How the Migrant Invasion Made Me Become a Trad Wife
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In 2008, she found her way to Heidelberg, Germany where she started her classical career as a soprano. We ll talk about her experience in Germany which led to her realization of current globalist politics, causing her to return to North Dakota to start a family and live a simple life as her Norwegian ancestors.
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Welcome. This is Lana and you're listening to 314 on the Red Ice Network. Joining me
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is a talented singer-songwriter, Nicole Jorgensen. In 2008, she found her way to Heidelberg,
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Germany, where she started her classical career as a soprano. We'll talk about her
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experience in Germany, which led to her realization of current globalist politics,
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causing her to return to North Dakota to start a family and live a simple life as her Norwegian
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ancestors. The story of Nicole Jorgensen up next. Nicole Jorgensen, welcome. Thanks for being here.
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Yeah, thanks for having me. All right, so you have Norwegian roots. So tell us about your
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background, your Norwegian background. Yeah, sure. My family is fourth generation farmers
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from Norway who emigrated to America in the beginning of the 20th century. We have roots
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hailing from Bergen or Bergen on the southwest corner of Norway, but our family actually originates
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from the Trondheim region and then further west into the island of Vickna.
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It's beautiful up there. Yeah. Yes, it is. I was really fortunate to be able to
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meet my family a few years ago during some traveling that kind of helped reconnect the family after
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just about a hundred years since we emigrated. Oh, nice. So do you know the story of why they came
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to America? Yeah. Um, my great grandfather Axel was, um, looking for, for land. Like I think a lot of
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people were during that, uh, that great, um, immigration period. There was, uh, abundance of
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property in the Dakotas. And, um, he came over with originally, uh, his, his two brothers and a sister.
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And the Homestead Act in, in North Dakota particular gave people the opportunity to
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homestead and build on a quarter of land. And if they were able to, uh, manage to endure the
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hardships of the plains and the prairie, they were granted then that land. So he came back,
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um, or he went back to Norway after, uh, a year and married my great grandmother. And, um,
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they came with their firstborn. So Norwegian on both sides then. Yeah. Great. Yes. Yep. Uh-huh. Um,
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and it's actually the family of the, of my great grandmother who's, so it's a maternal, um,
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line that's, that's still well and living in Bergen, Norway. So then did you, is your husband
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also Norwegian? Because it seems like there's pockets like Minnesota and the Dakotas where
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different Scandinavian people went and they've been able to stay pretty Scandinavian in some of
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those areas too. Yeah. Yes, he is. Um, he is, he has also a little bit of German background as do I.
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Um, but mainly both of us, I believe are three quarters Norwegian. Um, and in the,
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the city of Minot, North Dakota, there is an annual Norse Kustfest celebration every year. It's the
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largest Scandinavian festival outside of Scandinavia in the world. Wow. I didn't know about that one.
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Yeah. And what do they, what do they do at the festival? They celebrate our Norwegian heritage.
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They celebrate, uh, different types of foods. There's a Viking reenactments, there's concerts.
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I actually sang with the, the Norwegian, um, singer Sissel one year when she was visiting and it's just a
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weekend celebration of, of our Scandinavian heritage. Amazingly enough. That's really cool. I love,
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I love hearing that. So what is life like in the Dakotas? I know there's a lot of people who are
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eyeing it because there's so much land and, uh, it's pretty white up there. So what is life like in
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the Dakotas? Well, you know, I have to say both my husband and I were incredibly fortunate to grow up
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in these tight knit, high trust, mainly white communities. Um, I'd really say that we grew up
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in a bubble. I spent the last decade of my life overseas, um, living in abroad and large cities.
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And I never realized how fortunate we were until I came back. Um, we all grew up,
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nobody locked their houses, nobody locked their car doors. Luxury. Yeah. The guys would all go hunting
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in the mornings and they'd drive to school with shotguns in their backs. Nobody, nobody cared or
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had a worry about it. It was, uh, uh, type of accountability and, um, and trust that I just
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took for granted. I thought that that's how everybody grew up.
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Hmm. So then at what point did you get into singing because you're a classically trained
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singer? So how did that happen? Yeah, that's, that's a interesting, um, journey. Well,
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I always sang, I guess my parents tell me that I used to squeal in my crib and now that I have a son
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of my own, I, I'm seeing a lot of the same tendencies. He will just, he will just call to me
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from another room and really play and experiment with his voice as well. So, um, I was singing,
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um, I think I had my first debut at the age of three in our little country church. And then
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when I was five, I won my first country Western Jamboree. Um, and it just evolved from there.
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There's actually a large culture of choral singing that goes along with, uh, a lot of the Protestant,
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Norwegian Protestants that, uh, immigrated here. And that tradition, that rich tradition of,
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of choral singing has been kept up in the communities. So all of our schools and, um,
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a lot of churches and community in the communities still really celebrate choral singing. And so
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throughout my, my adolescence and into my, um, teen years, I was, I was competing and,
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and really able to, to explore some opportunities with that.
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Yeah. Now you also went to Berkeley music school. I have a lot of friends that went there. They
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weren't lefties before they went there. They became, they came out with, you know, just leftist
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programming, you know, the Dakotas. I don't think there's a lot of lefties there. So how was that
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transition when you left the Dakotas and went to Berkeley music school?
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It was horrible. Yeah. Um, I got really lost, you know, I, I was so there,
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I think it's worth mentioning. Um, there's a rootedness here. People are still connected to
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the land and there's a respect for, um, mother nature. There's a respect for the, the cycles
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and the seasons. Um, people understand that, you know, it's what you grow, you also eat. And
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it's a very organic connection still. And when I moved to the cities, I was shocked at this,
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uh, disconnection and I, I struggled incredibly. Um, I also struggled with the diversity and I was
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the only, uh, student from the state of North Dakota struggling for a scholarship, but unable
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in spite of a 4.0. Yeah. You're incredibly talented, but yeah, but your European roots,
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you're not diverse enough for that scholarship, right? Yeah, exactly. It was a incredibly diverse
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school. That was their agenda. I believe at the time that was when, um, Bush was invading Iraq and
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I got swept up in that and was, uh, very, I remember protesting and marching in the streets of
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Mass Ave in Boston. And wow, that feels like an, uh, another lifetime ago, but that, yeah,
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that was the start of my, um, Marxist indoctrination in our, uh, university systems for sure.
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So it got to you basically, you went there at a younger age and it seeped in there by the time
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you graduated. Right. Well, I, I, I fortunately didn't graduate from there. I spent two years there
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and my very, uh, logical, uh, down to earth parents said, listen, child, we'll give you two
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years, but we're not going to let you get $180,000 into debt with a music degree. Yeah. I mean,
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is it really worth it? Because I mean, I, like I said, I knew some musicians, I used to play in bands
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and sing and stuff. They were some amazing musicians. They went to school there, they came
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out and it was like that they became just formulaic musicians. They, I don't know, they lost something
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that was special and unique before. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um, I think that the study of music
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can strip an artist of their, of the reason and the essence of their, of why they create,
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if that makes sense, you know, it, it, it starts becoming like, yes, very formulaic and, and less, um,
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less a part of the soul, unfortunately. Uh, and after two years, I was, I was very much so caught up in
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the liberal agenda and trying to date a mixed race gentleman who happened to lie to me about his
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entire identity. Oh, no. Oh, no. It was just like this incredibly, you know, innocent and ignorant
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country girl gets, wow. The nice Scandinavian girl. Yep. Yeah. Oh, geez. So then I knew in, in 2008,
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you went to Heidelberg, Germany, correct? And that's where you started your classical career as a
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soprano, right? Yes, correct. Yeah. Um, that was, that was really a wonderful, uh, opportunity. I
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started in the, the, um, uh, Staatsche Theater in Heidelberg as a soprano in the chorus, in the opera
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chorus. Um, and I was also teaching on the, on the military base when I started out because I couldn't
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speak German. Um, and as my career progressed in the opera, I, it became apparent I, I must speak this
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language. And so I thought, you know, what better way to learn a culture and a people and about those
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people and their language than, than by being able to speak their language. So I, I really took it to
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heart and it, you know, I had incentive, you know, I needed, I needed to eat, I needed to work.
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It's funny what, what you'll learn. Yeah, exactly. The incentive. So, um,
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yeah, I remember in one of the rehearsals, our, our director giving, you know, conducting the,
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the, the, the chorus and the, the, um, orchestra and I sang completely wrong in the wrong place.
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Oh no. And it was so humiliating. Yeah, that is embarrassing.
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And the Germans are so unforgiving. Oh no. That I thought, my God, I have got to learn this language.
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So, um, I went, yeah, head first, headlong into that. And I just decided that's what I was going to
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do. And within about, um, well also with, with the goal of wanting to get my master's in opera while I
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was there and in order to obtain entry into their graduate programs, obviously you had to be a German
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speaker. So the criteria for, uh, wanting work, wanting to study, wanting to be considered, um,
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for, you know, possibly any, just, just wanting to be considered as a serious person. The Germans took
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a lot of pride in, interestingly enough, a lot of pride in their language. So that's what I did.
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I, I, I learned German, um, and it opened up quite a few doors for me initially. Um, I was,
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I was able to move off of, uh, the military bases, which also was another completely new experience
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for me. I had no idea what type of, uh, presence the U S still had.
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Yeah. Before I could speak German, I got work in addition to singing in the, in the opera,
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teaching music on the military base. And there was about three or four just in the vicinity of
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Heidelberg itself. So there was this incredibly strong American presence.
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Which is weird, isn't it? Like, why are all these military bases just occupying Germany still to this
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day? Yeah, absolutely. Yes. And that was really, I believe the beginning of my starting to ask those
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types of questions. Now, when you were there, did you see lots of immigrants? Yeah. Tell us about this
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process of how you started waking up to what was going on in Germany and Marxism and multiculturalism.
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Sure. Well, um, initially it was a slow indoctrination. Uh, in 2008, we'd had that crash in,
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in the States. I had been farming with my brother and my father and, and made a nice little profit.
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And then we had that economic crash at that time. I was flying overseas, um, to start this new
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adventure. And at the time Heidelberg was also, is also a cultural hub. It's the university of
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Heidelberg is, is Ivy league. It is the old, one of the oldest libraries in Europe. Um, there's an
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incredible amount of, of academia and, um, the cancer research center is there. The Max Planck
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Institute is there. It's, it's teeming with intellectuals. So coming from a farming community,
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uh, that was also very, uh, intimidating. Yeah. I was very, I found it very interesting. Yeah. And
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in 2008, it was more the Americans that were the, the main dominating presence there. As I,
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as time went on, there became more and more talk of closing the bases, closing the bases. And
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I was involved in, in the theater and doing a lot of work off base. So I had already
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integrated relatively quickly into the German culture because of my desire to speak their
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language and, um, my work in the theater. Well, as time went on, I know the Bürgermeister,
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I can't remember who was the mayor at the time, started, um, sending out these plans of what they
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would eventually want to do with the space that the Americans were taking up in these bases
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if they, uh, closed. And I thought, okay, how interesting. Well, of course it's a university
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town, so we could always, you know, use more housing for students and, and for young artists,
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et cetera. And within a relatively short amount of time, I'd say from 2011 until
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2015, they managed to close all of the bases, export all of the Americans. And all of a sudden,
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there was an incredible amount of housing available at the same time that this refugee crisis.
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Oh, what a coincidence, huh? Exactly. Exactly. And I almost couldn't believe what was happening
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before my eyes. Um, I went from singing in, in Heidelberg, in Mannheim, and also then touring
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and performing and performing with my own, um, ensemble in, in France and in, um, uh, Switzerland
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and Austria. And, you know, with, with, uh, with a performing lifestyle, you work nights, you know?
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Yeah. And never, ever did I fear for my safety being, uh, a blonde, blue-eyed Scandinavian woman. Um,
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and slowly but surely as the, as this transition was made, um, in the last two years, I'd say that I
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was there, I started to see a, a significant, a marked increase in, um, um, you know, peoples of
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Northern African descent and a lot more, um, women wearing, um, uh, burqas and jobs. Yeah. A lot of
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people said it felt like it was overnight, like someone just opened the doors and all of a sudden
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there's all these people everywhere, you know, these non-Europeans everywhere. Yeah. It really
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literally was. And, um, I also did martial arts with, uh, pretty serious, um, group of guys who
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were like my brothers. And it was so strange that I started noticing these things and I really found
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that it was only in small circles that one was able to discuss these, these dynamics. Um,
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and in my martial arts circle was one of them. I, I was able to, and they encouraged it and said,
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you be careful and you learn how to defend yourself because this isn't going away. And the
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news isn't covering it. We don't know why, but there's mobs of, there had been an increase in
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violence with Turkish, young Turkish mobs of men, um, attacking Germans. And that had already been
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quite a hot item, political item with all of the Turks that had, um, come into Germany and were
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unwilling to learn their language and still wanting to drain from their social system. And then what did
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they do? They opened the floodgates and all of a sudden I was being stalked on the, um, on the
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Straßenbahn on the street car and had to run into a pizzeria to tell the locals, please, this man is
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following me. I'm frightened for my safety. Yeah. And now most of the pizzerias, at least in Sweden
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are, are owned by, uh, immigrants to pizzerias and kebab shops everywhere. Yeah. It's awful.
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Yeah. And it's been, um, an ongoing conversation with friends of mine that are still there. Um,
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especially women who, you know, we didn't, we didn't think twice about riding our bikes home
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at night. You know, none of us had a car. It's Europe. I mean, it's this great, all these cities
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were built before the automobile. So we were all riding our bikes or, um, taking walks and three
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o'clock in the morning. And, um, you know, one of my girlfriends who is actually from South Africa
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just went back to South Africa because she said she feels safer there. Oh no, that's amazing. I mean,
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well, that's most dangerous countries in the world. Right. Yeah. Oh my God. She said, you know,
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when you're walking through the airport and there's, um, a man, a drunken Arab screaming in
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Arabic at the top of his lungs and you don't know what he's saying, you're, you don't feel very safe.
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And it's just funny how they try and tell Germans who are, you know, such high culture in Germany and
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they're just such innovative people who have brought us so many things. And then they say,
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oh, well, they need cultural enrichment from these Africans and Muslims. I mean, it's just outrageous.
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It's audacious, you know? Well, I mean, you were traveling in the circles, you know,
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classical music scene tends to be, you know, some of the elites, some of the upper class. Now I have
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friends that are also professional musicians, a friend who's probably listening and professional
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violinist. And she always talks about how it's just tons of lefties now in the classical music
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scene. Maybe it's always been that way. And some of these things she tries to talk to and she's,
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she's pretty much all on her own when she tries to bring up some of these conversations.
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Now, what did you find amongst the elite in Germany and were they talking or noticing any
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of these things? I don't know how a lot of these upper class elites can feel good about seeing all
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these third worlders in their town, you know? You know, that's a really interesting question to
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bring up. There's a couple of different sides to that. In and of itself, I became disillusioned with
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the, with the music industry. I just decided that, um, that wasn't necessarily what I thought it was
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going to be. And I, I think for good measure, I, I loved the time I spent in, um, in classical music,
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but I noticed that the productions were becoming more and more graphic. I noticed that the theater
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was using more and more nudity and vulgarity. I noticed that the staging was similar from
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Frankfurt to Heidelberg to Berlin. And I just could not get on board with, uh,
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nudity on stage. I don't care what the, the, um, the rhetoric is, you know,
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kind of more like a Weimar Republic. I don't know if you've looked into what was going on then or
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just total degenerate art. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, like Berlin was the hodgepodge in the thirties.
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And, um, and I said to myself, okay, if that's the price I need to pay to go on stage and to be a
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leading act, then that isn't, um, worth it. That isn't worth it. I'm worth more than that.
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A lot of the other experiences I had, um, were younger singers, um, being exploited by producers
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or, you know, Hey, just whatever they could get away with. And, you know, so after I put my foot
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down and I said, I won't be performing with, you know, under these and these circumstances,
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then I kind of, I kind of, um, found myself out of work a little bit. And that's actually what led
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me into the other direction of the healing arts and integrative medicine. Um, because I just was
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unwilling to, uh, yeah, it's frightening when you realize that the arts is just completely
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infiltrated and run by Marxists. I mean, it is, and we have to create our own arts. And that's
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why I'm happy to see that amongst the alts, right? Meeting all kinds of talented people such as
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yourself, which is good because we need a cultural, our own kind of resurgence of culture and high
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culture. Again, the other thing I hear from, uh, friends that perform in the orchestra is that
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they're saying white people aren't attending as much anymore to the symphony and the orchestra,
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uh, and Asians are starting to attend and Asians are even starting to play in the orchestras. I don't
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know if you've had any experience with that. Oh, yes. It was a huge problem in the chorus. Most of our
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chorus was Korean. And I'm not sure if, well, this part of the bone structure of a singer's face
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makes up for what they call the mask. Um, and the resonance and the vibrations of the mask of the,
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the sinus cavities and of your different, um, facial bones create a different, um, brighter,
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you can have a brighter mask, you have a darker mask, you know, depending on, on your technique
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and, uh, a typical Korean, this is going to be so politically incorrect.
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They have stumpy little noses and flatter faces.
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They have, they have a larger head and there's more room for resonance there, but it isn't
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necessarily that just because a person, um, can make a big sound doesn't mean it's more beautiful.
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Yeah. And so one of the problems we were running into in the chorus is that we had these giant
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voices that were, they were unable or they weren't used to, um, the finer, the refining their sound
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to fit in with everyone else. It was like everybody was trying to be a solo act in a chorus,
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if that makes sense. And that doesn't work. No, it doesn't. And what language would they
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be singing in? Was it in English or German? These, the Koreans? Well, whatever, um, you know,
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whatever work that we were performing at the time, if, if it was Verdi or, or Puccini or, you know,
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Italian or, or German, just depended on the work that we were doing. And that normally wasn't an
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issue, but it was an issue in the music schools because most German Musikhochschule only has so
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many places available based upon how many, um, opera houses there are, which makes sense. There's 200
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opera houses in, in Germany in comparison to what, I don't know, maybe 20 some in the U S.
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Yeah. So they have their universities, at least there's a little bit of logic in that regard.
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You know, here we just encourage kids to go and throw thousands of dollars into an education where
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they are not guaranteed a job. And, um, there it was dependent upon the open seats or spots in the
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opera houses. And most of them were being filled by Asians.
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Oh, that's just so sad. So sad. And then, you know, if you go to San Francisco and you go to
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the symphony, there's plenty of Asians performing. I'm like, how is that not cultural appropriation?
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People are trying to deny that classical music is from Europeans now.
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Yeah. It's interesting. You brought up about the resonance and the face and singing and bone
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structure. That must be why I heard a Barbra Streisand because she has a fairly large nose.
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That's why she never wanted to get a nose job because it would completely change the sound.
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Right. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, people will talk about that all the time. And
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in pop music, one of the reasons why there has to be such a high turnover rate is because
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the amount of the incredible amount of pressure and strain that's put not only on the vocal
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chords, but on the on the on the schedules of the singers, I mean, from Adele to Keith Urban to I
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mean, the list goes on and on of of those who have had to have surgery because there's just it's just
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not natural. You're not supposed to be be performing that much.
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So and also you've done more of a modern song we're going to play later. Got to clear my head.
00:30:44.920
We'll end the show with that. So tell us about that music that you're doing now that's up on SoundCloud.
00:30:50.820
Oh, sure. Yeah. So I guess I was always a little bit torn between this classical world and my.
00:30:59.080
My. You know, my American country ranching and cowboy upbringing, this this connection to the land has
00:31:12.640
has been such a gift. It's it's given me the ability to to stay grounded and to stay rooted in spite of all of
00:31:24.360
that. You know, the media can be so charming. They can be so persuasive with their messages.
00:31:34.440
I even when I went to Berkeley, I remember watching music videos for the first time and thinking.
00:31:43.420
No, you didn't miss much. Right. You know, and thinking that's how women acted.
00:31:50.440
Thinking that that was. The norm and that I didn't have any idea how to act around men.
00:32:04.400
It is so incredible that I was able to find my way back.
00:32:09.640
And I I give credit to my my rootedness and growing up on a farm and a ranch, working with my hands,
00:32:19.240
you know, working with my family alongside my family and riding horse and rounding up cattle and fun.
00:32:29.720
And, you know, yeah, I can ride, too. I used to do dressage and jumping, but I can't go after cattle.
00:32:37.040
Oh, I can't rope any cattle. You could probably rope cattle, right?
00:32:41.360
Yeah, I'm not the best roper, but my husband is is pretty handy with a rope.
00:32:46.400
And, you know, that's actually my first memory of him.
00:32:50.700
We we grew up not too terribly far apart from one another, but he went to a different school and I knew of him, but never really knew him.
00:33:02.500
And my first memory is maybe when I was 12 or 14 at a at a local neighbor's cattle branding.
00:33:11.020
And we were all rounding up their herd on the on the refuge.
00:33:15.020
And I remember this this pretty cute, shy guy on a horse and they were, you know, that was gosh, I don't want to date myself exactly.
00:33:31.840
And to this day, he's still got that very calm, gentle hand with with a horse and and our dogs and now our son.
00:33:43.200
Yeah. Being outside, being in nature is so important.
00:33:45.880
I spend way too much time in front of the computer.
00:33:47.760
I think a lot of us do in this modern day kind of lifestyle now.
00:33:52.780
And the ultra ride taking part in propaganda wars and everyone's making videos.
00:33:56.620
We're inside so much, but it is good to get outside and maybe grow some food.
00:34:02.460
I think that's the one thing that always sets me right when I feel down from everything else.
00:34:07.000
Just go outside and you always feel better in nature.
00:34:11.700
And that leads me directly into the songwriting.
00:34:20.200
You know, the history of American composers, Aaron Copeland, for instance,
00:34:28.320
is the American folk song is something that that is is slowly dying.
00:34:36.160
And I was fortunate to have a wonderful mentor in my youth in music that encouraged my my songwriting and my writing in general.
00:34:48.140
And also really, really loved the American folk song.
00:34:54.920
So I grew up singing and doing some competitions in American folk songs strictly in that category, learning the history and learning the heritage.
00:35:07.300
And so it was like a natural progression for me to write and on the prairies and in the in the Dakotas, especially the winters are so isolating and they're so brutal.
00:35:19.980
You have to figure out what you're going to do.
00:35:29.780
And, you know, you you're the wind is blowing most of the time.
00:35:40.100
Yeah, because they're inside, they have to entertain each other.
00:35:43.560
And in the old days, they didn't have electricity that they did.
00:35:51.260
So, you know, I was always kind of my quest to to figure out or to find my niche.
00:35:59.560
You know, I had a lot of people say, well, you need to decide between classical.
00:36:02.700
You need to decide between country or you need to decide between folk.
00:36:06.240
And I had such a difficult time with that because they were all a part of me.
00:36:11.860
I mean, historically speaking, obviously, I was drawn to classical music.
00:36:21.400
You know, and then even more recently, the the the folk singing and the the storytelling really what which is what.
00:36:33.540
American folk and country Western music is and is rooted in is also a part of my ancestry.
00:36:41.020
So it evolved into a sort of journey that that brought me to Europe and that brought me to to continue composing and to continue not being satisfied with the cultural norm.
00:37:08.460
I was never comfortable in that expendable, you know, pop entertainment industry.
00:37:21.160
I've always just hated it ever since I was a young girl.
00:37:24.180
I never liked the pop music, the hip hop music.
00:37:33.060
But I found myself so alienated and so alone and so.
00:37:37.880
I'm having a hard time finding, you know, a way to really put it into words.
00:37:48.800
And I tried to fit myself in to that mold and I was incredibly unhappy.
00:37:56.820
So fortunately, I think that was some some kind of inner compass, an inner guide that just said, listen, you, you don't need to be that person.
00:38:09.620
Yeah, I went through that actually in my early 20s.
00:38:14.220
I was in L.A. and I always liked more alternative music or electronica.
00:38:22.400
And I when I was living in L.A., I knew a lot of people that were A&R people for a lot of the major labels.
00:38:28.880
We hung out and they always tried to get me to do do projects and saying and I did a couple.
00:38:34.560
And then they'd say, oh, you know, you have to change your hair or you need to wear this or you need to sound like this or something like that.
00:38:48.320
That's really nice to have that reciprocated and hear that to be acknowledged because I also was on the voice of Germany before I left Germany.
00:38:56.940
Um, and I, I did the, you know, I was, I did the live audition and, um, just the amount of the expected degeneracy, you know, was shocking.
00:39:15.780
I, you know, overall, I have to say I'm, I'm, I'm grateful for the experience because it really woke what was part of my awakening in realizing that's not for me.
00:39:35.480
One thing when it comes to music, I have to say, I think Europeans were the most diverse.
00:39:39.900
I mean, think of all the different styles that we've created, whereas when you go to Asia or Africa or the Middle East, it's, it's kind of, it's the same sound really.
00:39:48.460
Or you go to India, it's the same kind of sound.
00:39:50.960
You go to, you know, Europe and America, we've created so many different genres, haven't we?
00:39:59.100
Um, and that was really part of my, um, starting to feel like I was a part of something bigger was when I, I learned my, um, German, my native German language and got to know the, the thinking.
00:40:21.900
Because when you speak a different language, you think differently, you relate differently.
00:40:28.480
And we've become so far removed from our roots, from our rootedness, from our ancestors, from understanding that we're a part of a line.
00:40:39.860
We're part of a lot of, um, sacrifice that all of our forefathers and, and those that came before us endured in, in ways that we can't imagine.
00:40:54.380
You know, I, I still, when this last winter in North Dakota was incredibly hard.
00:41:00.320
We had more snowstorms, more snowfall, and, and more frigid temperatures than I think in the last 20 years.
00:41:09.860
And I think to myself, look at all of the amenities we have, the internet, the connection, the, the radio programs, you know, the internet connection.
00:41:27.460
And when they left on a ship, they maybe got a letter.
00:41:32.940
Maybe they had a chest from home and they survived.
00:41:36.880
And I think, how important is it for us to remember the type of strength in that lineage?
00:41:47.900
And we have to remember too, that many of the settlers that came to America, it was, um, upwards of half died trying to settle, settle this land.
00:42:01.200
They had to do everything from scratch, created everything from scratch, or they would die.
00:42:08.560
I cannot imagine getting through a winter in, under those circumstances and having to build shelter and find water and, and food.
00:42:20.100
And, um, that has been also a big part of my, just, rejection of, um, the left.
00:42:32.380
Because nobody gave our ancestors, and my ancestors in particular, any handouts.
00:42:42.000
And I think that we have a right to be proud of that and be proud of that, um, history.
00:42:51.000
It makes sense now why we know that socialism arose in the Nordic countries, because it really stems from an old survival thing, helping each other survive those long, harsh winters.
00:43:10.420
I still, you know, um, since moving back home to the States from Germany, I'm still getting used to that, um, that jovial spirit, that, uh, willingness to help.
00:43:25.960
You know, if somebody is broke down on the highway, people will still stop here and ask if they can help.
00:43:31.360
Or, you know, I was snowed in, and I called my neighbor, and he came over with his tractor to blow out my driveway.
00:43:36.680
And, and then I baked a banana bread and brought it over for coffee.
00:43:43.040
That's just still really a part of the culture here.
00:43:46.120
And, um, unfortunately, because of the influx of, um, not influx, the, the overtake of the German country by foreigners, people are too afraid to look you in the eye.
00:44:02.080
And, and, and I noticed that when I was there, too, it's actually several European countries recently where it's, people don't even interact with each other anymore.
00:44:11.780
It, and people cut off because things become sketchy.
00:44:18.120
Yeah, it's, it's a, it's sad to see that happen.
00:44:23.280
And, interestingly enough, what I find so, I, it makes me laugh.
00:44:36.100
And in Heidelberg, there were sections that were Turkish.
00:44:40.760
There were sections and enclaves that were Russian.
00:44:56.400
It's, it's how people naturally want to gravitate towards their own.
00:45:04.180
Um, but if that would be reported or, or even just touched upon in any kind of a positive manner,
00:45:12.100
I've just, I've just, I've just had to, had to learn to take everything with a grain of salt
00:45:18.460
because, um, that kind of natural, uh, segregation is, is blown out of proportion.
00:45:26.600
And, you know, after moving back home to the Dakotas, where we have a strong populate,
00:45:33.560
And I, um, moved back for, for a teaching position on the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation
00:45:55.020
And I was floored, uh, because the, the story surrounding it is just as interesting.
00:46:01.920
The majority of the native community didn't want the segregation.
00:46:06.820
There was a few families that were for it when AIM, the American Indian movement came in,
00:46:11.540
trying to convince them that they needed to be liberated and have their own, in their own school.
00:46:18.560
Uh, the farming communities and the, the primarily Northern European, uh, farmers in that area
00:46:28.960
all had gone to that school pre, prior to 1975.
00:46:38.660
And once that decision was made, the natives, the, the elders still talked and said,
00:46:46.800
we fought and told them this will set us back a hundred years.
00:46:50.320
Interesting. So they didn't, they didn't, they wanted to be blended in with everyone else.
00:46:56.920
Huh? Oh, interesting. Cause usually most of the Indians that I've encountered, you know,
00:47:00.420
growing up in Oregon, there's lots of Indian reservations.
00:47:02.860
They're, they're kind of hostile towards white people.
00:47:08.600
So, you know, sounds like they're different up there.
00:47:10.820
Well, Arikara, the Arikara tribe was very, one of the most, um, generous and gracious tribes.
00:47:21.220
And, um, that the Saanish nation or the Arikara nation was, was a very gentle and gracious, um, hospitable tribe.
00:47:31.360
They ended up having to band together, um, with the Mandana and Hidatsa because they were being,
00:47:38.900
they were being hunted and slaughtered so mercilessly by the Sioux.
00:47:46.640
These Indians were slaughtering each other long before we showed up.
00:47:50.620
Right. Um, that they were close to the brink of extinction, um, before the, before General Custer and, um,
00:48:06.740
And so, yeah, there, there is that narrative now with this Dakota Access Pipeline,
00:48:14.400
things have blown out, been completely blown out of proportion.
00:48:31.620
And I have to say the year that I spent teaching on the reservation was, was eye-opening and,
00:48:49.080
I had no idea what was going on in my own backyard, so to speak.
00:48:54.140
I mean, the reservation is, what, an hour and a half, two hours away from where I grew up.
00:48:59.000
So, the, the alcoholism, the abuse, the neglect, the drug addiction, the, the utter, um, waste, wastefulness.
00:49:16.420
I absolutely adored the children, but those children were being raised by children.
00:49:22.660
These, um, the addiction is so rampant and the sexual abuse is so high.
00:49:32.480
I just, I know, and white people get blamed for that a lot of the time, you know, you know,
00:49:40.140
and I just, yeah, I, I, I didn't understand when I went in.
00:49:44.160
I was really looked on with a lot of suspicion, but for me, you know, I was still living in
00:49:51.040
my little liberal leftist bubble thinking that I, you know, was just colorless, you know,
00:49:57.560
and that they were just gonna love me for who I was, and it was a harsh reality.
00:50:07.420
I did love those kids and tried to just be there for them because they didn't have any
00:50:15.780
They didn't have anybody that was, wasn't, uh, drunk and that wasn't not only on drinking
00:50:29.400
And so I had not only a lot of fetal alcohol children, but a lot of children that had been
00:50:35.740
born, um, while their parents were taking meth.
00:50:38.920
What do you think is the root cause for all of this?
00:50:41.400
You know, cause a lot of times people want to blame the white people that came over, but
00:50:45.440
we know, uh, the history of America is much more complex over who was here first.
00:50:50.220
I mean, we can debate that for, uh, for a long time, but why didn't the Indians open
00:50:56.660
A lot of white people say that it was wrong back then for whites to migrate over here.
00:51:00.420
But then today when the same thing's being done to us, all of a sudden it's okay.
00:51:04.800
But what do you think is the root cause of what's affecting a lot of Indians with their
00:51:12.020
Look, any, any, in the history of the world, you know, in Rome, in any civilization that
00:51:22.180
has been invaded, normally, um, those people, A, aren't allowed to live or they assimilate.
00:51:30.920
But it's never been the case that, uh, a major, um, civilization has gone in and conquered and
00:51:40.480
just said, Hey, you're going to let, be able to live the way you were able to before.
00:51:46.580
Never in the history of the world has that been the case.
00:51:50.220
History is full of stories of conquest and invasion.
00:51:54.420
And I believe that is a natural, um, that is, that is a natural part of man.
00:52:01.760
We have tried to separate ourselves from that, but we just have ongoing, uh, uh, virtual warfare
00:52:10.860
that's excruciating and nothing ever really gets completed.
00:52:15.520
Um, in this instance, these people carry incredible generational scars.
00:52:23.100
Unfortunately, they've been made, um, they, they've been enabled by our federal government
00:52:38.000
And this, this dialect of victimhood has done nothing but breed helplessness, breed blaming,
00:52:48.280
and breed, uh, sense of, um, not wanting to take responsibility.
00:53:02.960
I know a lot of Indians get that from the government and it's actually been a downfall in a lot of
00:53:06.980
This welfare means the same thing as we've seen in, in the black community.
00:53:10.940
So it's interesting though, that we get to called all these names when usually in the
00:53:14.860
past people invaded exactly, they would just full on genocide or destroy people that didn't
00:53:20.140
And here we are, we, you're giving, we're giving them money and trying to prop them up
00:53:28.280
It's a modern day, uh, experiment in socialism that has failed.
00:53:33.940
That has failed so miserably that these, these people's children's children are still unable
00:53:42.860
to function outside of the reservation and inside the reservation.
00:53:47.960
Anybody that does become successful is usually beaten up or robbed or, um, you know, wants,
00:53:55.220
wanted, they want to tear them down or they just simply have to leave.
00:54:00.560
And this is, this is a good lesson of why multiculturalism fails.
00:54:05.700
We all try to make everyone live in the same way.
00:54:09.280
This is what happens when, I mean, the Indians have lost touch with their roots.
00:54:12.480
They don't even know how to do things that their ancestors used to do.
00:54:15.100
They probably don't even know some of the stories anymore.
00:54:17.460
We kind of have these mythical ideas, you know, a lot of white people will go to these Indian
00:54:21.820
reservations and smoke peyote and try and go for this, like I'm finding enlightenment
00:54:26.740
and stuff, but it isn't that romantic on most Indian reservations today, unfortunately.
00:54:31.740
Once you get a good look at all of the trash and the garbage and the, the holes and car
00:54:40.120
windows and the, I remember, um, a few of the newer houses that had been put up on regular
00:54:50.060
There's some new houses that are, that are brought onto the reservation.
00:54:53.660
And, um, one of them had a hole cut in the wall with the bathtub filled up.
00:55:01.240
So the horse could stick his head in to have a drink.
00:55:07.720
The other thing that I find sad is it's a lot of the Indians or, uh, even Mexicans that come,
00:55:29.700
I think, I think it's, uh, grasping for, um, some type of acceptance, some type of identity.
00:55:39.200
Everybody wants to feel a part of something, right?
00:55:45.920
And that's one of the downfalls, unfortunately, of this multicultural agenda.
00:55:53.680
They aren't associating with their group or, or with, um, having any, growing up with any
00:56:04.300
So, you know, well, what, which group looks more, most like me?
00:56:16.600
I think too, it's kind of something tribal about it.
00:56:19.380
They're looking for some kind of tribe and it's very base level.
00:56:24.960
It's works on kind of the lower chakra, if you will.
00:56:32.980
You know, and there's, there's a lot of, um, there are quite a few, uh, powwows and powwow
00:56:44.160
Everybody that can celebrate their own tribe and, in a, in a way that is, um, you know,
00:56:56.380
Unfortunately, a lot of the times what happens at powwows is people end up just throwing all
00:57:02.120
their trash and garbage on the ground and for it being in order, it doesn't coincide with
00:57:09.180
that whole, um, this is sacred, holy ground when everybody's throwing all their garbage
00:57:21.320
Are you guys getting an influx of refugees in the Dakotas?
00:57:24.760
Cause I'm hearing reports from Idaho and a lot of those other, you know, uh, pockets
00:57:29.120
that are, that are very white and rural that they're getting refugees.
00:57:36.560
And then we're being targeted in unprecedented ways.
00:57:42.260
And in the last two to five years, I would say the Lutheran social services has done its
00:57:52.000
absolute best to import, uh, Somalians and North Africans into, um, into the Dakotas.
00:58:03.560
And it's, as far as I know, Fargo, which is our largest city, the crime rate went up 25%
00:58:14.020
Um, and now going into Walmart, um, I, last time I checked was one of two white people.
00:58:26.780
And I thought to myself, you've got to be kidding.
00:58:30.580
And I have married, uh, a man of Scandinavian heritage and we now have a son and, um, we're
00:58:38.960
all fair and have blue eyes and every single person cannot leave that baby alone and comments
00:58:48.520
on his eyes and how beautiful and, oh my goodness.
00:58:57.960
I love my son and I think he's beautiful too, but everybody wants to talk about there not
00:59:04.440
being a preference and we're all colorblind and this and that, and there, it not being
00:59:21.340
It's interesting too, how you, you travel, I'm well-traveled.
00:59:25.600
You go to other countries where, you know, the majority of the world is not white.
00:59:32.800
So for that sake, you know, Europeans are unique because of what, what we have, what
00:59:37.560
we're rare because you don't find blonde and blue all around the world.
00:59:41.080
That's why I think it's coveted and people are so fascinated by it because it's, it's
00:59:46.400
And then here we are, you know, we're getting hit with this anti-white propaganda that white
00:59:57.580
You know, it's like, there's people across the world who covet blonde and blue.
01:00:04.240
And then our own people who are that are hating themselves and wanting to, to lose that and
01:00:14.020
And I mean, I even had students on the reservation who were using blue contacts and wanting blue
01:00:23.860
And I, myself personally didn't ever understand why I had such feelings of, um, you know, self
01:00:33.580
loathing, not understanding why, even though I knew that I was an attractive female, I felt
01:00:46.140
And I did, I would do my hair and my makeup and, and in, in early, I had, uh, a very difficult
01:00:56.820
time accepting my own beauty because I felt like I was somehow, and I didn't understand
01:01:04.960
why, you know, this went on throughout my teens and my twenties, um, why I felt ashamed that
01:01:13.620
I was, uh, white, Northern European, female, and attractive.
01:01:27.340
They've targeted groups that are, that are beautiful, that are intelligent, that are capable
01:01:32.180
and trying to guilt them, guilt them, you know, to feel bad for being and having what they have
01:01:38.540
so that they want to surrender to this kind of, this blob, this melting pot, you know, and
01:01:49.460
And I, unfortunately, you know, the mentor that I talked about that helped foster so much
01:01:55.540
of my musical development was unfortunately, um, an incredible liberal feminist and was so,
01:02:08.620
uh, derogatory and, and, um, demeaning to my development as, uh, as a woman.
01:02:19.460
As a proud and healthy young woman, I struggled incredibly in my twenties and almost lost to
01:02:35.720
Um, I really tried to do everything I could, you know, to fit in and to be more spicy and
01:02:41.780
to, you know, tan my skin darker and to listen to more, um, diversified.
01:02:49.460
And, um, you know, really swallowed that whole rhetoric that I had, um, never had the, the
01:03:01.180
opportunities that men had and I was being discriminated against.
01:03:05.700
I really believed that for a long time, you know, and it wasn't until I, um, I met my husband
01:03:12.580
and we, gosh, are of the same background and had the same struggles and really started opening
01:03:23.900
my eyes to, wow, I've never been happier with somebody that's like me.
01:03:31.360
And it's, it's okay to be around, um, and to celebrate my, my ethnic heritage to continue,
01:03:48.360
I didn't ever understand that, but I used to say, you know, yeah, I'd really love blonde
01:03:56.120
And I'd kind of have to say it under my breath because I felt bad.
01:04:01.220
It was, you know, come on, it's, it's in all of our, um, all of our education system is
01:04:09.960
And that is proof right there of an anti-white agenda when they're literally trying to make
01:04:14.360
white women such as yourself guilty for wanting to procreate and duplicate yourself.
01:04:21.740
You know, and I look at how close I came to it almost working and I see myself as a success
01:04:32.180
And I have never been happier or felt more fulfilled, more grounded and rooted as I do
01:04:47.340
And you guys came from same blood, you know, I mean, it ties you together.
01:04:52.380
It feels like family when you come from the same tribe, if you will, the same people, the
01:04:59.920
It's going to ground you too for the rest of your life.
01:05:05.540
And, you know, going on then and starting our family and having our first child and seeing
01:05:11.240
every ethnic background praise and, and just swoon over, over the, um, the characteristics
01:05:30.180
They just keep trying to tell everyone it doesn't matter.
01:05:36.360
Every single, I don't care if it's been Hispanic, black, mulatto, Indian, Native American, everyone
01:05:45.260
has said we have never seen such intensity and such beautiful, um, blue eyes as we have
01:06:00.380
You got to say the, maybe you got to stop shopping at Walmart.
01:06:08.460
I think there's a lot of good mom and pop shops too.
01:06:12.860
Amazon Prime has been great, but unfortunately sometimes we've just had to bite the bullet and
01:06:20.080
When you, cause you're so isolated, there isn't much up there.
01:06:31.220
How did you stumble upon the alt-right and people like us, red ice?
01:06:36.680
Um, you know, I really came across it through my husband when we were first starting to date
01:06:46.480
You know, he had some ideas that were really unbelievable to me.
01:06:52.140
And I, I, I'm a hard one anyway, but in the sense that I have to ask questions.
01:07:01.100
And I thought to myself, look, Nicole, if you're going to ask and be so critical of him,
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then you better be willing to listen to what he has to say.
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And because of his life experiences and him being so well-traveled and also having the same
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background as me, um, he started introducing me to some of his ideologies and, you know,
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I wasn't quite sure if we were going to make it, but, um, in, in the, um, you know, in this
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discovery of, of what he was presenting to me, I started noticing some similarities.
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And, you know, back to further or into our, um, earlier in our conversation, when you were
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asking me about how the elites in Germany were, um, if this was ever coming up in conversations
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In one of my very dear friends in the, um, integrative medical clinic that I worked at,
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a doctor, a medical doctor had, um, who's actually the descendant of a figure in German history,
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um, Karl Dönitz, uh, the general or admiral of the naval, um, naval, um, department of the
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Third Reich, he had sort of introduced me to some of these ideas and I thought he was the
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most racist bastard. Um, I hated him for it. We were the closest of friends, but he could never
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bring up a single thing. And then I found out that actually his family name was a part of German
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history and I was so suspicious of him. I thought, you, Nazi. Yeah. And, you know,
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here he was actually opening the door for an entire new, a brave new world. There we go.
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And it wasn't until, you know, fast forward four or five years later that I met my husband-to-be
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that these same types of ideas kept coming up. And I was so, I was so disenchanted.
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by the, you know, I think the television and, and entertainment industry in and of itself
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had, you know, kind of just chewed me up and spit me out. And I was left reeling,
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wondering, you know, what, how to make sense of this world, how to, um, deal with these feelings
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and sense of alienation and, and, um, not being able to connect with most people around me and
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being fortunate enough to find, uh, my, my spouse and him having dealt with that as well.
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And then diving into some deep philosophy, uh, Kant, Nietzsche, um, a lot of, um, very hard
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questions, you know, because I, I, I speak fluent in German. Then I started actually reading Karl
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Marx. I started really reading what was said and I just slowly, but surely, um, also realized
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what had happened to me in Germany. And the fact of the matter is, is that, you know, a well,
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I was a, I was a well-educated, um, fluent speaking, um, single woman with, with work experience
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and the German, the Germans kicked me out. Unbelievable. I mean, I'm a, you know, and it wasn't
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just me. It was, I had, uh, a work contract that was open-ended. My, um, professor and, uh,
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boss at the medical clinic that I was working at endorsed me and wrote three different letters
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to the foreigner's office begging them for me to stay. It didn't work. It worked to a point
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and I was able to stay for two more years. And after that worker's visa was up, um, and
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I was unemployed, I, I said, okay, you know what? Because I'm an honest person, I'll go
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on unemployment. I was offered eight months of unemployment after having worked two and
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a half years and contributing to the system. I said, okay, you know what? I'm okay with that.
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So I gave myself eight months and I said, at the end of that, if I haven't found, you know,
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another, um, steady position, I'm going to head home.
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It's a good thing that happened because then you were able to go home and get married and
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Exactly. Right. And it was just about that time that that influx of, um, refugees took over
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the country. And I just said, geez, what more does this country want? I mean, a person of
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Northern European and specifically German heritage.
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Yeah. Marxists don't want their language. What else do they want? And it wasn't until another
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one of my girlfriends who worked with me at the medical clinic, multiple degrees, fluent in German.
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Actually, she was born from South Africa, grew up speaking German at home and her visa wasn't
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renewed as well. She was outrageous. Meanwhile, these Africans just scale the walls and come
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right in and get free everything. It's unbelievable.
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And most of the Germans couldn't understand why I was so angry. That was the real turning
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point where I, I was just watching this all unfold before my eyes and I wasn't being offered
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any type of work that I could live and have a sustainable, um, any type of enjoyable life
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from. I just had to look at the quality of life and I was like, that's it. I'm done trying
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to fight for a space here. You know, if that's the type of people that they want there, then
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go for it. And unfortunately I've just had to kind of extend that, the invitation to friends
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and, um, my martial arts colleagues. I've said, Hey guys, when it gets too bad, we've
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Yeah. Well, we might drop by there and visit. I know a lot of people are kind of eyeing it
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up there and around those parts. So you never know. I might drop by. Well, Nicole, it was
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a pleasure meeting you. Thank you so much for your time and sharing your story. I always
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love hearing how people come to the alt right, how they find us, how they wake up. And thanks
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to that German fellow who planted seeds, I think is important to always remember to drop
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little seeds and everybody that we meet because eventually they do bloom and you would bloomed
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later and you recognize some of those things when your husband said them. So it's important
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to be doing that. And for the listeners, why don't you give out your website and let people
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know how they can find your music. I'm going to end the show with a song called gotta clear
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my head by you. Sure. My website is just njorgensen.wixsite.com and then it's forward
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slash Nicole minus Jorgensen. All right. It's kind of a long one. It's okay. We'll share
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the link anyway. But thanks again. It's been a pleasure. Yeah. Thank you. Every day I receive
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moving messages from people sharing their story of how they found red eyes and the alt right.
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Even from housewives in North Dakota who grasp the current reality better than anyone on Maine's
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Got to clear my head. Got to clear my mind. Something's running all the time.
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Where it's gonna lead. I'm just trying to believe.
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I gotta clear my head inside. From what keeps it running.
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Give me a chance to be. Give me a chance to be. Just where I can breathe. Where I can see.
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Sunshine. It ain't hard to find. It's just waiting for us outside.
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Sometimes we can just unwind. When we remember to take the time. Why don't we go back to peace of mind.