Cuckservatives_ Social Justice Warriors _ The White Problem
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Richard Spencer is the President of the National Policy Institute and Editor-in-Chief of Washington Summit Publishers and Radix Journal. He attended the University of Virginia and University of Chicago and was a doctoral student at Duke University before dropping out to pursue a life of thought crime. He is one of those guys who you can talk to about anything and nothing shocks him, which is a good thing.
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This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.
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Welcome, everyone. This is Lana joining you for the next hour.
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I think you'll enjoy this interview with Richard Spencer, who is the president of the National Policy Institutes and editor of Washington Summit Publishers and Radix Journal.
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He attended University of Virginia and University of Chicago and was a doctoral student at Duke University before dropping out to pursue a life of thought crime.
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He's one of those guys who you can talk to about anything and nothing shocks him, which is a good thing.
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So sit back and enjoy as we make fun of cuck-servatives, social justice warriors, and libertarians.
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But we'll take some twists and turns along the way.
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Richard Spencer, welcome and thanks for being here.
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Well, thanks for having me, Lana. It's my pleasure.
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Well, I feel like I already know you because I've watched your presentations, I've read your articles, but I'm sure there's a whole lot more to you.
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I'm a complete monster outside of my online persona.
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We do feel like we know each other electronically because we know each other's thoughts on Twitter.
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When you listen to a podcast, it's almost like you're overhearing a conversation or you're taking part in the conversation sometimes.
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I mean, I don't think electronic friendships should ever replace real-world friendships, the kind of friendship where you borrow someone's butter or a cup of flour or something.
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But nevertheless, they are real, and it is kind of amazing that we can interact in this way.
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And, you know, we would never know each other without the Internet and things like that.
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Our movement certainly wouldn't exist in the form that it is now without the Internet.
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Well, I wanted to ask you, since you're in Montana, what is the political and social climate like there these days?
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Is it a bunch of cowboys still that are more rebellious, or what's going on there?
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Well, yeah, I'm not really connected with anything political in Montana.
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I think Montana is one of those interesting places where it shows you how politics would probably be different if there weren't that racial component that we have that certainly informs the kind of left-right divide in the country.
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So you actually will have Democrats like Schweitzer and some others who are kind of – they're not leftist.
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They're kind of, you know, good old boys who will get some federal handouts for the logging industry or something.
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It's a kind of – they're not trying to subvert society, and they're in a way – they're the kind of people that you would want to have a beer with.
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So you actually do have a stronger Democratic Party out here.
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But I would say that the general mentality is one of just leave me alone kind of libertarianism.
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And, you know, there's so much space out here that that kind of deeply American mentality still makes sense, where you can kind of – you can be self-sufficient.
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And so I think that is the de facto and very natural political mentality of people in Montana.
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But I think in a way – so in a way, I'm very disconnected from that.
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I mean, I respect that, and that's how I like to be.
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You know, I would love for people to just leave me alone sometimes.
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But I think in a way that kind of American libertarianism is totally inadequate for facing the challenges of the 21st century, the geopolitical challenges and the racial challenges certainly.
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And so I think it's something that is – you know, it is very natural and understandable and admirable.
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But I think it's something we need to overcome.
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I think we need to start thinking about things that are different, that are more than just leave me alone, dude.
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Yeah, it also seems that libertarianism would only potentially work with like-minded or like-cultured white people because try and teach the Somali population about the non-aggression principle or anarcho-capitalism and see how that goes, right?
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Well, this is an interesting thing because, you know, things like liberal – you know, we're talking about classical liberalism in a way.
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And that we think of these as these abstract ideas, but they really do have a social basis.
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And if you see where libertarianism works, it works in, say, Switzerland, which is a multi – well, maybe not multicultural, quite, society.
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It's certainly a multilinguistic and a multicultural society where you have four different languages.
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And there is a kind of – and it's also an entirely white population, very good immigration control.
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So libertarianism kind of makes sense in that context where it's just leave me alone.
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We're surrounded by big, dangerous powers like, you know, Prussia or Germany or France, the Austrian government empire.
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This kind of liberalism has a historic – a history to it, and it makes sense.
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Certainly libertarianism makes sense in the American frontier where you can always move.
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You can always keep going, where our kind of rugged individualism is not just – you know, it's necessary.
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There's an anthropology to liberalism that we sometimes forget.
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But, you know, as I said before, I think in a way these kinds of things, their time has come and gone.
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We don't have the luxury of saying, just leave me alone or let's build a fence around my neighbor and the world that we live in.
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We need to think in terms of our shared, broader identity.
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And, you know, that's really the challenge that we have to face.
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It's one which, you know, again, where just leave me alone is not going to be adequate.
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Yeah, I know all kinds of different libertarians, but there are some that are just, hey, well, if the market dictates it, but it's population replacement.
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Well, if that's what the market wants, it's like, okay.
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I was in a way giving a generous portrait of libertarians as, but yes, the kind of left libertarian who, they are truly heinous individuals.
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And it's kind of funny because it's not even a kind of, it's not even a just leave me alone.
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It's an absolute positive affirmation of, you know, whatever new, you know, sexual or degenerate innovation they can think of.
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You know, it's, you, these kind of left libertarians, they don't recognize the idea of like a community would want to be religiously defined or a community would want to exclude people.
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You know, you, you have to let in, uh, all sorts of, uh, new perversions.
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I guess the irony of the left libertarians is that they ultimately require a global government in order to enforce, you know, tolerance of whatever new degeneracy they come up with.
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Um, so they, they, they kind of, in a way, the left libertarian is at a kind of always an inherently contradictory outlook.
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Um, but, you know, they, they couldn't accept the idea that a little town in Montana would say, we are a, uh, we are a Protestant town and no blacks or anything like that.
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That could, that could be their, their, their cultural decision that, that is totally consensual.
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Um, and that's in a way that kind of a more accurate portrayal of the kind of libertarians or liberals or leftists that we're dealing with.
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Um, they, they, they, they're anti-freedom at the end of the day.
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Now, how did you come to where you are politically?
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Uh, but then at the same time, I, I, I do believe in, in Nietzsche's, uh, imperative of become who you are.
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And, uh, that's actually the title of this, you know, conference that we're, we're holding.
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But, so I, I feel like I've never really changed.
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Uh, but then I certainly did take a lot of different paths.
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Um, I, I, I remember when I was a kid, I probably was a conservative,
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maybe in the same way that a lot of people root on Donald Trump in the sense that he's,
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I, I kind of wanted to root on the team that was kind of the boldest or the most badass or the toughest guy.
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So I, I remember I, um, would write these little essays when I was in middle school,
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why I thought, uh, uh, Pat Buchanan was a great guy.
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And this is when he ran for president in the early, uh, 1992.
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And, uh, I remember I actually found one where I defended David Duke when he ran for president.
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Uh, I wonder what my teacher thought about that one.
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Uh, but yeah, so I just, I kind of had, I liked Ross Perot.
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You know, I basically just liked people who I saw as kind of tough guys and bold and, you know, things like that.
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Um, but I, I think when I became a young adult, I, in a way was more attracted to the left and the far left.
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Uh, I, I was, I, I, as I, as I started to gain, you know, a philosophic and political consciousness,
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uh, I really saw that there was something deeply wrong with the world.
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I saw some, some nihilism at the very heart of American life.
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Uh, and I guess what, what I was reacting against was, uh, you could say it's the, the Walmartization
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or the, it's the triumph of the last man as, as Nietzsche defined him, uh, the triumph of someone
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who's totally self-satisfied with consuming and buying and selling.
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There's no ideal beyond, you know, can I get a new low price, uh, microwave?
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So I, I actually was very interested in critical theory and the, you know, Frankfurt school.
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Uh, I, I was, I've always been deeply interested in Nietzsche.
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He's probably, you know, inspired me more than any other, you know, writer or thinker.
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Uh, but I was, I was very, in a way like, uh, you know, this is 15 years ago now.
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I was almost kind of a leftist, you know, I was anti-capitalist.
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Capitalism was destroying culture and humanity and all that kind of stuff.
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And, and I look back at it now and I, I obviously am different to a certain degree, but I understand
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I'm not one of those people who, um, and there are some of these people, I think, believe
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it or not, even Kevin McDonald seemed to have taken a turn like this, uh, where they, they
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were real genuine leftist and then they, they, they woke up and they really changed.
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I can kind of recognize the, the man who I am now and the, and the young man, uh, who
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I was, uh, you know, in college and graduate school where I was, um, probably closer to
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I think that's good because I don't, I don't think our movement's going to get anywhere
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Or, or, or if we, the other thing that I always hate is this notion that we are like
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the Republican party or conservatives only more so.
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I don't have anything in common with, with Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich or Mike Huckabee
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And I certainly don't agree with them on the most important things.
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And so I, I, I think it's true that our movement, um, most of the people are coming
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They're, they're former conservatives maybe or, or something.
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But I think we're, we're, if we're going to move forward and we're, we're going to be
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a, become a better and brighter and more dynamic and interesting movement, I think we have to
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And, you know, it's funny, I, at actually our last conference, um, the MPI's last conference
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in February, where we, we did a conference on beyond conservatism, which we talked a lot
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Uh, I actually met a young man who was a, you know, a former environmentalist and, and,
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uh, uh, an Obama supporter who was a, a big, uh, he, he donated his time to the Obama campaign
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and he's, he's come this whole way over the past seven years.
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I think we need more people like that in a way.
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We, we need people who are, you know, searching for something, who, who know that there's something
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wrong at the very heart of the world and, uh, and who want an answer and something that's
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I think that, that if our movement is to have a future, we need to attract people like that.
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We need to integrate left-wing forces, uh, and we need to not just be, you know, the,
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the, the far right of the conservative movement or some awful notion like that.
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Uh, we need to be coming from a different universe.
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Yeah, I told you this, but I love seeing the left confused by people like us who we can
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be pagans, we eat organic, we're actually concerned with animals, the environment.
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And, uh, you know, a lot of us are anti-capitalist, so they seem shocked that there's opposition
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to cultural Marxism that isn't this concert, you know, this usual conservative stereotype,
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I, you know, I talked a little bit about this at, at the, on the beyond conservative conference.
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Uh, and that is that we have these things that are, are basically idea clusters and it's
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kind of like, if you're conservative, that means that you want to destroy the environment
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and build new shopping malls in place of the redwoods.
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And, and also you're a profound Christian and also you also love global capitalism.
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Uh, and also you want to bomb Arabs into oblivion in order to protect Israel, you know, all of
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those ideas, why would any one person hold all of those ideas, you know, and, and why
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are any of those ideas inherently conservative?
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And in many ways they're, they're the antithesis of conservatism.
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I think we need to, it's the way I described it is conservatism is like a, or the right, the
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And again, those certainly different things, but I think they actually have a lot more similarities
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Um, it's a jigsaw puzzle where the pieces don't fit.
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And, you know, there, there's no reason why a devout Christians should also support global
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capitalism and charter schools and bombing Middle Eastern countries.
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And so I, I think, you know, one thing that our movement can do is to really shake up that
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jigsaw puzzle and, and, and, and, and really rearrange the pieces and start to think, what
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You know, I, I think that without question, um, something that, you know, we should, we should
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think about, and I think we should do more than think about it is the importance of the
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Uh, it, that's something that we should, we shouldn't just preserve it as a natural resource
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We should, we should, we should support the natural world for aesthetic grounds, the fact
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for spiritual grounds that it's a place for renewal.
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Uh, it's, I mean, one of the fundamental reasons why I live in Montana is just, I can, I can look
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out and be inspired, um, by living in a place in the mountains, by, uh, uh, by going into
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the forest, swimming in the lakes, biking through the trees.
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I mean, these are things that are just deeply important and they are more important than
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Uh, I, I, I just, you know, I mean, it's just like the religious right nut jobs who are, you
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know, they, I think they envision some new coming world where we'll have, you know, 15
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billion human beings on the planet and we'll all have two cars and, you know, we'll all
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be middle-class Americans, you know, buying stuff at Kmart.
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And I, I, we, we can, we really need to understand that there, there are actually things that
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are, that are deeper and more long lasting than human lives.
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And that, you know, this is that kind of, that anti-humanism that I think we need to,
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that we need to tap into, that there are, there are, these things are deeply important
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to us and they're deeply important to our ancestors.
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We owe it to our children to preserve the, this, you know, beautiful natural world.
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Um, so yeah, I, I think, uh, you know, I, I've gone off on a tangent as usual, but yeah,
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If, if, if, if, if it is conservatism as it's been defined by these, these nut jobs.
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Isn't it interesting how the left, they used to talk a lot about overpopulation and now
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all of a sudden, since mass immigration, they're just silent on it.
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They, they've totally reversed course from where they were in the seventies.
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Um, yeah, it's now, uh, we are, you're, you're going to be impoverished unless you allow
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That's usually what they tell Americans at least like, oh, we need these.
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If we're going to have a bright economy and pay your social security, it's like almost
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Italy won't survive without third world immigrants in their country.
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Well, you know, you're going to have to allow these boat people in.
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Now, do you still make a separation between conservative and neocon?
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Well, that's actually a very interesting question.
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Um, yes, I, it's interesting because I would say I have a very specific definition of neocons.
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And, um, I, I think as, as often happens that neocon became an almost slur word, I think
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there was actually, it wasn't there a Rolling Stones song where Mick Jagger said like, you
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know, go fuck your neocons or something, something like that.
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But the fact is there, there, the neoconservative movement is, has a history to it.
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And it's actually, in a way, I have a kind of ironical admiration for neoconservatives.
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And, and the reason is that it's a, it's a movement of Jews, um, who were Trotskyist
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in the 1930s, famously at the city college of New York, they were in alcove one or something.
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And they would debate the Stalinist in alcove two.
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They would have these, you know, debates of people of, of Jews, American Jews who were
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kind of marginalized, who were, but who were all kind of, you know, intense, heady intellectuals.
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They, they became, they went from being Trotskyist to becoming Cold War liberals.
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In a way, a lot like identitarians or, or white nationalists or, or whatever you would
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Um, they were kind of marginalized people, but who did little heady, interesting stuff and
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And, um, then by the, uh, probably by the seventies or eighties, the neoconservatives started
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to take a turn to the right, mainly because the, the rise of the new left in the late
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sixties and the neocons would basically view the new leftists as anti-Zionist because the
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neocons, I think one, one thing that gives them their power and what makes them an interesting
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movement to think about and study is that it's a, it's a movement that has a lot of tensions
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Uh, and this, this comes from its history of, of being a Jewish movement, of, of being
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a former Trotskyist movement, a Marxist movement effectively, is that they seem to be caught
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Uh, they seem to be caught between a kind of Cold War era American nationalism and, and
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anti-Russian feelings and anti-Soviet feelings.
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Uh, and they're also caught between a Zionism and that is a, a religious and ethno-nationalism
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And they're also caught between a kind of global democratic universalism.
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And, and you can see all of these factors kind of pop up in the, in the Bush administration
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where, you know, George Bush was at once this, uh, and George Bush is not a neocon himself,
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Um, uh, Bush was at once an American nationalist, a cowboy, you know, ah, good old fashioned
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Uh, and then at the other level, he, he had these just ridiculous, almost religious-like
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You know, everyone, God wants every human soul to be free or something like this.
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Um, and then at the same time, he was a Zionist, although not as hardcore of a Zionist as the
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Uh, interestingly, um, he actually, uh, spoke about, uh, a, uh, the, uh, the rights of the
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Anyway, um, so I, I think that's what a neocon is.
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They're, they're kind of caught between those things.
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And I think also the neocons are in a way history.
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Um, the, you know, it is, neocons are a very interesting movement.
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It's one we're studying and it's one that was in a way ruined by its success where it
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in, in the, you know, early two thousands, neocons really had power.
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Uh, they were, they were well-placed in the Bush administration.
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They were effectively in control of the Republican, of the conservative movement and, and Republican
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No one, you know, when I was just coming out of college, no one was, no one of any
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consequence was really questioning neocon ideology.
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And, uh, and they were in a way ruined by their success.
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Uh, we, we saw what neocons in power looked like and it looks like the Iraq war debacle
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And, uh, so in a way they, they've, they now are a very well-funded group and they are
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certainly still well-connected, but they're in a way history.
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I don't, I don't think they have much legitimacy at all.
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Um, and, uh, and in a way what the conservative movement has become, and you can see this in
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this cuck-servative phenomenon that people are, uh, talking about, which I think is just
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Uh, but the, the current conservative movement or in a way the Gentile residue of the Bush administration,
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it's the kind of non-Jewish, you know, doofuses and mediocrities or sub-mediocrities who were,
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uh, promoted by neocons or kind of the allies of the neocons who are still there and they've
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They, they, they've forgotten nothing and they forgot in everything and learned nothing.
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And they've, they, they're just, uh, they're just still there kind of saying their same
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Um, and, uh, that, that is basically what the conservative movement, uh, is today in the
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And I think this is one of the reasons why, uh, people who are more intelligent, um, who,
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who want to be part of something more real, more vital, more dynamic and forward-looking,
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I mean, the, the conservatives in America are just a big joke.
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Uh, they, they seem to kind of represent in, in, in their, in their own person, they kind
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of represent a kind of, you know, white picket fence, conservative America, Christian America.
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But in their actions, uh, they, they're just participating in the displacement of European
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Americans who are effectively their own children.
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It's why the, the cuck, the, someone who is, is cuckold, someone who is, who gets cucked
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is someone who doesn't have control of his future.
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He doesn't have control of his wife, but that's in a way the, the lesser aspect of it.
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It's about not your, your genes aren't being passed down.
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You're, you're looking after the offspring of a, of another man.
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And I think that is just a piercingly accurate portrayal of these conservative, douchey, you
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know, obese doofuses is that they're, they're, they're, you know, they want to, they want
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all these new Hispanics or Africans or Caribbeans to embrace, you know, conservative values, whatever
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But they're basically looking after other people's children and, and they are also abandoning
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And, uh, so that, that's why I think this, this whole, the whole cuck slur, it's, it's
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at one level, it's, it's like a, it's a, it's an animal of Twitter, you know, it's where
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Twitter is just built for, you know, making fun of people and being vulgar and funny and
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But so it's, it's clearly that, but at another level, calling someone a cuck servitive, I
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think is, is a piercingly accurate way of referring to them.
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You know, the Daily Beast, the filthy commie rag, they were wrote about this right wing
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civil war, you know, and trying to make sense of the word cuck servitive and just failing
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They just can't stand that there, there's another opposition that's not conservativism.
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That, that's what I've, I've, I've read all these kind of liberal or conservative
00:26:20.740
And, um, I, we're the only ones who really get it.
00:26:23.740
And, but at the same time, I think they kind of unconsciously get it because they, the reason
00:26:29.480
This is not something that just me and my Twitter followers are doing.
00:26:34.860
And it's really getting under the skin of these conservatives.
00:26:39.000
And, uh, and that's because it's, it's real, it's accurate.
00:26:42.140
What it is, it's not a civil war within conservatism or the Republican party.
00:26:47.700
Um, it's, uh, it's a, it's an identitarian, uh, uh, an alt-right or radical vanguard that
00:26:54.340
is, that is ridiculing people who, who, who are deserving of ridicule and who have nothing
00:27:04.160
I mean, I, I think that that's what it's about.
00:27:06.320
It's kind of like, we're not going to play the lesser of two evils.
00:27:09.740
We're not going to choose Coke and Pepsi every year and say, oh, well, you know, Obama's
00:27:15.120
So I guess I should just vote for Mike Huckabee this time.
00:27:20.700
You know, we're, we're saying, no, you are incapable of facing the challenges of the 21st
00:27:29.320
You're, you're stupid and worthless and we are superior to you.
00:27:36.760
The other thing, I mean, I'm sorry to get, if I'm sounding too mean or something, but
00:27:41.160
for anyone who has ever been around conservatives, conservatives, and I have the notion that these
00:27:48.880
people are the best, that these are, these are great individuals or they have the best
00:28:08.160
And in a way, I wonder, I mean, I don't know if this was a, I don't know what the, I don't
00:28:14.260
Whether it's neocons would prefer to deal with people whom they could easily control.
00:28:19.140
I mean, I think that, that probably, it's a part of it.
00:28:22.440
You know, people like Glenn Beck and people like that, they are popular in a way because
00:28:27.680
they're just goofballs and, you know, people like that.
00:28:31.700
They're, they're like, you know, people who are attracted to a evangelical televangelist
00:28:36.360
or something, you know, it's effectively, this is what this kind of thing is.
00:28:40.280
But, you know, whatever the case, if you are an intelligent person, someone with a deep
00:28:45.380
soul, someone who wants something more, who wants to change the world, you would never
00:28:53.460
It's just, there, there is, I don't know of a counter example to this.
00:28:58.460
And so, yeah, I mean, I think we're seeing this and, you know, I actually, I was, I was
00:29:03.600
emailing this person today and I mentioned this, I was kind of like, you know, the leftist
00:29:08.600
in this, during the period of the 1960s, leftist won, not because they outnumbered traditional
00:29:22.080
You know, they leftist won in the 1960s because they had the philosophy and mentality that was
00:29:28.360
dynamic, that was forward looking, that was compelling, that was dangerous.
00:29:36.960
And I, I think you might see a very, an analogous thing happening now.
00:29:41.380
I mean, the alt-right, so-called, or identitarians in North America,
00:29:46.000
we are so, the degree to which we are underfunded, the degree to which the conservative, mainstream
00:29:55.660
I mean, the, the Heritage Foundation, which is a major think tank, has a hundred and some
00:30:08.620
Like, what, what cultural battle have they won?
00:30:13.340
They have lost on every front and we are the more dynamic.
00:30:17.360
We are this group that that's underfunded, but is more powerful.
00:30:25.180
Unfortunately, and I know there's different types of Christians.
00:30:27.580
I have lots of Christians in my family, but biblical dogma has made people flat.
00:30:33.280
They become out of touch with the natural world as though it's all figured out.
00:30:36.800
And they've become boring since many are so cut off from their ancient culture, which is
00:30:45.260
They're a collection of Sunday school teachers.
00:30:51.680
I, um, I think one of, one of Christianity's powers in a way is that it is very flexible
00:30:58.160
and the Christian religion can, and this is a compliment of it.
00:31:03.460
The Christian religion can really be informed by the culture that adopts it.
00:31:09.560
And so, you know, the, the difference between Germanic Christianity that we, that we see in,
00:31:16.520
in Europe and in, in traditional Europe and the middle ages and so on and so forth, and
00:31:20.800
say the Christianity of Paul or the early Christians, I mean, the, these are two vastly
00:31:26.420
And they're also very different from, um, what I guess we would call Byzantine Christianity
00:31:34.620
The, these are very different things that I think that is what is interesting about Christianity
00:31:39.700
is that it's this monotheistic religion that is flexible and that can be informed by the
00:31:45.300
So certainly voodoo, which is a Catholic religion, uh, for, for Haitians and others, uh, that
00:31:51.840
is a, a very different type of Christianity, but it's still in a way Christian.
00:31:56.040
Um, and I, I guess, so what I mean is that Christianity can take on all these different
00:32:00.980
I think one interesting thing is that in America, it, it seems to only take on the form of leftism
00:32:07.820
or a kind of pacifism or, or a kind of simply of like, well, I want to limit immigration and
00:32:19.360
And I think that's interesting that it's happened that way, but I don't, I, yeah, I, I unfortunately
00:32:27.100
I mean, maybe you could say Orthodox Christianity in Russia, although that's something I don't
00:32:31.240
know a great deal of about that seems to, that it seems to be tied to something deeper.
00:32:36.440
It seems to be even tied to the Roman empire, uh, at some level.
00:32:41.060
And it seems to be a cultural sustaining force.
00:32:46.160
Sometimes we, we have a tendency to romanticize things that we're distanced from.
00:32:49.980
Uh, but Christianity in the Western world and, and America has, has just become a kind
00:32:58.580
Uh, it's, it's really, uh, it's, it's kind of a pathetic religion and it's a religion that
00:33:05.140
So really it's not a shame if this were to phase out, because I think he wrote somewhere
00:33:09.620
in your conservativism essay, but this is the end of something, but now we can maybe possibly
00:33:15.000
have something more primordial and powerful that can replace it.
00:33:18.840
Yeah, I hope, uh, my, I, I think to be authentic to where we are now, uh, we, we have to in a
00:33:26.740
way be authentic to the disintegration of something.
00:33:30.200
We, we can't pretend that the West is, you know, about to colonize the world and explore
00:33:37.880
the universe and this kind of Faustian West that, that existed in history and it existed
00:33:47.900
The, the, the West is a bunch of human resource directors talking about microaggressions or
00:33:53.500
the, the, the West is, is some, you know, uh, stifling, suffocating bureaucratic socialism.
00:34:01.540
The, the, the West is, you know, femen or, or, or, or people, you know, uh, you know, walking
00:34:10.120
around naked in a, in a church and screaming at people, uh, like, uh, who are those horrible,
00:34:17.980
The, the, the West is about, you know, just bourgeois Americans kind of feeling hopeless and
00:34:24.320
living in their suburban home and, and, and not, not engaging in the world and not thinking
00:34:29.480
that they have really something to defend, just hoping if, if things get so bad, they'll
00:34:37.460
The, the, what we are, we are in a nihilistic downward spiral and in order to be authentic,
00:34:45.440
And we can't pretend that, you know, uh, well, we're the wet, we're, we're white, the white
00:34:50.720
race that, you know, of Beethoven and Copernicus.
00:34:53.980
No, at the, at the moment we are a white race in a, in a deep cycle of, of degeneration.
00:34:58.900
I mean, look around, we're in a sad state folks.
00:35:04.100
You need to recognize, you have to be realistic.
00:35:06.280
And, but we, so we need to ask, you know, does this need to happen?
00:35:10.720
Can we come out the other end of this nihilistic spiral and survive it and be better?
00:35:17.180
And, you know, I, again, I, I take that Nietzschean imperative, uh, whatever doesn't kill us
00:35:24.840
Maybe this is a terrible trial that we have to go through.
00:35:27.840
And not all of us are going to make it to the mountaintop, but maybe at the end of
00:35:31.940
this trial, we'll in a way be thankful that we pursued liberalism to its very end, that
00:35:39.080
we pursued Americanism to its very end, and that we, in the end, both in the sense that
00:35:44.820
it's going to cease, but also the end in a Galien sense of the, the ultimate outcome
00:35:51.380
And that we're in a way better for it, that we, we experienced it.
00:35:56.020
And I, I think that is an authentic philosophy for our time.
00:36:03.120
That's why we should celebrate when they push hard and fast and do outrageous things and
00:36:13.320
I mean, I, I would want, I might donate money to them or something.
00:36:16.620
I want them to become even more just ridiculous.
00:36:22.600
It kind of, in a way, they're in a way pointing themselves out and, and they're, you know, uh,
00:36:33.960
And sadly, I think you said to these granola communists, I like that they're actually
00:36:37.860
personifying in our mind what we think white guilt is, right?
00:36:45.160
That's another good thing because they're all ugly.
00:36:47.780
Um, so it's great to kind of associate, you know, white guilt and universalism and stuff
00:36:53.720
with a bunch of, uh, people who no one would conceivably want to sleep with.
00:37:06.560
I, I think, you know, my, my friend in France, uh, Romain Bernard, he has this great metaphor,
00:37:10.980
which is kind of like, uh, you know, if you, you, we, we are able to see this, this, this
00:37:17.820
tidal wave coming, we're, we're able to see this, uh, terrible monsoon that's about to
00:37:28.160
Well, the problem is you can't outrun a tidal wave.
00:37:31.140
Do you stand like, like Hamlet imagined in his famous soliloquy?
00:37:34.640
You'll, you know, you'll face down all the slings and arrows.
00:37:38.360
You'll, you'll stand up waving an American flag against a tidal wave.
00:37:44.760
But what we can do is pick up a surfboard and ride the tidal wave.
00:37:52.020
And again, can we see that at the end of this great cataclysm that we're experiencing, is
00:38:02.820
Can we kind of ride this disintegration of the modern world and allow it to open up space
00:38:09.340
for the kind of, you know, deeply connected, identitarian European empire that we want
00:38:19.180
Yeah, you said, I'm going to quote you, before we have a left problem or a social justice warrior
00:38:23.900
problem or a black or Jewish problem, we have a white problem.
00:38:29.680
Well, I think, I think this has to do with the morality of white people.
00:38:34.860
And what I, in that speech, which I gave at the American Renaissance Conference, I talked
00:38:40.500
about this situation that I think most of your listeners would be aware of, which is
00:38:48.020
And I don't want to go into the details, but effectively for decades, the children of Rotherham
00:38:54.080
were being raped and abused and demeaned by a bunch of Arabs and Muslims.
00:39:07.340
And every, granted, it wasn't on the front page of the papers making headlines, but everyone
00:39:13.940
Everyone was hearing these tales, these rumors.
00:39:17.400
And yet they were afraid to investigate it because they knew that it had this racial component.
00:39:24.000
That it was a lot like cucking that we're talking about.
00:39:27.340
It is basically losing control of your future, losing control of your children, allowing your
00:39:31.360
children to be humiliated, racially humiliated.
00:39:34.780
And, you know, you could say those people, those people, the town council of Rotherham who
00:39:43.340
ignored this, who pretend, who just wanted it to go away, you could say they're a bunch
00:39:48.980
But I think just calling them cowards is in a way begging deeper questions.
00:39:53.360
Because if the perpetrators of these terrible gang rapes were white people, I am positive
00:39:59.580
that the town council of Rotherham would have prosecuted them, investigated them, you know,
00:40:06.660
made them accountable to the law and so on and so forth.
00:40:09.220
So if they were white, they wouldn't have been cowards.
00:40:13.520
And I think this gets at this, this guilt complex, this white guilt, which is in a way, a kind
00:40:21.880
And it views white consciousness and white power as the ultimate evil.
00:40:34.540
And again, that, when I say that, I'm sure that's kind of shocking, but you have to think
00:40:44.840
They are saying, we would rather that our, our children, and even if they weren't literally
00:40:48.780
their, their direct children, they were their children.
00:40:51.740
This is the city council that is responsible for the future.
00:40:54.880
We would rather have our children be brutally raped than be called a racist.
00:41:01.740
And again, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm describing this in kind of vivid terms, but I'm doing
00:41:12.640
And you have to understand that as a deeply, as a, as a morality, and that's at the heart
00:41:20.480
We can't just talk about things like our, our movement can't just be about like race
00:41:26.320
And so in a way I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, in a friendly and constructive manner, I'm, I'm
00:41:32.300
criticizing, uh, people who identify themselves as race realists, who want to talk about IQ
00:41:39.380
And this is what we just want to keep talking about is that, oh, you know, blacks IQ, uh,
00:41:45.920
It's, they can't go to, we can't give them affirmative action to go to college because
00:41:56.320
If we're going to really change things, we need to access that, that moral aspect of
00:42:01.900
We, and, and, and I'm talking about white people, you know, you, you could also question
00:42:06.160
this way, you know, you could look at like, oh, the, the Frankfurt school or so-called
00:42:11.260
cultural Marxists, they've been so devastating.
00:42:14.100
Well, why is it that this very small group of people were able to be this devastating?
00:42:26.320
There were, if it wasn't that they resonated with something in the hearts and minds of white
00:42:31.240
people, you, you can't really force people to adopt these, you know, an ideology.
00:42:37.700
If it's just totally alien, you, you can't force people to, you know, become, you know,
00:42:44.840
the, the, the cargo cult or, you know, voodoo or something that, that would never have taken
00:42:52.660
But there was something about this, this deep ideology that is anti-white, that's anti-white
00:42:59.380
It's anti-white consciousness that, that got a hold of our people at some level.
00:43:04.340
And we need to understand why and where that is.
00:43:07.120
What, what is the moral, you know, mindscape of whites that they accept their own displacement?
00:43:12.700
And that is, you know, you can talk about this idea of immigration's really bad or there,
00:43:18.560
there's people, this is, this is the effectively white genocide or whatever.
00:43:22.180
You can, you can talk about that all day long without getting to the fact that most white
00:43:29.900
And most white people think that people like me and you are evil, that we're in a way worse
00:43:40.200
They'll allow a murderer to be reformed, but someone who has a European consciousness
00:43:44.800
and once, what cares about the future of European children, once imagines a, a, a, a,
00:43:51.720
a future of a great European empire, that kind of person is deeply evil, that that person
00:43:58.420
should be ashamed, that we need to point out that person, that we need to hold, as happened
00:44:03.440
to me last fall, we need to hold town meetings in which we discuss this person that we didn't
00:44:10.340
But, but, but who thinks these thoughts, God, we need to have everyone come together
00:44:24.620
So I, I think in a way this is, if we do want to change the world, this is the most important
00:44:34.800
And I noticed a lot of white people who aren't on this page, they get so uncomfortable when
00:44:39.520
you bring up white, white privilege, white guilt.
00:44:42.540
Let's actually get to the meat of this and really talk about it.
00:44:45.500
It's almost like dealing with a mind control victim or someone that's been mentally abused
00:44:50.400
They just, they, they go on the defense, like the program kicks in.
00:44:54.580
I mean, white people have in a way been mentally abused.
00:44:57.660
You know, that, that's not a bad, a bad way of talking about it.
00:45:00.840
Um, they, they have, I mean, and I think this, this shows a kind of generational divide
00:45:05.620
of between kind of older conservatives who, who want to go back to some, you know, imagined
00:45:12.060
1950s era where all Americans were patriotic and good and loved each other or something.
00:45:18.000
And, and people who are, who are my age, remember, I'm not exactly a young person.
00:45:22.380
I'm actually 37, uh, but who have basically experienced nothing but anti-European leftism
00:45:31.080
in education, in the media and the world and what's being taught.
00:45:34.740
I mean, we, we are in a way, uh, uh, victims where we're, we've been mentally abused, mentally
00:45:41.980
And, uh, you know, this is the kind of thing we, we need to talk about.
00:45:52.140
And that's what I also, I mean, I am an idealist in, in the, in the sense that I, I believe how
00:45:57.560
we understand things, our consciousness is what changes the world.
00:46:02.380
Um, I don't really believe in, I mean, at some level, this might shock people.
00:46:06.520
I, I don't fundamentally worry about demographics in the sense that, you know, oh, we have between
00:46:13.280
11 and 20 million illegal immigrants and whites are going to become a minority in 2042 or whatever.
00:46:19.880
I don't worry about any of that because if whites had the right consciousness, none of
00:46:27.580
Like, you know, illegal immigrants and all Hispanic immigrants in America, they came here
00:46:37.160
We can do it in a completely peaceful fashion, uh, with, you know, we can change everything
00:46:46.800
And, and that is because our, our consciousness and our ideals and our ideas are more powerful
00:46:56.100
I, I, the way we understand the world is more important than the actual world.
00:47:01.360
Like we can, we can change reality if we think it, if we're willing to dream it.
00:47:08.520
Um, but you know, if we're only concentrate, if we only concentrate on the atoms or, you
00:47:13.760
know, oh, the, some demographic statistic, we're just, again, we're just begging the question.
00:47:24.940
And if you raise your kids right, I say this all the time, armor them with the truth and
00:47:28.840
teach them to love their people and love who they are.
00:47:31.960
It doesn't matter what comes at them, what people say, none of it will get into their
00:47:38.640
Oh, I, again, I, I love social justice warriors.
00:47:47.860
They don't, they don't affect me in the slightest outside of entertainment.
00:47:52.460
So, you know, it's because I have the right attitude.
00:47:55.940
I mean, that seems almost trite to say, have a good attitude, but it's right.
00:48:00.800
You know, when you have the right consciousness, people like, you know, Pussy Riot or Femin
00:48:05.580
or Barack Obama or Mike Huckabee or whomever in Europe or whatever, you know, these people
00:48:11.640
melt away because you're able to see through them and you're able to see a future beyond them.
00:48:17.020
Now, how do you think a lot of white people, especially conservatives, are going to handle
00:48:24.100
Are they just going to kind of surrender to this monoglob or is something else going to
00:48:29.400
Well, that, that's a very good question because it's a, it's a psychological question.
00:48:32.640
And, you know, I'm, I'm thinking of the, uh, what is it?
00:48:35.360
The five stages of guilt, the Kubler-Ross model of, of denial.
00:48:39.760
Denial, anger, bargaining, uh, depression, acceptance, or something like that.
00:48:44.520
I think whites might go through something like that.
00:48:47.640
Um, I, I would say that the, the way that I would describe their psychology now is somewhere
00:48:55.060
at denial and, and maybe even bargaining stage of, of mourning.
00:49:00.960
And they, they seem to deny that this is happening.
00:49:04.020
And it's, and it's in a way one is able to deny it's happening because America is a radically
00:49:10.140
I mean, you can go live in a, a suburb in Ohio or, or even you can go live in Manhattan
00:49:14.600
Island and in a way only see white people with the occasional Hispanic bus boy.
00:49:20.780
Uh, so I, I think, you know, people, people are in that denial stage, but I think they're
00:49:27.180
I would say that white conservatives now, what they imagine is that the demographics are
00:49:34.220
going to change, but nothing will really change.
00:49:36.340
So, you know, we're going to convince all of these Hispanics that they should embrace,
00:49:41.760
you know, the flag and God and the constitution and Sarah Palin.
00:49:46.340
And so it will just all be the same, you know, people will just have different skin color or
00:49:50.520
So in a way they're, they're kind of, and the Republican party will benefit from this,
00:49:54.480
of course, you know, cause Hispanics are natural conservatives as we know.
00:49:58.160
And I think that's the kind of diluted bargaining that they're engaging in, uh, that, you know,
00:50:05.660
the demographics will change, but nothing will change.
00:50:08.040
And I think in a way that the whole Donald Trump phenomenon is that kind of, that, that
00:50:14.700
kind of creeping unconscious awareness that things really are going to change and that
00:50:21.380
we might need some kind of tough guy, some kind of fascistic oligarch to hold back the tide of
00:50:29.080
color or something. I, I think that this is how I would describe the, the, the consciousness of,
00:50:35.340
of conservatives. But, but again, I don't know what will happen once we get, you know, decades on,
00:50:42.100
uh, that whether they'll really pass through the bargaining stage and, and, and, and pass through
00:50:47.980
to identity. I mean, this is the kind of question, will they, will whites pass through to a stage
00:50:52.480
of, of, you know, depression and acceptance where they basically accept their own displacement?
00:50:58.700
Uh, they, they just basically don't see any kind of future for their children or will some of us
00:51:05.340
at least pass through the stage with a heightened awareness of identity? And remember, you know,
00:51:11.560
identity is, you need an other to have an identity. I mean, that, that's an important thing
00:51:17.960
that we sometimes forget. Um, you know, if, if you're only around Protestant white people,
00:51:24.820
uh, you're going to kind of think that the entire world is Protestant white people. And that leads to
00:51:31.320
a certain naivete that leads to all sorts of different things. And I, I think that in a way,
00:51:38.020
maybe some of us are going to confront the other and, and, and see the other. And, and, and then
00:51:47.340
finally, maybe see our own reflection and the other's eyes and in a way, understand who we are.
00:51:53.300
Um, so, you know, is this going to, is, is the fact that we're bringing in these millions of,
00:52:00.960
of Hispanics and foreign, you know, and Hispanics, it's kind of a stupid demographic name. We're
00:52:06.360
bringing in all of these people who are racially and culturally radically different, who have a
00:52:10.620
different history. Um, if we bring these in, will, will we finally be able to understand who we are?
00:52:16.460
And I think that that is what will happen. Um, I, I think that some of us will recognize that.
00:52:22.400
And I also think that our movement wouldn't have a future unless we thought like this,
00:52:28.940
whether we thought that we would be the outcome, you know, a lot of conservatives
00:52:32.980
like to think of themselves as kind of beautiful losers that, you know, we're like Hamlet. We'll go
00:52:40.640
up against the slings and arrows and we'll kind of die valiantly in some great suicide mission where
00:52:46.180
we're, we're the last people defending faith and tradition, uh, against the onslaught of liberalism
00:52:52.180
or something. And, you know, that's their consciousness. A lot of paleo-conservatives
00:52:57.120
so-called or traditionalists is, is essentially they see themselves as a noble suicide. Well,
00:53:03.720
I don't think like that. I think that we should see ourselves as the outcome of this historical
00:53:09.560
trajectory that we are experiencing right now and that we have a future that at the end of the day,
00:53:15.980
after America's collapsed, after, uh, after, uh, whites are 20% of the population that those who
00:53:24.160
survive it and who experience it will have a hard core to their identity. That's right. They will be
00:53:30.300
new people. And so in a way that sense, I, I'm the ultimate progressive and I have a great deal of
00:53:37.600
hope for the future. And I think that we are part of, we are the, we are part of the force of history.
00:53:43.020
Exactly. I mean, this is nothing new. This has been in history and populations do ebb and flow
00:53:48.560
and some tribes die where others stay alive. Uh, I mean, for me, I'm like, okay, if we have a
00:53:54.400
hundred thousand really intelligent, aware white people who made it through this, we can get the
00:53:59.740
population up again. You know, I want, I want quality. I want quality, not quantity is what I'm
00:54:05.320
saying. Think about the origins of the white race in the ice age. I mean, how, how many,
00:54:10.420
how many of us were there? Uh, a couple thousand, maybe a couple hundred at some, I mean, we, we,
00:54:16.640
we forget, we don't, we don't need billions. You know, we, we need a hard core of, of real people
00:54:24.020
who will fight and who know who they are. That's all we need.
00:54:29.640
Now, I wanted to ask you this left versus right. I hear so many people in alt media saying, you know,
00:54:35.220
I'm beyond that, but is it even truly possible? Cause everything in our world that is about
00:54:39.400
opposing forces, even our brain is two hemispheres. So can we be beyond left and right?
00:54:46.340
Wow. Um, that's a very good way of thinking about it. Uh, I think there probably are two levels to
00:54:52.580
this. Uh, I, I think there's, there's the superficial level and, and I would say that that's the kind of
00:54:58.980
thing where you take some of these stupid Facebook quizzes and they'll tell you who you are kind of
00:55:03.640
thing of like, Oh, do you support abortion? Uh, do you support environmental regulations? Do you
00:55:09.100
support the Iraq war? Oh, okay. We, we've determined you're a centrist liberal or something. I think in
00:55:14.680
terms of that, those kinds of stupid slide rules, uh, we are definitely well beyond that kind of
00:55:21.260
nonsense. Um, and, and as, as I said, you know, earlier in this conversation, we should never think
00:55:26.460
of ourselves as, you know, conservatives only more so, you know, Mike Huckabee on steroids. That's,
00:55:34.160
that's the last thing we want to be. So I think we're definitely beyond left and right in that sense.
00:55:38.880
But, but I agree with what you're saying that there almost needs to be attention to us. And I,
00:55:45.560
I think that's a very interesting idea. And I, I can kind of go back to what I was talking about,
00:55:50.020
the neoconservatives, uh, why they are an interesting movement is because they actually have attention
00:55:55.100
in there that there's a tension between American nationalism and, uh, Jewish Zionism and a kind
00:56:02.680
of global, you know, democratic universalism. And they're kind of fighting between those energies
00:56:09.940
within their hearts that they're divided onto themselves, you know, kind of thing. And that's
00:56:14.820
why they're interesting. And I think that we should have that tension too. I think maybe you can think
00:56:19.460
of a lot of these really productive tensions, like the tension between our Faustian spirit
00:56:24.860
and our traditional spirit. And I, I think you, you and I are probably alike in this way that
00:56:29.900
we're, we're kind of caught between two, uh, two drives of like, we, we want to be,
00:56:36.160
we want to be traditionalists. We understand the value of family and home and like the little things
00:56:42.120
and things that are organic and, and, and, and homemade and, and, and so on and so forth. Like
00:56:47.360
that has a deep power for us as it does for a lot of people. And that's a good thing,
00:56:52.520
but we're also torn between our desire to explore the universe and get in a build, you know,
00:57:01.120
the fact that Americans have abandoned NASA, abandoned man, space travel, we haven't been
00:57:06.440
it. It is truly sad. And, and I know that there are some, maybe some technical reasons,
00:57:11.440
but I wonder if all those technical reasons are just rationalizations for our own cowardly
00:57:16.400
nature. Uh, you know, I, there, there was something that, that Faustian soul that you
00:57:20.880
can see in, in, uh, you know, Stanley Kubrick's 2001, um, that kind of desire to transcend ourselves.
00:57:29.060
And I think in a way that to go back to that tension, that tension between traditionalism
00:57:34.360
on the one hand and, and a kind of Faustian spirit on the other, I think that's a really
00:57:39.060
productive tension that makes us better. And I think that could be the kind of left, right
00:57:45.480
divide of the future, you know, that, that, that, that is this thing where it's a, it's
00:57:49.800
an unending battle. You never solve it, you know? Um, but it, it kind of inspires us and
00:57:55.860
there'll be great people on, on each side of it. And, uh, I, I think that could be the
00:58:00.820
great, you know, left, right dialectic of the future.
00:58:04.340
I like that. Very good. Well, I wanted to ask you the last question before we talk all
00:58:07.600
about the conference, but I'm curious. So how do you both plan to raise your child
00:58:12.180
knowing all of this? Well, I don't want to get too personal, but, um, you know, I, I,
00:58:18.080
maybe this, maybe this sounds kind of funny, but, um, I, I have a very laid back attitude
00:58:24.660
towards children. And, um, I, I don't, I think that they're going to be okay. I think
00:58:32.800
that I'm not going to, um, I don't, and I would say this, this is not just me. I would
00:58:37.780
say this for, for anyone who thinks like us who have children, I don't think we should
00:58:42.040
indoctrinate them. Uh, I don't think we should make them read, you know, our books or listen
00:58:48.560
to this podcast at age seven so that we, you know, we, I just, I think we should just allow
00:58:53.980
them to be children and we're going to inherently instill in them our values, uh, even if we're
00:59:01.340
not trying to. And, and, and we've inherently instilled our values in them genetically.
00:59:06.880
That's right. Yeah. And so I think that we should be very laid back and I don't want
00:59:12.860
to force children to be anything. And, and as you know, if you, particularly with young
00:59:17.580
men, but also with young women, if you try to force them to be something, they're going
00:59:21.180
to do the exact opposite. That's right. Oh yeah. They rebel against their parents. That's
00:59:24.800
what they do. The grand strategy, I guess, would be to maybe be a social justice warrior.
00:59:29.620
Exactly. Uh, so I, I, I don't, I just want to be very laid back. I, I don't, and you
00:59:35.480
know, I, I don't want them to feel like they're burdened by, you know, the fact that I, I'm
00:59:42.100
a, a radical intellectual. I, I just want them to, to just be their own, their own person
00:59:49.040
and just to, uh, uh, they, they can find their own path and they're going to have to. So that,
00:59:55.220
that's kind of, that's my late laid back advice.
00:59:59.260
It's true. And you plant little seeds along the way. I mean, there's certain things I laughed
01:00:02.600
that my grandmother, my parents said that actually they were right, you know, and then
01:00:06.500
you change in your twenties and then you see it different in your thirties. So what's it
01:00:10.280
going to be like later? You know? Yeah, no, it's, it's funny. I, I, I, I see a lot of
01:00:15.080
myself in my paternal grandfather. I, he was a big bourbon drinker. I, I, these are little
01:00:19.980
things, but they're in a way kind of telling things, you know, I, I kind of, I, I like that.
01:00:24.220
I, I, once 9 30 PM hits, I like to go get my glass and get a good bourbon and kind of
01:00:31.120
maybe do a little bit of work or read a little and, you know, look outside. I kind of have
01:00:35.700
his mentality. Um, I've recently discovered traditional shaving, you know, shaving with
01:00:41.240
a brush and, you know, art, you know, organic artisan soaps and safety razor. I, these are
01:00:46.900
kind of silly things and they're not, they're definitely not political or something, but I,
01:00:50.800
I kind of, you, you do kind of become, you become your grandparents in, in maybe a good
01:00:56.120
way. There's certain nuances in European culture. I never want to see go like table manners or
01:01:00.900
chivalry. There, there's certain aspects that, that I love and it would be so sad to see that
01:01:05.440
disappear. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, this gets back to what I was talking about. Like the left
01:01:10.360
and right of the future is going to be this, this tension between our, our Faustian nature and,
01:01:15.480
and our, and our traditional in nature, that idea for, for little things, you know, little
01:01:20.360
ways of doing things that, that are inefficient actually, but, but are the best.
01:01:26.580
Well, of course we must talk about your conference and it's on Halloween, isn't it? In DC.
01:01:31.700
Uh, yes. I, I kind of, I find that amusing. Uh, you know, the, the ghouls and goblins will
01:01:38.060
be out. Exactly. That's what, that's maybe what our enemies will see it as. So we could come,
01:01:42.600
we could come dress like a social justice warriors, right? That would be hilarious. Yes,
01:01:47.680
I would support that. Um, uh, yeah, I, it's, it's going to be a lot of fun and, and, you
01:01:52.620
know, I've done a, I've done a number of conferences now and I, I try to get better at
01:01:57.920
them and I try to, in a way, try to be critical of myself. Like what did I do right? What did
01:02:02.360
I do wrong? And, you know, a couple of lessons that I've learned is that you need to have great
01:02:09.620
speakers, uh, because that, you know, that, that's the kind of headline of the conference
01:02:14.100
and that's what people see. And so I, I've really tried to get some great ones. Like, um,
01:02:19.280
people who have been on your radio programs, Kevin McDonald, uh, Guillaume Fay, Jack Donovan,
01:02:24.440
Keith Preston, Keith Preston, who's great because he's kind of in a way, not part of our movement.
01:02:29.780
I mean, he's an anarchist, but he's someone who's willing to talk to us and talk with us and who we
01:02:35.340
can learn from. So I, I think that's great. My friend Romain will be there. Michael Hill,
01:02:39.200
who's actually a Southern nationalist, uh, is going to be there. I added him a little bit later
01:02:43.580
because, um, I thought it was just necessary because of this, this attack on Southern heritage
01:02:48.580
that is ongoing. Um, and then Robert Taylor is actually going to be there. He's, he's from the
01:02:53.180
band changes and he's actually going to perform, uh, some music for us. So, so basically I felt that
01:02:58.900
you have to have great speakers, but at the, the, the dirty secret of conferences is that people
01:03:03.420
ultimately don't come to hear the speakers, you know, they, uh, I can go up there and bloviate,
01:03:09.060
but truly people are there to meet people and just to be together. And so that's why I've,
01:03:16.980
I've really tried to make this conference as a, as a communal event with entertainment and festivities
01:03:24.800
and, and, and socializing. So we're going to actually have the, the meat of the conference will
01:03:29.660
take place, uh, you know, on October 31st, Halloween during the day. And so we'll have
01:03:35.060
speeches and, and, you know, there'll be some exhibitors and so on and so forth. We'll have
01:03:39.780
very good food. And, and then actually in the evening, um, we're going to be a little more laid
01:03:44.340
back. So we're going to get, you know, it's going to be casual, no ties allowed. Uh, there'll be, uh,
01:03:49.840
food, um, that will be very good food, but it'll be kind of, you, you get to take it, you know,
01:03:55.040
pick it up, pick up your plate, walk around, meet people. There'll be a bar actually in the room
01:04:00.280
where we were, uh, at, at the evening. So everyone will be, uh, thoroughly lubricated and marinated
01:04:06.100
and, and, you know, Robert Taylor will perform. We'll have some other people talking. So,
01:04:11.120
you know, my hope is that, you know, by, and then actually, you know, we're in the heart of
01:04:15.640
Washington DC. So, uh, Washington DC, I guess is a terrible place. It's the belly of the beast,
01:04:21.120
but it's also a place where they've got good bars and, and, you know, it's a big city. And so,
01:04:26.760
you know, my hope is that, you know, midnight of, uh, October 31st, November 1st, people will have
01:04:32.880
forgotten most of the stuff they, most speeches they listened to, but they will have made new
01:04:38.520
friends and they would have had a good time and are kind of drunk. That, that is my goal. And
01:04:43.880
it's Halloween. We can celebrate a pagan celebration. I find too, it's almost like
01:04:49.420
ethno church. It's like a holy feeling when like-minded people get together. That's what
01:04:53.820
I've experienced when I've gone to a couple of these conferences. Now it's, that's how I can
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explain it. It's a holy feeling when all these people come together.
01:05:01.360
It, it absolutely is. I mean, and, and that's why I think that that's in a way why Christianity
01:05:06.700
is still, still going, even though very few people really truly believe in it. Um, and, and that is
01:05:14.040
that it's just about coming together on Sunday. It's a ritual. It's about singing in a choir.
01:05:18.680
There's something deeply therapeutic about singing. I mean, I, I mean, as most people,
01:05:23.080
I love singing in the shower or, you know, uh, when I'm driving around, you know, you know,
01:05:27.860
there's something wonderful about singing, about resonating and, and people singing in a choir.
01:05:33.580
It's, it's euphoric, you know, when you're in tune with your neighbor. And I think that's kind
01:05:38.780
of what we're doing where, um, we might do a little communal singing. In fact, we can find a song
01:05:44.000
that we all know, but yeah, it's about being in tune with your neighbor and sitting next to
01:05:47.960
someone who's on the same page with you. And yeah, that it is absolutely, it is, it is like
01:05:52.860
church and the best way. I think sometimes our conferences have been a little bit too much
01:05:57.760
like graduate school in the sense that, you know, we all go and a presenter speaks and we
01:06:04.120
ask questions. And I think that's good because this, this is an intellectual movement, but it
01:06:08.340
can't only be about that. You know, we, we can't, we can't let that predominate over the
01:06:14.680
social aspects about meeting people and drinking and making jokes and so on and so forth. And,
01:06:20.980
and so, so hopefully that will be, you know, what, uh, uh, you know, what we can accomplish
01:06:27.520
Well, we'll definitely be there too, but let everyone know how they can get tickets.
01:06:31.500
Well, uh, the best way is you could just Google NPI conference, um, become who we are,
01:06:38.580
my name or something like that. That would probably lead you there.
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Or you could go to npievents.com. So that's, uh, N, N as in Nancy, P as in Peter, I as in
01:06:48.840
Indiana, events.com. And, uh, you can register there. Uh, we actually, for, for, we actually
01:06:55.940
also have some events that are coinciding with the conference. There's a dinner on Friday
01:06:59.900
and a brunch on Sunday. And, uh, but you, but you know, you would just, just come. We
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actually have still, we still have about, I think we have nine remaining of a millennial
01:07:10.640
tickets. And so if you are 30 years old or younger, you can actually attend everything,
01:07:16.280
get the food, get everything for a hundred dollars. And so we, we've really subsidized
01:07:21.340
things for younger people because we know that, you know, a, we like to have younger
01:07:25.560
people there, but we also know that, uh, you know, young people are dealing with a terrible
01:07:30.020
economy and student loan debt and all that kind of nonsense. We want to make it a lot easier.
01:07:34.240
And, uh, so yeah, I mean, I just, I really hope people come. I, I, it's going to be intellectually
01:07:40.700
stimulating. I can guarantee that just because, you know, we have McDonald and Faye and Jack
01:07:45.440
Donovan, Preston, me, Michael Hill. Uh, but I think more than that, uh, it's going to be,
01:07:52.720
you know, socially invigorating. It, you really will, you'll feel a part of something. And I think
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that's, that's really the whole point of it. So, you know, MPI events.com, you can go there,
01:08:04.440
you can register and, uh, you know, hopefully you can be at the, uh, the ghoulish, uh, Halloween
01:08:11.340
fest on October 31st. Well, Richard, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. I've really enjoyed
01:08:16.700
this. Oh, the pleasure is mine. Thank you. To our East coast listeners, get your butt to the NPI
01:08:22.080
conference in Washington, DC on Halloween. I know it'll be worth it. You can meet up with like-minded
01:08:27.720
folks. Be yourself and think subversive thoughts in the belly of the beast. Sounds like fun to me.
01:08:33.540
As I said, there really is something special when we can come together and focus our intentions and
01:08:38.540
goals. It's important to do this regularly in my view for morale, for folkhood, for strategic
01:08:44.080
planning and reassessing. But of course there's a massive spiritual element to this as well.
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We'll be there. So hope to see you there. Go to NPI events.com to get a ticket. And don't forget,
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you can hear all our programs found in our archives by signing up for a Red Ice membership.
01:08:58.940
Radio 314 interviews are free for a year and a half before we archive them. Our archives are
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incredibly diverse. We haven't always been so unapologetically pro-European, that's for sure.
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But as Richard said, it's a valuable aspect that many of us have taken different paths
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to get to where we are now having this conversation. Have a great evening. We'll talk soon.