Radio 3Fourteen - Human Needs_ Control _ Group Think

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00:00:23.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.400 A big hello to all of you.

00:00:47.360 My name is Lana Lochteff, and today, Lisa Arbacheski from Tragedy and Hope joins me.

00:00:52.020 So sit back, relax, and have a side commentary of your own.

00:00:55.960 But remember, we're not in this to agree all the time.

00:00:58.700 We're in this to engage in healthy, philosophical discourse,

00:01:01.980 which in turn activates our hearts, minds, bodies, and souls to go on a deeper journey within.

00:01:07.860 Welcome, Lisa. How are you today?

00:01:09.840 I'm good, Lana. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me.

00:01:12.440 Sure. So did you hear about the bombs that just went off today, the Boston Marathon?

00:01:17.000 Actually, I have heard. I don't know very much.

00:01:20.900 Rich had Alex Jones on in the background, and so I know that there's something happening,

00:01:28.060 but I haven't verified anything on my own or even watched any news or listened yet on my own.

00:01:33.860 Yeah, there were a couple bombs that went off at the finish line,

00:01:36.820 and then it was just interesting because I think it was five minutes later,

00:01:40.320 the police find another one, and, oh, we had a controlled explosion that just took place.

00:01:45.980 Really?

00:01:46.420 Like, hmm, yeah, well, we'll see what comes out of that.

00:01:49.760 Rich always says news becomes history only when verified, so we'll have to wait and see,

00:01:54.040 and I'm sure take in a lot of information because with these things,

00:01:58.060 it always seems like there's a lot of information that comes out in the beginning,

00:02:01.580 and then, you know, there's more to learn as you dig in and take a look.

00:02:06.860 So I try to hold off on judgment and just take in information before I decide what I think about it.

00:02:16.640 I think that's a good place to start.

00:02:18.480 Well, before we talk about your work, tell us what you did prior to Tragedy and Hope Communications.

00:02:24.680 Well, prior to Tragedy and Hope, Rich and I actually both worked in the corporate world,

00:02:28.860 and I was in sales, actually, for Oracle, a technology company,

00:02:33.500 and I had a very lucrative job there and a bright future until I would say,

00:02:41.080 I can't talk much about it, but until I bumped into, I would say, a reality that I was not prepared for,

00:02:47.020 and I was in a situation that caused me to question a lot of the assumptions I had made,

00:02:54.020 and I guess some of the beliefs that I had, for instance, I believed that I was part of a group there

00:03:02.480 and that my job was safe and secure, and I also thought that I had rights and protections under the law.

00:03:11.420 So those, let's see, those beliefs, I guess, until you exercise your rights,

00:03:18.760 you're not really sure that you have them,

00:03:20.440 and let's just say I had some character-building experiences that caused me to rethink some things

00:03:27.340 and test my beliefs,

00:03:30.480 and it turned out that not only when I tried to test those beliefs and my rights in court,

00:03:41.020 not only did I discover that the system is rigged,

00:03:45.580 and, I mean, and when I say that, I just mean that even if you have the evidence

00:03:51.480 and you can prove your case in a court system,

00:03:54.440 it's set up so that it's like a war of attrition,

00:03:57.320 and whoever has the most money and the most resources

00:04:00.220 and can just be patient ultimately prevails.

00:04:03.800 And then, you know, I went to the media because Rich and I thought,

00:04:09.480 Rich also being a whistleblower, as Henrik has covered in his podcasts,

00:04:16.360 he and I went to the media and we thought people like Lowell Bergman of PBS Frontline

00:04:22.760 would be interested in our stories,

00:04:25.380 and we found out that there really is no investigative journalism anymore,

00:04:31.180 and the mainstream media is really more of a mouthpiece for the establishment

00:04:36.340 and for the status quo.

00:04:38.420 So guys like Lowell Bergman aren't the heroes that they're made out to be,

00:04:43.580 and the corporate world wasn't something that I wanted to go back to,

00:04:49.540 and it was really disconcerting,

00:04:55.280 but Rich saw it actually as an opportunity to create a solution,

00:05:00.000 and he said we have to be the change or become the media,

00:05:05.080 and so here we are all these years later creating our own media.

00:05:10.680 And how many years ago was this now?

00:05:12.940 Well, Rich started producing his podcast in 2006,

00:05:16.860 and I think since has produced over 500 hours of educational media,

00:05:23.940 whether it be the podcast or his films, documentaries,

00:05:30.880 the Ultimate History Lesson interview that we did with John Taylor Gatto,

00:05:35.440 which was a weekend interview where we had John Taylor Gatto,

00:05:39.760 the legendary educator, come here for,

00:05:43.140 he came here for a weekend and spent two days in our living room,

00:05:47.200 filming with us, and he and Rich had this conversation

00:05:49.900 on the underground history of American education,

00:05:53.760 that which we weren't taught in school.

00:05:55.920 So essentially creating media components of a high production value

00:06:00.000 and trying to mimic the audio-visual experience that people are used to,

00:06:05.040 that they've come accustomed to and really expect

00:06:07.820 to make our productions, though they're educational,

00:06:12.520 more entertaining and palatable.

00:06:15.080 And so it's sort of like infotainment, I guess.

00:06:18.620 I like that.

00:06:20.100 So what was your experience like with school as a child

00:06:23.300 and also as an adult if you went to university?

00:06:25.240 Well, school, let's see.

00:06:31.940 School was just, school was something that you just, you did.

00:06:36.800 I mean, before you're old enough to think for yourself

00:06:41.060 or make decisions on your own,

00:06:42.460 you're already being put into this system.

00:06:45.020 And in terms of going to university,

00:06:47.580 I went to university, but I really had no direction

00:06:52.260 and I didn't have any goals.

00:06:54.520 I just was going because it was the next step,

00:06:57.840 I thought, in my education.

00:06:59.460 And I thought that without an education,

00:07:02.920 certainly I couldn't, you know, survive and thrive in life.

00:07:06.700 And it's interesting because I actually left school

00:07:10.360 after my junior year and I did it,

00:07:15.520 I left because I really, I had lost my compass

00:07:19.980 and I didn't know why I was there.

00:07:21.640 And I started questioning, you know, what am I doing?

00:07:24.320 What do I really want to do with the rest of my life?

00:07:26.620 And then getting into technology

00:07:28.760 and ultimately working for Oracle and sales,

00:07:31.680 that just sort of happened

00:07:33.060 because the opportunity presented itself

00:07:36.200 and I didn't have the experience,

00:07:38.520 but I knew that I could do the job.

00:07:41.680 And it's interesting because we have this idea

00:07:44.720 of getting a diploma and being,

00:07:47.580 having the credentials to produce and to be creative

00:07:51.900 and to earn a living in this world.

00:07:54.160 And really, that's not the case at all.

00:07:57.140 I mean, what we need is a method to learn anything on our own

00:08:02.600 and to be self-reliant and to, you know,

00:08:09.360 what I guess the most interesting part of school for me

00:08:11.820 is that it actually killed my curiosity.

00:08:14.040 And I didn't realize that until we interviewed John Taylor-Gatto

00:08:17.120 and I really started reflecting on my own school experience.

00:08:20.080 And I thought, wow, at what point?

00:08:22.340 For the listeners, we were just cut out for a very long time.

00:08:25.840 So we're trying to pick up where we left off

00:08:28.040 when Lisa was talking about her experience in school.

00:08:32.180 So we'll go from there.

00:08:33.820 I think something about school killing my curiosity

00:08:35.720 and not realizing it until much later in life.

00:08:37.860 And a lot has happened since school.

00:08:39.540 I feel like I've learned so much more since school

00:08:44.140 and outside of school and on my own without an authority

00:08:47.360 because in school, it was learning what, you know,

00:08:51.580 the teachers or the other, you know, anyone else involved,

00:08:56.580 these authority figures are telling you what you should be doing.

00:08:59.340 They're putting you sort of in your place.

00:09:00.600 And I learned that through reading John's books

00:09:04.400 and then sitting with him for the weekend.

00:09:06.880 And it wasn't even until afterwards when Rich was editing

00:09:09.860 and I was listening to it over and over

00:09:12.000 that it really dawned on me, I am one of those people.

00:09:14.880 You know, learning is, life is a continuous classroom

00:09:20.460 and a continual refinement process.

00:09:23.560 And I'm learning every day.

00:09:25.720 And whether, you know, whether it's through reading a book

00:09:29.220 or watching a documentary

00:09:30.280 or it's just through engaging in life

00:09:32.480 and interacting with people.

00:09:34.180 And even people who are, you know,

00:09:37.760 they can cause chaos in your day

00:09:40.200 or, you know, get you off track.

00:09:45.380 You still have something to learn from them.

00:09:47.140 Your greatest adversaries can be your greatest teachers as well.

00:09:50.600 So, yeah.

00:09:52.420 Yeah, I would say school for me too,

00:09:54.440 just it really kills your creativity.

00:09:56.920 I mean, think of how kids are

00:09:57.860 and they have such an imagination

00:09:59.040 and then they go to school and they're told,

00:10:01.500 no, that's not possible.

00:10:02.740 It puts you in a box right away.

00:10:04.400 Limits your thinking.

00:10:06.140 Right, limits your thinking

00:10:07.460 and limits your understanding.

00:10:10.060 Limits the context that you have for the history,

00:10:14.000 you know, how we got here, how we came to be.

00:10:16.500 And I think in this day and age of technology,

00:10:19.400 the other side of that is that we are getting out of touch

00:10:23.540 with our basic needs as human beings,

00:10:26.880 not just the relationships

00:10:28.440 and the connections that we have with each other

00:10:30.160 and the way that our communication

00:10:31.620 has become less meaningful.

00:10:33.060 I watch, my brother and I,

00:10:36.120 there's a 20-year difference between us

00:10:37.680 and I watch he and his friends

00:10:39.760 with their iPhones and their iPods and their iPads

00:10:44.400 and all of this technology

00:10:45.500 and I wonder if they're missing out

00:10:50.760 on the kinds of relationships

00:10:52.800 and the things that we were doing when we were that age

00:10:54.980 because we just didn't have that.

00:10:57.140 Definitely.

00:10:58.620 Right.

00:10:58.940 Yeah, I mean, think of before even video games

00:11:02.800 or any of this technology,

00:11:03.940 boys and girls were outside playing more.

00:11:06.480 They were actually interacting

00:11:07.420 and having social skills

00:11:08.480 that were interpersonal one-on-one.

00:11:10.820 Now it's behind a computer screen.

00:11:12.960 Right.

00:11:13.320 And it's like, why are we unhealthy?

00:11:14.800 Well, maybe it's because we are out of touch

00:11:16.740 with what we need as human beings.

00:11:19.820 What does our body need for health,

00:11:21.480 to maintain health,

00:11:22.980 to revitalize?

00:11:25.220 And, you know, our food grows in the ground

00:11:27.560 and just getting back in touch

00:11:29.700 with these basic facts of life.

00:11:31.620 And, you know, a lot of people just think that,

00:11:34.580 well, food's in the grocery store

00:11:35.780 and it'll always be there.

00:11:37.100 And I'm going to take that for granted.

00:11:38.460 And I think we're taking a lot of things for granted.

00:11:41.360 And what happens is

00:11:44.660 when we get out of touch with what we need,

00:11:46.700 then we become unhealthy,

00:11:47.940 either mentally or physically.

00:11:49.920 That's right.

00:11:50.300 In modern school, let's face it,

00:11:51.580 it's not holistic.

00:11:52.960 It's not how the ancient alchemists were.

00:11:54.980 They incorporated a little bit of everything.

00:11:57.680 It's very fractured.

00:11:59.820 It's very scientific now as well.

00:12:02.720 Right.

00:12:03.020 And really, it's our nature to be curious,

00:12:07.440 to ask questions,

00:12:08.480 and to seek substantial answers,

00:12:10.840 and to use our imagination.

00:12:13.320 I was listening to Will Durant.

00:12:14.740 I don't know if you're familiar with Will Durant's work

00:12:17.920 on the history of civilization,

00:12:20.620 but there are these lectures that he gave.

00:12:24.300 And one of them the other day,

00:12:25.620 he was saying, you know,

00:12:26.280 man is the only creature that has the ability

00:12:28.220 to will what he imagines into existence.

00:12:31.040 I mean, the fact that we have the ability to imagine,

00:12:34.040 that we have these powerful minds,

00:12:35.780 and that we can use our five senses

00:12:37.340 to observe the world,

00:12:39.020 and to identify things

00:12:42.520 and to organize information

00:12:44.980 and to communicate,

00:12:46.800 to come to understand

00:12:47.780 and then communicate what we...

00:12:49.020 Well, folks, we were cut off again,

00:12:51.400 so we'll take it from here.

00:12:52.900 So school isn't teaching us how to survive.

00:12:56.160 It's not instilling survival skills.

00:12:58.080 It's not teaching us to be self-reliant

00:12:59.820 or an individual to think on our own.

00:13:02.820 And in addition, you know,

00:13:05.980 on top of that, I should say,

00:13:07.640 the media and the technology

00:13:10.600 that we have in our culture

00:13:11.440 is really turning us

00:13:13.560 into stimulus response beings.

00:13:16.780 And we have to put thinking back into that process

00:13:20.160 and consider an idea or information

00:13:22.400 without accepting it.

00:13:24.760 Learning versus accepting knowledge.

00:13:27.480 It's just the difference

00:13:28.400 between asking the questions on your own

00:13:30.940 and finding answers on your own

00:13:32.500 versus being programmed via authorities

00:13:34.480 with the answers already.

00:13:36.620 Here are the textbooks.

00:13:37.560 These are the answers.

00:13:38.980 That's right.

00:13:40.100 Have you noticed, too,

00:13:41.080 how modern school nowadays,

00:13:42.720 more than ever,

00:13:43.460 is so involved in every aspect

00:13:45.520 of a child's life?

00:13:46.840 I mean, I've been hearing about people

00:13:47.900 that grew up with the fluoride rinses

00:13:49.640 during school hours.

00:13:50.560 Did you have that?

00:13:52.080 We did not have that,

00:13:53.380 but it's interesting.

00:13:54.720 I got an email the other day from,

00:13:56.840 I don't know if you've ever heard

00:13:57.860 of Two Angry Moms. 1.00

00:13:59.560 Mm-mm, no.

00:14:00.280 Okay.

00:14:00.820 Well, it's two mothers here in Connecticut.

00:14:03.300 They're in Fairfield, Connecticut,

00:14:04.740 and they might be wonderful

00:14:06.340 for you to interview at some point.

00:14:08.360 I don't know a lot about their story

00:14:10.200 other than they are advocates

00:14:12.580 for healthy whole foods

00:14:14.680 in school cafeterias.

00:14:16.300 And the reason is

00:14:17.860 because their own children

00:14:18.920 who were in school

00:14:19.960 various ages

00:14:21.060 and in different grades,

00:14:23.500 they realized that the food

00:14:25.440 that they had there,

00:14:26.720 it not only wasn't not healthy,

00:14:28.540 but it wasn't really food,

00:14:29.820 what they would consider food,

00:14:31.420 and something that was nutritious

00:14:32.700 for their children.

00:14:33.940 And so they went on this campaign

00:14:35.280 and they got things changed locally,

00:14:36.940 and now they're trying to provide

00:14:37.920 other people with the tools

00:14:39.120 and resources that they need

00:14:41.020 to do likewise

00:14:41.620 in their own local communities.

00:14:42.860 Oh, that's great.

00:14:43.920 I know people are also doing that

00:14:44.980 to get flora out of their communities,

00:14:47.140 which is pretty awesome.

00:14:48.520 And if your child is spending

00:14:50.480 that much time,

00:14:51.860 which I don't agree with

00:14:52.720 in the first place,

00:14:53.380 but if they're spending

00:14:53.900 that much time there,

00:14:55.580 shouldn't they be getting healthy food?

00:14:58.400 Shouldn't it be a healthy environment?

00:15:00.500 I mean, there's a lot

00:15:01.080 we could talk about on this subject,

00:15:03.260 but overall,

00:15:04.460 it's just not creating

00:15:07.320 an environment for creativity

00:15:09.640 and constructive and productive

00:15:11.660 learning and work.

00:15:15.380 Yeah, that's right.

00:15:16.160 And John Taylor Gatto

00:15:17.060 explains that as well,

00:15:17.900 the psychological problems

00:15:19.080 that result from a child

00:15:20.500 going to school,

00:15:21.240 from dealing with the bullies

00:15:22.420 to the ugly environment,

00:15:24.140 right down to

00:15:24.880 what the teachers are teaching.

00:15:26.360 I mean, it's really creating

00:15:27.280 a schism in the children's minds.

00:15:28.660 It's not teaching them

00:15:29.500 how to think,

00:15:30.560 but what to think.

00:15:32.540 Right, and it's not teaching them

00:15:34.500 about the more important things

00:15:36.360 in life,

00:15:39.100 you know,

00:15:40.200 just enjoying life

00:15:41.660 and empathy

00:15:43.620 towards other people,

00:15:44.900 compassion, love,

00:15:46.140 the things that make us human.

00:15:47.780 We're all involved

00:15:48.780 in the same struggle,

00:15:49.840 and yet,

00:15:50.540 this world has us

00:15:51.560 just divided and conquered

00:15:52.860 at so many levels,

00:15:54.660 and we focus so much

00:15:55.900 on our differences

00:15:56.560 instead of

00:15:57.760 the things that we have in common,

00:15:59.600 the common ground that we have,

00:16:00.700 getting back to

00:16:01.440 the basic things that you need

00:16:02.640 as a human being,

00:16:04.060 aside from, you know,

00:16:05.120 healthy food and clean air

00:16:06.680 and water, 0.84

00:16:08.060 we also need each other,

00:16:09.460 and we need those connections,

00:16:10.800 those meaningful connections

00:16:11.740 with each other.

00:16:12.880 From your research,

00:16:14.440 at what point did school

00:16:15.480 start becoming

00:16:16.080 such a mind control operation,

00:16:17.460 or do you think

00:16:17.900 it was always that way

00:16:18.780 from the start?

00:16:19.760 I,

00:16:20.280 oh,

00:16:20.800 well,

00:16:21.300 I guess it depends on

00:16:22.500 the difference between

00:16:23.120 schooling and educating,

00:16:25.200 and I think that,

00:16:26.600 you know,

00:16:28.300 it's interesting.

00:16:29.220 We learned,

00:16:29.900 we learned

00:16:31.340 the Trivium method

00:16:32.780 from Jan Ervin,

00:16:35.640 who you've had

00:16:36.380 on your podcast before,

00:16:37.840 and really,

00:16:38.540 just to demystify it.

00:16:39.780 It's just a method

00:16:40.480 to learn anything.

00:16:42.080 It's,

00:16:42.800 you know,

00:16:43.120 a way that you take

00:16:43.820 in information

00:16:44.400 and process that information,

00:16:45.840 and it's just a process

00:16:47.360 for consistent

00:16:48.280 and clear thinking.

00:16:49.560 And what I came to realize

00:16:51.180 in learning about

00:16:52.400 the Trivium method

00:16:53.720 explicitly,

00:16:55.140 which is just observation,

00:16:56.520 identification,

00:16:57.380 organization,

00:16:58.140 and communication,

00:16:59.160 it's just,

00:17:00.020 you're observing the world

00:17:01.020 through your five senses.

00:17:02.400 You're identifying things,

00:17:03.640 you're defining terms,

00:17:04.860 you're organizing

00:17:05.900 that knowledge

00:17:07.420 and comparing

00:17:08.680 and contrasting

00:17:09.640 and through that process

00:17:11.380 eliminating contradictions,

00:17:12.880 and you're dismissing

00:17:13.720 the arbitrary

00:17:14.240 so that you can focus

00:17:15.500 in on the substantial

00:17:17.160 so that you can make,

00:17:18.640 you know,

00:17:19.080 the connections

00:17:19.640 and attain

00:17:20.560 an understanding

00:17:21.280 of what you're consuming

00:17:23.320 in context.

00:17:24.120 That's learning.

00:17:25.560 And then what do we do?

00:17:26.540 We use that,

00:17:27.720 what we come to know

00:17:28.560 and understand

00:17:29.260 either in decision-making,

00:17:31.600 you know,

00:17:31.840 or in our actions every day.

00:17:33.920 And I came to realize

00:17:36.020 that I was already

00:17:37.140 using this implicitly,

00:17:38.860 just not consistently

00:17:40.000 and thoroughly

00:17:40.980 and consciously

00:17:41.900 in my everyday life.

00:17:43.960 You know,

00:17:44.320 I mean,

00:17:44.660 anything that you need

00:17:45.700 to learn from,

00:17:46.940 you know,

00:17:47.240 I mean,

00:17:48.200 if it's a health topic,

00:17:49.840 I had a friend

00:17:50.600 the other day

00:17:51.000 asking me about

00:17:51.760 what multivitamins to take.

00:17:53.560 And so I just started,

00:17:55.140 you know,

00:17:55.500 doing my grammar

00:17:57.060 on health

00:17:58.100 and it's like

00:17:59.160 anything that comes up

00:18:00.300 every day in your life,

00:18:01.580 you can usually,

00:18:02.740 you know,

00:18:03.620 use this method

00:18:04.420 because it just

00:18:05.120 is a reflection of

00:18:06.320 and complementary to

00:18:07.460 how we naturally learn.

00:18:09.640 So how do you deal

00:18:10.960 with ideas of conspiracy

00:18:12.280 within government

00:18:13.240 or media,

00:18:14.320 school,

00:18:14.820 et cetera,

00:18:15.140 et cetera?

00:18:15.440 What is your relationship

00:18:16.400 to it?

00:18:17.820 Conspiracy.

00:18:18.900 Well,

00:18:19.560 I mean,

00:18:19.940 conspiracy exists.

00:18:22.480 I don't know

00:18:23.420 if you mean,

00:18:24.780 like,

00:18:25.040 how do I deal

00:18:25.460 with conspiracy theory

00:18:26.600 or that's kind

00:18:28.420 of a broad question,

00:18:29.820 but it's interesting

00:18:31.600 because the whole idea

00:18:32.860 of conspiracy,

00:18:33.360 when you say that,

00:18:34.460 it's the first thing

00:18:35.440 that comes to my head

00:18:36.020 is conspiracy theory

00:18:37.060 because we all associate

00:18:38.760 those two words

00:18:39.640 now together.

00:18:40.700 That's just this meme

00:18:41.860 that's been created

00:18:42.860 through our mass media

00:18:45.260 and our culture.

00:18:47.340 And when,

00:18:48.220 10 years ago,

00:18:50.060 when we first started

00:18:50.980 doing our own research

00:18:52.100 and Rich started acquiring

00:18:53.680 these history books

00:18:55.220 like Tragedy and Hope

00:18:56.840 by Carol Quigley

00:18:58.720 and Fire in the Minds of Men

00:19:02.380 by James H. Billington

00:19:03.600 and all of these books,

00:19:06.380 you know,

00:19:06.540 he started talking

00:19:07.140 about these things

00:19:07.680 and I thought,

00:19:08.140 well,

00:19:08.220 that sounds like

00:19:08.740 conspiracy theory.

00:19:09.960 But then,

00:19:11.040 you know,

00:19:11.400 it's not just reading

00:19:13.000 the historian's perspective.

00:19:14.240 Then you can actually go

00:19:15.660 and these characters

00:19:16.840 that they're writing about,

00:19:18.000 you can read

00:19:18.540 their own work,

00:19:20.540 their autobiographies,

00:19:22.040 their memoirs,

00:19:23.280 their letters

00:19:23.840 to each other,

00:19:25.220 biographies that have been

00:19:26.500 written by other historians.

00:19:27.660 And so there's this trail

00:19:28.880 of evidence and artifacts

00:19:30.100 and what you realize is

00:19:32.380 that yes,

00:19:33.580 conspiracies exist

00:19:34.900 and predators exist

00:19:36.720 and plunderers exist

00:19:37.800 and that's just

00:19:38.360 a fact of life.

00:19:39.780 And it's up to us

00:19:41.020 to resist that,

00:19:42.680 to be aware of it

00:19:43.800 and to just,

00:19:46.300 to be conscious of it

00:19:47.700 isn't enough.

00:19:48.460 You also have to resist it,

00:19:49.640 but it's challenging

00:19:50.480 to resist it

00:19:51.380 unless the broader population

00:19:53.560 is also understanding

00:19:55.600 and aware of it

00:19:56.360 and conscious

00:19:56.860 and resisting likewise.

00:19:59.320 And that's where I,

00:20:00.440 you know,

00:20:00.620 that's why we do

00:20:02.240 what we do every day

00:20:02.960 is to try and,

00:20:04.520 you know,

00:20:06.260 get this information

00:20:07.080 out to the broader population

00:20:08.520 and create,

00:20:09.480 you know,

00:20:09.740 little media components

00:20:10.720 that are palatable enough

00:20:13.300 for them to pass around

00:20:14.960 and share.

00:20:15.660 And so,

00:20:16.460 you know,

00:20:16.740 we'll see,

00:20:17.280 one day at a time.

00:20:18.040 It's funny

00:20:18.700 as we're talking

00:20:19.060 about conspiracy,

00:20:19.880 there is a black chopper folks 0.96

00:20:21.640 flying around our house

00:20:22.860 and it has been for a while.

00:20:24.380 I just think that's funny

00:20:25.480 because some people

00:20:26.060 always freak out.

00:20:28.000 Well,

00:20:28.520 and it's,

00:20:28.960 you know,

00:20:29.600 conspiracy,

00:20:30.500 you know,

00:20:31.100 we don't even have

00:20:31.780 to talk about conspiracy.

00:20:32.940 We can talk about

00:20:33.620 the things that are affecting us

00:20:35.300 for real every day

00:20:36.640 in our life

00:20:37.060 that we know about

00:20:37.980 that are open.

00:20:39.680 And,

00:20:40.060 you know,

00:20:40.200 they may be,

00:20:40.940 they may be started off

00:20:41.880 conspiratorial,

00:20:42.640 but they're just open.

00:20:43.460 Like for instance,

00:20:44.240 you know,

00:20:44.420 genetically modified foods

00:20:46.260 and fluoride in our water.

00:20:48.920 And it's,

00:20:50.400 it's interesting

00:20:51.680 that you just

00:20:52.480 will never see

00:20:53.680 an honest,

00:20:55.300 open,

00:20:55.840 intellectual,

00:20:56.600 respectful debate

00:20:58.100 about these things

00:20:59.480 in the public discourse

00:21:01.100 or in the media at all.

00:21:03.380 And so really,

00:21:04.660 I know you and Henrik

00:21:05.700 through your work

00:21:06.580 on a variety

00:21:08.820 of subjects,

00:21:09.700 it's like we're just trying

00:21:10.700 to present the information

00:21:12.160 to people

00:21:12.660 so that they can have

00:21:13.740 more than one perspective.

00:21:15.400 And,

00:21:16.680 exactly.

00:21:17.700 And make a decision

00:21:18.540 on their own.

00:21:19.840 And at the same time

00:21:20.480 to not let fear

00:21:21.360 run your world.

00:21:22.380 Some people freak out

00:21:23.280 thinking the New World Order

00:21:24.220 is closing in on them

00:21:25.160 right now,

00:21:25.760 right here,

00:21:26.380 you know.

00:21:26.900 But you also can't live like that.

00:21:28.360 You need to do

00:21:29.120 what you need to do

00:21:29.800 and hold your intention

00:21:30.780 and be strong

00:21:31.420 and push forward as well.

00:21:32.920 Well,

00:21:33.140 none of the other side

00:21:34.200 of that.

00:21:34.600 Sometimes I go outside

00:21:35.600 and it's a beautiful spring day

00:21:36.940 and the flowers are blooming

00:21:38.040 and,

00:21:38.960 you know,

00:21:39.120 you spend some time

00:21:40.040 with your family

00:21:40.640 and your friends

00:21:41.360 and it's just,

00:21:41.940 you're out there

00:21:42.480 in this,

00:21:43.720 you know,

00:21:44.000 in reality

00:21:45.080 with everyone

00:21:45.620 and they don't have

00:21:47.200 the same understanding

00:21:47.820 that you do

00:21:48.700 and it's easy to

00:21:49.980 not forget

00:21:51.220 but it's easy

00:21:51.920 to want to push

00:21:52.740 all this other information

00:21:53.660 that you're learning

00:21:54.160 aside

00:21:54.600 and not even share it

00:21:55.660 because,

00:21:56.980 you know,

00:21:58.460 it's like

00:21:58.800 this is,

00:21:59.580 this just,

00:22:00.440 hopefully,

00:22:01.160 this normalcy

00:22:01.880 will just continue

00:22:02.640 and,

00:22:03.220 you know.

00:22:04.280 Well,

00:22:04.720 let's talk about,

00:22:05.400 you guys have been working

00:22:06.120 on a new documentary

00:22:07.060 called State of Mind,

00:22:08.580 The Psychology of Control.

00:22:10.120 So what is it about?

00:22:12.420 Well,

00:22:12.980 it's on the topic

00:22:14.880 of are we controlled?

00:22:16.200 It asks the question,

00:22:17.020 are we controlled?

00:22:17.940 And if we are,

00:22:19.040 by whom?

00:22:19.640 By what agenda?

00:22:21.480 And what are the implications?

00:22:23.520 What are the consequences

00:22:24.320 of this?

00:22:26.320 And it's actually,

00:22:27.900 it's a co-production.

00:22:30.080 We are,

00:22:31.460 it's produced

00:22:32.080 by Freemind Films

00:22:33.280 and if you're not familiar

00:22:34.400 with Freemind Films,

00:22:35.520 that's the same crew

00:22:37.180 that produced

00:22:37.760 A Noble Lie,

00:22:39.000 Oklahoma City,

00:22:39.840 1995,

00:22:40.820 which the anniversary

00:22:41.500 is actually coming right up.

00:22:44.400 And,

00:22:45.080 it's James Lane

00:22:47.120 and Austin Green

00:22:48.040 and Chris Emery

00:22:49.200 and that crew

00:22:50.280 and we got involved.

00:22:52.120 Rich was actually interviewed

00:22:53.140 for the film

00:22:54.040 in August,

00:22:55.740 this past August.

00:22:57.220 And then we,

00:22:58.960 we were invited

00:23:00.160 to participate

00:23:01.200 in the writing

00:23:03.360 of the narration

00:23:04.020 and Rich

00:23:05.660 and Kevin Cole

00:23:06.840 who is a member

00:23:09.620 of our research community

00:23:11.060 and he was also featured

00:23:13.000 in a recent episode

00:23:14.580 of our history series

00:23:16.120 where he,

00:23:17.420 he's been doing research

00:23:19.180 for the last year,

00:23:20.020 not to get off on a tangent,

00:23:21.140 but he's been doing research

00:23:22.480 for the last year

00:23:23.220 on the classical trivium

00:23:24.320 and how the classical trivium

00:23:26.940 was used more

00:23:27.800 as a means

00:23:29.340 for controlling

00:23:30.280 people's beliefs

00:23:31.700 and what they learned

00:23:32.760 than as a method

00:23:34.740 for learning anything

00:23:36.520 on your own

00:23:37.240 and creating self-reliant

00:23:38.780 individuals.

00:23:40.720 And,

00:23:40.980 so he and Rich

00:23:42.160 wrote the narration

00:23:42.900 and then it,

00:23:44.820 it happened sort of

00:23:45.820 at the,

00:23:46.320 at the last minute,

00:23:47.240 it was a last minute

00:23:47.900 decision for me

00:23:49.120 to actually record

00:23:49.880 the narration.

00:23:51.120 So,

00:23:51.740 I participated

00:23:52.320 in the film also

00:23:53.720 to that extent.

00:23:55.180 I'm,

00:23:55.580 I was saying I'm more

00:23:56.200 behind the scenes

00:23:57.060 and really,

00:23:58.120 Rich is the vision

00:23:58.900 and the creative force

00:24:00.380 behind Tragedy and Hope

00:24:01.780 and I facilitate

00:24:02.680 that process

00:24:04.100 as best I can.

00:24:06.920 So,

00:24:08.280 in terms of,

00:24:09.280 you know,

00:24:10.080 being behind the scenes

00:24:10.940 if,

00:24:11.320 if he needs

00:24:11.880 an introduction

00:24:12.480 recorded to a podcast

00:24:13.620 or something like that,

00:24:14.760 I've done this,

00:24:15.940 you know,

00:24:16.200 for his films,

00:24:16.900 et cetera,

00:24:17.400 but narration,

00:24:19.100 narrating a 90 minute film

00:24:20.720 and it was about

00:24:21.640 50 minutes

00:24:23.220 of narration

00:24:23.960 that I had to record

00:24:25.040 took an enormous amount

00:24:27.000 of concentration

00:24:28.320 and,

00:24:29.560 Yeah,

00:24:29.580 it's not,

00:24:29.920 it's not easy.

00:24:30.540 It's a different kind

00:24:31.620 of work.

00:24:32.060 You work a different

00:24:32.600 part of your brain

00:24:33.260 doing that.

00:24:34.580 Right.

00:24:35.140 And you realize,

00:24:36.460 you realize the things

00:24:38.260 that you do,

00:24:39.020 for instance,

00:24:40.180 the word and,

00:24:41.740 if I'm saying

00:24:42.620 Tragedy and Hope

00:24:43.720 for narration,

00:24:46.120 it's Tragedy and Hope.

00:24:47.560 A lot of times

00:24:48.260 if I'm just talking,

00:24:49.040 I'll say Tragedy and Hope

00:24:50.240 and you say

00:24:50.980 almost what sounds like

00:24:52.280 N instead of and

00:24:53.880 and this is like

00:24:54.460 this little slang thing.

00:24:55.480 I mean,

00:24:55.600 we all have our little

00:24:56.400 idiosyncrasies,

00:24:57.200 I'm sure,

00:24:57.760 but these little things

00:24:59.060 that I started to notice

00:24:59.920 more and more

00:25:00.720 and I really had

00:25:02.300 to concentrate

00:25:02.900 and make sure

00:25:03.620 that I was,

00:25:04.200 you know,

00:25:04.940 enunciating

00:25:05.500 and being articulate.

00:25:07.580 So yeah,

00:25:07.960 it's a lot of concentration

00:25:08.840 and not only that,

00:25:10.000 but it's another thing

00:25:11.980 that I just said yes to

00:25:13.100 without really thinking

00:25:14.540 through all of the steps

00:25:16.340 and so Rich actually

00:25:18.140 had to set up

00:25:18.780 a mini narration

00:25:20.840 like Sound Booth Studio

00:25:22.380 here in our office

00:25:23.580 and he had borrowed

00:25:26.380 some padding

00:25:27.440 so we had this

00:25:28.940 very thick padding

00:25:30.000 set up around my chair

00:25:31.180 to soundproof

00:25:32.560 and we soundproofed

00:25:33.480 the rest of the room

00:25:34.240 and so it was

00:25:34.920 it was quite an undertaking

00:25:36.820 and you know,

00:25:38.800 I learned a lot

00:25:39.520 so it's again,

00:25:41.360 you know,

00:25:41.540 it's like the end result

00:25:42.680 is worth it

00:25:43.360 because the time

00:25:44.760 and the energy

00:25:45.280 and the persistence

00:25:45.980 pays off

00:25:46.760 not only in the end product

00:25:48.060 but also because

00:25:49.180 you know,

00:25:50.040 there are,

00:25:50.640 there's no reward

00:25:51.380 without the risk.

00:25:52.720 That's right

00:25:53.260 and there's a little pain

00:25:54.460 to get there.

00:25:56.500 Exactly.

00:25:57.280 And for some reason

00:25:58.020 it's difficult

00:25:58.560 for people to just relax

00:26:00.480 and let things flow.

00:26:01.800 I think that's,

00:26:02.420 that right there

00:26:03.040 is a big battle as well

00:26:04.540 and then having

00:26:05.420 to critique yourself

00:26:06.440 it can be a very painful process

00:26:08.480 hearing yourself back,

00:26:10.040 watching yourself on film,

00:26:11.820 you know,

00:26:12.160 it could be a rude awakening.

00:26:14.280 Right.

00:26:14.900 One of the things

00:26:15.580 that we do learn

00:26:16.360 through school

00:26:16.900 unfortunately

00:26:17.460 is

00:26:18.240 it's not self-confidence.

00:26:20.700 It's,

00:26:21.160 you know,

00:26:21.380 we become very insecure

00:26:23.020 and uncertain of ourselves

00:26:24.860 and it's not just

00:26:25.640 through school,

00:26:26.120 it's also through our culture

00:26:27.080 because there are these standards

00:26:28.560 that are put out there

00:26:29.720 that are just impossible

00:26:31.040 to live up to.

00:26:32.240 They're not realistic,

00:26:33.260 they're not reality

00:26:33.980 and so we get caught up in that

00:26:35.960 and it can,

00:26:36.520 it can be overwhelming

00:26:37.560 and exhausting

00:26:38.280 to try and live up

00:26:40.200 to those standards.

00:26:41.020 So,

00:26:41.840 you know,

00:26:43.080 the most important thing

00:26:44.080 that we could be learning

00:26:45.200 is to be ourselves.

00:26:47.100 Yeah,

00:26:47.280 it's about deprogramming

00:26:48.340 and just 0.99

00:26:48.720 being a fool sometimes, 1.00

00:26:50.820 letting yourself 1.00

00:26:51.480 be an idiot 1.00

00:26:52.100 and make mistakes 1.00

00:26:53.000 and as you say,

00:26:54.460 you know,

00:26:54.700 if you're persistent,

00:26:56.140 then you'll get there.

00:26:57.380 Right.

00:26:58.680 So,

00:26:59.080 getting back to the subject

00:27:00.000 of control,

00:27:01.500 if we're heading down

00:27:02.580 this particular route

00:27:03.460 where we're controlled

00:27:04.380 basically from cradle

00:27:05.520 to grave, 0.56

00:27:06.380 what do you think

00:27:07.000 the long-term implications

00:27:08.300 of this kind of control

00:27:09.480 might be within society?

00:27:11.220 How might it be seen?

00:27:13.020 Well,

00:27:13.260 I think the implications

00:27:14.140 I think what we can expect

00:27:16.900 is more of what

00:27:18.100 we've been getting.

00:27:19.800 Tighter control,

00:27:21.440 more intrusion

00:27:24.960 into our lives,

00:27:25.980 less privacy,

00:27:27.160 less personal choice,

00:27:28.800 less freedom,

00:27:29.580 less liberty.

00:27:30.660 But,

00:27:31.120 I think that

00:27:32.120 a lot of people

00:27:32.920 especially through schooling

00:27:34.360 and our culture

00:27:35.080 and mass media

00:27:36.020 are being,

00:27:38.040 that the liberty

00:27:38.800 and self-reliance

00:27:39.540 is being bred out of us,

00:27:40.780 yes,

00:27:41.200 but it's,

00:27:42.800 it's also,

00:27:45.320 there are no role models

00:27:46.600 out there.

00:27:47.420 There are very few

00:27:48.200 for people to emulate.

00:27:50.560 And so,

00:27:51.380 I don't even think

00:27:52.700 people will really realize.

00:27:54.760 People,

00:27:55.220 for example,

00:27:55.720 born into this technology today,

00:27:57.760 they don't understand

00:27:58.720 what privacy is

00:27:59.920 because there is

00:28:01.900 no privacy for them.

00:28:04.280 And so,

00:28:04.860 will they even know

00:28:05.860 what they're losing?

00:28:08.340 Yeah.

00:28:08.960 You know?

00:28:09.200 And so,

00:28:10.940 the implications are

00:28:12.260 if you're not

00:28:12.840 a first-hand thinker

00:28:13.800 and you're not writing

00:28:14.480 your own script in life,

00:28:15.580 then someone else

00:28:16.140 is writing it for you.

00:28:17.480 And do those people

00:28:18.580 have your best interests in mind?

00:28:19.980 How could anyone else

00:28:20.940 other than you

00:28:21.640 have,

00:28:22.580 you know,

00:28:22.880 know what's best for you?

00:28:24.880 You know,

00:28:25.120 whether that's making decisions

00:28:26.320 on your food

00:28:27.560 and right now

00:28:28.940 with what's going on

00:28:30.020 with GMOs,

00:28:30.620 we talked a little bit

00:28:31.840 about that

00:28:32.420 a bit ago.

00:28:33.700 I mean,

00:28:34.260 people are losing

00:28:35.020 their choice,

00:28:35.940 their freedom of choice

00:28:36.860 with what they eat.

00:28:38.480 And what they consume

00:28:40.060 and their health.

00:28:42.140 So,

00:28:42.860 I think that there's

00:28:43.640 a lot of implications

00:28:44.660 to letting other people

00:28:46.120 do our thinking

00:28:46.920 for us

00:28:47.920 and to letting authorities

00:28:50.580 do our thinking

00:28:51.640 for us

00:28:52.780 because

00:28:53.680 it's not that complicated.

00:28:56.120 If we all just,

00:28:57.040 you know,

00:28:57.540 start doing a little bit

00:28:58.640 of work on our own

00:28:59.920 and just spending

00:29:00.420 some of our time

00:29:01.400 a little bit differently,

00:29:02.460 maybe a little bit

00:29:03.580 less television,

00:29:04.480 maybe a little bit

00:29:05.140 less movies

00:29:05.820 or,

00:29:06.060 you know,

00:29:06.960 fantasy football

00:29:08.000 or what have you.

00:29:09.800 But we can,

00:29:11.260 you know,

00:29:11.520 we can do the work

00:29:12.200 necessary to make

00:29:13.080 our own decisions

00:29:13.880 on these things

00:29:14.540 and to understand

00:29:15.180 these things

00:29:15.640 so that we,

00:29:16.560 you know,

00:29:16.860 we're not,

00:29:17.420 we're not consuming

00:29:19.220 something like

00:29:19.820 genetically modified foods

00:29:21.120 and then 20 and 30 years

00:29:22.940 from now

00:29:23.460 creating a population

00:29:24.960 of infinitely

00:29:26.920 more,

00:29:28.360 I guess,

00:29:30.060 consistently ill people.

00:29:32.540 I mean.

00:29:33.300 Oh yeah,

00:29:33.620 America's being poisoned

00:29:34.620 the worst.

00:29:35.560 You know,

00:29:35.680 I think it's because

00:29:36.200 we're one of the

00:29:36.840 younger countries

00:29:37.920 and we still have

00:29:38.680 a lot of fight

00:29:39.200 and fire in us

00:29:39.960 and they want to

00:29:40.520 take it out.

00:29:41.740 They want to take it away,

00:29:42.800 you know,

00:29:43.140 and that's why

00:29:43.500 I get annoyed

00:29:43.920 when people say,

00:29:44.620 oh, 1.00

00:29:44.720 America's full of idiots. 1.00

00:29:45.800 No, 1.00

00:29:46.040 the world is full of idiots. 1.00

00:29:47.700 We're just being exposed 1.00

00:29:49.120 and picked on

00:29:50.020 the hardest right now.

00:29:51.960 And there is a lot

00:29:52.880 of fight and fire

00:29:53.520 in people,

00:29:54.120 but I think,

00:29:54.600 unfortunately,

00:29:55.140 their energy

00:29:55.660 is being redirected

00:29:57.020 into activities

00:29:58.040 and habits

00:29:58.900 that don't really

00:29:59.740 benefit us

00:30:00.500 and are sort of

00:30:01.500 in contradiction

00:30:03.320 to our needs.

00:30:06.160 And if you want

00:30:06.940 to see what a society

00:30:07.840 that is tightly controlled,

00:30:09.960 that loves their servitude 0.97

00:30:11.160 and loves their government

00:30:12.260 looks like,

00:30:13.220 go to Sweden.

00:30:13.840 I know it sounds 0.97

00:30:14.900 really ridiculous, 0.61

00:30:16.580 but until you go up there, 0.92

00:30:17.660 until you live up there,

00:30:18.580 then you'll understand it.

00:30:21.200 I mean,

00:30:21.800 I just sort of feel

00:30:22.680 that people should have

00:30:23.760 the right to

00:30:24.820 do as they please

00:30:26.380 as long as they're not

00:30:27.340 violating anyone else's volition.

00:30:29.520 And if you want

00:30:30.380 to plant a garden

00:30:31.620 in your front yard

00:30:32.860 and grow your own food

00:30:34.100 or, you know,

00:30:36.220 any of the other things

00:30:37.340 that we're doing every day,

00:30:39.520 it's like,

00:30:39.900 why should the government

00:30:40.840 or any other authority

00:30:42.820 be involved

00:30:43.760 in our decisions

00:30:44.620 and how we're living

00:30:45.460 our life?

00:30:46.580 They shouldn't.

00:30:48.180 But yet,

00:30:48.600 people scream for it.

00:30:49.520 They want it.

00:30:50.640 Yet,

00:30:50.840 try building a house

00:30:51.640 without a permit,

00:30:52.600 driving without a license,

00:30:54.220 try buying a rifle,

00:30:55.240 try not paying taxes

00:30:56.260 for not wanting

00:30:57.140 to support a war.

00:30:58.020 Then you'll see

00:30:58.960 how controlled we are.

00:31:00.600 I mean,

00:31:00.820 there's a lot of people

00:31:01.440 that say,

00:31:01.860 nah,

00:31:02.160 we're not controlled,

00:31:02.980 we're free.

00:31:04.280 They don't see any of this.

00:31:05.980 Right,

00:31:06.180 and we just accept

00:31:06.940 those things

00:31:07.440 as facts of life

00:31:08.740 because you're born into it.

00:31:11.300 You're born into

00:31:12.160 these systems

00:31:13.820 and before

00:31:14.900 you're old enough

00:31:16.000 to really realize it

00:31:17.040 or think for yourself,

00:31:18.300 you're being taught

00:31:20.260 to not think for yourself,

00:31:21.860 to, you know,

00:31:23.160 to look up to authorities

00:31:24.540 or other people

00:31:25.240 who know better than you do,

00:31:26.520 to not trust

00:31:27.160 your own instincts

00:31:27.940 and your own five senses

00:31:28.980 and your own experience

00:31:30.040 in life

00:31:30.420 because these other people

00:31:31.300 have already done

00:31:31.880 the thinking for you,

00:31:33.300 you know,

00:31:33.580 and here it is

00:31:34.060 all in these books

00:31:34.700 and just read these books

00:31:35.660 and you'll be fine.

00:31:38.820 Yeah.

00:31:39.300 You're cocking the wheel.

00:31:40.700 I know this is

00:31:41.520 a really tough question,

00:31:42.560 but if we try

00:31:43.340 and trace back

00:31:44.200 how far does this

00:31:45.880 obsession to control

00:31:47.260 humanity go,

00:31:48.280 in your view,

00:31:49.520 how far back does it go?

00:31:50.460 Is it human

00:31:51.020 or is it non-human?

00:31:52.400 What is it?

00:31:53.900 Well,

00:31:54.520 we're very complex

00:31:55.760 creatures.

00:31:57.940 I mean,

00:31:58.160 we're,

00:31:58.800 human beings

00:31:59.280 are complicated.

00:32:00.820 We,

00:32:01.280 I think probably

00:32:03.900 for as long

00:32:05.140 as there is

00:32:05.860 recorded history,

00:32:06.640 you'll find

00:32:07.360 human beings

00:32:08.380 wanting to control

00:32:09.300 other human beings

00:32:10.360 and there are people

00:32:11.040 who create

00:32:12.300 and produce

00:32:13.080 and then there are

00:32:13.800 other people

00:32:14.300 who,

00:32:15.240 you know,

00:32:15.460 for whatever reason,

00:32:16.920 they're not creative

00:32:18.140 and they're not productive

00:32:19.220 and they plunder

00:32:20.260 and they will want

00:32:21.460 to plunder

00:32:21.920 your production

00:32:22.760 and,

00:32:24.080 you know,

00:32:24.920 there are also people

00:32:26.080 who have this corrupted

00:32:27.160 ideology,

00:32:28.320 philosophy

00:32:28.720 that they are

00:32:30.820 born

00:32:31.800 somehow better

00:32:33.580 than other human beings.

00:32:35.440 There's no proof.

00:32:36.440 There's no evidence

00:32:37.120 of this.

00:32:38.500 They've,

00:32:38.920 they've tried

00:32:39.640 to find

00:32:40.380 scientific

00:32:41.760 and,

00:32:42.200 and other evidence

00:32:43.360 for this,

00:32:43.860 but they've come up short

00:32:45.420 and so it's like

00:32:47.760 there's this,

00:32:48.160 this intellectual elite,

00:32:49.780 this,

00:32:50.200 this ruling class

00:32:51.280 that they believe

00:32:52.640 for whatever reason

00:32:54.100 that they,

00:32:55.120 uh,

00:32:55.920 were born to rule

00:32:57.040 and that you were born

00:32:57.920 to be a serf

00:32:58.920 or a slave

00:32:59.660 or,

00:33:00.280 you know,

00:33:00.440 just an obedient worker,

00:33:01.900 someone who is,

00:33:03.540 is part of,

00:33:04.440 of facilitating

00:33:05.960 their lifestyle,

00:33:07.960 their quality of life,

00:33:09.540 increasing their quality

00:33:10.560 of life

00:33:10.980 so that they don't have

00:33:12.020 to do any work.

00:33:13.340 Yeah.

00:33:14.020 I just wonder

00:33:14.840 where that drive comes from.

00:33:16.160 I know David Icke

00:33:16.720 has his theories,

00:33:17.400 other people have their ideas.

00:33:18.640 I mean,

00:33:19.340 it is almost something

00:33:20.580 alien.

00:33:22.040 Well,

00:33:22.300 it's,

00:33:22.520 it's alien to me

00:33:23.560 but,

00:33:24.000 I,

00:33:24.460 it's,

00:33:24.780 it seems to,

00:33:25.960 uh,

00:33:26.680 it seems to be something

00:33:27.860 that other people

00:33:28.600 either,

00:33:29.440 they take on

00:33:30.140 because they were,

00:33:30.840 they too were born

00:33:31.620 to parents

00:33:32.140 who had this

00:33:32.700 corrupted belief system

00:33:33.620 and passed it

00:33:34.200 on to them.

00:33:35.380 Um,

00:33:35.980 the chicken or the egg?

00:33:37.200 That's like one

00:33:37.860 of those questions.

00:33:39.720 If one is starting

00:33:40.420 to wake up

00:33:41.180 and they want

00:33:42.600 to reclaim

00:33:43.340 the sovereignty

00:33:43.920 of their own minds,

00:33:45.340 how would they begin

00:33:46.100 to untrain

00:33:46.820 or deprogram?

00:33:47.720 How did they begin

00:33:48.260 to liberate themselves

00:33:49.300 from the sludge

00:33:50.160 of basically

00:33:50.760 someone else's

00:33:51.500 view of the world?

00:33:54.060 Well,

00:33:54.520 again,

00:33:54.800 it's just a really

00:33:55.440 simple process

00:33:56.360 of,

00:33:56.880 I mean,

00:33:57.240 I think

00:33:57.620 once you

00:33:59.880 become conscious

00:34:01.240 and you start

00:34:02.640 thinking for yourself,

00:34:04.500 that,

00:34:04.840 like,

00:34:05.240 that's the hardest part.

00:34:07.020 Now,

00:34:07.400 the world

00:34:08.980 is,

00:34:10.060 you know,

00:34:10.420 just a classroom

00:34:11.320 and you have

00:34:13.580 your five senses

00:34:14.420 and you're,

00:34:16.220 you can observe

00:34:17.000 and you can identify

00:34:18.420 things and you can

00:34:19.600 begin to learn

00:34:20.440 and then share

00:34:21.340 that knowledge.

00:34:22.860 Um,

00:34:23.240 and there's a number

00:34:24.260 of ways to share

00:34:25.220 that knowledge.

00:34:25.880 I mean,

00:34:26.420 you and Henrik

00:34:27.380 and Rich and I,

00:34:28.280 we're creating media.

00:34:29.880 Other,

00:34:30.160 there's other people

00:34:31.300 creating different

00:34:32.000 forms of art,

00:34:32.960 but learning

00:34:34.200 to creatively,

00:34:35.640 uh,

00:34:36.280 communicate with

00:34:37.260 other people

00:34:37.660 in a meaningful way

00:34:38.780 so that we can,

00:34:40.620 you know,

00:34:40.960 come together

00:34:41.680 as individuals

00:34:43.060 and,

00:34:44.520 um,

00:34:45.040 in large numbers,

00:34:46.060 you know,

00:34:46.320 it's like people

00:34:47.660 talk about collectivism

00:34:48.740 and community.

00:34:49.520 You can have a community

00:34:50.740 without being,

00:34:51.860 you know,

00:34:52.140 in a collective.

00:34:53.100 I mean,

00:34:53.280 when individuals

00:34:54.080 come together

00:34:55.560 of their own volition

00:34:57.000 and decide to form groups

00:34:58.600 for their own safety

00:34:59.520 and security

00:35:00.240 and quality of life,

00:35:01.280 et cetera,

00:35:02.180 and to resist

00:35:02.980 these things

00:35:03.740 that are not,

00:35:05.180 they're not for

00:35:05.780 our benefit.

00:35:07.840 What do you think

00:35:08.540 has caused

00:35:09.080 this collectivist paradigm?

00:35:10.660 I mean,

00:35:10.840 I really see it right now

00:35:12.100 even in alternative media.

00:35:14.580 Henrik and I joke around

00:35:15.480 and call them

00:35:15.880 truth fascists

00:35:17.180 and metaphysical commies,

00:35:18.660 the groups

00:35:19.160 that just want to 0.92

00:35:19.680 lurk together,

00:35:20.360 think the same,

00:35:20.960 be the same,

00:35:21.500 and they get angry

00:35:22.180 when you're not.

00:35:22.880 You know,

00:35:23.000 they want to flog you, 0.73

00:35:24.180 flog the individual

00:35:24.960 who wants to be free,

00:35:26.080 one who doesn't care

00:35:26.760 about the collective,

00:35:27.400 and then there's

00:35:28.640 this stigma

00:35:29.140 that that person

00:35:29.780 is a selfish, 1.00

00:35:30.980 ignorant person 1.00

00:35:31.700 or a radical person. 1.00

00:35:32.900 Have you noticed that?

00:35:33.640 Well, yeah,

00:35:35.180 it's just that,

00:35:36.000 you know,

00:35:36.480 it starts with you

00:35:37.500 and you have to love yourself

00:35:38.660 and you have to be

00:35:39.940 self-reliant

00:35:40.720 and do your own thinking

00:35:41.560 and become,

00:35:42.700 you know,

00:35:43.380 an individual

00:35:44.000 before you can help

00:35:45.980 others to do likewise.

00:35:47.240 And,

00:35:47.820 you know,

00:35:48.780 there's nothing,

00:35:49.700 there's nothing wrong

00:35:50.640 with people forming groups.

00:35:52.200 It's just when you get

00:35:53.120 into this,

00:35:54.480 you know,

00:35:55.240 you get,

00:35:56.540 I think that our,

00:35:57.920 our culture

00:35:59.200 and we're brought up

00:36:01.300 to want to be liked

00:36:04.420 and to want to be accepted.

00:36:06.400 And that's,

00:36:07.740 I think,

00:36:07.980 why people get

00:36:08.560 into this group think.

00:36:10.600 But,

00:36:11.160 the first step,

00:36:13.840 I think,

00:36:14.880 is,

00:36:15.080 is in reclaiming

00:36:16.800 your sovereignty

00:36:17.980 is just recognizing

00:36:20.760 that you are

00:36:22.400 a unique individual

00:36:23.400 and you do have value

00:36:25.160 and your self-confidence

00:36:26.680 doesn't have to come

00:36:27.680 from an authority

00:36:28.360 and it doesn't have to come

00:36:29.420 from the group.

00:36:30.440 It can come

00:36:31.440 from having,

00:36:33.100 you know,

00:36:33.580 a method to deal with life

00:36:35.460 and to deal with the uncertainty

00:36:38.180 and the unknown

00:36:39.540 and all these things

00:36:40.480 that are coming at us

00:36:42.000 every day.

00:36:42.700 And there's,

00:36:43.020 there's a lot going on

00:36:43.980 out there.

00:36:44.540 And so,

00:36:45.120 you know,

00:36:45.340 it can be overwhelming

00:36:46.480 and it can be easier

00:36:47.740 to just go along

00:36:49.120 with the group.

00:36:51.000 I've been there myself

00:36:52.580 and it takes a lot

00:36:54.440 of courage

00:36:55.120 and character

00:36:56.400 and I think

00:36:57.940 reflection,

00:36:59.240 self-reflection

00:36:59.920 and reflection

00:37:00.940 on your beliefs

00:37:02.320 and your values

00:37:03.320 and et cetera.

00:37:04.460 So,

00:37:05.140 it's an individual process.

00:37:07.000 I think that people

00:37:08.200 come to it on their own.

00:37:10.040 Yeah,

00:37:10.540 that's true.

00:37:11.440 And I think it's really important

00:37:12.460 to remember,

00:37:13.820 bottom line,

00:37:14.500 to let others

00:37:15.620 spend their life

00:37:16.780 as they want to.

00:37:18.020 Just mind your own business.

00:37:20.640 They're on their own journey

00:37:21.700 and let them,

00:37:22.780 you know,

00:37:23.220 come to a realization

00:37:24.620 on their own.

00:37:26.020 You don't have to force

00:37:27.140 people along.

00:37:27.900 You can just sort of

00:37:28.460 plant seeds

00:37:29.180 and you have to be patient

00:37:30.760 with people

00:37:32.560 because we weren't,

00:37:33.940 you know,

00:37:34.160 I started learning

00:37:34.780 about these things

00:37:35.440 in my 30s.

00:37:36.360 I started learning about,

00:37:37.500 I say these things,

00:37:38.420 life and the world

00:37:39.440 around me

00:37:40.140 in my 30s

00:37:42.080 because I just,

00:37:44.020 I was just sort of

00:37:44.860 going along

00:37:45.620 and I guess

00:37:46.220 in groupthink.

00:37:47.720 Yeah,

00:37:47.960 I noticed too,

00:37:48.780 the thing is

00:37:49.300 philosophical discourse.

00:37:52.540 That is a big part

00:37:53.620 even in alternative media

00:37:55.000 that I feel

00:37:55.500 is kind of lacking.

00:37:57.040 Instead,

00:37:57.440 there's a lot of

00:37:58.000 attacking going on

00:37:59.320 instead of

00:38:00.340 just having

00:38:00.960 a healthy conversation

00:38:02.340 and it's okay

00:38:03.820 to disagree

00:38:04.500 on certain things.

00:38:06.120 Do you notice that?

00:38:07.640 Well,

00:38:08.040 yeah,

00:38:08.340 I do.

00:38:08.780 I do notice that

00:38:09.680 and I think

00:38:11.000 that it's,

00:38:13.740 we filmed

00:38:15.080 a couple of debates

00:38:16.000 recently

00:38:16.500 for our history episode,

00:38:19.100 our history series rather

00:38:20.360 and we filmed

00:38:22.440 a debate,

00:38:23.380 they were both

00:38:23.820 on government

00:38:25.540 and authority

00:38:26.300 and the first was,

00:38:29.500 well,

00:38:29.820 one of them

00:38:30.160 was with Stephan Molyneux

00:38:31.360 and a gentleman

00:38:32.540 from our community,

00:38:34.200 the research community,

00:38:35.320 Tom Wilkutz

00:38:36.040 and the question was,

00:38:37.720 is government immoral?

00:38:39.840 And it ended up

00:38:40.740 not being so much

00:38:41.580 of a debate

00:38:42.220 as I think

00:38:43.760 it was just

00:38:44.100 a respectful,

00:38:44.720 respectful discussion

00:38:45.400 and it furthered,

00:38:47.360 it furthered things

00:38:48.440 in my mind.

00:38:50.740 I learned some things

00:38:52.020 from it

00:38:52.480 and just because

00:38:53.920 they engaged

00:38:55.000 with each other,

00:38:55.880 not from either person

00:38:57.720 saying,

00:38:58.180 you know,

00:38:58.340 I have,

00:38:58.920 you know,

00:38:59.080 I'm right

00:38:59.520 and you're wrong

00:39:00.440 but it was being open

00:39:01.840 and listening to each other.

00:39:04.000 I think that

00:39:04.960 that kind of respect

00:39:06.300 and dignity

00:39:06.860 is lacking

00:39:07.560 from what

00:39:09.000 is called debate

00:39:10.340 in the mainstream

00:39:11.920 but it's never

00:39:12.740 really debate

00:39:13.440 and it's not

00:39:14.560 about winning

00:39:15.120 or losing.

00:39:16.200 I think it's

00:39:16.600 about learning

00:39:17.500 and enlarging

00:39:18.980 the discussion

00:39:19.800 because

00:39:22.300 unless we can

00:39:23.600 do that

00:39:24.220 where it's

00:39:24.840 going to become

00:39:25.740 I think

00:39:26.040 a little bit hopeless

00:39:26.780 unless we can

00:39:27.500 really begin

00:39:28.000 to learn

00:39:28.420 from each other.

00:39:29.160 It's good

00:39:30.520 to test

00:39:30.920 your own

00:39:31.320 belief system

00:39:32.140 and your own

00:39:32.880 values as well

00:39:33.780 see how they

00:39:34.420 hold up

00:39:35.820 in a debate

00:39:37.160 see how well

00:39:38.080 they can withstand

00:39:38.800 attacks,

00:39:39.780 you know?

00:39:40.720 Always.

00:39:41.420 John says that

00:39:42.320 in the ultimate

00:39:42.820 history lesson

00:39:43.840 John Taylor Agato

00:39:44.780 he's

00:39:45.160 you're always

00:39:45.920 questioning

00:39:46.440 you know

00:39:47.200 arguing with yourself

00:39:48.240 and you're

00:39:48.620 in your own mind

00:39:49.680 you have to

00:39:51.380 because

00:39:52.180 you know

00:39:52.620 beliefs are just

00:39:53.800 placeholders

00:39:54.560 for knowledge

00:39:55.840 and understanding

00:39:56.640 and wisdom

00:39:57.280 and there

00:39:59.180 then there are

00:40:00.220 a lot of beliefs

00:40:00.760 that I've had

00:40:01.340 that you know

00:40:02.300 did not stand up

00:40:03.440 under my own

00:40:04.800 scrutiny

00:40:05.160 so I welcome

00:40:06.840 when people

00:40:07.700 disagree with me

00:40:08.460 because I see it

00:40:09.100 as an opportunity

00:40:09.860 to learn.

00:40:11.540 Exactly

00:40:11.740 it's an opportunity

00:40:12.400 to grow

00:40:13.260 and to re-evaluate

00:40:14.540 yourself

00:40:15.000 and question

00:40:15.860 why do I even

00:40:16.660 think that

00:40:17.140 or why am I

00:40:17.840 attached to this

00:40:18.620 specific idea

00:40:19.500 or if somebody

00:40:20.580 comes at me

00:40:21.340 why am I

00:40:22.180 irritated by what

00:40:23.100 they're saying

00:40:23.680 and if I'm

00:40:25.280 wrong I want

00:40:25.860 to know

00:40:26.200 and I want

00:40:26.660 to improve

00:40:27.440 and evolve

00:40:28.080 So how about

00:40:29.380 ideas of

00:40:30.140 government

00:40:30.820 I don't know

00:40:31.720 what your stance

00:40:32.280 is but

00:40:32.720 what do you

00:40:33.580 think about

00:40:34.240 the current

00:40:34.780 system

00:40:35.140 and what do

00:40:35.680 you think

00:40:35.960 about the

00:40:36.840 need for

00:40:37.320 government

00:40:37.660 do we even

00:40:38.140 need a

00:40:38.460 government

00:40:38.740 at all

00:40:39.200 Well I think

00:40:40.920 the current

00:40:41.660 system was

00:40:42.740 set up

00:40:43.340 with the

00:40:45.760 interests of

00:40:47.020 a ruling

00:40:47.640 class in

00:40:48.580 mind

00:40:48.940 I mean the

00:40:49.500 people who

00:40:50.120 created it

00:40:50.660 certainly did

00:40:51.200 set it up

00:40:51.800 in with

00:40:52.900 their interests

00:40:53.420 in mind

00:40:53.900 and I

00:40:54.720 don't think

00:40:55.120 that it

00:40:55.600 is serving

00:40:56.200 our interests

00:40:57.160 when I

00:40:58.420 think of

00:40:58.680 politicians

00:40:59.240 they're

00:41:00.680 representing

00:41:01.860 us

00:41:02.480 they're supposed

00:41:02.940 to be

00:41:03.340 making decisions

00:41:04.200 on our

00:41:04.760 behalf

00:41:05.180 etc

00:41:05.500 and

00:41:06.100 they're not

00:41:07.520 representing

00:41:07.960 my needs

00:41:08.580 my needs

00:41:08.960 are not

00:41:09.380 being met

00:41:10.200 even here

00:41:11.600 locally

00:41:11.960 in Connecticut

00:41:13.100 on the

00:41:14.360 GMO topic

00:41:15.040 again

00:41:15.400 we have

00:41:17.380 been

00:41:17.740 there's been

00:41:18.320 a movement

00:41:18.700 here to

00:41:19.760 force

00:41:20.920 companies

00:41:21.460 to label

00:41:22.060 when there's

00:41:23.360 GMO

00:41:23.880 in the

00:41:24.200 food

00:41:24.520 GMO

00:41:25.280 ingredients

00:41:25.900 and

00:41:26.560 the

00:41:27.800 local

00:41:28.560 government

00:41:29.020 the local

00:41:29.420 state

00:41:29.640 and government

00:41:30.020 they're not

00:41:30.440 supporting it

00:41:31.120 at all

00:41:31.680 and they're

00:41:32.240 actually

00:41:32.580 supporting

00:41:33.140 the corporations

00:41:33.960 because they

00:41:34.680 don't want

00:41:35.020 the corporations

00:41:35.660 to have to

00:41:36.720 increase the

00:41:37.200 cost of

00:41:37.700 these products

00:41:38.240 they're saying

00:41:38.720 you know

00:41:39.000 it's going

00:41:39.320 to increase

00:41:39.700 their cost

00:41:40.300 of production

00:41:40.780 and then

00:41:41.200 the products

00:41:41.880 are going

00:41:42.140 to cost

00:41:43.020 more

00:41:43.320 and it's

00:41:43.680 all going

00:41:44.280 to be

00:41:44.440 just so bad

00:41:45.020 for you

00:41:45.320 but at the

00:41:45.740 same time

00:41:46.260 it's like

00:41:46.600 if you care

00:41:47.100 about us

00:41:47.680 then why

00:41:48.500 would you want

00:41:48.860 to put this

00:41:49.220 poison in

00:41:49.900 our food

00:41:50.240 without letting

00:41:50.800 us know

00:41:51.180 without giving

00:41:51.940 us the freedom

00:41:52.960 to choose

00:41:53.500 for ourselves

00:41:54.140 and so

00:41:55.200 most of the

00:41:56.000 time I think

00:41:56.800 that we see

00:41:58.540 when we really

00:41:59.300 examine not

00:42:00.240 what they're

00:42:00.620 saying but

00:42:01.340 their actions

00:42:02.000 what are they

00:42:02.620 doing

00:42:03.260 you know

00:42:04.540 when we

00:42:05.300 examine that

00:42:06.240 we come to

00:42:06.800 realize they

00:42:07.440 do not have

00:42:08.100 our best

00:42:08.500 interests in

00:42:09.040 mind

00:42:09.380 and in fact

00:42:10.340 how could

00:42:10.820 they because

00:42:11.300 they're bought

00:42:12.200 and paid

00:42:12.600 for before

00:42:13.120 they even

00:42:13.620 hold office

00:42:14.440 these lobbyists

00:42:17.020 really outnumber

00:42:18.360 us

00:42:18.800 in terms

00:42:19.240 of their

00:42:19.660 resources

00:42:20.380 and their

00:42:21.540 access to

00:42:22.280 these politicians

00:42:23.000 and the

00:42:23.380 average citizen

00:42:24.140 really just

00:42:24.880 doesn't stand

00:42:25.840 a chance

00:42:26.400 and so again

00:42:27.080 it's about

00:42:27.620 you know

00:42:28.960 you can't

00:42:29.500 really

00:42:29.760 I don't

00:42:30.620 think that

00:42:31.100 the system

00:42:31.620 is working

00:42:32.160 and I think

00:42:32.940 that it's

00:42:33.500 going to

00:42:33.780 take

00:42:34.180 many more

00:42:35.900 people

00:42:36.240 realizing

00:42:36.860 that

00:42:38.060 becoming

00:42:38.560 conscious

00:42:39.040 of it

00:42:39.600 and effectively

00:42:40.860 coming together

00:42:41.760 in groups

00:42:42.420 to resist

00:42:43.200 and to

00:42:44.640 resist

00:42:45.080 in a

00:42:45.400 creative

00:42:45.800 and constructive

00:42:46.580 and productive

00:42:47.300 way

00:42:47.800 because

00:42:48.600 you don't

00:42:49.040 have to

00:42:49.340 tear down

00:42:50.020 the system

00:42:50.740 when you

00:42:51.440 create something

00:42:52.140 that works

00:42:52.960 when

00:42:53.800 you know

00:42:54.740 when you

00:42:54.960 build a

00:42:55.340 bridge

00:42:55.580 you don't

00:42:55.800 have to

00:42:56.080 convince

00:42:56.440 people

00:42:56.860 to cross

00:42:57.720 over it

00:42:58.280 they're

00:42:58.640 going to

00:42:59.100 go ahead

00:42:59.360 and use

00:42:59.660 that bridge 0.57

00:43:00.120 because

00:43:00.360 it's

00:43:00.620 useful

00:43:01.040 and it's

00:43:02.520 in their

00:43:02.740 interest

00:43:03.300 right

00:43:04.640 yeah

00:43:05.300 does that

00:43:05.900 make sense

00:43:06.340 yeah

00:43:06.580 do you

00:43:07.720 think

00:43:07.880 if there

00:43:08.220 wasn't

00:43:08.580 a government

00:43:09.080 that it

00:43:09.560 would be

00:43:09.920 complete

00:43:10.520 anarchy

00:43:11.060 and just

00:43:11.500 craziness

00:43:12.100 in the

00:43:12.460 world

00:43:12.680 no I

00:43:14.520 don't

00:43:14.720 think so

00:43:15.160 I think

00:43:15.520 that people

00:43:15.920 would naturally

00:43:16.600 come together

00:43:17.700 for their

00:43:20.840 own survival

00:43:21.820 and thrival

00:43:22.460 for their

00:43:22.860 own security

00:43:23.620 for their

00:43:24.460 own quality

00:43:24.960 of life

00:43:25.300 for their

00:43:25.600 own needs

00:43:25.960 you can't

00:43:26.380 do everything

00:43:26.880 on your

00:43:27.280 own

00:43:27.640 you can

00:43:29.140 certainly

00:43:29.760 grow a

00:43:30.860 garden

00:43:31.120 and provide

00:43:31.820 food

00:43:32.160 etc

00:43:32.420 but there

00:43:32.800 are other

00:43:33.260 things

00:43:33.660 that improve

00:43:34.740 the quality

00:43:35.160 of our

00:43:35.440 life

00:43:35.660 that we

00:43:35.960 need

00:43:36.220 each other

00:43:36.600 for

00:43:36.940 and I

00:43:38.140 think that

00:43:38.440 we would

00:43:38.780 organize

00:43:39.180 and we

00:43:39.620 would build

00:43:40.000 roads

00:43:40.460 and build

00:43:41.200 shelter

00:43:41.620 and build

00:43:42.860 up things

00:43:43.240 that we

00:43:43.480 need

00:43:43.700 and teach

00:43:44.080 our

00:43:44.260 children

00:43:44.660 you know

00:43:45.820 pass on

00:43:46.680 the skill

00:43:47.400 of learning

00:43:48.020 how to learn

00:43:48.680 anything on

00:43:49.260 your own

00:43:49.680 and teaching

00:43:50.140 them how

00:43:50.720 to survive

00:43:51.400 and thrive

00:43:52.000 and I

00:43:53.800 think that

00:43:54.240 we would

00:43:54.500 naturally

00:43:54.900 do that

00:43:55.440 I don't

00:43:55.700 think we

00:43:56.000 need

00:43:56.180 something

00:43:56.440 called

00:43:56.820 government

00:43:57.160 we can

00:43:57.500 call that

00:43:57.840 whatever

00:43:58.100 we want

00:43:58.660 I don't

00:44:00.560 think it

00:44:00.740 would be

00:44:00.920 anarchy

00:44:01.280 I'm

00:44:02.000 definitely

00:44:02.340 with you

00:44:02.820 on that

00:44:03.200 there's a

00:44:04.120 lot of

00:44:04.320 people that

00:44:04.660 say the

00:44:04.960 opposite

00:44:05.260 but they

00:44:06.020 also don't

00:44:06.420 look at

00:44:06.680 the fact

00:44:06.960 that

00:44:07.220 government

00:44:08.160 they are

00:44:09.120 the

00:44:09.300 anarchists

00:44:09.900 they're

00:44:10.160 running

00:44:10.380 around

00:44:10.720 doing

00:44:11.080 whatever

00:44:11.300 they

00:44:11.460 want

00:44:11.640 except

00:44:11.880 they're

00:44:12.100 doing

00:44:12.320 it

00:44:12.520 threatening

00:44:12.980 you

00:44:13.400 to

00:44:13.580 put

00:44:13.740 you

00:44:13.900 in jail

00:44:14.340 give me

00:44:14.740 money

00:44:15.020 or you

00:44:15.300 go in

00:44:15.640 jail

00:44:15.900 and the

00:44:16.440 laws are

00:44:16.740 there to

00:44:17.040 protect

00:44:17.340 them

00:44:17.680 not to

00:44:18.040 protect

00:44:18.300 us

00:44:18.720 right

00:44:19.720 and if

00:44:20.440 we all

00:44:20.740 came

00:44:20.960 together

00:44:21.280 of our

00:44:21.640 own

00:44:21.800 volition

00:44:22.100 and created

00:44:22.600 something

00:44:23.140 or changed

00:44:24.140 the system

00:44:24.640 etc

00:44:24.980 that's a

00:44:25.760 little bit

00:44:26.020 different

00:44:26.260 I think

00:44:26.560 when people

00:44:26.940 think of

00:44:27.460 there being

00:44:27.940 no

00:44:28.120 government

00:44:28.500 and anarchy

00:44:29.020 they think

00:44:29.480 the system

00:44:30.100 has crashed

00:44:30.800 and everything

00:44:31.660 is in

00:44:32.100 chaos

00:44:32.560 yes

00:44:33.360 maybe

00:44:34.100 things

00:44:34.620 would be

00:44:35.000 a little

00:44:35.440 chaotic

00:44:36.400 but if

00:44:37.380 people

00:44:37.620 have

00:44:38.060 a

00:44:38.600 method

00:44:39.600 to

00:44:40.240 maintain

00:44:40.740 their

00:44:40.980 balance

00:44:41.480 if

00:44:42.060 they're

00:44:42.480 communicating

00:44:43.480 with each

00:44:43.920 other

00:44:44.100 if you

00:44:44.440 know

00:44:44.700 your

00:44:44.900 neighbors

00:44:45.260 if

00:44:45.720 you're

00:44:46.380 in touch

00:44:46.740 with the

00:44:47.000 people

00:44:47.260 around

00:44:47.640 you

00:44:47.840 in your

00:44:48.100 community

00:44:48.580 then

00:44:49.440 you're

00:44:49.680 less

00:44:49.960 likely

00:44:50.380 to

00:44:50.920 start

00:44:51.300 to

00:44:51.460 panic

00:44:51.820 and

00:44:52.740 you're

00:44:52.920 more

00:44:53.180 likely

00:44:53.500 to

00:44:53.860 come

00:44:54.120 together

00:44:54.580 and

00:44:55.180 get

00:44:56.220 through

00:44:56.700 and

00:44:57.480 persevere

00:44:57.980 through

00:44:58.280 that

00:44:58.480 situation

00:44:59.140 that's

00:44:59.900 right

00:45:00.220 that's

00:45:00.840 right

00:45:01.000 and

00:45:01.200 here's

00:45:01.740 the

00:45:01.840 other

00:45:01.980 thing

00:45:02.280 if

00:45:02.920 the

00:45:03.040 majority

00:45:03.360 of

00:45:03.560 the

00:45:03.700 world

00:45:03.960 wants

00:45:04.300 their

00:45:04.600 voluntary

00:45:05.220 servitude

00:45:05.880 that's

00:45:06.480 fine

00:45:06.680 they can

00:45:06.920 have

00:45:07.140 it

00:45:07.280 but

00:45:07.620 the

00:45:08.260 problem

00:45:08.500 is

00:45:08.660 everyone

00:45:09.060 else

00:45:09.380 is

00:45:09.540 being

00:45:09.800 dragged

00:45:10.100 into

00:45:10.380 that

00:45:10.580 right

00:45:10.780 now

00:45:11.040 right

00:45:11.760 which

00:45:12.420 that

00:45:12.840 is

00:45:13.060 communism

00:45:13.580 that's

00:45:13.960 their

00:45:14.200 community

00:45:14.620 that

00:45:15.840 I

00:45:16.080 don't

00:45:16.200 want

00:45:16.360 any

00:45:16.520 part

00:45:16.780 of

00:45:16.920 right

00:45:17.100 I

00:45:17.280 think

00:45:17.460 that

00:45:17.620 people

00:45:17.880 need

00:45:18.080 to

00:45:18.200 get

00:45:18.320 back

00:45:18.480 to

00:45:18.600 the

00:45:18.740 starting

00:45:19.040 point

00:45:19.500 of

00:45:19.960 the

00:45:20.400 golden

00:45:20.680 rule

00:45:21.120 do

00:45:22.080 unto

00:45:22.320 others

00:45:22.700 I

00:45:22.920 don't

00:45:23.780 adhere

00:45:24.180 by

00:45:24.460 that

00:45:24.840 because

00:45:25.540 of

00:45:27.180 any

00:45:27.600 religion

00:45:28.020 or

00:45:28.340 doctrine

00:45:28.680 or

00:45:28.840 philosophy

00:45:29.200 other than

00:45:29.640 my own

00:45:29.940 experience

00:45:30.420 in life

00:45:30.920 because

00:45:31.260 I

00:45:31.560 appreciate

00:45:32.000 it

00:45:32.400 when

00:45:33.100 people

00:45:33.480 give me

00:45:33.800 the

00:45:33.940 benefit

00:45:34.240 of

00:45:34.400 the

00:45:34.500 doubt

00:45:34.680 I'm

00:45:34.880 grateful

00:45:35.140 for

00:45:35.380 that

00:45:35.560 so

00:45:35.780 I

00:45:35.900 try

00:45:36.060 to

00:45:36.140 give

00:45:36.280 them

00:45:36.460 the

00:45:36.600 benefit

00:45:36.920 of

00:45:37.080 the

00:45:37.160 doubt

00:45:37.400 I'm

00:45:38.080 grateful

00:45:38.740 for

00:45:40.000 other

00:45:40.420 things

00:45:40.920 if

00:45:41.720 I'm

00:45:42.380 caught

00:45:43.440 in

00:45:43.940 traffic

00:45:44.360 and

00:45:44.720 I'm

00:45:44.880 not

00:45:45.060 paying

00:45:45.260 attention

00:45:45.640 or

00:45:45.860 whatever

00:45:46.400 and

00:45:46.660 maybe

00:45:46.940 I

00:45:47.100 cut

00:45:47.280 somebody 0.98

00:45:47.580 off

00:45:47.800 I'm

00:45:48.000 grateful

00:45:48.360 when

00:45:48.600 they're

00:45:48.740 patient

00:45:49.020 with

00:45:49.240 me

00:45:49.400 and

00:45:49.540 they

00:45:49.660 don't

00:45:50.200 flip

00:45:50.540 out

00:45:50.780 on

00:45:50.980 me

00:45:51.140 and

00:45:51.440 I

00:45:51.600 try

00:45:51.860 and

00:45:52.000 do

00:45:52.100 the

00:45:52.260 same

00:45:52.520 I

00:45:52.680 try

00:45:52.900 and

00:45:53.100 say

00:45:53.900 hey

00:45:54.220 sometimes

00:45:54.980 people

00:45:55.360 have

00:45:55.520 things

00:45:55.720 going

00:45:55.940 on

00:45:56.260 and

00:45:56.460 give

00:45:57.000 them

00:45:57.120 the

00:45:57.240 benefit

00:45:57.520 of

00:45:57.700 the

00:45:57.800 doubt

00:45:58.140 it's

00:45:59.000 just

00:45:59.660 part

00:46:01.520 of

00:46:02.720 being

00:46:02.940 human

00:46:03.440 right

00:46:04.440 if

00:46:04.800 everyone

00:46:05.420 was

00:46:05.780 more

00:46:06.460 kind

00:46:06.960 it

00:46:07.320 would

00:46:07.440 be

00:46:07.580 a

00:46:07.700 better

00:46:07.860 place

00:46:08.260 and

00:46:08.620 that's

00:46:08.820 also

00:46:09.020 my

00:46:09.240 gripe

00:46:09.580 just

00:46:10.180 to

00:46:10.360 pick

00:46:10.500 on

00:46:10.660 alternative

00:46:11.040 media

00:46:11.520 again

00:46:11.900 I

00:46:12.100 see

00:46:12.300 a lot

00:46:12.600 of

00:46:12.780 lack

00:46:13.200 of

00:46:13.480 kindness

00:46:13.840 going

00:46:14.180 on

00:46:14.420 and

00:46:14.560 for

00:46:14.740 people

00:46:15.400 that

00:46:15.600 say

00:46:15.820 that

00:46:15.980 they're

00:46:16.220 on

00:46:16.400 the

00:46:16.540 path

00:46:16.820 of

00:46:16.940 enlightenment

00:46:17.560 that

00:46:17.980 is

00:46:18.160 sure

00:46:18.320 not

00:46:18.620 good

00:46:19.060 behavior

00:46:19.560 absolutely

00:46:21.180 absolutely

00:46:22.160 and again

00:46:22.640 it just

00:46:22.880 gets back

00:46:23.260 to

00:46:23.420 just

00:46:23.640 keeping

00:46:24.000 in

00:46:24.240 mind

00:46:24.520 hey

00:46:24.880 you know

00:46:25.700 we're

00:46:25.920 all

00:46:26.200 here

00:46:26.540 in

00:46:26.980 this

00:46:27.160 struggle

00:46:27.480 together

00:46:28.140 for the

00:46:28.700 most

00:46:28.920 part

00:46:29.180 there's

00:46:29.480 only

00:46:29.660 a

00:46:29.820 one

00:46:30.020 percent

00:46:30.520 you know

00:46:31.080 that

00:46:31.400 maybe

00:46:31.840 that's

00:46:32.180 ruling

00:46:32.640 elite

00:46:33.580 and

00:46:33.860 everyone

00:46:34.200 else

00:46:34.860 is

00:46:35.120 just

00:46:35.420 you know

00:46:36.020 we're

00:46:36.140 just

00:46:36.260 regular

00:46:36.500 people

00:46:36.980 and

00:46:37.720 so

00:46:38.060 we

00:46:38.800 need

00:46:38.980 to

00:46:39.140 focus

00:46:39.640 more

00:46:40.240 on

00:46:40.520 what

00:46:40.640 we

00:46:40.760 have

00:46:40.940 in

00:46:41.080 common

00:46:41.420 and

00:46:41.720 coming

00:46:42.000 together

00:46:42.580 out

00:46:43.620 of

00:46:43.940 you know

00:46:45.420 in

00:46:45.880 survival

00:46:46.920 not like

00:46:47.420 survival

00:46:47.880 mode

00:46:48.160 we have

00:46:48.580 to

00:46:48.760 but

00:46:49.000 because

00:46:49.540 we're

00:46:49.740 human

00:46:49.960 beings

00:46:50.280 and

00:46:50.480 that's

00:46:51.820 you know

00:46:52.180 that's

00:46:52.480 how we

00:46:52.760 can

00:46:52.900 get

00:46:53.040 through

00:46:53.240 this

00:46:53.640 is

00:46:54.240 by

00:46:54.440 coming

00:46:54.740 together

00:46:55.200 as

00:46:56.060 a bunch

00:46:56.360 of

00:46:56.500 individuals

00:46:57.160 as

00:46:57.580 a bunch

00:46:57.900 of

00:46:58.060 individuals

00:46:58.480 coming

00:46:58.840 together

00:46:59.200 that's

00:46:59.600 right

00:46:59.840 right

00:47:00.560 so

00:47:01.760 in

00:47:02.140 your

00:47:02.320 view

00:47:02.500 are

00:47:02.660 we

00:47:02.840 born

00:47:03.220 with

00:47:03.560 natural

00:47:04.280 rights

00:47:05.040 are

00:47:06.340 there

00:47:06.500 god

00:47:06.820 given

00:47:07.100 or

00:47:07.480 higher

00:47:08.620 laws

00:47:09.140 in

00:47:09.320 place

00:47:09.680 well

00:47:11.560 I

00:47:11.740 think

00:47:11.960 that

00:47:12.200 we're

00:47:12.440 born

00:47:12.780 with

00:47:13.080 needs

00:47:13.700 and

00:47:14.300 in

00:47:14.520 order

00:47:14.760 to

00:47:15.220 meet

00:47:15.680 our

00:47:15.920 needs

00:47:16.340 there

00:47:16.680 are

00:47:16.820 certain

00:47:17.280 you know

00:47:18.560 things

00:47:18.800 that we

00:47:19.060 need

00:47:19.240 to

00:47:19.400 survive

00:47:19.780 and

00:47:20.260 you know

00:47:20.520 people

00:47:20.740 call

00:47:21.020 those

00:47:21.220 things

00:47:21.520 rights

00:47:21.980 you

00:47:22.160 have

00:47:22.300 the

00:47:22.440 right

00:47:22.820 to

00:47:23.860 life

00:47:24.380 we

00:47:25.200 have

00:47:25.320 the

00:47:25.480 right

00:47:25.760 to

00:47:26.120 our

00:47:26.440 lives

00:47:26.940 and

00:47:27.120 we

00:47:27.260 have

00:47:27.420 the

00:47:27.600 right

00:47:27.880 to

00:47:28.240 what

00:47:28.480 we

00:47:28.640 produce

00:47:29.240 with

00:47:29.820 our

00:47:30.180 life

00:47:30.960 and

00:47:31.100 our

00:47:31.240 work

00:47:31.620 and

00:47:32.640 I

00:47:32.980 think

00:47:33.200 that

00:47:33.600 you

00:47:35.060 know

00:47:35.180 that's

00:47:35.880 like

00:47:36.000 a

00:47:36.140 basic

00:47:36.600 starting

00:47:37.340 point

00:47:37.840 that

00:47:39.000 I

00:47:39.220 think

00:47:39.380 a lot

00:47:39.600 of

00:47:39.680 people

00:47:39.880 miss

00:47:40.160 out

00:47:40.400 on

00:47:40.820 yeah

00:47:42.440 I

00:47:42.580 think

00:47:42.820 I

00:47:43.000 think

00:47:43.260 if

00:47:43.560 man

00:47:44.260 made

00:47:44.500 law

00:47:44.840 was

00:47:45.160 gone

00:47:45.500 then

00:47:47.740 people

00:47:48.000 would

00:47:48.180 quickly

00:47:48.480 learn

00:47:48.900 what

00:47:49.180 God's

00:47:50.260 law

00:47:50.520 or

00:47:50.740 the

00:47:50.900 higher

00:47:51.220 law

00:47:51.540 is

00:47:51.880 for

00:47:52.040 instance

00:47:52.360 laws

00:47:52.980 of

00:47:53.160 karma

00:47:53.520 or

00:47:53.760 reciprocity

00:47:54.520 you

00:47:55.020 learn

00:47:55.360 those

00:47:55.620 things

00:47:55.940 instinctively

00:47:56.700 through

00:47:57.040 trial

00:47:57.460 and

00:47:57.640 error

00:47:57.960 right

00:47:58.960 and

00:47:59.200 right

00:47:59.560 now

00:47:59.720 by

00:47:59.900 having

00:48:00.140 other

00:48:00.500 laws

00:48:00.820 in

00:48:00.960 place

00:48:01.260 it

00:48:01.560 prevents

00:48:02.020 people

00:48:02.340 from

00:48:02.560 actually

00:48:02.900 being

00:48:03.380 able

00:48:03.600 to

00:48:03.760 have

00:48:03.940 those

00:48:04.140 experiences

00:48:04.680 and

00:48:05.020 make

00:48:05.240 those

00:48:05.560 mistakes

00:48:06.100 and

00:48:06.420 learning

00:48:06.700 on

00:48:06.880 their

00:48:07.000 own

00:48:07.260 so

00:48:08.160 we're

00:48:08.340 taught

00:48:08.560 that

00:48:08.720 our

00:48:08.860 rights

00:48:09.060 are

00:48:09.180 given

00:48:09.380 to

00:48:09.620 us

00:48:09.900 through

00:48:10.060 these

00:48:10.320 laws

00:48:10.740 and

00:48:11.040 these

00:48:11.500 rules

00:48:11.840 etc

00:48:12.220 and

00:48:12.620 in

00:48:12.780 these

00:48:12.960 15,000

00:48:13.620 hours

00:48:14.040 the

00:48:14.760 resistance

00:48:15.480 to

00:48:16.240 authority

00:48:16.560 is

00:48:16.760 just

00:48:16.940 bred

00:48:17.160 out

00:48:17.400 of

00:48:17.540 us

00:48:17.880 yeah

00:48:19.000 that's

00:48:20.080 the

00:48:20.200 thing

00:48:20.400 what

00:48:20.900 is

00:48:21.380 authority

00:48:21.940 who

00:48:22.540 is

00:48:22.840 authority

00:48:23.340 it's

00:48:24.040 basically

00:48:24.360 the

00:48:24.780 guy

00:48:24.960 that

00:48:25.120 has

00:48:25.300 the

00:48:25.500 bigger

00:48:25.700 guns

00:48:26.200 or

00:48:26.440 bombs

00:48:26.940 or

00:48:27.180 I

00:48:28.080 mean

00:48:28.260 if

00:48:28.400 you

00:48:28.500 go

00:48:28.640 back

00:48:28.920 into

00:48:29.140 European

00:48:29.600 history

00:48:30.120 it

00:48:30.320 was

00:48:30.440 you

00:48:30.960 know

00:48:31.120 the

00:48:31.720 churches

00:48:32.060 would

00:48:32.280 come

00:48:32.460 through

00:48:32.680 there

00:48:32.960 and

00:48:33.200 submit

00:48:33.620 to

00:48:33.920 believe

00:48:34.260 and

00:48:34.540 if

00:48:34.680 not

00:48:34.940 they

00:48:35.100 would

00:48:35.260 skin 0.97

00:48:35.560 you

00:48:35.740 alive

00:48:36.120 and

00:48:36.280 make

00:48:36.440 an

00:48:36.540 example

00:48:36.880 of

00:48:37.080 you

00:48:37.220 right

00:48:37.380 so

00:48:37.540 it's

00:48:37.720 fear

00:48:38.280 that

00:48:38.500 instilled

00:48:38.920 authority

00:48:39.520 right

00:48:41.080 and

00:48:41.240 who

00:48:41.420 is

00:48:41.540 responsible

00:48:41.960 for

00:48:42.280 you

00:48:42.540 we

00:48:43.020 are

00:48:43.140 responsible

00:48:43.500 for

00:48:43.760 ourselves

00:48:44.200 we're

00:48:44.500 responsible

00:48:44.820 for

00:48:45.060 our

00:48:45.220 actions

00:48:45.720 etc

00:48:46.920 it's

00:48:47.480 we

00:48:47.780 need

00:48:48.000 to

00:48:48.080 be

00:48:48.200 responsible

00:48:48.660 for

00:48:49.020 ourselves

00:48:49.500 but

00:48:49.900 people

00:48:50.260 have

00:48:50.480 become

00:48:51.180 just

00:48:51.540 complacent

00:48:52.360 to

00:48:53.220 having

00:48:54.100 other

00:48:54.380 people

00:48:54.780 make

00:48:55.240 decisions

00:48:55.600 for

00:48:55.920 them

00:48:56.200 and

00:48:56.380 be

00:48:56.540 responsible

00:48:57.000 for

00:48:57.360 them

00:48:57.640 I

00:48:58.500 just

00:48:58.720 think

00:48:59.260 that

00:48:59.600 as

00:48:59.940 things

00:49:00.360 get

00:49:01.200 worse

00:49:01.520 for

00:49:01.680 instance

00:49:01.880 as

00:49:02.240 people

00:49:02.500 become

00:49:02.960 unhealthy

00:49:03.520 as

00:49:03.980 the

00:49:04.320 results

00:49:04.800 of

00:49:05.340 the

00:49:06.500 quality

00:49:07.040 of

00:49:07.240 our

00:49:07.400 food

00:49:07.800 and

00:49:08.640 all

00:49:08.900 of

00:49:09.080 the

00:49:09.500 pesticides

00:49:10.480 and

00:49:10.780 herbicides

00:49:11.220 and

00:49:11.380 everything

00:49:11.580 else

00:49:11.860 as

00:49:12.140 these

00:49:12.420 things

00:49:12.720 begin

00:49:12.980 to

00:49:13.140 happen

00:49:13.420 as

00:49:13.700 they

00:49:14.060 lose

00:49:15.180 some

00:49:15.440 of

00:49:15.660 their

00:49:16.020 liberties

00:49:17.500 then

00:49:18.460 I

00:49:18.620 think

00:49:18.800 that

00:49:18.960 they

00:49:19.100 might

00:49:19.300 wake

00:49:19.520 up

00:49:19.700 to

00:49:19.880 it

00:49:20.160 and

00:49:22.240 you

00:49:23.360 become

00:49:23.700 uncomfortable

00:49:24.180 I guess

00:49:24.620 with

00:49:24.760 the

00:49:24.860 authority

00:49:25.200 is

00:49:25.380 what

00:49:25.480 I'm

00:49:25.600 saying

00:49:25.860 as

00:49:26.160 people

00:49:26.840 become

00:49:27.320 uncomfortable

00:49:27.880 and

00:49:28.680 it

00:49:28.780 starts

00:49:28.980 encroaching

00:49:29.480 in

00:49:29.760 on

00:49:29.900 their

00:49:30.020 daily

00:49:30.280 lives

00:49:30.640 then

00:49:30.960 you

00:49:31.540 begin

00:49:32.000 to

00:49:32.180 start

00:49:32.400 to

00:49:32.540 say

00:49:32.700 hey

00:49:32.960 what

00:49:33.380 is

00:49:33.620 this

00:49:33.940 and

00:49:34.160 why

00:49:34.400 are

00:49:34.580 these

00:49:34.760 people

00:49:35.000 making

00:49:35.320 decisions

00:49:35.760 for

00:49:36.020 me

00:49:36.200 and

00:49:36.420 who

00:49:36.620 is

00:49:36.860 responsible

00:49:37.300 for

00:49:37.620 me

00:49:37.820 if

00:49:38.020 not

00:49:38.200 myself

00:49:38.640 exactly

00:49:39.280 and

00:49:39.520 then

00:49:39.640 you

00:49:39.740 have

00:49:39.860 to

00:49:39.960 think

00:49:40.180 of it

00:49:40.440 a

00:49:40.580 different

00:49:40.820 way

00:49:41.060 by

00:49:41.540 me

00:49:41.800 not

00:49:42.020 following

00:49:42.580 their

00:49:42.920 law

00:49:43.340 I'm

00:49:44.060 actually

00:49:44.340 doing

00:49:44.660 the

00:49:44.900 right

00:49:45.200 thing

00:49:45.620 and

00:49:46.800 something

00:49:47.160 will

00:49:47.440 look

00:49:47.680 after

00:49:47.980 me

00:49:48.140 I

00:49:48.260 do

00:49:48.400 believe

00:49:48.640 there's

00:49:48.940 a

00:49:49.040 bigger

00:49:49.240 force

00:49:49.580 that

00:49:49.780 comes

00:49:50.020 into

00:49:50.260 play

00:49:50.560 and

00:49:50.880 looks

00:49:51.500 after

00:49:51.800 its

00:49:51.980 own

00:49:52.180 that

00:49:53.060 are

00:49:53.180 brave

00:49:53.440 enough

00:49:53.680 to

00:49:53.880 break

00:49:54.100 away

00:49:54.380 and

00:49:54.520 do

00:49:54.620 something

00:49:54.900 else

00:49:55.160 and

00:49:55.300 not

00:49:55.500 submit

00:49:55.860 yeah

00:49:56.420 it's

00:49:57.640 like

00:49:59.280 you

00:49:59.760 experience

00:50:00.400 little

00:50:00.600 synchronicities

00:50:01.260 you feel

00:50:01.660 like

00:50:01.800 you're

00:50:02.020 on

00:50:02.560 the

00:50:02.680 right

00:50:02.820 path

00:50:03.200 but

00:50:03.420 it's

00:50:03.720 not

00:50:04.160 easy

00:50:04.420 and

00:50:04.580 it

00:50:04.660 does

00:50:04.840 take

00:50:05.200 it

00:50:06.360 takes

00:50:06.580 a

00:50:06.720 lot

00:50:06.880 of

00:50:07.180 courage

00:50:08.640 to

00:50:09.560 be

00:50:10.160 responsible

00:50:10.700 for

00:50:11.260 the

00:50:11.400 contents

00:50:11.780 of

00:50:11.980 your

00:50:12.100 mind

00:50:12.480 and

00:50:12.900 to

00:50:13.060 be

00:50:13.200 responsible

00:50:13.660 for

00:50:14.160 yourself

00:50:14.600 and

00:50:15.220 to

00:50:16.060 say

00:50:16.440 no

00:50:17.700 to

00:50:17.840 authority

00:50:18.300 in

00:50:19.420 the

00:50:20.080 state

00:50:20.320 of

00:50:20.440 mind

00:50:20.660 do

00:50:20.820 you

00:50:20.840 guys

00:50:21.040 talk

00:50:21.300 about

00:50:21.460 the

00:50:21.620 scientific

00:50:22.060 dictatorship

00:50:22.860 at

00:50:23.120 all

00:50:23.260 because

00:50:23.420 they

00:50:23.540 play

00:50:23.740 a

00:50:23.860 huge

00:50:24.040 role

00:50:24.320 in

00:50:24.580 both

00:50:24.920 control

00:50:25.400 and

00:50:25.600 also

00:50:25.900 poisoning

00:50:26.560 the

00:50:26.800 planet

00:50:27.080 so

00:50:28.100 really

00:50:28.300 what

00:50:28.460 you're

00:50:28.560 talking

00:50:28.820 about

00:50:29.040 with

00:50:29.180 the

00:50:29.320 scientific

00:50:29.680 dictatorship

00:50:30.220 is

00:50:30.860 the

00:50:31.500 group

00:50:31.820 of

00:50:31.980 people

00:50:32.340 over

00:50:33.080 time

00:50:33.620 throughout

00:50:33.900 time

00:50:34.380 who

00:50:34.640 have

00:50:35.040 sought

00:50:36.320 to

00:50:36.580 understand

00:50:37.200 the

00:50:37.560 human

00:50:37.780 being

00:50:38.180 in

00:50:38.380 order

00:50:38.600 to

00:50:38.920 control

00:50:39.480 the

00:50:40.540 not

00:50:40.900 only

00:50:41.140 the

00:50:41.380 mind

00:50:41.720 of

00:50:41.900 the

00:50:42.000 human

00:50:42.200 being

00:50:42.500 but

00:50:42.720 the

00:50:42.920 body

00:50:43.300 of

00:50:43.620 the

00:50:43.760 human

00:50:44.000 being

00:50:44.340 as

00:50:44.740 a

00:50:44.940 human

00:50:45.160 resource

00:50:45.760 and

00:50:46.920 Bertrand

00:50:47.260 Russell

00:50:47.500 has

00:50:47.720 talked

00:50:47.940 about

00:50:48.180 this

00:50:48.460 and

00:50:48.660 the

00:50:48.760 impact

00:50:49.080 of

00:50:49.320 science

00:50:49.940 on

00:50:50.220 society

00:50:50.660 long

00:50:51.000 ago

00:50:51.260 he

00:50:51.440 talked

00:50:51.640 about

00:50:51.900 altering

00:50:52.540 seeds

00:50:53.620 he

00:50:54.080 talked

00:50:54.300 about

00:50:54.520 vaccine

00:50:55.080 he

00:50:55.560 talked

00:50:55.780 about

00:50:56.000 chemicals

00:50:56.540 that

00:50:56.900 can

00:50:57.040 actually

00:50:57.500 do

00:50:58.260 the

00:50:58.420 equivalent

00:50:58.860 of

00:50:59.260 a

00:50:59.520 chemical

00:51:00.160 lobotomy

00:51:00.960 to

00:51:01.400 easily

00:51:01.880 control

00:51:02.460 the

00:51:02.720 people

00:51:03.040 so

00:51:03.520 I

00:51:03.620 think

00:51:03.760 that

00:51:03.920 that's

00:51:04.140 going

00:51:04.300 on

00:51:04.480 as

00:51:04.620 well

00:51:04.800 you've

00:51:05.040 got

00:51:05.220 the

00:51:05.540 mind

00:51:06.160 control

00:51:06.480 aspects

00:51:06.940 and

00:51:07.180 Aldous

00:51:07.880 Huxley

00:51:08.200 actually

00:51:08.480 wrote

00:51:08.700 about

00:51:08.940 that

00:51:09.180 very

00:51:09.600 same

00:51:09.980 thing

00:51:10.440 and

00:51:11.080 what

00:51:11.520 we

00:51:13.780 see

00:51:14.100 now

00:51:14.520 is

00:51:15.120 you know

00:51:16.080 and

00:51:16.480 what

00:51:16.600 we

00:51:16.740 see

00:51:17.000 today

00:51:17.360 is

00:51:17.840 a

00:51:18.040 population

00:51:18.500 that

00:51:18.800 is

00:51:18.960 heavily

00:51:19.300 medicated

00:51:19.920 on

00:51:20.300 pharmaceutical

00:51:20.760 drugs

00:51:21.300 and

00:51:22.060 again

00:51:22.380 not

00:51:22.780 questioning

00:51:23.280 this

00:51:23.680 because

00:51:24.040 of

00:51:24.960 these

00:51:25.280 authorities

00:51:25.780 called

00:51:26.160 doctors

00:51:26.600 that

00:51:26.820 are

00:51:26.940 suggesting

00:51:27.320 them

00:51:27.680 and

00:51:28.180 prescribing

00:51:28.680 them

00:51:29.080 really

00:51:30.000 without

00:51:31.400 thinking

00:51:33.240 as

00:51:34.160 sort

00:51:34.400 of a

00:51:34.740 reaction

00:51:35.260 if

00:51:35.600 someone

00:51:35.880 has

00:51:36.180 trouble

00:51:36.420 sleeping

00:51:36.920 give

00:51:37.640 them

00:51:37.960 you know

00:51:38.380 this

00:51:38.600 pill

00:51:38.860 if

00:51:39.020 someone

00:51:39.280 has

00:51:39.780 a

00:51:39.900 little

00:51:40.000 bit

00:51:40.160 of

00:51:40.280 anxiety

00:51:40.760 give

00:51:41.040 them

00:51:41.160 this

00:51:41.340 pill

00:51:41.640 if

00:51:42.140 you're

00:51:42.280 feeling

00:51:42.540 sad

00:51:42.880 there's

00:51:43.140 a

00:51:43.260 pill

00:51:43.420 for

00:51:43.600 that

00:51:43.900 and

00:51:44.520 so

00:51:44.680 it

00:51:44.840 really

00:51:45.060 is

00:51:45.440 this

00:51:45.680 controlling

00:51:46.120 of

00:51:46.340 our

00:51:46.520 emotions

00:51:47.040 and

00:51:47.380 of

00:51:47.540 our

00:51:47.660 body

00:51:48.040 through

00:51:48.480 not

00:51:49.900 only

00:51:50.100 the

00:51:50.280 pharmaceutical

00:51:50.740 industry

00:51:51.260 but

00:51:51.460 also

00:51:51.720 the

00:51:51.880 food

00:51:52.060 we're

00:51:52.220 eating

00:51:52.460 as

00:51:52.640 we

00:51:52.740 were

00:51:52.840 talking

00:51:53.120 about

00:51:53.460 and

00:51:54.600 all

00:51:54.860 the

00:51:55.020 products

00:51:55.360 you

00:51:55.500 use

00:51:55.660 I

00:51:55.760 mean

00:51:55.820 today

00:51:56.000 I

00:51:56.160 was

00:51:56.280 working

00:51:56.560 on

00:51:56.720 a

00:51:56.820 health

00:51:57.020 article

00:51:57.340 about

00:51:57.720 a

00:51:58.340 toothbrush

00:51:58.640 seems

00:51:59.160 like a

00:51:59.460 benign

00:51:59.780 thing

00:52:00.040 I

00:52:00.180 wanted

00:52:00.320 to

00:52:00.500 see

00:52:00.620 at what

00:52:00.860 point

00:52:01.120 it

00:52:01.260 became

00:52:01.600 something

00:52:02.020 toxic

00:52:02.560 using

00:52:03.160 nylon

00:52:03.580 and

00:52:03.920 plastic

00:52:04.560 and

00:52:04.840 things

00:52:05.040 that

00:52:05.140 you

00:52:05.240 shouldn't

00:52:05.700 be

00:52:05.860 shoving 0.99

00:52:06.200 in

00:52:06.320 your 0.91

00:52:06.400 mouth 0.93

00:52:06.640 like

00:52:06.800 that

00:52:07.020 it

00:52:07.440 used

00:52:07.600 to

00:52:07.680 be

00:52:07.780 just

00:52:07.920 using

00:52:08.160 some

00:52:08.400 wood

00:52:08.760 maybe

00:52:09.000 some

00:52:09.260 boar's

00:52:09.660 hair

00:52:09.940 or

00:52:10.460 twigs

00:52:12.020 or herbs

00:52:12.760 or whatever

00:52:13.320 and then it

00:52:13.680 became this

00:52:14.180 real toxic

00:52:15.220 utensil

00:52:15.920 and then I

00:52:16.680 traced it

00:52:17.120 to

00:52:17.300 three

00:52:17.740 families

00:52:18.340 which are

00:52:18.740 all

00:52:18.940 eugenicists

00:52:19.700 so it was

00:52:20.000 the founder

00:52:20.440 of

00:52:20.880 DuPont

00:52:21.620 you had

00:52:22.360 the founder

00:52:23.100 of

00:52:23.340 Procter & Gamble

00:52:24.140 and then of

00:52:24.900 course the

00:52:25.440 Rockefeller

00:52:26.380 Foundation

00:52:27.060 so all

00:52:27.900 these people

00:52:28.340 were working

00:52:28.780 together

00:52:29.200 to first

00:52:30.140 manufacture

00:52:30.840 the first

00:52:31.580 toxic

00:52:32.260 toothbrush

00:52:32.900 in America

00:52:33.840 and of

00:52:34.280 course put

00:52:34.700 out the

00:52:35.020 fluoride

00:52:35.540 toothpaste

00:52:35.880 so it's

00:52:36.900 everywhere

00:52:37.300 when you

00:52:38.000 research some

00:52:38.540 of these

00:52:38.820 huge toxic

00:52:39.560 companies

00:52:40.080 they're all

00:52:41.200 eugenicists

00:52:42.100 well and it's

00:52:43.120 you're talking

00:52:43.540 about just

00:52:43.940 looking at

00:52:44.600 the ordinary

00:52:45.300 everyday

00:52:45.660 things that

00:52:46.100 you use

00:52:46.660 in your

00:52:46.960 life

00:52:47.380 like a

00:52:47.860 toothbrush

00:52:48.120 or when

00:52:49.240 I started

00:52:49.640 looking into

00:52:50.240 mattresses

00:52:51.020 and pillows

00:52:51.420 and things

00:52:51.900 like that

00:52:52.260 I started

00:52:52.640 realizing all

00:52:53.380 these flame

00:52:53.900 retardant 1.00

00:52:54.400 chemicals

00:52:54.800 and you

00:52:55.960 know again

00:52:56.300 DuPont

00:52:56.820 chemicals

00:52:57.360 etc

00:52:57.740 and you

00:52:58.440 just you

00:52:58.860 don't realize

00:52:59.760 the litany

00:53:00.520 of you

00:53:03.000 know toxins

00:53:03.600 that are in

00:53:04.180 your environment

00:53:05.180 and there's

00:53:06.360 really no pushback

00:53:07.160 for these

00:53:07.500 companies

00:53:07.880 of course a

00:53:08.700 lot of the

00:53:09.300 materials that

00:53:10.160 they make

00:53:10.840 could be

00:53:11.580 could be

00:53:13.140 done with

00:53:13.600 hemp

00:53:13.960 exactly

00:53:14.960 when you

00:53:15.620 talk about

00:53:16.020 DuPont

00:53:16.720 etc

00:53:17.000 plastics

00:53:17.640 all the

00:53:18.380 the

00:53:18.780 the green

00:53:20.360 movement

00:53:20.740 they're talking

00:53:21.320 about you

00:53:21.860 know carbon

00:53:22.280 dioxide

00:53:22.700 and this

00:53:23.000 and that

00:53:23.200 well how

00:53:23.680 about all

00:53:24.020 the pollution

00:53:24.560 and the

00:53:24.880 plastic

00:53:25.280 etc

00:53:25.620 because if

00:53:26.200 you were

00:53:26.400 making that

00:53:27.020 with hemp

00:53:28.080 then there

00:53:28.880 wouldn't be

00:53:29.220 the pollution

00:53:29.700 you could

00:53:30.100 just take

00:53:30.500 your plastic

00:53:31.120 hemp plastic

00:53:32.280 water bottle

00:53:32.920 and you

00:53:33.500 know go put

00:53:33.940 it in your

00:53:34.240 compost pile

00:53:35.020 and it would

00:53:35.480 just go ahead

00:53:36.900 and it would

00:53:37.580 become you

00:53:38.400 know useful

00:53:38.880 soil in a

00:53:40.180 few years

00:53:40.780 and we're

00:53:41.840 just not doing

00:53:42.700 things intelligently

00:53:45.300 no one is

00:53:46.380 pointing the

00:53:46.860 fingers at

00:53:47.640 these companies

00:53:48.280 who are

00:53:48.580 producing these

00:53:49.220 products

00:53:49.600 these guys

00:53:50.880 who get in

00:53:51.420 there through

00:53:51.820 philanthropy

00:53:52.540 and donations

00:53:53.640 and funding

00:53:54.620 schools and

00:53:55.460 researchers

00:53:55.900 and then everyone

00:53:56.600 just believes

00:53:57.360 whatever they

00:53:57.920 say

00:53:58.240 and then this

00:53:58.980 green movement

00:53:59.480 is a scam

00:54:00.220 because the

00:54:01.300 extent of it

00:54:01.980 is like oh

00:54:02.840 recycle your

00:54:03.540 water bottle

00:54:04.200 take less

00:54:05.240 showers

00:54:05.600 it's all about

00:54:05.720 you and what

00:54:06.400 you're doing

00:54:07.040 yeah you're the 1.00

00:54:07.760 parasite 1.00

00:54:08.140 you're the 1.00

00:54:09.360 parasite 0.99

00:54:09.780 it's not the

00:54:11.080 toxins that are

00:54:11.700 being dumped by

00:54:12.320 these corporations

00:54:13.020 it's not the

00:54:13.700 fact that they're

00:54:14.360 making things

00:54:15.380 with these

00:54:16.300 materials that

00:54:17.160 they don't need

00:54:17.660 to be making

00:54:18.100 them with

00:54:18.520 etc it's it's

00:54:19.340 not their fault

00:54:20.000 it's all up to

00:54:20.740 you and recycling

00:54:21.880 your water bottle

00:54:22.720 yeah I mean I

00:54:24.200 have an organic

00:54:25.180 bed and it's made

00:54:25.920 from wool and

00:54:27.700 cotton it is the

00:54:28.840 most comfortable

00:54:29.380 thing ever and

00:54:30.840 they've been able

00:54:31.320 to mimic the

00:54:32.180 memory phone using

00:54:33.560 it there's a lot

00:54:34.280 of great organic

00:54:35.100 beds out there

00:54:36.280 that you can buy

00:54:36.960 I mean that's

00:54:37.880 something that

00:54:38.280 you're sleeping

00:54:39.540 on it you're

00:54:40.300 sweating on it

00:54:41.060 it's right there

00:54:41.840 in your skin

00:54:42.420 I mean I think

00:54:42.980 that this is a

00:54:43.700 big first step

00:54:45.020 to really clean

00:54:46.040 out all those

00:54:46.600 products out of

00:54:47.260 your house and

00:54:47.960 from your body

00:54:48.680 I mean there's

00:54:49.540 alternatives I mean

00:54:50.760 I'm a woman I

00:54:51.320 like to have

00:54:51.680 makeup I've found

00:54:52.440 some amazing

00:54:53.240 natural mineral

00:54:54.260 makeups and hair

00:54:55.800 products and it

00:54:56.860 feels so luxurious

00:54:57.840 actually and

00:54:59.540 you'll have to

00:55:00.180 share some of

00:55:00.700 those with me

00:55:02.020 after the show

00:55:02.680 because I've

00:55:03.240 actually been

00:55:03.580 looking recently

00:55:04.100 I find that it's

00:55:04.960 really challenging

00:55:05.620 even to do

00:55:06.200 research because

00:55:06.900 these companies

00:55:09.480 are very deceptive

00:55:10.580 the marketing

00:55:11.160 and the

00:55:12.080 advertising

00:55:12.560 it's you know

00:55:13.960 they're clever

00:55:14.520 they're very

00:55:15.180 clever

00:55:15.540 and you almost

00:55:17.920 have to get

00:55:18.600 you know

00:55:19.140 a friend of

00:55:20.400 mine was

00:55:20.700 telling me

00:55:21.080 recently that

00:55:21.700 he got a

00:55:23.140 biochemistry book

00:55:24.260 from a university

00:55:25.540 because he was

00:55:26.260 trying to understand

00:55:27.020 some of the

00:55:27.520 supplements that

00:55:28.140 he was taking

00:55:28.640 and some of

00:55:29.860 the ingredients

00:55:30.380 in his food

00:55:31.260 etc he's like

00:55:32.040 I feel like I

00:55:32.520 have to get a

00:55:33.100 degree in

00:55:33.480 biochemistry

00:55:33.960 just to

00:55:34.340 understand these

00:55:34.960 things you know

00:55:35.560 but it's true

00:55:36.240 we do have to

00:55:36.900 do some

00:55:37.480 and here's

00:55:38.020 the thing

00:55:38.460 if you're

00:55:38.920 having a hard

00:55:39.660 time understanding

00:55:40.500 what it is

00:55:41.580 it most likely

00:55:42.560 is a chemical

00:55:43.560 because a lot

00:55:44.240 of my labels

00:55:44.920 I can read

00:55:45.680 and oh I know

00:55:46.980 what that is

00:55:47.520 I know what

00:55:47.940 that is

00:55:48.320 I know what

00:55:48.880 everything is

00:55:49.420 so the fewer

00:55:49.960 the ingredients

00:55:50.940 the better

00:55:51.620 and there's a lot

00:55:53.620 of words

00:55:53.920 a lot of words

00:55:55.240 being thrown

00:55:55.640 around like

00:55:56.160 all natural

00:55:57.300 herbal

00:55:58.000 and organic 1.00

00:55:58.820 it's all bullshit 1.00

00:56:00.000 and the definitions 0.99

00:56:01.640 have been changed

00:56:02.580 they are decontextualizing

00:56:04.020 our language

00:56:04.620 the same as they

00:56:05.420 decontextualize

00:56:06.340 our history

00:56:06.880 takes away

00:56:07.720 the meaning

00:56:08.160 and it takes

00:56:08.920 away our ability

00:56:10.380 to understand

00:56:11.160 and to learn

00:56:12.040 and to make

00:56:13.020 good decisions

00:56:13.520 on our own behalf

00:56:14.520 I've said this before

00:56:16.320 but I'll say it again

00:56:17.060 that's why

00:56:17.540 this is a good time

00:56:18.980 when the alternative

00:56:19.780 community can get

00:56:20.940 together

00:56:21.340 and actually support

00:56:22.800 the companies

00:56:23.440 that are really

00:56:24.440 putting out

00:56:25.000 the good products

00:56:25.920 the good food

00:56:27.120 the good alternative

00:56:28.140 I mean

00:56:28.660 it is a time

00:56:29.760 to put your money

00:56:30.460 where your mouth is

00:56:31.320 absolutely

00:56:31.900 absolutely

00:56:32.820 whether it's

00:56:33.880 alternative media

00:56:34.940 or alternative

00:56:36.280 options

00:56:37.520 for your clothing

00:56:38.500 or your mattress

00:56:39.560 you know

00:56:40.620 etc

00:56:40.880 these decisions

00:56:41.960 that we make

00:56:42.540 every day

00:56:42.980 we are voting

00:56:43.620 with our dollars

00:56:44.200 I think it does

00:56:44.900 make a difference

00:56:45.460 I know it makes

00:56:46.160 a difference

00:56:46.620 because Rich and I

00:56:48.160 couldn't get up

00:56:48.740 and do what we do

00:56:49.440 every day

00:56:49.980 without the generosity

00:56:51.600 of the subscribers

00:56:52.900 and the people

00:56:53.760 who are in the

00:56:55.740 Tragedy and Hope

00:56:56.300 research community

00:56:57.260 and the people

00:56:58.240 who donate

00:56:58.700 and who buy

00:56:59.540 hard copies of our work

00:57:00.780 to support us

00:57:01.640 without that

00:57:03.040 we wouldn't

00:57:04.320 be able

00:57:04.740 to sustain

00:57:06.160 and with that

00:57:07.200 the possibilities

00:57:07.840 I think are endless

00:57:08.760 when people start

00:57:09.740 really being conscious

00:57:11.960 of where they're

00:57:14.060 spending their money

00:57:14.900 and take a little bit

00:57:16.100 from a place

00:57:17.040 like maybe

00:57:17.620 cable television

00:57:18.460 or some other thing

00:57:19.380 that you don't

00:57:19.800 necessarily need

00:57:20.940 and putting it

00:57:21.960 someplace where you know

00:57:23.120 that it's going

00:57:23.960 to make a difference

00:57:24.760 exactly

00:57:25.500 and here's the thing

00:57:26.180 if we create

00:57:26.780 these businesses

00:57:27.480 then there's also

00:57:28.820 better jobs

00:57:30.160 for people

00:57:30.940 that are like-minded

00:57:31.920 that want to

00:57:32.540 create our own

00:57:34.000 free market

00:57:34.920 you know what I'm saying

00:57:36.280 right

00:57:36.540 right

00:57:37.720 make

00:57:38.160 make the current

00:57:39.700 system obsolete

00:57:40.660 by creating something

00:57:41.780 new

00:57:42.180 that does serve

00:57:43.080 all of our interests

00:57:44.100 as individuals

00:57:45.900 together

00:57:47.160 as we begin

00:57:49.800 to wrap up here

00:57:50.600 on a spiritual

00:57:51.420 side of this

00:57:52.080 do you think

00:57:52.940 humanity

00:57:53.360 will break free

00:57:54.400 and fulfill

00:57:55.080 some sort of destiny

00:57:56.200 I'd like to think so

00:57:58.860 I mean I believe

00:57:59.560 it's possible

00:58:00.220 I think we have

00:58:01.080 an enormous

00:58:01.720 amount of potential

00:58:02.880 so yeah

00:58:04.580 I think so

00:58:05.600 I think so

00:58:06.620 yeah I know

00:58:07.600 Richard Grove

00:58:08.460 has said too

00:58:08.960 the real revolution

00:58:09.860 is between the ears

00:58:11.280 that's right

00:58:12.500 I like that

00:58:14.940 yeah

00:58:15.280 so also

00:58:16.820 as we wrap up

00:58:17.500 why don't you tell us

00:58:18.180 how people can watch

00:58:18.920 State of Mind

00:58:19.740 and anything else

00:58:20.520 you'd like to mention

00:58:21.220 well

00:58:23.100 you can find

00:58:24.520 State of Mind

00:58:25.600 actually

00:58:26.000 I'm going to have

00:58:26.620 to link to it

00:58:27.160 on our website

00:58:27.760 because there's

00:58:28.340 an IMDB page

00:58:29.500 but it's just

00:58:30.160 a little bit

00:58:30.540 too complicated

00:58:31.100 for me to try

00:58:32.020 and read out

00:58:32.480 right now

00:58:32.920 but you can

00:58:33.620 certainly visit

00:58:34.200 tragedyandhope.com

00:58:35.520 and you can

00:58:37.320 get in touch

00:58:37.860 with all of

00:58:38.940 our media there

00:58:39.740 and if you'd like

00:58:40.380 to participate

00:58:40.820 in the community

00:58:41.480 there's also

00:58:42.100 a tab there

00:58:42.760 where you can

00:58:43.280 click to

00:58:43.860 join and check

00:58:44.720 out the resources

00:58:45.440 in the research

00:58:46.500 and development

00:58:46.980 community

00:58:47.580 Lisa thank you

00:58:48.800 it's been very

00:58:49.300 refreshing

00:58:49.740 speaking with you

00:58:50.640 thank you so much

00:58:51.920 Lana for inviting

00:58:52.760 me and really

00:58:53.580 putting me at ease

00:58:54.720 and I enjoyed

00:58:56.100 our conversation

00:58:56.840 and thank all

00:58:58.320 of you ladies

00:58:58.900 and gentlemen

00:58:59.420 for listening

00:59:00.000 and supporting

00:59:00.560 Red Ice Creations

00:59:01.340 we do appreciate

00:59:02.180 it

00:59:02.480 I'm going to

00:59:03.300 leave everyone

00:59:03.760 with a fitting

00:59:04.300 quote by

00:59:04.760 Lysander Spooner

00:59:05.780 which I know

00:59:06.420 you guys have

00:59:07.460 talked about

00:59:07.840 a tragedy

00:59:08.280 and hope as well

00:59:08.980 a man's natural

00:59:10.500 rights are his

00:59:11.180 own against

00:59:12.040 the whole world

00:59:12.940 and any

00:59:13.480 infringement

00:59:14.240 of them

00:59:14.820 is equally

00:59:15.380 a crime

00:59:16.020 whether committed

00:59:16.960 by one man

00:59:17.740 or by millions

00:59:18.720 whether committed

00:59:19.740 by one man

00:59:20.400 calling himself

00:59:21.100 a robber

00:59:21.760 or any other

00:59:22.760 name indicating

00:59:23.540 his true character

00:59:24.580 or by millions

00:59:25.800 calling themselves

00:59:26.700 a government

00:59:27.560 that's a great

00:59:29.140 one I'll leave

00:59:29.640 you with a quote

00:59:30.340 by Stephen Biko

00:59:32.560 and it's

00:59:33.960 the most potent

00:59:35.020 weapon in the

00:59:36.020 hands of the

00:59:36.440 oppressor

00:59:37.000 is the mind

00:59:38.220 of the oppressed

00:59:39.120 yeah 0.92

00:59:40.340 kick it 0.96

00:59:48.060 you wake up

01:00:03.020 late for school

01:00:03.760 man you don't

01:00:04.740 want to go

01:00:05.740 you ask your mom

01:00:10.580 please

01:00:11.040 but you still

01:00:11.880 said no

01:00:12.960 you missed

01:00:17.340 two classes

01:00:18.240 and no homework

01:00:20.120 but your teacher

01:00:24.460 reaches class

01:00:25.400 like it's

01:00:25.940 some kind of 1.00

01:00:26.820 jerk 1.00

01:00:27.260 you gotta fight

01:00:31.640 for your right

01:00:33.480 to party

01:00:36.640 your pop's clear

01:00:42.820 smoking man

01:00:43.740 he says

01:00:44.300 no way 1.00

01:00:45.360 that hypocrite 1.00

01:00:50.520 smokes two packs 1.00

01:00:51.780 a day

01:00:52.540 man living at home

01:00:57.740 is such a trend

01:00:59.860 now your mom

01:01:04.120 threw away

01:01:04.900 your best

01:01:05.640 poor

01:01:06.140 no man

01:01:07.080 bless it

01:01:08.400 you gotta fight

01:01:11.200 for your right

01:01:13.040 to party

01:01:16.160 you gotta fight

01:01:29.040 if you

01:01:32.380 good

01:01:33.600 no

01:01:34.300 for your importa

01:01:37.800 poco

01:01:38.500 me

01:01:40.040 uh

01:01:42.020 my

01:01:43.220 point

01:01:43.420 at this

01:01:43.900 house

01:01:44.400 If that's the closer I got no way you're 0.97

01:01:46.640 I'll kick you out of my home 1.00

01:01:51.580 If you don't cut that hair 0.99

01:01:53.640 Your mom busted in and said

01:01:59.280 What's that noise

01:02:00.980 Oh, mom, you're just jealous 1.00

01:02:06.080 It's a pretty sting

01:02:07.520 Boys

01:02:08.180 You gotta fight

01:02:12.260 For your right

01:02:14.080 To party

01:02:17.240 You gotta fight

01:02:23.040 For your right

01:02:24.840 To party

01:02:28.040 Party

01:02:41.240 Party

01:02:44.400 Party

01:02:52.000 Party

01:02:53.680 Party

01:02:57.280 Thank you.

Radio 3Fourteen - April 17, 2013

Human Needs_ Control _ Group Think

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