Radio 3Fourteen - Dr. Walter Russell_ Seed of the Cosmic Man

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:00.000 Walter Russell, born in 1871.

00:01:03.160 He is known as the man who tapped the secrets of the universe.

00:01:06.140 Well, trick-or-treat, how are you, Matt?

00:01:08.920 I'm doing well, Lana.

00:01:10.160 Thanks for inviting me onto your program.

00:01:12.100 Well, it's my pleasure.

00:01:13.160 I hear there's been mass chemtrails spraying over the East Coast over the last week.

00:01:18.320 Have you noticed anything?

00:01:19.140 I actually saw John Cale's video on the South Carolina chemtrails sky.

00:01:26.480 It was more than dotted with chemtrails. 0.79

00:01:28.860 It was just utterly disgusting to me to see all that garbage in the atmosphere. 0.51

00:01:34.840 But Missouri is not immune to chemtrails. 0.97

00:01:37.820 I wish it was.

00:01:38.640 But really, no place over the U.S. is immune.

00:01:41.580 And I often wonder what the purpose of it is.

00:01:44.620 But it makes no sense.

00:01:47.320 It's pretty nasty stuff, though.

00:01:48.860 Well, it's just interesting, too.

00:01:49.920 Yeah, I saw Cale's video.

00:01:50.980 He said that usually around Halloween, Charleston gets really sprayed.

00:01:54.240 But it's just interesting because there was just a huge hurricane, Hurricane Sandy.

00:01:58.040 So maybe they were trying to control that a little bit.

00:02:01.160 That's interesting.

00:02:01.940 This one kind of, I think, was beyond their control.

00:02:07.300 I don't know that they actually, you know, a lot of people think they engineer these things.

00:02:10.780 But I'm kind of, you know, look at the sun prior to these hurricanes.

00:02:15.820 And there was a massive solar flare about four or five days ago in the opposite hemisphere of the sun.

00:02:24.240 So it kind of seems like that might have had something to do with the intensity of the storm as well as the full moon.

00:02:29.640 So I just hope, I hope they don't, I hope that everybody's okay.

00:02:35.000 And at least that they get that nuclear power plant, that Oyster Creek power plant under control.

00:02:40.460 Because that's all we need is another Fukushima. 0.53

00:02:43.880 That's right.

00:02:44.720 I know.

00:02:45.400 And this goes into Walter Russell's work because he was against the power plants.

00:02:50.640 Anyway, I read lessons one through four that you sent me.

00:02:53.940 And his words were more like food, food that kind of gets you in a sweet, meditative, restful place.

00:02:59.140 It was more like a message going soul to soul rather than body computer to body computer, if you know what I mean.

00:03:04.720 So how about we begin with you telling us who Walter Russell was and how he received his information you're going to share with us?

00:03:11.540 Sure thing.

00:03:12.140 Walter Russell was an American polymath and autodidactic who was a master horseman, master sculptorist, master artist, master musician, master philosopher, a master scientist.

00:03:27.480 He had a degree conferred upon him, a doctorate degree in science.

00:03:30.980 I believe it was around 1949 or so.

00:03:33.600 All his life, he worked knowingly, as he called it, with the creator, with God, which he considered to be the universal one, which also happens to be the title of his first book.

00:03:48.160 Just an interesting fellow in terms of his power to demonstrate his knowledge to the world.

00:03:57.940 I have to also insert here, he was also an ice skater.

00:04:01.440 So he was a true renaissance man.

00:04:04.100 And a master horseman, you know, Walter Cronkite quoted of him when he passed away or refolded, as the Russells used that term, instead of death or dying, that Leonardo da Vinci of the 20th century had died.

00:04:21.620 So they considered him to be up on that par as an artist.

00:04:26.640 And how did you discover him?

00:04:27.620 Ironically, I was in a used bookstore, and this was probably around 2005 or so.

00:04:34.360 And I kicked the book, The Secret of Light.

00:04:37.140 It was on a bottom shelf, and I picked it up, really didn't think too much of it.

00:04:41.800 I kind of figured it was a Masonic book of some sort.

00:04:44.960 So it was two bucks, and I bought it, and it sat on the shelf for a few years.

00:04:50.000 And until later, I got an interesting nudge out of the gate, if you will, kind of a suspicion to open it up and read it.

00:05:00.060 And as soon as I read the first page or two, I was glued.

00:05:04.140 And from that point, I've just basically consumed every single bit of this universal law, living philosophy, and natural science I could get my hands on.

00:05:12.780 Well, I definitely want to focus on the more philosophical principles, but also I think we should briefly discuss his view on science.

00:05:20.540 How are Walter's views of the universe different from, let's say, like quantum physics, the electric universe, there's the holographic universe, there's the morphogenetic field ideas.

00:05:28.860 So how are his views different?

00:05:32.100 Well, his views, he basically, through his illumination, he was shown, which was a 39-day-long illumination.

00:05:38.880 And that's where he gained the knowledge from the light of mind, as it's called, in mystic circles and these experiences of mystics and illuminates having this flash of light.

00:05:50.700 His happened the last 39 days, where he was pretty much out of his body the entire time.

00:05:56.940 He wrote down some 40,000 words and hundreds of charts and drawings, and having never studied science at all in his life, or chemistry, for that matter.

00:06:06.420 I know his wife, Helen, at the time, called the authorities.

00:06:12.920 Two friends of his came over to evaluate him, and they saw his writings, and they basically advised her to let him be, that he was doing something that was out whitmaning Walt Whitman.

00:06:25.800 So they advised her just to let him go on with his illumination, and fortunately for us, that's the case, because today, anyone in that kind of state would probably immediately be thrown in a nuthouse.

00:06:37.900 But basically what his science teaches is that this universe is a two-way, continuous motion universe, as opposed to a one-way Catholic universe, which I got to stress, the Catholic universe origin is the child of Monsignor Jesuit priest, Georges Lemaite.

00:07:00.600 And Lemaite, ironically, after he had stated his theory, Pope Pius XII referred to the new theory of the origin of the universe as a scientific validation of the Catholic faith.

00:07:15.180 And Walter just could not imagine that a universe could not first build itself up into solidity before just tearing itself apart.

00:07:23.160 So it was a discontinuous, one-way, heat-death, exhalation-only universe, whereas all bodies in nature that we can experience and witness breathe in and out.

00:07:34.080 And so he firmly disagreed with that, as well as disagreeing with Newton's law of gravity, which he said was only half right, because Newton didn't explain how the apple got up in the air in the first place.

00:07:46.960 So it's just little things like that, in the science end of it, got me really interested in wanting to put this information out there, because it does call into question some of the things we refer to as laws.

00:08:01.400 And I think it's a little bit premature in man's world to call things laws until we really, really get a good dissection of what it is we're referring to.

00:08:12.240 Well, that's right. And you did a good job. You presented some videos on thesecretoflight.com that really shows detailed diagrams laying out his scientific theories, which is probably easier to understand looking at some diagrams versus talking about it on radio.

00:08:25.780 Certainly, yeah. I recommend anyone go there for a more thorough breakdown.

00:08:29.880 But, yeah, the philosophy, you know, is a beautiful part of it, too.

00:08:35.740 And just the natural science, you know, it's basically men like Victor Schauberger, who also saw the vortices in nature.

00:08:44.640 Tesla had his flashes.

00:08:47.100 And most of these great men, what they presented to the world was, you know, just a gifted view using nature as their background.

00:08:55.320 And I think what that does for mankind is it gives him a little more clarity when you base it on something we can understand, like nature, as opposed to theories that are kind of bizarre and out there that really are, you know, like string theory, for instance, is basically less than one-tenth of one percent of the entire human race can even understand string theory.

00:09:18.200 And kind of got to be in the good old boys' club to really understand the universe from that perspective.

00:09:25.360 But it is interesting that most of the chairs of the major universities in science are held by string theorists.

00:09:33.320 Yeah, that's interesting, huh?

00:09:35.040 So what would Walter say about parallel universes and multi-dimensions?

00:09:39.000 Were those myths to him as well?

00:09:40.300 I would say so, because, I mean, what we're dealing with is three dimensions in this physical reality.

00:09:47.300 And other dimensions, he referred to dimensions like being time and height and weight.

00:09:53.960 And if you're talking about other dimensions in that aspect, I think he'd agree.

00:09:57.620 But, like, dimensions where, you know, there's a parallel you happening, doing something different.

00:10:03.500 I just don't really see that he would necessarily agree with something like that.

00:10:10.300 Yeah, I read a quote he was saying, creating your universe in forms that reflect your nature, but working with God's assistance.

00:10:16.980 So to me, this can mean that there are even multiple ways to interpret the universe.

00:10:20.800 Maybe that's why we have so many different theories floating around.

00:10:24.400 That's correct.

00:10:25.480 This one can be – what's interesting is he seemed to lay it out in such a way that it aligns perfectly with nature.

00:10:32.380 So I tend myself not to necessarily think of what he delivered as a theory, more or less an actual working model of creation that we see.

00:10:42.980 And I must clarify that his reference to God – and I know God is a very loaded term, but that's what they spoke in the 40s and 50s.

00:10:51.680 Which they pretty much – they would also refer to it as the creator.

00:10:56.020 I think just right off the flip for the listeners, the word God, according to Russell, is sexless, stillness, and silence.

00:11:05.200 And this is where the entire theory of the wave mechanics of Rousselian science come from, is the unfolding of stillness into motion and then the return of motion to stillness.

00:11:18.760 And basically this is what we see in all through nature, from the atom up to the galaxy.

00:11:26.000 That's right.

00:11:26.720 He also referred to the electric wave universe as an electric record of God's thinking, basically.

00:11:31.820 That's correct.

00:11:34.260 And he called his first book the universal one in respect to the one mind of which all of us are a part of.

00:11:43.980 Can you talk about his idea of understanding and being the cause in order to command the effects?

00:11:50.040 Well, sure.

00:11:50.880 If it's a thought wave universe, which I tend to side with that, basically the two differences between mystic science –

00:11:58.220 or the one difference between the science of the mystic and the science of the materialist rests upon an assumption,

00:12:04.440 where the materialist assumes that mind is an effect of matter, but generally the mystic throughout all the ages has known mind to be the cause of matter.

00:12:15.060 So therein lies, I think, the fundamental difference in the way that mysticism works versus materialism.

00:12:24.280 And if you can look at the universe, I guess what happens with thoughts is pretty much –

00:12:33.060 if you need an experiment to see that thought is the creation or is the impetus for the creation of man's ideas,

00:12:41.900 then simply remove any concepts that man's ever had, and all of man's creations would disappear with it.

00:12:48.580 Because any body that we make, whether it be a poem, a radio interview, a painting, a song, is first an idea in the mind.

00:12:59.680 And so in like fashion, that's how the creator creates its universe.

00:13:04.940 And what ideas are, the reason they're bulletproof is because they don't exist in this three-dimensional reality.

00:13:12.240 What happens is we build bodies for our ideas.

00:13:15.680 So these bodies are the representative pieces of our mind.

00:13:21.260 And only as good as your body is built, whatever body that be, according to your ideas, is how much time it'll last.

00:13:31.000 So the better you build it, the more perfect it is, the more it has the rhythms of creation in it,

00:13:36.540 the more it can inspire your fellow men.

00:13:39.140 And Beethoven's a good example for that is Moonlight Sonata or various artists who are able – like Alex Gray, for instance –

00:13:49.020 just able to transmit their knowing onto canvas or into composition.

00:13:54.280 And the better and more in the light you were when you brought this idea to the forefront,

00:14:01.000 the more potent it is and the more of an effect it has on the masses.

00:14:06.440 That's right, because then your formed body, if you will, it has a soul as opposed to like a godless creation

00:14:12.500 where it's just bankrupt and empty, kind of like Top 40 music today, you know, or some bad Hollywood movie.

00:14:17.920 Well, pretty much anything coming from the music industry in Hollywood, I kind of look at it with a grain of salt.

00:14:23.760 It's just unappealing and very uninspiring.

00:14:26.520 It's de-inspiring, and I think it's meant to steal your energy and basically depolarize your body into a state of decay.

00:14:33.660 Mm-hmm. I also like, too, that he said to learn to work with God, you know, not having God work for us,

00:14:40.180 like so many religious people kind of – they look at Jesus or God as a sugar daddy, you know, or God is like –

00:14:46.420 Exactly.

00:14:47.020 God is like the welfare state or something instead of learning to do –

00:14:51.100 And that was his wife, Leo, who he married in 1947, I believe, and they co-wrote the home study course together, which is 12 units.

00:15:01.320 And she also co-authored a book called God Will Work With You But Not For You.

00:15:06.540 And she was adamant that, you know, man has to balance his thinking with action.

00:15:10.880 And, I mean, there's a lot of wishful thinkers you can dream all day of being a great concert pianist,

00:15:15.720 but if you don't woodshed and practice, it'll amount to nothing, no matter how strong your thoughts are about it.

00:15:21.480 That's right.

00:15:21.940 So that's kind of the idea and principle of, you know, unfolding your thoughts into a creation.

00:15:29.420 And then, you know, you have to balance your thinking with action in order to perfect the techniques of your creation.

00:15:35.720 Walter talked about finding the zero of stillness and making it second nature.

00:15:40.820 He even kind of gave tips for people who struggle with it.

00:15:43.320 Can you talk a little bit about this zero of stillness?

00:15:46.460 Well, sure.

00:15:47.160 We have concentration, and the opposite of concentration is decentration.

00:15:51.800 It's a word, neologism he made up.

00:15:54.800 He actually made up several words to – and also changed the fundamental definitions of some of them.

00:16:02.560 Decentration basically is zeroing your thoughts.

00:16:06.520 There's a lot of talk in the New Age movement about raising your vibrations.

00:16:10.960 What's funny about that is actually to get closer to the creator, you have to lower your vibrations and your thoughts and still your mind.

00:16:20.240 There's that famous saying, be still and know that I am God.

00:16:24.220 That's right.

00:16:24.620 I think what that really means is basically decentrating is sending your thoughts out into space, unwinding, you know, the wound-up condition of concentration.

00:16:35.140 You know, springs wind up.

00:16:36.400 Things, heat and cool, but there's basically two polarities to everything and are two different kinds of states of being.

00:16:49.300 And we live in a very – it's a sexed universe.

00:16:53.420 You know, male and female are the pairs of opposite creations that we have to deal with. 1.00

00:17:00.180 And basically, Walter's idea of meditation was that you need to zero your thoughts, still your thoughts, still your mind.

00:17:08.240 And at that point in decentration, when you become the zero or become still in your mind, that's where you can harness the great ideas.

00:17:18.600 That's where you can formulate through that light of knowing within yourself.

00:17:24.680 And in a waking state, he also talked about being able to wakingly meditate.

00:17:33.560 So as he would be, you know, creating something, he said this in a writing somewhere, there are times his mind would start thinking about money or something or troubles with whatever.

00:17:45.820 And he would open the door of his studio and let himself out and then slam the door and go back to work.

00:17:51.040 So let out that part of yourself that constantly nags in the back of your mind.

00:17:56.720 Or, you know, it's hard to get control of that.

00:17:58.820 Eckhart Tolle said you had to arrest your thoughts, and I think that's a good way of looking at it.

00:18:04.860 You know, just finding that – the ability to become still in your mind so that you can harness the power of mind idea.

00:18:13.040 That's right.

00:18:13.480 And getting still and then you can get more in touch with the God consciousness, I guess.

00:18:18.520 Exactly.

00:18:18.840 And it seems like nowadays you have to really go out in the woods because there's electromagnetic frequencies.

00:18:24.100 People are drinking too much coffee.

00:18:25.600 It's loud.

00:18:26.380 You know, there's a lot of astral energies flying around.

00:18:29.260 So some people have to really go to – literally go to a quiet place, you know.

00:18:34.700 Certainly.

00:18:35.340 I think once you do it enough, though, I mean, I'm starting to notice in my own self an ability to kind of – you know.

00:18:41.940 I think we do it a lot when we drive, if you drive a lot.

00:18:45.920 It's almost like driving is secondary.

00:18:48.300 When you're actually imagining all these things that have nothing to do with driving, your body just kind of automatically does what it needs to to get where it needs to go.

00:18:56.240 But it's sort of that ability to be wakingly meditative that you can carry this kind of thought process into your daily activities and make them much more enjoyable because you kind of have a more – more of a centered balancing piece about the whole process of living.

00:19:12.960 That's right.

00:19:14.540 It kind of makes you more psychic too when I get in that kind of zone.

00:19:17.820 I can go out and also do mundane things and it doesn't bother me as much.

00:19:22.560 Kind of stay in a happier place.

00:19:26.140 He also spoke about the importance of awakening your genius and listening to the inner voice.

00:19:30.780 Can you talk about that a little bit?

00:19:33.580 Well, certainly.

00:19:35.180 I guess the question we should ask is what is it that separates a genius from an ordinary man?

00:19:40.100 And I think what Walter noticed right off the bat was that genius never tires.

00:19:46.460 Genius, it's always interested and generally is not ruined by school.

00:19:53.940 So the greatest men in our world have a common thread and that's nature.

00:19:59.240 And in your realizations and your oneness with nature, your imaginings, your inspirations, the beauty that you see in the world, the knowledge that you possess within yourself is brought to the forefront.

00:20:12.600 And the masters among us, the geniuses, men and women, are those who can create bodies of work that endure.

00:20:22.060 And they endure because they have inspiration in them.

00:20:26.800 And the inspiration can re-inspire millions upon millions of people.

00:20:31.240 Even sports figures can get into the zone.

00:20:33.560 And like Michael Jordan had just a miraculous season back in the late 80s that people talked about the zone.

00:20:39.800 Well, I would say that the zone is a form of self-mastery of the body, even if it is from an athletic point of view.

00:20:46.840 But the zone is sort of like a mini illumination.

00:20:50.760 It's mastery of what you're doing in the moment.

00:20:54.540 And what geniuses do is they are able to do this almost daily.

00:20:59.880 They just have this mastery of life that is, for one thing, it's kind of scary to some folks.

00:21:07.940 I think, you know, J.P. Morgan, when he decided not to fund Tesla after his idea of free power, was one of a fear, you know, fear for his own bank account.

00:21:19.160 His reaction basically to free energy was, you mean all I can make money on is these lousy antennas, Tesla?

00:21:25.200 So we saw what should have been a wireless power generation system disappear 100 years ago.

00:21:32.780 But basically what genius does is it outperforms all other men, and for a reason, because they're able to translate their ideas into bodies that have a higher amount of concentration in it, of pure thought and awareness and inspiration.

00:21:48.280 It's interesting you bring up school, too, because school doesn't teach knowledge or inspiration.

00:21:53.900 It's just repetition and regurgitation.

00:21:57.140 Yeah, remembering and repeating is not knowledge.

00:22:00.220 And that's how we grade the students the best.

00:22:02.840 Those who remember and repeat the best get the highest grade.

00:22:06.440 And so what you're doing is, and that's, you know, Charlotte Thompson Iserby wrote in their Dumbing Down of America,

00:22:12.740 that's kind of the direction that school was going, you know, that the curriculums were beginning to, you know,

00:22:21.160 the loss of the trivium and quadrivium and just things of teaching, you know, ability to critically think and reason in our school systems is all but gone.

00:22:32.520 So Russell said one of the two greatest things that ever happened to him was leaving school in an early age before it ruined him.

00:22:41.140 That's right.

00:22:43.800 Well, he also was against technique, Walter was saying, because anyone can acquire that.

00:22:48.600 But inspiration is something that you have to be awakened.

00:22:51.700 You have to kind of work for it a bit.

00:22:53.320 And when it's inspired, then you can put out amazing things versus technique just making kind of mediocre things.

00:23:00.120 Yeah, I think, you know, he's pretty much understood that if you need to practice a technique like a pianist,

00:23:07.440 or you need to practice your brushstroke and painting or whatever technique that you can acquire techniques through the light of mind and save yourself some time.

00:23:18.560 But if you need to, he was definitely against experimenting in science.

00:23:22.740 He was so complete on his knowledge of universal function and natural law that I think he found it really strange and bizarre when he began to research science books after his illumination.

00:23:36.740 He was quoted as saying, the language in which science spoke was so utterly complex and it reminded him of, you know, these bizarre academic guesses reminded him of the four elephants theory holding up the corners of the earth, that it was that archaic.

00:23:56.580 So he had to learn the language of science from 1921 until about 1927 when he released his book to 1,000 prominent scientists around the world.

00:24:08.960 And I think one of the only ones to respond to the book, The Universal One, was Nikola Tesla.

00:24:14.180 And Nikola told him to lock it up in the Smithsonian for 1,000 years because mankind was not ready for this knowledge.

00:24:20.860 And Leo came along later in his life in 1947 or so and she told him that the world doesn't have 1,000 years and we need to get this stuff out now and release it to the world.

00:24:33.540 And if it wasn't for her, there'd be no, probably no mention of Walter Russell in the history books.

00:24:40.240 Well, good lady.

00:24:41.660 Indeed.

00:24:42.340 So for all co-creators and part of God, isn't it also true that there might be some level of clashing creations, especially right now?

00:24:48.740 I mean, I see a clash between the God forms with the God-less forms.

00:24:52.020 So how would Walter say to look at it?

00:24:55.140 Well, I think he would point out that there's a difference in views of a person who's mindful and aware of their creative side versus those who live in a materialistic, externalist kind of life.

00:25:10.900 Unfortunately, at this time, materialistic science is king of the road, has been for 300 years.

00:25:19.260 And at least to me, myself, science has gone down the wrong road by removing the creator from its creation.

00:25:28.180 In other words, to remove the mind force as being causal has proved to be colossally damaging, in my opinion.

00:25:37.460 And I think Russell, everything he did, he operated from a modality of being connected to source at all times.

00:25:45.920 And he thought really along the lines that any man who is a genius, what he does different than other men is he demonstrates his mind power in his ability to create his creations.

00:25:57.140 And what we're seeing today is an extremely materialistic society who is outwardly defined through the ego, culturally inept, because basically culture is now being handed to you from Hollywood, music industry, and the sports industry.

00:26:15.000 And so a lot of people are really lost in the external world, don't have much of a connection to their inner selves.

00:26:23.500 And I hear a lot of people all the time say, I wish I could do that, or I wish I could do this.

00:26:28.120 I think that's really a fundamental difference in approaches to life, and that's what is probably responsible for this clash, because the materialists want to basically create this scientific technocracy, this through plutocracy, and basically control the rest of humanity as some sort of farm animal.

00:26:51.940 Whereas genius has never been able to be controlled, so Russell often spoke that some of his famous quotes, one of being, genius is self-bestowed, mediocrity is self-inflicted.

00:27:07.960 I love that one, I was actually going to read that in the end.

00:27:12.500 Sorry if I took away the steam there.

00:27:14.220 No, no, it's an excellent one, I love that.

00:27:16.200 Oh, he's got so many, I could just go on and on.

00:27:18.860 Well, if nature doesn't allow for imbalance, maybe eventually all this mess and all these big power structures and ideas are going to crumble.

00:27:27.040 I mean, it's about time.

00:27:29.060 Exactly, and that's what we're seeing.

00:27:30.660 I mean, one thing that people have to understand is universal law cannot be trumped.

00:27:36.280 The law of balance is irrevocable, it's inexorable, and there's no getting around it.

00:27:42.580 And to the degree that man breaks universal laws, to the degree that he will be broken by it.

00:27:49.160 And I think it's very humbling when I realized how universal law applied in my life.

00:27:54.800 All the things I look back on my life and that I did wrong, I can say that destroyed me there, that cut me down there.

00:28:01.660 My in-awareness, my lack of being able to know that my choices have very real effects.

00:28:09.680 And I think that man has been progressing for several thousand years without a true sense of responsibility.

00:28:17.840 So, nature is the ultimate balancer of all man's actions, and she will set them right if he doesn't first do so himself.

00:28:27.480 And people always have this approach of, why did this happen to me?

00:28:31.300 And they're looking at it at a wrong way.

00:28:32.940 It's like you have to dig a bit deeper and say, what is the lesson here?

00:28:38.500 What is nature trying to tell me?

00:28:40.120 What am I missing so it doesn't happen again, you know?

00:28:42.860 So you can kind of get back straight on your path.

00:28:46.920 Well, he also had a great summary for the law of equal giving for re-giving.

00:28:50.820 I really like that one.

00:28:51.700 Can you get into that one?

00:28:53.660 Sure.

00:28:54.020 Well, him and Leo realized early on that they each were, since their childhood, prepared to meet one another.

00:29:05.140 When she called him on the phone after reading the book, The Man That Tapped the Secrets of the Universe by Glenn Clark,

00:29:12.200 he answered the phone and said, I know your voice.

00:29:15.160 I'll come to you at once.

00:29:17.040 And as soon as they got together, they began to formulate plans.

00:29:19.860 And he was president of the Arts and Sciences Society in New York and started the Twilight Club through a grant from Andrew Carnegie.

00:29:31.220 Ironically, a lot of the luminaries of the day attended this club, from Mark Twain to Ralph Waldo Emerson to Walt Whitman to just multitudes of genius men.

00:29:43.940 And their whole purpose was to get together to create organizations that would uplift and build character in man because as Edwin Markham and others who were attendees of this Twilight Club saw that mankind was headed for a disaster and a total collapse of civilization if they didn't do something.

00:30:05.560 So out of the Twilight Club came such things as the Lions Clubs, the Boy Scouts of America, the Better Business Bureau, and all these things that were designed initially to help instill character in men, integrity.

00:30:21.460 And basically what we're seeing now is the warnings of all these people coming true that there is a grave lack of integrity in our leaders.

00:30:32.220 There's a grave lack of integrity in the hidden hand and the power structures of this world.

00:30:38.980 And I think that's a sign of what happens when you lose touch with the inner light within you and become enamored by the external world and the desire for worldly things instead of the treasures of the soul.

00:30:55.540 Equal giving for re-giving.

00:30:56.820 I was getting into that and I kind of went off on a tangent there.

00:30:59.500 It's great. I love it.

00:31:01.340 The law of giving for equal re-giving is based on nature's ways and processes.

00:31:05.900 What Walter saw in nature was nature's ability to create abundance.

00:31:12.040 And she had a beautiful rhythmic way of giving all life forms what they need and providing perpetual balance. 0.92

00:31:22.280 And in mankind, we don't see balance.

00:31:24.680 We see a lot of taking going on.

00:31:27.660 And there's a lot of different authors who have written about it.

00:31:31.440 For instance, Daniel Quinn wrote Ishmael about a gorilla who would talk to this guy about how the takers are ruining the planet.

00:31:40.980 And it's basically this taking mentality is the external man, which is coming to an end.

00:31:46.640 And what external man is so good at is taking and creating an imbalance, which taking does not create the will or the inspiration to re-give.

00:31:56.940 It just creates the will to take more.

00:32:00.620 Taking and re-taking, you could say.

00:32:02.500 To where we have an entire civilization who is materialistic, especially in the States here. 0.96

00:32:09.280 I think that it's obvious when you see people on Black Friday lined up at a Walmart stomping each other to death to get to useless crap they don't even need.

00:32:19.220 I mean, that's the peak example of materialism.

00:32:23.280 And nature's law is giving for equal re-giving.

00:32:26.580 And I think when man lives that principle, he benefits and extends balance to his own surrounding, which I liken that to really being the change you seek.

00:32:36.300 Because what Gandhi knew was that you can't use evil to defeat evil unless you become that which you're fighting.

00:32:45.220 So, the whole approach of the mystic is really to give to his fellow men his creations from within himself.

00:32:53.200 And that uplifts humanity.

00:32:55.380 And that's what gives civilization life.

00:32:58.220 It's only when we take, you know, and we have this group of takers, this, you know, it's been called many things.

00:33:04.900 I like to call it the D-Luminati because they have no light in them.

00:33:08.720 But, you know, other people call it the 1% or whatever it is.

00:33:13.900 It's certainly a sickness.

00:33:15.380 And I think we're seeing it unravel before our eyes.

00:33:18.720 But isn't that kind of the law of the jungle?

00:33:21.120 I mean, that's nature, but it's kind of, it's brutal.

00:33:25.360 And animals, they just take what they can, right?

00:33:28.260 Well, not necessarily.

00:33:29.640 I mean, I don't think lions take all the gazelle out of the fields.

00:33:34.400 They just take one enough to sustain themselves.

00:33:37.160 So, in that, I would say there's a balanced action and reaction there.

00:33:41.400 But what man does is he takes more than he can even use and hoards it and stuffs it into vaults.

00:33:48.180 And, you know, like William Randolph Hearst, for instance, having held at one time one quarter of the world's art, which wasn't even on display.

00:33:57.620 I mean, what good is it, you know, if it's all in warehouses and crates?

00:34:02.760 But, yeah, the animal kingdom is, to me, a measure of balance.

00:34:06.960 I mean, if we could learn to live more like nature, you know, and take life with, you know, a sense of awareness.

00:34:18.740 Like when you take the life of an animal or before you eat a hamburger, have a sense of awareness of what it is you're doing so that you can kind of, you know, pay a little respect to the spirit that gave its life for us to, you know.

00:34:31.580 It's just this rampant taking that has no regard for others is a chronic illness, and I think it's a part of a psychopathy.

00:34:41.160 And I know Michael Tassarion, I've heard him on Red Eye several times talk about that kind of, you know, lack of responsibility in man that allows him to become that kind of creature.

00:34:54.900 I think, too, though, the majority of people, I don't know, do you think the majority of people would be that way, or is it just a small percentile that are just absolutely so greedy and hoarding and wasteful?

00:35:05.800 Because most of the people I know and associate with are more respectful and don't hoard, you know, and they wouldn't even if they had a billion dollars, you know.

00:35:13.920 Certainly, yeah. It is endemic. I mean, there's, you know, the original industrialists, most of them, you know, like Andrew Carnegie and others, were not trying to control the world.

00:35:30.060 I think they, you know, Ford was one of the men who said, give the workers good living conditions and good food and good neighborhoods and they'll do better work for you.

00:35:40.040 And I think it's the children of these industrialists who pretty much have gone off the deep end with materialism because they were born with a silver spoon.

00:35:50.020 They, you know, they were handed everything and they don't know the value of hard work.

00:35:54.860 I think that stems back to Leo's God will work with you but not for you.

00:35:58.500 I mean, when everything's handed to you and you don't have to work to get anything and you're just to assume control of somebody else's idea, be it your father's or whoever, then you just kind of fit right into that position and you become an extension of that idea.

00:36:13.100 But, you know, do they have the same value system or the same morality?

00:36:18.760 Is there more of a, because I was raised rich, you have a different kind of outlook on people.

00:36:25.880 So, it's easy to get caught up in.

00:36:28.340 I'm kind of glad I never was rich and that I don't have a lot of money because I'd probably think like them.

00:36:34.860 And then you hear some rich people that are, they have so much money and you hear them talking the talk like about, oh, well, free energy or they're even getting involved in like alternative media and things.

00:36:45.960 But they don't actually help fund certain things that could really make a difference while they have millions of dollars.

00:36:51.300 You know what I mean?

00:36:53.160 Exactly.

00:36:53.880 What's the guy?

00:36:54.500 The two and a half men guy, Charlie Sheen, you know, he's on Alex Jones and all that and I just don't know what I can do.

00:36:59.820 And it's like, well, you have millions of dollars and you can help like fund some energy device or something.

00:37:04.860 Yeah, I mean, certainly.

00:37:08.760 And, you know, there's so much going on with, you know, I think what the beauty of the science in that respect to free energy is, is that when man starts thinking of his universe as a two-way motion continuous universe instead of a heat death dying universe, then he'll begin to understand nature more because it's based on natural law.

00:37:28.320 And as science is taught in universities now, the second law of thermodynamics forbids perpetual motion and you can't break the law.

00:37:38.140 So, really, we're stuck in the university system teaching children and young adults about a dysfunctional science that's once they learn and begin to believe that there's no chance for perpetual motion, then they kind of get locked in that sense-based reality of the world.

00:37:58.160 But my question is, show me anything that isn't in perpetual motion.

00:38:02.220 The entire universe is moving at enormous velocity and it's all perpetual motion.

00:38:08.400 It's just when we learn to copy nature, the way nature uses energy, Victor Schauberger said of nature that she didn't need to blow things up in order to do her work.

00:38:18.620 But yet, man is the only creature in the world that explodes things in order to get work out of it.

00:38:24.640 And I think that comes from this big bang kind of outlook on the universe.

00:38:29.720 And that's what explodemia is. 0.55

00:38:31.800 It's a discontinuous one-way heat death dying exhalation only universe, compliments of the Catholic Church. 0.99

00:38:37.860 And I tend to think, you know, when I look at and have been researching into LeMate lately, that this may be a leap for some people.

00:38:47.740 But to me, I believe LeMate was Einstein's handler and for a lot of reasons because the dysfunctional theory taught by Einstein, you know, which is not even really likely.

00:38:59.240 But to me, that's just becoming more and more obvious that there's a certain element that wants people to be locked into this false explosion-based use of energy.

00:39:14.800 And what we need is a complete upheaval of the current theories that stand in all our universities.

00:39:21.280 We need, you know, just for instance, take the opposites of track law that Colm put out there.

00:39:28.060 Nothing could be further from the truth because you take a bar magnet, if opposites attract it, then north and south would reside in the middle of the magnet.

00:39:37.180 But they don't.

00:39:38.020 They get as opposites repel.

00:39:39.920 They get as far away from each other as they can.

00:39:42.600 So, I mean, these are just little questions that Walter raised that were, like, obvious to him.

00:39:47.200 But the rest of us never really ever think of those things.

00:39:50.360 And this was a long time ago he was saying this.

00:39:53.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:54.500 So, he was commanded by the creation or the creator, if you will, at least what it was to him, to write down these words which would give man a true-to-nature understanding in science and understanding of his universe.

00:40:11.960 I haven't read through all the lessons yet, but I caught a couple lines where he said God had a reason for limiting the senses of reality so we'd believe this simulation.

00:40:20.280 Do you know what that reason was?

00:40:21.420 Well, I would think it's for the play.

00:40:25.620 I mean, this is the drama of creation.

00:40:27.640 And if we were to have been created knowing everything, then there'd be no need for a play.

00:40:37.280 So, I guess it's just sort of the life drama must happen.

00:40:41.840 And man goes through eons of consciousness unfolding.

00:40:44.880 And so, you know, eventually, this may, if we can get through this stage of our crevolution, as I like to say, then perhaps we have a chance at building a world full of geniuses where we won't need armies and militaries.

00:41:01.480 So, also, he talked about the dawn of the cosmic age and the seed of the cosmic man.

00:41:06.560 What did this entail in his view?

00:41:09.360 Well, the cosmic age is the electric age.

00:41:12.120 I mean, it's where man is learning that he's becoming co-creator with creation.

00:41:18.040 And when we – 100 years ago, we didn't have electricity.

00:41:22.660 And so, it ties in with what people at that time called the New Thought Movement, which was being led by the best among us in civilization, the great poets, the great writers, the great musicians.

00:41:36.240 And it was a real chance and a real opportunity for man to enter into a New Thought Movement, a New Thought Age.

00:41:46.240 What ended up happening, obviously, is the greed of man, the barbaristic, jungle-like behaviors that we have carried with us for thousands of years won the day.

00:41:56.760 I mean, so the law of giving and re-giving was violated.

00:41:59.820 And ever since that violation, we've seen these wars.

00:42:03.980 We've seen scarcity, manufactured scarcity.

00:42:07.640 We have just all these different things that troubles with society.

00:42:13.120 And I like to often say that if we could have done the past 100 years the opposite of what we've been doing, in other words, funding the arts and pulling the kids out of school who are staring out the window and going,

00:42:27.780 and what were you thinking of, oh, you want to be an artist?

00:42:30.220 Let's give you this and help you develop that skill.

00:42:33.480 I mean, think of the different world we'd have.

00:42:35.100 Yeah.

00:42:36.140 But instead, what we did was we reverted basically through fear.

00:42:41.100 We chose fear over love.

00:42:42.560 And this is the kind of civilization that fear creates.

00:42:45.660 And there are all too many willing to take the reins of this and lead it off the cliff.

00:42:52.000 Only if we're going to turn it around, we have to disconnect from it and basically come at it all from a different angle.

00:42:59.880 I mean, be no part of the world if you're in it, but we do have to deal with it.

00:43:05.040 So I think if we offer our own creations and be the change we seek, then through that law of balance, we can extend that balance to our homes first and then to our neighborhoods and then, you know, so on and so forth.

00:43:20.260 I think we should also talk about the mind self versus the brain, because I know he mentioned the brain is, you know, an electrical machine, basically a servant to the mind.

00:43:29.220 Can you talk about that?

00:43:31.580 Certainly.

00:43:31.980 Well, the brain has no more ability to – basically the brain has no intelligence in the sense that it utilizes to think with.

00:43:44.260 Again, this is materialistic science that says thinking and knowing comes from the brain.

00:43:50.700 Russell was decidedly against that.

00:43:53.060 He considered knowing to be the omniscience of creation or the universal mind of the one.

00:43:59.500 And this universal mind in and of itself is complete.

00:44:06.400 And all of us are basically units in the universal mind.

00:44:10.660 And we borrow all power from the stillness and return to it.

00:44:16.300 And all of our creations come from mind.

00:44:20.300 First their concepts and then we build bodies for them and then they exist.

00:44:24.220 Basically, materialistic science, you know, probably biology and anatomy would seem to certainly say to the senses that, you know, knowing comes from the brain.

00:44:36.460 But in Russell's view, the brain is just a recorder of electric sensation.

00:44:41.080 It has no more intelligence than a record player or a record does.

00:44:44.740 But yet, you know, certain things you learn, sense-based acquisition of knowledge is all stored there.

00:44:56.260 And that's the difference between knowing and thinking is that you can know your universe that you live in if you try to understand it through the knowing mind of yourself.

00:45:05.140 And that's basically the kingdom of heaven being within.

00:45:09.020 And those who realize that more than others can bring out greater and greater creations than people that don't realize that.

00:45:16.460 Well, he talked about the body, you know, sensing things.

00:45:19.120 It's almost like a washing machine.

00:45:20.400 It senses when there's enough clothes in there and how much water needs to be filled up.

00:45:25.280 I oftentimes wonder if the chakra system in our body is also part of a sensory body thing.

00:45:31.400 So when people do yoga, for instance, they kind of get this high, but that it's not necessarily a spiritual high, but that it's more of a body high.

00:45:39.980 What do you think about that?

00:45:42.540 Well, it all depends on centering.

00:45:44.920 I mean, a lot of yoga is more for the, you know, unwinding the tensions of the body.

00:45:50.560 It's good for the body to unwind tensions and, you know, we are polarities.

00:45:56.300 We are what we think.

00:45:57.780 So if we're thinking in terms of depolarizing thoughts, like that's one of the reasons I don't listen to Alex Jones anymore because it's just too depolarizing for me.

00:46:09.400 And any kind of depolarized condition builds up toxicity in the body.

00:46:13.940 So it's important to be polarized toward life instead of discharging and depolarizing toward death.

00:46:21.940 So I think, you know, yoga is certainly one of the aspects that you can unwind the tensions of the body.

00:46:27.820 But it's also, you know, there are different kinds of yoga.

00:46:31.380 And a friend of mine, Daniel Alva, who's one of the narrators for some of our units, he's a yoga master.

00:46:38.280 And he often talks about the spiritual side of yoga.

00:46:42.500 So it does have benefits, I think, in both realms.

00:46:46.160 It's like keeping a clean machine.

00:46:48.680 Exactly.

00:46:49.440 Exactly.

00:46:50.000 Good tune-up, oil change every once in a while, you know.

00:46:53.220 So if this physical experience is basically an extension of a thought form that's in a body, do you think eventually it's going to collapse?

00:47:01.960 Say that again?

00:47:02.660 If basically, let's say the physical body is kind of an extension of an idea, it's where a thought's made physical, where a form, do you think eventually it's going to collapse, this physical experience, and it's going to turn into something else?

00:47:17.680 That's a good question.

00:47:20.100 I mean, obviously the bodies, this is one of the reasons I kind of just take a frown on certain ideas like time travel or interplanetary travel.

00:47:29.980 Because the pressure conditions on any other planet are quite different than the pressure conditions here.

00:47:36.800 I mean, you couldn't survive on Mars, I don't believe, any more than you could go to the bottom of the ocean without some sort of a system surrounding you to keep the pressure like it should be.

00:47:48.960 We hear Russell's stated before that if you were to take a giant machine and lasso Uranus and pull it to where the Earth is and then release it suddenly, it would zoom right back out to where it was because that's its light pressure potential.

00:48:07.860 And part of his science teaching was that pressure potentials determine where things end up.

00:48:12.960 And that's why man's – basically the whole misconception of the gravity theory was that what the apples sought in the Earth was like pressure potential, which is rest.

00:48:25.080 Everything comes from a state of rest.

00:48:26.800 Rest is the omnipresent condition of the universe.

00:48:30.620 And basically what we see in solidity and form is a disturbance in rest.

00:48:37.320 But all things that have form must eventually return to rest.

00:48:41.920 And just for instance, if you throw a stone into a pond, eventually it will return to a state of rest.

00:48:48.600 If you chime a bell and look at the waveform, it starts in stillness, vibrates for a while, and then returns to stillness.

00:48:56.760 If you strike the E string on a guitar, it will vibrate from stillness and then return to stillness.

00:49:05.920 So this is fundamental to understanding the Rossellian science and that everything begins from stillness and ends in stillness.

00:49:14.380 I think that's kind of where he wanted to teach man that he had a different – that there is actually something more happening than what our senses see.

00:49:27.160 And that's the problem with the senses is that the senses only pick up on things that vibrate.

00:49:32.500 The senses cannot see stillness and it can't hear silence.

00:49:40.420 So if the Creator's abode is one of silence and stillness, then that certainly explains why science can't find it.

00:49:48.780 And science means to know.

00:49:50.660 It comes from the Latin co, which means to know.

00:49:53.220 And I would say that materialist science actually means to sense.

00:50:00.060 So he saw a real difference between sensing and knowing in that connotation.

00:50:06.160 We're slaves to the senses right now, like the five-sense prison David Icke talks about, huh?

00:50:11.880 Exactly.

00:50:12.720 And, you know, I had read much of David Icke's work in 2004, 2005, around there.

00:50:18.200 And I find that his interpretations of, you know, the five-sense prison are dead on accurate.

00:50:26.060 You know, and I think, you know, just the whole mindwave universe, the greatest men among us have all said this.

00:50:34.280 It's not like it's one guy out of, you know, just, you know, basically it's a few people, maybe 30 people in the entire world have ever had a full illumination where they saw the reality of the universe.

00:50:47.200 But I'd rather take their word for it than the word of a bunch of people that haven't, you know, because what they have to say seems to be more in line with reality being an illusion than that, you know, the other side, which is that we're just, you know, happen to be the result of primordial ooze that crawled out of a pond 8 billion years ago or something.

00:51:14.200 That's what people believe, you know, it's amazing.

00:51:17.780 So what did Walter say about E.T., if anything?

00:51:22.680 Him and Leo wrote in some correspondences.

00:51:26.600 They thought that that was one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated on mankind.

00:51:32.640 And, you know, I don't know exactly why they may have said that, but I know that she was against channeling and she felt that really what people were doing was just making up, you know, names for their own inner mind.

00:51:44.180 Which, you know, I kind of agree with that because, you know, if you're not used to your innermost self, basically, you know, what Walter would call walking and talking with God is just the great realization of yourself as an extension of the one whole.

00:52:00.540 And I think that's one way to define oneness much better than what we hear a lot of this new age, you know, kind of flaky, hokey pokey definitions of, you know, we're all going to turn into light beings and float away.

00:52:13.460 I mean, I just don't buy that.

00:52:15.680 I think that man is the result of a mind conception of universal mind itself and that universal mind being God or the creator or the supreme being or the architect, you know, that it unfolds into male and female pairs and it lives for a period of time and then rests from action.

00:52:37.220 And that seems to be right in line with the way everything works in the universe.

00:52:41.280 Well, then in a way, we're always channeling information then if we're all unified, right?

00:52:47.180 More or less.

00:52:48.080 I think the difference between, again, this can go to genius and mediocrity.

00:52:53.880 Genius interprets the rhythms of light within the mind to a greater degree that the average person does who's not even aware of it.

00:53:01.400 So to the degree that you are aware of the genius within you and the divinity within you is to the degree that you can express that divinity to the rest of the world.

00:53:09.980 And that's what separates a master from a common man.

00:53:15.240 Many of us have had dreams.

00:53:16.800 I do all the time of playing music or singing a song and I'm like, oh, that is so good.

00:53:21.100 You know, I want to try and record it tomorrow and then it doesn't happen.

00:53:26.180 Walter said that there is actually a reason for that.

00:53:28.240 Do you remember what that was?

00:53:31.220 I don't exactly.

00:53:32.340 I just say that if you do get inspiration, it's best to act on it as soon as you can because inspiration is a very fleeting thing, especially in the masses.

00:53:43.620 The sense-based masses love flashing lights.

00:53:46.580 They love to stimulate their senses.

00:53:48.840 They love sporting events, the noise, the cheering.

00:53:51.240 You know, that's what basically Walter would avoid all that.

00:53:55.880 And generally, any sort of genius does.

00:53:58.480 It doesn't really want anything to do with what the masses are doing.

00:54:01.580 It's not – genius isn't interested in pleasing the senses.

00:54:04.800 It's interested in expressing the light of mind, which you see in all the creations that geniuses have put out there.

00:54:11.960 If they would have been at games and sporting events, they would have never created the kinds of things they have.

00:54:17.600 But I think it's recognizing when to be alone and that's – because what is inspiration?

00:54:26.600 It's to be in the spirit, to be inspired.

00:54:30.000 So going within – I like the N-words, intuition, meaning are you into it.

00:54:35.540 You know, inspiration, be in spirit.

00:54:37.840 So the N-words for me have become more meaningful over the years, especially since studying Walter and Leo's work.

00:54:44.720 As a musician, it would be difficult to try and capture the silence in a song.

00:54:51.260 I think it's doable.

00:54:52.280 I think it's possible.

00:54:53.640 But it's hard to do.

00:54:54.480 I mean, today, even nowadays, Henrik and I, when we watch certain movies or TV shows, the music's just – you know, going the whole time.

00:55:01.260 And it's like, ah, you know, shut it up, the score.

00:55:03.660 You know what I mean?

00:55:04.220 It almost, like, hurts.

00:55:05.380 It gets in the way.

00:55:06.820 Exactly.

00:55:07.220 But then you listen to something like X-Files, and it's kind of more – it's kind of subdued, and it's kind of a silent music, you know what I mean?

00:55:14.660 Right, yeah.

00:55:15.600 Well, sometimes the space between the notes seems to have more importance.

00:55:21.040 And that's just the – you know, the universal heartbeat is the one-two of creation.

00:55:26.000 It's the beginning of music, and Walter, having been a musical master, you know, he depicted the universe as a series of nine octaves.

00:55:36.560 And basically, the elements are octave locking positions of light.

00:55:41.080 There's only one substance in the universe, and that's light.

00:55:43.820 And what we call the elements are simply different pressure conditions of that one substance.

00:55:48.880 And he drew an elemental chart that's just beautiful.

00:55:51.580 It's a spiral chart, and that was – actually, he was the father of the discovery of several of the transuranium series of elements that he was not given credit for, but did actually file the patents for them.

00:56:07.600 So there are some provable things that, you know, were taken from him that came from this vision, you know, having not read a school book ever on science and dropped out, you know, in sixth grade or so.

00:56:19.460 So it's just amazing.

00:56:20.260 I mean, there is something, too, that man can bring back from the silence into this motion picture universe and create these bodies of just incredible imaginings.

00:56:32.260 And that seems to be the very powerful part of what geniuses do, and they just do it to a greater degree than the average guy who, instead of bringing forth simulations for his own ideas, he's working for somebody else's idea.

00:56:46.460 Yeah.

00:56:46.740 So I think you guys should applaud yourselves for having the ability to create what you guys have because it's your own.

00:56:55.120 It's not like, you know, you didn't have to take it as an extension from someone else.

00:57:00.160 It's your own souls that you're putting out there.

00:57:03.360 And it's authentic.

00:57:05.540 And that's the difference, too, is that people know when they see a cheap copy.

00:57:10.400 They can feel the feeling of what a cheap copy is like.

00:57:13.200 It's like a, you know, part five of Chucky or something.

00:57:16.060 It's just who has the desire to go that far with that, you know.

00:57:19.340 You know, the original is always the best.

00:57:21.980 Not everyone has it in them to be trendsetters or to be truly original.

00:57:26.340 I don't know how that is or why that is.

00:57:28.100 I don't know, maybe somewhere along the line, people that are more original, they worked at it and in other reincarnations, if you will.

00:57:36.120 Certainly.

00:57:36.720 Certainly.

00:57:37.040 And I think a lot of the problem with what you say right there, the reason people aren't is because the systems that we're involved in.

00:57:45.360 I mean, growing up in school, they're putting more kids on these, you know, imagination-destroying drugs than ever.

00:57:52.660 And that's a huge reason for the lack of creativity in society.

00:57:57.300 And I think they're trying to corner the market on human imagination.

00:58:01.260 And if they create a system where we take all our cues, we look at all the creations that are approved by the machine.

00:58:09.940 You know, Hollywood's a perfect example.

00:58:11.740 You know, it's rare that an inspirational movie comes out anymore.

00:58:15.880 And I think you just have to dig for it.

00:58:19.540 But there are those people out there who, you know, save for the system, have managed to escape it and are offering, you know, themselves back to the world.

00:58:30.080 So I think we can build upon those things and inspire our fellow men.

00:58:34.140 Being the change we seek, then we can certainly see a better civilization on the horizon.

00:58:38.580 That's right.

00:58:39.260 And as long as we believe the bull crap coming from the authoritarians, then, you know, there's always going to be that friction, I guess, until enough of us come together and can create enough of a movement toward being co-creators as well. 0.93

00:58:57.920 Yeah, raising the bar, because right now it's pretty low in the name of equality and fairness. 0.94

00:59:06.540 You know, the human race is slowly falling down into the pit of despair.

00:59:12.520 Yeah, and Walter and Leia warned of that.

00:59:15.480 You know, they said it takes eight, nine hundred, a thousand years to build up a civilization, but it only takes a few to destroy it.

00:59:23.120 And that destruction comes from, you know, taking, basically, breaking the law of giving, which is the law of nature.

00:59:31.420 You know, and it's just a man does this to himself.

00:59:34.480 He hurts himself and calls it sin, calls it evil.

00:59:37.900 You know, Russell was adamantly against devils and any kind of hell or any of that stuff.

00:59:43.280 He really thought and felt, as well as men of his time that he ran with, the luminaries, as I said of that day, they felt that man was on the verge of, you know, self-destruction if something wasn't done soon.

00:59:57.460 And unfortunately, the powers that be, I like to call them the powers that were, because they're just on their way out.

01:00:04.600 I mean, this can't last.

01:00:06.060 It's a violation of universal law, and it doesn't matter what they think about it.

01:00:09.660 I mean, again, you know, the science that we have is, just to bring this in, if I may, I think it's an important point, but the whole idea of gravity being an inward pulling force was the reason why we have this flawed nuclear theory of the atom.

01:00:27.820 And basically, the nuclear theory of the atom says that, you know, it's an inward pulling force that holds the nucleus together.

01:00:34.860 Russell disagreed with that totally, said that compression, the cold compression of space, winds up the vacuity of space into solidity and then unwinds.

01:00:44.980 And I think Buckminster Fuller called that centropy was the uphill flow instead of just a downward hill flow.

01:00:52.840 And so, if that's true, if this motion universe is two-way, which Walter asserted that it was, especially through inspiration and his own knowing, then that means that everything from Newton that was built upon the law of gravity, the nuclear theory of the atom, quantum physics, all of it is wrong.

01:01:12.580 And what does that say?

01:01:15.020 Wow.

01:01:15.880 Step back, everybody.

01:01:17.620 Because that's a big deal.

01:01:20.500 Well, Henrik and I were just saying, I think it was yesterday, because we listened to so much material, check out so much material, then there's a point when you're like, I don't know anything anymore.

01:01:31.200 You know, I don't know what's real anymore.

01:01:34.520 Oh, I know.

01:01:36.040 I feel for you.

01:01:37.320 If you tried to cram any of this stuff in yesterday, it's like, you know, it's like taking a crash course in Chinese because you literally, I had to unlearn, being an electrician by trade,

01:01:46.240 I had to unlearn all the things I thought that were laws of nature that man supposedly discovered just to find out through my own confirmation that what I had learned was wrong.

01:01:57.800 And there's an excellent book, actually, that people can go check out.

01:02:01.300 It's called The Case Against the Nuclear Atom, written by Dewey B. Larson.

01:02:05.740 And he just demolishes and debunks the whole nuke atom theory.

01:02:10.580 And, you know, again, the indoctrination is so strong.

01:02:13.740 You know, when I was raised, I remember that movie, Walt Disney's, you know, what was that called?

01:02:21.100 The Nuclear Atom little cartoon, you know.

01:02:23.860 So, you know, just the indoctrination of science is incredibly strong.

01:02:30.100 I mean, it's, science is not free, as people want to, as much as they want to believe.

01:02:34.720 It's like, no, please don't take my science away from me.

01:02:37.440 But there are absolutely incredible men who have put forth a very balanced science, which, you know, Walter Russell is one of those men.

01:02:46.100 Victor Schauberger.

01:02:47.520 You know, they knew that at the heart of all motion was these vortices.

01:02:52.180 And Russell drew them as twin opposing vortices, which he considered to be the lights of creation, the red and blue light, red being male, blue being female.

01:03:02.900 And in our world, we're taught backwards that boys are blue and girls are pink or red.

01:03:07.980 So I just found that interesting, too.

01:03:10.400 But there's so much to this, and it's such an in-depth science.

01:03:14.340 And it really takes what needs to happen in order to get into studying it is first you have to basically agree to unlearn everything that you know and then just begin again.

01:03:29.120 And it's difficult.

01:03:30.400 And keep doing it.

01:03:31.140 It seems like I keep doing that every year since I was a teenager.

01:03:35.360 And that's, you know, part of being real.

01:03:37.880 I think you have to step back from your understandings and things that you think you know and then question the other side of it all.

01:03:46.460 Yeah, that's right.

01:03:47.640 Well, anything else we should know and missed regarding Walter?

01:03:51.600 Well, there's a million things I could tell you.

01:03:53.620 But I guess ultimately is that I personally think I'm very motivated and have a great, a strong conviction to share this knowledge with people on their behalf.

01:04:07.240 As far as what it has done for me personally, I'm a completely changed individual.

01:04:13.420 I think the change came from basic realizations that in myself is this kingdom of heaven, which having grown up at a young age, being indoctrinated into the Catholic religion and just certain modes of view, I always knew in my mind that there is this something more.

01:04:33.800 And I think what Russell did for me personally was gave me a blueprint of how to unfold myself in a way that was just an absolute demonstration of the power within you.

01:04:46.800 And in order to go within, you have to find the quiet solitude and peace of aloneness.

01:04:56.480 A lot of people are lonely and then there's those who love being alone because that's where you really garner the power to create those enduring bodies of work.

01:05:08.280 And I think that just the ability to express yourself through inspiration and utilize your inspiration instead of wasting it on going to the carnival or something.

01:05:21.820 You know, people get inspired and they, oh, I'll go to Coney Island, buy a hot dog and ride the ride instead of, you know, I say get your art kit out and as Terrence McKenna said, put your art pedal to the metal and see what you can come up with.

01:05:34.940 And I think the more of us that do this and bring our true selves out to the forefront at a much needed time when humanity could absolutely use the inspiration and the more that we can hopefully steer ourselves in a different direction instead of going off the cliff as it seems to be heading toward now.

01:05:52.640 So I agree. 0.94

01:05:53.520 And sometimes you have to kick yourself on the butt and motivate yourself to start doing these things. 0.99

01:05:58.040 Absolutely. 0.98

01:05:58.640 Because we're being sprayed with chemtrails and poisoned with bad food and everything else.

01:06:03.020 Oh, isn't it insane?

01:06:04.220 I mean, there's just so much happening.

01:06:06.220 It's like, you know, wow.

01:06:08.860 I just sometimes I wonder to myself if we're even going to make it out of this mess.

01:06:12.920 But I'm doing my part as best I can to try to better the world around me.

01:06:19.120 And if enough of us do that, perhaps that will inspire enough people and legions and legions of people to try to make this world a better place.

01:06:28.360 I agree.

01:06:29.200 And so we should hold that mindset that it's going to go the other way and not back down.

01:06:34.720 Exactly.

01:06:35.600 Well, thank you so much, Matt, for giving us some inspiration today.

01:06:39.840 Absolutely, Lana.

01:06:40.540 I appreciate it.

01:06:41.400 And what you guys are doing is tremendous.

01:06:43.660 And I applaud you for your efforts.

01:06:45.120 And it's just great to know there's other authentic people in the world who have a serious concern about the direction that we're all taking and who aren't afraid to do something about it.

01:06:54.840 That's right.

01:06:55.720 Give us your websites and any other details.

01:06:57.720 Sure.

01:06:58.720 The Secret of Light.com is the website that centers around Walter and Leo Russell and their collective work of some 30 books and the home study course and the teaching of universal law, natural science and living philosophy.

01:07:12.680 My personal website is mattpresti.com, M-A-T-T-P-R-E-S-T-I.com.

01:07:19.960 And there you can find some interviews of my Exploration of Consciousness show that I did for a while and also all my music for free on players for whoever's interested.

01:07:30.740 And as a backup site for Rossellian Science and Victor Schauberger, you can visit feandft.com.

01:07:40.300 That's my co-producer, Robert Otey's website.

01:07:43.140 And that's all about free energy and free thinking.

01:07:46.460 All right.

01:07:46.940 And to our listeners, remember to find the silence five minutes a day will take you a long way.

01:07:51.740 Bye for now.

01:08:00.740 Bye.

01:08:30.740 I see the open waters of my soul calling to me, boy, won't you come back home?

01:08:47.180 I used to want the chance to change the past until I realized it makes me what I am.

01:08:57.480 I started looking inward toward my soul, desire as a way of not letting go.

01:09:09.080 Freedom didn't come until I lost control.

01:09:14.580 Then I found the power I was looking for.

01:09:27.480 I have turned myself face toward the sun.

01:09:35.820 I'm forgiving all the wrong that I've ever done.

01:09:41.200 When I fall down, I'll get back up somehow.

01:09:47.020 Nothing can or will ever stop me now.

01:09:52.120 On to the next, I give, I'm moving in.

01:09:58.200 Away from those who hurt themselves and call it sin.

01:10:03.300 If you can save yourself, you can call it done.

01:10:09.120 The fact is always true, but the cause is one.

01:10:14.080 Whoa.

01:10:14.560 Whoa.

01:10:14.940 Whoa.

01:10:15.940 Whoa.

01:10:16.500 Whoa.

01:10:17.060 Whoa.

01:10:17.560 Whoa.

01:10:18.060 Whoa.

01:10:18.560 Whoa.

01:10:19.060 Whoa.

01:10:22.120 They say all mystics tell us of a better way, a path of liberation from the same old same.

01:10:36.380 I certainly hope I live to see that day.

01:10:41.000 In fact, that is the very reason why I came.

01:10:46.720 Moving up an octave in the cosmic mind, decided long ago to leave these lies behind.

01:10:57.900 It's time now to grow so we can stop this fall.

01:11:02.900 I know the hurt of one man is the hurt of all.

01:11:08.740 But if you can save yourself, you can call it done.

01:11:24.800 Call it done.

01:11:25.920 Call it done.

01:11:27.540 Call it on country.

01:11:28.080 Call it on country.

01:11:30.400 Call it on country.

01:11:33.220 Not singing Ну in to world form.

01:11:53.540 Call it on country.

01:11:54.140 Call it on country.

01:11:54.540 Call it on country.

01:11:55.760 Thank you.

Radio 3Fourteen - November 01, 2012

Dr. Walter Russell_ Seed of the Cosmic Man

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