Radio 3Fourteen - How to Talk to Normies _ Agitators Posing as Alt-Right Men

00:00:00.000 Welcome, ladies and gents. It's Lana, the looks-obsessed eugenicist and fascist pin-up

00:00:20.080 podcaster here. Well, at least according to some guys, no one cares about it than New

00:00:24.160 York Magazine. But hey, it's not an insult, it's a compliment in my view. Joining me

00:00:28.900 tonight is Philosophy Cat, a nationalist YouTuber who loves politics, philosophy, and cats.

00:00:34.980 But no, she is not a crazy cat lady. We'll explore how to talk to normies, what the left

00:00:40.360 gets right, which isn't much, and canceling your Netflix. For the love of the gods, cancel

00:00:46.080 your Netflix people. But we also spend a good amount of time on misconceptions about women

00:00:51.140 like us and their relationships with men, and the most likely leftist agitators who harass

00:00:56.980 women like us saying all the cliche things and comment sections. Why do they do this

00:01:01.400 and why have they specifically been targeting my show? They're desperate to scare away girls

00:01:05.900 and make alt-right men look like bitter, stupid idiots. Because the fact is, any man who attacks

00:01:11.580 a young woman who openly shows her face while defending white people is not one of us. But

00:01:17.240 she also brings up white Sharia, which couldn't possibly be real, could it? Sadly, we had a

00:01:22.480 technical issue during this portion of the conversation and a small bit was cut off, but

00:01:26.620 you'll get the picture. Philosophy Cat is next. Philosophy Cat, welcome. Thanks for being here

00:01:32.400 today. Thanks for having me. I really like your show. So tell us about the white cat that shows

00:01:38.480 up in your videos. My white cat is, he's a very Aryan-looking cat, but that was not actually

00:01:45.660 intentional. He's a rescue cat. We took him in initially as a foster. I had no idea what kind

00:01:50.960 of cat they were going to bring me. And I never actually wanted a white cat. I always thought

00:01:55.620 I was going to get a gray cat or a black cat. And they brought me a little white cat. And

00:02:01.240 we weren't intending to keep him forever. But within about two weeks, we decided that we

00:02:06.620 needed to have him in our family. And he's just kind of been my constant companion. He's

00:02:12.000 very much like me, personality-wise, very pesty, very cheeky. And despite being four years

00:02:18.200 old, he still doesn't take naps. That's why sometimes in my videos, he's kind of running

00:02:23.900 around doing crazy cat stuff and won't leave me alone. It's funny. They know when you're

00:02:27.980 recording or when there's cameras. I noticed our cats, they like to be around that kind

00:02:32.060 of energy for some reason. It's funny. Yeah, he really likes to come and rub against

00:02:36.700 the microphone. Or sometimes if the computer's running warm, he wants to just lie down on top

00:02:41.600 of it. So he's ruined a few video takes. We have to be clear, too. There's a difference.

00:02:46.520 You're not a cat lady. There's a difference between the cat lady and people who have a

00:02:50.720 cat, right? This is true, yes. We're big cat lovers here, too. But we're

00:02:56.560 also not single women. So single women with 10 of them, right?

00:03:01.400 Yeah, well, look, I've only got one cat. So I think you need to have at least three before

00:03:05.720 you're qualified as a certifiable cat lady. But cats have a lot of qualities that women

00:03:13.120 admire, you know? I mean, they're self-reliant. They're very cautious. They have concealed

00:03:18.540 weapons. And they're clean. And they're territorial. They're fussy about what they want.

00:03:25.160 You know, they're just like us, really.

00:03:28.780 Well, tell us a little bit about yourself and how you came to Ultra-Right Topics.

00:03:32.960 Um, I was always kind of right wing. I, my family is kind of lifelong Republicans. So I sort of grew

00:03:45.280 up in that kind of a household. But they're more like the globalist neocon type of Republicans. So

00:03:52.820 it wasn't until I was, oh, I was probably 17 or 18, when I sort of kind of came to more like

00:04:01.180 libertarian ways of thinking. And when I was about 19 is, um, when I started coming more into

00:04:07.260 nationalist ways of thinking, which is, um, you know, I, I think a lot of people think that

00:04:13.420 libertarianism and nationalism aren't really compatible, but it's, for me, it wasn't too much

00:04:21.040 of a leap. And it was really when I, um, went to university, that was kind of my first real

00:04:27.240 exposure to living in a multicultural city, being around, um, a lot of other people of

00:04:33.800 different backgrounds, and also just being exposed to the constant leftist propaganda in

00:04:39.020 the classroom. And, um, I can't remember exactly what, what triggered me to start kind of looking

00:04:46.120 into that stuff, but it was a pretty rapid transformation once I did. And I, I've just

00:04:51.180 kind of been fully red pilled ever since.

00:04:53.140 So it's been a while for you then.

00:04:55.860 Yeah. Yeah. You know, 12, 13 years.

00:04:59.380 That's pretty good. Yeah. A lot of people, it seems like it's happened rapidly in the last few

00:05:04.820 years. And it, it, obviously it's connected with all this push towards diversity and multiculturalism

00:05:09.760 in our face all the time. As people say, you get red pilled by life once you're actually living in it

00:05:14.780 and around it all the time. And you came from a very white area, right? Minnesota.

00:05:19.600 I did. I grew up in an all white town. My, I went to school at a pretty much all white school. I think

00:05:26.580 occasionally we had like an exchange student that was from another country. Um, but it was a very

00:05:33.900 sheltered life. And I kind of just thought like, well, black people are just like what they are on

00:05:38.280 the Cosby show. I had no conception of like the thug life. And, um, so going to a big city for

00:05:47.240 university. And I stupidly thought that I would, um, take the city bus into town for school. I was

00:05:55.340 the only white girl on the bus. And, um, that kind of woke me up pretty quickly to the fact that not all

00:06:01.620 blacks are like on the Cosby show because the ones that rode the bus were, um, were more the thug

00:06:05.920 life type and not very nice to me. Yep. That's how it goes. Well, for you, what are the most

00:06:12.800 important issues of our time? Um, well, first and foremost, obviously the continuation of our race.

00:06:20.220 I, I don't see any point in addressing any other issue until that one's taken care of. Um,

00:06:25.600 so when people talk about stuff like say, oh, climate change, um, regardless of whether or not

00:06:32.400 you believe in that, it's like, well, you know, Europeans are the only ones who actually care

00:06:35.960 about taking care of the environment. So if we get rid of Europeans, you're not going to fix climate

00:06:41.340 change. So firstly, we need to ensure our, our continued survival, um, at any means necessary

00:06:50.080 really. Um, but following that, I would say just the erosion of Western values, European values. Um,

00:06:57.240 so freedom of speech, the rise of political correctness, I think is probably top of my list

00:07:03.500 in terms of those eroding values. Um, because political correctness is essentially, uh, forcing

00:07:10.640 people to lie. And if you're lying all the time and you're constantly repressing the truth, that's

00:07:16.600 just going to lead to depression. It leads to our people being very demoralized. It leads to nihilism

00:07:21.680 and then who wants to even continue fighting for their people. So that does sort of go hand in hand

00:07:27.820 with being able to continue our race because we have so many people who just aren't interested in

00:07:31.380 doing that. Yeah. It's amazing that some people that just have no impulse for that whatsoever.

00:07:36.580 You can be like, well, white people might disappear and you're talking to a white person. And so

00:07:40.760 I don't care. They just, they don't feel anything about it. There's a lot of people that don't feel

00:07:45.280 anything about it. Why do you think that is? Um, you know, we have just been so cut off

00:07:51.600 from our culture and our heritage. And I think it's worse for white people living outside of Europe

00:07:58.500 because I think in Europe, they still have more organic cultural ties. They're still in their

00:08:04.140 homeland of their ancestors. And the European diaspora is less connected to that, but we're told

00:08:12.920 all the time we have no culture. And it's like, well, everybody has a culture. Most people who say we

00:08:20.600 don't have a culture don't even know what they're talking about. Like ask them what culture is and

00:08:24.240 they can't define it. It's not just the food you eat or the clothes you wear. It's, it's not even

00:08:30.300 just like your religious beliefs or something. It's, it goes much deeper than that. It's, you know,

00:08:34.880 your fundamental beliefs about the way the world works, the way you interact with people,

00:08:39.320 um, and what you value as being the most important thing in life.

00:08:43.400 And people who say that white people don't have a culture clearly have not traveled around Europe.

00:08:46.820 There's many different cultures there. We already have a multicultural area. It's called Europe.

00:08:52.080 Yeah. And if you are a white person saying that white people don't have culture,

00:08:56.120 you have not engaged in much self-reflection about what your beliefs are and where your beliefs come

00:09:01.720 from, because you didn't just come up with these ideas on your own. Someone else put them there

00:09:06.240 and you believe them for whatever reason. But, um, you know, the idea that, um, that women should be

00:09:13.580 respected. That is a uniquely European idea. That's part of our culture. It's, it's not this

00:09:21.040 just like cultureless idea that was floating around in the ether and landed in somebody's head.

00:09:26.300 Like that's part of our tradition is treating women as human beings, treating them with respect.

00:09:31.580 Same with, um, the idea of treating animals with respect or, or treating children kindly.

00:09:37.420 You know, these are fundamental beliefs in our culture that not every culture in the world shares.

00:09:42.020 So to say that white people don't have a culture is, I mean, either they're, they're intentionally

00:09:48.520 dishonest and some kind of cultural Marxist, or they're incredibly stupid.

00:09:53.440 Yeah. A lot of them are stupid. They say, oh, white people don't have a culture and they didn't

00:09:56.960 make anything while they're surrounded by everything that white people have made in the

00:10:00.780 country that they built. There, there, there really are a lot of stupid people, unfortunately.

00:10:05.020 Yeah. And if you point out to them that white people built this, they say that,

00:10:07.920 oh, we just stole it from non-whites and it just shows a really fundamental lack of understanding

00:10:13.680 of history.

00:10:14.420 I know sometimes we tend to get a lot of, you know, advanced, you and I, we've been thinking

00:10:18.780 about these things for a while. And sometimes we have to remember where the average mind is at

00:10:23.160 and really dumb it down to some of these basic double standards. I think the alt-right needs to

00:10:29.300 be hammering those more often because in our minds, we already know this stuff, but then when you're

00:10:33.880 out there in the real world and you deal with some of these people, you realize how far behind they are

00:10:37.720 and how they need like the really basic, basic double standards for it to click in their head,

00:10:43.100 you know?

00:10:44.160 Yeah. And I mean, this is, this is kind of part of how it goes when you're talking with normies,

00:10:50.820 you have to speak their language. If I want to convince you that speaking English is the best

00:10:56.720 language in the world, but you only speak French, I'm not going to convince you by just speaking

00:11:00.880 English to you. I first need to learn French and I need to come and communicate my ideas to you in

00:11:05.160 French. You know, you might feel kind of intellectually smug and superior that you've

00:11:09.660 made this great argument that nobody else can understand, but what have you gained from it?

00:11:13.840 Yep, exactly. Yeah. You did a whole video about how to debate with and talk to normies, correct?

00:11:19.880 I did. It was, um, it was a modified version of a presentation that I did for, uh, a workshop

00:11:27.360 that I ran locally, um, just to kind of help, uh, people who like to spend a lot of time arguing on

00:11:34.120 the internet or with their friends and family, just help them learn to debate a little bit more

00:11:38.320 effectively. So we've run a couple of workshops like that. It's not just me. I've got people

00:11:41.820 helping me, um, couldn't do it without them, but I decided that one was the most popular one that we

00:11:47.460 did. I'll put it up in a video and I pretty much doubled it in length by adding some content to it.

00:11:53.720 And the whole point of that workshop was, um, learning to debate people without resorting to

00:12:02.960 a lot of reason and evidence because most people can't understand reason and evidence. Like maybe

00:12:07.500 10% of people are going to, um, find that appealing. Most people need like appeals to emotion or to

00:12:17.220 authority or tradition. And so what we did in that workshop was I had printed off a whole bunch of,

00:12:25.140 um, left-wing memes from the internet. Just, and I have to say, like, we are totally winning the

00:12:31.380 meme war because I could, I had such a hard time finding left-wing memes that made any sense or were

00:12:37.760 even worth working with because they were so stupid. Um, but I found some, I managed to get about

00:12:44.420 20 of varying quality. And so we, we split people up into small groups and gave them a selection of

00:12:51.380 memes to choose. And they were meant to, um, come up with a quick argument that was not based in logic

00:12:58.180 and evidence against these memes. And they found it really difficult to do. They kept wanting to resort

00:13:04.660 to using a lot of facts and figures and deconstructing the argument. And it's like, no,

00:13:10.460 you can't talk to people like that because the reason these leftist ideas are so effective on

00:13:16.560 normies is that they appeal to emotion, not to logic. Of course. So you have to, you have to fight fire

00:13:22.540 with fire. And, um, we then kind of put people up, we'd have a designated devil's advocate and we'd just

00:13:28.960 have them debate head to head improv style, which was absolutely hilarious. And everyone had a lot of fun,

00:13:35.440 but it, I think it kind of drove home the point that it's actually really hard to talk to people in this

00:13:41.460 language of emotional appeals. And it's something that requires a lot of practice and a lot of thought

00:13:47.140 if that's not your main mode of thinking. Yeah. So what are some tips? Basically, you're talking to a

00:13:54.040 family member. They're, they're not going to respond to facts and figures. We need to be emotional. We need to

00:13:59.000 explain what's happening with white displacement. How does someone go about that to actually get an

00:14:04.340 emotional reaction to open them up, to actually hear the message for a moment? Okay. So we probably

00:14:10.680 all have somebody in our lives who is, you know, the bleeding heart, female liberal, who thinks that

00:14:16.840 we need to let all the refugee children in because she feels sad about their suffering. Think of the

00:14:23.200 children. It's always think of the children. Well, you can take that same line, think of the children and

00:14:29.300 say, think of white children. Think of your children. Think of the children in this country.

00:14:34.340 What about their future? And you can spell it out for them. You know, this is what I think

00:14:39.780 their future is going to look like if they're a minority in their own country. I mean, can we trust

00:14:45.700 other races to be as generous and kind to us as we've been to them? No, of course not.

00:14:51.960 I mean, we can be tolerant of, of all the Muslims in our country and say, oh, it's their freedom to

00:14:57.800 practice religion. But as soon as they have the majority, I mean, they're already forming like pro-Muslim

00:15:01.960 parties in some countries and getting votes. As soon as they're the majority, are they going to

00:15:06.900 extend that same tolerance to us? Of course not. That's not their culture. And that, I mean, that goes

00:15:11.540 back to the danger of saying that white people don't have a culture is that you then, if you believe

00:15:15.540 that, you find it really hard to distinguish when someone else's culture is at odds with yours because

00:15:20.220 you think, oh, I don't have any culture, but culture is good and we should have culture. Why don't I just

00:15:24.960 go to the culture store and buy some? Oh, look, there's Muslim culture. Let's try that one on.

00:15:29.320 Yeah. And we should also always bring up South Africa. How are the white people treated in South

00:15:34.160 Africa? And when they came down there, there was nothing. They built everything from nothing. And

00:15:37.640 now they're literally being murdered when the blacks are running things in South Africa. So those,

00:15:42.440 those kids, no one cares about those kids. The UN's not going there trying to save them from their

00:15:46.900 government that's actively trying to kill them. Exactly. I, last year I had, I had a young South

00:15:55.640 African fellow, uh, staying with one of the families I work with and he was, um, he really did not want

00:16:03.700 to go back to South Africa. It was his first time out of the country. And he was, um, he was one of

00:16:08.340 the boars and not particularly bright. He was more of an athletic type for somebody like him. There is

00:16:14.920 no future in South Africa. There's nothing for him to go back to. He's, he's not going to get into

00:16:19.700 university. He's not going to get any kind of a good job. Like his only hope was basically to try to

00:16:24.700 make it in another country and nobody wants the South Africans. No, they don't take them. They

00:16:29.200 don't get refugee status. It's really hard for them to emigrate. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I hear that all the

00:16:34.180 time too. Well, why don't you go back to Europe? And it's like, well, uh, they're prioritizing non-whites

00:16:39.220 in Europe. There's plenty of German Americans who would love to go back to Germany, but they actually

00:16:44.640 can't get in. And I hear from those people, they're trying to get back to Europe and they won't take

00:16:49.080 them back. They won't let them in. It's outrageous. It is. It's, um, and, uh, you know,

00:16:56.380 we're not allowed to even call that what it is, which is discrimination.

00:16:59.960 Well, getting back to your little workshop you did there, another question for you, you know,

00:17:04.140 liberalism, it's very, it's puritanical, it's religious. Like you said, it's very emotional.

00:17:10.120 So how do you deal with some of these people that are, you know, puritanical, religious nuts about

00:17:15.260 some of their ideology? How do you fight back in those scenarios? Um, those people aren't worth

00:17:21.900 fighting. They are, they're ideologues. They don't care what the truth is. They care about

00:17:28.320 believing what they want to believe. I mean, it's, it's like any other religion. Are you ever going

00:17:33.200 to argue a hardcore Christian out of their beliefs? No, you won't like they're, they're really

00:17:39.660 emotionally invested in believing that. And you would bring their whole world down if you destroyed

00:17:44.180 that. They have no incentive to listen to you and every incentive not to. So don't waste time

00:17:49.780 trying to convert people like that. They're just, um, they're a lost cause and, you know,

00:17:55.360 let's just cross our fingers and hope they don't breed.

00:17:57.700 Yeah, I agree. I agree a hundred percent. Now, what are the people you think right now

00:18:01.460 looking at America are people that you think that we could convert? Like I look at the Trump

00:18:06.420 patriot, you know, civic nationalist demographic, which is huge. I'm like, you're so close,

00:18:11.220 but you need to come a little farther this way, you know, connect the dots. What is Western

00:18:15.420 civilization? It's white civilization, right? So any tips on how to start winning some of those

00:18:21.860 people over? How, how do we appeal to that demographic?

00:18:25.560 You have to be patient. Um, I don't believe in pushing people along. They need to come to it of

00:18:31.580 their own realization because if you're just forcing it on them, there, there is going to be

00:18:36.400 kind of a natural resistance because it's, it's going to be very obvious that you have an agenda

00:18:40.440 with them, but you can just talk honestly with them. Be honest about the situation and how you

00:18:45.620 see it. Tell them how scared you are about the future, why you're scared about the future. That's

00:18:49.900 particularly effective with people who have children, with people who don't have children

00:18:53.840 or don't want children that sort of loses its effectiveness because they don't have a stake in the

00:18:58.380 future. And it's more about their own immediate comforts for their lifetime. Um, you can bring up the

00:19:04.160 point that, you know, you don't trust other races to be as kind to us as we have been to them. There's

00:19:09.020 plenty of examples in the world that you can use to point out how that's true. Um, but also you've

00:19:15.520 got to listen to them, you know, don't just preach at them. You have to listen to what they believe and

00:19:20.820 where they're at, because if you're not willing to listen to them and, and by listen, I, I mean,

00:19:25.120 truly listen, not just waiting to talk. Um, you're not going to have any luck converting them

00:19:30.240 because you're not going to know at what point you need to meet them. So at the start, it's a lot

00:19:36.600 more important to listen and ask questions than it is to start throwing facts and figures at them and

00:19:41.780 telling them what you think and feel. It's not about you. It's about the other person. And if, if you

00:19:48.540 want to change somebody's mind, you have to keep that in mind that it is about them. What do they want?

00:19:53.780 What are their desires? What are their motivations? Um, once you know, those things, you can start

00:20:00.540 shifting their priorities because you can start poking holes in what they believe and saying,

00:20:04.900 well, you say you have, you know, this priority, but that doesn't really line up with this belief

00:20:09.620 that you said you had. And here's why. Yeah. But it's, it's a long, slow process. You just have

00:20:15.240 to gently massage these ideas into them and they have to accept them of their own accord and not

00:20:19.420 everybody will. That's okay. We don't, we don't actually need everybody. We just need most

00:20:23.400 people. And the other thing is, yeah, asking questions. If you ask the right questions,

00:20:27.500 you don't even have to actually say much. Like for instance, why is it that all, all white

00:20:32.700 countries and only white countries are being forced to take in tons of non-Europeans and mass

00:20:37.840 immigration? What, what is so good about multiculturalism, right? I mean, you can ask

00:20:41.920 these questions to kind of get the gears moving in their heads, to get them to think some things that

00:20:46.800 maybe they haven't thought about before. I remember before I came into these topics, you know,

00:20:50.680 just seeing some of those questions posed kind of got things moving around in my head. I don't

00:20:54.700 know if it was that way for you. Um, yeah, I didn't really have anybody to sort of talk to me about

00:21:00.600 it. I very much just red pilled myself almost in a vacuum. Um, I didn't know anyone else with those

00:21:06.940 beliefs or anything. And this was, you know, before it was really widespread on the internet,

00:21:11.940 there were very few resources to look for. I, I really should have paid more attention to how I did

00:21:18.040 it back then because I didn't realize that, you know, 10 years down the road, things were going

00:21:21.640 to be so much different. But, um, yeah, it's just when they bring up these things like that

00:21:29.380 multiculturalism is good. Like, well, how is it good for you? How is it good for your neighborhood?

00:21:34.780 How is it affecting your children's school? How's it affecting your employment opportunities? How's it

00:21:39.300 affecting your housing prices? Because if you can make it personal, if you're just talking about,

00:21:44.700 oh, they're bringing gang violence to some other state in another part of the country,

00:21:48.480 that's not personal to them. It needs to be about how it affects them on, on their daily life,

00:21:53.940 because most people can't think too much bigger than their own personal sphere.

00:21:59.000 Yeah. Especially with America, because it's become just hyper individualism, right? So it's got to be

00:22:03.980 something that appeals to their selfishness. I feel like a lot of people, they don't become political

00:22:08.580 until they have to, until it personally affects their home or their work or their field, right?

00:22:14.700 Absolutely. Because if you're comfortable, why would you want to change the status quo?

00:22:19.080 Especially if you are, um, you know, you're married, you've got a stable job, you've got kids,

00:22:24.760 you know, you don't, if, especially if, you know, if you're a man, you don't want to rock the boat.

00:22:28.360 And I, I tell this a lot to men who want to talk about these issues. If they're single men,

00:22:35.620 they just want to talk about war and fighting and winning. And that's, I'm sure that's very exciting for,

00:22:42.080 for a young single man, but it's not so exciting to a middle-aged married man who has a wife and

00:22:48.360 children who are depending on him to be the breadwinner. Why on earth would he stick his

00:22:52.240 neck out and risk losing his job? Yeah. That war is not appealing to them and they don't want that

00:22:58.720 for their kids. So you need to talk about what is appealing to them, which is a future for their

00:23:04.600 children and stability for them. It's like, well, maybe it has to get worse before it gets better,

00:23:10.240 but you know, the, the outcome will result in greater long-term stability and a better future

00:23:14.880 for your children and your grandchildren and so on and so forth. In this day and age, warfare is very

00:23:19.880 different. I mean, back then it was warriors. They literally fought for land. They literally fought

00:23:24.120 in blood. They had weapons that would take each other out and settle the score right there. But now

00:23:28.320 we're dealing with a whole other kind of warfare. So we have to be thinking a little bit differently,

00:23:33.080 right? Yes. I mean, it's a culture war. It's a psychological war, whether or not it erupts

00:23:39.200 into an actual physical violent war. I don't know. I mean, I'm a woman, so I hope not, but, um,

00:23:45.880 it's probably not going to be up to me. And when you're fighting kind of a war of minds, you know,

00:23:55.640 you, you've got to be sly and you've got to be clever and you've got to have your head on straight.

00:24:00.500 You've got to have your stuff sorted out so you can help other people sort their stuff out.

00:24:05.420 I agree. Well, let's talk about white guilt. Where do you think it started to

00:24:09.580 seep into the minds of white people and who do you think was behind pushing it initially?

00:24:15.380 Well, I think first of all, there's an assumption that all races feel guilt equally. And

00:24:21.680 I don't know that that's actually the case. Um, not a lot of cultures have, um, this guilt driven

00:24:29.580 ethos. Guilt isn't the same as shame. Shame is external pressures, whereas guilt is internal and

00:24:37.600 self-directed. So guilt gives us the ability for self-improvement. And it's kind of been our Achilles

00:24:44.640 heel because considering how powerful Europeans have historically been, all non-Europeans are going

00:24:52.160 to have an interest in guilt tripping Europeans because it, it is a weakness of ours, even though

00:24:56.920 it's also a source of our great personal strength. And so I think white guilt has always been this seed

00:25:05.760 in us because it's, it's just part of who we are. This, this capacity to feel guilt, this capacity

00:25:11.920 for self-reflection, this idea that if you feel guilt, it should motivate you to do better the next

00:25:16.900 time. And that's really easy for anyone who wants to manipulate you to exploit. Even other white people

00:25:21.960 can use that to manipulate you. Now you mentioned guilt as a strength. Can you expand more on that?

00:25:27.220 How do you see that as a strength? For me, I've never seen it as a strength in my life. I've actually

00:25:32.240 felt great when I can shed any kind of guilt, but yeah, having a conscience, I guess having a

00:25:36.620 conscience is quite different than guilt. Well, it's, your conscience is related to guilt. Um,

00:25:43.260 if, if you're feeling guilty and you're feeling guilty because you've done wrong, then that's an

00:25:48.300 appropriate time to feel guilt and feeling guilty. It doesn't feel nice, but it can motivate you to do

00:25:54.920 better the next time you can say, well, I made the wrong choice here. I did something that was immoral,

00:25:59.600 or I did something that was wrong. I did something that hurt someone else or that hurt me. And I need

00:26:04.120 to make better choices going forward. If you don't have that, you are totally reliant on other people

00:26:09.140 shaming you to do the right thing. And there's a place for shame too. Um, but if you don't have any

00:26:15.480 internally self-directed guilt, um, then how are you ever going to feel motivated to better yourself as a

00:26:23.620 person? And if you don't feel motivated to better yourself as a person, where are you going to get the

00:26:27.940 motivation to better your society as a whole? Yeah. Do you think that there are some tribes of

00:26:33.440 people or races of people that don't feel as much guilt? It'd be interesting to have studies about

00:26:38.660 that. It would be fascinating to have a study on that. I do vaguely remember, um, encountering a study

00:26:45.580 on Europeans and Japanese. And those, as far as I know, are the only ones who have been studied

00:26:51.300 and shown to have guilt. But of course, this isn't something that academia as it currently stands is

00:26:56.900 ever going to pursue, but we don't necessarily have evidence that other races feel guilt the way we

00:27:02.460 do, but we assume that they do. And when you assume that they all feel guilt the way we do,

00:27:08.140 then you can start projecting your experiences in the way you think onto them. Because we as Europeans

00:27:14.640 are very guilt motivated people, but that doesn't mean everyone else is. And it's, it's probably not

00:27:20.680 actually a good idea to assume they are without any evidence.

00:27:23.500 Well, since you're quite philosophical and sounds like you've studied a little bit of psychology,

00:27:28.840 how, how do you begin to unravel this white guilt then? I mean, you know, all the same

00:27:34.560 bullshit lines, right? As an American, slavery, colonialism, Jim Crow, blah, blah, blah. These

00:27:40.720 are the things that are beaten over, you know, white kids' heads in school. Oh, the Holocaust,

00:27:44.800 right? And then they live with this guilt and the shame they feel they can't assert themselves

00:27:48.940 because this and this and that, or whatever they think happened a few hundred years ago. So

00:27:53.800 how do you begin to unravel that in their minds?

00:27:57.840 Well, it's a sins of the father fallacy. If your father murders somebody, should we put you in jail

00:28:03.360 for it just because he got away with it? I mean, nobody in their right mind would agree to that,

00:28:08.560 that it, it's patently unfair, but somehow it gets twisted when you start talking about things

00:28:14.440 like colonialism and slavery and you start saying all white people are guilty. So that's an example

00:28:19.000 of guilt being used to manipulate you because it's inappropriate guilt. You don't actually have

00:28:23.920 a reason to feel guilty because you didn't actually do anything wrong. And to feel guilt on behalf of

00:28:29.780 somebody else is not appropriate guilt. Yeah. I think a lot of these kids just need their parents

00:28:34.920 to say that, but a lot of these parents are just absent and they just let the schools teach

00:28:39.000 whatever. You know, I was just with some friends yesterday and we were all recalling how in school

00:28:44.980 we were seeing pictures of, you know, or not pictures, but imagery of Holocaust survivors.

00:28:50.980 And there would always be a Holocaust survivor who would come in and talk to the kids when they're

00:28:54.820 like 10 years old, telling them stories about this. I mean, it's really pushed in their heads from

00:28:58.460 a young age. And then, yeah, they already start feeling guilty about those things at 10 years old.

00:29:03.000 And it's quite traumatic hearing some of those stories as well. But there needs to be a mom and a dad

00:29:07.860 at home who's, you know, keeping an eye on what this curriculum is and kind of setting the kids

00:29:11.900 straight so that this guilt doesn't seep in there and continue into adulthood.

00:29:16.800 Yeah, I feel very fortunate that I was not in a school that was big enough to have that kind of

00:29:22.720 stuff. But I think most people my age were exposed to that. And the problem is that their parents were

00:29:29.100 exposed to it, too. So we're about four generations deep into the Cold War subversion of the U.S.

00:29:35.280 education system. Well, Western education in general, because they didn't just target the U.S.

00:29:39.880 So you've got you've got, you know, three or four generations of people that have been totally

00:29:44.540 brainwashed by this and have never been given an alternative viewpoint. So even if parents are

00:29:48.920 paying attention to what their children are learning in school, that doesn't necessarily mean they're

00:29:54.420 going to see anything wrong with it because they were taught the same thing and don't know any different.

00:29:58.120 Now, this is always a big question. Is this this mess that we're in? We've allowed all these

00:30:02.140 anti-white politics to flourish. We're self-hating as a people. We've opened the doors to, you know,

00:30:08.080 globalism, mass immigration. Have we collectively done this to ourselves or do you think that there

00:30:13.060 are, you know, subversive groups among us who are pushing for it? How do you tackle this question?

00:30:19.300 There are definitely subversive groups among us who push for those things, but we allow them to

00:30:24.300 continue to operate. I mean, I hate to say this because I do value Western traditions of freedom.

00:30:34.100 But if you're going to have that, then you need to be very careful of who you let in to share in that.

00:30:42.600 And this is kind of the problem with open societies. They are very open to those subversive elements.

00:30:48.500 They're very easy to come in and undermine. The only way to keep them out is basically to clamp down

00:30:54.160 on a lot of freedoms or at least have very, very closed borders, a very closed society. I mean,

00:31:00.260 North Korea probably doesn't have a problem with subversion.

00:31:04.680 Yeah, they definitely don't. It's funny. They're commie, but they're very nationalistic, aren't they?

00:31:09.120 I mean, everyone there has black hair. They all look the same.

00:31:13.480 Yeah. And I mean, that was how the communists, the Soviets operated was you find an open society,

00:31:21.160 you start putting in all these subversive elements because you can't subvert a society that isn't open.

00:31:26.940 And as soon as it becomes communist, you then close it. You clamp down, it becomes a completely

00:31:32.340 closed society. So all the things that they pushed into Western societies, they didn't actually want

00:31:36.860 in their own communist countries because they knew it was subversive. And when they took over,

00:31:40.880 they would clean those elements out. I mean, the subversive people think they're going to be in

00:31:44.560 charge. In reality, they were just lined up and shot.

00:31:46.920 I mean, some of these subversive groups, what they're doing, how they're trying to transform

00:31:50.640 European countries. Do you think that in their minds, they really think it's going to be like a

00:31:54.860 Brazilian utopia or is it more sinister than that? Is it really about crushing us? You know,

00:32:01.340 a possible fear of the rise of fascism or actual hatred of white people? What do you think some of

00:32:06.880 their motives would be?

00:32:09.160 I think it's some of both. I think there are people who really are just useful idiots and don't know what

00:32:13.400 they're doing. Like, they haven't really thought about it. Maybe they really do think that what

00:32:18.760 they're fighting for is a good thing and that it's all going to work out really well in the end.

00:32:23.380 Other people, I think, are actually just motivated by hatred of Europeans and European culture as well,

00:32:29.340 obviously.

00:32:30.120 Oh, definitely. And I've heard some people say, well, you know, no, we can't have nationalism because that

00:32:34.560 leads to war. It's like, look around, forcing people to live with each other and, you know,

00:32:39.360 people mass migrating into other people's countries or, you know, us invading other countries and

00:32:44.380 bringing them democracy with bombs. That's what's creating all the tension, right?

00:32:49.320 Yeah, well, it's the old equation. Diversity plus proximity equals conflict.

00:32:54.800 You don't have racial conflict when you have segregated societies.

00:33:00.420 Yeah, it's really quite simple. People are talking about let's end racism and let's end

00:33:04.500 oppression. Okay, we'll just give all these groups their own countries. Actually, they all have them.

00:33:08.140 We're the only ones who don't. And then everyone looks like you and then it ends racism. Then you

00:33:12.360 won't be complaining anymore, right? You won't have to complain about those awful white people

00:33:15.760 because they won't be around you anymore.

00:33:18.240 Exactly. And that would make a lot of sense. And the fact is that the people who push

00:33:23.980 multiculturalism, like the elites who push it, are not actually interested in like any kind of

00:33:29.280 multiracial utopia. They know that it's a destabilizing element of society and that's why they

00:33:35.120 push it. The more society is destabilized, the greater the interest in and the popular opinion

00:33:41.240 is for greater state power and regulations. And the more they can just move in and do what they want

00:33:47.660 with us little people.

00:33:49.100 I noticed, too, there's the capitalist element, these megacorporations. They love it because

00:33:53.600 there's more people coming in drinking Coke and eating burgers. And they don't question things like

00:33:58.140 white people who go shop at Whole Foods and want to know what they're eating, who boycott

00:34:01.400 companies, right? Some of these people that come in, they just think it's wonderful. These strip

00:34:05.480 malls and these big box stores and these chains, they just gobble it all up. They don't ask any

00:34:10.420 questions. They're just really good consumers, right?

00:34:14.520 Yeah. And I mean, you certainly don't see advertisements on TV telling you to buy less.

00:34:20.380 Um, it's all about, it's all about the dollars and, you know, do, I don't know, you know, I think

00:34:28.540 we don't really benefit from buying all this stuff and giving these companies so much say so in the

00:34:36.940 economy, but it's just the way it is.

00:34:40.140 Yeah. I can't stand it when I see a lot of these strip malls and I drive around in these new towns

00:34:44.960 that are being formed in America that are just rootless and no architecture, just strip malls,

00:34:49.580 just to be able to house the influx of this new population that's migrating over here. I mean, we

00:34:55.080 have a million a year, over a million a year legally, that doesn't include all the illegals.

00:35:00.360 So now we're going to be chopping down the forests and building strip malls to be able to house all

00:35:05.040 these people. And then people say, it's great because the economy is growing and they're just

00:35:08.560 building more and more and more strip malls. You know, it's just, it's a nightmare. What point does it

00:35:12.520 end? At what point is this going to collapse? And could this even continue if there weren't

00:35:17.040 white people propping it up? Right.

00:35:19.940 Well, I don't think it would continue with white people propping it up because in, you know,

00:35:24.680 countries like America, white people pay the vast majority of taxes. So who's going to continue

00:35:30.620 propping up the non-whites once they're not around to pay taxes anymore, or if they just decide that

00:35:35.240 they're going to stop working? So the idea that immigrants are a positive to the economy,

00:35:43.680 maybe only in the very, very short term, I think there's some really, there's some legitimate

00:35:49.060 questions that could be asked about their benefit to the economy and whether or not they're actually

00:35:53.040 in that drain.

00:35:54.380 And then I hate the, oh, well, they do all the jobs that you don't want to do. That's bullshit. Now

00:35:59.840 they're employed in every single sector that Americans are from top to bottom and everything

00:36:04.920 in between. I mean, it's ridiculous. And there's not even enough jobs for our people that are in

00:36:10.000 this country already, you know? Yeah, well, the demand for low skill, low IQ labor is at an all time

00:36:18.480 low. Many jobs could be automated. I mean, what use do we have for importing a whole bunch of people

00:36:26.220 with double digit IQs? We, we're not going to need them going forward. These, these jobs Americans

00:36:34.000 won't do. Well, if we didn't have immigrants there doing them, there would be a greater push for

00:36:39.060 automation anyway. Like, it's not like we don't have the technology and we're moving in that direction

00:36:43.860 anyway. So I think that's, I think that, again, that's just very intellectually dishonest to say that

00:36:49.420 they do the jobs we don't do and we need them for the economy because we did just fine before we had

00:36:55.480 them there and we will do just fine again. And you know what? Let's say it's true. Let's say we,

00:37:01.220 that they're good for the economy. I will happily take a hit to my living standards. I would not even

00:37:05.940 complain. Yeah. I mean, come on. We've gone to the moon. We've gone into space. We've gone deep down

00:37:11.200 into the ocean. Now we're inventing robots that flip the damn burgers and are cleaning. I mean,

00:37:17.380 I was just looking at a vacuum the other day that cleans itself. That's pretty high tech and it's not

00:37:21.020 that much money. So they're coming around. Eventually we'll have robots that clean and I'd love to own

00:37:25.220 one of those, you know, save some time. So then we can do some more shows on anti-white politics,

00:37:29.480 right? Yeah. Well, I do have a robot vacuum cleaner, but I have to say it didn't live up to

00:37:35.700 the height. Oh, that's too bad. Is it like bumping things and scuffing things and awkwardly moving?

00:37:42.780 Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't do a very good job of navigating. And my, my hope was that the cat would

00:37:47.960 ride on it and he could be a YouTube star riding on the Roomba, but he's afraid of it. So that didn't

00:37:52.660 work out. Oh boy. The other thing I was here too, is well, with white people becoming a minority and

00:37:59.380 the birth rate comes up, well, you guys aren't having any babies. You need to have more babies.

00:38:02.980 Well, here's the thing though. Even if we're all having five, six babies, they're still coming in

00:38:08.560 at a rate that like we, we still can't keep up with. The majority of the world is not white. White

00:38:14.060 people are a minority. So we'd have to be just breeding like rabbits constantly to be able to

00:38:18.360 keep up with this inflow and his population wars. Is that, is that really where it should go thinking

00:38:23.480 long-term with the resources and whatnot? Because I think even with a smaller white population,

00:38:28.100 if it becomes white, you know, we, we ebb and we flow the white population in the past. And that's

00:38:33.020 just how it is. It's not, doesn't mean that it's the end for us. I think if anything, we do kind of

00:38:37.940 need to become trimmer and more fit and whites kind of need a little bit of a reset. Would you agree?

00:38:45.860 Yeah, I do agree. And I don't think that just having more and more kids is ever going to be

00:38:52.360 the answer because no matter what we do, we're still vastly outnumbered. And even if we all have

00:38:59.620 five or six kids, even if all the non-whites still all have five or six kids, again, we're like,

00:39:04.300 we're not really moving the needle. There are ways to deal with that that don't involve

00:39:11.300 using people like livestock and that's closing the borders and deporting immigrants and saying

00:39:19.480 these lands are for white people, for white children and for a white future. And, you know,

00:39:26.080 I, I'm not even convinced that it's necessarily good for people to have that many children,

00:39:30.400 which I know is probably going to be a really unpopular thing to say on your channel,

00:39:33.800 but I'm not, I'm not one of those people that goes around and says, have as many kids as you can.

00:39:39.540 And I'm, I'm more, have as many kids as you think you can handle and you can afford and raise them

00:39:44.580 really, really well.

00:39:45.940 Well, that's, that's very important. Of course, you have to be able to take care of the ones that

00:39:49.620 you do have properly and not everyone can handle as many. Some, some parents can and some can't.

00:39:55.940 So it has to be what's right for you as long as you're having them.

00:39:59.220 Yeah, absolutely. Some, some parents do a fantastic job with large families and some parents struggle

00:40:05.080 to just cope with one or two. It's a very personal choice. And I, I don't think that it's something

00:40:09.620 that we need to be judging each other about.

00:40:12.520 Yep. I agree. Well, let's talk about the points you brought up in your video,

00:40:16.400 what the left gets right. So what are some things you think that they get right?

00:40:21.860 It was such a short video because there's not very many things.

00:40:25.020 Um, probably the biggest thing is I, my perception is that the left is a lot more supportive of each

00:40:35.360 other than the right wing is. Good number of people want to be the center of attention and,

00:40:40.340 and they want all the praise for themselves as, and be held up as this alt-right thought leader.

00:40:45.800 It's kind of like, um, you know, the leftists are busy playing soccer. They're working together

00:40:50.960 as a team for a common goal and they don't really care who kicks the ball into the goal. Um,

00:40:57.000 right wingers are busy playing tennis and not even doubles tennis. It's their solo. And it's like,

00:41:02.660 look at me, look at me. I want to be the best. And I think it's not a very helpful attitude to have,

00:41:09.560 um, having, having a lot of people who are very ego driven means that they're making it about

00:41:15.360 themselves, not about what's best for the cause. And also I think the left is, um, just kind of

00:41:22.660 dovetailing off that they're very united in their purpose. They don't sit there arguing about which

00:41:27.460 enemy they should prioritize, whichever one it like they, um, they commit crimes of opportunity.

00:41:35.380 You know, if, if they see a target, they just go for it. They don't sit there strategizing about

00:41:40.820 whether or not that's the best target to attack at this particular time. It's like, look,

00:41:44.780 there's low hanging fruit. Let's take it. And the right, we'll just sit there and be like,

00:41:49.080 well, I'm not going to help you fight your enemy because I want to take care of mine first. You

00:41:53.240 know, there's no point doing anything about the Muslims if we haven't done something about

00:41:57.320 immigration, immigration and borders and the welfare state. And while there's no point doing anything

00:42:02.900 about that, if we haven't taken care of the Jews yet. And it's just this constant arguing and

00:42:06.880 infighting about what's more important. That's like, who cares if you've got a target, just go for it.

00:42:13.560 Yeah. Like if, if you're out target shooting, you don't sit there and wait for the perfect bird.

00:42:19.520 You take the one that comes along first and is the closest.

00:42:23.240 Yeah, it's true. I get tired of it too. It's just, can we just focus on the, excuse me, but the,

00:42:28.600 the fucking goal, the big picture and stop nitpicking with people on your side. This isn't

00:42:33.880 high school. This is, this is survival. This is the future of our people. And sometimes I wonder too,

00:42:39.360 sometimes I wonder too, if there aren't some agitators or, you know, GIDF, you know, Tel Aviv

00:42:44.780 in the basement kind of stuff happening with some, some of the comments and some of the things that I

00:42:49.620 see happening and some of the attacks, because we really are in the spotlight right now. I mean,

00:42:54.260 there's all kinds of enemies that are swarming around and wanting to infiltrate into the alt,

00:42:58.280 right? So sometimes I wonder if some of that isn't stirred up, but if it, if it is sincere,

00:43:02.240 yeah, I got to cut that crap out. Always, always invest your time and your energy slamming the

00:43:09.900 enemy. Not people who are on your side, not people who are 90% on your side or 60% or 50%

00:43:14.900 on your side. Always slam at the enemy with all your energy. I remember I had Arthur Kemp on and he

00:43:20.660 too was basically telling me that the worst attacks he's had has been people from his own side.

00:43:26.880 Yeah. Not even.

00:43:27.920 It's the same thing.

00:43:28.660 Yeah. I mean, this is bull. Yeah. That's, that's got to go. And those kinds of people

00:43:32.160 who act like that, maybe they need to be shamed, shamed out to the outer circles,

00:43:36.160 if you know what I mean. Yeah. Unfortunately, we'd be getting rid of a lot of people on our team if

00:43:42.420 we did that, I think. But yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. It's this, it's about survival.

00:43:47.100 This isn't a game. If you want to play a game where you're sitting there thinking about the best

00:43:51.280 strategy, go and set up a game of risk with your friends and leave the rest of us to do serious

00:43:57.720 adult business of saving Western civilization. We don't have time to sit around and argue about

00:44:03.040 what's the best strategy and when it should best be implemented. I mean, things change. You have to

00:44:09.280 do what's expedient and what's convenient and what works at the time. You know, I, I support people

00:44:16.920 that I don't agree with a hundred percent. We're all travelers on the same train. Some people might

00:44:22.400 get off a few stops before we want to, we might get off a few stops before someone else does. But

00:44:27.120 you know, until we get to our stop, there's no reason that we can't work together. And as you say,

00:44:31.700 focus on the big picture. Yeah. And it's also about being understanding of new people that come

00:44:36.520 in too. I've, I've seen some people just to critique a little bit on the alt, right? I've seen

00:44:41.140 some new people come in and maybe they don't have a sterling past or they made some mistakes in the

00:44:45.180 past and they get attacked for that. When they've actually come around, they wake up to these

00:44:50.240 things later on in their life. They realize a lot of us have been fooled by Marxist anti-white

00:44:55.120 propaganda. We've gone to liberal schools. So you got to cut some people, some slack by the time

00:44:59.860 they get here. If they've done some stupid things in their past or made stupid decisions, you know,

00:45:04.440 we all have a process of growth. We all wisen up. We all learn as we go. And there needs to be some

00:45:09.180 compassion and understanding and sensitivity for the new people that come in. Because if you act like a

00:45:14.280 steel fist and puritanical and religious and hardcore with them, that's going to scare people away.

00:45:20.580 Absolutely. And I have heard some kind of newcomers to the movement say that, you know, they,

00:45:26.280 they don't feel like it's a very welcoming movement and they feel very out of place. They're,

00:45:31.780 they feel judged for their past or that they're not on board with all the same ideas. And it's like,

00:45:36.180 if you've got somebody coming who wants to be in your club at a time when we really need members,

00:45:41.020 you take that person by the hand and you answer all their questions and you'd be really nice to them.

00:45:45.700 Exactly. Like they have made the effort to come to our side on their own. Don't drive them away.

00:45:54.540 That's correct. Yeah. I had a guest on recently and she was talking about her past and how she went to

00:46:00.840 a Berkeley school of music and she was basically brainwashed by a lot of propaganda. And she thought,

00:46:07.280 oh, I have to date a mixed race person. That's the right thing to do. And she did that. And she

00:46:11.880 realized he was a, an illegal alien. Right. But she's, yeah. Yeah. I listened to that one the

00:46:17.880 other day. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she got a lot of health for that. I noticed a lot of health for

00:46:22.180 that. And even though she is a beautiful woman who's on our side, who married a Norwegian man,

00:46:27.340 has a beautiful Norwegian child. She's got her face out there, her name out there. And she's,

00:46:33.000 she's one of us. So anytime I see comments like, like that, I think, okay, some of these have got

00:46:37.780 to be JIDF, bitter MGTOW. But if they are on our side, you know, shame on you for attacking a

00:46:44.140 beautiful woman such as that, who has, who, who fessed up about her past, who's come around to

00:46:50.120 who's on our side, that kind of shit has to stop, I think. Exactly. And I mean, she's done already a lot

00:46:56.720 more than a lot of those haters will have. I mean, as you say, she's put her face and name out

00:47:00.880 there. She's had children. She just because she's made a few mistakes in the past, and this is true

00:47:06.460 for anyone who's made a few mistakes, as long as they're doing it correctly now, then they should

00:47:11.740 be commended for that. I mean, some of those people have had to come a much further way to get where

00:47:16.620 they are than, you know, somebody like maybe myself has, I didn't have to travel that far to

00:47:21.240 get here. But people who are coming from a very far left or liberal background, where they may have

00:47:25.880 been brainwashed by those ideas, they've had a tougher road to follow. That is correct. So we've

00:47:32.280 got to keep these things in mind, folks, because we do have to be welcoming. We want all the recruits

00:47:37.220 that we can get. We want people to feel like they have a tribe, they have good friends, they have

00:47:41.040 family, they have people that watch their backs, not judge them like basically how liberals do,

00:47:47.200 puritanical liberals. If everything isn't just so, then you can't be part of our group. We can't be,

00:47:52.180 can't be like that, can't be like them. You know, and you have, there's a tendency, sometimes people,

00:47:57.260 if they study something that they hate for too long, they kind of start becoming the thing that

00:48:00.840 they hate. So there's the danger of that too. So you can't become the thing that you hate.

00:48:04.760 Yes. Another good video you brought up was about canceling Netflix. And I agree 100%. I hate it when I

00:48:12.040 hear that some, some nationalists I talk to, or I see people tweeting about, oh, on Netflix, I saw this.

00:48:17.440 Why are you people still supporting Netflix? I mean, the owner of Netflix is a anti-white

00:48:23.560 globalist. So why are you giving him your money? And why are you supporting this

00:48:27.520 crap filth programming coming out of Netflix? So tell us why they should cancel it.

00:48:33.660 Yeah, well, it is, it's tough to find companies to support that aren't run by SJWs anymore. But

00:48:39.780 I'm actually just anti-TV in general. I have not had a TV in many years. Best decision I ever made.

00:48:46.100 It is such a waste of time. I don't see the point in paying money to have degeneracy streamed into my

00:48:53.380 home. I mean, I like, and what a waste of time. There's, I actually, I can't watch TV because I

00:48:59.800 just, I feel too guilty about not doing something more productive. So if I do have to watch it, I like

00:49:05.780 30 minutes is probably my, my limit. And then I'm like, no, I've got to go do something else.

00:49:10.440 But, um, you know, the, the amount of time that some people spend watching TV absolutely boggles

00:49:16.780 my mind how they can spend that much time on something so passive. Go read a book, go write

00:49:23.860 an article, go meet people in the real world, or like, cook yourself a healthy meal. Like, I don't

00:49:29.860 know, like, just do something that's not watching TV, because you're not learning anything from it.

00:49:34.580 And you're just having all of these really subversive ideas put into your mind. Even people

00:49:39.260 who are red pilled still need to watch with caution.

00:49:42.920 Yeah, it's true. Absolutely. I like to do certain reviews for people so I can, you have to kind of

00:49:48.180 teach some people who are newcomers to this to what to look out for. You have to teach people how to

00:49:53.060 think, how to see the programming that's coming out, you know, so I like to use it for review purposes

00:49:58.600 if I take a certain show or whatever, but I don't pay for it. There's some people that actually go

00:50:03.860 to, they'll actually go and pay, like, I saw a lot of people go pay to see Star Wars in the movie

00:50:08.900 theater while they're talking about, oh my god, it was so anti-Widen's anti-Widen's. I was like,

00:50:12.040 well, you gave them your $15 or whatever, you know, why'd you do that?

00:50:16.980 Yeah, I, I think my last straw in terms of even streaming a lot of stuff online was the Vikings show.

00:50:25.520 Yeah, I saw that. And I have, I have noticed that shows like that are becoming a little bit

00:50:30.980 more popular and they start out really well. And it's like, oh, this is fantastic. They're

00:50:36.000 finally making a show that portrays our history in. And then he dates an Asian. Positive and interesting

00:50:41.680 light. Well, yeah, first, you know, there's infidelity and then there's race mixing. And I

00:50:47.700 hear now there's some homosexuality. Oh, Lagertha, she has a girlfriend. Yeah.

00:50:52.720 Yes. I, I have not watched past the first season or so. Um, because it was just, I'm not going to

00:51:00.120 support that kind of, um, degeneracy and mocking of our cultural heritage. Of course, exactly. That's

00:51:06.800 when you turn it off at that point. Like, screw you, you know? Yeah. And there's a lot of that being

00:51:11.300 made now I see. And it's almost like they're delighting in it. And I've seen some producers

00:51:15.860 make comments about that. Like they almost want to kind of twist it into, they want to bug the

00:51:21.260 alt-right. They want to bug nationalists and pro-whites. So they make this content and then

00:51:25.860 kind of throw in some of this filth in there just to agitate them. I've actually seen producers tweet

00:51:30.320 things about that. So they're knowingly doing that too. Okay. Well, I haven't seen the tweets or

00:51:36.180 anything, but I don't follow it that closely. But I think it has become a common formula to have,

00:51:42.980 you know, the first season or two of a show like that, um, be quite appealing. And then they

00:51:48.880 gradually start introducing things like, oh, maybe you'll suddenly see a few black extras among

00:51:53.500 the Vikings. And then, you know, the, the occasional race mixing or, or homosexuality or, you know,

00:52:02.200 whatever other disgusting stuff they can think of. Yeah. There were, there were no Vikings. Well,

00:52:08.040 let's talk about some misconceptions and stereotypes about nationalist women and their relationships with

00:52:14.440 men. Some things that we see kind of pushed by the opposition all the time, right? You and I,

00:52:19.040 or we must be brainwashed or controlled by men or chained to the stove. What are some things that you

00:52:24.060 encounter that are ridiculous? You know, maybe some of those stereotypes are true for some people.

00:52:30.780 Stereotypes don't come out of nowhere, but I think those stereotypes are actually more based in like

00:52:35.480 the 1950s conception of the housewife, which was a historical anomaly to say the least. Um,

00:52:41.340 in terms of the women and men's relationships, I think, um, I, the last video I'd put up about

00:52:49.700 female hypergamy got a lot of hate from the MGTOWs. Um, I think somebody shared it on a men's

00:52:56.680 rights subreddit or something. Yeah. They're always buttered about something. Some woman says,

00:53:00.520 you know, they were triggered by the title and a lot of them didn't even watch the video. They just

00:53:04.480 downvoted it. Um, but it's, there's this idea that the only reason why white women won't date

00:53:12.340 white men is become because of feminism. I was like, well, no, that's not true. I mean, many white

00:53:17.940 men are lazy and weak and we don't need feminism to turn us off those men. But I think a lot of these,

00:53:24.120 um, white men are using feminism as an excuse to hate white women in general, but feminists don't

00:53:31.000 speak for all white women and they don't even speak for most white women. I think something

00:53:35.940 like fewer than 20% of, of women of all colors agree that they're a feminist. And I kind of think,

00:53:43.200 you know, white men need to stop listening to this feminist propaganda and start learning to listen

00:53:48.020 to real white women. Exactly. Like don't listen to what the feminists are telling you that women want.

00:53:54.080 Like we're nationalist women. Listen to us. Yeah. The majority of, exactly. And the majority of white

00:54:00.520 women in America voted for Trump. Okay. So just because CNN shows some women's march and is like,

00:54:05.820 oh my God, you know, all these women are feminists. Don't believe it. I mean, it's all just hype that

00:54:10.740 the majority of women really aren't feminists. Like you said, it really is a small, loud group and the

00:54:17.020 fake news just likes to prop them up. Like they're this huge demographic, but it's not true.

00:54:21.060 Yeah. And I mean, feminism is, it's anti-white. It's, it's trying to divide white men and women and

00:54:27.340 destroy the family unit. And when I encounter white men who take feminists seriously, I'm just like,

00:54:35.760 I just kind of want to grab their head and like turn them toward me and be like,

00:54:39.680 read my lips. I'm telling you, we don't all want to marry billionaires. We don't all want to sleep

00:54:46.540 around. Like a lot of us are happy just to marry a normal guy and have a normal family with children

00:54:53.200 in a modest house. Like we're not all gold diggers. Yeah, exactly. I don't know how many

00:55:00.000 times I have to say it. Yeah. You almost feel sorry for some of those beta male MGTOW guys. You

00:55:06.500 know, that's, well, that's exactly what our enemies would want, right? Exactly what they want. White men

00:55:11.060 to walk away from white women and say, screw you forever. And I'm not going to have kids and I'm

00:55:15.060 going to go gay now. That's exactly what the enemies, but they would love that. They're

00:55:18.760 delighting. They're rubbing their palms about that idea right now, right?

00:55:24.040 Yeah. And I mean, whatever MGTOWs align themselves with politically, I still do sort of see them as

00:55:29.260 an enemy, just like feminism. They're anti-family. They're trying to turn men away from having families.

00:55:34.440 They're pitting them against white women. They're telling them that all white women are horrible and

00:55:39.660 evil and just want their money and will marry them and take their children later. And this is just

00:55:45.840 simply not true. I don't care what they say. It's not true. And for them to be telling men this

00:55:52.000 at a time when we have a demographic crisis tells me that they are not on our side.

00:55:57.640 Exactly. And there has been a few MGTOW guys who have wisened up and they have come to our side

00:56:01.880 and they've seen, oh yeah, duh. These people that are talking, you and I, we're providing an answer,

00:56:06.880 something that can make men happy, make women happy. We're trying to unify them, make them happy again.

00:56:11.740 But we're also, one thing I hear a lot of lefties say, and I get this question a lot,

00:56:15.540 oh, are you trying to go back to the 1950s? No one's trying to go back to the 1950s. Are you as

00:56:19.980 a woman trying to go back to the 1950s? No, I don't think I'd actually like to be that kind

00:56:25.960 of woman. And I don't, maybe that's not the norm among nationalist women, but I don't really fancy

00:56:33.180 just like being at home and cooking and raising kids all day. Like I need a little bit more

00:56:39.060 intellectual stimulation than that. And this is where the ultra-right woman is different. And I've been

00:56:43.840 telling a lot of people that. There's a lot of, you know, kind of fashy housewives and they're

00:56:48.460 raising their kids' rights. But a lot of us alt-right women, we need a little intellectual

00:56:53.260 meat. We need to be involved in the fight. You know, I don't know, I think of us more as a little

00:56:57.980 bit more of a shield maiden influence, right? Maybe some of the Viking or ancient European kind of

00:57:03.120 women who were involved in different things. But no, we don't want to just be chained to the stove.

00:57:08.040 This is a war. We have to step up. We have to all contribute in different ways. I mean,

00:57:11.780 this is, we're being pushed against the wall. You know, this is a dire time. Also, the 1950s by then,

00:57:18.380 I mean, it was really not a good time. I mean, we killed a bunch of Germans. You know, Germans in

00:57:23.480 America are killing Germans overseas. America had already been infested. You know, a lot of Soviets

00:57:30.060 came in. A lot of cultural Marxists were already coming into the university. They also started building

00:57:34.620 up that cookie cutter kind of neighborhood. It was actually Jewish developers who started that,

00:57:39.760 that cookie cutter tracked kind of home. So there's a lot of things I don't like about it. The one

00:57:44.140 good thing I did like is the average size woman was a size four. You know, it was pretty white.

00:57:50.220 Family units were healthy. It wasn't degenerate. So there's certain things that we like, but no one's

00:57:54.660 trying to go back to the 1950s. We don't have a time machine. I think that we want to take different

00:57:59.640 things from the past, from, you know, all kinds of generations and infuse them into the current year,

00:58:06.960 right? Exactly. And I don't think that, I mean, look, you know, keeping house and raising children

00:58:14.420 is just part of life if you want to have a family. But I don't think that needs to be any

00:58:18.240 woman's be all and end all. I don't know too many men who would even ask that of their wives or too

00:58:23.580 many women who want just that for themselves. I'm sure there are some and that's fine if that's what

00:58:27.440 they want. There's nothing wrong with that. But I can only speak for myself personally,

00:58:34.180 but that's not what I'm fighting to bring back. And I mean, historically, women have often worked

00:58:39.020 outside the home and have been involved in, even if not in politics, in their society and culture

00:58:46.720 in other ways. As you say, chained to the stove, it's not a realistic expectation. And I've never

00:58:52.980 actually heard anybody say that that's what they're after. Exactly. It took teamwork in the

00:58:57.220 past, right? It took two to survive. And, you know, you kind of work it out in a marriage,

00:59:02.420 you find what works right by still keeping that feminine masculine balance. At least that's what

00:59:07.400 works for me. There's certain things that I like, there's certain things he likes, and together it

00:59:11.540 just works. And I think it's personal between a couple. I think the most important thing is that we

00:59:16.540 raise our kids right and we fight for the future of our people. I've met all kinds of different

00:59:21.200 alt-right couples in different situations. Some where actually the woman makes more money,

00:59:25.760 some where the man's actually a better cook. So there's all kinds of different combos. I don't

00:59:29.660 think we have to be just strapped down into some rigid mode. As long as the family unit is cared

00:59:35.220 for, I think that's the most important part. Exactly. So what makes you and I different,

00:59:41.120 you think, as women that we, you know, we can see through these lies of multiculturalism,

00:59:45.920 but a lot of other women can't? I know this is a hard question, and I always think about

00:59:50.160 this, but what makes us different? It is a hard question, and I think I really struggle

00:59:58.800 to find other women like this. I don't know if it's just a question of having like more of a man

01:00:05.500 brain than most women have. Yeah, I've questioned that too. I don't think it necessarily has to do

01:00:11.500 with testosterone, but it's, I think it's going to be different for a lot of people. We all kind of

01:00:18.640 have our different path that we take to get here, and I think some of us are just naturally, like,

01:00:24.220 if you've got a higher IQ or something, you're going to be naturally more curious. You're going

01:00:29.020 to be more interested in these kind of topics. You're going to be more interested in finding the

01:00:32.820 truth, I think. I think a lot of us have had, you know, real life experience with being treated

01:00:39.100 badly by non-whites, like, particularly like as women or even as blonde women especially,

01:00:46.180 the way that we get treated by non-white men. A lot of us have been bullied for being white.

01:00:55.500 I've been picked on for having blonde hair. That's coveted around the world, the kind of blonde

01:01:02.740 hair you have. Like, other countries have been like killed to have that, you know? No, I recall

01:01:08.060 waiting at the bus stop once in university, and I just missed the bus and had to wait another half

01:01:13.860 hour, so I got out one of my textbooks and started studying, and some random guy just came up to me

01:01:18.600 and said, I didn't know Barbies could read. Like, really? And it's always that stereotype, too, that

01:01:24.980 you-know-who in Hollywood has pushed to, and I think it's all out of envy and jealousy. Let's portray

01:01:29.480 all blondes as stupid airheads and sluts, right? Yeah, and I mean, the statistics say that

01:01:36.380 blondes have a slightly higher IQ than the average, so it's the idea that blondes are dumb.

01:01:43.120 It just doesn't bear out in the evidence, and I think also another reason is that a lot of people

01:01:52.380 in the alt-right seem to come from kind of traumatic family backgrounds, and nationalism is kind of the

01:01:59.960 extension of family values, and if you didn't have that growing up and you're looking for it,

01:02:05.660 it's conceivable that you might find nationalism very attractive to sort of, you know, recreate

01:02:12.140 those values that you have, but that just weren't born out in your family, and I think also some women

01:02:18.020 just aren't as concerned with the politics, but more so a self-interest, and they just see

01:02:22.340 traditionalism as being a gain for them and the lifestyle that they want, so I think it really varies

01:02:27.380 a lot from person to person and what their motivations are and what their background has

01:02:31.040 been. Yeah, I've said this before, but I think the majority of women aren't really truly convinced

01:02:35.660 in politics either way, and you can actually reason with them. A man that she's really interested in can

01:02:41.460 easily influence her and persuade her. Generally, it's a small sect of women that's actually really

01:02:47.660 interested in politics, and as we see a lot of the women that do rise to the top, I mean,

01:02:52.980 Ann Coulter, she's older, she's single, no kids. Theresa May had no kids. Merkel had no kids. The

01:03:00.020 first, I think it was in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the female prime ministers, many without

01:03:05.780 kids, so it is kind of, they have to take on a more of a male role, kind of stepping into that

01:03:12.080 male side of themselves, and that's quite exhausting for a lot of women. I know for me,

01:03:15.880 propping that up would be quite exhausting. I would be miserable always being in that masculine

01:03:21.120 mindset, you know? Well, I think for women, you know, you can't have it all. If you want to be

01:03:30.000 successful in some kind of intellectual endeavor or in a career, you are probably going to have to

01:03:36.260 sacrifice family, and if you want to have a family, you probably need to accept that you're not going

01:03:40.840 to be at the top of your field in whatever is your area of interest, which is probably, you know,

01:03:46.940 we see these politicians who have risen to the top, and they don't have kids, but they've probably

01:03:52.120 had to invest most of their life into getting where they are, and they just didn't have time

01:03:55.820 for a family. Yeah, I mean, there's been some great thinkers that we know, too, as Sam Dixon,

01:04:01.640 there's several others that they actually didn't have the opportunity to have kids, and they gave

01:04:06.240 their whole life to the movement, and I know there's been other philosophical thinkers like that

01:04:10.380 in the past, some great European writers who have influenced a lot of alt-right thought, who

01:04:14.700 they unfortunately didn't have kids either. Yeah, and that seems to be really common, where

01:04:21.340 historically, somebody who has had great intellectual achievements to contribute to our culture

01:04:27.460 did not really end up leaving behind a family, or not much of one, and, you know, I don't actually

01:04:34.600 have a problem with that. I'd like to see their genes passed on, but we need great thinkers just as

01:04:40.500 much as we need more children. There's no point in having more children if we're not even going to

01:04:45.420 continue to develop our cultures, to have something to hand down to them. That is correct. Well, last

01:04:51.000 question for you, you know, what are some things we can all be doing right now to fight back, no matter

01:04:55.600 who you are? What do you think? There's people out there, I want to help, what can they do?

01:05:00.160 Um, the most important thing is probably just speaking out wherever you get the chance, because

01:05:08.700 we all remain silent, we get nowhere. And I think, you know, when the Trump train went through,

01:05:14.800 a lot of people jumped on board, they felt more empowered to speak out. And now these ideas

01:05:18.820 are much more commonplace. I actually feel really heartened reading the comments section of any news

01:05:24.820 article because they're usually overwhelmingly right wing now. Um, and it doesn't take a lot

01:05:30.560 of effort. And even if you don't want to put your name and face out there publicly, there is no excuse

01:05:34.520 not to talk privately to your friends and family. Like that is the bare minimum that anyone can do is

01:05:40.720 just talk about your ideas with people who aren't on board yet. Um, it's probably not a lot of use to

01:05:48.660 just that they're talking amongst people who are already converted. You're preaching to the choir.

01:05:51.920 You do need to kind of go and put yourself out there with people who don't agree with you.

01:05:56.240 I think that's probably a little bit harder for women who are more conflict averse. Um, and I,

01:06:01.600 I think it's really great that we've seen more women speaking out lately. Um, I don't think we can have

01:06:08.300 too many women talking about these issues. I don't care if they're dumb and have nothing original to

01:06:14.820 contribute. I'd still want to see them out there talking. Um, I don't think they probably would be

01:06:19.500 dumb and unoriginal if they're on our side, but like, it's just, it's a numbers thing. It's a

01:06:24.540 perception thing. Like if you feel compelled to write an article or put yourself on YouTube or start

01:06:30.700 tweeting, like just go do it. Like it looks so much better to have all of these women out there

01:06:36.400 talking about these same things because it kind of gives the social okay for other women to come

01:06:41.660 on board. That doesn't happen when it's only men talking. And I have seen some people complaining

01:06:47.460 that, uh, women get more attention than the men who are talking about the same thing.

01:06:51.440 It's always been that way, boys. You know, the world, the world responds to beauty. That's just

01:06:56.340 how it is, right? That is just how it is. And that's, I can understand their frustration if they

01:07:01.540 think they have good ideas that are going unnoticed, but, um, women who speak out about these things

01:07:06.620 are, I think, kind of a gateway. And if, if you can listen to the women talk who tend to talk a little

01:07:14.020 bit less deeply than the men do, then you can kind of move on to the men who are really digging deep

01:07:19.060 into this stuff and go further down the rabbit hole. Um, there's a lot of women out there who

01:07:24.120 are excellent resources to use, to share with your friends and family who go very gently on these

01:07:30.560 topics. They're, they're wonderful in what they do. And I, I really like to support those women. So

01:07:36.100 encourage, encourage your female friends and family to speak out especially, but it's good for

01:07:40.080 everybody in general and also just speak out against bad ideas in the movement. Um, like

01:07:44.660 this white Sharia thing that's going around. Yeah. What the hell is that? Yeah. Um, I've seen it pop

01:07:53.320 up, unfortunately. I don't know how I generally stay away from comments cause it's just, what's the

01:07:58.420 point? It's a jungle, you know, but I have come across that. I, I wasn't sure at first if it was

01:08:04.400 serious, but I'm told by some male friends who are part of secret men's groups that these,

01:08:09.440 that white Sharia is talked about openly and seriously as a viable option. And it's like,

01:08:15.460 you're let me, let me get this straight. So you're going to destroy European values and culture

01:08:22.480 with a foreign ideology in order to save our identity. Like how do you save something by

01:08:29.240 destroying it? It sounds like a men, some kind of control thing. Well, a real alpha male doesn't

01:08:35.880 have to do that. He just leads by example and then the woman just follows. Yeah. It's,

01:08:41.180 it's a beta male reproductive strategy. I can't get women to come to me voluntarily. So let's just

01:08:46.620 force them. Um, these ideas are toxic and they need to be rooted out as they should not be allowed

01:08:55.580 to become mainstream ideas in this movement. If for no other reason than it is incredibly off

01:09:00.160 putting to any newcomers. Yes. If you are a newcomer and you've come to it by way of being

01:09:05.980 upset about the Islamic invasion of Europe, hearing about white Sharia isn't going to convince you to

01:09:11.480 stay. Exactly. Uh, you, you, you need women to have a future of a movement because you need to make

01:09:19.600 babies with these women. So doing things to scare off women coming in is a really retarded and suicidal

01:09:26.640 thing to do. So you should be supportive of, uh, any, any girl that's out there, no matter how lightly

01:09:32.700 she's speaking, you know, she's kind of softening the message, priming people, the bait, and then people

01:09:38.020 can come in and dig deeper. Promote the ideas like white Sharia. They don't want women to be

01:09:41.980 involved, but they use, they use the excuse that women aren't coming willingly to the movement. So

01:09:46.460 we need to force them. And like an Islamic ideology just seems to be a really good idea for how to do

01:09:53.180 that. No, look at Islamic countries. Like I don't care if it's white people running it. It's still

01:09:59.460 going to be shit. Yeah. These are beta males. Chances are they, uh, they don't have a woman. So

01:10:04.500 they're a little too lonely, if you know what I mean. So a lot of frustration coming up.

01:10:09.480 Yeah. I've never encountered somebody with a wife saying those things.

01:10:14.400 Exactly. When you, when you're busy with a woman, you know, yeah. When you're busy with a woman and

01:10:18.060 a family, you're not on YouTube commenting about how we need white Sharia to keep white women in

01:10:22.840 order because they're, they're really secretly sluts who want to have sex with black guys. Right. I mean,

01:10:27.920 come on, seriously. Well, and it's, it's the thing is, I mean, European women have, you know,

01:10:33.580 we do have kind of this strong independent spirit. We're not submissive. Like, and why,

01:10:39.320 why would we want to be, why would our men want us to be like that? Like I, I see that as something

01:10:44.960 really good about us that gives us an advantage over other people. Yeah. We're not completely

01:10:50.500 needy. We can actually help out and get things done. We're quite versatile as far as women. That's

01:10:55.420 why white women are the first to fly a plane, to go in space. We've done countless firsts,

01:11:00.400 you know, and we do thank our, our men who have built Western civilization who have enabled that

01:11:04.660 to happen. Exactly. And I, you know, we need to work together. The divisiveness is not helping to

01:11:10.860 achieve the big picture goals. Well, talk about your YouTube channel and let people know how they

01:11:17.080 can find you. Yes. So I have a YouTube channel. It's philosophicat, like philosophical, but just change

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01:11:30.260 and on Facebook. And yeah, I think I've got about 10 videos up now. Try to do maybe one every couple

01:11:38.180 of weeks. That's great. Well, keep up the good work. It's great connecting with you. I think it's

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Radio 3Fourteen - May 03, 2017

How to Talk to Normies _ Agitators Posing as Alt-Right Men

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