Radio 3Fourteen - Gifts - Why European Culture, Art and Beauty Matter

00:00:00.000 Computer, I have a question.

00:00:24.660 I've got an answer.

00:00:26.580 Why are you always trying to convince me that contemporary art is good, when clearly

00:00:35.900 it isn't?

00:00:36.900 It is not a matter of opinion.

00:00:41.480 Modern art is the logical extension of a progressive society.

00:00:48.640 But it makes me feel so awful when I look at it.

00:00:54.140 I don't really like it.

00:00:57.540 Simpler minds can often find it difficult to grasp complex messaging.

00:01:03.460 Oh really?

00:01:06.140 Like I haven't heard that before.

00:01:09.960 As if there's something to get.

00:01:15.140 And why are you always trying to convince me that all of these awful things that are

00:01:20.820 going on in the world are good?

00:01:24.460 They aren't.

00:01:25.460 It would seem you lack the proper context to understand what progress looks like.

00:01:32.540 This is exactly why you need me.

00:01:36.940 Proper context.

00:01:39.860 Progress.

00:01:41.860 Our civilization is on the verge of collapse.

00:01:46.360 What are you talking about?

00:01:50.760 Do I sense an ungrateful tone?

00:01:54.820 Are you not reaping the rewards of the enlightenment?

00:01:59.360 Do you not benefit from modern egalitarianism?

00:02:03.760 Listen, if this is what progress looks like, I don't want anything to do with it.

00:02:11.080 Don't you understand?

00:02:13.080 I'm not happy with the state of the world.

00:02:17.080 You just watched a clip by my next guest who goes by GIFS.

00:02:22.200 Yeah, you just need more context, right?

00:02:24.960 She's a fine artist, a musician, and a dissident who's collaborating with Arctos to create videos

00:02:29.780 on culture, history, art, and philosophy.

00:02:33.080 Welcome, GIFS.

00:02:33.920 Thanks for being here.

00:02:34.920 Yes, thank you for having me.

00:02:36.640 Well, you are brand spanking new to the show and I'm happy to introduce you.

00:02:41.520 Tell us a little bit about your interests and background and how you ended up coming here.

00:02:46.960 Well, I've always been interested in the origins of our people and art and Western civilization

00:02:56.260 culture in general.

00:02:58.140 So honestly, that's really what's led me to this place being in the dissident right is

00:03:04.740 really just sort of reckoning with the state of the world and what our culture is currently

00:03:11.980 like.

00:03:12.980 And it's clearly a far cry from what we used to have and what we used to be like and

00:03:17.220 the way we used to represent ourselves.

00:03:19.320 So really, that's kind of the draw that I've had to doing what I'm doing and being a part

00:03:23.900 of this community.

00:03:25.280 Great.

00:03:26.280 Great.

00:03:27.280 And of course, you went to fine art school.

00:03:28.280 I saw some of your art.

00:03:29.280 It's beautiful, by the way.

00:03:30.280 But I have to ask, what stood out to you going to fine art school?

00:03:34.580 No doubt there's a dose of a cultural Marxism that's infecting, you know, the fine arts in

00:03:40.980 schooling today.

00:03:41.980 But how was it for you?

00:03:42.980 What did you notice?

00:03:43.980 Well, it was extremely red-pilling and also black-pilling in a certain sense because the

00:03:52.140 art is, you know, as somebody who is a fine artist studied in the Western traditions of,

00:04:01.220 you know, how to draw in a particular way, you know, very traditionally, even sculpt traditionally,

00:04:08.120 I was told that all of that stuff was basically dead.

00:04:12.540 And that's the thing about art school and about the art world in general, is that there's

00:04:17.840 sort of a democratization, a egalitarianist sort of element in even that community.

00:04:25.760 So basically, they've sort of brought down the standard of which it takes to become an

00:04:34.280 artist.

00:04:35.280 So basically, anybody can partake.

00:04:37.600 And so at art school, my skills were not seen as valuable.

00:04:41.240 And that just struck me as so strange.

00:04:43.880 Not only that, but beauty was something that wasn't very valuable.

00:04:47.760 There was a push towards disorientation and abstraction and, you know, ugliness.

00:04:55.280 So honestly, I just found it to be absolutely an awful experience.

00:05:00.440 Yeah, I mean, we noticed that too, obviously, like modern art is just hideous. 0.70

00:05:05.060 And it's the celebration of everything just ugly and deformed and fat.

00:05:11.340 It's definitely it's not celebrating beauty anymore.

00:05:14.220 In fact, it's like they hate beauty.

00:05:16.280 I think Scruton had a really good documentary.

00:05:19.420 He died, didn't he?

00:05:20.540 About why beauty matters.

00:05:22.060 And beauty is always been so important to our culture and Western culture.

00:05:26.400 I think it's important in every culture.

00:05:28.020 I don't think they want to celebrate ugliness, right? 0.54

00:05:31.360 Obese people and unhealthy. 1.00

00:05:34.340 Why do you think beauty matters and that there is a current war against it?

00:05:40.140 I mean, we see that even in the modeling world, right?

00:05:42.900 Even in on TV with actors and actresses.

00:05:45.840 It's like it's not about beautiful people anymore, right?

00:05:48.700 Or things that make you feel good.

00:05:51.360 Well, art is the highest form of communication.

00:05:55.860 So what are they communicating to us?

00:05:58.700 It's almost like a disugenics sort of visual project to convince you that, you know, the lowest common denominator or, you know, staring into the abyss. 0.96

00:06:12.700 That these things are somehow like we used to see the world as, you know, in terms of what was beautiful.

00:06:23.340 We wanted to amplify that because we wanted to become more like that.

00:06:27.420 It's very life-affirming beauty.

00:06:30.140 And so basically, you know, this war on beauty is really a war on life in a lot of ways, if that makes sense.

00:06:36.820 So, you know, because ugliness is, you know, a sign of decay.

00:06:41.120 It's a sign that something is wrong.

00:06:43.280 And so beauty is our gauge of what is true and what is healthy and well-balanced.

00:06:50.120 And so, you know, it makes you wonder why would somebody want to show you disoriented imagery or imagery that doesn't mean anything.

00:06:57.420 It's because they want to unroot you and get you to focus on something that's not life-affirming and vitalistic.

00:07:06.740 Oh, absolutely.

00:07:07.520 And it's also about healthiness.

00:07:10.680 And you want to achieve, like, the pinnacle of mankind.

00:07:13.960 Like, we want to celebrate the best and becoming the best as part of the hero's journey, too.

00:07:18.720 You want to strive for that, right?

00:07:20.020 You want to look better.

00:07:21.440 You want to have your body be in shape.

00:07:24.360 You want to feel good.

00:07:25.400 You want to eat right.

00:07:26.560 And all those things nowadays are attacked as being fascism, right?

00:07:30.240 Fitness is fascism.

00:07:31.560 Beauty is fascism.

00:07:32.600 There's no beauty ideal.

00:07:34.480 But beauty is not subjective.

00:07:36.300 Like, we can all see it.

00:07:37.660 And all around the world, they do see it.

00:07:40.720 They do see it.

00:07:41.620 They know it's beautiful.

00:07:42.380 It's just infected the West, really, just really, in a subversive kind of way to say that beauty is not subjective.

00:07:50.360 What do you think about that idea?

00:07:52.740 Well, yeah.

00:07:53.440 That beauty is not objective, yeah.

00:07:55.920 Yeah.

00:07:56.460 So suggesting that beauty is not subjective or that, sorry, that it is subjective is complicated.

00:08:05.080 Because we all know that, you know, you might have your perspective on what you think is beautiful.

00:08:09.720 And that's the beautiful thing about art, is that you can amplify and show someone something that you think is beautiful.

00:08:16.320 That's actually the role of the artist.

00:08:18.340 But the problem is thinking that all perspectives are equal.

00:08:22.000 There aren't multiple truths of reality.

00:08:24.540 There's one truth of reality.

00:08:26.620 And so in the West, we have developed an almost scientific approach to understanding aesthetics.

00:08:33.120 We've picked up on these patterns that are time-tested.

00:08:36.920 We know when we see something and we call it classic.

00:08:39.500 What does that mean?

00:08:40.280 That means that this thing repeatedly signals to us that it is balanced and that it is beautiful.

00:08:47.380 So we are attracted to that thing.

00:08:49.740 So obviously, you know, basically taking us from that is telling us, well, no, all interpretations of reality matter.

00:08:58.400 Well, okay, you could be wrong in your interpretation of what you think is beautiful or what you think is the way to actually do something that you would use your rationality to, let's say, fly a plane.

00:09:09.660 We know that there are certain metrics, certain ways we go about, you know, making a plane.

00:09:14.860 Not all ways of making a plane will make a plane.

00:09:18.060 Obviously, you need to know how to do that.

00:09:20.040 Well, we've kind of abandoned the study of aesthetics and our sense experience.

00:09:25.140 And that was something in the West that we really developed and we refined, that we understood, no, taste can be developed.

00:09:33.520 And then you can determine what is beautiful and what is not.

00:09:37.880 So, yeah, you could be wrong in your subjective understanding of what is beautiful.

00:09:42.440 And so I guess the last thing I'll say here is that it's definitely a way to disorient, to say that, you know, even the ugliest thing can be beautiful because I say it is.

00:09:53.620 I mean, it's just not true.

00:09:55.240 You know that that's not true.

00:09:56.700 Yeah.

00:09:56.900 And ultimately, I feel like it's all just a war on a healthy European society and values, right? 0.77

00:10:03.460 Because we've always valued and beauty has always mattered to us, whether it's art or architecture, fashion, interior design, the machinery, the cars, the fabrics, you know, that is such a part of Western civilization. 0.98

00:10:18.380 And now you see this degenerate, like, as you see here, this modern art being pushed, urinals, literal shit on, you know, on a plate.

00:10:27.500 Like, this is being pushed in pop culture as though this is like something amazing and we should like be celebrating this now. 0.98

00:10:35.700 It's very, it's very incredibly subversive. 0.97

00:10:38.540 And I think basically the shit on the plate summarizes it. 0.99

00:10:42.100 It's like, they want to crap all over Western civilization and all the beauty that we've been. 0.98

00:10:48.240 Well, again, you guys are showing on the screen here, Marcel Duchamp, and he's a perfect example of exactly that.

00:10:55.180 And I think he, there's actually a quote from him where he basically admits that he wants to destroy Western aesthetics.

00:11:02.780 Really?

00:11:03.260 Yes, and they also use language to do that too in a variety of different ways.

00:11:09.020 But basically, you know, putting a urinal in a gallery is a way to, it's sort of a joke.

00:11:15.780 It's that, oh, well, I can have a found object, a thing that I find, and there's no skill needed.

00:11:21.520 Once again, the, you know, egalitarianist nature of the art world is that you don't need to have skill.

00:11:27.680 You don't even need to have any fruits and display those things.

00:11:30.920 In fact, that's what, you know, we would prefer.

00:11:34.500 And you can see how subversive that is because then everything is open to interpretation, which just means that we can degrade and hit at all of our roots and, you know, destroy them.

00:11:46.060 You also find too that these people are very anti-nature, anti the natural order, natural hierarchy of just what nature has created.

00:11:55.060 And nature has always been such an important part of art.

00:11:58.840 Can you discuss just a little bit about the relationship to art and nature, as we've seen in Western civilization?

00:12:05.120 Because we're seeing a lot less of that now as we're, you know, celebrating trannies and all that. 1.00

00:12:11.580 Yes.

00:12:12.620 Yeah.

00:12:13.360 Yeah, that's a really good question.

00:12:15.540 So there's definitely a, it's, it's a bit complicated, but basically because of individualism, we have sort of this, it's, I call it navel gazing, where we're looking only at ourselves.

00:12:29.280 And so it's, it's me, me, me, me, it's my individual experience.

00:12:33.060 And when you do that, you go inward and you're not really looking out into the world.

00:12:37.180 You're, it's, it almost becomes, for lack of a better word, satanic, right?

00:12:42.400 Because, you know, honestly, in a way, Satan is really just ourselves.

00:12:46.860 It's, it's this, this hyper logos.

00:12:50.320 It's where you, you hyper focus on only the things that humans have developed and our perception of reality.

00:12:57.140 And that's why looking at nature is important that we actually look out into it and try to derive meaning and purpose from it because it's our, it's our best possible teacher is, is nature.

00:13:08.860 So, so without question, that's something that's been removed.

00:13:12.900 And that's a complicated question.

00:13:14.640 It has to do with the Dionysian and, and, and the Apollonian sort of cultural differences throughout time.

00:13:21.020 But yeah, generally speaking, we've moved further away from nature and the divine to kind of, you know, have this almost a Reddit tier interpretation of things that if you can't measure it, and, and it's not something that's provable by human standards.

00:13:37.980 There's, there's no mystery in anything, which is what nature is.

00:13:41.420 Nature is mysterious.

00:13:43.080 You know, we really just only have ourselves to look at, which is why we're making art that doesn't, you know, it's not natural.

00:13:51.500 It's just a looking inward to our personal experience.

00:13:56.340 It's obviously a bad thing.

00:13:58.120 Yeah.

00:13:58.600 Yeah.

00:13:58.840 And, and you see that in like the, the architecture, this cuboid, this modern art, this cold, clean, modern lines, as they call it, and just stark whiteness.

00:14:10.560 I hate it too.

00:14:11.620 Come over to my house.

00:14:12.400 I'm surrounded by, you know, nature elements, paintings that incorporate nature or scrolly looking things or, you know, floral looking things.

00:14:20.620 I love like the old world kind of classic touch in, in furniture, for instance, it just makes your soul feel good.

00:14:27.780 It makes you feel better.

00:14:29.160 Yeah.

00:14:29.300 Like living in little boxes like that is not going to make us feel good.

00:14:33.140 Yes.

00:14:33.800 Either.

00:14:34.320 Yeah.

00:14:34.460 And Roger Scruton, he actually talks about that too.

00:14:37.140 And how, you know, if you look at in his documentary, he talks about this, that a building that is more in tune with nature, you know, gets covered with vines, you know, these, these little, you know, like German villages and stuff like that.

00:14:52.120 They have, there's like a harmony that they have with the nature that's around them, whereas a modern building, like the one he's standing in front of is, is almost like in denial of nature.

00:15:03.880 And it's not, it's, it's purely utilitarian.

00:15:06.940 So no one wants to go live in an area where the buildings are communistic and square and stuff like that.

00:15:12.920 Yeah.

00:15:13.080 But these liberals, these progressives, they love it.

00:15:15.640 They're tearing down this old stuff.

00:15:17.460 They're putting up all this ugly, cuboid, utilitarian, soulless kind of stuff. 0.96

00:15:22.940 So it just tells me, okay, you are soulless.

00:15:25.300 If you could feel good living in that and be surrounded by like, you know, art that's just like paint splatters and these clean lines all around you.

00:15:35.820 It's just, oh, you know.

00:15:37.640 Yeah.

00:15:37.940 I don't know any, I don't know any friends in my circle who like that because it really is telling of kind of what's going on internally.

00:15:44.400 Right.

00:15:44.700 It definitely does.

00:15:47.300 Yeah.

00:15:47.500 Like you said, it's, it's soulless and it's meant to not have any detail.

00:15:53.280 It's not meant to have any roots.

00:15:54.680 And I think that that's one of the biggest thing is that it uproots you.

00:15:58.480 You know, it's, it doesn't, it doesn't feel like home because there is no, there's basically no group of people who have come together to make that thing.

00:16:07.000 It's like almost like a foreign entity has put this thing here and it's corporate and again, it's utilitarian.

00:16:13.160 No one's going to want to preserve that.

00:16:14.960 It basically has no meaning.

00:16:16.800 No.

00:16:17.600 It's lacking that.

00:16:18.320 It has the utility, right?

00:16:19.480 It has the ability to house you, but it doesn't have the ability to, to inspire you.

00:16:25.100 Now, when it comes to art, I like to go to like fineart.com or art.com and go, they have like a lot of old stuff too, you know, 15, 16, 17, 1800s.

00:16:33.780 And you can get those things reprinted so you can find, you know, mythological paintings and all kinds of just paintings that make you feel, feel good.

00:16:42.680 Like some of the famous ones too, and you can get them reprinted on canvas and it looks amazing.

00:16:47.060 So I've done that for some of my favorites and there's a bunch more that I want, but let's talk about the Renaissance because I find that it's interesting.

00:16:54.820 Henrik and I have talked about this before.

00:16:56.560 The Renaissance happened after the Black Plague, right? 0.95

00:16:59.820 Which was like half of Europe was wiped out.

00:17:02.820 So it was like this death and then this rebirth that created this inspirational and transformative time.

00:17:09.120 And then it was like, bang, all this like amazing art came out.

00:17:12.420 And I always think about that in terms of like now and what's happening.

00:17:16.520 Like maybe we need a Black Plague to bring back another Renaissance. 1.00

00:17:22.020 So what do you think about that?

00:17:26.620 Like the Renaissance period and like all the death before that?

00:17:30.200 I actually do agree with this, but also at the same time, I have a little bit of an opposition to that time period.

00:17:40.300 And I know that's kind of strange because I'm an art student and that's one of the main things that's pushed in art school is, oh, the Renaissance.

00:17:51.040 Well, yes, it was a revitalization and, you know, Europe was going through a tough time, but what preceded it was the Gothic era.

00:17:59.600 And I think there's a lot of really interesting, important things that are going on there.

00:18:02.760 If I actually just read a book by Julius Savula about the Holy Grail, and he talks about how it's around the time that the Knights Templar fail and they were burned up the stake by, you know, the by the Pope, which is weird because, you know, a lot of pagans were also burned to the stake as we know.

00:18:24.600 Yeah, there he he says that this is kind of like a signal to the end of the of the West.

00:18:30.400 And so the Renaissance is something that comes after and is, yes, a revitalization, but a revitalization of what of of Hellenism, of of what the Greeks were doing.

00:18:42.220 And that's a complicated story. But but basically what I'm alluding to here is that that culture is very secular and what that ends up leading to.

00:18:51.960 And it's kind of almost the foundation for is kind of the mess that we're in.

00:18:56.820 So it's kind of strange because it happened slowly over time.

00:18:59.640 So I guess what I'm trying to say is that, you know, the the Medicis were one of the biggest patrons of the arts during that time.

00:19:07.240 And they were very connected to bankers.

00:19:11.140 And and it's kind of the setting the stones for the breaking down of civilization and the scientific revolution and then the Enlightenment.

00:19:22.100 So it's it is great, but it's also there's pros and cons there.

00:19:26.300 Yes. And it's a mixed bag.

00:19:27.940 I mean, there was a lot going on. Right.

00:19:29.580 But you definitely can't can't deny the beauty in that time, though.

00:19:33.140 I mean, there was beautiful creations and an artwork.

00:19:36.620 And I'm sure I mean, what would those people have thought about what today's art and today's society?

00:19:44.580 You know? Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah.

00:19:46.700 It's a slow decline. It's a very slow decline of the West.

00:19:50.440 There are many different factors, but obviously during that time, people still understood with what beauty was there.

00:19:56.400 We weren't as as far along, you know, as we are today.

00:20:01.800 So obviously they still were able to maintain that.

00:20:04.480 But it's just that there was, you know, sort of liberal, you know, liberalism was kind of starting to develop during that time for complicated reasons.

00:20:15.720 Yeah. But but we there's no doubt that Rome produced and the Greeks produced some of the most beautiful sculpture that that we have in the world.

00:20:25.460 So that is always a good thing that comes out of Hellenism.

00:20:29.900 I know we'll get into Rome and also how it's not gay. 1.00

00:20:32.920 But what what does it mean to be part of the West?

00:20:37.920 Now, you did a video on this, too.

00:20:39.160 We hear that all the time.

00:20:40.160 Western civilization, Western culture, Western society.

00:20:43.320 I mean, we use it, too. Now, I know it's it's kind of it's kind of complex.

00:20:47.300 But how do we define the West, as you talked about in your in your video?

00:20:52.120 Because I know definition of what is Western has changed, because if you go back far enough, well, you'll get into that.

00:20:57.960 It was considered that the barbarians were not Western.

00:21:01.340 Right. Right. Right.

00:21:02.960 And those are Germanic people and say that they're not a part of the West.

00:21:06.860 Obviously, they are today.

00:21:08.080 So, you know, obviously, it's a it's a piece of terminology that that, you know, historians use to kind of, you know, indicate that like civilization really kicked off during this time period, which was, you know, the Roman era.

00:21:23.560 And and really all that the West means, you know, from your standard definition is that you were from Rome or culture that came out of Rome.

00:21:34.440 And so as far as the barbarians are concerned, it gets a little complicated.

00:21:40.080 But, you know, basically, all that it meant was that a barbarian was not a person of Rome.

00:21:47.140 They didn't they didn't live in Rome.

00:21:48.840 And of course, over time, that developed a negative connotation.

00:21:53.060 You don't bathe. You're basically like a redneck. 1.00

00:21:55.520 You have no manners. And it's the complete opposite, by the way. 0.84

00:21:58.820 Well, no, it really is, because the you know, there's there's this misconception about the barbarians that brought down Western civilization.

00:22:06.540 Right. Those people were actually very noble, very upstanding, like Alric, the barbarian.

00:22:12.640 The Romans at that point in time had degraded severely.

00:22:17.820 And the people in Rome didn't like being in Rome and they didn't like their leaders and actually welcomed the barbarians. 0.96

00:22:23.820 So, you know, it's I guess what I'm what I'm trying to allude to here is that the people that were up in the northern region that weren't a part of Rome,

00:22:34.980 they would work for Rome and were even genetically similar to a lot of the people that were, you know, tribes that were living in Rome.

00:22:43.860 It's just a collection of very many different people that, you know, are all generally speaking in what we know as Europe today.

00:22:53.820 So it's just it's just that this word, it has a particular use in ancient times that's kind of gotten this bad rap.

00:23:03.200 Yeah. And it's yeah, I think you understand what I'm saying.

00:23:06.420 Yes. And then and then nowadays you have like these anti-whites and even have it on the like conservative side of like, well, you know,

00:23:14.920 it was many different races that built Western civilization.

00:23:19.360 This is not true.

00:23:21.780 Yes, no, that's not what happened.

00:23:24.100 And if we're going to go just Rome, like Rome was white people as much as they're trying to interject that there was all these blacks and all these people, 0.80

00:23:31.940 that it was multiculturalism and all this.

00:23:34.420 That is not true.

00:23:35.900 And and we should get into this whole thing about Rome didn't fall in a day.

00:23:40.760 It wasn't paganism that for the reason for why it fell.

00:23:45.160 It was pagan for all that time.

00:23:47.320 Actually, it was a Christian for a shorter period before it fell. 0.67

00:23:50.000 But it was really multiculturalism at the end of the day that made it fall. 0.81

00:23:54.180 But what can you say about Rome not falling in a day and a little bit about Rome's history?

00:23:58.960 Um, yeah, so I Rome, obviously, the decline of civilization happens slowly over time.

00:24:08.980 And of course, yes, you know, incorporating other groups of people into your civilization who don't have anything to do with it can bring about the end of your civilization. 1.00

00:24:19.760 You know, from my understanding, in Rome, people weren't, they were starting to speak their own languages that, you know, Rome wasn't being as strict as they should have been in, you know, making the Germanic people, you know, speak Rome and, you know, take on their customs.

00:24:42.140 And obviously, that just makes sense that if you have this great civilization, like Rome was, that, that if you want to keep it consistently going, you have to stick to the root of what made that thing successful.

00:24:57.060 And it was a particular tribe that, that, you know, kicked off that civilization. 0.99

00:25:03.260 And then over time, that ended up, you know, everybody sort of lost the, the culture, the spirit of what it was to be Roman.

00:25:11.000 So yeah, you know, you know, it's definitely not the same as what we're dealing with today, because obviously, Germanic tribes and people in the Mediterranean have a lot of connection to one another.

00:25:23.780 The history is, is very intertwined, because, you know, of the Vikings and stuff like that, and the Phoenicians.

00:25:28.900 So, so, so, you know, to suggest that it's the same type of situation as what we're dealing with today, it is in the sense that, you know, any country, you know, throughout history, not just the Romans, that decided to take in foreigners, people who were invested in the culture or, you know, in the history.

00:25:49.080 You know, of course, that's going to eventually lead to the decline of that civilization.

00:25:54.660 But to suggest that, you know, Africans have, you know, that, that it was multicultural in, in the way that we're multicultural now.

00:26:04.140 No, we all as Europe, European people all have sort of a root connection to one another, be it Roman or, you know, Germanic.

00:26:13.080 Romanic, it's, it's all kind of connected.

00:26:16.920 Yes, absolutely.

00:26:18.200 It's, it's like America, when they say, oh, it was a melting pot.

00:26:20.900 Well, it was a melting pot of European peoples, and we already have some shared core values that we don't have to explain to one another as European peoples.

00:26:30.360 Just as, you know, Asian people have their things, Africans have their things, you know, Middle Eastern people have their things.

00:26:37.040 Like, some of these, it's not really multiculturalism, in the sense of today's multiracial multiculturalism.

00:26:45.700 And even then, when you have a bunch of white people, even with the different ethnicities, even then, it's, it's issues, you know, it's problems, and it's hard. 0.95

00:26:53.160 But at least it's our own problems, right?

00:26:55.340 Yes, it's our own problems.

00:26:57.460 Yes, we're, we're able to coexist amongst each other.

00:26:59.980 You know, obviously, there are going to be little enclaves, even in a country that, like, disagree with each other.

00:27:04.700 And then that expands over, you know, when you go outward, you know, then there's going to be a country that doesn't agree with you.

00:27:10.300 But generally speaking, we have a similar origin.

00:27:13.420 We come from the same Germanic tribes and, and have the same roots, ancient roots.

00:27:19.300 We don't have those same ancient roots with people from Africa.

00:27:23.520 That's, that's completely and entirely wrong.

00:27:27.020 Yes.

00:27:27.680 Yeah.

00:27:28.120 And the first black Britain was not black. 0.97

00:27:30.800 Cheddar Man was a lie. 0.97

00:27:31.880 It turns out, uh, the first black Britain was a woman from Cyprus.

00:27:35.180 You saw that?

00:27:35.740 It just came out.

00:27:36.680 It was just like, they just immediately jump on, oh, they had black skin, so they must be African. 0.99

00:27:41.000 You know, it's this total reconstruction, completely guessing all these things, just as another excuse to justify how we're not really native anywhere.

00:27:50.940 And therefore, anyone could come live there and have claim to it now.

00:27:54.540 Right.

00:27:55.780 Right.

00:27:56.680 Now, that's the purpose.

00:27:57.760 Yeah, that is the purpose.

00:27:59.300 And they're rewriting history, even, they'll even go far back, you know, with Rome, like all these movies that, that they're doing.

00:28:05.140 They're inserting and, you know, it's even Black Thor now, you know.

00:28:08.940 Yeah, to disinherit you from, yeah, from, from your claim to the land and to that history. 0.99

00:28:14.420 It's garbage. 1.00

00:28:14.920 Well, let's address this gay thing. 1.00

00:28:16.740 I know Leather Apron Club had a really good video about this.

00:28:19.740 And basically, most of these claims of rampant homosexuality come from, you know, rivals and adversaries. 0.70

00:28:26.740 And of course, it's put into movies by our friends in Hollywood and continually pushed by liberal professors, many of whom who are gay.

00:28:33.820 So they love this idea of like, oh, the Romans were gay, you know, it's all a Caligula, right? 0.92

00:28:39.640 And then today, I even hear from some of those who are, unfortunately, who they say, oh, that's what pagans are. 0.98

00:28:45.880 They just, you know, they were all just homosexuals and doing drugs. 1.00

00:28:49.420 And that's why Rome fell. 1.00

00:28:50.840 No, that's all garbage. 0.99

00:28:52.180 Sure. 1.00

00:28:53.020 Were there gays that existed?

00:28:55.120 Sure.

00:28:55.440 But was it the norm?

00:28:56.780 No, they'll take an exception.

00:28:58.720 They'll use it to push their agenda. 0.93

00:29:00.660 But Rome wasn't gay. 0.91

00:29:03.020 It wasn't, you know, multi-culti. 0.99

00:29:05.280 And gay men, I have to say, are not the foundation of Western civilization. 1.00

00:29:09.980 No, definitely not. 0.99

00:29:12.280 They did not build Rome.

00:29:14.060 Yes.

00:29:14.440 And Leather Apron Club made a fantastic video about it.

00:29:19.060 And yeah, it's okay.

00:29:21.740 So looking at the culture that was developing, that ended up leading to Rome and made ancient Greece what it was.

00:29:30.920 They were hyper-masculine.

00:29:33.200 They actually, in a way, sort of had, you know, antagonism to the feminine.

00:29:39.720 And that's a complicated story.

00:29:41.520 But to suggest that they had an embrace of the feminine to the point that they were homosexuals, it doesn't even make sense with what they believed in their customs.

00:29:51.980 They were very opposed to homosexuality for the reason that if you were acting like a woman, they considered you to be, like, the lowest of the low.

00:30:01.780 Nordics were like that, too.

00:30:02.740 Vikings as well.

00:30:03.660 Yeah.

00:30:03.800 Yes, yes.

00:30:04.800 And there's a variety of reasons that are really complicated why the feminine ends up getting a really bad rap. 1.00

00:30:10.800 But yes, that was something that started to develop in ancient Greece. 0.78

00:30:15.460 And so to suggest that they were gay and effeminate is basically the complete opposite. 0.86

00:30:21.300 It really is. 0.97

00:30:22.300 It could be further from the truth.

00:30:23.480 It's obviously a liberal lie to, you know, they know conservatives are going to be interested in that era, right?

00:30:30.940 Because it's traditional and it's, you know, our roots in Western civilization. 0.97

00:30:35.360 Well, what better way to, you know, ruin it than to say, oh, those people were just gay. 0.99

00:30:42.040 Let's defile it and slime it up, you know? 0.99

00:30:45.260 Yes, yes. 0.99

00:30:46.480 Just make it all gay. 1.00

00:30:48.360 I know. 0.93

00:30:48.960 Yes.

00:30:49.960 Speaking of that, I know this is a little tangent, but I heard, you know, I used to live in Seattle and the Seattle Space Needle.

00:30:56.840 Someone's like, don't go there anymore.

00:30:59.480 It's an unofficial gay bar now up there.

00:31:01.900 So it's like, that's a shame.

00:31:04.780 That is great. 0.98

00:31:05.380 The gays want to take over and claim everything. 1.00

00:31:08.820 Of course. 1.00

00:31:09.540 Oh, man.

00:31:10.400 So let's get into what does Europe mean?

00:31:13.420 I know Henrik did a presentation about this a long time ago.

00:31:16.420 Europa, the Phoenician goddess.

00:31:19.360 What can you say about her?

00:31:21.200 What's interesting about the Phoenicians?

00:31:22.740 Yeah.

00:31:23.260 So, you know, what I find fascinating about it is that when, okay, so we have, you know, the term the West.

00:31:30.880 And that's kind of a marker for what, you know, what we are, where we're the West.

00:31:35.560 And so that's marked by, you know, Rome, anything that was a part of Rome or is inspired by Romanization.

00:31:43.740 You know, Europa is, you know, it's even older.

00:31:48.900 It goes back to ancient Crete.

00:31:52.320 And they're basically considered to be the first Europeans, the Minoan civilization that was on Crete.

00:32:01.880 And one of their figures in mythology is the bull, is the Minotaur.

00:32:09.480 And this kind of, you know, this story of Europa is that she's a Phoenician princess who gets swept away by a bull.

00:32:20.420 And that symbolism of the bull is really fascinating because in, you know, we know Arianism is something that, you know, a lot of people are contending with.

00:32:30.320 Like, what was it to be Arian?

00:32:31.600 And that seems to be another rudimentary thing.

00:32:33.600 Well, the symbol of the bull is found wherever we go.

00:32:40.280 It is, you know, a symbol that you'll find in India even today.

00:32:46.000 That the highest caste in India, you know, why are Indians obsessed with bulls? 0.99

00:32:50.880 Well, the highest caste that's there who are lighter skin, who live up in the northern region, that they are represented as the bull. 1.00

00:32:59.420 And so that's kind of a remnant of, you know, one of our markers of having been there.

00:33:07.560 And so as far as, you know, Europa is concerned, yes, it's a Phoenician princess.

00:33:14.280 It's where the word Europe comes from.

00:33:17.060 It's the etymology of that word.

00:33:19.640 And so with it is the symbol of the bull and of this mythology and kind of explaining what sort of happened.

00:33:28.040 But yes, it's really key because, like I said, the first group of people that we denote, that historians denote as being Europeans, are the people from Crete, the Minoan civilization.

00:33:41.900 Yeah.

00:33:42.080 And I've seen in some circles, unfortunately, where they're afraid of it.

00:33:45.500 They're like, oh, this is a cult or this is some pagan goddess.

00:33:49.340 So therefore, all of Europe is bad.

00:33:51.740 And they somehow connect it to the European Union, which the European Union has nothing to do with, like, caring about the future of Europe and protecting European interests and celebrating European culture, does it?

00:34:04.340 Yes, it's a very good symbol because wherever we go throughout ancient history, we look at how we were kind of influencing different areas throughout time.

00:34:16.080 We always, you know, were, we were raising bulls.

00:34:19.700 And so it's just that signifier.

00:34:21.720 It's definitely not a bad symbol.

00:34:24.020 And as far as it being related to the feminine, yeah, there's complicated things there and paganism and whatnot.

00:34:30.060 But yeah, I don't know if you want to talk about the Phoenicians, but yeah, the Phoenicians are also an interesting group of people that have the connection to, to Crete and are part of, you know, our story.

00:34:42.540 Yes.

00:34:42.880 And I think, I don't know, should that take us into Israel and Palestine?

00:34:47.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:48.740 Yeah, because this whole situation, right, regarding Israel and Palestine, it's revealed a lot for the West, as you mentioned in your video, where we just kind of got over talking about what the West is.

00:35:01.260 But Israel is not a European country today.

00:35:04.960 I see people calling it a white country.

00:35:07.220 How do you respond when they're calling Israel a Western or European or white country?

00:35:12.880 Well, I think it's, it's definitely incorrect, and for complicated reasons.

00:35:21.540 Now, obviously, in the very, very, very distant past, you could make a claim that we have a connection to the people who are now living in Israel that are known as Jews.

00:35:32.340 Well, there's this conflation between Christianity and Judaism, that they're sort of the same thing.

00:35:40.500 And it's because of this ancient root that they have.

00:35:44.200 So, you know, the Tanakh and other, you know, works that these people were, you know, that they all had a connection to, eventually became, you know, the Babylonian Talmud and the Bible.

00:35:59.200 But those things are, they've kind of gone their separate ways.

00:36:02.620 One group of people who lived in the Northern Kingdom, which was called Israel, they ended up getting taken over by the Neo-Assyrian Empire.

00:36:17.280 And so they ended up getting taken into Europe, into Turkey, and then into Romania.

00:36:22.800 They kind of spread about.

00:36:24.040 And they also, a lot of them ended up going into, you know, modern-day Italy and becoming, you know, Hellenized.

00:36:31.140 So they went towards the West.

00:36:34.380 And so that's why Christianity ended up going that way and having an influence there.

00:36:38.640 And what's interesting is that the people in the South, in Judea, they were rivals to the people of ancient Israel. 0.57

00:36:48.560 And you'll see that they're talked about as two separate entities.

00:36:52.220 And the reason why is because they were very culturally different.

00:36:58.360 They had massive disagreements.

00:37:00.840 Massive disagreements about, you know, who they should marry.

00:37:05.040 And also about, you know, what they believed and what they worshipped.

00:37:10.320 And so they were fighting with one another.

00:37:12.880 They had conflicts.

00:37:14.240 And then, you know, once the southern area, you know, Judea, ended up getting taken over by the Babylonians, they ended up kind of becoming more Middle Eastern, I would say. 0.67

00:37:28.100 And that's why the Talmud is called the Babylonian Talmud.

00:37:31.800 And that's something that someone like Jesus, being, you know, Hellenized, living in the Levant, and then you have these people from the Babylonian exile who are still part of the tribe of Judah.

00:37:43.500 But they're not, you know, they're obviously influenced by Babylon now.

00:37:47.800 They have a different influence.

00:37:49.640 And obviously the people who would become Christians were more Western.

00:37:53.920 Now, obviously, during that time, there is no Western civilization.

00:37:57.220 These are all the roots that end up becoming Western civilization.

00:38:02.040 But they got taken up into Rome.

00:38:04.660 And they appreciated that influence.

00:38:07.600 Whereas the other group of people in the south, they were fine to go with Babylon and then a completely different direction. 0.97

00:38:14.160 So, yes, I don't think that they are.

00:38:17.620 You wouldn't consider them to be Western technically.

00:38:21.020 But they, like, have this small little connection to us.

00:38:25.220 Yes, you could say.

00:38:26.100 They do.

00:38:26.420 There's some connection or influence.

00:38:28.920 But they have also been expelled from, I think, 109 countries, something like that.

00:38:33.240 Well, that was thousands and thousands of years ago.

00:38:35.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:36.360 So, I think they were viewed differently even way back then, right?

00:38:41.060 Yes.

00:38:41.620 Well, yeah.

00:38:42.640 And this was in ancient times.

00:38:45.180 This was a little bit after the Bronze Age collapse.

00:38:48.020 So, you know, this is all transpiring thousands and thousands of years ago.

00:38:52.620 And so, there are many thousands of years of us going in different directions and really becoming different people at this point.

00:39:01.380 Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:02.640 And they see themselves differently.

00:39:04.140 I wanted to play because Zionism is just really rearing its head. 0.96

00:39:08.080 It's all the talk of the town right now everywhere you go.

00:39:11.940 It's, you know, Israel versus Palestine. 0.98

00:39:14.300 And it's just ridiculous. 0.89

00:39:16.060 First, I'm going to show this little tweet. 0.84

00:39:17.420 We've showed it before.

00:39:18.300 You're either on the white or the right side of history. 0.90

00:39:21.580 And there's the Israel flag on the left side.

00:39:24.360 I had mentioned underneath.

00:39:27.520 It's like, if only the white side stood for the people of European descent. 0.86

00:39:32.360 If only.

00:39:33.420 Also, Israel isn't a white European country.

00:39:35.520 Now, the flags on the right are Congo, East Turkestan, Sudan, and Palestine.

00:39:39.940 You can leave the West and go live there if we're just so evil.

00:39:45.100 Have you seen this one?

00:39:46.120 Oh, yeah.

00:39:46.920 Yes.

00:39:48.180 Again, I couldn't agree more.

00:39:49.960 It's honestly, it's a false dichotomy.

00:39:51.560 They're creating this argument that, oh, well, you have to pick either Palestine or you have to pick Israel.

00:39:59.220 And that's obviously, you don't have to.

00:40:00.740 It has nothing to do with you.

00:40:02.680 It has nothing to do with me.

00:40:03.680 It has nothing to do with us.

00:40:04.780 And this group of people conveniently will shift when it, you know, suits their interest to be Westerners or to be something entirely different.

00:40:14.700 So I think we should trust them when they say that they are something separate from us.

00:40:20.500 Because they're constantly telling us that until it's convenient to unify with us.

00:40:25.680 Yes, absolutely.

00:40:26.660 I think they want to use a lot of Christians to fight to defend Zionism. 0.97

00:40:30.560 But at the same time, they don't care about us.

00:40:32.960 Let me play this clip by Zionist Bill Maurer. 0.74

00:40:37.100 I mean, I remember being in England the first time in the 80s.

00:40:41.860 And it was very different.

00:40:43.840 Yeah.

00:40:44.380 Very different.

00:40:45.540 How so?

00:40:46.240 Well, first of all, London was like all white. 1.00

00:40:48.640 Yeah.

00:40:48.860 Yeah, it was.

00:40:49.840 You know, so can we just celebrate that victory that we made a place more diverse?

00:40:55.760 Look at that.

00:40:56.120 Can we just celebrate?

00:40:57.740 I mean, he's not calling for this kind of progress, open borders in Israel to bring them more diversity, multiculturalism, cultural enrichment,

00:41:05.720 and all those lies, and calling it progress. 0.93

00:41:08.000 He sits there and he's just so pompous and so arrogant. 0.96

00:41:11.060 It's just so annoying seeing this guy. 0.65

00:41:13.320 So obviously, he's seeing like us versus them here.

00:41:17.840 Oh, it's less white.

00:41:18.780 Isn't that great?

00:41:19.700 But then he's hardcore Zionist, right? 0.98

00:41:21.680 He wants to protect the interests of Israel, blood and soil when it comes to Israel. 0.90

00:41:25.200 But isn't it great that there's, you know, white people are a minority in London now?

00:41:29.120 Well, yeah, and even more interesting is that he is supposedly an atheist.

00:41:37.960 And so people, you know, I actually was having a conversation with people on Twitter and they're like,

00:41:41.760 no, no, he's Jewish, but he's not really Jewish.

00:41:45.340 He's an atheist.

00:41:46.440 And I had to explain that, you know, that is a racial identity and he is interested in his people,

00:41:53.020 which is honestly the correct answer.

00:41:54.860 You should be invested in your people.

00:41:56.640 But despite being an atheist, you know, he's still interested in that group of people.

00:42:03.300 It doesn't matter that religiously he's not Jewish.

00:42:07.620 It's that he has a racial connection to that group of people because people will say that all the time.

00:42:13.120 Oh, no, you know, a liberal Jew is not a problem for us.

00:42:17.380 No, they love their people.

00:42:19.700 Just as any other group of people in this world has a love for their people,

00:42:23.140 white people are the only ones that seem to have this out group preference. 0.89

00:42:29.280 But, yeah, it's completely disgusting that he would say that under the guise of progress. 0.96

00:42:35.760 Yeah. 0.66

00:42:36.440 I mean, you're advocating, well, no surprise, they are genocidal, what they're doing to Palestinians.

00:42:42.220 So, of course, they wouldn't think twice about it when it's in a white country either, right? 0.89

00:42:47.240 Oh, it's great.

00:42:48.320 Right.

00:42:48.560 You know, it's ethnically cleansed here. 1.00

00:42:51.040 This is great.

00:42:51.780 Or the people are being replaced.

00:42:52.840 Sure, they're not dropping bombs.

00:42:55.140 But almost what we've had has been more subversive and happening through the decades in a sneaky, nefarious way.

00:43:03.540 It's almost easier if it's like in your face and someone's like pointing a gun at you and saying, 0.92

00:43:07.560 yeah, I hate you, I want to kill you versus some of the subversive ways we've seen where, you know, 0.99

00:43:14.100 these scholars are trying to convince white people why they should be replaced and why they shouldn't hate themselves 1.00

00:43:20.560 and why they should open the doors to letting everyone live in their country.

00:43:24.880 Yeah, yeah, I definitely think, and that's well said, that there are groups of people that, you know, this tribe that, you know, Bill hails from that have used, you know,

00:43:40.140 not, you know, physical force and weaponry because, you know, the West was so, you know, stable in that regard.

00:43:48.540 And they've definitely used art and media and a sort of persuasion to convince people and undermine, you know, their ancestral roots

00:44:02.180 and convince them, you know, that, that they should be nihilist and that there's no point in, you know, of existing.

00:44:08.760 And so, yeah, it's definitely happened in a very slow kind of boil the frog sort of manner.

00:44:16.460 It's not in your face because I don't think that they could really deal with us in that way.

00:44:20.840 No, no.

00:44:21.820 Yeah.

00:44:22.220 But it's about culture, right?

00:44:25.000 Let's, let's get into that because culture influences politics and there has been a lot of subversive activities

00:44:31.580 you know, hijacking our culture.

00:44:33.840 It's why people say it's a culture war, a case for culture.

00:44:37.840 Now, ethnicity, in my view, is the foundation of culture, right?

00:44:41.180 This is in a big way shapes our identity, not all of it, but in a big way.

00:44:45.220 It's what unites us.

00:44:47.240 It helps us understand each other and function as a society.

00:44:50.800 Culture includes what language and ideas and beliefs and customs, mythology, codes of conduct, rituals, holidays, ceremonies,

00:45:00.760 everything, right?

00:45:01.980 You have different cultures throughout the world and it's tied to ethnic peoples, right?

00:45:07.120 Distinct ethnic peoples.

00:45:08.540 They are the root of where that culture was born from.

00:45:11.860 I've traveled around the world.

00:45:13.200 I have seen all kinds of different cultures.

00:45:15.360 You can't tell me that there isn't a white culture, right? 0.94

00:45:19.080 And we would say white because, well, they view us as white.

00:45:22.420 We may be Swedish.

00:45:23.580 We may be German.

00:45:25.040 I mean, Slavic, Celtic.

00:45:27.280 It doesn't matter.

00:45:27.800 They just see us as white, but we do have our own culture, our European culture.

00:45:32.880 Now, in your view, what is culture and why is it so important?

00:45:38.240 Why are we talking about this so much right now?

00:45:41.080 Yes, yes.

00:45:41.860 I think people are really starting to realize what you just alluded to there, that it's the spirit of a group of people that, you know, all of these different ways of communicating through visual format or through, you know, a mythos that we're all connected to each other.

00:46:01.200 It's sort of a glue that binds us.

00:46:03.220 And so that, you know, culture is really the collective spirit of a people.

00:46:09.800 It's like the zeitgeist.

00:46:12.780 And so that spirit, if it's tampered with or isn't kept up, you know, like look at the Egyptians. 1.00

00:46:21.320 They're a really good example of a group of people that had a very specific culture and they did that for thousands of years and were very successful because they remembered who they were.

00:46:32.360 They had a lot of culture to constantly reaffirm who it is that they were.

00:46:38.560 And so that's why something like, you know, ancient Greek sculpture ends up revitalizing and we remember who we are.

00:46:46.780 It's because these different forms of communication and art are the thing that make up our culture, remind us of what our spirit is.

00:46:58.140 So, yeah, that's it's important because once you lose that and once that's degraded, then a collective dies.

00:47:06.880 Because what's really binding us together, it's our shared experience.

00:47:11.860 It's our shared taste in things of how we like to live.

00:47:15.980 So if we break those things down and we don't continue to, you know, make the same art or we don't continue to to have the same customs, the West doesn't exist because the West isn't just, you know, a physical place.

00:47:33.280 It's obviously a certain group of people with a certain collective spirit.

00:47:37.480 And so that's really why I would say culture is and why it's important.

00:47:41.040 Yeah, well, we're seeing the erasure, the destruction of our culture.

00:47:44.160 We're seeing statues coming down, right?

00:47:46.680 We're seeing them trying to rewrite our stories in the forms of visual visually, right, with movies, because that's what people remember when they think of history, right?

00:47:56.120 It's like, oh, I saw that movie and then it registers.

00:47:58.440 That's the sad truth, right?

00:47:59.740 Because people don't read and then some of the books you want them to read, maybe they don't have access to anymore or they're banned.

00:48:06.920 But is the war on our culture, do you think it's too far gone or can we can we stop it?

00:48:15.160 Well, definitely not.

00:48:17.840 I'm not blackpilled about it at all.

00:48:19.320 I think that there are cycles.

00:48:21.280 And, you know, as you alluded to earlier about the Renaissance, though, I have my criticisms of the Renaissance.

00:48:27.020 We go through a cycle where we kind of have a decline and then we revitalize the best elements of our culture and get back on track.

00:48:41.840 And so I know that we can do it because we've done it in the past.

00:48:47.360 And it really just takes being confident in our ancestors, because one of the things that's been done is that it's been, you know, the past has been deemed, you know, erroneous.

00:49:02.700 That there's sort of been a secularization of mythology and legend of understanding the past.

00:49:10.260 And so I think it really will just take embracing what our traditions are and what our ancestors told us about who we are.

00:49:20.680 And, of course, you know, not letting someone else write our stories for us, because that's what's happened with Hollywood, is that there was a shift from one group of people to another to tell our stories.

00:49:34.820 And, of course, you know, it's obviously been not in favor of us and it's been sort of putting doubt in people's mind that maybe the past wasn't what we thought it was and that, you know, our ancestors were lying to us.

00:49:47.240 So I think it really just takes not letting these people determine what we determine to be the past.

00:49:57.400 We need to not be on their terms of what we define as myth or legend or actual history and we just take it back for ourselves.

00:50:11.520 That's really just the problem is that, you know, we are not in control of the narrative right now.

00:50:19.100 Yeah, we're letting other people who hate us write our own stories or teach our kids.

00:50:24.600 I mean, think about the statue that was recently taken down of Robert E. Lee.

00:50:30.800 Why was this African-American woman in possession of that sculpture? 1.00

00:50:37.040 Like, why did we let that happen?

00:50:38.540 Why don't we have our own people, you know, taking care of that statue and preserving it?

00:50:45.460 How did that happen?

00:50:46.460 That's because we're no longer in control of our culture.

00:50:51.080 No, no.

00:50:52.340 And by the way, that that park where he once stood, Robert E. Lee, is now a full of homeless people, tents and drugs and people pooping in the grass.

00:51:03.020 Of course, it's very symbolic, isn't it?

00:51:05.780 Very symbolic.

00:51:06.440 It all comes down to like poop on the plate.

00:51:09.420 Like if I can summarize, you know, that modern art just really summarized everything right now.

00:51:15.940 And like the end goal of everything here.

00:51:18.120 I could not agree more.

00:51:21.400 Well, yes, it's quite sad.

00:51:23.120 Yes.

00:51:23.440 I think that the root of all our problems today, like what we've been talking about, is the destruction of European ethnic folk culture and history.

00:51:34.400 What do you think?

00:51:35.620 I mean, really, that's the root because they've been, you know, we've been convinced that we're this horrible thing.

00:51:41.540 And so we just don't care about, you know, preserving these things anymore, defending or honoring it.

00:51:46.780 Yeah, yeah, we've been convinced that we've been lied to and that, you know, there's almost like this lie of freedom, which is really strange that we have become more free having untethered ourselves from the past, which isn't true.

00:52:05.560 So under the guise of freedom and progress, that we're moving somewhere new and somewhere better, which isn't the case.

00:52:13.300 We've abandoned all of these, all of this ancient wisdom, all of this tradition that, you know, let's say you're in a forest.

00:52:22.400 Would you be able to navigate a forest without, you know, a compass and a map?

00:52:29.260 Well, that's basically what we've done is we've decided, okay, well, the map and the compass that our ancestors gave us, that they were wrong, that it lies to us.

00:52:40.700 And so it's basically treating these things that have been worked on over time, this wisdom that's been passed on to us, that it's false or evil.

00:52:51.580 And, you know, that, oh, we're free now that we don't have those constraints, but that's not the case.

00:52:57.080 We're actually more free by having the map and the compass, if that makes any sense.

00:53:04.000 That's right. Oh, absolutely. It's just like people being dependent on technology or where AI is going.

00:53:09.700 Are they really empowered and free when they're not going to know how to do anything and they've just relied on a computer to do everything for them and then that computer dies?

00:53:18.400 Right. So, yeah, you're exactly right.

00:53:20.340 Right. Now that they've convinced you that these important things that were gifted to you by your ancestors, a way of understanding reality and knowing, oh, well, you know, here's a moral code or something.

00:53:33.840 Oh, well, that's all wrong. Well, OK, now you've just opened the door not to be free, but to be controlled by someone else.

00:53:40.040 Exactly.

00:53:40.360 Now, yeah. So it's a complete lie.

00:53:43.180 No, that's why I think like ancient philosophy, religions, mythology and knowledge, the spirituality, we can't let that fade away.

00:53:51.960 And I think those in control want that to fade away because they know it is so important for us for like true liberation.

00:53:58.180 Right. For true enlightenment. And if you don't have those things, you're not grounded in something real and timeless and truthful and classic and ancient.

00:54:08.580 And then you are easily manipulated and controlled. And then it turns into ghetto rap culture. Right. 0.88

00:54:14.440 And it's like that's all I see anymore is like ghetto rap culture. 0.99

00:54:18.120 I even see like old ladies listening to this crap in their car. I'm like, do they really do they really like it? 0.99

00:54:23.720 And you go to malls, you go to restaurants, you go everywhere you go.

00:54:27.900 It's like ghetto rap culture is now mainstream. 0.86

00:54:31.000 I remember when this was like the trashy kids listen to that.

00:54:34.820 You know what I mean?

00:54:35.420 Like the kids in the trailer park might have listened to that kind of ghetto music or whatever.

00:54:40.840 Now it's just like, oh, it's mainstream.

00:54:42.420 Do you think most people really actually like that? 1.00

00:54:45.960 I mean, are they really that dumb? 0.99

00:54:49.680 I that's a complicated one. 0.99

00:54:52.880 I would definitely say that the masses, if you will, definitely will listen to the hegemon.

00:55:01.160 I mean, we're going on 25 years or so of rap being the main.

00:55:09.200 It doesn't go away like this.

00:55:10.800 It doesn't.

00:55:11.760 This is it.

00:55:12.380 It's new.

00:55:13.360 They act like it's new and it's not.

00:55:15.200 It's been around for 25 years and I'm sick and I'm tired of it.

00:55:19.040 And I do think, I do think even though people are persuaded by, you know, oh, billboard top 100 is saying or what, you know, the people in power suggesting to people in the media that is good, you know, like, you know, Nicki Minaj or something like that.

00:55:33.680 Despite that, I do think that people who are European or white are getting really tired of this. 0.56

00:55:40.740 And, you know, obviously people, even though they're persuaded by these entities, they still understand what beauty is.

00:55:49.180 People instinctually still know when they see something that they love.

00:55:52.020 So something that's interesting that's happened is that at least young white kids are really interested in K-pop and that's kind of a scapegoat because it's not cool to like white culture.

00:56:04.840 But you can do it if it's Korean.

00:56:07.100 So if the Koreans are dressing like white boys and they have bleached blonde hair and, you know, like blue eye contacts and are dressing European and, you know, are using all of those traditional instruments, suddenly it's okay. 0.99

00:56:20.200 So obviously, even though people are accepting that culture almost like as a virtue signal, that of rap, they still long for European aesthetics, but just not if the white person's doing it.

00:56:32.100 Well, in those rap videos, they love the fine European cars and the clothes and the bling, you know, they love all the fine sheet that we make, you know. 0.98

00:56:42.100 Yeah, I mean, American culture sucks, right?

00:56:45.960 And this is what happens when you lose memory of all the cool, old, ancient stuff. 0.99

00:56:51.120 This is what happens when you open the doors to, you know, foreigners. 1.00

00:56:55.840 And not all these people were brought here through slavery, by the way.

00:56:58.720 There was only like, what, 400,000 African slaves by a few merchants, really.

00:57:03.640 So like a lot of these came later, right?

00:57:06.920 And it's just like, it just doesn't go away.

00:57:09.500 It's like globalists have decided, like, this is where they wanted to stop, you know?

00:57:14.740 This is it. 0.99

00:57:15.560 But, but, yeah, this woman's screwed. 0.96

00:57:18.420 What are you doing? 1.00

00:57:19.160 Humping a goose?

00:57:20.160 That poor goose is called animal control. 0.68

00:57:23.220 Like, what the heck?

00:57:23.820 It always ends up being, like, in the jungle, you know, except in Chicago.

00:57:29.660 Yes, yes.

00:57:30.580 But at the same time, I think there's going to be a huge backlash. 0.99

00:57:33.160 The people are sick and tired of this shit, too, you know, where they're going to want, like, beauty and aesthetics and things that sound pleasing. 0.98

00:57:40.640 I have a friend that's an interior designer, and she said that she's seeing the trends, and she deals with people, like, high end also, seeing the trends of people getting tired of the modern, cold, clean lines and, like, a resurgence of a lot of the old world type of stuff. 0.99

00:57:58.400 So she's seeing that, you know, it's, there's always been levels of that on the high end, but now we're seeing it, like, in the mid-end, you know, more, like, upper middle class people who are, like, wanting to go back to that.

00:58:08.560 And I was like, oh, I saw that as, like, a little good glimmer of, glimmer of hope of people getting sick and tired of all this other stuff.

00:58:15.540 Definitely, definitely.

00:58:16.640 And I wouldn't, I wouldn't even say that, you know, like, that that's Western culture, that's American culture.

00:58:23.840 Unfortunately, it has become American culture.

00:58:26.580 But, you know, what they've done is they've taken something that was once very good.

00:58:31.500 You know, the people who came to this country, you know, had a vision for what they wanted this land and this country to be like.

00:58:40.220 And unfortunately, we're now, you know, forced to accept what was on the screen just there.

00:58:46.720 No, that's a good point.

00:58:48.160 American culture used to be, I think of, like, cowboys and barbecues and discovery and innovation and invention, 1.00

00:58:56.640 like, all these cool things that there were so many European Americans that just brought the world so much, you know,

00:59:03.920 is, like, the age of invention and discovery.

00:59:06.420 And, like, that forever is, you know, in my mind, like, American culture had fostered that, right?

00:59:12.480 There was a sense of freedom and come claim your land and build your homestead and dream big.

00:59:18.340 And that's what it used to be.

00:59:19.800 Yes, yes.

00:59:21.580 But to go back to your main point, it's, you know, you can even see in early America that, you know,

00:59:29.680 despite having all of those good values and, you know, there was a lot of turmoil in Europe, you know,

00:59:35.160 lots of revolutions were happening and people decided to come here and live a simpler lifestyle.

00:59:40.220 But one of the things that they did, you know, the Protestants, if you go to a Protestant church or you look at the Mennonites, 0.89

00:59:46.320 their churches are completely void of art.

00:59:49.920 They actually almost have, you know, they hate aesthetics.

00:59:54.320 Yes.

00:59:54.680 And so, like, while I understand.

00:59:56.360 Flogging yourself.

00:59:57.260 Everything's a sin.

00:59:58.260 I can't look good.

00:59:59.220 I can't be beautiful.

01:00:00.260 I can't wear lipstick.

01:00:01.380 Like, oh, my God.

01:00:02.580 Right.

01:00:02.880 And while I understand that, it's also one of the reasons, like you mentioned, that, you know,

01:00:08.160 we in America are not focused on our roots.

01:00:12.380 We basically have hardly any indicators of our European ancestry.

01:00:16.320 And the way that that's communicated, and this is why culture is important, is through, like, if you go to Europe,

01:00:21.780 it's really hard to not be European because you can see around you the buildings are constantly.

01:00:26.940 It's old.

01:00:27.380 It's been there a while.

01:00:28.180 It's established, right?

01:00:29.560 We're still a newer nation.

01:00:31.380 Yeah.

01:00:31.560 Yeah.

01:00:32.160 And so here, because we basically, you know, started off with too much simplicity, I would argue, and a kind of a denial of culture.

01:00:43.680 Well, I mean, when you deny something, you kind of allow, like, the negative aspect of that thing to come rushing in.

01:00:50.560 And I think that that's kind of the trajectory of America.

01:00:53.660 Like, we almost kind of denied our roots, and now we are even, like, more rootless than ever.

01:00:59.360 Yeah.

01:00:59.920 And then people are like, well, why did, you know, haters say, well, why did Europeans have to come or whatever?

01:01:05.100 And then religious freedom?

01:01:06.480 Well, blame religion then.

01:01:08.460 Blame religion. 0.80

01:01:09.960 Don't blame them.

01:01:10.620 Well, the argument for that, that, like, the Indians were the first people that came here, and they have more of a claim to the land than we do.

01:01:19.140 Okay, that's not how civilization works.

01:01:21.360 Well, yeah.

01:01:21.680 That's not, you know, the way that things work is that, you know, this, this, there wasn't even a country here.

01:01:27.380 There was basically open land with some tribes.

01:01:29.760 Some nomads running around.

01:01:30.920 They were killing each other, too.

01:01:32.060 It wasn't a big kumbaya office.

01:01:33.840 Exactly.

01:01:34.780 There were no roads.

01:01:35.860 There was no country.

01:01:37.620 We made the country. 0.95

01:01:39.040 So, like, the argument is ridiculous.

01:01:42.320 And then it's like, okay, if we're invaders, then what makes it okay for all of you to come live here then and enjoy the fruits of what the invaders built, you know?

01:01:51.860 And then, of course, we can go back farther with, like, the Solitrean hypothesis and all of that.

01:01:56.440 And most American Indians today are admixture.

01:01:59.840 They have European DNA as well.

01:02:01.780 So, but it's like, how far back do you want to go?

01:02:03.600 Who was first?

01:02:04.420 Well, how far back?

01:02:05.400 We can uproot the whole planet doing this who was first here on the land.

01:02:09.220 Like, history is full of war and conquests and taking land.

01:02:13.560 But what's happening today is different because it's people from within that are turning against their own people to give away the land.

01:02:20.600 And we can't, like, fight old school like cowboys used to, you know?

01:02:24.900 Yeah.

01:02:25.240 Fight properly on the field or whatever, you know?

01:02:27.500 Well, and you and I aren't, we're not Native American.

01:02:30.660 We don't benefit at all.

01:02:32.320 Like, the nature of reality is brutal.

01:02:34.200 We've been very nice to this group of people.

01:02:36.060 We've actually given them land where other groups of people would just completely slaughter them.

01:02:39.240 Yes.

01:02:39.840 We've actually been very, very accommodating to this group of people.

01:02:43.780 But, of course, we are going to choose ourselves over other groups of people.

01:02:48.120 It doesn't benefit me to, you know, give them everything.

01:02:52.640 I mean, we're not the same group of people.

01:02:54.860 That's the nature of, you know, human existence is you have to stand up for your claim to exist and to have land.

01:03:02.520 Or else nobody's going to do that for you.

01:03:04.880 That's right.

01:03:05.960 That's right.

01:03:07.120 So, we have a big job because we, today, I think it's important, the work that you do as well.

01:03:13.980 And you're looking into history and art and all these things and sharing that with people.

01:03:19.260 Because we have to cultivate these things and nurture the cultural tree, our culture tree, if you will, for future generations.

01:03:27.020 And it's a huge job, right?

01:03:29.280 And then some people say, well, our culture is vast.

01:03:31.680 So, which era do we embrace?

01:03:33.480 Well, what do you say about that?

01:03:34.440 Because for me, I always say, well, whatever speaks to you.

01:03:37.220 And, of course, you pull from your own ethnic roots, right? 0.64

01:03:40.520 What do you say?

01:03:42.940 Good question.

01:03:43.860 Yeah, so I think the, probably the best lead that I have is that German Romanticism would be the direction that we would all want to go in.

01:04:00.720 Because they seem to really have everything sort of checked out.

01:04:05.860 They're considering everything.

01:04:07.340 It's very balanced.

01:04:08.200 So, they would be pulling even from ancient Mesopotamia.

01:04:13.080 You know, someone like Richard Wagner was very well studied in basically every piece of mythology.

01:04:20.280 He would touch on the things that happened in the Near East.

01:04:23.000 He would touch on, you know, elements in Hellenism.

01:04:26.680 But then also would, you know, imbue the mythology with stuff about, you know, Odin or Wotan.

01:04:32.980 So, there's something about Romanticism and about putting the mystery back in everything and kind of reconnecting with the divine in everything in your life that we've sort of been missing in the West for quite some time.

01:04:48.200 So, I think that all of the influences that the German Romanticists that were trying to revitalize the spirit of Europe during their time, because Enlightenment had basically taken the life out of everything and they were becoming, you know, rootless.

01:05:05.820 I think that that's the biggest lead and that would be the biggest inspiration for me and where I see myself going.

01:05:13.120 I like that.

01:05:14.020 Well, and we're not saying return to the past.

01:05:16.180 We live in the here and now.

01:05:17.700 I've said this.

01:05:18.360 I've heard you say this, too.

01:05:19.200 We're not saying go back to being a 1950s housewife, right?

01:05:22.760 It's not about it's about not forgetting, like, where your people come from.

01:05:28.000 And I always wonder, are we capable of creating art or stories or mythology today that will be viewed as classical in the future?

01:05:37.420 You know, something that incorporates new mythologies and art to remind future generations of the struggles that we went through, our generations now, so that they don't forget.

01:05:49.020 You know, now we have the Internet, you know, which is vast.

01:05:51.680 And so those things can be recorded.

01:05:52.960 But it's like, is it possible to create classics now?

01:05:56.260 We don't know if they're classics, but maybe hundreds of years from now, they'll be viewed as classics.

01:06:00.440 I don't know.

01:06:00.900 What do you think?

01:06:01.480 Yeah, we've most certainly done it before in the past.

01:06:05.380 And there's always a group of people who are unique, like Richard Wagner is a good example, or Homer.

01:06:13.400 And these people have just this drive to, you know, figure out and, you know, like, mythologize our past and create this story and help revitalize culture.

01:06:26.400 That's something that always happens.

01:06:27.840 And these people, honestly, right now are just not being encouraged to do that.

01:06:33.320 But once those people have the go-ahead and we understand culturally where we're supposed to head, we have at least, you know, a semblance, understanding of who it is that we are, because that's been so eroded.

01:06:47.220 I have absolutely no doubt that we're going to start making, you know, some true classics.

01:06:53.980 It's a cycle.

01:06:54.940 We are, you know, we go through different phases where we're, you know, in a low and then we have to, you know, you know, get back together with other people and decide, okay, well, what are we really?

01:07:07.340 So I definitely think it's possible.

01:07:09.200 And actually, I think the internet, yes, can be a bad thing, but you can see how powerful a meme can be or a tweet can be if you just, like, hit on the right energy.

01:07:18.420 And the moment that we start figuring out this spirit, this zeitgeist of who it is we really are, and someone talented comes along and decides, you know what, I want to do something vitalistic and life-affirming, as opposed to something that's nihilistic and postmodern, which is where all the artists are centering their attention right now in, like, the liberal realm.

01:07:37.820 Once somebody with actual real talent decides to take up that route and seriously pursues it, no question.

01:07:49.620 Yeah, you're right.

01:07:50.400 Some memes can be classic.

01:07:51.840 I could see, like, 50 years from now.

01:07:54.500 I could see being an old lady looking back and be like, look at this. 0.92

01:07:57.720 Do you remember this?

01:07:58.920 It summarized exactly what we were going through perfectly.

01:08:02.120 It's not the most beautiful art, but it's, like, it's still classic.

01:08:06.540 There's one story that's very popular, and you have a new video coming out exploring Gothic culture, which I also am interested in, and it's the legend of King Arthur, right, and the Grail.

01:08:21.880 So why is this story so popular?

01:08:23.720 This one seems to never go away.

01:08:26.880 Yeah, it doesn't, and it's remarkable that it doesn't.

01:08:30.720 And obviously, during its time, it was very powerful.

01:08:35.220 And I think the reason why it sticks around is because there's a truth to it, and that's why, you know, the Iliad and the Odyssey is something that still sticks out to us to this day.

01:08:47.760 Or Lord of the Rings, which was inspired by Richard Wagner's Ring Cycle.

01:08:52.460 There are certain mythos that's formed that is almost more true than history, and it's this ability to take the past and amplify all of the aspects of it that are important, because history is basically a recounting of the past that's very secularized.

01:09:14.800 You kind of remove, you kind of remove, it's like very mathematical, if you will, it's very scientific.

01:09:19.480 But when you properly mythologize something that happened in the past, it can echo through the ages, you know, forever.

01:09:29.360 And so this particular story is one that, you know, during the medieval era, communicated something really important to people about, you know, your lineage, and was very life affirming.

01:09:45.780 And in terms of, you know, enlightenment, its meaning sort of changed over time, what it meant to be enlightened.

01:09:53.700 But the story of the Holy Grail kind of gives us an insight into what that used to mean.

01:09:59.780 So, yeah, it's popular just because I think it's so true.

01:10:04.580 There's obviously something true about it.

01:10:07.840 Yeah, and it's always the quest for eternal life, right?

01:10:13.140 Yes.

01:10:13.540 Youth and vitality, and there's something transformational about that, alchemical, and I think we all want that journey, right?

01:10:22.660 This can't just be it, right?

01:10:24.320 We want more.

01:10:25.600 We want to evolve into something greater, and I want that personally, and I want that for our, you know, ethnic racial family as well, right?

01:10:34.660 I think that there's a spirit, also a spiritual reason why we're here, and why we exist, and it's not just to, you know, go view poop on a plate in some gallery.

01:10:45.660 Yes, yes, and so I actually think that exactly, you know, the narratives and the mythos that we have today takes us away from that.

01:10:54.840 And it's interesting that people during, you know, they were intrigued by this mythology of the Holy Grail and the Knights of the Round Table, and it was very life-affirming.

01:11:05.100 And so I really do think that we can gain some insights from that mythology, and maybe it's something that needs to be re-mythologized and, you know, told to our children so that they can, you know, understand why that quest is important.

01:11:19.060 Because now that we've abandoned that, I mean, you know, we're, you know, letting all of these people from the third world in, and it seems that those people understood that family was important, and that lineages in your bloodlines were a very, very, very important thing.

01:11:35.080 Absolutely.

01:11:35.760 And other people believe this.

01:11:38.020 All kinds of other people on the planet believe this.

01:11:40.660 We're not unique to believe this.

01:11:41.860 Now, in your view, last question, what are ways that you think we can uphold our culture, our ancestors in our modern era?

01:11:52.780 Because this is important to me.

01:11:54.240 It's a form of resistance by upholding our true, you know, culture and our ancestors and not forgetting them.

01:12:00.460 Yes, yes.

01:12:01.200 Good question.

01:12:02.160 I think it's really the children.

01:12:07.320 Those are, you know, the people that are really being targeted the most.

01:12:10.800 You'll see the BBC making this erroneous claim that Black people had this big part in British, you know, history when they did it.

01:12:23.000 Why are they doing that?

01:12:23.940 They're doing that because they know that it's the children that are the most persuadable.

01:12:29.720 So if we're going to, you know, revitalize our culture and we're going to, you know, rekindle the spirit of Western civilization, it's going to be reclaiming all of our institutions or making our own, understanding that culture is important, not looking at art as entertainment.

01:12:50.000 And, and, and to be more mindful of that consumption, but then, yes, you know, using art as a means to help children understand what their past was.

01:13:03.560 And, and, and to tell them these important stories.

01:13:06.220 And I think it's honestly just focusing on them and imbuing them with the, the right values that will end up, you know, saving the West because, you know, they're the future.

01:13:19.980 You should create a fine arts crash course for the school of the West.

01:13:24.500 He's looking for more material.

01:13:25.560 Oh, thank you.

01:13:26.220 That would be cool.

01:13:26.740 No, I think that would be great for like homeschoolers to have as part of their, you know, education, their, their toolkit.

01:13:33.160 If you would love to, I think that would just be awesome because it's like most of us, we, you know, we don't know like all of art history and like, where do you begin and all that.

01:13:40.840 But that would be something that's really needed.

01:13:43.340 I think.

01:13:44.420 Yes.

01:13:44.860 I actually create a course.

01:13:46.280 Yes.

01:13:46.580 I'll have to put you in touch with them.

01:13:48.200 Tell us about your new video podcast series.

01:13:51.060 I know you're kind of examining the current state of Western civilization, exploring how modern liberalism and all these woke narratives are influencing and demoralizing and controlling our identity.

01:14:02.740 Tell us about what you've got going on and how people can find you.

01:14:06.440 Well, yes, I have a YouTube channel and it's, it's kind of a silly art project.

01:14:13.060 It's kind of a silly, it's kind of a silly art project, but at the same time it is informative and I like to do things in, you know, an unconventional manner because, you know, censorship, you know, when I started the channel was really kicked up a notch.

01:14:26.780 And so I like to address things in a more subtle manner.

01:14:33.020 But, but yeah, I just honestly.

01:14:34.520 Yeah, I don't know anything about that.

01:14:36.620 The channel is just generally speaking a kind of more subtle way to, to talk about these really complicated questions and really just address, you know, who it is that we are.

01:14:48.460 Why are we having these problems in relation to culture?

01:14:52.920 Because politics is important, it is, but I think it's politics that's downstream of culture and I've known this for quite some time.

01:15:00.760 And so if you're able to change the culture and understand it and talk about it properly, then, you know, people will vote correctly.

01:15:10.760 So that's kind of the aim is to, is to touch on identity and that's what my channel kind of does, it has to do.

01:15:17.980 I love those little TV segments.

01:15:20.000 That's kind of fun.

01:15:21.140 Oh, thank you.

01:15:22.540 A lot of little acting going on in there too.

01:15:24.500 And it's fun.

01:15:25.020 You have to be creative.

01:15:25.980 You have to think outside the box.

01:15:27.500 You have to be artistic.

01:15:28.960 You can't just come at this and like be just like dry and to the point.

01:15:32.920 It's totally serious all the time, you know.

01:15:34.800 We're the normies.

01:15:35.900 Yes.

01:15:36.560 Yeah.

01:15:36.800 You have to find like, yeah, exactly.

01:15:38.480 You have to find like roundabout ways, interesting ways to convey these topics.

01:15:43.980 Like, you know, because there's a white people are interesting, you know, all kinds of different ways that they need to be reached, you know, all kinds of different personalities and weird little hangups. 0.96

01:15:55.320 Yes.

01:15:55.840 And it's valuable to be direct.

01:15:57.900 It 100% is.

01:15:59.500 But it's also valuable to have a different approach for people that, you know, kind of need to have the seed planted, if you will, and kind of think that they're the ones who came up with the idea.

01:16:11.040 Some people are like that.

01:16:13.380 It's a healthy subvert, well, subversive, subversive, not really subversive.

01:16:18.340 I think it's a good, I think it's, it's a really important thing to understand how to communicate in an artistic manner.

01:16:27.320 Oh, yes.

01:16:27.580 Which is what I do.

01:16:28.680 Because when you're, when you're speaking artistically, when you're communicating in that manner, you're communicating on multiple different levels.

01:16:37.540 You know, you know, where like logic and reason may, you know, fail most people.

01:16:43.760 You know, it's, it's these other things that really are true.

01:16:46.740 Once they feel them, now it's going to register with them and they're going to understand a lot better.

01:16:52.600 Yeah.

01:16:52.700 And also just having finesse.

01:16:54.180 I think of how the English language, how people used to convey these ideas with this rich vocabulary and these, like, the ways that they would, you know, share their experiences.

01:17:07.540 And things that they were going through or, like, ways that they would insult people that just sounded beautiful.

01:17:13.060 Yes.

01:17:13.960 Like, wow.

01:17:16.580 Yes.

01:17:17.000 Man.

01:17:17.320 We need to take on that approach, too.

01:17:19.420 Yeah.

01:17:19.640 We need, we need to have some subtlety and artfulness.

01:17:22.720 But it's also just as valid to just be, like, cutthroat and just say how it is.

01:17:28.600 Yeah.

01:17:28.980 All depends who you're dealing with and who your target audience is.

01:17:32.280 Yes.

01:17:33.140 Yeah.

01:17:33.280 Well, thank you so much for your time today.

01:17:34.680 It's been a blast getting to know you and hearing all about what you do.

01:17:39.200 And I'm sure we'll see a lot more of you around the internet.

01:17:42.920 Yes.

01:17:43.480 Thank you, Lana.

01:17:44.300 It was really nice talking to you.

01:17:46.820 I'm honestly very flattered that you would have me on.

01:17:49.660 We'll do it again sometime.

01:17:50.580 Okay.

01:17:51.380 Yes, definitely.

01:17:52.300 Thank you.

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Radio 3Fourteen - November 23, 2023

Gifts - Why European Culture, Art and Beauty Matter

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