Radio 3Fourteen - Cuckservatives_ Social Justice Warriors _ The White Problem

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.520 Welcome, everyone. This is Lana joining you for the next hour. 0.86

00:00:49.240 I think you'll enjoy this interview with Richard Spencer, who is the president of the National Policy Institutes and editor of Washington Summit Publishers and Radix Journal.

00:00:58.340 He attended University of Virginia and University of Chicago and was a doctoral student at Duke University before dropping out to pursue a life of thought crime.

00:01:08.340 He's one of those guys who you can talk to about anything and nothing shocks him, which is a good thing.

00:01:12.960 So sit back and enjoy as we make fun of cuck-servatives, social justice warriors, and libertarians. 0.96

00:01:18.660 But we'll take some twists and turns along the way.

00:01:21.320 Richard Spencer, welcome and thanks for being here.

00:01:23.960 Well, thanks for having me, Lana. It's my pleasure.

00:01:25.680 Well, I feel like I already know you because I've watched your presentations, I've read your articles, but I'm sure there's a whole lot more to you.

00:01:32.600 No, there's really nothing.

00:01:35.920 I'm a complete monster outside of my online persona.

00:01:40.280 No, it is funny.

00:01:41.340 We do feel like we know each other electronically because we know each other's thoughts on Twitter.

00:01:49.300 We've read each other's articles.

00:01:50.740 When you listen to a podcast, it's almost like you're overhearing a conversation or you're taking part in the conversation sometimes.

00:01:57.120 So it is kind of funny.

00:01:58.600 I mean, I don't think electronic friendships should ever replace real-world friendships, the kind of friendship where you borrow someone's butter or a cup of flour or something.

00:02:11.740 But nevertheless, they are real, and it is kind of amazing that we can interact in this way.

00:02:17.440 I think it's really a great thing.

00:02:18.940 And, you know, we would never know each other without the Internet and things like that.

00:02:24.300 Our movement certainly wouldn't exist in the form that it is now without the Internet.

00:02:28.100 So it's a great thing.

00:02:29.680 Well, I wanted to ask you, since you're in Montana, what is the political and social climate like there these days?

00:02:35.000 Is it a bunch of cowboys still that are more rebellious, or what's going on there?

00:02:39.840 Well, yeah, I'm not really connected with anything political in Montana.

00:02:44.140 I think Montana is one of those interesting places where it shows you how politics would probably be different if there weren't that racial component that we have that certainly informs the kind of left-right divide in the country.

00:03:01.820 So you actually will have Democrats like Schweitzer and some others who are kind of – they're not leftist.

00:03:12.040 They're kind of, you know, good old boys who will get some federal handouts for the logging industry or something.

00:03:18.800 It's a kind of – they're not trying to subvert society, and they're in a way – they're the kind of people that you would want to have a beer with.

00:03:28.400 So it's a very different climate.

00:03:30.920 So you actually do have a stronger Democratic Party out here.

00:03:35.600 But I would say that the general mentality is one of just leave me alone kind of libertarianism.

00:03:41.660 And, you know, there's so much space out here that that kind of deeply American mentality still makes sense, where you can kind of – you can be self-sufficient.

00:03:51.880 You can kind of get away from it all.

00:03:53.200 You can go off the grid.

00:03:54.080 And so I think that is the de facto and very natural political mentality of people in Montana.

00:04:02.420 But I think in a way – so in a way, I'm very disconnected from that.

00:04:05.520 I mean, I respect that, and that's how I like to be.

00:04:08.520 You know, I would love for people to just leave me alone sometimes.

00:04:12.380 But I think in a way that kind of American libertarianism is totally inadequate for facing the challenges of the 21st century, the geopolitical challenges and the racial challenges certainly.

00:04:28.540 And in a way, also the moral challenges.

00:04:31.780 And so I think it's something that is – you know, it is very natural and understandable and admirable.

00:04:37.260 But I think it's something we need to overcome.

00:04:38.880 I think we need to start thinking about things that are different, that are more than just leave me alone, dude.

00:04:46.780 Yeah, it also seems that libertarianism would only potentially work with like-minded or like-cultured white people because try and teach the Somali population about the non-aggression principle or anarcho-capitalism and see how that goes, right?

00:04:59.440 Right.

00:04:59.960 Well, this is an interesting thing because, you know, things like liberal – you know, we're talking about classical liberalism in a way.

00:05:06.580 And that we think of these as these abstract ideas, but they really do have a social basis.

00:05:11.420 They have an anthropology, so to speak.

00:05:13.500 And if you see where libertarianism works, it works in, say, Switzerland, which is a multi – well, maybe not multicultural, quite, society.

00:05:23.660 It's certainly a multilinguistic and a multicultural society where you have four different languages.

00:05:29.060 And there is a kind of – and it's also an entirely white population, very good immigration control.

00:05:34.720 So libertarianism kind of makes sense in that context where it's just leave me alone.

00:05:39.860 Let's keep our distance.

00:05:41.140 Let's be neutral.

00:05:41.980 We're surrounded by big, dangerous powers like, you know, Prussia or Germany or France, the Austrian government empire. 0.72

00:05:49.660 Let's be neutral.

00:05:50.740 This kind of liberalism has a historic – a history to it, and it makes sense.

00:05:55.420 Certainly libertarianism makes sense in the American frontier where you can always move.

00:06:00.820 You can always keep going, where our kind of rugged individualism is not just – you know, it's necessary.

00:06:08.540 In fact, it's not just an admirable trait.

00:06:11.620 And so I think there is this kind of history.

00:06:15.080 There's an anthropology to liberalism that we sometimes forget.

00:06:18.800 But, you know, as I said before, I think in a way these kinds of things, their time has come and gone.

00:06:25.320 We don't have the luxury of saying, just leave me alone or let's build a fence around my neighbor and the world that we live in.

00:06:34.740 We need to think geopolitically.

00:06:36.980 We need to think in terms of our shared, broader identity.

00:06:40.880 We need to think racially.

00:06:42.160 And, you know, that's really the challenge that we have to face.

00:06:46.080 It's one which, you know, again, where just leave me alone is not going to be adequate.

00:06:51.160 Yeah, I know all kinds of different libertarians, but there are some that are just, hey, well, if the market dictates it, but it's population replacement.

00:06:57.800 Well, if that's what the market wants, it's like, okay. 0.80

00:07:00.620 Well, those people are truly awful.

00:07:02.580 I was in a way giving a generous portrait of libertarians as, but yes, the kind of left libertarian who, they are truly heinous individuals.

00:07:16.540 And it's kind of funny because it's not even a kind of, it's not even a just leave me alone.

00:07:22.300 It's an absolute positive affirmation of, you know, whatever new, you know, sexual or degenerate innovation they can think of.

00:07:33.580 That is inherently good.

00:07:35.780 You know, it's, you, these kind of left libertarians, they don't recognize the idea of like a community would want to be religiously defined or a community would want to exclude people.

00:07:46.420 That's not acceptable for them.

00:07:47.880 You know, you, you have to let in, uh, all sorts of, uh, new perversions.

00:07:52.640 That's truly being libertarian.

00:07:54.080 I guess the irony of the left libertarians is that they ultimately require a global government in order to enforce, you know, tolerance of whatever new degeneracy they come up with.

00:08:06.920 Um, so they, they, they kind of, in a way, the left libertarian is at a kind of always an inherently contradictory outlook.

00:08:13.940 Um, but, you know, they, they couldn't accept the idea that a little town in Montana would say, we are a, uh, we are a Protestant town and no blacks or anything like that.

00:08:26.120 They could freely choose that.

00:08:27.980 That could, that could be their, their, their cultural decision that, that is totally consensual.

00:08:33.480 Yet that would be unacceptable to them.

00:08:35.600 Um, and that's in a way that kind of a more accurate portrayal of the kind of libertarians or liberals or leftists that we're dealing with.

00:08:44.060 Um, they, they, they, they're anti-freedom at the end of the day.

00:08:47.700 Now, how did you come to where you are politically?

00:08:50.160 What route did you take?

00:08:51.200 Were you a conservative or libertarian?

00:08:53.520 Uh, I, I, I took a twisting road.

00:08:58.860 Uh, but then at the same time, I, I, I do believe in, in Nietzsche's, uh, imperative of become who you are.

00:09:06.620 And, uh, that's actually the title of this, you know, conference that we're, we're holding.

00:09:10.620 But, so I, I feel like I've never really changed.

00:09:13.380 Uh, but then I certainly did take a lot of different paths.

00:09:17.000 Um, I, I, I remember when I was a kid, I probably was a conservative,

00:09:21.520 maybe in the same way that a lot of people root on Donald Trump in the sense that he's,

00:09:28.700 I, I kind of wanted to root on the team that was kind of the boldest or the most badass or the toughest guy.

00:09:35.140 So I, I remember I, um, would write these little essays when I was in middle school,

00:09:40.060 why I thought, uh, uh, Pat Buchanan was a great guy.

00:09:44.620 And this is when he ran for president in the early, uh, 1992.

00:09:47.400 And, uh, I remember I actually found one where I defended David Duke when he ran for president.

00:09:55.040 Uh, I wonder what my teacher thought about that one.

00:09:58.220 Uh, but yeah, so I just, I kind of had, I liked Ross Perot.

00:10:01.300 You know, I basically just liked people who I saw as kind of tough guys and bold and, you know, things like that.

00:10:07.740 Um, but I, I think when I became a young adult, I, in a way was more attracted to the left and the far left.

00:10:14.800 Uh, I, I was, I, I, as I, as I started to gain, you know, a philosophic and political consciousness,

00:10:22.160 uh, I really saw that there was something deeply wrong with the world.

00:10:27.160 I saw some, some nihilism at the very heart of American life.

00:10:32.420 Uh, and I guess what, what I was reacting against was, uh, you could say it's the, the Walmartization

00:10:38.340 or the, it's the triumph of the last man as, as Nietzsche defined him, uh, the triumph of someone

00:10:43.180 who's totally self-satisfied with consuming and buying and selling.

00:10:48.500 There's no ideal beyond, you know, can I get a new low price, uh, microwave?

00:10:55.780 Uh, and I really wanted to reject that.

00:10:58.200 I wanted something else.

00:10:58.980 So I, I actually was very interested in critical theory and the, you know, Frankfurt school.

00:11:03.100 Uh, I, I was, I've always been deeply interested in Nietzsche.

00:11:07.340 He's probably, you know, inspired me more than any other, you know, writer or thinker.

00:11:12.340 Uh, but I was, I was very, in a way like, uh, you know, this is 15 years ago now.

00:11:17.140 I was almost kind of a leftist, you know, I was anti-capitalist.

00:11:20.120 Capitalism was destroying culture and humanity and all that kind of stuff.

00:11:24.120 Oh yeah.

00:11:24.420 That was, that was really my consciousness.

00:11:25.940 And, and I look back at it now and I, I obviously am different to a certain degree, but I understand

00:11:31.460 myself.

00:11:32.040 I'm not one of those people who, um, and there are some of these people, I think, believe

00:11:36.560 it or not, even Kevin McDonald seemed to have taken a turn like this, uh, where they, they

00:11:41.400 were real genuine leftist and then they, they, they woke up and they really changed.

00:11:45.840 It wasn't like that for me.

00:11:47.100 I can kind of recognize the, the man who I am now and the, and the young man, uh, who

00:11:53.040 I was, uh, you know, in college and graduate school where I was, um, probably closer to

00:11:57.900 being a leftist, uh, than anything.

00:12:01.060 I think that's good because I don't, I don't think our movement's going to get anywhere

00:12:04.300 if it, if we just come from the right only.

00:12:07.100 Sure.

00:12:07.460 I agree.

00:12:08.340 Or, or, or if we, the other thing that I always hate is this notion that we are like

00:12:13.720 the Republican party or conservatives only more so.

00:12:17.180 Yeah.

00:12:17.740 You know, I, I hate that.

00:12:18.980 I don't have anything in common with, with Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich or Mike Huckabee 0.51

00:12:26.480 or all, all these just horrible individuals.

00:12:29.160 I don't agree with them on anything.

00:12:30.940 And I certainly don't agree with them on the most important things.

00:12:34.620 And so I, I, I think it's true that our movement, um, most of the people are coming

00:12:40.900 from the right.

00:12:42.580 They're, they're former conservatives maybe or, or something.

00:12:46.340 But I think we're, we're, if we're going to move forward and we're, we're going to be

00:12:52.740 a, become a better and brighter and more dynamic and interesting movement, I think we have to

00:12:57.240 integrate in left-wing energies.

00:12:59.320 And, you know, it's funny, I, at actually our last conference, um, the MPI's last conference

00:13:05.140 in February, where we, we did a conference on beyond conservatism, which we talked a lot

00:13:10.440 about these ideas.

00:13:11.220 Uh, I actually met a young man who was a, you know, a former environmentalist and, and,

00:13:17.180 uh, uh, an Obama supporter who was a, a big, uh, he, he donated his time to the Obama campaign

00:13:24.100 and he's, he's come this whole way over the past seven years.

00:13:27.480 And I think that was great.

00:13:28.680 I think we need more people like that in a way.

00:13:31.020 We, we need people who are, you know, searching for something, who, who know that there's something

00:13:35.720 wrong at the very heart of the world and, uh, and who want an answer and something that's

00:13:42.760 idealistic.

00:13:44.120 And, uh, so I think that's great.

00:13:45.660 I think that, that if our movement is to have a future, we need to attract people like that.

00:13:49.680 We need to integrate left-wing forces, uh, and we need to not just be, you know, the,

00:13:56.020 the, the far right of the conservative movement or some awful notion like that.

00:14:00.620 Uh, we need to be coming from a different universe.

00:14:03.260 Yeah, I told you this, but I love seeing the left confused by people like us who we can

00:14:07.540 be pagans, we eat organic, we're actually concerned with animals, the environment.

00:14:11.860 And, uh, you know, a lot of us are anti-capitalist, so they seem shocked that there's opposition

00:14:16.200 to cultural Marxism that isn't this concert, you know, this usual conservative stereotype,

00:14:20.880 but much more radical.

00:14:22.860 Yeah.

00:14:23.400 And I think that's true.

00:14:24.560 I, you know, I talked a little bit about this at, at the, on the beyond conservative conference.

00:14:29.520 Uh, and that is that we have these things that are, are basically idea clusters and it's

00:14:36.400 kind of like, if you're conservative, that means that you want to destroy the environment

00:14:40.780 and build new shopping malls in place of the redwoods.

00:14:44.600 And, and also you're a profound Christian and also you also love global capitalism.

00:14:49.980 Uh, and also you want to bomb Arabs into oblivion in order to protect Israel, you know, all of 0.99

00:14:57.760 those ideas, why would any one person hold all of those ideas, you know, and, and why

00:15:03.800 are any of those ideas inherently conservative?

00:15:06.140 And in many ways they're, they're the antithesis of conservatism.

00:15:10.360 And so, yeah, I, I think it's great.

00:15:12.560 I think we need to, it's the way I described it is conservatism is like a, or the right, the

00:15:17.240 mainstream right in America and, and Europe.

00:15:19.520 And again, those certainly different things, but I think they actually have a lot more similarities

00:15:24.340 than they do, than they do differences.

00:15:27.160 Um, it's a jigsaw puzzle where the pieces don't fit.

00:15:31.760 And, you know, there, there's no reason why a devout Christians should also support global

00:15:39.240 capitalism and charter schools and bombing Middle Eastern countries. 0.72

00:15:43.460 It doesn't make sense.

00:15:45.420 And so I, I think, you know, one thing that our movement can do is to really shake up that

00:15:50.160 jigsaw puzzle and, and, and, and, and really rearrange the pieces and start to think, what

00:15:55.780 are the pieces of our soul?

00:15:57.280 You know, I, I think that without question, um, something that, you know, we should, we should

00:16:02.700 think about, and I think we should do more than think about it is the importance of the

00:16:06.160 natural world, uh, to us.

00:16:09.380 Uh, it, that's something that we should, we shouldn't just preserve it as a natural resource

00:16:15.200 or due to environmentalism.

00:16:17.240 We should, we should, we should support the natural world for aesthetic grounds, the fact

00:16:21.900 for spiritual grounds that it's a place for renewal.

00:16:24.900 Uh, it's, I mean, one of the fundamental reasons why I live in Montana is just, I can, I can look

00:16:31.860 out and be inspired, um, by living in a place in the mountains, by, uh, uh, by going into

00:16:37.400 the forest, swimming in the lakes, biking through the trees.

00:16:41.160 I mean, these are things that are just deeply important and they are more important than

00:16:46.460 humans.

00:16:47.680 Uh, I, I, I just, you know, I mean, it's just like the religious right nut jobs who are, you

00:16:53.780 know, they, I think they envision some new coming world where we'll have, you know, 15 0.99

00:16:58.860 billion human beings on the planet and we'll all have two cars and, you know, we'll all

00:17:03.780 be middle-class Americans, you know, buying stuff at Kmart.

00:17:07.540 I mean, it's a horrifying vision.

00:17:09.380 Yes, it is.

00:17:10.420 And I, I, we, we can, we really need to understand that there, there are actually things that

00:17:16.260 are, that are deeper and more long lasting than human lives.

00:17:19.280 And that, you know, this is that kind of, that anti-humanism that I think we need to,

00:17:25.180 that we need to tap into, that there are, there are, these things are deeply important

00:17:29.320 to us and they're deeply important to our ancestors.

00:17:31.460 We owe it to our children to preserve the, this, you know, beautiful natural world.

00:17:37.740 Um, so yeah, I, I think, uh, you know, I, I've gone off on a tangent as usual, but yeah,

00:17:42.980 we're anti-conservative in many ways.

00:17:44.900 If, if, if, if, if it is conservatism as it's been defined by these, these nut jobs.

00:17:50.420 Isn't it interesting how the left, they used to talk a lot about overpopulation and now

00:17:55.160 all of a sudden, since mass immigration, they're just silent on it.

00:17:58.920 Right.

00:17:59.260 Yeah.

00:17:59.540 They, they've totally reversed course from where they were in the seventies.

00:18:03.420 Um, yeah, it's now, uh, we are, you're, you're going to be impoverished unless you allow

00:18:08.220 in these immigrants.

00:18:08.860 That's usually what they tell Americans at least like, oh, we need these.

00:18:12.360 If we're going to have a bright economy and pay your social security, it's like almost

00:18:16.560 like they're threatening them or something.

00:18:18.580 That's hilarious.

00:18:19.640 Yeah.

00:18:19.800 It's hilarious.

00:18:20.680 Yeah.

00:18:20.800 Italy won't survive without third world immigrants in their country. 1.00

00:18:24.360 It's funny.

00:18:25.400 Like, do you want your pension?

00:18:26.980 Well, you know, you're going to have to allow these boat people in. 1.00

00:18:30.080 Yeah.

00:18:30.620 It's.

00:18:30.960 Now, do you still make a separation between conservative and neocon?

00:18:36.060 Well, that's actually a very interesting question.

00:18:39.320 Um, yes, I, it's interesting because I would say I have a very specific definition of neocons.

00:18:46.520 And, um, I, I think as, as often happens that neocon became an almost slur word, I think

00:18:54.040 there was actually, it wasn't there a Rolling Stones song where Mick Jagger said like, you 0.99

00:18:57.940 know, go fuck your neocons or something, something like that. 0.99

00:19:02.400 Uh, but basically it became a slur word. 0.99

00:19:05.380 But the fact is there, there, the neoconservative movement is, has a history to it.

00:19:10.160 And it's actually, in a way, I have a kind of ironical admiration for neoconservatives.

00:19:16.140 And, and the reason is that it's a, it's a movement of Jews, um, who were Trotskyist

00:19:22.800 in the 1930s, famously at the city college of New York, they were in alcove one or something.

00:19:28.560 And they would debate the Stalinist in alcove two.

00:19:31.760 They would have these, you know, debates of people of, of Jews, American Jews who were

00:19:35.820 kind of marginalized, who were, but who were all kind of, you know, intense, heady intellectuals.

00:19:41.460 And, uh, they, they built a movement.

00:19:43.700 They, they became, they went from being Trotskyist to becoming Cold War liberals.

00:19:47.900 Uh, they had their own little magazines.

00:19:50.540 In a way, a lot like identitarians or, or white nationalists or, or whatever you would

00:19:54.920 like to call us.

00:19:55.640 Um, they were kind of marginalized people, but who did little heady, interesting stuff and

00:20:00.520 had their own little magazines.

00:20:01.760 We have our own little websites.

00:20:03.780 And, um, then by the, uh, probably by the seventies or eighties, the neoconservatives started

00:20:09.640 to take a turn to the right, mainly because the, the rise of the new left in the late

00:20:15.520 sixties and the neocons would basically view the new leftists as anti-Zionist because the

00:20:21.280 neocons, I think one, one thing that gives them their power and what makes them an interesting

00:20:25.980 movement to think about and study is that it's a, it's a movement that has a lot of tensions

00:20:29.500 in it.

00:20:30.700 Uh, and this, this comes from its history of, of being a Jewish movement, of, of being

00:20:35.880 a former Trotskyist movement, a Marxist movement effectively, is that they seem to be caught

00:20:40.920 between a lot of things.

00:20:42.060 Uh, they seem to be caught between a kind of Cold War era American nationalism and, and

00:20:49.260 anti-Russian feelings and anti-Soviet feelings.

00:20:52.720 Uh, and they're also caught between a Zionism and that is a, a religious and ethno-nationalism 0.78

00:20:58.620 about them, the Jewish people.

00:21:00.580 And they're also caught between a kind of global democratic universalism.

00:21:08.300 And, and you can see all of these factors kind of pop up in the, in the Bush administration

00:21:12.960 where, you know, George Bush was at once this, uh, and George Bush is not a neocon himself,

00:21:19.000 but he was deeply influenced by them.

00:21:20.520 Um, uh, Bush was at once an American nationalist, a cowboy, you know, ah, good old fashioned

00:21:28.540 American guy. 0.94

00:21:29.720 Uh, and then at the other level, he, he had these just ridiculous, almost religious-like 0.90

00:21:34.980 dreams of democratizing the planet.

00:21:37.340 You know, everyone, God wants every human soul to be free or something like this.

00:21:42.240 Um, and then at the same time, he was a Zionist, although not as hardcore of a Zionist as the

00:21:47.180 neocons would want.

00:21:48.320 Uh, interestingly, um, he actually, uh, spoke about, uh, a, uh, the, uh, the rights of the

00:21:54.780 Palestinian people to have a state.

00:21:56.440 Anyway, um, so I, I think that's what a neocon is. 0.51

00:22:00.440 They're, they're kind of caught between those things.

00:22:02.180 And I think also the neocons are in a way history.

00:22:04.540 Um, the, you know, it is, neocons are a very interesting movement.

00:22:09.780 It's one we're studying and it's one that was in a way ruined by its success where it

00:22:14.340 in, in the, you know, early two thousands, neocons really had power.

00:22:20.040 Uh, they were, they were well-placed in the Bush administration.

00:22:24.080 They were effectively in control of the Republican, of the conservative movement and, and Republican

00:22:31.620 intellectuals.

00:22:32.620 No one, you know, when I was just coming out of college, no one was, no one of any

00:22:37.580 consequence was really questioning neocon ideology.

00:22:41.380 And, uh, and they were in a way ruined by their success.

00:22:45.100 Uh, we, we saw what neocons in power looked like and it looks like the Iraq war debacle

00:22:50.240 and other things.

00:22:51.680 And, uh, so in a way they, they've, they now are a very well-funded group and they are

00:22:57.960 certainly still well-connected, but they're in a way history.

00:23:00.620 I don't, I don't think they have much legitimacy at all.

00:23:03.620 Um, and, uh, and in a way what the conservative movement has become, and you can see this in

00:23:09.700 this cuck-servative phenomenon that people are, uh, talking about, which I think is just

00:23:14.520 totally hilarious and I support.

00:23:16.440 Uh, but the, the current conservative movement or in a way the Gentile residue of the Bush administration, 0.96

00:23:24.420 it's the kind of non-Jewish, you know, doofuses and mediocrities or sub-mediocrities who were, 0.79

00:23:32.380 uh, promoted by neocons or kind of the allies of the neocons who are still there and they've

00:23:38.800 learned nothing.

00:23:39.700 They, they, they've forgotten nothing and they forgot in everything and learned nothing.

00:23:44.300 And they've, they, they're just, uh, they're just still there kind of saying their same

00:23:50.460 meaningless slogans.

00:23:52.860 Um, and, uh, that, that is basically what the conservative movement, uh, is today in the

00:23:58.860 United States.

00:23:59.420 And I think this is one of the reasons why, uh, people who are more intelligent, um, who,

00:24:04.840 who want to be part of something more real, more vital, more dynamic and forward-looking,

00:24:10.620 uh, are just simply making fun of them now.

00:24:13.640 I mean, the, the conservatives in America are just a big joke.

00:24:16.640 Uh, they, they seem to kind of represent in, in, in their, in their own person, they kind

00:24:22.600 of represent a kind of, you know, white picket fence, conservative America, Christian America.

00:24:28.960 But in their actions, uh, they, they're just participating in the displacement of European

00:24:35.460 Americans who are effectively their own children.

00:24:37.800 That's right. 0.84

00:24:38.660 It's why the, the cuck, the, someone who is, is cuckold, someone who is, who gets cucked

00:24:44.320 is someone who doesn't have control of his future.

00:24:47.360 He doesn't have control of his wife, but that's in a way the, the lesser aspect of it.

00:24:51.640 It's about not your, your genes aren't being passed down.

00:24:55.800 You're, you're looking after the offspring of a, of another man.

00:24:59.620 And I think that is just a piercingly accurate portrayal of these conservative, douchey, you

00:25:07.400 know, obese doofuses is that they're, they're, they're, you know, they want to, they want 0.94

00:25:13.800 all these new Hispanics or Africans or Caribbeans to embrace, you know, conservative values, whatever 0.97

00:25:20.040 the hell that means.

00:25:20.880 But they're basically looking after other people's children and, and they are also abandoning

00:25:27.000 their own children.

00:25:28.720 And, uh, so that, that's why I think this, this whole, the whole cuck slur, it's, it's

00:25:33.480 at one level, it's, it's like a, it's a, it's an animal of Twitter, you know, it's where

00:25:38.640 Twitter is just built for, you know, making fun of people and being vulgar and funny and

00:25:44.140 sarcastic and so on and so forth.

00:25:46.040 But so it's, it's clearly that, but at another level, calling someone a cuck servitive, I

00:25:50.800 think is, is a piercingly accurate way of referring to them. 0.80

00:25:54.020 You know, the Daily Beast, the filthy commie rag, they were wrote about this right wing

00:25:57.920 civil war, you know, and trying to make sense of the word cuck servitive and just failing 0.89

00:26:02.760 miserably.

00:26:03.540 It's hilarious.

00:26:04.500 They just can't stand that there, there's another opposition that's not conservativism.

00:26:09.360 Right.

00:26:09.980 And they don't really get it.

00:26:11.420 That, that's what I've, I've, I've read all these kind of liberal or conservative

00:26:15.480 criticisms of cuck servitive.

00:26:17.960 None of them really get what's happening.

00:26:20.740 And, um, I, we're the only ones who really get it.

00:26:23.740 And, but at the same time, I think they kind of unconsciously get it because they, the reason

00:26:28.300 they're reacting to it.

00:26:29.480 This is not something that just me and my Twitter followers are doing.

00:26:32.880 Like this is much bigger than that.

00:26:34.860 And it's really getting under the skin of these conservatives.

00:26:39.000 And, uh, and that's because it's, it's real, it's accurate.

00:26:42.140 What it is, it's not a civil war within conservatism or the Republican party.

00:26:45.640 It's absurd.

00:26:47.140 Yes, it is.

00:26:47.700 Um, it's, uh, it's a, it's an identitarian, uh, uh, an alt-right or radical vanguard that

00:26:54.340 is, that is ridiculing people who, who, who are deserving of ridicule and who have nothing

00:27:02.880 in common with our movement.

00:27:04.160 I mean, I, I think that that's what it's about.

00:27:06.320 It's kind of like, we're not going to play the lesser of two evils.

00:27:09.740 We're not going to choose Coke and Pepsi every year and say, oh, well, you know, Obama's

00:27:14.260 really bad.

00:27:15.120 So I guess I should just vote for Mike Huckabee this time.

00:27:18.040 You know, some, we're not doing that.

00:27:20.700 You know, we're, we're saying, no, you are incapable of facing the challenges of the 21st

00:27:25.320 century. 0.99

00:27:26.040 You are, you, you are effectively a cuck. 1.00

00:27:29.320 You're, you're stupid and worthless and we are superior to you. 1.00

00:27:33.580 And so we're going to demean you. 1.00

00:27:35.160 And that's what it's about.

00:27:36.760 The other thing, I mean, I'm sorry to get, if I'm sounding too mean or something, but

00:27:41.160 for anyone who has ever been around conservatives, conservatives, and I have the notion that these

00:27:48.880 people are the best, that these are, these are great individuals or they have the best

00:27:55.320 educations or they're the most cultured.

00:27:58.620 That is anyone who has ever been around them.

00:28:00.500 That is a complete joke. 0.97

00:28:01.740 They are all such mediocrities. 0.91

00:28:06.240 Unfortunately, yes.

00:28:08.160 And in a way, I wonder, I mean, I don't know if this was a, I don't know what the, I don't

00:28:12.120 know what the origin of that is exactly.

00:28:14.260 Whether it's neocons would prefer to deal with people whom they could easily control.

00:28:19.140 I mean, I think that, that probably, it's a part of it.

00:28:22.440 You know, people like Glenn Beck and people like that, they are popular in a way because 0.65

00:28:27.680 they're just goofballs and, you know, people like that.

00:28:31.700 They're, they're like, you know, people who are attracted to a evangelical televangelist 0.94

00:28:36.360 or something, you know, it's effectively, this is what this kind of thing is.

00:28:40.280 But, you know, whatever the case, if you are an intelligent person, someone with a deep

00:28:45.380 soul, someone who wants something more, who wants to change the world, you would never

00:28:50.480 conceivably become a conservative.

00:28:53.460 It's just, there, there is, I don't know of a counter example to this.

00:28:58.460 And so, yeah, I mean, I think we're seeing this and, you know, I actually, I was, I was

00:29:03.600 emailing this person today and I mentioned this, I was kind of like, you know, the leftist

00:29:08.600 in this, during the period of the 1960s, leftist won, not because they outnumbered traditional

00:29:16.780 Americans.

00:29:17.540 They, they certainly didn't.

00:29:19.200 They won because they had the best music.

00:29:22.080 You know, they leftist won in the 1960s because they had the philosophy and mentality that was

00:29:28.360 dynamic, that was forward looking, that was compelling, that was dangerous.

00:29:32.440 It was a real alternative to the status quo.

00:29:35.420 And that's why they won.

00:29:36.960 And I, I think you might see a very, an analogous thing happening now.

00:29:41.380 I mean, the alt-right, so-called, or identitarians in North America,

00:29:46.000 we are so, the degree to which we are underfunded, the degree to which the conservative, mainstream

00:29:52.960 conservatives have, they are rolling in dough.

00:29:55.660 I mean, the, the Heritage Foundation, which is a major think tank, has a hundred and some

00:29:59.660 million dollar endowment.

00:30:01.040 So they have so much more money than us.

00:30:03.700 And what do they do with it, you know?

00:30:05.060 What do they do with it?

00:30:06.160 And how do they change society in any way?

00:30:08.620 Like, what, what cultural battle have they won?

00:30:11.740 Done tax cuts for billionaires.

00:30:13.340 They have lost on every front and we are the more dynamic.

00:30:17.360 We are this group that that's underfunded, but is more powerful.

00:30:21.480 Yeah.

00:30:21.920 The caged bird will sing.

00:30:23.560 I think it sings better.

00:30:24.780 Yeah.

00:30:25.180 Unfortunately, and I know there's different types of Christians.

00:30:27.580 I have lots of Christians in my family, but biblical dogma has made people flat.

00:30:31.880 It's giving them tunnel vision.

00:30:33.280 They become out of touch with the natural world as though it's all figured out.

00:30:36.800 And they've become boring since many are so cut off from their ancient culture, which is 0.98

00:30:40.740 interesting and actually has a lot to offer.

00:30:42.440 Yeah, they, they, they really are boring.

00:30:45.260 They're a collection of Sunday school teachers.

00:30:47.140 Um, that, that might be the case.

00:30:50.000 Uh, yeah, it's, it is interesting.

00:30:51.680 I, um, I think one of, one of Christianity's powers in a way is that it is very flexible

00:30:58.160 and the Christian religion can, and this is a compliment of it.

00:31:03.460 The Christian religion can really be informed by the culture that adopts it.

00:31:09.560 And so, you know, the, the difference between Germanic Christianity that we, that we see in,

00:31:16.520 in Europe and in, in traditional Europe and the middle ages and so on and so forth, and

00:31:20.800 say the Christianity of Paul or the early Christians, I mean, the, these are two vastly

00:31:25.900 different things.

00:31:26.420 And they're also very different from, um, what I guess we would call Byzantine Christianity

00:31:30.800 or a Roman Christianity in the Eastern empire.

00:31:34.620 The, these are very different things that I think that is what is interesting about Christianity

00:31:39.700 is that it's this monotheistic religion that is flexible and that can be informed by the

00:31:44.380 people who take it up.

00:31:45.300 So certainly voodoo, which is a Catholic religion, uh, for, for Haitians and others, uh, that

00:31:51.840 is a, a very different type of Christianity, but it's still in a way Christian.

00:31:56.040 Um, and I, I guess, so what I mean is that Christianity can take on all these different

00:32:00.520 forms.

00:32:00.980 I think one interesting thing is that in America, it, it seems to only take on the form of leftism

00:32:07.820 or a kind of pacifism or, or a kind of simply of like, well, I want to limit immigration and 1.00

00:32:15.280 defend my people, but Jesus won't let me.

00:32:17.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:19.360 And I think that's interesting that it's happened that way, but I don't, I, yeah, I, I unfortunately

00:32:25.160 don't really know of a group.

00:32:27.100 I mean, maybe you could say Orthodox Christianity in Russia, although that's something I don't

00:32:31.240 know a great deal of about that seems to, that it seems to be tied to something deeper.

00:32:36.440 It seems to be even tied to the Roman empire, uh, at some level.

00:32:41.060 And it seems to be a cultural sustaining force.

00:32:44.220 Uh, but again, I'm distanced from it.

00:32:46.160 Sometimes we, we have a tendency to romanticize things that we're distanced from.

00:32:49.980 Uh, but Christianity in the Western world and, and America has, has just become a kind

00:32:55.060 of warmed over liberalism. 0.92

00:32:58.580 Uh, it's, it's really, uh, it's, it's kind of a pathetic religion and it's a religion that 1.00

00:33:03.840 doesn't really believe in itself. 0.84

00:33:05.140 So really it's not a shame if this were to phase out, because I think he wrote somewhere

00:33:09.620 in your conservativism essay, but this is the end of something, but now we can maybe possibly

00:33:15.000 have something more primordial and powerful that can replace it.

00:33:18.180 Right.

00:33:18.840 Yeah, I hope, uh, my, I, I think to be authentic to where we are now, uh, we, we have to in a

00:33:26.740 way be authentic to the disintegration of something.

00:33:30.200 We, we can't pretend that the West is, you know, about to colonize the world and explore

00:33:37.880 the universe and this kind of Faustian West that, that existed in history and it existed

00:33:45.280 in our imagination.

00:33:46.220 That's not what the West is now.

00:33:47.900 The, the, the West is a bunch of human resource directors talking about microaggressions or

00:33:53.500 the, the, the West is, is some, you know, uh, stifling, suffocating bureaucratic socialism.

00:34:01.540 The, the, the West is, you know, femen or, or, or, or people, you know, uh, you know, walking 0.94

00:34:10.120 around naked in a, in a church and screaming at people, uh, like, uh, who are those horrible, 0.99

00:34:16.420 uh, pussy riot or something. 0.99

00:34:17.980 The, the, the West is about, you know, just bourgeois Americans kind of feeling hopeless and 0.99

00:34:24.320 living in their suburban home and, and, and not, not engaging in the world and not thinking

00:34:29.480 that they have really something to defend, just hoping if, if things get so bad, they'll

00:34:33.260 just move to the next suburb down the road.

00:34:35.480 That's what the West is now.

00:34:37.460 The, the, what we are, we are in a nihilistic downward spiral and in order to be authentic,

00:34:43.180 we have to recognize that.

00:34:45.440 And we can't pretend that, you know, uh, well, we're the wet, we're, we're white, the white

00:34:50.720 race that, you know, of Beethoven and Copernicus.

00:34:53.980 No, at the, at the moment we are a white race in a, in a deep cycle of, of degeneration. 0.86

00:34:58.900 I mean, look around, we're in a sad state folks.

00:35:01.560 Yeah.

00:35:01.880 Right.

00:35:02.280 But we need to recognize that to be authentic.

00:35:04.100 You need to recognize, you have to be realistic.

00:35:06.280 And, but we, so we need to ask, you know, does this need to happen?

00:35:10.720 Can we come out the other end of this nihilistic spiral and survive it and be better?

00:35:17.180 And, you know, I, again, I, I take that Nietzschean imperative, uh, whatever doesn't kill us

00:35:23.340 will make us stronger.

00:35:24.840 Maybe this is a terrible trial that we have to go through.

00:35:27.840 And not all of us are going to make it to the mountaintop, but maybe at the end of

00:35:31.940 this trial, we'll in a way be thankful that we pursued liberalism to its very end, that

00:35:39.080 we pursued Americanism to its very end, and that we, in the end, both in the sense that

00:35:44.820 it's going to cease, but also the end in a Galien sense of the, the ultimate outcome

00:35:49.420 of this root idea.

00:35:51.380 And that we're in a way better for it, that we, we experienced it.

00:35:56.020 And I, I think that is an authentic philosophy for our time.

00:36:03.120 That's why we should celebrate when they push hard and fast and do outrageous things and

00:36:07.980 say blatant things.

00:36:09.300 That's a good thing for us in the end.

00:36:11.280 Well, I love social justice warriors.

00:36:13.320 I mean, I, I would want, I might donate money to them or something. 0.98

00:36:16.620 I want them to become even more just ridiculous. 0.93

00:36:21.520 Uh, I, I think it's good. 0.95

00:36:22.600 It kind of, in a way, they're in a way pointing themselves out and, and they're, you know, uh,

00:36:29.220 they're, they're taking their ideas seriously.

00:36:31.560 I, I love it.

00:36:32.740 I, I want more of it.

00:36:33.960 And sadly, I think you said to these granola communists, I like that they're actually

00:36:37.860 personifying in our mind what we think white guilt is, right?

00:36:41.740 That's the sad truth.

00:36:43.300 They make white guilt really unattractive. 1.00

00:36:45.160 That's another good thing because they're all ugly. 0.99

00:36:47.780 Um, so it's great to kind of associate, you know, white guilt and universalism and stuff 0.99

00:36:53.720 with a bunch of, uh, people who no one would conceivably want to sleep with.

00:37:00.700 Got that right.

00:37:04.060 Uh, so yeah, I mean, we, you have to write it.

00:37:06.560 I, I think, you know, my, my friend in France, uh, Romain Bernard, he has this great metaphor,

00:37:10.980 which is kind of like, uh, you know, if you, you, we, we are able to see this, this, this

00:37:17.820 tidal wave coming, we're, we're able to see this, uh, terrible monsoon that's about to

00:37:24.300 destroy us all.

00:37:25.220 But what do you do?

00:37:26.480 Do you run from a tidal wave?

00:37:28.160 Well, the problem is you can't outrun a tidal wave.

00:37:31.140 Do you stand like, like Hamlet imagined in his famous soliloquy?

00:37:34.640 You'll, you know, you'll face down all the slings and arrows.

00:37:38.360 You'll, you'll stand up waving an American flag against a tidal wave.

00:37:42.160 Well, good luck with that.

00:37:43.600 You're, you're going to be overwhelmed.

00:37:44.760 But what we can do is pick up a surfboard and ride the tidal wave.

00:37:50.340 You ride the tiger.

00:37:52.020 And again, can we see that at the end of this great cataclysm that we're experiencing, is

00:37:58.560 there a brightness at the end of it?

00:38:00.660 Can we come out of it stronger?

00:38:02.820 Can we kind of ride this disintegration of the modern world and allow it to open up space

00:38:09.340 for the kind of, you know, deeply connected, identitarian European empire that we want

00:38:16.040 to see, you know, for our grandchildren?

00:38:19.180 Yeah, you said, I'm going to quote you, before we have a left problem or a social justice warrior 0.91

00:38:23.900 problem or a black or Jewish problem, we have a white problem. 0.85

00:38:27.820 So tell us about this. 0.96

00:38:29.680 Well, I think, I think this has to do with the morality of white people. 0.83

00:38:34.860 And what I, in that speech, which I gave at the American Renaissance Conference, I talked

00:38:40.500 about this situation that I think most of your listeners would be aware of, which is

00:38:45.000 the Rotherham controversy.

00:38:47.500 Yes.

00:38:48.020 And I don't want to go into the details, but effectively for decades, the children of Rotherham 0.99

00:38:54.080 were being raped and abused and demeaned by a bunch of Arabs and Muslims. 1.00

00:39:03.780 And this was going on. 0.99

00:39:07.340 And every, granted, it wasn't on the front page of the papers making headlines, but everyone

00:39:12.420 kind of knew about it.

00:39:13.940 Everyone was hearing these tales, these rumors.

00:39:17.400 And yet they were afraid to investigate it because they knew that it had this racial component.

00:39:24.000 That it was a lot like cucking that we're talking about.

00:39:27.340 It is basically losing control of your future, losing control of your children, allowing your 0.99

00:39:31.360 children to be humiliated, racially humiliated.

00:39:34.780 And, you know, you could say those people, those people, the town council of Rotherham who

00:39:43.340 ignored this, who pretend, who just wanted it to go away, you could say they're a bunch 0.98

00:39:47.700 of cowards. 0.98

00:39:48.980 But I think just calling them cowards is in a way begging deeper questions. 0.99

00:39:53.360 Because if the perpetrators of these terrible gang rapes were white people, I am positive 1.00

00:39:59.580 that the town council of Rotherham would have prosecuted them, investigated them, you know,

00:40:06.660 made them accountable to the law and so on and so forth. 0.97

00:40:09.220 So if they were white, they wouldn't have been cowards. 0.98

00:40:12.560 So there's something deeper. 0.97

00:40:13.520 And I think this gets at this, this guilt complex, this white guilt, which is in a way, a kind

00:40:19.620 of morality complex. 0.64

00:40:21.880 And it views white consciousness and white power as the ultimate evil. 0.81

00:40:29.120 Original sin. 0.54

00:40:30.680 Yeah, a kind of original sin.

00:40:32.400 And it's in a way more evil than gang rape.

00:40:34.540 And again, that, when I say that, I'm sure that's kind of shocking, but you have to think

00:40:42.660 it through.

00:40:43.320 And that's what they are basically doing.

00:40:44.840 They are saying, we would rather that our, our children, and even if they weren't literally

00:40:48.780 their, their direct children, they were their children.

00:40:51.740 This is the city council that is responsible for the future. 0.98

00:40:54.880 We would rather have our children be brutally raped than be called a racist. 0.80

00:41:01.740 And again, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm describing this in kind of vivid terms, but I'm doing 0.98

00:41:09.280 that in order to prove a point.

00:41:11.120 And that is where we are.

00:41:12.640 And you have to understand that as a deeply, as a, as a morality, and that's at the heart

00:41:17.580 of it.

00:41:17.960 So we need to get at that morality.

00:41:20.480 We can't just talk about things like our, our movement can't just be about like race

00:41:25.880 differences.

00:41:26.320 And so in a way I'm, I'm, I'm, uh, in a friendly and constructive manner, I'm, I'm

00:41:32.300 criticizing, uh, people who identify themselves as race realists, who want to talk about IQ

00:41:36.820 differences or crime rates or something.

00:41:39.380 And this is what we just want to keep talking about is that, oh, you know, blacks IQ, uh, 0.99

00:41:44.000 African American IQ is 85.

00:41:45.920 It's, they can't go to, we can't give them affirmative action to go to college because 0.98

00:41:49.440 they can't do the work, blah, blah, blah.

00:41:50.660 All of that stuff is true.

00:41:52.080 And all of that stuff is important.

00:41:53.620 I would never doubt that, but yeah.

00:41:56.320 If we're going to really change things, we need to access that, that moral aspect of

00:42:01.560 people.

00:42:01.900 We, and, and, and I'm talking about white people, you know, you, you could also question

00:42:06.160 this way, you know, you could look at like, oh, the, the Frankfurt school or so-called

00:42:11.260 cultural Marxists, they've been so devastating.

00:42:14.100 Well, why is it that this very small group of people were able to be this devastating?

00:42:22.620 If you believe that they were, why is it that?

00:42:26.320 There were, if it wasn't that they resonated with something in the hearts and minds of white 0.95

00:42:31.240 people, you, you can't really force people to adopt these, you know, an ideology.

00:42:37.700 If it's just totally alien, you, you can't force people to, you know, become, you know,

00:42:44.840 the, the, the cargo cult or, you know, voodoo or something that, that would never have taken

00:42:50.000 hold with white Americans.

00:42:52.660 But there was something about this, this deep ideology that is anti-white, that's anti-white

00:42:58.840 power.

00:42:59.380 It's anti-white consciousness that, that got a hold of our people at some level.

00:43:04.340 And we need to understand why and where that is.

00:43:07.120 What, what is the moral, you know, mindscape of whites that they accept their own displacement? 0.82

00:43:12.700 And that is, you know, you can talk about this idea of immigration's really bad or there, 0.71

00:43:18.560 there's people, this is, this is the effectively white genocide or whatever. 0.55

00:43:22.180 You can, you can talk about that all day long without getting to the fact that most white 0.99

00:43:27.840 people ultimately embrace it. 0.79

00:43:29.900 And most white people think that people like me and you are evil, that we're in a way worse 0.88

00:43:36.740 than murderers. 0.98

00:43:38.220 They will give second chances to murderers.

00:43:40.200 They'll allow a murderer to be reformed, but someone who has a European consciousness 0.95

00:43:44.800 and once, what cares about the future of European children, once imagines a, a, a, a,

00:43:51.720 a future of a great European empire, that kind of person is deeply evil, that that person

00:43:58.420 should be ashamed, that we need to point out that person, that we need to hold, as happened

00:44:03.440 to me last fall, we need to hold town meetings in which we discuss this person that we didn't

00:44:08.780 even know was living here.

00:44:10.340 But, but, but who thinks these thoughts, God, we need to have everyone come together

00:44:14.860 and pass resolutions.

00:44:17.440 Yeah.

00:44:18.000 Right.

00:44:18.340 Grab the pitch.

00:44:19.240 Why is that?

00:44:20.300 What is that about us that, that leads that?

00:44:22.560 And what is that moral aspect to us?

00:44:24.620 So I, I think in a way this is, if we do want to change the world, this is the most important

00:44:30.160 thing we need to talk about.

00:44:31.460 We need to talk about the white problem. 0.94

00:44:34.280 Yeah.

00:44:34.800 And I noticed a lot of white people who aren't on this page, they get so uncomfortable when

00:44:39.520 you bring up white, white privilege, white guilt.

00:44:42.540 Let's actually get to the meat of this and really talk about it.

00:44:45.500 It's almost like dealing with a mind control victim or someone that's been mentally abused

00:44:49.900 or something.

00:44:50.400 They just, they, they go on the defense, like the program kicks in.

00:44:54.100 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:54.580 I mean, white people have in a way been mentally abused. 0.94

00:44:57.660 You know, that, that's not a bad, a bad way of talking about it. 0.86

00:45:00.840 Um, they, they have, I mean, and I think this, this shows a kind of generational divide

00:45:05.620 of between kind of older conservatives who, who want to go back to some, you know, imagined

00:45:12.060 1950s era where all Americans were patriotic and good and loved each other or something.

00:45:18.000 And, and people who are, who are my age, remember, I'm not exactly a young person.

00:45:22.380 I'm actually 37, uh, but who have basically experienced nothing but anti-European leftism

00:45:31.080 in education, in the media and the world and what's being taught.

00:45:34.740 I mean, we, we are in a way, uh, uh, victims where we're, we've been mentally abused, mentally

00:45:41.400 enslaved.

00:45:41.980 And, uh, you know, this is the kind of thing we, we need to talk about.

00:45:47.260 This is something we, we need to delve in.

00:45:49.080 This is the stuff that's really important.

00:45:50.860 That's going to have consequences.

00:45:52.140 And that's what I also, I mean, I am an idealist in, in the, in the sense that I, I believe how

00:45:57.560 we understand things, our consciousness is what changes the world.

00:46:02.380 Um, I don't really believe in, I mean, at some level, this might shock people.

00:46:06.520 I, I don't fundamentally worry about demographics in the sense that, you know, oh, we have between

00:46:13.280 11 and 20 million illegal immigrants and whites are going to become a minority in 2042 or whatever.

00:46:19.880 I don't worry about any of that because if whites had the right consciousness, none of 0.99

00:46:26.300 this would be a problem. 0.86

00:46:27.580 Like, you know, illegal immigrants and all Hispanic immigrants in America, they came here 1.00

00:46:32.620 so they, they can leave peacefully.

00:46:35.300 Like we, we can change this overnight.

00:46:37.160 We can do it in a completely peaceful fashion, uh, with, you know, we can change everything

00:46:43.660 overnight in an instant if we think it.

00:46:46.800 And, and that is because our, our consciousness and our ideals and our ideas are more powerful

00:46:52.460 than matter.

00:46:53.880 I'm an anti-materialist.

00:46:56.100 I, I, the way we understand the world is more important than the actual world.

00:47:01.360 Like we can, we can change reality if we think it, if we're willing to dream it.

00:47:08.520 Um, but you know, if we're only concentrate, if we only concentrate on the atoms or, you

00:47:13.760 know, oh, the, some demographic statistic, we're just, again, we're just begging the question.

00:47:19.080 We're begging, we're avoiding the real issue.

00:47:21.500 And that is how we perceive the world.

00:47:24.320 That's right.

00:47:24.940 And if you raise your kids right, I say this all the time, armor them with the truth and

00:47:28.840 teach them to love their people and love who they are.

00:47:31.960 It doesn't matter what comes at them, what people say, none of it will get into their

00:47:36.480 heads if you make them strong enough.

00:47:38.640 Oh, I, again, I, I love social justice warriors.

00:47:41.780 They entertain me throughout the day.

00:47:43.600 I love watching their videos.

00:47:45.360 It just brings a grin to my face.

00:47:47.860 They don't, they don't affect me in the slightest outside of entertainment.

00:47:52.460 So, you know, it's because I have the right attitude.

00:47:55.940 I mean, that seems almost trite to say, have a good attitude, but it's right.

00:47:59.920 It's true. 0.85

00:48:00.800 You know, when you have the right consciousness, people like, you know, Pussy Riot or Femin 0.51

00:48:05.580 or Barack Obama or Mike Huckabee or whomever in Europe or whatever, you know, these people

00:48:11.640 melt away because you're able to see through them and you're able to see a future beyond them.

00:48:17.020 Now, how do you think a lot of white people, especially conservatives, are going to handle

00:48:21.720 becoming a racial minority in America?

00:48:24.100 Are they just going to kind of surrender to this monoglob or is something else going to

00:48:28.420 kick in?

00:48:29.400 Well, that, that's a very good question because it's a, it's a psychological question.

00:48:32.640 And, you know, I'm, I'm thinking of the, uh, what is it?

00:48:35.360 The five stages of guilt, the Kubler-Ross model of, of denial.

00:48:39.400 What is it?

00:48:39.760 Denial, anger, bargaining, uh, depression, acceptance, or something like that.

00:48:44.520 I think whites might go through something like that. 0.60

00:48:47.640 Um, I, I would say that the, the way that I would describe their psychology now is somewhere

00:48:55.060 at denial and, and maybe even bargaining stage of, of mourning.

00:49:00.960 And they, they seem to deny that this is happening.

00:49:04.020 And it's, and it's in a way one is able to deny it's happening because America is a radically

00:49:08.920 segregated place.

00:49:10.140 I mean, you can go live in a, a suburb in Ohio or, or even you can go live in Manhattan

00:49:14.600 Island and in a way only see white people with the occasional Hispanic bus boy.

00:49:20.780 Uh, so I, I think, you know, people, people are in that denial stage, but I think they're

00:49:26.180 also in a kind of bargaining.

00:49:27.180 I would say that white conservatives now, what they imagine is that the demographics are

00:49:34.220 going to change, but nothing will really change.

00:49:36.340 So, you know, we're going to convince all of these Hispanics that they should embrace,

00:49:41.760 you know, the flag and God and the constitution and Sarah Palin.

00:49:46.340 And so it will just all be the same, you know, people will just have different skin color or 0.97

00:49:50.320 something.

00:49:50.520 So in a way they're, they're kind of, and the Republican party will benefit from this,

00:49:54.480 of course, you know, cause Hispanics are natural conservatives as we know.

00:49:58.160 And I think that's the kind of diluted bargaining that they're engaging in, uh, that, you know,

00:50:05.660 the demographics will change, but nothing will change.

00:50:08.040 And I think in a way that the whole Donald Trump phenomenon is that kind of, that, that

00:50:14.700 kind of creeping unconscious awareness that things really are going to change and that

00:50:21.380 we might need some kind of tough guy, some kind of fascistic oligarch to hold back the tide of 0.93

00:50:29.080 color or something. I, I think that this is how I would describe the, the, the consciousness of,

00:50:35.340 of conservatives. But, but again, I don't know what will happen once we get, you know, decades on,

00:50:42.100 uh, that whether they'll really pass through the bargaining stage and, and, and, and pass through

00:50:47.980 to identity. I mean, this is the kind of question, will they, will whites pass through to a stage 0.79

00:50:52.480 of, of, you know, depression and acceptance where they basically accept their own displacement?

00:50:58.700 Uh, they, they just basically don't see any kind of future for their children or will some of us

00:51:05.340 at least pass through the stage with a heightened awareness of identity? And remember, you know,

00:51:11.560 identity is, you need an other to have an identity. I mean, that, that's an important thing

00:51:17.960 that we sometimes forget. Um, you know, if, if you're only around Protestant white people,

00:51:24.820 uh, you're going to kind of think that the entire world is Protestant white people. And that leads to 0.76

00:51:31.320 a certain naivete that leads to all sorts of different things. And I, I think that in a way,

00:51:38.020 maybe some of us are going to confront the other and, and, and see the other. And, and, and then

00:51:47.340 finally, maybe see our own reflection and the other's eyes and in a way, understand who we are.

00:51:53.300 Um, so, you know, is this going to, is, is the fact that we're bringing in these millions of, 0.99

00:52:00.960 of Hispanics and foreign, you know, and Hispanics, it's kind of a stupid demographic name. We're 0.99

00:52:06.360 bringing in all of these people who are racially and culturally radically different, who have a

00:52:10.620 different history. Um, if we bring these in, will, will we finally be able to understand who we are?

00:52:16.460 And I think that that is what will happen. Um, I, I think that some of us will recognize that.

00:52:22.400 And I also think that our movement wouldn't have a future unless we thought like this,

00:52:28.940 whether we thought that we would be the outcome, you know, a lot of conservatives

00:52:32.980 like to think of themselves as kind of beautiful losers that, you know, we're like Hamlet. We'll go

00:52:40.640 up against the slings and arrows and we'll kind of die valiantly in some great suicide mission where

00:52:46.180 we're, we're the last people defending faith and tradition, uh, against the onslaught of liberalism

00:52:52.180 or something. And, you know, that's their consciousness. A lot of paleo-conservatives

00:52:57.120 so-called or traditionalists is, is essentially they see themselves as a noble suicide. Well,

00:53:03.720 I don't think like that. I think that we should see ourselves as the outcome of this historical

00:53:09.560 trajectory that we are experiencing right now and that we have a future that at the end of the day,

00:53:15.980 after America's collapsed, after, uh, after, uh, whites are 20% of the population that those who

00:53:24.160 survive it and who experience it will have a hard core to their identity. That's right. They will be

00:53:30.300 new people. And so in a way that sense, I, I'm the ultimate progressive and I have a great deal of

00:53:37.600 hope for the future. And I think that we are part of, we are the, we are part of the force of history.

00:53:43.020 Exactly. I mean, this is nothing new. This has been in history and populations do ebb and flow

00:53:48.560 and some tribes die where others stay alive. Uh, I mean, for me, I'm like, okay, if we have a

00:53:54.400 hundred thousand really intelligent, aware white people who made it through this, we can get the

00:53:59.740 population up again. You know, I want, I want quality. I want quality, not quantity is what I'm

00:54:05.320 saying. Think about the origins of the white race in the ice age. I mean, how, how many, 0.99

00:54:10.420 how many of us were there? Uh, a couple thousand, maybe a couple hundred at some, I mean, we, we,

00:54:16.640 we forget, we don't, we don't need billions. You know, we, we need a hard core of, of real people

00:54:24.020 who will fight and who know who they are. That's all we need.

00:54:29.640 Now, I wanted to ask you this left versus right. I hear so many people in alt media saying, you know,

00:54:35.220 I'm beyond that, but is it even truly possible? Cause everything in our world that is about

00:54:39.400 opposing forces, even our brain is two hemispheres. So can we be beyond left and right?

00:54:46.340 Wow. Um, that's a very good way of thinking about it. Uh, I think there probably are two levels to

00:54:52.580 this. Uh, I, I think there's, there's the superficial level and, and I would say that that's the kind of

00:54:58.980 thing where you take some of these stupid Facebook quizzes and they'll tell you who you are kind of 0.98

00:55:03.640 thing of like, Oh, do you support abortion? Uh, do you support environmental regulations? Do you 1.00

00:55:09.100 support the Iraq war? Oh, okay. We, we've determined you're a centrist liberal or something. I think in

00:55:14.680 terms of that, those kinds of stupid slide rules, uh, we are definitely well beyond that kind of 0.99

00:55:21.260 nonsense. Um, and, and as, as I said, you know, earlier in this conversation, we should never think 0.96

00:55:26.460 of ourselves as, you know, conservatives only more so, you know, Mike Huckabee on steroids. That's,

00:55:34.160 that's the last thing we want to be. So I think we're definitely beyond left and right in that sense.

00:55:38.880 But, but I agree with what you're saying that there almost needs to be attention to us. And I,

00:55:45.560 I think that's a very interesting idea. And I, I can kind of go back to what I was talking about,

00:55:50.020 the neoconservatives, uh, why they are an interesting movement is because they actually have attention

00:55:55.100 in there that there's a tension between American nationalism and, uh, Jewish Zionism and a kind

00:56:02.680 of global, you know, democratic universalism. And they're kind of fighting between those energies

00:56:09.940 within their hearts that they're divided onto themselves, you know, kind of thing. And that's

00:56:14.820 why they're interesting. And I think that we should have that tension too. I think maybe you can think

00:56:19.460 of a lot of these really productive tensions, like the tension between our Faustian spirit

00:56:24.860 and our traditional spirit. And I, I think you, you and I are probably alike in this way that

00:56:29.900 we're, we're kind of caught between two, uh, two drives of like, we, we want to be,

00:56:36.160 we want to be traditionalists. We understand the value of family and home and like the little things

00:56:42.120 and things that are organic and, and, and, and homemade and, and, and so on and so forth. Like

00:56:47.360 that has a deep power for us as it does for a lot of people. And that's a good thing,

00:56:52.520 but we're also torn between our desire to explore the universe and get in a build, you know,

00:57:01.120 the fact that Americans have abandoned NASA, abandoned man, space travel, we haven't been

00:57:06.440 it. It is truly sad. And, and I know that there are some, maybe some technical reasons,

00:57:11.440 but I wonder if all those technical reasons are just rationalizations for our own cowardly

00:57:16.400 nature. Uh, you know, I, there, there was something that, that Faustian soul that you

00:57:20.880 can see in, in, uh, you know, Stanley Kubrick's 2001, um, that kind of desire to transcend ourselves.

00:57:29.060 And I think in a way that to go back to that tension, that tension between traditionalism

00:57:34.360 on the one hand and, and a kind of Faustian spirit on the other, I think that's a really

00:57:39.060 productive tension that makes us better. And I think that could be the kind of left, right

00:57:45.480 divide of the future, you know, that, that, that, that is this thing where it's a, it's

00:57:49.800 an unending battle. You never solve it, you know? Um, but it, it kind of inspires us and

00:57:55.860 there'll be great people on, on each side of it. And, uh, I, I think that could be the

00:58:00.820 great, you know, left, right dialectic of the future.

00:58:04.340 I like that. Very good. Well, I wanted to ask you the last question before we talk all

00:58:07.600 about the conference, but I'm curious. So how do you both plan to raise your child

00:58:12.180 knowing all of this? Well, I don't want to get too personal, but, um, you know, I, I,

00:58:18.080 maybe this, maybe this sounds kind of funny, but, um, I, I have a very laid back attitude

00:58:24.660 towards children. And, um, I, I don't, I think that they're going to be okay. I think

00:58:32.800 that I'm not going to, um, I don't, and I would say this, this is not just me. I would

00:58:37.780 say this for, for anyone who thinks like us who have children, I don't think we should

00:58:42.040 indoctrinate them. Uh, I don't think we should make them read, you know, our books or listen

00:58:48.560 to this podcast at age seven so that we, you know, we, I just, I think we should just allow

00:58:53.980 them to be children and we're going to inherently instill in them our values, uh, even if we're

00:59:01.340 not trying to. And, and, and we've inherently instilled our values in them genetically.

00:59:06.880 That's right. Yeah. And so I think that we should be very laid back and I don't want

00:59:12.860 to force children to be anything. And, and as you know, if you, particularly with young

00:59:17.580 men, but also with young women, if you try to force them to be something, they're going 0.99

00:59:21.180 to do the exact opposite. That's right. Oh yeah. They rebel against their parents. That's

00:59:24.800 what they do. The grand strategy, I guess, would be to maybe be a social justice warrior. 0.99

00:59:29.620 Exactly. Uh, so I, I, I don't, I just want to be very laid back. I, I don't, and you

00:59:35.480 know, I, I don't want them to feel like they're burdened by, you know, the fact that I, I'm

00:59:42.100 a, a radical intellectual. I, I just want them to, to just be their own, their own person

00:59:49.040 and just to, uh, uh, they, they can find their own path and they're going to have to. So that,

00:59:55.220 that's kind of, that's my late laid back advice.

00:59:59.260 It's true. And you plant little seeds along the way. I mean, there's certain things I laughed

01:00:02.600 that my grandmother, my parents said that actually they were right, you know, and then

01:00:06.500 you change in your twenties and then you see it different in your thirties. So what's it

01:00:10.280 going to be like later? You know? Yeah, no, it's, it's funny. I, I, I, I see a lot of

01:00:15.080 myself in my paternal grandfather. I, he was a big bourbon drinker. I, I, these are little

01:00:19.980 things, but they're in a way kind of telling things, you know, I, I kind of, I, I like that.

01:00:24.220 I, I, once 9 30 PM hits, I like to go get my glass and get a good bourbon and kind of

01:00:31.120 maybe do a little bit of work or read a little and, you know, look outside. I kind of have

01:00:35.700 his mentality. Um, I've recently discovered traditional shaving, you know, shaving with

01:00:41.240 a brush and, you know, art, you know, organic artisan soaps and safety razor. I, these are

01:00:46.900 kind of silly things and they're not, they're definitely not political or something, but I,

01:00:50.800 I kind of, you, you do kind of become, you become your grandparents in, in maybe a good

01:00:56.120 way. There's certain nuances in European culture. I never want to see go like table manners or

01:01:00.900 chivalry. There, there's certain aspects that, that I love and it would be so sad to see that

01:01:05.440 disappear. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, this gets back to what I was talking about. Like the left

01:01:10.360 and right of the future is going to be this, this tension between our, our Faustian nature and,

01:01:15.480 and our, and our traditional in nature, that idea for, for little things, you know, little

01:01:20.360 ways of doing things that, that are inefficient actually, but, but are the best.

01:01:26.580 Well, of course we must talk about your conference and it's on Halloween, isn't it? In DC.

01:01:31.700 Uh, yes. I, I kind of, I find that amusing. Uh, you know, the, the ghouls and goblins will

01:01:38.060 be out. Exactly. That's what, that's maybe what our enemies will see it as. So we could come,

01:01:42.600 we could come dress like a social justice warriors, right? That would be hilarious. Yes,

01:01:47.680 I would support that. Um, uh, yeah, I, it's, it's going to be a lot of fun and, and, you

01:01:52.620 know, I've done a, I've done a number of conferences now and I, I try to get better at

01:01:57.920 them and I try to, in a way, try to be critical of myself. Like what did I do right? What did

01:02:02.360 I do wrong? And, you know, a couple of lessons that I've learned is that you need to have great

01:02:09.620 speakers, uh, because that, you know, that, that's the kind of headline of the conference

01:02:14.100 and that's what people see. And so I, I've really tried to get some great ones. Like, um,

01:02:19.280 people who have been on your radio programs, Kevin McDonald, uh, Guillaume Fay, Jack Donovan,

01:02:24.440 Keith Preston, Keith Preston, who's great because he's kind of in a way, not part of our movement.

01:02:29.780 I mean, he's an anarchist, but he's someone who's willing to talk to us and talk with us and who we

01:02:35.340 can learn from. So I, I think that's great. My friend Romain will be there. Michael Hill,

01:02:39.200 who's actually a Southern nationalist, uh, is going to be there. I added him a little bit later

01:02:43.580 because, um, I thought it was just necessary because of this, this attack on Southern heritage

01:02:48.580 that is ongoing. Um, and then Robert Taylor is actually going to be there. He's, he's from the

01:02:53.180 band changes and he's actually going to perform, uh, some music for us. So, so basically I felt that

01:02:58.900 you have to have great speakers, but at the, the, the dirty secret of conferences is that people

01:03:03.420 ultimately don't come to hear the speakers, you know, they, uh, I can go up there and bloviate,

01:03:09.060 but truly people are there to meet people and just to be together. And so that's why I've,

01:03:16.980 I've really tried to make this conference as a, as a communal event with entertainment and festivities

01:03:24.800 and, and, and socializing. So we're going to actually have the, the meat of the conference will

01:03:29.660 take place, uh, you know, on October 31st, Halloween during the day. And so we'll have

01:03:35.060 speeches and, and, you know, there'll be some exhibitors and so on and so forth. We'll have

01:03:39.780 very good food. And, and then actually in the evening, um, we're going to be a little more laid

01:03:44.340 back. So we're going to get, you know, it's going to be casual, no ties allowed. Uh, there'll be, uh,

01:03:49.840 food, um, that will be very good food, but it'll be kind of, you, you get to take it, you know,

01:03:55.040 pick it up, pick up your plate, walk around, meet people. There'll be a bar actually in the room

01:04:00.280 where we were, uh, at, at the evening. So everyone will be, uh, thoroughly lubricated and marinated

01:04:06.100 and, and, you know, Robert Taylor will perform. We'll have some other people talking. So,

01:04:11.120 you know, my hope is that, you know, by, and then actually, you know, we're in the heart of

01:04:15.640 Washington DC. So, uh, Washington DC, I guess is a terrible place. It's the belly of the beast,

01:04:21.120 but it's also a place where they've got good bars and, and, you know, it's a big city. And so,

01:04:26.760 you know, my hope is that, you know, midnight of, uh, October 31st, November 1st, people will have

01:04:32.880 forgotten most of the stuff they, most speeches they listened to, but they will have made new

01:04:38.520 friends and they would have had a good time and are kind of drunk. That, that is my goal. And

01:04:43.880 it's Halloween. We can celebrate a pagan celebration. I find too, it's almost like

01:04:49.420 ethno church. It's like a holy feeling when like-minded people get together. That's what

01:04:53.820 I've experienced when I've gone to a couple of these conferences. Now it's, that's how I can

01:04:57.560 explain it. It's a holy feeling when all these people come together.

01:05:01.360 It, it absolutely is. I mean, and, and that's why I think that that's in a way why Christianity

01:05:06.700 is still, still going, even though very few people really truly believe in it. Um, and, and that is

01:05:14.040 that it's just about coming together on Sunday. It's a ritual. It's about singing in a choir.

01:05:18.680 There's something deeply therapeutic about singing. I mean, I, I mean, as most people,

01:05:23.080 I love singing in the shower or, you know, uh, when I'm driving around, you know, you know,

01:05:27.860 there's something wonderful about singing, about resonating and, and people singing in a choir.

01:05:33.580 It's, it's euphoric, you know, when you're in tune with your neighbor. And I think that's kind

01:05:38.780 of what we're doing where, um, we might do a little communal singing. In fact, we can find a song

01:05:44.000 that we all know, but yeah, it's about being in tune with your neighbor and sitting next to

01:05:47.960 someone who's on the same page with you. And yeah, that it is absolutely, it is, it is like

01:05:52.860 church and the best way. I think sometimes our conferences have been a little bit too much

01:05:57.760 like graduate school in the sense that, you know, we all go and a presenter speaks and we

01:06:04.120 ask questions. And I think that's good because this, this is an intellectual movement, but it

01:06:08.340 can't only be about that. You know, we, we can't, we can't let that predominate over the

01:06:14.680 social aspects about meeting people and drinking and making jokes and so on and so forth. And,

01:06:20.980 and so, so hopefully that will be, you know, what, uh, uh, you know, what we can accomplish

01:06:26.240 at the NBI conference.

01:06:27.520 Well, we'll definitely be there too, but let everyone know how they can get tickets.

01:06:31.500 Well, uh, the best way is you could just Google NPI conference, um, become who we are,

01:06:38.580 my name or something like that. That would probably lead you there.

01:06:41.020 Or you could go to npievents.com. So that's, uh, N, N as in Nancy, P as in Peter, I as in

01:06:48.840 Indiana, events.com. And, uh, you can register there. Uh, we actually, for, for, we actually

01:06:55.940 also have some events that are coinciding with the conference. There's a dinner on Friday

01:06:59.900 and a brunch on Sunday. And, uh, but you, but you know, you would just, just come. We

01:07:06.160 actually have still, we still have about, I think we have nine remaining of a millennial

01:07:10.640 tickets. And so if you are 30 years old or younger, you can actually attend everything,

01:07:16.280 get the food, get everything for a hundred dollars. And so we, we've really subsidized

01:07:21.340 things for younger people because we know that, you know, a, we like to have younger

01:07:25.560 people there, but we also know that, uh, you know, young people are dealing with a terrible

01:07:30.020 economy and student loan debt and all that kind of nonsense. We want to make it a lot easier.

01:07:34.240 And, uh, so yeah, I mean, I just, I really hope people come. I, I, it's going to be intellectually

01:07:40.700 stimulating. I can guarantee that just because, you know, we have McDonald and Faye and Jack

01:07:45.440 Donovan, Preston, me, Michael Hill. Uh, but I think more than that, uh, it's going to be,

01:07:52.720 you know, socially invigorating. It, you really will, you'll feel a part of something. And I think

01:07:59.860 that's, that's really the whole point of it. So, you know, MPI events.com, you can go there,

01:08:04.440 you can register and, uh, you know, hopefully you can be at the, uh, the ghoulish, uh, Halloween

01:08:11.340 fest on October 31st. Well, Richard, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. I've really enjoyed

01:08:16.700 this. Oh, the pleasure is mine. Thank you. To our East coast listeners, get your butt to the NPI

01:08:22.080 conference in Washington, DC on Halloween. I know it'll be worth it. You can meet up with like-minded 0.68

01:08:27.720 folks. Be yourself and think subversive thoughts in the belly of the beast. Sounds like fun to me.

01:08:33.540 As I said, there really is something special when we can come together and focus our intentions and

01:08:38.540 goals. It's important to do this regularly in my view for morale, for folkhood, for strategic

01:08:44.080 planning and reassessing. But of course there's a massive spiritual element to this as well.

01:08:49.280 We'll be there. So hope to see you there. Go to NPI events.com to get a ticket. And don't forget,

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01:09:03.840 incredibly diverse. We haven't always been so unapologetically pro-European, that's for sure.

01:09:09.260 But as Richard said, it's a valuable aspect that many of us have taken different paths

01:09:13.200 to get to where we are now having this conversation. Have a great evening. We'll talk soon.

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Radio 3Fourteen - July 29, 2015

Cuckservatives_ Social Justice Warriors _ The White Problem

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