How Long Will Hungary Resist the Invasion_
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Join Lana and Melissa as they talk about the Alt-Right's Free Speech Rally in Washington, D.C., and what it means to be a conservative in the 21st century. They also talk about how to overcome shyness and become more confident in public speaking.
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Thanks for tuning in. I'm Lana. Just real quick, an audio version of this interview
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is available from redicemembers.com or redice.tv in the 314 section. Joining me from Hungary
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Hi, everybody. Thank you so much for having me.
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Yeah, I actually had you on the show. It was already almost a year and a half ago,
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if you can believe that. I mean, a lot's happened since then. And you look great,
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by the way. You look very different. So what's happened? What's changed?
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Yeah, it's amazing that it's been so long. I was very surprised to get an email from you
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and very excited as well, because really so many things have changed and I've learned so much since
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last year. And I feel like it's a great time to talk about everything that has happened
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and I guess overall I'm a lot more positive and sure of myself. And I'm not that shy as I was when
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I started making YouTube videos, mostly as an experiment to try and better myself and get over
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my fear of speaking in public. And so, yeah, I also lost weight, which I guess that's what you're
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referring to when you say that I look good. But yeah, I lost 45 pounds.
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Looks great. Well, you know, I think it's not only just weight, but you can tell when people are more
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confident or more bold. I mean, you can see it on them and it makes them more appealing,
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makes them more attractive, right? Yeah, absolutely. And I am very grateful for
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doing YouTube videos, even though I haven't been focusing on that much in the past couple of
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months. But yeah, it really, really helped me. And I think it's a fantastic outlet for anybody
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who wants to try and do something new and really learn more about themselves and learn to interact
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with people. I really suggest making YouTube videos, even if even if you never get a lot of
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views. It's it's definitely a great hobby. It can be really rough sometimes seeing yourself back.
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You know, you can cringe and be like, oh, my God, I make that move or I sound like that. Or,
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oh, I mean, it's it's painful sometimes watching yourself back and critiquing yourself back. I mean,
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we're our own worst critic. But that's how you overcome things. And that's how you improve yourself.
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It's kind of it's a painful process, especially when you're doing it publicly. And
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everyone can comment on things. And it's like, OK, let's put a camera on you for, you know,
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a lot of your life and see how you change and see your weaknesses and see your strengths. But
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something about the camera really points those things out, doesn't it?
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Yeah, even now I'm nervous. So but I'm trying not to be. Yeah.
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Yeah. Overcoming shyness is really difficult. That's a hard one. I was really shy when I was a
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little girl. And I know my husband was really shy, too. And here we are now. So I guess people do
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overcome those. There's actually a lot of people who are on our side on the alt-right who are more
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of a quiet, reserved personality. That's something I've noticed. And that's why I think I'm able to
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get along with a lot of people better. I'm able to have conversations with them because
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they're all there are these very quiet but genuine people. And that's not something that I see every day.
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We have a really great gang of people, I think. Yeah. And I think in general, people
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more on our side are more introverted and reserved in different ways. Generally, it's always been the
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left has kind of been loud and annoying and crazy. So just because we're not loud doesn't mean that
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that we don't exist. We're just we think about it a little more before we act and we're loud,
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you know. Yeah, as it should be, of course, acting on immediate emotions is never a good idea.
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Now, before the show, we were actually live streaming the free speech rally. A bunch of
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alt-right people got together in Washington, D.C. Were you able to see any of that on our feed? I
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know I kind of I sent you the link kind of last last minute. Yeah, I caught like the last second,
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unfortunately. Well, it was pretty cool. There's a lot of alt-right people just out there just
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blatantly talking about, you know, white interests and groups that are working against us and how we
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should be able to criticize everyone. Right. Which is a major breakthrough, because as we know,
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in America, there are certain groups that are protected and you can't speak against. So
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to me, you know, this is true progress. I mean, this is this is great that there are actually
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protesters this time. Yeah, I guess there were a couple. But then, you know, all our guys would
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get together and tell them, take a shower, take a shower or, you know, no commies, commies off our
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streets, you know, or shame. I mean, it's great. I love seeing all these guys and gals get together
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like that and just be out in the public, you know. Yeah, that's good. They're not they're losing their
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power than these Antifa groups. Doesn't seem like they're going to be violent anymore. Yeah, exactly.
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Especially when they know that, hey, these rightists are openly talking about punching back. So maybe
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we better think about this. You know, it is war after all. I mean, is there is there really rules
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in war? I don't know. Yeah. And then there was a lefty that showed up to a fake who's all see Kyle
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during one of the talks and is like all the press, all the press sees them and then run over to him
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with their cameras right away. That's what they want to capture. Is this all fake? You know,
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I really hope that they're not going to try to depict it as a legitimate like right is right
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person. I it seems like it would be quite a see-through charade if they attempted that.
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Now, what's going on in Hungary? Give us an update because Hungary is always praised by a lot of
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alt-right people. We know a lot of Americans that have moved over there. What's going on with the
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migrant situation and politics? Yep. Well, the last time that we talked a year and a half ago,
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Fidesz, which is the ruling party, they were at the height of their popularity. They were,
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they could have done pretty much anything and people would have supported them.
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They did a great thing by building the fence, by deciding to take a hard stance against migration,
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even though in the beginning they kind of hesitated. They weren't sure if they wanted to
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to make that move. But, you know, their popularity soared. Now, however, it's pretty much shot back
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down again because there were a number of promises in relation to migration that they weren't able to
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go through with, mostly because of EU interference. Even right now, there's this constant ongoing battle
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with the EU over the migrant quotas. I'm not sure if you've been following that that much, but yeah,
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you know, the EU wants to sanction Hungary and the Czech Republic and Poland because they refuse to
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take in these migrant quotas. And I'm not sure if, I don't think the verdict has been released yet. I
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think they're still arguing about it. But a lot of people are losing their hope in the government on
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this. They're just getting really tired of it. And in the meantime, the other political parties are
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attacking the government, mostly on basis of corruption. That is the main strategy that the
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other parties use to weaken the government because they can't really hit the government on ideology,
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especially the right party, Yobik, which is more right wing than Fidesz. Ideologically,
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both of the parties are pretty much the same. You know, they're both anti-immigration, conservative,
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traditional family values, anti-LGBT. So the only thing that Yobik can use to differentiate itself
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from Fidesz is to say that they are anti-corruption. They are not corrupt at all. And it's been an
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effective strategy, I think, because I think there are some legitimate scandals within the
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government. And the other parties are using these things to the best of their ability. So in my
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opinion, although the government tries to hide it, I think they're definitely losing power. And the
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next election, which is next year, I think they're going to lose their majority, personally.
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As for migrants, I don't know. Yeah, exactly. Tell us, is there a border fence going up? What's
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happening there? Or did it go up? Well, the official law in Hungary right now is that if a migrant is
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captured within Hungary, but within a certain, I think maybe eight kilometer distance of the border
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fence, they can be captured and taken back to the Serbian side, just, you know, thrown back,
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basically no questions asked. However, I think, I think asylum seekers are allowed to, you know, hand in
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their asylum requests at a specific border checkpoints. And the government, you know, officially
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is, has to handle these matters. As for, as for the country itself, last year, the situation was
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absolutely disastrous. I think I touched upon that a year and a half ago when we talked about
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migraine crisis. But most of the migrants are gone. And I'm not really sure where they went,
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because the camps are closed. So they're not in the camps. And I'm not sure if they disappeared off
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to Western Europe, if they if they managed to sneak off, which doesn't really seem likely, or if they
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were just taken in by Hungary, or if they were just deported, and like in a hush, hush way. But I do,
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I do notice that there's a lot more diversity in Budapest in the past two years, which did not exist at
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all. Before. And yeah, seriously, it shocked me. Even a year ago, just walking around the city, I would
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see in the eighth district, so many kebab shops, like one after the other, I even saw like a halal meat, meat
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shop, all these Turkish stores, and that did not exist at all two years ago. So also, it's interesting
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bit of news that, that I sort of like to tell people, but about half a year ago, they found a
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Wahhabist prayer room in the basement of the kebab shop, and they were harboring illegal refugees.
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So just to realize that something like that is happening in Budapest is kind of dispiriting.
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And it makes me wonder, I guess it makes anyone wonder what else might be happening unseen, not
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just in Budapest, but all across Europe. Now, how did the locals respond when they heard that story?
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It didn't make major news. That's the interesting thing. And it was only in Hungary, and I didn't see
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any English language media picking up on it. But it definitely made its rounds around media. And I
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had a lot of friends who shared it, and they were very, very frightened, actually. Hungarians,
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they genuinely do not want migrants, especially illegal migrants. Hungarians are very law-abiding
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people. Unless they're pushed really to their limits, then they can go crazy and have a revolution.
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But they're very law-abiding people. And in general, they hate anyone who does not follow the law. And
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for them to see illegal migrants getting such praise and attention in Western Europe for being
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illegal, for not following the law, that really, really frightens them, and it disappoints them. And
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they really don't want that to happen here in Hungary.
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Now, how loud are they? I mean, we've seen some footage in Poland with protests. And what about
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Hungary, are they protesting any of this? Yeah, there are protests. Mostly the protests
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in Hungary are connected to national holidays. So what Hungarians do is they try to make patriotic
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protests instead. They don't want the protests to come across as very negative or very frightening
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to regular people, because Hungarians are trying to promote patriotism in a positive way.
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So, yeah, there are definitely anti-immigrant elements. But they make that seem as like a natural
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part of patriotism and traditionalism. And also they protest the LGBT, the CEU university. I'm not sure
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if you're familiar with that story. It was quite big in Hungary. It still is. George Soros University
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is getting attacked in Hungary by the government. They're trying to ban it and get rid of it,
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which I support, but a lot of people don't. That's another major source of protest.
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And right now, there's a gay pride parade coming up in Budapest, I believe, in two weeks. And that's
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been the main focus right now of these patriotic groups and the nationalist groups in Hungary.
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They're making the rounds on Facebook, writing lots of articles about how they would like to stop it
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and about the need to promote traditional values instead. So Hungary is still very conservative.
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I know that's exactly what I wanted to say, is that even last year's pride parade is so tame.
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You know, there's footage of it on YouTube and it's just so tame compared to what you see in other
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countries. It's just some people wearing colorful clothing, you know, holding some signs and they
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just walk around and listen to some music and that's it. They don't really dare do anything else in Budapest.
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In San Francisco, they're just literally having sex on the streets during Pride, you know?
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Yeah, wearing like leather masks and bringing children into it.
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The ball in the mouth. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy.
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Now, how radical is Viktor Orban? I mean, we hear him talk against Islam all the time. He said some
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great things in defense of Europe and against mass immigration, but how radical is he really? Is he
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really against immigration, like massive immigration?
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I believe that he is a sincere politician and I've read a lot of his speeches and I think the
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problem is that people, not everyone in his party agrees with him and there are some harmful
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characters in his party which take away too much attention from Orban himself, but I believe that he is
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definitely a very sincere person and he's not just talking about values. He really lives what he
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speaks. He's a very, you know, upstanding family man with five children. He's been married for a very
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long time. His children as well are very, very lovely Christian kids and yeah, so he's a good role
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model in my opinion, but he's been losing power recently because of these corruption scandals. I see now
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there's footage of the George Soros University shutdown clash. Now, what kind of corruption are we talking
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about? You've mentioned corruption scandals. What kind of things? Anything that it's just general
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stealing, you know, the government steals the money of people and the government had some projects that
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didn't work out. Stadium building and hospitals and mostly it's not even Orban. It's the thing is that
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Orban, he cannot really be attacked because he's an incorruptible person. In my opinion, it's the other
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members of his party to lesser known members of his party that are getting really, really heavily
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attacked and I think that is causing some infighting behind the scenes as well. But yeah, it's just,
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it's like these very basic attacks that the government is stealing and they're not using tax payer money
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efficiently. They're not, they're not using it efficiently on, on hospitals, on roads and
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infrastructure. Instead, they're sort of, you know, spreading it around on unfrivolous things.
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What? Government? Wasteful spending in government? Shocking.
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Yeah. But it, it, it really affects Hungarian people. I mean, it-
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They should be. They should be irritated about that. Yeah.
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Yeah. It does persuade them very effectively. Mostly because Hungary, I'm not, I don't know if
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Hungary is like a victim complex, but Hungary because of its past is not as rich obviously
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as, as Western Europe. And a lot of Hungarians have been emigrating to Western Europe. The
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UK, for example, has hundreds of thousands of Hungarians. I think. Yeah. London, it has
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a population of maybe over a hundred thousand Hungarians who work there. And it's, it's not
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really good for the country. And colleges now, young people, especially in the liberal colleges,
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they're kind of being pushed almost to, to leave the country. And they're getting a lot of negative,
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um, information or they're, they're told that you can't really live and be successful in Hungary.
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You have to go West if you want to have a good life.
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Oh, great. So they're taking some of the conservative people and then they poison their
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mind once they, you know, move to Western Europe and go to these universities. And to me, in my view,
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going around Eastern Europe and thinking in terms of Hungary, it's better to be in a country that
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doesn't have a lot of wealth because then, yeah, because then you're not having so many
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migrants that want to come there and so many people that want to mass migrate there for a lot
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of the, uh, lucrative welfare systems. Right. I mean, do you guys have a pretty lucrative welfare
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system or? No. See, and that's, that's, that's a good thing. Actually, those wouldn't be the
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countries you'd want to live in because then the migrants wouldn't want to come stay there.
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You cannot live on welfare here. You would, you'd be starving pretty much. You have to work.
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You have to do something productive and constructive if you want to live in Hungary.
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Um, and the funny thing is, is that last year, sometimes I would talk to the migrants that I
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saw in my town and one of them, he was actually complaining to me about only getting 300 euros
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a month from the government. And that was just sort of cash, you know, that you got to spend
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on whatever. He, he got free housing and, and, uh, medical attention. He was like 300
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euro. It's not enough. I want to go to Sweden. And he actually told me, uh, in broken English,
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this very hilarious story about how he actually managed to reach Sweden. He snuck off to Sweden,
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but he was caught at the border and the Swedish police, uh, brought him back to Hungary because
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he had been fingerprinted in Hungary. I'm surprised I didn't take him in, surprised I didn't take him
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in and say, Hey, we'll, we'll give you more money. Oh, you're only getting 300. Poor baby. Come
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here. We'll give you six, you know, 600 more like, I don't know. Yeah. That's so irritating. You see
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footage of them and they're complaining and they're measuring up which country is giving them more
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Gibbs. And I mean, it's obvious they're economic migrants. These are not men fleeing from war.
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They're all men. Now, when you talk about the diversity in Budapest, is it mostly male?
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Is it Islamic? Is it Asian? Is it African? What is it that you're seeing there?
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It's, um, it's African. I would say, um, it's 50, 50. I would say African and Islamic. Um,
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the, as for the Islamic half, I would say it's, um, more like 80% male and almost all of the
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female Islamic migrants that I've seen. They all have children. All of them are pushing
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baby carriages. Of course, you know, just by looking at them, it's difficult to tell if
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they are illegal migrants or if they're illegal, but the ones that are scrawny looking, um, males,
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it's probably illegal. And they're primarily in the eighth district because that used to be the
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poorer area of Budapest. And there's a lot of, uh, old rundown apartment buildings there. There's
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also, um, like a migrant shelter there so that that's where they like to gather. Um, yeah, that's
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pretty much the situation. Now, talking about these quotas, what do you know about these quotas
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that are being forced on, uh, Hungary and other Eastern European countries? Do you know what it
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even entails? Do you take in this many or else what? Oh, that's the question. Like, what is the
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sanction going to be? Um, it's probably going to be some sort of money sanction. Um, Hungary is not
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going to get as many EU funds, in my opinion, or they're going to be forced to pay a very large sum
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of money for each migrant that they refuse to take. So I think, I think is one of those two things.
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I've been hearing those two versions for quite a while. And this, this quota, um, battle has been
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ongoing for over a year when, when the EU invented it. I think it was, I think that was about the last
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time that we talked over a year ago when they had come up with the plan to spread all the migrants
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around Europe as, as the ultimate solution instead of just sending them back. Now, there was an article
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I saw recently, six Eastern European countries are pledging military cooperation. They want to fight
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back against these quotas in the EU. Let's see, what were the countries? Uh, Czech, Austrian, Croatian,
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Slovak, Slovenian, and Hungarian. They're basically, uh, doing a joint action plan to fight
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against some of these quotas that the EU is enforcing and to have their own immigration
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policy, what they want. They're believing in nationalism. They don't want EU power. Have
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you heard about any of this? I haven't heard about this particular article, but, um, for
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the Visegrad group, which is Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, and Poland, it's been a group
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that's been around for 25 years, I think. And it only became very strong recently with the
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migrant crisis. And they also have military cooperation going on. Um, police and army members
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from various countries have been traveling to the Hungarian border to help guard it. Um,
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and I've known that the Visegrad group has been courting Austria, Slovenia, and Croatia, uh, for help,
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to see if maybe they could form a larger united group in some way. And I'm, I'm really curious. I'm
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excited to see what might happen in the future with this. Although a lot of the more serious
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analysts don't really think this, this unity is going to come about. They don't really think that
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central and Eastern Europe is strong enough to form, um, a group powerful enough to take on the
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EU and Western Europe. Why, why is that? Why are they not strong enough? Why are they not as rich?
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What, what is, what is the problem? What needs to change? You know, Eastern Europe, Hungary,
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everyone always says, you know, Western Europe's more powerful, they're richer than Nordic countries.
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What's gone wrong? Is it because of, uh, years of communism in the Middle East, uh, in the East? I
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mean, have they not been able to pull themselves up? I mean, what's happened there?
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It's not just communism, but it's centuries and centuries of war. Um, Europe, Eastern and Central
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Europe faced constant wars with the Ottoman Empire. Um, here in Hungary, in my town, we have beautiful,
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beautiful city center and churches and castles that were destroyed repeatedly over the centuries and had
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to be rebuilt again and again. And this left its mark and it still leaves its mark to this day.
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And, uh, that's why central and Eastern Europe is still poorer than Western Europe, which never had
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to face Islamic conquest. And, um, yeah. And then of course, communism, which I don't, I don't even
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really need to describe, I think. Um, even my, my grandmother, she was born in 1920. Um,
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her husband died in 1945. He was killed in combat and she was left alone with three small children
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and her, her land was confiscated. And the factory that her husband owned, that was also confiscated.
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And she was left with absolutely nothing. And she had to move back to her village and try to rebuild
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her life. But she did live a wonderful life. So I don't know, this is just the first thing that
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that came to mind in, in reference to communism, but this is what Hungarians had to face. They really
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had to face, uh, all of their worldly belongings just being taken from them. Um, they cannot build up
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a strong foundation, a financial foundation for their children. Although I think as we saw really
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bad things there, there did come good things and this allowed families and family bonds to become
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really, really strong because Hungarians, they had really nothing left, just their families.
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So that's what they focused primarily on, on, on survival.
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Yeah, it's true. I think it's the work ethic is different. I mean, Germany was bombed to bits,
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but they were able to pull themselves up. I mean, it's miraculous how they were able to
00:27:19.940
become a powerhouse again, one of the richest countries in the world, you know, when they
00:27:23.560
were bombed to smithereens. But I guess when it comes to Eastern Europe, me being Eastern
00:27:27.500
European myself and, you know, Hungarians, they value family, I think more and, uh, culture
00:27:34.120
and tradition more than a work ethic. I think they don't work as long and as hard and as often as
00:27:40.060
maybe some of the Swedes and, and the Germanics. I mean, this just goes to prove that there,
00:27:44.000
there's differences in, in different ethnicities, right? You know, some, some countries, they work
00:27:49.440
hard and long hours and they're more industrious. And then the other Eastern European countries are
00:27:53.760
more laid back in different ways. They, they enjoy different things. It's like French people.
00:27:57.720
They like to have a lot of wine and cheese and not work a lot, you know, there's differences.
00:28:01.120
Or if you consider Spain and, you know, Southern Italy, that's even more laid back.
00:28:08.260
Yeah. You know, with the siesta time, which doesn't exist in Northern or Central Europe.
00:28:13.260
No, no, they definitely don't have that. Oh, geez. Now, are they as nihilistic,
00:28:18.340
a lot of the young people in Hungary as they are in America?
00:28:23.440
I would say, yeah, absolutely. Um, I, I touched upon before the, the college situation,
00:28:29.840
how young Hungarians are being told that Hungary is a bad place. You cannot be successful here.
00:28:38.260
Um, Hungary is a country that has a terrible history because all we did was lose wars. We
00:28:44.740
were constantly fighting and we were always being conquered. And it was just very depressing,
00:28:50.040
um, to hear that. And that's why a lot of Hungarians move West. But yeah, nihilism, um,
00:28:57.660
Hungarians are pessimistic people. They really, really are.
00:29:02.280
Well, I wonder who is teaching them these things. Who is in the school system? That's actually,
00:29:07.360
you know, is there some warm tongue there that's, you know, poisoning the minds of the youth there
00:29:11.960
in the school or what's happened? Um, I would say mostly it's the, uh, the youth wings of the
00:29:19.140
political groups, especially the liberal groups. And also if, if students are attending a more liberal
00:29:26.800
college, then they, they're being fed this information. Um, I would say some professors
00:29:34.640
also, um, are telling them, at least I, I definitely had two professors of mine who's told me that my
00:29:42.760
degree, um, I'm not really going to be able to do much with my degree. This is just so I can prove
00:29:49.800
to an employer that I'm capable of completing something that takes a bit more time that I have
00:29:57.700
a basic level of patience, you know? So, and they're like, you could, you could do office work
00:30:03.580
with this degree. I have a degree in English, by the way, English language studies. And you know,
00:30:09.220
you could do some writing and translation, but don't really expect much from it. You should go
00:30:14.500
to Western Europe and you might, you might do something better there. That's awful. And telling
00:30:20.140
you to leave your home, basically don't fight for Hungary. It's almost like someone from within
00:30:25.380
wants to destroy it by telling all these youths, right? All the young people like go to Western
00:30:30.000
Europe, go get programmed over there by cultural Marxism. It'll be better for you. Jeez. And also,
00:30:35.800
and also, uh, not just, uh, they don't just want Hungarians to go there to Western Europe for
00:30:41.200
ideological reasons, but because they need cheap labor. That's right. Uh, traditionally, you know,
00:30:46.620
before the migrants came in, it was all, uh, Eastern and Central Europeans who were flocking to
00:30:51.940
Western Europe to work for cheap. Now they're demanding more money. Um, I have many, many friends who
00:30:59.080
go to Germany to work and, and they're complaining actually about the wages. They, they want higher
00:31:04.960
wages. They want better, um, working, uh, standards, better conditions. And a lot of employers are
00:31:14.500
preferring to just, you know, get migrants. Yeah. And this cycle is even cheaper. Yeah. And this cycle
00:31:20.480
is always going to continue. Then the migrants that are there, they come in and be like, Oh,
00:31:23.720
I want more money. And then they'll just keep bringing in new ones and new ones. And that's why
00:31:27.300
these capitalists, yeah, they just, they're fine with just opening the doors because there's just
00:31:31.880
billions of people there that can like come in and be cheap labor. Right. But eventually it's all
00:31:36.800
going to level out and it's just going to be the same price everywhere, which is going to be
00:31:40.620
really expensive. I know it's very disheartening because if you look in London at the job listings,
00:31:46.140
you'll see endless, endless listings for, um, like less qualified, like manual labor jobs,
00:31:53.920
all for Eastern century Europeans or people of immigrant backgrounds.
00:32:00.500
Yeah. I always wondered why, why isn't there more factories in Europe and in Hungary and Russia
00:32:05.860
and the Eastern European countries, even Sweden. I mean, there's great companies making things there,
00:32:10.540
but there's not a lot of factories there because it's so damn expensive to do anything because the
00:32:15.320
government makes it so difficult, but I don't know, maybe Eastern Europe is better. Maybe there should
00:32:19.240
be some, you know, rich Europeans from Western Europe that go and like start businesses in
00:32:24.460
Eastern Europe. Maybe it's easier to do that. I don't know. Is it easy to start a business in
00:32:27.820
Hungary? Oh, that is happening. Um, there have been a lot of great factories, major, uh, international
00:32:34.780
factories, especially cars like Audi, uh, coming here and very, very successful. And I think Hungary is
00:32:43.900
also exemplary when it comes to it jobs. Um, um, the wages here that you can get for being, uh, a really
00:32:51.240
good it person is pretty much as much as you would get in Western Europe. Um, could make a very good
00:32:58.440
living off of that here in Budapest. And I think business is booming actually in Hungary because it
00:33:04.700
has been getting so much attention from tourists. The tourism has exploded in the past two years since
00:33:10.740
the migrant crisis. And, um, um, I think last year there was 17% increase in tourism in one year.
00:33:20.400
And that's fantastic. And I actually visibly see it on the streets. I see massive tour groups that I
00:33:27.480
did not see at all when I had moved to Budapest, uh, in 2009. It was very different, much quieter city.
00:33:34.840
You could stroll around, um, not on the main boulevards and not see huge groups of Japanese
00:33:42.220
tourists taking photos of everything, but now it's everywhere. And, um, of course it's a good
00:33:48.260
thing because I can see that it's bringing in a lot of money and there's so many, uh, great little
00:33:53.320
shops that are cropping up. Um, it tells you that these tourists are coming there because they
00:33:58.780
actually want to see Europeans. They want to see white people in Europe. They want to see what European
00:34:02.800
culture is. They don't want to go to Paris and see a bunch of Africans hanging out by the Eiffel Tower,
00:34:06.940
you know, hitting them up for money and possibly raping them and mugging them. You know, it's funny.
00:34:11.720
I know. It makes me feel really happy seeing, uh, the tourists in Budapest and they're visibly
00:34:16.740
really amazed and they're really happy to be there. And it's a great place to be. I definitely
00:34:22.620
suggest you visit sometime. Yeah, definitely. I have to. So let's talk, let's talk about the women
00:34:28.000
there, Hungarian women. What are they like? Are they more traditional, more liberal, feminist? What's
00:34:32.740
going on? I would say, uh, women in general are more traditional and conservative. Um, even in
00:34:41.740
Budapest, uh, the largest city with the biggest nightlife, but here where I live, which is about
00:34:48.880
140 kilometers away from Budapest, um, you know, people who I work with, um, young girls in their
00:34:59.020
20s, 20s, they're all interested in having families. They all have relationships, um, very
00:35:06.340
normal, traditional relationships. They view, um, casual sex as a very bad thing. Um, they
00:35:14.320
have good morals. They're very close to their families, but I, I see like a little bit of
00:35:20.700
conflict with them because they've definitely been infected by, um, the modern Western culture and by
00:35:29.120
American TV shows like Sex and the City and all that. So it's like they see this marketed on TV
00:35:35.040
and they don't really, they don't really know if, if that's good, if that's what they should aspire
00:35:42.880
towards. So I see a lot of conflict and, and, um, yeah, I hope that it won't affect Hungarians too
00:35:51.940
much. But, um, as for Budapest, uh, Hungarians themselves, yes, they're more conservative, but
00:35:59.920
the city has been getting very liberal. Um, there's lots and lots of stag parties and bachelorette parties
00:36:06.980
in the city and they cause a huge ruckus and, um, the youth, the younger tourists, they're all going
00:36:14.640
clubbing. Uh, there's lots of Brits, uh, for example, and, you know, they're obviously famous
00:36:20.740
for being extremely noisy and, and loud and rude. So yeah, um, Hungarians interact with these people
00:36:29.440
and, uh, it causes some conflicts ideologically. I mean,
00:36:34.160
Oh, of course. Uh, one good thing too, about Hungary. I know some Americans that have moved
00:36:39.020
over there, they actually have right of return. I just did a video about this called go back to
00:36:43.520
Europe and there's some European countries. Cause I remember the first time I had you on,
00:36:46.440
we were talking about this very theme because you spent time in America and you actually went,
00:36:50.580
went back to Europe and there is kind of a trend of that happening, but Hungary actually offers right
00:36:55.500
of return, right? So if you can prove some ancestry in, in Hungary, you can actually apply for
00:37:00.100
immigration and get in. And some people are starting to do that. I've heard from some people
00:37:03.760
actually in Hungary and they're stoked that they did it. They just, they love it there.
00:37:07.520
Now, is that the way that you went back there or were you actually born in Hungary? I can't remember.
00:37:12.560
No, I was born in the United States, but my parents, they're Hungarian immigrants.
00:37:16.960
So, uh, it was quite easy for me to move back. And I moved back here when I was 15 years old.
00:37:24.400
My parents decided that they really wanted to come back. Um, my father, you know, to be completely
00:37:30.120
honest, it's, it's not really the happiest story, but my father, he was very, very sick. Um, he was
00:37:36.460
going to die. He had terminal cancer in the lung and the doctors gave him about a year to live. So
00:37:43.880
he, he was like, you know, I really want to go back to my homeland because I want to die there. And
00:37:51.300
also because all of our family, all of my cousins, um, live here in Hungary. Um, they all stayed here
00:38:00.520
in, in Western, the Western area of Hungary and they're very wonderful, traditional people, very
00:38:07.200
close to each other. And he felt that we would feel a lot better here because in the United States,
00:38:14.540
it was just me and my mother. I don't have any siblings. So.
00:38:19.120
Yeah. Besides, you know, it's all going to hell in America anyway. It's only getting worse. It's
00:38:23.720
only getting more diverse and becoming a third world country in so many of the major cities.
00:38:29.060
You know, they're literally like chasing down the last white people here right now. Now they're
00:38:32.380
sending refugees into white pockets like Idaho and Montana. And it's just, it's ridiculous. Like
00:38:37.240
little podunk towns. They're bringing refugees in there.
00:38:40.820
I know. And I heard about like some crimes that were actually happening in weird places like
00:38:45.480
Montana and Idaho where refugees would attack girls. Like, which is unheard of there. It's
00:38:51.480
like cowboys and potato farmers and mountain men and not anymore. They're trying to change all of
00:38:57.680
You know, one of the scariest stories or one of the scariest things that ever happened to me here
00:39:01.740
in Hungary. Um, I was, uh, walking on the main street and it was kind of in, uh, maybe nine,
00:39:08.640
nine PM. And there was a Somalian guy who just ran up to me and I could tell he was a Somalian
00:39:13.780
because they do have this, uh, characteristic, you know, yeah, they, they have a look. And I was
00:39:19.160
like, Oh my God, what does this guy want from me? And he spoke in very broken English. And he said
00:39:24.100
that he was looking for a bathroom, which, which is good. You know, it's good. That's somewhat
00:39:30.220
progress from last time when you were on, you're saying they were literally pooping in the streets.
00:39:33.740
So yeah. And I was like, well, uh, there's a bathroom in the McDonald's, you know, go, go there,
00:39:39.460
but you have to pay. And he's like, I don't have anything. I don't have any money. Uh, I lost
00:39:44.800
everything because I've been walking, uh, from Serbia. I'm like, Oh my God. Not my problem,
00:39:50.180
buddy. Yeah. And then he said, uh, I need somebody who speaks Arabic. I'm like, well, uh, sorry,
00:39:57.880
I can't help you. I don't think there's anybody. Well, go to a country where they speak Arabic
00:40:02.340
then. Maybe, maybe if you go back home, I didn't say that to him, but that's what I was thinking.
00:40:07.880
I would, I don't think I, I wouldn't be as nice. And then he just ran off, like ran off into the
00:40:15.500
distance. I was, it was kind of scary because once again, here in my town, you know, you're walking
00:40:21.720
around and you think you're completely safe. And then you have people like, like this running
00:40:27.460
around and you don't know who he is or what he wants or where he's going. He's this guy who has
00:40:34.220
absolutely nothing. And he's just running loose. He literally doesn't have a toilet to poop in,
00:40:40.520
you know? I mean, it's just like, I mean, no white guy would be, Hungarian guy would be coming up to
00:40:44.980
you begging for change so he can go do number two in McDonald's. You know, it's just like,
00:40:49.220
what is happening here? Like just deport these people. That's one of the freakiest things that ever
00:40:53.440
happened. God, geez. Send them back. Now, do you have SJWs in Hungary too, who yell, you know,
00:41:01.180
racism, anti-Semite, all that garbage. Do you have any level of that there? Oh, great.
00:41:07.460
They don't, they don't go out onto the streets. They're not that brave to do that. Some of them
00:41:15.000
do protest, but the protests are very weak. They're not very vicious or aggressive.
00:41:22.700
It's just a bunch of people who go out on the street and do a little walk and then they go back
00:41:28.500
home. They're really not frightening. And I think they know that they don't have any chance of making
00:41:37.800
any political change or advancing their views in that manner. So they don't even try. They're
00:41:45.060
mostly active on the internet, I think. Yeah. Well, it's just good. Before I let you go, I have to ask you
00:41:51.580
a little bit about self-improvement. That's been a big theme for you in your life in the last year.
00:41:55.420
So what does that mean? What are we talking about when we talk about self-improvement? I know a lot
00:41:58.840
of people in the alt-right have been talking about this theme. So why is it important to you? What does
00:42:03.360
it mean? I think it's primary importance to the alt-right right now. We need to have not just articles
00:42:15.040
or focus on the outrageous things happening in our culture and generating a lot of anger and shock
00:42:25.120
in our readers. But we need to have an outlet, like a positive outlet for them that inspires them
00:42:32.480
as well and helps them from communities, local communities. And I got this idea after reading
00:42:43.040
a number of comments on various articles of an alt-right theme. And one of the articles was about
00:42:51.180
migrant crime. And there was a person in the comment section and he wrote something along the lines of,
00:42:57.680
I am just too tired to feel outrage anymore. There's been so many terrible things happening.
00:43:05.040
And I want to know what to do, where to go beyond this. Like, what is after this outrage? What can I do?
00:43:14.340
How can I actually progress? And that really made me realize that a lot of people
00:43:20.100
who follow the alt-right, they look up to the alt-right. They want to be inspired.
00:43:27.120
They want this movement to help them personally, on a personal level. And that's why I think it's
00:43:34.640
really important for us to give them a sound ideology as well and to make them feel like
00:43:44.780
they're part of a real positive community that's making real change around the world.
00:43:51.120
Exactly. And it starts by finding each other in real life, but also, like you said,
00:43:56.800
positive, constructive things, fitness, appearance, attitude, spiritual connection,
00:44:02.860
you know, folk having groups, having a brotherhood, a sisterhood, meeting in real life so you can be
00:44:07.560
there for each other. That's where the magical synergy happens. And then from there, then we can
00:44:13.340
start talking about real change. And that's why I was pleased today to see, you know, the guys out on
00:44:17.980
the streets there in Washington, D.C., saying these things with a bullhorn. And that's good because
00:44:21.780
it's letting other people know it's OK to think like this. There's other people who think like
00:44:25.820
this. And if you want to come out and tell people that you think like this, there's a whole group
00:44:29.040
that's going to accept you and take you in. And, you know, here's what we think. Come join the club.
00:44:34.700
But you're right. We do need more positivity, more inspiration, more passion. We have to remind
00:44:40.340
people what they're fighting for because it can become so down and out and people just
00:44:44.880
you get downtrodden in your daily experiences, whether it's diversity or these white anti-whites
00:44:52.840
or taxes or just trying to support your family. Life is hard. So people don't want to hear on top
00:44:59.160
of that a lot of doom and gloom. But unfortunately, we have to look at some of that in order to, you
00:45:03.740
know, fight. But how do you do that through inspiration? We can't just be preaching at people
00:45:07.900
and be depressing all the time either. Right. Yeah. There's like a balanced mix of knowing
00:45:12.640
your enemies and knowing what you're up against and having the tools to prepare for that eventual
00:45:20.160
conflict. But the thing I love the most about the alt-right is that every single person in
00:45:26.520
the alt-right is focused on making themselves better, on bettering themselves. They're genuine
00:45:34.160
people who understand their mistakes and they're always focused on helping each other. And I think
00:45:41.740
that's fantastic. Yeah. It's about improving ourselves. A lot of us look at Europeans or whites
00:45:49.100
as a race and it's sad what we've become and what we've fallen to. And we don't want to be like that.
00:45:54.300
We want to fight against that. We want to inspire some kind of greatness again. We want to make
00:45:59.060
Europeans great again because they've become just in such a sad, awful state. And you're right. I
00:46:04.620
think the alt-right is definitely part of that, you know, changing people's lives. And that's what
00:46:09.540
we want to do. And the left doesn't offer a life-changing experience anymore, do they? It's
00:46:13.340
just, it's really depressing and nihilistic and every day is a battle and a power struggle. I mean,
00:46:19.440
do they have anything to offer versus us? Um, dye your hair purple and, you know, fat positivity
00:46:27.860
pretty much. Now I used to dye my hair all kinds of colors, you know, I was in a band,
00:46:33.320
you know, did all that stuff when I was younger. Do you regret the tats? Do you regret getting
00:46:37.960
tattoos? I get, I get asked that question a lot. If I had to make a choice about getting tattoos now,
00:46:42.640
I wouldn't, I wouldn't get any tattoos, but I accept them because they're part of who I am.
00:46:49.480
They remind me of, of things that I believed in, of the journey that I've been on so far.
00:46:58.320
So that's right. We all have a story. We all got here somewhere. We weren't just born knowing all
00:47:02.580
these things. You know, some of us, you know, you make mistakes in life. That's how you learn. And
00:47:06.740
that's how you end up where you are. And that's okay. Shouldn't beat, shouldn't beat ourselves up
00:47:10.840
about those things. Yeah. And the important thing that exactly is that, yes, um, acknowledge your
00:47:16.180
mistakes, uh, be humble about them, accept them, maybe grieve over them, but, uh, understand that
00:47:24.480
you didn't, you didn't make those mistakes out of evil motives. You were maybe naive. You didn't pay
00:47:31.040
attention. Um, or just sheer propaganda and manipulation. A lot of us probably didn't even
00:47:37.540
live our own lives in our twenties. We're just a product of propaganda. Right. Exactly. And
00:47:43.000
yeah, so it's except, except when you are at fault, genuinely, uh, apologize, grieve over it,
00:47:51.000
but then move on. Yeah. You can, you can always change. You can always change and make things
00:47:55.960
better. You're never, never too old, never too young. You can always improve starting now,
00:48:01.140
you know, that's why it's great. I'm encouraged seeing a lot of young people in the alt-right. So
00:48:04.640
they'll be, you know, wise beyond their years. And I hope that it's a, it holds, it holds for a long
00:48:09.780
time. I hope that some of these young kids aren't rebelling. And then when they're 25, they don't
00:48:13.120
decide, ah, actually I'm going to marry a migrant and vote for communism now. You know, I hope that
00:48:17.420
doesn't happen. No, actually now the rebellion is going to be, I'm going to be completely normal and
00:48:23.460
be in a great marriage and have children and be a wonderful wife or a husband. So that's, that's what
00:48:29.380
rebellion is. Sad that that's what it's become. Yeah. And, and we have to rebel or revolt against
00:48:34.220
this modern world because the modern world is death. Basically it's death. That's where it's
00:48:38.680
heading, you know, the death of our people, our culture, our nation. So it's our duty to revolt
00:48:43.880
against these current systems for sure. Well, it's a celebration of self and that's it. Like
00:48:50.620
nothing else. It's just celebrating yourself and, uh, not focusing on anything beyond that
00:48:57.360
on the future, on the past. It's just yourself. Yeah. Very selfish. And I think, you know, for me,
00:49:04.400
I was isolated a long time. I know a lot of other people are isolated from groups. You know, you kind
00:49:09.640
of get into that libertarian thing in America to individualism, hyper individualism, and it actually,
00:49:15.900
you know, it cheats you out of a lot of things. There, there is a power in being part of a group
00:49:21.380
and that group can actually get things done. And I think that the alt right is, is forming that
00:49:25.700
group that can get things done. We're in the early stages and it's going to become other things,
00:49:28.940
but it's heading in a good place in America. And I think that you have identitarian movements in
00:49:33.360
Europe. I have a lot of hope for the nationalists in Europe too. So do you have hope for things in
00:49:38.020
Europe or do you think it's heading somewhere really dark before light? Well, uh, for the
00:49:44.480
identitarian groups, I think, um, there are some in Hungary, but they aren't that, uh, influential
00:49:50.540
as they are in Austria or as they were in France. But I think what is going to happen or ideally,
00:49:59.400
uh, what should happen is that the alt right and these identitarian groups should sort of melt
00:50:05.340
together and they should just become one because that would give the alt right a huge boost.
00:50:10.820
And yeah, but, um, big picture. Yeah. Yeah. Big picture Europe. I mean, is it do,
00:50:19.480
is it doom and gloom or are we going to rise out of these ashes? What's going to happen? I wish I
00:50:24.340
had a crystal ball. I know, I know, like you said, Hungary, you know, European country, we've been
00:50:28.360
through war. We've been through invasion before. This is part of history, part of humanity. Uh, what do
00:50:34.580
you think is going to happen for Europe? Can we reverse what's happening? Are we, can we win?
00:50:39.460
I'm pessimistic about Western Europe when it comes to France and, uh, England and London.
00:50:47.800
I don't know. I don't think, I think those countries are going to become this multicultural
00:50:52.320
society. Um, Italy right now is bearing the brunt of the migrant crisis. There's hundreds,
00:51:01.300
if not thousands of migrants that are, uh, entering its shores every few days and they're not really
00:51:08.620
doing anything to stop them. There's these migrant aid boats that are just collecting the migrants
00:51:14.820
and taking them off to Italy. And, uh, the funny thing is, is that Libya is the one that's
00:51:22.360
really complaining against this. They're, they're the ones who are complaining, uh, about the migrant
00:51:29.280
rescue boats because they're saying that, um, this is just increasing the number of people smugglers
00:51:36.180
in Libya. And it's just increasing the number of migrants and crime and rape and slavery in Libya.
00:51:44.260
And there's just the Italy, uh, and the rescue boats, they're drawing all these migrants towards
00:51:50.540
them. Yeah. And Gaddafi warned about that. Right. And then we came in there and we killed them,
00:51:55.320
you know, Assad's warning about it and they want to come in there and kill him too. So,
00:51:58.340
I mean, ultimately it's a problem with, uh, we have, uh, tribalists from within that are working
00:52:03.640
against us and we have our own white anti-whites and, uh, people in positions of power and a lot of,
00:52:09.380
uh, our boys, cause it's going to be up to the guys to figure out and problems solve how to deal
00:52:13.140
with this are going to have to strike at the root. And if it might even take having a coup in some of
00:52:18.140
these countries, but I don't think it's going to necessarily happen through voting anymore. So.
00:52:23.480
No, uh, you, you, you cannot vote your way out of this. Um, remember last year, the primary focus
00:52:29.580
of, of the alt-right and national nationalist groups was to get Donald Trump into the presidency.
00:52:35.400
That's what we were all focused on. We had, we had the great meme wars on Twitter and on social media
00:52:42.180
and wonderful times, but now people are realizing that, you know, Donald Trump,
00:52:48.840
even if he is sincere, he cannot, he cannot do it on his own. Politicians just don't have the power
00:52:55.480
to make that kind of change. It's really going to be about people, um, regular people waking up,
00:53:03.320
um, over the years and, and the culture changing and enough people just, you know, putting their
00:53:10.600
feet down and saying, you know, enough is enough. Um, I want change. I want real change.
00:53:18.660
And we have a leftist problem. So maybe they can all, we can choose a country where all those leftists
00:53:23.360
can go in Europe, they can all leave there. And then we'll just like keep a huge chunk of Europe
00:53:28.880
for people like us, you know, anything's possible. I think anything can be reversed that, you know,
00:53:33.700
history is unpredictable. A lot of things can happen, but it's time that our side win. And I think people
00:53:38.680
are starting to figure out that, um, maybe the ride has been playing a little too nice, you know,
00:53:45.080
maybe it's going to be time to, you know, get a little, get a little messy here in the future
00:53:49.760
because these lefties, they don't care about rules. They don't care about fairness. They don't
00:53:53.640
care about hypocrisy. They just want to win. And it's time that we start playing like we just want
00:53:57.880
to win too. And I think that that's going to start coming out. I see it happening. I hear people
00:54:01.420
talking like that. Actually, they were talking like that today in the streets of Washington,
00:54:05.240
DC. So maybe it's a primer of things to come, you know, I got to watch the recording of that. But yeah,
00:54:09.960
I mean, the primary battle is, is going to be battle for the minds of people and it's going to be done by
00:54:17.320
people like us, you know, just doing what we're doing, educating others or just trying to make
00:54:24.220
them see, uh, what's really going on in the world. And that liberalism is not helping the situation,
00:54:34.020
uh, to make them see the fault of their ways. And, um, and yeah, it's a cultural battle. It's,
00:54:40.460
it's not a battle that's going to be won by politicians. That's right. We're going to,
00:54:45.800
not, not yet at least kind of organize. We've got to work harder. We have to pull together more
00:54:50.760
resources. Basically we have a lot of work to do. We can't be a time to be selfish. We have to really
00:54:55.820
pull together and get some stuff done. Well, Melissa, thank you so much for being here today.
00:55:01.140
It's a pleasure connecting with you again. I can't believe it's been that long and I hope to meet you
00:55:05.180
in person in Hungary soon. I think that would be fun. Yes. Come on. You have to come. It's so cheap
00:55:09.980
here. You know, you could, you could have beer for like, I'm not sure if you drink beer,
00:55:14.980
but you could have a really great, a really wonderful dinner for like really cheap compared
00:55:20.860
to the U S or Sweden. Well, that's great. Yeah. Cause it's expensive. Exactly. In Sweden.
00:55:26.440
I think we went out one night and like a tiny martini. This was years ago. It was like 15 U S
00:55:31.260
dollars. It was like, it was like water in there, you know, geez. Well also tell people about your
00:55:37.120
YouTube channel and anything else that you have going on. Well, uh, I haven't been focusing on my
00:55:43.320
YouTube channel that much recently, but, um, I would like to change it. I would like to get more
00:55:49.260
professional equipment. Uh, that's definitely what I'm going to buy next. And also my old YouTube
00:55:54.740
videos were about, uh, political commentary, uh, commenting on various, um, scandals, uh, social
00:56:04.300
justice warriors, feminism, and I would like to try a more positive approach. I really would like to
00:56:11.800
work more on self-improvement and on, on helping people and on making a more positive impact rather
00:56:19.400
than just, uh, commenting sarcastically on, on various things. So. Yeah, it's good. We got,
00:56:26.080
we got to mix it up. We got to hit it from every single angle. And, uh, I know a lot of
00:56:30.300
girls in particular, they do respond to more positive content, you know, you kind of draw
00:56:34.980
them in, draw them in that way. Cool. All right. Well, we'll have you back again in the future
00:56:39.120
sometime. So thanks for joining us. Great. Thank you so much for having me. And if you don't
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