Radio 3Fourteen - May 16, 2016


March of the Titans_ The Rise _ Fall of Caucasian Civilization

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colonization morals white colonialism out of Africa theory white flight ethnostates
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Lana Lokteff
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In this episode, I speak with Arthur Kemp, an archaeologist, philosopher and white nationalist. We discuss the rise and fall of civilizations, and the role of race in determining the fate of civilizations. Arthur has been a long time member of the White Nationalist movement, and has been involved in some of the most extreme white nationalist movements in history. He is also the author of the book, "March of the Titans: A Guide to the Rise and Fall of the World's Greatest Empires".

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00:00:00.260 Arthur Kemp, I'm delighted and honoured to have you here, so thanks for joining us.
00:00:04.600 It's a great pleasure, Lana. I think you and Red Ice do a great job, and I'm very honoured to be on your show.
00:00:10.020 Well, it's refreshing to speak with you, because I've actually tried doing a couple white archaeology shows with some racialists, but it never turns out good. 0.51
00:00:17.700 And unfortunately, it can come across a little wacky sometimes. I'm sure you've come across that too.
00:00:23.000 Unfortunately, I've had more than my fair share of dealing with wacky people, so I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:00:29.400 But it doesn't necessarily have to be. I think what happens a lot of the time is that people tend to overplay what the reality is.
00:00:40.220 And sometimes if they're not happy with the reality, they add to it.
00:00:44.780 I think that's quite common amongst not only people in the so-called white nationalist movement, but probably everywhere.
00:00:51.800 Yeah. Well, when I mentioned to our listeners that you were coming on, a lot of people responded in saying how March of the Titans
00:00:57.800 was a major eye-opener for them. And for me, you know, I just love Eurocentric history and archaeology.
00:01:03.500 March of the Titans, it's a masterful body of work. And so I wanted to read a quote to kind of summarize it.
00:01:09.500 Most importantly, revealed in this work is the one true cause of the rise and fall of the world's greatest empires,
00:01:15.680 that all civilizations rise and fall according to their racial homogeneity, and nothing else.
00:01:20.720 A nation can survive wars, defeats, catastrophes, but not racial dissolution, a.k.a. diversity, right?
00:01:27.620 So Rome didn't collapse from debauchery and decadence. So where do you like to begin when approaching this subject with newcomers? 0.53
00:01:33.700 Well, the very first way to understand it is to take a step back away from any idea of denigrating other people.
00:01:45.380 That's probably a very important basis to start with. It's one of the biggest problems in this so-called movement is that it seems to be based more on putting other people down.
00:01:55.920 You don't have to put anyone else down. All you have to do is stand back and look at it from a purely objective point of view.
00:02:02.560 What causes culture? What causes civilization? And how do these things change?
00:02:09.600 Now, my basis, whenever anyone asks me, oh, can you explain what you mean? I always say, look, it's very simple.
00:02:17.240 Each culture, each civilization is a product of a certain people.
00:02:22.000 So, for example, the Chinese people created Chinese civilization, the Japanese people created Japanese civilization, 0.92
00:02:29.100 the Australian Aborigines created Australian Aborigines civilization, and the Europeans created European civilization.
00:02:36.180 Now, you don't have to be subjective about any of them. Of course, we all like to think that our own version is better,
00:02:44.500 but that's a subjective opinion. We can be objective about it. We can say, yes, look, Europeans created European civilization,
00:02:52.440 so on and so forth. Now, if you, and generally everyone will say, yes, well, that's obvious.
00:02:57.800 Obviously, Europeans created European civilization. Obviously, Chinese people created Chinese civilization, 0.95
00:03:02.720 so on and so forth. Once you've got them to agree with that very basic and very simple fact,
00:03:08.340 then all you do, you say to them, well, what happens if all the Chinese people had to vanish tomorrow?
00:03:13.580 Well, what would happen to Chinese civilization? Oh, well, probably it would disappear. 1.00
00:03:17.640 Yes, obviously. If the Japanese people disappear tomorrow, would anything remain of Japanese civilization? 1.00
00:03:23.760 No. If the Australian Aborigines people disappear tomorrow, would anything remain of their culture 1.00
00:03:28.740 and their civilization? No. So, therefore, obviously, if the European people disappear, 0.59
00:03:34.400 nothing will remain of their culture or their civilization? Yes.
00:03:38.080 Everyone will say, well, yes, that's pretty obvious. I said, well, there you go.
00:03:42.560 That is the cause of the explanation of the rise and fall of all civilizations. If the people who created
00:03:49.280 a civilization disappear for any reason, whether it be a replacement through mass immigration,
00:03:57.620 whether it be through extermination in warfare or death by disease or whatever, if a founding
00:04:03.940 population disappears, that founding population's culture and civilization will disappear with it.
00:04:11.460 And once you've got that particular, and that's a very basic, it's not a radical position,
00:04:16.880 and there's almost no one I've ever met anywhere in the world that's been able to disagree with that.
00:04:22.000 Once you've got them to understand that basic principle, then all you have to do is show that every great
00:04:27.980 civilization in history, no matter what its race, no matter what its origin, that every great civilization
00:04:35.860 has vanished once the people who created it vanish. And if you can get people to understand that very
00:04:42.540 simple, very basic principle, then history stops becoming a jumble of meaningless dates and events,
00:04:49.360 and you can see a very clear flow in it.
00:04:52.280 Yeah, and you've done a beautiful job outlining a lot of these civilizations. Egypt's a classic one
00:04:57.200 that people like to point to. And then you also mentioned like the Great Depression or Germany
00:05:01.860 after World War II, how all these countries have been able to pull themselves up after these events
00:05:07.040 because racially it was still homogenous, right?
00:05:09.980 That's exactly the point. Germany is actually a good case in point, what you're talking about,
00:05:14.400 because a lot of people say, oh, the Roman Empire collapsed because the barbarians sacked Rome
00:05:19.100 in 453, and that was the end of Rome. In actual fact, the Celts sacked Rome in 212 BC,
00:05:25.660 but Rome came back. Rome eventually conquered the Celts after the Celts sacked Rome.
00:05:31.700 So you're absolutely right. People who believe, for example, that military defeat would be the
00:05:37.080 cause of the collapse of an empire, you're right. You know, 80% of Germany was flattened to the ground
00:05:42.460 in 1945, and by 1955, 1960, it was once again the strongest nation in Western Europe.
00:05:50.500 If debauchery, if moral degeneracy would be the reason for the collapse of a civilization,
00:05:55.660 then I can assure you Britain should have collapsed in the 1600s. 0.65
00:06:00.140 You look at the debauched histories of the royal families of Britain, and I'm not picking on Britain
00:06:05.940 in particular, but it is a good example. If you look at the murders of each other and brothers killing
00:06:12.640 each other and all sorts of horrible things, moral debauchery should have finished off Britain
00:06:18.540 many, many, many centuries ago. And of course, that didn't happen.
00:06:23.380 Precisely because, as you said there, that if, as long as a founding population remains in place,
00:06:30.960 as long as it remains the majority population, and as long as it remains homogenous,
00:06:36.300 that society will continue to be in existence.
00:06:38.740 Well, I know this is nearly impossible to answer, but according to history from
00:06:43.320 what you've seen, what or who in these societies begins pushing towards diversity, if you will?
00:06:50.100 Yeah, now that's the great question. I know a lot of people say,
00:06:55.220 oh, it's the Jews, or oh, it's this, or oh, it's Christianity, or oh, it's this religion, 0.68
00:07:00.600 or that religion, or this belief system. I'm sorry to say, but in almost every case that I can think of,
00:07:07.240 it's simple ignorance of the long-term racial consequences of using foreign labor.
00:07:16.040 And the example that I always use is, for example, if I had to go, if someone had to invent a time machine,
00:07:23.440 which would be great, but if someone had to invent a time machine, and I could go back to
00:07:28.980 pre-Civil War Atlanta in Georgia, and fly out there, and pick up one of those big
00:07:36.040 cotton plantation owners, who's got his 500 Negro slaves slaving away in the field, picking his cotton, 0.99
00:07:42.780 making him and his family a very rich man, put him in a time machine, and take him to Atlanta, Georgia in 2016,
00:07:50.500 and drop him off in the middle of Atlanta, and say, look here,
00:07:53.480 the direct consequence of you, and the small number of plantation owners who use black labor, 0.50
00:08:01.700 is that your great-grandchildren cannot walk the streets of Atlanta, Georgia, cannot walk the streets 0.92
00:08:07.700 of your state's capital anymore, because the place is now taken over by blacks, and it's now unsafe for 1.00
00:08:14.740 white people to walk in the street. I'm quite sure that that plantation owner never dreamed, 0.96
00:08:20.440 never wanted in his wildest imagining, never wanted that for his great-grandchildren,
00:08:26.600 but he didn't understand the long-term consequences of using foreign labor, and I think this played out
00:08:34.640 in Egypt, this played out in Sumeria, this played out in every great civilization that has fallen, 0.68
00:08:41.100 or in South Africa, or in Rhodesia. I don't think they understood the consequences of using it,
00:08:47.960 so it's easy to blame others, and certainly others do have a role to play, I'm not denying that,
00:08:55.900 but it's, I'm afraid the truth which hurts is that it's quite often white people themselves
00:09:01.760 who don't have an understanding of the global geopolitical racial consequences of their actions.
00:09:08.460 Now one thing, you know, English always get blamed for is colonialism, and I always say
00:09:14.140 English colonialism cannot at all be compared to the mass invasion of today, but what are your
00:09:19.640 thoughts on English colonialism? Was it wrong? Yes, I'm a firm anti-colonialist. There are two ways
00:09:30.400 to approach colonialism. Colonialism that's done on a Ragnar, Rigbeard, Redbeard, might is right principle, 0.97
00:09:41.080 is a immutable law of nature. Almost every colonization process has been probably undertaken
00:09:47.700 on that basis. Just to divert for one second, you do know, of course, that the first colonizers
00:09:53.220 of anywhere were in fact non-Europeans colonizing Europe. Yes. It's very, it's a factual inaccuracy
00:10:00.620 to say that Europeans started the colonization process. In actual fact, the first great colonizing
00:10:06.460 invasions were of non-Europeans into Europe, so if anyone should be screaming for reparations, 0.70
00:10:11.920 it should be the Europeans. Now, leaving that aside, if you look at the English colonization 0.93
00:10:18.080 process, when, for example, if you're going to colonize a place properly, and I'm now divorcing
00:10:24.200 it from any moral issues, because I believe there is a moral issue at play here, but if
00:10:28.860 you're going to divorce it from a moral issue, the way you colonize a place is you move in
00:10:33.100 and you push out, you eradicate the native inhabitants and you occupy the territory and you take it 0.95
00:10:39.740 over. Okay? A good example of English colonialism that was done this way would have been Australia.
00:10:45.020 Okay? Or the United States of America. They simply pushed the native, the, I don't want to call them 1.00
00:10:52.560 the Native Americans, because they weren't even native. I want to call them the American Indians. 0.96
00:10:56.460 They simply pushed them out through mass immigration and they simply took their lands and they colonized 1.00
00:11:01.540 them. They fought them, defeated the Indians, and that was it. That's how America was colonized. 0.99
00:11:06.660 That's how Australia was colonized. Now, in those days, morally, no one thought anything of it,
00:11:13.760 because that's how all of history had run. I think that we nowadays have reached the stage where all
00:11:18.520 of society has advanced and we can take moral judgments on things. Say, for example, and he has
00:11:26.320 the great case, the Jews all move into Palestine, beat up the Palestinians, kick the Palestinians out, 1.00
00:11:32.100 torture them, oppress them. I think we have a right to say, listen here, the time has moved on. 0.99
00:11:37.960 This is no longer 1700 or 1800 where people could get away with such immoral or morally questionable
00:11:45.520 things as colonizing and beating up a native population. And therefore, Israel should be 1.00
00:11:50.220 criticized for colonizing Palestine at the expense of the Palestinians, because that's essentially what
00:11:56.540 they've done. They've adopted the Ragnar Redbeard approach of driving the Palestinians out. 1.00
00:12:00.140 Now, that would have might have been acceptable in 1800 or 1700, as the English did in America 0.96
00:12:05.320 or Australia, but it's no longer acceptable in this day and age. Going back to, if you look at
00:12:12.940 English colonization, for example, in where I was born, Rhodesia, or what was then southern
00:12:19.780 Rhodesia when I was born there, you look at English colonization there, that wasn't done on a
00:12:25.020 might is right principle. That was done on a white supremacist principle, where a small number of
00:12:30.460 whites moved in and established a government to rule over many, many, many more millions, in fact,
00:12:38.860 of blacks. Now, a white supremacist government, apart from its moral questionability, is also doomed 0.88
00:12:46.540 to failure, because it ignores the demographic principle which governs all society. Those who make it, 0.96
00:12:52.520 the majority of people in a society, determine the nature and direction of that society.
00:12:57.920 And that's why white supremacism never works, and it's actually a recipe for failure. Apartheid in 0.90
00:13:03.480 South Africa was another system like that, designed on minority rule over a majority population, 0.59
00:13:09.960 guaranteed to fail over the long term, no matter what the short-term policy applications were.
00:13:15.640 So, yes, we can now, from the advantage of many centuries later, say, well, it wasn't really
00:13:23.540 fair of the English to colonize North America, or the Germans, or the French, or whoever it all took 0.83
00:13:29.380 part in it, because they all took part in it. But I think we can now look back and say, look,
00:13:34.080 it was done. We can draw a line underneath it. We can say, we now deal with the reality of the
00:13:38.720 situation as we have it now. And if we adopt the principle that it was wrong for the English to
00:13:44.800 colonize any part of the world, or it was wrong for the Europeans to colonize any part of the world,
00:13:52.000 therefore it is also wrong for the Third World to colonize any part of the world as well. 0.97
00:13:57.840 So, if it was wrong for the English to colonize America, but that's now done, 0.93
00:14:02.480 then it is also wrong for the Mexicans to colonize America in this day and age as well. 0.93
00:14:08.340 Or it is wrong for Africa to colonize Europe in this day and age, 1.00
00:14:12.000 just because Europeans colonized Africa in the 1600s or 1700s.
00:14:16.780 Now, would you say there's a difference, though, between colonialism and exploration? Because,
00:14:21.320 you know, white people we explored, you know, we cataloged plants and animals, we learned so much,
00:14:26.220 right? Huge difference between exploration and colonization. Absolutely massive.
00:14:32.480 You're right. Absolutely right. I think that exploring the world was something that Europeans
00:14:39.140 had to do. It's no coincidence that the Europeans explored the world and no one else did. I think
00:14:45.440 that's an inherent differential difference, which is still valid to this very day. And certainly,
00:14:54.000 but I think, look, as I said to you, I'm not going to condemn people for what they did in 1700s or 1600s.
00:15:00.200 That was the norm at the time. It's like condemning people for
00:15:04.220 not allowing women to have the vote. You know, most people, I know there's some people in the alt-right
00:15:13.160 who don't think so, but most people today would not suggest that women shouldn't have the vote. 0.81
00:15:18.780 But, you know, a hundred years ago, it was an accepted principle that women didn't have the vote.
00:15:24.540 Now, one can sit nowadays and moralize on that. Or you can say, well, that was the norm at the time.
00:15:31.120 I'm not going to condemn anybody for holding the views which were dominant at that time. But these are
00:15:36.160 the values which we have today. And so, you're right. I think colonization is a morally,
00:15:47.920 you can judge colonization only in the morals of the time. You can't judge it by today's morals and standards.
00:15:55.020 Yeah, I suppose the better thing to do would have been to explore and perhaps help or interact with people
00:16:00.660 who wanted helping or wanted to trade information and learn skills from each other,
00:16:04.940 but then leave afterwards and not settle there for good, because there's a difference between having an exchange
00:16:09.540 and permanently living there, which creates problems, right?
00:16:12.600 Correct. And I think the immigration crisis that faces the first world today is the direct product 1.00
00:16:20.340 of colonization. Let me explain it to you this way, and I can explain it to you because of my own
00:16:27.760 personal experiences in Rhodesia and South Africa. Before the arrival of the white colonists,
00:16:35.540 the average black reproduction rate, the average black woman would have had maybe, 1.00
00:16:40.860 from the time of puberty to the time of whenever they would die, and they'd die in the early age of
00:16:47.020 in their 40s or something like that. But from time from puberty to the time of the cessation of their
00:16:54.460 reproductive life cycle, put it that way, they would have maybe 20 pregnancies. But before the advent of
00:17:02.420 white colonization, of those 20 pregnancies, probably 17 or 18 would die either in pregnancy or would be
00:17:10.840 stillborn or would starve to death or whatever the case was, so their population numbers were
00:17:17.400 always in proportion to the land's ability to support their subsistence existence.
00:17:23.240 So along comes Whitey, along comes the white colonist, sometimes with a gun in one hand and the Bible in the 0.99
00:17:31.000 other, or sometimes just holding a Bible or sometimes just holding a gun. But whatever it is, he comes along
00:17:35.960 and he sets up a society and he says, wow, look at this infant mortality rate. It's terrible. How can you have
00:17:42.540 an infant mortality rate of 95 percent? We've got to fix this. It's our Christian duty. It's our moral duty.
00:17:48.400 It's our whatever duty to do this. And so what they do is they bring in hospitals, they bring in schools, they bring in
00:17:54.180 medicine, they bring in education. Now, the black woman is no longer having a 95 percent infant mortality rate. 0.56
00:18:02.420 Now he has, she has a 10 or 15 percent infant mortality rate. So what happens to the black population?
00:18:08.840 It skyrockets. And that's what happened in South Africa. There's a good, good test. If you look up and 0.96
00:18:16.180 you can see it, find it online nowadays. You can find the 1913 Encyclopedia Britannica, the famous 11th edition. It's
00:18:24.000 the grandest Encyclopedia Britannica of all time. And you look up there, they have a section there on the
00:18:30.000 Transvaal, which was the Boer Republic of the Zet Afrikaanser de Public that was taken over, occupied,
00:18:38.020 militarily occupied by the British during the Second Anglo-Boer War. And the British conducted
00:18:44.500 the first census in the Transvaal, in the ZAR. And they found the census figures, and I'm speaking,
00:18:52.100 I'm speaking under correction, but I'm pretty sure the figures are close to this, that there were just
00:18:58.180 under 300,000 Europeans in the Transvaal and about 690,000 Africans in the Transvaal in 1907.
00:19:08.820 And if you look at the disproportionate population growth between 1907 and say 1990, which is not long,
00:19:16.500 it's 80 something odd years. If you look at the disproportionate growth, you will find that by
00:19:21.140 1990 there were, I think, 1.2 million Europeans, and I think in the region of 12 to 14 million Africans.
00:19:32.740 Now, the population growth is exclusively due to the introduction of white medicine, white education, 0.98
00:19:43.460 giving them jobs and giving them employment. In other words, artificially boosting their population.
00:19:48.680 Now, this has happened all over Africa, and it's still going on. All this Doctors Without Borders and
00:19:54.240 Live Aid and, you know, help the starving Ethiopians. What happens? Whites go over there, 1.00
00:20:00.520 interfere with the natural nature's ordering of the population, and all of a sudden you've got these 0.78
00:20:06.880 huge extra populations who are incapable of feeding themselves, incapable of organizing any agriculture,
00:20:13.600 incapable, basically, of doing anything except breeding more. And whoops, now where are they all
00:20:19.720 going to? Now they're pouring into Europe. And the same thing's happening in South and Latin America as
00:20:25.060 well. And that's why you've got the problem in the U.S. Well, you know, where all this population,
00:20:31.040 well, from Central and South America, where's it all coming from? It's simply they've been bred up by 1.00
00:20:36.000 white colonialism.
00:20:37.140 That's right. We're always trying to create order everywhere. And I've heard, too, apartheid,
00:20:41.080 one of the things is they were trying to create peace among the tribes, right? Because all the
00:20:45.200 tribes were also killing each other. But that's one way that the population was also staying low,
00:20:49.960 right?
00:20:52.140 Yeah. I don't think intertribal warfare killed so many as did disease and starvation.
00:20:57.940 People who aren't familiar with Africa, or let me rephrase that, Europeans who aren't liberals, 0.60
00:21:10.260 who aren't familiar with Africa, don't understand exactly how backward Africa was.
00:21:16.300 Another one of my favorite stories, just to illustrate this point, is when you read the diaries of Dr.
00:21:21.860 Kenneth Livingston, the great explorer Livingston, you know, the guy, Stanley, Dr. Livingston,
00:21:26.180 I presume you know that story. If you read his diaries, he describes going into an African village
00:21:33.680 in 1871. So that's not that long ago in the grand scheme of things. And he describes, he's got a
00:21:42.100 donkey and a cart. He couldn't use a horse because the horses all died from African horse sickness. 1.00
00:21:48.760 We had a donkey, which was somehow a resistance, a mule, to African horse sickness. Anyway,
00:21:53.400 and he, as he describes in this diary so nicely, how he's riding up into this village of about 4,000
00:22:00.420 souls. And all the Africans come out and they're all stark naked because they haven't got clothes. 1.00
00:22:05.540 And they're all standing on the side of this path, this rudimentary path that he's coming, 0.78
00:22:09.920 he's coming trotting up in his cart and his donkey. And you see all their heads are going round and
00:22:16.300 round and round like they're watching some type of big Ferris wheel. And he can't work it out.
00:22:21.760 Why are their heads on me? He thinks maybe it's some type of tribal greeting. Then he realizes
00:22:26.640 they're looking at the wheels on his cart. They've never seen the wheel before.
00:22:33.440 Yeah, I know.
00:22:34.280 So you're dealing with the people who 100 years ago didn't have the wheel.
00:22:38.580 Yeah.
00:22:38.780 So there's no way they're going to be resistant to any type of bacteria or going to have any type
00:22:45.720 of medicine or anything like that at all. So yeah, tribal warfare played its role, but tribal
00:22:52.180 warfare would be, it was a summer activity. It wasn't a winter activity. They didn't fight each other
00:22:57.500 during the winter. And let's be honest, Europeans have a good long history of tribal warfare as well.
00:23:03.960 Yes, we do. Yes, we do. We do better than anyone else, I think. I've actually been through Africa
00:23:09.140 and I've been to parts of Africa out in the bush where I was the first white person. A lot of these
00:23:14.460 kids saw actually have photos of that. So yeah, I've, I've seen firsthand how some of them live and
00:23:18.980 they still have their witch doctors and all kinds of fun stuff.
00:23:21.900 Oh, no. They're witch doctors in Birmingham and in England nowadays. You can look, you can find,
00:23:26.420 you can look them up in the local newspaper. Dr. Ujubi to cure impotence, financial trouble,
00:23:32.500 and anything else. No, I'm not joking. That third world moves with them.
00:23:36.820 Now, what about the out of Africa theory? Obviously, I know you're not a believer of it. I don't either.
00:23:42.240 But you know, if we come from Africa, then what's the problem? Why can't we be there? Right? 1.00
00:23:47.060 Well, that is true. First of all, there are a number of problems with the out of Africa theory
00:23:51.620 in my opinion. I remember having this great discussion with Dr. Philip Rushton once. Sadly,
00:23:55.840 he's passed away, but he had, because he was a great believer in the out of Africa theory.
00:24:01.100 But the discussion that I had with him on this, on this basis was, well, A, number one,
00:24:06.160 the time periods that we're talking about, the continents weren't even formed properly. So
00:24:10.520 you can't even say out of Africa, really, if one is going to believe the continental shifts
00:24:14.860 and the drifts and that type of thing. Secondly, the out of Africa theory relies on genetic mutation
00:24:23.040 over a period of between 120,000 and 150,000 years. That's the most common time period,
00:24:30.060 which they say that the great migration out of central Africa came then and branched off
00:24:35.860 into Asia and then one lot went into Europe and then they mutated out according to their
00:24:40.620 environments. You know the theory. Now, as I said to Dr. Rushton at the time,
00:24:47.540 Dr. Rushton at the time, is that if this is true, if this is true, this would imply,
00:24:52.100 that people are walking, right, because they haven't got cars, they haven't got wagons,
00:24:57.520 they haven't got anything, they're walking. They're walking a hell of a long way
00:25:00.860 to get to Europe and to get to Asia. That normal migration periods would take, you know, 0.90
00:25:07.560 hundreds of years to cross even a small part of Africa. Never mind those huge distances.
00:25:14.140 So, we're actually probably looking at a genetic mutation period of maybe half that time,
00:25:21.600 maybe 50,000 years, maybe 60,000 years. So, what you're trying to tell me is that the out of Africa
00:25:28.940 theory means that some form of homo habilis, some form of semi-ape thing sort of jumped out of the
00:25:34.980 trees, ran across the plains of Africa, ran into Asia, ran over the Alps into Europe and within 50,000
00:25:44.440 years evolved into Nordics, evolved into mongoloid racial types, evolved into the various specific 0.66
00:25:50.820 racial types that we have today. And I just can't see it. I just cannot see it. And for me, 1.00
00:25:58.680 the killer argument against that theory is, of course, the existence of racial differences.
00:26:06.100 Because that theory relies on a belief that environment causes genetic mutations, i.e. Europeans
00:26:17.200 have light skins because they live in the cold north and they need to absorb much more sunlight.
00:26:24.020 And that's why they've got light eyes and light hair and I don't know what else.
00:26:27.680 And that Africans are black because they live in the deep, hot, deep south of the southern hemisphere 1.00
00:26:35.920 where it's very dark and very hot all the time so you don't need to absorb a lot of vitamin D and 0.85
00:26:41.580 that's why they've got dark skins and all this type of stuff. My problem with that theory is that
00:26:46.000 the Asians, the mongoloids, well, they're different, and of course they are generalizing now because 1.00
00:26:52.000 there are different subgroups amongst them as well. But they all live in the northern hemisphere as well.
00:26:57.680 And if the north-south division theory holds true, which is a critical part of the out-of-Africa 0.77
00:27:05.920 theory, if the north-south genetic mutation theory holds true, all people living in the northern
00:27:14.160 hemisphere should look the same because they are subjected to the same environmental influences.
00:27:19.920 Right.
00:27:21.920 Harsh winters, relatively warm, sometimes moderate summers, back into a harsh winter.
00:27:28.160 But of course they don't. You'll find that people living on the same latitude or longitude,
00:27:34.160 whichever it is, the ones that run horizontally across the globe. I can't even recall which one
00:27:38.720 it is now. God, advanced dementia. You'll find that people living in the same geographic spread
00:27:45.200 look very different. And if the environment was the cause of genetic mutations, they should all look the
00:27:51.120 same. But we've also had some interesting, white people have had interesting migrations. I know
00:27:57.440 some of this is probably obviously later, but we had, you know, European mummies in China,
00:28:01.520 we have white Indians in America, white chachapoyas of Peru, the Canary Islands, Easter. I mean, 1.00
00:28:06.960 it's just really all over the place where you see, you know, white civilizations and then they've just 0.90
00:28:11.520 mysteriously disappeared. But we seem to have been everywhere at one point. But you include a mural
00:28:17.280 in your book of a white prisoner being sacrificed by Chichen Itza warriors, you know. So is it far
00:28:22.240 fetched to say maybe there have been, you know, white genocides in the past?
00:28:28.560 Yes, I'm absolutely convinced of it. Depending on how you define white genocides. For example, 1.00
00:28:37.120 the Tarim Basin mummies, which is the the Indo-European group that got to Western China, the Gobi Desert,
00:28:44.080 they were genocided out, not through physical extermination, but certainly through
00:28:50.720 mixing with the locals. The people of the Tarim Basin to this day speak Turkic, they don't speak
00:28:56.800 Chinese. And you can see the actual physical countenance is clearly a mix between Chinese and
00:29:04.240 European. Now, the whole, the whole, it's still all very much up for debate. And it's made more
00:29:10.320 difficult by the establishment's refusal to investigate the full extent of who were the
00:29:18.480 original North and South Americans. The very basic evidence that we have now indicates that there was
00:29:26.240 certainly a European presence of some sort. It's very difficult to say exactly whether it was a dominant
00:29:34.000 presence or whether it was an interlobe presence, but it was, there's certainly more than enough
00:29:39.920 evidence to indicate that this was. The Chichen Itza sacrifices that you're talking about, I think
00:29:47.920 those were probably just Canary Island washovers who managed to, who were caught in the cross current,
00:29:55.600 the same one that took Columbus to that part of the world. And they ended up in, in what is today,
00:30:01.040 modern Mexico. And they certainly probably got sacrificed for the, for the, for their trouble.
00:30:07.360 I'm not sure one can go as far as saying that those were huge numbers of whites who were genocided.
00:30:13.840 But as I said, all that speculation, we don't know. If one day perhaps there is a reordering of
00:30:21.520 governments and society, which will allow proper investigation of these things, which will allow
00:30:27.360 proper analysis of ancient remains in North America and Central America, which as I'm sure
00:30:33.440 you know, is currently forbidden by law, the NAGRA, the law which George Bush brought in,
00:30:40.080 forbidding anyone except Indian, American Indians from claiming ancient, ancient remains on the
00:30:46.320 presumption that they are Mongoloid origin. If that gets reversed and we're able to start doing,
00:30:52.160 for example, what I'd really love to do, what would really be interesting, for example, would be to
00:30:55.680 investigate the graves around the Nevada cliff dwellings.
00:30:58.960 Oh yeah.
00:30:59.760 That would be really interesting to have a look at the skeletal and find out what DNA we could extract
00:31:05.040 from the tooth enamel of, of, of graves in that area. Because the, the Nevada cliff dwellings,
00:31:12.080 for example, are so un-Indian that it simply isn't true. They're, they're particularly European-looking 0.99
00:31:19.120 cliff dwellings. And they're just not replicated anywhere else in the entire North American continent.
00:31:25.760 So that would indicate that they, that was built by people different from the American Indians. But
00:31:31.200 until the political climate changes, I don't think we're going to be able to make any final call on that.
00:31:37.520 That's unfortunate. I wanted to go back to an idea we were talking about, colonizers. Now,
00:31:43.040 in your opinion, you know, we always hear that Europeans, they were also fleeing to find better
00:31:47.760 conditions. So was it wrong for them to abandon Europe and go somewhere else? Should they have stayed
00:31:52.880 there and fought hard for their continent?
00:31:56.240 Well, the age of exploration and the age of European colonization, Europe wasn't under a direct
00:32:02.240 threat at that stage of the agreement. The, the great European, non-European invasions had all been 0.98
00:32:07.920 more or less defeated by the time of the age of exploration and the age of colonization.
00:32:13.600 And yes, you can see it. For example, it's no coincidence that Christopher Columbus was sent
00:32:20.080 off to discover the Americas. He didn't know he was discovering the Americas, of course. But he was
00:32:25.040 sent off across the Atlantic in the same year that the Moors were finally driven out of Spain, 0.99
00:32:30.080 1492. That's no coincidence. The Turks had been, the Ottoman, the Muslims had been defeated at the
00:32:38.320 gates of Vienna in 1683. And they were being pushed back all the time. So it's no coincidence that the,
00:32:45.600 that the, that the European colonization process started once the great non-European invasions of
00:32:51.920 Europe had been defeated and turned back and were being driven back. So I don't think it's accurate to
00:32:57.200 say that, that they were fleeing anything. It was just the natural European inquisitiveness.
00:33:03.280 They knew where India was and they were looking for a better place to, to, or quicker way to get
00:33:07.840 to India. And that was probably more of an economic motivation. If anybody did flee Europe,
00:33:16.800 it was probably to escape feudalism. It was probably to, probably for economic, economic reasons.
00:33:22.800 So, you know, most of the early homesteaders who came to the US, they, you know, unless you were born 0.98
00:33:29.840 into privilege and wealth in Europe, you basically had no chance of acquiring land or property of your
00:33:35.680 own. In this regard, I'm reminded of what Thomas Jefferson wrote about, he warned America about
00:33:42.240 building cities. And he said, a very famous quote, and he said, no, we can't build cities because we
00:33:48.080 will soon become as heaped up with each, upon each other and become as corrupt as the Europeans. 1.00
00:33:56.480 He warned against cities. It would have been more ideal to keep America a more rural place,
00:34:01.440 I think. Oh, I agree. I definitely agree. Yeah, no, it suddenly struck me of, I think it was the
00:34:06.400 Roman historian Terence, or was it Virgin? I think it was Terence. He wrote about Rome in the year
00:34:14.400 200 or 200-something, he wrote, Rome, that metropolis to which all evil things in the world are drawn.
00:34:24.080 Nature of cities hasn't changed much. Have you explored much of Scandinavia and some of the
00:34:29.280 mounds up there? It's amazing how they don't do any digging around Scandinavia. It's just like it's
00:34:33.520 not allowed. They don't want people to know about their Nordic heritage up there.
00:34:37.040 Very much so, very much. Unfortunately, that's not only limited to Scandinavia. Scandinavia is great.
00:34:45.040 The last time I was in Malmo in Sweden, I was really disappointed because Malmo is becoming,
00:34:49.040 as you know, a hellhole now. But yes, you're right. Unfortunately, that anti-Nordicism is not
00:34:55.440 limited to Scandinavia. I'm sure you're aware of the discoveries made by a Canadian archaeologist
00:35:04.240 a year or two ago, who found another Viking settlement in Canada. And she was, I forget
00:35:12.160 her name or fan, but she was just sacked from her job. The Canadian government withdrew all her
00:35:16.240 subsidies. She had all her paper seized. It was unbelievable. Quite incredible. So, you know,
00:35:22.880 this goes in line with everything I'm saying about the political climate. Unfortunately, you're allowed to
00:35:31.200 be black conscious. You're allowed to be Hispanic conscious. You're allowed to be American Indian 0.98
00:35:36.400 conscious. You're allowed to have a black caucus. You're allowed to have a black history month.
00:35:40.480 You're allowed to have a Jewish history month. You're allowed to have American Indian history month.
00:35:44.480 But God help you, if you have a white history month, then you're just a racist. 0.58
00:35:48.720 Well, we just have to do it and not care about what people say. 0.81
00:35:51.760 Well, I think that's the stage where it's come from. I was greatly amused to see a recent Ramsey
00:35:59.280 Paul video where we finally addressed the issue of being labeled, where you said, look, people actually
00:36:06.960 just don't care about the label. The label's now so used. If you say anything, you just get accused of it.
00:36:13.200 You know, if you say, well, Israel, why does the Jewish lobby in America object to Donald Trump
00:36:22.080 suggesting that they build a wall on the border with Mexico, whereas Israel's got a huge wall
00:36:27.520 around it. So it's good in Israel, but it's bad in America. And their only answer is, oh, anti-Semite,
00:36:32.960 anti-Semite. And, you know, it doesn't work anymore. I don't think anyone cares anymore.
00:36:36.880 No. By the way, Ramsey Paul, we're friends and he said to tell you that he loved your book. So it's
00:36:41.520 funny that you bring him up because he asked me to say hi. Oh, well, that's great. I've never
00:36:48.080 actually spoken to him. I was actually trying to try and get older. No, I was watching his latest or
00:36:52.640 one I presume is one of his latest videos, how to beat anti-Semitism. I think that's a very good
00:36:58.960 video to watch. Very, very good video. Now, you made a good point I wanted to come back to,
00:37:03.920 because a lot of people worry about, you know, the European population. But there's more Europeans
00:37:08.880 alive today than ever in history, right? We've gone through massive, you know, population losses
00:37:13.920 in the past. So your idea is that we don't have to be so worried about that. It's not as dire as we
00:37:19.760 think, right? Well, it is on the face of it. I wrote a book called Nova Europa, which you might or might
00:37:28.480 not be familiar with. And I made this exact point. I said, it's ironic that although there's never been
00:37:35.200 as many Europeans alive ever in history as there are today, in reality, we've never been so close to
00:37:42.960 extermination as we are today. Because each time in history where there's been a collapse, Egypt, 0.83
00:37:54.560 Mesopotamia, Sumeria, so on and so forth, each time when there has been a collapse, there's always
00:37:59.840 been a white heartland which has been able to provide a new wave of European gene pool, a new wave 0.67
00:38:07.600 of explorers, settlers, this type of thing. We're reaching the stage now where all of our, most of
00:38:15.440 our heartlands are now being actually taken over. And if Europe should fall, and I must tell you that I'm
00:38:23.520 quite pessimistic about Western Europe, if Western Europe should fall, there's actually not that many
00:38:30.320 places left over. So no, you're right, we do have very large numbers. But unfortunately, we are probably
00:38:37.840 in the most dire situation that we've probably ever been in before. And once again, it's largely, largely
00:38:47.280 Europeans' fault, I'm sorry to say. Yeah. If I look, let me, let me, let's use Germany as an example,
00:38:56.080 right? Now, I know there's lots of, lots of causes of this, and I, we, that's a separate topic. But
00:39:02.320 let's look at the, let's look at Germany today. All right, they've had, they say they've had 1.2
00:39:07.520 million, quote, refugees, unquote, come into Germany. It's a lot more than that, because they don't even 0.93
00:39:12.800 know how many have come in. It's, it's, it's an absurd situation. Apart from the fact that they're
00:39:17.120 not refugees at all, because they've all left Turkey, which is a safe country. Anyway, they've 1.00
00:39:21.920 all poured into Germany now, and the Germans are trying to cope with them. They're raping, rampaging, 1.00
00:39:28.400 criminal rampage through, through Germany and through the surrounding countries. They bombed Paris, 0.99
00:39:34.720 they bombed Brussels. It's just mad what's going on. It's absolutely insane. And you would have thought
00:39:40.960 anyone who had half a brain cell, not even half a brain, but half a brain cell, would say,
00:39:48.640 whoa, this is a bad idea. This is a really bad idea. And they would vote for someone who would say,
00:39:53.680 right, no, end, end this. No, not having any more of this. We're going to, we're going to throw this
00:39:58.040 lot out. They can all go back and, you know, we're going to be humanitarian about it. We'll help them
00:40:02.200 in their countries. We'll stop backing the, the rebels and, in so-called rebels in, in Syria. And we'll
00:40:07.200 stop the war in Syria by backing Assad and the good guys in Syria. We'll crush ISIS that way. We
00:40:13.200 won't arm them and supply them under the guise of being moderate rebels. And we'll make sure we'll
00:40:18.080 help them rebuild Syria in, the Syrian cities in Syria. We won't invite them all to come here and 1.00
00:40:23.920 smash our place. So now you would have think that would have been the logical, consequential,
00:40:28.880 anyone, anyone normal would say that. So what they do, they have elections in Germany.
00:40:34.880 And wow, 30% of them, or 28, 25% of them vote for the Alternative for Deutschland, the, the
00:40:42.080 alternative for Germany, which between you and me, and pardon the language, it's a real half-assed
00:40:47.360 party. I mean, they, they gathered that. They, well, no, they're saying the right things,
00:40:52.560 but they don't, they don't, they're not saying things which need to be said. Basically,
00:40:56.400 what needs to be said is, well, no, that's it. Stopping immigration and all non-white immigrants 1.00
00:41:01.280 out. You can go back to your countries. Well, they don't want to look like Nazis, 0.99
00:41:03.920 right? They're the alternatives to the right. Well, who, who, who, but they don't even believe
00:41:07.760 it. They, they actually, they actually expelled some, some, a branch in, somewhere in, somewhere
00:41:13.600 outside Frankfurt, I think it was, which actually struck a local election deal with the NDP.
00:41:19.760 They actually expelled them because they dared had a, have an alliance with, with, with,
00:41:25.120 with the NDP, which is saying the things which, which need to be done. Anyway, the point being
00:41:29.200 that only 25 percent of, of the voters in those three areas, the three states which voted recently,
00:41:35.840 dared vote for the NDP, which means that 65 percent or 75 percent of voters still voted for the parties
00:41:45.360 who are bringing all the, all the invasion in. Now, that's a really worrying figure. That's a really
00:41:51.920 worry. Well, it's only worrying if you, if you, if you, if you, if you're unlike me,
00:41:56.160 uh, uh, because I've crossed the psychological Rubicon and I'll explain what that, what I mean
00:42:00.800 by that in a second. That's really worrying if you think, wow, anyone in their right mind would
00:42:05.520 say, no, we need to stop this. And you know what? You look at the Front National in France. The Front
00:42:10.640 National has also watered down its, its, its policies a lot, but even they struggled to get more
00:42:16.800 than 35 percent of the vote, which means that 60 percent of Frenchmen, and that's why they keep 1.00
00:42:22.560 on losing when they have the runoffs in the, in the, uh, in the presidential elections. That's why
00:42:27.680 the Depends keep on losing the runoffs. They come second and then all the communists, the conservatives,
00:42:33.920 the liberals and the communists all gang together and all of a sudden they, they one party and they
00:42:38.080 vote for the other people. And it's the same thing over and over and over again. So I'm, while I agree
00:42:44.160 with you that there are lots and lots of Europeans alive today, sadly we're, there's still what 0.99
00:42:52.080 appears to be a majority of them still don't know or understand what is going on. Now we can take
00:42:59.200 two approaches to this. One approach we can take is say, yes, well, we need to, um, alert them and
00:43:03.920 wake them up. You know, we just need to reach them, tell them the truth and the truth will make them
00:43:08.560 free, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. Well, yeah. Okay. Let's just say that I've tried that and
00:43:15.040 I've found that I've found that most people have formed their opinions and facts have very little
00:43:24.080 to do with how they, how they reach their, their opinions. Um, a lot of it's driven on emotion,
00:43:30.080 a lot of it's driven on personality, a lot of it's driven on, on, on a number of other factors,
00:43:35.920 basically any other, any other factor except the facts. So while we can, whatever we say can be
00:43:42.880 true, unless you can motivate a large number of people, and there's only been a few periods in
00:43:47.920 history where that's actually been done. I don't have to mention which ones they are. Um, a lot of
00:43:53.760 people, most people are motivated, not, not by facts. So that's a real problem. I, having said that,
00:44:02.240 I'm not pessimistic over the future of the European people or the white race per se. Um,
00:44:08.880 the reason for that is that I think, although we have large numbers, ever, ever, larger numbers than
00:44:16.480 ever before, I think we're going to go into a population bottleneck simply because our large 1.00
00:44:22.480 numbers have upbred the stupid class amongst Europeans, that there are now more degenerate, 1.00
00:44:28.800 stupid, brain-dead Europeans than ever before. And I think nature is, nature is remorseless with it. 1.00
00:44:38.640 Nature isn't immoral. Nature is amoral. Nature doesn't say this is right or wrong. Nature says,
00:44:44.000 these are the rules, live by them or die. And I think those Europeans who are incapable of understanding 1.00
00:44:51.280 the laws of nature will die. Yep. And I don't think we, we can do anything about that. But what 1.00
00:44:56.720 I do think is that as long as we who understand it take the necessary steps to secure a geographic
00:45:05.120 area which is homogenous and which can then serve as an attraction point for Europeans who understand
00:45:13.920 what it is all about, then even if we're substantially reduced, even if we're reduced by 80 percent,
00:45:21.360 our core will remain solid and anything is possible once all the white liberals vanish, 0.78
00:45:27.760 which they will vanish as well. So I was thinking in terms of ethnostates really a luxury or a big 0.94
00:45:33.600 dream at this point? No, I don't think so. I think, um, I think it's going to come about naturally.
00:45:40.240 I think, uh, white flight is, is an, is, is an inadvertent, uh, acknowledgement of the,
00:45:46.480 of the reality of that principle. Um, it's not that people say, oh, white flight's just racism.
00:45:51.760 No, it's not racism. It's simply because whites simply can't live in third world standards. 0.93
00:45:56.640 I think that the concept of ethnostates will come about and I think it'll come about sooner than 0.96
00:46:02.080 what many people think. I think the developments in Eastern Europe are going to, um, come about
00:46:08.080 within the next couple of decades. Now, do you see people moving to a different area or,
00:46:13.040 or should they stay where they're at? If someone's Swedish, shouldn't they stay in Sweden and fight 1.00
00:46:16.720 for that land? Yeah, it's, that's a real difficult, it's easier for me to say having moved around
00:46:24.240 a lot. At the same time, you need people to watch your back, right? You need your, your tribe of people.
00:46:28.720 You need the, it's all, it's all good and well to, to sit and say, yes, I'm standing my ground and
00:46:33.920 you're on the, you're in, in, um, Los Angeles and you're standing your ground and next minute there
00:46:39.760 is only you and five other, five other Europeans left. You can stand your ground as long as you want 0.97
00:46:44.960 to, then you can be murdered for, for your principles. Uh, or you can do like what, like what's
00:46:51.360 happening in South Africa. You, the, the people can say, yeah, we're never leaving the Transvaal,
00:46:56.720 the Orange Free State, that's the traditional Boer Republics, that's our home. Yeah, you can do that. 0.99
00:47:01.920 Uh, or you can move to Irania where you actually are not going to be murdered instantly. You might
00:47:07.760 have to defend it eventually. I'm sure you'll have to defend it eventually. Of that, there's no doubt.
00:47:12.720 But, uh, you can, you can, you can stand and be murdered for your principles or you can move
00:47:17.280 somewhere else where you can generate the seed of a new revival. And it's going to take hard work.
00:47:23.920 And I think some people don't want to do that. They don't want to take the, make the sacrifices
00:47:28.240 and have to start over somewhere else, but that's what it's going to take. We're going to have to be
00:47:31.600 pioneers once again. Absolutely. Absolutely. And if you think it can't be done, think of your ancestors
00:47:38.320 who did it over and over again. America was created by those people. I mean, the, the, the,
00:47:44.560 the people who arrived in early America, what, what did they arrive with? They arrived with
00:47:49.520 a few, few tools, which they brought, brought across. And that was it. They were dumped down
00:47:54.400 on the, on the East Coast. And man, that was it. They had to get on with it. They had to move out.
00:47:58.960 They had to build their own houses. They had to build their own wagons. They had to
00:48:03.840 start eventually, eventually start building their own weapons. They had to do everything from scratch.
00:48:09.200 No, we can do it. It's easy. It's easy to do it. Much, much more, much more difficult to get the
00:48:15.520 willpower to do it. Now, how that's, this is always the question, how do we appeal to the white 0.77
00:48:21.600 masses if the facts and the hard hitting truth isn't working? I mean, what's it going to take to
00:48:26.640 reach those people? I mean, it seems like they respond to things like entertainment and superficial
00:48:31.520 pop culture, right? You're, you're asking the wrong person to, to, to answer what, what appeals
00:48:38.080 to the masses. I, I, I'm, I've, I have crossed what I mentioned earlier, a psychological Rubicon.
00:48:46.720 When I was younger and I was first involved in this, this craziness called the movement, I believe,
00:48:53.200 all we have to do is tell people what's going on. Yeah, they'll say, oh yes, of course, I understand
00:48:57.920 who controls the media. I understand. Oh yes, racial demographics. Of course, I couldn't, 0.92
00:49:02.800 I, why didn't I see this? And I saw this in South Africa, you know. Um, you would explain to people
00:49:08.160 that having a, a black maid and a black gardener and a cook boy and a, one, let me, let me tell you 1.00
00:49:14.960 about, about the house in which I was raised in, in Southern Rhodesia. We had a, a cook boy, black. 0.85
00:49:21.600 We had a ironing boy who would do all the ironing. We had a garden boy and we had a house boy.
00:49:28.160 So we had, we had four and their wives and all their Picaninnis. I mean, when I think about it 1.00
00:49:33.120 now, and this is normal for white colonists in Africa, I must tell you, they had virtually, virtually 0.96
00:49:39.200 an entire tribe living with you. Yeah. It was incredible. Um, and it's still happening today
00:49:46.240 because they still don't understand, you know, everyone talks about the white farmers being murdered
00:49:49.520 in South Africa and it is a tragedy. Don't, don't get me wrong. It's terrible. I hate reading about it.
00:49:53.520 But you know, how many times haven't, haven't I, I spoke at a, at a Transworld Agricultural
00:49:59.120 Union meeting in 1991 in Pretoria and I told them that, that the die was cast and ANC government 0.94
00:50:08.480 was coming and what they needed to do quickly was mechanize, get rid of all their black laborers 1.00
00:50:14.240 and they needed it for security and for land claim purposes. They're going to, they're going 0.94
00:50:20.320 to cause, they're going to have trouble. If they've got, as they do, even to this day,
00:50:25.200 hundreds of black laborers on their farms, it's just going to cause trouble with crime. It's going 1.00
00:50:29.280 to cause problem with land claims, all that type of stuff. Anyway, of course, they ignored me. Some
00:50:34.000 of them even booed me. They said, oh no, you know, uh, Philemon's been working on my farm for
00:50:38.880 him and his family for the last hundred years. You know, even the family, they, they'll never do
00:50:42.960 anything to us, blah, blah, blah. When you're living on a farm and you're outnumbered by your black 1.00
00:50:49.440 farm workers 200 to 1, you're asking for trouble. You're absolutely asking, asking for trouble. So, 0.96
00:50:57.280 people who fail to understand that demographics controls everything, uh, you can take a horse to
00:51:06.560 water, but you can't make a drink. You can lay out all the facts to them and if they don't, if they
00:51:11.120 refuse to accept it as a reality, there's nothing more you can do. And this is where I passed my
00:51:16.960 psychological Rubicon. I used to believe that if I just explained all of this to everyone, they'd say,
00:51:22.560 oh yes, of course. How could we be the stupid? You're right, Arthur. We'll quickly support you. 1.00
00:51:28.240 We'll vote for whatever party you tell us to vote for and everything will be alright. Of course, they
00:51:32.320 don't. Absolutely don't. And eventually, after many, many years, after maybe 25, 30 years of activism,
00:51:41.840 I thought, well, either, either I'm, either I'm crazy and deluded or they are. One of the two. And I
00:51:49.840 like to think that I'm not, so therefore they are. And then it suddenly struck me. People who are going
00:51:58.240 to die will die no matter what you tell them. I'm, I'm reminded of a speech by Hitler, if I'm allowed 0.96
00:52:05.680 to mention Hitler. Of course. Um, uh, uh, if I, uh, if I, uh, if I, uh, if I, uh, if I, uh, if I, uh, if I, uh,
00:52:09.520 what, uh, a speech that Hitler gave once, he said,
00:52:12.640 do you not imagine that a nation of 60 million cannot die? All it has to do is decide to die
00:52:23.440 and it will. He was talking about Germany, of course. Um, and that's a very valid thing. If 0.99
00:52:30.400 people refuse to, if people decide not to ignore racial reality, if they decide to ignore lessons
00:52:38.640 of history and demographics and race, then they will die. That's a conscious decision 1.00
00:52:43.600 they're going to take. What, and so I've switched my approach completely. I no longer attempt to win
00:52:49.920 over the masses for a great revolution. My approach now is to recruit as many as I can
00:52:57.280 to the understanding of what it's going to take, uh, consolidate them in geographic area, stroke areas,
00:53:06.640 and generate a new, uh, resource, a new gene pool for something that can happen in the future.
00:53:16.320 That's right. Quality, not quantity, right? More of a eugenic approach here. 1.00
00:53:20.480 That is right. I mean, honestly, sometimes when you look around at whites around you, 0.75
00:53:24.560 do you really even want to live with them? Ah, no, no. Ah, well, this is it, you know. I don't,
00:53:29.920 I, a hundred years of, of, or maybe not a hundred, maybe 60, 70 years of social welfare dependency
00:53:37.600 in Britain has created a huge white underclass, which, God forbid, I would, I prefer to live in, 1.00
00:53:44.240 in, in, in Thailand rather than live with the British under, with the white British underclass. 0.79
00:53:50.240 Um, and I'm, that's the same everywhere. And that's not knocking, knocking everybody in,
00:53:54.800 in, in, but everyone knows what I'm talking about. You get degenerate whites and I just 1.00
00:53:59.040 wouldn't want to live with them any more than anyone else. And no, I'm, I'm, I'm convinced that 0.98
00:54:04.720 we can recruit enough, um, people to restart again somewhere else, you know. But the critical thing
00:54:13.600 is the geographic area. I'm not even worried about the numbers. The critical thing is the geographic area.
00:54:19.040 Let me give you an example of what I'm, sorry, I'm talking so much, but. No, it's great. That's why
00:54:23.280 you're here. Let me, let me give you an example of what I'm talking about with numbers, all right. We,
00:54:29.120 people say, oh, how many people do you need in an ethnic state to make it, to make it viable? Not 0.87
00:54:34.720 actually that many. Um, there's a, there is a NASA, NASA, uh, uh, project called, uh, the Hyperion,
00:54:47.040 I think it's called Hyperion, um, where they plan into, they, it's a theoretical thing. Of course,
00:54:54.320 NASA's on its last legs, but, uh, it's a theoretical group of scientists and, and, and, uh, people
00:55:00.960 planning for interplanetary travel, what it would take to travel interplanetary. And with current
00:55:07.120 propulsion systems, they say, well, you know, to get to the nearest solar system, if they should ever
00:55:11.680 send a rocket out there with people in there to colonize a new planet, how many people would they
00:55:16.080 have to send to make a genetically viable planet? Um, you know, to colonize, to set up,
00:55:22.160 what, what they've done is they've, they've calculated, they've used geneticists, they've
00:55:26.160 calculated if they had to send a certain number of people to another planet without any additional
00:55:33.360 genetic input from Earth, how many people would they have to send to create a genetically viable 0.55
00:55:39.760 colony where they would, which would not be afflicted by the problems of inbreeding?
00:55:43.760 Mm-hmm. Okay, have I made myself clear?
00:55:46.000 Mm-hmm. Yes.
00:55:46.720 Um, so, and the, the, the answer which, which, which, which came up was quite, quite amazing. Um,
00:55:55.360 and it is, it is really, it is really, I'm just going to actually put it up here because it's
00:55:59.280 actually well worth, well worth, well worth reading. Um, the, the answer is, is quite, quite incredible.
00:56:06.000 You would think that you would need, you know, millions at least. In actual fact, not. Um,
00:56:13.120 they worked it out, the Dr. Cameron Smith, he was an, he is an anthropologist and prehistorian at
00:56:18.800 Portland State University in Oregon. He compiled the report in question, and I am right, it is called
00:56:24.800 Project Hyperion. People can look it up. Um, his report, which he compiled and handed in to them,
00:56:31.360 uh, said that the number of people which you would need to create a genetically viable colony on,
00:56:39.360 on another planet, would, you could create it with between 14,000 and 40,000 people.
00:56:45.120 Huh. Okay. Well, that's encouraging. That is. He says, yeah, I'm quoting from his report,
00:56:52.960 a safe and well-considered figure is 40,000 for an interstellar migration population composed of an
00:57:00.960 effective population of 23,400 reproductive male and females, the rest being pre- or post-reproductive
00:57:08.400 individuals. This number would maintain good health over five generations despite a increased
00:57:15.920 inbreeding resulting from a relatively small human population, b depressed genetic diversity due to
00:57:22.400 the founder effect, c demographic change through time, and d expectation of at least one severe
00:57:30.400 population catastrophe over the five generation voyage. So there you go. Um, I mean, that's an extreme
00:57:38.240 example, but the truth is, if you think about it logically and you think of the original founding
00:57:43.520 European population, um, you'll see that probably the Europe, the original founding population of
00:57:49.840 all Europeans, all of them, is probably not, not more than a few hundred thousand. So no, I'm not
00:57:55.440 worried about the grand scheme of things. I think we are going to lose in the coming racial bottleneck 1.00
00:58:02.400 because they simply are, they simply don't understand or don't want to understand what's happening.
00:58:07.200 I think we're going to lose huge numbers and we're going to be compressed geographically. We're going
00:58:12.560 to lose a lot of territory. But I think if, if we, we have the advantage now of having an understanding
00:58:20.480 of race, history, demographics, if we are reduced down to a few million who have this understanding,
00:58:28.400 we will survive. And I'm sure we will create a huge resurgence later on in a generation of two's time.
00:58:36.800 I suppose too, you'd want to recruit people who are very technological and maybe work in weaponry,
00:58:42.560 right? Yeah, that goes by the by. The other, the other angle about ethnostates is people say,
00:58:48.560 oh, well, the Jewish lobby won't let you do it, or, or America will bomb you or whatever. 0.79
00:58:53.680 However, the, the counter argument to that is, of course, um, is Mexico a world power?
00:59:00.880 That's my question to you. Just say yes or no. No. All right. Why isn't Mexico a world power?
00:59:07.200 Well, because it's a third world population. Because it's full of Mexicans, right? Now, 1.00
00:59:11.440 when, when, when America fills up with Mexicans, will America be a world power? No. 1.00
00:59:18.000 I can't imagine Mexicans keeping those B-17 bombers going and all the, the, the missiles and all that 1.00
00:59:26.240 type of stuff. Yeah, they don't have a space program in Mexico, so no. Well, there you go. There you go. So,
00:59:32.080 you understand that the demographic change that we're talking about is so immense, people don't
00:59:36.960 grasp the vastness of it, of what is coming, providing it isn't reversed. I must add that
00:59:42.480 I'm always, obviously, my first choice is that it, that it's reversed, that, that there's a populist
00:59:47.200 political victory somewhere and that it's reversed. That's the first choice, obviously. But I just like
00:59:51.520 to plan for Plan B, just in case. Um, but the, if it goes as it appears to be going, the racial demographic
01:00:01.200 change is going to be so vast that the geopolitical order, which we know today is going to be turned
01:00:07.280 on its head. Yes. Yep. And that could, we could use that actually to our benefit in the future.
01:00:12.480 Absolutely. There isn't going to be a great big policeman in America saying, oh, no, you can't
01:00:17.920 have an ethnostate in Eastern Europe, or no, you can't have an ethnostate in Oregon, or no, you can't
01:00:23.760 have an ethnostate wherever. Because there ain't, there ain't going to be no big American policemen. 0.64
01:00:28.880 Yeah. There's going, there's going to be a second stroke, third world shambles.
01:00:34.880 And they, they'll be too busy fighting over the scraps or who owns the palace to want to worry
01:00:39.760 about what a few million Europeans are doing on the other side of the planet or on the other side
01:00:43.920 of the continent. I think that's why it's good what you're saying. We need to be planning for the
01:00:47.840 future and start building something that people can come to in the future, because it's inevitable.
01:00:52.240 This is going to fall. We're watching it fall. So it, we shouldn't be so concerned with all the
01:00:57.440 how's and the who's, but more of like, what are we going to do about it now, right?
01:01:02.480 That's, that's the critical thing. The ethnostate idea, and it's ironic in the extreme. I mean, 0.67
01:01:10.160 as you know, the ethnostate idea has been around for a long time. In fact, the first ethnost,
01:01:15.360 the first ethnostate theorist was, of course, Theodor Herzl. Zionism is just nothing but Jewish 0.89
01:01:21.680 ethnostatism. Yeah. And he drew that up in 1896. The next ethnostate project was, of course,
01:01:30.080 National Socialist Germany, and that was destroyed. And after that, it's basically been put on the
01:01:36.480 back burner, or Japan is probably a good example of a functioning ethnostate. They're coming under 0.85
01:01:42.800 increasing pressure. China is, Pakistan is, India is. They've all got laws which encourage Indian, 1.00
01:01:50.880 Pakistani, Chinese, Japanese immigration only. So therefore, they could be, in the broader sense
01:01:55.520 of the word, they could be called ethnostates. But apart from that, apart from Israel, the, the only other
01:02:03.600 near ethnostate project to date has been the Orania people in South Africa, and the Pioneer Little
01:02:16.400 Europe movement, which emerged in the 1990s, I should think. I mean, all that I've been trying
01:02:22.720 to do with my Nova Europa book and my little website and that is just to try to popularize the idea and
01:02:28.560 give it some practical impetus, that's all. But yes, no, we do need to be, to be planning for that.
01:02:35.200 Having said all of that, having said all of that, one must never abandon completely the possibility
01:02:42.640 that Europeans will wake up. If Europeans wake up, they can reverse everything overnight, literally. 1.00
01:02:48.880 It's, you know, the Europeans are so powerful, they just have to think that they can survive and they will. 1.00
01:02:53.680 So, just to invert what Hitler said earlier. And I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not yet completely convinced
01:03:03.440 that Austria isn't going to be the first country in Europe to, to rebel, formally. I mean, Hungary
01:03:09.840 already has. Hungary is a great country. If you ever, if you ever want to go and visit that country, it's a great
01:03:17.040 place to visit. Poland's great. The Czech Republic's great. The Slovakia is great. They, those are all
01:03:25.680 nations which have already, European Russia, Belorussia, those places, those are all nations
01:03:31.200 which have already seen and understood what's going on. And they are, are already nations with
01:03:38.080 firmly established infrastructures. And I'm not convinced that, that they won't come a revival from
01:03:44.720 that point of view. In this regard, you can watch what happens with the, uh, May the 22nd Austrian
01:03:50.320 presidential runoff, where the, uh, FPO stands a good chance of, of taking the presidency of Austria.
01:03:58.160 And that might spark off an FPO government, which the rest of Europe's going to go mad. The rest of
01:04:03.280 liberal Europe's going to go mad again. And who knows where, where that can lead. But just in case
01:04:08.560 that doesn't happen, we should have a plan B. And simultaneously have our people, have our people getting
01:04:14.240 into politics. I say this all the time. Where's our people? Where's our parties? Where's our watch
01:04:18.000 groups? We shouldn't abandon that either, right? Absolutely. I do think that was a great, uh, mistake
01:04:24.160 of the, um, post, uh, of the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s so-called movement in America of retreating and waiting
01:04:36.720 for the, the establishment to fall. And then the great Turner Diaries white liberation army would rise up and
01:04:43.840 seize power. Of course, it's just fantasy. Um, I think that people should have been out there
01:04:49.680 campaigning as hard as they could. Even if, even if you didn't win, you would have just racially 0.87
01:04:55.360 conscientized so many more people. You know, Donald, Donald Trump's the, the case in point. He hasn't
01:05:01.200 set out to racially conscientize anything. I think if anything, he's run, uh, um, incredibly multiracial 0.54
01:05:08.320 campaign that just, just talk, just saying one or two half sensible things has conscientized
01:05:15.040 millions of people. And that, you know, that shows what can be done under the right circumstances.
01:05:20.720 Meanwhile, in London, your first Muslim mayor, right? How's that going?
01:05:25.360 Well, that's only a shock for those who don't, who haven't been following the
01:05:30.320 immigration invasion into Europe. Um, people don't know Birmingham's had a Muslim mayor before.
01:05:35.440 Birmingham, Birmingham's, Birmingham's the second largest city. Uh, there's a black mayor of Bristol,
01:05:41.120 the town of Bristol. Um, oh no, that's, that's old hat. I mean, whites are an absolute minority 1.00
01:05:47.280 in London. Whites are an absolute minority in Birmingham. They're close to a minority in
01:05:52.720 Manchester. And those are your three biggest cities in Britain.
01:05:57.120 And people are celebrating becoming a minority over there, right? Meanwhile, 0.99
01:06:00.240 all the non-whites know that demographics matter most. They know that that's what it takes to win. 0.88
01:06:04.160 Well, they, they, there's an intrinsic understanding to that. And just getting back to what I was
01:06:10.160 saying earlier about people worried about what the Jewish lobby will say about, about an European
01:06:15.360 ethnostate. The Jewish lobby is only powerful as long as Europeans are in charge. For some peculiar 0.96
01:06:22.480 reason, and there has to be a reason for it, and I haven't yet had the time or the interest to fathom it,
01:06:28.160 but when countries swing majority non-white, the Jewish lobby loses its power.
01:06:32.800 Hmm. Um, so, and it's a very self-defeating thing, uh, for the Jewish lobby to encourage non-white 1.00
01:06:40.080 immigration because they will end up losing. Um, can, can, can you imagine, for example, 0.99
01:06:46.080 a Vicente Fox controlled US government in Washington DC, continuing to pump four billion dollars a year into
01:06:54.560 Israel. No. When they've got hundreds of millions of Hispanics on their, on their food stamps. 0.88
01:07:01.840 No, that's not going to happen. Israel's, Israel's funding is going to dry up.
01:07:06.320 The day that America collapses is the day Israel's funding dries up.
01:07:10.320 That's right. It's generally only white people that care about Israel.
01:07:13.360 Correct. Um, in fact, I'll go even further. I'd go and say that the non-white world is 1.00
01:07:18.960 probably inherently hostile to Israel because of the way Israel has treated the Palestinians.
01:07:23.760 So it's a very self-defeating thing. And that also, I think once, once that happens,
01:07:28.400 once the swing of that nature happens, it's also going to take the teeth out of the Jewish 0.98
01:07:33.600 lobby's ability to affect anything else anywhere as well.
01:07:37.360 I know we're getting ready to close here, but I wanted to ask you about one more thing.
01:07:41.520 You write about the third great race war, which is, you know, the Moors invading Europe. 0.74
01:07:46.480 How is it that Europeans have forgotten that we've fought off Arabs before? 1.00
01:07:52.080 That's a good question. I think, I think ultimately the
01:07:58.160 outcome of the Second World War has to be the biggest deciding factor in that.
01:08:03.440 I think prior to the Second World War and all the propaganda that has followed it,
01:08:08.240 I think most Europeans had an understanding of race and racial world issues. I think America
01:08:19.680 led the world before World War II in terms of eugenic research, certainly far more developed than
01:08:26.320 what anything the Germans had. And I think the advent of the Second World War and the propaganda
01:08:33.680 fallout from that war has caused the science of race to be completely suppressed.
01:08:40.240 And anyone who even raises the topic has been subjected to endless smears and attacks.
01:08:48.240 And at the same time, the communists, the Reds have had the long march through the institutions. 0.89
01:08:54.720 And with the result, people don't know anything about race anymore. I think that's the real reason. 0.86
01:08:59.200 They actually believe that importing the Middle East into Europe is going to make them 0.99
01:09:04.240 Europeans in a few years, instead of importing the chaos of the Middle East into Europe. 0.99
01:09:10.000 That's what they actually appear to believe. And as I said, I can only ascribe to the outcome
01:09:16.800 and the propaganda following the end of the Second World War.
01:09:19.200 Yeah, it just blows my mind. I mean, European women in Europe have been raped by non-white invading 1.00
01:09:25.280 hordes for a long time now, and now we're inviting back in some of these same bloodlines. It's pretty outrageous. 0.97
01:09:31.200 And they're doing the same thing, right?
01:09:34.000 That's it. Someone said to me just today, you actually made this exact point which you're making now,
01:09:41.680 is that the only people who appear to have changed appear to be the Europeans. Everyone else is acting true to form. 0.95
01:09:49.200 Which is really a sad thing to think about. But, as I said to you, if that's what they're going
01:09:54.560 to believe, and when all the facts are staring them in the face, well then that's what they're going
01:09:58.720 to believe. What we have to do, we have to step up our recruiting efforts and recruit as many people,
01:10:06.880 awaken as many people as possible to those who are receptive to the idea and make them understand
01:10:13.600 that great sacrifices are coming. But if they make the sacrifices, our future is assured.
01:10:20.720 What always drives me nuts, too, when I hear European people saying, well, we need to race mix. 0.90
01:10:24.480 You know, it's survival is about adapting to change, so we need to blend in. Have you heard that?
01:10:30.640 I've heard that, and much worse.
01:10:34.000 I've heard people say, yeah, well, there's nothing you can do about it.
01:10:36.960 The one thing, and this might tread on a listener's toes, and if it does, it's a case of
01:10:44.000 veritas odium parit, truth purchases hatred. The one thing that I have noticed is that
01:10:50.960 so-called white nationalist activists tend to be those with the fewest children.
01:10:58.160 Yeah, that's true.
01:10:58.880 And I think that's a serious issue, which unless all these activists run around saying 14 words and
01:11:06.880 preserve a future for our children, unless they themselves start living this out, everything becomes
01:11:13.200 pointless with our children.
01:11:14.320 That's true. That is absolutely right. Well, Arthur, I've really appreciated your time today. I'm
01:11:19.600 honored to have you here, and please tell everyone how they can buy your books. They
01:11:23.040 really need to help support you. I actually bought your complete volume of March of the Titans last
01:11:28.720 night, so I could have it digitally. Loving it. It's great to go back to you. I think people should
01:11:33.040 share it with their friends and family and children, but tell people how they can get your work.
01:11:37.840 Okay. Well, you can get March of the Titans on Amazon, of course. A great miracle of modern
01:11:44.880 modern marketing that website is. Or you can get a good spread of everything else that I do on
01:11:51.760 astarapublications.com. That is astara, as in goddess of the spring, astara, O-S-T-A-R-A,
01:12:01.280 publications.com, astarapublications, one word. And you'll basically get everything that you need to know there.
01:12:07.760 So does that mean you enjoy a lot of the Nordic pre-Christian traditions?
01:12:12.800 Yeah. Well, astara I chose because it symbolizes rebirth. You know, Easter, the celebration of
01:12:19.360 Easter, as we have it today, is taken from astara. And the goddess astara was the goddess of spring,
01:12:24.960 of new life. That's why she had the egg and the rabbit as her symbols, because the egg is the symbol of
01:12:32.320 fertility. And there's few animals more fertile and more reproductive than the rabbit. And that's
01:12:38.080 where the Easter bunny comes from. And that's where the Easter egg comes from. So I thought,
01:12:41.920 well, if I'm going to pick something which symbolizes what I feel, then it's going to be about
01:12:47.600 revival, rebirth, new life. Very nice. Well, thank you so much for your time
01:12:52.160 this evening. I really appreciate it. Lina, thanks so much for having me.