Connecting With My Ancestors _ Finding Racial Identity Cured My Depression
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Gorgo talks about how the Alt-Right Nationalist movement helped her overcome her depression and become a better version of herself. She also discusses how she became a better feminist and how she was able to overcome her own mental illness.
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Good day to you. I'm Lana. You're watching 314. This video interview is also available
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in audio format from our archives at redice.tv. My guest is Gorgo, and she's going to talk
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about how the alt-right cured her depression. Don't miss this talk from Down Under next.
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Gorgo, identitarian Australian YouTuber, welcome to the show.
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That's nice to connect with you. So how did you get into the alt-right nationalist movement
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Well, for me, the gateway was feminism. So I started to have some doubts about feminism,
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and I came across some videos on YouTube, particularly by Milo, who I'm sure most of
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you are aware of. I have mixed feelings about him now, but anyway, he was a good gateway.
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And from there, I just started to find videos by Red Ice, Richard Spencer, and from there,
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I just came to find the alt-right and I identified with them.
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Nice. And what about your upbringing? What kind of home did you grow up in?
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Well, I grew up in a very Christian upbringing. I actually, for a while, went to Bible college
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to study to become a minister. So I have a very, I guess, very strong conservative background
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in general. But of course, during that time, I actually lost my faith and got stuck in an
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abusive relationship. And things took a pretty terrible turn from there. Yeah.
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Now, were you ever pulled into liberalism? I know a lot of people in the alt-right at one time,
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they were sucked in by a lot of these things. A lot of women have been sucked into feminism without
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Definitely. Well, after I left that relationship, and I actually ended up going to film school.
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And so, of course, as a lot of us know, the whole arts education scene is extremely left-wing.
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And I think from there, I started to get exposed to ideas of feminism. And from there, I became
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quite left-wing. I was never totally down the rabbit hole. I was never insane. But I did become
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quite a strong and proud feminist at that time. Yeah.
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That's great. So looking back, are you like, oh my gosh, I was such an idiot.
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Yeah. I see that for me, it was really setting myself up for failure because I was struggling
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with a severe depression at the time. And that went on for about 10 years. And I see now looking
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back that whole left-wing way of thinking, and particularly feminism, was keeping me trapped
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in this idea that I was a victim. And it gave me a way to constantly put the blame on other people
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for things that have gone on in my life. And I had come from an abusive relationship. So feminism
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allowed me to be angry at men. It indulged that part of me. And so it really stunted my ability to
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That's right. You've done a video on how becoming conservative, basically, and not
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cuck-servative, or conservative, basically how it saved you from your depression. So
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you weren't depressed before, right? When you were kind of more conservative or going the Christian
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route. It was kind of after you went into liberalism and feminism, correct? So what was the cause of
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Well, it's quite complicated in the sense that I do know that there is a genetic aspect to mental
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illness and depression. And I do think that there were some traumatic things that happened in my life.
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And perhaps in my upbringing, because there was some mental illness in my family, I wasn't shown
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the correct way to cope in life. And then from there, I think just there's something very,
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there's something about feminism and left-wing ideologies that just kind of, it's like a breeding
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ground for mental illness. And I'm sure a lot of us will know that there is a lot of mentally ill
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people in the left-wing. And I think it kept me as a victim. And then what probably made it even worse
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was I, I started, I actually did stand-up comedy for a few years.
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It was, it's a very, it's a very left-wing scene. If you think arts education's left-wing,
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the comedy scene, particularly in Australia is just extremely left-wing. And I'm sure that there
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are actually a lot of people from the scene who are involved in Antifa. And that kind of just made
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it even worse for me. And particularly with a lot of comedians, they really indulge that kind of
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self-deprecating sense of humour. And so for someone like me with depression, that was kind of celebrated
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that I was this perpetual victim and stuck in this mindset.
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It's funny how even in the comedians, they think they're so edgy and daring, but you know,
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they won't make fun of certain things that would get them called a white supremacist or a Nazi,
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Exactly. They are, they don't mind making fun of Christians, but Muslims are off the table.
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Yeah. I want to ask you that. Millennials, they're extremely nihilistic. We're seeing that
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everywhere. A lot of these young kids, they feel everything is meaningless and hopeless. What do
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you think is the cause of that in the millennial generation?
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Well, I think that a large part of what's going on is that we have abandoned traditional values.
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And so from my experience, what I identify as traditional values is embracing your ethnic
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identity. Our ancestors did not have a problem with doing this. They were very proud of their
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ancestry, their history, their culture. They were proud of who they are. And also an embracing of
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family, which I see as the key to all of this is to embrace family and having children and embracing
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gender roles. So what I find interesting is a lot of people forget that things are traditional
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because they have been tried and tested and they have been proven to work.
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And so I find that what's happened is as people have abandoned the wheel, like it's already been
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invented. Our ancestors have shown us what at this stage we believe to be the most effective way to
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live your life. And when you abandon that and essentially tell people, you have to reinvent
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the wheel on your own in your short lifespan of, if you're lucky, 80 to 90 years, I think that's
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a horrible pressure to put on yourself. And so people are left with the sense of they have to redefine
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why they should even bother getting up in the morning. And so I think when people go to their
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jobs that they might hate, they don't have this sense of I'm going because when I go to my job,
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it helps me to provide for my family. And when they lie awake in bed at night and they're plagued
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with this sense of what does this all mean or what's the purpose of even being alive? They don't
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have a sufficient answer because they've been told that traditional values and ideas are stuffy and old
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and will make you miserable. But it's actually the opposite, I think.
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Yeah, I've actually heard people say, well, that's an old way of thinking. Thinking about
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family units and tribes and nations is ancient knowledge and it's classic and it's not going
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to be going away anytime soon. A lot of these lefties actually think that they can destroy
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those things, these ancient old concepts. Exactly. Nature put them there for a reason. We have those
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instincts and drives for a reason. It's been tried and proven and it works and it's what makes us
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happy as a people, makes us more unified. Exactly. Yeah, I agree.
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So what's really the solution to remedy their pain, these millennials that are feeling nihilistic?
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How do we even go about reaching them and teaching them some of these things?
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Well, from my experience, it's basically, it's talking about these issues. I think
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I've spoken to some people who describe themselves as left-wing and they watched that particular video
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about how becoming conservative saved me. And they've said to me, you know what, you said a lot
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of things that I never thought about. So for a lot of these people, they've just never thought about it.
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They've never heard these things framed in that way. And so I think what is really helpful is kind
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of normalising it and just being a living example of those ideas. So people who knew me, for example,
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before my change, they knew how much I was struggling in my life. And so for me to be able to say,
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this has really helped me, this has given me a reason to get up in the morning, it means something
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to people. And I think that when you're trying to reach people, most people are driven by feelings.
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Even people who say that they're driven by statistics, you kind of need to first emotionally
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get to that point where you're open to hearing the ideas. And so I think making an emotional and
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honest connection with people and saying to them, you know, are you happy? Are there things that
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kind of plague your mind? You know, when you're lying awake at night in bed, do you have questions?
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Do you have doubts about the meaning of life? And just having a real honest conversation,
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because I have total faith in what I believe, and I have total faith that it works for the majority
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of people. And I think in having that faith, I don't mind having an honest conversation about
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about these ideas with people. Yeah, something I've heard from quite a few people that once they
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found the alt-right, reconnected with tribe and traditionalism and the ways of our ancestors,
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that it was actually more of a spiritual experience for them that they felt fulfilled on even deeper
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levels. Which brings me, do you want to comment on that? Yeah. Oh man, sorry. It's just that it's so
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true. I almost feel like a born again Christian in what I have found. And I don't know if people
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necessarily understand how incredibly powerful the message of the alt-right is. It's not just about
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some of the, you know, highlighting the negative sides of society and, you know, all of that kind
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of thing. This is a way for people to find happiness again, and particularly for white people who for a
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long time have a sense of guilt about who they are. And I'll tell you, the amount of times I talk to
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people who, when they describe their background, and these are white people, they describe it as basically
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nothing. They think that being of British descent or Scandinavian descent is basically nothing. So
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these are people who have been, in a sense, emotionally abused. They don't even think
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who they are is anything of value. And that's just absolutely disgusting. So when you give people
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the freedom and the permission to be excited about their ancestry and their history,
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it's hard to describe to someone how powerful that is. So for someone like me, for example,
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I'm the kind of person that really struggled to find my identity. I couldn't figure out where I fit in
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everything. And once I discovered the alt-right, I found my place in everything. And I started to
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have a sense of pride about who I am and where I come from. And that was incredibly healing. And it's
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probably the most positive aspect of the alt-right, I think.
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It's true. And the other thing is people, once they connect with other people who talk and think
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like this, fellow alt-righters, they have meaningful relationships and meaningful friendships. And
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for so long, I know a lot of white girls in particular have struggled with that. A lot of
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relationships have become superficial. I hear from men who feel that they actually have a tribe and a
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brotherhood again, and women that feel like they actually have good female friends that they can
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actually talk to. It's a sense of family and a sense of community, something that we actually
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haven't had in our hyper-individualistic societies, right? Absolutely. I've met some wonderful people
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recently. And it's just, it's so amazing to feel part of a tribe in the sense of how our ancestors
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would have felt. It's no longer a sense of needing to have even religion to bring you together with
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people. It's my blood that brings me together with people. And I don't know, I'm just, I'm so
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excited about that. And whenever I start to feel a little bit down, I just think about, holy crap,
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I am a mosaic of all my ancestors. I'm a mosaic of lifetimes lived. Like how trippy is that? And then
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connecting with other white people and being able to share in this experience, it just, it just,
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it gives life flavor again, you know? Yeah, it's true. Stephen McNallan, I don't know if you're
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familiar with him. He's written some great books. He's going to be doing some videos for us, but he
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talks about this concept too. Yeah, we're all those that have gone before, which is pretty amazing if
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we can learn to tap into that. It's like all those people before are in your blood, in your cells, in
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your DNA, and that's quite amazing, I think. It's insane, yeah. Now, do you think on the flip side that
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there's people that are clinging to egalitarianism as a religion in order to find some kind of
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fulfillment and some meaning in our nihilistic kind of white society? Yeah, I find egalitarianism
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is kind of like feminism with a little bit less of the junk, you know? It's a little bit less
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harmful, but it still really indulges this idea that there is such a thing as all people being
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equal and the genders being totally equal. And I find that it's a delusion and it stops people from
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accepting some of the realities in life. Like, I am not equal to a man and in ways men are not equal to
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me. And I think once people accept that, it's actually so freeing. So, for example, I work,
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I don't have the luxury of being able to stay at home yet, and I get so tired and I kind of hate
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the environment, to be honest, of working. And I realize that hormonally, I'm not even really built
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for this kind of lifestyle. I'm not really built to go to work and be competitive. And so, these kind
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of, this whole bizarre idea of us being equal and basically the same, it really keeps you in a prison.
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So, it's not even helpful to people, to be honest. I think I would much rather just be free to be a
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woman and just accept that there are things that I am biologically just not built to do,
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and that's totally fine. Yeah, I think that's why a lot of these feminists are just miserable and
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depressed or trying to act like men, have sex like men, work like men, and exactly. We're not built
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that way mentally, emotionally, in so many ways. We're not built to just be workhorses and always
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be in those environments and always be intellectual. We're more emotional. We need more beauty. We need
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things that actually make us feel good, right? Exactly. I know, I think also, for me, coming to
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terms with being okay to do things like a woman. In the alt-right, for example, there's a lot of men
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in the movement. And it's very tempting for someone who has a message and wants to communicate and connect
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with people. You see the men doing it, and you almost attempted to model what they do. But I
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always have to remind myself that I'm not a man, and I don't need to do things the way men do. And
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it's possibly not even effective for me to do that. So it's actually been a learning process for me to
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say that I don't need to be like, I guess an example would be Millennial Woes or Richard Spencer.
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I don't need to be those people. I just need to be me as a woman.
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That's right. You have to do what feels natural. And if you're going into areas where you're starting
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to feel miserable, or something doesn't feel right, or it's exhausting, or it's making you down,
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you probably need to step off and kind of rethink your approach. That's kind of what I do anyway.
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And I know sometimes if I'm into political topics way too much and don't do the little things that
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women like to do or tend to things that are around home and things aren't organized right, I feel out
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of, you know, cattywampus and I don't feel happy in that place. Exactly. Yeah, it's been, I think,
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you're a great example for a lot of women. I know that when I watch women like you and either,
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and I mean, sorry, trying to think what her name is, Tara McCarthy, I think that's the name.
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Yes, Tara. I see you guys, or you women, I should say, and I'm really inspired by the way that you
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both communicate the message. And it's so wonderfully womanly. And that's really inspiring for me.
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Yeah. And just how guys need their man talk and their man cave, women need the equivalent of that.
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And that's something that I'm seeing happening in the alt-right. I'm talking to lots of women. I get
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lots of messages from women. There's meetup groups around. Women need to talk about being a woman.
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They need to talk about how to hold a baby when you're breastfeeding. I mean, women need that place
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and they need friends that are talking like we do, that they can relate to, that they can be themselves
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with and be open and honest and not have to worry about being called a racist or a white supremacist
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or a Nazi. We need, we need those little environments, you know, we, it's good. Exactly.
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Girls need their girlfriends. It's very important. There's certain things you can't talk to with
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your husband and just like guys need their guy friends, you know? Yeah. And the thing that I've
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actually noticed recently is I find that part of the power of being a woman in this movement is I find
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that a lot of women are very sensitive to, I hate to use this word, but I can't think of another
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word, the energy in a movement. We're very good at picking up the kind of, yeah, the energy that we
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put forward. And I find that quite interesting. So for example, I will feel things in the movement
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that I think are not very attractive to people on the outside. So if there's like a strong focus on
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negative things, I, I get a sense of that. And I, I don't know, I think that's something that women
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are very good at. We're very intuitive to different things like energy in the movement.
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It's true. Guys can be around negative things. They can look at negative topics and take it on
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because they're, they're a warrior. They're masculine. This is what they're built to do. Women,
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we can't be around too much negativity. We receive everything. We're intuitive. We,
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we carry a lot. So it becomes too much. We, we get so emotional. Um, so, so with that, I'm,
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I'm curious, uh, looking from the outside in as a woman to offer some constructive criticism,
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what are both, you know, constructive criticism and good input that you have for the alt-right as
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a movement where it's at right now? So with the movement, I think what people need to really
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understand is that people are attracted to a movement that promises a better way of living
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and promises to them a greater sense of purpose and progress, safety and, and happiness. And so
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really becoming, I guess, a physical example of those things will attract more people into the
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movement. And particularly with people who are very new to these ideas, don't focus too much on
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the negative aspects. So, you know, things like perhaps mass immigration, all those kinds of trigger
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points for a lot of people focus on the idea of being able to feel good about who you are and talk
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about how you're, you're, you're basically a mosaic of all your ancestors and all this life,
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these lifetimes that have been lived, focus on the really good things that make people feel good about
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themselves. And another thing is to just also just be a normal human being. I, I noticed there are some
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people in the alt-right who, who don't mind just calling black people the n-word just in normal
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conversation. And I think to someone on the outside, like if your whole purpose is to help people to
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become empathetic to what you're saying and your ideas, when you say things like the n-word, it really
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puts people off unnecessarily. So I really think that people need to just reconnect with why would
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you join the alt-right? What is the purpose of this whole thing? It has to come from a place of
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love. It has to come from a place of people need to feel like you actually care about them. And if we
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focus only on anger, people don't get that sense that, that you actually care about them. And this is
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something that I constantly have to work on in myself. Like I have to look at people, white people
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and say to myself, do I actually care about this person and, and their wellbeing? And if I don't,
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I need to work on myself. I need to make sure I'm doing this for the right reasons. And then,
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and then come back to that person because people, people know when you care and, and they'll respond
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much more positively. That's right. We have to be, you have to be kind and you have to be thoughtful
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and you have to be diplomatic. You can't come out like a steel fist. You can't come out too preachy.
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You can't come out too harsh. You know, there's some people who've been into it for a long time,
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for five years. So they're like way deep down there. And we forget that the new people coming
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in, they need the one-on-one stuff. So you're here screaming about something that's really complex,
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like, you know, master degree level into this. And there's someone who's like at preschool level.
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Yeah. You have to take it back to the basics. You have to be soft. You have to be gentle. And also
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as far as, you know, having crass language and whatnot. Exactly. I mean, you have to have some
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class, some finesse and some thoughts you just harbor privately, or you talk about those things at home.
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You don't have to think all your private thoughts out loud, but that's what a lot of young people do now
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with social media. And also the other thing is we, we have the liberating experience for white
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people. We have that. Liberals don't have that anymore. They're all about, they're there. It's
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a whole other religion. All these things you can't do, all these things you can't say. Whereas we want
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to liberate them from any feelings of guilt. And we can, we offer that experience where they can be
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totally free of those things. Exactly. It's what we have to offer is incredible. It is amazing.
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It's almost foolproof. I mean, who doesn't want to feel proud of who they are? And, and so I'm very
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excited about, about this message because I know, as I mentioned before, I had clinical depression for
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about 10 years and I was in such a state. And for me to now be able to say that I'm medication free,
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that I'm happy that I am a, a normal functioning member of society because of this movement. And
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there are probably so many white people out there who are just dying for something like this. They're
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desperate. Like I was desperate for something. And I just think that we need to, yeah, be so proud of
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what we have to offer and go forth with that. It's true. Unconsciously white people have been victims
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of abuse. We're the true victims. Young kids from a young age, they have to hear about the Holocaust
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and slavery and how evil your ancestors were. That's going to affect you on unconscious levels.
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Every psychologist knows that it's, so there's a level of deprogramming that's there. I mean,
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we're guilted right away from a young age these days by these Marxist teachers. The other thing is,
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yeah, we have to remind people what our culture is. What is our ancient civilization like? What did our
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ancestors venerate? What is our art? What is worth preserving about Western civilization? Because
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all we hear about is, oh, colonialism and slavery and Nazis. And so we need to be able to remind them
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what it is so that they even have the urge to save it. Because at this point, some people,
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they don't even know. They're not taught these things. They don't research. Their parents don't
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tell them these things. So they just think, eh, what is white culture anyway, right?
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Yeah, I know I was one of those people for a long time. I have to say that part of my journey,
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I can thank my fiancé, who was, he has been involved in the white nationalist movement,
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kind of on and off for a number of years. And even before I came to these ideas myself,
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he was very supportive and he was teaching me things. I was one of those people who would say,
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my background is basically nothing. And I've learned so much over this time. And
00:27:23.020
you think people know about those issues? Like, you think people know about how white people
00:27:30.560
essentially build the modern world? But they don't know that. They honestly, a lot of them don't know
00:27:35.800
that. And they're in complete denial about these things. And it just, it boggles my mind how I know in
00:27:43.620
Australia, in our schools, particularly history, we don't really hear about a lot of these things.
00:27:51.240
We don't hear about the wonderful things that we did. We hear about the aboriginals and what we did
00:27:56.620
to the aboriginals. And that's basically your history education right there.
00:28:02.900
Yeah. Oh, geez. So you guys grow up with that. And then what about slavery? Do you guys have to
00:28:08.200
hear about that all the time? What else are you probing? Yeah, we do. And you hear about the
00:28:11.920
Holocaust, I'm sure, in Australia too, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we hear about that. And
00:28:17.240
it's just such a strong, it's so stuck in the white psyche, the Holocaust, everything we do is,
00:28:26.820
in a sense, about avoiding being compared to Hitler or the Nazis. It's so strong in who we are. And
00:28:34.460
it's just, it's just caused so much damage. And it's just trying to repair that image. And I have to
00:28:41.960
make a lot of effort to let people know that I'm not a Nazi, to kind of just get those barriers down,
00:28:51.280
because people won't even, they won't even open their ears if they get a sense that you are
00:28:57.060
somewhat sympathetic to Hitler or the Nazis. Yeah, that's when you have to ask them, well,
00:29:02.260
can you tell me what the policies of national socialism are? Because actually, there's a lot
00:29:08.240
of things there that lefties wouldn't actually really like. I know, yeah, I've tried to have
00:29:14.380
that conversation with them, and they just flip out. Now, also, you brought up the term white
00:29:20.600
nationalist, which is a newer term, you know, in my husband and I always talk about this in Europe,
00:29:25.220
you don't say that, you know, it's more in the colonies, they said that, because in Europe,
00:29:28.060
you're just a Swedish nationalist or a German nationalist, because Europe is white, and it should be white.
00:29:32.500
And we didn't say that in America either, because before 1965, this was almost entirely a white
00:29:37.780
country. So this is a newer term, but it's really been muddied up, you know, because of stereotypes
00:29:43.500
and movies, we've had feds in the movement, like actually creating, yeah, yeah, they're like creating
00:29:51.240
some of these groups and creating these bad images. And now, is it like that in Australia? Is it a
00:29:58.040
dirty word? Do people talk about that the same white nationalism? Yeah, well, there, there are people
00:30:04.880
who think that I am genuinely a Nazi. And they, when I tell them that I'm an ethno-nationalist,
00:30:13.040
white nationalist, alt-right, they, they automatically just have these negative assumptions,
00:30:19.740
they think that I'm a white supremacist. And there's so much, so much work to be done talking
00:30:26.080
with these people and kind of deconstructing what it is exactly that they think I believe.
00:30:31.740
And so I have to make a lot of effort to say things like, I don't hate other races, which I
00:30:38.780
genuinely don't. I don't hate them, but I love my people more. And I don't think that there's
00:30:46.200
anything wrong with it. I think basically every, every other race is the same. We all favor our own.
00:30:53.520
And I don't think that that's bad. And I always make sure to let people know that part of the reason
00:31:00.880
why I like the idea of ethno-nationalism is because you're allowing every, every ethnicity to have their
00:31:09.280
own space and their own self-determination of what happens to them and their people. And when you, when you look
00:31:17.000
at people, black people, for example, live, living in white countries, and one common thing you will hear is
00:31:22.580
they might say, when I was a kid, I wish I had white skin. And I thought, what, what a, what a shame, what a damn
00:31:30.480
shame. If that, if they were in a place where they were surrounded by their own people and not having to share a
00:31:37.760
space with us and compete with us, they wouldn't be having this sense of inadequacy. And it's almost
00:31:44.340
like multiculturalism is making people feel so inadequate with who they are. And I think that
00:31:51.140
that's just totally wrong. Yeah. People are uprooting and going to these other cultures where
00:31:55.880
they have nothing in common with, and then they kind of, they kind of go cuckoo. Yeah. And then the
00:32:00.160
other thing we keep hearing too, about how awful it is to be a minority, the plight of, you know,
00:32:05.260
this group or gays or blacks or aboriginals or Jews. And then white people are supposed to rejoice
00:32:11.000
becoming a minority. You know, it's like, nobody wants to be a minority. Being a minority sucks. So
00:32:17.060
we actually offer the solution here. You can, each group has their own country. So it's nothing but
00:32:21.920
them on TV, nothing but them in the magazines, nothing but them in the government. Problem solved
00:32:27.140
really, right? But then they say, oh, but then there's going to be conflict. There will be nations
00:32:31.420
fighting. And it's like, uh, look at all the conflict we have now. It's way worse. We're
00:32:35.220
having terrorism like we've never had in Europe before. Europe has essentially been very peaceful
00:32:41.320
for a long time now. Yeah. It's, it really boggles my mind. And even, I know in Australia at the
00:32:50.460
moment, there's talk of having segregated Muslim, um, communities now. And it's like, you have to,
00:32:58.860
it's almost like they're trying to make ethno nationalism, uh, within Australia. And it's
00:33:05.700
like, I, I get it. You want to be surrounded by your own people. You want to feel safe and accepted
00:33:12.240
and not have, have to look over your shoulder all the time. I want that too. A white, white people want
00:33:18.720
the exact same thing. And it, it, it, it just, it drives me nuts at how it's almost, it's obvious to
00:33:26.460
people that we operate better when we are in a homogenous society, we operate better, but they're
00:33:33.820
kind of forcing themselves to live in this delusion and it, it doesn't work. The other thing is when
00:33:39.800
we're talking to a lot of these Normies, like you were talking about earlier, and they, they always
00:33:44.120
say supremacist, you have to stay on them, really stay on them, not letting these things slide. Okay.
00:33:49.800
Define supremacist. What do you mean by supremacist? Because there's different versions flying
00:33:54.520
around. Some people think it's white people lording over all these non-whites and, you know,
00:33:59.100
with, with a whip and telling them what to do. That's the visual. Some people have all these
00:34:02.340
Hollywood slave driver movies, but then to others, when you actually ask, it simply just means white
00:34:08.180
people being a majority in their own countries. I mean, that's pretty crazy. And I always say to people
00:34:15.720
that, and as far as white supremacy, I don't think that white people are necessarily the best
00:34:24.500
to everything. I mean, one thing, for example, is we're not great at giving birth to children.
00:34:32.860
Our birth rates are declining. We've really neglected the numbers side of our own people.
00:34:38.960
There are other groups of people who are much more successful at this. So I don't even think it is
00:34:45.640
factual that white people are in every aspect of existence and life supreme. It's just not true
00:34:54.280
anymore. I mean, I do acknowledge that we built the modern world, but that doesn't mean that in
00:34:59.360
every single area of life that we are the best. And I'm quite comfortable saying that. And I think
00:35:05.600
when I acknowledge that with people, they kind of don't really know where to go. Like, oh, wow. Okay.
00:35:10.760
So she's not really a white supremacist. Oh, I don't know where to go from here.
00:35:14.740
Well, the thing is whites right now are in a really sad state. That's another thing that the alt-right sees.
00:35:19.740
It's like, it's been very dysgenic for a long time now and something needs to be done for the future
00:35:24.780
of the planet here, you know? I mean, look around. It's kind of sad when you see our own race, what
00:35:30.740
they're becoming. I know Australia has that in America. Unfit, slower, not so smart. There's not
00:35:37.400
a lot of really good looking people anymore. I mean, that kind of freaks me out, you know,
00:35:42.980
if it's just going to turn into this race of just short, fat, dumb blobs, you know? Like,
00:35:48.900
that's not what we want here. I know. Yeah. It's such a shame to me because
00:35:53.780
there was a time in history where you could look at the white race and think,
00:36:00.020
wow, look at them, look at everything they've achieved. My goodness. I think it was Richard
00:36:07.840
Spencer who said something like, it was only the European race that could put a man on the
00:36:14.360
moon. And there is something so aspirational and inspiring about the European race. And
00:36:23.020
we've lost touch with that. It's such a shame. And I think that this is part of why the alt-right
00:36:30.620
is so powerful is it helps people to reconnect with that. And I know for me, myself, I've felt
00:36:37.340
like I'm starting to take more pride in what I do. Like, I want to keep my house tidy,
00:36:44.820
things like that. I want to make sure that I'm dressed nicely. You know, I'm wanting to buy clothes
00:36:50.540
that I feel represent what I want to represent better. And there is something in being in the
00:36:58.460
alt-right movement that makes you want to be a better person and take better care of yourself.
00:37:03.180
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. What are some of the things that the alt-right movement offers?
00:37:07.240
Well, a lot of people are interested in health. They talk about good health and fitness. Like you
00:37:13.220
said, appearance, keeping the house nice, love, meaningful relationships, family, a sense of tribe.
00:37:22.040
What else do you think? I mean, that's a lot, but what else do you think that we have to offer there?
00:37:28.460
I think the most important thing is something to live for. My goodness, I'm just so excited to be a
00:37:38.380
part of this race. And I think for me, I mean, I think for a lot of millennials like myself,
00:37:47.580
as we've talked about before, we have this sense of, oh, I'm just, I'm going to die and then that's it.
00:37:54.480
But when I soon or eventually have children, there's a part of me inside someone else. And
00:38:05.240
so when I die, I live on in that sense. And so in that sense, there's immortality. And I think that
00:38:14.240
that is something that's really important to the human spirit. There is something in us that wants
00:38:21.260
to live forever. There is something in us that almost kind of wants to be like this godlike
00:38:26.820
character. And I think that creating a family is one of the only ways that most people can achieve
00:38:34.920
that. And so I would say that is probably one of the best things that the alt-right offers to people.
00:38:42.560
Absolutely. And the other thing is nowadays with the technology, there's so many cool things we can do
00:38:48.300
to messages we can record for our future great, great, great grandchildren. Things that couldn't
00:38:54.480
have been done a couple generations ago. I mean, that's pretty cool. Yeah. And we should all be
00:38:58.580
doing that recording, you know, a vlog, if you will. You know, well, these archives are going to be
00:39:03.220
good for our kids. But, you know, being able to pass that down so that, you know, they can hear what was
00:39:09.740
going on, get the true story, the true history, and leave important messages from them, things that you
00:39:15.980
really want them to hear. I think that that's a really cool idea. We should all be doing that.
00:39:22.140
So, you know, a lot of people, you're different. You woke up to these things, and it actually cured
00:39:27.040
your depression. But some people, they go through this process of, you know, that born-again
00:39:31.120
experience, like you're talking about. You know, they're like, get on fire, they wake up to these
00:39:34.540
things, and then they kind of hit a wall and get into depression because they feel, oh, it's all
00:39:40.500
hopeless. We can't, it's insurmountable. It's closing in on us. What advice would you offer
00:39:46.360
those people? Oh, well, firstly, I would acknowledge that it's okay to feel down sometimes. I mean,
00:39:54.740
I go through periods myself where I might have a day where I feel down. But in saying that,
00:40:01.640
giving up hope is a luxury that we can't afford anymore. We are in crisis mode. We need
00:40:10.060
everyone on board. We need to be strong. And this is part of how accessing your ancestry and
00:40:19.060
looking at that and looking at inspiring parts of your ancestry. This can inspire you to continue on.
00:40:26.520
We have to be strong. We have lived very comfortable lives because of the sacrifices that other people
00:40:33.740
have made for us. Now it's our turn. Hopefully, we won't need to cop as much
00:40:39.620
strife as our ancestors have. But there's no way around it. We need to pay a price. And
00:40:46.940
I just, I don't think that we can afford to give up hope. And I mean, what's the alternative? If we
00:40:52.800
give up hope, then what? There's, once you give up hope, then there is no hope. But if you hold on
00:41:00.140
to it, then there's at least always a chance that things can get better. And you may not even see it
00:41:06.100
in your lifetime. It could take future generations to see the results of you being strong. And I think
00:41:13.520
we have to be okay with that because for our ancestors, they had to be okay with that too.
00:41:19.320
Yeah, that's right. I'd rather die trying. Don't we all want to be welcomed into Valhalla? Well,
00:41:24.020
you have to do great ass to be able to go to Valhalla, folks. You can't just die with a whimper and just,
00:41:29.940
well, I didn't really try because I was afraid of losing my job or I was too tired or no, exactly.
00:41:36.260
Yeah, that's not who we are. Emergency situation here. And some people don't think that it's
00:41:40.860
bad enough, but it's only going to be getting worse from here on out. So we have to,
00:41:45.120
we have to muster up the strength. And I always say to you, if you have bad days,
00:41:49.320
if it feels just insurmountable and you feel depressed, we all have that. But that's when it's
00:41:54.300
good to have some friends that you can call up. Take breaks. You need to get away from the computer,
00:42:00.340
get away from some of that stuff, go outside, be in nature, spend time with your family. You need
00:42:06.300
to recharge. You need to take breaks. And when it starts becoming too much, and then you'll feel
00:42:11.300
fresh again, and it feels like a new day, and then you can be fighting some more. And that's what
00:42:16.180
soldiers do, right? They take time off from the battlefield and they have to come back.
00:42:21.140
Exactly. And I know for me that I've started to go outside more. I know it doesn't look like I go
00:42:27.980
outside a lot, probably. I love your white skin. It's very, very white. Thank you. It is very
00:42:33.080
white. I get some mean comments about that sometimes. Really? Yeah. And I like to say to
00:42:39.180
people, would you say to a black person, thank you, would you say to a black person, you're too black?
00:42:44.440
Of course not. You wouldn't be able to get away with that. And, you know, it's the same for white
00:42:49.280
people. But I will go on bushwalks and I will listen to, oh, there's a band I think called,
00:42:57.880
is it Ward Runa? Ward Runa, yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. I will listen to them and just,
00:43:04.520
oh, it's spiritual. It's a spiritual experience. And this is another aspect of getting in touch with
00:43:11.840
your ancestry and your ethnic identity is you start to, it becomes spiritual going outside and
00:43:20.620
being in a climate that is similar to what your homeland would be. There's something really
00:43:27.240
therapeutic about that. And I find that when I go on these walks, once I'm finished the walk,
00:43:35.180
I'm a different person because there is something about nature, the way that it can impact you and
00:43:41.080
kind of communicate with you. It's so deep in our bones. And I would encourage people,
00:43:47.800
go outside where there are lots of trees, lots of greenery, and just allow yourself to feel
00:43:55.240
the way your ancestors would have felt when they were outside in nature.
00:44:00.020
Yeah. And I've been in situations where you're with friends and there's a big bonfire. We're all
00:44:05.620
on the same page and we just take a minute to think about our ancestors. And that's a powerful
00:44:10.000
moment. And you do feel recharged when you're with the people, you know, you get some camaraderie,
00:44:16.040
some sisterhood, some brotherhood, and you build each other up, lift each other up. That's the
00:44:19.920
benefit of having tribe. And I think a lot of us have been isolated for way too long.
00:44:24.460
The other thing is, you know, me growing up in America, you in Australia, we've grown up in the
00:44:29.020
colonies. You know, the colonies are away from the motherland. So a lot of Europeans don't know how
00:44:33.600
good they have it, that some of these things are right in their backyard. They can walk where their
00:44:38.100
ancestors walked. They could go to these sacred sites. And I find that people in Europe, the
00:44:43.640
nationalist movement there is healthier because they're still pretty connected to their culture.
00:44:48.220
They still, you know, they haven't forgotten some of those things. Whereas us in the colonies,
00:44:52.360
I mean, geez, like I'm away from my mother tongue, the language that all my ancestors spoke,
00:44:59.220
you know, I'm far away, isolated. We don't have that same experience. So I almost look at Australia
00:45:04.760
and America and the people there, the white people are almost in worse shape because they've been away
00:45:12.360
Yeah. And I think once you become, I guess, aware of these issues and, you know, join the alt
00:45:20.420
rights as an Australian or an American, you start to get that sense. You think, so for example,
00:45:26.660
this land is extremely, Australia, for example, is extremely spiritual for the aboriginals. But
00:45:35.620
the European lands, they are very spiritual for me. And I've yet to go over there. I've yet to touch
00:45:43.820
the soil of my own people. And there's a part of me that really aches for that. And I mean,
00:45:51.020
I'm hoping to get to Europe later this year and get to breathe in that air that my ancestors breathed
00:45:59.460
in. It seems like it should be a birthright to have that experience. Yeah.
00:46:05.400
Yeah. We need to do some mecca trips for the colonies, you know, back to Europe, a yearly meetup,
00:46:11.260
you know, whatever. We can go camping, whatever. It doesn't have just to be there. Yeah. It's funny,
00:46:15.800
you brought up the aboriginals, you know, when I lived in Australia for a year, I came around that
00:46:20.780
too. All the white people that talk about the sacred aboriginals and their sacred land.
00:46:26.260
And white people don't view their own land as sacred and think that they don't have a mythology
00:46:32.280
and a spirituality. It drives me nuts. And whites are going to visit these aboriginals and they want
00:46:37.880
to go have a mystical experience with them. And it's just, it's annoying, isn't it?
00:46:42.820
It is. It's insane. We've been robbed. And this is how I feel like it's emotional abuse. Because if you
00:46:51.900
talk to people like the aboriginals, this is extremely important to them, this is their reason
00:46:57.660
for getting up in the morning is being in touch with their ancestors and their homeland. But for
00:47:04.100
white people, a lot of us haven't been given permission to have that experience. So we're really
00:47:10.660
quite a psychologically traumatized people, I think. Oh, yeah. It's very sad.
00:47:17.640
I wanted to ask you about the current state of Australia. What's going on there with mass
00:47:21.480
immigration, with Islamic immigration? What's the latest?
00:47:27.240
Well, it's nowhere near as bad as Europe. And it's not even as bad as the US. We are still
00:47:36.060
quite lucky. And yeah, the situation hasn't got that bad yet. But who knows what the future
00:47:46.140
holds? And I will say that we have one political party called One Nation. And that is basically
00:47:53.560
the most right-wing group we have. And it's got quite a strong nationalist front. And the
00:48:00.700
interest in that party, the support for that party is actually overtaking the interest in
00:48:07.500
our major left-wing party, which is the Greens. So nationalism is growing in Australia, as I'm sure
00:48:15.540
it is in Europe and the US. And we are, it's becoming a lot more, a lot more popular. People are
00:48:23.040
talking about it more. And yeah, as I mentioned before, there's talk now of Muslim communities
00:48:31.180
having segregated areas for them now. And this, of course, really goes against a lot of what
00:48:37.320
Australians believe. We believe, well, a lot of Australians believe that they should integrate
00:48:44.040
with us. Now, I have my own thoughts about that. But for Australians, the idea of having
00:48:49.840
segregated communities, it's just, it's so, it's so disgusting and against who we are. And
00:48:57.140
we kind of imported these people in the good faith that they would become a part of our country and
00:49:03.840
community. And of course, they don't want to. And why would they? They have their own culture.
00:49:08.060
They have their own way of being. And I think it's quite arrogant how a lot of the left-wing
00:49:13.300
think that people are just going to want to come here and just become Westerners. And that's,
00:49:21.660
It's just that they're self-righteous and they're arrogant and they think they can make everyone
00:49:26.220
like them and everyone needs to think like them. And then the world's going to be a perfect place.
00:49:31.440
Meanwhile, you know, teenage girls are literally getting blown up at concerts. I mean,
00:49:39.560
Yeah, that really broke my heart. And I think a lot of us are feeling so betrayed by our leaders
00:49:49.060
and we are feeling, we feel like there's no hope. We feel like it's going to get worse. But
00:49:56.200
I do have hope. And I do think that even in my lifetime, things, the problem isn't fixed,
00:50:04.200
which it probably won't be. I do believe that what's happening is there's like a pruning.
00:50:10.220
And what's happening is in our race, the white race, we are going to lose the weak. And that's
00:50:18.300
just a process of nature. And we have to accept that and be okay with it, which is why we really
00:50:23.980
need to be strong. Because if you want to survive this, you have to be strong. And this is just a
00:50:29.720
process we need to go through. And by the end, only the strong will remain. And I believe that
00:50:35.740
there will be a future for us. And so yeah, I don't, I haven't lost hope.
00:50:41.340
That's right. It's a different kind of evolution. Now we're up against different kinds of pressures.
00:50:46.280
And the kind of person that's being forged right now, it's going to be very, very tough and lean and
00:50:53.020
mean, something to be reckoned with in the future. So we are in the process of creating that.
00:50:59.080
And it's going to be basically the generation, I think, of our children that are going to be
00:51:04.160
doing some great things, because a lot of the young kids now are waking up to these things
00:51:08.000
pretty fast. It's kind of cool hearing from some 17 and 18 year olds who listen to the show. I've
00:51:13.660
been seeing more of that. So that's exciting. That's good.
00:51:16.880
It is. It is exciting. The interest is growing. And I've heard someone say that if it wasn't for
00:51:23.180
multiculturalism, there wouldn't be nationalism. And so I do believe that as we see more and more
00:51:28.860
multiculturalism, you will only see an increase in nationalism for sure.
00:51:33.740
Well, I have to ask, you know, many guys, they feel it's hopeless and they're depressed because
00:51:38.780
they feel they can't find a woman who thinks like you. Any advice for those young guys? Or
00:51:46.100
Well, I will draw from my own experience. So I've been with my fiancé for quite a while now.
00:51:55.280
And when he met me, I was not alt-right. I was quite left-wing. But this is where your own
00:52:03.820
intuition needs to come into play. So for me, I have always been very nurturing. And I think
00:52:11.540
my fiancé knew I wanted to have children before I even knew I wanted to have children because
00:52:17.200
my motherly nature was just so written all over me that I just, I can't live in denial.
00:52:25.140
And also looking at her character. So is she someone who wants to have a family? Is she someone who is
00:52:31.980
a supportive partner? Is she honest and loyal? Is she someone that you could see yourself growing
00:52:39.320
with? These are much more important in the beginning? Because what I have found is that
00:52:46.020
if you as a man, if you are an inspiring person, chances are she will come to believe what you
00:52:55.060
believe. And I just think that that's just a fact of life is that women in particular are heavily
00:53:02.700
influenced by their men. And when men are inspiring, like my fiancé, he's very hardworking.
00:53:11.100
He's stuck with me during my depression. He has just been absolutely incredible. I could not help
00:53:18.320
but take on what he believed. And so I think men need to have that approach is you may not find
00:53:24.340
an alt-right woman, but that doesn't mean that she wouldn't become alt-right in the future.
00:53:29.640
So just look out for those key character points of a good nature and a good character. And I think
00:53:36.680
the rest will come. That's true. And a lot of women, the majority of women, aren't extremely
00:53:43.000
political. You would think it if you watch the news and look at feminists that they push, but a lot of
00:53:48.600
women aren't that convinced. They may watch CNN, but they don't really comprehend what's happening
00:53:53.040
there or what's going on. And I know that just based on some of the girls I talk to that I interact
00:53:57.980
with out in the world running errands and, you know, you ask them questions and kind of test where
00:54:02.880
they're at, they don't really know a thing. So, I mean, a lot of them can be convinced you can show
00:54:08.460
them the light. And men do have the power of persuasion, especially if he behaves in an irresistible
00:54:14.280
way and then she just will step into line, right?
00:54:16.880
Yeah, exactly. And I mean, I'm even still, I'm politically aware, but I never try to sell myself
00:54:26.460
as this massive political commentator or anything like that. As some of you can probably tell,
00:54:33.820
I'm more interested in the emotional journey of this movement and people. And yeah, so you don't
00:54:40.940
need to have a woman who is completely on the ball or even like Lauren Southern, for example,
00:54:47.580
she's, you know, a rare case. Most women, they just, they want, they want to feel loved. They
00:54:53.280
want to feel safe and they want a family and they want to express themselves. And I think even, you
00:55:00.240
know, hormonally, we're more built that way and, and that's okay. That's fine.
00:55:05.460
And also the other thing is I've had a lot of guys write me and say, Hey, your show is red
00:55:09.800
pilled my girlfriend. Thanks for that. A lot. I've been doing a lot of shows with women lately
00:55:13.500
and it's great because a lot of the guys can share it with their girlfriends and their sisters
00:55:17.480
and their mothers. And that's another good thing, you know, just let them hear other girls talking
00:55:22.300
about it. So kind of, uh, there's a little deep programming and deprogramming from the norm and
00:55:28.020
get them to think a little different because what we're talking about is common sense. It's what
00:55:31.960
aligns with our femininity and our nature, and it will click on some level when they hear it.
00:55:36.640
They just have to hear it. For sure. I know I've had, I've had women reach
00:55:40.640
out to me, people who describe themselves as left-wing and, uh, yeah, there are a lot of
00:55:46.640
women that are very interested in these ideas. And I do think that actually talking about
00:55:51.620
feminism, I know we're all a little bit bored of it, but for a lot of people, it's a really
00:55:57.840
great gateway to debunk a lot of left-wing ideology with people. This is, this is, it's less
00:56:05.720
offensive to people unless they're of course, like super, super feminist, but for a lot
00:56:10.980
of women, they don't mind talking about these issues. It's a nice gateway. So I still think
00:56:16.460
there is value in talking about, about feminism with women. And then you can kind of, once
00:56:21.540
you've shown and exposed the hypocrisy and the lies, they have doubts about, well, what
00:56:27.520
else is the left-wing teaching that is wrong? And so it can be a really good way to get women
00:56:33.220
interested in talking about these ideas. It's true. And your average housewife who
00:56:36.920
says she's a feminist, when you ask her what that really means, she's like, well, you know,
00:56:41.000
women being equal. And I was like, well, can you name one place in the West, in white countries
00:56:45.920
where we're not equal? And then they, they can't do it. And then I say, well, you know, it was, uh,
00:56:50.760
thanks to, you know, our white, white culture and men that have propped us up. Our women have been
00:56:55.860
the first to go into space and to be billionaires and fly planes and drive cars. And it's our men who have
00:57:02.000
facilitated us. I mean, we're the ultimate privileged ones, you know, women in white,
00:57:07.320
white societies, absolutely up on a, on a pedestal. But yeah, it's true. It could be a gateway and take
00:57:12.820
them into other areas. That's a big topic. Well, last question for you. I know you're also passionate
00:57:17.920
about reaching normies. And I think that we've been talking about that, but since, you know,
00:57:21.520
you're, you're fairly new into these things and it's good to step back and remember where we all
00:57:27.100
came from and how we came here. So any advice for talking to newcomers or people you think are on
00:57:33.580
the fence that we can convert over into our side? Yeah. So I, I love normies and I, because I identify
00:57:42.560
with them, I was a normie myself. And so what we need to do is really have an honest human conversation
00:57:50.380
with these people, talk about the things they're worried about, talk about the things that keep them
00:57:55.560
up at night and make an emotional connection with people. Let them know that you care.
00:58:01.100
And then from there, you can start to have these conversations because if they know that you are
00:58:06.620
a decent person, they are less likely to be put off by what you're saying and they're going to be more
00:58:12.260
open. And remember that what you would, you, what you were selling to people is a better life,
00:58:18.360
a better way of feeling about themselves and the world. And if you focus on that first,
00:58:24.120
then you are much more likely to get a positive response because people at the end of the day,
00:58:29.440
at the end of the day, they just want to feel good. Yeah. And I think it was Philosophicat,
00:58:34.560
your friend who was also on my show, brought up a good point to, to, to listen. You just have to sit
00:58:40.300
there and listen so that they feel really heard. And, and I find a good approach is just to ask simple,
00:58:46.040
gentle questions back because the truth is on our side. We know what all those double standard,
00:58:50.380
double standards are. We know what the weak points are so we can just keep it really simple and just
00:58:54.960
question some of those weak points. And a lot of times you'll, you'll have people say, I don't have
00:58:59.720
an answer for that or good point, or I don't know. So we can't, we can't be intellectually lazy. We
00:59:07.140
can't let these people slide either. When you're in these conversations, you almost have to hold
00:59:11.100
people to it, you know, don't let them go until then. Exactly. Well, it's been great having you
00:59:17.140
here today. I've really enjoyed our conversation and let people know how they can find your YouTube
00:59:21.580
channel and your Twitter and everything else. Yes. So I'm on YouTube as Gorgo channel. I'm on
00:59:28.900
Twitter as Gorgo channel. And also I have a Facebook page, Gorgo channel, which I'm much more active on.
00:59:35.380
You're more likely to get in touch with me on my Facebook page or on my YouTube,
00:59:39.680
but I do use Twitter from time to time as well. All right. Well, we'll keep an eye on your YouTube
00:59:44.420
channel. Keep up the good work. Thank you. We'll have you back again sometime soon.
00:59:48.880
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