Radio 3Fourteen - Is it Possible for Jewish Nationalists _ European Nationalists to Work Together_

00:00:00.000 Welcome, ladies and gents. This is Lana with a unique show this evening. My guest is known

00:00:19.360 as Reactionary Jew on Twitter. I met him at the MPI conference in DC. You know, the one

00:00:24.860 where five guys made a salute and the video of it was seen across the world. Yeah, he'll

00:00:29.800 share his reaction to that since he was there. He's a Jewish ethno-nationalist, orthodox

00:00:34.980 traditionalist, and understands that diversity is not a strength. We'll talk about his induction

00:00:40.340 into race realism and his reaction upon discovering the alt-right, Jewish memes and all. I give 0.98

00:00:46.620 him a lot of room to talk and present his view and how it connects with the alt-right. He

00:00:51.140 responds to basic JQ talking points commonly heard by European nationalists. There's so

00:00:57.060 much more we could have talked about, and we will in the future, but this is a good

00:01:00.840 first start. Is it possible to create a bridge between Jewish nationalists and European nationalists?

00:01:07.480 Is a new generation of right-wing nationalist Jews seeing the possible benefits in such a 1.00

00:01:12.720 union? Get comfortable for the next two hours. Reactionary Jew up next. 1.00

00:01:18.540 Welcome, Reactionary Jew. I know this is going to be a very interesting conversation, especially 1.00

00:01:22.780 since you're familiar with red eyes and the alt-right. So thank you for being here.

00:01:27.280 Thank you for having me. Well, we have a lot we're going to try and cover. So I think we

00:01:31.800 should just really dive in right away and you should share with us, you know, what are your

00:01:35.340 views and how did you come to them as a young Jew? Well, I guess I'll go through my upbringing.

00:01:42.320 I was raised in an orthodox Jewish household, which means, you know, traditionally religious,

00:01:47.180 quite socially conservative, and also conservative in the way that Americans consider what conservatism

00:01:54.640 is, not full-blown, you know, racial realism. That would be insane. But on the other hand,

00:02:01.620 my parents were not PC about anything. I wasn't raised, you know, we have to be so sensitive to

00:02:06.980 minority struggles. I never had any of that. Multiculturalism was, you know, a joke in my 1.00

00:02:12.160 household. Like my dad was talking about how Europe was destroying itself by importing an invasion

00:02:17.280 many years ago. So I never had, you know, total delusions about race, even if I wasn't

00:02:23.080 fully red-pilled. But at the same time, I still was a little uneasy about being fully red-pilled.

00:02:31.040 And I'll just give, I'll walk you through what the process was for me. So this, first actually,

00:02:38.380 I'd like to talk a little about, in school, what we learned, because I went to a religious Jewish

00:02:42.920 day school. And on the one hand, you know, we did learn in our English studies, and I do wonder who

00:02:49.200 puts this curriculum together, because it's a private school. We learned about the struggle of

00:02:54.740 new immigrants who came to this country, and the little ghettos they formed. And that's the European 1.00

00:03:00.420 immigrants as well, the Latin immigrants, all the traditional literature that they have carved out

00:03:06.120 in public schools. And I was getting mixed messages, because in school, they were teaching

00:03:10.760 that, but at home, my parents were more conservative. And then in the Hebrew studies,

00:03:17.940 they taught us about Zionism. It was a very sanitized version of Zionism. I'll touch on that

00:03:22.680 later, which I think that in Jewish day schools, and just in general, the way we are presented with

00:03:28.400 what Zionism is, as a sort of, they use this term national liberation movement, which I prefer to just

00:03:35.160 call it what it is. It's an ethno-nationalist movement. But we even learned about figures like

00:03:42.200 Mayor Kahana. And Mayor Kahana is like, as radical as it gets. A lot of people call him

00:03:46.760 the Jewish Hitler. I'm not a fan of that comparison for a number of reasons. But when you think of

00:03:51.240 really right-wing Zionists, Mayor Kahana is up there. And at least my teacher in seventh grade

00:03:56.460 presented his assassination to us as a tragedy, even though she did say he was kind of out there.

00:04:02.620 So we were learning about Herzl and Jabotinsky. And this was in seventh grade, to give you an idea.

00:04:09.420 And the contradiction between the values at home and the values in school in my English classes

00:04:15.280 regarding immigration and multiculturalism, that did strike me. But the contrast between Zionism

00:04:21.820 and multiculturalism, I didn't really consider the contradiction between those two ideas.

00:04:26.700 Anyway, fast forward a little. In high school, I went to a high school that was not really

00:04:32.280 Zionist, because it was a more ultra-Orthodox high school, you know, like they wear the black hats. 0.98

00:04:38.940 And those Jews are actually surprisingly, they see Zionism as sort of a distraction. They have 0.99

00:04:43.980 institutions in Israel, they have educational centers there. But they think that really, a focus

00:04:50.260 on nationalism takes Jews away from their primary religious purpose, even if they're not

00:04:55.200 actively opposed to it. They're also coming from a background where their particular subsect of

00:05:02.260 Jews is reacting very strongly to the Jewish enlightenment in Europe, to secular Zionism,

00:05:08.160 which they really see as a negative thing. So today, they see now a lot of religious Jews 1.00

00:05:12.960 are establishing things in Israel. But back then, they still have this holdover from this is a really

00:05:18.780 negative, potently negative thing. Now, just because they weren't really for it doesn't mean

00:05:25.180 they were against it. But it wasn't a focus during high school, although my parents were still very

00:05:29.820 Zionist during that time. So I would hear about the news in Israel very sympathetically. But anyway,

00:05:35.580 fast forward a little. Once I started entering college, I started becoming very interested in

00:05:41.740 religious topics, in philosophy, in science. And I sort of put politics on a total hold. In many ways,

00:05:47.500 I was an anti-pragmatist. I was just interested in my ivory towers. And I'm glad I went through that

00:05:52.020 phase. But it was what it was. But then during the 2016 election, that was the first time that I was

00:05:58.840 seriously looking at an election. I had followed the Romney election, but I wasn't nearly as invested

00:06:03.540 as I was, even from the beginning of the primaries in the 2016 election. And I thought Trump at the

00:06:09.920 beginning, I thought he was a total joke. I thought he had no idea what he was doing, that he had no

00:06:14.800 concrete policy proposals. And I couldn't understand how people could support him during the primary.

00:06:23.100 Not because I thought building a wall was evil, not because I thought that protectionism was inherently bad,

00:06:28.780 but just because he himself, his persona I saw as absurd. So I had this friend who's actually, he's always been

00:06:37.460 right-wing. I don't want to say what profession he's going into. He's one of the Jews that I've

00:06:44.580 been talking with extensively, who now shares my full views. He's a very good friend of mine. But the kind

00:06:50.820 of field that he's in, the education that he's pursuing, a New York Jew from a middle class or upper

00:06:56.880 middle class background, you expect him to be this total liberal cosmopolitan elite. But after the Romney

00:07:03.300 election, he started reading Pat Buchanan and Jared Taylor, and he became fully red-pilled. And

00:07:09.320 he was supporting Trump from the beginning of the primary. And I had to ask him, I was a Cruz fan

00:07:14.460 back then, because I was looking for an intellectual framework for conservatism. And the sort of national

00:07:19.600 review type of audience provided me with that. And it was not really attached to reality. In hindsight,

00:07:26.180 I see that now. These ideas of free market, I actually prefer a more, you know, laissez-faire economic

00:07:31.540 approach. I haven't become a socialist with my foray into the alt-right. But at the same time,

00:07:36.080 I recognize that just these ideas alone, without some sort of grounding in what a civilization and

00:07:41.220 a tradition means, can totally take your society off the rails. And I didn't grasp that at the time.

00:07:46.720 That's why I supported Ted Cruz. I thought he was, you know, the really anti-establishment,

00:07:52.540 conservative hardliner. And I told my friend, you know, like, how could you support Trump?

00:07:59.280 And I think he understood it's very hard to convey ideas like this when someone is so rooted and

00:08:06.180 they don't, they're not red-pilled on race, and they sort of see any appeal to race as they react

00:08:12.680 very negatively to it. He was trying to explain to me the sort of trust that people had in politicians

00:08:17.560 and how it was totally eroded. And Trump represented someone who was not going to give people the same

00:08:23.760 policies over and over. And he linked me because we were talking about free speech at the time.

00:08:27.820 He linked me to American Renaissance. And he, yeah, and he said, you should read some of their

00:08:33.980 articles. Like, this might make you understand a little more. And I looked at American Renaissance.

00:08:41.180 And at first, I thought it was, you know, some conservative publication. But I started reading

00:08:44.860 through it. And then I realized what exactly it was about. And at the time, now I look back at

00:08:49.560 American Renaissance, as much respect as I have for it. It's like pretty centrist or even left-leaning

00:08:55.820 on its approach. Yeah. I mean, Jared has mentioned, too, that he has several Jewish friends that have

00:08:59.960 been a part of American Renaissance since the beginning. So. Yeah. And, but even for, even aside

00:09:07.720 from, let's say, the Jewish question, American Renaissance is still very libertarian in terms

00:09:12.520 of its approach to policy. It's true. Yeah. But at the time, you know, for me, looking at that,

00:09:18.380 and they made distinctions between race and IQ, I don't get triggered. I'd even back then,

00:09:23.220 I didn't get triggered. But I definitely like, ah, this is, you know, this is kind of fringe stuff.

00:09:27.960 This is a little ridiculous. And I'd been exposed to race realism before when it came up on Reddit.

00:09:33.120 And I was like, oh, these clowns again. But eventually, and this, back at the time, 0.88

00:09:39.480 since I was exploring conservative ideology, I was watching some of these, you know, anti-feminist, 0.99

00:09:45.580 anti-social justice YouTubers. I still, they were to the left of me. But I thought that they explored

00:09:50.300 some of these topics in an interesting way. In hindsight, I think they're a bunch of leftists.

00:09:54.920 But at the time, I was watching Sargon of Akkad, you know, you know who Sargon is.

00:09:58.940 We know who he is.

00:10:00.780 And he had this debate with millennial woes on a hangout, and also a standalone debate.

00:10:05.780 I've seen it, yeah.

00:10:07.580 And I remember watching both of those. And I think it was in the hangout. I'm not sure which one

00:10:12.320 specifically, but I think it was in the hangout. One of the people was trying to explain to Sargon that

00:10:17.400 your race or your people, the group that forms your identity, is part of an extended family.

00:10:24.320 And it's totally natural to care about them before you care about other groups. And that

00:10:28.620 doesn't mean you hate other groups. And Sargon, you know, just being stuck in this liberal mindset,

00:10:35.580 and by liberal, I mean classically liberal, encompassing American conservatism, for example,

00:10:39.940 where you cannot distinguish between citizens. Citizens are citizens, regardless of what their

00:10:46.080 genetics or identity or anything are.

00:10:49.240 Right.

00:10:49.920 Yeah. And that's when I realized that I was raised with a tribal identity as part of an extended

00:10:57.500 family. Because in our education, these things were taken for granted, that we're part of a nation

00:11:02.860 that has a historical trajectory, and that we should care specifically about the destiny of that

00:11:08.600 historical trajectory. One of the great ironies for me, actually, is I see so many on the alt-right,

00:11:13.680 they say things like, Jews are ethnocentric, and they're insulated. It's almost like an insult or

00:11:19.560 a slur. I think it's pointing out the double standard, which is fair. But I love those things 0.78

00:11:24.580 about us. I love that word, ethnocentric.

00:11:26.660 Of course.

00:11:27.280 Yeah.

00:11:27.580 Yeah. And when I grew up, you know, most of my friends, most of the people I was exposed to,

00:11:32.500 most of my family friends, and I didn't even realize it, I just took it for granted as a fact of life.

00:11:37.380 Most of everyone that I associated with in every context were overwhelmingly Jewish.

00:11:43.780 And that was when something clicked for me. I wasn't immediately convinced that the alt-right

00:11:49.140 was correct about tribal identity. But that was when I realized that it's not just something crazy

00:11:54.580 or evil, or, you know, they hate everyone. There is something that needs to be explored here.

00:12:00.900 And then I went back to Ameren, and I started reading articles there. And I started watching

00:12:05.080 Jared Taylor's speeches and other Ameren's speeches on YouTube. And within, I'd say, a month,

00:12:10.100 maybe a little more, maybe a little, like a few weeks, you know, a few weeks, three to five weeks,

00:12:14.120 I was fully red-pilled, at least on race. And I thought that, and this is interesting also in

00:12:21.200 hindsight, so many things in hindsight, you know, appear totally different as your views evolve.

00:12:26.100 But at the time, I was really interested, because it's a big argument, like, is there such a thing

00:12:31.240 as institutional racism? And the conservatives will say, no, there isn't, because you can explain it

00:12:37.080 based on the choices that they make. And that's why the IQ disparities appeal to me so much,

00:12:42.420 because they provided a satisfying explanation for the disparity in achievement. In hindsight,

00:12:47.080 I think that there's much more to that. And I think that IQ is actually an immense oversimplification

00:12:52.660 of the issue. I think that if you took whites with an average 85 IQ, which is the same as the

00:12:57.980 American black average IQ, and you selected specifically for even 80 IQ whites, like lower IQ than blacks, 0.99

00:13:04.240 they would still build a much better and different society than American blacks. It's not just IQ, 1.00

00:13:09.440 there's a lot that goes into that. But at the time, that was what was the initial red pill.

00:13:15.620 Now, on the JQ, this is very interesting. A lot of Jews, you know, when they encounter people saying

00:13:20.440 Jews are disproportionately represented, and they do all these bad things in society, 1.00

00:13:25.580 they react to that very negatively, like, oh, this is Nazi propaganda. And these are just all the

00:13:30.760 things that were used to persecute us in the past. But to me, even when I was 14, when I was very

00:13:36.340 young, I'd say even before that, but this is like when I really remember me exploring this topic.

00:13:41.560 I noted very heavily how Jews were the ones who were, at least, again, overwhelmingly represented

00:13:49.880 in spearheading degeneracy. I don't just mean in general supporting it, because there are a lot of

00:13:54.840 whites do, but people really pushing the envelope of what's acceptable in society when it came to gay

00:14:00.680 rights as a great example. Jews were at the forefront of that. There was some article by

00:14:07.240 some guy, some pastor or some, I forgot the name of it, but he was arguing, like, Jews are involved

00:14:13.160 in this. And a lot of Jewish friends were like, oh, this is terrible. How could he say that? And I

00:14:17.600 remember reading him, like, this seems fine to me, even back then. And I recognized that we really are

00:14:24.220 involved in whether it be Marxism, whether it be feminism. You can go down the list of intellectual

00:14:31.100 movements in European history. And by European history, I mean, more broadly, it's colonies as

00:14:36.940 well, such as America. But if there's one thing we are darn good at, it's building successful

00:14:42.120 intellectual movements, whether it's the Frankfurt School or whether it's libertarianism. On the other

00:14:47.400 hand, you know, there is, and this is something I will talk as, you know, I'm sure we're going to

00:14:51.820 talk plenty about the JQ here, but there is this tendency for Jews. The first reaction is to say,

00:14:58.180 yes, Jews are more involved in multiculturalism, in degeneracy, in all these things. But on the other 1.00

00:15:06.220 hand, we're also overwhelmingly overrepresented in things like literature, art, science, all the good

00:15:14.860 things. I say, yes, that is true. If you look at minorities throughout European history, Jews have

00:15:19.820 contributed in all of these fields also much more than you'd expect them to for their size. But on

00:15:25.860 the other hand, I'd say that simply saying people only notice the bad things and there's good things

00:15:30.500 too is also an oversimplification of the issue. Because you have, you know, Jews are raised with

00:15:35.940 a very strong sense of whether they're religious or not, in many cases, with this very strong sense

00:15:42.400 of, you know, moral righteousness. And I think that if it's based on traditional Jewish values,

00:15:46.360 that can be very healthy. Because traditional Jewish values are very conservative. But on the

00:15:51.740 other hand, when they become perverted, and they go into all these things like we're fighting for

00:15:58.120 diversity and equality, then it can become very dangerous. Because you have all these people saying

00:16:03.660 things like our sense of justice for all these minorities, for all the gay people, for all the

00:16:11.720 transgender people, that comes out of our Jewish values and Jewish. I'll give you a great example

00:16:16.280 of a particular Jewish value. There is something called tikkun olam. I'm sure you've seen that phrase

00:16:21.220 before. It literally means fixing the world. Now that has a very specific meaning. One of the

00:16:27.980 European Jewish sages was asked about this. I forgot which one it was exactly. But he was asked what it

00:16:34.860 meant to do tikkun olam. He says, you have to start with yourself because you can't just fix the world.

00:16:39.480 It's unrealistic. You start with yourself, you move on to your family, and you try to establish

00:16:44.000 stable and healthy communities. I said, that's how you're going to fix the world from a bottom-up

00:16:48.800 approach. But the tikkun olam of progressive secular Jews is exactly the opposite of that. 0.81

00:16:55.360 It's we're going to totally destroy the culture, like the Frankfurt School. And even though many of 1.00

00:17:01.060 these Jews don't identify directly with or even know the role of the Frankfurt School in history,

00:17:05.740 it's a very similar dynamic where we are going to advance all of these things in society. It's

00:17:11.820 tikkun olam. And I just sit here going like, oh, you can imagine how I feel. But it's a huge

00:17:18.980 problem. And I don't think it goes away just because we contribute a lot of good things to

00:17:23.900 society. Like mass immigration in the US, I don't know the history of mass immigration in Europe so

00:17:29.120 much. But in the US, I've studied extensively. The 1965 Act, while there were other interests,

00:17:34.540 like business interests, like Democrats who wanted votes, the push for it on the hand of

00:17:40.060 the ADL, of the AJC, of a lot of these Jewish organizations and senators in Congress, like

00:17:45.420 Javits and Seller, it would not have happened without them. I don't think you could have passed

00:17:51.980 the Hart-Seller Act, even if you just had business and Democrat interests, because you need that extra,

00:17:58.260 how did I put this, this agitation component from a social perspective, the groundwork that was laid

00:18:06.020 by Boasian anthropology and other intellectual movements. So yes, absolutely. Jews have a

00:18:12.980 disproportionate role of, let's say, pushing mass immigration. That's the biggest one I think 0.99

00:18:18.100 concerns you right now, but also other things like degeneracy. And let me say this. I remember a lot of

00:18:24.740 times, it's not exactly the same, but I saw this tweet recently, which I thought was very insightful.

00:18:29.380 And it said, it shouldn't matter to white people who just want stable and healthy communities, 0.94

00:18:36.340 why black people are committing disproportionate crime. It doesn't matter to them, even if it's true 1.00

00:18:41.620 that there's a history of oppression that causes these bad cultures. All they know is that their 0.99

00:18:47.220 neighborhoods are becoming trash and that their kids are going to have a less secure future. 0.98

00:18:51.540 And it's like, yeah, you can make a similar comparison about Jews, which is 0.99

00:18:56.980 some white guy living in the Midwest who's never met a Jew. All he's seen of Jews is on the radio and

00:19:03.540 TV, directly opposing his own interest. All he knows is that they're telling him that he has to accept

00:19:09.540 multiculturalism and immigrate. He's probably a racist for voting for Trump. And like, do you think that if 0.94

00:19:15.540 some minority, and we'll use Muslims as an example, if all you heard about them, you know, on radio,

00:19:20.660 as a Jew, I present this to Jews, is speaking against your interests, you probably feel not

00:19:26.180 very positively towards that group. And that is the dynamic that's going on here. Some, there is

00:19:31.780 overreach in antisemitism, but some of it is just a normal reaction that you expect from people being

00:19:38.420 exposed to negative activities and negative. Why do you think, I mean, so many Jews such as yourself 0.99

00:19:45.860 stay quiet on this issue. Other Jews that oppose mass immigration and multiculturalism, they see some 0.72

00:19:50.660 of these double standards. Why do they stay so quiet then? Why don't they back up Europeans and say, 1.00

00:19:55.700 yeah, we're with you. We understand your cause. Well, first of all, for me, I don't want to stay quiet.

00:20:01.540 I specifically want to start a publication. And I was planning to, let's say, talk about this a little

00:20:07.540 later. But I'll shill for this now. It's not up at the time. We have a few articles that are going to go up.

00:20:13.700 We're going to go with a website name. It's going to be called Jewish Alternative. And the Jewish

00:20:18.580 Alternative means both an alternative to the left-wing diaspora and an alternative to, let's say,

00:20:26.900 Jews who are also staunchly anti-Israel. I'll touch upon that later. That's a very big deal. But both 0.82

00:20:34.980 Jews who are, you know, against white interests in the West and Jews that oppose our own nationalist 0.54

00:20:39.940 interests in the Middle East. And I have a friend. I'm going to also shill for him here too. He's going

00:20:46.500 to be starting this publication with me. He's also contributing. His name on Twitter is

00:20:51.940 Ari Ben Canaan, at Ari A-R-I underscore B-E-N-C-A-N-A-A-N. We're going to be writing articles

00:21:02.420 together. So I don't plan to stay quiet. I do plan to stay anonymous for at least as long as I need to.

00:21:08.420 But I want to get as many Jews on board with this. I think it is time to speak out.

00:21:12.660 On the other hand, I think that, and this is what you'll find, a lot of Jews, when it comes to an issue

00:21:18.420 like Israel, where they perceive certain crimes being committed against the Middle East by Israel,

00:21:23.380 they will speak out. They see that as a serious injustice. And you have all these Jewish organizations. 0.99

00:21:28.500 But a lot of Jews, I think most of them are not even aware of the sort of double standard. And those

00:21:34.660 who are don't see it as a systemic thing. They just think like, oh, well, there are Jews who have double

00:21:39.540 standards. But they don't know it's perceived by the alt-right this way or that there's a growing

00:21:44.180 discontent with it in the West. And here's another dynamic I think a lot of people are not aware of.

00:21:50.100 Some of these organizations that people call the organized Jewish community are this conglomerate

00:21:55.460 that represent the interests of many communities. And these subset of communities, while many of

00:22:00.900 their members might be conservative, they use these organizations to lobby for legitimate interests

00:22:06.340 for them. And then these umbrella organizations end up lobbying for multiculturalism. And no one

00:22:13.300 agreed to that down the chain. That's also something I want to fix. But while we're on this topic,

00:22:18.180 I actually want to break down the demographics of Jews for you in America and show you the different

00:22:23.060 attitudes that they have and how they relate to each other and how they relate to the West,

00:22:26.340 because I think that's something that a lot of your viewers might appreciate.

00:22:30.100 Let's do it.

00:22:31.220 So you have, on one hand, Orthodox Jews. Now, Orthodox Jews alone are not even one unified group. One of the 0.64

00:22:38.420 things you'll find repeatedly is that Jews are actually, in terms of ideology,

00:22:42.500 they're the most diverse and fragmented group. There's this sort of assumption. Maybe it's not

00:22:47.380 an assumption. Maybe it's just an oversimplification of the way people have to talk about it on the

00:22:51.380 alt-right, because it's not practical to break it down every time. But there is this tendency to see

00:22:55.940 Jews as this very unified community or this unified people. I think nothing could be further from the

00:23:01.380 truth. I think that Jews are one of the most fragmented groups that there are. So Orthodox 1.00

00:23:08.340 Jews, they tend to have the same voting patterns in many ways as, you could say, white evangelicals.

00:23:13.940 They vote overwhelmingly Republican, they're traditional, and they're sort of implicit on

00:23:18.660 race in a way that white evangelicals might be, where they're not openly racist or red-pilled or

00:23:24.660 anything like that. But they do understand this influx of Islam is just a disaster. This is not 1.00

00:23:29.780 going to work. But they are a minority of Jews in the West overall. I think there's something,

00:23:34.180 I don't know the exact figure. I'm sure you can look up. There's numbers of this.

00:23:37.140 There may be 20% in the US, tops. I don't know. But it's definitely a small minority. Beyond that,

00:23:44.020 you have reform. Reform is a movement that was born in Germany in the 19th century,

00:23:49.300 or 18th century. I can't remember right now. But yeah, reform is also a very liberalized version

00:23:55.860 of Judaism that takes away many of its central precepts. And they are also very liberal. And

00:24:02.420 you have secular Jews who are also overwhelmingly liberal. And that's why you end up with voting

00:24:06.660 patterns, like 70 or 80% for Hillary Clinton in this last election. So first of all, I think the

00:24:14.260 the primary community that you can target are Orthodox, that I can target are Orthodox Jews,

00:24:20.260 because they're the ones who are the most germane to these ideas, because they're already traditional.

00:24:26.820 So it's a much smaller leap for them to make. On the other hand, I think that, for example,

00:24:32.740 my friend Ari that I told you about, it's his Twitter handle. He is secular, for example. We can make

00:24:39.700 outreach to those communities as well, and convince them that, you know, moving is a good thing. Moving

00:24:45.060 to Israel and embracing nationalism is a good thing. And also to be friendly to Western interests.

00:24:50.740 So it's not just something that I think is exclusive to the religious community. Then within Orthodoxy,

00:24:56.100 you have many different groups. You have the ultra-Orthodox, and even these are, you know,

00:25:01.940 fragmented. Like, we don't agree on anything, right? But within ultra, if you look at a map of New

00:25:08.340 York in voting in the 2016 election. So you'll see Staten Island is like this anomaly. It's all

00:25:13.060 red. It's not because it's Jewish or anything. It just happens to be a red part of New York.

00:25:17.300 But while on the island of Long Island, which includes Brooklyn, you'll see the small Jewish 1.00

00:25:22.980 enclaves. Like, these are the guys who wear the traditional garb that you'd see in alt-right memes

00:25:28.980 that caricature Jews. And the irony here is that these Jews are the ones who are the least likely to 0.65

00:25:35.780 actually advocate for mass immigration. Like, I can't think that.

00:25:38.580 I've heard that, yes.

00:25:39.700 Yeah. It's funny because the Jews who actually do these things are the ones who are probably not 1.00

00:25:44.660 religious or at least on the very leftist spectrum of Orthodoxy.

00:25:48.340 It's true, yeah.

00:25:49.300 Yeah. So you'll see these little red enclaves in like Borough Park and Crown Heights. 0.95

00:25:54.660 So that's very ironic to me. Also, you'll find that some of these, if you really start going into the

00:26:02.260 fringes, they actually become far left again, not on mass immigration, but on issues like Zionism,

00:26:08.100 like Satmer is a subsect of Hasidic Judaism. They are staunchly anti-Zionist. They're like,

00:26:13.700 this is why people hate us because of Zionism. And they're like, true Jews who are religious 0.95

00:26:18.660 oppose that kind of thing. And they're just supposed to be a loyal diaspora people.

00:26:23.140 But those, the politics that, you know, really religious Jews are concerned with,

00:26:28.260 for the, for like, again, vast majority part, are on the local level pertaining to their educational

00:26:34.980 interests, pertaining to their community interests. They don't really care. And they would never

00:26:39.300 spearhead degeneracy. And they don't really care about mass immigration either way. So the people who 0.89

00:26:45.380 really push for mass immigration, and I think I've discussed this with Reinhardt privately, you know,

00:26:50.100 you're, he works for you. This, I said, and we were, he sent me this movie called Defamation.

00:26:56.260 And this rabbi there was saying that fighting anti- I know it well. Yes. 0.67

00:26:58.980 Yeah. Yeah. And I don't even agree with everything in that movie, but I thought there were very

00:27:02.500 interesting things there. Like fighting anti-Semitism or doing things like diversity or promoting that 0.72

00:27:09.220 as a, as a part of Jewish identity, that is something that secular Jews sort of need for their Jewish

00:27:17.380 identity because they don't have a healthy relationship with Jewish identity as a sort of

00:27:22.500 positive thing of continuity and nationalism. For them, it's just, they're this historically

00:27:27.620 persecuted and oppressed people. So the core of their Jewish identity is fighting anti-Semitism.

00:27:32.660 That's become their religion.

00:27:34.100 Yeah, it has. And actually I, I was raised on this as well. I was not raised personally. I will say this

00:27:41.380 one thing that I'm very happy with my parents about. I wasn't raised with a persecution complex. My,

00:27:46.660 my, my dad told me a lot of these Jews and you can see the polling in the U S it's really tragic.

00:27:52.580 They like, what is being Jewish mean to you? It means remembering the Holocaust. Like you're going 0.99

00:27:56.980 to remember probably the lowest point of our history as the most important and central point. Like

00:28:02.980 that's ridiculous. And not just that also the history of, let's say, Tsarist oppression of Jews, 0.96

00:28:07.940 the Inquisition. Like you have to imagine if Europeans, like you as part of your identity, 0.98

00:28:13.780 all you looked at was the Muslim slave trade, the occupation of Spain, the conquest of Europe,

00:28:18.980 like that was what your identity was centered around.

00:28:21.060 Or me being Russian, the Bolshevik, you know, slaughter of Russians. My family was cut up in

00:28:26.100 that. Yeah.

00:28:27.460 And like, that's a terrible way to think of your identity, to ground your identity. And it just

00:28:32.580 leads to this endless victimhood complex, which is really not a good thing. And that's why a lot of

00:28:38.180 these Jews, in the same way, many of them sympathize with our own enemies of nationalism, 0.87

00:28:43.700 because they're just one more oppressed people. And you find it spilling over into that.

00:28:48.020 Yeah. I highly recommend for people to go watch the documentary called Defamation. In one portion

00:28:53.300 of the film, they follow a group of Israeli high school students on a class trip to Poland,

00:28:57.540 where they tour Auschwitz. And you realize the level of paranoia and fear they're taught to have about

00:29:02.900 Nazis from a young age. At one point, this nice old Polish man, he tries to have a friendly talk

00:29:08.020 with one of the Israeli girls and she freaks out thinking he's insulting Jews and is possibly a Nazi.

00:29:13.460 And later on, they hide in their hotel rooms because they think Nazis are out to get them.

00:29:17.140 So someone is teaching them this and it can't be healthy growing up thinking like this.

00:29:21.700 No, it can't. And also, I remember specifically relating to that scene because I had gone through,

00:29:27.060 not in terms of the resentment part of it, but the part where she says,

00:29:31.780 I don't feel anything like this happened so long ago and I'm supposed to be crying and I'm not

00:29:36.180 crying. I visited those sites in Europe as part of not only a school trip, but also on my own with

00:29:41.860 my family. And I remember not that I think that there isn't a value in knowing your own people's

00:29:47.860 history. Like you should, as a white person, I think it's important to know about the Bolshevik

00:29:53.060 revolution and about the conquest of Europe. But on the other hand, it's not, again, it's just not

00:29:59.060 healthy to focus on that or see it as a primary part of your identity or the main part of your

00:30:04.580 identity.

00:30:05.620 Now, we have to talk about your thoughts on Jews in European history, especially regarding

00:30:11.220 expulsion from so many places.

00:30:12.980 Yeah, so I think that this ties in very much to Zionism, because the Zionists noticed the cycle 0.92

00:30:21.460 that Jews, if you go to the Wikipedia, you'll see, you look up a history of Jews in Europe,

00:30:26.100 there's one picture there, which I think is very useful. It shows a visual diagram of all the expulsions

00:30:33.780 of Jews in history on the European continent. Yeah. And the Zionists noticed, like, you can blame whoever

00:30:41.140 you want. You can blame the Europeans, you can blame the Jews. I see people engaging in overreach

00:30:46.660 on every side. Like, it's all the Jews fault, everything that happened to them, they had it 1.00

00:30:51.220 coming. And then I see Jews who, like, they don't, they're not even willing to really look into the 1.00

00:30:55.540 history to see, like, maybe even if it went too far, people didn't resent you for no reason.

00:31:02.420 But the point, the Zionists were like, if, okay, it doesn't matter whose fault it is, this can't 0.98

00:31:07.940 continue. This cycle where we're living in another people's continent as a minority with a fundamentally

00:31:14.260 different identity, it's never going to end. It's just going to continue. And that's, Zionism, 0.97

00:31:20.900 again, is a reaction to diversity and proximity going together. They realized that that was a

00:31:26.340 recipe for disaster, particularly groups, I think, such as Europeans and Jews. I think 1.00

00:31:31.620 some groups can exist in some, like, there are varying degrees of how groups can coexist with

00:31:38.980 each other. I think Europeans and Jews, ironically, even though you can keep it stable for a large 1.00

00:31:45.060 part because they're high IQ groups, they're successful groups, but it almost never ends well.

00:31:51.700 The time of an exile in Europe, or part of the diaspora in Europe not ending with the expulsion,

00:31:57.700 or not ending with pogroms, or not ending with some sort of really bloody event is by far the

00:32:03.140 exception. Overwhelmingly, the history of Jews in Europe is an awful history, even despite our 1.00

00:32:08.260 accomplishments. And the Zionists said, no more. We are our own people. We need our own land. It was, 0.89

00:32:15.140 it was in many ways, an attempt to normalize Jews, to make them just another people with their own 0.72

00:32:20.420 country. You can find quotes by Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky is actually one of my favorite Zionists. 0.98

00:32:25.220 He said, like, look at these Polish people. They have a land that goes back. Think about the

00:32:30.500 attachment that they have to it. That must be something so beautiful. And I envy them immensely,

00:32:35.780 he said. And Jabotinsky also, you know, he made a statement in 1937, I think it was, where he said,

00:32:42.260 eliminate the diaspora before it eliminates you. I'll give you another quote. Ben Gurion, when he was

00:32:47.860 asked, he was the first prime minister of Israel, for those of you who don't know,

00:32:51.460 and one of the early Zionists, he said that if he had a choice between Jews in Germany leaving to

00:32:59.540 Britain and all of them surviving, or half of them coming to Israel and the other half dying, 0.78

00:33:06.500 he said that he'd prefer half of them coming to Israel and the other half perishing. Like, 0.94

00:33:10.260 this is how radically anti-diaspora they were. They're like, Jews need to get out of Europe. 0.69

00:33:16.340 No good can come of this in continuity. And you'll find this strange alliance throughout history

00:33:22.900 between Zionists and anti-Semites. And I think the comparison that came up recently that I learned

00:33:27.540 about, and I didn't even know about this, I was watching Richard Spencer's Texas A&M speech. One of

00:33:33.380 the questioners who was very much against Richard Spencer had Garvey on his shirt. And Garvey was working

00:33:39.860 at the time, he was dialoguing with Madison Grant, who was open about, you know, very racial immigration

00:33:45.380 policies. Garvey wanted to send to Africa, he was a black man who wanted his people to go back to their

00:33:50.580 home continent. So I don't, I don't always like the comparisons between us and blacks for a number of

00:33:56.500 reasons. Of course. But I, but just on the very basic level of Jews being a diaspora people that really

00:34:03.620 should live in their ancestral homeland. And of course, I know, I know this is one that

00:34:08.980 some Jews don't like to talk about, but also the, the transfer agreement. Hitler actually helped set 0.90

00:34:13.700 up the state of Israel. Yeah. Initially. And then that went wrong. That didn't exactly end up very

00:34:19.540 well. But on the other hand, uh, yes, initially the, the Germans did want to just transfer. There,

00:34:25.780 there were also many other problems there. Like it was, it was also, there was a blockade

00:34:29.540 on immigration. The Ottomans and the British during that century weren't big fans of continued

00:34:35.940 immigration because it inflamed Arab relations. Uh, and there, there is, during the 20th century,

00:34:41.620 there were a lot of hurdles to Jews coming to Israel, but that is no longer really the case. Now it's

00:34:47.940 encouraged. Now we have entire organizations that incentivize it with funding. Uh, so those conditions

00:34:54.820 no longer apply in 1967, for example, uh, not the war. I know the war happened in 67, but there was

00:35:01.780 this, uh, Polish, uh, incident of there were the, the politician there, his name was Vladislav

00:35:07.860 Gamulka and he, a bunch of Jews were expelled from Poland and they came to Israel and, uh, the Jews 0.99

00:35:14.420 there sort of, you know, welcomed them and like, yeah, this is come to, okay, you were expelled from

00:35:19.140 Europe, but this is your home. Like this is where you should live. So that, you know, I think that

00:35:24.500 a lot of people, uh, talk about like antisemitism because they think about Jews as having to be a

00:35:33.540 diaspora people continuously having to be a minority in another people's land. I say, why? Like we,

00:35:40.500 we've tried this many times in the U S we're still doing pretty well, but what makes you think, uh,

00:35:46.820 uh, that the cycle will never come back? Like it could, it could, I'm not, I don't think it will

00:35:50.820 happen soon, but, uh, you really should not be living in the, in the diaspora. You should be 1.00

00:35:55.940 living in your homeland. Now, what do you think also was difficult for European Jews? I mean,

00:36:01.780 they blended in with European society. So what was difficult for them in Europe? Well, I say,

00:36:06.820 I think that actually you end up, there was one, uh, Jew that was remarking in some article about

00:36:11.380 the history of antisemitism, where he talked about how before we, we use these

00:36:16.580 leftist paradigms for, you know, subjugation or oppression, where we think of people with the

00:36:22.180 most, uh, downtrodden social positions like blacks. Uh, and that's what we think of when 1.00

00:36:28.980 we think of oppressed minorities. But he said, Jews, before every time that they get expelled

00:36:34.580 or genocided or, or pogroms or anything like that, they're actually one of the most successful

00:36:39.700 and well-integrated minorities. So this is the great irony. I think that a lot of Jews,

00:36:44.900 you'll see this even very closely before the war, uh, they were making statements like, you know,

00:36:50.740 Berlin is the new Jerusalem and we have a great life here. And they were trying to, 0.59

00:36:54.980 many of them were just trying to assimilate and they thought they could be German, but they can't.

00:37:00.020 Jewish identity is one of the most, I think, powerful and internally enduring identities.

00:37:05.460 I would say even more so that like, you see this contributing to our ethnocentrism,

00:37:10.660 contributing to our like embattled, uh, minority status as Kevin McDonald likes to say.

00:37:16.740 I think that, uh, Europeans are able to lose their identity or lose their consciousness of 0.87

00:37:21.300 their identity much faster than Jews are. Unfortunately, yes. Yeah. I think for us, 1.00

00:37:27.060 that's something that's, that's there and it's much harder to extinguish.

00:37:31.380 And some of that is probably there because of, you know, expulsions and...

00:37:35.300 Yeah. I'd say that, um, and like antisemitism definitely contributes heavily to that sense of

00:37:41.140 Jewish identity. You'll even see people like Alan Dershowitz, like he, he, I think in a debate with

00:37:46.180 Mayor Kahane, which was something very interesting, if you'd like to watch between like a hardcore

00:37:50.980 right-wing nationalist Jew and between like a liberal sort of Zionist, uh, if you ever want to check that 0.53

00:37:56.660 out. But Dershowitz was quoting some, someone else, I forgot who he said, as long as there's antisemitism,

00:38:03.620 there will always be Jewish identity. So there's also like a trope that runs through religion.

00:38:09.620 It's like, even if you try to assimilate into European society, the, the non-Jews are not going 1.00

00:38:15.540 to let you, like, they're going to remind you that, that you're, that you're not one of them.

00:38:19.300 I mean, it's pretty clever to come up with a word to be able to protect your people from 0.90

00:38:23.460 any kind of criticism though. I wish Europeans had a word like that. You know, it's become so,

00:38:28.340 it's become so powerful. Right. I think TRS is, is starting with that kind of thing. I listen to

00:38:33.860 Fashion Nation. I listen to TRS, I listen to TRS radio. And, uh, they said that the word anti-white,

00:38:40.340 uh, might work for that, might work as a way to, because it puts a lot of leftists on the defensive.

00:38:46.180 So if that's a tactic that, that works for you, you know, enjoy it. But I also, I just think that

00:38:51.540 there is, there is definitely need for nuance when thinking of anti-Semitism. Uh, and it's not

00:38:57.300 useful to just think of, you know, they're going to, um, eternally resent us. Uh, and they're going,

00:39:04.340 like, you have to, you have to really look at it throughout history. And one of my, I want to

00:39:09.460 learn more about European history because I'm very involved in the current era and the most recent

00:39:14.100 century of, uh, Jewish history in European colonies. But I, who knows what happened,

00:39:19.620 you know, back in 1500s, 1600s, 1700s. I really want to learn more about, there's a lot that I

00:39:26.100 don't know and that I'd really like to explore. Now I have to ask, cause everyone was going to

00:39:29.620 want to know, what do you think about, you know, a lot of people, there's a lot of different

00:39:33.460 conspiracy theories flying around about Jewish elites. You know, you're familiar with the work of

00:39:38.180 David Duke. What do you think when you hear about some of those ideas?

00:39:41.460 So personally, I've, I've actually watched a lot of David Duke videos and I've also read,

00:39:48.420 I read Occidental Observer by Kevin MacDonald regularly. I've chatted with Kevin MacDonald.

00:39:53.300 I've corresponded with him. Uh, I've talked to him face to face actually for like a good half hour.

00:39:58.500 I find him to be, even though I disagree with him on some things like what he said about, uh,

00:40:04.100 Jews doing, engaging in eugenics. I think that's, there is some narrative overreach,

00:40:09.940 but on the other hand, I think Kevin MacDonald has made a very good attempt to be objective

00:40:15.700 despite everything. Even if I don't agree with his characterizations all the time,

00:40:20.020 like a Palestinian dispossession or other matters on Israel, he, his documentation in culture of

00:40:27.220 critique and other works is very good. I do find David Duke to be significantly less, um,

00:40:35.460 I don't want to, I don't want to impugn his personal motives. That's not what I'm trying to do here,

00:40:39.300 but I think he has a much less accurate picture overall of Jews and much of the rhetoric that he

00:40:45.620 engaged. For example, the whole Jewish supremacist and Talmudist meme that's sort of been propagated by

00:40:52.100 his wing of the alt-right. It, uh, it fundamentally neglects that the people who are pushing

00:40:56.900 multiculturalism, they are very often not Jewish supremacists. That's the greatest irony. Like,

00:41:03.220 you could call me, I think much more accurately, a Jewish supremacist as someone who thinks that

00:41:08.660 Jews should have their own exceptional nationalism and Jews should be dominant in their own, in their 1.00

00:41:13.060 own society. Uh, but someone who's left wing and living in America, you know, part of that attempt

00:41:18.980 is actually to be like all the other, to be, uh, non-exceptional, to be universalist, maybe not

00:41:24.740 towards whites, but towards other minority and to see their struggle as just one more in a number of

00:41:29.540 other struggles. So I think the Jewish supremacist memes is actually quite ineffective, uh, when you're

00:41:34.500 trying to engage with Jews at the very least, because they don't even understand like a liberal 1.00

00:41:38.180 Jew, you call them a Jewish supremacist. They don't even get it. And they're not Talmudist. They, 0.97

00:41:42.340 they're likely to see the Talmud as some cultural relic. Like even these pro-Israel liberal Jews, 0.96

00:41:48.740 in, in Congress, you could point to who are generically pro-Israel and even bordering on

00:41:54.260 neoconservatism, they are not Talmudists in any meaningful way. They see the Talmud as, you know,

00:41:59.940 some historical document that's only valuable as a study of history and Jewish culture, but doesn't

00:42:06.340 have any ultimate theological significance. So that's why, and also the concerted efforts to destroy

00:42:12.740 Europeans. There have been very specific instances where you can find, uh, like Marxist Jews openly 0.85

00:42:20.740 talking about, you know, what you would call a white genocide, which is we're going to encourage 1.00

00:42:25.220 mass immigration and mixing. But I think that overwhelmingly those attitudes are not seen as

00:42:31.220 consciously trying to destroy white society, even if that is their consequence. I think that the, 0.97

00:42:36.340 those, uh, mode, those specific and conscious motives are more isolated than, uh, Duke's rhetoric

00:42:42.660 makes them seem. Yeah. I'd be happy to. I was thinking in terms of, uh, certain Jews too,

00:42:47.380 such as, you know, Soros. I know he's an odd one. We could talk about him, but Barbara Spector,

00:42:51.700 Noel Ignatiev, Aneta Kahani. I know, you know, these, these individual Jews and they're really pushing 0.99

00:42:57.540 immigration European countries claiming we must be multiculturalism and Barbara multicultural in

00:43:03.060 Europe. And Barbara Spector actually said Jews were going to be at the center of that. So what

00:43:06.980 do you think of her? Well, if I'll go through a few of those figures, I watched the, the Barbara

00:43:12.100 Spector video and the first time I saw it, I was already red pilled and it, oh, I just had to take

00:43:17.300 a few deep breaths. Like when I think of America is its, is its own little situation, but Europe is a

00:43:23.860 much smaller continent. The invasion, the historical invasions of Europe are much more precedented and

00:43:29.860 consciously carried out today by Islam, for example. Europe is in a much more dire situation 1.00

00:43:35.700 than, than America, I think. And to see the, someone like Barbara Spector, again, she's a

00:43:41.060 conservative, by conservative, we mean the religious denomination, which is like the not orthodox,

00:43:45.300 it's the left of orthodoxy. She lives in Israel with the, this married to this rabbi who has this 0.87

00:43:51.140 synagogue in Sweden. And, uh, she is telling Europeans that they need to become more multicultural.

00:43:57.620 It, it's like, you expect people not to resent you, Barbara. Like, I can't, I can't help you. Like,

00:44:05.620 I'm sorry. Like you, you, you can say what you want, but you can't be surprised when people are going

00:44:13.700 to resent you for telling them that they should give up hegemony of their own lands, the way that any 0.99

00:44:18.260 other people are entitled to, that they have to destroy their own continent and what is their ancestral 0.97

00:44:23.540 homeland. It's insane. It really is. And Barbara Spector really should be ashamed of herself for

00:44:29.060 pushing multiculturalism in Europe. Uh, on the other hand, you have someone like George Soros,

00:44:34.020 like Barbara Spector, she'd push multiculturalism in Europe, but she wouldn't push multiculturalism

00:44:38.740 in Israel. And what do other Jews think about her? I mean, when she's sitting there trying to speak 0.95

00:44:42.900 for all Jews, what would you say if they watched that clip? Oh, so, uh, I should introduce that by

00:44:50.020 saying one of the biggest tropes by leftist Jews is they say Orthodox Jews and religious Jews have

00:44:55.300 hijacked our megaphone as part of the organized Jewish community and they don't represent us. 0.99

00:45:00.260 But meanwhile, they have these organizations where they speak for all Jews as if they represent,

00:45:05.860 you know, the Jewish community and they do the, that exact thing in hindsight. Um, 1.00

00:45:11.060 so I haven't talked to many liberal Jews by Barbara Spector and the ones that I have actually

00:45:15.620 have never heard of her because they're not really involved in this whole episode or particular

00:45:20.660 junction of, you know, European immigration and Jewish influence in that regard. Uh,

00:45:24.980 but the, the right wing Jews that I talked to, I think you already know what reaction they would have.

00:45:30.260 Um, so yeah, I can't imagine that the attitudes towards her, if, if you explain to a lot of these

00:45:36.660 people, you know, what exactly your, a lot of it is denial. They don't, and just lack of consciousness

00:45:42.580 about what is going on in the European continent that I see in many whites. I've tried to red pill 1.00

00:45:47.460 many continental Europeans and I've had some success, but a lot of them are in full blown

00:45:52.020 denial. And I think that some of it is just that sort of refusal to even acknowledge what is going

00:45:57.700 on in reality with the invasion of Europe. And that's exactly, it's an invasion. It's not a,

00:46:02.420 you know, like we're trying to all live in harmony. It's they want a piece of your land and

00:46:07.220 your civilization and your resources.

00:46:08.740 And do you think possibly that there are some Jewish elites who are thinking tribally,

00:46:13.220 who are constantly worried about fascism rising again, right? We've got to stop fascism. And so

00:46:17.620 what's one way to try and stop what they think is fascism is flood the continent.

00:46:23.140 So you've seen this ironically in the, I remember reading an article that was shared on Twitter

00:46:29.540 about the attitudes of French Jews regarding multiculturalism in Europe. And a lot of the,

00:46:34.660 I think ordinary Jews are more worried about Islam than fascism. Whereas a lot of these like elite 0.97

00:46:40.740 advocacy organizations are more worried about fascism. There's this trope, and I see this quite a bit on

00:46:46.500 the alt-right, that Islamic immigration doesn't affect Jews in Europe. And it specifically affects

00:46:54.020 only, you know, whites because Jews live in more elite neighborhoods. I think that you'll find 0.94

00:46:59.460 actually a similar divide between Jewish elites in Europe and Jewish ordinary people. Jews have been

00:47:04.900 fleeing France systematically after their neighborhoods and had violent protests by Muslims.

00:47:11.300 It's not these Nazi French people who are driving them out. It's Muslims who have come into Europe who 0.99

00:47:16.740 hate Jews. And I think a lot of the Jewish elites who are pushing for multiculturalism don't even 0.97

00:47:23.460 understand the struggles of their own people in that same way. So yeah, that divide is a big problem.

00:47:29.460 I'll get to the dynamics of that in Israel. But yeah, I reject the concept that Jewish elites in 0.98

00:47:34.740 Europe are actually looking out very often for the best interests of Jews in Europe. Because there's 0.82

00:47:39.140 nothing they can do, you know, to make their lives worse than importing Muslims. They might have their own, 1.00

00:47:44.260 you know, vendettas, they might have their own interests. I don't network with them,

00:47:48.260 I don't know them, I don't read their mind. But they are, they shouldn't be representing us. And I

00:47:54.500 think that that's a big problem. Yeah. And then of course, you know, a lot of people in the old 0.99

00:47:58.020 rights say, yeah, you're being picked on in France, but at least you can go around to Israel, right? 0.75

00:48:01.860 Where can the French people go nowadays? That's absolutely true. At least, you know, 1.00

00:48:07.300 with the Muslim invasion of Europe, yeah, Jews have somewhere to go. Europeans have nowhere to go. I mean, 1.00

00:48:12.580 unless you're talking about another European colony, but those are all being invaded right now. So,

00:48:17.140 it's not like they can endlessly cease land to the third world hordes. So this, for Europeans,

00:48:23.300 I think it's an existential threat. And I want to reverse that just as much as you do. I want Europe 0.88

00:48:31.460 to stay white. I'll say it in very plain terms. I want America to stay white and Australia and Canada. 0.97

00:48:38.340 So we will, I think, collaborate or at least go for the same interests when it comes to European

00:48:46.100 immigration. And even this is something that I think even the alt-right is not openly willing to

00:48:51.060 talk about. I think you should push for it more. I think it would be a good idea. Openly talk about

00:48:55.780 deporting legal citizens who are causing huge problems. Like if you have an entire community

00:49:01.140 of Somalis or Africans or whoever, whoever it is in Europe, like these Muslims who are occupying London 1.00

00:49:06.500 or suburbs around it, you should openly talk about deporting them as enemy combatants who are 0.99

00:49:12.260 destroying your civilization. Oh yeah, we do. We, we talk about that. Great.

00:49:17.220 Now, what about Soros? He's, he's very weird. You know, what do you think about him? People say he's

00:49:22.900 anti-Israel. I mean, where does he align with everything here? There's so many conspiracy theories

00:49:27.620 surrounding him. So Soros is actually quite anti-Israel. He funds this or donates heavily to the

00:49:34.740 new Israel fund, which contrary to what it might sound like, you can't pass something like the 65 law

00:49:40.260 in Israel. It just can't happen with the current attitudes in the country. But you can push for,

00:49:45.540 you know, Palestinians across the green line to get citizenship. You can push for refugees from 1.00

00:49:50.740 Africa to come into Israel. You can push for ceding more and more land, which is a much more central 0.94

00:49:55.540 part of that conflict than it is, let's say for, for you in Europe. But he does things to undermine

00:50:01.220 Israel. He wants economic sanctions. He is trying to destroy our society just as much as he's trying to 1.00

00:50:07.140 destroy yours. But I think he's much more successful in destroying yours because you

00:50:11.300 don't have that, the inoculation of your mind. You're still going through that pathological

00:50:18.740 altruism phase. You're like, yeah, let's give away all of our lands to other people. So he's,

00:50:23.380 yeah, his activities are more effective in Europe, certainly. But I see him as just as much of an enemy,

00:50:29.460 even when it comes to our own nationalism, as you do.

00:50:32.500 Now, do you have Jews that are also pushing for open borders for Israel, that they're very 0.98

00:50:36.820 anti-nationalist, a lot of leftist Americans? So what is that relationship between the leftist

00:50:41.700 Jew and the rightist Jew in Israel? 0.67

00:50:45.540 So the rightist Jews look at, first of all, I actually think that we really need to explain, 0.71

00:50:52.420 I'm not going to go through the entire history, but the Israeli conflict has its own dynamics that

00:50:56.980 are very different than mass immigration to Europe for a number of reasons. First of all,

00:51:01.940 like I said before, land is a much bigger part of this conflict. And also, since in Europe,

00:51:08.820 they are not, the minorities are, but the Europeans aren't, talking about it openly in terms of

00:51:13.380 ethnic conflict. They will talk about colonizing Europe and Sharia for Belgium. And this is the 0.96

00:51:18.260 third invasion of Europe, as Sheikh Khaled Mohammed says, their women are fertile and their birth rates 0.90

00:51:24.100 are low. This is our chance. They talk in those terms. The Europeans are like, no, that's not 0.93

00:51:29.540 happening. We just have to be nicer to them. But in Israel, they at least understand that there's a

00:51:36.420 conflict for land, for resources between two peoples. Even the leftist Jews understand it in

00:51:42.660 those terms. So you have the central strip of Israel, which is the eastern coastal plainland that

00:51:49.140 includes Haifa, Tel Aviv. It goes south until Ashdod and Ashkelon. And then you have Gaza just south of 0.65

00:51:56.820 that. And that's the primary concentration of Jewish population in Israel. About 70% of the Jewish

00:52:02.740 population on our side of the Green Line exists within there. And then you have, you know, the West

00:52:08.980 Bank and you have Gaza. And those territories have, I think, like four million Palestinians

00:52:15.460 between the two of them. I don't know the exact figures off the top of my head. But those people,

00:52:21.780 they want, the term that it's talked in, there's this two-state solution where they talk about,

00:52:27.540 you know, we want our state and you get your state. And the thing that's completely neglected from

00:52:33.380 that conversation is a few things. First of all, their activists openly talk about how they don't

00:52:39.540 want just the West Bank and Gaza. They want the entire land. And they see that as a stepping stone, 0.95

00:52:44.500 even when previous leftist prime ministers of Israel have offered them the West Bank in a deal.

00:52:50.340 The amount of Jews who are still in the West Bank or the settlement blocks were still

00:52:54.820 big enough of a problem because they have that mentality where they want it all. And I think you'll

00:52:59.780 you'll see that for Muslims on your continents as well. It's different because we are right in the

00:53:04.420 middle of their, you know, Dar al-Islam. If you look at the Dar al-Islam, which is how Muslims refer

00:53:08.820 to their region of conquest in the world, you have, you know, North Africa, you have the Maghreb, 0.98

00:53:14.340 which was colonized by Arabs and imperialized by Arabs and many genocides that went on there. 0.93

00:53:20.420 You know, they blame America. Like, you can't, you have to accept immigrants because 1.00

00:53:24.180 you imperialized and genocided all this. Like, meanwhile, you look all over Eurasia and like,

00:53:28.260 look at what the Muslims did and no one asked them to take in immigrants. But yeah, they see Israel 0.98

00:53:33.940 as a little cutting line between one side of the Dar al-Islam, the Maghreb, and then, you know,

00:53:39.700 the Arabian Peninsula and everything to the east of that. And that bothers them very much that there's

00:53:44.740 a small Jewish enclave. And when you view it from that larger context, it's the Palestinians are just 1.00

00:53:51.300 the tip of the sword of Mohammed encroaching into the little Jewish enclave that they have a problem 0.99

00:53:56.420 with. But they are very triumphalist when it comes to land. And I think you'll see this

00:54:01.060 once their numbers increase in a country like Britain. They're already colonizing, you know,

00:54:05.780 the southern part of that island, which is London and Luton and the parts around there.

00:54:12.740 You're going to see them, you know, start to demand their own state or succeed because that's

00:54:16.340 what they did in Pakistan. And this is how they slowly take over societies. Very often, 1.00

00:54:21.620 it's by birth rates and just utilizing your own socialism against you. It's not even,

00:54:27.620 they don't even have to directly, you know, openly declare war.

00:54:30.580 Which is so weird that a lot of leftist Jews in Europe just seem to like Islam. They just seem to 1.00

00:54:37.780 be okay with all these people flooding in.

00:54:39.700 It's no, it's insane. It's insanity. It's really, I don't even know what to say. Like,

00:54:44.420 it makes me so frustrated that Jews, recently they had, they were opening this whole thing with Islam, 1.00

00:54:50.580 you know, in their own, some joint alliance between Muslims and Jews, because they're both

00:54:55.620 scared of Trump in America.

00:54:57.140 Yeah, I saw that.

00:54:58.020 Oh, yeah.

00:55:02.580 Then, yeah, there's also I think this big fallacy where people say, you know, we're more related to

00:55:08.260 Arabs and Muslims. And our civilizations and religions are closer to them in some aspects.

00:55:13.860 Yes, on one hand, that is true. We're Semites like them. But the sort of enmity today that 0.85

00:55:19.780 Muslims have for Jews, I think is much more severe than anything that Europeans today have for Jews. 0.96

00:55:25.620 And they haven't really grasped that transition yet. They still see, you know, the old European 1.00

00:55:30.900 persecution as their primary enemy. And they haven't moved past that phase. This is what you see with,

00:55:36.660 you know, the immigration attitudes, if you talk to ordinary Jews who haven't thought about these

00:55:39.860 things too much, if you talk to them about, you know, opening borders, I'll give you,

00:55:43.780 I'll recount a little episode that happened to me, which is very characteristic of this.

00:55:47.940 In one of my classes, I mentioned to the professor that I'm voting for Trump.

00:55:52.820 And this Jew in my class is not religious. He said, hold on, hold on. How can you be, 0.99

00:55:57.860 you know, against taking in refugees? When we needed borders back at the time, 1.00

00:56:03.860 when we needed more open and loose immigration laws, because we were fleeing persecution in Europe.

00:56:09.860 And even at the time, Zionists like Weitzman said, there are only two places, 0.85

00:56:13.300 two kinds of places in the world. There are places where Jews aren't allowed to be,

00:56:17.540 and there are places where Jews aren't allowed to enter. But that situation, that paradigm no longer

00:56:23.940 exists. And like, yeah, and they're still stuck in that mindset of we need more open borders.

00:56:29.940 Like at this point, you're not helping yourselves, you're helping Islam, and you're helping people

00:56:33.620 who want to colonize the West, because the Muslims are never going to open their borders. So essentially, 1.00

00:56:38.100 you're just having the Europeans and the Americans open their borders to these hostile civilizations. 0.87

00:56:43.220 I mean, Jesus, aren't they really the richest ethnic group there is on the planet right now? So

00:56:48.900 hardly persecuted, right? They're doing pretty well.

00:56:51.380 On one hand, I think that they don't see that as tying in to, you know, whether they're persecuted

00:57:00.900 or not. Again, because that never saved them in the past. So they don't see that their success

00:57:07.780 as being correlated to, you know, a wall against oppression. They see it, if anything,

00:57:12.420 that's like a further thing to be a victim about, because people resent you for your success. You know,

00:57:17.140 I've seen this phrase that went on, there's like, anti-Semitism is just jealousy. Like,

00:57:22.500 people are jealous that we're successful. And like, there's an element, but there's a lot,

00:57:30.740 there's a lot more to it than just that. And you really have to look at the broader picture.

00:57:34.580 I'd say also, you know, when it comes to Islam, I don't think that, you know, ordinary Jews really,

00:57:42.500 I'm not sure how to say this. I think a lot of them understand they might not be safer,

00:57:49.460 you know, with Islam, but it's like the same sort of thought process that a lot of these liberal

00:57:53.940 whites have, where on some level, they might realize this is probably not a good idea, but

00:57:57.940 it would be unfair to kick these people out or to not let them in because they're fleeing

00:58:02.220 persecution. So a lot of it is like this, I don't use the word mind control, like, you know,

00:58:07.140 they're putting chemicals in our water. Mind control in terms of the memes that you see repeated over

00:58:11.340 and over in media that reinforce your, and shape your, your concepts of society.

00:58:17.420 You know, it's, it's, it's a soft brainwashing that happens based on what people just are exposed

00:58:23.260 to in media and they become the dominant narratives. Don't forget, like in the, in the 19th century,

00:58:28.860 you would never find Jews who, I mean, you probably would find like a fringe of Marxists that,

00:58:34.540 that were thinking about this at the time, but the concept that mass immigration would destroy

00:58:40.460 host Gentile societies. It was a given just like it was for Gentiles. Like Jewish attitudes, 1.00

00:58:46.140 I think are ahead. I use ahead in quotes of this than, than Gentile attitudes. But in a time where 0.99

00:58:53.740 no Gentiles were even thinking about mass immigration as something realistic, neither were Jews. Don't 1.00

00:58:59.260 forget, Jews were part of the Confederacy. You had Jews like Benjamin Disraeli, who was a,

00:59:04.540 um, a British politician. And he, he actually has a quote where I think it's a quote that goes

00:59:10.220 abandoned a lot of the time where he was talking about white genocide. He didn't say white genocide,

00:59:15.420 but he did, he was talking about how, imagine if we just started importing, importing Africans into,

00:59:21.180 into the, into England. It's like that would destroy our civilization here. So yeah, Jews were, 1.00

00:59:26.700 were red pilled on race. They shared mainstream European attitudes on race,

00:59:31.180 even if it didn't necessarily help them. So I think that this is, this isn't something that is

00:59:37.260 fixable because a lot of it is just being marinated in host society, which is already friendly to that

00:59:43.340 meme. And if on top of being, uh, exposed to that, you also don't have that natural, uh, defensive

00:59:50.860 conservatism, which is innate to people because you're not part of the people. So that also contributes

00:59:55.740 to another thing is that Jews are overwhelmingly not doing things like manual labor, like farming

01:00:02.300 in Western societies. So that attachment to the land and that investment in it, that makes people

01:00:07.420 conservative that you don't get from a desk job or from being a journalist, uh, where you're, you know,

01:00:13.020 sheltered from the sort of raw world that also contributes to Jews being overwhelmingly cosmopolitan 0.76

01:00:19.020 and more liberal, which is why you'll see like, uh, you know, the Eastern coastal Jews who are

01:00:25.100 doing things, um, they're, they're working, you know, comfort, comfortable desk jobs. They're not

01:00:30.380 milking cows out in the Midwest. That's also a big reason that, uh, Jews are, are overwhelmingly more 1.00

01:00:36.780 liberal. Now I want to talk about Israel. It's an ethnostate. So what can you tell us about Israel's 0.79

01:00:42.300 right-wing nationalism? Give us a kind of internal look inside. And secondly, I want to know if there's a

01:00:47.340 faction of rightists in Israel that are against us intervention and aid. Yeah. So a few things,

01:00:55.580 first of all, I'd like to give you an overview of Israeli politics, because I think it could be

01:00:59.660 something very interesting to people who want to see what politics in an actual ethnostate is like.

01:01:05.820 Uh, so you have, and I'm going to just pull up actually the parliamentary seat. Yeah. So there's

01:01:10.300 120 seats in the Israeli parliament. It is based on a, uh, European system. So we've imported,

01:01:19.420 I'll talk later about how we've imported a lot of culture of the West into Israel. And that's not 0.98

01:01:24.700 always a good thing. We'll, we'll talk about that soon. Um, and you have parties like Likud, which is

01:01:31.980 right now the biggest party. It has 30 seats and it forms the backbone of the current coalition,

01:01:37.020 which is a right-wing coalition. And then you have further to the right on national issues than

01:01:42.540 Likud, you have Jewish home or Baik Yehudi in Hebrew. And believe it or not, those two parties,

01:01:48.300 which are the two nationalist parties in Israel, actually only have 38 seats collectively between

01:01:54.220 the two of them. Uh, the reason the coalition works is for, because you have the ultra-Orthodox 1.00

01:01:59.980 religious parties. Now the, the attitudes of ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel is very interesting.

01:02:04.140 On one hand, you have religious Jews who are very devoted to the settlement movement. They're

01:02:08.620 right-wing nationalists. On the other hand, you have people who many of them really couldn't care

01:02:14.140 less if it was the British or the Arabs or the Jews that controlled Israel, as long as they continue 1.00

01:02:19.820 their religious lifestyle in peace. And they vote for parties that specifically represent their interests.

01:02:27.580 Those parties are willing to form coalitions with any party that will give them whatever they want.

01:02:33.260 And for a long time, they formed coalitions with the leftist parties. In fact, Israel actually,

01:02:37.900 for the beginning of its existence, was run by socialists. It was founded by anti-religious

01:02:44.620 Marxists. And they were fighters, you know, they were strong nationalists. But on the other hand,

01:02:50.700 they were, they wanted these small systems. Many of them lived in Kibbutzim, which are actually 0.90

01:02:56.940 mini communes that were based on very Marxist ideas of how to build your societies.

01:03:01.660 And over time, the Jews in Israel have been moving further and further to the right. There's two 0.99

01:03:10.940 reasons for that. One of them is that being exposed directly to a conflict, I think like you saw this

01:03:16.220 with Brexit, people who lived in parts that had the most diversity voted for Brexit much more than like

01:03:24.460 these all white areas that never exposed to diversity, and don't understand the dangers of 0.89

01:03:29.020 it. Well, in a country like the UK, there's enough room to separate you between like the heavily Muslim 1.00

01:03:37.420 areas if you don't live there. But in a country like Israel, which is smaller, it's like the size 0.96

01:03:41.820 of New Jersey, it's a little smaller than New Jersey. No matter where you live, you are exposed to the

01:03:46.700 conflict or at least the diversity in one way or another, for the most part. So it's not really

01:03:52.780 easy to escape that in the same way that it is in a larger European country where those things are

01:03:57.660 segregated or somewhat restrained to certain areas. So that pulls people to the right automatically.

01:04:04.540 But then you also have the birth rates in Israel totally favor the right wing, because the religious

01:04:10.300 people are having many children, the ultra Orthodox people are having, they have the highest birth rates

01:04:15.900 actually, and they don't even vote for nationalist parties. And the leftist Jews who live in Tel Aviv,

01:04:20.940 Tel Aviv is like the hotbed of secular liberalism in Israel. It's known for that.

01:04:26.220 Isn't it also the gay friendly city in Israel?

01:04:29.260 Yes, it was rated something by some gay organization like the friendliest city for LGBT tourism,

01:04:37.100 not only in Israel, I think in the world actually. So yeah, that's, that is what they think of when

01:04:42.140 you think of like the really leftist cosmopolitan area of Israel.

01:04:47.420 I've been to Tel Aviv. I've seen it.

01:04:49.820 Oh, you have? Okay, great. Yeah, it's very, you know, like very, it's like New York, but more degenerate.

01:04:58.940 You actually have other parts of Tel Aviv, and I'll talk about this part later. So for now,

01:05:03.900 I just want to go back to the other parties in Israel. So these two parties, Jewish Home and Likud,

01:05:11.420 lead the coalition, but Likud with being the primary leader. And then the religious parties

01:05:16.700 who don't really influence, they will, they'll just vote with a coalition if the coalition gives them

01:05:21.420 what they want. And then you have the Achilles heel of the current right wing coalition. It's a party called Kulanu.

01:05:27.020 It's purely, in terms of their platform, it's purely an economic party to help disenfranchised

01:05:33.100 people in Israel. And they sort of went along with Likud, but they also obstruct a lot of the

01:05:37.500 reforms that Likud wants to institute. One of the biggest problems in Israel right now is that you

01:05:43.980 have a conflict between the ruling government coalition and the courts. The courts in their current

01:05:50.060 form were very heavily influenced by one of these judges named Aron Barak. And he really made sure

01:05:58.620 that the judicial tradition in Israel heavily favors the Arabs against the Jews. At least from my

01:06:06.140 perspective, I'm sure you'll find leftist Jews, oh, you don't respect democracy or separation of

01:06:10.460 powers. I'm sure you know how that argument would go. But they recently, for example, there was a whole,

01:06:16.220 not scandal, but there was a whole thing where they wanted to, they still want to, and it's still

01:06:20.940 going to happen. They want to uproot one of the settlements called Amona. And there's so much

01:06:26.780 opposition to that among the grassroots right wing, but the court ruled it and the government

01:06:30.860 can't even stop it from happening. So there's this judicial tyranny specifically regarding settlements

01:06:37.020 and other issues. Now, this is one place where the religious parties and the ultra-nationalist

01:06:41.580 parties align because the religious parties also hate the courts for a slightly different reason,

01:06:46.780 because they also impose on, let's say, what leftists in Israel would call theocracy.

01:06:52.780 But the courts are one of the biggest problems. The justice minister, Ayelet Shaked, who's part of 0.99

01:06:58.700 the Jewish Home Party, she wants to institute reforms to weaken the courts or even make it possible 0.58

01:07:04.620 for the legislature to appoint judges themselves to the court, the way they do it in America,

01:07:10.780 like where the president can appoint new justices. In Israel, the system is, the court itself has a

01:07:18.780 much more say in the continued appointment of justices. So the ideology of the court just perpetuates

01:07:25.100 the ideology of the court as it is. And that's one of the reasons the court remains leftist.

01:07:29.820 Even though under the current tutelage of Ayelet Shaked, it has been slightly moving to the right.

01:07:34.940 But Kulanu is the Achilles heel of the coalition, and they are obstructing efforts by Shaked to 1.00

01:07:40.060 finally bring the courts in line with the more right-wing views of Israeli citizenship.

01:07:45.580 Then you have the opposition. Now, of course, you have your Arab party. 1.00

01:07:50.780 Arabs in Israel can vote if they're beyond the green line, which means outside of the West Bank or

01:07:54.940 Gaza. 20% of Israel is actually Arab. A lot of people don't know this, but it's not like we are 0.99

01:08:02.780 a 95% ethno-state. We're just less than 80%. So even though we do have an immigration policy that

01:08:10.860 favors Jews, but Israel still has a lot of non-Jews. They have about 15 seats in the Knesset.

01:08:17.260 They were originally four separate parties. One of them was a communist party for Arabs,

01:08:21.660 the other ones. They had more nationalist Arab parties, but they've come together because it's

01:08:26.060 more advantageous in a coalition system. That's the joint-list party. And then you have the most

01:08:31.740 left-wing Jewish party called Meretz. Their leader is Zahava Galon. I don't think I have to tell you

01:08:38.700 what kind of policies they advocate for. They want refugees. They want to give Arabs more benefits.

01:08:43.580 They want increased what they call civil rights for LGBT. Then you have the party that used to be

01:08:51.500 Labor, but Labor and Nua merged, and they formed the Zionist Union, which is anything but Zionist.

01:08:57.100 It's anything nationalist, really. And it's a little more reasonable or sane, not insane leftism

01:09:03.980 like Meretz, but it's still, for my taste, far too leftist. Yesh Atid is a more pragmatist

01:09:10.300 center-left party, much smaller though. The Zionist Union is the biggest chunk of the opposition and

01:09:17.740 represents the party that people would have in power if the left managed to take hold. But right

01:09:23.500 now, nothing is moving to the left in Israel. Israel is only moving to the right because of

01:09:27.820 birth rates, immigration, and other things. And I think those are all the parties. There are two

01:09:35.020 religious parties. You actually see this divide between the Mizrahi, which is the darker-skinned

01:09:40.060 Jews that come from the Middle East and from North Africa. And then you have Ashkenazi Jews 0.93

01:09:46.540 who are the European light-skinned Jews. There are actually issues of racism within Israel. They used

01:09:52.540 to be a lot worse, where some of the Mizrahi were said that they were second-class citizens,

01:09:57.900 and there were tensions there. But overall, I think Jews have a cohesive identity, even despite

01:10:03.100 the differences between the different groups. There are other categories, like there's the Ethiopian

01:10:07.740 Jews. You have the Sephardi Jews who come from Spain, who are different than the German or Eastern 1.00

01:10:13.740 European Jews who formed the backbone of Ashkenazi Jewry. So you'll see this within the religious

01:10:20.060 party, there's a divide between Shas and UTJ. One of them is for Mizrahim and Sephardim,

01:10:26.220 the other one is for Ashkenazi. So that's another demographic divide within Jews that I didn't

01:10:31.500 really talk about.

01:10:32.380 Do they marry within each other's groups? Would Ashkenazi Jew marry an African Jew?

01:10:37.900 So they can, but just realistically, they don't most of the time. I'm actually the product of a

01:10:45.100 mixed marriage. My father, his parents were from, I don't want to give too much information,

01:10:52.700 but from Europe, from Eastern Europe, and my mother from even further east than the Middle East.

01:11:00.060 So I'm a mix between Mizrahi and Ashkenazi. I'm half-half, personally, although I kind of look white.

01:11:07.180 Yeah, you do.

01:11:12.540 Sorry, I ruined your flow there. Go on.

01:11:14.460 Yeah, there's still some tensions, but they've largely gone away. Begin was the first politician,

01:11:19.820 you know, as part of the Likud, who really said, you know, we have to increase Mizrahi participation

01:11:25.100 in our society and really integrate them better. Because there were still cultural divides,

01:11:29.020 you can imagine, between people who were living in Europe for many centuries and people who were

01:11:33.260 living in the Middle East for many centuries. There are things that needed to be reconciled.

01:11:38.620 But I mean, at this point now, there's a lot of intermarriage between those groups. And I have

01:11:42.620 no problem with it. I think it's totally fine that Jews mix between their own groups. And we also

01:11:49.340 believe in conversion, which is a little different for us. So you could have an Asian or a Latin person

01:11:57.660 come into our in-group identity through conversion. So we have that.

01:12:02.460 Yeah. Is there a faction of rightists in Israel that are against U.S. intervention? You know,

01:12:06.940 the U.S. sends a lot of aid over to Israel. That's another complaint on the alt-right. Also,

01:12:12.060 we talk about, you know, the power of AIPAC. What do you think about the power of AIPAC and all the

01:12:17.260 aid coming over to Israel from the U.S.?

01:12:20.460 So a few things. First of all, if you look at these settler youth in the West Bank, who aggressively 0.98

01:12:26.380 want to build more settlements in the West Bank, really want to, you know, get as many Jews living 0.96

01:12:32.300 there as possible, to them, they see America as the biggest enemy in that regard. Because all they

01:12:38.300 hear all the time is, no, you can't do this because America is putting diplomatic pressure on us. So

01:12:44.460 they really want to detach from the U.S. as much as possible. They don't want continued aid. Because

01:12:49.900 Kerry recently said, for example, we give Israel so much aid, and they're not following through with

01:12:54.380 the things that we want them to do, with the diplomatic pressure that we're placing on them

01:12:58.060 to disband and not build settlements. And they're like, well, screw you, Kerry. We don't want to deal 0.97

01:13:02.620 with your pressures on us. We don't want aid. To give you an idea, the Israeli military budget is

01:13:08.140 $15 billion a year. And the aid is about, that's just the military budget. Forget about everything

01:13:13.740 else that you need to run a country. So it's, we could easily survive without aid. And if it's going

01:13:19.580 to be, if there are going to be strings attached to it, I don't want aid. Because it's just something

01:13:25.020 that keeps us from pursuing the policies that we want to pursue. One of the things I like about the

01:13:30.940 alt-right is they really, Richard Spencer has made many oaths to this, where it's like, he wrote a whole

01:13:36.220 piece. It's called, can there be an, I forgot the exact name, but it's, can there be an alliance between

01:13:40.780 Jews and the alt-right? And he said, right now, the American right is very interventionist. But eventually,

01:13:45.580 it's going to get to a point where they might prefer just a hands-off approach. And I already

01:13:50.220 want that. And there are many factions in Israel that are saying that. Now, it's not a politically

01:13:55.100 popular position to say, you know, in parliament, because it doesn't, it loses you more points than

01:14:00.940 it scores you. And people have tried it. But there are politicians like Moshe Feiglin in Likud,

01:14:05.660 who said, he openly is against aid. He says, why are we taking aids when our economy is stronger than

01:14:11.900 Americans? Why are we taking aid when it keeps, it tells the, it makes the Americans think that

01:14:16.380 they're entitled to our internal policy? Even Netanyahu is the current prime minister.

01:14:22.540 In the nineties, he was against aid, but I guess he's changed his tune on that because maybe it's

01:14:26.380 more convenient for him. The other, I want to talk about the relationship between Israel and America,

01:14:31.900 because I think there are both a lot of misconceptions here and a lot of valid grievances.

01:14:37.820 I'd say like this, I'm against aid. I'd actually like to see the relationship between America and

01:14:42.220 Israel diminish significantly. Because right now, I want to do whatever I want to do in the region. 0.99

01:14:48.300 Our only serious threat, I'd say, and I think we can manage it, is Iran. And you know, 1.00

01:14:53.900 the pressure we've lobbied on America to deal with Iran has totally gone by the wayside. Like America 0.75

01:14:59.500 didn't do, if that's what we were looking to get out of them, you know, on that front. Of course,

01:15:03.740 the war in Iraq, other things. Yes. Right now, all America seems to be doing for us.

01:15:10.140 I don't mean this to be ungrateful. I know it sounds like I'm bashing America. America has done

01:15:13.580 a lot for us. And I'm grateful for a lot of the help they've given us in previous wars. And that aid

01:15:19.340 has helped. But on the other hand, I see both factions within the alt-right and the rising American,

01:15:25.900 what you'd call white populism, who want to be less interventionist and who want to give us a

01:15:31.980 freer hand. And I think that's a very good direction to move in where Israel can do whatever 0.79

01:15:37.020 it wants and America doesn't tell us what to do. I think a lot of people would be very happy for that.

01:15:44.460 On the other hand, you'll find that, let's say, I want to talk about AIPAC. So I don't actually think

01:15:51.580 that if in terms of the aid itself, America is losing money because there's a lot of,

01:15:55.660 you see this when you look at left-wing anti-Zionists, people who are all, they talk

01:16:01.100 about Israel's war crimes and they say Israel is a racist apartheid state. They say things like,

01:16:07.580 no, the U.S. actually gains plenty of money from this alliance. Like they give three billion,

01:16:12.940 but they get arms deals. They get a free aircraft carrier in the Middle East. And there are other,

01:16:18.780 you know, American officials who have said things like the intelligence that we get from them is

01:16:23.660 worth 50 billion dollars a year. I don't remember the figure. It was insane. A lot of people are

01:16:27.740 skeptical that that intelligence is actually being used, you know, to serve American interests,

01:16:32.380 which is actually something I understand. But yes, I think that a less, less cooperation,

01:16:41.980 maybe cooperation is the wrong word. I still want to cooperate with America, but less heavy intervention

01:16:48.300 might be a very good thing for us. And that's the direction I'm fine with taking us in.

01:16:51.900 Yeah. We should be doing our own things. It should be. Yeah. I know you've heard a lot of

01:16:55.340 alt-right people say, and that's one thing they liked about Trump is America first, not Israel first,

01:16:59.660 right? It's always every president always has to mention Israel, right? Every single one.

01:17:04.700 Yeah. The original Mayor Kahana was like one of the most right-wing, the father of really radical right-wing

01:17:11.980 Zionism. He was very strongly against aid even back then. He died a while ago, but he was assassinated. But

01:17:19.420 like he already said at the time, it's one percent of GDP and this is going to be used to dictate our

01:17:24.860 own policy. Like, don't let it happen. Yeah. So it's, it's not, it's not like you're the only one who

01:17:30.540 wants to end aid. I also want to end aid. I think that would be, yeah, I think that'd be a good thing. 0.87

01:17:34.780 We should work towards becoming prime minister of Israel one day.

01:17:37.820 Maybe we can have like an alt-right prime minister of Israel one day.

01:17:45.580 With this rhetoric, I don't know if I could, but they discovered this interview one day in all my

01:17:50.700 publications. But yeah, there's still like in Israel, actually, this is something you might be

01:17:56.860 surprised at. They are not big fans, not for the reasons you would think. They are not big fans of

01:18:03.420 Europeans, continental Europeans specifically, as opposed to Americans. Because right now you have 0.89

01:18:08.940 countries like Sweden who are very much subservient to their small Muslim minorities and also very 1.00

01:18:16.540 leftist in the way they think about nationalism. So they are very against Israel. They release statements

01:18:21.980 regularly condemning our products, wanting to label our products. And they, Israel sees Israelis, 1.00

01:18:28.940 like right-wing Israelis. All they see coming out of these Scandinavian and Western European countries 0.80

01:18:33.980 is condemning their own nationalism. Meanwhile, the EU, which gives plenty of aid to Palestinians, 0.57

01:18:41.100 or at least tries to make things better for them in the region with some sort of indirect subsidy,

01:18:46.060 you'll find that they are very anti-Israel in terms of the nationalist aspect of it. So all of these,

01:18:53.180 I think that a far-right leadership in Europe would benefit us too, even if, let's say,

01:18:57.660 Jews would leave Europe. They would be like, yeah, you guys do whatever you want in the Middle East. 1.00

01:19:01.820 Like, there's no reason for us to be so, you know, like telling you and condemning you for

01:19:07.420 taking whatever steps you want to take in the Middle East. Because we understand that we have

01:19:11.260 problems like this in our own countries. It's slightly different dynamics, albeit, but I think

01:19:15.500 they would be a lot more lenient if we had like a far-right leader.

01:19:18.860 I agree. I think it's the best thing for you, really. So I have to ask, what do you think a lot of,

01:19:23.660 you know, earlier we talked about how Jews are disproportionately represented, and there's a

01:19:28.460 lot of Jewish elites dominating a lot of different fields. There's a tribal interest,

01:19:31.980 which of course is healthy, and I understand that. What is it that they are ultimately after?

01:19:36.780 What is it that they want? What's going to make them happy? I mean, what's their end game?

01:19:41.820 Before I get to that, I still have a lot to say about the last thing, if you don't mind.

01:19:45.340 Sure.

01:19:45.660 Can I continue? Yeah. One of the things I think that we would both benefit from is the dissolution

01:19:52.300 of the EU. Because the EU, you know, they're funding ICC suits against us.

01:19:56.620 Oh, I know. Yeah. We don't like the EU either, so we're with you there.

01:20:00.620 Yeah. So the EU, and also the UN, they're very much based on these third-world, anti-white, 1.00

01:20:06.860 anti-Zionist as well, Marxist, like Chomskyism, you could say, where they see Israel as a problem

01:20:14.380 because it's a successful first-world country, and that's why they don't like it.

01:20:18.380 They see it as something to be exploited or oppressing the people surrounding it. Just one

01:20:22.940 example is how, like, if the Palestinians, one thing that would immensely benefit them is if

01:20:27.740 Israeli settlers moved in and increased their economy and expanded jobs. But I understand that

01:20:31.980 they don't want that, because for them, they want the land, and it's more important for them to

01:20:36.140 live in poverty, rather than to have Jews move in and make their quality of life better. 1.00

01:20:40.780 So it's like this sort of, it's anti-white in a way. Even though we're not white,

01:20:46.540 it's much of the same sentiment that fuels anti-Zionism is actually the same sentiment

01:20:51.660 that fuels being anti-white. The UN as well is something that I wanted. I think I mentioned 0.96

01:20:58.300 that just now. But they, for example, had one or two or three resolutions against the rest of the

01:21:04.060 world, and like one on Syria, or maybe none on Syria, I don't remember. Did they have any on North

01:21:09.100 Korea? But it was like three for the rest of the world, despite everything going on in Southeast 0.97

01:21:13.260 Asia, and about 22 for us. Although luckily, you know, Saudi Arabia and all these Arab countries, 0.99

01:21:19.260 they're sitting on top of the security and the Human Rights Council. Like those countries, yeah,

01:21:23.180 they're great with the human rights, trust me. But they, luckily, the US does veto that for us.

01:21:30.540 That's one of the last things that I think, that's going to be something that's not going to be as

01:21:35.100 easy to get rid of as aid, because it's much more, it's much more integrated there. You're going to

01:21:40.140 have a harder time just deleting that overnight. But the UN is an institution I'd like to see either

01:21:45.020 Trump pull out of, that would make me very happy, or to just see it reformed, or weakened, or totally

01:21:51.580 be destroyed. Yeah, that would be better.

01:21:53.420 Yeah. I'll see your next question. Can you ask it again? Because I went back on a few others.

01:21:58.380 Sure. Yeah. Earlier, we were talking about how Jews are disproportionately represented,

01:22:02.700 they dominate a lot of fields, and you were talking about a healthy tribal interest. I get

01:22:07.100 that. But what do you think is their end game for a lot of these Jewish elites? What is it that they're 0.82

01:22:12.140 after? So I genuinely, I mean, actually here, this is a great way to break it down for you initially.

01:22:18.460 There's not even unity in this regard. Have you heard of Sheldon Adelson?

01:22:22.060 Oh, yeah.

01:22:23.900 So Sheldon Adelson actually donated like a lot of money to Trump, this campaign. And I'll tell you

01:22:29.260 why. Trump, someone like Sheldon Adelson, he literally could not care less what Europeans

01:22:35.660 or Americans do on their continent. Like, deport all the Mexicans, deport all the Haitians. As long as 1.00

01:22:41.340 you support, you know, right, or at least don't interfere with right wing Israeli nationalism,

01:22:46.460 Sheldon Adelson will give you money. That's an example of someone who would totally be willing to make

01:22:51.020 an alliance with the far right in Europe. If the opportunity comes forward and they're like,

01:22:56.780 we Europeans or we Americans, we're not going to get involved in your conflict. You can do whatever

01:23:00.380 you want, but you also do whatever you want. That's the, let's say, path that I want to see going

01:23:06.700 forward for Jewish nationalists and European nationalists in the future. But so that's

01:23:13.260 someone like Sheldon Adelson. But he is not, he is kind of unique in that regard. Then you have

01:23:17.580 someone else like Chaim Saban, who I think you've heard of, where he supports, you know,

01:23:21.740 the right wing in Israel and the left wing in America. I'm not sure if someone like Chaim Saban

01:23:27.820 really supports Hillary Clinton because he likes mass immigration or because he thinks that she

01:23:32.300 was more viable than Trump. I think that if you had Hillary versus Rubio, Chaim Saban would be paying

01:23:38.540 both of them. Like he would just go, he's willing to pay off anyone who he can. Like he's just looking

01:23:45.420 out for his own interests in the Middle East. And he's also much more willing to be interventionist

01:23:50.220 about it, where I think Adelson, he doesn't mind interventionism, but he, as you can see with

01:23:55.900 Trump, who's not a neocon, he was willing to fund Trump. He funded Romney before Trump. So he's really

01:24:01.580 just looking out for the interests of Israel with no regard for what happens to European or American 0.54

01:24:06.300 minorities. Now, this is where there's not a unity. Even Sheldon Adelson and Chaim Saban,

01:24:16.940 they would have more in common in terms of their interests. There are Jewish elites. I'll give you 0.87

01:24:21.820 an example. In Israel, to show you how disparate this is, there's a Jewish group called We Are Refugees

01:24:27.820 in Israel. There were 50,000 Eritrean and Sudanese refugees that made it into Israel before we built a

01:24:34.940 wall, before we started taking all these measures to secure our country. And 50,000 in a country like 0.99

01:24:41.740 Israel, that's like 2 million for a country. I mean, it's 50,000 in a population of 8 million,

01:24:47.740 to give you an idea. I think it's like 2 million for a European country or for America.

01:24:54.860 It's a very large amount. And they took up a whole neighborhood in Tel Aviv, which was

01:24:59.260 reserved for suburbs and families. And what ended up happening was the mayor wanted to give a school,

01:25:06.620 a successful school for Russian Jews in Tel Aviv to these immigrants, to these migrants from Africa.

01:25:14.220 This is where we were. And the education minister and the prime minister stopped him from doing that.

01:25:19.260 The people in that neighborhood formed their own little militia to deal with these. Yeah,

01:25:23.980 and they were condemning these people in the strongest terms. So you have this disconnect between

01:25:29.500 the elites in Tel Aviv, who live in their own segregated, all-Jewish neighborhoods,

01:25:33.900 and then like the suburbs who have to deal with the multicultural policy. That is not unique to

01:25:38.380 Europe. And this group, We Are Refugees, they legally fund anything that migrants need. You know,

01:25:44.540 legal advice, trying to fight the system to stay in the country, giving them housing, etc.

01:25:50.860 They will do everything. So yeah, there are Jews like that, you know, Jewish elites. There are ones like 0.92

01:25:55.340 B'Tselem. It's short for, you know, man was created in the image. It's like sympathy for minorities. 0.93

01:26:01.820 Man was created in the image of God. They will try to go to the UN to get Israel sanctioned. Like, 0.92

01:26:06.940 that's how passionate they are about destroying their own ethnostate. 0.57

01:26:11.260 What a mess.

01:26:12.460 Yeah. And I think many of these, that's like the extreme polarities, to give you an idea.

01:26:18.940 And then you have George Soros, who again, like we said, he just hates all nationalism,

01:26:22.860 and he's willing to do anything to destroy any country.

01:26:25.020 BDS is an economic sanctioned movement that tries to boycott Israel culturally and economic.

01:26:32.140 If you're from there, from that country, and you don't renounce everything that it does,

01:26:35.820 you should be deplatformed. You shouldn't be allowed to do any business with anyone.

01:26:39.180 Soros helps their efforts. And also, there are many Jews involved in BDS.

01:26:46.620 Okay, those are the extremes. But let's go for now for the centrist sort of elites in Europe.

01:26:50.300 I think many of them, you'll actually find that they're just business people who have no

01:26:55.580 attachment to any sort of continuity. And this is why I don't always agree with the

01:27:00.060 characterization that these people are pursuing Jewish interests. I think in many cases,

01:27:04.460 like would you call it, if someone was trying to destroy white neighborhoods and just in it for 0.96

01:27:09.100 the money in every way, would you say that that person is pursuing white interests? I think they're 0.89

01:27:16.060 just trying to destroy society for their own personal gain. But Jews also are a disproportionate 1.00

01:27:21.820 part of that elite bourgeois class. So I think you'll find business people who, again, they just

01:27:28.540 don't have any regard for anything. Now, I don't know if there are people, if there are elites who are

01:27:33.740 like consciously, let's destroy the West. If there are, no, they won't talk about that openly.

01:27:39.260 Yeah, I've wondered that if it's maybe just something unconscious that they're working on,

01:27:42.860 that it's not necessarily a conscious thing in their mind, but some, it sure seems like it.

01:27:48.220 Yeah, I really, I can't really tell you because I, you know, I'm not privy to these meetings of

01:27:53.260 Jews where they, you know, they get around in their rooms and they're like, well, how are we 1.00

01:27:57.020 going to mongrelize the West today? Rubbing their palms. Rubbing their palms, yeah.

01:28:03.180 So I really, I don't, I can't, I can only give you the overview of the Jewish elite that I see out in

01:28:09.260 the open and that I see openly telling us what they want to do. I can't read the minds of the

01:28:14.860 people behind closed doors. Of course, and it's absurd to say, oh, just because you're Jewish,

01:28:18.060 you know what all these other Jews are doing. I understand that too.

01:28:22.300 I would like to say though, there are like, let me talk about the ADL and the AJC. I follow them

01:28:27.100 both on Twitter, you know, so I can, I occasionally retweet them and insult them, but like I throw quips

01:28:32.860 back and forth with them. The AJC on their website and they add, they advocate for,

01:28:37.660 I don't even know what they do for Jews. Like I don't know what good things they do for Jews. 1.00

01:28:41.740 But they have, apparently maybe they help communities and that, I have no idea. But they

01:28:46.700 do advocate for a two state solution. They want to give the West Bank and Gaza to the Arabs. They

01:28:52.060 want to give them their own. So I'll explain why that's a disaster in a second. A lot of people think,

01:28:55.420 so what's the big deal? Just disengage, have your own country. I'll explain soon.

01:28:59.020 But then the ADL also advocates for the same thing. The ADL says, you know, we need to give

01:29:04.220 the Palestinians their own state. So yeah. And the ADL is like, if we don't do this,

01:29:09.900 it's going to be the end of Israel as a Jewish democratic state. They use all these talking 1.00

01:29:15.180 points that the Israeli left also uses where you're undermining democracy, you're undermining

01:29:20.860 our values if you don't do all of these things for Arabs and other minorities.

01:29:25.100 So I'll explain to you why. I understand it's very easy for someone to hear me talking about

01:29:33.100 a two state solution if they don't understand the dynamics of the conflict and think, so what's

01:29:36.860 the big deal? Wouldn't it just end things? Like I said before, and this is one part of it,

01:29:42.220 among their own ranks, they want all of the land because it's just a broader part of the Islamic

01:29:47.580 hegemony over that region. And they believe they have a law, for example, in the PA, any Palestinian or

01:29:54.220 Arab that in those territories that sells land to Jews, it gets executed by them. Like they have a 1.00

01:30:00.620 big problem with Jews making any headway, whether it's in East Jerusalem, which is across the Green 1.00

01:30:05.420 Line, or whether it's in the rest of the West Bank. But if you look at the topography of Israel,

01:30:10.700 this is something very important. Remember how I mentioned to you that the coast, which has the

01:30:16.620 majority of the population is flatlands. The West Bank is mountainous, and it's about 1,000 meters

01:30:23.260 in its highest elevations. You can look at Google Maps. They have a decent 3D view of this. It's not a

01:30:29.980 straight land at all. Gaza is flatland. It continues alongside the shape of the coast. 0.71

01:30:37.340 We already tried this. We disengaged from Gaza, and we pulled out all the settlements from there and all 1.00

01:30:43.020 the Jewish presence. And they voted, you know, we talk about like bigotry. And they voted for a party

01:30:50.140 with an openly genocidal platform, which, you know, a lot of Westerners, a lot of Western Jews, or a lot 0.92

01:30:55.980 of even, you know, conservative Christians, they look at that and they're like, look at these people and

01:31:01.260 the contempt they have for basic decency and morality. And I actually think that one of the biggest

01:31:07.340 problems with our rhetoric on Israel on both sides is that there's a lot of these both Jews and

01:31:12.700 non-Jews are looking at it from within a liberal framework, or like fundamentally liberal, not 0.95

01:31:18.220 liberal as in again, liberal or right wing, liberal and the umbrella of ideologies that comprises.

01:31:24.620 And they're like, you know, they see it, there's terrorism on both sides, and we have to deescalate

01:31:30.940 the tension. But you have to view it. And I think people on the alt-right can appreciate this much

01:31:35.900 better than normal people. That's not true. But like, this is an ethnic conflict. So when they 0.91

01:31:42.380 have in their charter, in the party that they voted for, that they are going to totally destroy

01:31:46.860 the other people who live there, they see this as an existential ethnic conflict. So okay, they voted 0.99

01:31:53.180 for genocide. Like, I don't expect anything different, especially in their situation. That's what they

01:31:58.620 want to do. They don't, their primary concern isn't their quality of life. It's the fact that these are

01:32:03.260 other people that they see as taking away their land or having dispossessed them. I think there's

01:32:08.220 numerous problems with their narrative, but I'm not sure how much I want to get into that right now.

01:32:12.060 The other thing is, with Gaza, so after we disengaged, you know, they voted for as far

01:32:18.060 right of a party as you can be. And they were sending rockets, you know, continuously into Israel

01:32:23.020 for a long time. And these tensions grew. And in 2014, they kidnapped and killed three boys. And then

01:32:30.300 there was a whole offensive that killed a few hundred Palestinians. I know this is like,

01:32:34.620 there's this term called Hasbara. Have you heard the term Hasbara before?

01:32:38.620 It's literally in Hebrew, it means, you know, like explaining. And there are actually whole

01:32:44.380 seminars that Jews, like young Jews sit through, that like explain to them how to be an apologist 0.99

01:32:50.060 for Israel. And the whole thing is done from like a liberal framework. There are these,

01:32:55.260 it's very universalist in terms of the way it tries to appeal to white Westerners.

01:33:00.780 And I think it's fundamentally flawed view of the conflict, because it can never,

01:33:06.060 you can never have a liberal paradigm representing an ethnic conflict accurately. That's just like

01:33:11.900 when people talk about Islamic terror in the UK, this is, it's not like, okay, terrorism, 0.99

01:33:17.900 and they raped some girls. Well, that's a crime, and you put them in jail. This is how they do an 0.99

01:33:23.340 invasion. And this is how they colonize the enemy's land. Like, that's what's going on.

01:33:27.420 It's not like, well, they killed people, and the judicial system is going to have to take care of

01:33:31.580 that. It's such a flawed way to look at the invasion of Europe and the conflict in the Middle

01:33:36.700 East. So for them, you know, I, I'm not a purist. I don't know what your views are,

01:33:43.740 or people in the alt-right are. I actually don't think that an ethnostate has to be ethnically pure.

01:33:48.460 We have minorities in Israel who are peaceful. We have the Druze. 1.00

01:33:51.180 Yeah. There's always going to be a small section of minorities. Yeah. And most people realize

01:33:56.780 that it's not going to be 100% purity. We're going to do these DNA tests and see if you're

01:34:00.300 100% Hawaii. Exactly. It's not going to be that extreme. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's not a problem

01:34:06.140 that we have. And I actually don't even think, I think a lot of conservative politicians, because

01:34:09.580 they're also viewing it from this liberal paradigm, they say, well, they have to assimilate.

01:34:13.900 I don't think they have to assimilate. The Druze can have their own little culture in their 1.00

01:34:17.100 communities in the Golan and in Northern Israel. That's fine. They actually, they contribute,

01:34:21.900 they're peaceful, whatever. I'm sure there are also, I'm sure maybe small pockets in Europe that

01:34:27.100 maybe you would be fine with. I don't know what the situation is as far as you're concerned,

01:34:31.100 but that's not the problem. The problem is that you have a million or millions of people who believe

01:34:36.780 that the land belongs to them just as it does to you. That's when peace is not possible. All you can

01:34:43.500 do in a situation like that is you can manage a conflict or expel them. Frankly, and I'm going

01:34:48.140 to get a lot of flack for this for maybe other people who are listening or not maybe alt-right,

01:34:52.860 but I really want to transfer them across the Jordan. They are Sunni Arab Muslims. They're 1.00

01:34:57.900 indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula. And there's a country which was originally a part of the British

01:35:02.380 mandate. It was partitioned for Arabs. It's 90%, it's 90 and 98% Arab and Sunni. I forget which is which,

01:35:10.780 but it's overwhelmingly their demographic. It doesn't mean that there aren't going to be

01:35:14.460 integration pains, but there's free land there. And if the EU and the UN, this is another ironic

01:35:21.020 thing, they spend all this money trying to give aid to these refugees. Meanwhile, America is subsidizing

01:35:28.220 our military, which it costs money to keep up checkpoints in the West Bank. It's not a free

01:35:34.780 endeavor. I don't want to oppress Palestine. I don't want to keep them in these checkpoints and build 1.00

01:35:39.740 walls around their territories. That's the only thing that stops them from, you know, having

01:35:43.660 intifadas with us where they stab citizens in the street as a number of lone wolf attacks.

01:35:48.700 That's the only way you manage a conflict like that. The biggest intifadas, by the way,

01:35:52.780 terror is not a result of despair. This is a big fallacy. Terror, and you'll see this in the UK,

01:35:58.860 that when they get emboldened, that's when they commit the biggest crimes against you because

01:36:03.180 they have, they, it's hope and it's weakening your resolve and getting things out of you.

01:36:08.380 That's why the biggest intifadas were after, you know, when we try to make peace agreements with

01:36:13.420 them, it's actually after we really pushed them back in major wars in 48 and 67, that's when they 0.91

01:36:19.900 really left us alone. I think you need to understand that in Europe, which is like the rhetoric that,

01:36:23.980 you know, remember when Trump talked about his Muslim ban and you had these people where like, 0.97

01:36:29.180 if we don't let in more Muslims, then the ones who are here are going to kill us. 1.00

01:36:33.340 Yeah, I know. It's ridiculous. It's like a threat, right? 1.00

01:36:37.740 It's the exact opposite. If you play hardball with them, that's when they're going to leave you.

01:36:42.140 If you deport them, that's when they will be like, okay, yeah. 1.00

01:36:45.260 That's all they respond to is force. We know this.

01:36:47.980 And when the Israeli right says that, the Israeli left gets very triggered. Like,

01:36:51.980 how could you say that? They're human beings just like you and me. We're not all that different.

01:36:56.220 No, they're pretty different.

01:36:59.180 A lot of, I think I was going to mention this earlier, but I skipped over it. You'll find that

01:37:04.700 the leftist Jews in Israel overwhelmingly are Ashkenazi. They're the white Jews, so to speak. 0.95

01:37:10.620 And Mizrahis and darker skin Jews are much more likely to be right wing. Progressive Jews are 0.99

01:37:16.300 usually these like European Jews. I think there's something in that blood that you gave us. 0.99

01:37:21.740 Yeah, it's just so weird. It's true. It's like the whitest areas, the whitest countries, 1.00

01:37:26.700 the whitest communities, always the most left and just cucked and retarded. It's true. 1.00

01:37:31.340 Yeah, there's something, like you guys have plenty of incredible things about your ability

01:37:37.900 to conquer and explore. But you also have this sick pathological altruism.

01:37:42.620 It's true.

01:37:43.260 Which really is, like, you notice that we lived in Arab societies for a long time. We were never

01:37:49.100 able to, no one even conceived of trying to get Arabs to accept mass immigration in their countries.

01:37:54.620 Like, you can talk about Jewish subversion or pushing immigration policies. We never pulled

01:37:59.260 it off anywhere else. We only pulled it off in a mess.

01:38:01.340 It's so true. I mean, we do have to accept some of that responsibility there for being bamboozled

01:38:07.100 and stupid. 1.00

01:38:07.900 Yeah, it's only possible with white people. And it's also like these leftist parties in Israel 1.00

01:38:13.660 are overwhelmingly Ashkenazi in both the people who vote for them and the people who run them.

01:38:18.220 So that's a very interesting dynamic.

01:38:21.500 Now, I know a lot of European Jews, they don't identify as white. And we've seen that there's 1.00

01:38:26.860 a lot of those particular Jews that are pushing this white privilege lie. Why do you think that is? 0.73

01:38:33.340 Well, first of all, I'll just tell you first about like the discussions that you have among

01:38:38.780 non-elite Jews, like not the ones who work in media, like general liberal Jews actually say

01:38:42.860 Jews aren't white and they they aren't like, you know, the same status as someone with a last name

01:38:49.820 who's like totally European and can pass for white in every situation. But they still have to have 0.98

01:38:54.620 white privilege. They still have white privilege and they still have to acknowledge that they have 0.55

01:38:57.820 white privilege because it ultimately does earn the benefit in society. 0.54

01:39:03.340 Then you'll like these elite Jews. I really do think like a lot of these concepts and this is just 0.97

01:39:08.540 a broader dynamic. You have the vanguard in academia that pushes them and then society eats

01:39:13.980 them up and they're perpetuated through memes that repeat themselves in media.

01:39:18.220 They're the people who spearhead them and the people who buy into them.

01:39:22.460 And Jews have that division just as much as whites. And yes, it's a big problem. The whole white 0.97

01:39:27.580 privilege thing, like one of the red pills for me actually was accepting that white privilege was

01:39:33.420 very real, ironically, because, you know, they're smarter, they're more productive and they build

01:39:37.980 better societies, but not because of their, not because they exploit other minorities, just the 0.98

01:39:43.100 opposite. They'd be better off if they didn't have blacks in their neighborhoods. But yeah, this, 1.00

01:39:47.980 I don't, I don't, you know, again, I don't, I don't read the minds of the elites. I don't know what

01:39:52.140 they were thinking. Someone like Noah Ignatiev, I actually, like, I've read a lot of the things he's

01:39:57.500 written. He might just be the kind of, you know, resentful, hateful person who really just wants

01:40:02.700 to see Europe burn or European civilization burn and revels in it. And like, I think he is motivated

01:40:11.740 very much by a sort of very dangerous grievance that has gone completely out of hand. So yeah,

01:40:19.980 I think there, there is some of that. But then I think some of them, they see themselves as victims

01:40:25.180 of Western and European imperialism. And that's why the white privilege thing really resonates

01:40:31.020 with them. You know, I know this Jew, she worked for the Clinton campaign. She's extremely pale, 1.00

01:40:37.340 she totally passes for white, and she's still like talking about how Jews don't have white privilege. 0.55

01:40:41.980 She comes from an upper middle class background. It's like, well, I still experience so much

01:40:46.140 anti-Semitism. I don't, listen, a lot of the problem is that Jews actually believe a lot of these

01:40:52.300 things. This is, I think, something that gets ignored. And that's why a lot of the attacks on

01:40:56.700 Jews from the alt-right, where they say, oh, you have these double standards. They don't even realize

01:41:01.740 that they have the double standards.

01:41:02.780 Yeah, they don't even see it.

01:41:04.300 They don't see it. No, they don't. So I really, I wish I could tell you, I wish I was privy to these

01:41:09.260 meetings between elites who are not even homogenous in their ideologies themselves.

01:41:13.580 So I have to ask you, you were at the MPI conference. What did you think about

01:41:18.620 the salutes and all the press that went out about those salutes, the five guys saluting at the MPI

01:41:25.180 conference?

01:41:26.460 First of all, it was really ironic to me that that's the part they zeroed in on because Mike

01:41:30.220 Enoch right before that, like almost the entire room gave salutes and that wasn't recorded.

01:41:34.220 That was the first thought I had. But also in addition to that, you know, the,

01:41:37.340 everyone I talked to, people were very, very nice to me. There was one exception to that. So

01:41:43.820 that's the first time I've ever experienced antisemitism in real life. There you go. At

01:41:47.420 the MPI conference, one guy who was trying to be intimidating. Everyone else, you know,

01:41:51.260 they took interest. They were really good to me. They wanted to talk to me about what I think and why

01:41:56.540 I'm here, what I thought could be done about the situation that both of our peoples find themselves

01:42:02.220 in going forward. And then I talked to Richard Spencer, you know, at the end of his talk,

01:42:07.180 I went over to him even before that. I introduced myself to him and I told him I really liked his

01:42:12.620 approach where he was willing to talk to other identitarians from other people. And yeah, I had

01:42:18.860 no issues with him. I maintained some correspondence with him and even Kevin McDonald. So it's, and I'll

01:42:25.340 tell you another thing. I was quoted by a particular newspaper at MPI. I don't want to say which one.

01:42:29.900 I was quoted anonymously and they totally botched what I said.

01:42:34.540 I already, I already don't trust the media, you know, as it is with the whole election.

01:42:39.980 But after seeing that, it's like I was at an event, I saw how it was reported on

01:42:45.340 and they totally misquoted about half of what I said to make it seem quite different.

01:42:51.580 So the fact that they opened that clip with a strong applause line, Richard even said himself

01:42:57.420 during the speech, Trump is not the best president. He supports affirmative action. 1.00

01:43:01.420 He wanted to desegregate clubs. He's, ironically, the most Zionist president that, like, we've ever 0.98

01:43:08.300 had. I'll actually get to that, like Trump and Israel. I have to say, I'm thrilled about Trump

01:43:12.780 as a presidency, not just because of his domestic policy. I'll get to that later. But back to the

01:43:16.780 NPI conference for a bit. So he's like, Trump, Richard doesn't think that Trump is actually like

01:43:22.460 some god messiah emperor. He realized that he's a very flawed leader who just is bringing people

01:43:27.500 closer to the alt-right in many ways. And he's a stepping stone. But Richard knows that it's

01:43:33.500 so absurd. They opened up with the applause line. And if you hear that, if you don't see all the

01:43:37.980 energy that was in that speech, I thought it was an excellent inspirational speech. If you go forward

01:43:42.780 and you say, well, you know, there's a buildup. And then you end the buildup with an applause line.

01:43:50.380 And you say, hail Trump, hail our people. Like, I wasn't scared or intimidated when I heard that

01:43:55.420 there. You know, I wore my kippah, by the way. I wore the religious thing. So it's that people knew I

01:44:00.060 was a Jew. My features are very Jewish. It's not like I was treated well because I passed.

01:44:05.980 And so if you were there, you know that it was like really not a Nazi party where they were talking

01:44:13.740 about genocide. It was, you know, an applause line at the end of a speech. They opened with it 0.82

01:44:19.500 intentionally because it's like scary, actually. If you just open that audio clip on YouTube

01:44:23.340 and you hear a booming voice and a bunch of people like you can get like intimidated by that.

01:44:28.940 You can imagine. Plus, you also know the alt, right? You know their sense of humor and you know

01:44:33.180 how it's become like a big middle finger to the establishment. It's the one thing that gets people

01:44:38.060 so worked up. They just can't handle that salute. Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer were talking about

01:44:43.580 this, not separately. It's a generational thing. Like a lot of older people react to it in a way that

01:44:48.860 younger people don't. So it doesn't phase me that much. But people, like a lot of the older attendees,

01:44:55.260 they freaked out about the salute in a way that, you know, the younger people didn't. Maybe, you know,

01:45:00.940 you could say you're just trying to appeal to the younger people. But I think a lot of,

01:45:05.180 yeah, like the older demographic still has very strong negative reaction to that because they 1.00

01:45:11.340 maybe lived through times where that was more. Listen, I think Mike Enoch actually makes a lot of

01:45:17.740 good points where he says, you know, you guys are not strategy experts and everything you said

01:45:22.620 that was too edgy, it actually helped. This was played all over TV. In a way I am projecting because

01:45:28.140 it makes my life as a Jew trying to build bridges with the alt right a lot harder. But maybe like,

01:45:34.620 maybe it is something helpful. I don't know. I can't pretend that I'm an expert on strategy.

01:45:39.740 Now, if people knew that you, you were there, would you be attacked by other Jews for it? And

01:45:44.620 if so, why? If you're trying to make bridges with people like us, I mean, isn't that seen,

01:45:49.820 wouldn't that be seen as a good thing? Shouldn't that be seen as a good thing?

01:45:53.420 No, because you guys are Nazis and anyone who even tries to associate with you, it's, 0.90

01:45:57.020 it's funny. I have Jewish friends who are literally communists, like self-ident, 0.94

01:46:01.580 I don't use that term lightly. They're actually self-identified communists,

01:46:04.620 which is an ideology that killed way more people than Nazism by far. And-

01:46:09.660 Definitely.

01:46:10.780 The hammer and sickle is quite normalized in our society. It's even commended on a lot of campuses.

01:46:15.100 It's like you're fighting for the revolution, even though your ideology is really in power.

01:46:21.500 But like the swastika in comparison, people react to it much worse than they do to the hammer and

01:46:27.180 sickle, even though the numbers alone, like-

01:46:31.340 And the swastika is ancient too, by the way, way before national socialists.

01:46:35.660 Yeah, that's true. But I don't, I don't think that that enters their, the thought process.

01:46:39.500 I personally wouldn't use either one of those symbols because I don't, I don't,

01:46:43.180 I have nothing to gain by using those symbols. And I'm not like a- 0.80

01:46:46.860 Yeah, that was, that was then, this is now. So we have to move, move on, move on, can't live in the past.

01:46:52.380 Yeah. So, but basically being at an event and then seeing how the media reports on it afterwards

01:46:59.580 is rather incredible because you, you know, the media is dishonest. If you're one of us,

01:47:04.780 you know, the media is dishonest, but it's nothing like seeing firsthand the kind of tricks that they

01:47:12.300 use. There, there was actually a New York Times reporter that I was corresponding with.

01:47:16.700 Uh, he ended up writing an article about the NPI conference and he left me out of it. You know,

01:47:22.140 he said he would put, I don't care. I'm not bothered. Like I'm actually happier that he left

01:47:25.580 me out in the end because probably misquote me or something.

01:47:28.860 Yeah. But he did just because of, think of how powerful that would be, that a Jewish guy was 0.86

01:47:33.820 there and he says, I was treated well and I saw it and it was all fun. I mean, they would never print

01:47:39.660 that. Of course not.

01:47:40.460 Yeah, it does. It doesn't really do anything to advance their narrative.

01:47:44.860 Um, but what are you going to do with the media? Like, I don't, I don't know. I think we just have

01:47:52.300 to keep attacking them for being totally flagrantly dishonest. Yeah, definitely. One thing you said you

01:47:59.020 did want to mention before we wrapped up was Trump and Israel. Trump on Israel, he represents a paradigm

01:48:05.500 shift because he's not a neocon. He's like, we don't have to do these insane wars with Iraq or we don't

01:48:10.780 have to bomb Iran. But he, he, on the other hand, he said things like, you know, he's fine with 0.86

01:48:16.460 settlements. He is okay with Israel doing all of these things. I don't know if you saw recent, 0.63

01:48:20.940 the recent news where, uh, you know, like he appointed this guy Friedman to be ambassador

01:48:28.140 of Israel. Friedman is more right wing than both Trump and the Israeli government on it, on Israel.

01:48:34.860 Like, that's how, this is the guy he picked. He's like an op-ed columnist for a very right wing site.

01:48:41.180 And he, here's what he said. I would never even use this rhetoric. I am not bold enough to talk

01:48:45.500 this way. He said left wing Jews, like the ones at J Street are worse than the Kapos. Kapos, uh, 0.97

01:48:50.940 just so that you know, the, for those of you who don't know, it's the Jews that worked with the Nazis

01:48:55.500 to oppress other Jews. He's like left wing Jews in America are worse than Kapos because the Kapos, 1.00

01:49:01.500 you know, they were looking out for their family. They didn't want to die. They were under duress, 0.97

01:49:05.020 but these leftist Jews in America, they're comfortable condemning us from, from the comfort 0.99

01:49:10.220 of their couches in a first world country. Like they're worse. Like when I heard that, I was like, 0.98

01:49:16.460 wow, you know, I wouldn't talk like that, but this, this is, this is a, this seems like an excellent

01:49:21.900 pick. I have no idea what I'm really confused by his secretary of state pick, not because of Israel,

01:49:27.180 just like I've, I was not expecting him. I thought he would take someone, you know,

01:49:30.540 with more experience. Oh, you mean Tillerson? Yeah. I have no idea what's up with that pick.

01:49:34.940 I guess one, one good thing about him is good relationship with Putin, with Russia. That's

01:49:39.420 good. Yeah. I think he chose him because as CEO of Vaxon, he has a lot of good connections. He's

01:49:44.300 dealt with a lot of world leaders. He can negotiate. And I think that's why he chose him.

01:49:49.100 Yeah. That's what he said. Like this guy has experience with, but it was still a pick that,

01:49:53.500 that baffled me a bit. By the way, I think I want for Israel, I want better relationship with Russia too.

01:49:58.700 I don't see why all these successful countries have to be at each other's throats. Yeah.

01:50:03.500 And I don't see why America and Russia have to be at each other's throats over something like the

01:50:07.820 Assad regime. If you, if you, I don't know if you've been looking at it recently, there is a decent 0.98

01:50:12.780 chance that Israel will go to war with ISIS because we share a border on the Golan Heights

01:50:17.020 with the conflict in Syria. And ISIS has been pouring in from both sides, also from the Sinai

01:50:22.220 desert and from that conflict. So we might, we might have to, you know, take down ISIS in,

01:50:27.180 in the South. Should have done it a long time ago, huh? Yeah. Listen, I don't, I don't,

01:50:33.100 I don't represent the government of Israel. I don't dictate their foreign policy.

01:50:36.540 But maybe you'll get in there, huh? You should get in there.

01:50:39.740 I should get in there. I also have to say, like, I don't, I don't deny that Israel benefits from when 0.74

01:50:44.380 the Middle East is at each other's throats. Like when, when Assad is killing ISIS, which is

01:50:48.700 killing the rebels, which is killing the Kurds. And when I, Assad also wants to kill the rebels 0.77

01:50:53.020 in the Kurds. Like Israel actually gets somewhat of a pass along these leftist institutions because

01:50:58.940 they pretend like if you just took Israel away, they're the peace in the Middle East and they

01:51:04.060 forget the war that's going on in Yemen and they forget that the Taliban and all these things.

01:51:08.140 Yeah, they're all killing each other too. Yeah.

01:51:10.140 This is the norm for, for that region, for like Middle East, North Africa. I told

01:51:14.220 this to my white professor, like you're projecting.

01:51:16.140 Yeah. There's no peace in Muslim countries either. 1.00

01:51:18.220 So yeah. Even if we never got there, like this is one of the most explosive parts of

01:51:23.580 the world and explosive culture. So yeah, that's one of the biggest fallacies as well.

01:51:29.020 Assad actually said recently, I think he's like, despite everything that's been going on,

01:51:32.780 like our biggest enemy is still Israel, which is funny. Listen, we can leave Assad in power. 0.95

01:51:38.380 He's not going to do anything to us. He's going to be rebuilding his country for like 20 years now.

01:51:42.140 He's, he likes to talk a big talk.

01:51:44.060 And he's more of a secular Western government. I mean, I heard him talking about multiculturalism

01:51:49.340 and praising it for crying out loud.

01:51:53.100 But it doesn't, it doesn't benefit the region or the US to start deposing dictators

01:51:58.060 because then you have other elements that come in. It's not any better. This is just how it goes in

01:52:03.340 that part of the world. But yeah, so just briefly back to Trump and Israel. This is where I wanted

01:52:09.580 to move. He's not going to cut aid. I actually think it's the businessman side of him that doesn't

01:52:13.900 want to cut aid. A lot of people also won't like that I say that. But Trump thinks, I think he thinks

01:52:19.900 that there is something to be gained by this relationship, both financially. Don't forget that

01:52:24.860 75% of Israeli aid must be used to buy US arms. So it's effectively a subsidy for the US arms

01:52:33.820 industry. A lot of people don't know that. It's not like $3 billion for free, just like that.

01:52:39.100 So Trump, you know, he was trying to differentiate himself from the original candidates in the primary,

01:52:43.660 where he said things like, I'll make Israel pay. Because all the other candidates were like, 0.71

01:52:50.300 yeah, we're going to continue funding them. And we're going to destroy a side. And we're going to

01:52:53.660 start more wars in the Middle East. We're going to bomb Iran. And Trump was like, yeah, we're not 0.97

01:52:57.340 going to get involved. We're going to make them pay. And then afterwards, he met with Bibi after the 0.90

01:53:01.420 primary. And he said, yeah, we love the relationship with Israel. We're going to keep that going. Who

01:53:06.220 knows? Maybe he has other pressures on him. I don't know the internal diplomatic processes that go on

01:53:11.420 with Trump and his thought processes. But that is definitely the direction that I want to see

01:53:17.500 Israel going. No more insane war mongering. But also, he's going to give Russia a free hand. 0.52

01:53:21.900 Give us a free hand. That's what Richard Spencer wants to do. I'd vote for Richard Spencer for

01:53:26.220 president. With the exception of maybe Iran and the Russian aid to put to Assad, we are the regional

01:53:33.500 hegemon in terms of military. We're a very small country. We could flatten half the Middle East in an 0.93

01:53:38.460 offensive onslaught tomorrow. Well, then do it.

01:53:45.020 No, that's not a smart thing to do. Not necessarily. But also, people talk about we're genociding the

01:53:52.060 Palestinians. I think we've shown immense restraint. And we could genocide them tomorrow. We could go in 1.00

01:53:58.620 and flatten Gaza tomorrow with our fighter jets. But we don't do it. So it's obviously immoral. I don't

01:54:04.300 believe in genocide. But I do believe in expulsion because I think it actually would be better for 0.70

01:54:08.460 everyone involved.

01:54:09.900 Yeah, nationalism. This is why we need our separate countries. One other question I have to ask you

01:54:14.540 about comes up a lot. Your thoughts on the USS Liberty attack by Israel and the bombing of American

01:54:19.820 installations in Egypt in the 50s. This one comes up a lot in the alt-right. What happened?

01:54:27.180 I think that at the time, and I'm not going to be one of those people who says,

01:54:30.620 you know, like, no, it was just an accident. I'm going to go for that narrative. I'm not

01:54:34.700 certain. I've looked at both sides of this. There is a very decent possibility that Israel 0.93

01:54:38.540 intentionally attacked the USS Liberty because they were afraid that America was going to give

01:54:43.180 crucial intel to the Russians and other countries in that region. I wasn't privy to it. I don't know.

01:54:51.020 But I'm not writing off that possibility immediately. But it is important to stress that at the time,

01:54:56.620 Israel was a much weaker country. U.S. foreign policy was significantly less friendly to Israel.

01:55:03.500 Today, I don't think Israel would be as fussed if Americans got hold of some of their crucial 1.00

01:55:07.580 intelligence. But back then, they had just this hyper realist foreign policy. And yeah,

01:55:13.580 it ended up killing 150 sailors. And that's a tragedy. But I wasn't there for it. I wasn't born yet.

01:55:18.780 And I don't want that. I obviously would never want to do that. So.

01:55:24.300 Also, what did you think of a lot of people had these problems with this? We did to Trump's

01:55:29.100 cabinet picks. There's been some, you know, like Treasury Goldman Sachs guy, Steve Mnuchin,

01:55:35.020 and then Gary Kahn, also Treasury chief economic advisor. They both happen to be Jews. But why do you 0.97

01:55:41.180 think he picked these Goldman Sachs guys when he's been so anti Wall Street and elites and globalists?

01:55:47.420 What do you think?

01:55:48.620 So this is actually something that a lot of my Bernie-supporting friends were just as bothered

01:55:52.460 by as a lot of my Trump-supporting friends were. They're like, he promised anti-establishment

01:55:56.540 picks. And then he takes these bankers. I think that this and Fashion Nation, I think they're right

01:56:01.500 about this, that he just wants to go with someone he thinks is truly competent. And another thing is,

01:56:07.420 there's too much assumption, again, of collaboration, that just because you work for Goldman Sachs,

01:56:12.460 you're part of this global cabal and elite that has all these shared interests.

01:56:17.100 I don't think that's necessarily the case. There's a lot of this tendency on the alt-right to really

01:56:22.140 lump together a lot of people who have disparate interests just because they all oppose your own

01:56:26.460 interests. So listen, Trump at one point said, and a lot of Jews were bothered by this, like,

01:56:32.620 he said, I want guys with yarmulkes to count my money. Like, oh my god, anti-Semitism. Like,

01:56:38.060 he loves Jews. He works, he's surrounded by Jews, like, in his personal life.

01:56:42.220 Ezra Levant did a good video about that.

01:56:44.220 Yeah, I saw that. It was a really, I really enjoyed that video. I was like, I didn't even know

01:56:49.260 how connected he was to Jews in his own life. And I guess a lot of that is just a professional

01:56:56.700 relationship. I'm sure he, I think he's very phylo-Semitic. Like, I think he really likes Jews. 0.99

01:57:01.740 Yeah, I think he does, too. And Jared Kushner, too, he's being praised as the man behind Trump. I'm

01:57:07.740 like, who's this guy? Some 35-year-old guy who wasn't political a year ago.

01:57:12.860 He's married to Trump's converted daughter.

01:57:15.420 Yeah, oh, I know. I know. It's the son-in-law. And I was surprised that he actually got with a

01:57:19.660 non-Jewish girl because he's, he's very into his Jewish heritage and religion.

01:57:24.940 But she's Jewish now. 0.97

01:57:25.980 Yeah, she is. But I thought, you know, wouldn't they want someone who's actually Jewish blood in that case?

01:57:31.820 No, I mean, among Orthodox Jews, we see converts and normal, like, blood Jews as just as Jewish.

01:57:41.260 This is actually something that bothers a lot of secular Zionists. They're like, 1.00

01:57:45.420 so you're fine with your daughter marrying some low IQ West African. And the answer to that from 0.99

01:57:51.020 an Orthodox perspective is like, as long as he's a good person in other regards and cares about

01:57:55.660 our tradition, yeah. That's something that would, I think, like, befuddle a lot of

01:58:00.940 people on the alt-right, how someone who's as right-wing as I am would take a stance like that.

01:58:05.660 But it's because, and we've alluded to this earlier, Jews are not really, you know,

01:58:10.940 a race in the same way that whites are. 0.91

01:58:13.900 Jews have their own boundaries. And a lot of, there's this article recently,

01:58:18.140 I don't know if you remember this, Richard Spencer gave a response to a rabbi at Texas A&M.

01:58:21.980 He's like, oh, I preach radical inclusion, come to Torah with me. We are not about radical

01:58:26.620 inclusion, okay? I don't know what you've heard, but we are not about radical, we're just not.

01:58:31.420 And there's nothing wrong with that. I like that we're, you know, we have a lot of,

01:58:34.780 we're very exclusive and insular. But the other thing is, it's possible. One of the responses I

01:58:41.820 saw to Richard Spencer was like, no, Zionism isn't racist because we allow non-Jews to come into our

01:58:47.900 group through conversion. I think that totally misses the point. First of all, there's still

01:58:51.820 an in-group, out-group distinction. And second of all, just because some groups define the

01:58:56.380 boundaries of their identity differently than you do, doesn't mean that they don't have an

01:59:01.100 identity. Like clearly there are very strong, similar motifs that run through the pan-European

01:59:06.460 identity, like the music that they've produced, the architecture, the philosophy, and all the,

01:59:11.580 all the common, let's say things that bring whiteness of many different ethnicities together, 0.75

01:59:16.780 which is why they integrate into each other much better. Jews also share a common identity

01:59:21.420 based on their history, their biblical heroes, etc. So yeah, we have an identity and the borders

01:59:29.100 of that identity function differently. They're not as strictly ethnic the way they are for non-Jew,

01:59:35.020 Jewish whites, but they definitely are there. And the other thing I'd say is the early Zionists 1.00

01:59:39.660 were anti-religious. For them, it was all about race. Like they didn't have this concept of

01:59:44.620 conversion because they were secular Marxists, but nationalists. Marxists in terms of how they

01:59:50.620 thought society should be in terms of, you know, wealth redistribution and communal living together.

01:59:57.580 But on the other hand, they, yeah, they didn't believe that you're just able to convert into the

02:00:03.020 religion. For them, it was an ethnic people. And that's also why for a lot of them, like they saw,

02:00:09.500 what was it, had this concept that they were very anti-religious. And a lot of rabbis in Europe were

02:00:17.100 saying things like, yeah, we can't get on board with Zionism. It's just this secular movement. On

02:00:21.900 the one hand, the religious ones opposed it and the socialists in the Russian, Jewish, and Eastern

02:00:28.060 European Bund. You know, there was a German-American Bund that we hear a lot about. There's also a Jewish

02:00:32.860 one in the Pale that also was around. And they were very anti-Zionist. They're like, no,

02:00:37.740 no, we finally are going to be able to be integrated into Gentile society. What are you

02:00:40.940 guys doing? And they're like, no, we're going to... There's one more point I want to touch on,

02:00:46.080 which is that for a successful nationalist movement, I mean, this was going on since the

02:00:50.940 second half of the 19th century, long before they finally established a state, they were already

02:00:56.180 moving in. And life was very difficult because the British and the Turkish were still controlling 1.00

02:01:00.700 that land and really gave them a hard time with immigration because they didn't want to 0.98

02:01:06.080 flame Arabs, as I mentioned earlier. But don't be frustrated. It might take you... I'm not even

02:01:10.580 kidding. It might actually take you like 100 years before you're really able to make whites

02:01:14.740 racially conscious. But our movement didn't start off with... We didn't have a state in the 1880s.

02:01:20.860 And there was... A lot of people also don't know the history behind Zionism in Israel. Do you know

02:01:26.900 that in the 20th century, about 850,000 Mizrahi Jews were ethnically cleansed from the entire Arab

02:01:35.180 world, like the Maghreb, the Middle East? You can look up the Farhud, for example. So it was actually

02:01:40.140 very... Some of it was very bloody. And then those Jews came to Israel. And there was a lot of violence 0.66

02:01:44.380 between Arabs and Jews, like where they massacred, you know, tens of Jews in one day. And then Jews 0.96

02:01:49.800 started new organizations to fight them. There was aggression on... Like, it was not peaceful before there was a

02:01:55.620 state. The state actually manages the violence much better. So people don't... And by the way,

02:02:02.240 another thing about that, because people don't realize this as well. We tried a two-state solution

02:02:06.540 back in 1947. That was the partition plan. And within 20 years, we had two wars of aggression

02:02:13.180 launched against us. And we gave them actually much more generous borders, which they were against the

02:02:18.060 partition plan, because it gave us too much land, even though it's much less than we have now.

02:02:22.380 So I don't trust them to have any sort of peace process that maintains a division of our land.

02:02:28.920 If they want to stay, if a few of them do want to stay, they're going to have to completely accept

02:02:32.880 our full sovereignty and ownership of the land. And I would say the same thing. I think that Jews and

02:02:38.480 other minorities, to the extent that they want to stay in the West, they're going to have to start to 1.00

02:02:42.980 understand that they are guests, and they should treat their hosts with respect.

02:02:47.720 Yeah. Well, Reactionary Jew, I want to thank you for your time, John. I think this has been a really 0.98

02:02:51.900 good conversation. We're hearing new things, a different view. You know, you're Jewish, so this

02:02:57.720 hasn't been new. I mean, this is really kind of quite shocking for us, you know, meeting a Jew who's 1.00

02:03:02.600 actually looked into alt-right topics and isn't afraid to bridge out and talk to us. So it's great,

02:03:08.380 and I appreciate you for being brave.

02:03:11.440 Thank you very much. I want to shill one more time for thejewishalternative.com. You can follow me

02:03:16.780 at ReactionaryJew on Twitter. That's one word. You can follow at Ari underscore Ben Canaan on Twitter.

02:03:23.780 So, yeah, thank you very much for hosting me. I loved this conversation. I'm so glad that we're able to dialogue

02:03:31.320 like this openly and, you know, to understand each other's problems as fellow nationalists and work towards

02:03:38.200 a future that's less entire. And honestly, a lot of them pursue, you know, the interests without any regard

02:03:44.840 for the other ones. I'm not saying that I think that, you know, alt-right should be more sensitive. I think that

02:03:49.660 if we get expelled from, you know, European countries, it's not going to be the end of the world, honestly.

02:03:55.300 Like, people talk about it like, oh, these Europeans, like, yeah, they'll go to Israel this time,

02:04:00.580 and they probably will be under less threat. We've had entire communities destroyed in the Arab world, 1.00

02:04:06.460 and we rebuilt them in Israel, and now we have our own ethno-state. So I'm actually not asking for, like, 0.65

02:04:11.300 more tolerance in white countries towards Jews. I'm not asking, you know, beyond, like, non-violence.

02:04:17.740 I wouldn't ask you to, you know, be extremely tolerant towards Jews in white countries. 1.00

02:04:22.400 But on the other hand, to be, just to recognize where our interests align, and they won't always align.

02:04:28.420 And sometimes they'll collide in a way that any two groups, you know, their interests collide.

02:04:32.820 But I'd much rather dialogue and collaborate with the alt-right than work against them.

02:04:38.920 And I'm very happy to be talking to you here.

02:04:42.160 Well, off-air, he told me how he was trying to red-pill a female friend on diversity,

02:04:46.200 and he kept pressing her on, why is it so important?

02:04:49.120 Finally, she responded, because no diversity means the Holocaust.

02:04:52.940 Sadly, this comment is all too common.

02:04:57.940 So we have a lot of work to do, my friends.

02:05:00.660 What do you think?

02:05:01.680 Can white nationalists work together with Jewish ethno-nationalists,

02:05:05.160 such as Reactionary Jew, who genuinely understand our point of view? 0.97

02:05:09.440 Let us know in the comments.

02:05:11.180 And, no, I am not a Jewish plant trying to subvert you.

02:05:14.760 Oh, that always makes me laugh.

02:05:16.180 Have a good night.

02:05:16.880 We'll be right back.

02:05:46.880 We'll be right back.

02:06:16.880 We'll be right back.

Radio 3Fourteen - December 26, 2016

Is it Possible for Jewish Nationalists _ European Nationalists to Work Together_

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