postyX - July 28, 2026


Zombie State: The Rise of Conformity


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00:00:00.140 Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Maple Syrup and Mayhem with me, Posty. Today, we're
00:00:07.120 going to discuss something that I've been thinking about a lot. And I've been listening
00:00:11.860 to a lot of philosophers lately, and I would like to call it the zombie state, the rise
00:00:18.720 of conformity. Have you ever watched an intelligent person suddenly stop thinking for themselves?
00:00:25.720 not because they lack the ability, but because the group, the movement, the cult, or the narrative
00:00:32.840 made independent thought feel unnecessary or even dangerous. We all know how that went during
00:00:40.100 COVID. Today, we're going to look at three philosophers, thinkers, who diagnosed the
00:00:46.800 problem from different angles. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, he wrote extensively on the rise of mass
00:00:53.960 stupidity. Nietzsche on the relationship between truth and the herd. Harry Frankfurt on the 0.99
00:01:01.460 peculiar modern phenomena of bullshit. These ideas written decades or even a century apart 0.67
00:01:11.620 in some cases, form a powerful diagnosis of why societies slide into conformity, and how that
00:01:19.640 Disconformity corrodes our relationship with the truth itself.
00:01:28.140 So let's begin with Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
00:01:32.000 Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German Lutheran pastor and theologian.
00:01:36.460 He was executed in 1945 by the Nazis for his involvement in the resistance.
00:01:42.500 I could not find any information on whether or not he was Jewish, but I don't think so.
00:01:46.140 While in prison, he wrote a series of reflections that later appeared in Letters and Papers from Prison. 0.98
00:01:53.260 One of the most striking is his short essay in that book on stupidity. 1.00
00:01:59.820 Bonhoeffer makes the startling claim that stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice is. 1.00
00:02:11.040 Why? Because you can actually fight evil. 1.00
00:02:14.440 You can protest it. You can expose it. You can even use force against it. Evil, he says, always carries within itself a seed of unease. People can sense it at some level that something is wrong. But against stupidity, you are pretty much defenseless. Reason doesn't work. And I'm sure everybody's heard that quote, you know.
00:02:37.720 Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you through experience. 1.00
00:02:42.980 Reason doesn't work. Facts that contradict the personals pre-judgments are simply not believed.
00:02:49.600 When the facts become undeniable, they are dismissed as irrelevant exceptions. The stupid 1.00
00:02:55.820 person is not only self-satisfied, he becomes easily irritated and aggressive when challenged. 1.00
00:03:02.760 I would argue that this is very similar to the chimp-out that we see amongst a certain demographic of people. 1.00
00:03:10.260 Crucially, Bonhoeffer insists that this stupidity is not primarily an intellectual defect. 1.00
00:03:16.900 There are highly intelligent people who are stupid in this sense, and relatively simple people who are not. 0.99
00:03:22.620 And this can go back to being book smart, street smart, those kinds of different intelligences that people will label other people with. 0.99
00:03:32.760 that's the same thing. Like you may know a lot about, you may know a lot that you've learned
00:03:37.980 from books and theory, but you may not actually have common sense is another way you could put
00:03:43.380 it. It is a human and more importantly, a sociological problem. He writes that every
00:03:52.100 strong upsurge of power, whether it be political or religious, infects a large part of humankind 1.00
00:03:58.940 with stupidity. The power of the one needs the stupidity of the other. Don't let these tattoos 1.00
00:04:05.700 fool you. I'm a scholar. I read every day. Under the overwhelming impact of rising power,
00:04:13.380 people surrender their inner independence. They stop forming an autonomous judgment about the
00:04:19.880 new reality. In conversation with such a person, Bonhoeffer says, you feel you are not dealing
00:04:28.920 with a person at all, but with slogans and catch words that have taken possession of him. He has
00:04:35.520 become a mindless tool, capable of any evil, and at the same time incapable of recognizing it as
00:04:41.740 evil. This again could be, you know, this example could be shown during the COVID era where people
00:04:47.920 were snitching on their neighbors, snitching on their families, where they, you know, basically
00:04:52.620 wouldn't talk to their families and stuff like that because they thought you were evil,
00:04:59.100 but they couldn't actually recognize the real evil behind it. This is not born stupidity. It 1.00
00:05:05.300 is induced. People allow themselves to become stupid or circumstances make them so. And the 1.00
00:05:11.560 more they need belonging, certainty, and identity, the more vulnerable they become.
00:05:17.440 only liberation not instruction can overcome it and often external liberation must come first
00:05:26.980 before internal freedom is possible again so we need to liberate us from the you know tyranny
00:05:35.060 that's uh anarcho-tyranny that is the ruling power right now before we can actually become
00:05:42.120 internally liberated, according to Bonhoeffer. Now let's turn to Nietzsche. Decades earlier,
00:05:52.820 Friedrich Nietzsche diagnosed a deeper cultural condition that makes this kind of mass surrender
00:05:58.500 or mass psychosis, as they call it now, possible. In his essay, On Truth and Lies in a Non-Moral
00:06:06.780 sense? Nietzsche asks a radical question. Where does the drive for truth even come from?
00:06:14.980 His answer is unsettling. In the beginning, the intellect is used mainly for deception,
00:06:21.180 because survival amongst competing individuals requires cunning. But humans also need to live
00:06:27.780 socially in the herd. So a peace treaty is made. We invent fixed designations for things. Language
00:06:34.860 creates the first laws of truth. What we call truth, Nietzsche says, is a movable host of
00:06:41.200 metaphors, metonymies, and anthropomorphisms, which after long usage seem to a people to be fixed,
00:06:50.720 canonical and binding. Truths are illusions, we have forgotten our illusions, worn out coins that
00:06:57.460 no longer function as coins, but are treated as pure metal. To be truthful in the social sense,
00:07:04.320 often means simply to lie in the conventional herd approved way. This is mass psychosis,
00:07:10.960 right? Believing what the in or what the group is saying, believing what the overarching,
00:07:16.180 you know, facts are, I guess you could say, and refusing to think for yourself.
00:07:25.500 This leads directly into Nietzsche's lifelong critique of herd morality. In Beyond Good and
00:07:32.720 evil and on the genealogy of morality, Nietzsche argues that modern European morality is essentially
00:07:39.640 the morality of the herd animal. The herd values what makes life safe, predictable, and equal.
00:07:46.920 Sympathy, mediocrity, conformity, and avoidance of anything rare or dangerous.
00:07:52.960 The independent spirit, the one who stands alone, the one who questions the sacred values of the
00:07:59.600 group. These become evil in the eyes of the herd. High and independent spirituality is experienced
00:08:07.540 as a threat. Nietzsche saw that the will to truth itself can become corrupted. When the herd
00:08:15.520 monopolizes the word truth for its own perspective, the genuinely truthful person is branded with the
00:08:22.480 worst names. For Nietzsche, the real philosophical task is not to conform to the prevailing truths,
00:08:29.240 but to have the courage to create new values, to become what he called the free spirit, or later
00:08:35.880 the overman. This requires hardness against oneself and a willingness to stand outside the comfort of
00:08:43.140 the group. Conformity, in Nietzsche's view, is not just social pressure, it is a metaphysical and
00:08:50.400 moral surrender, the preference for the average over the exceptional, the safe over the true.
00:08:58.180 Now, this brings us to the third thinker in our list here, Harry Frankfurt. In 1986,
00:09:04.700 the American philosopher Harry Frankfurt published a short essay called On Bullshit.
00:09:09.280 It was later expanded into a small book that actually became surprisingly popular.
00:09:15.020 Frankfurt makes a precise and important distinction.
00:09:19.000 The liar knows the truth and deliberately tries to hide it or misrepresent it.
00:09:25.160 The liar is still oriented towards the truth.
00:09:28.600 He respects it enough to try to conceal it. 0.90
00:09:31.900 The bullshitter, by contrast, is indifferent to whether what he says is true or false.
00:09:38.920 His goal is not to report reality or to conceal it.
00:09:42.900 His goal is to produce a certain impression, to advance an agenda, to appear a certain way. 0.98
00:09:50.160 Frankfurt writes, the essence of bullshit is not that it is false, but that it is phony. 0.93
00:09:55.560 What is wrong with a counterfeit is not what it is like, but how it was made. 0.99
00:10:02.480 Because the bullshitter does not care about the truth value of his statements, 0.97
00:10:07.960 bullshit is, in Frankfurt's judgment, a greater enemy of the truth than lying. 1.00
00:10:12.900 The liar still plays the game of truth and falsehood. 1.00
00:10:16.620 The bullshitter abandons the game altogether. 1.00
00:10:22.280 It's just such bullcrap, you guys. 1.00
00:10:26.240 So why is there so much bullshit? 1.00
00:10:28.640 Frankfurt suggests that modern life forces people to speak about things they know little or nothing about. 0.99
00:10:35.020 We are expected to have opinions on everything, in politics, advertising, public relations, and of course now social media.
00:10:41.960 the pressure to appear informed sincere or aligned with the right side often outweighs 0.98
00:10:48.400 any commitment to accuracy we see this a lot from the left especially bullshit thrives in 0.57
00:10:55.240 environments where sincerity or group loyalty is valued more highly than correspondence with 0.89
00:11:01.160 reality again very lefty coded now watch these three diagnoses interlock Nietzsche shows us that
00:11:11.300 what a society calls truth is often a set of conventional metaphors and moral prejudices
00:11:17.640 used to the herd. When the herd's values dominate, independent inquiry becomes suspect. This is why
00:11:25.540 all these laws, we're seeing all these speech laws coming out and all these hate crime laws
00:11:29.920 and all this other stuff is because they want everybody to think the same as the herd. And if
00:11:35.280 you don't, then you will be punished for that. You will go to jail. You're stealing right to jail.
00:11:40.680 You're playing music too loud, ride to jail, right away.
00:11:43.380 You're driving too fast, jail.
00:11:45.060 Slow, jail.
00:11:46.060 You're charging too high prices for sweaters, glasses.
00:11:50.460 You ride to jail.
00:11:51.420 You undercook fish, believe it or not, jail.
00:11:53.860 You overcook chicken, also jail. 0.99
00:11:57.960 Frankfurt shows us that the modern technique that accelerates this process, bullshit, 0.98
00:12:03.340 speech that no longer even pretends to care about reality, 0.96
00:12:06.620 only about effect and belonging.
00:12:08.960 and this is basically what the politicians feed us constantly and bonhoeffer shows us the human
00:12:15.460 result once people have surrendered their inner independence to the power of the group or the 0.98
00:12:20.620 narrative they become stupid in his special sense they speak in slogans facts bounce off them they
00:12:28.380 can participate in evil while remaining convinced of their own righteousness the sequence is 1.00
00:12:34.880 something like this a culture of bullshit weakens the general respect for truth 0.92
00:12:40.480 herd morality then rewards those who conform to the approved narratives under the pressure of 0.98
00:12:47.860 power or belonging large numbers of people relinquish independent judgment what remains 1.00
00:12:54.020 is a form of stupidity more dangerous than deliberate malice because it is widespread 0.98
00:12:59.360 self-satisfied and immune to reason and I think this is very prevalent now too because you'll 0.99
00:13:05.740 find people want to outsource everything to the government or to somebody else even you know
00:13:10.400 raising kids people want to have all these laws to be put in to take the responsibility away from
00:13:15.580 them on what they should be doing and monitoring for their children so that's exactly what's
00:13:20.860 happening in current society. What is the response then? Bonhoeffer said only liberation,
00:13:30.520 not instruction can overcome this kind of stupidity. We mentioned that earlier. Nietzsche 1.00
00:13:35.060 demanded the courage to stand outside the herd and revalue values. Frankfurt by naming bullshit 0.99
00:13:42.080 clearly gives us a diagnostic tool we can begin to notice when someone is not even trying to get 0.98
00:13:48.100 reality, right? None of these thinkers offer a simple political program. What they offer is a
00:13:55.020 demand for personal responsibility toward the truth. In an age flooded with information,
00:14:00.540 slogans, and performative speech or actions, the most radical act may be the quiet insistence
00:14:07.320 of thinking for yourself on caring whether something is actually true, even when the group
00:14:12.980 does not the alternative is not merely error it is the gradual disappearance of the independent
00:14:20.180 mind