European Cooking _ Philosophy
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In this episode, we talk about food and philosophy with the lovely Elizabeth from the netherlands. She runs a YouTube channel called "European kitchen" where she talks about philosophy and food. We talk about the differences between Western and Eastern European cuisine, the differences in cooking and philosophy, and the difference between western and eastern European cuisine.
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thanks for tuning in i'm lana with me is the lovely elizabeth from the netherlands we'll
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talk food and philosophy up next elizabeth welcome to the show well thank you for having me
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so you run a youtube channel called european kitchen tell us about it and what you what
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kind of content you make and why you started it well i started with the cooking channel you know
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there's cooking videos because cooking is just like a hobby of mine and i thought you know most
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people will be interested in that but my real interest is more philosophy so then i switched
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over to that oh i will still do cooking too but at the moment i'm more into philosophy
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so i have to ask i know we're not going to talk about cooking we're going to get into philosophy
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but what that's fine too what is your favorite dish i don't really guess it just depends on my
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motor on the day or what i ate the day before yeah exactly i don't really have that either
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the one thing i noticed with a lot of european cooking is we use a lot of wheat right we use
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a lot of flour and that's one thing for me it's hard for me to eat a lot of wheat so i try and
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yeah i try and substitute like a almond flour or coconut flour but sometimes it's just it's just
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not the same it's not the same as wheat yeah the cooking that i do is not what we used to eat if
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you go really deep in the past because yeah we were hunter gutters and they usually eat this what
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they found in the woods you know like meat berries nuts so not per se uh the things that i'm cooking
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yeah that's what i try and stay with the kind of the caveman the paleo you know paleo it is the most
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healthy i guess yes but sometimes you really crave like some of those flowery doughy things
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that you make in the pie crust you know yes i've noticed when i only eat you know like berries or
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nuts i get very hungry i just feel uh pretty weak the whole day so yeah you have to have some meat
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i think meat is definitely i think europeans especially when you live yeah especially when
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you live in the north i mean they would die if they didn't have meat they didn't have anything
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like soy patties back in the old days you know of course there's a lot of logic behind it
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for me then i believe that you should eat meat but also just to make it simple i feel pretty weak when
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i don't eat these kind of things so i just listen to my body and then i know okay i need that
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i noticed too people in europe they're not as overweight as america i know some of the food
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quality is better too you don't have like genetically modified foods maybe some less chemicals and stuff
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whereas americans have become so fat you know they're so obese why do you think that they're
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thinner in europe i don't know i think we do have more emphasis on eating healthy and moving and
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exercising is pretty uh a mainstream to eat most people are doing that and if you don't you are a bit
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looked down upon maybe yeah and and the one thing is america it's like the extremes we have whole foods
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we have this big organic movement which is really good local organic food and then we have like the
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worst toxic food you can imagine stuff that's illegal in sweden and the netherlands and stuff
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you know yeah it goes pretty much two ways i guess or this extremely healthy people or totally not you
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know and i think both extremes you know for example veganism for me yeah i don't believe so much in that
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that is super healthy but i know a lot of people do and yeah it's two extremes you know veganism or
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yeah mcdonald's and things like that jeez yeah it's okay well you also get into philosophy which is
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kind of newer you kind of switched pace on your channel i noticed over the last couple months so
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why did you transition over to hey i'm going to do some philosophy videos too well for me personally
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it's not new at all it's what i you know what i'm always busy with in my mind so i thought you know
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maybe um a lot of youtube videos are books you have already are pretty long or the books are
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you know you have to really read for quite some time but i thought the most important
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tweaks and tweaks that you can practically use i didn't try to make short videos and explain these
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things in a way that most people understand yeah it's great i love it well you know some men they
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think it's it's more masculine for women to be interested in you know psychology and philosophy i
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disagree i also think the european mind is very complex and european women have had a different
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kind of life altogether i think women we can be we can be mothers and we can have a mind that's curious
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and philosophical such as yourself what do you think is it is it more masculine or can you be
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feminine and philosophical well i think that especially psychology is really feminine actually
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because women tend to be occupied you know with other people they find it interesting usually but i
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think that the men who think that it isn't okay for women to you know use that kind of intellect
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that they take feminism or not being feministic the wrong way they think that not being feministic
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means that you agree on that women are somehow intellectually inferior which is not true because
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you know we have men and women and we fill each other up it's not that one is one's intellect is
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superior over the other i think we both because you know if nature intended that one of the two would be
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more superior and more necessary we would probably have only had one gender instead of two it's true
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it's true and we we have a both a masculine and a feminine aspect within us you know as women you can't
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always be soft and delicate but you know being feminine also doesn't mean that you can't be a
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lioness at times and be fierce and you know use your mind right oh sure yeah when you are being
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threatened like you know like in your face being soft is probably not a good idea you should probably
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let it go for a moment or you know when your children are being threatened but i guess that goes
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without saying because it runs completely on instinct you know also the stories you hear about women
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who push cars away in front of their children and things like that so of course you know we do have
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a balance within this yeah and then of course feminists they take it too far right they don't have
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anything feminine left they're just operating in their very masculine side all the time and you gave a
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good definition of feminism which i agree with so why don't you share that for everyone
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well first of all i do agree with that women should have the right default uh own property or
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have inheritance things like that but i guess that everything that is an extent of that it goes beyond
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that yeah i don't believe so much in that because i feel like in order to be accepted as a you know a
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good woman by the masses you have to be able to hold up with men in their lifestyle so that means that
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you have to be more masculine and more aggressive and for most women that isn't per se uh that it
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comes very natural to them they really have to put in a big effort to achieve that so i think that if
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feminists don't accept women for what they are they don't accept in the first place and that doesn't
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seem very uh pro-women to me yeah exactly they have a problem with housewives they put down women who
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want to be mothers and raise kids at home like it's something that's less less than that they're a
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better woman if they're in some corporate job you know president competing with men and bossing men
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around or something you know yeah yeah yeah like i said if you accept if you don't accept somebody for
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what they are you don't accept them in the first place so if being you know female-ish isn't accepted
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by people who say that they are completely pro-women that doesn't add up to me that doesn't make sense
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now what do you think is pro-woman how how should it be i mean feminism has gone too far and then we
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have alt-right versions of femininity what's the right path for women well femininity to me what is
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important to everyone but especially for women is to uh act out on your own integrity so even if you
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can have some uh shorter game by you know dropping your integrity for a while then don't do it just stick
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through it uh you know by being integral towards yourself and i think then you go in the direction
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of being uh feminine but the interesting thing about it is that when men go more in the direction of
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uh having integrity towards themselves they go more in the direction of masculinity so
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uh yeah i guess that's pretty universal actually well for me it's also it goes deeper than that because
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i believe that we have like this uh temporary being you know the physical body but we also have
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a more higher being or in the spirit you could say and the physical body is mainly concerned with
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survival but the spiritual being is more concerned with enlightenment and i think the more you go in
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the direction of integrity the more you also reach enlightenment yeah being authentic being true to
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yourself live living out your true deep desires basically yeah i mean you're familiar with the
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alt-right you know pro-european movement any thoughts on on how women who are a part of it can really
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contribute and get this message out there uh in a feminine feminine way well i think that um you know
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when you want pretty much any message across when you point out like this and that is all what you're doing
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wrong people only hear well i believe only hear the tone of voice in which you say it so yeah you get
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your you know your own frustrations out but practically it didn't help much so i guess it's probably more
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beneficial to create an alternative and show people what is positive about that so yeah i would recommend
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people to bring across a message like that yeah i hear a lot of girls every girl i bring on that's
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basically what she says so i think it's it's a good a good guy should pick up on that positivity right
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being positive inspirational maybe men are a bit more you know this because they see a problem and
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they want the solution directly but i think you should know the way how to because in the end that
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just works practically better i think yeah you can't just sit around and complain about things after a
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while you have to take action and find ways to solve it and you know you you've talked about the
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importance of being positive why why is it important to be positive and how is it different
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from being in denial well i think being positive is important because if you don't your your mind can
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get a bit blurred you know you can fall in this pattern maybe of being a bit paranoid so practically
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you don't help much but denial is completely something else because being positive is that you own up to
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reality how it is but that you also acknowledge the things that are going well now denial means that
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you just refuse to own up to reality but uh because it's too unpleasant for you but of course then you
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can also not change anything because yeah you can change what you say isn't there yeah exactly you have
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to be able to face all the bad stuff around you but also know what what are some things that i can
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immediately change and improve in my life and do all those things possible right so how do you stay
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positive in such a negative world i mean we europeans there's a lot there's a massive threat
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facing us as a people it's very hard it's very burdensome for people they get really depressed and
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down about it and they feel they feel helpless at times and they feel like they want to rage how can
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you stay positive in such a negative world by force yourself to also focus on this going well and
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personally for me when i get a bit worked up or i don't feel so where i take a walking route or i walk
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around to see just being in nature gives you like this i don't know this positive energy yeah i i agree
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too and being outside nature is like the best the best thing kind of just cleanses you cleanses everything
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yes and you develop all these endorphins i think the other thing that makes people feel better is
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doing something about the problems you know when we actually like organize and say okay let's get
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something done that's going to be the only thing that's really going to make any of this better and
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make us feel better but for that you also need to stay focused if of us stay focused on what is
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positive because if you really feel reality as if everything is bad then you lose hope and i think when
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you lose hope you don't have any motivation to uh you know to try and change something
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yeah exactly people get they get in a rut they get down and then they get lethargic and they get
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nihilistic and i mean nihilism is really spreading everywhere in the west do you see it a lot in the
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netherlands too amongst a lot of the younger kids there's that down and out hopeless feeling
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i don't know much people are like that but yes i know that uh that it is there but i think you know
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being nihilistic art if you just take a part of it isn't that bad because you know we also don't
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have to buy all the stuff that we don't need it's just you know i just try to be practical instead of
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just throwing everything away because that's uh you know fashionable at the moment yeah there's a lot
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stuff we don't need i think europeans have maybe less than europe but americans they've become so
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materialistic so materialistic and they're always chasing the high the new car the new clothes the
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new house you know and they're just empty and miserable and then they have debts and loans up to
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here and oh that's awful yeah because they feel like if they all have all that stuff that they are
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done uh more work somehow so it's just a substitute of self-worth i guess yeah and then they have
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liberalism come in this kind of it's like a religion for people this let's get under you know
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go celebrate in the church of diversity and multiculturalism and it'll give us a reason for
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living and fill that hole that we have deep inside right yes yeah i think so now i know that you're
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interested in paganism i i don't know any other word choice to use for that how did you get into it
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and what interests you about it well what i like about is um when you look at most religions it
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works like beginnings endings black white heaven hell like that which is quite logic because we as
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humans we perceive the world to our brain and senses and our brain has this need for order and for that
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it creates systems you know to bring us closure so beginnings and endings which you know like i said
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is quite logic for people but in paganism i think it's understood that yes we work like that but also
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on the other hand that our perception is quite limited and that there are cycles in nature more than
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a temporary timeline you know like if you look at the seasons and things like that and also that's
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probably the universe is infinite that black and white is pretty hard to say you know if or more if
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something is good or bad you can better say if something is beneficial or not because good and
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bad is very subjective and what can be good on one side doesn't have to be on the other so
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yeah rather say beneficial or not beneficial so yeah that's what attracts me into paganism
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so i know thinking in terms of your everyday life and this is a question i ask a lot of people
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and people say different things to be to be a pagan to embrace paganism how how does that come out in
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your everyday life or in your thinking it comes more in my thinking i find it's very hard to say but i
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think that with every situation that i occur i try to ask myself you know what step should i take how am
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i um the most integral towards myself and i think that's very uh very pagan because they believe you know in
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honor or i would call it integrity and the more you go in the direction of integrity the more enlightened
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to become the more uh eternal scheme of things i guess yeah that's how paganism influences yeah it's
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like the nine noble virtues right the nine noble virtues are is a good code of ethics to to live by
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and we actually had those long before christianity came to a lot of people tend to think that our
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ancestors were just total savages and just had you know orgies in the forest and were just eating magic
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mushrooms all day and just acting like crazy brutes but they actually had a lot of order and they had
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ethics and they had morals yes well paganism is actually a very logical religion about like the
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rituals that are in paganism are usually just based on scientific effects or you know they do a lot with
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plants as medicines things like that it's not just some focus focus yeah it's early science right
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early science learning about how life happens and yeah exactly even pregnancy and how that works and
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the maples exactly it's all early science now now what do you think about a lot of the deities like
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the gods and the goddesses whether it's you know slavic or norse or germanic paganism do you think that
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they were real people or are they archetypes to to follow well i find it a bit complex you know to
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just explain a couple of sentences but i think that they are archetypes yeah i think so too um
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yeah a good a good example to follow of things to embrace good qualities good attributes and i think
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that now we can be able to create our own archetypes too that's what i'm looking forward to new archetypes
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that we need that that are appropriate for this this era yeah i guess people always have this need to
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look up to other people to take you know to take their leads it's very quite natural i guess
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now what about gut feelings you did a video about gut feelings is it natural why is it important to
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listen to gut feelings well a gut feeling is very natural because it's just you know we have our
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conscious mind and our subconscious mind now what we consciously understand is pretty limited what we
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subconsciously understand is much more well rounded and it detaches you know your subconscious mind
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detaches pretty much everything that goes around you and we don't see that directly because we would
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be completely uh overwhelmed we wouldn't be able to function but i think that uh gut feeling is just a
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subconscious mind uh seeing it something is very important so important that you should consciously
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directly understand it yeah exactly we do pick up on things there's a body intelligence that we pick
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up on things maybe we don't know we can't foresee but it's almost like a psychic sense like you know
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looking back i've had plenty of gut feelings and a lot of times i'm right and sometimes i'm like why
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didn't i listen to that i knew my my body was telling me these things i hear people say that all the
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time i would always say you know trust your gut feeling yeah of course you also have that you're
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personally are a bit prejudged you know just based on your own experience for example for example uh
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uh when you uh in the past met somebody you didn't like now you meet somebody who looks a bit like
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them look that's probably just a prejudgment but i think that where you know yourself very well
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you can really uh see which is which you know which is true gut feeling and what is not especially
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women probably yeah do you think women have more intuition we always hear about a woman's intuition
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right yeah i don't think that they per se have more intuition but i do think that their intuition
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is better developed because if you look in the past uh men were often gun hunting and women uh stayed
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at home with their children or in one place so they had to be quite keen on what was happening around
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them in order to prevent maybe a potential dangerous situations because yeah when such a situation
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wonder where they occur they can't really depend on you know their muscle power usually so for women i
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guess it's more important than for men who can depend on their physical strengths to de-escalate or to
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prevent dangerous situations so i think that just because we need it more it's also developed more in us
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i think women are also more internal obviously we take more in we're emotional whereas guys are very
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external exactly they were out fighting they were out hunting so it didn't really require intuition
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it required force but yeah women we have to pick up on things we have to sense things yeah and i mean
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i definitely think women possess more more intuition if she's if she's healthy minded because that's the
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other thing getting your mind healthy you know being emotionally in a healthy healthy place and it's
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important to be honest to yourself so that you can know yourself well and you know what is what
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really yeah i mean you seem like a very very stable woman but there's some women that are just
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too emotional and then there's some women that are just cut off emotionally altogether where do you
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think is a is a healthy balance for a woman and her her emotions i find it hard to say this or that
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is healthy but i would just say always you know just use some common sense it's really not that hard
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it's it's probably somewhere in the middle yes i don't really know because i don't know every
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single person a woman personally but for me i can just sort of feel when i'm stable in myself when
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i'm really in balance i think that balance is the most important thing to alter emotions in line but
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also are understand them and not per se repressing i think with a woman it really changes when she meets
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the guy that she's going to be with you know it creates a kind of stability i think when a woman
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meets the right match it really does kind of balance that masculine feminine aspect i don't know is
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that your experience do you feel that that's also because the practical usually falls in place and
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you know you are more stable you have you have your house you when you're lucky you don't have to
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work so you are also uh you just have more time to focus on on your internal goals really i guess
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well let's switch back to food so what are some common questions you get from people do they ask
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you about what's healthy what should i eat what should i not eat what can you say yes they do
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i would recommend everybody to eat what grows naturally in your own region because you are
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physically adapted to the climate and the region you live in and if the food grows there naturally
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you are the food is too so that's a healthy match so what grows locally in the netherlands there
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and don't you guys have a lot of potatoes there yes we have but that's actually from south america
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oh yeah exactly so they've been ready for hundreds of years yeah exactly so what would be native in
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the netherlands then i guess well what works good in a climate like the netherlands or germany and such
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is salads especially because they don't need a very high temperature to grow for example tomatoes and
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stuff that's a lot harder maybe in south france they grow a bit better than they do here because
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we often hear needs i don't know the words in english but you know these little houses you can
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plant a vegetable cinder actually normally grow in a more heat hotter climate yeah i noticed too in
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sweden when you talk about eating locally it would be like moose and elk there's lots of berries
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lots of root vegetables and that's the thing that i get worried about with the high populations
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coming into europe we won't all be able to eat we won't all be able to go hunt and get a moose
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because there's going to be too many people does that ever concern you in the netherlands thinking
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about food and how farming yeah we already have so many people and so and so this place but i think
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concerning you know people and food that people are adapted to the climate so you know where you're
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originally from for example i'm pretty fair-skinned i really do best in more colder climates because
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i'm just not that made for warm weather you know i don't have that thick of the skin like you know
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browner people would but i do can make vitamin d quite fast like no other people can too so things like that
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i think about it yeah exactly vitamin d is important for very fair-skinned people i know that's why
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swedes they eat a lot of herring i really don't like the taste of it but there's actually a lot
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of vitamin d in it so there was a purpose yeah but yes actually vitamin d is important for everybody
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no matter where you're from but for uh fair people it's easier to make vitamin d because
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you know the stralige i don't know in this word but from the sun come faster to your skin and with that
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it produces uh vitamin d faster so now what are things you tell people absolutely do not eat what
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are bad things people shouldn't eat well i find it hard to tell other people you know what they should
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or should shouldn't do i just try to lead by example i guess um what they should yeah you know i would
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say everything that is too much or too less that's the the most all-rounded simple advice i could give
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don't eat too much or too less not too much uh sugar i believe you can eat some sugar i never got ill
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of it but but yeah i guess the diet you have so for a lot of europeans that is probably good to know
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what we ate as handy gutters yeah and also say stay away from chemicals fake additives the high fructose
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corn so basically if you don't know what it is or if it's made in a lab just don't eat it people need
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to learn to read labels more you'll stay healthier you'll age better you'll feel better if you cook
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more from scratch right you you cook from scratch a lot yes i do yeah because then i know exactly what
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i use and yeah but i would recommend anybody to just also listen a bit to your body if you're really in
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tune with your body you know when it's too much or when it's too less and what you need and what you
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don't need so that's what i always just you know mentally always trust in your gut feeling and
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physically yeah you also have to be with in tune with your body to know and how what yeah i still
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love i know a lot of paleo people are mixed on dairy some people don't but i i still love raw milk
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i love raw cheese i love cheese cheese is a big part of my diet i think europeans we have a lot of
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cheeses right yeah well i think if you really have this craving to eat something probably your body
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needs it you know like uh for example pregnant women when they want certain meats then maybe
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they need when it's red meat i believe five to be 12 or something so i would always say then just eat
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that your body says that you want it yeah that's the one thing i love europeans we have all these fine
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meats and cheeses and little snacks i mean i love that oh yes it's so nice yeah sometimes that's the
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best way to eat you just have a platter of different meats and cheeses you know i love that
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so what dishes are you going to do next any idea i don't know i never plan it really just when i
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feel like oh i want to eat this today it would be nice to film then i just film that so well i have
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some new cookbooks so i guess i'll look into that too but i can't tell you what i will cook next
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or what i will talk about next i also went to philosophy things just something that occurs in my
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own life and then i start to think about it i think oh that's probably a tip other people could
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use too and then i make a video it's not very planned yeah well that's good yeah well thanks
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so much for coming by i think it's great to connect with you and meet you in person so let people know
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how they can find your youtube channel it's just european kitchen right i'll just type european kitchen
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in the search box at youtube and you'll find me there all right well thanks for coming by we'll have
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to do this again sometime in the future thank you for having me yeah i would like to be sure to check
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