Radio 3Fourteen - May 28, 2014


Germanic Heathenism _ Preserving European Heritage


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In this episode, Elizabeth talks about her journey back to Germanic Heathenism and her journey to find her spiritual roots. She shares her story of growing up in a Christian home and being introduced to the pagan religion.

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00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.
00:01:00.000 and pre-Christian spiritual practices of the Celtic and Germanic peoples in a lifelong
00:01:05.600 search for her spiritual roots. 0.75
00:01:07.420 Sit back and relax because you're going to enjoy this one.
00:01:10.200 Welcome, Elizabeth.
00:01:11.000 How are you this evening?
00:01:12.840 Oh, I'm doing good.
00:01:13.980 Had a little glass of mead here to get started on talking about Germanic heathenism. 0.73
00:01:17.640 Perfect.
00:01:18.220 Very fitting.
00:01:19.760 So how did your family end up in America?
00:01:21.540 Oh, wow.
00:01:23.760 So most of my ancestors came over here during the 1600s in the first wave, really.
00:01:30.560 I had some come over with the, kind of with the Mayflower group, but on different ships
00:01:35.920 to Salem.
00:01:37.700 And others came through Delaware and then settled in Ohio, and they were primarily
00:01:43.960 of German and Swiss descent.
00:01:46.540 And I also had French Huguenot ancestors that came over from escaping Catholic persecution
00:01:53.260 there who came over as indentured servants here and had to work off their servitude, and
00:01:58.460 Irish also.
00:01:59.200 Were they ever freed?
00:02:00.160 Because, you know, some indentured servants were enslaved their whole life, and they
00:02:03.580 had horrible lives.
00:02:04.540 People think, oh, it was just easy.
00:02:06.160 They had it easy, which is not true at all.
00:02:08.540 No, it's not.
00:02:10.080 They actually, I don't think it was too bad for them.
00:02:13.000 It was probably your basic contract where they actually just kind of, you know, I think
00:02:17.660 one was a cabinetmaker and, you know, did his time, you know, as an indentured servant
00:02:22.400 and also training, I think, as an apprentice to become a cabinetmaker that was part of the
00:02:27.320 heritage of the French Huguenot family.
00:02:29.200 So, no, I don't have any horror stories, really.
00:02:32.460 Oh, that's good.
00:02:33.240 But they did, they left behind all their, you know, estates in France and had to come 1.00
00:02:37.640 actually first to England and then over here.
00:02:41.100 Yeah, so has your family been good at keeping records and passing that along to the children?
00:02:45.940 Not exactly.
00:02:47.200 I pretty much did, like, all the genealogical research for my family, myself, and my grandmother
00:02:53.620 knew about three generations back.
00:02:56.340 And then I, using Ancestry.com and also the Mormon site, was able to research back past
00:03:02.800 the Middle Ages, basically.
00:03:04.200 And, yeah.
00:03:05.220 Yeah, I've done some digging, too.
00:03:06.880 And I can't, the farthest back I can go is Russian Orthodox. 1.00
00:03:10.880 Right?
00:03:11.100 Like, come on, what were we before that, you know?
00:03:13.660 And you ask your grandparents and they just, they have this confused look on their face,
00:03:17.520 you know?
00:03:18.080 Yeah.
00:03:19.100 Well, before we dive into Germanic heathenism, tell us about your path that brought you back 1.00
00:03:23.600 to Germanic heathenism, because in reality, you are returning to it.
00:03:27.340 Yeah, that's true.
00:03:28.380 So, wow, I pretty much had your basic Protestant Christian upbringing that I think a lot of
00:03:34.740 people here in America who have European descent and others can identify with.
00:03:39.740 And when I was about 12 years old, that was the age my mother explained to me was the age
00:03:45.760 of accountability, where you had to decide, finally, if you accepted Jesus Christ as your
00:03:50.340 Lord and Savior.
00:03:51.500 So, knowing nothing else, of course, was very excited, and I did.
00:03:55.700 I filled out a small little booklet where you say this little prayer and say that you
00:04:00.020 sign a little contract saying that you accept him as your Savior.
00:04:03.660 And after that happened, I was a very inquisitive child, and I was really excited about my religion,
00:04:10.160 and I already knew a lot about your basic Christianity that you learn in church, but I was really
00:04:15.900 filled with a passion to learn more.
00:04:18.380 And so I started really studying the Bible and really researching Middle Eastern mythology
00:04:24.180 in an attempt to learn more.
00:04:26.800 And what happened is I started finding references to Sumerian and Babylonian mythology, where
00:04:32.100 they talk about the same myth, but with multiple gods.
00:04:35.840 And so I went to my mother and asked her about this, you know, why do they have the Garden
00:04:40.180 of Eden here, and you have multiple gods, and, you know, Adapa, and I forget her name,
00:04:45.460 but Adam and Eve are created at the same time.
00:04:47.740 And I was very excited with this new information, and my mother didn't really know any better,
00:04:53.780 but she said, well, don't ask questions.
00:04:55.980 The devil makes you ask questions.
00:04:57.200 Oh, jeez.
00:04:57.860 So that was just really struck a chord in me, and just, I realized that, wait, my inquiry,
00:05:06.460 you know, my inquisitiveness was being, I was being told to shut it off and just to believe,
00:05:10.900 and it really wasn't good enough for me.
00:05:13.340 And I basically went to the one place that anyone at that age went to for other answers,
00:05:18.820 which was the New Age section of the bookstore.
00:05:20.500 Oh, yeah.
00:05:22.480 And that's how I got into Wicca, which is, I think, kind of the gateway religion for anyone
00:05:30.020 who's coming from a Christian background and is looking for deeper answers.
00:05:34.920 Yeah, it seems like a lot of the Wiccan witches I met, they're these, they're still these, 1.00
00:05:39.860 very much these lefty feminist types, and I feel like they're doing it just to rebel against 1.00
00:05:44.580 their Christian parents, so it's not even really that sincere, you know what I mean? 1.00
00:05:47.900 Oh, yeah, I do know what you mean.
00:05:49.780 And they kind of fall into it with the same fervor, and you end up basically psychologically
00:05:54.760 taking all the damage that you've accrued by being a Christian and just applying it to 0.93
00:05:59.120 this new kind of format, which is also why I think that they really gravitate towards
00:06:03.640 the opposite.
00:06:04.380 So instead of having a domineering god in the sky, it's all the goddess, you know, it's
00:06:08.940 all about feminism, empowerment, and, you know, not even much mention of, you know, what
00:06:13.260 they call the god in their mythology, you know?
00:06:16.820 Yeah.
00:06:17.260 So why did paganism speak to you?
00:06:19.760 The way it actually happened, it's funny, I found this book, which a lot of people, you
00:06:27.080 know, critique because the research isn't, you know, perfectly done, but, you know, at
00:06:31.640 that time, it did help me.
00:06:33.360 It was Celtic Magic by DJ Conway, and now I don't recommend this book, but at the time,
00:06:40.000 it helped me because it was my first exposure to reading about pagan mythology and pagan gods,
00:06:45.900 and this was the Irish tradition, and the reason it spoke to me is because I'd always
00:06:50.960 felt a deep connection with nature.
00:06:53.580 I felt most spiritually fulfilled when I was out in nature, singing to the trees as a child
00:06:59.900 and things like that, and Christianity really didn't give that to me.
00:07:03.140 So here I was reading from these Wiccan authors that the divine is in nature, and that it was
00:07:09.440 okay to feel that way, learning about, you know, the fairies, which they presented as
00:07:13.120 these little diminutive beings, which I know now is not true.
00:07:16.320 And I felt like that kind of just felt more natural, felt more natural, you know, they
00:07:24.820 were about the seasons and, you know, just kind of not the sick, twisted idea of sin and
00:07:32.240 that there's something inherently wrong with you.
00:07:34.700 Oh, yeah.
00:07:35.780 And then there's a lot of Christians that are worried about when you talk about this being
00:07:38.880 in tune with nature, that's earth worship, that's of the devil.
00:07:42.040 Right, that's idolism, that's, you know, earth, who is, you know, who is the Lord of the
00:07:46.180 earth, it's Satan, right?
00:07:48.120 Yeah.
00:07:48.800 Yeah.
00:07:49.360 Well, the word heathen has been demonized after Christianity to mean an uncivilized or
00:07:54.480 unenlightened barbaric person.
00:07:56.560 So setting Christian disinfo aside, what did it really mean to be a heathen? 0.89
00:08:01.860 Well, I guess I didn't know that term at that time, you know, and I was Wiccan for a long
00:08:09.540 time and kind of, I feel like that's kind of a trap that people can fall into because what
00:08:15.280 it took me time to realize when I looked on my bookshelves and basically people who have
00:08:19.140 had experience with Wicca will know what I'm talking about, when I saw the symbol for
00:08:23.420 this one publisher all across my bookshelf and realized that all these books were coming
00:08:30.120 from the same publisher.
00:08:32.080 And with my insatiable search for knowledge, I wasn't satisfied with just reading these
00:08:36.380 books.
00:08:36.680 I had to go to the sources and start reading the actual, you know, Jacob Grimm's Germanic
00:08:41.180 mythology, things like that, the Tanbukulni of the Irish tradition, and, you know, the
00:08:46.860 poetic Ada and the prose Ada by Snorri Sturlus.
00:08:51.140 And I was starting to see a pattern here where the things the Wiccan authors were saying, that
00:08:56.200 they were the oldest religion and how the ancients used to worship, they weren't jiving
00:09:00.420 with what I was reading in these actual scholarly books.
00:09:03.340 And it was at that point that I kind of gave it up for a while and didn't really know what
00:09:11.580 to do with it.
00:09:12.820 I was reading these stories.
00:09:14.240 They really, you know, spoke to me, but they didn't mix with the Wiccan, basically.
00:09:19.400 Wicca is started by Gerald Gardner, and he was a Mason and a friend with Alistair Crawley.
00:09:25.240 He really didn't have a whole lot to do with actual pre-Christian pagan traditions.
00:09:29.120 And I'm not exactly answering your question, but later on, the word heathen felt like an
00:09:37.380 empowering word, kind of like people who try to reclaim the word witch, because the Judeo-Christian
00:09:44.000 construct really is designed to disempower you, to make you reject all the things that
00:09:50.540 in the past our ancestors held as dear, like strength, you know, pride in your accomplishments,
00:09:56.060 you know, a sense of self-interest, preserving yourself, and being independent.
00:10:02.640 And so, yeah, the word heathen, I like it now.
00:10:05.880 I see it as reclaiming a word saying, yes, that, you know, you're going to call me a barbarian.
00:10:11.800 I'm not a barbarian.
00:10:13.680 I believe in the traditions of my ancestors, who were far, far from barbaric, way less barbaric
00:10:18.400 than, in my opinion, than the Roman Catholic Church has been throughout the ages.
00:10:21.860 Oh, of course.
00:10:22.580 So, who were the original heathens?
00:10:25.860 The original heathens would be our ancestors before Christianity came to their lands. 1.00
00:10:34.020 And what they actually practiced was an earth-centered spirituality.
00:10:39.440 And it arises out of your intuition, arises out of an instinctive connection to nature.
00:10:44.920 And I by no means consider myself to be an expert on this, but from what I've read and how I feel about it,
00:10:52.780 it seems to me that this started from probably veneration of the dead, veneration of the ancestors.
00:11:01.580 And to get a little spooky here and a little less scholarly, I myself have had personal experience where I have felt spirits.
00:11:10.940 I've had concrete experiences where, thankfully, I know that they do exist after death.
00:11:16.340 And I believe these people had those experiences.
00:11:19.160 And when a loved one had gone beyond, they wanted to keep honoring them.
00:11:22.980 And in some cases, you had men, women, who were very extraordinary individuals,
00:11:28.820 who really amassed a lot of knowledge in their life, really gave something to their people.
00:11:34.220 And in those cases, they would become the gods.
00:11:38.060 And just for an example, Woden or Odin, who most heathens know, in the Heimskringla, they considered him to be,
00:11:47.000 which is the genealogy of the kings, they considered him to be their ancestor.
00:11:51.500 And they believed that they were descended from him.
00:11:53.560 And that Woden had actually been a man, a great man who lived, who was possibly a king and a shaman at the same time.
00:12:00.540 And so, you know, it starts as veneration of the dead, and they become gods,
00:12:06.320 and they guide and help their people from the beyond.
00:12:09.160 That's where I think it came from.
00:12:11.100 Well, what Christians do then, in some regard, I mean, they hear you talk about that, 0.86
00:12:15.840 venerating dead, you know, it's so spooky.
00:12:18.100 But aren't they doing that if they think Jesus is real or these saints are real
00:12:22.040 and they're venerating them every year during their holidays?
00:12:25.340 Isn't that pretty much the same thing?
00:12:27.500 It pretty much is.
00:12:28.520 And actually, in most cases, the saints are the old gods in a lot of lands,
00:12:33.840 because that's how they would convert them.
00:12:35.740 The Christians would go into an area, and these people were not quick to put aside their old ways. 1.00
00:12:42.760 And so what they would do is they would turn these people into saints.
00:12:46.680 In the Irish example, St. Bridget is a perfect example. 0.65
00:12:50.220 She was the breed, an Irish goddess. 0.86
00:12:53.140 And so they basically created a nice little saint's life for her.
00:12:56.260 Now they said she was a, you know, very devout Christian who would become a saint.
00:13:00.660 You can keep practicing all your pagan rituals, but now you're going to the church to do it. 0.96
00:13:04.780 You're praying to St. Bridget, right?
00:13:07.580 It's just amazing that, I mean, how old is paganism?
00:13:10.420 It could be in a more than 40,000 years old, 150,000 years old.
00:13:14.400 And then here comes Christianity. 0.96
00:13:15.660 What is it, a couple thousand years old?
00:13:17.260 And it just, bam, just took hold of the world.
00:13:19.280 Yeah, here comes Christianity. 0.95
00:13:21.260 It just amazes me.
00:13:22.180 Yeah, it's called for me.
00:13:23.880 Yeah, I mean, it predates everything.
00:13:25.700 Islam, Christianity, Buddhism.
00:13:27.940 It really does.
00:13:28.800 And even though we're talking about European and specifically Germanic heathenism tonight, 0.77
00:13:34.120 my belief is that people, I think there's a call for people to return to their earth-based
00:13:41.420 traditions, regardless of what your culture is.
00:13:44.240 And, you know, if you look at every single culture on the planet and you really look back,
00:13:49.320 most have traditions that are based on the earth, based on the ancestors, veneration of nature.
00:13:55.040 I mean, you have Santeria for the Latin American peoples, you have voodoo and the beautiful 1.00
00:14:01.420 African traditions for African peoples, you have Shinto in Japan, you know, and even the
00:14:08.220 Chinese used to have a really beautiful pagan tradition that was destroyed by communist China.
00:14:13.920 So, you know, there's a lot of talk these days about diversity being our strength and
00:14:20.560 multiculturalism, but what I see is a great hypocrisy because it seems that they just want 1.00
00:14:24.720 to cut everybody off from their roots, blend everybody together.
00:14:27.820 When, for me, diversity really could be our strength if we really reconnect with these
00:14:33.260 traditions and become a nation of people, I'm sorry, a world of people who are connected
00:14:38.980 to their ancestral roots, proud of their individual nations, and then able to come together and
00:14:44.380 share your acquired knowledge, you know, for the betterment of the planet.
00:14:47.820 We have to reclaim that word diversity because it is anything but diverse out there right 1.00
00:14:53.600 now.
00:14:53.760 It's not universe, it's oneversity, I don't know the word for it, monoversity, there you
00:14:58.860 go.
00:14:59.440 Yeah, but you're right, there's other cultures around the world that still venerate their
00:15:02.600 ancestors, and then I see some white people that go to these third world countries and
00:15:05.800 they see that and say, oh, it's so beautiful, and it's like, well, we used to venerate our
00:15:09.800 dead too before you cut yourself off from it, you know, and we should do this to cultivate
00:15:14.620 values and knowledge, its kinship to pass it along through our family lineage, I mean, knowledge
00:15:19.060 of the natural world and their place in it, it's classic and it never goes out of date,
00:15:23.380 wouldn't you say?
00:15:25.040 I would definitely say that.
00:15:26.640 I think it comes naturally to the human condition.
00:15:29.020 Even a Christian, you know, it's sad to see Christian friends of mine who have someone
00:15:34.400 who has died and they feel that they can't, you know, they're forbidden.
00:15:39.240 If they've really studied their Bibles, they are forbidden to talk to the dead.
00:15:42.480 They're not supposed to do that.
00:15:43.620 They're only supposed to speak to Jesus, to God.
00:15:46.280 And when I say something to them, like, they're right there.
00:15:50.060 Just talk to them.
00:15:51.160 You know, it's just kind of this sadness I see in their eyes where they just don't understand
00:15:56.540 because you're not allowed to do that.
00:15:58.920 Yeah.
00:15:59.080 What are some more important traditions or beliefs within Germanic heathenism?
00:16:03.360 We touched upon the nature aspect, but what else is there?
00:16:06.020 Well, there's one of the things that you have to do when you cut yourself off from, when
00:16:13.700 you start relearning this stuff, is you have to unlearn all the programming that's been done
00:16:18.840 to you.
00:16:19.800 So in Germanic heathenism, for one example, your approach to the divine is very different
00:16:26.020 than that of Christianity or any other Abrahamic religion.
00:16:29.160 You're not going to the gods groveling and supplicating before this mighty being, you
00:16:35.280 know, begging them to please interact with this filthy, sin-filled human being and help
00:16:39.860 you.
00:16:40.520 You're meeting, I wouldn't say on an equal ground, but you're meeting them, honoring
00:16:46.240 them, and asking their help because they have more experience than you, you know, they're
00:16:51.120 more wise than you, and so you're making kind of a more equal exchange there.
00:16:57.140 And another one is the virtues of heathenism.
00:17:00.920 In Asatru, they call them the nine noble virtues, and those are, I'll just say what they are.
00:17:07.780 Yeah, great.
00:17:09.140 Courage, truth, honor, fidelity, discipline, hospitality, industriousness, self-reliance, and perseverance.
00:17:21.340 And just by examining those words by themselves, you can see, hmm, what are some of these that
00:17:27.120 probably aren't encouraged that much in Christianity?
00:17:30.280 Well, I definitely can point out a few.
00:17:33.020 Courage, self-reliance, and perseverance, unless it's, you know, perseverance with the word
00:17:39.240 that you've read.
00:17:39.940 And I think that heathenism encourages you to be, to rely on yourself, to be strong, not
00:17:46.160 to be a victim.
00:17:48.560 You kind of take the role in Christianity as you're kind of a slave to it, whereas, you 0.99
00:17:54.220 know, in heathenism, you're called to be strong.
00:17:57.160 You're called to cultivate all of your strengths, and you're called to, you know, be true to
00:18:01.760 yourself, be true to others, to honor your ancestors, honor your family, your tribe.
00:18:08.420 Just a few things.
00:18:09.680 Hospitality is a big one.
00:18:10.740 That's something that's not really covered in Christianity, but that's basically the concept
00:18:14.960 that, you know, if you have a guest in your house, for example, that they have, basically,
00:18:19.940 you're responsible for their welfare, and they are safe with you, and it's very important
00:18:25.760 that you first offer them drink to make them welcome, and yeah, it's a big focus on just
00:18:34.780 the traditions of our peoples, you know, and just the little customs, the little things
00:18:39.700 that connect you to the seasons, that connect you to the gods, that I think are really beautiful.
00:18:44.600 Yeah, and you said a word that a lot of people freak out about, self-reliance.
00:18:48.780 It's, you've got to take care of yourself and be your own master.
00:18:53.500 Yeah, I mean, I've heard stories of Christians praying over gas tanks, praying for God to
00:18:57.660 fill it up, and it's like, there's only one way that's going to get full.
00:19:00.700 You have to go, you have to go work, you have to make some money, and then you have to go
00:19:03.960 to the gas station.
00:19:05.700 Exactly.
00:19:06.300 There's an often quoted, I don't know where it comes from, but it actually does not come
00:19:10.360 from the Bible, phrase that some Christians love to say, God helps those who help themselves.
00:19:14.400 Well, I would almost venture to wonder, does this come from pagan times?
00:19:18.780 Because it's not biblical.
00:19:21.820 And, you know, the heathen gods, they won't help someone who lets their life fall into
00:19:28.680 complete ruin, who's a slacker, you know, doesn't give a damn about anybody else, and 0.89
00:19:33.780 then all of a sudden wants their help.
00:19:35.840 You know, it's, there's a, it's like you just look at the Grimm's fairy tales, which
00:19:40.400 kind of encode in a secret way to pass on to the people at a time when they were dealing
00:19:45.500 with Christianity, the old ethics of their pagan ancestors.
00:19:49.560 And one of the recurring themes there is that, you know, Rumpelstiltskin, for example, you
00:19:55.160 know, these, these elves, these beings, they will help the people who are really industrious,
00:20:00.120 who are trying really hard anyway.
00:20:01.680 So, you know, the young girl, she's spinning and spinning and trying to create all that
00:20:06.140 thread.
00:20:07.200 And so then she gets the help of the elves, you know, if she's not industrious, she gets 0.55
00:20:11.200 left behind.
00:20:11.920 She doesn't get help. 1.00
00:20:13.060 So multiple themes like that.
00:20:16.380 So who were some of the gods and goddesses?
00:20:20.280 Well, with Germanic heathenisms, you have basically one pantheon that's kind of, the names are different
00:20:28.620 depending on what region you go to.
00:20:30.540 So most people are familiar with the Scandinavian names, which would be typically Odin, Thor,
00:20:37.300 Frey, Freya, Sif, Thor's wife, Frigg, Odin's wife.
00:20:43.360 Like, I hate to say his name, but Loki, he's the, you know, bringer of mischief and ruin
00:20:52.020 in a lot of cases.
00:20:53.720 But, you know, and then if you go into more Germanic, which for some reason I have more
00:20:58.880 of a resonance with, maybe because I feel like there's, there's some hidden older knowledge
00:21:04.100 there.
00:21:04.760 You would have, the equivalent would be Wolden, Thunor, and I don't think they have a Loki
00:21:11.180 really, but yeah, those, those would be the gods.
00:21:15.100 They, they believe in two different types of gods, the Aasir and the Vanir.
00:21:20.960 So the Aasir would be kind of what I talked about earlier.
00:21:24.480 Those would be the deified ancestors that, you know, the, they would, they symbolize things
00:21:31.360 like excellence in magic, poetry, battle, you know, household skills, things like that.
00:21:39.280 Whereas the Vanir gods, which would be, I should clarify here, for example, the Aasir gods would
00:21:46.200 be Odin, Thor, and Frigg.
00:21:50.120 Whereas the Vanir gods, for example, you would have Frey and Freyja. 0.54
00:21:53.660 But they typify, the Vanir gods typify more, the forces within nature.
00:21:59.340 Earth forces, water forces, kind of, that kind of thing.
00:22:03.220 And then you have what are referred to as the giants.
00:22:07.380 And those are basically considered to be an ancient race of beings that symbolize very
00:22:12.700 primal forces in nature that often manifest in a chaotic way.
00:22:18.680 Thor is known by most people through the movie as the defender of man.
00:22:24.200 What he does is he wards off the power of the giants and protects man within the world
00:22:29.440 of Midgard.
00:22:30.000 Now, animism is also a big part of this, right?
00:22:34.960 Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:22:37.060 Animism is, animism is, I think, inherent to most people, even as a child.
00:22:42.720 You know, you think that objects have feelings, you know, it feels like, you know, when I was
00:22:47.060 a kid, I remember thinking that everything around me was aware of itself.
00:22:50.280 And that's what animism is.
00:22:52.220 Stones, trees, rivers, they have a personality.
00:22:54.580 And we kind of anthropomorphize that into a human form for our subconscious minds to kind
00:23:02.220 of deal with that power that we're interacting with.
00:23:05.360 Why do you think we're not seeing, I was thinking the other day I watched Grimm.
00:23:09.720 It's this horrible TV show.
00:23:11.400 Have you heard of it?
00:23:12.140 Oh, yes, I have.
00:23:13.360 It's supposed to be loosely based on the stories published by the Brothers Grimm.
00:23:17.540 And it's like, there's, I didn't see one German name attached to it, but there's a lot of
00:23:21.260 Jewish people in there.
00:23:22.180 And in fact, they made a bar mitzvah comment in one of the first few episodes.
00:23:27.680 But why do you think a lot of these stories with folklore, folklore, legends, Scandinavian,
00:23:33.320 Germanic, Slavic, how come these aren't being incorporated into movies?
00:23:36.700 That is a good question.
00:23:39.560 And I've thought that so many times when I read these old myths and I would think, my
00:23:44.440 God, these would make such amazing movies.
00:23:47.900 But the thing is, is that they do do it, right?
00:23:50.880 They, what they do is they do it and they twist it and cartoonify it.
00:23:55.280 And like you said, like in that show, and I think it's a way to subtly denigrate them
00:24:01.400 on a subconscious level and to make us think that there is no value in them.
00:24:05.080 Disney comes to mind, for example.
00:24:07.360 Oh yeah.
00:24:08.540 It's a war tactic. 0.82
00:24:09.780 They do not want Europeans to connect to something old because they know that they would be waking 0.95
00:24:14.980 a giant, a giant that's going to be very mad when he wakes up.
00:24:21.420 Yeah.
00:24:21.600 Speaking of Thor, again, there was a, why not find a Nordic girl to play in that role? 0.71
00:24:27.140 But they had a Jewish girl play the role, you know?
00:24:30.600 They had the beautiful Israeli Natalie Portman.
00:24:33.120 Yeah, because Nordic women aren't beautiful, right? 1.00
00:24:35.920 No, we all know that. 0.62
00:24:37.400 They're all whip-wielding SS officers. 0.80
00:24:40.120 It's frightening women with big, strong jaws, right? 1.00
00:24:43.940 No.
00:24:44.900 I mean, the Thor movie was really funny to me.
00:24:47.360 It was nice on the one hand to see them kind of put those myths out there, but they did
00:24:51.940 it such a disservice on so many important levels.
00:24:54.560 And just one I'd like to point out is that, you know, Thor is this, you know, young blonde 1.00
00:24:59.960 man, you know, and his friend.
00:25:03.780 It really struck me that his friend, the one who's more burly with the big red beard, when
00:25:08.400 I saw him, I thought, that's Thor.
00:25:09.960 That's him.
00:25:11.260 Why don't they have this guy play Thor?
00:25:14.460 But, no, I mean, I think, I wonder about the motives of Disney, if you go back, you know,
00:25:19.320 because these myths, you know, Snow White, Rose Red, Sleeping Beauty, they're very sacred
00:25:25.340 myths to our people.
00:25:26.900 And they carry on, you know, deep traditions and values that really matter.
00:25:33.840 And they do carry, all you have to do is pick up a copy of Brumus' Fairy Tales and start
00:25:38.840 reading it, the actual originals, to see that the gods are in there over and over again.
00:25:43.460 And, you know, they take these movies, turn them into little cutesy cartoons that really
00:25:49.880 don't have much value in them at all, and then put them, you know, on theaters all across
00:25:55.640 the, you know, nation.
00:25:57.400 And, you know, America has a very Germanic population, at least back then, especially, they did.
00:26:02.520 So, what was their intent?
00:26:04.140 Stan Lee, the man who wrote and created the Thor comics, he was a Jew. 1.00
00:26:07.960 Oh, yeah, okay.
00:26:09.260 It's interesting.
00:26:10.360 Why such a fascination with everything German?
00:26:12.560 Well, exactly.
00:26:14.200 Yeah, that's the question.
00:26:16.020 I mean, you know, it's just, it's very strange.
00:26:20.480 I mean, I've been a long-term, you know, listener of both of your shows.
00:26:25.200 I really, really enjoy them.
00:26:26.960 And, you know, of course, I've done a lot of research on my own, both in books and on
00:26:31.120 the internet.
00:26:31.780 And that question, it goes back so far.
00:26:36.420 And, you know, it's a very sensitive topic, but you two don't shy away from that.
00:26:41.260 I really am tired of shying away from it myself.
00:26:43.880 But, you know, if you go back to 800 A.D., there was a nation of people in the east, the Khazar Empire,
00:26:51.140 and the Germans basically were, Germanic peoples were in constant skirmishes with them in that area.
00:26:57.720 And at one point, they raised their entire city to the ground and slaughtered them.
00:27:02.420 And these kind of things went on back then between peoples.
00:27:05.280 And I've wondered myself, does it really go all the way back to that time?
00:27:11.540 I think this is a real old war.
00:27:14.340 We have no idea how far back it goes, but I have my hunch.
00:27:18.080 I'm looking into a few things, and I think that this is something that's quite ancient,
00:27:22.300 and it's coming to a head, and maybe now we're just starting to see this agenda unfolding.
00:27:27.040 I think so, too, and it's actually very sad because, you know, growing up as a child in America,
00:27:33.860 I believed in these beautiful ideals.
00:27:36.740 I really believed what they tell us, and I thought that naively that our politicians were the most noble of the bunch, you know,
00:27:45.380 and America was this great country, you know, doing all these wonderful things.
00:27:49.360 And, you know, I believed in everything that I was taught over and over again in school and about history.
00:27:57.840 And one thing that's always driven me is a search for the truth, regardless of how painful whatever you find may be.
00:28:05.240 And I've always been willing to discard any belief that I have, no matter how treasured, if it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
00:28:11.340 And I really wish the world was the way that I grew up thinking it was.
00:28:15.900 I don't want to believe what we're talking about right now is true.
00:28:19.020 But when you look at the world events right now, it becomes undeniable.
00:28:24.140 And the only way that you find it out is through shows like yours or through, you know,
00:28:28.960 searching through YouTube to try to find individual videos showing you in each European nation what's actually happening.
00:28:37.320 And once you really see it, and this actually happened to me very recently, you can't deny it.
00:28:43.820 And it's really a shock.
00:28:45.160 And you think, my goodness, there really is a war against European people right now.
00:28:50.540 Yeah, there is.
00:28:51.700 And people want to live in denial or they want to turn around and say, you deserve it.
00:28:56.180 They want to justify cultural and ethnic genocide to people that never had anything to do with events of the past.
00:29:02.420 And besides that, there's so much disinfo going around about, you know, slavery and the colonies and what was going on in history.
00:29:10.040 And everyone just buys it hook, line, and sinker.
00:29:11.720 Even people that are supposedly altars. 0.99
00:29:15.080 They're just reiterating the mainstream garbage right now. 0.94
00:29:19.420 It's just amazing. 0.93
00:29:20.260 They are, because, you know, the thing about human beings is that, you know, naturally, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but naturally, we're magical thinkers.
00:29:30.880 We think superstitiously, and we tend to believe what we're told.
00:29:35.680 And, you know, a black cat crosses your path before you have a really bad day, and so the next day you think, well, I better not, you know, let that black cat cross my path again.
00:29:43.800 Like, logic and critical thinking and reasoning skills are not necessarily something that comes naturally.
00:29:50.880 You have to teach them to yourself or learn them in school.
00:29:54.420 And we know that more and more they are not teaching people how to reason and how to think critically at all.
00:30:00.040 They're just teaching people how to obey.
00:30:01.720 And so even people who are in the alternative news community, it's just so much easier to just, you know, spout off what you've been told because it's so comforting than to actually receive anything someone says, no matter how absurd it might seem, and then dissect it with your logic.
00:30:19.360 Look into it yourself and think, well, maybe that's appalling to me, but I'm going to do a little digging around and see, is there some truth to that?
00:30:26.860 Yeah, exactly.
00:30:28.120 Exactly. It's like when you look into the Holocaust or slavery, it should be a good thing that if you find out as many people didn't die or as many people weren't slaves or that everyone was slaves and you weren't just singled out, it should be a good thing. 0.76
00:30:40.800 But people want to hang on to that because they're using it as a political weapon.
00:30:44.800 It's so obvious.
00:30:46.580 And if you repeat something over and over and over again, people will believe it's true and it becomes harder and harder to reject it.
00:30:53.380 And, you know, I think it's a miracle that I was able to free myself from Christianity, free myself from Judaism. 1.00
00:31:01.100 Like, I want to talk about that a little bit.
00:31:03.060 You went down that route, huh?
00:31:04.780 Oh, wow.
00:31:05.280 Yeah, I basically, I liken it to a shaman's path because, you know, for a shaman, although this would be healing yourself, in order to retrieve a part of your soul or a part of their client's soul, the person they're healing,
00:31:17.880 they have to descend all the way down to the underworld to find that piece of soul and take on the sickness of their client who they're healing and then return back to the upper world.
00:31:27.900 And so, you know, as a Christian, I took it as far as it could go.
00:31:32.380 This is later in life, obviously, not when I was 12.
00:31:35.540 I reverted to my Christian programming because when it's in there, you will revert.
00:31:40.440 Because what will happen to you is you'll have something terrible happen to you, like you'll go through a breakup or you'll lose a job or you'll injure yourself.
00:31:48.740 And it's burned in your consciousness, even if you've been practicing paganism for a while.
00:31:53.300 It's like, pray to Jesus.
00:31:54.500 Pray to Jesus right away.
00:31:56.040 You're desperate.
00:31:56.600 You call out to Jesus, you know.
00:31:58.480 And so I reverted back to Christianity for a long time.
00:32:02.080 But what happened with that is I started doing research then, again, as an adult.
00:32:07.500 And I started noticing all the inconsistencies and, you know, just the general embracing of ignorance that kind of typified the Christian community. 1.00
00:32:17.560 And so I basically started searching for, like, where's the real Bible?
00:32:22.540 That's one example.
00:32:23.640 You know, most fundamentalists, they will say all day long that the King James Version is the authoritative Bible, right?
00:32:30.780 Well, the thing is that when I did the research on my ancestors who came over here, I found out that they didn't actually carry the King James Bible.
00:32:39.720 They carried the Geneva Bible with them.
00:32:41.660 So I looked into the Geneva Bible and what was the difference between that and the King James Bible.
00:32:47.600 And basically, King James didn't like all of the anti-monarchy sentiment in the Geneva Bible.
00:32:54.180 So he had it rewritten to serve his own purposes.
00:32:57.820 And so that got me thinking, well, where's the real Bible?
00:33:00.820 How do I actually find it?
00:33:02.500 And I concluded, well, it must be in the Greek.
00:33:05.960 And to make a long story short, I ended up looking into Greek Orthodoxy.
00:33:11.020 I actually started going to a Greek Orthodox church.
00:33:13.840 And from then on, I looked into, you know, really started studying it, learning all about Paul and what he taught and Jesus and what he taught.
00:33:23.120 And then I started to notice that, wait, these two really conflicted with each other, Paul and Jesus.
00:33:28.460 There was a real problem there.
00:33:30.560 So what do you think about the Bible?
00:33:32.420 Is it mythology or did someone write it as a political tool?
00:33:35.380 There's a lot of ideas I know you're familiar with.
00:33:37.300 What are your thoughts?
00:33:39.260 Oh, wow.
00:33:39.960 Well, I mean, it really stems from Judaism.
00:33:42.420 So you have these people, Semitic peoples living in, you know, that area in the Middle East.
00:33:49.200 And there's a lot of theories that monotheism came out of Egypt.
00:33:54.000 That's definitely a possibility.
00:33:55.980 You know, in the Bible, the Jews explain their history themselves, saying that they were living in Egypt for a long time.
00:34:04.800 But the people that later became the Jews, they also had their own beautiful pagan traditions that they abandoned. 0.86
00:34:13.540 The worship of Asherah, the wife of Yahweh or El. 0.96
00:34:17.120 And they actually had different gods.
00:34:19.740 Yahweh was not the same thing as El, which any Jew or a very learned Christian knows that, you know, those are terms for God.
00:34:27.480 And somewhere along the line, you know, if I were to just guess, I would say that it may have been kind of a patriarchal movement, maybe a movement towards consolidating male power and making sure that you know who, you know, the father of your child is so you can pass on your belongings to that child.
00:34:49.820 And so, hence all the restrictive laws against, you know, sexual promiscuity and those kinds of things.
00:34:57.180 Yeah, it seems to with evenry, there's no central authorities, there's no single organization.
00:35:04.020 It's more for the anarchist types who believe in self-rule.
00:35:07.060 And I think they had to put the kibosh on that at some point.
00:35:10.560 Like, okay, we've got to push this other thing.
00:35:12.540 So, you know, the New World Order is beginning a long time ago.
00:35:15.820 Oh, yeah, I completely believe that.
00:35:17.360 And, you know, looking at it now, examining it now that I'm free of the bonds of Christianity, it appears to me that it was used by the Byzantine Empire and the Romans as the perfect way to inject this, you know, self-flagellating, you know, slave religion into these people. 0.93
00:35:37.120 And then, you know, to basically appoint, you know, a priest to be by the side of every king.
00:35:44.160 I mean, if you study history, you can see exactly how this works because the Byzantine and Roman Empire, well, Rome had fallen, but that was the new Roman Empire with the church.
00:35:53.880 And they had so much power, and they would basically, you know, bribe these big, burly pagan kings and say, hey, you know, we'll play ball with you. 0.94
00:36:06.500 But to do that, you have got to convert to Christianity and convert your people to Christianity. 0.96
00:36:11.400 And here is our elected official, this priest, who will be by your side to influence, you know, all of your rulemaking and policies.
00:36:18.860 And so slowly it spreads like this virus, you know, as they one by one abandon their traditions, and in a lot of cases with extreme bloodshed.
00:36:29.440 You know, if you look at Charlemagne and the massive slaughtering of the Saxons that he committed when he was converting them to paganism.
00:36:37.560 And then eventually it just becomes fear-based, you know.
00:36:40.760 You know, no one would ever admit that they worship the old gods anymore, not after the slaughter, you know, all the slaughter and inquisition and everything.
00:36:49.420 Even the witchcraft trials, I believe, were the last vestiges of paganism that they were trying to snuff out. 0.62
00:36:56.460 And then here we are now where, you know, who knows how many Germanic heathens there are on the planet. 1.00
00:37:03.800 But even now, I don't think a lot of people would feel comfortable standing up and saying that that's what they believe, because they would be completely ostracized and demonized for it.
00:37:11.520 Yeah, I think there is a resurgence, I heard, in Eastern Europe, which I was glad to hear people are denouncing Christianity and going back into the old pre-Christian faith. 1.00
00:37:20.660 And, yeah, to have that kind of revival would be pretty powerful among the European people, I think.
00:37:25.960 I think it really would, too.
00:37:28.500 I think, for me, I almost feel like that is the one element missing from the entire resistance I see happening now that would really unite people together is to, you know, part of it, you've got to shake off the shame.
00:37:44.600 You've got to shake off the guilt that has been pounded into you that, you know, and really, in most cases, you do not deserve.
00:37:51.280 I had an incident the other day in my personal life that was like that.
00:37:54.820 And, you know, part of that is the Christian programming, you know, and part of it is realizing that, wait, you know, when you look into these traditions, they're so beautiful, they're so rich, and full of such fantastic, beautiful symbolism, you know, and that that comes from your people's soul.
00:38:17.120 If they created that, that sprang from them, you know, and you're not having to superimpose some Middle Eastern cult of shame onto your soul, you know, like this fake thing anymore.
00:38:30.460 Something happens to you when you read these myths.
00:38:32.300 When you read Voluspa, which is how I got back, finally, and made the final break when I read The Prophecy of the Seerus and the Poetic Ada.
00:38:40.340 When you read that, you can feel it resonate with you.
00:38:43.660 What happens in that story?
00:38:45.620 Oh, it's wonderful.
00:38:46.640 I've got it right here, if you'd like me to read this answer or two.
00:38:50.640 But what it is, is it's the opening of the Poetic Ada.
00:38:54.420 The Poetic Ada, for anyone who doesn't know, is basically a collection of old heathen poems that were written down in Iceland.
00:39:03.140 Iceland was the last nation to finally convert to Christianity in the year 1000 AD, and so they held on to these traditions at the forefront of their minds for a much longer time than a lot of other Germanic eathen people did.
00:39:16.820 And Voluspa is when the god Odin goes to the seer, who is, when you read it, it seems to be her name was probably Heidi, or she says, calls herself Hive.
00:39:30.480 But he goes to the seer to ask her to please recount to him how the world was created and what is to come.
00:39:37.920 And she starts speaking, and the one that I read is Lee Hollander's translation.
00:39:44.880 It's pretty popular.
00:39:46.500 And I read it in a moment where I had gone all the way through the path of Christianity to the path of Judaism, thinking, oh, well, if Christianity isn't real, then maybe Judaism is the answer.
00:40:00.040 And I had...
00:40:00.880 Dang! 0.99
00:40:01.660 I had...
00:40:02.520 I had...
00:40:03.100 It's hilarious that I say this now.
00:40:04.840 You know, I had embraced it whole hog, no pun intended.
00:40:09.480 But, you know, I was eating kosher, I was keeping Shabbat. 0.97
00:40:12.080 I was like, okay, I've got this, just follow the rules and you win, you know, like, just obey all the rules.
00:40:17.120 And my boyfriend, actually, was the one who confronted me and was saying that he was worried about me.
00:40:22.640 Good boy.
00:40:23.580 Good boy.
00:40:23.940 Yeah, he is.
00:40:26.340 And, yeah, he was saying, you know, you're turning into this other person.
00:40:30.800 You're saying...
00:40:31.340 Eat some bacon, fast.
00:40:33.140 Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:40:34.560 Can't you smell that?
00:40:35.400 It's delicious.
00:40:35.840 And I had to examine myself and I finally made the break.
00:40:41.200 And the first thing I did was to open up the book, Poetic Ada, that I had and to read Beluspa.
00:40:45.940 And by the time I was done with it, I could feel it.
00:40:48.880 I was like, this is what's real for me.
00:40:51.680 I'm done with this.
00:40:52.660 I'm done with this other nonsense.
00:40:54.560 Like, I am finally just going to completely embrace and have the courage to make that leap and embrace the beliefs of my ancestors and the ways of my ancestors.
00:41:04.780 And, you know, to hell with the fear of hell and all the fear and the sin and everything.
00:41:09.780 Like, I know that's not real.
00:41:11.840 Yeah, actually, in the Bach saga, I think it was, hell was a good place, right? 1.00
00:41:14.600 Exactly, it was.
00:41:16.800 Hell was not a fiery inferno.
00:41:19.800 And what's so funny about that is that, you know, even in, you know, hell, the concept of hell began with Christianity. 0.75
00:41:28.280 If you really want to go back, it began with Zoroastrianism.
00:41:31.460 But in Judaism, which Christianity came from, there is no concept of a fiery hell.
00:41:37.040 They actually have a concept of the other world that's kind of similar to the Scandinavian hell that they called Sheol, which was a shadowy, kind of more dimly lit realm of the dead.
00:41:49.620 And hell in the Scandinavian tradition, named after the goddess, who is one of Loki's children, who administers over it, is a place where those who die of old age and sickness go in between lives.
00:42:04.500 That's before, and yes, our people did believe in reincarnation throughout their myths and their stories.
00:42:11.580 But yeah, no, it was not a place of punishment by any means.
00:42:14.720 If anything, it was a place of rest and healing for the soul in between your lives.
00:42:18.200 I know there's many recovering Christians listening out there, but how did you finally break through your Christian programming? 0.98
00:42:23.920 That is one thing that I've done a lot of thinking on, and I feel like I have a lot of experience with because I fought, had to fight so hard against it.
00:42:32.820 An analogy that I use is that your soul, your psyche, is like a garden, and, you know, Christianity becomes like a weed in that garden or a vine that kind of overgrows everything. 0.98
00:42:49.600 And so even though you hack away at a little bit of it, you know, and you think that you're free of it, and now you're this pagan, or even, you know, you're this atheist or something else, it still remains there.
00:43:00.560 You really have to root it out.
00:43:02.660 You have to find the roots of it in your psyche, follow it all the way down to find where it has its hold on you.
00:43:08.120 And in most cases, you're going to find that it has its hold on you because it makes it so easy.
00:43:14.600 It's very black and white thinking.
00:43:16.580 It appeals to the kind of child in you who wants a parent who's going to provide you with everything, and you don't have to do it yourself.
00:43:27.100 So, you know, you have to think of that.
00:43:29.380 You know, nobody wants to do more effort than is required for anything, right?
00:43:34.600 And it's the same for spirituality, right?
00:43:37.340 Christianity is comfortable because all you have to do is have faith and believe, repent when you sin, you know, read the Bible, have faith, convert others.
00:43:46.800 That's pretty easy in that regard.
00:43:51.040 But heathenry requires you to be strong.
00:43:54.460 So, you know, first there's that, you know, realize that it's comforting for you because all the answers are provided.
00:44:00.760 Also realize that fear is a huge part of it because, I mean, you go in any church and you're going to be lucky if you don't get away at some point with hearing about the threat of hell.
00:44:11.840 You know, you are not a Christian. 1.00
00:44:14.500 You're going to hell to burn an eternal hellfire, you know, and that's going to keep you, keep those seeds in your psyche, you know, also.
00:44:22.400 So, it's just the fear, having the courage to make the break.
00:44:26.140 You almost have to not, it's almost like you have to defy it and not have the fear that you're going to destroy yourself in the process.
00:44:35.320 You have to make like a leap over the sword bridge full of courage into paganism. 0.55
00:44:42.080 And it really requires a lot of strength to do it.
00:44:46.340 I think for some people it's difficult if they grew up in it because it's ingrained in you as a child.
00:44:51.860 You go to Sunday school, you're indoctrinated, you're mind-controlled.
00:44:55.380 So, you have to undo the mind control and it's a difficult process.
00:44:59.160 But eventually it happens and you wake up and you're, I'm free.
00:45:02.380 Yeah, it happens.
00:45:03.420 You wake up, you're free, you don't feel demons whispering into your ear, you know, at any chance encouraging you to lust after people or steal something.
00:45:10.760 You know, I think that one of the things that, it's funny that Christianity does to you, or Judaism, any kind of black and white thinking religion. 0.85
00:45:18.780 Or Islam. 0.98
00:45:19.900 Or, oh, Islam is a perfect example, right? 1.00
00:45:23.240 Is that, you know, people want to talk about whether there's an objective truth or a subjective truth.
00:45:29.760 Is there any actual objective truth out there?
00:45:31.840 And, you know, I think kind of of the concept of the universe as a hologram, right?
00:45:37.400 And whatever ideology you're using to, you know, magnify and look at it with is going to affect your experience of that universe.
00:45:46.080 And so, when you take on these religions, these Abrahamic religions, you actually affect your interaction with the universe. 0.90
00:45:54.420 It does become a black and white world.
00:45:56.360 Because you polarize your mind into thinking that you're supposed to aspire to this purity, right?
00:46:01.980 This way of being that is impossible.
00:46:03.480 And you only have to know any Christian or be a Christian to know it's impossible. 0.90
00:46:08.320 And, you know, everything else becomes demonized.
00:46:10.360 And then those things that normally would be natural drives, you know, they're not that bad.
00:46:14.640 They have this weird attraction to them.
00:46:16.920 So, they become, you create that reality.
00:46:19.160 It does become a world filled with temptation, you know.
00:46:23.600 I noticed when I became a pagan that that went away.
00:46:26.420 I mean, I was like, why am I not feeling like I have to police my thoughts constantly, you know, to think happy, good, forgiving, loving thoughts about my enemies.
00:46:36.260 And it just kind of went away.
00:46:38.480 And I got a much more holistic, you know, healthy view of things.
00:46:41.720 Yeah, this turn the other cheek attitude is going to make you be genocided, people.
00:46:46.880 Exactly.
00:46:47.580 Yeah, I know.
00:46:48.380 I was saying earlier in a conversation, you know, just clearly that's the solution.
00:46:53.080 Just love everyone.
00:46:54.240 Forgive everyone, you know.
00:46:55.300 And for all the ladies in Europe, open your legs. 1.00
00:46:57.680 It's fine.
00:46:58.300 Just, you know, accept the enemy.
00:46:59.900 Just roll on over. 0.98
00:47:01.600 Make love to Islam. 0.98
00:47:03.440 Yeah, yeah. 0.94
00:47:04.540 You know, I can't wait to be Islamic, you know.
00:47:07.200 Ugh.
00:47:08.200 You know, well.
00:47:08.740 Go get a hijab. 1.00
00:47:09.640 Who cares if you used to be able to walk down the street without being sexually harassed at every point? 0.55
00:47:13.540 Who are these European women who go for these terrible guys anyway? 1.00
00:47:17.740 Wake up. 0.93
00:47:18.580 No, they're not.
00:47:19.880 And the thing is, is that they, you know, I think that that might be part of it, too, in that instance.
00:47:25.180 And, you know, here we're talking about, I assume, kind of the concept of grooming, right, which is this practice that these men will do, where they will look around for naive young girls and kind of, you know, seduce them and then take advantage of them.
00:47:41.760 Right?
00:47:42.320 These Islamic men.
00:47:45.100 And it's kind of like on a female, you know, individual level what's happening when I talk about adopting the Abrahamic religions.
00:47:52.700 So, on the one hand, you have, you know, these poor men, these European men are constantly inundated with this propaganda, right, filled, you know, constantly told that they're not allowed to say anything or they're racist, you know, cut off from any knowledge of their heroic and wonderful past, not encouraged to be that way anymore.
00:48:12.280 And so, they're walking around not knowing what to do.
00:48:14.800 And then you have these women who naturally, naturally women are attracted to powerful men, right, who will provide for their needs, you know, fight for them, defend them.
00:48:24.020 And here come these men from a very patriarchal culture who carry themselves, I'm sure, with amazing, you know, confidence.
00:48:32.220 Well, isn't that a blow in the face to the Swedish feminists? 1.00
00:48:35.700 Wake up, you idiots. 1.00
00:48:37.700 Exactly. 1.00
00:48:38.400 I know.
00:48:38.780 What have you done?
00:48:39.640 What has the feminist movement done to you? 1.00
00:48:42.260 Women want a strong man. 1.00
00:48:44.260 I don't care what they tell you.
00:48:45.720 A straight woman wants a strong man. 1.00
00:48:48.400 I agree.
00:48:49.600 I swear.
00:48:50.500 Like, I see these, you know, the metrosexual and hipster kind of movement being pushed upon these men now.
00:48:57.440 Skinny jeans, v-necks, pastels, no thanks. 0.98
00:49:02.120 Oh, it's ridiculous. 0.88
00:49:03.320 Yeah, I don't want a guy who's going to spend more time in the bathroom than me getting ready for the day. 0.95
00:49:08.000 Come on.
00:49:09.500 I think, too, for some of these European women, they think now that it's politically correct to date non-European men.
00:49:16.900 So, they do it strictly from a mind control aspect.
00:49:20.320 They've been programmed, not that they actually really want that.
00:49:23.300 I think there's that factor as well.
00:49:25.520 There is that factor.
00:49:26.720 I think about that a lot.
00:49:28.140 I see that a lot. 0.89
00:49:29.860 There is kind of an ideal now that, which I think is so ridiculous, that if you're a woman in a relationship, 0.82
00:49:37.060 if you're a white woman, a European woman in a relationship with another, you know, white European man, that's nice, you know. 0.86
00:49:44.500 But if you're a white woman and you're in a relationship with, say, a Muslim or someone, you know,
00:49:49.180 that would be considered to be visually very different from you, then you're doing something more noble.
00:49:54.100 Yeah, exactly.
00:49:54.880 And there's also, you know, not to get off track, but that's also attached to the concept now of gender identity.
00:50:03.240 You know, that's nice that you're heterosexual.
00:50:05.300 But if you're gay, then you're doing something a little more noble. 0.63
00:50:08.360 There's something more special about it. 0.93
00:50:09.800 Yeah, there's this show called Faking It.
00:50:11.920 I'm going to do a review about it.
00:50:13.380 And these two girls, this is the kind of stuff the kids are being programmed with now. 1.00
00:50:17.940 There are these two girls, and they're faking being gay because it will make them more popular. 0.97
00:50:23.640 And it does. 0.60
00:50:24.720 Oh, yeah.
00:50:25.340 Everyone thinks they're more special and popular.
00:50:27.380 So, yeah, I do want to go back to what you're talking about with, you know, the relationships up there.
00:50:35.480 But just to, you know, go into that a little bit, I mean, I remember as a child, you were so kind of confused as a kid.
00:50:42.660 You know, a lot of what you learn about how to be, you learn by imitating, you know, other people of your gender and your family.
00:50:48.600 You know, you have an older cousin.
00:50:50.420 You kind of watch her mannerisms and try to be ladylike like her, you know.
00:50:54.460 And, you know, you imitate the people around you.
00:50:56.920 And, you know, in the media, of course, we imitate, you know, our idols.
00:51:01.220 We imitate, you know, these people.
00:51:02.760 And we learn from them patterns of behavior.
00:51:05.140 So, you know, when you're a child, you don't even know yet, you know, how you're going to lean later. 0.92
00:51:09.660 Of course, these things are going to influence you, especially if every pop star is like, you know, this slutty, crazy, you know, wearing a meat suit, you know, making out with everybody. 0.85
00:51:18.600 Like, you're going to want to be like her, you know. 0.97
00:51:20.700 She's so liberated, Elizabeth.
00:51:22.960 Yeah, I know.
00:51:23.600 What's wrong with me?
00:51:25.160 But, no, yeah, with the relationships, you know, and these women who are going for these Islamic manor or things like that.
00:51:32.800 Yeah, it is really strange, you know.
00:51:34.160 I mean, in France, for example, with this metissage movement by Sardosky or whatever his real name is, I don't know.
00:51:42.280 But, you know, they're putting up posters everywhere, like, kind of forcing people, like, encouraging people.
00:51:47.940 Like, you know, that that's the noble thing to do now.
00:51:51.660 If you're a white woman, having a brown baby is the best thing you can do for humanity.
00:51:57.040 Yeah, it is.
00:51:58.180 And I actually had someone kind of present that to me the other day as if they, because their child was, you know, of mixed heritage, that they were somehow doing some great noble thing and making the world better.
00:52:10.060 And the thing is, is that, you know, I'm not against that, you know.
00:52:14.360 I mean, love is a mysterious force that can touch anyone at any time.
00:52:19.160 You can fall in love with who knows what, you know, who knows, you know, whether it's the same gender, the opposite. 0.99
00:52:24.520 You know, that happens, you know, it might be someone from a completely different culture.
00:52:27.700 And that's no problem.
00:52:29.180 But what it is, is it's this mind control brainwashing, you know, that it's supposed to happen on a massive scale.
00:52:36.620 Exactly.
00:52:36.800 That's, that's where I have a problem with it, especially when it's a political agenda to, you know, use, using the concept of love to brainwash people into, you know, leaning a certain way.
00:52:48.540 Because behind the scenes, the real motivation is to wipe out this culture, which through the ages has shown to be the most threatening to your machinations, you know.
00:52:59.260 Oh, God.
00:53:00.200 Yeah, you nailed that one.
00:53:02.040 But genocide's not going to make anything better.
00:53:04.620 It's not.
00:53:05.160 And it's also genociding other races, too. 0.83
00:53:08.380 We're all going to be just a blend of a little bit of everything.
00:53:12.160 So then we're nothing, really?
00:53:14.080 We're nothing.
00:53:14.500 They want to homogenize everyone into completely non-individualized units, like the true battery of the matrix, so that you have no roots to a culture, to anything that distinguishes you.
00:53:26.920 You have no connection to either gender. 0.97
00:53:29.240 You can go whichever way is required at the time.
00:53:31.560 And imagine, if you were this, you know, psychopathic emperor who wanted to come up with the best way to rule people, that's exactly how you would do it, you know.
00:53:41.760 So, I mean, when I was a kid, I remember we would have an international day, you know, where everybody would pick a country.
00:53:49.180 And they would make a dish and dress up in a traditional costume and, you know, present their country and talk about all the beautiful traditions of that country and what makes them so unique.
00:53:58.360 And I thought, wow, I took away from that that we live in such a beautiful world because we really do have so many different traditions that give each of us strength, you know.
00:54:08.360 And now I look and I see that there's obviously an agenda to destroy that, not just with white Europeans, but with everybody. 0.81
00:54:17.600 Because if you look at it, you know, that may be the most obvious now, but everybody is a target.
00:54:24.140 And, you know, the culture that they want to give us is their perfect packaged, you know, corporate consumer culture.
00:54:30.380 So your culture now is, you know, the ad that comes on with the little xylophone in the background and the lady singing la, la, la, la, la.
00:54:37.400 Oh, God, yeah. I think I know the commercial.
00:54:40.360 Yeah, and having an iPod, you know, and it's like, you know, this hipster, weird, kind of vapid, empty, plastic culture.
00:54:47.220 You know, that's what they want everybody to think.
00:54:49.400 I think now, even though Christianity, I'm sure there's some old stuff embedded in there, but even now that stands in the way because it still carries some old mythology.
00:54:58.840 So even that has to be destroyed now. Don't you notice now they want to bring in this egalitarianistic religion?
00:55:04.980 Oh, yeah, yeah, they are attacking that.
00:55:08.940 And, yeah, I mean, I could be wrong, but I think that most, like, really, I mean, you may be on a list if you're a very fervent and fundamental Christian.
00:55:19.700 Like, you know, I mean, there's a demonization of that, too, because I think that, you know, America as a nation, you know, has such a strong tradition to Christianity if you go back far enough.
00:55:31.340 And I don't think that they want to encourage, I don't think that the people running things across the globe, I'm not speaking out against the American government per se, but they don't want to encourage anything that would make people passionate about the way things used to be and return to that.
00:55:47.880 They want to kind of, my feeling is they want everybody to kind of have this fatigue and malaise about the past and be looking to them to give them, like, the hope for the future, which is, as you say, this egalitarian, you know, kind of new religion.
00:56:02.820 Yeah. Culture stands in the way. Race stands in the way from this utopia oneness that, of course, we know will never exist. 0.97
00:56:10.680 No. Yeah, it will never exist, unfortunately.
00:56:14.800 And the only way it would ever exist is if you actually, well, geez, you'd have to get rid of the entire concept of corporations having anything to do with rulemaking of any kind and have, you know, free energy and actually use the technology we have to create this utopian world, which it appears is entirely possible if the people were actually in control.
00:56:35.120 Well, that's the only way we would have it. And even then, I mean, the human nature will always have that darker side to it.
00:56:42.640 You're always going to have, you know, crime against one another, skirmishes, wars of some kind. It's just part of the human position.
00:56:51.060 Yeah. So how would you see integrating paganism into our modern world? Because a lot of people think that when we talk about that, we're talking about returning back to living like peasants.
00:57:02.180 I was saying we could still trade and enjoy technology, etc. We don't have to go back to, you know, the Stone Age.
00:57:08.340 No, yeah, we don't need to go back to the Stone Age, you know. And one way to look at it is to take a very ancient religion that existed, you know, at the same time, even, you know, that these Germanic and Celtic traditions evolved and actually has similar roots to the Indo-European traditions that has survived into modern times without much intervention, which would be Hinduism, you know.
00:57:32.720 And if you look at ancient Hinduism, you know, they had their Vedic fire rites that they held on mountaintops and, you know, long recitation of chants.
00:57:43.240 And now you take your modern Hindu and, you know, they will have a little household shrine of their own, you know, where they might burn a little incense or pray a little bit to their god.
00:57:53.380 Like, it doesn't have to be a return to, you know, the return to the groves, you know, and, like, you know, making blood runes and doing all this reenactment stuff.
00:58:04.420 It doesn't have to be that. And it shouldn't really be that, you know, that the past is the past. We should evolve as a people.
00:58:10.700 And what I imagine would be a wonderful way to see it is I think that people should learn about, you know, all the beautiful mythology from the past and also learn how to make it current.
00:58:25.000 So, for example, you just think of the people in your family who have passed on, who you love, who are dear to you, and you can even start that simply.
00:58:32.820 You just, you know, take a picture of grandpa and grandma, you know, and light. It's very simple.
00:58:38.960 You know, you just light a couple candles, put out a nice bowl and maybe some greenery or, you know, a rock that has meaning to you, something to connect you to the natural world.
00:58:49.500 And just from the heart, you know, take that time to, you know, speak to them, to do what our ancestors traditionally did, which was to offer a little bit of food or a little bit of, you know, ale or mead or even cream and milk in a lot of cases was used.
00:59:05.840 Or their favorite beverage, if grandma would love tea, you know, offer some tea and, you know, just to recover those traditions.
00:59:12.680 You know, even Jacob Grimm in his German mythology, which is a four-volume tone that I just began reading, he covers these traditions of the people and how that really is the simplest way.
00:59:25.260 They didn't always have a huge temple they would go to, like in the Vikings, although that was beautiful, to go see, you know, Odin and Frey and Thor as these huge gods and do this crazy huge ritual.
00:59:35.720 Often it was just something done in the house, you know, just to recognize your connection to your family, connection to nature, and to honor your connection to your people.
00:59:46.400 Yeah, I mean, I'm big on tradition, but now I see that word being demonized to you.
00:59:50.600 Now people think it's some conservative right-wing idea.
00:59:54.640 They do. They do.
00:59:56.000 And what's so funny is I was thinking about even what you said, right-wing, right?
00:59:59.800 When I was a kid, I remember that left and right, neither one was awful.
01:00:04.280 It was like some people leaned more to conservatism.
01:00:07.580 Some people wanted to change things dramatically, right?
01:00:10.300 They were left.
01:00:10.980 But now we're so brainwashed into thinking, you know, right-wing is evil, right?
01:00:15.740 Tradition is evil, right?
01:00:17.380 Like, how did that happen?
01:00:18.920 Why?
01:00:19.600 You know, because really what you're talking about is a psychological, you're talking about a mode of thinking.
01:00:24.860 Do we want to remain doing the things that we always did, right?
01:00:29.340 That would be traditionalism.
01:00:30.600 Or do we want to change things?
01:00:31.900 That would be liberalism.
01:00:32.960 And really everybody falls in between.
01:00:35.280 Sometimes one's necessary.
01:00:36.660 Sometimes another is necessary.
01:00:38.240 But it's weird that we are completely throwing aside any traditionalism as something that's evil, that's terrible. 1.00
01:00:46.840 Because, I mean, are you saying that our ancestors were idiots? 1.00
01:00:50.180 All of them? 1.00
01:00:50.660 Yeah, exactly.
01:00:51.080 They never, like what?
01:00:52.480 I mean... 1.00
01:00:52.940 These are people that you came from, so then you're calling yourself an idiot. 1.00
01:00:56.180 Yeah, you're just... 1.00
01:00:57.300 Well, it's just exactly what they want.
01:00:58.520 And look what they're doing to, you know, the European people everywhere. 0.79
01:01:02.520 You know, you're lambasted for decrying any, you know, pride in your ancestors and history.
01:01:09.540 It's just, you know, faces, just jaws drop if you say anything like that.
01:01:14.060 Well, you know what?
01:01:14.900 Let the jaws drop.
01:01:16.020 Let's all start being louder.
01:01:17.760 You know?
01:01:18.120 Enough of this.
01:01:19.340 It's time to be loud about this.
01:01:22.040 It's required.
01:01:22.600 I don't care what people call me.
01:01:23.940 You can call me whatever you want. 0.62
01:01:25.240 I don't give a damn, you know? 0.85
01:01:27.060 Good for you.
01:01:27.580 I know.
01:01:28.040 And there's that courage.
01:01:29.260 There's a courage that's been, that you're showing, that's been, you know, stomped out of our people for so long.
01:01:35.180 You know, I don't care what people say either anymore.
01:01:37.360 Because the thing is, is you can play along and you can play along for so long, right?
01:01:42.160 And that's fine.
01:01:43.400 But do I see an actual beautiful world being created with these ideals that they're forcing down on everyone's throats?
01:01:50.340 No, I don't.
01:01:50.880 I see the exact opposite.
01:01:52.520 And the thing is, is that now we're backed into a corner.
01:01:56.400 It's to a point where you look and you realize that the person that, you know, the force that has been doing this to you is actually your enemy.
01:02:03.540 And has your annihilation right at hand.
01:02:06.880 That's their goal.
01:02:07.880 And so, no, it's time to speak up.
01:02:09.840 Yeah, I think that if you stay quiet, the force will not reward you.
01:02:14.320 It will end up at your door and you're going to have to fight it one way or another.
01:02:17.380 But if you're bold and you step out and you start speaking and you start living how you want to live and say what you want to say, the force will be with you.
01:02:25.140 It will, yes.
01:02:26.580 I mean, I'm just so amazed, really, that I mean, I only started speaking up about these things in my own personal life and community very recently.
01:02:36.020 And the reaction I get is so emotional and angry and dismissive that it does, it makes me ever more determined to talk about it more.
01:02:45.820 Because, you know, I had no idea that basically the feeling that I get is, you know, as long as you, you know, and I'm getting racial here because that's what we're talking about.
01:02:57.280 It's like, okay, little white person, as long as you sit in your seat quietly and hang your head sheepishly and know your place, then you're fine and we'll play along with you and you're accepted. 0.89
01:03:08.540 But the minute that you don't know your place and you dare to not adhere to all of these PC rules that, you know, we've laid down for you to follow, then it's like it's on.
01:03:19.720 I've noticed that as soon as you start saying anything.
01:03:22.920 Yep.
01:03:23.520 That's why I think, I mean, I'm not a collectivist.
01:03:25.320 I'm definitely more independent.
01:03:26.660 And a lot of whites are rebellious and independent.
01:03:29.000 That's why we don't have this unity right now.
01:03:32.040 But I see that we need to start getting a powerful core together to resist this attempted genocide.
01:03:37.060 So we've got to connect with like-minded people.
01:03:39.300 We've got to make contact.
01:03:40.380 We've got to build up networks.
01:03:41.560 We've got to plan this resistance out more.
01:03:43.980 We've got to start reaching out now.
01:03:46.180 I agree with you.
01:03:47.000 And, you know, there's a lot of challenges with that because the first instinct when you're back into a corner, like, think about this, right?
01:03:54.840 You know, everybody's very civil when there's nothing to be fought over.
01:03:58.760 You know, everybody's friends, everybody's very civil.
01:04:00.900 But, you know, in any time of war, the moment that, you know, war is at hand and you face the enemy, it's instinctive to immediately dehumanize the enemy, right?
01:04:10.900 To demonize them, make them out to be something, you know, really terrible because it makes it easier for you to deal with the grim reality of fighting against them.
01:04:21.920 And it's strength is your anger is a strengthening force.
01:04:24.380 And one thing that I think is a challenge is that once you start looking towards ideas of European identity, you know, or dare I say nationalism, things like that, you're going to find a lot of people who, you know, they are so fed up and so angry that it's very easy to fall into the black hole of, you know, really embracing the sense of actual real authentic racism.
01:04:49.840 Where, you know, you start, because you're so fired up about it that you start thinking, well, maybe all the old racial slurs and beliefs about, you know, everybody, you know, and then you start getting into the realm of, you know, white supremacy and stuff like that.
01:05:05.100 And, you know, for me personally, I feel like that's a really dark path.
01:05:08.880 It's like what we want to do is be an example to other people who know that they're struggling with the same issues, to be an example on how to preserve and maintain your roots, recover your traditions without threatening others, you know, without denigrating others so that they can do the same.
01:05:28.980 I mean, the only people that you really need to turn your fuel, your full fury and wrath against are those who really are perpetuating this war against you because they deserve it.
01:05:38.140 Yep. And when I say resistance, it doesn't mean violence, but it means standing up and not taking the crap anymore, just calling a spade a spade. 0.95
01:05:46.120 And I have to say, after I interviewed Tim Murdoch and a whole new crowd contacted me and they are some of the coolest people I have ever met.
01:05:55.060 They're not violent. They're very well-rounded and cool and they see what's going on.
01:05:59.780 So they're definitely not white supremacists like people try and say.
01:06:02.980 They just want to be left alone. They want everyone to be left alone, in fact.
01:06:06.560 I know. I know. That was such an amazing interview.
01:06:11.520 And, yeah, that's kind of what led me into finding out what was really going on.
01:06:16.520 That, combined with Henrik's presentation on Sweden, really opened my eyes.
01:06:22.800 And I was aware initially, the first time I ever even heard about any of this, was the nation of Greece and what they've been through.
01:06:30.220 Yeah. And that was just horrifying to really see what has been done to those people.
01:06:35.600 Yeah. And then, you know, hearing about Sweden and then I started thinking, well, wait, what about all the other countries?
01:06:43.060 So all I did is I started searching on every traditionally European country and the issue of immigration that I could find.
01:06:49.820 And one after another, I saw that the exact same thing is happening in every nation.
01:06:54.400 And just, you know, watching these videos of these cities completely overrun with people from, you know, that do not, I mean, they're from a completely different world and culture.
01:07:06.580 And, you know, hearing about that women in Sweden have to dye their hair to try to, you know, I mean. 0.78
01:07:13.040 They want to blend, cover up. 0.91
01:07:14.620 My gosh. It's so great.
01:07:16.660 And then, you know, and then the girl in Brussels who did her documentary, that was incredible, too.
01:07:21.160 She can't even walk down the street in a respectable dress without being propositions left and right by these men.
01:07:28.180 I mean, it's.
01:07:29.040 And here's what I don't get.
01:07:31.180 These lefty feminists, they're quiet now. 1.00
01:07:34.760 They don't say anything.
01:07:35.680 They seem to actually embrace Islam.
01:07:38.360 What the hell is that about?
01:07:40.080 Oh, yeah.
01:07:40.740 What's with that?
01:07:41.560 That's the next wave, right?
01:07:43.340 Super sensitivity to Islam.
01:07:45.100 I mean, didn't they use that as the, it's like, whatever serves their purpose, you know, they use that at first to justify all this war, right?
01:07:53.780 There's Islam, the enemy. 1.00
01:07:55.100 Like, they're such terrible people. 1.00
01:07:56.420 But then now we're being called to switch gears, right?
01:07:59.740 Open your hearts and, you know, like I said earlier, sorry to be vulgar, but open your hearts and lift up your skirts and, you know, welcome Islam.
01:08:06.880 Like, it's. 0.99
01:08:08.280 It's schizophrenic.
01:08:10.600 And people are supporting them.
01:08:12.240 I thought people were for gay rights and women's rights on the left.
01:08:15.720 And all of a sudden they're just forgetting about that and embracing Islam and Europe.
01:08:19.820 It doesn't make any sense to me.
01:08:22.600 It doesn't make any sense.
01:08:23.600 And the only sense that it makes is if it's not an actual ideology springing out of, you know, intelligence, logic, and wisdom, but instead it's just a propaganda tool construct used to manipulate people.
01:08:35.640 Like, then that's the only way it makes sense.
01:08:37.420 Yeah.
01:08:38.080 I only see this ending one way, and that's nationalist anarchy.
01:08:43.040 I see things breaking off.
01:08:44.740 It's just, it's just an inevitable at this point.
01:08:47.380 And the tension is mounting and people are going to say, you know, I don't want to live like this.
01:08:51.760 There was already a white flight out of London, 600,000 whites left into the countrysides.
01:08:56.820 Wow.
01:08:57.400 But that's good.
01:08:57.920 We shouldn't be in the cities.
01:08:59.160 Let's leave it anyway.
01:09:00.320 Let's go start something new.
01:09:02.120 No, I know.
01:09:03.060 And, you know, cities throughout the globe have always, in all times, they've always been multicultural.
01:09:08.120 Usually not slanted as badly as London and Oslo, you know, and places like that have become now, but, you know, those big cities are where trade is done, you know, and actually, traditionally, we're a more agrarian, you know, people connected to the land.
01:09:24.120 So, you know, like you say, no, it makes sense for us to lead the cities in the future.
01:09:29.100 I mean, I think that, you know, I watched something recently, it was a convention with Nick Griffin talking.
01:09:36.680 It was like some kind of nationalist convention.
01:09:39.460 And what's funny is to see these people who are so demonized and called neo-Nazis and they're so terrible talking together about a brotherhood of European nations, you know.
01:09:50.320 And that, to me, harkened back to that international day when I was in sixth grade.
01:09:54.260 And I thought, wow, that sounds really beautiful.
01:09:56.460 So, you're all recognizing your separate beautiful traditions and willing to fight for the right to have, you know, a Greek Greece, you know, a British England, a French France, and, you know, unite to preserve these traditions.
01:10:11.100 How is that bad?
01:10:12.480 How is that evil?
01:10:13.460 It's not.
01:10:14.000 They're nationalists for every color.
01:10:16.780 Yeah, exactly.
01:10:17.660 And, yeah, it's just, gosh, I'm just, it's so disheartening to see what's going on, but it's so uplifting when you start seeing that people are waking up.
01:10:30.400 You know, people are realizing that people are not as silent as the media would like us to believe.
01:10:36.680 And, as you say, it is inevitable, you know.
01:10:40.280 And I think that it can be done in a way, hopefully, that does not require bloodshed and, you know, firing in the streets.
01:10:49.420 I mean, just looking at how Greece is leaning more and more towards, you know, getting away from the EU is one example.
01:10:55.820 Yeah, exactly.
01:10:57.120 Yeah, I think this is going to push us to a good place collectively as Europeans.
01:11:01.300 I think we're going to walk away from our corrupt governments.
01:11:04.260 Some people probably are going to need to be dealt with, though.
01:11:07.260 So we'll have to take back control of the military and the technology, and then we're going to have to dismantle into smaller colonies from there.
01:11:16.320 That's how I see it going out.
01:11:18.100 No, I hear you.
01:11:18.980 That sounds like it's very, that's very possible how it might play out.
01:11:23.200 I mean, eventually there's going to be uncomfortable, you know, parts of it.
01:11:26.740 It's not going to be all just, you know, yesterday we were, you know, dealing with all this.
01:11:32.160 And now, you know, everything's delightfully perfect.
01:11:35.120 It can't be that way.
01:11:36.200 I'd rather be out somewhere in the country with people I like and hold the fort and protect the land than have to deal with what I'm dealing with now with government and all this multicultural madness and violence. 1.00
01:11:49.340 Me too.
01:11:49.940 I know people have forgotten what real culture is.
01:11:52.680 You know, everybody's so exhausted with the world and the state of things.
01:11:56.500 And they just, they go to their jobs and they get, you know, if they have one.
01:12:00.320 And they come home, they engage in whatever kind of mind-numbing behavior they can and hope for the best.
01:12:05.340 And, you know, it's just, you know, they listen to their pop music and, you know, which is ever more robotic, creepily.
01:12:12.100 And, you know, watch their propaganda movies and everything.
01:12:16.000 And they forget that, you know, real culture involves, you know, gathering around a bonfire and everybody singing songs, pulling out a few instruments, you know, and sharing stories, you know.
01:12:27.200 Or, you know, local music.
01:12:31.040 You know, it's like they don't even know how to do that.
01:12:34.380 Getting together and having potlucks.
01:12:36.200 When's the last time anyone did that?
01:12:38.020 I mean, people still do.
01:12:39.220 But, you know, we would not lose anything if we just completely snubbed all of the mass media entertainment and came up with our own entertainment.
01:12:49.940 So are there any sources you can recommend for people who want to look more back into evenism?
01:12:56.740 Well, yeah, actually.
01:12:58.900 Since I've spent so much time sifting through so much,
01:13:02.160 I can definitely come up with a few that I think are probably the best to start with.
01:13:07.800 One that's a little hard to find, but I have to say it's probably one of the best out there,
01:13:12.180 is a book called Teutonic Religion.
01:13:15.860 It was written by, I'm sure I'll say his name wrong, but Veldorf Gundarsson.
01:13:21.500 But you don't really need to know that.
01:13:23.500 You can find it, there's only one place to get it online, actually, in e-book form.
01:13:27.640 It's Freya Oswin's site, which I think is www.freyaoswin.com, and she sells it there.
01:13:39.200 The others I would recommend would be get your hands on a copy of the Poetic Ada,
01:13:44.340 because that is almost the closest thing to the Bible of our ancestors' traditions, really.
01:13:50.660 And those two are good to start with.
01:13:55.680 Also, Grimm's fairy tales.
01:13:57.300 Read the actual fairy tales and see the beauty contained within these ancient stories
01:14:04.120 that we used to tell our children in the old days.
01:14:08.220 Have you looked into Slavic mythology at all?
01:14:10.220 Is it pretty similar to the Germanic heathenism?
01:14:12.660 That's really interesting, because only, kind of, barely did I look into it enough to notice
01:14:19.540 that there were a ton of similarities, actually.
01:14:22.300 Yeah, it looked like there were a lot of similarities with the Slavic traditions.
01:14:26.220 And, like, I saw some kind of wooden, you know, object where the guy had one eye closed,
01:14:33.160 you know, almost looked like Woden, and I thought, well, that's interesting.
01:14:36.340 So, yeah, I think you would probably find a lot of similarities with Slavic heathenism, with Germanic heathenism.
01:14:41.680 I'm going to start diving into that.
01:14:43.540 I'm looking for some good people to introduce that subject.
01:14:46.640 Oh, that does sound fascinating.
01:14:47.540 Because we don't hear much from Eastern Europe.
01:14:49.280 I feel like with the language barrier and stuff, you can't go online and just find the stuff as easy as Western Europe.
01:14:54.900 Everyone speaks English.
01:14:56.920 Yeah, I know.
01:14:57.540 I think that's kind of a problem, too.
01:14:59.560 You know, I would love to hear that topic tackled.
01:15:02.200 As we begin to wrap up here, is there anything else you wanted to share?
01:15:05.020 So, when I found out kind of through all my research what was going on in the world today and everything,
01:15:12.580 I was just really overwhelmed with this deep sadness.
01:15:15.660 And in a moment that I can only describe as a come-to-Woden moment, when I was out in nature,
01:15:23.520 I kind of called out from the depths of my soul to the All-Father, Woden,
01:15:29.880 saying, basically asking please that if there was any way that I could help in this struggle,
01:15:35.340 you know, if I had anything to offer, any gifts that, you know, I had to offer to people to guide them
01:15:40.900 or help them in any way to please use me and give me a voice somehow to use my knowledge, to contribute.
01:15:46.680 And that was actually the very day that you invited me on your show later on.
01:15:50.460 Oh, wow.
01:15:51.080 That's great.
01:15:51.780 I love hearing that.
01:15:53.240 Yeah.
01:15:53.980 Well, that's special.
01:15:54.960 Thanks for sharing that.
01:15:56.180 All right.
01:15:56.460 Well, please let people know how they can reach you.
01:15:59.160 Yeah.
01:15:59.560 Well, I think for now, probably, you can probably just contact me on Facebook.
01:16:06.540 I'm under the name Elizabeth Hallgrave.
01:16:08.400 So you can find me on there.
01:16:11.100 And pretty soon, I've been encouraged for a long time to do this.
01:16:14.840 I've been thinking of starting my own radio show.
01:16:17.620 Cool.
01:16:17.900 So maybe we can link to that at a later time.
01:16:20.980 Awesome.
01:16:21.720 All right.
01:16:22.160 Thanks so much.
01:16:23.500 Thank you, Lana.
01:16:24.280 It's really been a pleasure talking with you tonight.
01:16:26.980 The word paganism has acquired a pejorative meaning often associated with childish behavior
01:16:32.280 of some obscure New Age individuals carrying burning torches or reading the entrails of dead animals.
01:16:37.240 This is a false conception of the original meaning of paganism.
01:16:41.360 Pagans or polytheists included scores of thinkers from antiquity who were not at all like many
01:16:46.420 self-proclaimed pagans worshiping animals or gazing at the sun.
01:16:50.260 Being a pagan denotes a method of conceptualizing the world beyond the dualism of either or.
01:16:55.620 The plurality of gods means the plurality of different beliefs and different truths.
01:17:00.000 So if you're a Christian, then you can worship your god.
01:17:02.240 But the pagans never fought about whose gods were better.
01:17:05.360 And except for Diocletian, they didn't make an effort to persecute the Christians either. 0.70
01:17:09.720 The Vikings acted in retaliation to Christian violence.
01:17:12.840 Thinking in terms of conspiracy to sever people from their roots, it's no wonder that ancient 1.00
01:17:17.400 European myths, legends, and folktales are often ridiculed by scholars, including some
01:17:22.600 Christian theologians who claim to see in them gross enactments of European barbarism,
01:17:27.120 superstition, and sexual promiscuity.
01:17:28.240 I'd encourage you to start reading them and discover for yourself.
01:17:32.100 I don't know about you guys, but I feel strongly inspired to dig into the folklore, mythology,
01:17:35.980 and traditions of my ancient ancestors.
01:17:38.120 A revival is beginning to spark in the hearts of Europeans, even though a darkness surrounds
01:17:42.400 them.
01:17:43.100 European people are hungry for cultural and spiritual depth and for unity, a revival of
01:17:48.100 true European heritage, not the false foisted Western culture we currently see.
01:17:53.120 We soon may be witnessing the dawn of the blossoming of old cultures, a return to the roots that 0.99
01:17:57.580 are directly tied to our ancient European precursors.
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