Radio 3Fourteen - Joel Davis & Thomas Sewell - Nationalism For White People & Activist Persecution in Australia

00:00:00.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, I'm Lana. Joining me from down under is Joel Davis and Tom Sewell,

00:00:20.580 who are mass deportation enthusiasts. We'll discuss how mass immigration is transforming

00:00:25.580 Australia and really the entire West. How did we get here and what can be done about it? Welcome,

00:00:31.200 Joel. Great to be here. I finally got an invite to the Cool Kids Club.

00:00:37.480 Let's get into there's so much I want to get into, including the outrageous activist persecution

00:00:42.460 that's happening in Australia. Thomas, I know you went to jail for some bogus charges. We'll also

00:00:46.640 get into that. But I think a great place to begin is really to tell us how you both became a

00:00:52.100 nationalist. What made you first start thinking about being white and realizing how race mattered?

00:00:58.400 Everyone has a story. So let's start with you, Thomas. I was born in New Zealand to the dismay

00:01:03.720 of all my Australian friends and colleagues in this struggle. And my family, I'd say my father

00:01:12.320 was a big influence on me. He wasn't openly or outwardly fascistic or national socialist,

00:01:18.340 but he certainly understood the concept of race. He used to always complain about from a liberal,

00:01:23.440 always from a liberal perspective, he used to complain about how, you know, why don't the whites

00:01:28.280 get treated equally? Isn't it? Isn't the whole point equality and egalitarianism? And he would

00:01:33.420 always complain that Maori's got special treatment in New Zealand or, you know, in the UK where he was

00:01:39.060 born and where our family's from, how, you know, all these Pakistanis and Africans moved into their

00:01:44.360 areas and got assistance and help and felt like the white people were sort of pushed out.

00:01:49.320 And so I did have a basic understanding of race. Certainly the most radical conversation I ever had

00:01:55.500 with my father was he explained when they had their honeymoon in South Africa and we had family in

00:02:00.700 Rhodesia and in South Africa, and he caught up with some family and family friends. And basically they

00:02:06.320 were just describing white genocide. They were describing what was going on in South Africa,

00:02:11.520 what happened in Rhodesia and why they had to flee. And, you know, talking about living in these

00:02:18.920 compounds away from the blacks, but having to keep guns on them at all times, because there was

00:02:24.280 instances where the black security guards would turn on the whites. And, you know, at 10 years old,

00:02:29.500 that's a pretty heavy conversation to be privy to. And so that definitely helped shape a worldview of,

00:02:34.740 okay, like, I'm starting to notice this. The next step from there was early high school and late primary

00:02:41.920 school, I became pretty obsessed with history. And as Hitler said, you know, first I came to love history,

00:02:47.540 then I became a nationalist. So having a deep understanding of ancient Greek, ancient Roman and ancient German

00:02:52.860 history or Germanic history, I just love studying that. So having that wealth of knowledge, these books are

00:03:00.020 probably still in most school libraries, if you can find them. I don't think they were overly

00:03:05.960 political, but just having a base knowledge of these people, of our people, and what we've achieved

00:03:11.720 over thousands of years, to me helped build a sense of self-identity, of self-pride. And I felt an

00:03:20.260 attachment to this history. I didn't feel like it was some foreign concept. I read it as these are our

00:03:26.820 ancestors. And I had that knowledge even back then. From there, certainly, I noticed the racial

00:03:32.600 demographics change in my high school. And I lived in a very multicultural area that was slowly

00:03:38.060 going from maybe 10 to 20% non-European to about 10 to 20% European. And this happened in about a

00:03:47.440 decade. So very quickly, I noticed the collusion between the people that ran my high school,

00:03:54.280 the principal and all the hierarchy of the high school, they were having business relationships

00:04:00.320 with real estate agents. And they were having relationships with Chinese developers. So

00:04:05.800 the people that were running my high school were going over to China and having business meetings

00:04:12.500 with Chinese people. And simultaneously, the property prices in my area were going from about

00:04:17.580 500,000, it was a pretty middle class area, upper middle class area, to about $2 million in a very

00:04:23.500 short period of space. So I could see this collusion. And I was still only probably 15

00:04:28.080 at this point. And I started studying World War Two in history. And I didn't understand why Hitler

00:04:34.080 was the bad guy. I certainly didn't understand that I didn't see or hear anything that he had said that

00:04:38.760 was bad. After that, I, you know, I was, I was always drawing swastikas on the desk for some reason

00:04:44.980 at school. I'm not sure why at the time, but I would just, your dad didn't teach you that?

00:04:49.280 No, no, no. My dad, my dad is a, uh, like my dad thinks Churchill was the good guy. My dad thinks

00:04:55.400 that the Anglo-Saxons fought the Germans, uh, you know, for good reason. And, you know, we're not

00:05:00.900 speaking, he sort of believes that boomer lie. My dad's a boomer. He was born in 1951. And, you know,

00:05:05.700 his dad fought in World War Two against the Germans. So, uh, and my mom's grandfather fought, uh,

00:05:11.620 as a Lancaster bomber pilot as well against the Germans and bombed German cities. So there's a

00:05:15.500 lot of, uh, bad harmony, a lot of bad karma in my family that we've done a lot to hurt the Germans

00:05:20.340 and hurt our brothers in these brothers' wars. And for me, that was always, uh, you know, I want to

00:05:26.500 side with my father and my grandfather and my great grandfather, but then I'm reading this history

00:05:30.740 of World War Two and I'm reading about Hitler and I'm, I'm learning about Hitler. And it was just

00:05:34.380 always in the back of my mind. And, uh, then I kind of fell down. I joined the army, uh, and I fell

00:05:40.700 down, uh, more of a focus on the anti-Islam stuff for sure. And I started watching Tommy Robinson

00:05:45.600 and, uh, I was always confused as to why he was raising, uh, waving Israeli flags. This is sort

00:05:50.820 of going back to 2013 and stuff. And there was a lot of, um, a lot of terror attacks. Uh, and then

00:05:56.060 on YouTube back then, YouTube was amazing. And I watched all these different sort of Hitler videos

00:06:00.560 and Hitler hype videos. Um, my favorite was probably one called the flood comes or die flute comp. I can't

00:06:05.420 speak German, but that's my memory of it. And I just thought, this is magical. This is mystical. This is

00:06:09.920 something I've always been drawn to the swastika. And this is just drawing me in even further.

00:06:14.580 And, uh, then there was some breaking points where I watched the Zundel interviews. Uh,

00:06:19.720 I watched videos on the Holocaust, uh, or the holo hoax, however you want to put it.

00:06:24.320 And, uh, Irving videos, Zundel interviews. And I just thought this is all a lie. We've been

00:06:29.060 lied to the whole time. And, and my instinct to, to always be fascinated with the third Reich and

00:06:34.000 always be fascinated with Hitler was right. And then I said, I read my Kampf, uh, properly for

00:06:38.840 the first time. Cause I had a really crappy copy. Someone bought me my cup in high school,

00:06:41.880 but it was like a Jewish version of it. It was only like 180 pages and it wasn't correct. I read

00:06:47.960 it and I didn't really like it at all. I thought it was boring. And then I, I, I met Blair Cottrell and

00:06:53.660 I believe Blair actually bought me my first copy of my cough. And, um, I read that. And I was just

00:06:59.260 from that moment, I was just, I think it was just before I met Blair. It must've been a girlfriend at

00:07:03.540 the time or someone definitely bought me my cough. I didn't buy it myself. And it was the

00:07:06.980 Ralph Mannheim edition with the crappy footnotes, but I still, I just loved it. I just loved it so

00:07:11.220 much. And from that moment on, I engaged a full time. I've been full time since about 2014

00:07:16.000 in, uh, white nationalist politics, uh, in different versions, different variations.

00:07:21.200 And from that moment, I've just dedicated myself entirely to, to, uh, you know, Adolf Hitler's vision

00:07:27.020 of, of, uh, Europe of the Aryan ideal, the over man, the coming man, however you want to put it.

00:07:33.580 I've just worked towards that ideal as best as I can with what I've been with the clay that God has

00:07:38.640 made me. And you're only 30. So you've been at this for a while at a pretty young age, right?

00:07:44.720 Yeah. I think I just turned 31, but yeah, I've been doing this since publicly since 21. Yeah.

00:07:49.300 Publicly since 21. Joel, how about you?

00:07:53.720 Yeah. Well, when I was a teenager, I, um, there were many like obvious signs that I would become

00:08:00.960 what I've become, but I didn't really put it all together yet. Like I've really found racist

00:08:05.460 banter and jokes hilarious. And, uh, we'd often engage in that. And, um, I remember,

00:08:12.180 I can't remember how old I was, but when I was a teenager, there was a, there was a Mountain Dew

00:08:16.880 poll and they said, we've got a new Mountain Dew flavor and we're going to basically let the people

00:08:22.260 vote on what we're going to call it. And 4chan hijacked the poll and, uh, voted Hitler did

00:08:27.940 nothing wrong as the flavor of the new Mountain Dew. And I thought that was the most fucking

00:08:33.100 hilarious thing, uh, ever. I was like, what is this site 4chan? So that was how I became aware

00:08:37.840 of 4chan. I saw that in the news. Um, and, and I thought the reaction to it was quite hilarious.

00:08:43.880 And I was really disappointed that Mountain Dew didn't go through with it. I really wanted them

00:08:47.520 to make the Hitler did nothing wrong cans. And I wanted to buy one. And I was like, why wouldn't

00:08:50.920 they make that? That's hilarious. Uh, anyway, so there was like echoes of things. Uh, I, uh,

00:08:58.260 I, I became kind of fascinated with almost like pretending to be a Nazi for comedic value. Like

00:09:04.860 I was like an ironic, I was an irony bro Nazi in a conversation. Um, and, uh, yeah, I used

00:09:12.180 to have really long blonde hair. My hair has gotten darker as I got older, but I had, I was

00:09:16.460 a metal head teenager and had long hair down to like, you know, down to my chest. And,

00:09:22.580 um, we have this thing in Australia. I don't know if they have it in other countries called

00:09:26.060 like the world's greatest shave. It's like, basically you get people to sponsor you to

00:09:29.520 shave your head and then you give the money to like cancer research or something. So I

00:09:33.860 did that and I shaved my head full skinhead. And then, um, and then people at school, I

00:09:39.380 was about 15 or 16 and the people at school started saying, Oh, you're a skinhead. Uh, and

00:09:44.840 I was like, yeah, whole Hitler motherfucker. You know, I'm a skinhead. And I realized the

00:09:48.740 non-white kids at school, they, but they didn't realize I was joking. They like literally thought

00:09:53.040 I was a skinhead and they acted completely differently. They were like all intimidated

00:09:56.600 and that made me feel pretty cool. So like, I kind of felt this kind of pull towards, uh,

00:10:04.380 towards Nazism of sorts, but it didn't ideologically form. My politics was more, I was more of just

00:10:10.000 like a libertarian, um, anti-establishment. Uh, I knew that the people who ran the world,

00:10:15.800 uh, were the bankers. I knew that, uh, politics was fraudulent. I knew that there was malevolent

00:10:21.320 forces in control. I knew that a lot of those bankers were Jewish. Um, but I didn't put,

00:10:28.980 I didn't connect all the dots on the significance of race, uh, uh, necessarily. Uh, although I didn't,

00:10:36.000 I was, I was open-minded. I just wasn't really exposed. And then as I got into my late teens,

00:10:40.980 I started becoming exposed largely through libertarian internet community. So this is in

00:10:45.580 like the early, early, uh, to mid 2010s. So I probably became an ideological white nationalist

00:10:50.600 around 2014, 2015. Um, because that was a time at which there was this really strong libertarian to,

00:10:57.760 uh, you know, nationalist or libertarian to fascist pipeline on the internet. Uh, I remember basically

00:11:04.800 race got brought into a lot of libertarian arguments. Like I remember arguing about gun

00:11:08.440 rights, for example, you know, in Australia, we don't have gun rights. Uh, and a lot of

00:11:12.940 Australians have this kind of perverse pseudo patriotism about how we don't have gun rights

00:11:17.840 and how this makes us better than the Americans for some reason, because America is always having

00:11:21.500 mass shootings. And, uh, look at all the shootings that are happening in America.

00:11:25.220 We don't have a lot more, honestly. Now it's all the Chinese shooting everyone. So yeah.

00:11:30.800 Well, yeah, of course, but I always thought guns were cool. So I was like, no,

00:11:34.360 I want to have a gun. It's bullshit that I don't have a gun. Uh, I want to have one. I want to be

00:11:39.320 able to, like, if anyone else has a gun, I want to have a gun so that I can defend myself. Um,

00:11:45.060 and it just always seemed logical to me. I guess I'm an Anglo-Saxon. I believe in my ancient rights

00:11:50.240 instinctively. And so I was, I was against that position and I would argue, but then often,

00:11:54.780 even when arguing with Australians, we'd have to argue about America because America is the test case for

00:11:59.680 a country that actually has gun rights. So, uh, when arguing about the United States,

00:12:05.780 when you look at it, when you break it down state by state, I remember like, there was like this

00:12:08.660 Stefan Molyneux video I watched back in like 2014 on the truth about, uh, gun crime or something.

00:12:14.400 I remember that one actually. Yes.

00:12:16.020 Yeah. And he just went through how it doesn't matter how liberal or conservative each state is,

00:12:20.760 how, because, you know, obviously in blue states, they've got a lot of restrictions on guns,

00:12:24.920 almost to the point that you don't actually have gun rights in states like Illinois or New York.

00:12:30.240 It's almost like a European country or Australia with the way that the gun laws are. Whereas

00:12:34.440 obviously in the red states or even blue states that are quite homogenous, like I believe in like

00:12:38.780 Vermont or something. Like, I don't think they have that many restrictions on guns, even though it's

00:12:42.360 a Democrat state because, well, they don't have any blacks. Anyway, the point is, is that, uh,

00:12:47.100 that's the conclusion. The conclusion is it doesn't matter what your gun laws are. The states that have a

00:12:51.620 lot of blacks have more gun crime. The states that don't have a lot of blacks have almost

00:12:54.800 no gun crime. It doesn't matter how liberal or conservative they are. It doesn't matter what

00:12:58.460 their restrictions are. Uh, and obviously we know that like the crime rate is way higher with blacks.

00:13:04.320 So, whereas if you look at like white Americans with gun, with gun rights, their murder rate is

00:13:08.940 the same as white Australians, uh, even though we don't have gun rights. So, you know, if you want

00:13:13.360 to kill someone, you figure it out, whether guns are legal or illegal. So anyway, the point is,

00:13:18.780 is that, uh, that, that forced me to make like a racist, like a race realist argument,

00:13:24.340 basically to defend a component of libertarianism. And then I started developing other race realist

00:13:28.440 arguments from the libertarian discourse at the time about how, you know, why are they importing

00:13:33.420 Mexicans into the United States? Well, because they're going to vote for socialism, all these

00:13:37.120 kinds of things. So I started to become more racially conscious that if I wanted to have

00:13:41.180 the, my ancient Anglo-Saxon rights, I needed to be in a country, uh, full of Anglo-Saxons or at the

00:13:47.980 very least white people who agreed that we should have those rights, uh, because that's our culture.

00:13:53.120 And, uh, so that led me down a pipeline and then, you know, I was already kind of aware

00:13:57.800 of 4chan and so on. And that just led me down a pipeline where after thinking those thoughts,

00:14:01.540 it takes like three months and I'm, you know, I'm, I'm a Holocaust denier.

00:14:05.680 Then you're a Nazi.

00:14:07.160 Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that, so then I became, that's what I became. And then, uh, I, uh,

00:14:13.800 I had this trajectory to become an intellectual that I, that I wanted to walk down the path of.

00:14:18.520 And, uh, so basically I was reading books and so on. And I thought if I kind of work

00:14:25.020 through the system, eventually I can occupy a position, you know, in academia and then

00:14:29.060 become like a based academic or something.

00:14:31.640 Well, that should be sales.

00:14:33.480 Yeah. I was walking down, I was trying to go down that path for a little, you know,

00:14:36.760 a couple of years there. And then, uh, ultimately I just came to the realization that that doesn't

00:14:41.600 make any sense. Like as soon as I reveal my power level, I'm going to get removed from these

00:14:47.240 institutions. Why am I trying to build a career in this trajectory? And around that time, I became

00:14:51.160 friends with, uh, another Australian YouTuber, dissident, right. YouTuber at the time who, who

00:14:57.160 went by the moniker true dill Tom, people might remember him. He deleted his account, uh, years

00:15:01.720 ago, but he was kind of like Keith woods before Keith woods. Um, he was, uh, he kind of had this,

00:15:07.520 um, you know, this youthful exuberance and intellectual bent and so on. We became, uh, personal

00:15:14.240 friends and, uh, he, he was like, Oh, can you do a podcast with me on Julius, some Julius

00:15:20.220 Evelyn book? I can't remember which one it was. I think it was the metaphysics of war

00:15:22.800 or something. I said, yeah, sure. That sounds fun. So we did a podcast and then he's like,

00:15:27.460 can we do another podcast? Let's do one on like, then we did like Spengler's Prussianism

00:15:31.800 and Socialism or something. We just started doing all these intellectual podcasts and I started

00:15:36.420 to get like a, a kind of a vibe for it. I kind of quite enjoyed the, he had a big audience,

00:15:42.260 so it felt good to be able to kind of engage with academic literature in a public way. So

00:15:48.380 that kind of drew me into starting my own YouTube channel and doing my own podcasts and so on.

00:15:54.020 And at first it was a very intellectual thing. Like a lot of my content was really, um, based

00:15:59.580 around academic subjects, uh, with an obvious political bent. Uh, but then over time I just

00:16:06.240 kind of got like sucked more and more into like actual activism. So that's kind of probably been

00:16:12.800 my transformation is, uh, I kind of, uh, trying to be like a racist intellectual commentator to

00:16:19.640 just, um, trying to fuse that with, uh, walking the path of the activist, which is kind of where

00:16:25.540 I am now. And the big issue we're all dealing with is mass immigration, right? That is the big

00:16:31.360 thing. Now I want to find out how Australia, like what was their heart seller act? This is a question

00:16:36.880 for both of you because America, we can look at the heart seller act 1965 gates of immigration just

00:16:43.080 started opening. The floodgates were wide open. People started coming in. Now, how did Australia

00:16:47.740 in particular open the doors to mass immigration? Cause I remember hearing stories where they used

00:16:52.780 to blow up invader boats and now you're welcoming them with, with open arms.

00:16:57.420 You mean through legislation, it wasn't really done through legislation here because the white

00:17:02.320 Australia policy, the white Australia policy was largely implemented bureaucratically. Uh,

00:17:08.700 when Australia was founded in 1901, the, uh, founders wanted to put the white Australia policy

00:17:15.720 in our constitution. Uh, the British, however, did not approve of that because they were trying

00:17:21.660 to build an alliance with the Japanese at the time. They thought it would be offensive to them

00:17:25.720 and potentially other non-white international partners. And so they said, you can have your

00:17:29.820 white Australia policy, but just don't be so explicit about it. So, um, the way that it was

00:17:35.940 implemented, yeah, like there were immigration and restriction, uh, uh, powers given to the

00:17:41.200 immigration bureaucracy, but then they just filled the bureaucracy with racists. And so then there was

00:17:46.840 literally people in the Australian immigration bureaucracy in like the 1930s who, if someone wanted to

00:17:51.920 immigrate here from Europe, they would send, um, you know, a picture of themselves and then analyze

00:17:57.360 it. Like, does this guy look Jewish? And if they look Jewish, they'd like reject the application.

00:18:01.520 Um, that would have been the coolest job, but, uh, yeah, but they also had dictation tests. So

00:18:06.820 basically if anyone came and the dictation test could be not just given in English, but they could

00:18:11.080 just choose any language basically that they wanted to, they had like this list of languages.

00:18:14.980 So someone, someone could be non-white, but could speak English. And so they just make them sit the

00:18:19.880 test in French, knowing that they couldn't speak French, they could just fail them. So it was done

00:18:24.340 in this indirect way. Then basically the bureaucracy got, um, taken over by Jews through the 1960s.

00:18:33.380 Uh, and, uh, basically like the Jewish community in Australia subverted, uh, the institution, uh, got

00:18:40.720 themselves in charge of it. And at the same time, um, you know, political currents were changing.

00:18:45.820 This is the 1960s, the rest of the world, you know, uh, Britain, the United States, uh, ripping up,

00:18:52.620 um, well, they're completely changing their immigration policies, obviously around this time.

00:18:59.220 And, you know, at, at the end of world war II, we were kind of stuck with the Americans. We were in

00:19:03.860 the British empire. Obviously the empire collapsed in world war II because, you know, we won that war

00:19:08.520 against the Germans. That's why our empire collapsed. And so we were kind of stuck now with

00:19:12.780 the Americans as, you know, the British basically abandoned us in the region, uh, and the Americans

00:19:18.900 stepped in and we fought the Japanese together. And so, and then now the threat of communism was

00:19:24.400 directly in our region with obviously, um, China and various other Asian States, uh, falling to

00:19:31.200 communism. Uh, you know, we were really involved in the Korean war, the Vietnam war and so on. And we

00:19:36.160 were all the way with the Americans in the cold war. And so we were like, yes, we have to maintain,

00:19:40.900 you know, like white power in, uh, you know, the Asia Pacific region. It's so good that we've got

00:19:44.960 the Americans with us and the Americans like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're here to defend liberal

00:19:48.340 democracy. Don't be saying that white power stuff to like the Australian diplomats in like the 1940s,

00:19:53.800 uh, 1950s. So we used to have, you know, a strong white nationalist country, uh, up until that

00:19:59.660 point, but we were kind of cucked by international trends and internal weakness. Like we had a,

00:20:05.040 you know, a liberal democratic system that was became progressively more tolerant, uh, you know,

00:20:10.300 through phases after world war two, we started accepting Mediterranean and Slavic immigrants

00:20:15.460 where we didn't even really accept those prior to the second world war. We had a pretty much

00:20:19.480 a Nordicist immigration policy. Um, and then, you know, a lot of Jews came in, in fact, American

00:20:26.080 jury funded, uh, ships where we were like, well, we'll open the, we'll open our, uh, our, uh,

00:20:32.040 our doors to Italians, to Greeks. These countries have been destroyed by the second world war. A lot

00:20:37.400 of people want to immigrate. And we realized in the second world war, we only had like 4 million

00:20:41.220 people on this entire continent. We faced an existential threat from the Japanese empire.

00:20:46.380 We need to basically, the idea was populate or perish. We need more people. And we can't just,

00:20:52.020 the idea was that basically the amount of immigrants we were getting from Britain wasn't

00:20:55.700 going to be enough. So they said we can bring in some Italians and some Greeks and so on.

00:21:00.220 Some criminals. I'm teasing.

00:21:01.780 But then as, as we open the door to the Italians and the Greeks, then American, uh, jury starts

00:21:07.120 basically hijacking, um, the program and funding a bunch of Jews from Europe to then immigrate

00:21:13.700 to Australia. They get established in Australia. Basically then American jury, uh, sets them up

00:21:20.020 with a series of loans. They take over the property developer industry in Australia. Uh, they become

00:21:25.380 embedded in a lot of political institutions and the Jewish community, which wasn't really that

00:21:29.320 powerful at all, or didn't really have any real significant influence prior to the second

00:21:33.160 world war became way more influential. Like the only reason Australia developed ASIO, which

00:21:39.020 is basically our primary intelligence agency was because a bunch of Jews came from Europe

00:21:45.200 after the second world war. Um, and then they immediately infiltrated the government and started

00:21:50.000 giving state secrets away to the Soviet union. And the Americans couldn't even trust us with,

00:21:54.320 uh, you know, basically secure information. Um, and so we had to basically reform our entire

00:22:00.760 security state because prior to the second world war, we had such a high trust society. It was so

00:22:04.580 homogenous. We didn't even need to have a formal intelligence agency. We just didn't have any

00:22:09.100 fucking traitors in the country. So that was a, um, that was a big shift. And then, yeah, from the

00:22:15.520 forties to the late sixties, you just see this gradual kind of erosion, you know, this kind of

00:22:21.020 globalist culture gets projected in the television is invented. It's like the same story in every

00:22:25.880 white country, basically. That's the same model at that point, right? Starts seeping in. Uh,

00:22:30.840 Thomas, anything you wanted to add? Yeah, Joel's got a very good understanding,

00:22:34.500 very strong understanding of the history. Uh, the only thing that I would add to it is all of the

00:22:40.280 prime ministers at the time that threw us under the bus and sided with world jury. They,

00:22:45.860 their, their, uh, their push politically to transform Australia from a white nation into

00:22:51.860 a multicultural nation or multiracial nation, uh, came the, the, the crucial years were between

00:22:57.660 1966 and 1975. So you hear this everywhere. This is the same crucial years as America, the

00:23:03.020 same crucial years as, as Britain. And in, in that period of time, the Jews had been in

00:23:08.320 Australia in significant numbers, in enough numbers to properly politically mobilize, uh,

00:23:12.840 for at least 20 years. And that gave them the time to start building these, uh, lobby groups,

00:23:19.500 these ethnic lobby groups, and they disguised all these lobby groups with all these different

00:23:23.320 names. So they were called strange names like, uh, you know, community affairs or lobby for,

00:23:31.180 you know, a future Australia, or, you know, they, they had all these like, uh, very, uh, almost

00:23:37.100 meaningless names, but some of them were actually like organized lobbies for world jury or international

00:23:41.600 jury or whatever Zionist federations. And they had so many of these lobbies and they just put a front

00:23:47.760 man, like a rabbi in charge of each one. And then they put all this sort of like, the Jews are very

00:23:52.660 good at just like mounting paperwork, uh, you know, on top of a politician, you know, they just love

00:23:57.640 coming to court. They don't need the truth. They don't need like the Jewish legal system, uh, is like

00:24:03.080 kind of the opposite of like a, what is it? Laconic or Spadan kind of legal system. It's, it's not

00:24:08.580 really about who's correct. It's not about who's right. It's not about who's thorough and you know,

00:24:13.460 10 words can, can beat a thousand lies. Um, they're more about the thousand lies. And so they just

00:24:19.640 mounted all this paperwork on the government to say that all these different communities would

00:24:25.060 benefit if we didn't have, um, such strict, uh, immigration laws. And there was a test case,

00:24:32.620 maybe 10 years earlier where there was a, an Australian soldier, I believe that came back from the Korean

00:24:37.740 war with a Korean war bride and it was national news. It was like the biggest travesty at the

00:24:43.720 time. It was like, everyone was gossiping about it. All the sort of low end news newspapers were all

00:24:49.220 having a go at this guy basically for picking up an age, like one Asian war bride was national news

00:24:54.100 back in the 50s. It was like a, it was like a test case. And I can't remember the exact details. I'm

00:24:59.260 sure someone in the chat will know, but, uh, the test case was, I'm pretty sure the, the, the whole

00:25:04.420 country wanted him deported to Korea. They were just like, uh, and I think there was a quote from

00:25:08.840 one of the most senior politicians of the day that says something like two Wongs don't make a white.

00:25:12.980 And there's just all this like hilarious, like memeology, like racist banter is just at the core

00:25:18.680 of Australian spiritual and political discourse. And, uh, anyway, they, the real power that the Jews

00:25:26.240 had wasn't in these fake lobbies. That was just all this mounting pressure is just so that the traitor

00:25:31.860 in government, when he's explaining to all the people that aren't necessarily on board

00:25:36.220 with his treason, he can say, Oh, but look at all this, you know, expert witness and expert

00:25:40.860 advice and all these lobbies. And they've got this kind of like intellectual and, and, uh,

00:25:46.160 legal backing behind them. But really what, what caused the shift was all of these prime

00:25:51.280 ministers during this time period and after are all multi multi-millionaires if they're still

00:25:55.480 alive. I mean, we're talking in the hundreds of millions of dollars and they, and they own

00:25:59.000 property, they own property. So the Jews took control of the property, um, development and

00:26:05.040 they let in these prime ministers on their, their boards as directors. Uh, when these prime

00:26:10.740 ministers left, uh, office, they became property developers and most of them became real estate

00:26:15.960 agents to China. Most of them, uh, would travel over regularly to China and they basically became

00:26:22.200 prostitutes, prostitutes of the property market. So they got paid more than 30 pieces of silver.

00:26:27.640 Uh, they got paid in the hundreds of millions of dollars to change the, these legislations in

00:26:32.080 the sixties and seventies to destroy our nation. So that's all I'll add.

00:26:36.720 And now Australia is full of Chinese. I remember even when I was there in 2008,

00:26:40.420 I would say that was the largest demographic that I saw like, Oh wow, there's lots of Chinese people

00:26:45.060 in Australia. I didn't expect that. Uh, no, what is the situation like today? Because I saw this

00:26:51.040 clip that was going around on X, uh, you know, Melbourne 2024. We can cue that up, play it. Uh,

00:26:56.620 what does it look like when you walk around Australia now, demographics wise? I mean,

00:27:01.660 are there areas where white people are a minority now? Now, now, now there's yellow flight to get

00:27:07.220 away from all the Indians and blacks. So. Yeah. Cause it's not a kumbaya fest with white

00:27:14.780 people out of the picture either. Yeah. Yeah. But that's the, that's the scale now. Like

00:27:19.640 the major, like when you Sydney and Melbourne are our two largest cities, about half the population

00:27:24.920 of Australia live in either Sydney or Melbourne. And both of those cities, I would say a majority

00:27:31.540 non-white Sydney, definitely Melbourne may be 50, 50 at best. I mean, this is, this has happened fast

00:27:39.400 too. I mean, quick. Yeah. When I was, when I was a kid, the country was well over 90% white.

00:27:44.760 Um, and I remember areas where I, where I lived and grew up in. And I remember, you know, my first

00:27:51.240 memories is like six, seven, eight years old. And just like, I would see one Asian and it would be

00:27:57.200 like kind of strange. And now you go to the same area and there isn't one white person there,

00:28:02.360 you know, like just total, total transformation at a very rapid speed. Um, you know, the last 10 to 20

00:28:09.260 years in particular, the accelerator pedal is just a brick has been thrown on it. Like when,

00:28:13.580 when the white Australia policy was, you know, first deconstructed in the seventies,

00:28:19.280 Oh, we fought this war against the Vietnamese and we probably shouldn't have done that. We

00:28:23.520 brutalized them. You know, all of the anti-Vietnam war propaganda was quite strong

00:28:27.580 at the time. Uh, so we should take some refugees from Vietnam because, you know,

00:28:32.900 you know, we, we kind of, we displaced them with our imperialism or whatever. And so that was,

00:28:38.620 they brought them in and then they started opening to the Chinese. And I mean, obviously I'm no fan of,

00:28:43.560 uh, yellow immigration, but the yellow races, uh, you know, maybe a little bit more agreeable

00:28:49.860 than some of the other ones. I think if they opened the gates and said, Hey, let's take a bunch of

00:28:53.940 immigrants from Nigeria. I don't think that people would have been as, uh, permissive. Right. So they,

00:28:59.780 they started bringing them in first. And then, and when you get to the nineties, then maybe some

00:29:04.260 middle Easterners start coming in. And then, um, yeah, the, uh, that created a reaction,

00:29:10.680 the anti-Islam reaction. And now lately it's like, I'm not going to say majority Indian,

00:29:16.580 but it's definitely the largest demographic. Like statistically Indians are the largest non-white

00:29:21.260 demographic in Australia. They're the fastest growing demographic in Australia. Hundreds and

00:29:25.960 hundreds of thousands of them come in every year. Our prime minister prostitutes himself

00:29:30.340 to the Indian government. Every time he meets with the Indian prime minister,

00:29:34.660 he has to sign a new agreement that makes it even easier for Indians to immigrate here.

00:29:39.340 Um, and, uh, yeah, they're just basically flooding the country, um, in a, in, in such a rapid way.

00:29:47.160 Now, are they telling you guys just like in America and everywhere else,

00:29:50.460 you need to celebrate becoming a minority. You stole the land from the aboriginals. You know,

00:29:54.880 we get that all the time. You don't own the land. You stole it. Uh, you know, racism, colonialism,

00:29:59.720 slavery. Therefore, you know, we get to flood you with the entire third world and you have to

00:30:03.900 celebrate it. And it's so wonderful to become a minority. Are you guys are getting the same kind

00:30:08.540 of arguments thrown at you, right? Yeah, more or less. But also they don't even have that argument

00:30:14.000 a lot of the time. They just talk about how great it is for the economy. Basically now all the media

00:30:18.580 reports are actually, this is really bad. It's causing a housing crisis. Um, we're taking too many

00:30:24.180 immigrants. Um, isn't that a, isn't that kind of a shame? Maybe we should, uh, and then we have

00:30:30.000 like a fake debate about how, should we reduce immigration by 20% or 30%, you know? And it's just

00:30:36.140 all framed in like economic, like language to make it as boring as possible. And so like the question

00:30:41.640 of identity isn't even raised in the positive or the negative. Um, that's basically the strategy

00:30:47.900 of mainstream politics because they know that immigration is wildly unpopular.

00:30:53.120 So they don't actually want the debate to go where we want the debate to go because

00:30:57.100 as soon as it goes there, it gets polarized inflammatory in a way that makes their position

00:31:02.200 untenable. So generally that's how Australian politics functions. They try to make Australian

00:31:07.060 politics as boring, non-ideological, uh, pragmatic and economistic as possible so that, uh, they

00:31:14.420 can try and get the population to check out and not pay attention and not identify with any

00:31:18.960 particular side of, of any issue and just keep, uh, you know, basically narrow-mindedly

00:31:25.140 focusing on entertainment and their personal lives. Australia is one of the most apolitical

00:31:29.780 societies, uh, probably in the world. You know, that's a real big contrast between us and I think

00:31:34.880 the United States, like in America, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, this is like

00:31:38.880 really socially important in Australia. Most people don't even discuss politics. Uh, insofar as they do,

00:31:44.960 they don't really have very robust political identities. Um, you know, they don't have

00:31:49.560 like, there isn't very strong party loyalty in the average person or anything like that or

00:31:53.440 ideological identity. Um, so that's more of the strategy. I think, yeah, like obviously leftists

00:32:00.240 say that, you know, yeah, we, we stole the land off the aboriginals. What right do we have? Uh, and

00:32:05.500 there was often like historical revisionism where they pretend like as if, because it is true that

00:32:11.620 in the 19th century, there were non-white immigration, there was non-white immigration

00:32:15.480 into Australia. We wasn't actually Australia yet. It was still a series of, uh, British colonies.

00:32:22.040 Um, but that's the whole reason actually why Australia was created because basically that

00:32:27.820 caused white nationalism to grow in Australia and the white nationalist movement basically

00:32:33.120 demanded that Australia be formed, uh, demanded this from the crown so that we could basically

00:32:39.220 deport all the non-whites and keep them out of the country. And the first thing that the Australian

00:32:43.380 government ever did once it was formed was literally pass the white Australia policy, literally

00:32:49.240 pass immigration restriction act and start. And they basically mass deported the non-whites that

00:32:54.280 were here, uh, almost entirely as like the first act of the Australian government. So they don't

00:32:59.280 actually teach, they don't ever mention any of that. Um, but to say, Oh, there's always been

00:33:04.140 Chinese people here and there's always been non-whites here and they've always contributed to the

00:33:07.860 country and, uh, don't they, they work so hard and, and, and, you know, that's typical kind

00:33:13.100 of everything is reduced to economics. Now you, you were saying that, you know, your average

00:33:17.980 person there doesn't really talk about politics. I remember that too, when I was there, although

00:33:21.580 I wasn't very political. Um, yeah, maybe they, they don't get involved in political discussion

00:33:26.500 until, uh, let's say you're a white nationalist, right? Then it becomes an issue. I mean, what are

00:33:33.380 the views on, you know, white supremacy with your average Australian?

00:33:37.280 I would say the discourse has changed massively in the last five years. And as Joel mentioned

00:33:41.800 earlier, we have had such a surge in Indians, uh, in the last five years. And I think this

00:33:47.100 is, uh, strategic from the, the Australian government. And, uh, I think it's also why the

00:33:52.760 Canadian government is doing it as well. Uh, there, there is potentially war with China

00:33:56.920 on the cards and we have a fifth column of somewhere between, you know, one and three

00:34:04.340 million Chinese people in this country, depending on whether you count citizens, permanent residents,

00:34:08.360 students, or all the various different types of visas where they can teach yoga or paint nails

00:34:13.580 or something, um, as a, as a skilled worker, of course. And so the government is really trying

00:34:20.260 to, they've realized they've unbalanced when Canada and Australia talk about where the most

00:34:24.700 successful, uh, you know, multicultural societies, what they're talking about is, is they're

00:34:29.600 gloating. They're saying we have most successfully worked out how to balance all the fifth columns.

00:34:34.000 So no one fifth column stands out. So we've got a series of fifth columns, so many of them

00:34:40.140 that we can keep the table up. It doesn't displace the table. So what they're doing is they're

00:34:47.040 pumping the country full of Indians to try to, uh, you know, re-stabilize their fifth columns

00:34:53.240 so that China doesn't have this. They need at least as many Indian security guards to lock as

00:34:58.280 many Chinese people in the camps as they can, if we did actually go to war, um, and to negate their

00:35:02.980 influence. But at the same time, they are flooding the country with a lot of Arabs. They are flooding

00:35:06.300 the country with way more Africans than there's ever been. And that's another factor. We never had

00:35:10.460 Africans. We had, when I was in high school, I only knew of one African family in 10 grid squares.

00:35:17.400 And I, and they were the child of some African warlord where we gave some African country $20

00:35:22.600 million. And the guy just like took all the money and then fled to Australia. Um, and, and that was

00:35:28.260 the only African in the entire like Eastern suburbs that I grew up in. Obviously some of the other

00:35:33.320 areas had been hit by Africans, the bioweapon a little earlier, maybe five years earlier, but there

00:35:38.300 were no Africans in Australia. It was like not even 0.001% of the population. And now they're starting to get,

00:35:45.940 I think over, over 0.5% of the population. And obviously, you know, this sounds really small,

00:35:51.240 but they breed at a very high rate and certain suburbs they've completely taken over. So what

00:35:56.640 white people are seeing, in my opinion, is they've seen a relatively successful multiculturalism. And I

00:36:02.840 don't like to use that, that term, that's their term, but what they've seen is a multiculturalism

00:36:06.800 where it's sort of kumbaya. It's kind of kumbaya. It's kind of all worked out. We've just got,

00:36:12.740 you know, the boomers will say, but how good's the food? And now our generation specifically

00:36:17.420 can't get a rental as you put up. They, that the mortgages are through the roof, um, because the

00:36:23.260 demand on housing is so high. Uh, people, suburbs have been completely either Chinese-ified if you

00:36:29.920 grew up in a kind of upper class area, or they've been Indian-ified if you're in a kind of lower

00:36:34.340 middle class area, or they've been Africanized if you're in a really lower class working class area.

00:36:38.960 So there's every demo or, or in, uh, in, in, uh, some instances, it's been sort of like Arabs

00:36:45.500 can kind of blend through the three. Uh, there's rich Arabs. Yeah. Pacific Islanders as well, if

00:36:49.940 you're in a poor area. So every, uh, white person in Australia has experienced the negatives of

00:36:55.720 diversity by one or multiple ethnic groups. Um, and they've watched these fifth columns take over

00:37:02.380 suburbs. So especially in the last five years, it's been so rapid. It's, it's been so

00:37:08.940 rapid. I think up until a couple of years ago, the majority of our immigrants, even though we were

00:37:13.160 immigrating a lot of Chinese, the majority of our immigration was still, uh, European. Um, we were

00:37:19.080 still getting like about 40% from England alone. I think like 10, 15% from New Zealand, which again,

00:37:24.120 was mostly white flight people running away from the sort of high taxation and Maori love that New

00:37:29.020 Zealand's obsessed with like my family. And, um, yeah, so it was still majority white. Now it's not

00:37:34.600 majority white. And like the area that I live in the East, outer Eastern suburbs of Melbourne,

00:37:39.620 when I just moved here about three or four years ago, Oh, actually it was before prisons probably

00:37:42.920 four years ago. Um, it was probably 10% Indian. And now it's probably like 50 or 60% Indian.

00:37:48.980 And it's just rapid. And also there's been a completely, complete different change in the

00:37:54.560 type of Indian as well. So when we grew up, uh, I lived in a multicultural area, went to a multicultural

00:38:00.160 school and there were people in my friendship group that were Chinese or Sri Lankan or Indian,

00:38:05.040 and their fathers were all highly educated. They were very Anglicized. They spoke very properly

00:38:10.920 with a very proper, so English or American accent. They went to international schools. Um, they were

00:38:16.380 kind of the upper class of China, Korea, India, Sri Lanka. Um, they were almost always Christians as

00:38:22.240 well. So that almost all of them actually got their visas through the church. So that's something

00:38:27.180 that's not mentioned much, but I mentioned it because I'm allowed to be critical, but they, uh,

00:38:32.580 that was the kind of Indians and Chinese that we were getting. We weren't getting these kind of

00:38:38.080 really low caste, uh, fake educated, like they've got the piece of paper saying they're an engineer,

00:38:43.560 but it's obviously a fraud piece of paper. Um, they're very low IQ. They don't speak English,

00:38:48.620 most of them. And if they do, it's very poorly. Um, and so people are no longer getting, uh,

00:38:54.840 they're no longer interacting with a Chinese person or an Indian person that is putting on

00:38:59.480 the white flesh. You know, these Chinese and Indians that moved here 20 years ago,

00:39:03.400 they were, they, they, they were had the white flesh on, they were skin walkers.

00:39:08.280 So they can kind of make it work and kind of be successful in a way.

00:39:11.900 Yeah. They could walk and talk and act. And I remember going, I had a Sri Lankan friend in

00:39:16.920 primary school and I would go to his house and his father was a banker and actually worked with one

00:39:20.560 of my family friends who was also a banker, like a branch branch banker and, um, like your local

00:39:26.160 banker, not like fucking some big Jew. And, uh, you know what I mean? Like you're anyway, not a

00:39:30.760 teller, but like, you know, a branch manager anyway. So, uh, and he would talk with this proper English

00:39:36.560 accent and, you know, uh, you know, you talk about all the things that we did in school and it was like

00:39:41.580 a skin walker. It was like the Sri Lankan guy just acting and walking and talking exactly like us.

00:39:46.160 And it was, it was fascinating, but now it's just everywhere you go, everywhere you go now,

00:39:52.760 it's just like, you're surrounded by thousands of Indians and they're all speaking Punjabi or Hindi

00:39:59.840 or whatever. And they're all on the phone constantly. So you go into a seven 11 and then

00:40:04.320 you're like, yeah, pump six. And then the guy, uh, you know, you go into a, as you go into a gas

00:40:09.560 station, you go into server and the, the, the, the guy's like, you go up to the Indian and you're

00:40:14.560 like, yeah, pump six. And the guy's like, and then he's like, sorry, what? Sorry. And you're

00:40:23.240 like, and you're like pump, pump six. And he's like, God, that's annoying. $89, $89. And you're

00:40:34.580 like, what the trick you guys? Like, okay, we'll have the best of these races come in and show you

00:40:41.100 how awesome multiculturalism and diversity can be. And then eventually we'll just let in, you know,

00:40:45.940 the, the scum of the world, right. And flood you until you're a minority. Yeah. Yes. But that's not

00:40:53.360 also an argument saying, oh, we want merit-based mass immigration or population replacement either.

00:40:59.160 Great argument against it. Actually, it shows, uh, the pitfalls. I'd much rather have the terrible

00:41:05.780 immigrants so that people become more racist and realize what we're dealing with. Yeah. So let's

00:41:10.900 talk about activist persecution in Australia. I mean, how bad is it? I saw Elijah Schaefer put up

00:41:17.480 this tweet getting into a little bit about what's happening there. And it's like America, you know,

00:41:23.000 we've been debanked. We've been banned from all kinds of platforms written about by, you know,

00:41:27.940 all the journalists and called all kinds of things. But this is happening in Australia to debanked.

00:41:32.680 You're getting banned. Federal police is calling, was it gyms and pressuring to cancel your memberships

00:41:38.180 even, uh, stopping by, you know, houses for like basically wellness checks. Right. So how bad

00:41:44.960 is, how bad is it? I know they were doing some of this stuff during COVID too is insane, but now

00:41:49.980 they're really, you know, focusing on nationalists again. Right. Have you seen this list? Thomas,

00:41:54.620 are you reading it? Yeah, we, we, uh, gave them this list.

00:41:57.400 I'll, I'll let Joel answer this one to start with, because I'm not sure exactly how much

00:42:02.860 we can say on this, on, on the Schaefer question. Cause we did an interview with Schaefer. I'm sure

00:42:08.840 Joel can start off and then. Yeah. Well, yeah, well, I mean, as for the persecution of nationalist

00:42:15.580 activists in Australia, it's not as bad as in Britain. I would say the UK probably is the worst

00:42:23.580 country in the world for persecuting white nationalists other than, I guess, maybe the

00:42:27.480 Russian Federation, um, and Germany. Yeah. Yeah. Russia and Germany would be the two worst.

00:42:34.400 Yeah. Yeah. But like the, the Germans have kind of adapted, uh, because they've been under

00:42:39.220 occupation for so long. So they have a, they've adapted more to that environment where like,

00:42:43.620 I think, uh, in Britain, people thought that we had rights, uh, and then they tried to exercise

00:42:48.760 their rights and, you know, people like Sam Amelia are now in jail and they're banned from even like

00:42:53.520 seeing pictures of their own, uh, you know, newborn babies because, uh, because they made

00:42:58.360 stickers that, um, that were too nationalistic or something. So obviously we're not at that level

00:43:03.100 yet. Um, but in Australia, the, uh, you know, basically like the state has admitted, like the

00:43:10.540 security services had, have admitted that between about a half and a third of their resources go on,

00:43:18.220 uh, white nationalism. Jeez. Uh, and, uh, and the rest goes on, I guess, like Islamic terrorism

00:43:25.300 and maybe like Chinese subversion or something. Um, anyway, so yeah, they've got however many

00:43:33.200 thousands of agents, um, listening to every single one of Tom and I's phone calls and, uh,

00:43:38.960 and so on, I guess, I don't know what they do. We're law abiding citizens. So they probably,

00:43:44.300 they have to waste a lot of their time, uh, surveilling us and realizing that we're law

00:43:48.980 abiding citizens, but basically, yeah, any, any, uh, little thing that they can do, uh,

00:43:56.160 to drag one of our guys before the courts on some ridiculous charge. Uh, we've seen a lot of that

00:44:02.860 lately. Um, Tom is getting harassed by police who are trying to, uh, right now actually trying to put

00:44:10.080 charges on him for leading a peaceful political rally, uh, down a street where no, no violent

00:44:16.760 altercations occurred. No one got hurt. Uh, no projectiles were thrown, literally just marched

00:44:22.940 down the street, chanting, marched back, went home. Uh, apparently this is, uh, they're investigating

00:44:28.960 him for the crime of quote, grossly offensive behavior. So apparently there's a law now in the

00:44:34.040 state of Victoria that grossly offensive behavior is a crime, whatever that means. So apparently if,

00:44:40.540 uh, you're in public and you, and you have a political slogan that offends somebody, um,

00:44:47.980 that's a crime. Uh, but it's not a crime if you're a gay Mardi Gras and you're dancing naked in front

00:44:53.560 of like children. I might find that grossly offensive, but I'm a Nazi. So therefore doesn't

00:44:59.020 count for some reason. So yeah, it is, it is pretty crazy. Like the, uh, uh, the level of,

00:45:05.260 um, absurdity that they're taking things. Uh, we have, uh, other associates who are also being

00:45:11.060 dragged before the courts for quote unquote, grossly offensive behavior. I think, uh, in their

00:45:15.740 instance, uh, what happened was they had, uh, t-shirts on the t-shirt was a chud jack. Uh, if people

00:45:22.220 don't know what a chud jack is, I guess, Google it. And it said, uh, 6 million. That's a bit much

00:45:26.820 made underneath the chud jack. And they were, uh, throwing Roman salutes. Now Roman salutes are

00:45:31.340 now illegal in Australia. Uh, you can go to jail for doing a Roman salute in public. Um, that was

00:45:37.280 laws that, uh, the Jews really pushed for in response to us basically. Um, because, uh, previously,

00:45:44.560 uh, Tom in particular was a very big fan of the Roman salute. Now we can't do it, but, uh, but

00:45:50.400 unfortunately, um, Tom, do you do them at home when you make coffee in the morning?

00:45:54.040 Are you doing salutes in the morning?

00:45:56.780 I, I know that Jacob Persson does them at home all the time. Uh, I've kind of got my

00:46:01.860 technique down pat.

00:46:02.940 Come on, we gotta have fun with this. My God.

00:46:05.600 Can't even have it.

00:46:06.060 It is fun. I, I thought, yeah, it's spiritual. Um, the reason why I was saying before, I'm

00:46:10.600 not sure how, how deep we can go into this subject was, uh, very recently, uh, Joel and

00:46:15.420 I did, uh, did interviews with Elijah Schaefer. And I think that's what stimulated him to make

00:46:19.740 that post about police persecution.

00:46:21.480 Yes. Uh, not just because of what happened to Michael Nelson, but also, uh, uh, the largest

00:46:26.860 chunk of the interview that I did with him was, uh, on police persecution. Um, so I don't

00:46:32.140 want to double up the subject too much because that will, will be released in the future, but

00:46:35.260 I wasn't sure if we could talk about it yet. Cause Elijah was trying to get out of Australia

00:46:38.680 without being hassled by ASIO because just talking to me, uh, in this country can cause you

00:46:44.080 some issues and the police do that on purpose. They can see that what we're doing is working,

00:46:48.800 that our metapolitical strategy is effective and that we are changing public discourse

00:46:54.180 through inspiration, through passion, through courage, um, and just being able to go against

00:47:00.060 the grain, to go against the flow of this communist subversion, uh, and to just be a symbol of standing

00:47:06.140 up to that and not bowing down to that. And as you put these photos up, these young guys

00:47:10.520 here are in our organization. And he just had his bank account banned to write the guy

00:47:15.340 on the left. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, he did. The guy on the left. Yeah. And, uh, those two young

00:47:19.840 guys, um, they came to me, uh, they've been involved for over two years now and about 12

00:47:25.540 months of them being involved in the organization. They actually came to me and one of them tried

00:47:29.120 to fly somewhere or he tried to go somewhere. I can't remember what, what the exact circumstance

00:47:33.080 was, but he was told by someone within the bureaucracy of the government that he, he was a national

00:47:38.640 security threat that he was defined as an, oh, one of his brothers is in the army. One

00:47:43.620 of them, their brother is in the army and their brother had to basically disassociate from them

00:47:48.180 because they're a national security threat. And these were just guys that were coming down

00:47:51.460 to the park and we were just training. We were doing pushups at the park. We're going

00:47:54.820 for a run. That's right. Didn't you have like a boxing fitness club too? And they were worried

00:47:59.280 about it because they're okay. Because you can start a military with that, right? Guys, white

00:48:04.160 guys working out and being able to defend themselves. I mean, they're freaking out about the

00:48:08.380 fetching about that all over the West. We would never do that, wouldn't we? We would never try

00:48:10.900 and stop that. They're freaking, they're freaking out for many reasons, but to, to clarify the,

00:48:15.840 that list of Schaefer's things, that, that list is basically all the things that I covered

00:48:19.560 in that interview with him. So yeah, that, I think it's very important for people to realize that

00:48:27.220 strength creates strength, strength in others. And when there's a symbol of a man, it's not even the

00:48:35.960 man himself, but when a symbol of a man stands up and that's why the Roman salute was so significant.

00:48:42.460 And that's why I love the Roman salute so much because, uh, every time I went to court and they

00:48:46.980 were trying to make me out, like I was evil and horrible because I defended myself or defended those

00:48:51.520 that I cared about. Uh, they always try to make it out. Like I was, um, a shameful, horrible character

00:48:58.000 and they would always take photos of me, uh, when I was walking out of the court or they would wait for

00:49:03.380 me to start talking and then they would get like, managed to get a, uh, a screen grab. They would

00:49:07.980 even use photos that they took. They would use screen grabs from the videos of me, like mid sentence

00:49:12.460 going like. Classic. Yeah. You know, like they're just the most disgusting. They want to make you look

00:49:18.360 bad. That's their job. The most kind of disgusting form of like journalism. Uh, yeah, I love that image.

00:49:23.720 That's a great painting. And then I realized like, you can't just be reasonable and rational with these

00:49:29.180 people. You can sit there and have the most articulate and intellectual and polite conversation

00:49:34.000 about why you believe what you believe. And they'll just screen grab your face in a contorted

00:49:39.640 manner, put that up and then put this like doom and gloom caption over who you are. And I was just

00:49:45.980 like, fuck it. It's mask off. Every time I go to court, I'm just throwing a Roman. I'm just going to

00:49:50.680 stand there and then, and they'll take a photo of that. And I, and I worked out that that will be what

00:49:55.240 the photo they'll use. They'll use that because that's so horrible from their perspective. But

00:49:59.740 what it, what I believe that it did to the discourse was so many people are afraid of

00:50:06.600 journalists. They're afraid of the confrontation. They're afraid of being shamed. And I see the media

00:50:14.180 and it's smear campaign similar to your, you're in a village. I like to condense everything down to a

00:50:21.220 hundred people and think of like a village mindset and understand what dynamic is going on in that

00:50:26.020 tribe or that village. And how is that affecting the village? And then can you expand that philosophy

00:50:32.240 or that, that, uh, microcosm into the macrocosm of a hundred million people or a billion people.

00:50:38.520 And I saw this smear campaign, this doxing from journalists and online antifa and stuff as just,

00:50:45.580 they want to parade you through the town and throw rotten vegetables at you.

00:50:48.460 And if you kind of cower and hide your face, you know, if you do stuff like that, then,

00:50:55.360 then you deserve the tomatoes, you deserve the rotten tomatoes. And the public, like, yeah,

00:50:59.780 look at this coward, look at the shameful character. Let's throw the cabbages at his head.

00:51:04.380 And all that hurt him that affected him. But if you just stand there and throw a Roman salute,

00:51:09.380 they can throw as many tomatoes as they want. Eventually going to stop throwing tomatoes.

00:51:12.700 You'd be like, these tomatoes aren't working. This guy, you can't shame this guy,

00:51:16.020 no matter how much you, you, you throw your crap at him. It's just like, you're just a crap

00:51:20.760 thrower. You're just a crap thrower. And all these doxers and antifers and stuff, when we just say,

00:51:25.800 yes, okay, yes, I'm a Nazi. Yes. I'm a supremacist. Yes. I'm a, whatever it is you think I'm short.

00:51:31.300 Yes, absolutely. And you stand there and you're fit and healthy and you're, you throw the Roman.

00:51:36.800 And it's just, it just emanates. It's a spiritual war. And that's why the Jews had to ban it. The

00:51:42.900 Jews saw my strategy, like in spot, like all these young kids started throwing it. I was,

00:51:47.920 after I was taking photos, after I had the photo taken of the Roman salute like that. And after we

00:51:53.180 had a few rallies and we're throwing the Roman salute at the rally, I would just drive past,

00:51:57.540 you know, on my way home from work. And there would be like year 12 kids in their blazes at the bus

00:52:03.200 stop waiting for a bus and I'll be at the lights and I just throw a Roman at them. I would just

00:52:08.120 throw a Roman at them because it wasn't illegal at that point. So I would just be like, that's just

00:52:11.520 a social experiment. I'd throw a Roman at them, just healthy white footie boys, you know, footie

00:52:15.440 boys in their school uniforms and, and sometimes girls as well with them. And I would throw a Roman

00:52:20.340 and they would almost always throw it back. And the girls would all giggle. And I'm just thinking

00:52:24.440 of the psychology. Because it's fun because you're not supposed to do it, right? I mean, come on,

00:52:28.660 it's the, it's the cookie jar syndrome. Yeah. And I would drive off at the lights. I

00:52:33.140 drive off and I look in the rear view mirror and there'd just be 18 year olds just throwing

00:52:36.340 Romans back at me. And I was like, this is, this is winning. This is what winning feels

00:52:41.140 like. This is a cultural revolution. This is, they've demonized it so much, but young

00:52:46.040 kids, they're just like, what's wrong with it? Why can't I do it? It feels good. It

00:52:49.840 feels powerful to do it. You know, we're not getting in our hands and knees and praying.

00:52:54.560 We're standing upright and throwing it. And it was just so powerful.

00:52:57.400 And so now on the news in Australia, they blur out the arms like as if like, it's like genitals

00:53:05.600 or something. So now you just see all these blurred arms. Like they'll, yeah, this picture,

00:53:11.300 they'll put it up on the news and they'll blur every single arm.

00:53:13.920 Oh my God. We all know what it is. I mean, come on.

00:53:16.280 Yeah, I know. It's, it's, it's crazy. Like as if there's going to be Jews at home. If

00:53:19.480 they see those arms, they're going to be like, Oh God. And then we have to protect them

00:53:23.900 from that horrible experience and like blur it out. It's insane.

00:53:27.920 So now it's 12 months in jail.

00:53:30.040 12 months. Holy crap.

00:53:32.100 Yeah. And $20,000 fine.

00:53:34.240 I mean, migrant rapists don't even get that, you know?

00:53:37.160 Yeah. Well, exactly. Well, when I was at court last, there was an African that had raped,

00:53:41.680 sexually, seriously, sexually assaulted five women while on bail. And he had run through

00:53:47.460 people's homes with machetes and he was sentenced to 12 months and he was released early at six

00:53:51.960 months. And that was, I mean, this happens every day and he wasn't on the news, but I was on the

00:53:56.900 news.

00:53:57.460 Yeah. And didn't you get into some confrontation with a guy who happened to be black? And then

00:54:01.160 what was it? You got six months of jail time and like a hardcore prison. Is that correct?

00:54:06.820 That's close to correct.

00:54:08.340 Okay.

00:54:08.840 There was two, there was two incidences within a period of about a month of each other.

00:54:12.420 Okay.

00:54:12.640 And one of them was a channel nine, which is like the main, it's kind of like, yeah,

00:54:18.940 they put up a video, they put up a current affair. So we're just kind of like a real crappy version of

00:54:25.400 60 minutes. And they also run 60 minutes here in Australia. So whatever the channel is in America

00:54:30.500 that runs 60 minutes, channel nine is the equivalent of that channel. And they ran a segment basically

00:54:34.940 saying that we were terrorists next door because we were training and because we were hiking and we

00:54:39.920 were basically like the white Taliban and we were about to commit a terror attack. So I went down to

00:54:44.000 channel nine to just confront them and say, this is like, interview me, have a conversation and

00:54:48.980 I'll tell the Australian public what we're doing and why we're doing it.

00:54:51.180 Oh, there's the blurs. There's the blur. Yeah.

00:54:53.320 Yeah. Yeah. And so instead of doing that, they, they, they just ignored me. They just said, no,

00:54:59.840 we're not interested in talking to you. Go away. And so I started making a speech out the front and

00:55:04.180 then they moved us on. So we walked outside and I started making a speech out the, out the front of the

00:55:08.640 building in the public. And then the security guard, the African security guard who was looking for a

00:55:12.460 fight. He was very, very jarred up, very jacked up. And, uh, cause he could hear what I was talking

00:55:18.220 about. And so when these people are confronted by this, they, they become immediately aggressive.

00:55:21.700 You know how Africans are. You guys live in America. Yes. And, uh, so, and then, uh, he moved

00:55:28.760 us on again. So we complied and moved on again. And as we're moving to this like arbitrary line,

00:55:33.760 the Drano line is what it's called. The Drano line, wherever the Drano line is, we're moving to the

00:55:38.140 Drano line, which is like, you know, 30 or 40 meters away from the building. Uh, the African

00:55:43.180 starts dancing kind of like the George Floyd dance. Have you seen the video of George Floyd

00:55:46.600 with the banana before he got killed? Yes. Yes. I did. Where he's like, he's like, he's like in

00:55:53.040 the supermarket and he's like doing this monkey dance. Yeah, he really is. Well, well, it's like

00:55:58.000 cosmic and spiritual. Cause this guy started doing the same dance. It was like, he was cosmically

00:56:02.240 attuned with the George Floyd. And so he started doing the monkey dance, um, in front of Jacob

00:56:07.620 and Jacob being the shitster that he is said, all right, dance monkey, which is a famous song

00:56:11.640 by, uh, by a, uh, a chick called Pones and I, she's like a fat dyke. But anyway, uh, that,

00:56:17.820 that was like one of those popular songs of that month. I think it was like dance for me,

00:56:21.960 dance for me, dance for me. Uh, uh, uh, and that was playing like constantly. It was like

00:56:25.620 just cosmic. It was just in the, it was in the ether you see. And this guy starts doing the

00:56:29.860 George Floyd monkey dance. And then it's like, dance for me, dance for me. And then

00:56:33.640 Jacob just said, yeah, all right, dance for me, like dance monkey. And then he, he got

00:56:37.360 all aggressive and he was like, I'm not sure dance monkey. And then he throat punched Jacob

00:56:41.240 just full, just left hand stretched out, throat punched him. And I'm, I'm standing like maybe

00:56:46.580 two meters away and you can see the CCTV footage. I don't know if you've got a copy of it. Um,

00:56:50.560 but you'll, you might want to play it for you, for you, you guys.

00:56:54.680 So have the Negro get bashed for everyone to see. It's good. It's good viewing.

00:56:58.280 It is good viewing. It's very good viewing because I copped a lot of flack from it, from

00:57:02.560 the kind of softer types, um, that are like, Oh my God, Tom is a maniac. Tom is, he's a barbarian

00:57:09.020 Tom. He's not fit for leadership because look at how he reacted and look at how he behaved

00:57:14.080 in this instance. And it's like, yeah, yeah. I'm a defender of the folk. I'm, I'm a fighter.

00:57:20.540 I'm a defender. I people like I'm polite. I'm respectful. I'm peaceful. I'm lawful.

00:57:26.160 But if you put your hands on us, if you put your hands on me, if you put your hands on

00:57:30.920 people that I care about, I'm putting you down, I'm going to put you down or I'm going

00:57:35.360 to die. It's, it's, it's just one or the other. I'm going to assert dominance. I'm

00:57:39.000 going to be over the top of you, or I'm going to die in the process, but there's no in between

00:57:43.060 for me at zero or a hundred. I'll be polite. I'll be respectful. I'll be lawful. But this

00:57:49.100 is how I feel about the government. They're trying to, they're trying to hurt us. They're terrorizing

00:57:53.100 us. They're attacking us. They're allowing us to be firebombed. They're, they're hurting

00:57:57.280 us. So it's like, I'm going to take down the government. You know, absolutely not. The

00:58:00.780 government's working to destroy us. They want to silence.

00:58:04.260 That's, that's another story that we should probably mention by the way, with, uh, another

00:58:07.920 associate of ours, his name's Tim Lutz. He, uh, he actually ran a boxing gym and had us

00:58:15.400 all training there until they basically took his boxing gym away from him, uh, for his association

00:58:21.280 with us. But anyway, um, he had been harassed by Antifa many times due to his, well, he's

00:58:27.420 part of the organization. He's one of the leaders of the organization. Um, and anyway, uh, the

00:58:34.220 end of last year, um, he wakes up to an explosion, uh, him in bed next to his pregnant wife goes

00:58:42.820 outside and basically his car had been blown up in the driveway, uh, by communist terrorists.

00:58:49.280 Um, naturally. Yeah. Thankfully they, they didn't, they were trying to blow up the other

00:58:55.920 car, I believe as well. And basically like the Molotov cocktail didn't function correctly.

00:59:01.080 Um, it could have been far worse. They, they could have potentially set fire to the house

00:59:04.800 with his children and his pregnant wife. Let me guess. There was no terrorist investigation.

00:59:09.060 Police didn't care. There was absolutely no investigation whatsoever for an act of terror.

00:59:12.900 But apparently we're terrorists and 50% of the anti-terrorism police's budget, uh, has

00:59:18.780 to go on, um, surveilling us. Uh, but then when actual terrorists attack us, somehow they

00:59:24.220 don't have any resources to investigate that. Well, that's, that's their whole plan in this

00:59:28.780 anti-white establishment. Yeah. We have zero protections. Yeah. Here's this, the video,

00:59:34.060 right? Thomas there. So you, you went to jail Thomas for, was it for this? So they, what

00:59:40.600 they did was they, they raided our house. Uh, they stole all our electronics. They, uh, and

00:59:47.880 they bailed me because I have no criminal history. And because, uh, the, the way the Australian bail

00:59:54.620 laws work is, uh, if you have no, if you have, uh, very little or no criminal history and

01:00:01.180 it's a first offense, you're basically guaranteed bail. Unless it's like a murder or a terror

01:00:05.900 attack, you're basically guaranteed bail. So I got bailed for that. And then about a month

01:00:10.560 later, while I was on bail, we were out in the bush. We were doing one of our hikes.

01:00:15.300 We do hikes almost every month, at least every second month. And we're on a hike and we were

01:00:19.900 ambushed by, there was a conspiracy by channel nine. So the same people that were calling us

01:00:24.600 terrorists had actually, uh, paid a private contractor to, uh, infiltrate our group to

01:00:30.500 pretend to be a racist. Well, he didn't have to pretend he was a racist. He was like kind

01:00:33.180 of old truckie guy. And he actually worked as a trucker. So we did vet this guy. There

01:00:36.640 was really not much we could do about someone at this level of professionality. We, we, we

01:00:40.440 ticked every box that we could. Um, and he was exactly who we said he was, but what we

01:00:44.600 didn't know was on the side, he actually worked as a subcontractor and was hired by channel

01:00:49.060 nine to disrupt our group. And, uh, he was organizing with Antifa and with ASIO. So he

01:00:55.380 was meeting with journalists. He was meeting with Antifa and he was meeting with ASIO to

01:00:59.420 disrupt our organization. And they, uh, they had ASIO, uh, in the bushes waiting for us.

01:01:05.360 They had counter-terrorism follow us up there. There was a whole bunch of Antifa that knew

01:01:10.240 we were at that, uh, where we parked our cars and they have a habit of attacking our cars

01:01:14.200 about two weeks earlier. They damaged Jacob's car, my car at our address. So obviously they

01:01:18.220 got that from this informant. He had passed on that information as to where our address

01:01:22.500 was and where our cars were so that they could continue their pressure on us. And, um, and

01:01:28.200 then, uh, there was an incident in this park. Uh, these people followed us. They were filming

01:01:33.100 us when someone confronted them and asked them to just leave us alone. They then, uh, got

01:01:38.040 in their vehicle and actually ran over some of these young guys. And then, uh, a whole discourse

01:01:42.760 erupted after they ran over a bunch of guys and crashed into a rock. Um, they almost killed

01:01:46.940 me or, or potentially put me in like a wheelchair because I almost got crushed between the car

01:01:51.180 and the rock. I only just managed to jump out of the way. And, um, so this is like, I was

01:01:55.520 looking at this and I was like, this is like an inverse version of, um, of, uh, who's the

01:02:00.660 guy? Uh, yeah, Charlottesville, the guy doing like 190 years for like trying to get his car

01:02:07.360 out of there when he got mobbed by like 50 people. It's kind of like an opposite version

01:02:10.820 of that where the roles are half reversed. Um, and anyway, that's what these people did

01:02:16.840 to us. My car was damaged in the process. So obviously things were going on there. The

01:02:21.400 address that we were at, the exact car park was leaked online. So all the Antifa organizers

01:02:25.880 were posting online and in the, in the comments section of these, these leaks, not leaks, but

01:02:30.920 these posts were just all these Antifa activists saying, oh, you're going to be ashamed if someone

01:02:34.900 went down there and firebombed these cars or slash their tires. We had our tires slashed

01:02:38.900 and our, uh, I had a, I had a, uh, uh, like a impact driver, like a drill put through my

01:02:44.520 tire, um, which is a common tactic of theirs. We have them on CCTV doing that. Anyway, um,

01:02:49.640 that all happened. And in that process, uh, we, a couple of us were pretty badly injured.

01:02:55.200 And, uh, about two days later, we got back to the house and we just said that was fucking

01:02:59.020 out of control. Um, you know, this is obviously escalating what the system's doing to us. We

01:03:02.860 had a big meeting about it. And, um, anyway, about two days later, they sent the helicopter,

01:03:07.980 the SWAT team, the bear cat, they sent like the, uh, the, you know, the big armored vehicles

01:03:13.680 and came in and kicked our doors in and, and, you know, pointed the machine guns at our families

01:03:17.980 as you do. And then they held me without bail, uh, for seven months. So, uh, they, the reason

01:03:25.400 why they said that I couldn't get bail, even though I had been convicted of no crimes, uh,

01:03:30.040 was that they said I was making threats to the victims over the prison phones and they

01:03:37.920 never played that the recordings in court. And it was a lie. The counterterrorism police

01:03:43.520 are a political police. And they lied to the courts, openly lied to the courts, um, to say

01:03:49.000 that I was doing that. They never provided the evidence that I was doing that. And what I was

01:03:52.680 doing over the phone was the guys back at the HQ were calling me. So I was calling them and they

01:03:58.300 were saying that we've found these, their social media of the Antifa guys that were at the park

01:04:03.360 and they're all friends with these other main culprit people. And they're friends on Facebook

01:04:08.420 with the people that firebomb the informants car because they damaged the informants car

01:04:12.900 and trailer about a week earlier. And we had that on CCTV. We hadn't gone to the police because we

01:04:17.640 didn't operate like that, but we were, we were building an information picture on these people,

01:04:21.320 who they were, you know, what schools they went to, what universities they went to and their

01:04:25.340 associates and their friends. So we're building an information picture on these people.

01:04:28.300 And I was just saying over the phone, I said, okay, like screenshot everything and send it to

01:04:32.500 my lawyer. Screenshot everything, send it to my lawyer because we'll expose all of this in court.

01:04:36.540 And they said that that was threatening witnesses to screenshot the people that had firebombed our

01:04:42.480 vehicles, to screenshot their Facebooks and to send those photos to my lawyer to expose this whole

01:04:48.900 thing for what it was in court, in open court, that was threatening the witnesses. So they did

01:04:53.020 everything they could to prevent us building a defense. They did everything they could to keep me in

01:04:57.320 jail for seven months in solitary confinement. I was put in the supermax. So I was put in a,

01:05:01.700 in like a punishment ward of, of poor Philip prison, which is probably the worst prison in

01:05:06.980 Australia. And I was put in like the punishment, solitary confinement. The first six weeks I was

01:05:12.720 in prison, I had, I was basically in 24 hour lockdown. And then the remaining five months,

01:05:18.900 I was in a 23 hour lockdown about five days a week, four days a week, 24 hour lockdown.

01:05:26.240 So I was in, yeah. And, and they refused books and mail for several months. So I got no mail for

01:05:31.880 about two and a half months and I got no books for about five months. So they did everything they

01:05:35.500 could to try to break me. Um, and it didn't work. So here we are.

01:05:39.120 It reminds me of the J6 prisoners also in America. Same thing guys that showed up, you know,

01:05:43.740 to protest. Right. And then they get locked up in solitary confinement and tortured and starved.

01:05:48.860 And like, yes, this is happening in our free societies, our democracy. And then also what

01:05:53.960 they did to me at nighttime was, uh, they wouldn't let me sleep. So when I was, uh, when I was the

01:05:59.840 first sort of six weeks I was in there, the Indian and African security guards would come in and they

01:06:04.060 would flip the lights on and off through the night. Um, so they, they would do everything. And then

01:06:09.340 the white guards would come in the morning. I'd tell the white guards what had happened. And

01:06:13.040 they're just like, oh, sorry, man. Like, oh, you know, and it's like, this is, this is unacceptable.

01:06:17.680 This is all for the crime of getting attacked by literal Jewish communists. They're all Jews.

01:06:23.040 They're all gay Jews. They're all gay Jews.

01:06:25.360 They Jewish communists attacked him violently. Uh, you somewhat defended yourself, but like

01:06:32.480 ultimately none of them were injured. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't like no one got hurt. Like

01:06:37.520 they almost killed you or turned into a paraplegic. And then you get thrown in jail.

01:06:43.680 For eight months with a bunch of like literal murderers. Everyone else around you are all

01:06:47.200 murderers. Basically. Right. I was the only one in the unit that wasn't a murderer or a terrorist.

01:06:51.600 Oh my God. See, that's what I think. And here's the funniest part. Here's the funniest part is that,

01:06:56.480 uh, they refused my runouts. They refused my runouts. Uh, cause you have to fill out a form to be able to

01:07:04.320 run out and be in a cage. If you've seen that movie shock call with that Jamie Lannister character,

01:07:08.800 uh, from Game of Thrones, I can't remember. He's got like a Nordic name or a, uh, Danish name or

01:07:14.160 something. Um, if there's that scene where he gets put in the super max and then he's locked in his

01:07:19.680 cell the whole time and then he gets like these run out yard, he's like putting a cage out in the

01:07:23.840 open. That's it's even, it was actually worse than that. Uh, so imagine those cages, but then

01:07:28.560 there's concrete walls between them about four meters high. So barely any sun even comes in either.

01:07:34.560 So at least they got like a fresh open air. We were just kind of like in the, it was like

01:07:39.600 just pigeonville. There was just pigeon shit everywhere. There was just like hundreds of

01:07:42.480 pigeons and we're just like, it was dark and moldy and the concrete walls were like four meters high.

01:07:47.520 Yeah. So even worse than if you watch shock caller, you know what I'm talking about. Um,

01:07:51.680 and so you had to fill out a piece of paper to, um, uh, do run outs with other prisoners.

01:07:57.120 And there was two white power gangs that were in that unit with me and they were murderers.

01:08:00.640 They were white guys that had just killed cunts. And, uh, I was trying to run out with, with them

01:08:05.840 so that I could have like a social interaction because I hadn't had an actual conversation in like

01:08:09.440 five months. And I got two run outs with, uh, these guys from the, the sort of skinhead gangs.

01:08:16.560 And then they removed my run outs off me because they were concerned for the good

01:08:20.720 order of the prison. They were saying that if Tom runs out with these murderers,

01:08:24.000 he's going to radicalize them. And so we can't have these murderers running out with Tom.

01:08:28.960 Um, we have to keep Tom, we have to keep Tom isolated. He's not allowed.

01:08:32.400 So it's not the murderers they're worried about.

01:08:34.720 Yeah. They were terrorists, murderers, child rapists, child rapists, and they can run out with

01:08:40.800 each other. There was a run out where the child rapists would be out there and the,

01:08:44.080 all the, all the prisoners would be screaming at him, just abusing him constantly. And that's,

01:08:47.680 that's how I know they were child rapists and, um, they, the child rapists were allowed to have

01:08:52.800 friends. They were allowed to run out with each other, but a white man that had two incidences

01:08:57.040 of defending himself. Uh, yeah. You got to segregate him from the, yeah, yeah. You've got the,

01:09:02.320 you guys are great. You guys are so professional. Yeah. Imagine that. But the, the cages that you

01:09:08.400 can see, um, imagine there's like four meter concrete walls between them.

01:09:11.920 Well, it tells you what they view as their biggest threat and it's people that think like us and talk

01:09:18.080 like us. That's why they have no problem importing in, you know, murderers and rapists and thieves and all

01:09:23.440 that. Right. Cause they're not really a threat to the system at the end of the day. Yeah. What I said

01:09:28.400 in the, I'll be very quick so we can change the topic. But what I said in the first podcast, when

01:09:33.040 I came out was I noticed that, uh, in the mainstream units, there was a lot of violence,

01:09:39.200 a lot of ethnic violence, racial violence. And, uh, a lot of the time it was white people that were the

01:09:44.240 victims of this violence. And when white people were the victims, they were then segregated. So if the

01:09:50.160 islanders controlled a unit, a mainstream unit, like the Pacific Islanders, and they attacked

01:09:54.480 like a group of white guys and they won that fight, the white guys were then separated and

01:09:58.720 segregated. So they were put in like protection or isolation or move to another unit, another

01:10:04.080 mainstream unit. Um, and this happened over and over again. I heard stories of these things

01:10:08.640 and then, uh, over the concrete wall. And then, uh, when, um, uh, there was an incident where the

01:10:17.280 opposite happened, where a group of Islanders, uh, and Africans attacked a white kid and then a more

01:10:23.280 powerful gang of white guys got retribution. We'll call it, I won't, I won't say exactly what happened,

01:10:28.320 but they, they did what they needed to do and fucked some people up and, uh, allegedly. And then

01:10:34.560 what the, what corrections did then was for the good order of the prison, they then segregated

01:10:40.880 all the white guys in this group. So they didn't know who did it. They didn't know which one did it

01:10:45.520 or which group of the group did it, but the whole group, the whole gang, they split up. So that, that

01:10:51.280 painted a really clear picture to me that when whites are the victims, they get double victimized.

01:10:56.080 When whites are the victims, the government will stomp you. The government will segregate you. The

01:11:00.000 government will disempower you. But when whites are the, uh, the aggressor or when whites are the

01:11:05.280 victors, when we are winning, the government will stomp you. The government will segregate you.

01:11:10.080 The government like big daddy government comes in and it's just like, no, you, you can't do that.

01:11:13.680 You're not allowed to do that. So it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, the government's going to

01:11:17.680 come in and, and treat you as, as, as horrible. So if I had lost that fight against the African,

01:11:23.040 um, I still would have been charged with assault and I would have been made out to be a loser on the

01:11:28.320 television. So what I tell people in our scene is if, if, if God puts you, if the universe or God,

01:11:35.680 whatever you believe, puts you in a situation where you're fighting for your life or you're

01:11:39.360 fighting for your honor, you're fighting. If, if a sit, like, don't look for these situations,

01:11:44.480 but if you're put in that situation, when don't lose, when, because you're going to go to jail anyway,

01:11:51.760 you're going to get smeared anyway. You may as well look cool and tough and the victor.

01:11:56.560 And white people are so afraid of physical confrontation because they see on the media,

01:12:02.880 all these three guys in the U S they were, they confronted a robber in their house and they

01:12:08.720 killed them with a shotgun. And now they're in jail for life. And even the guy that filmed it,

01:12:11.760 and there's always like black pill stories, like, Oh, look at what happened. And it's like,

01:12:16.320 but how many thousands of incidences have happened where the black robber kills the white person?

01:12:20.640 You know? So it's like you, if God puts you in that situation, you're fucked. You know,

01:12:26.160 if God puts you in that situation, you're going to jail, if God, or you're dying. So it's like,

01:12:31.840 you're going to lose in some way, regardless, you may as well lose in style. You may as well lose on

01:12:37.680 your own terms. Like if you're doing seven months in solitary, honestly, solitude is a blessing.

01:12:42.800 In the chaos of the society that we live in, solitude is a blessing. You know, you get the

01:12:50.080 noises of the jungle, but if you can tune out the noises of the jungle, it's honestly a blessing.

01:12:55.120 And it was the best seven months of my life. It sucked, but struggle is the father of all things.

01:13:01.440 And I can't wait to do it again. Not because I'm a martyr or a psychopath or, but it's just like,

01:13:06.720 if God puts me in this position again, you know, I'm going to do the exact same thing.

01:13:11.520 And people are like, Tom, you don't learn your lesson. You keep using your fists,

01:13:15.040 you know, you keep, and it's like, yeah, don't put yourself in that situation where,

01:13:18.960 you know, violence is going to arise, right? Don't show up at some of these places, but,

01:13:22.960 but, but eventually, but eventually it might find you anyway, because that's the world that we live

01:13:29.760 in. We can't run away forever. We can't run away forever. And I've never looked for violence.

01:13:33.840 I've never seeked violence and, but violence confronts you and you have to make a decision

01:13:38.640 sometimes between, do you live to fight another day? And I'm sure one day there'll be a circumstance

01:13:43.840 where I'm going to have to walk away from something. I'll be like, hmm, tactically,

01:13:47.200 strategically, you know, and I can play the game. All right. There's been times we've had,

01:13:51.840 we've been 40, 50 guys deep on the march, you know, we're doing an activism and the police have

01:13:56.880 got the pepper spray out and they got the baddens out. And it's like, but there's only 10 police

01:14:01.120 and there's 50 of us. And I'm like, we could thump these cops right now. We could absolutely

01:14:05.680 thump them. We could, we could smash these cops so easy right now. This is going to be awesome.

01:14:10.960 And then I've made the call instead of smashing the cops, I've been like, let's live the fight

01:14:14.880 another day. It will demoralize everyone a little bit. Everyone will be upset that we didn't get to

01:14:18.400 bash the police, but we'll just walk away. We'll just walk away. We'll just move on. We know it's

01:14:23.760 unlawful. We know it's against our rights and everything, but we'll just walk away and we'll get a bit

01:14:29.280 bigger and we'll come back again. They'll do the same thing. We'll walk away. We'll come back again.

01:14:34.320 And one day we're going to be bigger than the state. And when we are, then we're not walking

01:14:38.400 away. But until then we'll play the game. So I can't play the game. I'm not a strategic idiot,

01:14:42.720 but when I'm faced with violence, when someone physically attacks me, I'm going to defend myself.

01:14:48.080 So do you think some of that is also an Australian, like a cultural thing?

01:14:51.280 Cause when I was down there, it seemed like, no, are they pretty neutered down there now?

01:14:55.520 They're not there rough and tough criminal elements anymore.

01:14:58.320 Every, uh, I don't believe I just, I don't believe in the stereotyping. I think that, uh,

01:15:06.640 I have more in common with a, with a man of hot blood, a white man of hot blood in America or in

01:15:13.600 Sweden. Everyone goes, Oh, Sweden's cucked or England's cucked or America's cucked or Australia.

01:15:18.720 It's like, there's just a lot of cucks everywhere and there's only a few fighters. And I identify with

01:15:24.560 the white fighters. I identify with the white fighters.

01:15:26.080 Well, and they want men to be cucked. I mean, isn't Australia, they're creating a bureau of

01:15:29.760 men's behavior, right? To, to target guys from going to, you know, to not become far right

01:15:35.360 nationalists, right? To not become real men.

01:15:37.360 They had a whole controversy. They had a whole controversy here because there were these kids

01:15:41.280 in high school who had a discord server, like a private, which is a, for those who don't know what

01:15:46.880 a discord server is basically just got a private chat, uh, app that the other people that can see

01:15:51.920 it are people that you invite in. And so it's basically the private chat and they had a rating

01:15:58.160 system for the other girls at their high school. You know, they had like wifeys at the top. Then they

01:16:02.720 had cuties, they had mids and they had, uh, objects on right. And then I think the bottom was like

01:16:11.680 unrapeable. So I think I'm missing one, but anyway, it was just this goofy, they're like 14 year old boys,

01:16:18.240 some goofy thing that they're doing somehow, uh, it got leaked. It got exposed and it became a national

01:16:25.680 news story that this, this is an epidemic of misogyny. Uh, and we talked about it on our show

01:16:32.560 actually. And I said, well, they're clearly not misogynist. They've got people in, they got wifeys,

01:16:36.560 they got cuties, they got all these positive, you know, female ratings. So, I mean, they clearly,

01:16:41.440 they clearly like some women. Uh, but, but anyway, like the, the point is, is that, uh, it's just so

01:16:47.200 ridiculous. Like why, why is this, why is this news? And all these kids got expelled from the school

01:16:52.400 and the principals getting interviewed on national news, like stamping out misogyny.

01:16:56.960 We've got to address the culture and all this. I mean, it's just absurd. Meanwhile, you've got an

01:17:02.480 epidemic of violence against women perpetrated by black women, multiple in that, in that same week,

01:17:10.160 there was multiple instances of black women, gang bashing young white girls. You have, uh,

01:17:17.760 a month before that, you had a white grandma getting stabbed to death in front of her

01:17:22.080 six year old granddaughter by a bunch of African criminals who then stole her car.

01:17:27.840 Um, you've got, obviously we know that the non-white, uh, you know, Africans and Arabs and so on,

01:17:34.720 uh, way disproportionately guilty of rape. Um, so if you want to talk about violence against women

01:17:42.400 or something actually, that actually matters, not like some stupid rating system about which girls

01:17:47.760 they like or don't like at high school, but something that actually matters. No, we, no,

01:17:52.480 the news suppresses these stories. The news won't report on them on the evening news properly. They'll

01:17:57.680 cover up, they'll, they'll, the same way that they blur out the Roman salute, they'll blur out the

01:18:02.000 criminal so that you can't see what race they are because they know that if they put that story front and

01:18:07.520 center to the Australian people, everyone is going to be, you know, obviously going to think racist

01:18:12.480 thoughts. White people are going to see, look, look at what, look at what these blacks have done. Look

01:18:16.400 at what these Arabs have done to this defenseless white girl or white grandma. That's horrifying.

01:18:22.400 We need to get these people out of our country. So, um, yeah, they're just total frauds. I mean,

01:18:28.080 obviously everyone watching this understands that, but it's just fucking disgusting how fraudulent these

01:18:32.400 people are. And meanwhile, you know, you've got the state, like we were talking about Elijah

01:18:38.240 Schaefer before he interviewed me on his show. The media does hit pieces against him about how

01:18:43.840 racist he is and how horrible he is because he interviewed a neo-Nazi. Um, then apparently he's,

01:18:50.320 uh, he's married to an Australian woman. So he's, he, you know, he was getting his visa approved as like a,

01:18:56.720 as, as a man who's married to an Australian citizen, uh, to live here. Now he's lawyers getting all

01:19:03.200 ASIO are looking into the, into your, uh, application now. So now like he, his son is

01:19:09.680 born in Australia. His wife is Australian. Now, now they're trying to think about maybe deporting him

01:19:15.200 and freaking him out. It's amazing how quick they can deport, deport a white guy when they're

01:19:19.040 a nationalist, right? Exactly. It's amazing how quick they can mobilize for that. Yeah.

01:19:25.120 So this is what the state and the media are prioritizing is, um, you know, every, like,

01:19:30.800 Tom gets dragged before the court and they've got to, you know, get the snapshot of, you know,

01:19:36.560 neo-Nazi and, and so on. These are the stories, but they won't go in. Why aren't they sticking the

01:19:41.280 camera in the face of, uh, you know, Arab rapists or Pacific Islander murderers?

01:19:48.880 Uh, Indian sex pests. There's so many. Every time I go to court, half of one of the floors,

01:19:54.480 it's obviously the sex pest level. Oh my God. Sex pest. Oh my God.

01:19:58.720 Because there's like six, there's like six layers to the court. And one of the layers,

01:20:02.400 one of the floors is obviously sex pestery. They keep them isolated. And, um, they're all Indians.

01:20:08.480 They're like all Indians. Like it'd be minimum 50%. Yeah. Well, I've been to India as a teenager and

01:20:14.000 I know how they treat white girls over there. Yeah. Yeah. And you, you will see, you will see maybe

01:20:18.640 once a year, you will see once a year, there'll be some heinous crime against a white girl that's put

01:20:23.920 on television, but like cockroaches for every one you see, there's like hundreds of thousands you

01:20:28.480 don't see. And, you know, these happen daily. Like every white girl that I've ever met in Australia

01:20:36.640 has a story about an Indian attempt rape or Indian attempt sex pestery, you know, like they're just

01:20:43.840 fucking disgusting. Well, hopefully this is sinking in that some of these girls are thinking racially,

01:20:48.800 like, Hey, it's not these white Aussie guys. Right. And that brings me to, yeah, go on.

01:20:53.920 Yeah. We, sorry to interrupt, but we did kind of over, you asked me a question

01:20:57.920 quite earlier in the show about, um, the general attitude of Australians. And, uh, that's what I was

01:21:04.400 trying to get to, uh, in conclusion, they're seeing such a huge increase in being negatively

01:21:10.000 affected themselves. They personally are suffering now. And now that they're personally on the receiving

01:21:15.200 end, whether it be through social and cultural factors like sex pestery, whether it be through

01:21:21.280 seeing just the amount of home invasions and being personally affected by the amount of home invasions,

01:21:25.600 whether it be not being able to afford a home or be involved in a home, seeing this stuff,

01:21:30.560 uh, is radicalizing the average white Australian. That's not a communist freak to believing the

01:21:38.960 following statement. I don't necessarily agree with the Hitler stuff, but I support everything that

01:21:45.280 you say. And every white person I've met, that's not a communist freak, uh, in the last couple of

01:21:51.920 years, every single one has said to me, if they're in the movement, then obviously they like the Hitler

01:21:57.040 stuff, but every other white person I've met says, Tom, I agree with everything that you say. I've noticed

01:22:03.520 everything that you say. I don't disagree with any of it. I just don't understand the Hitler stuff.

01:22:07.600 So is it doing a disservice? Okay. No. What's your response?

01:22:10.320 No, no, it's not. No, my response is, is always, you will understand in time,

01:22:13.920 you will understand that all of this ends from world war two or like our nations have been

01:22:17.920 subverted and destroyed. Obviously there's a general decline prior to world war two.

01:22:21.680 I won't get too esoteric and go too deep with the average person, but obviously there's a general

01:22:26.560 cyclical history and stuff. And people like their eyes start to wander off when you bring up

01:22:30.720 like a 2000 year civilizational cycle, like, but you can, but everyone knows Hitler,

01:22:36.000 everyone knows world war two. And you can put that as like the apex of our civilization or our

01:22:40.640 society starting to collapse the beginning of the end. And so what I tell people is what Hitler

01:22:47.440 was dealing with and what the Germans were dealing with in the thirties was what we call the Weimar

01:22:51.840 Republic in the, in the twenties and early thirties. And they came to power because Germany was so

01:22:57.760 corrupted and destroyed and subverted by Jews. And they, they made a humiliation and mockery of their

01:23:03.840 people and they impoverished them. Introduced to transsexualism and sex change operations.

01:23:09.600 That's the books they were burning. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And then I say that is exactly what we're

01:23:14.720 going through now. We're going through global Weimar. And so we need a 1933 style solution to the 1933

01:23:21.520 problem, you know, and an updated version of it's worse actually. So we need, we need to become like,

01:23:28.880 we need to go beyond the 1933 solution. In my view, I don't think the 1933 solution is even enough.

01:23:34.800 That's the thing that that's also why it's important. I think to not back down on, uh,

01:23:42.080 it's not about ideologically dotting all your P's and Q's about being a perfect national socialist. And,

01:23:48.800 uh, in my view, uh, what matters though, is the fighting spirit, what, what Hitler and the Nazis

01:23:58.080 represent in the mass consciousness ultimately is the white man having enough and just, and, and

01:24:06.560 fighting back, taking control and reasserting himself. That's basically what it means in the

01:24:12.720 mass consciousness. The mass consciousness doesn't know all the nuances about this or that policy that

01:24:18.240 the third Reich may have had. And that those things we should study them, but they aren't

01:24:22.160 of central importance. What is of central importance is the idea that we're not taking

01:24:27.280 this shit anymore. It's not enough to agree that, oh yes, you know, Tom's experience is like my

01:24:32.240 experience. So many people I'd talk to are like, yes, you know, Joel, what you say is true. When you

01:24:36.400 talk about the problems of immigration and non-whites and rants about Indians and rants about blacks and so

01:24:42.400 on even about the Jews. Um, but then they just go on living a normal life. Uh, they don't have a fire

01:24:50.400 lit within them like is lit within me or within Tom or within other people that, that are actually

01:24:56.640 committed to the movement where they're willing to actually put their life on the line to fight.

01:25:02.960 Um, and that's the difference. It does. It's not just about intellectually agreeing

01:25:07.040 that there's an anti-white agenda and knowing all the talking points and knowing how it's that the

01:25:13.040 news is lying to you or, or whatever. It's about what are you going to fucking do about it? And what,

01:25:19.360 uh, and what, what Hitler and the swastika and so on represents is doing something about it. Uh,

01:25:26.480 that's what it represents. And when they attack, when they attack the militancy of the movement,

01:25:32.560 when they attack the optics of the movement and so on, um, you know, what people are basically

01:25:38.320 attacking is, uh, the, the energy. Um, they could say, well, we want to, we want to keep,

01:25:44.880 um, you know, the, the, the, the, the mass marketable talking points, the agreeable aspects

01:25:50.240 of the movement, but we want to make it seem less scary. We want to make it seem like no one's going

01:25:54.960 to actually have to do anything except vote harder and, uh, have polite discussions. And we're going

01:26:01.120 to have this safe and optical version of, uh, addressing white genocide and defeating global

01:26:07.440 jury and reasserting white power. And that isn't, that just isn't realistic. It's not that easy.

01:26:12.880 Uh, it isn't how, I mean, that's not how it's going to work. We're going to actually have to

01:26:15.840 fight for it. Yeah. I mean, I get the idea of, I mean, I look at, uh, nationalism, the strides that

01:26:21.680 we have made even over the last five years, we've been covering these topics for 10 years. And

01:26:26.240 things we were talking about 10 years ago now are trending on X, you know, about, you know,

01:26:31.040 banned ADL, Jewish supremacy, all the anti-white talking points. It's essentially going mainstream.

01:26:36.800 And there's a broader range of, uh, right-wing folks, including normie conservatives who are

01:26:41.440 coming onto our page about some of these things. I know, Joel, you've been making the rounds talking

01:26:45.920 and debating with different people. So, you know, we have to stay on these people, but, and I know it's

01:26:50.720 important to mainstream for a broad appeal, which is necessary. It's already happening, but

01:26:56.080 simultaneously you need that kind of edgy undercurrent that's pushing the discussion

01:27:01.040 further. Cause we were the edgy undercurrent that was pushing the mainstream into this

01:27:05.440 discussion, right? So I think it takes all personalities and different facets, you know,

01:27:09.280 to strike at different times, maybe a little ruthless and crazy is good, but so is, you know,

01:27:14.400 class and self-control at different times. You need a bit of it, I think at all different levels

01:27:19.840 of the war. Yeah. Right. The white man is demoralized. We need to moralize the white

01:27:24.480 man in the sense that like, there's a lot of learned helplessness. There's a lot of blackpilling.

01:27:30.960 There's a, there's a lot of people that know what the problem is and it doesn't inspire them to act.

01:27:36.880 It doesn't inspire them to wake up every morning. It has the opposite effect. It makes them depressed.

01:27:42.480 It makes them want to turn away from politics. It makes them into a bitter human being.

01:27:47.520 And, and so the problem is spiritual. The problem isn't about what facts they understand. The

01:27:51.840 problem isn't intellectual. It isn't ideological. The problem is a lack of willpower, uh, fortitude,

01:27:59.440 uh, courage, um, sacrifice, honor. And so reawakening these values is, um, a kind of spiritual

01:28:09.200 operation that is entirely distinct from spreading political talking points. That is something that I've

01:28:13.840 come to terms with over the last few years and, and probably explains, uh, for those people who

01:28:18.560 have seen me around, maybe the difference is me recognizing that, uh, you know, I was kind of

01:28:25.280 drawing certain conclusions from information, but that everyone doesn't draw the same conclusions.

01:28:31.440 And that you actually have to address the process by which you draw conclusions, not just the

01:28:36.400 conclusions themselves or, you know, the, the basis of conclusions themselves. In other words,

01:28:40.960 um, the, the overarching view, uh, of the average person is the system is run by politicians that

01:28:51.120 don't give a fuck about us. They're all corrupt. They're all pieces of shit. Uh, I hate the political

01:28:56.160 class. They're screwing us over. Immigration is bad and so on. What can you do about it? There's

01:29:01.760 nothing I can do about it. There's nothing anyone can do about it. I guess we'll just try and make

01:29:05.680 money and have a family and do our best. That's basically the average view. Those people don't

01:29:10.960 need to really have it explained to them much further about how bad the political classes and,

01:29:16.080 um, you know, how anti white the system is and so on. A lot of them pretty much agree.

01:29:20.320 Obviously we need that, but what they need is someone to give them, uh, someone needs to make

01:29:26.080 them believe that we can do something about it. Yeah. They need to be inspired.

01:29:30.720 Yeah. And that actually has the willpower to, to generate a reaction that is, uh,

01:29:37.600 powerful enough to do something. Well, that's why I like this trend of repatriation. They have to go

01:29:42.560 back mass deportation. Like this is the only solution. So while, you know, the mainstream is

01:29:48.560 picking up a lot of our talking points, even from 10 years ago. Now we need to push it even,

01:29:53.120 you know, further to the right of like, no, we can't tolerate all these people. They need to go

01:29:57.440 back. If they came between this and this period, that's it. Repatriation. So do you guys think

01:30:01.600 that normalizing the idea of mass deportations is probably one of the most important things that we

01:30:06.960 can do right now? Don't you think? Cause I mean, we need our demographics in check. Number one,

01:30:12.400 right. Everything else is second in political dis in political discourse. It is the number one

01:30:18.960 issue. I actually got into some debates, obviously I'm an antisemite, but I got into some debates with

01:30:24.560 people who I'm friends with, who, uh, think that we need to focus entirely upon antisemitism as like

01:30:29.920 the first principle of politics. You mentioned before people talking about Jewish supremacy.

01:30:34.960 Um, the problem that I have with this is they talk about Jewish supremacy, like, as if the problem with

01:30:41.120 Jewish supremacy is supremacy rather than that, it's Jewish, like as if white supremacy would be

01:30:46.320 a problem. Um, like supremacy itself is the problem. There's this kind of like residual

01:30:52.000 egalitarianism that is implicit in that kind of discourse, this idea that, um, all Jews think

01:30:57.680 that they're better than everybody else and that they should have their own cut, their own state where

01:31:01.440 they, uh, their own ethno state where they're in control. And they think that they should run the

01:31:05.040 banks and the media and who the hell do they think they are? No one should be in charge. No,

01:31:08.880 we should be running the banks and the media and have our own state, uh, and be ethnically cleansing,

01:31:15.360 uh, you know, people who want to live in our territory actually. Um, and then I got called a

01:31:20.880 white Zionist by some of these people as if that's supposed to be an insult. Like what, what movement

01:31:25.840 are we in? Um, I'm a white supremacist. I, the idea that you want white people to be supreme in their

01:31:31.520 countries. Yes, of course. Yeah. It's as supreme as possible. That's what I want. The idea of

01:31:39.040 supremacy is fundamentally good and noble. It's the idea that some people are better than others and

01:31:44.640 that therefore people who are better than others should have a requisite status conferred upon them

01:31:50.400 for that, for that superiority. Um, egalitarianism is the idea that everyone should have the same status,

01:31:57.200 no matter how much better they are than others. And often it goes even further than that and says,

01:32:01.600 well, the only reason why some people are, uh, can be seen to be better than others is because

01:32:07.200 of unfair distributions of status. Um, it completely reverses the relationship between

01:32:13.760 nature and society. The idea that like society determines nature other than nature determining

01:32:18.800 society. I believe in the natural organic society. I believe in the organic, uh, state, uh,

01:32:24.720 you know, I know a natural way of life. That's why I'm a supremacist and everyone is a micro

01:32:30.400 supremacist in the entire world. Like when I, if you need to get surgery, you need to get like

01:32:34.960 your kidney removed or something, um, or kidney surgery. Uh, you're a, you're a surgeon supremacist.

01:32:40.960 You want the best possible surgeon who's got all this experience and has a degree. You don't want

01:32:45.360 some guy, uh, who, who would like to be a surgeon really bad. And it's not fair that you're discriminating

01:32:50.480 against him because he sucks at surgery and has no idea what he's doing. Um, or when you want to

01:32:55.360 marry someone, uh, you become a, uh, uh, you become a supremacist. You're not going to marry a fat chick

01:33:01.040 just because it wouldn't be fair that she doesn't get to marry you because she's fat. Um, that would

01:33:05.280 be absurd, right? Sorry to all the guys at home that I married to fat chicks, but the point is,

01:33:10.160 is that, um, everyone's a micro supremacist, but then when we expand it out to the political level,

01:33:14.800 apparently now it's like totally ridiculous to say that supremacy should be the organizing

01:33:19.040 principle for society. Um, even though egalitarianism is retarded on every other level,

01:33:25.120 all of a sudden at the largest and most important level, now all of a sudden, all the values get

01:33:29.120 reversed and people say, well, Joel, you know, you're right. But the thing is, is that, you know,

01:33:34.000 that's not very optical. Like people aren't going to want to hear that message because it's kind of

01:33:38.720 extreme. And so we have to basically argue that, um, the pro white position is actually the real

01:33:44.560 form of egalitarianism. Like egalitarianism isn't the very core of the reason why the white race is

01:33:50.480 in the position that it's in is because we have degraded ourselves. We stopped seeing ourselves as

01:33:54.640 superior and therefore we stopped guarding ourselves against the inferior. Like as Nietzsche said,

01:33:59.840 the strong must be protected from the weak. If you're a, if you're a God, if you're a gardener and

01:34:04.960 you're growing, uh, and you've got beautiful flowers or you, you know, you're growing, uh,

01:34:08.800 vegetables or, or whatever, the number one, uh, priority that you have other than making sure that

01:34:15.360 it gets all the nutrients and, you know, water and so on sunlight that it needs is get it, keeping

01:34:20.240 the weeds out. If you just allow all the weeds to fester and to fill up and take from the space and

01:34:25.840 resources that enables your garden to grow, your plants won't reach their full potential. And on a

01:34:30.080 long enough timeline, they'll die. And that's the white race is like a garden and we're not weeding it.

01:34:35.600 And we, we stopped weeding it because we came to say, well, there was no difference between a weed

01:34:39.520 and a flower. That's at the core of the problem. Until we can actually talk about that in a direct

01:34:45.840 way, we will not address it. So to me, um, you know, that's why I think we need a more muscular

01:34:52.880 rhetoric. We need, we need people with a kind of romanticism, uh, a kind of, uh, you know, a type of

01:34:59.920 mindset to go, I'm going to basically stake my, my, uh, claim on the full truth and, and put it,

01:35:08.560 you know, basically willing to die on that hill. I'm not going to have a marketing strategy where

01:35:13.920 I try and adapt my worldview into, you know, a kind of a neat set of like rhetoric or rhetorical

01:35:20.480 points that comport well with what people already believe. No, the problem is, is that what people

01:35:26.720 already believe is wrong. It needs to be totally destroyed. The problem is, is that the average

01:35:31.040 white person is weak, lazy, uh, unspirited. Um, they don't believe in themselves, uh, and they're

01:35:38.560 nowhere near racist enough. And they're nowhere near supremacist enough. And that's what we have

01:35:42.160 to address. We have to make them believe in themselves and believe in these ideas. Otherwise,

01:35:46.880 we won't win. No, one's going to fight for the white race unless they truly like, no,

01:35:52.720 non-white supremacist is going to do what needs to be done. You have to be a white supremacist to go,

01:35:58.560 Hey, look at all these millions of people. And many of them are families. And some of them are nice

01:36:02.320 people and they quite like it here. Actually, we're going to kick them all out. We're going to round

01:36:07.040 them up and we're going to remove them forcefully, which will probably be necessary from our country.

01:36:12.400 And all, by the way, we're going to have a lot of leftists, a lot of traitors and so on to round up

01:36:16.960 as well. There's going to be a lot of brutality necessary to fix the absolutely decrepit situation.

01:36:24.640 Our civilization is in, and you're not going to have the wherewithal to support and act out what

01:36:31.440 needs to be done unless you have that level of conviction. So to me, we have to go all the way.

01:36:37.200 That's why I'm going to defend Hitler. That's why I call myself a white supremacist. And that's why I

01:36:42.480 think it's, I think it's actually good optics. I think Hitler's actually really cool. I think

01:36:48.480 supremacy is actually more like the most famous philosopher in the modern world is Friedrich

01:36:54.080 Nietzsche. He's like the only philosopher everyone knows what his name is and what is his philosophy.

01:36:57.760 It's basically supremacism. So this idea that supremacism isn't cool or interesting and people

01:37:02.880 don't want to hear about it or that no one wants to hear about Hitler. It's just wrong. It's actually

01:37:08.320 really interesting. I think it's, it's inching in that direction. I think again,

01:37:13.840 you're young, you got that fresh energy, you're cutting edge. And I think it's, it's heading more

01:37:19.440 in that direction where things are going to be opening up. You know, you just got to keep,

01:37:23.520 you got to keep on it. You know, that's what I mean is these topics that we know are mainstreaming,

01:37:28.240 we have to get them to go even farther to the right. Thomas, what do you think?

01:37:32.240 I like the, the term that's been popularized recently about ratchet theory. And I don't

01:37:41.360 believe that any metaphor is perfect. There's no, there's no metaphor that's perfect. We all just

01:37:45.840 use different terms to try to create a picture in people's mind as to how we're behaving in different

01:37:52.880 planes. And I like the fact that what we were saying in the movement 10 years ago is now the mainstream

01:38:01.520 discourse of anyone right of center and Joel and myself and other people that are leading factors

01:38:09.840 within the movement here in Australia. And I hope globally as well, what we're looking at is

01:38:15.280 everyone's playing catch up to us. Politics is ruled by the minority or by the extreme,

01:38:20.880 if you want to call it that we're the extreme, right? We're the far right. If that's how they want

01:38:25.040 to put it, you know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, the whole tranny agenda, the whole transsexual freak

01:38:31.680 show was in these tiny little subreddits and Tumblr and stuff. And it was just like these radical

01:38:36.960 communists in these little echo chambers talking about how to like get estrogen and how to cut their

01:38:43.440 dicks off. And now the federal government in your country and mine are protecting the rights of

01:38:52.720 Jewish doctors to cut dicks off children and to prescribe hormones. So politics is always moved

01:38:59.440 by the extremes. This idea that, oh, just hug the center and shift the center over a bit.

01:39:04.960 We know that that's not how politics works. And anyone that's still trying to do that,

01:39:09.040 they're kind of wasting their energy because why would you sit on the fulcrum if you are a political,

01:39:14.720 if you have political agency and there's a seesaw of politics and we can see there's a seesaw,

01:39:18.560 even though a lot of people say it's not left and right, it's pro-white and anti-white. Yeah. Okay.

01:39:22.400 Okay. Whatever. Right. Let's say you're right. There's a seesaw. There's a fulcrum in the middle

01:39:27.520 where all the white is. All of society, 98% of society is in the middle. That's a fact.

01:39:33.920 1% are these freaks and 1% are Nazis. So Adolf Hitler says in Mein Kampf, I think chapter two, he says,

01:39:41.200 all my life, I have only come across three types of people, the fighters, the lukewarm,

01:39:47.120 and the traitors. So what he's saying is the Nazis, the normies, or whatever term you want to call it,

01:39:55.440 and the, you know, the Jew, communist, transsexual freaks. So all of the weight is already in the

01:40:03.520 middle. And the way we move the fulcrum or the Overton window, or however you want to look at it,

01:40:07.840 from a political strategy is from the extreme. Yeah. And so if, if the majority of the population

01:40:14.880 that's on the right hand side of the fulcrum are already starting to lean towards our energy. Now,

01:40:20.720 ultimately we're not trying to shift the fulcrum. We're trying to split the thing in half. We don't

01:40:24.880 want to live with transsexuals. We don't want to live with traitors. We don't want to live with freaks.

01:40:30.000 And that's another important discourse that people need to understand in the right wing,

01:40:34.000 if we're going to call it that, that we're not looking to live in a happy harmonious society

01:40:38.080 with people that think it's normal to cut the genitals of children. We want to prosecute these

01:40:42.160 people and we want to legalize the execution of them. That's what we want to do because they

01:40:46.720 shouldn't exist. They shouldn't breathe oxygen in the same space that we live in. And worst case

01:40:52.320 scenario, we just live in two different societies. But ideally we prosecute these people and we send

01:40:57.040 them to hell because they're disgusting, evil, like they're the most evil, immoral freaks that have ever

01:41:02.640 existed in, in the existence of any life form. What kind of disgusting creature wants to mutilate

01:41:08.240 the genitals of their own children? Like that, that's just demonic. That's just anti-nature,

01:41:13.360 anti-natural law, anti-god, anti-harmony, anti-peace. And there's, there's no moral or physical or

01:41:20.880 philosophical justification for this behavior. They're just demons. And this is obvious. So ultimately,

01:41:26.880 we're trying to create the split. Now, the way we snap the fulcrum, the snap the board over the

01:41:31.760 fulcrum is by putting as much weight on our end as we can, because only two things can happen.

01:41:36.960 There's only two possibilities. Either we snap the board in half because it's very fragile. And that's

01:41:41.760 what the liberal democracy is really worried about. We need to reinforce our democracy. You know,

01:41:45.680 we need to keep everyone in the center. We need to basically make it illegal for these people on the

01:41:49.040 right to do what they're doing. But the right, if you want to call it that, will continue to gain

01:41:53.840 strength and weight, momentum and mass because they're continuing to allow the extreme left to build its

01:42:00.320 momentum and its mass. So there's always going to be a natural reaction where people see

01:42:05.600 this demonic shit going on and they go one way or the other. And the longer people stay in the

01:42:11.280 middle, the more likely they're going to fall by the wayside. They're going to fall onto one side. It's

01:42:16.880 like the Titanic is snapping in half. Western civilization is the Titan. It's the Titanic and

01:42:21.200 it's snapping in half. And they're going to go to one side or the other. Now, if we can get all the

01:42:26.480 mass on our side, if we can shift the whole center across, then the thing won't snap.

01:42:32.320 It won't snap. Society won't snap. What will happen is we'll have kind of a semi-peaceful

01:42:37.280 situation, a semi-peaceful democratic sort of situation where we can shift all the way over

01:42:42.640 to the right quite rapidly. And then the fulcrum just, it just, it flips on that point and all the

01:42:47.760 lefties and freaks basically fly off the seesaw. And that, that all happens quite nicely. It doesn't end up

01:42:54.480 with this kind of balkanization and this civil war and racial conflict, like armed conflict.

01:43:01.840 It doesn't go hot. It kind of resolves in, in a kind of parliamentarian matter where we can then,

01:43:06.720 you know, ratchet things back to how they were. And then maybe if we've got enough momentum,

01:43:10.720 we can keep pushing and keep reminding people, but that can only occur. That can only occur with a

01:43:15.920 radical and extreme minority of leaders of thought leaders that can charge in a new spiritual and

01:43:26.800 almost mystical way, a new ethos, a new spirit of living. It's even beyond political. We've got all

01:43:32.960 the economic arguments, right? We're better off without this situation. We were better off before

01:43:38.000 all this fucking diversity, multiculturalism, transgender shit, better off economically. We're

01:43:42.880 better off culturally. We're better off socially. We're better off politically because we have

01:43:46.960 political rights when it's a, it's a white majority country. We're way freer in that sense,

01:43:51.680 when it's a white majority country. So we've got all these arguments. We've got all these positions

01:43:57.040 as to how it personally is going to benefit us. Yet we still don't have power. We don't have power.

01:44:02.640 We're not in charge yet. And I believe, and I think Joel agrees with me here, that the reason why we don't

01:44:07.440 have power is because we don't have a fire and an essence and a spirit. And Joel uses the term

01:44:15.200 romanticism, which I appreciate as well, because I think there's two components to it. I think there's

01:44:18.640 a feminine and a masculine. It's got to be muscular and romantic. It's got to be, you know, our term in

01:44:24.720 our organization is we say blood and honor, you know, it's got to be material and spiritual, but there's

01:44:29.120 got to be an ethos. There's got to be a, uh, something men are guided much more when things,

01:44:37.440 when society gets this broken, whatever they're, these demons, these freaks, whatever is motivating

01:44:45.120 them, it's not necessarily coming from a rational position. And I think we should avoid our leadership,

01:44:50.960 restricting itself and restraining itself to purely philosophical and rational arguments.

01:44:55.520 We should allow feeling, emotion and energy. And I'll finish with this last point, an anecdotal point.

01:45:02.560 We have caught the organization that I've run and, uh, Jacob Persant, who's one of my off-siders,

01:45:07.760 uh, runs the activist side of things, the National Socialist Network, horrible optics, uh, balaclavas and

01:45:13.280 black block. And it's, it's so evil and scary. And we shouldn't have this going on. It's a bad look for the movement.

01:45:18.880 And, you know, everyone hates us in the right wing. We're, we're like, uh, we're agent provocateurs and

01:45:24.960 we're, we're getting paid by the left to do it and all this nonsense. And then a white girl gets bashed

01:45:30.400 by a bunch of Africans. And I looked through the comments section and the boomers in the comments

01:45:34.160 section saying, well, you know, if those, if those balaclava bandits were on that train, that wouldn't

01:45:39.760 have happened. You know, I'd much rather get on a train with the balaclava bandits than a bunch of

01:45:45.040 Africans, you know? And so everyone hates us until the violence starts. Yes. Everyone hates us until

01:45:51.920 it's their daughter getting raped, you know? And when it's their daughter that's raped, they're going

01:45:56.560 to knock on my door and say, Tom, what are we going to do about this? And I say, I've been preparing

01:46:00.960 this for some time. This is what we can do about this. I've actually got a solution to the problem.

01:46:05.280 I'm going to do everything I can to help these people, even though right now they're either apathetic

01:46:10.080 or they hate us. So we're fighting for our race because we have something that's so much even

01:46:14.160 deeper than just a material love for our people. And to me, that's the future of the movement.

01:46:18.560 That's where the next 10 and 20 years of energy is going to come from. It has to be spiritual. It

01:46:23.360 has to be religious. It has to be ritual routine. It has to be bigger than just party politics. It has

01:46:30.480 to be a new religion. Yeah. The religion of your folk too. I don't like all this infighting too of like,

01:46:36.960 you know, pagan and Christian and all that. We just have to put folk first. And the spiritual

01:46:43.280 condition is such a huge part of this as all the old philosophers. I mean, we're, we're Westerners.

01:46:48.880 Western civilization was built on, you know, philosophizing and romanticism and thinking of

01:46:54.880 all these things. We need to bring, bring that energy back. It's been squashed out of us.

01:46:59.840 It's been beaten out of us.

01:47:01.680 From a Jungian perspective, like because so many of your ancestors, you have, it's actually like a

01:47:09.440 scientific fact. We know ancestral memory is just programmed into like pretty much all mammals,

01:47:16.240 not just humans. But because you have so many Christian ancestors and then so many more pagan

01:47:23.840 ancestors, all of those archetypes are literally within your unconscious. Like you carry within you,

01:47:30.640 the belief systems and the worldview of so many generations of your ancestors. And you can go

01:47:38.960 back further. And at one point, maybe there were Aryans, you know, writing the Vedas and inventing

01:47:44.080 Hinduism. You know, maybe there were ancient Egyptians. We know the pharaohs were all basically

01:47:49.840 Europeans or who knows what they were up to if you go back far enough generations. But ultimately,

01:47:56.320 all of that is within us. So yeah, like I, I agree, like the pagan versus Christian thing,

01:48:05.040 it's kind of unavoidable when people are dogmatic about a subject, but from a perspective of an

01:48:09.520 identitarian perspective of like, who are we putting aside those debates philosophically,

01:48:14.480 theologically, like we are all of these things actually. And I take the view that spirit blood

01:48:23.760 isn't a dichotomy, that it's all interconnected. Like the life force is the blood, like the force which

01:48:32.720 generated you is the same force which drove your parents and your grandparents and your great

01:48:38.880 grandparents and so on into intergenerationally to strive to create our civilization to create

01:48:46.160 and to embody like certain values that are befitting a white man or a woman. You know,

01:48:50.960 we carry ourselves differently when we when we're truly honoring our blood and we're living up to our

01:48:55.440 potential. There isn't no other people carry themselves with the kind of dignity and morality and

01:49:02.720 you know, all the virtues that that are kind of innate in us are so much higher and and, you know,

01:49:09.520 more admirable. And so when you're trying to honor that tradition, and when you're thinking about the

01:49:15.120 fact that you're going to die, but then you want to you're going to have children and grandchildren

01:49:18.720 and great grandchildren and so on down to eons. Ideally, if we get genocided, if we win,

01:49:26.640 that will be carrying that legacy forward and hopefully evolving, hopefully building upon it and

01:49:30.960 and going to that's what it's all about. It's not about you. It's about this great chain of being

01:49:36.720 these thousands of thousands of years of Arians behind you and extending out in front of you,

01:49:41.760 trying to ascend and become a higher and more noble form of life. We already are like the greatest

01:49:48.800 form of life on this planet. And we want to become better.

01:49:51.760 It can always be better. Ubermensch, you can always become better.

01:49:54.960 And that isn't just like, you know, getting taller and stronger and higher IQ. That's part of it.

01:50:01.680 But it's it's spiritually evolving. It's recognizing the crisis around us as a test

01:50:08.960 that is basically will determine the next phase of our evolution. Like, what do we have to become

01:50:15.280 in order to confront this and overcome this? What kind of new culture do we have to create? What new

01:50:20.400 mentality? What set of virtues do we have to honor and revere in order to become a people capable of

01:50:27.040 taking back our nations, taking back our countries, taking back when we were running the whole planet,

01:50:32.720 you know, very short, very short time ago, we should be running the planet. So how do we take it all back?

01:50:40.240 Who do we have to become to take it all back? That's the question. It's not just as simple as,

01:50:43.920 oh, if we just, you know, teach people that, you know, the system is anti white and look at this

01:50:49.120 double standard about, you know, we have to think holistically. We have to think holistically much,

01:50:53.360 much deeper. Yeah, it's much deeper to be like a naturopath for a race.

01:50:59.040 So last question for you guys was what can the little guys do right now to make a difference? I mean,

01:51:04.480 in my view, I think starting families building community becoming the best white person that you

01:51:10.640 can become and holding the line that way. I mean, spiritually, mentally, and on a psychic level,

01:51:16.960 I mean, that's very important because things trends are going to eventually it's going to go there

01:51:22.080 where things are going to pop off in ways that we don't even expect yet. So it's like, like Thomas was

01:51:26.960 saying, I'll be here. I'll be ready when that time comes. So Thomas, what do you think? Thinking in

01:51:32.400 terms of the little guys, what are things that they can do right now if they feel powerless?

01:51:36.560 There's, there's two sides of it. Absolutely. And so we have, with our organization, a two pronged

01:51:45.040 attack. We have this idea that there's a need for search parties. There's a need for people

01:51:53.120 to go out and look for survivors. We're in a spiritual zombie apocalypse. I like watching zombie

01:51:58.560 movies. I don't know why I've just always liked watching them, but I've always had an essence when

01:52:03.440 I'm watching them. This is, I'm looking at it as a metaphor for real life that our people are

01:52:07.520 infected with a virus, a mind virus. Just come to Philadelphia, Thomas. You'll see plenty of zombies.

01:52:12.720 Yeah. Well, that's obviously that the full fruition of the zombie is by the time it gets to that

01:52:16.640 point. There's a drug effect that they actually look like a zombie. But we're fighting, we're

01:52:21.520 fighting a demonic mind virus or spiritual virus. And so the two essences of what we're doing as an

01:52:28.640 organization to help the individual is you have to have the search party. You have to have the search

01:52:35.040 party. So you have to have guys that are willing to go out and risk danger to recruit and attract

01:52:41.360 other people. And that's a, that's a huge amount of risk and reward. And people burn out from that

01:52:46.800 process and activism plays a huge toll on people's lives. And it's really only suited for young guys,

01:52:51.760 guys in their, in their thirties and forties, they don't do it for long. They, they usually get

01:52:54.960 really burnt out unless there's different kinds of activism. What, like what you and your husband

01:52:58.560 are doing, uh, where there's this idea that, you know, when you watch, I am legend, you know,

01:53:03.760 and, uh, the character goes to Will Smith goes onto the pier and he has like the radio and he's like,

01:53:08.800 is there anyone out there? Can anyone hear me? If you can hear me come to the pier, that's kind of

01:53:13.360 what you guys are doing. You're like a radio broadcaster. So you're looking for survivors in a,

01:53:16.720 in a different method. And I, and I really appreciate all the podcasters and all the content creators.

01:53:20.880 And that's actually how I came across Joel. Joel wasn't involved in any sort of

01:53:24.320 specific direct organization, but just as an individual, he was just, he had his,

01:53:28.800 he was just talking out into the ether. Is anyone listening? Can anyone hear me?

01:53:32.640 Does anyone understand what's going on? This is what I think is going on. This is what I can see.

01:53:36.880 Can anyone else see this virus that's killing us that like, we need to work out how to fight back

01:53:41.200 from this virus and let me compartmentalize all the different components of the virus. And let me

01:53:44.960 explain the, the, what the cure to the virus is. And, uh, you know, so there's all these different

01:53:50.160 strategies, but ultimately we're looking for survivors. We're looking for community. So it's,

01:53:54.000 it's great as an individual to do whatever it is that you're doing. But, uh, the other side of it

01:53:58.880 is okay. Now you've got survivors and you've built more activists. Now you've got this search party

01:54:03.360 that's found more search party people. What do you ultimately do with them when they burn out,

01:54:07.040 when they ultimately they've tried for so long and everyone's got a different fuse. Some people have

01:54:12.000 got to file it under them where they can do it for their whole life. You know, like you guys have been

01:54:15.600 doing this for over a decade and you're just still there. Like you can only see slight return

01:54:19.760 on investment every year. You're dedicating your whole lives to it, but you're moving things so

01:54:23.840 slowly. And so, and it can be blackbilling as a, as a content creator. It's like, I'm giving my

01:54:28.800 everything into this and it's only moving things, these like micro degrees, but ultimately it's like

01:54:34.400 the fact that it's moving is proof that we need to keep going.

01:54:36.640 Yeah. You need people in the trenches, you know, digging in the trenches.

01:54:40.240 Exactly. And so to me, it's so, it's so, uh, important to have a backup strategy, not a backup

01:54:47.280 strategy. It's not necessarily, I call it plan A and plan B, but it's from a zombie apocalypse

01:54:51.280 scenario, a spiritual zombie apocalypse. It's like you have search parties and you have survivors

01:54:56.240 colonies. So I think the other half of our program isn't necessarily going out and trying to find

01:55:01.520 survivors. It's just building a survivor's colony and it's just building parallel community. Um,

01:55:07.440 you know, building a network of people that know what's going on and are willing to just

01:55:11.600 put in the work. They don't necessarily need to do activism. They're not necessarily going out

01:55:15.200 and looking for other people, but those that will find us will find us. There's a law of attraction,

01:55:19.760 even without activism, people will find you. And that background work, that kind of,

01:55:23.680 I call it the broad head strategy in the sense that, you know, that starts appealing to people

01:55:27.760 that maybe aren't hardcore ideologues or really spiritually motivated, but it appeals to building more

01:55:33.520 of a Noah's Ark, you know, not that I'm a Christian, but you know, this idea that you're going to save

01:55:38.160 more of, of the folk, you're going to save more of the people and, um, uh, you're, you're creating

01:55:43.200 a better alternative to people. So at an individual level, sure. Uh, be the, be the Ubermensch, be the

01:55:49.840 coming man, uh, you know, develop yourselves as best as you can display, uh, put your genes on the

01:55:55.600 best display that you can put them on. Don't be brought down by society. Society is decaying and crumbling

01:56:00.960 around you. And, uh, to be able to insulate and isolate yourselves from that decay and to actually

01:56:06.000 go the other way is what it means to be a good national socialist or, or a good area or however

01:56:10.640 you want to put it, a good white man. And, you know, have as big a family as you can manage and,

01:56:16.160 and, and marry a woman that has the same values as you and wants to be on the same path with you and,

01:56:22.160 and build up your resources as an individual. Sure. Um, but we won't win this as a collection of

01:56:27.040 individuals. You know, we can eventually have to bring our talents together, right? That's,

01:56:31.680 that's what has to happen. We need them. We need to mobilize. We need to tribe up.

01:56:35.120 And, uh, I'll finish on this point. Politics is ultimately power and the government has all the

01:56:41.760 power. The government and its institutions are completely taken over and you can try to subvert

01:56:46.880 them from within re unsubvert them. However, the mental gymnastics of that works and the people

01:56:51.360 doing that good on them and keep going. Uh, it's better than nothing. Absolutely. Uh,

01:56:55.280 but I believe that the most important thing is to build a new government.

01:56:58.720 Uh, I believe that when we have built enough of our own manpower, enough of our own resources,

01:57:03.280 enough of our own skills and build them into a network, a tribal network together.

01:57:07.680 And as we network with these other groups, eventually we become a replacement, a parallel

01:57:12.400 government to the government. And then, and only then is there going to be any sort of solution,

01:57:16.720 whether that solution be political, cultural, economic, whatever, it doesn't matter.

01:57:20.160 Only then is there going to be a solution and not a millisecond before you're not going

01:57:24.320 to win. Nationalists aren't going to win without a prototype to display nationalists.

01:57:28.960 Aren't going to win over the majority of the population by saying, Hey, we're, we're white

01:57:34.160 nationals and we want mass deportations and we want what's best for you. You should vote for us.

01:57:39.440 The average white person is like, Hmm, things are bad, but they're kind of stable.

01:57:42.880 These guys will probably create a race war. So I'm not going to vote for them.

01:57:45.440 So there's no solution to the problem that doesn't include actually building a prototype

01:57:51.600 society that you rule over already. And then you're saying to the rest of the white people

01:57:55.440 that don't live in your society, Hey, look at what we've built under our leadership.

01:57:58.640 We want to do this for the whole country. This is, this is, this is what we're doing.

01:58:02.080 This is how it's going to look. This is how it's going to be. And in the meantime,

01:58:05.760 while the majority aren't supporting of us to put us in power, come join us, come live with us,

01:58:11.120 come see what life is like with other white races.

01:58:13.440 And when white racism is cooler and better and it has all the benefits, then, and only then will

01:58:18.800 you win over the neutrals. But whether we win over the neutrals or not, we will have our pocket of

01:58:25.440 light and that pocket of light will develop. And if it holds onto its strength and its truth and its

01:58:29.600 honor and its blood, most importantly, then we will prevail, blood and honor.

01:58:34.240 Yeah. But what I, what I always say in regards to this as well is that one of the most important

01:58:40.560 things you can do as a nationalist or white nationalist or Nazi or whatever is to be as cool

01:58:48.400 and interesting and attractive as possible. And then try and get together with as many other cool,

01:58:55.600 interesting and attractive, uh, fellow Nazis and, and create, um, cool, interesting, uh, attractive

01:59:04.160 scenes, uh, where you're doing all this cool, interesting and attractive stuff to the point

01:59:09.040 where you're not trying to convince, like, please, please listen to my podcast. Please like, listen to me

01:59:16.640 spurg out about how the Holocaust was fake for 10 hours. And the guy's like, I just want to,

01:59:21.120 I just want to talk about the football or something. It's like, you become so cool. They

01:59:25.040 want to come and be a part of what you're doing because they look around at society and culture

01:59:28.960 is so dead and so boring and so uninspiring. And then there's something inspiring and fun

01:59:34.880 that you're doing that they want to be a part of you attract people in it's way more effective,

01:59:41.440 um, than trying to plead or, or, um, yeah, trying to push something upon when you can attract them or

01:59:48.080 you can attract. So that's what we need to develop more as a movement is just more doing more cool

01:59:53.600 shit. Basically. Um, that's, uh, just so you know, Joel, I don't have any, uh, fat, ugly friends.

02:00:03.120 Actually the other day I was like, I was getting together with all my girlfriends and I'm like,

02:00:06.000 oh my God, they all look like models. You know, when other girls come around, they all get like

02:00:10.400 intimidated, but I see how effective even that is the way we talk, like our lingo and stuff. And then

02:00:16.720 when they say like, oh, another, uh, there's a beautiful woman and she's talking like that,

02:00:20.880 then, oh, I guess it must be okay. And then, okay, I'm going to let my hair down and like talk

02:00:25.200 about these things now. I see how that works. It seems, it seems shallow, but that's just human

02:00:30.320 nature.

02:00:31.600 It's true. I mean, I was out drinking the other night in Melbourne, which was a few months ago.

02:00:36.080 I think this, the Roman salute had already been banned. Uh, it had already been made illegal,

02:00:42.480 but I was drunk and it was three o'clock in the morning. And so I was just trying to get as many

02:00:45.520 people to do it as possible on the street. And, um, I was going up to girls and the pretty girls

02:00:51.760 would do it. And then their ugly friends would get really upset. And, uh, and it was this constant

02:00:57.920 iterative pattern. So I definitely believe in, uh, yeah, you, you want hot chicks. You want,

02:01:04.160 you want guys that, uh, you know, that have like a martial quality. Uh, you want guys that women are,

02:01:10.800 if you have hot Nazi guys, then women are like, damn, I want to become a Nazi. Look at like,

02:01:15.600 look at the quality, like, look at the leftist bros over here with their soy milkshakes, or

02:01:22.080 I don't really agree about like the whole Hitler thing, but those guys are kind of cute.

02:01:26.400 But he's so hot.

02:01:27.040 Yeah, exactly. It, it, it makes like that actually makes more of a difference than

02:01:33.200 you're explaining about how if, you know, but, oh, but race and IQ and like read this book

02:01:38.880 called the bell curve or something immediately, it's just crickets, you know, for a lot of people. So

02:01:44.160 that's something that we need to, we're working on it. It's something that we need to keep developing

02:01:47.520 because, um, like we have to show people why the white race is, uh, worth fighting for in the first

02:01:56.640 place, like why you should actually love your people. You have to become lovable. Um, so, so

02:02:02.800 that's also, also, I think online activism, a lot of people, you know, a lot of people just stay on

02:02:09.200 online. And so often Tom has to come on and be like, you can't just be on the computer or on your

02:02:14.320 phone. You have to actually meet, uh, people and form communities. And that's an important message,

02:02:19.360 but the reverse message is also important. There's a lot of people I notice on Twitter, for example,

02:02:24.000 people who they'll like all my tweets. And then I click on their profile and their profile is just

02:02:30.000 retweeting things and liking things. They never actually say anything. Uh, that's not actually

02:02:36.800 helpful. You're basically just a consumer. You're a passive consumer. Like it isn't actually that

02:02:42.560 difficult to join cacophonies in replies, in comment sections, to amplify certain forms of messaging.

02:02:49.840 Um, we're creating a discourse with the system. Like the online discourse does actually create a

02:02:55.440 discourse with powerful elements. Um, constantly harassing conservatives, uh, calling them traitors,

02:03:01.600 calling them cucks and so on, because they are, they're too weak on immigration or, uh, you know,

02:03:07.520 constantly talking about the Jewish question or whatever, like whatever hot button issue generating

02:03:13.200 controversy, amplifying certain messaging causes these people to respond. Uh, maybe the conservatives

02:03:19.040 start having a little bit more edgy messaging and trying to include the talking points, or, um,

02:03:23.920 maybe there's just people that are reading the replies and, and you're delegitimizing these.

02:03:28.720 They thought that these guys were really based in a right wing, and then they see all the replies, uh,

02:03:33.920 telling them off for being way insufficiently right wing. And that kind of expands their consciousness on,

02:03:38.240 on where, you know, what's possible to think politically and the same with leftists. Like if you can get,

02:03:44.240 if we can get the system to, you know, what, uh, Tom's organization, our organization has done very

02:03:50.400 effectively is we've forced the system and the media and so on to constantly talk about us to the

02:03:57.920 point now where it's like a brand, like in Australia, millions of people know who we are.

02:04:02.480 If we show up in uniform on a street with the banner out, they know who we are, you know,

02:04:08.720 when we walk past and that's potent that creates an actual personalized expression of the idea.

02:04:16.640 It isn't just like an abstract idea. It becomes a group of people. Um, and that, and that changes

02:04:23.040 how people interpret things psychologically. And, you know, I've been out with the boys on marches and

02:04:28.560 the majority of the public, uh, saying things that are supportive as opposed where you, and it's like,

02:04:37.440 everyone knows it's neo-Nazis in like walking in balaclavas down a street. Uh, this is like pretty

02:04:44.400 like radical stuff. Like even by the standards of the dissident, right? It's one of the most radical

02:04:48.960 organizations, most radical optics in the world. Yet a bunch of normal people are like,

02:04:54.880 fuck yeah, because they can see that that's, there's nothing else that has got the balls to

02:05:00.080 really provide a public demonstrable, serious opposition to what is happening. And they know

02:05:05.600 that it's just like the average person knows that things are seriously fucked up. And if the

02:05:10.480 only people standing up against it are Nazis, they'll clap and cheer for the Nazis. So.

02:05:15.200 All right. Well, we'll have to keep an eye on Australia and what you guys are doing.

02:05:19.760 You have to tell us about, I know you guys have a show that you do together.

02:05:23.600 Let us know all that information. People want to go check you guys out.

02:05:26.320 Yeah, just follow me on Rumble. Uh, my channel is Joel Davis, um, rumble.com slash Joel Davis.

02:05:35.840 And I stream, we stream every week on Australian politics, but we talk, we don't always just talk

02:05:41.280 about Australian politics. We talk about general ideas. Uh, the show generally is, was originally

02:05:47.920 myself and Blair Cottrell, who's another, um, prominent Australian nationalist. Uh, uh,

02:05:54.160 but Tom comes on almost every week. So it's kind of like the Joel Blair and Tom show, but sometimes

02:05:59.280 one of them can't make it. And so it's just me and one of them, as opposed to both of them.

02:06:03.040 I see Blair is still banned from Twitter as well, from X. I saw you guys were, um, um, hammering

02:06:09.200 E on there. So is Tom now.

02:06:10.320 Like what's up? Tom just got banned a week ago.

02:06:12.320 Yeah. Look at that. Yeah. Elon Musk celebrated X's win over Australia's censorship.

02:06:17.760 Uh, today is a victory for free speech, but many Aussie nationalists, including Blair

02:06:21.440 Cottrell remain banned. Right. And he was never told what, why he got suspended.

02:06:26.800 So, well, he's been banned since 2018. He's since the Musk takeover, he hasn't, he's appealed

02:06:33.200 the suspension over and over again. They won't reinstate him. They won't say why they won't

02:06:37.760 even identify what the original tweet was. It was probably because the government asked for

02:06:41.680 him to be banned. That's probably why. Uh, but yeah, they want to, he wants to go on Twitter

02:06:47.120 and be like, Oh, X is the only free speech platform. And we're standing up to the Australian

02:06:51.040 government, but Blair's banned. Tom's banned now as well. Yeah.

02:06:56.160 Jared Taylor, American Renaissance hasn't brought him back. David Duke. He's not brought back.

02:07:00.080 Yeah. There's, there's a list. Yeah. Mark Collett, um, and the other

02:07:04.400 Patriotic alternative people, they're all banned. Um, Elon Musk was like, Oh, it's horrible that

02:07:09.200 Sam Amelia has gone to jail for stickers. That's abhorrent, but he won't unban his Twitter account.

02:07:13.680 What is going on? He's a hypocrite. Yeah. Jeez.

02:07:18.320 All right. Thomas, anything else you want to say before we let you guys go? Cause I know we can talk

02:07:21.680 for hours. We could talk for hours. So I'll let you guys go. But on the Twitter subject,

02:07:27.120 uh, I think the last video I did, I put up a post talking about how I can't fight in the shadows.

02:07:33.040 I just not how I'm built. I have to fight in the light. And it's interesting because, uh,

02:07:38.560 Musk put up something about how these neo-Nazis and these radical elements,

02:07:42.560 we shouldn't have them in the shadows. We should have them in the light. We should give them free

02:07:46.000 speech because, you know, it's, uh, it's important for society to be able to see what they have to

02:07:50.240 say and then ridicule them for how crazy and insane they are. And then they say these, you know,

02:07:56.240 these centered people trying to keep the ship together or keep the fulcrum together. They say

02:08:00.880 these things, but they don't deliver, uh, because they're actually very afraid of the public hearing

02:08:05.280 what we have to say, because when the public hears what we have to say, even though there are some

02:08:09.440 pretty full on outcomes from what we have to say, they inherently recognize its sensibility. It's we

02:08:19.280 are just a return of common sense. The way the conservatives talk about it, we're the actual

02:08:23.600 version of common sense. Like the common sense is we don't want Australia to turn into India.

02:08:28.240 So obviously how we go about that is, you know, pretty full on, but the common sense is we don't

02:08:33.440 want Australia to turn into India and everyone's on board with that except the one percent communist

02:08:38.240 Jew freaks. So yeah, I want to be in the light. I want to be in the light. I want to, um, you know,

02:08:44.880 not because I want the spotlight on me, but I, I just, I think there's something important that

02:08:48.400 some of us have to say, and I have the energy and, uh, I have the fire. So I want to be in the light

02:08:53.840 and they're, they're keeping a lot of us in the shadows like Blair and myself, and maybe Joel might

02:08:58.240 suffer in the future. I want Joel to be very careful. He's, um, he's, he's surfing the Kali

02:09:03.120 Yuga like me. And, uh, you know, you say the wrong thing or you draw the wrong attention and they'll

02:09:07.920 strike you down. Um, but yeah, at the moment I'm, I'm operating in the shadows and I don't,

02:09:11.760 I don't mind that in the sense that maybe I need to take a break from social media and work on the

02:09:15.840 organization more and build its, build its, uh, strength in other ways rather than just the

02:09:21.840 spotlight. So yeah, certainly I just trust, I, you know, I don't want to sound like a Q and on,

02:09:26.720 but I just trust the plan. I trust God. Uh, I believe that all of this is just unlocking

02:09:30.960 and unfolding our future. And, uh, if that's, you know, you just got to roll with the punches.

02:09:35.600 That's what I said when we came on the show, seven months in jail, it is what it is.

02:09:39.040 It is censored on telegram. It is what it is. Bank account shut down. It is what it is. So many

02:09:43.040 people are paralyzed by fear. They're like, Oh, but if I get involved, Oh, but if I do this,

02:09:48.080 Oh, but then this will happen. It's like, yeah. And then, and then, and then this will happen.

02:09:52.880 And then, and then like, it's, it's, it's overcome or die. It's just overcome or die.

02:09:58.720 And that's, that's all I have to say, overcome or die. Like, so we just die. When all these people

02:10:03.680 put up all these roadblocks for me, like, Oh, I'd like to get involved or I'd like to do something,

02:10:07.600 but I'm worried about this. It's like, so just die. Just, why don't you just kill yourself?

02:10:10.800 Why don't you just die? Cause what you're just living for hedonism now. You're just like, Oh,

02:10:14.240 I like my comforts. I'll just stay alive for my comforts. I don't care that society's going down the drain.

02:10:18.320 I don't care that my grandsons won't actually be able to have the comforts I have. I'll get the

02:10:22.560 comforts. And I'm just, I just think to myself, it's so philosophically, and it's usually older

02:10:27.120 men that say this stuff, not younger men. Most young guys I meet, most young men that I meet,

02:10:32.240 they haven't had a spirit crushed yet. They haven't had their, they haven't been demoralized by the

02:10:36.960 forces of the modern world. And they still, they're still true to their nature. Like, like society's

02:10:43.440 effed up. My teachers are all wrong. You know, I'm going to say faggot because I hate faggots,

02:10:49.760 you know, whatever it is like, they've still got some spirit left in them. And,

02:10:52.720 and I think we should, we should, it's like a, it's like a Aryan barbarian and we should cultivate

02:10:57.520 that. I don't think we should neuter the, the barbarian nature of the white man.

02:11:02.480 Oh, absolutely. And I think it has been neutered. It already has been neutered. We need to reawaken.

02:11:09.200 Yes. And part of that is the kids. Too many white bitches. We've got so many white

02:11:13.360 bitches. That's why we're in the position we're in right now. Yeah. If, if even 10% of the white race

02:11:19.200 had my mentality, we'd be running the fucking world. I think that they're, yeah, I think there

02:11:24.320 are a lot of guys that do have your mentality. They just have it quietly. But when they get together

02:11:28.480 with other bros, you know, they, they talk that way. I mean, we have to summon the strength.

02:11:34.400 We have to summon the strength. And that's why children is important, guys. You got to raise

02:11:39.680 those kids to have that fire, to know these things, to combat these things and not crush their souls so

02:11:44.960 that they're, you know, future warriors. I mean, we're raising the next generations. This is probably

02:11:49.200 going to be a long war. You know, we need to be warriors ourselves. Yeah, of course.

02:11:53.600 Our children look up to us. Yeah. Our children, our children look at us. And if we're a coward,

02:11:58.400 there's a strong chance that our sons are going to be cowards. Yes. We don't need coward sons.

02:12:03.840 I'll leave it there because we'll talk all day. Yeah. We need some Vikings and shield maidens. But

02:12:07.280 thank you guys so much. Appreciate you taking your time. We'll have to do it again in the future.

02:12:12.320 Thanks so much. Thank you.

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Radio 3Fourteen - June 14, 2024

Joel Davis & Thomas Sewell - Nationalism For White People & Activist Persecution in Australia

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