, uh, no, the idea that somehow the United States has got this terrible antisemitism problem.

01:42:06.620 Well, to the extent that it has a population that hates Jews, it's certainly not white Gentiles. 0.50

01:42:13.260 Now, uh, there has been a kind of a country club antisemitism in the United States.

01:42:18.340 Uh, I remember, uh, one of H.L. Mencken's observations about Jews, his definition of antisemitism was someone who dislikes Jews more than is necessary.

01:42:28.900 And, uh, there's always been this, this sense of, uh, uh, a kind of a wasp disdain for this different group. 0.84

01:42:36.400 But the United States has been the most welcoming, successful place for Jews to be, to be in the history of Judaism and for them to be then helping transform it into something that is this multi-culti mishmash in which they are seen, not just as white by their multicultural pets, but in some respects, the most unpleasant of all whites. 0.97

01:42:58.920 This is a real blow up for them.

01:43:02.040 So the role that they will play in all of this will be exceedingly interesting.

01:43:06.520 Now, uh, I, of course, come in for a great deal of criticism because, uh, uh, I don't, uh, name the Jew, which is one of the things that I am so often importuned to do as if, uh, by my naming the Jews, somehow that's going to solve all our problems.

01:43:22.120 Uh, where I part company with, uh, perhaps some of you is that I think some Jews, some Jews are loyal men of the West and, uh, we need all the allies we can get.

01:43:33.380 Certainly in the aggregate Jews have been just tireless in their efforts to undermine any kind of moral basis for, uh, white consciousness, the preservation of our society and of our people. 1.00

01:43:48.020 But, uh, I believe that there are, there is some small number of Jews that are on our side.

01:43:55.880 I, I agree with your stance to an extent, and I have noticed another similar, uh, development, and that is that the, the Jews in power or the Jews in general have been developing a sense of social justice, this thirst for social justice within specifically white youth of college age.

01:44:14.620 And they've always hoped, uh, the Israelis have always hoped that the social injustices that they impose upon other ethnic groups are ignored and that backfired because the social injustices they had been imposing upon the Palestinian people have obviously been a huge catalyst towards the uptick of anti-Semitic, this Semitic rhetoric in this country.

01:44:35.620 So it's definitely an interesting development.

01:44:38.420 Yes.

01:44:38.800 Now take, for example, uh, Steve Miller, uh, I, right from the very first Trump administration on, I thought he was the staunchest white man in, in, in the Trump white house.

01:44:50.400 And as far as any prominent academic that has ever been wanting to have a public association with me, the only one who has taken that position is Amy Wax.

01:45:00.800 She's a Jewish law professor.

01:45:02.600 He's even been willing to speak at an American Renaissance conference.

01:45:05.700 And she has invited me to speak at her seminar on, uh, conservative law, well, three, four times in a row, even in the face of the worst kind of opposition, even when she was being examined as a wicked racist and she was threatened with losing tenure and being fired.

01:45:26.320 Even under those circumstances, she invited me to speak to her class.

01:45:31.040 No Gentile academic has ever taken that kind of brave stance towards me.

01:45:36.660 So, uh, I, I know, I know the reason the people who say, well, you know, these are different people.

01:45:41.780 They're not our people. 0.84

01:45:42.520 They can't be our people. 1.00

01:45:43.180 But I think some, some Jews are very much on our side.

01:45:47.500 Um, if I could just quickly ask, I mean, to that point, Jared, would you not agree that it's problematic that there's many four factions of American Jewry that say that tend to do play all sides?

01:46:01.980 And I think that that's where a lot of us land is there are exceptions to the rule.

01:46:06.300 I will admit I've Steven Miller's takes on things are, are favorable.

01:46:12.220 It's hard.

01:46:12.700 He's a smart guy. 0.87

01:46:13.740 Um, but there's very few Stephen Miller's, um, and there's a lot of problematic Jews that are very subversive. 1.00

01:46:23.700 There are many problematic Jews, but again, uh, I mean, uh, not to put too fine a point on it. 1.00

01:46:31.920 Uh, there are a great many problematic, uh, Episcopalians, uh, that's, that's an unfair comparison, but it, it, I think, I think, uh, it is a mistake to say, okay.

01:46:43.740 Uh, we're just going to draw the line.

01:46:45.120 No, these people are all our enemies.

01:46:46.720 No, they're not all our enemies.

01:46:48.300 There are very few Amy Waxes.

01:46:49.620 There are very few Robert Weisbergs.

01:46:51.400 There are very few, uh, Michael Evans.

01:46:53.380 There are very few, but there are those people.

01:46:55.800 Some of the people who have been the most successful in doing the psychometric, uh, studies on race, uh, Richard Hernstein, Hans Isaac, uh, uh, those are brave people.

01:47:08.980 They got in all kinds of trouble for talking honestly about race.

01:47:13.040 So, uh, you know, it is, it is tempting.

01:47:15.520 I know a lot of people are tempted to say, well, you know, there's nothing wrong with us that, uh, uh, that we have to look out for ourselves.

01:47:24.600 Well, I think we are responsible for a lot of our own problems and we should not say, well, okay, if it weren't for this group, everything would be fine.

01:47:32.020 Um, that's fair, you know, I think that is brilliant, Jared Taylor, because, um, a shift in our narrative over this last year has been more along the lines of, you know, white people need to take inventory and rather than finger pointing at any specific group.

01:47:50.520 We need to finger point, um, at ourselves for our failures and our inadequacies and why things have gotten as bad as they have.

01:47:59.540 And, um, I think you, you might have answered my question that I was going to bring up.

01:48:05.320 Um, but I'll, I guess I'll, I'll bring it up anyways, just in case if, if you haven't, um, so more along the lines of people within our circles have found that these multiracial alliances,

01:48:18.720 whether it's between quote, unquote, good Jews or quote, unquote, good non-whites, there tends to be a, it tends to be very surface level.

01:48:28.960 And upon further digging into their intentions and just low and behold, it shows that they either see the writing on the wall and they want to be one of the last ones supported,

01:48:39.460 or they just want future access to white resources and white societies.

01:48:44.520 Um, so we, we, we've, I guess, developed a very hard line, line stance and no nons ever.

01:48:53.400 Do you think it would benefit us if we layered a bit of diplomacy amongst these groups, or do you think we are in the right for kind of sticking our hard lines and saying no nons, not even once?

01:49:09.040 It's, look, it, uh, these are decisions that, uh, every group and every person will have to make for himself.

01:49:15.920 Uh, I tend to be more latitudinarian in that respect.

01:49:19.460 Uh, and, uh, at least the Jews that I know that are on our side, uh, uh, one is in fact, an Orthodox rabbi.

01:49:26.760 Uh, he is about as ardent a man of the West as anybody I know.

01:49:32.120 I know this may sound quite preposterous and shocking to you, but a guy who wears a black hat, yes, uh, uh, he will say, yes, I'm on team Jew, but, uh, boy, this European thing, he is, uh, he, he is absolutely on our side and hopes that we will, that we will succeed.

01:49:48.760 Now, uh, would, would he ever be one of our community?

01:49:51.320 Well, I think it's sort of hard to imagine a black hat Orthodox Jews. 0.99

01:49:55.060 Uh, he says, well, you know, uh, we could be like the homage or a little corner here, but, uh, that that's, that's practically a joke.

01:50:03.080 I am not going to, I, I don't like to second guess people.

01:50:07.340 If someone says, this is what I think, this is what I believe.

01:50:10.940 And my heart is in it.

01:50:13.680 Maybe I'm a simple, but I tend to believe.

01:50:16.260 I don't think very many people, maybe I'm wrong.

01:50:19.920 I don't think very many people lie fluently and consistently and are constantly looking to try to deceive you.

01:50:28.220 So I take people at their word and almost always, it seems to me that that is a legitimate way to do it.

01:50:35.480 We need, again, we need all the allies we can get.

01:50:39.440 And again, this is a decision that we'll have to make, but we have had many Jewish speakers over the years

01:50:45.560 at our conferences and I think they've made a great contribution.

01:50:51.380 So I will ask you this, sorry, if, if I'm cutting in, my reception might be breaking up a little bit.

01:50:57.620 Um, so there, there has been an instance where we have come across, um, pro white, non whites. 0.68

01:51:05.120 Um, a good example is Myron Gaines, um, and, you know, he's willing to recognize what plagues our communities and more or less advocate for us bettering ourselves and reacquiring our homelands.

01:51:21.160 But when it comes to instances like the 1790 naturalization act, and it's like, okay, well, you can help us, but you have to go home after it.

01:51:31.360 It turns into, well, I'm not going home.

01:51:34.640 I don't want to leave.

01:51:35.900 I'm one of the good guys.

01:51:37.020 Of course, uh, you know, these are, these are very small numbers, something like Jesse Lee Peterson, you know, uh, or Thomas Sowell, you know, if it really came to separating the sheep from the goats, uh, are you going to really want to, are you really going to go make a Thomas Sowell, uh, go live with the Negroes? 1.00

01:51:58.440 You know, uh, look, we're not at that stage and, uh, maybe I'm a weak sister for even bringing up a possibility of this kind, but, uh, the, the, these are decisions we do not yet have to make.

01:52:12.320 Um, I, I am, I am willing to recognize contributions once they come now in the case of people who are, well, uh, look, I don't know.

01:52:26.620 I don't want to go much further.

01:52:27.840 These, these would be very tough, very tough decisions.

01:52:31.020 And in any case, if we do have ethnostates, they will involve transfers of population.

01:52:38.700 Are you going to force people to leave?

01:52:40.720 Or are you going to give them incentives to leave?

01:52:43.440 Or are you going to let people age in place?

01:52:46.520 These are all going to be difficult, difficult decisions that have to be made.

01:52:50.320 But one of the characteristics of our race is that we tend to be fair-minded.

01:52:55.220 Some people would say we are excessively fair-minded.

01:52:58.680 Too much so.

01:53:00.120 Well, but you are not going to attract normies if they think that what you propose is genocidal or violent, or it goes against our nature as people who are fair-minded.

01:53:15.000 And that's why, always in my approach, it has always been, look, I am not asking for anything for white people that I'm not happily willing to grant non-whites. 1.00

01:53:25.520 This is, this is, you have to deal with white people as they are, not as you would wish them to be. 0.98

01:53:30.680 So, Jared, I have eight minutes left with you.

01:53:34.820 I've got one or two hands in Posty, and I still want to, want to finish off.

01:53:39.860 But, Reverend Ron, if you want to go quickly, then, and then I'd like to get gifts, Posty, myself, and then we're out.

01:53:48.920 Go ahead, Reverend.

01:53:49.780 Yeah, I'll make this as short-sweetened to the point as I can.

01:53:55.840 If this is the type of thinking that the white race is going to ultimately end up falling victim to, then there's no doubt in my mind that we are guaranteed for destruction. 0.91

01:54:06.400 Anyone that thinks that we need to or can allow the Jewish influence, the Jewish parasitic influence, regardless of the rhetoric that comes out of their mouth, to be of assistance to us, is a species that is doomed to disaster. 1.00

01:54:22.580 This nonsense, this rhetoric that I have heard over the last 30 minutes has me on the point of boiling over and losing my shit on this individual. 0.99

01:54:31.720 And I'm trying to be respectful because I have nothing but the utmost respect for base, mate, and posty. 0.98

01:54:39.040 But I'm letting you know, Mr. Jerry Taylor, that if the rest of our species or if anyone else that truly desires the guaranteeing of the survival of our people believe, as you do, that using the Jewish parasite is something that is beneficial to our people, 1.00

01:54:56.300 then we all might as well pack it up, go home, go out, watch nigger ball, and enjoy the rest of our lives, because ultimately our race is doomed. 1.00

01:55:05.440 Have a good day. 0.85

01:55:07.200 All right, Reverend.

01:55:09.140 I think you have misunderstood me, but thanks for your candor.

01:55:16.100 All right.

01:55:17.200 Gifts, do you have something sweeter for us and posty and then me?

01:55:21.620 Yeah, I just wanted to say thank you for being here and for all the great work that you've done.

01:55:29.940 And, yeah, I appreciate everything.

01:55:33.500 And I look forward to seeing you speak again and about what you're doing and everything.

01:55:40.000 So, yeah, just thanks for being here and all that you do.

01:55:42.980 Oh, it's a great pleasure.

01:55:45.000 And as I say, I am profoundly encouraged by groups of this kind.

01:55:51.540 As I say, 35 years ago when I started this, it was just there was just nothing, nothing like this.

01:55:58.260 Well, first of all, there was nothing like the Internet, but I would go to meetings and they would be so discouraging because the people there were so unprepossessing.

01:56:10.040 They weren't anyone that you would take home and introduce to your mother or your wife. 0.70

01:56:15.960 They were weirdos. 0.68

01:56:17.420 They were cranks. 0.98

01:56:18.760 35 years ago, to think dissonant thoughts on race, you had to be a crank and a weirdo.

01:56:26.180 And it came out in all sorts of ways.

01:56:28.560 Now, the people who are thinking sensibly about race, they're not cranks and weirdos at all.

01:56:34.100 Those people seem to have disappeared.

01:56:35.680 They've gone extinct.

01:56:36.720 And I'm happy to see them go.

01:56:37.980 So, yes, it seems as though, as I said before, we really have an unstoppable group of people.

01:56:48.720 And our numbers are increasing all the time.

01:56:52.360 And I've never been more optimistic.

01:56:55.380 I've never been more optimistic.

01:56:56.740 I will go next.

01:57:02.460 I just want to say thank you very, very much, Jared, for giving us the time.

01:57:08.600 We really appreciate it.

01:57:09.720 And it was a very interesting and enlightening, informative conversation.

01:57:14.000 Thanks to the boys, as always, for supporting us and on this platform and, you know, being there to help us out, getting rid of the riffraff if they come in and all that kind of good stuff. 1.00

01:57:24.700 So, yeah, that's it.

01:57:25.640 But thank you.

01:57:26.280 I look forward to seeing or talking to you again in the future, Jared.

01:57:29.520 And, again, I thank you very much.

01:57:31.380 Oh, it'll be my pleasure.

01:57:33.180 Thank you so much for inviting me.

01:57:34.820 And, Jared, if you don't mind me just saying, Jared, you're welcome anytime on White Excellence Radio.

01:57:43.660 If you ever want to pop in and share some of your wisdom on any of our shows, I will gladly embrace you on our panel for future discussions.

01:57:54.780 Definitely appreciate it.

01:57:56.080 Thank you so much, brother.

01:57:57.520 Great.

01:57:58.240 I am all in favor of White Excellence and let us embody it to the extent that we possibly can. 0.94

01:58:04.820 Jared, it's been a real pleasure.

01:58:09.000 And thank you for, you know, coming into the Gladiator's Den of Twitter Spaces, right?

01:58:16.340 It's a wild west out here.

01:58:19.300 And so thank you for coming and being gracious and White, handling things elegantly.

01:58:27.520 We love hearing you say that, Jared.

01:58:29.020 That's why.

01:58:29.480 Yeah, you just keep saying White forever.

01:58:31.960 Or, you know, I never understood why it was such a strange thing.

01:58:36.740 You have to distinguish between a word that is spelled W-A-I-L and one that is spelled W-H-A-L-E.

01:58:46.140 You have to pronounce that H.

01:58:48.800 There is a, you can go whaling or you can be whaling.

01:58:53.220 And those are two different things.

01:58:54.400 So he has a very valid point.

01:58:57.520 Yeah.

01:58:58.480 But anyway.

01:59:00.520 Well, but we appreciate it.

01:59:03.080 And we appreciate all your work.

01:59:04.840 And it's been, I know, a lonely road out there at times for you.

01:59:09.020 But we can definitely tell you that White consciousness is growing and White collectivism is growing. 0.89

01:59:18.080 And our people have made, you know, bigger and more eccentric connections internationally.

01:59:24.960 And so we're very bonded together as a people all over the world.

01:59:29.520 And it's thanks to the work that you and your predecessors have done.

01:59:34.580 So we thank you for carrying the torch.

01:59:37.000 And we will continue to carry it on with all of our radical elements.

01:59:41.660 And we're going to keep going because we're standing for the 14 words that we're here to secure the future for our people and an existence for our White children. 0.95

01:59:53.540 I think I got that a little backwards.

01:59:55.100 But you know what I mean, boys?

01:59:56.740 The sentiment is the same.

01:59:58.120 Yes, we all know which one.

02:00:00.540 Yes.

02:00:00.820 Yes.

02:00:01.140 And so we really appreciate your time.

02:00:04.560 And admin, Mythos White, if you've got the admin, we can gas this space.

02:00:11.100 Ladies and gentlemen, please join White Radio, White Excellence Radio tomorrow.

02:00:16.600 I believe it's 11 a.m., right?

02:00:18.220 Yeah.

02:00:18.480 11 a.m. Eastern Time.

02:00:20.100 Yes.

02:00:21.360 Thank you.

02:00:21.860 Yes.

02:00:22.500 Thanks, guys.

postyX - May 02, 2025

White Excellence： Interview with Jared Taylor

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