Radio 3Fourteen - Finding Redpilled Love

00:00:00.000 Welcome, everyone. I'm Lana. Joining me is Melissa and Tara. Melissa was on my show last

00:00:19.360 year talking about how modern women need to lie to themselves. Created quite a stir. She

00:00:25.120 runs the website, thenewfam.com. Say hello, Melissa. I'm happy to be here once again. Thanks

00:00:30.520 for inviting me. And then also now for the first time, actually, Henrik had her on Red

00:00:35.000 Ice, but I haven't had her on. Tara McCarthy, also known as Reality Calls. She's from the

00:00:39.580 UK. You might know her from her work on Pizzagate. And then she also has a new show called Virtue

00:00:45.740 of the West with Brittany Pettibone. And I was just on that show last month, I think.

00:00:50.080 So welcome, Tara. Thank you. I love Red Ice. So thanks for inviting me on.

00:00:56.440 So we're going to talk about love, relationships and liberal women. But first, I wanted to get

00:01:01.860 your take on what did you guys think of the ridiculous International Women's Day and all

00:01:06.500 the marches that were happening? Well, firstly, I thought it was quite ridiculous that they

00:01:10.980 have this woman who is an advocate for female gentle mutilation heading one of the marches.

00:01:20.080 really did not strike me as something that most women in America would be in alignment

00:01:26.260 with. She's also an advocate for Sharia law, which again, as we know, makes women second

00:01:33.740 class citizens. Again, not exactly something that you would expect most feminists to really

00:01:40.660 be in alignment with. If anything, if they really are pro-woman, they should be against this kind

00:01:48.460 of law. Right. I feel the same way. They have this International Women's March. But what about

00:01:57.680 all the women that are being raped in Western Europe right now? Where's the solidarity for

00:02:03.880 them? There's solidarity for everybody else, but no solidarity for women that are actually

00:02:08.860 being raped in the West. Yeah. And what are they complaining about? I mean, Western women,

00:02:14.580 we have it the best. What is it that we don't have access to? How are we not equal? I mean,

00:02:20.620 this is a bunch of garbage. I mean, it's really white European women who were the first to go in

00:02:26.500 space, to fly a plane, the first billionaires. I mean, we've been able to do those things because

00:02:32.440 of the European men that have propelled us and supported us. Right. Yeah. And it makes me

00:02:37.240 actually quite sad to see how much women in the West don't appreciate all the things that men have

00:02:45.400 created. You know, men have created just about everything. You know, walking down the street,

00:02:52.160 they built the road, they built the pavement, they built the shop fronts, everything, the cars,

00:02:58.880 there's traffic lights, everything, like literally everything is built by men. And yet you'll have

00:03:05.600 women who are so ungrateful and willing to blame men for everything. And that is just a really kind of

00:03:17.720 toxic way to approach life, I think, and also very harmful to our society.

00:03:25.980 Well, women in the West have taken everything for granted. They don't, they don't really know what

00:03:33.340 it's like in a third world country. So they assume that they sort of project their own worldview onto

00:03:40.820 that. That's how the rest of the world is. And they're very insulated from any kind of real struggle.

00:03:46.500 I mean, they're not starving. They're not, like she brought up female genital mutilation. They're not

00:03:52.300 being subjected to those types of things. So they have this, this worldview that is completely

00:03:59.020 inaccurate. None of the luxuries that we have in the West are completely foreign to anything that

00:04:09.040 you'd find in a third world country. I want to switch topics a little bit and get into dating

00:04:14.100 because I get a lot of requests from people in the alt ride who want to talk about love and dating and

00:04:19.360 romance and, and finding someone. But one thing that I've noticed is I think a lot of modern day

00:04:25.660 dating, when I speak to a lot of young people, the whole idea of courtship and romance is lost and

00:04:31.600 people are kind of, uh, the relationship between the sexes is very odd when people are just communicating

00:04:37.000 on Twitter and Facebook. They're not, you know, asking a girl out in person as much anymore.

00:04:42.540 But what is your guys' thought? Is courtship and romance lost in dating?

00:04:46.940 Well, I'm a lot older than a lot of the, my contemporaries, uh, this movement is mainly

00:04:53.880 comprised of young people. And when I hear of courtship, I mean, is, is surfing Tinder and in

00:05:03.720 the hopes of exchanging nudes and, um, STDs, is that a form of romance? Cause, um, that doesn't,

00:05:12.060 um, that, and that's completely like the, the way that if I talk about my values or from old school

00:05:20.040 values or, or what have you, a lot of people think that what I say is old fashioned and that's,

00:05:26.180 it's kind of a shock to me that they would think that just a normal relationship between a man

00:05:33.080 and a woman is old fashioned, that there's no kink involved. It's just kind of a romantic thing,

00:05:39.080 that there's no modern kink involved with that. They call that old fashioned.

00:05:44.620 I think it's, um, a shame that this has happened, that there is such a breakdown of, um, you know,

00:05:53.220 societal norms in terms of dating and relationships, which has led to a lot of degeneracy. And I think,

00:06:02.060 um, also a lot of resentment on both sides because it's kind of like men and women don't really know

00:06:08.800 where their place is, so they don't know how to act. You know, it's kind of like two people trying

00:06:13.240 to dance when neither of them know how to dance and they're just treading on each other's toes and

00:06:16.720 it's just frustrating and not working. And so obviously both sides, um, are kind of disappointed

00:06:23.580 about, um, um, I would say their kind of dating and relationship lives, generally speaking. That's

00:06:32.140 what I hear a lot of, um, in, you know, in the comments sections on channels and on Twitter and

00:06:38.360 things like that. And I, you know, I just, as I said, I think it's a shame, uh, but perhaps this is a

00:06:44.240 kind of process that we have to go through, perhaps this is some kind of, um, uh, Phoenix,

00:06:51.320 uh, burning and turning to ashes and then rising again. Um, that's how I see it. I'm hoping that

00:06:59.180 something better is going to come out of this, you know, cause you always have cycles of breakdown

00:07:04.500 and regeneration. I hope that we can help build something even better in the future.

00:07:10.340 Yeah. The kind of relationships I think of is the old school days, you know, in the UK, where you're

00:07:17.000 from there, Tara, when a man would, he would write letters to the woman, you know, the recording, they

00:07:22.160 would really get to know each other. I mean, really get to know each other through words and letters

00:07:26.100 and you can do that and people can do that online. But I find that a lot of people's relationships have

00:07:31.120 become so shallow. You know, I look at a lot of people that are not alt-right dating and for them

00:07:37.160 getting to know someone is asking what their favorite color is or what their favorite song is.

00:07:42.240 They're not asking the big, deep questions, are they? Let's talk about words of advice for young

00:07:48.420 women looking for love in the current year. What advice can you give them? Let's start with you, Melissa.

00:07:53.620 I think scaling back the overt sexuality would be a really good place to start. Um, a lot of young

00:08:01.380 men are being inundated with these, um, sexual images, just, you know, 24 hours a day, um, being

00:08:08.780 connected to the internet and women are just sort of putting it all out there. And in the past, I mean,

00:08:16.720 things weren't as crazy as they are now, but I remember when I was on the dating scene, I just wouldn't

00:08:22.960 even bring up sex or, or anything like that with men. And they were always really curious about me,

00:08:30.080 like why I wasn't like that. I just felt private in that sense. And it, it causes, it makes a man

00:08:40.720 hone in on using his imagination and men love to use their imagination. So keep a guy guessing

00:08:48.080 about that. You don't have to be so sexual, especially if you, if you're looking for real

00:08:52.200 love, you really need to, um, present yourself and not your sexuality.

00:08:59.500 That's right. You have to keep a little mystery. You can't just put everything out there right away.

00:09:03.840 That's never good. What do you think, Tara?

00:09:07.800 Well, my advice would be, um, that it's, it's not like something that you can just kind of

00:09:13.760 do in an instant really, but the young women today, uh, have been told throughout like their

00:09:20.160 school education, um, and probably from their parents and their peers as well. Um, that sex

00:09:27.020 is just this kind of recreational thing that you do for fun, you know, and, uh, actually it's an

00:09:33.780 important bonding part of a relationship. So it's, um, I think that it's important that you actually

00:09:41.900 know what you want for the long term, if, you know, if you want to have a family, which I think

00:09:48.640 people should encourage young women to do rather than discourage as they have been, um, then it's

00:09:54.640 important that you find a good, honorable man who you can marry and have children with and put your

00:10:02.720 energy into doing that, um, rather than, you know, just kind of, uh, having flings with men who aren't

00:10:10.560 interested in that kind of thing. And there definitely are men out there who do want to get

00:10:14.920 married. Um, and some of them I, I found are actually kind of shy about even expressing that

00:10:23.140 desire because it's so unfashionable nowadays, but there is good reason to get married. It means that

00:10:27.720 you're, you're more likely to stay together, um, and raise your children properly rather than

00:10:32.640 having, you know, single parent families, which results in, uh, you know, personality disorders and

00:10:38.880 problems with the children. I think too, if you're a woman who's still trying to get to know herself

00:10:45.360 and is very flighty and doesn't really know what she wants, doesn't really know who she is,

00:10:49.700 that's probably not the best time to be choosing a man. I think you do need to kind of have your own

00:10:54.620 stuff together, your own life together, your own house in order before you're ready to unite with a

00:10:59.660 man so that you can come to the relationship and be whole. I know that a man does, men and women do

00:11:05.580 complete each other, but there is a level of independently going through that completion

00:11:09.540 level before that you connect with somebody else. You have to know who you are. I also say too,

00:11:15.240 that finding love is not a romantic comedy because all these women are programmed with thinking it's,

00:11:19.780 it's like a romantic comedy, right? But it's not a, not a boring documentary either, is it? I think

00:11:25.180 it's somewhere, truth is kind of somewhere in between, right? Like my mom said, when I got married,

00:11:29.960 it's not going to be a bed of roses, you know, 24 hours a day throughout the years. You have to

00:11:38.720 have more realistic expectations, I think. Like you said, there's all this sort of fairy tale

00:11:44.980 kind of whimsical idea about marriage when in actuality you're picking the person that you're

00:11:53.260 going to marry, who's going to be the, the parent of your children. And those things just aren't all

00:12:00.260 that glamorous. I mean, I mean, they're beautiful, but they're not, like I said, it's not a bed of

00:12:07.120 roses all the time. You have to take the good with, with the bad and the boring and the fun in between.

00:12:14.080 Yeah, exactly. Daily routine, you know, daily routine can be kind of boring, but you have to find

00:12:19.020 fun ways to keep it interesting. I mean, we're human. We have human things that we have to do.

00:12:23.780 You're not always going to be goo-goo-ga-ga, you know, 24-7 when you're taking out the trash. It's

00:12:28.760 just, just a fact. Right. Yes. So, what if a woman is 29, I hear this a lot from girls,

00:12:35.440 and freaking out because she hasn't met Mr. Rights? Well, I think you better hurry up. 29 is,

00:12:44.180 it's still reasonably young. It's very young for a man. It's not all that young for a woman,

00:12:51.140 especially if you want to have kids. I think that you really need to get it in gear and, and

00:12:58.980 get your priorities straight because your 30s go by, you think your 20s go by quick. Your 30s go by

00:13:06.200 even quicker. And before you know it, you're 40 years old and, you know, Mr. Right is not going to be

00:13:12.000 knocking on your door. And men aren't lining up to date middle-aged women. So, um, you need to step

00:13:20.620 up your game and, and tie that knot. And, um, you're, you know, 29, reasonably, you could probably

00:13:27.380 still maybe even find a guy that you're going to get along with that you, that you're choosing,

00:13:33.100 um, because you, you want him, not because you feel like you're in a big hurry to settle down

00:13:39.100 and have kids before it's too late. So 29 is a really good age. I think for women, they kind of

00:13:45.780 have a, more of a perspective on life, but you're getting, you're getting up there and you, you need

00:13:52.300 to, uh, nip it in the bud. I think women shouldn't freak out though, either, because then it's again,

00:13:58.000 desperation. And then you're just clamoring to whoever comes your way. I didn't meet my husband

00:14:02.600 until 29, 29, 30. So, you know, you can't, sometimes you can't rush it, but of course you

00:14:08.960 can't delay forever. I think there is maybe a little bit of, a little bit of serendipity involved.

00:14:14.160 So Tara, what do you think?

00:14:15.640 I've had a friend who was in the situation and, um, and she has found a guy on time,

00:14:22.240 um, to, to have children, but especially if you want to have lots of children, it's important to

00:14:27.700 get married younger. And I'd say about 25 is probably the best age to get married. So that

00:14:33.080 means you need to be about 23 when you start looking, um, seriously looking. And, um,

00:14:41.600 who are older, um, yes, you should get serious and find a guy who's going to marry you and be a good

00:14:47.880 father and husband. That's all I have to say about it really. Um, and in terms of desperation,

00:14:54.160 um, as you were saying, Lana, I think it's, I personally think people should just be very

00:15:00.460 upfront about what they want and just say like, Hey, this is my goal. This is what I want. What,

00:15:06.460 what are your goals in a relationship? And, and that is like the fastest way to find a good match

00:15:11.340 is just to find someone who has similar goals to you. Yeah. And seriously, a lot of the guys in

00:15:15.820 the alt, right. That's, that's probably the sexiest pickup line they can have. So I'm ready to get

00:15:20.620 married and have babies. You want to do this? Seriously. Also, we have to think in terms of

00:15:26.720 modern day, there is things women can do. They can freeze their eggs. So if they do want to have

00:15:31.800 an army in the future, maybe that is also an option. The other thing is I always tell women

00:15:36.900 go to a right wing or alt right conference. There's tons of guys there. A young woman can go and just

00:15:43.580 really have her pick of, of the men. Anytime I've seen single women go to those, they always end up

00:15:49.500 finding, finding a guy and not just any guy, but finding a guy that really fulfills them that

00:15:54.940 truly does it for them. So that's good. I wanted to give some advice to a lot of men and women when

00:16:01.420 it comes to sex in the current year. So what could you offer for advice? Well, I guess I'll go ahead and

00:16:08.160 give my two cents. Um, I, as I mentioned, just sort of scaling back on the whole sexual, um,

00:16:15.840 revolution thing. Um, I think people should spend as much time away from this sea of just filth and

00:16:24.140 porn and hookup culture and try to get in touch with their inner needs. Um, as far as what they

00:16:32.680 need sexually, what kind of expectations they really have sexually. I mean, I'm probably speaking in terms

00:16:38.340 of, of being a woman because I, women, we naturally seek out a bond when we want, we want a man to make

00:16:45.340 love to us. We want it to be, to mean something. We want it to be beautiful. And, um, I, I, I would

00:16:54.280 suggest to the younger people is to just unplug from all of that and, and get in touch with how you really

00:17:01.840 feel inside about your sexuality, what it, what sexuality means to be human, to be, to be something

00:17:09.900 that's magical or, or something that's beautiful or romantic. People have just sort of taken on this

00:17:16.060 mechanical, um, type of attitude towards sex. And I just find that so grotesque that, um, you know,

00:17:25.660 when I, uh, when I got married, I was only 22 and I, I can't imagine like being out in this hookup

00:17:31.920 culture where people just meet, have a one night stand and then that's it. Or, or they have like

00:17:37.800 polygam, polyam, what is it? Polyamory. Yeah. There are a lot of people at the same time.

00:17:44.440 I mean, it's just so vulgar. Yeah. You're really lucky that you found someone at a young age.

00:17:48.600 You're very rare that way. Cause a lot of people, when they meet someone at such a young age,

00:17:52.200 it's usually tends to be a starter marriage. They don't last the full mile, which you actually

00:17:57.680 have, but you bring up a good point too. I think a lot of young girls, because of feminism,

00:18:02.340 they're programmed to think that they can work, act, and even have sex like men. But women,

00:18:07.000 we have this whole other emotional and chemical response that happens. You can't just sleep around

00:18:11.960 and think it's not going to take a toll on you. So women need to choose wisely and they need to

00:18:16.180 say no a lot more and be picky and have more serious relationships. And let's face it,

00:18:21.520 a guy doesn't want to be with a girl who's been with a lot of other guys. No different than a girl

00:18:25.900 doesn't want to be with a guy who's whored himself around and been with all the girls in town. I mean,

00:18:30.680 nowadays with cultural Marxism, that's, that's just the norm. Everyone's just sleeping with everyone.

00:18:35.380 Right. And exactly. There's, there's no mystery in it. There's nothing special in it. So,

00:18:40.940 but the alt-right is different than that. Right. There's, there isn't even any,

00:18:44.980 like we talked about courtship. There isn't even people that are interested in like the thrill of the

00:18:50.300 chase anymore or, you know, the, the teasing and the playing and the, you know, I'm not going to

00:18:56.300 text this person back for a few days and just the tantalizing aspect of it. That's really sexy.

00:19:02.100 And nowadays, nothing is sexy. Everything is just in your face. Everything is just out there to be

00:19:08.020 had. And it's, and it's vulgar. It's, it's inappropriate. And then, like you said,

00:19:13.700 there's no mystery to that. And I think that's very, very sad and disturbing. I think.

00:19:19.700 Now, do you both think that women have lost their femininity and their softness?

00:19:26.460 I think it's kind of been a driven out of women, you know, when I was growing up,

00:19:32.440 I was constantly taught by people close to me, like my, you know, boys stuff is better. You know,

00:19:42.200 like the boys toys are more fun, aren't they? Boys clothes are much harder wearing, aren't they?

00:19:47.080 You know, and obviously we didn't use harder wearing, but that kind of, you know, suggestion.

00:19:54.220 And don't you like hanging out with boys? So basically they turned me into a tomboy.

00:20:02.440 They kind of constantly pushing me to do boy stuff because boy stuff is better. You don't,

00:20:05.860 you don't want Barbies. You don't want pink. No, that's girly. That's girly.

00:20:10.120 You know, so ironically, these people who are supposed to be like feminists,

00:20:14.960 they absolutely, everything that's remotely feminine, they're like, no, that's bad.

00:20:23.300 You know, if, if women are going to be okay, then they have to do everything in a masculine way.

00:20:28.940 They need a masculine style career. They need to practically dress like men, act like men and talk

00:20:34.460 like men and be spoken to like men and, you know, you know, be responded to like men. Like it's now

00:20:40.340 offensive for a guy to open a door for a woman because it implies that she's weaker. Yeah.

00:20:46.160 So I tried to drive out all the differences between males and females. You know, now they're trying to

00:20:51.940 make men less masculine. So I made women less feminine. They want to make men less masculine.

00:20:56.560 Um, and ultimately this is just very are selected. Um, they don't like the polarity between male and

00:21:03.400 female. Um, but, but the polarity of male and female is, uh, is something that's, that's benefited

00:21:11.220 our culture and, um, our society and our civilization for thousands of years, if not hundreds of thousands

00:21:20.760 of years. And it's something that we should, uh, worship almost, you know, uh, all these statues, you see,

00:21:28.100 Greek statues, uh, of representing masculinity and femininity. They're worshiping those traits.

00:21:35.960 And we should too.

00:21:37.400 Yeah, it's true. I don't even know why the word femme isn't feminist because they're not feminine at all.

00:21:42.940 They've completely lost their softness. And I think it's because they're trying to compete with men.

00:21:46.840 So they're, they're kind of hardening themselves. They're putting on this act, trying to be like

00:21:51.100 men in a lot of ways. Like I'm an equal to man. I can keep up with the man. You know,

00:21:55.020 it's ridiculous. What do you think, Melissa? Have women lost their softness?

00:22:00.040 They have, um, our entire culture is pushing us to sort of take on the more masculine role,

00:22:08.240 even in a relationship. Um, you know, they want us to wear the pants or whatever to tell the men

00:22:14.180 what to do and every propaganda sort of message that's out there shows the man in a subservient

00:22:21.360 position, as opposed to the woman. The woman is the take charge thing, um, that we should all

00:22:29.220 run out and try to be, be like, or imitate. And I just, um, when I was younger, I guess I sort of took

00:22:38.880 on that, that sort of, uh, demeanor as well. But I found out through my own experience,

00:22:46.680 the less you act like that, the more luck you have with men and the opposite sex, the more the men

00:22:54.000 are inclined to want to serve you. Or I know that, that may even sound sexist, but serve your feminine

00:23:04.040 needs. I mean, open the, like she said, open the doors for you. They try to make that sound like

00:23:09.260 it's something that's sexist when it's just being polite or being, uh, you know, chivalrous,

00:23:16.700 that kind of thing. Yeah. And being soft doesn't mean that you're weak. A lot of feminists have

00:23:21.740 basically said that when there's actually quite a power, when you're in touch with your feminine,

00:23:26.960 soft female sides, you know, it's, there's a great strength in that. And it also makes men want

00:23:32.020 to step up and be the man, you know, so it creates a, creates a healthier dynamic. A woman is happier

00:23:37.620 then. Why would she not want a guy to do certain guy things? I just don't get it. Um, you know, I,

00:23:43.880 I don't, I mean, men still open doors for me. They still let me get in the elevator first on the

00:23:50.140 escalator first. And I find that to be very complimentary. I find that to be very, um, you know,

00:23:57.160 civilized and polite and I, it makes me feel like a woman. It compliments my feminine side.

00:24:04.380 Let's talk about words of advice for men struggling to find love. Cause there is a lot of these young,

00:24:10.200 bitter guys right now. They're bitter about, they think all women are the same, that all women are

00:24:14.860 feminists. They've kind of given up. They're walking away from women. What advice would you both offer

00:24:20.280 those guys? My advice is, um, the more masculine men are, the more feminine women become. So women

00:24:29.940 actually can't be feminine when they're surrounded by what has kind of colloquially be called beta males,

00:24:37.700 although I'm not necessarily advocating the use of that term. Cause I think there's a bit of

00:24:41.660 misunderstanding going on. Um, but when men are going around wearing skinny jeans, whinging about,

00:24:48.860 you know, their iPhone or whatever, um, I don't know. It, it actually makes women nervousism completely

00:24:57.120 subconscious. It makes women say, Oh, there aren't any men around here to protect me. I'd better man up

00:25:03.960 myself. And then women become more masculine and then they're less appealing to the men and the men

00:25:10.360 are less appealing to them. And, you know, it all just, um, turns into a bit of a mess. So men actually

00:25:16.560 need to, I believe that men need to take the lead and become more masculine, even though it's

00:25:21.720 difficult to do. And, you know, it may not necessarily be fun, you know, going and learning

00:25:27.540 a martial art or, uh, you know, disciplining yourself, that kind of thing. Um, it's a necessity

00:25:34.500 for our, for our society. Please, please, please just stop being thirsty. Stop white knighting.

00:25:41.360 Stop putting women up there above you. I'm, it's just this culture that we have with the,

00:25:47.980 like she was saying, the beta males and the thirst and everything is just so cringy and so

00:25:54.480 uninspiring. And so, um, doesn't motivate women to want to pursue being in a relationship with man,

00:26:03.480 with a man. It's like, just treat, treat women like you did when you were in first grade,

00:26:08.040 pull their hair, tell them they have cooties, tell them they're ugly, tell them they're stupid,

00:26:13.000 tell them that they're not allowed in the boys club. Women love that. They love that. They love

00:26:19.300 a man that refuses to kiss their ass. I mean, that is, we will go out of our way to be with the man

00:26:25.900 that shows that kind of power, that kind of, uh, restraint. And with all these thirsty men,

00:26:33.040 you know, it's just, it's sickening. You mean how they're upholding women with this affirmative

00:26:37.740 action and a lot of feminist politics, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Why did they even allow any of that

00:26:43.500 to happen? I mean, seriously. I, all of this programming, all of this, uh, just sort of

00:26:51.300 confusion just needs to be done away with. Cause it, I mean, we can't even, the women are the ones

00:26:57.660 that are supposed to be thirsting for male attention. They're the ones that are supposed to be at home,

00:27:01.720 you know, celibate and melancholy. And, oh, I, I wish I long for romance when it's the women that

00:27:08.500 are now out screwing half the town and the men are at home on online, um, you know, thirsting for

00:27:15.880 attention from any woman that they can, they can muster it from. And it's, it's, it's just apocalyptic

00:27:22.560 to me. I have every, every woman out there feels the same. They have zero respect for these,

00:27:29.560 the thirsty beta male sort of, um, guys that are just all over social media. If they only knew what

00:27:37.340 kind of contempt we hold inside for them, they would cease being thirsty and white knighting

00:27:44.800 altogether overnight. If they really knew how we felt about it.

00:27:48.880 Well, so I think it's kind of like what we talked about, how modern women, they need to lie to

00:27:52.740 themselves. They need to be lied to, to be convinced of themselves, of their lifestyle, that what

00:27:59.140 they're doing in this modern life is fulfilling when really they're miserable. I was just reading

00:28:04.240 statistics, you know, since the sixties and the seventies, women have just been getting more and more

00:28:09.680 depressed since the so-called female liberation. I think the majority of women, and as we know, are

00:28:15.620 happiest when they can just make things beautiful, be surrounded by beauty, take care of their family,

00:28:21.180 take care of the home. I mean, women are genuinely happier there, right?

00:28:27.120 Right. We want a guy that can lead. We want, um, a guy that knows what kind of role he wants us to

00:28:33.780 play in his life. Um, it gives us a sense of direction. We want someone that can, like she,

00:28:39.960 like Tara mentioned earlier with dancing. It's the same thing. The man, when you, when you do a,

00:28:44.980 in ballroom dancing, the man takes the lead. And that, I mean, that's what we desperately want

00:28:51.260 so bad is, is just a man that knows what he wants and what he knows, what he wants from,

00:28:57.940 from us and what we have to offer him, what he wants us to offer him.

00:29:03.320 And then there's also this misconception that women that speak like us don't know about anything

00:29:08.860 politically that we don't read. We're not intellectual. We're just, you know, tied to

00:29:13.680 the stove and know nothing about the outside world. And that's where I say, you know, alt-right

00:29:18.100 women are very different because, you know, and as couples, because we want to be united. We want to

00:29:24.280 be equals on the same page about politics. And we're kind of united in a bigger existential fight

00:29:30.500 together. Women like us, even though we could be staying at home, we're still reading. Some of us are

00:29:35.900 doing videos and podcasts. You know, we're, we're very strong women. We're not your average

00:29:41.860 housewife, if you will. Right. I agree. Um, that, that there's this stereotype that the submissive

00:29:52.080 woman is the one, like you said, chained to the radiator is barefoot and pregnant. If only,

00:29:57.140 you know what, if only if it was really that good, if I could really have that, I would probably be my

00:30:04.940 happiest. Most women would, but that, again, that's a, a heresy. That's a, you're a heretic

00:30:11.840 if you even suggest something like that. Now I have that kind of relationship and I've been married

00:30:16.920 for, I'll be, it'd be 17 years. So I have that kind of man that inspires me to want to let him lead

00:30:24.000 and, and do, do his masculine thing while I do my feminine thing. So. Yeah. And seeing, I always

00:30:30.680 wanted, uh, someone who intellectually, we were on a similar page, philosophically, artistically,

00:30:37.080 being able to do the artistic things together was important. And, and I did find that, you know,

00:30:41.920 but it took saying no to a lot of different people. So there's a lot of people that wanted

00:30:45.940 to be in my life, but you, you, that's the thing with women. We can be selective. We can choose the

00:30:52.520 best, right? Well, in your mind, both of you ladies, what is the ideal woman in the current year?

00:30:59.440 You know, emotionally, mentally, what's she like? Personally, um, I think it's really important

00:31:05.440 to be open-minded enough to, to listen to people's opinions before, um, before doing the whole name

00:31:14.240 calling and, uh, freaking out emotionally. And I know women are quite famous for, for being overly

00:31:22.020 emotional. And I think that's an aspect of ourselves that we need to learn how to, um, work with. So

00:31:34.160 when you hear something that you don't like, you, you know, you immediately get some kind of

00:31:40.300 emotional reaction, which makes you kind of demonize the person who just said it, but that's

00:31:46.220 really not a productive way to go about living. It's necessary for us to actually feel the emotion

00:31:54.260 except that the emotion is there and then continue the conversation and acquire the information

00:32:01.420 necessary to make a decision about what you really think of what that person just said,

00:32:06.600 rather than just freaking out. Um, and I think that's something that's given women a bad name

00:32:11.060 and something that women need to work on while not rejecting the feminine aspect of being

00:32:17.480 emotional. Um, but actually harnessing that emotion in a, in a more productive way.

00:32:23.620 When I think of, uh, the female archetype, I think, uh, nurturing and supportive. Um, I mean that

00:32:30.880 women's love can move mountains. I immediately think of like my grandmother when she, I mean how

00:32:38.720 important and special and loved did your grandmother make you feel when she brought you

00:32:43.940 homemade cookies, frosted and iced with little faces on them just for you. I mean, to me that,

00:32:51.360 I mean, uh, the grandmother's love and her, her smell and the way she squeezed her cheeks and

00:32:56.460 everything. To me, that was like the epitome of what it's like to be loved by a woman. You know,

00:33:03.700 those are memories that you take with you to your grave and then you want to pass on to your own,

00:33:08.720 grandchildren, that kind of thing. So in a supportive and nurturing role for her kids,

00:33:15.080 for her husband, for her, her family, for her relatives, I think that's when we're most formidable

00:33:22.200 in our femininity and our, in our power as women. I think that's why it's so hard for women like us to

00:33:29.340 be involved in politics and be around politics at times. You know, it's, it's really heavy. You know,

00:33:34.640 I find that for myself too, because I'm feminine, because I have a female brain, it can be challenging

00:33:40.720 when you're around some of these topics all the time. You have to step off and find, find just

00:33:46.520 different outlets because guys can be around it all the time. It seems like, but women being around a

00:33:52.060 lot of these, you know, anti-white politics all the time, thinking about it all the time. I've seen a lot

00:33:55.880 of women have, you know, many breakdowns. They get emotional, they cry. It's very difficult

00:34:00.580 to juggle politics with a female brain. But we find now we're in a situation where we're,

00:34:06.260 we have to step up, we have to fight back, we have to be shield maidens because we're being pushed to

00:34:10.520 the wall. So this is kind of an emergency situation. So what do you both think is the best way to be

00:34:15.840 able to juggle, you know, family and marriage and contribute to this, this war that we're in against

00:34:22.520 a lot of the anti-white globalist leftist politics?

00:34:26.400 I think that we really need to try to do things that we can do working from home. I do think it's

00:34:34.320 very important that women don't just send their babies off to daycare or playgroup or whatever

00:34:42.420 euphemism you want to have for having strangers look after your baby. I think that's emotionally

00:34:48.400 damaging to, to them and causes some problems later on in life. As we're seeing with all these like

00:34:54.820 narcissistic people in the latest generations, I believe that's the result of abandonment by your

00:35:01.420 mother, which has been shown in animal studies, especially monkeys, for example, from being able

00:35:06.600 to form close bonds in adulthood after rejection by their mother as a baby. So, you know, these kind

00:35:13.800 of things that people might not think are very important, actually can change the entire society.

00:35:20.940 And it's our responsibility as mothers to make sure that we don't put our children through

00:35:26.940 that and to make sure that we give them what they do need, especially in the earliest years

00:35:31.140 of their life up to about age five. It's necessary for them to have a primary carer who acts in a

00:35:40.500 paternal way and substitute minimum wage person who doesn't care about them. So I think that's the

00:35:51.020 most important thing that we do. And in order to have financial stability in a world nowadays where,

00:35:59.320 you know, you'll be fired from Goldman Sachs if you dare even donate to Donald Trump's, I think it's

00:36:05.700 important for at least one person in the marriage to be working from home or to have some kind of

00:36:10.340 independent income.

00:36:11.820 I think women can take on a supportive role, as I was just talking about supportive. But if we want

00:36:17.020 to be proactive about, I guess, sort of changing the system, as she mentioned, you know, maybe sort of

00:36:24.660 getting involved with your children's lives. Like, for instance, I was quite the quote unquote Nazi

00:36:33.640 when it comes to my kids school, every time there was something wrong, or I was down there in these

00:36:41.260 teachers and principals face telling them, this is this is not what you're going to teach my kids.

00:36:46.420 You know, that kind of thing with women in their own right, they can organize and go and get things

00:36:54.220 done where they need to be. Like it's like I said, at school, you can join your parent teachers

00:37:01.780 association, make sure that you're actively involved in your children's lives, understand all of the

00:37:08.500 activities that they're involved in. And then I know this sort of sounds cliche, and maybe not so fun, but

00:37:14.820 get involved with your your local neighbor, neighborhood mothers, who, you know, they're, they're just as

00:37:22.620 vested in their children's lives as you are. And together, the I've seen these soccer mom clicks sort of

00:37:28.620 really changed the whole dynamic of a community based around the children. So I mean, that's we

00:37:34.520 have to start from the ground, doing groundwork grassroots. I think you're absolutely right.

00:37:40.360 Women influence other women, you have to be involved with the other moms, you have to kind of infiltrate

00:37:45.680 some of these, you know, play groups, if you will, or PTA groups and get other like minded women

00:37:52.340 involved in that to change the conversation to change the view. And it's very important to fight

00:37:58.720 in the school system. Education is a huge thing. And women are good watchdogs when it comes to

00:38:03.740 education and, and just socially what their kids are exposed to what other kids to hang out with who

00:38:09.740 they're being influenced. Yeah, we definitely have to, how we raise our kids is the most important

00:38:15.860 thing, I think. And then when they're a little older, you know, it's easier to be involved in other

00:38:19.980 things. I know, you know, lots of women that do can do a video here and there, they contribute in

00:38:25.320 different ways. But when it becomes too much, then you just, you step off, you know, step off,

00:38:29.800 and then you contribute when you can, how you can. But I think it's important in these days, not only

00:38:34.720 how we raise our kids, but being more active in the, in the community. I never liked saying that

00:38:39.820 before, but it's true. It's cheesy, but it's, it's really true. Yeah, it's true. Definitely.

00:38:44.700 So, thoughts on why the divorce rate is so high? I know, Tara, you, you asked me this when I was on

00:38:54.340 your show, but I want to know what you think. Okay. Yeah, I think it's cultural. In addition to

00:39:00.720 the problems that there are with the law surrounding it, I do think it's a cult, it is also cultural,

00:39:09.020 especially a lot of women. I don't know if it's so much men, but you see, for example,

00:39:17.120 celebrities like Gwyneth Paltrow, you know, her husband seemed to be really dedicated to

00:39:23.340 the relationship. They had like two kids or something, they all seemed like perfectly happy.

00:39:27.700 And then Gwyneth Paltrow is just like, meh, meh, I'll just divorce and go and do something else.

00:39:35.380 It's like, it's, she's bored. It's just kind of, it's all working so fine. The lack of drama has

00:39:43.200 made her too bored. So she's just divorced and go and do something else. Meanwhile, her kids are

00:39:49.720 obviously experiencing what is blatantly a trauma. Children whose, whose parents get divorced, suffer

00:39:57.240 from traumatic life changes and, and they have worse outcomes in adulthood. So it's really

00:40:05.240 this selfishness, this whole, you know, your, your marriage has to be, um, like something out of

00:40:12.760 a fairy tale, uh, rather than just like, yes, there's going to be some day to day drudgery.

00:40:18.680 Get over it. That's, that is part of, um, being a parent and it's also part of being a wife or husband.

00:40:24.820 So I think that in some ways our expectations in that aspect can be too high, um, obviously,

00:40:32.900 um, and our, and our willingness to actually work on something and invest in it. Um, and also,

00:40:40.120 you know, to be selfless in some aspects as well. Um, when it comes to looking after children,

00:40:44.240 that's just a necessity. Um, although of course it can be overdone as well. So, and then of course

00:40:51.220 you do have the legislation where it's like, um, um, you know, no full divorce and everything.

00:40:59.080 Um, and, and the culture of, of divorce, of it being socially acceptable and the higher rates of

00:41:08.040 like atheism. Um, so that there's no like religious reason to stay married or even get married in the

00:41:14.720 first place. That's, that's causing problems. And I say that as someone who's agnostic. Um,

00:41:20.580 and, and yes, it's like all of these things combined and not only that, but it also seems

00:41:26.260 as though the family unit in itself is under attack that, that there could be tax incentives

00:41:34.960 for, for people to get married and have children, but there aren't. In fact, there was even, I think,

00:41:39.700 a marriage penalty basically in some tax systems. So it's just, we could do so much to improve

00:41:46.440 the situation. Definitely. Melissa. Um, like she said, the, the cultural, um, aspect of it,

00:41:53.540 divorce is being reined in, um, throughout all of programming. There's always some comedy on TV

00:42:00.560 where you can watch a family falling apart and the divorce is a laughingstock and the guy ran out

00:42:07.020 cheating. It's never the woman that cheats. It's always the guy, you know, which is completely

00:42:12.200 unrealistic as well. Along with all of these various, um, systems put in place that incentivize

00:42:20.980 divorce, women can get half of everything. Um, they can completely, you know, just walk away

00:42:27.300 from their entire obligations and stick the man with alimony and child support and basically live

00:42:35.640 off the system. If a woman was forced to actually, she didn't get any of those things and, you know,

00:42:43.840 she, she had to work or, or something like that. There's no way that most women would divorce.

00:42:49.720 There's, um, a lot of women divorce with the, the dollar signs in their eyes. You know, I can get,

00:42:55.540 get this guy for half of everything and I'll be like the, the first wives club on TV, you know,

00:43:02.660 and just, just ruin somebody's life. And men have no, no recourse. I mean, there are ways to work

00:43:08.940 around the system and whatnot. They can get a prenups and things like that, learn game to, uh,

00:43:16.200 keep their wives from entertaining that kind of, uh, um, notion of, of divorce. But there's also,

00:43:24.480 um, just an entire, uh, propagandized, um, stream of information coming at like that eat,

00:43:32.920 pray, love thing. It's, it's encouraging women to go out and get divorced in the middle, in middle

00:43:39.740 age. Yeah. Start over. Cause they were, they were miserable at this time anyway. Right. So.

00:43:45.240 Right. But how do you start over at middle age? Yeah, that's tough. You know, I'm approaching

00:43:49.660 middle age and the, the prospect of trying to start over or pick up, pick up a new chapter in

00:43:57.100 my life is terrifying. Yeah. Like I'm glad I have a husband and kids and, you know, I would not want

00:44:03.560 to be this age and starting, picking up and starting over somewhere. That's so ridiculous.

00:44:08.880 Yeah. And then these women who are 40, they get divorced and then they go and try and dress like

00:44:13.000 they're 25, you know, trying to act like they're 25 again, trying to go to the clubs with their,

00:44:18.240 their daughters, you know? Yeah. I mean, if, if women knew, like I was saying with the beta males of

00:44:24.480 the, uh, white nightery, if we, if men knew how bad that, how much contempt we have, if, if women

00:44:34.700 knew how much men, how much contempt men have for, for women that show up to these 40 or something year

00:44:42.060 old women that show up to these parties wearing their daughter's clothes, do you think they would

00:44:46.800 honestly go in there and try to hit on a 22 year old guy? I mean, they look like it's, they look

00:44:56.200 like complete fools. Yeah. And you see a whole lot of it. I think too, a lot of, a lot of this

00:45:01.340 programming that marriage is just so miserable. Don't do it at all. This liberal mentality. And

00:45:06.860 people have also become impatient. They're children. They're afraid of hard work. They're afraid of

00:45:12.460 commitment because that's, that's kind of, that sounds a little fascist to me. Right. So, so now

00:45:17.500 they're just, nah, don't marry at all. No hard work. We don't have to work through anything. I don't have

00:45:21.780 to work on myself and we don't have to work on each other. They're just lazy really. Well, the problem

00:45:27.180 is, is, you know, like you're the, everybody has Peter Pan syndrome. And when you get older, your

00:45:33.580 perspective on life really changes. Um, the things that you think that, you know, at 22

00:45:39.640 are just there, it's completely obsolete. I, I, I, like, I could not imagine trying to go out at this

00:45:47.580 age and trying to date or do something like that. I mean, these people, they, they think that they're

00:45:55.200 going to be young forever. And then the, the time marches on and pretty soon you're, you're an old

00:46:00.920 fuck. And you're like staring down 50. Surrounded by cats. Right. Yeah. You know, it's not, there's

00:46:07.720 no glamour or, or glitz left anymore. You're, you're just this, this bag of a slosh and wrinkles.

00:46:15.140 It's depressing. Okay. Very, very descriptive there. Yeah.

00:46:21.600 You know, sorry. No, it's fine. I wanted to talk about how to reach, you know, female friends that

00:46:27.780 are fooled by leftist politics. It seems like a lot of women are susceptible to liberalism. I still

00:46:32.900 have some old girlfriends that I'm actually still close with, but they're, they're very liberal.

00:46:37.560 You know, they don't listen, they don't even listen to my show, you know, but they know about some of

00:46:41.000 my views. And then I look at women like us, you know, um, in reactionaries or alt-right and look at

00:46:46.960 how diverse we are. I mean, Melissa's a Christian, right? Tara's agnostic. I I'm pagan. And here we are

00:46:54.020 having a conversation. And that's one of my favorite things about the alt-right is we have a

00:46:57.540 lot of white diversity, which I feel the left doesn't. They all think the same, talk the same,

00:47:03.340 act the same, you know, they're the same. But what makes females in particular more fooled by

00:47:09.900 leftist politics? Well, I think that women are just, um, prone to being very agreeable. So they kind

00:47:15.800 of go along with, um, the status quo, you know, um, it, it's definitely men who are more open to

00:47:24.920 hearing alternative perspectives. Um, and women tend to get a little hysterical if anyone rocks the boat.

00:47:33.860 Um, so, and I think that's just our nature. And I don't think that we should, you know, say women

00:47:39.900 are bad because they're agreeable because that's just ridiculous. You know, the reason we have this

00:47:46.140 trait is for evolutionary, uh, reasons. It's, it's advantageous for women to be agreeable. Um, it means

00:47:52.360 them better at looking after children and forming a cohesive community. Um, and it's men's role to do

00:48:00.980 the leading in terms of, um, you know, steering the, the political direction and things like that.

00:48:10.220 So I don't think we should really expect women to do that because it just doesn't really come

00:48:14.560 naturally to them. I agree with what she said, um, wholeheartedly. I think women sort of don't

00:48:21.520 belong in that kind of role, I guess. Um, we're, like she said, we're more agreeable therefore, but

00:48:29.080 women, I think they really don't understand how easy they really have it. Um, you know, I, I come

00:48:37.840 from a working class background and my father had a plumbing business and the kind of work that he

00:48:44.980 would do. Like, I think if a woman had to go out and do something like that, she might actually gain

00:48:50.220 a real perspective of a woman could never do that kind of work though. I'll just say that right now.

00:48:55.120 But, um, if, if a woman went and had to do that kind of backbreaking work for 12 hours a day or

00:49:02.360 something, she might actually understand what the real world is like. I mean, I was a housewife for

00:49:07.960 a long time. I had no concept of what it's like to live in the streets or something or have to,

00:49:14.280 you know, do what men do to go out and keep civilization plugging along. And, and, uh, you know,

00:49:21.460 we live very insulated lives. We've lived very comfortable lives. We live lives where we, you

00:49:27.940 know, sitting behind a desk all day is not backbreaking work. So, um, and, and that's not

00:49:35.160 necessarily a bad thing that women have the, the, these things afforded to them, but it gives them

00:49:42.160 a very limited worldview of how, how cruel things can actually be out, out in society and out in

00:49:50.140 civilization. So, um, like, and, and like she said, you know, we should be at home. Well, I'm saying

00:49:58.120 this we're, we're in a more agreeable role so that we can nurture our kids, nurture our family,

00:50:03.240 that sort of thing. So it's not really our job to go out and know how bad the world is. We're here to

00:50:09.240 kind of make up for it in our own, in our own little way. Most women that I encounter just out on

00:50:15.720 the streets and going out and about, I find that they're not truly convinced either way of politics.

00:50:21.040 I think it's a small sect of women that is actually quite hardcore liberal. There's a lot of other

00:50:26.360 women that you can, you can kind of sway them. And especially if there's a group, like, let's say

00:50:31.260 there was three of us and we were talking to one girl, we could easily actually convert her to our

00:50:36.600 side. And I've had that experience because they they're like, Oh, okay, here's a group of girls.

00:50:41.040 It's okay to think like that. You know, they're more prone to follow. I guess in our case, maybe

00:50:45.380 we're a little different because, you know, a lot of people say, Oh, women are more conformist. I've

00:50:49.760 never been conformist. I don't know what it is that makes me different. But I've always been the one

00:50:54.280 that just does my own thing and never follows. And you two are probably that way, too. So have you

00:51:00.580 thought about what makes us different? I know, Melissa, you've said maybe we have a little more

00:51:04.480 male brain aspects or something, you know, because I find a lot of the other girls that are,

00:51:09.320 that are like us also didn't have a lot of girlfriends. They also were surrounded by a

00:51:13.980 lot of guys growing up because women were catty and judgmental. And they just, you know,

00:51:18.220 they just didn't do well with that. But now we're finding this new kind of sisterhood amongst the

00:51:22.200 alts, right? Where it's a lot of girls who are like us that are finding each other, which has been

00:51:26.680 great for me. Now I have so many girlfriends and they're all just amazing women, you know?

00:51:30.660 Well, you know what people say about all of the weaponized autism going on 4chan and things like

00:51:38.080 that. I actually wonder, I actually think that I might be a little bit Asperger's. So an Asperger's

00:51:47.420 is obviously something that focuses your mind more on the analytical side rather than on the

00:51:53.860 social side. So I care more that what I say is correct than that other people approve of what I'm

00:52:02.380 saying. So that often gets me into a lot of trouble because I'll say things that, and from a very young

00:52:09.580 age, I've said things like, but you know, if that's that way, then wouldn't this be that way? You know,

00:52:14.080 like logical consistency. And then people will kind of scream at me like, you're a far right extremist,

00:52:20.980 you know? And so I've kind of experienced this my whole life. And I'm, I'm definitely wondering if

00:52:26.340 maybe I don't have Asperger's, but I think I have some kind of touch of, um, leaning toward the

00:52:31.920 analytical side and caring more about truth than caring about feelings, you know? Whereas most

00:52:36.540 women obviously care more about feelings and not hurting people's feelings and, you know, what will

00:52:40.880 so-and-so think of us? Well, you know, we couldn't possibly do that. Whereas I'm the complete opposite

00:52:44.920 to that. So, um, I do think that I'm strange in that way. And I am like abnormal compared to the

00:52:51.700 average woman, which is why I talk about this kind of stuff. And I don't expect most women to get it.

00:52:57.180 I'm actually, I think it's more important that men get it. And as you were saying, men, uh, men

00:53:04.400 should really be the ones that just say, look, these are my political beliefs. Um, and, and not really

00:53:10.880 worry too much if women necessarily agree with them because most women are actually apolitical

00:53:16.380 and will conform to your beliefs, especially after marriage. Most women just go straight to being

00:53:21.480 conservatives because they realize that they don't want to have huge chunks taken out of their

00:53:25.080 husband's paychecks. So let's not worry too much about, uh, getting women to be, um, you know,

00:53:33.180 on the right or anything instead, just make sure you don't marry a feminist because she's probably

00:53:38.300 going to divorce you. Um, but apart from that, you can expect that she will probably conform to your

00:53:43.140 views. Yeah, I, I've, I've definitely been one of those peculiar people. Um, it,

00:53:50.760 like I was in the chess club and the math club and school and stuff like that. And I get made fun of

00:53:57.300 by other girls or just kind of looked at funny, I guess. And like she said, I, this, this is way

00:54:03.360 before they started diagnosing every child in school with some sort of mental disorder. But I

00:54:08.600 think I might've had like some, maybe some ADHD or something. I never took medication or anything like

00:54:15.080 that for it. But, um, I've been called evil. I've been called strange. I've been called,

00:54:20.820 you know, just basically everything by most women, but I've had a lot of really good female friends

00:54:26.520 too. Like my best friend, she's been my friends for 37 years. So, um, you know, we're still friends,

00:54:33.460 even despite all my crazy politics, she just sort of, you know, doesn't, she's just cool with that.

00:54:39.220 She just sort of rolls with it. But I have lost a lot of female friends who they're, they're

00:54:45.640 immediately turned off by, especially if you tell them that, you know, you're a Donald Trump

00:54:50.440 supporter. That's like basically, you know, just, just the worst thing you could possibly be to a

00:54:56.760 female.

00:54:57.480 I think a lot of these women, when it comes to reaching some of our liberal friends, or if we

00:55:01.760 have any of those left, cause a lot of them do bail. I've had a lot of old friends bail on me because

00:55:07.160 of this show, like, you know, me like people I've known since childhood, you know, so that's when

00:55:12.180 you know, you're dealing with a cult here, but the few that do linger, I find that when I have

00:55:15.920 conversations with them and I actually talk about the double standards and talk about where I'm coming

00:55:20.120 from and talk about propaganda and how things are being spun, they actually listen and they

00:55:24.980 actually comprehend a lot of things. And then I tell them, see, you're not as lefty as you think you

00:55:30.800 are. Cause you're agreeing with me on a lot of these points. A lot of these women just aren't

00:55:34.480 actually challenged. You know, a lot of women don't have these conversations that are very

00:55:38.960 political with each other, challenging each other on these things, do they? But I mean,

00:55:43.380 we can, we can do that to reach our girlfriends though.

00:55:46.460 Yeah, that's absolutely right. I think a lot of people are in that little bubbles, you know,

00:55:51.820 especially if going through university, all the, all the professors were completely leftist,

00:55:57.180 you know, all the authority figures are completely leftist. All their peers are, you know,

00:56:02.140 the ones that speak out. And a lot of the time, like actually like 53% of white women voted for

00:56:10.140 Trump. I've said that about 50 times by now, but I just have to drum it in. 53% of white women voted

00:56:17.160 for Trump. So it's not as though women are somehow incapable of supporting someone like Trump, who's a

00:56:25.580 nationalist. It's just that they don't want to be seen as being, you know, evil or whatever.

00:56:34.520 So the media is very good at controlling them. The media is very good at making it appear that women

00:56:41.660 are against Trump, you know, with the women's march and everything. It's like they're promoting this

00:56:46.740 idea that if you're for Trump, you're against women or, you know, women couldn't possibly be for

00:56:52.000 Trump when the truth is, are for Trump. So, uh, and they're too afraid to say that for fear of

00:57:02.060 ostracization, perhaps, you know, even just thinking in terms of evolutionary psychology,

00:57:06.340 I think women fear ostracization far more than men do, because think about it. If a man got ostracized

00:57:13.820 from his tribe, he could probably, you know, feed himself and, um, and find another tribe to join.

00:57:20.220 But if a woman got ostracized from her tribe, she would just quickly die, and so would her children.

00:57:26.220 So, uh, maybe that's what's at play here. Women are too scared to speak out, really.

00:57:32.220 But you bring up a good point, and I've said that too. The majority of white women voted for Trump.

00:57:36.300 So I think the media is trying to spin it that, oh my God, all these women are feminists now,

00:57:40.840 all of them. And really, it's a small group that's actually quite loud, and they really focus in on them

00:57:46.380 in the media. The media lies. They know how to, to prop up an image that's just not true. I think

00:57:51.540 the majority are not feminists, and when you actually talk to women and say, well, what does

00:57:55.920 that really mean? You find that the majority of them are actually quite traditional and old world

00:58:01.800 and quite feminine. You know, oftentimes I hear too that liberalism is feminine politics, and to me,

00:58:08.940 it's a female brain that's gone mad. Because when I see, you know, thousands of Africans scaling the

00:58:15.000 walls coming into Europe, I see a threat. And I think my feminine brain says, this is not a good

00:58:20.540 thing. This is danger. You know, you have this lioness instinct that kicks on. I think that's a

00:58:26.060 healthy feminine brain response. I mean, I have zero instinct to care for these refugees or migrants

00:58:32.720 or invaders or pictures of these kids on the beach. Like, I just, I just don't feel anything for them.

00:58:38.480 So what are your thoughts on liberalism being feminine, as we're told?

00:58:42.980 I think the problem is that, which has been noticed by many people, and this is not my

00:58:48.480 original thinking here, but I think the problem is that a lot of these women haven't had children.

00:58:54.900 And especially in the United States, for example, people are very mobile, you know, they're very

00:59:02.320 used to moving states. And I think a lot of them go, oh, well, it doesn't matter if California gets

00:59:10.300 ruined. You know, I'll just move over a few states, I'll be fine. If it gets ruined. So

00:59:16.280 disloyalty to caring about your community, basically. There's also a problem with

00:59:24.860 not thinking long term and, and just kind of living for today. And even women who are parents,

00:59:33.620 they will even express this attitude that they don't really care all that much about their own

00:59:42.600 children. And often, you know, it's kind of like, you're on your own kind of thing. So it's quite

00:59:47.180 neglectful. But going back to liberalism, I really think it's kind of hijacked women's,

00:59:56.100 you know, it's very easy to hijack women's emotions. It's very easy to show them a dead child

01:00:02.120 on a beach and be like, are you really gonna let this happen? Even though the real story is that

01:00:07.880 because Merkel invited them in, they, they then took that dangerous passage, you know,

01:00:13.520 And he was just going to the dentist.

01:00:15.080 Okay, yeah, I don't know the actual story. But if we just had strong borders in the first place,

01:00:18.520 they wouldn't have even attempted it. And they wouldn't be dead. So it's so easy just to show

01:00:25.060 women a picture and, and then it's like rational mind turns off and hysteria starts. So again,

01:00:32.340 that's where I'm kind of pointing out that we really need women to either step out of the way

01:00:39.220 and let men do stuff for men to take the lead and, and, and just say to women, like, sorry,

01:00:48.320 we'll deal with the territory stuff. You obviously have no clue in this aspect.

01:00:52.400 Um, um, yeah. And because it's just, that's another point, actually, sorry, a slightly different

01:01:01.740 topic, which is that we do, um, on try to make rational arguments. And often these don't appeal

01:01:09.940 to leftists. And I even saw in the WikiLeaks emails when they came out, they said things like,

01:01:16.980 we need to up the rhetoric. You know, they didn't say, we need to make more convincing arguments.

01:01:23.120 We need more evidence to support this point. No, they said, we need to up the rhetoric.

01:01:29.180 They're all about rhetoric. They're all about slogans. They're all about, you know, provocative,

01:01:36.040 emotive images. And they, they really don't have the truth on their side or any form of reason,

01:01:43.720 unless, um, they're outwardly going to express that they are actually just like pro-communist,

01:01:50.180 which a lot of people would be completely turned off by. So that's why they're constantly just

01:01:55.100 lying and pushing, um, pushing hypocritical truths and stuff just to kind of get people to go down

01:02:03.620 this road toward Marxism.

01:02:05.340 Yeah. I think you said a good thing that women generally are not analytical, except maybe women

01:02:09.440 such as us are a little different that way. But I think too, we've also had kind of a male

01:02:13.500 influence. I know that my husband changed a lot of my thought process of kind of a flighty Pisces a

01:02:19.480 little bit before the little dreamer, you know, then I became more solid. I kind of learned to think

01:02:24.880 in a little different way. He taught me things about, you know, propaganda and conspiracy and

01:02:29.820 things like that, that really helped to break a lot of this hold of, you know, liberal type of

01:02:34.860 thinking or feminist type of thinking. And I think that that's the problem with a lot of women.

01:02:37.980 They don't think analytically and they maybe don't have a male influence to help them to understand

01:02:43.440 kind of how propaganda and covert warfare, conspiracy, emotional manipulation, those are

01:02:49.420 tools that women need to be armed with. Those are things that you learn through age and experience and

01:02:54.820 reading. And I think that a lot of women, we can teach them that then they can learn to

01:03:00.000 see through a lot of that stuff. Melissa, what do you think about, you know, liberalism being

01:03:05.480 called feminine politics? It's very feminine. Liberalism exists merely as a subservient

01:03:14.540 sort of position against the stronger, the more beautiful, the smarter, the wealthier, the more

01:03:24.320 productive, the more physically capable. Liberalism or liberals are always seeking to extract

01:03:35.200 resources from their betters. That's the tenet of liberalism. So, I mean, if they really hated us

01:03:45.580 that much and everything that we were doing was so horrible, then why don't they just let us have our

01:03:51.220 own country? Why don't they just let us secede and have our own little place somewhere and then they can

01:03:57.220 go make their own little utopia somewhere? Well, they can't do that. They completely rely on the host.

01:04:05.180 That's a parasitical sort of, and where the feminine, I guess, aspect gets involved is they need someone to

01:04:16.220 lead, except they're sort of turning on the leader. They don't like what we have to present as far as leadership.

01:04:24.540 And at the same time, they want to tear it down, but they don't have anything viable to offer in its

01:04:31.460 place. So, I don't know how they reconcile that. But from that standpoint, it's very, very feminine

01:04:42.400 to take on this sort of passive aggression. Oh, I don't want these people to have that,

01:04:48.340 so I think I'm going to take it from them. I don't want them to have money. I don't want them to have

01:04:52.620 resources. I don't want them to have their own freedom or guns or any of that, so I'm going to

01:04:58.560 take it. To me, when I look at politicians like Merkel, I think, God, she's masculine. Even her

01:05:04.540 pantsuit she wears, you know, Hillary, they're male brain. Yeah. If you look at her, though, she's always

01:05:12.540 kind of, you know, she's just kind of looking at you like she's just going to jump on your back like

01:05:19.640 a like a louse any second and just start sucking your blood, you know? And then face to face, she's

01:05:28.260 going to do it. Yeah. When you turn around. Yeah. But then when I look at Le Pen, to me, she is embodying

01:05:34.640 more of a healthy feminine point of view because she's talking about like being the lioness. Like she

01:05:41.060 feels like a lioness instinct when she sees these Muslims coming in, these invaders coming in. I think

01:05:46.800 that's a healthy feminine brain response in politics. That's why I think a lot of these liberal women

01:05:51.240 are actually quite masculine or they're something's gone wrong in there. It's feminine brain gone

01:05:58.100 contorted. Just to reiterate what Tara said, a lot of these people don't have kids. As soon as you have

01:06:03.160 kids, that totally changes the dynamic of how you feel about being a conservative or liberal. Almost

01:06:09.560 everybody becomes a conservative after they have kids. So, you know, when you have your own vested

01:06:16.060 interests in something and you don't want those interests to be taken away from you, then you take

01:06:23.340 on a more sort of stance upon self-preservation. These people don't have anything to preserve.

01:06:31.580 They don't even produce anything. So what are they going to, you know, what are they going to

01:06:38.400 sustain? What are they going to save? That's probably why a lot of our modern society and

01:06:43.600 Marxists are really pushing, especially to white women, to not have kids for that reason, because

01:06:48.140 they will become more conservative and grounded once they have children. That's correct.

01:06:53.180 The other thing I think to draw in more women is we need more emotional propaganda. We need

01:06:58.040 aesthetics. We need arts. Those things will draw women. I mean, they respond to things that are

01:07:03.300 beautiful, things that are emotional, and that's something that the left has understood. They

01:07:07.240 manipulate that. And I think if, you know, people on our side started producing more of that, more

01:07:12.700 style, more flash, more emotion, we'll start drawing in the women. Would you both agree to that?

01:07:18.080 Yes. I agree with that. Women respond to beauty, especially. If you look good and you say the right

01:07:27.240 things to them, if you make them palatable, like we can't run around and Nazis and all that. They're

01:07:34.240 never going to latch onto that. But if you start making children fashionable again or being a mom or

01:07:40.960 just, you know, that kind of thing, they really respond to that sort of thing and not the, not the

01:07:47.360 upfront aggressive sort of propaganda that tends to come out of the alt-right.

01:07:52.160 I would agree that it's difficult because in a way, you know, I like the straight talking that we get

01:08:00.960 from people online, a lot of anonymous people, you know, they'll tell it to you straight. They don't care

01:08:07.620 how you feel. Um, and that's, that's great. I, I actually personally like that. Um, but I can see

01:08:15.280 that most women, like they're not going to be able to deal with that. Um, and they'll just kind of

01:08:23.660 freak out and, uh, you know, have a fit if they see that kind of thing. So, um, if, if we do wish

01:08:30.480 to, uh, bring more women into the community, then it's necessary, um, for us to take a more measured

01:08:37.060 approach. But then again, do we really even, um, even need that? Perhaps I think it, we need to,

01:08:45.440 uh, win the males, you know, um, there are plenty of males for us to win. Um, there, there are much,

01:08:51.480 uh, lower hanging fruit than the females. So why not just go for the males, um, who will in turn

01:08:58.360 influence the females? That's true. That does happen. And I think too, I've seen in the last two

01:09:03.740 years, a huge influx of women and it's because of, uh, women like us, we're out there talking

01:09:08.680 about that and women draw other women and that is happening. And I'm seeing it happen quite quickly

01:09:13.580 in the last couple of years. And I expect that to happen more so. And I'm even meeting girls who

01:09:19.100 are coming in who have boyfriends who aren't red pilled, if you will. So it's not always just,

01:09:23.920 uh, just the guy or just the girl. There's all kinds of interesting scenarios we have here too.

01:09:28.420 And I'm also finding there's a lot of diverse kind of, uh, alt-right couples. I don't mean racially

01:09:33.040 diverse. I mean, they found themselves in interesting situations that they, the woman

01:09:38.040 wants to stay home, but she found that she's like, she's having to work and the guy is actually at

01:09:42.820 home. I've heard of all kinds of interesting scenarios that people have, uh, found themselves

01:09:47.360 in. So it's the alt-right couples is quite interesting and everyone has a different story

01:09:51.860 and a different setup. But one thing that they share is the, the existential threat, the, the main

01:09:57.340 purpose. They know it's important to have their children and fight for their countries and fight

01:10:02.080 for Western civilization and European people. And that's the thing that's really keeping them

01:10:06.760 very tight. I mean, that's what bind, that's what will bind a marriage when you have an existential

01:10:11.400 threat like that. And I mean, there's nothing that's going to make that couple get divorced.

01:10:15.980 But last question for you as a woman, do you both have emotional days where it's hard to deal with

01:10:22.300 some of the, the politics where it can become kind of heavy for you? And if so, how do you handle it?

01:10:27.920 I sort of went through this over an extended period of time. And when I saw what was happening with,

01:10:34.400 um, Europe, I was completely terrified. I was just horrified by that. And then I just,

01:10:44.660 you just sort of, uh, the, um, shock kind of wears off and you kind of step back and see

01:10:53.140 how unfortunate the situation is, but that's the reality. And it's, it is horrifying and there's

01:11:02.140 going to be war over there. But, um, I, as a woman, I guess I processed it many months ago,

01:11:10.960 just knowing that just seeing all the cards laid out on the table and seeing just how bad

01:11:16.400 everything is there and how much worse it's going to get. And I just pray for those people. I pray for,

01:11:22.080 for all of us, the West is, uh, hanging on, I think by a thread and we, we're facing, like you said,

01:11:29.820 an existential crisis that is unprecedented throughout history. So, um, it's, it's going to

01:11:36.740 take, uh, quite a bit of, um, some reckoning, I think on, on Westerners to, um, decide how they're

01:11:47.520 going to fight back against this. And I think we have to fight back physically, mentally, emotionally,

01:11:54.600 spiritually. We need our friends. We need a brotherhood. We need a sisterhood. All those

01:11:58.660 things are really important because I hear from people all the time that are kind of having many

01:12:01.580 nervous breakdowns. And I find that one thing about them is they're very isolated. So they need to get

01:12:06.400 around people like us to, to have that kind of, uh, brotherhood or sisterhood where they can come to,

01:12:12.560 like church basically, where they can talk about their feelings and have some support.

01:12:17.840 And what, what do you think, Tara? How, how do you handle some of the emotions?

01:12:23.020 Listen, I've actually experienced kind of the opposite to what you might expect because a lot

01:12:27.700 of people, when they get red pilled, they then get black pilled, which is a way of saying once they

01:12:33.000 realize this information, they become very depressed. Um, but for me, it was the opposite because

01:12:38.080 I was actually depressed before I was red pilled because I was like, I had such a nihilistic

01:12:44.180 worldview. Uh, it was like very little meaning in my life. Um, you know, from a bigger picture

01:12:51.300 perspective. So now actually I can see the bigger picture. Um, and I feel like I have a purpose

01:12:59.180 in influencing the outcome. So I actually, um, find, um, more grounded and like have a healthier,

01:13:10.020 um, if thinking about the world and have better wellbeing in that sense and are more resilient,

01:13:17.580 you know, because I have a purpose and a goal and I'm not just like nihilistic about things. Uh,

01:13:23.060 because nihilism is really, really, um, damaging and toxic, I think. And, um, and yeah, I feel more

01:13:31.820 connected to my ancestors and my family members, uh, in, in that kind of sense that can only come

01:13:39.000 with, uh, recognizing, you know, the importance of racial differences and, uh, and, uh, genes and

01:13:45.740 everything that we like to talk about that is basically banned from being spoken about. In terms of

01:13:51.640 small things, uh, where I react emotionally on a day-to-day basis, um, I've had to have, I've had

01:14:01.020 to kind of recruit some volunteers to help me out with things because, um, I, it gets, it's very silly

01:14:08.860 and I'm not sure if most people listening to us have this experience, but, you know, sometimes, um,

01:14:14.240 I'll, I'll kind of be overly critical of myself. So I'll be like, oh, I don't want to put that video up

01:14:19.080 because it's just not perfect enough. We all do it. Trust me. Yeah. I, I hate watching myself back

01:14:25.220 to, I think that's a, I think it's a healthy response that we're not, you know, arrogant

01:14:29.680 about it. Like some people who just think they're so awesome and love to watch themselves all the

01:14:33.320 time. We're not those people. Yeah. Yeah. So it's really helping now. Um, I have some anonymous,

01:14:40.740 uh, but not, uh, I would love to give them credit, but for security reasons where they're staying

01:14:47.940 anonymous, um, anonymous helpers going around, um, uh, helping me with these kinds of things that

01:14:53.760 from an emotional perspective are a bit draining for me. And I know it sounds so silly, doesn't it?

01:14:59.220 Like, you know, putting up a video or a blog post, um, after you've made it, but I definitely think

01:15:05.460 that there are kind of different roles in life, different roles for genders, different roles,

01:15:10.220 um, in, in any kind of business or in any kind of creative project, you need to have some people

01:15:17.260 who are doing the creating and other people who are doing the editing and other people who are doing

01:15:21.780 the publicization, you know, somehow, um, breaking things down into segments like that and having

01:15:29.680 different people responsible for different roles makes things so much easier. It's like, you can just

01:15:35.160 do the bit you're good at and the other people can do the bit, uh, you get a much better outcome.

01:15:41.920 Oh, I agree. That's what I'm learning. Yeah. An army has many roles to fill and I feel that

01:15:46.720 we're more effective when we come together and help each other out. And I see that happening with

01:15:51.640 alt-right media. We're cross-promoting, we work together, we come on each other's shows. I think

01:15:56.040 we're much more effective if we unite together as opposed to being kind of separate entities and we

01:16:01.720 kind of help each other fill different roles and people volunteer to do, maybe they're not

01:16:06.060 talented in editing, but they like to do other grunt work or exactly. You have to do according

01:16:10.920 to what your talents are because some, some people's talents are lost when they get stuck in the tedious

01:16:16.600 kind of grunt work and then they can get kind of depressed about it, you know, and then lose the

01:16:20.440 spark. Whereas other people, they're like, I love doing admin work. Let me do that for you. So yeah,

01:16:24.780 don't feel bad about that. I think that that's, that's smart. That's an efficient way. And

01:16:28.720 in the long run, you'll feel better, do better. You'll have more energy. I also like what you said

01:16:34.000 earlier about how, when you were red-pilled, if you will, you, you felt kind of liberated and free.

01:16:39.740 And it's true because you're armed with the truth. You learn the truth. And for me, I found like I found

01:16:44.820 a real family, real tribe, wasn't so isolated anymore. A lot of the dots were kind of connected

01:16:51.900 for me and things made sense. It is an empowering type of thing too, and truly liberating. And that's

01:16:57.640 where I think the left is going to lose because we actually have something to offer people that

01:17:01.980 is fulfilling, that is liberating. And it is very much a, even a spiritual experience for a lot of

01:17:08.840 people. And the left just doesn't have that anymore, do they? They just don't have anything

01:17:12.760 to give or offer people anymore. Yeah. And I also just wanted to reiterate

01:17:16.220 how that kind of method of, of working and creating a project, for example, it's the same with

01:17:23.620 the family, you know, you need, it's much better when you have one person who does most of the

01:17:28.620 cooking, most of the cleaning, most of the childcare, and one person who does most of the

01:17:31.800 income, you know, of a job or whatever it is. It just, it just makes everything easier when people

01:17:39.560 know what their role is, rather than, you know, you can just imagine the number of arguments that

01:17:46.580 these, these couples who are trying to both be men have, you know, over who's going to do the

01:17:52.960 washing up tonight, you know, it's like, because they don't, they, they don't have their just natural

01:17:58.640 roles that can, they can just fall into. Yeah. And also it doesn't mean just because a woman usually,

01:18:05.820 you know, does the dishes or cooks, doesn't mean that the guy doesn't help, you know, I'm lucky

01:18:10.780 because in my family, I was surrounded by Renaissance men and I'm still married to one of those who can,

01:18:14.920 you know, that knows how to cook and knows how to clean and isn't an idiot. And I think women are,

01:18:19.760 especially women in the alter right are attracted to that because then when they do need backup for

01:18:22.980 certain things, a guy knows how to, how to wash and fold his own underwear, because let's face it,

01:18:27.740 it means a turnoff if it can, right? Confidence is always attractive.

01:18:31.760 Well, ladies, I want to thank you for your time today, but I want you guys to share your website.

01:18:36.860 So I guess Tara, we'll start with you. Tell us what you do, how people can reach you, all your websites.

01:18:42.160 Yeah, well, we do lots of interviews for our show, Virtua for West, which you can find just by

01:18:49.080 searching Virtua for West on YouTube. Everything I do is pretty much on my website, realitycallshow.com.

01:18:56.800 And I spend a lot of time on Twitter as well, if you want to catch me at realitycallscore.

01:19:02.000 Find me at, I'm at thenewfemme.com. And my Twitter is thenewfemme, twitter.com slash thenewfemme.

01:19:11.160 All right. Thank you, ladies. It's been a blast and we'll have to do this again sometime. So

01:19:15.940 thank you. Thanks, Lana. Thank you.

01:19:19.280 Thank you.

01:19:21.280 Thank you.

01:19:26.280 Thank you.

01:19:56.280 Thank you.

Radio 3Fourteen - March 31, 2017

Finding Redpilled Love _ Friendships

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