Jazz Hands McFeels joins me to talk about the Alt-Right and his new podcast, Fascination. We talk about what it means to be a fascist and why it's important to be anti-racist and anti-colonialist.
00:00:30.000This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.
00:01:00.000And who want something a little edgy, but who do not talk about race unless it's to whine that others are focusing on it.
00:01:05.680Bottom line, alt-right's foundational principle, which is uncompromising, is pro-white identity.
00:01:13.480Stopping mass immigration into European countries, keeping white nations for white people, and creating a future for white children without forced multiculturalism and leftist anti-white programming.
00:01:25.320Working to destroy Europeans and the civilization that our ancestors have built.
00:01:30.700Alt-right isn't just about calling out the ridiculousness of SJWs or feminists, which most people can see now.
00:01:37.180Alt-right is the fight for a white future in white lands, free of invaders and traitors who actively seek to ruin us.
00:01:43.880To make us feel guilty for the success and might of our ancestors as a means to conquer us.
00:01:49.900The alt-right has no guilt for being born of conquerors, rulers, explorers, inventors, innovators, philosophers, and academics.
00:01:58.320Men and women who have created Western civilization.
00:02:01.520The civilization which races from all around the world covet and now want to run to.
00:02:06.140When we say Western values, we mean white European values.
00:02:10.360When we say leftists, that also includes Jewish elites and Jewish interest groups actively working against European nationalism, which they fear will lead to a holocaust.
00:02:21.400We acknowledge that there are groups actively working to enforce anti-white genocidal policies and cultural degeneracy as a means to subjugate Europeans.
00:02:30.540When we say race, we mean accepting the reality of racial differences, living in accordance with nature, exposing the lie of egalitarianism that says we're all the same.
00:02:41.540We reject globalism seeking to make us all the same.
00:02:45.240We reject capitalism, which is used to erode borders and make us mindless consumers buying poison we don't need.
00:02:52.420Jewish capitalism isn't the local free markets of national socialists.
00:02:56.360We fight against warmongers and foreign interventionist policies as we want sovereign nations, not globalist rule.
00:03:04.560And we are against an Israel-first America.
00:03:07.720We believe identity, culture, and race are intertwined.
00:03:11.080And forcing a multiracial, multicultural society will never work as it goes against nature.
00:04:11.820But I didn't think that Fascination was ever going to.
00:04:15.200Well, I was excited about starting it, but didn't think that it was going to get to the point that it has in where Jazz Hands McFeels is such a ridiculous pseudonym that I feel like.
00:05:54.200I want to ask, what did you think of Hillary's episode at the 9-11 ceremony, you know, where she appeared to go unconscious and the guards were dragging her into the van?
00:06:02.960What did you make of that when you saw that?
00:06:04.460My initial reaction was this is it because all week prior I had been kind of in some various Facebook groups like shitlib Facebook groups trolling leftists with trolling them by saying, how can you feel invested in a candidate like Hillary Clinton when literally anything could happen with her at any time?
00:06:28.380Like at least we can control Trump's mannerisms.
00:06:31.080He can have consultants kind of guiding him on what to do.
00:06:33.800But Hillary Clinton just could show up at the debate stage and collapse on the floor and, like, that's it.
00:06:39.900Like you have all, like, with so much riding on this election, like, how can you, you know, how can you feel good about this just to black pill them and make them feel bad?
00:07:10.640It was inspired because there was a lot of – this is, like, somewhat uncharted political territory here.
00:07:17.220And so a lot of people were like, what happens Sunday night?
00:07:19.940And so I wrote an article on fascination.com.
00:07:23.840It was also on TRS as well about all of the possibilities.
00:07:27.660And really, each party makes its own rules.
00:07:31.900The RNC, if this happened to Trump, the RNC, they would have to reconvene the entire Republican National Convention, which was originally what I thought the Democrats would have to do as well.
00:08:20.160And a lot of people, you know, the popular conception, at least in our circles, is that some sort of deal was brokered back in 2008 where he would be the automatic pick for VP with Hillary.
00:08:36.300And there may be, you know, the party politics.
00:09:12.940Well, I grew up in a very white area of the United States on the East Coast.
00:09:19.320And it was a community that was majority white, well over majority white, like 95 percent white.
00:09:27.040And, you know, the usual kind of conventional wisdom there is like typically people that grow in those areas don't have contact with diversity.
00:09:34.640And they are they are someone who is, you know, less likely to understand kind of these issues.
00:09:42.640But I grew up in a household in an area that was kind of pretty cognizant of these things.
00:09:49.700So this is this is just this is a situation where I kind of was aware of a lot of this stuff.
00:09:58.740And then I got involved in politics when I was probably about 11 or 12 years old, was volunteering on a campaign, working with family and whatever, just a local race.
00:10:07.680And I just got involved with right wing politics, majority of the time was the GOP.
00:10:14.140And so I came into things like having an awareness of, you know, the different races and racial differences and also Jews as well.
00:10:25.220We were we were aware aware of those and what they what they were all about.
00:10:29.040And just, you know, you don't want to you just want to be wary of dealing with these people in business was kind of like the extent of my understanding.
00:10:36.520But as I got more involved in politics and ended up in Washington, D.C., I realized that, like, you can't talk about racial differences or how certain people behave in these circles and the higher up in the circles you go, the less that you can talk about these things in pleasant company.
00:10:56.680And it was just it was just, you know, I felt kind of betrayed after working so hard to help these guys win the elections in 2010 historical election and 2012 and 2014 and then do absolutely nothing for it.
00:11:16.940And, you know, kind of one day, Halberstram, who's a longtime friend in real life of mine, you know, pointed me in the direction of the right stuff.
00:11:28.380But I had already been kind of, you know, very interested in like Pat Buchanan and libertarianism.
00:11:34.620And I was never really like fully involved with fully engaged with the GOP platform.
00:11:40.380It's just like the only place that I felt like I fit in because the Democrats were always so paused.
00:11:49.200But, yeah, that's pretty much how I got to where I am now.
00:11:51.700Well, thinking of alt-right content websites, there's a core group people usually find.
00:11:55.960But what ones did you discover first that opened your eyes to white identity politics?
00:12:00.340Well, I was aware of American Renaissance kind of long before that day that Halberstram said, you got to go check out the right stuff.
00:12:07.700So I had been to Amren, but that was really about the extent of it.
00:12:13.460Like, I remember maybe six or seven years ago, somebody had mentioned Roosh and the Manosphere.
00:12:21.940And I read one of Roosh's books and I was like, this stuff all seems like kind of common sense.
00:12:27.540I don't really see what I have to gain here from this guy.
00:12:30.600And I kind of just set it aside and never thought twice about the Manosphere again as being like anything that I needed to like be involved with.
00:12:37.900But I guess I got close enough where if I had gotten into those circles a little bit more, I probably would have bumped into the alt-right as it were five or six years ago, which would have been not nearly as big as it's grown today.
00:12:54.360You know, usually when things get into the mainstream, you know, the media just has a way of making things suck.
00:13:00.200You know, they water things down, they make it cheesy, they take it in a different direction.
00:13:04.980I know there's pros and cons, and I think that we should get into this on the alt-right going mainstream.
00:13:10.680What have been some of your thoughts seeing some of the press about the movement?
00:13:15.440Well, I think it was only a matter of time before we were noticed.
00:13:20.560I mean, you know, some of the trolling activities of which there have been many epic battles in the meme war that have been, you know, pretty exciting.
00:13:30.860Those gain us attention and notoriety, you know, especially the echo meme and some of these other things.
00:13:40.720I mean, you know, I'm sure National Review was well aware when Trump really became popular in the race that they had a comment section problem, to put it lightly.
00:13:51.700But I mean, it's hard for these, you know, and Twitter has long been known, like whenever I'm talking to like normal people that are not part of the alt-right, people will make comments about how difficult it is to operate on Twitter because anything you say and they're referring to, like, they might as well just say, if I cuck, then I'm going to, you know, I run the risk of being under a lot of scrutiny from people tweeting Holocaust denial memes at me and things like that.
00:14:19.760I mean, people are aware of this, and so it was only a matter of time before I think the media started to look at what is the alt-right, what is this all about.
00:14:30.500And I think just speaking as someone who has come from kind of inside the beltway and have spent a lot of time in these GOP circles, I think there's always this, there's always been this intense need to reject being called racist.
00:14:49.760But on the other side of that is the media wanting to find tangible racist elements within the right wing, and they view the alt-right as part of the GOP.
00:15:03.500And they want to point those things out.
00:15:05.900And so they want, I think their goal here is to breathe enough oxygen into the alt-right so that they can have a new scapegoat.
00:15:14.540And that's why you have the Washington Post saying half of Trump supporters are racist.
00:15:18.580You have Hillary Clinton calling us basket of, we're in a basket of deplorables.
00:15:23.600And we know that from the start, I think we all have to recognize that no matter what we say, whether it's a centrist position, whether we try to seem presentable or more respectable or whatever, you're going to be called a Nazi and a racist.
00:15:41.040And no matter what you say or do, and we know that even if you're on the total other end of the spectrum, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are also racists and Nazis at the end of the day when they're opposed to any leftist ideology.
00:15:56.400So I think it's great, the exposure, but we are in the very early stages of growing here.
00:16:06.400And yeah, it's like the ratio of fair articles to just ridiculous wow, just wow, pearl clutching is like one to ten.
00:16:15.320You'll see like one pretty fair article written and then about nine of these just wow, just wow articles.
00:16:22.280Exactly. And when you're in the media, of course, you know, truth matters.
00:16:25.600So you want to point some of these things out.
00:16:27.260And I know in your show you were talking about alt-right versus alt-light.
00:16:30.760And I want to get into some of that a little bit.
00:16:32.900But earlier this year, it was, you know, Milo released a piece on the alt-right and then the media just kind of propped him up as this queen, as he says, for the alt-right.
00:16:41.020And he's become kind of like a pop star poster boy of Western values.
00:16:45.600And I noticed there's this whole kind of cult of personality built around him.
00:17:50.020You could do a whole analysis on Milo or Milo.
00:17:54.600Anybody who is out there attempting to try to define what we are could be doing so because they genuinely want people to know what we or they themselves, the person speaking, represents.
00:18:06.720But you have to take into account that Milo was sitting, I think that was the CNBC Power Lunch interview.
00:18:54.320But I think, I think he's afraid to say we are, you know, we're not supremacists, but we believe that whites should have their own identity, that we should be able to advocate on our own behalf and do so without shame.
00:19:07.140I think he's afraid to go on CNBC and say that.
00:19:11.520Again, I don't know, really know what he thinks, but I think there's, I don't like punching to the right.
00:19:16.880But at the same time, it's, it's a struggle because he has potentially how, maybe a million, I don't know how many followers he had before his Twitter account was shut down.
00:19:29.980And the point is, is that then you have people saying that they're alt-right and really their definition of the alt-right, which is not necessarily a bad thing in total, taken at face value, is that, you know, that I've seen the alt-right defined as people who are just tired of the GOP.
00:19:49.280Well, I'm, I'm more than just tired with the GOP.
00:19:52.380I don't even consider myself a Republican.
00:19:54.240Um, but I'm a Republican in the sense that I'm going to support Donald Trump, but back to Milo, um, you know, it's, you have these people kind of getting involved and misrepresenting, I guess, what the alt-right is.
00:20:07.320So at the end of the day is I'm going to stick to my principles.
00:20:10.640I'm going to stick to what I believe in.
00:20:12.620I think Lawrence Murray has kind of outlined that pretty well in those seven tenets that I kind of outlined.
00:20:18.100And those are kind of things that it's like, if you don't agree with these things or, or you, or you think the opposite of these things, we're, we're going to have a problem.
00:20:27.880Um, and you're not, you can't, it's not appropriate for you to represent yourself as alt-right.
00:20:32.380But at the same time, if you're encouraging people to come, come in like the sales cone, you, you pick people up at different points along the journey, then, uh, you know, then it might be beneficial.
00:20:45.300It just has to be, I think, managed in an intelligent way.
00:20:48.760And it can't just be kind of haphazard and, and all over the place.
00:20:53.100And it seems like that's kind of what stage we're in right now.
00:20:55.880I think, I think constructive criticism is good.
00:20:57.540I also don't believe in punching to the right, but I also don't think cultural libertarians really view themselves to the right.
00:21:03.380I mean, they don't like identity politics at all.
00:21:07.460I mean, for me, when I hear a clip like this, I just think, okay, well, truth matters.
00:21:11.280And, you know, I've been using this term and we've been working hard here at Red Ice.
00:21:14.800We've been spending a lot of our time interviewing some of the best and some of the originators of alt-right thought.
00:21:20.300And so I feel it's, you know, out of respect for all those people who have worked so hard to clarify that and call it out when something is being misdirected or redefined in a term that's appropriate for more, you know, a libertarian crowd.
00:21:34.060So it's not really attacking him or punching, but just kind of, hey, you know, you know that sometimes the media or possibly, you know, he works for Breitbart.
00:21:43.880Breitbart, you know, is tied in with lots of powerful Jewish organizations.
00:21:49.480So there are other interests, right, that work against us.
00:21:52.640And we know that there's a lot of Jewish groups who their interest is to stop nationalism because they think that nationalism is going to lead to a Holocaust.
00:22:00.680I mean, they're the paranoid conspiracy theorists about it.
00:22:02.960So I do keep my eyes open for those possible things because we know there are people who like to control the narrative and play two sides.
00:22:11.080But Lana, Jews are never going to want to subvert the alt-right.
00:22:16.060They're not going to want to come in and try to meddle in our affairs and screw up what we've become very successful at doing.
00:22:23.860And by the way, the more successful we become, the bigger these kinds of problems.
00:22:28.380I'm sure you're aware these problems get bigger and more subversion occurs.
00:22:33.580Because, you know, if you told me a year ago that you would have the Democratic candidate for president, Hillary Clinton, giving a primetime speech about what we were – our political kind of point of view that didn't really exist in the way that it did a year ago.
00:22:53.040I mean, it's just amazing how far we've come.
00:22:57.900Yeah, and I think there's been so much work done.
00:22:59.760And I think some people say, well, maybe we need to water down the message, but I don't know if we're going to be successful by watering it down because that's compromise.
00:23:07.780And we're in a place where we can't compromise because this is survival.
00:25:09.620And then sometimes, you know, people say, well, there's a tactical advantage to having people who aren't on our page say that they're alt-right.
00:25:26.460I don't think that it is an advantage at all because I think – look.
00:25:34.860When I was a – when I was still a basic bitch GOP guy, and I'm sure this is true for a lot of the people that were libertarian because I was kind of one foot in both camps.
00:25:46.720I was always searching for something better, searching for something more ultimately, you know, this quest for truth.
00:25:54.560And if, you know, the red pill is in and of itself a quest for truth, you are always finding new red pills.
00:26:02.300You're finding – learning more things, doing more things.
00:26:05.180It makes no sense whatsoever to have things be called something and then mean something else because, you know, what if you're dragging, you know, 10,000 people in the direction of cultural libertarianism because they hear about this thing called the alt-right?
00:26:25.240And at the same time, alt-right is a nice vehicle for getting us somewhere, but I'm not necessarily attached to that name either.
00:26:35.420I'm kind of okay with letting it go and maintaining what I believe in and being like, well, you know, you can make cultural libertarianism all about the alt-right if you want, but that's not –
00:26:46.780that's not – you know, I think people will eventually filter down to what really the truth is.
00:26:53.180And, you know, as you know, that's what the red pill is all about.
00:26:57.300There's no going back once you go down that route.
00:26:59.060Of course. And, of course, I know we can always reinvent ourselves and what we're on this mission – I mean, we're on fire.
00:27:05.660It's not going to be stopped no matter what they do, you know.
00:27:08.080So – and we just have to have a backbone and claim and own what's ours, I think, what we've collectively created in behalf of white people because we want this to ultimately lead to political influence.
00:27:18.160And I see the alt-right being the start of that, but then you see all these other interests kind of jumping in there.
00:27:23.480How can we use this? How can we dampen this out? How can we water this out?
00:27:26.560You know how it is, of course. I mean, there's thousands of organizations that work against white people.
00:27:32.340This is all they do is sit around and conspire how they can stop the rise of nationalism and right-wing.
00:27:37.780I mean, there's, like, billions of dollars of think tanks going into that.
00:27:41.460So, of course, they're going to be eyeing the alt-right, right?
00:27:44.460Yeah, and that's one big aspect of it.
00:27:48.160I would also be concerned about, you know, there's also seeking e-celebrity and, you know, kind of getting one whiff of attention from major media people and getting excited about that.
00:28:01.340And I think most of the time we're handling the media attention and the media contacts really, really well.
00:28:07.140But I think there's, you know, this is a movement with really no leadership, which up until now has been pretty good.
00:28:19.120We're all kind of doing what we do best, and that has worked out really well.
00:28:23.440But I think there's not just people from the outside looking to subvert, but because there's a vacuum, you have people from the outside also looking to kind of usurp what is here and try to either make it into something that it isn't or try to come in and take advantage of something that, you know, look at all the different aspects of it.
00:28:49.140People could think of it as a place for fundraising, people could think of it as a place to grow a constituency group for an election.
00:28:56.480I mean, we're big enough now where they're going to start marketing to us.
00:29:00.960And, you know, for the most part, we're resistant to marketing.
00:29:03.720I think it's important that we view ourselves as it's up to us to shift the window.
00:29:11.160It's up to us to make things acceptable.
00:29:12.800We don't need to use anyone else who's out there who might have some celebrity or who might be led on to mainstream.
00:29:20.540And then certainly thinking in terms of Jews, how many Jews have helped white interests ever?
00:29:27.080It's like we have to really worry about this ourselves and take it upon ourselves to be the new media and to set the trends and to set the direction a different flow and not look to someone else who's kind of already in there to do it for us.
00:29:44.840I thought the point of this was to build our own institutions that were ours, that we can, excuse me, that we control and that we exert 100 percent influence over, not to kind of dilute what we're saying so that we're acceptable.
00:30:02.360Like, look, I would rather do fashion the nation for five years or 10 years and gain one listener per year.
00:30:10.600Of course, our growth rate is not that flat, but I would rather do that for five or 10 years than compromise on 50 percent of my beliefs in order to have a show on Sirius XM.
00:30:25.300Yeah, I it's like I would not be able to wake up in the morning on a Saturday and be excited about doing my show if I had to temper everything that I'm saying because some guy in the office upstairs paying me my my shekels is it will be upset if I say something to offend any number of these groups.
00:30:45.580So I I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.
00:31:05.440You know, it's just we want to look to them to the past.
00:31:09.020And I think that we should create our own thing.
00:31:10.820And that gives us even more power instead of sometimes I see some of these and I get what some people are doing when they want to get some words out there.
00:31:18.220But it seems like everything just gets twisted in the end.
00:31:20.520Anytime people do interviews, you know, I know James Edwards has just stopped doing it all together for that purpose.
00:31:29.420Yeah, it's it's unfortunate that that this goes on.
00:31:32.240But this is this is the reality that we're in.
00:31:34.720So do you think if people become civic nationalists first, why people that that could possibly lead into kind of thinking in terms of ethno nationalism, if they're first they're thinking Western values, could they potentially move on to think about race?
00:31:49.940I think civic nationalism is is a is a nice it's a step in the right direction.
00:31:54.820I think that is, you know, all of these things should be thought of as transitional phases.
00:32:01.260It's not a place where you would want to encourage or push people to land.
00:32:09.420I you want people to kind of keep going in being pushed.
00:32:14.760So if you push them a little bit further to the right and then the next person they come into contact with or the next website or the next show they hear or whatever pushes them even further to the right.
00:32:23.540Then I think that's I think that's a there's some merit to doing that.
00:32:28.520But I I wouldn't say I would advocate that I'm I would support a civic nationalist politician because I know that a white nationalist politician is probably not going to be able to get elected in ninety nine percent of the communities around us.
00:32:45.260But if we get enough civic nationalists selected, then maybe we can start getting white nationalists selected in ten percent of the communities.
00:32:52.900I mean, it's just it's kind of just a, you know, a slow, steady march.
00:32:57.480But we you know, I think at the end of the day, we all have to kind of believe we're headed in the same direction.
00:33:03.180And our destiny is kind of inextricably linked to one another.
00:33:07.480And I think that will engender kind of more and more people waking up to to being to not feeling shame for standing up for being a white person.
00:33:17.740Yeah, I noticed that there's so many in the center and on the right to they oppose identity politics, but then they support it for, let's say, Jews or gays or non-whites.
00:33:27.360It just can't seem to see that double standard.
00:33:29.880And I think if we could break through that and get all those people to to actually feel OK with having some white interests, maybe that could be a bigger demographic to tap into.
00:33:39.520But my question is always, how do we reach those people?
00:34:14.220But a lot of them are worried about, you know, that with the immigration stuff, because they start seeing people that don't look like them popping up in their in their home state.
00:34:23.500And I think those people, because they like Trump, they like their job, but they also like their country and they see the Democratic Party kind of abandoning America, like this burger Americanism that a lot of the white working class people have.
00:34:40.020I think they start to see their jobs were at stake.
00:34:45.460Now they're like neighborhoods and what they have been comfortable with all their lives is at stake.
00:34:51.600And the only conclusion that they can come to is because it's not other white people that are doing that to them.
00:34:57.300It's the immigrants that are being led into the country.
00:34:59.720And there's one group that's allowing them to come in.
00:35:03.300And there's another group saying we want to keep these people out.
00:35:05.660And I think just at a very basic level, that's enough to get people ahead three steps toward our position.
00:35:12.640And then you move them a little bit further.
00:35:15.520Crime and stuff is another thing that kind of helps people along the way.
00:35:27.440But, you know, we've been thinking about this lately.
00:35:29.640Does there need to be kind of like a JQ for dummies, something that like really proves what we're talking about?
00:35:37.660Yeah, it's, you know, Halversham says this a lot.
00:35:40.320It's like, yo, bro, you're just not allowed to notice this stuff.
00:35:44.020We just need to start pointing it out.
00:35:46.600I mean, just like the media, like, you know, if you sit and watch cable television for any length of time, you're going to and you keep a tally.
00:35:52.820You're going to see half a dozen commercials showing like black and white couples.
00:35:56.780And this is just something that you notice because you see it in it.
00:36:00.740And then you go out in public and you're conditioned to this being OK.
00:36:03.900We have to kind of be starting to do the reverse where it's like you're just, you know, lightly red pilling people.
00:36:10.860I mean, just in casual conversation when somebody says, isn't it odd that such and such and such?
00:36:15.640You can say, you know, certain things like, you know, isn't it odd that, you know, half of the Republican Party donors are high dollar donors or Jews?
00:36:24.420Like, does that does that does that seem strange to you at all?
00:36:28.240I mean, just kind of forcing people to notice these things that they may not otherwise pay attention to, I think, just breaks the conditioning over time.
00:36:37.880Yeah, I think one of the big areas is the Jewish interest groups.
00:36:50.260But then they're pushing, you know, diversity in white countries.
00:36:54.120I think that we should be hammering some of these things and detailing some of them more so that we prove we have to prove that they're also paranoid about another Holocaust happening.
00:37:02.820Right. So they're they have to stop nationalism.
00:37:05.160If you watch defamation, if you watch some of their documentaries, they they tell you that, you know, they're always paranoid about the rise of fascists or Nazis around the corner.
00:37:13.560So we have to turn around on them that they're actually the paranoid conspiracy theorists that are worried about Shoah in any moment, you know.
00:37:24.240And yeah, I mean, you look at any of these groups, we're looking at the Club for Growth.
00:37:28.120And you look at who, who the, you know, the chairman of that group is, but he's also a board member of the American Enterprise Institute.
00:37:35.680And then you just start drawing all these connections.
00:37:38.260And it's like, you're not supposed to notice this stuff, but it's like the same, you know, it's the same panel of people that are in charge kind of of running everything with the Republican Party.
00:37:48.600I mean, Bill Kristol, when you look at all the panels and groups and senior fellowships and stuff that he has, it's like these people all you could fill a room with about two or three hundred of them.
00:37:57.900And they're all part of this, what would seem to be a gigantic conservative apparatus, when in reality, it's just it's not.
00:38:05.120It's just them controlling and pulling all the levers.
00:38:08.640And they are very frustrated at what's going on right now.
00:38:12.480And we should relish in the the destruction of the Republican Party if he doesn't win.
00:38:17.060And so I think I think that'll be a lot of people are going to be starting to figure that out.
00:38:23.480Another way you can point this stuff out is like, hey, this guy who's been a decided Republican or conservative all this time, like Jonah Goldberg, why is he so in support of Hillary Clinton?
00:38:34.360I thought Hillary Clinton was supposed to be like this really bad, evil, nasty person.
00:38:40.740Why are these other people like Bill Kristol seeming to do the same thing?
00:38:43.960In fact, and then you just start pointing out all the same people are doing the same thing to a basic kind of entry level political person.
00:38:51.380I mean, this is pretty, pretty effective, I think.
00:38:53.780Well, it seems like, you know, some of these questions have been popping up in the media, though, haven't they?
00:38:58.500Some things have kind of leaked through in some of these alt-right interviews where, you know, they're the interviewers are always most concerned about the alt-right's view on the Jews, aren't they?
00:39:31.800They're going to do that no matter what.
00:39:33.100Unless you're out there proclaiming that our greatest ally should receive at least $100 billion in federal funding every year, ma-Israel, then you are an anti-Semite in their eyes.
00:40:02.640Well, they've – when you look at what the Jews have done, they have been very successful at achieving an ethno-state, an national identity, and really, they've done it really well.
00:40:14.120And they stay over here, and they control everything else over here.
00:40:17.420So where do you think the alt-right is going to be going from here?
00:40:20.400It feels like we're going through changes.
00:40:21.700Like you said, a lot of people are coming on board.
00:40:40.140I think if Hillary Clinton wins, we're going to see a significant trend in the direction of globalism and the shuttening that was starting to occur before Trump and a little bit when Trump was in the primaries.
00:40:59.000And you're going to see – excuse me, you're going to see a lot of that occurring.
00:41:02.880And it's not going to be pretty, but at the same time, you're going to see the people that are becoming aware of what's going on around them and waking up to this increase exponentially.
00:41:13.320With Trump, I think we're going to have kind of free reign over a lot of these things.
00:41:19.460You're going to see a very – the media is going to become extremely hostile, more hostile than they ever were under George W. Bush.
00:41:26.560But at the same time, the media has lost a lot of its leverage.
00:41:31.600And I think there's a nice gap in there that can be filled.
00:41:35.580People aren't going to traditional media sources as often as they are anymore.
00:41:39.740Yes, those places are pumping Facebook and Twitter and a lot of other places and so that wherever people go, those places are going to try to find a way to follow.
00:41:49.360But I think we need to be elbowing our way in because people who are waking up and frustrated with what they're seeing on Facebook and frustrated with what they're seeing everywhere else, they want a place to land.
00:42:03.060And whenever somebody says, hey, I just listened to Fashion Nation for the first time or I – my parents listened to Fashion Nation or I just showed this to my girlfriend or whatever, I'm kind of glad that they got in at the ground floor.
00:42:17.980You know, like they got in, they're going to start listening and maybe start picking things up and hearing more things.
00:42:29.120We have a bunch of, you know, FTN recommends on our website.
00:42:34.740And so if someone finds Fashion Nation in this sea of degeneracy that we're all floating around in, then they can bump into a bunch of other things.
00:42:44.440And we don't want them to come bump into us and then just kind of either maybe not like it or get discouraged or whatever.
00:42:51.760We want people to find everything that there is because we were all in the beginning kind of on that quest for the truth.
00:42:58.960And, you know, I want to help people along their way as much as I can.
00:43:41.000And I think, you know, where whites are most discouraged, that's where we need to be,
00:43:46.000where people feel like they're most kind of being left aside and out in the cold.
00:43:51.160And for the most part, a lot of those people are refugees, as it were, from the Democratic Party.
00:43:59.140I saw an article today that whites and Christians are leaving the Democratic Party in droves.
00:44:06.760And I think some of the – most of those people are, you know, people that were Democrats when the Democratic Party was more conservative than the Republicans.
00:44:14.400And I think a lot of those people might be willing to entertain some of the things that we are talking about because we kind of steer clear of all the annoying, like, basic bitch GOP issues.
00:44:29.360We kind of stick to the meat and potatoes, which I think is a good plan.
00:44:32.900Yeah, I think that's when it could be good to really hammer out what alt-right is really interested in, right?
00:44:38.740We're fed up with anti-white politics.
00:45:29.160We're right-wing, but I think a lot of the – not all the – what is right-wing today and what does that mean?
00:45:35.220You know, to some people it means ma Israel and trillion-dollar wars, but that's not what it means to me.
00:45:41.280It seems, too, that all this shock value is kind of leaving, right?
00:45:47.520I mean, there's most of – basically the only sacred cows that were left was to, you know, crack Jew jokes and talk about Holocaust revisionism.
00:45:54.900But it seems like all this is really getting out there now, isn't it?
00:45:57.720It's like, hmm, is there anything that's going to be shocking to talk about anymore?
00:46:05.400People are always talking about, like, the conspiracy theories that pop up and some of them, you know, that Hillary Clinton has a body double or whatever.
00:46:13.720I think some people are dabbling in that.
00:46:16.920But, yeah, I think it's great that some of these things that were off-limits are now – you can just bring them up.
00:46:26.520I think that's – you know, it's – you can just talk about that with anyone now.
00:46:31.180And before it was like, you know, you just want to be like, we need responsible immigration reform.
00:46:37.340And that's what you would say if you didn't want to sound like a racist.
00:46:39.580Now it's like, build a wall to port them all.
00:46:40.880So I think it's great because if these things are not off-limits, then it just opens the conversation up with people who may otherwise have been shut off from it.
00:46:49.540The other thing is, too, I think that's important in our movement is to never denounce extremists that are on our side.
00:46:56.600I think that we shouldn't pick on those people.
00:47:13.400You don't see Obama coming out or Hillary publicly shaming people, Bernie supporters, or even some of their more extreme left-wing elements.
00:47:23.360I mean you don't – you just don't see that.
00:47:25.560They try to get those people in line the best they can.
00:47:28.420But, you know, the – look at the – I mean you could do an entire show on this.
00:47:33.760Like look at how successful the most left-wing elements of the Democratic Party have been at pulling Hillary Clinton, who is really a neocon in a pantsuit who likes high taxes, to the left.
00:47:44.560I mean they have been successful in their own right at doing that.
00:47:47.640And one of the reasons is because they're not dumping on their own, you know, left-wing, far left-wing people.
00:48:10.980I mean is Pepe still going to be cool after he's been in the news so much or is his charm wearing off now?
00:48:15.980Yeah, I think if – I think if it gets – the only way you could ruin Pepe and praise, you know, praise beyond Keck on high to make sure that this never happens.
00:48:27.100But all it would take is just a one cuck-servative or whatever to start appropriating these memes.
00:48:37.620But I think if, you know, the left or some cucks or, you know, some kind of, I don't know, mainstream marketing company started using Pepe and trying to make it something else, I think we would probably just abandon it because the meme's dead.
00:48:55.900Yeah, that might be happening, but I think new ones will always arise.
00:49:29.560It's got Angry Pepe on it with the red screen background.
00:49:32.200And that was perfectly acceptable to, like, wear out to the grocery store to walking around my community.
00:49:40.560Like, never thought twice because it's just Pepe the frog from all the memes.
00:49:44.260And now, like, when I put on that sweatshirt, I think to myself, like – because now colder weather is coming.
00:49:49.340I'm thinking to myself, it's like, is this, like, just totally a white nationalist symbol now?
00:49:55.140Like, will people just see this and think that that's exactly what – I mean, it really has become totally associated with the alt-right, which I think is great.
00:50:04.040But it's just funny, like, in 12 months that I've owned that article of clothing, like, how the dynamic has completely shifted.
00:50:25.140So, you know, white nationalism, that's – it turns people off when you say that.
00:50:28.500And a lot of non-whites, they seem to think that it means that we're going to get into power and round them all up and gas them or ship them back to Africa or something.
00:50:39.400So when you say white nationalism, being an American, what does that mean to you?
00:50:45.140Well, to me, at a very – at the very least, it means that we should be able to advocate on our own behalf and for our own interests.
00:50:54.320And to stop the interests of others from prevailing over ours.
00:51:00.760And I don't think we're going to have that unless we are separated.
00:51:06.860And I think that should be the eventual goal.
00:51:10.960I think white nationalism will eventually – I hope – I don't want to blackpill people.
00:51:16.940But I really – my sincerest hope is that Donald Trump can turn things around.
00:51:22.720My fear is that he's just going to slow things down.
00:51:25.700And he's not a white nationalist, by the way.
00:52:11.620Yeah, I think the other thing is, too, if we can instill – I've said this many times – a healthy white identity, then naturally people will want to separate.
00:52:20.380So then it doesn't even matter if by law it doesn't happen.
00:52:23.580They'll just instinctively – it will follow.
00:52:26.600It's almost like a vaccine to diversity.
00:52:30.500Therefore, their body follows and wants to just be around white people.
00:52:33.780Yeah, just imagine, like, the exodus from, like, a state like Texas that would occur if Texas seceded and said, you know, we're not going to follow any of this SJW or bullshit that's been going on in the United States.
00:52:48.520I mean, I'm sure a lot of people couldn't afford to leave, but I'm sure there would be a lot of people that would – you know, a lot of brown people that would leave Texas.
00:52:57.000And I think if you got a few places that became predominantly 95%, 99% white, you know, minorities are going to want to go where other minorities are for the most part.
00:53:09.560And then maybe if you have a few kind of white areas that maybe those places might want to come together.
00:53:16.740I'm not saying that secession has to mean that we all – all whites have to live in, you know, separate places.
00:53:22.100I think they could eventually come back together, you know, like Europe may have to split apart before it came back together again.
00:53:29.640That's kind of the point that I'm making, so.
00:53:33.020I know no fun is good and joking is good, but we also have a lot of work to do.
00:53:37.580It's very serious, so we do have to get down to how are we going to make this happen, right?
00:53:42.420Maybe we're not going to see things in our lifetime, but maybe it'll be our kids or our grandkids, but we have to do a lot of the hard work right now, don't we?