Radio 3Fourteen - Alt-Right Is All About The Future of White People

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:00.000 And who want something a little edgy, but who do not talk about race unless it's to whine that others are focusing on it.

00:01:05.680 Bottom line, alt-right's foundational principle, which is uncompromising, is pro-white identity.

00:01:13.480 Stopping mass immigration into European countries, keeping white nations for white people, and creating a future for white children without forced multiculturalism and leftist anti-white programming. 0.52

00:01:25.320 Working to destroy Europeans and the civilization that our ancestors have built. 1.00

00:01:30.700 Alt-right isn't just about calling out the ridiculousness of SJWs or feminists, which most people can see now. 0.99

00:01:37.180 Alt-right is the fight for a white future in white lands, free of invaders and traitors who actively seek to ruin us. 0.97

00:01:43.880 To make us feel guilty for the success and might of our ancestors as a means to conquer us.

00:01:49.900 The alt-right has no guilt for being born of conquerors, rulers, explorers, inventors, innovators, philosophers, and academics.

00:01:58.320 Men and women who have created Western civilization.

00:02:01.520 The civilization which races from all around the world covet and now want to run to. 1.00

00:02:06.140 When we say Western values, we mean white European values. 0.61

00:02:10.360 When we say leftists, that also includes Jewish elites and Jewish interest groups actively working against European nationalism, which they fear will lead to a holocaust.

00:02:21.400 We acknowledge that there are groups actively working to enforce anti-white genocidal policies and cultural degeneracy as a means to subjugate Europeans.

00:02:30.540 When we say race, we mean accepting the reality of racial differences, living in accordance with nature, exposing the lie of egalitarianism that says we're all the same. 0.80

00:02:41.540 We reject globalism seeking to make us all the same.

00:02:45.240 We reject capitalism, which is used to erode borders and make us mindless consumers buying poison we don't need.

00:02:52.420 Jewish capitalism isn't the local free markets of national socialists. 0.50

00:02:56.360 We fight against warmongers and foreign interventionist policies as we want sovereign nations, not globalist rule.

00:03:04.560 And we are against an Israel-first America. 0.94

00:03:07.720 We believe identity, culture, and race are intertwined.

00:03:11.080 And forcing a multiracial, multicultural society will never work as it goes against nature. 1.00

00:03:17.780 Jazz Hands McFeels, up next.

00:03:20.260 Welcome Jazz Hands McFeels.

00:03:21.920 Thanks for being here.

00:03:23.000 Hey, it's a pleasure to be here.

00:03:24.080 Thanks for having me.

00:03:24.700 So Jazz Hands, isn't that some sort of a kind of a neurotic dance performance move used in show tunes or what is that?

00:03:31.600 Jazz Hands is actually that.

00:03:33.800 The credit goes to Bulbasaur on that one.

00:03:37.760 Bulbasaur used to be as part of the death panel at the Daily Shoah.

00:03:41.980 And I think on one of the early episodes of the Shoah, he actually said, if you're going to go out and act like Jazz Hands McFeels.

00:03:49.740 And I thought, I was trying to think of a nice pseudonym at the time.

00:03:53.060 And Halversham said, why don't you just go with this one? 0.68

00:03:55.780 So Jazz Hands is just that ridiculous, you know, you don't want to offend anyone by clapping.

00:04:02.200 So you just wave your hand silently in the air to show that you're pleased with a performance or something. 0.95

00:04:08.520 Total SJW nonsense.

00:04:10.180 And then McFeels, obviously.

00:04:11.820 But I didn't think that Fascination was ever going to.

00:04:15.200 Well, I was excited about starting it, but didn't think that it was going to get to the point that it has in where Jazz Hands McFeels is such a ridiculous pseudonym that I feel like.

00:04:26.600 You're stuck with it now.

00:04:27.420 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:28.660 Now, how long have you been doing Fascination for now?

00:04:30.700 Since, let's see, beginning of August, middle of August of 2015.

00:04:39.220 So not very long.

00:04:41.120 So do you plan to do this for a long time?

00:04:42.740 Where do you ultimately want to take things?

00:04:45.080 So many people have said that Fascination will not continue after the election.

00:04:50.920 And I am here to say that that is not going to be the case.

00:04:54.400 I'm just kidding.

00:04:55.300 I'm kind of doing what Trump does.

00:04:56.500 We are actually, yeah, we're going to shift gears, I think, no matter what happens in the election.

00:05:02.020 Of course, we hope Trump wins.

00:05:04.240 But I think the kind of having a media platform that is independent of the mainstream is important.

00:05:14.740 And, you know, we happen to enjoy covering electoral politics.

00:05:19.800 You know, having an election every two years kind of helps things in the U.S.

00:05:23.400 But we're going to shift gears into other things.

00:05:25.980 You know, Second Amendment is like a really big concern of mine.

00:05:30.080 But there are many other things going on.

00:05:32.080 And, of course, if Trump wins, we're going to be talking all about his legislative agenda, et cetera.

00:05:36.240 And if Hillary Clinton wins, then we're going to be talking about the slow, grueling downfall of what's coming.

00:05:43.100 Because I think this is our last opportunity, right?

00:05:45.420 I agree, 100%.

00:05:46.500 Well, I think you do a fantastic job.

00:05:48.180 I always tell people you're probably my favorite political commentator out there in the alt-right.

00:05:53.380 Oh, man, thank you.

00:05:54.200 I want to ask, what did you think of Hillary's episode at the 9-11 ceremony, you know, where she appeared to go unconscious and the guards were dragging her into the van?

00:06:02.960 What did you make of that when you saw that?

00:06:04.460 My initial reaction was this is it because all week prior I had been kind of in some various Facebook groups like shitlib Facebook groups trolling leftists with trolling them by saying, how can you feel invested in a candidate like Hillary Clinton when literally anything could happen with her at any time?

00:06:28.380 Like at least we can control Trump's mannerisms.

00:06:31.080 He can have consultants kind of guiding him on what to do.

00:06:33.800 But Hillary Clinton just could show up at the debate stage and collapse on the floor and, like, that's it. 1.00

00:06:38.580 That's your candidate right there.

00:06:39.900 Like you have all, like, with so much riding on this election, like, how can you, you know, how can you feel good about this just to black pill them and make them feel bad?

00:06:48.040 And then that happened.

00:06:50.140 And I was like, wow, I kind of didn't expect it to be so dramatic and on video like that.

00:06:56.600 So what would happen if she did get really sick?

00:06:59.180 She became ill?

00:06:59.940 Or what if she even died?

00:07:01.120 So then what happens, does it go to the VP pick automatically?

00:07:04.760 Has he become the Democratic candidate for November?

00:07:07.060 Or do you know what happens?

00:07:08.440 Yeah.

00:07:08.820 So I actually wrote an article.

00:07:10.640 It was inspired because there was a lot of – this is, like, somewhat uncharted political territory here.

00:07:17.220 And so a lot of people were like, what happens Sunday night?

00:07:19.940 And so I wrote an article on fascination.com.

00:07:23.840 It was also on TRS as well about all of the possibilities.

00:07:27.660 And really, each party makes its own rules.

00:07:31.900 The RNC, if this happened to Trump, the RNC, they would have to reconvene the entire Republican National Convention, which was originally what I thought the Democrats would have to do as well.

00:07:41.940 But they don't.

00:07:42.720 They just have to convene their committee members, which is about 200 people.

00:07:47.460 And they only have to have a quorum of 40 percent of those people or their proxies to show up.

00:07:54.040 And those people can pick whomever they want.

00:07:57.720 It would be convenient to have Tim Kaine because the fundraising legal entities are already there for that.

00:08:04.660 And he can just continue on with the campaign.

00:08:06.720 They bump him up the ticket, like you were saying.

00:08:09.440 And then he would let him maybe either let him pick someone or pick someone for him that would be advantageous to the party.

00:08:17.420 But he has a lot of high negatives.

00:08:20.160 And a lot of people, you know, the popular conception, at least in our circles, is that some sort of deal was brokered back in 2008 where he would be the automatic pick for VP with Hillary.

00:08:36.300 And there may be, you know, the party politics.

00:08:38.460 They may pick somebody else.

00:08:40.940 But the dangers of picking somebody else are that there is no campaign.

00:08:44.180 There's no infrastructure.

00:08:45.980 But you never know.

00:08:47.000 Biden could come in.

00:08:48.360 You know, they they didn't write many rules about this, so they could probably do a number of things, I think.

00:08:54.440 Now, you're very familiar with politics.

00:08:56.720 So you obviously have an interesting background.

00:08:58.560 When I was on your show, you asked you ask everybody actually about their red pill experience.

00:09:02.660 So where did you come from politically and how did you come to white identity topics?

00:09:07.160 I'm always so curious to hear how people end up here because it's been different for so many of us.

00:09:12.100 Sure.

00:09:12.940 Well, I grew up in a very white area of the United States on the East Coast.

00:09:19.320 And it was a community that was majority white, well over majority white, like 95 percent white.

00:09:27.040 And, you know, the usual kind of conventional wisdom there is like typically people that grow in those areas don't have contact with diversity.

00:09:34.640 And they are they are someone who is, you know, less likely to understand kind of these issues.

00:09:42.640 But I grew up in a household in an area that was kind of pretty cognizant of these things.

00:09:49.700 So this is this is just this is a situation where I kind of was aware of a lot of this stuff.

00:09:58.740 And then I got involved in politics when I was probably about 11 or 12 years old, was volunteering on a campaign, working with family and whatever, just a local race.

00:10:07.680 And I just got involved with right wing politics, majority of the time was the GOP.

00:10:14.140 And so I came into things like having an awareness of, you know, the different races and racial differences and also Jews as well.

00:10:25.220 We were we were aware aware of those and what they what they were all about.

00:10:29.040 And just, you know, you don't want to you just want to be wary of dealing with these people in business was kind of like the extent of my understanding.

00:10:36.520 But as I got more involved in politics and ended up in Washington, D.C., I realized that, like, you can't talk about racial differences or how certain people behave in these circles and the higher up in the circles you go, the less that you can talk about these things in pleasant company.

00:10:56.680 And it was just it was just, you know, I felt kind of betrayed after working so hard to help these guys win the elections in 2010 historical election and 2012 and 2014 and then do absolutely nothing for it.

00:11:16.940 And, you know, kind of one day, Halberstram, who's a longtime friend in real life of mine, you know, pointed me in the direction of the right stuff.

00:11:28.380 But I had already been kind of, you know, very interested in like Pat Buchanan and libertarianism.

00:11:34.620 And I was never really like fully involved with fully engaged with the GOP platform.

00:11:40.380 It's just like the only place that I felt like I fit in because the Democrats were always so paused.

00:11:45.600 So that's the long, long end of it.

00:11:49.200 But, yeah, that's pretty much how I got to where I am now.

00:11:51.700 Well, thinking of alt-right content websites, there's a core group people usually find.

00:11:55.960 But what ones did you discover first that opened your eyes to white identity politics?

00:12:00.340 Well, I was aware of American Renaissance kind of long before that day that Halberstram said, you got to go check out the right stuff.

00:12:07.700 So I had been to Amren, but that was really about the extent of it.

00:12:13.460 Like, I remember maybe six or seven years ago, somebody had mentioned Roosh and the Manosphere.

00:12:21.940 And I read one of Roosh's books and I was like, this stuff all seems like kind of common sense.

00:12:27.540 I don't really see what I have to gain here from this guy.

00:12:30.600 And I kind of just set it aside and never thought twice about the Manosphere again as being like anything that I needed to like be involved with.

00:12:37.900 But I guess I got close enough where if I had gotten into those circles a little bit more, I probably would have bumped into the alt-right as it were five or six years ago, which would have been not nearly as big as it's grown today.

00:12:53.340 Yeah, so what do you think? 0.57

00:12:54.360 You know, usually when things get into the mainstream, you know, the media just has a way of making things suck.

00:13:00.200 You know, they water things down, they make it cheesy, they take it in a different direction.

00:13:04.980 I know there's pros and cons, and I think that we should get into this on the alt-right going mainstream.

00:13:10.680 What have been some of your thoughts seeing some of the press about the movement?

00:13:15.440 Well, I think it was only a matter of time before we were noticed.

00:13:20.560 I mean, you know, some of the trolling activities of which there have been many epic battles in the meme war that have been, you know, pretty exciting.

00:13:30.860 Those gain us attention and notoriety, you know, especially the echo meme and some of these other things.

00:13:40.720 I mean, you know, I'm sure National Review was well aware when Trump really became popular in the race that they had a comment section problem, to put it lightly.

00:13:51.700 But I mean, it's hard for these, you know, and Twitter has long been known, like whenever I'm talking to like normal people that are not part of the alt-right, people will make comments about how difficult it is to operate on Twitter because anything you say and they're referring to, like, they might as well just say, if I cuck, then I'm going to, you know, I run the risk of being under a lot of scrutiny from people tweeting Holocaust denial memes at me and things like that.

00:14:19.760 I mean, people are aware of this, and so it was only a matter of time before I think the media started to look at what is the alt-right, what is this all about.

00:14:30.500 And I think just speaking as someone who has come from kind of inside the beltway and have spent a lot of time in these GOP circles, I think there's always this, there's always been this intense need to reject being called racist.

00:14:48.020 Everybody's very well aware of this.

00:14:49.760 But on the other side of that is the media wanting to find tangible racist elements within the right wing, and they view the alt-right as part of the GOP.

00:15:03.500 And they want to point those things out.

00:15:05.900 And so they want, I think their goal here is to breathe enough oxygen into the alt-right so that they can have a new scapegoat.

00:15:14.540 And that's why you have the Washington Post saying half of Trump supporters are racist.

00:15:18.580 You have Hillary Clinton calling us basket of, we're in a basket of deplorables. 0.77

00:15:23.600 And we know that from the start, I think we all have to recognize that no matter what we say, whether it's a centrist position, whether we try to seem presentable or more respectable or whatever, you're going to be called a Nazi and a racist.

00:15:41.040 And no matter what you say or do, and we know that even if you're on the total other end of the spectrum, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are also racists and Nazis at the end of the day when they're opposed to any leftist ideology.

00:15:56.400 So I think it's great, the exposure, but we are in the very early stages of growing here. 0.72

00:16:06.400 And yeah, it's like the ratio of fair articles to just ridiculous wow, just wow, pearl clutching is like one to ten.

00:16:15.320 You'll see like one pretty fair article written and then about nine of these just wow, just wow articles.

00:16:22.280 Exactly. And when you're in the media, of course, you know, truth matters.

00:16:25.600 So you want to point some of these things out.

00:16:27.260 And I know in your show you were talking about alt-right versus alt-light.

00:16:30.760 And I want to get into some of that a little bit.

00:16:32.900 But earlier this year, it was, you know, Milo released a piece on the alt-right and then the media just kind of propped him up as this queen, as he says, for the alt-right.

00:16:41.020 And he's become kind of like a pop star poster boy of Western values.

00:16:45.600 And I noticed there's this whole kind of cult of personality built around him.

00:16:48.780 You can even see him on tours.

00:16:50.240 He's carried in on a chair like a god, you know, he'll probably have a reality show soon.

00:16:54.220 But people in our scene, they have a lot of strong reactions either way to him.

00:16:57.560 And I've heard a lot of different angles and I try to just ignore him.

00:17:01.220 But then I heard this clip the other day when he was asked about what the alt-right is.

00:17:06.360 So I just want to play this for you.

00:17:08.640 Sure.

00:17:09.100 And what is the alt-right?

00:17:10.380 No, I mean, I've never identified as the alt-right.

00:17:12.140 The press seems determined to crown me the queen of it.

00:17:14.860 All I've done is give them a fair hearing in the press.

00:17:16.620 I think that white identity and white nationalism is a little misleading.

00:17:19.700 I think it's more accurate to say that the alt-right cares about Western supremacy rather than white supremacy.

00:17:24.880 It cares about Western values.

00:17:26.180 It cares about liberal, capitalist, Western democracy, democratic values, freedom, equality, that kind of thing.

00:17:31.900 And it sees, you know, various threats to those from various fronts.

00:17:35.500 Now, here he's relating the alt-right to equality, liberal values, capitalism, democracy.

00:17:41.060 He says it's misleading to say it's about white identity.

00:17:44.280 So is this good for us when he says something like this?

00:17:48.020 So I think it's interesting.

00:17:50.020 You could do a whole analysis on Milo or Milo.

00:17:54.600 Anybody who is out there attempting to try to define what we are could be doing so because they genuinely want people to know what we or they themselves, the person speaking, represents.

00:18:06.720 But you have to take into account that Milo was sitting, I think that was the CNBC Power Lunch interview.

00:18:15.780 Capitalism, of course.

00:18:16.660 That's what he's talking about on CNBC.

00:18:18.720 But he's, you know, he kind of changes his answers depending on his audience.

00:18:25.940 But I still, I don't, I don't know what he really thinks because I've never talked to him.

00:18:32.340 And I would probably want to talk to him to know exactly really what he thinks.

00:18:36.660 But I think, I think there's, I think Western civilization is an important thing to defend.

00:18:44.540 But that's not what, I mean, you know, we're, you know, whites are, you know, we always look at as the genesis for Western civilization. 0.90

00:18:53.340 And that's true.

00:18:54.320 But I think, I think he's afraid to say we are, you know, we're not supremacists, but we believe that whites should have their own identity, that we should be able to advocate on our own behalf and do so without shame.

00:19:07.140 I think he's afraid to go on CNBC and say that.

00:19:11.520 Again, I don't know, really know what he thinks, but I think there's, I don't like punching to the right.

00:19:16.880 But at the same time, it's, it's a struggle because he has potentially how, maybe a million, I don't know how many followers he had before his Twitter account was shut down.

00:19:27.700 But he's got a pretty big following.

00:19:29.980 And the point is, is that then you have people saying that they're alt-right and really their definition of the alt-right, which is not necessarily a bad thing in total, taken at face value, is that, you know, that I've seen the alt-right defined as people who are just tired of the GOP.

00:19:49.280 Well, I'm, I'm more than just tired with the GOP.

00:19:52.380 I don't even consider myself a Republican.

00:19:54.240 Um, but I'm a Republican in the sense that I'm going to support Donald Trump, but back to Milo, um, you know, it's, you have these people kind of getting involved and misrepresenting, I guess, what the alt-right is.

00:20:07.320 So at the end of the day is I'm going to stick to my principles.

00:20:10.640 I'm going to stick to what I believe in.

00:20:12.620 I think Lawrence Murray has kind of outlined that pretty well in those seven tenets that I kind of outlined.

00:20:18.100 And those are kind of things that it's like, if you don't agree with these things or, or you, or you think the opposite of these things, we're, we're going to have a problem.

00:20:27.880 Um, and you're not, you can't, it's not appropriate for you to represent yourself as alt-right.

00:20:32.380 But at the same time, if you're encouraging people to come, come in like the sales cone, you, you pick people up at different points along the journey, then, uh, you know, then it might be beneficial.

00:20:45.300 It just has to be, I think, managed in an intelligent way.

00:20:48.760 And it can't just be kind of haphazard and, and all over the place.

00:20:53.100 And it seems like that's kind of what stage we're in right now.

00:20:55.880 I think, I think constructive criticism is good.

00:20:57.540 I also don't believe in punching to the right, but I also don't think cultural libertarians really view themselves to the right.

00:21:03.380 I mean, they don't like identity politics at all.

00:21:06.200 I mean, that's their problem.

00:21:07.460 I mean, for me, when I hear a clip like this, I just think, okay, well, truth matters.

00:21:11.280 And, you know, I've been using this term and we've been working hard here at Red Ice.

00:21:14.800 We've been spending a lot of our time interviewing some of the best and some of the originators of alt-right thought.

00:21:20.300 And so I feel it's, you know, out of respect for all those people who have worked so hard to clarify that and call it out when something is being misdirected or redefined in a term that's appropriate for more, you know, a libertarian crowd.

00:21:32.840 It's just about truth matters.

00:21:34.060 So it's not really attacking him or punching, but just kind of, hey, you know, you know that sometimes the media or possibly, you know, he works for Breitbart.

00:21:43.880 Breitbart, you know, is tied in with lots of powerful Jewish organizations.

00:21:47.700 They meet with Netanyahu.

00:21:49.480 So there are other interests, right, that work against us.

00:21:52.640 And we know that there's a lot of Jewish groups who their interest is to stop nationalism because they think that nationalism is going to lead to a Holocaust.

00:22:00.680 I mean, they're the paranoid conspiracy theorists about it.

00:22:02.960 So I do keep my eyes open for those possible things because we know there are people who like to control the narrative and play two sides.

00:22:10.620 You know what I mean?

00:22:11.080 But Lana, Jews are never going to want to subvert the alt-right.

00:22:16.060 They're not going to want to come in and try to meddle in our affairs and screw up what we've become very successful at doing.

00:22:23.860 And by the way, the more successful we become, the bigger these kinds of problems.

00:22:28.380 I'm sure you're aware these problems get bigger and more subversion occurs.

00:22:33.580 Because, you know, if you told me a year ago that you would have the Democratic candidate for president, Hillary Clinton, giving a primetime speech about what we were – our political kind of point of view that didn't really exist in the way that it did a year ago.

00:22:53.040 I mean, it's just amazing how far we've come.

00:22:56.660 I mean, it's –

00:22:57.900 Yeah, and I think there's been so much work done.

00:22:59.760 And I think some people say, well, maybe we need to water down the message, but I don't know if we're going to be successful by watering it down because that's compromise.

00:23:07.780 And we're in a place where we can't compromise because this is survival.

00:23:11.600 This is serious.

00:23:13.140 You know, Henrik and I made a response to his speech.

00:23:15.000 And, of course, we're not making personal attacks at him.

00:23:17.040 But some of the things that he said, we disagree with that he's misinterpreting what the alt-right is about.

00:23:22.180 And he says that, you know, he's not a part of it.

00:23:24.700 So why is the media – that's always the question.

00:23:26.880 Why are they always asking him to define it, you know? 0.97

00:23:29.680 And I noticed people were saying, you know, he's got his kind of little fag hags and they come out, stop picking on Milo. 0.98

00:23:35.240 Leave him alone. 0.99

00:23:36.060 He's one of you.

00:23:36.840 He's our voice, you know.

00:23:38.300 Stop making alt-right mean something for white people.

00:23:42.020 I'm like, wait a minute. 0.68

00:23:43.840 All of this is all about white people, you know? 0.96

00:23:47.120 I mean, I'm not about to let that definition slip from it because that's the most important definition of all, right?

00:23:54.000 It is.

00:23:54.660 It's the foundation of it.

00:23:57.420 And, yeah, I mean, this is the danger.

00:24:01.280 I mean it's not like we don't have a template that has completely and utterly failed at running to the center right in front of us.

00:24:10.160 I mean this was supposed to be – not to go off on the election, but this was supposed to be the coronation of Jeb Bush.

00:24:16.100 This was supposed to be a continuation of neoconservatism and cuckservatism that had been going on since William F. Buckley.

00:24:22.980 And that has failed.

00:24:25.240 That – a party that has not been explicitly right-wing has been slowly moving to the left for decades.

00:24:32.760 And I don't want to be a part of something that begins – we've worked so hard to create what we have right now.

00:24:39.700 And we've, at least at Fashion Nation, have tried to maintain our principles throughout this entire thing.

00:24:46.760 And we're not going to compromise.

00:24:48.120 We're not going to run to the center on this.

00:24:49.960 I mean we have to – GOP has been taken over.

00:24:52.360 Neocons are taken over. 0.99

00:24:53.820 It might as well be the Israel party.

00:24:55.640 And I just – we just can't let that happen again.

00:24:58.120 You know, we have to be vigilant about that.

00:25:00.580 Yeah, we're in the middle of winning right now.

00:25:02.860 Like let's just stop doing what we've been doing up until now.

00:25:06.680 Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, so.

00:25:09.620 And then sometimes, you know, people say, well, there's a tactical advantage to having people who aren't on our page say that they're alt-right.

00:25:18.100 Have you thought about that?

00:25:18.920 What tactical advantage would there be having like cultural libertarians identify as alt-right?

00:25:24.520 How does that help us?

00:25:26.460 I don't think that it is an advantage at all because I think – look.

00:25:34.860 When I was a – when I was still a basic bitch GOP guy, and I'm sure this is true for a lot of the people that were libertarian because I was kind of one foot in both camps.

00:25:46.720 I was always searching for something better, searching for something more ultimately, you know, this quest for truth.

00:25:54.560 And if, you know, the red pill is in and of itself a quest for truth, you are always finding new red pills.

00:26:02.300 You're finding – learning more things, doing more things.

00:26:05.180 It makes no sense whatsoever to have things be called something and then mean something else because, you know, what if you're dragging, you know, 10,000 people in the direction of cultural libertarianism because they hear about this thing called the alt-right?

00:26:22.780 I mean, I don't know.

00:26:25.240 And at the same time, alt-right is a nice vehicle for getting us somewhere, but I'm not necessarily attached to that name either.

00:26:35.420 I'm kind of okay with letting it go and maintaining what I believe in and being like, well, you know, you can make cultural libertarianism all about the alt-right if you want, but that's not –

00:26:46.780 that's not – you know, I think people will eventually filter down to what really the truth is.

00:26:53.180 And, you know, as you know, that's what the red pill is all about.

00:26:57.300 There's no going back once you go down that route.

00:26:59.060 Of course. And, of course, I know we can always reinvent ourselves and what we're on this mission – I mean, we're on fire.

00:27:05.660 It's not going to be stopped no matter what they do, you know.

00:27:08.080 So – and we just have to have a backbone and claim and own what's ours, I think, what we've collectively created in behalf of white people because we want this to ultimately lead to political influence.

00:27:18.160 And I see the alt-right being the start of that, but then you see all these other interests kind of jumping in there.

00:27:23.480 How can we use this? How can we dampen this out? How can we water this out?

00:27:26.560 You know how it is, of course. I mean, there's thousands of organizations that work against white people.

00:27:32.340 This is all they do is sit around and conspire how they can stop the rise of nationalism and right-wing.

00:27:37.780 I mean, there's, like, billions of dollars of think tanks going into that.

00:27:41.460 So, of course, they're going to be eyeing the alt-right, right?

00:27:44.460 Yeah, and that's one big aspect of it.

00:27:48.160 I would also be concerned about, you know, there's also seeking e-celebrity and, you know, kind of getting one whiff of attention from major media people and getting excited about that.

00:28:01.340 And I think most of the time we're handling the media attention and the media contacts really, really well.

00:28:07.140 But I think there's, you know, this is a movement with really no leadership, which up until now has been pretty good.

00:28:17.960 It's not organized.

00:28:19.120 We're all kind of doing what we do best, and that has worked out really well.

00:28:23.440 But I think there's not just people from the outside looking to subvert, but because there's a vacuum, you have people from the outside also looking to kind of usurp what is here and try to either make it into something that it isn't or try to come in and take advantage of something that, you know, look at all the different aspects of it.

00:28:49.140 People could think of it as a place for fundraising, people could think of it as a place to grow a constituency group for an election.

00:28:56.480 I mean, we're big enough now where they're going to start marketing to us.

00:29:00.960 And, you know, for the most part, we're resistant to marketing.

00:29:03.720 I think it's important that we view ourselves as it's up to us to shift the window.

00:29:11.160 It's up to us to make things acceptable.

00:29:12.800 We don't need to use anyone else who's out there who might have some celebrity or who might be led on to mainstream.

00:29:20.540 And then certainly thinking in terms of Jews, how many Jews have helped white interests ever? 0.51

00:29:26.620 You know what I mean?

00:29:27.080 It's like we have to really worry about this ourselves and take it upon ourselves to be the new media and to set the trends and to set the direction a different flow and not look to someone else who's kind of already in there to do it for us.

00:29:40.000 I don't know.

00:29:40.340 What do you think?

00:29:42.200 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:29:43.300 I mean, we're building our own.

00:29:44.840 I thought the point of this was to build our own institutions that were ours, that we can, excuse me, that we control and that we exert 100 percent influence over, not to kind of dilute what we're saying so that we're acceptable.

00:30:02.360 Like, look, I would rather do fashion the nation for five years or 10 years and gain one listener per year.

00:30:10.600 Of course, our growth rate is not that flat, but I would rather do that for five or 10 years than compromise on 50 percent of my beliefs in order to have a show on Sirius XM.

00:30:25.300 Yeah, I it's like I would not be able to wake up in the morning on a Saturday and be excited about doing my show if I had to temper everything that I'm saying because some guy in the office upstairs paying me my my shekels is it will be upset if I say something to offend any number of these groups.

00:30:45.580 So I I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.

00:30:49.280 I think we all should.

00:30:50.160 Right.

00:30:50.440 Yeah, we should act like they're they're dying.

00:30:52.260 They're crumbling.

00:30:53.260 The truth has left them.

00:30:55.040 Any sense of life have have left them.

00:30:57.520 And it feels good to deny them.

00:30:59.940 I've had people reach out to me for interviews and I deny them and it feels really good.

00:31:03.660 I feel proud of myself for that, too.

00:31:05.440 You know, it's just we want to look to them to the past.

00:31:09.020 And I think that we should create our own thing.

00:31:10.820 And that gives us even more power instead of sometimes I see some of these and I get what some people are doing when they want to get some words out there.

00:31:18.220 But it seems like everything just gets twisted in the end.

00:31:20.520 Anytime people do interviews, you know, I know James Edwards has just stopped doing it all together for that purpose.

00:31:26.500 Yeah, they get twisted.

00:31:27.480 They get taken out of context.

00:31:29.420 Yeah, it's it's unfortunate that that this goes on.

00:31:32.240 But this is this is the reality that we're in.

00:31:34.720 So do you think if people become civic nationalists first, why people that that could possibly lead into kind of thinking in terms of ethno nationalism, if they're first they're thinking Western values, could they potentially move on to think about race?

00:31:49.940 I think civic nationalism is is a is a nice it's a step in the right direction.

00:31:54.820 I think that is, you know, all of these things should be thought of as transitional phases.

00:32:01.260 It's not a place where you would want to encourage or push people to land.

00:32:07.060 You know, I think I don't know.

00:32:09.420 I you want people to kind of keep going in being pushed.

00:32:14.760 So if you push them a little bit further to the right and then the next person they come into contact with or the next website or the next show they hear or whatever pushes them even further to the right.

00:32:23.540 Then I think that's I think that's a there's some merit to doing that.

00:32:28.520 But I I wouldn't say I would advocate that I'm I would support a civic nationalist politician because I know that a white nationalist politician is probably not going to be able to get elected in ninety nine percent of the communities around us.

00:32:45.260 But if we get enough civic nationalists selected, then maybe we can start getting white nationalists selected in ten percent of the communities.

00:32:52.900 I mean, it's just it's kind of just a, you know, a slow, steady march.

00:32:57.480 But we you know, I think at the end of the day, we all have to kind of believe we're headed in the same direction.

00:33:03.180 And our destiny is kind of inextricably linked to one another.

00:33:07.480 And I think that will engender kind of more and more people waking up to to being to not feeling shame for standing up for being a white person.

00:33:17.740 Yeah, I noticed that there's so many in the center and on the right to they oppose identity politics, but then they support it for, let's say, Jews or gays or non-whites.

00:33:27.360 It just can't seem to see that double standard.

00:33:29.880 And I think if we could break through that and get all those people to to actually feel OK with having some white interests, maybe that could be a bigger demographic to tap into.

00:33:39.520 But my question is always, how do we reach those people?

00:33:42.700 Right.

00:33:43.340 Well, I think, you know, I think Donald Trump is sort of reaching them in a way.

00:33:46.840 I mean, just as one example, because we did kind of an in-depth look at Pennsylvania electorally in the last fashion of the nation.

00:33:53.940 And Pennsylvania is still pretty, pretty white, pretty working class.

00:33:57.720 And a lot of those whites in working class or have been Democrats for a long time.

00:34:01.920 But they're not switching to Trump because necessarily they could lose their job.

00:34:07.460 In fact, the building boom in Pennsylvania is actually pretty big.

00:34:10.600 So they're not worried necessarily about their job.

00:34:12.940 Some of them are.

00:34:13.480 Some of them aren't.

00:34:14.220 But a lot of them are worried about, you know, that with the immigration stuff, because they start seeing people that don't look like them popping up in their in their home state.

00:34:23.500 And I think those people, because they like Trump, they like their job, but they also like their country and they see the Democratic Party kind of abandoning America, like this burger Americanism that a lot of the white working class people have.

00:34:40.020 I think they start to see their jobs were at stake.

00:34:45.460 Now they're like neighborhoods and what they have been comfortable with all their lives is at stake.

00:34:51.600 And the only conclusion that they can come to is because it's not other white people that are doing that to them.

00:34:57.300 It's the immigrants that are being led into the country. 1.00

00:34:59.720 And there's one group that's allowing them to come in.

00:35:03.300 And there's another group saying we want to keep these people out.

00:35:05.660 And I think just at a very basic level, that's enough to get people ahead three steps toward our position.

00:35:12.640 And then you move them a little bit further.

00:35:15.520 Crime and stuff is another thing that kind of helps people along the way.

00:35:20.900 So, yeah.

00:35:21.900 I know we can't come out, boom, full force with the JQ like some people like to do. 1.00

00:35:26.160 You scare people off and stuff.

00:35:27.440 But, you know, we've been thinking about this lately.

00:35:29.640 Does there need to be kind of like a JQ for dummies, something that like really proves what we're talking about?

00:35:37.660 Yeah, it's, you know, Halversham says this a lot.

00:35:40.320 It's like, yo, bro, you're just not allowed to notice this stuff.

00:35:44.020 We just need to start pointing it out.

00:35:46.600 I mean, just like the media, like, you know, if you sit and watch cable television for any length of time, you're going to and you keep a tally.

00:35:52.820 You're going to see half a dozen commercials showing like black and white couples.

00:35:56.780 And this is just something that you notice because you see it in it.

00:36:00.740 And then you go out in public and you're conditioned to this being OK.

00:36:03.900 We have to kind of be starting to do the reverse where it's like you're just, you know, lightly red pilling people.

00:36:10.860 I mean, just in casual conversation when somebody says, isn't it odd that such and such and such?

00:36:15.640 You can say, you know, certain things like, you know, isn't it odd that, you know, half of the Republican Party donors are high dollar donors or Jews? 0.51

00:36:24.420 Like, does that does that does that seem strange to you at all?

00:36:27.020 Like, why is that?

00:36:28.240 I mean, just kind of forcing people to notice these things that they may not otherwise pay attention to, I think, just breaks the conditioning over time.

00:36:37.880 Yeah, I think one of the big areas is the Jewish interest groups.

00:36:41.040 We've looked into that.

00:36:41.800 I mean, there's thousands of them, thousands of them, you know.

00:36:44.920 And then you learn that they all push for mass immigration.

00:36:47.940 They want the ethno state in Israel.

00:36:50.260 But then they're pushing, you know, diversity in white countries.

00:36:54.120 I think that we should be hammering some of these things and detailing some of them more so that we prove we have to prove that they're also paranoid about another Holocaust happening. 0.84

00:37:02.820 Right. So they're they have to stop nationalism.

00:37:05.160 If you watch defamation, if you watch some of their documentaries, they they tell you that, you know, they're always paranoid about the rise of fascists or Nazis around the corner.

00:37:13.560 So we have to turn around on them that they're actually the paranoid conspiracy theorists that are worried about Shoah in any moment, you know.

00:37:22.020 Well, that's right. That's exactly right.

00:37:24.240 And yeah, I mean, you look at any of these groups, we're looking at the Club for Growth.

00:37:28.120 And you look at who, who the, you know, the chairman of that group is, but he's also a board member of the American Enterprise Institute.

00:37:35.680 And then you just start drawing all these connections.

00:37:38.260 And it's like, you're not supposed to notice this stuff, but it's like the same, you know, it's the same panel of people that are in charge kind of of running everything with the Republican Party.

00:37:48.600 I mean, Bill Kristol, when you look at all the panels and groups and senior fellowships and stuff that he has, it's like these people all you could fill a room with about two or three hundred of them.

00:37:57.900 And they're all part of this, what would seem to be a gigantic conservative apparatus, when in reality, it's just it's not.

00:38:05.120 It's just them controlling and pulling all the levers.

00:38:08.640 And they are very frustrated at what's going on right now.

00:38:12.480 And we should relish in the the destruction of the Republican Party if he doesn't win.

00:38:17.060 And so I think I think that'll be a lot of people are going to be starting to figure that out.

00:38:23.480 Another way you can point this stuff out is like, hey, this guy who's been a decided Republican or conservative all this time, like Jonah Goldberg, why is he so in support of Hillary Clinton? 0.97

00:38:34.360 I thought Hillary Clinton was supposed to be like this really bad, evil, nasty person. 1.00

00:38:38.920 Like, why? 0.99

00:38:39.280 Why is that?

00:38:40.300 And why?

00:38:40.740 Why are these other people like Bill Kristol seeming to do the same thing?

00:38:43.960 In fact, and then you just start pointing out all the same people are doing the same thing to a basic kind of entry level political person.

00:38:51.380 I mean, this is pretty, pretty effective, I think.

00:38:53.780 Well, it seems like, you know, some of these questions have been popping up in the media, though, haven't they?

00:38:58.500 Some things have kind of leaked through in some of these alt-right interviews where, you know, they're the interviewers are always most concerned about the alt-right's view on the Jews, aren't they?

00:39:07.980 Yeah, they seem to be.

00:39:10.140 Of course they are, though.

00:39:11.460 I mean, that's exactly, they want to, you know, one, either way, they're going to label, they want any excuse to label us anti-Semitic.

00:39:20.580 And, you know, we should correct them, as always, and say that we are counter-Semitic.

00:39:25.500 We're not anti-Semitic.

00:39:27.600 And, yeah, you know, things like that.

00:39:29.540 But they're going to do that.

00:39:30.580 They're going to do that anyway.

00:39:31.800 They're going to do that no matter what.

00:39:33.100 Unless you're out there proclaiming that our greatest ally should receive at least $100 billion in federal funding every year, ma-Israel, then you are an anti-Semite in their eyes.

00:39:45.980 Yeah, what is it?

00:39:46.740 They just got a bump.

00:39:48.120 I think it was almost $4 billion a year now from America.

00:39:51.620 And I just tweeted something about that.

00:39:53.140 And, like, the world's richest ethnic group is getting $4 billion a year of taxpayer money for their ethno-state.

00:40:00.740 For their ethno-state, yeah.

00:40:02.000 Totally incredible.

00:40:02.640 Well, they've – when you look at what the Jews have done, they have been very successful at achieving an ethno-state, an national identity, and really, they've done it really well.

00:40:14.120 And they stay over here, and they control everything else over here.

00:40:17.420 So where do you think the alt-right is going to be going from here?

00:40:20.400 It feels like we're going through changes.

00:40:21.700 Like you said, a lot of people are coming on board.

00:40:24.660 Things have gone into the media.

00:40:26.620 Some things have been twisted.

00:40:27.800 Some things are correct.

00:40:29.860 Where do you see things going now?

00:40:31.480 I mean, what kind of shape is this going to take?

00:40:34.520 It all depends on what happens in the next – what is it?

00:40:37.580 50, 55, 54 days?

00:40:40.140 I think if Hillary Clinton wins, we're going to see a significant trend in the direction of globalism and the shuttening that was starting to occur before Trump and a little bit when Trump was in the primaries.

00:40:59.000 And you're going to see – excuse me, you're going to see a lot of that occurring.

00:41:02.880 And it's not going to be pretty, but at the same time, you're going to see the people that are becoming aware of what's going on around them and waking up to this increase exponentially.

00:41:13.320 With Trump, I think we're going to have kind of free reign over a lot of these things.

00:41:19.460 You're going to see a very – the media is going to become extremely hostile, more hostile than they ever were under George W. Bush.

00:41:26.560 But at the same time, the media has lost a lot of its leverage.

00:41:31.600 And I think there's a nice gap in there that can be filled.

00:41:35.580 People aren't going to traditional media sources as often as they are anymore.

00:41:39.740 Yes, those places are pumping Facebook and Twitter and a lot of other places and so that wherever people go, those places are going to try to find a way to follow.

00:41:49.360 But I think we need to be elbowing our way in because people who are waking up and frustrated with what they're seeing on Facebook and frustrated with what they're seeing everywhere else, they want a place to land.

00:42:02.020 They want a place to go.

00:42:03.060 And whenever somebody says, hey, I just listened to Fashion Nation for the first time or I – my parents listened to Fashion Nation or I just showed this to my girlfriend or whatever, I'm kind of glad that they got in at the ground floor.

00:42:17.980 You know, like they got in, they're going to start listening and maybe start picking things up and hearing more things.

00:42:29.120 We have a bunch of, you know, FTN recommends on our website.

00:42:33.480 You know, you guys are on there.

00:42:34.740 And so if someone finds Fashion Nation in this sea of degeneracy that we're all floating around in, then they can bump into a bunch of other things.

00:42:44.440 And we don't want them to come bump into us and then just kind of either maybe not like it or get discouraged or whatever.

00:42:51.760 We want people to find everything that there is because we were all in the beginning kind of on that quest for the truth.

00:42:58.960 And, you know, I want to help people along their way as much as I can.

00:43:02.960 That's right.

00:43:03.220 A lot of good stuff, a lot of bright people on the all right.

00:43:05.880 I know.

00:43:06.100 I was trying to think back, okay, before I knew that and that, how could someone have reached me?

00:43:10.960 What did I need to hear to go into this direction?

00:43:13.560 I think it's good to assess that.

00:43:14.840 Remember where we were, what we needed to hear and kind of be that voice for those people around us.

00:43:20.160 I'm always thinking, yeah, we need creative new ways.

00:43:22.840 We have to brainstorm.

00:43:23.740 We have a lot of creativity in our scene, a lot of people with good ideas and lots of talent.

00:43:29.640 I think we have to find ways to reach and attract people.

00:43:33.480 That's going to be the next goal is to reach them and bring them over to our side in creative new ways.

00:43:39.600 That's exactly right.

00:43:41.000 And I think, you know, where whites are most discouraged, that's where we need to be,

00:43:46.000 where people feel like they're most kind of being left aside and out in the cold.

00:43:51.160 And for the most part, a lot of those people are refugees, as it were, from the Democratic Party.

00:43:59.140 I saw an article today that whites and Christians are leaving the Democratic Party in droves.

00:44:06.760 And I think some of the – most of those people are, you know, people that were Democrats when the Democratic Party was more conservative than the Republicans. 0.95

00:44:14.400 And I think a lot of those people might be willing to entertain some of the things that we are talking about because we kind of steer clear of all the annoying, like, basic bitch GOP issues. 0.98

00:44:29.360 We kind of stick to the meat and potatoes, which I think is a good plan.

00:44:32.900 Yeah, I think that's when it could be good to really hammer out what alt-right is really interested in, right?

00:44:38.740 We're fed up with anti-white politics.

00:44:40.580 We're tired of mass immigration. 1.00

00:44:42.100 We're tired of being called, you know, racists and all the problems for the world and that we can't have a country of our own.

00:44:48.260 And ultimately, that that's our goal.

00:44:49.860 That's really simple, but it's really strong.

00:44:52.160 And I think that that will reach people.

00:44:53.500 So it's important to not let that part of our message get watered down, right?

00:44:59.220 Exactly.

00:44:59.920 Yeah, I think that's – I think that's important.

00:45:01.740 And that's another reason why – I mean, I am running away from neoconservatism at light speed at any possible moment that I can. 0.91

00:45:12.900 I mean, it's just so distasteful and it's just so repugnant.

00:45:17.640 And Democrats feel the same way about this.

00:45:19.880 And so that's another reason why the alt-right is not just – should not be defined as just an arm of the GOP because it's not.

00:45:28.240 It's really not.

00:45:29.160 We're right-wing, but I think a lot of the – not all the – what is right-wing today and what does that mean?

00:45:35.220 You know, to some people it means ma Israel and trillion-dollar wars, but that's not what it means to me.

00:45:41.280 It seems, too, that all this shock value is kind of leaving, right?

00:45:47.520 I mean, there's most of – basically the only sacred cows that were left was to, you know, crack Jew jokes and talk about Holocaust revisionism. 0.92

00:45:54.900 But it seems like all this is really getting out there now, isn't it?

00:45:57.720 It's like, hmm, is there anything that's going to be shocking to talk about anymore?

00:46:01.420 Yeah, I don't know.

00:46:04.080 You know, it's always shocking.

00:46:05.400 People are always talking about, like, the conspiracy theories that pop up and some of them, you know, that Hillary Clinton has a body double or whatever.

00:46:13.720 I think some people are dabbling in that.

00:46:16.920 But, yeah, I think it's great that some of these things that were off-limits are now – you can just bring them up.

00:46:25.380 Build a wall to port them all.

00:46:26.520 I think that's – you know, it's – you can just talk about that with anyone now.

00:46:31.180 And before it was like, you know, you just want to be like, we need responsible immigration reform.

00:46:37.340 And that's what you would say if you didn't want to sound like a racist.

00:46:39.580 Now it's like, build a wall to port them all.

00:46:40.880 So I think it's great because if these things are not off-limits, then it just opens the conversation up with people who may otherwise have been shut off from it.

00:46:49.540 The other thing is, too, I think that's important in our movement is to never denounce extremists that are on our side.

00:46:56.600 I think that we shouldn't pick on those people.

00:46:58.760 I know some people want to distance.

00:47:00.320 I'm not like them over there.

00:47:01.960 But we really could use all that, don't you think?

00:47:04.800 That's exactly right.

00:47:05.400 We should be picking more on the left at all times.

00:47:08.380 That's exactly right.

00:47:09.500 And, yeah, you don't see the left doing that.

00:47:12.160 They don't behave that way.

00:47:13.400 You don't see Obama coming out or Hillary publicly shaming people, Bernie supporters, or even some of their more extreme left-wing elements.

00:47:23.360 I mean you don't – you just don't see that.

00:47:25.560 They try to get those people in line the best they can.

00:47:28.420 But, you know, the – look at the – I mean you could do an entire show on this.

00:47:33.760 Like look at how successful the most left-wing elements of the Democratic Party have been at pulling Hillary Clinton, who is really a neocon in a pantsuit who likes high taxes, to the left.

00:47:44.560 I mean they have been successful in their own right at doing that.

00:47:47.640 And one of the reasons is because they're not dumping on their own, you know, left-wing, far left-wing people.

00:47:54.380 I hate using the term far left-wing.

00:47:55.960 They're more committed, more pure, more core value – left core value supporters I guess is the best way you could put it.

00:48:02.940 Yeah, but it is quite amazing to see how Pepe, I mean it's like in the news, you know what I mean?

00:48:09.780 It's just bizarre.

00:48:10.980 I mean is Pepe still going to be cool after he's been in the news so much or is his charm wearing off now?

00:48:15.980 Yeah, I think if – I think if it gets – the only way you could ruin Pepe and praise, you know, praise beyond Keck on high to make sure that this never happens.

00:48:27.100 But all it would take is just a one cuck-servative or whatever to start appropriating these memes.

00:48:34.400 And then they're ruined forever.

00:48:35.620 I mean they're ruined forever.

00:48:36.520 It would take a lot to ruin Pepe.

00:48:37.620 But I think if, you know, the left or some cucks or, you know, some kind of, I don't know, mainstream marketing company started using Pepe and trying to make it something else, I think we would probably just abandon it because the meme's dead.

00:48:55.900 Yeah, that might be happening, but I think new ones will always arise.

00:48:59.500 Oh, of course.

00:48:59.880 I feel like, yeah, there is some kind of attempts to, you know, just use it like crazy until it's just not fun for us anymore.

00:49:07.620 And then they hope that we'll just go away.

00:49:09.560 But, of course, new things will arise.

00:49:10.980 They always do.

00:49:12.300 They always do.

00:49:13.180 Although I am particularly fond of Pepe.

00:49:16.380 And it's funny.

00:49:17.280 Like I bought a Pepe sweatshirt like about a year ago.

00:49:21.740 And when I bought that Pepe sweatshirt, it was – it's the Angry Pepe.

00:49:25.860 That's what's on it.

00:49:27.420 And it's a bright blue sweatshirt.

00:49:29.560 It's got Angry Pepe on it with the red screen background.

00:49:32.200 And that was perfectly acceptable to, like, wear out to the grocery store to walking around my community.

00:49:40.560 Like, never thought twice because it's just Pepe the frog from all the memes.

00:49:44.260 And now, like, when I put on that sweatshirt, I think to myself, like – because now colder weather is coming.

00:49:49.340 I'm thinking to myself, it's like, is this, like, just totally a white nationalist symbol now?

00:49:55.140 Like, will people just see this and think that that's exactly what – I mean, it really has become totally associated with the alt-right, which I think is great.

00:50:04.040 But it's just funny, like, in 12 months that I've owned that article of clothing, like, how the dynamic has completely shifted.

00:50:11.520 I know.

00:50:11.820 It's happening fast, isn't it?

00:50:13.360 So then I think, all right, let's organize and get creative and brainstorm and see what we can do next.

00:50:19.000 Let's take it to new levels, right, new heights and push this thing.

00:50:22.040 I think we have to ride that wave for sure.

00:50:23.980 I agree.

00:50:25.140 So, you know, white nationalism, that's – it turns people off when you say that. 0.98

00:50:28.500 And a lot of non-whites, they seem to think that it means that we're going to get into power and round them all up and gas them or ship them back to Africa or something. 1.00

00:50:39.400 So when you say white nationalism, being an American, what does that mean to you? 0.84

00:50:45.140 Well, to me, at a very – at the very least, it means that we should be able to advocate on our own behalf and for our own interests.

00:50:54.320 And to stop the interests of others from prevailing over ours.

00:51:00.760 And I don't think we're going to have that unless we are separated.

00:51:06.860 And I think that should be the eventual goal.

00:51:10.960 I think white nationalism will eventually – I hope – I don't want to blackpill people. 1.00

00:51:16.940 But I really – my sincerest hope is that Donald Trump can turn things around.

00:51:22.720 My fear is that he's just going to slow things down.

00:51:25.700 And he's not a white nationalist, by the way.

00:51:27.840 At best, he's a civic nationalist.

00:51:29.360 He – we don't know what he really thinks, obviously.

00:51:33.560 But I think secession is really going to be the only real outcome, the only eventual outcome, the only one that makes sense.

00:51:41.140 And I'm hoping that it's done in a way that you have flight from each split.

00:51:47.920 And it's a flight based on race.

00:51:51.320 And you can slowly kind of shift gears where people can agree to live separately.

00:51:58.120 And, you know, I mean, for me, that's the ultimate goal of being a white nationalist is a white ethnostate.

00:52:04.960 Definitely.

00:52:05.180 I agree.

00:52:05.580 For America, that's the best.

00:52:06.840 And for Europe, they're just going to have to deport all those people because that's our continent and we need it. 1.00

00:52:10.660 It's getting crowded there.

00:52:11.620 Yeah, I think the other thing is, too, if we can instill – I've said this many times – a healthy white identity, then naturally people will want to separate. 0.94

00:52:20.380 So then it doesn't even matter if by law it doesn't happen.

00:52:23.580 They'll just instinctively – it will follow.

00:52:26.600 It's almost like a vaccine to diversity.

00:52:28.920 You know, they love their whiteness.

00:52:30.500 Therefore, their body follows and wants to just be around white people. 0.98

00:52:33.780 Yeah, just imagine, like, the exodus from, like, a state like Texas that would occur if Texas seceded and said, you know, we're not going to follow any of this SJW or bullshit that's been going on in the United States. 0.95

00:52:48.520 I mean, I'm sure a lot of people couldn't afford to leave, but I'm sure there would be a lot of people that would – you know, a lot of brown people that would leave Texas. 0.66

00:52:57.000 And I think if you got a few places that became predominantly 95%, 99% white, you know, minorities are going to want to go where other minorities are for the most part. 0.73

00:53:09.560 And then maybe if you have a few kind of white areas that maybe those places might want to come together.

00:53:16.740 I'm not saying that secession has to mean that we all – all whites have to live in, you know, separate places.

00:53:22.100 I think they could eventually come back together, you know, like Europe may have to split apart before it came back together again.

00:53:29.640 That's kind of the point that I'm making, so.

00:53:32.020 Yeah, it's always important.

00:53:33.020 I know no fun is good and joking is good, but we also have a lot of work to do.

00:53:37.580 It's very serious, so we do have to get down to how are we going to make this happen, right?

00:53:42.420 Maybe we're not going to see things in our lifetime, but maybe it'll be our kids or our grandkids, but we have to do a lot of the hard work right now, don't we?

00:53:50.080 We do.

00:53:51.720 We have a lot of hard work ahead, and it's exciting now.

00:53:55.400 I mean, but this is just the beginning.

00:53:57.420 This is really just the beginning.

00:53:59.580 Well, Jazz Hands, thanks so much for your time today.

00:54:01.600 Let everyone know how they can hear your show and your websites, all the details.

00:54:06.480 Absolutely.

00:54:07.000 So primarily we come out every weekend, usually on Saturday, sometimes on Sunday, on radio.therightstuff.biz.

00:54:14.540 We also have fashionthenation.com.

00:54:16.840 If you would like to visit our website, we're just starting to put out some articles.

00:54:21.500 The show is also posted there, and the different segments of the show are posted there.

00:54:25.280 You can follow me on Twitter at JazzHandMcFeels.

00:54:28.380 There's no JazzHands, just JazzHandMcFeels.

00:54:31.440 I ran out of characters.

00:54:32.760 And yeah, that's about it.

00:54:34.760 And if it's Sunday, it's fashion nation.

00:54:36.160 So thanks for having me on.

00:54:37.400 Thank you.

00:54:37.920 It's always a pleasure. 0.94

00:54:38.680 It just comes to our attention that Milo, while on his Dangerous Faggot Tour, which has 0.99

00:54:43.280 over a $1 million budget, will be discussing how to destroy the alt-right movement. 0.95

00:54:48.940 That's what it says on their Facebook page, starting on September 19th in Houston.

00:54:53.300 It's very possible that he might say, give them a country of their own, and then they'll

00:54:57.380 be happy.

00:54:58.260 But I'm doubtful, as the word destroy is a harsh word.

00:55:01.840 Even when we have white nations for white people, we'll have to fight and work hard to 1.00

00:55:05.520 maintain it, making sure this kind of genocidal subversion never happens again. 0.99

00:55:11.140 In the end, folks, we don't need a materialistic, egotistical, gay, degenerate Jew who brags about 1.00

00:55:16.940 black penis in his sociopathic mind to help us. 1.00

00:55:21.420 We only need to count on ourselves, unite, brainstorm, and do the hard work to take back 1.00

00:55:26.560 and take over.

00:55:28.080 CNBC's Power Lunch is a Corpse, and the interview they did with Milo on the alt-right was the highest

00:55:32.680 rated they've had in a long time.

00:55:34.400 That says it all.

00:55:35.980 We are our media.

00:55:37.540 We are our own leaders, and we are the people who will change the tide against all odds.

00:55:42.300 We don't need a cheesy pop star, a beelist celebrity, a flamboyant libertarian, or CNBC's

00:55:48.260 Power Lunch to do it.

00:55:49.700 It's already happening.

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00:56:02.500 Enjoy your evening.

Radio 3Fourteen - September 15, 2016

Alt-Right Is All About The Future of White People

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