Radio 3Fourteen - Connecting With My Ancestors _ Finding Racial Identity Cured My Depression

00:00:00.000 Good day to you. I'm Lana. You're watching 314. This video interview is also available

00:00:19.880 in audio format from our archives at redice.tv. My guest is Gorgo, and she's going to talk

00:00:25.800 about how the alt-right cured her depression. Don't miss this talk from Down Under next.

00:00:30.780 Gorgo, identitarian Australian YouTuber, welcome to the show.

00:00:35.300 Thanks for having me, Lana.

00:00:36.820 That's nice to connect with you. So how did you get into the alt-right nationalist movement

00:00:42.840 to begin with?

00:00:44.580 Well, for me, the gateway was feminism. So I started to have some doubts about feminism, 0.99

00:00:51.520 and I came across some videos on YouTube, particularly by Milo, who I'm sure most of

00:00:57.980 you are aware of. I have mixed feelings about him now, but anyway, he was a good gateway.

00:01:03.460 And from there, I just started to find videos by Red Ice, Richard Spencer, and from there,

00:01:10.660 I just came to find the alt-right and I identified with them.

00:01:14.860 Nice. And what about your upbringing? What kind of home did you grow up in?

00:01:18.500 Well, I grew up in a very Christian upbringing. I actually, for a while, went to Bible college

00:01:28.260 to study to become a minister. So I have a very, I guess, very strong conservative background

00:01:34.500 in general. But of course, during that time, I actually lost my faith and got stuck in an

00:01:42.400 abusive relationship. And things took a pretty terrible turn from there. Yeah.

00:01:48.640 Now, were you ever pulled into liberalism? I know a lot of people in the alt-right at one time,

00:01:54.220 they were sucked in by a lot of these things. A lot of women have been sucked into feminism without 1.00

00:01:58.240 realizing it. How about you?

00:02:01.600 Definitely. Well, after I left that relationship, and I actually ended up going to film school.

00:02:09.620 And so, of course, as a lot of us know, the whole arts education scene is extremely left-wing.

00:02:18.160 And I think from there, I started to get exposed to ideas of feminism. And from there, I became

00:02:25.840 quite left-wing. I was never totally down the rabbit hole. I was never insane. But I did become

00:02:34.260 quite a strong and proud feminist at that time. Yeah. 1.00

00:02:40.520 That's great. So looking back, are you like, oh my gosh, I was such an idiot. 1.00

00:02:45.880 Yeah. I see that for me, it was really setting myself up for failure because I was struggling 0.99

00:02:54.000 with a severe depression at the time. And that went on for about 10 years. And I see now looking

00:03:00.560 back that whole left-wing way of thinking, and particularly feminism, was keeping me trapped 1.00

00:03:07.380 in this idea that I was a victim. And it gave me a way to constantly put the blame on other people

00:03:15.060 for things that have gone on in my life. And I had come from an abusive relationship. So feminism 1.00

00:03:20.720 allowed me to be angry at men. It indulged that part of me. And so it really stunted my ability to

00:03:30.360 overcome and become happy again.

00:03:33.020 That's right. You've done a video on how becoming conservative, basically, and not

00:03:37.480 cuck-servative, or conservative, basically how it saved you from your depression. So

00:03:42.880 you weren't depressed before, right? When you were kind of more conservative or going the Christian 0.98

00:03:48.940 route. It was kind of after you went into liberalism and feminism, correct? So what was the cause of

00:03:55.220 your depression there?

00:03:57.180 Well, it's quite complicated in the sense that I do know that there is a genetic aspect to mental

00:04:06.860 illness and depression. And I do think that there were some traumatic things that happened in my life.

00:04:13.040 And perhaps in my upbringing, because there was some mental illness in my family, I wasn't shown

00:04:18.400 the correct way to cope in life. And then from there, I think just there's something very,

00:04:29.260 there's something about feminism and left-wing ideologies that just kind of, it's like a breeding 1.00

00:04:36.400 ground for mental illness. And I'm sure a lot of us will know that there is a lot of mentally ill 0.99

00:04:42.040 people in the left-wing. And I think it kept me as a victim. And then what probably made it even worse 0.95

00:04:51.220 was I, I started, I actually did stand-up comedy for a few years.

00:04:56.020 Oh, wow.

00:04:56.640 And I, I'm not, I'm trying to picture that.

00:05:02.660 It was, it's a very, it's a very left-wing scene. If you think arts education's left-wing,

00:05:09.040 the comedy scene, particularly in Australia is just extremely left-wing. And I'm sure that there

00:05:16.280 are actually a lot of people from the scene who are involved in Antifa. And that kind of just made

00:05:23.000 it even worse for me. And particularly with a lot of comedians, they really indulge that kind of

00:05:29.780 self-deprecating sense of humour. And so for someone like me with depression, that was kind of celebrated

00:05:36.840 that I was this perpetual victim and stuck in this mindset.

00:05:40.720 It's funny how even in the comedians, they think they're so edgy and daring, but you know,

00:05:44.820 they won't make fun of certain things that would get them called a white supremacist or a Nazi,

00:05:48.900 or we can't, we can't laugh about that, right?

00:05:52.000 Exactly. They are, they don't mind making fun of Christians, but Muslims are off the table. 1.00

00:05:57.400 They are a protected minority in Australia.

00:06:00.080 Yeah. I want to ask you that. Millennials, they're extremely nihilistic. We're seeing that

00:06:06.340 everywhere. A lot of these young kids, they feel everything is meaningless and hopeless. What do

00:06:11.380 you think is the cause of that in the millennial generation?

00:06:15.960 Well, I think that a large part of what's going on is that we have abandoned traditional values.

00:06:25.100 And so from my experience, what I identify as traditional values is embracing your ethnic

00:06:33.060 identity. Our ancestors did not have a problem with doing this. They were very proud of their

00:06:37.640 ancestry, their history, their culture. They were proud of who they are. And also an embracing of

00:06:44.500 family, which I see as the key to all of this is to embrace family and having children and embracing

00:06:52.340 gender roles. So what I find interesting is a lot of people forget that things are traditional

00:06:59.500 because they have been tried and tested and they have been proven to work.

00:07:04.060 That's right.

00:07:04.420 And so I find that what's happened is as people have abandoned the wheel, like it's already been

00:07:14.500 invented. Our ancestors have shown us what at this stage we believe to be the most effective way to

00:07:21.040 live your life. And when you abandon that and essentially tell people, you have to reinvent

00:07:26.980 the wheel on your own in your short lifespan of, if you're lucky, 80 to 90 years, I think that's

00:07:33.520 a horrible pressure to put on yourself. And so people are left with the sense of they have to redefine

00:07:41.500 why they should even bother getting up in the morning. And so I think when people go to their

00:07:48.660 jobs that they might hate, they don't have this sense of I'm going because when I go to my job,

00:07:55.060 it helps me to provide for my family. And when they lie awake in bed at night and they're plagued

00:08:02.140 with this sense of what does this all mean or what's the purpose of even being alive? They don't

00:08:07.680 have a sufficient answer because they've been told that traditional values and ideas are stuffy and old

00:08:12.880 and will make you miserable. But it's actually the opposite, I think.

00:08:16.540 Yeah, I've actually heard people say, well, that's an old way of thinking. Thinking about

00:08:21.000 family units and tribes and nations is ancient knowledge and it's classic and it's not going

00:08:27.500 to be going away anytime soon. A lot of these lefties actually think that they can destroy 0.99

00:08:32.040 those things, these ancient old concepts. Exactly. Nature put them there for a reason. We have those

00:08:38.360 instincts and drives for a reason. It's been tried and proven and it works and it's what makes us

00:08:44.140 happy as a people, makes us more unified. Exactly. Yeah, I agree.

00:08:49.160 So what's really the solution to remedy their pain, these millennials that are feeling nihilistic?

00:08:55.100 How do we even go about reaching them and teaching them some of these things?

00:09:00.020 Well, from my experience, it's basically, it's talking about these issues. I think

00:09:06.100 I've spoken to some people who describe themselves as left-wing and they watched that particular video

00:09:13.260 about how becoming conservative saved me. And they've said to me, you know what, you said a lot

00:09:20.060 of things that I never thought about. So for a lot of these people, they've just never thought about it.

00:09:25.060 They've never heard these things framed in that way. And so I think what is really helpful is kind

00:09:33.660 of normalising it and just being a living example of those ideas. So people who knew me, for example,

00:09:41.200 before my change, they knew how much I was struggling in my life. And so for me to be able to say,

00:09:48.520 this has really helped me, this has given me a reason to get up in the morning, it means something

00:09:56.900 to people. And I think that when you're trying to reach people, most people are driven by feelings.

00:10:04.800 Even people who say that they're driven by statistics, you kind of need to first emotionally

00:10:11.540 get to that point where you're open to hearing the ideas. And so I think making an emotional and

00:10:17.160 honest connection with people and saying to them, you know, are you happy? Are there things that

00:10:23.080 kind of plague your mind? You know, when you're lying awake at night in bed, do you have questions?

00:10:29.280 Do you have doubts about the meaning of life? And just having a real honest conversation,

00:10:36.420 because I have total faith in what I believe, and I have total faith that it works for the majority

00:10:43.860 of people. And I think in having that faith, I don't mind having an honest conversation about

00:10:50.180 about these ideas with people. Yeah, something I've heard from quite a few people that once they

00:10:55.660 found the alt-right, reconnected with tribe and traditionalism and the ways of our ancestors,

00:11:01.500 that it was actually more of a spiritual experience for them that they felt fulfilled on even deeper

00:11:07.180 levels. Which brings me, do you want to comment on that? Yeah. Oh man, sorry. It's just that it's so

00:11:15.380 true. I almost feel like a born again Christian in what I have found. And I don't know if people

00:11:24.880 necessarily understand how incredibly powerful the message of the alt-right is. It's not just about

00:11:33.960 some of the, you know, highlighting the negative sides of society and, you know, all of that kind

00:11:40.280 of thing. This is a way for people to find happiness again, and particularly for white people who for a

00:11:48.780 long time have a sense of guilt about who they are. And I'll tell you, the amount of times I talk to

00:11:56.080 people who, when they describe their background, and these are white people, they describe it as basically

00:12:02.780 nothing. They think that being of British descent or Scandinavian descent is basically nothing. So

00:12:11.800 these are people who have been, in a sense, emotionally abused. They don't even think

00:12:17.320 who they are is anything of value. And that's just absolutely disgusting. So when you give people 0.93

00:12:26.340 the freedom and the permission to be excited about their ancestry and their history,

00:12:33.920 it's hard to describe to someone how powerful that is. So for someone like me, for example,

00:12:40.520 I'm the kind of person that really struggled to find my identity. I couldn't figure out where I fit in

00:12:48.520 everything. And once I discovered the alt-right, I found my place in everything. And I started to

00:12:55.320 have a sense of pride about who I am and where I come from. And that was incredibly healing. And it's

00:13:01.700 probably the most positive aspect of the alt-right, I think.

00:13:07.240 It's true. And the other thing is people, once they connect with other people who talk and think

00:13:11.860 like this, fellow alt-righters, they have meaningful relationships and meaningful friendships. And

00:13:17.060 for so long, I know a lot of white girls in particular have struggled with that. A lot of

00:13:21.880 relationships have become superficial. I hear from men who feel that they actually have a tribe and a

00:13:26.100 brotherhood again, and women that feel like they actually have good female friends that they can

00:13:30.240 actually talk to. It's a sense of family and a sense of community, something that we actually

00:13:35.620 haven't had in our hyper-individualistic societies, right? Absolutely. I've met some wonderful people

00:13:43.740 recently. And it's just, it's so amazing to feel part of a tribe in the sense of how our ancestors

00:13:53.420 would have felt. It's no longer a sense of needing to have even religion to bring you together with

00:14:01.380 people. It's my blood that brings me together with people. And I don't know, I'm just, I'm so

00:14:08.120 excited about that. And whenever I start to feel a little bit down, I just think about, holy crap, 0.73

00:14:14.620 I am a mosaic of all my ancestors. I'm a mosaic of lifetimes lived. Like how trippy is that? And then

00:14:24.000 connecting with other white people and being able to share in this experience, it just, it just,

00:14:29.980 it gives life flavor again, you know? Yeah, it's true. Stephen McNallan, I don't know if you're

00:14:35.020 familiar with him. He's written some great books. He's going to be doing some videos for us, but he

00:14:39.240 talks about this concept too. Yeah, we're all those that have gone before, which is pretty amazing if

00:14:44.280 we can learn to tap into that. It's like all those people before are in your blood, in your cells, in

00:14:49.800 your DNA, and that's quite amazing, I think. It's insane, yeah. Now, do you think on the flip side that

00:14:55.800 there's people that are clinging to egalitarianism as a religion in order to find some kind of

00:15:01.600 fulfillment and some meaning in our nihilistic kind of white society? Yeah, I find egalitarianism 0.67

00:15:10.240 is kind of like feminism with a little bit less of the junk, you know? It's a little bit less 1.00

00:15:17.440 harmful, but it still really indulges this idea that there is such a thing as all people being

00:15:27.280 equal and the genders being totally equal. And I find that it's a delusion and it stops people from

00:15:36.160 accepting some of the realities in life. Like, I am not equal to a man and in ways men are not equal to

00:15:45.380 me. And I think once people accept that, it's actually so freeing. So, for example, I work,

00:15:54.520 I don't have the luxury of being able to stay at home yet, and I get so tired and I kind of hate

00:16:02.600 the environment, to be honest, of working. And I realize that hormonally, I'm not even really built

00:16:10.460 for this kind of lifestyle. I'm not really built to go to work and be competitive. And so, these kind

00:16:17.180 of, this whole bizarre idea of us being equal and basically the same, it really keeps you in a prison.

00:16:25.220 So, it's not even helpful to people, to be honest. I think I would much rather just be free to be a

00:16:31.980 woman and just accept that there are things that I am biologically just not built to do,

00:16:37.440 and that's totally fine. Yeah, I think that's why a lot of these feminists are just miserable and 1.00

00:16:41.840 depressed or trying to act like men, have sex like men, work like men, and exactly. We're not built 0.99

00:16:47.240 that way mentally, emotionally, in so many ways. We're not built to just be workhorses and always

00:16:53.900 be in those environments and always be intellectual. We're more emotional. We need more beauty. We need

00:16:59.640 things that actually make us feel good, right? Exactly. I know, I think also, for me, coming to

00:17:07.480 terms with being okay to do things like a woman. In the alt-right, for example, there's a lot of men

00:17:17.180 in the movement. And it's very tempting for someone who has a message and wants to communicate and connect

00:17:23.700 with people. You see the men doing it, and you almost attempted to model what they do. But I

00:17:30.900 always have to remind myself that I'm not a man, and I don't need to do things the way men do. And 0.68

00:17:38.580 it's possibly not even effective for me to do that. So it's actually been a learning process for me to

00:17:45.540 say that I don't need to be like, I guess an example would be Millennial Woes or Richard Spencer.

00:17:52.980 I don't need to be those people. I just need to be me as a woman.

00:17:58.080 That's right. You have to do what feels natural. And if you're going into areas where you're starting

00:18:02.860 to feel miserable, or something doesn't feel right, or it's exhausting, or it's making you down,

00:18:07.720 you probably need to step off and kind of rethink your approach. That's kind of what I do anyway.

00:18:11.660 And I know sometimes if I'm into political topics way too much and don't do the little things that

00:18:17.840 women like to do or tend to things that are around home and things aren't organized right, I feel out 1.00

00:18:23.320 of, you know, cattywampus and I don't feel happy in that place. Exactly. Yeah, it's been, I think,

00:18:31.120 you're a great example for a lot of women. I know that when I watch women like you and either, 1.00

00:18:36.700 and I mean, sorry, trying to think what her name is, Tara McCarthy, I think that's the name.

00:18:43.840 Yes, Tara. I see you guys, or you women, I should say, and I'm really inspired by the way that you

00:18:53.740 both communicate the message. And it's so wonderfully womanly. And that's really inspiring for me.

00:19:01.640 Yeah. And just how guys need their man talk and their man cave, women need the equivalent of that. 1.00

00:19:07.320 And that's something that I'm seeing happening in the alt-right. I'm talking to lots of women. I get 0.90

00:19:12.240 lots of messages from women. There's meetup groups around. Women need to talk about being a woman. 1.00

00:19:17.260 They need to talk about how to hold a baby when you're breastfeeding. I mean, women need that place 1.00

00:19:22.260 and they need friends that are talking like we do, that they can relate to, that they can be themselves

00:19:27.420 with and be open and honest and not have to worry about being called a racist or a white supremacist

00:19:32.560 or a Nazi. We need, we need those little environments, you know, we, it's good. Exactly. 0.73

00:19:37.080 Girls need their girlfriends. It's very important. There's certain things you can't talk to with

00:19:41.340 your husband and just like guys need their guy friends, you know? Yeah. And the thing that I've

00:19:46.640 actually noticed recently is I find that part of the power of being a woman in this movement is I find

00:19:54.100 that a lot of women are very sensitive to, I hate to use this word, but I can't think of another

00:20:01.260 word, the energy in a movement. We're very good at picking up the kind of, yeah, the energy that we

00:20:08.980 put forward. And I find that quite interesting. So for example, I will feel things in the movement

00:20:15.580 that I think are not very attractive to people on the outside. So if there's like a strong focus on

00:20:23.320 negative things, I, I get a sense of that. And I, I don't know, I think that's something that women 1.00

00:20:29.460 are very good at. We're very intuitive to different things like energy in the movement.

00:20:35.720 It's true. Guys can be around negative things. They can look at negative topics and take it on

00:20:41.500 because they're, they're a warrior. They're masculine. This is what they're built to do. Women, 1.00

00:20:45.520 we can't be around too much negativity. We receive everything. We're intuitive. We,

00:20:50.440 we carry a lot. So it becomes too much. We, we get so emotional. Um, so, so with that, I'm,

00:20:57.580 I'm curious, uh, looking from the outside in as a woman to offer some constructive criticism, 0.96

00:21:03.680 what are both, you know, constructive criticism and good input that you have for the alt-right as

00:21:08.820 a movement where it's at right now? So with the movement, I think what people need to really

00:21:15.740 understand is that people are attracted to a movement that promises a better way of living

00:21:23.940 and promises to them a greater sense of purpose and progress, safety and, and happiness. And so

00:21:32.120 really becoming, I guess, a physical example of those things will attract more people into the

00:21:40.340 movement. And particularly with people who are very new to these ideas, don't focus too much on

00:21:48.900 the negative aspects. So, you know, things like perhaps mass immigration, all those kinds of trigger 0.97

00:21:55.300 points for a lot of people focus on the idea of being able to feel good about who you are and talk

00:22:02.800 about how you're, you're, you're basically a mosaic of all your ancestors and all this life,

00:22:09.060 these lifetimes that have been lived, focus on the really good things that make people feel good about

00:22:16.480 themselves. And another thing is to just also just be a normal human being. I, I noticed there are some

00:22:25.700 people in the alt-right who, who don't mind just calling black people the n-word just in normal

00:22:34.020 conversation. And I think to someone on the outside, like if your whole purpose is to help people to

00:22:43.160 become empathetic to what you're saying and your ideas, when you say things like the n-word, it really

00:22:49.840 puts people off unnecessarily. So I really think that people need to just reconnect with why would

00:22:59.040 you join the alt-right? What is the purpose of this whole thing? It has to come from a place of

00:23:05.160 love. It has to come from a place of people need to feel like you actually care about them. And if we

00:23:12.360 focus only on anger, people don't get that sense that, that you actually care about them. And this is

00:23:17.920 something that I constantly have to work on in myself. Like I have to look at people, white people 1.00

00:23:24.700 and say to myself, do I actually care about this person and, and their wellbeing? And if I don't,

00:23:32.520 I need to work on myself. I need to make sure I'm doing this for the right reasons. And then,

00:23:37.920 and then come back to that person because people, people know when you care and, and they'll respond

00:23:44.160 much more positively. That's right. We have to be, you have to be kind and you have to be thoughtful

00:23:49.780 and you have to be diplomatic. You can't come out like a steel fist. You can't come out too preachy.

00:23:55.940 You can't come out too harsh. You know, there's some people who've been into it for a long time,

00:23:59.840 for five years. So they're like way deep down there. And we forget that the new people coming

00:24:04.940 in, they need the one-on-one stuff. So you're here screaming about something that's really complex,

00:24:09.360 like, you know, master degree level into this. And there's someone who's like at preschool level.

00:24:15.400 Yeah. You have to take it back to the basics. You have to be soft. You have to be gentle. And also

00:24:20.540 as far as, you know, having crass language and whatnot. Exactly. I mean, you have to have some

00:24:24.840 class, some finesse and some thoughts you just harbor privately, or you talk about those things at home.

00:24:30.960 You don't have to think all your private thoughts out loud, but that's what a lot of young people do now

00:24:35.280 with social media. And also the other thing is we, we have the liberating experience for white 0.64

00:24:41.100 people. We have that. Liberals don't have that anymore. They're all about, they're there. It's

00:24:45.040 a whole other religion. All these things you can't do, all these things you can't say. Whereas we want

00:24:49.240 to liberate them from any feelings of guilt. And we can, we offer that experience where they can be

00:24:55.700 totally free of those things. Exactly. It's what we have to offer is incredible. It is amazing.

00:25:03.840 It's almost foolproof. I mean, who doesn't want to feel proud of who they are? And, and so I'm very

00:25:11.080 excited about, about this message because I know, as I mentioned before, I had clinical depression for

00:25:19.460 about 10 years and I was in such a state. And for me to now be able to say that I'm medication free,

00:25:27.060 that I'm happy that I am a, a normal functioning member of society because of this movement. And

00:25:35.480 there are probably so many white people out there who are just dying for something like this. They're

00:25:41.100 desperate. Like I was desperate for something. And I just think that we need to, yeah, be so proud of

00:25:47.060 what we have to offer and go forth with that. It's true. Unconsciously white people have been victims 0.82

00:25:52.540 of abuse. We're the true victims. Young kids from a young age, they have to hear about the Holocaust

00:25:57.460 and slavery and how evil your ancestors were. That's going to affect you on unconscious levels.

00:26:03.120 Every psychologist knows that it's, so there's a level of deprogramming that's there. I mean,

00:26:08.040 we're guilted right away from a young age these days by these Marxist teachers. The other thing is,

00:26:14.280 yeah, we have to remind people what our culture is. What is our ancient civilization like? What did our

00:26:20.480 ancestors venerate? What is our art? What is worth preserving about Western civilization? Because

00:26:26.860 all we hear about is, oh, colonialism and slavery and Nazis. And so we need to be able to remind them

00:26:33.080 what it is so that they even have the urge to save it. Because at this point, some people,

00:26:37.040 they don't even know. They're not taught these things. They don't research. Their parents don't

00:26:40.980 tell them these things. So they just think, eh, what is white culture anyway, right?

00:26:46.060 Yeah, I know I was one of those people for a long time. I have to say that part of my journey,

00:26:54.820 I can thank my fiancé, who was, he has been involved in the white nationalist movement,

00:27:02.540 kind of on and off for a number of years. And even before I came to these ideas myself,

00:27:09.300 he was very supportive and he was teaching me things. I was one of those people who would say,

00:27:15.680 my background is basically nothing. And I've learned so much over this time. And

00:27:23.020 you think people know about those issues? Like, you think people know about how white people

00:27:30.560 essentially build the modern world? But they don't know that. They honestly, a lot of them don't know

00:27:35.800 that. And they're in complete denial about these things. And it just, it boggles my mind how I know in

00:27:43.620 Australia, in our schools, particularly history, we don't really hear about a lot of these things.

00:27:51.240 We don't hear about the wonderful things that we did. We hear about the aboriginals and what we did 1.00

00:27:56.620 to the aboriginals. And that's basically your history education right there.

00:28:02.900 Yeah. Oh, geez. So you guys grow up with that. And then what about slavery? Do you guys have to

00:28:08.200 hear about that all the time? What else are you probing? Yeah, we do. And you hear about the

00:28:11.920 Holocaust, I'm sure, in Australia too, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we hear about that. And

00:28:17.240 it's just such a strong, it's so stuck in the white psyche, the Holocaust, everything we do is, 0.74

00:28:26.820 in a sense, about avoiding being compared to Hitler or the Nazis. It's so strong in who we are. And

00:28:34.460 it's just, it's just caused so much damage. And it's just trying to repair that image. And I have to

00:28:41.960 make a lot of effort to let people know that I'm not a Nazi, to kind of just get those barriers down,

00:28:51.280 because people won't even, they won't even open their ears if they get a sense that you are

00:28:57.060 somewhat sympathetic to Hitler or the Nazis. Yeah, that's when you have to ask them, well,

00:29:02.260 can you tell me what the policies of national socialism are? Because actually, there's a lot

00:29:08.240 of things there that lefties wouldn't actually really like. I know, yeah, I've tried to have

00:29:14.380 that conversation with them, and they just flip out. Now, also, you brought up the term white

00:29:20.600 nationalist, which is a newer term, you know, in my husband and I always talk about this in Europe,

00:29:25.220 you don't say that, you know, it's more in the colonies, they said that, because in Europe,

00:29:28.060 you're just a Swedish nationalist or a German nationalist, because Europe is white, and it should be white. 0.75

00:29:32.500 And we didn't say that in America either, because before 1965, this was almost entirely a white 0.85

00:29:37.780 country. So this is a newer term, but it's really been muddied up, you know, because of stereotypes

00:29:43.500 and movies, we've had feds in the movement, like actually creating, yeah, yeah, they're like creating 1.00

00:29:51.240 some of these groups and creating these bad images. And now, is it like that in Australia? Is it a

00:29:58.040 dirty word? Do people talk about that the same white nationalism? Yeah, well, there, there are people

00:30:04.880 who think that I am genuinely a Nazi. And they, when I tell them that I'm an ethno-nationalist,

00:30:13.040 white nationalist, alt-right, they, they automatically just have these negative assumptions,

00:30:19.740 they think that I'm a white supremacist. And there's so much, so much work to be done talking

00:30:26.080 with these people and kind of deconstructing what it is exactly that they think I believe.

00:30:31.740 And so I have to make a lot of effort to say things like, I don't hate other races, which I

00:30:38.780 genuinely don't. I don't hate them, but I love my people more. And I don't think that there's

00:30:46.200 anything wrong with it. I think basically every, every other race is the same. We all favor our own.

00:30:53.520 And I don't think that that's bad. And I always make sure to let people know that part of the reason

00:31:00.880 why I like the idea of ethno-nationalism is because you're allowing every, every ethnicity to have their

00:31:09.280 own space and their own self-determination of what happens to them and their people. And when you, when you look

00:31:17.000 at people, black people, for example, live, living in white countries, and one common thing you will hear is

00:31:22.580 they might say, when I was a kid, I wish I had white skin. And I thought, what, what a, what a shame, what a damn 0.99

00:31:30.480 shame. If that, if they were in a place where they were surrounded by their own people and not having to share a 0.96

00:31:37.760 space with us and compete with us, they wouldn't be having this sense of inadequacy. And it's almost

00:31:44.340 like multiculturalism is making people feel so inadequate with who they are. And I think that 0.99

00:31:51.140 that's just totally wrong. Yeah. People are uprooting and going to these other cultures where 0.99

00:31:55.880 they have nothing in common with, and then they kind of, they kind of go cuckoo. Yeah. And then the

00:32:00.160 other thing we keep hearing too, about how awful it is to be a minority, the plight of, you know, 0.89

00:32:05.260 this group or gays or blacks or aboriginals or Jews. And then white people are supposed to rejoice 0.88

00:32:11.000 becoming a minority. You know, it's like, nobody wants to be a minority. Being a minority sucks. So 0.98

00:32:17.060 we actually offer the solution here. You can, each group has their own country. So it's nothing but

00:32:21.920 them on TV, nothing but them in the magazines, nothing but them in the government. Problem solved

00:32:27.140 really, right? But then they say, oh, but then there's going to be conflict. There will be nations

00:32:31.420 fighting. And it's like, uh, look at all the conflict we have now. It's way worse. We're

00:32:35.220 having terrorism like we've never had in Europe before. Europe has essentially been very peaceful

00:32:41.320 for a long time now. Yeah. It's, it really boggles my mind. And even, I know in Australia at the

00:32:50.460 moment, there's talk of having segregated Muslim, um, communities now. And it's like, you have to,

00:32:58.860 it's almost like they're trying to make ethno nationalism, uh, within Australia. And it's

00:33:05.700 like, I, I get it. You want to be surrounded by your own people. You want to feel safe and accepted

00:33:12.240 and not have, have to look over your shoulder all the time. I want that too. A white, white people want

00:33:18.720 the exact same thing. And it, it, it, it just, it drives me nuts at how it's almost, it's obvious to 0.96

00:33:26.460 people that we operate better when we are in a homogenous society, we operate better, but they're

00:33:33.820 kind of forcing themselves to live in this delusion and it, it doesn't work. The other thing is when

00:33:39.800 we're talking to a lot of these Normies, like you were talking about earlier, and they, they always 0.86

00:33:44.120 say supremacist, you have to stay on them, really stay on them, not letting these things slide. Okay.

00:33:49.800 Define supremacist. What do you mean by supremacist? Because there's different versions flying

00:33:54.520 around. Some people think it's white people lording over all these non-whites and, you know, 0.89

00:33:59.100 with, with a whip and telling them what to do. That's the visual. Some people have all these 0.98

00:34:02.340 Hollywood slave driver movies, but then to others, when you actually ask, it simply just means white

00:34:08.180 people being a majority in their own countries. I mean, that's pretty crazy. And I always say to people 1.00

00:34:15.720 that, and as far as white supremacy, I don't think that white people are necessarily the best 0.72

00:34:24.500 to everything. I mean, one thing, for example, is we're not great at giving birth to children. 0.72

00:34:32.860 Our birth rates are declining. We've really neglected the numbers side of our own people.

00:34:38.960 There are other groups of people who are much more successful at this. So I don't even think it is

00:34:45.640 factual that white people are in every aspect of existence and life supreme. It's just not true

00:34:54.280 anymore. I mean, I do acknowledge that we built the modern world, but that doesn't mean that in

00:34:59.360 every single area of life that we are the best. And I'm quite comfortable saying that. And I think

00:35:05.600 when I acknowledge that with people, they kind of don't really know where to go. Like, oh, wow. Okay.

00:35:10.760 So she's not really a white supremacist. Oh, I don't know where to go from here.

00:35:14.740 Well, the thing is whites right now are in a really sad state. That's another thing that the alt-right sees.

00:35:19.740 It's like, it's been very dysgenic for a long time now and something needs to be done for the future

00:35:24.780 of the planet here, you know? I mean, look around. It's kind of sad when you see our own race, what

00:35:30.740 they're becoming. I know Australia has that in America. Unfit, slower, not so smart. There's not

00:35:37.400 a lot of really good looking people anymore. I mean, that kind of freaks me out, you know,

00:35:42.980 if it's just going to turn into this race of just short, fat, dumb blobs, you know? Like, 1.00

00:35:48.900 that's not what we want here. I know. Yeah. It's such a shame to me because

00:35:53.780 there was a time in history where you could look at the white race and think, 0.79

00:36:00.020 wow, look at them, look at everything they've achieved. My goodness. I think it was Richard

00:36:07.840 Spencer who said something like, it was only the European race that could put a man on the

00:36:14.360 moon. And there is something so aspirational and inspiring about the European race. And

00:36:23.020 we've lost touch with that. It's such a shame. And I think that this is part of why the alt-right

00:36:30.620 is so powerful is it helps people to reconnect with that. And I know for me, myself, I've felt

00:36:37.340 like I'm starting to take more pride in what I do. Like, I want to keep my house tidy,

00:36:44.820 things like that. I want to make sure that I'm dressed nicely. You know, I'm wanting to buy clothes

00:36:50.540 that I feel represent what I want to represent better. And there is something in being in the

00:36:58.460 alt-right movement that makes you want to be a better person and take better care of yourself.

00:37:03.180 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. What are some of the things that the alt-right movement offers?

00:37:07.240 Well, a lot of people are interested in health. They talk about good health and fitness. Like you

00:37:13.220 said, appearance, keeping the house nice, love, meaningful relationships, family, a sense of tribe.

00:37:22.040 What else do you think? I mean, that's a lot, but what else do you think that we have to offer there?

00:37:28.460 I think the most important thing is something to live for. My goodness, I'm just so excited to be a

00:37:38.380 part of this race. And I think for me, I mean, I think for a lot of millennials like myself,

00:37:47.580 as we've talked about before, we have this sense of, oh, I'm just, I'm going to die and then that's it.

00:37:54.480 But when I soon or eventually have children, there's a part of me inside someone else. And

00:38:05.240 so when I die, I live on in that sense. And so in that sense, there's immortality. And I think that

00:38:14.240 that is something that's really important to the human spirit. There is something in us that wants

00:38:21.260 to live forever. There is something in us that almost kind of wants to be like this godlike

00:38:26.820 character. And I think that creating a family is one of the only ways that most people can achieve

00:38:34.920 that. And so I would say that is probably one of the best things that the alt-right offers to people.

00:38:42.560 Absolutely. And the other thing is nowadays with the technology, there's so many cool things we can do

00:38:48.300 to messages we can record for our future great, great, great grandchildren. Things that couldn't

00:38:54.480 have been done a couple generations ago. I mean, that's pretty cool. Yeah. And we should all be

00:38:58.580 doing that recording, you know, a vlog, if you will. You know, well, these archives are going to be

00:39:03.220 good for our kids. But, you know, being able to pass that down so that, you know, they can hear what was

00:39:09.740 going on, get the true story, the true history, and leave important messages from them, things that you

00:39:15.980 really want them to hear. I think that that's a really cool idea. We should all be doing that.

00:39:20.300 Yeah, definitely.

00:39:22.140 So, you know, a lot of people, you're different. You woke up to these things, and it actually cured

00:39:27.040 your depression. But some people, they go through this process of, you know, that born-again

00:39:31.120 experience, like you're talking about. You know, they're like, get on fire, they wake up to these

00:39:34.540 things, and then they kind of hit a wall and get into depression because they feel, oh, it's all

00:39:40.500 hopeless. We can't, it's insurmountable. It's closing in on us. What advice would you offer

00:39:46.360 those people? Oh, well, firstly, I would acknowledge that it's okay to feel down sometimes. I mean,

00:39:54.740 I go through periods myself where I might have a day where I feel down. But in saying that,

00:40:01.640 giving up hope is a luxury that we can't afford anymore. We are in crisis mode. We need

00:40:10.060 everyone on board. We need to be strong. And this is part of how accessing your ancestry and

00:40:19.060 looking at that and looking at inspiring parts of your ancestry. This can inspire you to continue on.

00:40:26.520 We have to be strong. We have lived very comfortable lives because of the sacrifices that other people

00:40:33.740 have made for us. Now it's our turn. Hopefully, we won't need to cop as much

00:40:39.620 strife as our ancestors have. But there's no way around it. We need to pay a price. And

00:40:46.940 I just, I don't think that we can afford to give up hope. And I mean, what's the alternative? If we

00:40:52.800 give up hope, then what? There's, once you give up hope, then there is no hope. But if you hold on

00:41:00.140 to it, then there's at least always a chance that things can get better. And you may not even see it

00:41:06.100 in your lifetime. It could take future generations to see the results of you being strong. And I think

00:41:13.520 we have to be okay with that because for our ancestors, they had to be okay with that too.

00:41:19.320 Yeah, that's right. I'd rather die trying. Don't we all want to be welcomed into Valhalla? Well,

00:41:24.020 you have to do great ass to be able to go to Valhalla, folks. You can't just die with a whimper and just, 0.99

00:41:29.940 well, I didn't really try because I was afraid of losing my job or I was too tired or no, exactly.

00:41:36.260 Yeah, that's not who we are. Emergency situation here. And some people don't think that it's

00:41:40.860 bad enough, but it's only going to be getting worse from here on out. So we have to,

00:41:45.120 we have to muster up the strength. And I always say to you, if you have bad days,

00:41:49.320 if it feels just insurmountable and you feel depressed, we all have that. But that's when it's

00:41:54.300 good to have some friends that you can call up. Take breaks. You need to get away from the computer,

00:42:00.340 get away from some of that stuff, go outside, be in nature, spend time with your family. You need

00:42:06.300 to recharge. You need to take breaks. And when it starts becoming too much, and then you'll feel

00:42:11.300 fresh again, and it feels like a new day, and then you can be fighting some more. And that's what

00:42:16.180 soldiers do, right? They take time off from the battlefield and they have to come back.

00:42:21.140 Exactly. And I know for me that I've started to go outside more. I know it doesn't look like I go

00:42:27.980 outside a lot, probably. I love your white skin. It's very, very white. Thank you. It is very 1.00

00:42:33.080 white. I get some mean comments about that sometimes. Really? Yeah. And I like to say to 0.99

00:42:39.180 people, would you say to a black person, thank you, would you say to a black person, you're too black? 0.99

00:42:44.440 Of course not. You wouldn't be able to get away with that. And, you know, it's the same for white 1.00

00:42:49.280 people. But I will go on bushwalks and I will listen to, oh, there's a band I think called,

00:42:57.880 is it Ward Runa? Ward Runa, yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. I will listen to them and just,

00:43:04.520 oh, it's spiritual. It's a spiritual experience. And this is another aspect of getting in touch with

00:43:11.840 your ancestry and your ethnic identity is you start to, it becomes spiritual going outside and

00:43:20.620 being in a climate that is similar to what your homeland would be. There's something really

00:43:27.240 therapeutic about that. And I find that when I go on these walks, once I'm finished the walk,

00:43:35.180 I'm a different person because there is something about nature, the way that it can impact you and

00:43:41.080 kind of communicate with you. It's so deep in our bones. And I would encourage people,

00:43:47.800 go outside where there are lots of trees, lots of greenery, and just allow yourself to feel

00:43:55.240 the way your ancestors would have felt when they were outside in nature.

00:44:00.020 Yeah. And I've been in situations where you're with friends and there's a big bonfire. We're all

00:44:05.620 on the same page and we just take a minute to think about our ancestors. And that's a powerful

00:44:10.000 moment. And you do feel recharged when you're with the people, you know, you get some camaraderie,

00:44:16.040 some sisterhood, some brotherhood, and you build each other up, lift each other up. That's the

00:44:19.920 benefit of having tribe. And I think a lot of us have been isolated for way too long.

00:44:24.460 The other thing is, you know, me growing up in America, you in Australia, we've grown up in the

00:44:29.020 colonies. You know, the colonies are away from the motherland. So a lot of Europeans don't know how

00:44:33.600 good they have it, that some of these things are right in their backyard. They can walk where their

00:44:38.100 ancestors walked. They could go to these sacred sites. And I find that people in Europe, the

00:44:43.640 nationalist movement there is healthier because they're still pretty connected to their culture.

00:44:48.220 They still, you know, they haven't forgotten some of those things. Whereas us in the colonies,

00:44:52.360 I mean, geez, like I'm away from my mother tongue, the language that all my ancestors spoke,

00:44:59.220 you know, I'm far away, isolated. We don't have that same experience. So I almost look at Australia

00:45:04.760 and America and the people there, the white people are almost in worse shape because they've been away 0.94

00:45:09.600 from their motherland the longest. 0.98

00:45:12.360 Yeah. And I think once you become, I guess, aware of these issues and, you know, join the alt

00:45:20.420 rights as an Australian or an American, you start to get that sense. You think, so for example,

00:45:26.660 this land is extremely, Australia, for example, is extremely spiritual for the aboriginals. But

00:45:35.620 the European lands, they are very spiritual for me. And I've yet to go over there. I've yet to touch

00:45:43.820 the soil of my own people. And there's a part of me that really aches for that. And I mean,

00:45:51.020 I'm hoping to get to Europe later this year and get to breathe in that air that my ancestors breathed

00:45:59.460 in. It seems like it should be a birthright to have that experience. Yeah.

00:46:05.400 Yeah. We need to do some mecca trips for the colonies, you know, back to Europe, a yearly meetup,

00:46:11.260 you know, whatever. We can go camping, whatever. It doesn't have just to be there. Yeah. It's funny,

00:46:15.800 you brought up the aboriginals, you know, when I lived in Australia for a year, I came around that

00:46:20.780 too. All the white people that talk about the sacred aboriginals and their sacred land.

00:46:26.260 And white people don't view their own land as sacred and think that they don't have a mythology

00:46:32.280 and a spirituality. It drives me nuts. And whites are going to visit these aboriginals and they want 0.99

00:46:37.880 to go have a mystical experience with them. And it's just, it's annoying, isn't it?

00:46:42.820 It is. It's insane. We've been robbed. And this is how I feel like it's emotional abuse. Because if you

00:46:51.900 talk to people like the aboriginals, this is extremely important to them, this is their reason

00:46:57.660 for getting up in the morning is being in touch with their ancestors and their homeland. But for

00:47:04.100 white people, a lot of us haven't been given permission to have that experience. So we're really

00:47:10.660 quite a psychologically traumatized people, I think. Oh, yeah. It's very sad.

00:47:17.640 I wanted to ask you about the current state of Australia. What's going on there with mass

00:47:21.480 immigration, with Islamic immigration? What's the latest? 0.98

00:47:27.240 Well, it's nowhere near as bad as Europe. And it's not even as bad as the US. We are still

00:47:36.060 quite lucky. And yeah, the situation hasn't got that bad yet. But who knows what the future

00:47:46.140 holds? And I will say that we have one political party called One Nation. And that is basically

00:47:53.560 the most right-wing group we have. And it's got quite a strong nationalist front. And the

00:48:00.700 interest in that party, the support for that party is actually overtaking the interest in

00:48:07.500 our major left-wing party, which is the Greens. So nationalism is growing in Australia, as I'm sure

00:48:15.540 it is in Europe and the US. And we are, it's becoming a lot more, a lot more popular. People are

00:48:23.040 talking about it more. And yeah, as I mentioned before, there's talk now of Muslim communities

00:48:31.180 having segregated areas for them now. And this, of course, really goes against a lot of what

00:48:37.320 Australians believe. We believe, well, a lot of Australians believe that they should integrate

00:48:44.040 with us. Now, I have my own thoughts about that. But for Australians, the idea of having

00:48:49.840 segregated communities, it's just, it's so, it's so disgusting and against who we are. And 1.00

00:48:57.140 we kind of imported these people in the good faith that they would become a part of our country and

00:49:03.840 community. And of course, they don't want to. And why would they? They have their own culture.

00:49:08.060 They have their own way of being. And I think it's quite arrogant how a lot of the left-wing

00:49:13.300 think that people are just going to want to come here and just become Westerners. And that's, 0.88

00:49:19.780 of course, not how it is.

00:49:21.660 It's just that they're self-righteous and they're arrogant and they think they can make everyone

00:49:26.220 like them and everyone needs to think like them. And then the world's going to be a perfect place.

00:49:31.440 Meanwhile, you know, teenage girls are literally getting blown up at concerts. I mean,

00:49:36.560 that is literally happening.

00:49:39.560 Yeah, that really broke my heart. And I think a lot of us are feeling so betrayed by our leaders

00:49:49.060 and we are feeling, we feel like there's no hope. We feel like it's going to get worse. But

00:49:56.200 I do have hope. And I do think that even in my lifetime, things, the problem isn't fixed,

00:50:04.200 which it probably won't be. I do believe that what's happening is there's like a pruning.

00:50:10.220 And what's happening is in our race, the white race, we are going to lose the weak. And that's 1.00

00:50:18.300 just a process of nature. And we have to accept that and be okay with it, which is why we really

00:50:23.980 need to be strong. Because if you want to survive this, you have to be strong. And this is just a

00:50:29.720 process we need to go through. And by the end, only the strong will remain. And I believe that

00:50:35.740 there will be a future for us. And so yeah, I don't, I haven't lost hope.

00:50:41.340 That's right. It's a different kind of evolution. Now we're up against different kinds of pressures.

00:50:46.280 And the kind of person that's being forged right now, it's going to be very, very tough and lean and

00:50:53.020 mean, something to be reckoned with in the future. So we are in the process of creating that.

00:50:59.080 And it's going to be basically the generation, I think, of our children that are going to be 0.99

00:51:04.160 doing some great things, because a lot of the young kids now are waking up to these things

00:51:08.000 pretty fast. It's kind of cool hearing from some 17 and 18 year olds who listen to the show. I've

00:51:13.660 been seeing more of that. So that's exciting. That's good.

00:51:16.880 It is. It is exciting. The interest is growing. And I've heard someone say that if it wasn't for

00:51:23.180 multiculturalism, there wouldn't be nationalism. And so I do believe that as we see more and more

00:51:28.860 multiculturalism, you will only see an increase in nationalism for sure.

00:51:33.740 Well, I have to ask, you know, many guys, they feel it's hopeless and they're depressed because

00:51:38.780 they feel they can't find a woman who thinks like you. Any advice for those young guys? Or

00:51:44.380 some are older and they're still looking.

00:51:46.100 Well, I will draw from my own experience. So I've been with my fiancé for quite a while now.

00:51:55.280 And when he met me, I was not alt-right. I was quite left-wing. But this is where your own

00:52:03.820 intuition needs to come into play. So for me, I have always been very nurturing. And I think

00:52:11.540 my fiancé knew I wanted to have children before I even knew I wanted to have children because

00:52:17.200 my motherly nature was just so written all over me that I just, I can't live in denial.

00:52:25.140 And also looking at her character. So is she someone who wants to have a family? Is she someone who is

00:52:31.980 a supportive partner? Is she honest and loyal? Is she someone that you could see yourself growing

00:52:39.320 with? These are much more important in the beginning? Because what I have found is that

00:52:46.020 if you as a man, if you are an inspiring person, chances are she will come to believe what you

00:52:55.060 believe. And I just think that that's just a fact of life is that women in particular are heavily 0.99

00:53:02.700 influenced by their men. And when men are inspiring, like my fiancé, he's very hardworking.

00:53:11.100 He's stuck with me during my depression. He has just been absolutely incredible. I could not help

00:53:18.320 but take on what he believed. And so I think men need to have that approach is you may not find

00:53:24.340 an alt-right woman, but that doesn't mean that she wouldn't become alt-right in the future.

00:53:29.640 So just look out for those key character points of a good nature and a good character. And I think

00:53:36.680 the rest will come. That's true. And a lot of women, the majority of women, aren't extremely 1.00

00:53:43.000 political. You would think it if you watch the news and look at feminists that they push, but a lot of 1.00

00:53:48.600 women aren't that convinced. They may watch CNN, but they don't really comprehend what's happening 1.00

00:53:53.040 there or what's going on. And I know that just based on some of the girls I talk to that I interact

00:53:57.980 with out in the world running errands and, you know, you ask them questions and kind of test where

00:54:02.880 they're at, they don't really know a thing. So, I mean, a lot of them can be convinced you can show

00:54:08.460 them the light. And men do have the power of persuasion, especially if he behaves in an irresistible

00:54:14.280 way and then she just will step into line, right?

00:54:16.880 Yeah, exactly. And I mean, I'm even still, I'm politically aware, but I never try to sell myself

00:54:26.460 as this massive political commentator or anything like that. As some of you can probably tell,

00:54:33.820 I'm more interested in the emotional journey of this movement and people. And yeah, so you don't

00:54:40.940 need to have a woman who is completely on the ball or even like Lauren Southern, for example, 0.76

00:54:47.580 she's, you know, a rare case. Most women, they just, they want, they want to feel loved. They 0.99

00:54:53.280 want to feel safe and they want a family and they want to express themselves. And I think even, you

00:55:00.240 know, hormonally, we're more built that way and, and that's okay. That's fine.

00:55:05.460 And also the other thing is I've had a lot of guys write me and say, Hey, your show is red

00:55:09.800 pilled my girlfriend. Thanks for that. A lot. I've been doing a lot of shows with women lately 1.00

00:55:13.500 and it's great because a lot of the guys can share it with their girlfriends and their sisters

00:55:17.480 and their mothers. And that's another good thing, you know, just let them hear other girls talking 1.00

00:55:22.300 about it. So kind of, uh, there's a little deep programming and deprogramming from the norm and

00:55:28.020 get them to think a little different because what we're talking about is common sense. It's what

00:55:31.960 aligns with our femininity and our nature, and it will click on some level when they hear it.

00:55:36.640 They just have to hear it. For sure. I know I've had, I've had women reach 1.00

00:55:40.640 out to me, people who describe themselves as left-wing and, uh, yeah, there are a lot of

00:55:46.640 women that are very interested in these ideas. And I do think that actually talking about 1.00

00:55:51.620 feminism, I know we're all a little bit bored of it, but for a lot of people, it's a really 0.99

00:55:57.840 great gateway to debunk a lot of left-wing ideology with people. This is, this is, it's less

00:56:05.720 offensive to people unless they're of course, like super, super feminist, but for a lot 1.00

00:56:10.980 of women, they don't mind talking about these issues. It's a nice gateway. So I still think 0.93

00:56:16.460 there is value in talking about, about feminism with women. And then you can kind of, once

00:56:21.540 you've shown and exposed the hypocrisy and the lies, they have doubts about, well, what

00:56:27.520 else is the left-wing teaching that is wrong? And so it can be a really good way to get women 1.00

00:56:33.220 interested in talking about these ideas. It's true. And your average housewife who 0.79

00:56:36.920 says she's a feminist, when you ask her what that really means, she's like, well, you know, 1.00

00:56:41.000 women being equal. And I was like, well, can you name one place in the West, in white countries

00:56:45.920 where we're not equal? And then they, they can't do it. And then I say, well, you know, it was, uh,

00:56:50.760 thanks to, you know, our white, white culture and men that have propped us up. Our women have been

00:56:55.860 the first to go into space and to be billionaires and fly planes and drive cars. And it's our men who have

00:57:02.000 facilitated us. I mean, we're the ultimate privileged ones, you know, women in white,

00:57:07.320 white societies, absolutely up on a, on a pedestal. But yeah, it's true. It could be a gateway and take 1.00

00:57:12.820 them into other areas. That's a big topic. Well, last question for you. I know you're also passionate

00:57:17.920 about reaching normies. And I think that we've been talking about that, but since, you know,

00:57:21.520 you're, you're fairly new into these things and it's good to step back and remember where we all

00:57:27.100 came from and how we came here. So any advice for talking to newcomers or people you think are on

00:57:33.580 the fence that we can convert over into our side? Yeah. So I, I love normies and I, because I identify

00:57:42.560 with them, I was a normie myself. And so what we need to do is really have an honest human conversation

00:57:50.380 with these people, talk about the things they're worried about, talk about the things that keep them

00:57:55.560 up at night and make an emotional connection with people. Let them know that you care.

00:58:01.100 And then from there, you can start to have these conversations because if they know that you are

00:58:06.620 a decent person, they are less likely to be put off by what you're saying and they're going to be more

00:58:12.260 open. And remember that what you would, you, what you were selling to people is a better life,

00:58:18.360 a better way of feeling about themselves and the world. And if you focus on that first,

00:58:24.120 then you are much more likely to get a positive response because people at the end of the day,

00:58:29.440 at the end of the day, they just want to feel good. Yeah. And I think it was Philosophicat,

00:58:34.560 your friend who was also on my show, brought up a good point to, to, to listen. You just have to sit

00:58:40.300 there and listen so that they feel really heard. And, and I find a good approach is just to ask simple,

00:58:46.040 gentle questions back because the truth is on our side. We know what all those double standard,

00:58:50.380 double standards are. We know what the weak points are so we can just keep it really simple and just

00:58:54.960 question some of those weak points. And a lot of times you'll, you'll have people say, I don't have

00:58:59.720 an answer for that or good point, or I don't know. So we can't, we can't be intellectually lazy. We

00:59:07.140 can't let these people slide either. When you're in these conversations, you almost have to hold

00:59:11.100 people to it, you know, don't let them go until then. Exactly. Well, it's been great having you

00:59:17.140 here today. I've really enjoyed our conversation and let people know how they can find your YouTube

00:59:21.580 channel and your Twitter and everything else. Yes. So I'm on YouTube as Gorgo channel. I'm on

00:59:28.900 Twitter as Gorgo channel. And also I have a Facebook page, Gorgo channel, which I'm much more active on.

00:59:35.380 You're more likely to get in touch with me on my Facebook page or on my YouTube,

00:59:39.680 but I do use Twitter from time to time as well. All right. Well, we'll keep an eye on your YouTube

00:59:44.420 channel. Keep up the good work. Thank you. We'll have you back again sometime soon.

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Radio 3Fourteen - May 26, 2017

Connecting With My Ancestors _ Finding Racial Identity Cured My Depression

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