Radio 3Fourteen - Kratom

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00:00:32.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.760 Welcome back to Radio 314, part of the Red Ice Network.

00:00:49.100 I'm Lana here with you today talking to Johnny Enoch, who joins us from KratomAssociation.org

00:00:54.160 to discuss my favorite herb, Kratom, which has personally helped me with pain when I

00:00:58.260 needed it and also anxiety.

00:00:59.960 Many people these days report unusual heightened anxiety, and these are people who never experienced

00:01:04.760 it before.

00:01:05.760 I think this might be because of the changing frequencies of our universe.

00:01:09.220 Maybe the matrix is beginning to come apart.

00:01:11.600 But sometimes you need help getting grounded, and Kratom can help with that and so much more.

00:01:15.940 Johnny went to college to become a counselor and specialized in addiction, study, and psychology.

00:01:20.960 Additionally, he gives psychic greetings and does clinical hypnotherapy focusing on Dr.

00:01:25.280 Michael Newton's technique of life-between-life regressions, a topic Henrik has covered on

00:01:30.280 Red Ice Radio.

00:01:31.840 Johnny has also taught metaphysical subjects and lectured extensively.

00:01:35.460 He ran a fairly popular podcast and put out two printed publications on esoteric and metaphysical

00:01:41.100 subjects.

00:01:42.140 He's also belonged to several Kabbalistic magical orders.

00:01:45.240 Currently, he's working on an interesting book, which we'll talk about, and an online TV show.

00:01:50.300 It's called The Johnny Enick Show, exploring fascinating topics such as the multiverse,

00:01:55.000 interdimensional realities, the penile gland, DNA changes, ET, and sacred geometry.

00:02:00.500 Hi, Johnny.

00:02:01.080 How are you in Canada today?

00:02:02.600 I'm very good.

00:02:03.280 Thank you.

00:02:03.660 I really appreciate you guys having me on today on your show.

00:02:07.680 Great.

00:02:08.560 Hey, you sent me an email talking a little bit about your childhood.

00:02:12.060 I couldn't believe your parents made you say heaven-o-copter instead of helicopter.

00:02:16.840 Seriously?

00:02:18.360 Yeah, absolutely.

00:02:19.640 But, you know, I really believe from an experiential point that we're all unique constellations of

00:02:26.100 language and environmental factors that by me coming into that position, as we've learned

00:02:31.600 from, you know, studying past lives and transmigration, that, you know, coming into, like, a strict

00:02:38.100 religious upbringing in an area where I did have to say heaven-o-copter, and instead of,

00:02:43.660 you know, where other kids were hiding Playboys under their bed, I was hiding metaphysical books

00:02:47.840 and New Age books under my bed.

00:02:50.080 It kind of caused me to look at these things more thoroughly and open up my thinking today.

00:02:56.060 So, in a way, I'm kind of grateful for it, you know?

00:02:58.400 So, do they think that you're lost to the dark side now?

00:03:02.600 Well, my dad has always been very open-minded.

00:03:05.180 He's been a really great influence on my life with reading books.

00:03:09.220 He's a teacher and very much into linguistics and all these sort of areas.

00:03:13.140 So, for me, you know, there's support on that area.

00:03:16.500 But, you know, generally, I think as we get older, if we're lucky enough to know our parents

00:03:21.680 and understand that they're always doing their best, you know, they tend to respect our

00:03:25.780 points of view as we get older, right?

00:03:27.800 That's right.

00:03:28.300 Well, let's begin talking about KratomAssociation.org and how you became a part of it and what

00:03:33.500 their mission is.

00:03:35.180 Absolutely.

00:03:35.940 Well, the Kratom Association was basically formed because there was a lot of negative press

00:03:41.080 coming out about Kratom.

00:03:42.460 Oh, yeah.

00:03:42.780 And absolutely.

00:03:44.600 And the thing is, is that it's not just Kratom that this has been started with.

00:03:48.780 What we've started to see with the Codex Salimatarius and we've seen with these various

00:03:53.480 UN-based agendas, which are supported by the pharmaceutical companies, is we start to see

00:03:59.220 there's a real push against Kratom and other herbs.

00:04:03.260 Because, you know, even if you look in Europe, what's been happening with homeopathy or these

00:04:08.280 kinkatures, we've started to see that, you know, vitamins, herbs, all these things are

00:04:12.600 now being put down under lock and key.

00:04:15.120 And I think really when we look at some of the alkaloids from Kratom, which have been

00:04:19.680 7-hydroxymitriganine and mitriganine itself, we've started to see that these things have

00:04:25.700 various patents pending on them.

00:04:27.640 And there's definitely a push to kind of demonize or villainize this plant.

00:04:32.720 And really what we've started to see is that there's a lot of quoting and misappropriation

00:04:37.700 of facts against Kratom that have been on the lines of saying that it is some sort of

00:04:43.480 addictive substance that was banned in Thailand.

00:04:46.040 But in fact, when it was banned in Thailand in 1943 with the Kratom Act, that was because

00:04:51.860 it was helping people get off opium in the British Opium Wars.

00:04:55.460 So what we also start to see is that not only have there been these gross exaggerations,

00:05:02.560 but there has been absolutely appalling news stories by ABC News, NBC News.

00:05:10.400 Oh, I've seen several of them.

00:05:11.340 They piss me off.

00:05:12.780 Yeah.

00:05:13.180 So really what we begin to see with the likes of Dr. Rodriguez and you see all these guys

00:05:18.940 coming out embellishing the facts that we've seen this harsh push against Kratom.

00:05:24.020 So we were basically like, okay, something needs to be done.

00:05:27.620 And it's basically a group formed by like-minded individuals that have volunteered their time

00:05:33.900 and we've all just kind of put out factual information.

00:05:37.540 Oh, great.

00:05:38.580 Well, what is Kratom used for and how do you take it?

00:05:42.920 Wow.

00:05:43.320 What can it not be used for?

00:05:45.000 Let's just put it that way.

00:05:46.200 If we look at the pharmacological reports that have been done, that have documented it as

00:05:52.240 an orally active opiate analgesic, or we look over at traditional Thai medicine, what we

00:05:59.000 begin to see that it's not only an incredible pain reliever, but we also begin to see that

00:06:04.360 it has been used from everything for deworming people to sort of a local anesthetic.

00:06:09.940 It's been used for its antidepressant qualities, its ability to help a person concentrate.

00:06:19.220 It's been used as basically an antiseptic.

00:06:21.540 It's been mixed in with water and put on the skin and used as a paste for skin conditions.

00:06:26.960 I mean, it's being used as soaps, candles, incenses.

00:06:31.160 I mean, it's absolutely just incredible stuff, I feel.

00:06:34.340 And it doesn't pollute the water supply and change the sex of fish like so many antidepressants.

00:06:41.140 Yeah, there's no BPA in it.

00:06:43.320 That's right.

00:06:44.440 It's organic, you know, it's cultivated out in the jungles and whatnot.

00:06:49.480 So how do you take it, including the dosages?

00:06:52.960 Okay, well, you know, there's a number of ways of taking it.

00:06:55.720 Some people forget the loose kratom that they'll mix it in and they'll put it in a cup,

00:07:00.360 or they'll put it in a teapot, sorry, and then they'll kind of use,

00:07:05.040 they'll have to use a lot more that way and then they can make a tea that will be like 28, 30 grams

00:07:10.380 and all that sort of stuff.

00:07:11.700 But the more efficient way that has certainly become traditional in the last few years

00:07:17.260 that have spanned out as kratom has become like a worldwide phenomena

00:07:20.320 is you get these fine grind powders that start to become ground down

00:07:25.740 and there's been ways over the years that this has been perfected.

00:07:28.540 But generally, a person would mix it in with warm to hot water.

00:07:33.140 They would stir it around so it sort of dissolves.

00:07:35.400 And then they'd use a water chaser.

00:07:37.260 And that water chaser, I find, would be the most important part of the process

00:07:40.860 that you would use because of the fact that you want to clear the esophagus

00:07:46.000 and the water pathway that's coming down.

00:07:48.560 And I really think that there has been a sort of a, I don't know,

00:07:53.740 an unpopular way of doing it that people have talked about

00:07:56.660 which they've just take, you know, a little bit of kratom powder,

00:08:00.460 put it in their mouth and swallowed it.

00:08:02.080 Meanwhile, they're swallowing all these kind of particles and it's getting stuck

00:08:05.400 and, you know, there's a lot of frustration.

00:08:07.480 Who does that? Seriously?

00:08:08.380 Yeah, there's been a trend of that going on.

00:08:13.440 But generally with kratom, it's less is more.

00:08:16.520 And the less people take on that level, the better.

00:08:19.760 And what we've also seen is that there have been various forms

00:08:22.700 that people have gotten kratom in as well as the various varieties of it

00:08:26.900 which have different effects.

00:08:28.640 And the truth is that there's a lot of these extracts out there

00:08:31.840 that people are taking.

00:08:33.300 And they're the thrill seeker types that you see going out

00:08:36.280 and trying it out in the news.

00:08:38.660 These extracts, which we've seen have been problematic before,

00:08:42.580 have basically, they're a higher concentrated dose

00:08:45.520 of two of the alkaloids that are found in kratom

00:08:48.000 which are 7-hydroxychornithyde and cornithyde,

00:08:51.200 or no, sorry, not cornithyde, 7-hydroxymitriganine

00:08:54.240 and mitriganine itself.

00:08:57.220 And when a person takes these, what happens is that

00:09:00.300 they get more of the sedative narcotic effects very, very quickly.

00:09:03.100 But when you actually take the actual leaf itself,

00:09:05.820 there is actually sort of an antagonist sort of property

00:09:10.340 that helps you from building up tolerance.

00:09:12.640 And that property is 9-hydroxychornithyde and cornithyde,

00:09:16.840 which we find in high concentrations in the stem and vein of kratom.

00:09:20.820 So you can actually get stem and vein powder

00:09:23.700 that a person can mix in now and then.

00:09:26.660 And basically, it would start to wean off a person's tolerance.

00:09:31.180 So again, there's so much that we could look at there on how to take it.

00:09:36.140 For example, I'd just like to get into quickly.

00:09:38.960 If a person were looking at a variety of kratom to substitute a coffee

00:09:43.240 or to give them energy for the day,

00:09:45.880 you basically get these white vein varieties of kratom.

00:09:49.540 And you get that a lot from the Sumatra region.

00:09:51.880 They're very uplifting.

00:09:52.900 They're cerebral, energetic.

00:09:54.260 And if they get into those particular areas,

00:09:58.380 they could get something that's going to be more uplifting for their day.

00:10:01.340 For more of a relaxing effect or a pain reliever effect,

00:10:05.200 we get into red vein varieties.

00:10:07.420 You'd get like your Borneo red or even a green.

00:10:11.400 And basically, people blend these and mix them together

00:10:14.160 for different effects as well.

00:10:15.680 But what I'd really like to say quickly is we've seen a problem from these extracts

00:10:22.300 most recently, as you're probably aware, in Sweden,

00:10:26.280 most certainly in other areas where we've seen a synthetic product known as tramadol,

00:10:31.440 like a pharmaceutical from that level, being mixed in,

00:10:35.220 which has caused people to have various problems.

00:10:38.360 And thus, this has created a problem from them banning and looking at the alkaloids, right?

00:10:43.020 That's right.

00:10:43.500 And they blame everything.

00:10:44.780 I noticed, too, in the news, a lot of times they blame everything on Kratom

00:10:47.620 and don't look at what that idiot mixed it with, you know,

00:10:51.380 to really overdo it and take it over the edge.

00:10:54.200 Absolutely.

00:10:54.880 And for me, one of the big,

00:10:58.600 one of the things that has helped me greatly is the fact that when I went to school,

00:11:03.400 I had to take pharmacology.

00:11:05.620 Because, you know, looking into different addiction studies,

00:11:09.740 and by the way, if you ever want to look into some ideas

00:11:12.520 and theories on addiction, which I think are bang on,

00:11:16.120 is right out of Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada,

00:11:18.540 we have a doctor named Dr. Gébal Marté.

00:11:21.820 And I really recommend everybody checks him out

00:11:23.980 or looks him up on the new Zeitgeist film,

00:11:26.740 where he's going into detail and talking about the addiction theory

00:11:30.940 and sort of disproving the genetic myth.

00:11:34.620 And in fact, people and persons with addictive personalities and whatnot,

00:11:38.580 that actually starts in utero.

00:11:40.040 It starts from childhood and you start to see these areas build up.

00:11:44.740 But yeah, I think that's really where we're at with it.

00:11:48.280 So if someone is depressed, just give an example,

00:11:50.500 and they want to take some powder, I mean,

00:11:52.300 how much do they take throughout the day?

00:11:53.940 I mean, a couple teaspoons or what are we looking at?

00:11:56.180 Well, first of all, I want to say before I talk about that,

00:12:00.500 I want to give a quick admonishment that I'm not urging anyone to go out and take it.

00:12:05.660 Most certainly, I'm not a doctor.

00:12:07.060 I can't give medical advice.

00:12:08.740 And I will urge people to use common sense, if possible,

00:12:12.820 if they have an open-minded health care provider,

00:12:15.080 most certainly check through.

00:12:17.000 Everyone's biochemistry is different.

00:12:19.840 Most certainly, we all have a unique neurophysiology and a biodiversity, right?

00:12:26.320 But I will say this, if a person were looking at that,

00:12:29.760 I always tell, I used to tell people from like a harm reduction point of view,

00:12:33.600 is that if you were starting off with crown and powder,

00:12:36.300 start like with a 3.5 or 4, just kind of see where you are.

00:12:40.040 I've seen people take too much and it's really put them over the top.

00:12:43.480 And in the past, nobody even wanted to talk about this subject

00:12:46.560 because they wanted to keep it out of the public spotlight.

00:12:49.500 But now is the time that we have to talk about it.

00:12:51.520 And for taking it for like a depression or an anxiety or a worry,

00:12:57.040 I would say, you know, a Bali sort of variety.

00:13:00.520 And of course, we discussed before the show that there is no true Bali.

00:13:04.400 They're actually out of like, let's say, more so the Borneo area would be very good.

00:13:09.780 I would think that, you know, a green Malaysian or a Meng Da,

00:13:14.440 which is traditionally thought of as like a Thai variety,

00:13:16.880 they're very energetic and I find that if you get like a mixture, like a blend,

00:13:21.980 if you're getting like a white vein, which is your energy one that we mentioned,

00:13:25.480 and the red vein, which is your relaxing, mixed in with these powders,

00:13:29.220 I think that they're going to be,

00:13:30.720 they're going to give a very good sort of euphoric, relaxing,

00:13:34.460 helping friend to get through the day.

00:13:37.300 And it's about as attractive as a cup of coffee, I think.

00:13:41.160 Can you overdose on it?

00:13:42.440 Well, this is the thing.

00:13:45.060 The typical overdoses that you're going to see,

00:13:47.320 they're not like the overdose of like, let's say, you know, over-the-counter pills.

00:13:52.320 I mean, certainly people have died from aspirin.

00:13:54.620 They're not like, you know, street narcotics.

00:13:57.540 The typical overdose from a person on Kratom is going to be the fact

00:14:00.780 that they're going to feel nauseous.

00:14:01.920 So they're going to feel sick and they're going to go,

00:14:04.040 man, I'm not going to do that again, is what they're going to say.

00:14:06.380 See, that's the other thing.

00:14:07.200 I saw a report with this girl saying in the news,

00:14:09.440 oh, they need to ban it.

00:14:10.600 I got so nauseous after having it.

00:14:12.460 And it's like, well, you can't just go take heaps of anything the first time

00:14:15.240 and expect just no results.

00:14:16.540 It's like you can have too much coffee or too much alcohol and get sick.

00:14:19.540 So what, should we have the government regulate all that too, you know?

00:14:23.000 Exactly.

00:14:23.480 And that's, I think that's the key thing with Kratom

00:14:25.340 is that it has a property basically known as auto titration,

00:14:29.100 that a person is going to come to a certain point

00:14:31.320 where they're going to say, well, hey, you know what?

00:14:33.200 I've had too much.

00:14:34.040 I'm not going to keep doing that.

00:14:36.080 And I mean, there's a lot to be said about that,

00:14:38.300 that even the people that were on the news complaining about it,

00:14:41.360 they recognized that enough was enough.

00:14:44.160 Kratom is not a dangerous product.

00:14:46.840 There really is no history of abuse of it.

00:14:49.880 And those that have had situations where they wanted to come off of it,

00:14:54.320 they were basically coming to that conclusion of their own accord.

00:14:57.960 And really, I really think that when we look at that story

00:15:01.800 with Michelle Tazarak, who's in the news,

00:15:04.540 you know, talking about her Kratom problem,

00:15:07.040 she starts talking about the fact that she was basically put on opiate blockers.

00:15:11.100 And I think that when we look at that,

00:15:13.100 you're looking at like dangerous drugs like Suboxone,

00:15:15.380 which have a high fatality rate,

00:15:17.300 that we start to see that people are doing this.

00:15:20.660 We're talking about a dangerous drug

00:15:22.260 where there are a lot of fatalities attached to it

00:15:24.180 and it's far more addictive and far more harmful than Kratom.

00:15:27.020 And she was actually taking both of them at the same time

00:15:30.620 and pushing it to the boundaries.

00:15:32.280 Now, your typical Kratom user,

00:15:34.320 even historically, if you want to look at some historicity here,

00:15:37.580 your typical Kratom user have been like workers

00:15:40.740 and people who have worked far harder

00:15:42.760 or people who have, you know,

00:15:45.020 been able to use this to boost their concentration,

00:15:48.240 to help them through tedious tasks.

00:15:50.520 We're not talking about people that are, you know, out of it here.

00:15:53.640 We're talking about something that's helping people read better.

00:15:56.580 It's helping them to concentrate better.

00:15:58.220 It's helping them to focus.

00:15:59.140 I know a lot of people that have used it to go throughout their day

00:16:01.980 and to them, this has been an absolute miracle.

00:16:05.280 You have no idea how many, I would say hundreds,

00:16:09.640 maybe even close to a thousand,

00:16:12.120 hundreds of testimonies that have poured in

00:16:14.880 to the Kratom Association of people saying,

00:16:17.420 this has saved their life.

00:16:18.480 It's gotten them off of, you know, dangerous prescriptions.

00:16:21.740 It's basically brought their relationship back.

00:16:24.000 It's curved their cravings for alcohol.

00:16:25.840 I mean, it's an absolute miracle for what it's done

00:16:28.360 to get people off of opioids

00:16:29.780 and everything from their oxycodones

00:16:33.160 and their heroin addictions

00:16:34.680 because, you know, it's fantastic for that.

00:16:37.620 Well, that's why Big Pharma is like,

00:16:38.920 uh-oh, we need to do something about this.

00:16:42.400 Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:43.360 And that's basically where we're at.

00:16:45.200 And I think we're starting to see that with all things.

00:16:48.060 But I'm certainly glad that people are getting educated,

00:16:50.560 that, you know, there have been agendas out there

00:16:54.200 to put fluoride in our drinking water,

00:16:56.880 to feed us aspartame,

00:16:58.780 which is genetically modified E. coli bacteria

00:17:02.640 that's basically reeking the excrement of it.

00:17:06.060 You know, we are seeing that, you know,

00:17:08.420 we have had BPA added into our plastics

00:17:10.740 and things out there.

00:17:11.980 There have been crackdowns on our,

00:17:14.820 basically our natural substances.

00:17:16.500 And people were saying enough is enough

00:17:18.980 and consciousness is spreading.

00:17:20.700 That's right.

00:17:21.140 And chemicals are everywhere.

00:17:22.860 I mean, it's unavoidable.

00:17:24.180 I'm like a big hawk when it comes to reading labels

00:17:27.300 and looking what I'm putting on my skin,

00:17:28.960 even what I wash my clothes with.

00:17:30.400 And it's like, you go to the grocery store

00:17:32.020 and it's like, oh, do you want your dishes

00:17:33.420 to smell like apples?

00:17:34.980 It's ridiculous.

00:17:36.420 It's like, what chemical is that?

00:17:38.660 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:17:40.500 We're seeing that everywhere we look.

00:17:42.440 And the interesting thing is,

00:17:44.000 is that with these GMOs,

00:17:45.420 so the genetically modified foods

00:17:48.300 and everything else that we've seen,

00:17:50.360 more and more countries are becoming aware

00:17:53.000 of the problem with Monsanto and other groups.

00:17:55.700 And we're certainly seeing consciousness being spread.

00:17:58.580 The U.S. is like one of the only places

00:18:00.160 that you don't have to label products

00:18:02.980 if they're GMO products.

00:18:04.740 But most certainly-

00:18:05.540 I know people are lobbying to change that right now

00:18:08.040 because I just signed the petition for that as well.

00:18:10.560 It's beginning in California,

00:18:11.980 so hopefully that will spread, you know?

00:18:13.560 Absolutely. California seems to be

00:18:16.120 the birthplace of change,

00:18:17.860 most certainly for modern thinkers,

00:18:20.460 as we've seen, you know,

00:18:21.940 with the medical marijuana initiatives,

00:18:23.940 with gay marriage, with all these areas.

00:18:26.420 And, you know,

00:18:28.340 as we start to see these things coming before us,

00:18:30.860 I mean, most certainly in India,

00:18:32.140 we saw GMOs get kicked out of there too.

00:18:34.280 But, you know, it's really nice to see

00:18:36.700 that people are now taking notice of this.

00:18:38.900 And before we were considered

00:18:39.940 the conspiracy theorists of the nuts.

00:18:41.680 And now people are going,

00:18:42.680 wait a second, this is happening.

00:18:45.380 Some people think that if you get a buzz from a substance

00:18:47.620 or even feel euphoric from it,

00:18:49.140 that it's bad or unhealthy

00:18:50.240 as though humans are not meant to feel good.

00:18:51.820 Yet my cat goes crazy for catnip,

00:18:53.900 deer eat magic mushrooms,

00:18:55.260 birds drink fermented juice and berries

00:18:57.060 and get intoxicated.

00:18:58.480 So where does this kind of thinking come from

00:19:00.000 that we aren't allowed to feel good?

00:19:01.760 Well, I think that really there's been

00:19:04.840 a demonization of the word drugs, you know,

00:19:08.180 and most certainly if we look at

00:19:10.160 some of the work of Terrence McKenna

00:19:11.880 or even Bill Donahue,

00:19:13.540 we start to see, you know,

00:19:15.880 there is a history of these substances

00:19:19.200 being used all throughout mankind.

00:19:22.400 And really, if we look at like what all things are,

00:19:25.800 we start to see that air, water, you know, food,

00:19:29.880 all of these things are essentially drugs.

00:19:32.280 They're all giving us certain effects

00:19:33.680 and we have these plant teachers out there.

00:19:36.140 But I think one of the most fascinating things

00:19:38.360 is that inside of us, right from the pineal gland,

00:19:42.600 we excrete DMT, dimethyltryptamine,

00:19:45.080 which is essentially the most powerful

00:19:47.280 psychedelic hallucinogen that you could possibly have

00:19:50.380 that again, maybe in a bit,

00:19:52.500 we'll get to how that correlates

00:19:53.860 into spiritual experiences.

00:19:56.720 But most certainly, I really believe

00:19:59.060 that when we look at the essence

00:20:01.300 of what these things are doing,

00:20:03.080 we start to see,

00:20:04.500 especially when we look at the basis

00:20:07.800 of how hypnosis works,

00:20:09.620 that we have certain brainwave states

00:20:11.920 that are able to come into contact

00:20:14.220 with certain forms of consciousness.

00:20:16.520 And most certainly, perhaps the elites

00:20:18.800 or the hidden controllers

00:20:20.660 or those individuals

00:20:21.900 who have been studying us

00:20:23.320 for a very long time

00:20:24.480 and paying attention

00:20:25.460 to how human beings act,

00:20:27.660 they probably didn't want us

00:20:29.680 for the most part

00:20:30.400 to be able to go into those certain areas.

00:20:33.200 And, you know,

00:20:34.040 I think that that's what a lot

00:20:35.360 of these entheogens cause us to do

00:20:37.260 is to question reality

00:20:38.460 and question what's around us.

00:20:39.820 The other thing about kratom too,

00:20:41.000 I mean, the spiritual element

00:20:42.000 is it can take you

00:20:42.920 into that nice kind of dream time state.

00:20:45.420 You know, I've meditated for all my life

00:20:47.300 and if I have a little kratom and meditate,

00:20:49.200 it just takes you a little deeper.

00:20:51.120 It most certainly does.

00:20:54.120 And, you know, that's the thing.

00:20:55.340 I mean, even if we look at,

00:20:56.640 you know, marijuana

00:20:58.320 or Delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinoid, THC,

00:21:01.680 we start to see that we go,

00:21:03.920 when we're in that stage,

00:21:05.120 we go into sort of a Delta brainwave state

00:21:07.840 and it really does cause a person

00:21:09.940 to sort of think into another area.

00:21:12.400 And if we look at there's,

00:21:13.420 there's been a lot of amazing realizations

00:21:17.220 that have come from people taking substances.

00:21:19.180 Most certainly we've seen that

00:21:21.380 with, you know, the discovery of DNA

00:21:24.540 or we've seen, you know, Carl Jung or Freud.

00:21:27.880 Freud was taking cocaine

00:21:29.080 when he was, you know,

00:21:30.040 looking at a lot of these things.

00:21:31.560 If we, and you know, it's very interesting

00:21:33.280 if you were to actually take

00:21:34.900 most of the music albums that you appreciate,

00:21:36.940 because I know you're a musician

00:21:38.420 and I know you make music.

00:21:40.880 If you were to take, let's say, The Beatles

00:21:42.740 or you were to take Jimi Hendrix

00:21:44.940 or you were to take The Rolling Stones

00:21:46.800 or just about anything you want to put down on the table.

00:21:49.600 And I don't think any of us would argue

00:21:50.940 that you could take Snoop Dogg

00:21:52.320 and put it on the table.

00:21:53.800 You would see that most certainly

00:21:55.900 there has been an element

00:21:57.000 of these individuals tapping into a creative state

00:21:59.880 that normally they wouldn't have that extra push into.

00:22:03.800 And most certainly if we look at early religions,

00:22:06.840 there's a lot of evidence that's indicative

00:22:08.440 that there would be psilocybin mushrooms

00:22:10.680 or other areas that were used.

00:22:12.040 That's right.

00:22:14.000 I'd like to ask you how Kratom has helped you

00:22:16.240 or people you know

00:22:17.040 and how you first discovered it.

00:22:19.840 Okay, most certainly.

00:22:20.800 Well, you know, kind of on my journey and my path,

00:22:23.640 you know, I had kind of an interesting history

00:22:26.180 on how I came into all these areas.

00:22:29.360 And without giving the really long version,

00:22:31.580 I'll kind of give a quick synopsis

00:22:32.940 or a summation of it,

00:22:34.420 is that when I was younger, basically,

00:22:37.040 I went through a part of my life

00:22:39.920 that was, I would say, more negative,

00:22:43.780 but in a very positive way it was teaching me

00:22:45.960 when I kind of fell out from metaphysics.

00:22:48.420 Because when I was a young man,

00:22:49.640 I was really gung-ho on metaphysics.

00:22:51.680 And, you know, I started working

00:22:52.960 with these psychic fairs

00:22:54.340 while I was going to college for the second time,

00:22:57.580 you know, right around 18 and all that.

00:22:59.120 And I fell out into a bad crowd

00:23:02.280 and stopped kind of caring about myself

00:23:03.920 and what was going on in my life.

00:23:05.700 In that time, I was not only,

00:23:08.560 it was like, you know,

00:23:09.300 when you're not on your true trajectory

00:23:10.620 and you're not going in the path

00:23:12.580 where you're supposed to be going,

00:23:14.200 you know, things happen

00:23:15.720 that aren't necessarily, you know, for the best.

00:23:18.180 Just kind of like what Gary Zukav talks about

00:23:20.020 in The Seat of the Soul.

00:23:21.180 And so when I was in there,

00:23:22.900 you know, various things happened to me.

00:23:24.720 One of the things were,

00:23:25.880 is I was attacked by somebody

00:23:27.780 who was trying to rob me

00:23:29.260 and they stabbed me in my eyeball,

00:23:31.060 the left eye,

00:23:32.060 going toward my temple, actually.

00:23:35.700 Um, they stabbed me with a pair of scissors,

00:23:38.700 like X-Acto knife scissors.

00:23:40.200 And basically,

00:23:41.020 it was two millimeters away from my brain.

00:23:43.360 This individual was trying to obviously kill me.

00:23:46.360 And so what the doctors had to do

00:23:47.980 is they had to open up my eye.

00:23:50.480 Um, they had to, you know,

00:23:52.900 basically laser my retina back on

00:23:55.460 because the retina had fallen off

00:23:56.620 and they had to laser the retina back on

00:23:58.780 so I had scar tissue.

00:23:59.800 Then they put stitches across my eyeball.

00:24:01.920 The doctor said, you know,

00:24:02.680 there's a good chance

00:24:03.420 that you're not going to keep your eye.

00:24:05.080 Uh, but you know,

00:24:05.920 I was using, you know,

00:24:07.280 uh, you know,

00:24:08.160 basically using positive thinking

00:24:09.640 and healing and visualizations

00:24:11.100 and different persons that I knew

00:24:12.820 that were healers

00:24:13.640 and areas like that

00:24:14.500 were telling me

00:24:15.040 everything was going to be all right.

00:24:16.280 And I just kept this knowing

00:24:17.400 that it was going to come back.

00:24:19.000 But after there, like, you know,

00:24:21.440 that and, you know,

00:24:22.920 getting into another, uh,

00:24:24.560 another situation

00:24:25.360 of seeing a good friend of mine,

00:24:26.980 one of my best friends

00:24:27.900 that was really looking out for me

00:24:29.080 to see that his involvement

00:24:30.940 in that world had, you know,

00:24:32.940 basically led to him

00:24:34.380 getting his head blown off.

00:24:36.040 And I had to basically go in

00:24:37.420 after that situation.

00:24:38.480 And a lot of these things

00:24:39.620 were really troubling to me.

00:24:41.340 Um, because, you know,

00:24:42.640 having seen that,

00:24:43.620 I went through kind of

00:24:44.180 a spiritual awakening too.

00:24:45.900 Um, and he actually appeared to me

00:24:48.200 in dreams and other areas

00:24:49.480 that kind of led me

00:24:50.100 on the path I'm on today.

00:24:51.560 But the interesting thing is,

00:24:52.920 is that I went through a period

00:24:53.760 of post-traumatic stress.

00:24:54.860 I went through a period of anxiety.

00:24:56.600 And, uh, you know,

00:24:57.980 I tell you that

00:24:58.660 when you have something

00:24:59.680 like that happen,

00:25:00.420 your mind plays

00:25:01.020 all kinds of tricks on you

00:25:02.060 and it goes, well,

00:25:02.560 I can't go to this place.

00:25:03.700 I'll see that guy there.

00:25:04.740 Right.

00:25:05.400 And so at first, you know,

00:25:06.900 I started to, uh,

00:25:08.680 get into these anti-anxiety medications

00:25:10.580 that were being given to me.

00:25:12.700 Uh, you're in your anxiolytic family,

00:25:14.800 your benzodiazepines,

00:25:16.260 you know, you get your,

00:25:17.040 your Xanax's,

00:25:18.200 and your Ativan's,

00:25:19.320 which is, uh,

00:25:20.120 L-prazolam and lorazepam

00:25:21.920 and all those.

00:25:22.600 Those are really addicting too,

00:25:23.900 aren't they?

00:25:24.180 And horrible for your liver.

00:25:26.220 They are as in the hypnotic family.

00:25:28.200 And they really start to disconnect you

00:25:29.780 almost from source.

00:25:30.600 And they start to like numb your feelings

00:25:32.160 and, and get you into a,

00:25:34.080 you sort of a negative vibration

00:25:35.340 on that level.

00:25:36.140 And I'm not saying

00:25:36.940 they don't have a time

00:25:37.640 and a place

00:25:38.080 for any of,

00:25:38.680 any of your listeners

00:25:39.300 that may take those things.

00:25:40.700 You know,

00:25:41.060 if you use it judicious,

00:25:42.300 uh, judiciously,

00:25:43.620 um,

00:25:44.040 or you're just using it sporadically

00:25:45.460 like once in a while,

00:25:46.220 it, it really is,

00:25:47.180 you know,

00:25:47.560 it's probably whatever

00:25:49.020 your highest possible excitement

00:25:51.160 at the time is,

00:25:51.960 to quote Bashar,

00:25:53.160 um, you know,

00:25:54.020 if that's exactly what you need,

00:25:55.740 um,

00:25:56.140 then go for it.

00:25:57.100 But, you know,

00:25:58.060 essentially those things

00:25:59.080 weren't really,

00:25:59.940 you know,

00:26:00.300 working for me as well.

00:26:01.360 So when I had basically

00:26:03.020 looked at,

00:26:04.380 I was like self-medicating myself.

00:26:05.800 And when I started studying

00:26:06.820 these things on a university level

00:26:08.520 and I started understanding

00:26:10.480 pharmacology

00:26:11.300 and, uh,

00:26:12.560 you know,

00:26:12.900 how the brain works,

00:26:14.360 you know,

00:26:14.960 it was really interesting

00:26:15.820 to see how they were working,

00:26:17.140 what their mechanism of action is,

00:26:18.840 what their efficacy was.

00:26:20.300 And when I found Kratom,

00:26:21.900 it was like

00:26:22.540 an answer to prayer for me.

00:26:24.000 It, it basically,

00:26:25.000 it pushed me through

00:26:26.500 a very hard time.

00:26:27.600 It was just like,

00:26:28.340 it healed me.

00:26:29.120 It healed my,

00:26:29.680 my, my body.

00:26:30.660 It allowed me to attune to source.

00:26:32.800 And I most certainly think

00:26:34.120 with any of these substances,

00:26:36.320 um,

00:26:37.340 what we begin to see

00:26:38.460 is that when we take them,

00:26:40.620 we can essentially take the essence

00:26:42.200 of what that feels like

00:26:43.240 or what it's teaching us.

00:26:44.300 And we can actually hold on to that

00:26:46.340 and,

00:26:46.780 and use it without even

00:26:47.780 taking the substance again.

00:26:49.520 Uh,

00:26:49.800 and most certainly we've seen that

00:26:51.020 with like the Tibetan monks

00:26:52.140 and others who have gone out

00:26:53.580 and they've studied herbs

00:26:55.000 and,

00:26:55.540 uh,

00:26:56.360 funguses and everything

00:26:57.220 by eating little tiny pieces of them,

00:26:59.320 meditating on what that feels like.

00:27:00.840 And then they would hold

00:27:01.940 that vibrational level

00:27:02.940 so they could go back

00:27:03.920 and tap into it again later on.

00:27:06.000 Well,

00:27:06.120 it's kind of joining

00:27:06.740 with the plant consciousness.

00:27:08.800 Absolutely.

00:27:09.440 The plant teachers.

00:27:10.360 And I feel Kratom

00:27:11.180 is a real sparkly one

00:27:12.480 and really hugs me.

00:27:15.240 I,

00:27:15.820 I,

00:27:16.080 and I think that's excellent.

00:27:17.180 You know,

00:27:17.580 um,

00:27:18.480 there,

00:27:18.980 there most certainly

00:27:19.920 have been some people

00:27:20.880 that have come out

00:27:22.140 and they've talked about

00:27:23.380 the fact that they use Kratom

00:27:24.820 and I'm really surprised.

00:27:26.600 Uh,

00:27:26.840 you know,

00:27:27.100 I was really surprised

00:27:28.020 and,

00:27:28.340 and,

00:27:28.580 and grateful to Mike Adams site,

00:27:30.520 um,

00:27:31.440 natural news for coming out

00:27:33.020 and in support of Kratom.

00:27:35.380 Uh,

00:27:35.960 and the stranger in Seattle,

00:27:37.760 there's been some really great people

00:27:39.420 and yourself,

00:27:40.140 uh,

00:27:40.720 red ice radio is at,

00:27:41.740 uh,

00:27:42.240 a huge online presence.

00:27:43.440 And so the fact that red ice,

00:27:45.240 uh,

00:27:45.580 the red ice staff uses Kratom,

00:27:47.480 that doesn't surprise me.

00:27:49.040 I tell you,

00:27:49.940 it just,

00:27:50.160 it just feels like there's a veil

00:27:52.100 that's sitting.

00:27:52.960 We're in an interesting time.

00:27:54.160 I,

00:27:54.340 I've never been someone

00:27:55.220 who's struggled with anxiety

00:27:56.640 and this last couple of years,

00:27:58.380 it's just been really fierce.

00:28:01.260 So.

00:28:01.640 Oh,

00:28:01.880 absolutely.

00:28:02.860 Well,

00:28:03.480 we're moving to the galactic plane

00:28:04.880 right now.

00:28:05.440 You know,

00:28:05.780 the,

00:28:06.620 uh,

00:28:07.200 the,

00:28:07.500 the electromagnetic fields

00:28:09.300 or the,

00:28:09.800 uh,

00:28:10.420 magnetic north has been shifting.

00:28:12.240 We have,

00:28:12.740 you know,

00:28:13.560 uh,

00:28:14.060 solar activity.

00:28:15.320 We have,

00:28:16.140 you know,

00:28:16.440 Fukushima most certainly

00:28:17.640 has been spreading around the planet.

00:28:19.220 There's so much happening,

00:28:20.300 even on an energetic level.

00:28:21.820 The pulse of the earth is changing to,

00:28:23.600 to quote,

00:28:24.000 uh,

00:28:24.300 Greg Braden.

00:28:25.280 So there's no doubt that although our,

00:28:28.080 our,

00:28:28.360 our vibrational frequencies and whatnot

00:28:30.160 are,

00:28:30.460 are speeding up that this is a time of shifting.

00:28:33.400 It's almost unsettling,

00:28:34.500 you know?

00:28:34.840 Mm-hmm.

00:28:35.340 You have to hang on.

00:28:37.720 Yeah.

00:28:38.320 Well,

00:28:38.560 like with most things,

00:28:39.500 you,

00:28:39.700 you build a tolerance.

00:28:40.620 Is there a way to reset the body

00:28:41.900 if you build a tolerance to crack them?

00:28:44.440 Um,

00:28:44.800 absolutely.

00:28:45.460 You know,

00:28:45.820 that's the one thing I want to get out in a message

00:28:48.320 is that,

00:28:49.200 you know,

00:28:49.560 I get,

00:28:49.880 I get messages from people saying,

00:28:51.420 you know,

00:28:51.920 oh,

00:28:52.180 you're a liar.

00:28:53.140 They say Kratom is addictive.

00:28:54.860 They say,

00:28:55.420 uh,

00:28:55.720 you know,

00:28:56.060 it's,

00:28:56.440 it's the,

00:28:56.840 one of the most addictive things in the world.

00:28:58.600 Well,

00:28:59.020 the truth is,

00:28:59.680 is that if you look at the history behind opium

00:29:04.000 or heroin or oxycontin or any of these things,

00:29:08.380 uh,

00:29:08.760 I'm sorry.

00:29:09.360 I,

00:29:09.480 I've seen people in the addiction,

00:29:10.840 addiction field,

00:29:11.800 and it's not as easy as Kratom to come off of those things.

00:29:15.080 And with Kratom,

00:29:16.200 it really is once you educate yourself on what to do with it,

00:29:19.640 it's,

00:29:20.120 it's extremely easy to,

00:29:21.780 to manage it.

00:29:23.040 Um,

00:29:23.400 most certainly I would say,

00:29:24.720 first of all,

00:29:25.300 to kind of,

00:29:25.960 uh,

00:29:26.560 get away from building up tolerance.

00:29:27.920 I would say switching varieties all the time is very good.

00:29:31.300 Uh,

00:29:31.780 you know,

00:29:32.360 uh,

00:29:32.660 you get something called SSS or same strain syndrome.

00:29:35.480 If you take too much of it,

00:29:37.100 uh,

00:29:37.660 too often,

00:29:38.200 let's say you're taking one particular variety,

00:29:40.580 you know,

00:29:40.860 a person will find that after a while,

00:29:42.080 they're going to keep continuing to,

00:29:44.100 uh,

00:29:45.000 increase the amount because something that happens,

00:29:47.420 uh,

00:29:47.700 called down regulation when Kratom goes to elicit a response from the

00:29:51.820 receptors involved.

00:29:52.840 And what we're looking for these receptors as we're actually looking at the

00:29:55.940 mu opioid and Delta receptors in the brain of where Kratom is working on

00:30:00.220 to give you your euphoria,

00:30:01.340 to give you your relaxation and all these areas.

00:30:04.120 And while some of these kind of mimic how opioids work,

00:30:08.120 they aren't opioids at all.

00:30:10.080 Um,

00:30:10.560 and basically what we start to see is that if you switch up your alkaloids,

00:30:15.540 like let's say you're taking,

00:30:16.780 uh,

00:30:17.400 let's say you're taking a Bali variety or a Borneo variety or Sumatra variety or

00:30:21.860 green Malaysian in the morning,

00:30:23.440 switching up in the evening.

00:30:24.640 Or as we mentioned earlier,

00:30:26.220 another thing people can do is he can use,

00:30:28.600 uh,

00:30:30.020 nine hydroxy cornothide,

00:30:31.740 uh,

00:30:31.980 cornothide itself,

00:30:32.740 which is found in the stem and vein powder,

00:30:34.600 which if you mix in a little tiny bit of that once in a while,

00:30:38.040 that kind of sets the reset switch.

00:30:40.560 Uh,

00:30:40.760 furthermore,

00:30:41.860 what I always tell people is that you can look at various things to be,

00:30:45.320 uh,

00:30:46.000 you know,

00:30:46.320 boosters to your Kratom.

00:30:47.560 Most certainly,

00:30:48.260 uh,

00:30:49.180 what we've seen is that turmeric when a person takes turmeric,

00:30:52.900 now watch out if you accidentally take turmeric on the same day you take

00:30:56.080 Kratom,

00:30:56.420 because that was actually a problem for me as well.

00:30:59.400 Uh,

00:30:59.920 depending on if you take a turmeric or you're taking,

00:31:02.760 coffee,

00:31:03.360 you actually can get like a synergy binding effect.

00:31:05.540 They'll actually increase the Kratom,

00:31:08.140 allow you to take less actually.

00:31:10.100 Um,

00:31:10.580 but most certainly I think we've seen,

00:31:13.400 uh,

00:31:13.980 some aspects that need to look at on,

00:31:16.500 if a person wants to stop using Kratom effortlessly,

00:31:19.240 and they don't want to have like any sort of discomfort,

00:31:21.920 um,

00:31:22.740 a person,

00:31:23.560 you know,

00:31:23.960 weaning themselves off a Kratom or any herb or anything that they're using

00:31:27.300 as,

00:31:27.800 uh,

00:31:28.140 anti-anxiety.

00:31:28.460 Even coffee for crying out loud,

00:31:29.520 Tina.

00:31:30.440 Oh,

00:31:30.920 yeah,

00:31:31.520 exactly.

00:31:32.020 Like,

00:31:32.220 just like coffee.

00:31:33.440 Basically,

00:31:34.340 you know,

00:31:34.640 there's some things that you can do to make it easier.

00:31:36.320 Like,

00:31:36.600 you sublimate it.

00:31:37.300 What do we do when we quit coffee?

00:31:38.780 If you want to start drinking coffee,

00:31:40.260 oh my goodness,

00:31:41.080 that's,

00:31:41.520 I think,

00:31:42.140 that's way worse.

00:31:43.440 Oh,

00:31:43.520 yeah.

00:31:43.820 Um,

00:31:44.540 sublimating is key.

00:31:46.080 So if you made it with another tea,

00:31:48.180 like you start using a,

00:31:50.020 uh,

00:31:50.300 holy basil,

00:31:51.040 which is Tulsi,

00:31:51.980 which is very relaxing.

00:31:53.280 It gets cortisol,

00:31:54.140 the stress hormone.

00:31:55.120 You use chamomile,

00:31:56.860 uh,

00:31:57.340 you know,

00:31:57.780 anything like that,

00:31:58.680 valerian roots on the nights,

00:32:00.380 like about two to three days when you're feeling kind of restless because you're

00:32:03.180 used to that relaxation,

00:32:04.620 that sedation.

00:32:05.640 Just use like a melatonin to get to sleep.

00:32:07.540 And most certainly,

00:32:08.440 um,

00:32:08.880 that can make a sort of an effortless transition to,

00:32:11.800 to helping you stop or take breaks.

00:32:13.320 Taking breaks is also key not to build up a tolerance.

00:32:17.140 What's the current legal status?

00:32:18.680 Anything we should know about right now?

00:32:21.300 Well,

00:32:21.800 absolutely.

00:32:22.500 There have been,

00:32:24.100 there have been some on the United States,

00:32:26.960 which you can keep up to date with over at the Kratom associate org.

00:32:31.400 And by the way,

00:32:32.080 I'd like to remind everyone that the dot org site is the real Kratom site because,

00:32:37.540 uh,

00:32:38.100 really quickly,

00:32:39.080 I want to get into this before we talk about the legal status.

00:32:42.580 Dot org site that we're up.

00:32:44.340 We didn't really have in sight that somebody would be ticked off about our

00:32:48.460 watchdog list of,

00:32:49.540 of irresponsible vendors.

00:32:50.780 And someone basically started up a site,

00:32:53.180 um,

00:32:53.940 Kratom association.com.

00:32:55.980 And that's one of the reasons that now when I register a domain,

00:32:59.260 I register like 20 possibilities.

00:33:01.140 So,

00:33:02.380 um,

00:33:03.520 yeah,

00:33:03.780 so basically the,

00:33:04.620 somebody registered to the.com and they kind of made their own site.

00:33:07.660 It looks like it's,

00:33:08.660 you know,

00:33:09.380 uh,

00:33:09.740 a copy of the old version that they could start using for their own propaganda.

00:33:12.940 However,

00:33:13.420 getting to the legal status,

00:33:15.000 most certainly we've seen,

00:33:16.280 uh,

00:33:17.100 some areas over in Iowa.

00:33:19.180 We've seen some areas and,

00:33:20.780 and Louisiana and other States.

00:33:22.500 And by the time this airs,

00:33:24.040 or for those of you looking in the archives,

00:33:26.460 uh,

00:33:26.840 I don't want to call out any legal statuses yet in case,

00:33:30.340 you know,

00:33:30.560 you look at this at a later time,

00:33:31.760 but most certainly you can get the most up-to-date information.

00:33:34.280 Uh,

00:33:34.680 we can look around the world in Sweden where we've had a couple of alkaloids

00:33:37.900 banned.

00:33:38.640 Australia jumped on the bandwagon for no good apparent reason.

00:33:41.720 It's still legal in most places.

00:33:43.760 Uh,

00:33:44.080 in Germany,

00:33:44.560 it's kind of,

00:33:45.280 uh,

00:33:45.580 uncertain.

00:33:46.380 And again,

00:33:47.060 there's been a lot of pressure being put on this.

00:33:49.380 Uh,

00:33:49.840 the DEA had it technically on their watchdog list.

00:33:52.500 And most certainly what we've seen is that,

00:33:56.180 uh,

00:33:56.920 Canada,

00:33:57.600 it's good to go.

00:33:58.420 But I really think the more people put public pressure on,

00:34:02.560 uh,

00:34:03.180 their civil servants,

00:34:04.080 such as we've seen in the United States,

00:34:07.600 uh,

00:34:08.300 which is,

00:34:08.920 was the case with Senator A.G.

00:34:10.400 Crow.

00:34:10.960 Uh,

00:34:11.520 what we start to see is that through these petitions,

00:34:15.240 through the emails,

00:34:16.440 through the phone calls,

00:34:18.120 uh,

00:34:18.460 people have been able to,

00:34:19.580 to voice their opinions and kind of curve these sort of,

00:34:22.480 uh,

00:34:23.580 uh,

00:34:23.900 sort of these moves.

00:34:24.900 So that's,

00:34:25.820 that's basically where we're at with legalities.

00:34:27.860 I'm really grateful for what you guys do and everyone who's helping and

00:34:31.060 supporting and signing petitions.

00:34:32.500 So we need to keep it up.

00:34:34.940 I agree.

00:34:36.160 And I,

00:34:36.520 I really appreciate the fact that you're shedding light on this today.

00:34:39.420 And,

00:34:39.960 uh,

00:34:40.440 because this is the thing is that I wouldn't be doing this out of my,

00:34:44.640 out of my schedule.

00:34:45.340 Cause I have,

00:34:46.520 I'm not trying to sort of make my schedule sound important or anything,

00:34:49.660 but I have a pretty busy schedule.

00:34:51.400 And sometimes to,

00:34:52.460 to,

00:34:53.200 to answer emails or to make these kinds of videos,

00:34:55.260 it can kind of,

00:34:56.440 you know,

00:34:56.640 take a good chunk of time and I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't feel it was

00:35:00.040 important.

00:35:00.460 And every time I hear from one of you guys or,

00:35:03.040 you know,

00:35:03.300 somebody who writes me to say that this is very important to them,

00:35:06.680 it's,

00:35:07.000 it's helped them get their life back and,

00:35:09.000 and retain a level of happiness.

00:35:10.380 That's what makes it all count.

00:35:11.820 That's right.

00:35:13.180 Well,

00:35:13.580 to transition a little bit,

00:35:14.800 uh,

00:35:15.120 you cover so many topics on your website and also in your TV show.

00:35:18.700 And so one of the topics you cover is DNA changes.

00:35:21.620 This is something personally that you feel is going on right now.

00:35:24.100 And how do you think we're being changed?

00:35:26.820 Okay.

00:35:27.260 Well,

00:35:27.420 absolutely.

00:35:28.420 You know,

00:35:28.940 um,

00:35:30.140 to basically look at David Wilcox,

00:35:32.140 the new work,

00:35:32.580 the source field investigation,

00:35:33.700 we start to see a lot of that being mentioned,

00:35:35.840 uh,

00:35:36.700 without getting into too much detail.

00:35:38.660 I really believe that,

00:35:40.320 yeah,

00:35:40.440 our DNA is being upgraded.

00:35:42.180 If we look at DNA,

00:35:44.020 we can actually look that there's like a,

00:35:45.540 a third strand of DNA forming and DNA usually has about 64 codens.

00:35:49.680 And we're starting to see,

00:35:50.680 uh,

00:35:51.640 new ones show up.

00:35:53.140 And most certainly with children that are being born now.

00:35:55.840 And it's very interesting.

00:35:57.280 If we,

00:35:57.900 if we look at some of,

00:35:58.900 uh,

00:35:59.100 Wilcox theories,

00:36:00.020 uh,

00:36:00.800 and some of the,

00:36:01.460 the groundbreaking scientific research and empirical data that he starts to

00:36:04.920 bring in,

00:36:05.780 it's a very exciting time to be alive.

00:36:07.980 So yeah,

00:36:08.580 I think it's just going to keep increasing and growing.

00:36:11.040 And,

00:36:11.900 you know,

00:36:12.600 we're just going to keep,

00:36:13.700 um,

00:36:14.380 expanding our consciousness exponentially.

00:36:17.200 And to bring it back to Kratom,

00:36:18.900 I also feel that as you evolve more,

00:36:21.260 obviously your frequency is changing.

00:36:22.840 And so certain plants are going to resonate better with you and other foods

00:36:26.380 won't work so well anymore.

00:36:28.160 And specifically pills,

00:36:29.440 I've been really finding that I've really been changing my diet,

00:36:32.080 you know,

00:36:32.280 constantly just changing little tweaking little things,

00:36:35.260 certain foods just don't feel right anymore and other ones feel better.

00:36:38.480 So it's kind of interesting.

00:36:39.380 I would,

00:36:40.560 I would agree with you there.

00:36:41.720 I basically,

00:36:43.100 I was an off and on vegetarian for some time.

00:36:47.720 And basically what started to happen to me is that even the little bit of

00:36:52.280 chicken that I was eating,

00:36:53.220 because a friend of mine owns a Nando's and,

00:36:55.220 uh,

00:36:55.580 I've always been a really big fan of Nando's because it's really healthy and

00:36:58.500 I'm really into healthy high vibrational foods.

00:37:00.800 You know,

00:37:01.440 I'm not really,

00:37:02.140 I've never been a red meats person.

00:37:04.160 Uh,

00:37:04.680 but this is the thing is that I started realizing and feeling my body just

00:37:09.260 wouldn't take it.

00:37:10.080 And it wouldn't take any of these other things except vegetarian food.

00:37:14.100 And not,

00:37:14.380 not all vegetarian food is good for us,

00:37:16.320 but you know,

00:37:17.140 soy,

00:37:17.580 lots of corn and bread.

00:37:19.700 Yeah.

00:37:20.200 The genetically modified corn is always good too.

00:37:22.540 Uh,

00:37:22.780 the,

00:37:23.040 uh,

00:37:23.240 and genetically modified soy,

00:37:24.700 if we want estrogen,

00:37:25.360 but this is the thing is that I think once we look at food combining,

00:37:28.860 once we start looking at food and what we're putting in our body,

00:37:31.960 most certainly we can see our frequency is changing.

00:37:34.860 And I think most certainly,

00:37:36.100 even when we look at the concepts of timelines right now and parallel universes

00:37:39.480 around us is that if we look at the possibility that there are two main

00:37:44.800 timelines,

00:37:45.460 which has been hypothesized,

00:37:47.000 uh,

00:37:47.540 by those in ufology community,

00:37:49.180 even,

00:37:49.600 you know,

00:37:49.900 physicists such as Michio Kaku have talked about timelines and whatnot that will

00:37:54.360 seem,

00:37:54.660 we seem to be leaning towards one that is more harmonic with our,

00:37:58.840 uh,

00:37:59.540 our resonance or our vibrational frequency.

00:38:01.940 And so the more that we,

00:38:03.020 you know,

00:38:03.280 upgrade our,

00:38:03.860 our vibrational level,

00:38:05.020 the more we put things in us that are more harmonic of that level,

00:38:08.180 uh,

00:38:08.200 cracked home included or,

00:38:09.280 or looking at the frequency that these plant teachers place us into,

00:38:12.720 uh,

00:38:13.220 I think it's fantastic.

00:38:15.220 Your TV show also covers interdimensional realities.

00:38:17.940 Do you think there's a bleed through of other dimensions into this one at this

00:38:21.100 time?

00:38:22.440 That's,

00:38:22.960 that's a loaded question.

00:38:23.820 And I actually have some ideas in that one.

00:38:25.940 Um,

00:38:26.460 you know,

00:38:26.780 really,

00:38:27.780 I think the,

00:38:28.980 the really interesting concept is,

00:38:30.620 is that,

00:38:31.040 oh boy,

00:38:32.660 quantum physics is really just beginning to explain how it's possible for other

00:38:36.700 dimensions to exist inside of our own.

00:38:38.460 Yeah,

00:38:38.560 you got that right there.

00:38:39.380 They're way behind.

00:38:41.580 Absolutely.

00:38:42.020 are you familiar with Michael Talbot's book?

00:38:44.140 He wrote a book called the holographic universe.

00:38:46.260 Yep.

00:38:47.100 Yeah.

00:38:47.580 We,

00:38:47.780 we basically start to look at,

00:38:49.380 um,

00:38:50.200 you know,

00:38:50.460 concepts of the physical universe working like a hologram using subatomic

00:38:54.440 particles for the listeners listening to give an illusion of reality and

00:38:58.760 basically everything,

00:38:59.760 uh,

00:39:00.700 emanating from source outside of this one.

00:39:02.780 Um,

00:39:03.420 but I really think that the concept of reality construction is such a fascinating

00:39:07.340 one.

00:39:07.720 And when we start to look at the ideas like,

00:39:09.720 uh,

00:39:10.140 even,

00:39:10.560 um,

00:39:10.860 the existential ideas or the ideas that Heidegger had on Dasein being a whatnot.

00:39:15.780 And we start to look at our,

00:39:16.780 our state of being in time and space defined and constructed by the senses.

00:39:20.480 And this is what I want to basically paint the picture for the listeners is what more is this

00:39:26.500 physical world than a series of neurological and physiological discharges.

00:39:30.440 And they're literally being downloaded,

00:39:32.080 uh,

00:39:33.000 from a perceived frequencies.

00:39:34.400 And really is any of this real or do our eyes make it all real?

00:39:38.400 That's right.

00:39:38.760 Um,

00:39:39.380 literally everything we see in our world is vibrating at various frequencies.

00:39:42.820 And these images are interpreted by our brain through our eyes as stimulus.

00:39:46.440 And it in turn travels along our optic nerve as electrical impulses.

00:39:50.480 Uh,

00:39:51.200 and finds its way to our occipital lobe.

00:39:53.900 And the lobe is composed of two visual cortexes and connects to the frontal lobe.

00:39:58.580 Uh,

00:39:58.880 and that processes the signal into information.

00:40:01.100 So I really think we start to look at dimensions and physics and all these ideas to go back into

00:40:07.160 your question.

00:40:08.280 Um,

00:40:08.540 the brain doesn't download objects as strings or subatomic particles.

00:40:12.220 It processes the,

00:40:13.140 uh,

00:40:13.460 the items in our frequency range to form a picture.

00:40:16.440 Kind of like our television,

00:40:17.920 kind of our television receptor,

00:40:19.300 uh,

00:40:20.260 kind of gets.

00:40:20.960 But the exciting thing for me about dimensions,

00:40:23.460 um,

00:40:24.540 I'd really like to get in,

00:40:25.660 uh,

00:40:26.340 really quickly and to a couple,

00:40:28.100 uh,

00:40:28.680 a couple of the physicists that I really like.

00:40:30.860 If,

00:40:31.100 uh,

00:40:31.180 if we have enough time.

00:40:32.100 Of course we do.

00:40:32.640 Yes,

00:40:32.920 we do.

00:40:34.020 Okay.

00:40:34.620 I mean,

00:40:35.180 really,

00:40:36.140 uh,

00:40:36.580 without getting into the electromagnetic spectrum,

00:40:38.640 uh,

00:40:39.340 that is recognized to by our brain,

00:40:41.140 which is like 390 to 750 nms.

00:40:43.680 Um,

00:40:44.280 these vibratory string frequencies,

00:40:46.280 they're really often felt and described by like astral projectors,

00:40:49.720 life between life regression clients that we start to see in Newton's work,

00:40:53.600 uh,

00:40:54.140 NDE survivors,

00:40:55.140 like your Betty Edie's,

00:40:56.540 your,

00:40:56.720 uh,

00:40:57.140 Danion,

00:40:57.600 Danion Brinkley's,

00:40:58.940 uh,

00:40:59.260 and all that sort of good stuff.

00:41:01.060 Basically,

00:41:01.500 they start to feel these vibrational levels when traveling between spiritual realms.

00:41:06.080 And I think that people start to really describe,

00:41:08.780 uh,

00:41:09.680 like even in Robert Bruce's work,

00:41:11.260 astral dynamics,

00:41:12.360 their vibratory levels speeding up or slowing down as they're traveling through different dimensions.

00:41:17.020 So one of the fascinating things for me is I've recently been following,

00:41:22.380 well,

00:41:23.060 over the last few years,

00:41:24.180 I've really followed a lot of,

00:41:26.000 um,

00:41:26.880 professor Stuart Hammeroff's work,

00:41:28.620 uh,

00:41:30.000 over at the university of Arizona and Tucson.

00:41:32.500 For those of you who want to look them up,

00:41:34.740 he has some incredible work on consciousness anesthesiology and really he's teamed up with

00:41:42.900 Sir Roger Penrose and they have a theory of discovering consciousness through this

00:41:46.920 anesthesiology work.

00:41:48.820 Um,

00:41:49.280 and what we really begin to see is that the best way I can describe this is they say that

00:41:55.980 our brain basically works through like a micro girder system,

00:41:59.060 kind of like with,

00:42:00.160 uh,

00:42:00.580 microtubules.

00:42:01.460 And in the quantum world particles can be at two places at once.

00:42:06.020 And essentially this is called super positioning,

00:42:08.940 um,

00:42:10.020 or our quantum cohesion.

00:42:11.840 Uh,

00:42:12.280 when we start to see that there's a,

00:42:14.060 uh,

00:42:14.360 basically our atoms are being placed together in one place or they're kind of like,

00:42:18.060 uh,

00:42:18.360 floating together.

00:42:19.180 So I think that really when we start to look at,

00:42:21.860 um,

00:42:22.740 our consciousness as a point of non-local awareness,

00:42:25.080 and that's the part of us that's immortal life is in fact eternal.

00:42:28.600 And all we've ever known,

00:42:30.500 um,

00:42:31.280 all we've ever known is,

00:42:32.900 uh,

00:42:33.460 life.

00:42:33.960 We have not knowing anything else.

00:42:35.180 So every substance in our universe is composed of my new particles called atoms.

00:42:38.900 So if we look at a solid object in front of you right now and tap it,

00:42:42.640 you might think that the item is saw is,

00:42:45.380 is solid,

00:42:46.000 right?

00:42:46.200 Uh,

00:42:46.880 but we will,

00:42:47.680 when we look closely at the atom,

00:42:49.340 we see there are electrons whizzing around the nuclei.

00:42:52.400 If we smash those,

00:42:53.380 we find protons and neutrons.

00:42:54.860 And if we smash those,

00:42:56.500 we find quarks.

00:42:57.520 And if we smash those,

00:42:58.740 we find vibrating loops.

00:43:00.080 And if we bash those around,

00:43:02.180 we'd see electrons.

00:43:03.480 And if you gave them one more good bashing,

00:43:05.760 what you would find is that they turn into light,

00:43:07.560 which is an elemental super form,

00:43:09.640 uh,

00:43:09.860 which is the building block of all,

00:43:12.120 uh,

00:43:12.600 building blocks of all physical matter in our universe.

00:43:15.540 And,

00:43:15.960 and I'm basically preaching to the choir here,

00:43:18.080 the converting,

00:43:18.760 you know,

00:43:19.200 all this,

00:43:19.680 right?

00:43:19.960 So you think we're trapped,

00:43:21.080 are we trapped in the matrix or is all that just an illusion?

00:43:23.840 Well,

00:43:24.140 that's,

00:43:24.720 um,

00:43:25.140 what's his name?

00:43:25.740 Nick Bostwick's,

00:43:26.620 uh,

00:43:26.860 theories over at Cambridge university.

00:43:28.460 He actually has a matrix on a philosophy,

00:43:30.340 but essentially,

00:43:31.720 um,

00:43:32.480 these theories are all based off of Albert Einstein's general theory of

00:43:35.400 relativity.

00:43:36.100 Einstein said like matter,

00:43:37.460 space and time are all in particular arrangements that work in the

00:43:40.800 tiniest of scales.

00:43:41.640 So it's at this level of consciousness,

00:43:44.200 uh,

00:43:44.640 that really we start to see this existent can existence like connected by

00:43:49.360 microtubulos in our brain cells.

00:43:51.320 And really if we start to look at near death experiences using,

00:43:54.840 um,

00:43:55.360 Penrose's ideas and Hammeroff's idea,

00:43:57.720 uh,

00:43:58.260 basically this,

00:43:59.340 this sort of these microtubulos or this girder system really form a

00:44:02.980 cockpit in our brain where consciousness can sit and it can actually

00:44:06.260 leak out.

00:44:07.140 And,

00:44:07.620 and through this,

00:44:08.540 it can actually stay together through this quantum cohesion or this

00:44:11.640 super positioning and then come back in after.

00:44:14.860 Uh,

00:44:14.920 and for me,

00:44:15.560 that's really exciting that we're starting to understand that,

00:44:18.900 um,

00:44:19.400 on how that sort of works.

00:44:20.820 But where this kind of excites me and where we're getting,

00:44:22.920 uh,

00:44:23.760 at is that through nano gravitational measuring tools,

00:44:26.660 we've sort of discovered that really,

00:44:30.240 uh,

00:44:30.940 we have dimensions on top of dimensions or densities.

00:44:34.180 We could bring it in,

00:44:35.040 uh,

00:44:35.620 that are kind of sitting together.

00:44:36.780 And to take it furthermore,

00:44:38.340 uh,

00:44:39.120 to the next level,

00:44:39.960 we start to see through the,

00:44:41.480 uh,

00:44:42.320 uh,

00:44:42.620 Pythagoreans,

00:44:43.560 we have the laws of harmonics that come in on the chromatic scale of

00:44:46.600 music,

00:44:46.900 which kind of correlates with the,

00:44:49.140 the vibrational levels of the,

00:44:50.820 the vibratory levels of these strings.

00:44:52.520 And it's kind of just all flowing together.

00:44:54.680 And we have such a great understanding of a dimensional map nowadays.

00:44:58.360 Did,

00:44:58.840 did any,

00:44:59.500 did any of that make sense?

00:45:00.520 Yes.

00:45:00.620 No,

00:45:00.880 it's beautifully said.

00:45:02.060 And we also probably exist in all of those dimensions as well.

00:45:05.400 So it's a matter of trying to integrate ourselves and harnessing that

00:45:09.600 ability.

00:45:09.800 I agree with you completely.

00:45:11.740 We are most certainly multidimensional spiritual beings.

00:45:16.240 So talk about the book you're working on.

00:45:19.360 Okay.

00:45:19.940 Well,

00:45:20.960 I would say with the book I'm working on,

00:45:23.040 what we begin to see,

00:45:24.320 uh,

00:45:25.100 is that not only did I get into a bit of an autobiographical level,

00:45:29.140 um,

00:45:30.460 but for me,

00:45:32.320 it was kind of like one of those things over the years,

00:45:34.740 I have really been romancing metaphysics.

00:45:38.180 You know,

00:45:38.460 I've really been so fascinated with these subjects that for the longest time I was

00:45:43.300 teaching them.

00:45:43.860 I've,

00:45:44.020 I've read so many volumes of books just as a,

00:45:46.700 especially as a teenager and onto my adulthood,

00:45:49.360 I was really like a recluse because I was basically,

00:45:52.440 uh,

00:45:53.580 in a position where,

00:45:54.900 you know,

00:45:55.240 I,

00:45:55.460 I was the kid,

00:45:56.220 the fat kid that got picked on a lot.

00:45:57.980 I got teased a lot.

00:45:58.960 So when I was,

00:46:01.240 when I was growing up,

00:46:02.160 that's all I did.

00:46:03.780 And,

00:46:04.260 uh,

00:46:04.780 I basically absorbed every single,

00:46:06.680 every kind of a metaphysical teaching from esoteric orders to,

00:46:10.740 you know,

00:46:11.120 from your Alistair Crowley to your Dr.

00:46:13.240 Israel Regardé to even looking at the word of Bella,

00:46:15.620 looking at the work of Bella Klosky,

00:46:17.460 uh,

00:46:18.040 or Joseph Lewinsky,

00:46:19.740 uh,

00:46:20.180 or,

00:46:20.700 you know,

00:46:21.040 looking at our,

00:46:21.720 sorry,

00:46:21.880 not Joseph Lewinsky.

00:46:22.900 He does like evocation stuff.

00:46:24.520 Uh,

00:46:24.580 Joseph Campbell's work.

00:46:25.640 Sorry.

00:46:26.040 Uh,

00:46:26.600 looking at these ideas,

00:46:27.820 I started to see over time,

00:46:29.460 uh,

00:46:30.080 in particular with Zachariah Sitchin and Graham Hancock and those kinds of

00:46:33.460 individuals that there was this incredible correlation into the mythos and

00:46:39.500 into basically what we have been,

00:46:42.060 we've been told is our metaphysics.

00:46:44.520 Really,

00:46:45.100 as I started to see,

00:46:46.260 like there was basically this pattern I started to see that was starting to

00:46:49.880 unlock areas for me.

00:46:51.220 And I started to see even in the Bible when we see mentions of Enoch or we see,

00:46:55.020 uh,

00:46:55.440 in Ezekiel,

00:46:56.180 the cylinders between cylinders.

00:46:57.780 And I start to see the aspect of there being a new sort of story of

00:47:02.420 humankind and the universe,

00:47:04.100 uh,

00:47:04.620 which we should get into in a second,

00:47:06.020 the multiverse.

00:47:06.960 I started to see that what we start to have is we have instructions for a

00:47:12.160 consciousness technology.

00:47:13.580 And I'm not necessarily talking about religion,

00:47:16.260 because as Oshu says,

00:47:18.480 religion,

00:47:18.880 uh,

00:47:19.820 is really just the,

00:47:21.180 uh,

00:47:21.380 toy for children or the,

00:47:22.960 all the isms are kind of like control mechanisms too.

00:47:25.080 But we start to see that inside of these prayers that really we have,

00:47:31.280 uh,

00:47:31.660 not only a beautiful historicity,

00:47:33.260 but we have a technology that can be measured.

00:47:35.880 Um,

00:47:36.280 and I can get,

00:47:37.060 I can give you like a study that we can reference,

00:47:39.520 uh,

00:47:40.080 by,

00:47:40.480 uh,

00:47:40.660 Dr.

00:47:41.040 Bogus law,

00:47:41.760 uh,

00:47:42.340 about actually a prayer that's been measured.

00:47:44.680 But we start to see also,

00:47:46.320 like,

00:47:46.640 if you look at Dr.

00:47:47.680 Israel regarding,

00:47:48.420 um,

00:47:49.440 who basically gave us the golden dawn book and what he started giving us as a

00:47:54.700 young Ian psychotherapist,

00:47:56.140 he gave me something that really made me think when I first read the golden

00:47:59.720 dawn book,

00:48:00.360 uh,

00:48:01.040 on Llewellyn publishing such a long time ago,

00:48:03.220 and even Chick Cicero and Tabitha Cicero's work.

00:48:06.760 Um,

00:48:07.420 Dr.

00:48:08.040 Rigarde said that when we see these ceremonial magic rituals,

00:48:12.040 kind of like you see that perhaps the masons would do,

00:48:14.600 or the golden dawn would do,

00:48:16.040 or,

00:48:16.720 you know,

00:48:17.040 any of these esoteric orders,

00:48:18.760 really what they are,

00:48:20.240 they're a form of psychotherapy.

00:48:22.000 They're a form of role playing that a person can kind of shed,

00:48:25.860 um,

00:48:27.220 shed sort of their,

00:48:28.380 their self and,

00:48:29.460 you know,

00:48:29.680 come into a God-like realization.

00:48:32.520 That they're more than human.

00:48:34.600 Uh,

00:48:35.140 and,

00:48:35.500 and furthermore,

00:48:36.360 what really started to fascinate me is I started to see like this pattern of

00:48:40.760 forming a circle,

00:48:41.600 like not only when a person does magic,

00:48:44.300 like,

00:48:44.920 uh,

00:48:45.460 being in an esoteric order,

00:48:47.020 they'll call it like the watchtower ritual,

00:48:48.620 um,

00:48:49.960 or,

00:48:50.240 or sorry,

00:48:50.840 in Wicca,

00:48:51.320 they'll do like a watchtower,

00:48:52.880 which is an adaptation of something from a ceremonial magic level.

00:48:56.320 Uh,

00:48:56.800 because for those who are occultists,

00:48:58.540 they would argue that today's modern witchcraft or Wicca,

00:49:02.520 is sort of,

00:49:03.400 you know,

00:49:03.560 a watered down version of what may have existed on the British Isles.

00:49:07.260 Um,

00:49:07.860 but interestingly enough,

00:49:09.040 it would appear though,

00:49:09.940 uh,

00:49:10.380 through astrophysics and again,

00:49:12.560 in alignment with metaphysics,

00:49:13.800 um,

00:49:14.680 as they say,

00:49:15.300 if space is bent enough out of proportion,

00:49:17.520 time stops.

00:49:18.600 So making a lot of these,

00:49:20.440 these things we've heard like out of body experiences,

00:49:22.560 near death experiences,

00:49:23.720 even DMT trips,

00:49:25.040 uh,

00:49:25.740 we start to see like,

00:49:27.080 there's like a wormhole like structure that shows up.

00:49:29.460 So physicists now literally believe,

00:49:31.980 as you know,

00:49:32.700 that space time can be warped or twisted.

00:49:34.900 Uh,

00:49:35.440 and as we can travel through a wormhole,

00:49:38.100 let's say the hyperspace.

00:49:39.260 So what fascinated me is I started to see through this consciousness technology

00:49:43.040 that here we have people like drawing circles around themselves and utilizing various,

00:49:48.920 uh,

00:49:49.800 various means of electromagnetic frequencies and energy shifts and colors and sound and vibrations

00:49:55.340 and forms of astral theology and astrological significance,

00:49:59.260 um,

00:50:00.200 that there was something amazing here.

00:50:01.760 And,

00:50:02.200 and furthermore,

00:50:03.380 what I think is absolutely mind blowing and,

00:50:06.120 and awesome is that if we start to look back into the ancients and even sacred geometry,

00:50:12.940 we start to see the aspects that even in Plato's Timaeus,

00:50:16.340 or if you go back into Socrates or any of these areas,

00:50:19.120 how did the ancients know that the universe was in the shape of a dodecahedron?

00:50:23.220 Um,

00:50:23.660 or even now we're getting confirmed through computer software that Venus,

00:50:28.200 and you can look on our webpage today.

00:50:29.980 We actually have a video on this,

00:50:31.520 um,

00:50:32.080 because we have a lot of,

00:50:32.940 uh,

00:50:33.620 video content,

00:50:34.640 uh,

00:50:35.000 which we can get over into the show after,

00:50:37.220 uh,

00:50:38.040 on actually had Venus is shaping into,

00:50:40.480 uh,

00:50:41.360 a heart right now.

00:50:42.120 We're making pentagram configurations,

00:50:43.800 which the ancients knew.

00:50:45.480 But lastly,

00:50:46.660 I want to say on this is that if you look at what we were learning,

00:50:49.960 uh,

00:50:50.380 from the dodecahedron of the universe's shape,

00:50:52.940 or even if we look at Hermes trimisticus,

00:50:55.400 we're starting to see this now through the Wilkinson's microwave ancyotropy probe,

00:50:59.360 or the WMAP scan of the universe,

00:51:01.320 we start to see that there are these circuitous patterns on the background of the universe

00:51:06.100 that are indicative of multiple big bangs,

00:51:09.860 which in turn have showed us that we live in a multiverse,

00:51:12.700 which again,

00:51:13.760 I would like to say that not only do we start to see ideas of cosmological significance in this,

00:51:19.480 which I think cosmologists have looked at with M theory,

00:51:22.540 string theory,

00:51:23.580 that we start to see that the ancients kind of knew this.

00:51:25.900 They knew we were in a multiverse.

00:51:27.060 They knew how creation was happening.

00:51:28.620 So,

00:51:28.940 it blows my mind.

00:51:30.260 Here's a technology.

00:51:31.640 So,

00:51:31.860 if,

00:51:32.160 if there is a life between lives,

00:51:34.140 then where do we go?

00:51:35.060 Well,

00:51:36.060 that's a good question.

00:51:39.280 You know,

00:51:40.100 my friend Alfred Lambermont Weber,

00:51:43.100 who is a,

00:51:43.860 who I've talked to a few times here,

00:51:46.020 and we're going to be getting together with him coming up in a couple weeks.

00:51:50.820 He's running a book right now called The Dimensional Ecology,

00:51:54.660 or it's a mapping of the dimensional ecology.

00:51:57.420 And he has hypothesized that there is a society of souls,

00:52:03.280 or an area that we'd basically be looking at.

00:52:06.120 And it's actually interesting that you should bring that up.

00:52:08.240 That's an area that I have wrapped my brain up with for so long.

00:52:11.760 Over the years,

00:52:13.320 you should see my place.

00:52:14.680 I have whiteboards and areas that I've,

00:52:16.680 I've mapped out.

00:52:18.620 Are you a serial killer?

00:52:21.140 Yeah.

00:52:22.260 I've mapped out the dimensional map for so long.

00:52:25.580 And first of all,

00:52:26.620 I'd like to say that a lot of people think dimension and density are interchangeable.

00:52:31.100 But really,

00:52:32.220 you know,

00:52:32.660 what we see is that we're actually living,

00:52:35.080 we actually have four dimensions right now,

00:52:37.320 because time is actually a dimension.

00:52:39.280 What we're actually looking at more so is there are densities.

00:52:42.020 There are like sub,

00:52:43.300 sub areas that we start to see these oscillating levels of like basically

00:52:48.260 frequencies for every one of these levels that we go to.

00:52:52.000 You know,

00:52:52.420 often,

00:52:53.000 you know,

00:52:53.300 when we start to look at realm theology,

00:52:55.140 when it comes out of Eastern theology,

00:52:57.380 what we begin to see is that,

00:53:00.140 you know,

00:53:00.560 traditionally it's thought that there would be seven kind of quote unquote realms.

00:53:04.880 And this is actually thought of to be connected to your various chakras.

00:53:08.980 So like you look from the root chakra all the way to the crown,

00:53:12.280 you would get various ideas that you'd be looking at,

00:53:16.400 let's say from your spiritual essence at the,

00:53:19.080 at the,

00:53:19.540 at the root,

00:53:20.320 the divine realm,

00:53:21.280 the monad,

00:53:22.040 the atmic,

00:53:23.240 the atmic being on like a,

00:53:26.360 I don't know,

00:53:27.220 a sort of a seventh dimension or a fourth level of the heart chakra.

00:53:30.700 And the atmic realm in Robert Bruce's work,

00:53:33.120 which is on,

00:53:34.460 you know,

00:53:35.120 astral dynamics,

00:53:35.940 which is fantastic for anyone to read astral dynamics.

00:53:39.600 He's gone into a mapping out through astral projection,

00:53:42.320 all the different dimensional realms.

00:53:44.840 And he just articulates so beautifully with his,

00:53:47.940 his language.

00:53:49.460 But,

00:53:50.200 you know,

00:53:50.500 looking at these levels,

00:53:51.460 it's almost thought of that perhaps maybe on another oscillating level of

00:53:56.140 the third density we are,

00:53:58.400 or in the fourth density,

00:53:59.820 that's where these souls would kind of be sitting.

00:54:01.600 But most recently over the years,

00:54:04.060 we've seen incredible,

00:54:05.620 fascinating testimonials from Alex Collier,

00:54:08.980 or we've seen,

00:54:10.120 you know,

00:54:10.420 from the likes of most certainly there's this,

00:54:14.120 the couple of interviews that Alfred did on various Andromeda council

00:54:17.140 contactees who like Tolick,

00:54:19.800 who have told us that,

00:54:21.320 you know,

00:54:21.700 there's basically going to be this,

00:54:23.740 this convergence as it was Wilcock believes this also,

00:54:28.640 where these kind of these,

00:54:30.120 the earth vibrational level,

00:54:31.620 we're all going to get an upgrade and that all these souls are going to

00:54:34.260 kind of come here.

00:54:35.000 We're going to move into the mixture.

00:54:36.200 But I really think that,

00:54:38.380 you know,

00:54:38.880 there are,

00:54:39.360 there is kind of a between area that we go through and we kind of decide,

00:54:42.560 like in Dr.

00:54:43.280 Michael Newton's work where,

00:54:45.500 you know,

00:54:45.860 where are we going to go?

00:54:46.740 Do we pick our bodies?

00:54:47.880 You know,

00:54:48.020 we deal with the council of elders.

00:54:49.380 It's fascinating.

00:54:51.280 How do you think ET plays into this?

00:54:53.780 I mean,

00:54:53.980 what dimension is he roaming around in?

00:54:58.760 Well,

00:54:59.200 most certainly,

00:55:00.080 you know,

00:55:01.060 that's,

00:55:01.500 that's a very,

00:55:02.580 that's a very big subject.

00:55:03.560 And that's actually what I go into my book a lot about.

00:55:07.900 Really?

00:55:08.700 Oh,

00:55:09.340 it doesn't,

00:55:10.040 it doesn't ever stop.

00:55:11.020 There's so much to cover there.

00:55:12.420 There's so much ground.

00:55:13.340 I mean,

00:55:13.480 we could do an entire show on that.

00:55:15.260 I mean,

00:55:15.840 I don't know if I'd ever shut up,

00:55:16.980 but when we look at exo politics,

00:55:18.760 when we look at ufology,

00:55:20.500 when we look at basically the human race and all the pieces that we're composed of,

00:55:26.020 and,

00:55:26.240 and we've even seen military whistleblowers,

00:55:28.520 such as Sergeant Clifford Stone or major Robert Dean talk about this.

00:55:32.700 Uh,

00:55:33.180 we look back into the Bible,

00:55:34.300 even in the Genesis story,

00:55:35.620 which is based on the Sumerian clay tablets.

00:55:37.600 We start to see that we've had interactions with the Anunnaki.

00:55:41.420 Uh,

00:55:41.660 we've had,

00:55:42.360 you know,

00:55:42.800 in the,

00:55:43.180 in the Vedic texts,

00:55:44.220 we've had,

00:55:44.880 uh,

00:55:45.320 V manas and flying machines.

00:55:46.680 We have all,

00:55:47.500 every area of the world.

00:55:48.640 If you want to look at like Bella Klosky or,

00:55:50.580 or Joseph Campbell's work,

00:55:52.000 we've seen in the mythos flying,

00:55:54.440 uh,

00:55:54.680 our beings that have been flying around and coming here.

00:55:57.020 So,

00:55:57.640 um,

00:55:57.940 most certainly not only have we been tampered with,

00:56:00.240 we've had,

00:56:00.960 uh,

00:56:01.660 ideas of your typical Zeta reticulin grays and your,

00:56:05.180 um,

00:56:06.300 uh,

00:56:06.860 you basically your Orion grays and all these areas,

00:56:09.020 which are thought to be on the fourth density or thought to be on another level.

00:56:12.560 But ideally I've heard a hypothesis that throughout the various cosmology and creation stories I've heard,

00:56:18.140 even the Billy Meyer case,

00:56:19.920 I've heard that,

00:56:20.860 you know,

00:56:21.380 we were technically,

00:56:23.380 uh,

00:56:24.880 supposed to be higher dimensional beings.

00:56:27.280 Uh,

00:56:27.800 some have,

00:56:28.660 some have kind of theorized through the idea of the fall,

00:56:32.000 um,

00:56:32.440 that we see like even in,

00:56:34.140 in the Bible,

00:56:34.880 some have thought that like a new age author,

00:56:37.060 Ted Andrews said in the occult Christ that we would probably have this fall,

00:56:41.400 uh,

00:56:41.920 from,

00:56:42.580 from Atlantis is when it would have happened.

00:56:44.540 And others have said that,

00:56:45.640 you know,

00:56:46.860 most certainly we were created like this to be like a slave race that wouldn't have that particular area.

00:56:52.540 But yeah,

00:56:53.420 I think a lot of the ETs were looking at our fourth density.

00:56:55.780 We can look at like the Andromedas who acclaimed to be on the fifth and sixth.

00:57:00.680 Um,

00:57:01.260 you know,

00:57:01.720 it's,

00:57:02.100 I think it's only a matter of time before we join our,

00:57:04.420 uh,

00:57:05.080 brothers and sisters because our destiny is in the stars to quote Bob Dean.

00:57:09.220 Do you think that any of these aliens will assist humanity through a great transition?

00:57:14.180 A lot of people talk about that,

00:57:15.600 that aliens are actually helping us behind the scenes right now.

00:57:18.120 Do you feel that that's happening?

00:57:20.240 Well,

00:57:20.420 I believe there's laws of the universe that sort of prevent them from getting too involved.

00:57:26.300 But I hear that that's going to be lifted after 2012,

00:57:29.060 according to like,

00:57:30.420 let's say even Daryl Anka's,

00:57:31.760 if you guys have never familiarized yourself with them,

00:57:34.100 the listeners I'm saying now,

00:57:35.540 uh,

00:57:35.840 to listen to the work of Bashar,

00:57:37.700 um,

00:57:38.120 you know,

00:57:38.620 for the most part,

00:57:39.340 because we have had involvement with the ETs,

00:57:43.020 because we took their technological carrot that they dangled in front of us.

00:57:47.100 Uh,

00:57:47.420 and I'm talking about,

00:57:48.460 you know,

00:57:48.880 the stuff that started happening in the thirties and forties.

00:57:51.740 And even before then,

00:57:53.140 uh,

00:57:53.860 even before project paperclip came over and gave us NASA from all the German scientists that were involved with Hitler's group,

00:58:00.920 the Giza architects,

00:58:02.160 which were break off Pleiadians that he was working on,

00:58:04.800 uh,

00:58:05.160 which allegedly,

00:58:06.060 according to Alex Collier,

00:58:07.060 had Aldebaran technology.

00:58:09.360 Um,

00:58:09.680 I would like to say that I think that the time is coming when we will have more assistance,

00:58:14.580 but,

00:58:15.460 you know,

00:58:15.960 for the most part,

00:58:16.800 they want us to do it ourself because to quote Tobias,

00:58:20.780 a guy on YouTube,

00:58:21.680 I love,

00:58:22.340 if you guys in there,

00:58:22.960 check them out,

00:58:23.980 Tobias Gunner.

00:58:24.780 I've heard of him,

00:58:25.400 yeah.

00:58:25.940 Yeah,

00:58:26.380 he's fantastic.

00:58:27.500 Uh,

00:58:27.840 you know,

00:58:28.140 this is the thing.

00:58:28.780 We have to deal with our own stuff.

00:58:30.700 We have to,

00:58:31.540 only,

00:58:31.900 the only people that are going to do it is us because we're little gods.

00:58:35.100 That's why we're here.

00:58:37.440 Do you think our governments would ever fake or stage an alien invasion?

00:58:41.660 I don't think that's even questionable.

00:58:43.320 I think that has been in the works.

00:58:45.200 Uh,

00:58:45.680 the cabal,

00:58:46.940 uh,

00:58:47.420 the groups that have been involved in this,

00:58:48.840 the military industrial complex,

00:58:50.340 they most certainly have.

00:58:51.560 And I've talked to people who have had insider information,

00:58:54.940 uh,

00:58:55.780 you know,

00:58:56.380 that,

00:58:56.940 that has been what's happening.

00:58:58.120 I mean,

00:58:58.540 look,

00:58:58.920 we've seen so much Hollywood propaganda,

00:59:00.920 uh,

00:59:01.840 and you guys are no stranger to that.

00:59:03.340 I mean,

00:59:03.520 I saw a great article on the front of red ice about the rap music industry and how

00:59:07.660 that's being,

00:59:08.380 you know,

00:59:09.040 organized to fill up,

00:59:09.980 uh,

00:59:10.240 private prisons.

00:59:11.120 But most certainly,

00:59:12.540 yeah,

00:59:12.860 we've seen,

00:59:13.380 I mean,

00:59:13.500 look at Spielberg's movies,

00:59:14.840 look at falling skies,

00:59:16.120 look at taken,

00:59:16.940 look at all the invasion movies that have come out over the years.

00:59:20.380 Uh,

00:59:21.520 it's endless.

00:59:22.700 Mm-hmm.

00:59:23.880 Have you had any personal ET encounters yourself?

00:59:27.180 I've seen,

00:59:28.240 I've seen ETs,

00:59:29.540 um,

00:59:30.460 you know,

00:59:30.800 with out-of-body experiences,

00:59:32.080 uh,

00:59:32.540 which I've had from a very young age.

00:59:34.300 I've,

00:59:34.680 I've met with in interdimensional beings.

00:59:37.880 I've,

00:59:38.500 uh,

00:59:39.120 I've most certainly seen ETs formations up in the sky,

00:59:43.960 you know,

00:59:44.580 almost using like a Dr.

00:59:46.300 Stephen Greer kind of protocol,

00:59:47.900 uh,

00:59:48.600 being with people,

00:59:49.880 uh,

00:59:50.180 you know,

00:59:50.440 most certainly having those kinds of communications and dreams that have come off of,

00:59:54.160 uh,

00:59:54.760 telepathic interchanges.

00:59:56.440 But most certainly,

00:59:56.960 I,

00:59:57.200 I feel like my work right now has been guided because of these kinds of inter exchanges.

01:00:02.700 But yeah,

01:00:03.780 I,

01:00:03.980 I haven't been aboard a ship yet,

01:00:05.280 but that's where Mr.

01:00:06.280 Spanky and I on the show,

01:00:07.400 we're,

01:00:07.580 we're hoping to,

01:00:08.500 uh,

01:00:08.760 take the interview to the next level and get up on the ship.

01:00:11.300 Who,

01:00:11.500 who is Mr.

01:00:12.260 Spanky by the way?

01:00:14.120 Well,

01:00:14.400 I'd like to talk about him.

01:00:15.400 Uh,

01:00:15.840 he is somebody who has worked in the movie industry for a long time,

01:00:21.780 uh,

01:00:22.280 for,

01:00:22.780 you know,

01:00:23.120 over 15 years.

01:00:24.100 He's been on a lot of the,

01:00:25.800 uh,

01:00:26.160 a lot of the sets on shows where,

01:00:28.140 where there have been basically spaceships and sci-fi stuff and action and horror and all that.

01:00:33.680 And he and I hooked up basically.

01:00:36.460 We both had a lot in common basically on our views and he kind of lived in my,

01:00:40.420 my particular area,

01:00:41.580 but I was noticing his videos and we both had an interest because we both had,

01:00:45.660 you know,

01:00:46.160 DMT experiences,

01:00:47.440 dimethyltryptamine.

01:00:48.540 And,

01:00:48.660 uh,

01:00:49.180 for him,

01:00:49.480 he was sharing his ayahuasca experiences and kind of the spiritual awakening that he had to go away from being involved with Hollywood and making these movies,

01:00:57.120 um,

01:00:57.980 and kind of retiring from that area.

01:00:59.460 And then he decided that he wanted to get involved with putting out like a European style documentary on these kind of areas.

01:01:06.180 And really when we started talking about what we wanted to form with what,

01:01:10.300 let's say the Johnny Enoch show,

01:01:11.680 it's not necessarily about me.

01:01:14.100 I'm just a personality that's going to go out and interview people.

01:01:17.940 The part of this,

01:01:19.100 the part of it's exciting.

01:01:20.120 It's the show,

01:01:20.900 it's the community.

01:01:22.220 We both decided that,

01:01:23.380 you know,

01:01:23.880 we had five principles that we wanted to really get into,

01:01:26.620 um,

01:01:27.160 looking at the body,

01:01:28.520 mind,

01:01:29.000 uh,

01:01:29.720 geometry,

01:01:30.540 meditation,

01:01:31.340 breathing,

01:01:31.940 uh,

01:01:32.540 and kind of doing this through love because,

01:01:35.180 you know,

01:01:35.940 we are really breathing words where our words are becoming geometry.

01:01:41.320 And we both kind of felt from the very beginning that really the indigenous people are the true scientists.

01:01:47.900 And,

01:01:48.700 you know,

01:01:48.840 when we started looking and when people started looking at YouTube or the internet,

01:01:52.240 it was kind of like their first time having sex.

01:01:55.260 And then I don't want to,

01:01:56.680 I don't want to use a porn metaphor here,

01:01:58.360 but basically,

01:02:00.140 you know,

01:02:00.720 uh,

01:02:01.060 you know,

01:02:01.280 let's say you start looking the same thing all the time.

01:02:03.240 You get kind of bored.

01:02:04.340 Yeah.

01:02:04.500 And so basically we decided that,

01:02:07.020 you know,

01:02:07.280 we wanted to go back to the,

01:02:09.480 the old internet.

01:02:10.200 We wanted to go back into being the web for the web and just put out this free content,

01:02:14.220 truth content,

01:02:15.040 go out there and get it,

01:02:15.880 and then bring out all the other content we could into there.

01:02:18.460 Kind of like red ice is doing.

01:02:19.860 And I really love what you guys are doing.

01:02:21.440 And I support it so,

01:02:23.120 uh,

01:02:23.600 so passionately,

01:02:24.580 but you know,

01:02:26.120 we wanted to be the web for the web,

01:02:27.680 uh,

01:02:28.600 because it's unfortunate.

01:02:29.840 The internet's almost been hijacked by corporations and,

01:02:32.960 uh,

01:02:33.740 that's kind of sad to see.

01:02:35.300 It's also sad to see that sometimes when you put up this great content,

01:02:38.220 that the first comment under your YouTube video is,

01:02:41.740 fuck you.

01:02:44.660 We've come far people.

01:02:46.560 You,

01:02:46.780 you do get a lot of that,

01:02:47.660 but I think with,

01:02:48.540 um,

01:02:49.340 you know,

01:02:49.880 uh,

01:02:50.180 I look at people that have those,

01:02:51.900 those sort of comments is that that's a compliment from them because if this is what their proclivities are,

01:02:56.640 they're,

01:02:56.880 they're interested in this stuff,

01:02:57.920 then,

01:02:58.720 um,

01:02:59.380 you know,

01:02:59.680 at least maybe they're getting some of that,

01:03:01.640 some of that truth in there.

01:03:03.020 At least you're,

01:03:03.520 at least you're moving around some energy so it's not stagnating,

01:03:06.320 you know,

01:03:06.580 causing some waves is always a good thing.

01:03:09.320 Um,

01:03:09.800 before we finish the interview though,

01:03:11.260 uh,

01:03:11.420 tell us about your music.

01:03:13.580 Oh,

01:03:13.960 absolutely.

01:03:14.520 First of all,

01:03:14.960 I just want to get to one thing really quickly before we,

01:03:16.880 before we get to the music.

01:03:18.520 Um,

01:03:19.300 I wanted to say that like basically within the book and all these techniques is that people need to remember that they are precious,

01:03:26.180 powerful,

01:03:27.100 multi-dimensional spiritual beings and each one of you are loved beyond belief.

01:03:31.800 Uh,

01:03:31.940 the truth is,

01:03:32.480 is that you're never given a hope,

01:03:33.920 a wish or a dream that you do not have the means to make come true and none of them are ever alone.

01:03:39.640 I think that really we need to become sorcerers and draw from the source because my whole new work is about not only

01:03:46.860 not only giving people sort of a historicity but giving them the tools to not only see their own auras,

01:03:53.520 to,

01:03:53.820 to focus their will and their words and ideas to become out of the universe,

01:03:57.560 but to realize that we are all,

01:03:59.280 um,

01:04:00.120 gods and creators.

01:04:01.040 And so with my music,

01:04:03.120 um,

01:04:03.660 the real thing with my music is that I basically have been exposed in the past to sort of an urban area.

01:04:10.880 And,

01:04:11.480 you know,

01:04:11.860 I've,

01:04:12.100 I've always kind of,

01:04:13.000 you know,

01:04:13.260 I've always kind of liked hip hop and various,

01:04:15.140 you know,

01:04:15.460 types of music,

01:04:16.280 even seventies music or whatever it is.

01:04:18.180 And I know that there's always been this sort of this misogynistic violence,

01:04:22.540 um,

01:04:23.620 aspect to the hip hop culture,

01:04:25.280 but I have always sort of like made this spiritual metaphysical interdimensional interconnected pineal gland stimulating DMT music that is,

01:04:36.600 is,

01:04:36.940 is got this kind of a synergy with that kind of thinking.

01:04:39.200 So,

01:04:40.040 um,

01:04:40.440 with that being said,

01:04:41.680 you know,

01:04:42.060 that's kind of where I'm at.

01:04:43.200 And I'm actually in the process of,

01:04:44.920 uh,

01:04:45.160 recording an album with some guys in Vancouver.

01:04:47.980 Oh,

01:04:48.140 nice.

01:04:48.900 Hey,

01:04:49.220 so question for you.

01:04:50.040 What do you think about Jay-Z using all the Illuminati symbolism?

01:04:53.020 Is it just fun or does he know what he's doing?

01:04:55.420 Oh,

01:04:55.620 he knows what he's doing.

01:04:56.660 I mean,

01:04:57.580 even from a conspiracy level,

01:04:59.200 uh,

01:04:59.460 you know,

01:04:59.720 there's,

01:05:00.020 there's so much that's come out,

01:05:01.160 but I mean,

01:05:01.980 he's calling himself Rockefeller music.

01:05:04.260 He's throwing up the rock,

01:05:05.400 the pyramid.

01:05:05.720 It's cheesy,

01:05:06.300 isn't it?

01:05:06.740 It's cheesy.

01:05:07.560 Yeah.

01:05:08.000 Oh,

01:05:08.260 it is.

01:05:08.640 There's no doubt about it.

01:05:09.960 I mean,

01:05:10.180 Lady Gaga and,

01:05:11.460 uh,

01:05:11.780 Barry Satoru,

01:05:12.680 or Barack Obama,

01:05:14.180 the,

01:05:14.460 uh,

01:05:14.900 and Mark Zuckerberg,

01:05:16.300 all of them were involved basically in,

01:05:18.740 uh,

01:05:19.000 you know,

01:05:19.260 programs for the highly gifted.

01:05:20.520 They're basically CIA puppets.

01:05:22.760 And so Interscope,

01:05:24.200 uh,

01:05:24.500 records allegedly,

01:05:26.000 and I,

01:05:26.280 I don't want to have any sort of defamation or libel cases against me.

01:05:29.680 Allegedly,

01:05:30.260 from what I've heard,

01:05:31.020 there,

01:05:31.220 there's been involvement,

01:05:32.040 uh,

01:05:32.800 in these various areas.

01:05:35.020 So,

01:05:35.780 you know,

01:05:36.220 most certainly people got to caution what they're hearing.

01:05:38.620 And,

01:05:39.140 and listen to it from a place of love.

01:05:41.540 Unfortunately,

01:05:42.380 all this music just goes straight in nowadays.

01:05:45.340 It's right in the head,

01:05:46.500 you know,

01:05:47.080 it's amazing.

01:05:48.120 It does.

01:05:48.440 And you know what?

01:05:49.120 It's actually interesting.

01:05:49.900 On our website,

01:05:50.760 uh,

01:05:51.600 which everyone should join up and sign up and follow me on Twitter at Johnny Enoch,

01:05:56.080 or join into our forums conversations so we can get them going on our website.

01:05:59.800 We just had,

01:06:00.820 uh,

01:06:01.300 someone making a post that all,

01:06:03.420 all the music that's been kind of coming out is at 220 Hertz.

01:06:06.580 And it's really interesting that we're starting to see a certain,

01:06:09.240 uh,

01:06:09.740 brainwave state that's being conditioned and bringing you in.

01:06:12.860 That's making the music almost get you on a little high.

01:06:14.980 And so something to look at.

01:06:17.080 Or even hypnotizing you and keeping you in this,

01:06:18.980 uh,

01:06:19.280 reptile mode,

01:06:20.400 you know,

01:06:20.760 uh,

01:06:22.300 most certainly.

01:06:23.040 I mean,

01:06:23.280 we,

01:06:23.460 we've seen that we've seen a lot of the lyrics and areas.

01:06:25.760 I,

01:06:26.160 I think what's really interesting to me to listen to is we see like even Eminem,

01:06:30.900 he's had a change of heart.

01:06:32.140 And from his,

01:06:33.260 uh,

01:06:33.820 his previous records,

01:06:34.760 I have to say,

01:06:35.440 I,

01:06:35.560 I,

01:06:35.920 I met him years ago and he was actually a very nice guy.

01:06:39.420 Yo,

01:06:39.580 absolutely.

01:06:40.200 I think he's a genius.

01:06:41.240 I really do.

01:06:42.100 But you look at his relapse album and then see,

01:06:44.540 you know,

01:06:44.700 his songs like 3am and all them instead of a darker aspect.

01:06:47.560 And now he's released recovery,

01:06:49.280 which is,

01:06:49.980 is very much a,

01:06:51.580 um,

01:06:51.940 an album sort of dedicated to,

01:06:53.700 you know,

01:06:54.340 his change and how that's kind of coming together.

01:06:56.580 And most certainly we've seen with Snoop Dogg,

01:06:58.200 him talk about his,

01:06:59.660 how he,

01:07:00.480 a few years ago,

01:07:01.440 he was busted right outside of Jay Leno.

01:07:03.600 And when he was busted,

01:07:05.340 they,

01:07:05.760 he said that they had placed stuff on him that wasn't his.

01:07:08.200 And Snoop Dogg's not a guy to lie mainly about,

01:07:11.400 you know,

01:07:11.640 what he had.

01:07:12.200 He usually takes the,

01:07:13.260 he usually takes the hit and he needs,

01:07:15.000 like he quiets up about it.

01:07:16.500 I think most certainly he's also talked about on previous records that record,

01:07:20.740 uh,

01:07:21.240 executives have tried to blackmail him and bribe him.

01:07:23.720 I think most certainly you've seen a guy there who has probably been bribed because he goes into a lot of other countries,

01:07:29.860 kind of like Michael Jackson did,

01:07:31.120 where he's,

01:07:31.720 you know,

01:07:31.900 got like an in,

01:07:32.820 in these other areas where possibly they said to him,

01:07:35.540 okay,

01:07:35.720 you have to cooperate on that level.

01:07:37.180 And I'm not saying this for certain,

01:07:38.960 but it certainly looks,

01:07:41.180 uh,

01:07:41.420 it certainly looks like that.

01:07:42.720 But I also just wanted to say one last thing.

01:07:45.280 Um,

01:07:45.680 if I could give a shout out,

01:07:46.860 there's a,

01:07:47.400 a friend of mine,

01:07:48.240 uh,

01:07:49.420 Chuck Vanderbilt that,

01:07:50.880 uh,

01:07:51.260 Chuck Vanderby that just released a book,

01:07:53.140 uh,

01:07:53.740 that's coming out called the Sikhoris.

01:07:55.260 Uh,

01:07:56.260 and he's talking about the,

01:07:57.800 the Saint,

01:07:58.420 uh,

01:07:59.360 Medard miracles of the 18th century in France.

01:08:02.480 Uh,

01:08:02.880 and he sort of gets into raw and the Egyptians and the paniel gland.

01:08:05.820 So if you all get a chance,

01:08:07.240 check it out.

01:08:08.100 All right.

01:08:08.780 Well,

01:08:08.960 thank you,

01:08:09.320 Johnny.

01:08:09.600 This has been a pleasant surprise.

01:08:10.980 When I first contacted you,

01:08:12.000 I thought we were just going to talk about crackdom,

01:08:13.560 but,

01:08:13.880 uh,

01:08:14.260 there was so much more.

01:08:16.320 Well,

01:08:16.680 thank you very much.

01:08:17.500 It's,

01:08:17.780 it's been great to talk to you guys.

01:08:19.020 And I,

01:08:19.400 I love what red ice is doing.

01:08:21.120 Well,

01:08:21.280 thanks for the support on that note.

01:08:22.720 Here is a freestyle rap.

01:08:24.300 Johnny created for red ice and be sure to listen to radio three 14 next time for Tom Montauk.

01:08:29.780 Enjoy.

01:08:31.880 Yes.

01:08:32.320 A little freestyle for the show.

01:08:34.420 It's your man.

01:08:35.160 Shaman,

01:08:35.880 AKA Johnny Enoch.

01:08:39.100 It's a Jago double NY.

01:08:40.800 You know why I'm red ice creations chatted with my friend Lana.

01:08:44.320 So make yourself comfortable with jeans or pajamas.

01:08:46.660 Anything goes.

01:08:47.340 Talking to original individuals on the extraterrestrial,

01:08:50.520 interdimensional,

01:08:51.360 sentinel inventions though.

01:08:53.160 And they're saying I'm the method though,

01:08:54.520 because I got the antidote.

01:08:56.120 And they're living like a vegetable,

01:08:57.560 eating indigestibles,

01:08:58.580 but you skeptics are suggestible.

01:09:00.380 Thinking that your beliefs are indestructible.

01:09:02.960 Fluoridation,

01:09:03.560 non-GMO,

01:09:04.340 that'd be sinking.

01:09:05.320 Titanic like Leonardo DiCaprio.

01:09:07.640 I'm a natural,

01:09:08.520 guessing though to find the stuff hidden by majestic twirl.

01:09:11.180 Cause they call me the Andromedans and Pleiadians.

01:09:13.480 Welcome to our carnival.

01:09:14.860 Deviled like a carnival.

01:09:15.980 I'm a herbivore.

01:09:17.300 Saying stuff you never heard before.

01:09:18.820 With a bite like a Labrador from El Salvador.

01:09:21.300 And I'm just so cocky.

01:09:22.180 Talking to the Anunnaki.

01:09:23.440 I'm a walkie-talkie.

01:09:24.640 First blood.

01:09:25.440 Blind.

01:09:26.000 Like Rocky.

01:09:27.040 In Enochian.

01:09:27.880 Ha ha.

01:09:28.340 He must be choking.

01:09:29.440 Is it broken?

01:09:30.040 Cause of the words that be spoken.

01:09:31.780 Is he smoking?

01:09:32.660 Our minds so elevated

01:09:34.380 That we time the truth?

01:09:35.840 We call them red-eyed creations.

01:09:37.760 So tell Barack Obama.

01:09:39.260 I mean very tutorial.

01:09:40.440 I mean a mama's tomorrow.

01:09:41.940 Awaken.

01:09:42.600 Never shaken.

01:09:43.520 Leave a mark like Zora.

01:09:44.980 You should see our aura.

01:09:46.300 Do Kabbalah.

01:09:47.060 Like we like menorahs.

01:09:48.600 It's already tomorrow.

01:09:49.900 Elevated.

01:09:50.500 Alpha, theta.

01:09:50.980 Glad I made it.

01:09:51.800 Fascinated like I'm Cassinator.

01:09:53.540 Back to the future like I'm Andrew Bishago.

01:09:55.620 In a cardigan.

01:09:56.620 Type 4 on the Cardashev.

01:09:58.400 You look pale.

01:09:59.300 Must have seen a ghost.

01:10:00.280 Telepathy.

01:10:00.840 You got mail.

01:10:02.000 Step back brother.

01:10:03.160 I'm Dale Doback at the Catalina Wine Mixer.

01:10:05.860 Listen mister.

01:10:06.720 If it's DMT.

01:10:08.000 Diamethal tryptamine.

01:10:09.140 You know what I mean.

01:10:10.280 My panty all open.

01:10:11.440 That's my third eye.

01:10:12.600 It got bifocals.

01:10:13.700 Not a joke though.

01:10:14.780 So put the crowd I'm in my cup.

01:10:16.300 And you know it's up.

01:10:17.380 You can find me on thejohnnyenockshow.com

01:10:20.200 You can't go wrong.

01:10:21.160 That's how I go.

01:10:21.940 That's how I roll.

01:10:22.860 That's how I flow.

01:10:23.640 From the dome.

01:10:24.340 Is he Joe Rogan?

01:10:25.440 Or Hulk Hogan?

01:10:26.340 Holding the slogan?

01:10:27.520 Open your mind.

01:10:28.360 You better damn sure hope that it remains open.

Radio 3Fourteen - May 30, 2012

Kratom _ The Multiverse

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