In this episode of Red Ice Radio, I speak with Craig Fitzgerald, a founding member of the National Anarchist Tribal Alliance of New York (NADY), about the nationalist anarchist movement and how it can solve a multitude of problems we re currently facing.
00:00:30.000This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.
00:01:00.000Intelligent and funny crowd you are, so a big hello to you.
00:01:02.800My guest today is Craig Fitzgerald, who is one of the founders of the National Anarchist Tribal Alliance of New York.
00:01:09.040What I really appreciate about Craig is that we can discuss not only anarchism, but also spiritualism, conspiracy, and suppressed history, which we will touch upon.
00:01:16.300We'll discuss the nationalist anarchist movement and how it can solve a multitude of problems we're currently facing.
00:01:22.180What makes up a nation? And why is culture, customs, value, and heritage important to a nation?
00:01:27.220What is encoded into our ethnic identity?
00:01:29.800Why is multiculturalism being forced by government into white countries?
00:01:34.000And why the heck are rabbis painting swastikas on temples?
00:01:36.700These are just a few of the things we'll be talking about, so stick around.
00:01:39.760Welcome, Craig. Thanks for being here.
00:01:43.940Pretty good. Well, first off, I have to congratulate yet another guest of mine who's managed to make it on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website.
00:01:50.820Congrats, Craig. You are a white supremacist.
00:01:54.420Am I on the Southern Poverty Law Center's website these days? Is NADA?
00:01:58.080I don't know. I don't know if we are, but I know I've been targeted by them for a long time for multiple associations before NADA.
00:02:08.680When I need to find interesting guests, I should just go to the SPLC website and check their intelligence reports for dangerous people,
00:02:13.720because I like all the people that they warn us about.
00:02:15.740Indeed. I have to say that I would agree with you.
00:02:20.160I've found many good folks through looking through that intelligence report, as the SPLC calls it.
00:02:30.320That's funny. Well, I'm invited you here today so we can discuss the nationalist anarchist movement,
00:02:34.740which many, one, have never heard about, two, believe it entails the state,
00:02:38.840and three, think that it's a Nazi ideology.
00:02:41.100So how about we begin by defining what a nation is?
00:02:45.740Well, nation comes from the word, its etymology, its root word is the Latin natio,
00:02:56.300and this root word, its meaning means that which has been born.
00:03:03.260And it is also the root word for the words natural, native, naval, things like that, nativity,
00:03:15.740et cetera. So you could see it has to do with things that have been born.
00:03:20.760So right off the bat, what is national, what is a nation, it's really people.
00:03:27.120People make up nations, and people are very connected to the land that they're from,
00:03:37.400you know, being native to a certain soil. And there's definitely something to that.
00:03:43.260It's not to say that people can't move around or anything like that and have new, you know,
00:03:48.040homelands and such. But there's a very organic, natural, holistic connection between people
00:03:56.880and the land. And I think that that's what true nationhood is, is the connection between people
00:04:02.380on the land. And so when we talk about nation, I believe it just to be the community, we the people,
00:04:09.940nothing more, not the state, and not arbitrary borders or anything like that.
00:04:14.580Exactly. I would say a nation is, it's made up of people in a region who share similar values and
00:04:19.340heritage, which it brings a natural order and harmony to the people who make up that region.
00:04:23.840So it has nothing to do with the state. Explain how the anarchist part comes in with nationalism,
00:04:29.540because this is not a statist, socialist, or fascist ideology.
00:04:33.980Well, basically anarchism comes from the Greek anarchos, which means no rulers, not no rules,
00:04:46.200not no government, not chaos, which is what many people think, that it has those meanings,
00:04:53.800but it means no rulers. So in many ways, I believe that translates also to another Greek word,
00:05:03.840or Greek-derived word, autarky, which means self-rule. And I believe that anarchism having no rulers
00:05:12.560means ultimately self-rule, an individual ruling themselves. So when we mix the words national
00:05:18.740anarchism, what we're talking about is we're talking about small enclaves of anarchists of
00:05:24.420different varieties. In an anarchist world, we're going to see a true diversity of communities,
00:05:32.840and that diversity would be ethnic, it would be racial, it would be religious, it would be economic,
00:05:40.120it would be social, etc. So different communities could be based on a number of things and different
00:05:49.680things, like I said, economic basis, or racial basis, or religious basis. And the sky's really
00:05:56.240the limit. Sexual orientation could be the basis, you name it. And so national anarchists are basically
00:06:03.640pan-anarchists in that sense, but maybe a little less hypocritical than some pan-anarchists,
00:06:10.460because we do include ethno-tribalist anarchism into this pan-anarchist worldview or milieu that we're
00:06:19.720speaking and fighting for. Yeah, and some nationalist anarchists, they are racial separatists,
00:06:25.120but we should get something straight here. The nationalist anarchist movement, it consists of
00:06:29.000many races who are interested in preserving their ethnic and ancestral lineage and heritage. So
00:06:33.620they're not interested in healing other races because of some superiority complex, yet they
00:06:38.180acknowledge that we are different, and that's okay, and we can be separate and still get along in
00:06:42.980peace, correct? Correct. And even further than that, the national anarchist movement isn't just for
00:06:52.200white nationalists and white separatists. There's all different racial separatists involved with
00:06:59.520national anarchism. Just like there's NADA, the group that I'm involved with, the National Anarchist
00:07:05.520Tribal Alliance, we're not a racial separatist group at all. We have members of all different races and
00:07:10.620creeds and ethnic national backgrounds. Our nationalism comes from more of like an American, you know,
00:07:18.780there's tradition of being an American, which does have European, Anglo-Saxon basis in many ways,
00:07:29.160but also has other influences, and we talk about that. And so national anarchism can really include
00:07:36.700any anarchist of any hyphenation, even if they choose to use hyphenation, who's really just not a
00:07:45.380hypocrite. That is what I've, because you know, before I was involved with the National Anarchist
00:07:50.500Movement, that was always my biggest critique of the so-called anarchist movement, was that they were
00:07:58.080just too utopian and universalist and kind of dogmatic, especially when it came to things like
00:08:05.900culture and race and religion. And I would always say, and this extends not just for anarchists,
00:08:12.960but also like libertarians and constitutionalist type minded people here in the States. And I would
00:08:18.400say to them, well, what happens tomorrow, when we have an anarchist society or a libertarian society,
00:08:23.920and there's people who don't want to live with other populations, or, you know, whatever,
00:08:31.200whatever, based on whatever reason, you know, it could be homosexuals don't want to live around
00:08:37.040Christians or something. Why not? What, you know, what do we do about that? And they would act like
00:08:43.920it's fine, you know, fine for usually the left wing people would act like it's fine for so-called
00:08:50.560oppressed groups, you know, minority groups, brown, black, yellow, anything but white, unless the white
00:08:58.960people were homosexual or gender questioning, that they had a right to autonomously organize communities
00:09:10.560and be totally independent and sovereign. But white people who were heterosexuals didn't have that right.
00:09:19.440So, you know, that was always something that I questioned. And, and a lot of people were very
00:09:26.240hypocritical in their answers. They didn't seem very libertarian and anarchist. They seem more like
00:09:30.960fascists and other authoritarians, like, you know, the Marxists of different schools.
00:09:37.520I just want to live with people who like white people. You know, I'm fed up with cultural Marxism,
00:09:42.880multiculturalism being pushed down my throat if I don't want it, statism, Jewish supremacy, Islamic
00:09:48.400colonization, Mexican supremacy. I don't want any of it. So I don't want to live with people who tell me
00:09:53.360I'm a white supremacist for being concerned with my ethnicity and heritage. But this sort of rampant
00:09:58.000anti-white logical thinking has taken hold of the Western world. Therefore, it's no surprise that
00:10:02.720there are some whites who are racial separatists. Is it any wonder when so many people hate whites that
00:10:06.880they want to then go live with their own? Wouldn't you say? Indeed, indeed. And actually, you know, like,
00:10:12.240there's a white nationalist fellow who's associated with NADA. And, you know, he's more of like a kind of
00:10:19.840populist white nationalist. He believes in the constitution and like a minarchist limited
00:10:26.080government kind of libertarian white nationalist. I wouldn't call him a straight up anarchist.
00:10:31.600But he's associated with our alliance, NADA. And he actually doesn't even care about living
00:10:40.480in a white separatist enclave as much as he doesn't want personally to miscegenate and, you know,
00:10:51.760go outside of his race with his family. And he doesn't want, like what you just said, the multiculturalism
00:11:01.680and the anti-whitey stuff pushed down his throat through the media and his children's throat through
00:11:08.960the media and the educational system. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Have you been to Europe lately?
00:11:16.160I have never been to Europe, actually. I have only traveled in North America into the three
00:11:22.720nation states that make up North America. Well, what do you think of when I say Europe?
00:11:28.960Europe? What do I think of? I think of my ancestral homeland that I'm yearning to go back to,
00:11:37.680but I don't know when I'll have enough revenue or money to do so.
00:11:43.520Well, I ask because many who are ready to defend multiculturalism have never been to Europe. They
00:11:48.320think I'm talking about a little immigration into Europe, but I'm talking about mass immigration,
00:11:52.640hundreds of thousands at a time. Yet these people flopped their big fat mouths at me with that
00:11:56.800understanding that Europeans are literally well on their way to becoming a minority in their homelands.
00:12:02.640Their way of life is being destroyed. And this isn't cultural genocide. And who is allowing mass
00:12:07.360immigration? Government. So government is the problem here. Yet anarchists do not want to touch
00:12:11.440the subject of race differences and how multiculturalism does not work. Have you noticed
00:12:15.600this in the anarchist community? Indeed. Well, I would say first off, you know, anarchists,
00:12:24.160a lot of anarchists, since we're not talking about modern nation states, they think somehow that all
00:12:31.520borders are going to disappear, which is a very utopian thinking. There's borders everywhere. I mean,
00:12:39.040I have personal borders just around my person and my body. Sure.
00:12:43.440Sure. So, you know, I don't get, I don't really see that how local autonomy and individual autonomy like
00:12:54.960anarchists talk about is somehow going to translate into a borderless world that actually sounds like
00:13:00.880more borders than what we have today with the nation states and even with globalization now changing
00:13:08.160nation states. Now, back to the immigration issue. I do, you know, know that there is a mass immigration
00:13:18.000problem in Europe, just like there is here. And I think that's across the West. For a long time,
00:13:27.360when I was involved in Patriot group circles, I, you know, supported a lot of border stuff. But the
00:13:37.520more and more, I, I, I've come to kind of a nuanced understanding on it. And I, you know,
00:13:44.400I can't speak so much for Europe, but I can certainly speak for here in the United States,
00:13:49.280that I really think that the immigration issue is a done deal in many ways. And that that's why
00:13:55.920national anarchism or just anarchism in general, or decentralism and local autonomy is essentially
00:14:04.000the answer to deal with this tide of mass immigration that, like you said, is the product of
00:14:13.600statism and, and even more so ultra statism that we call globalization or the new world order or
00:14:21.120whatever. And, and I think that, you know, the Zionist interests and other globalist interests are
00:14:28.560definitely promoting this to destroy the Western nations, but they're also doing it to destroy
00:14:37.280the so-called developing third world nations as well. And because if you think about it,
00:14:44.080many of those people now, maybe not so much in Europe with the Muslims who are immigrating to Europe,
00:14:51.040but probably to some extent, but definitely with the, most of the immigration, whether it's Muslim
00:14:59.120or not here in the United States, I'd say across the board, the immigration to the United States,
00:15:05.280it's killing these people's culture. And by the, by the third, you know, the second generation,
00:15:12.560or the, you know, the, the first generation that's born here or brought up here has pretty much
00:15:17.920thrown his culture away. And, uh, it's, it's not, it's not good for anyone. That's what we're
00:15:24.640saying. This is creating a monoculture and that's what people don't understand. I mean,
00:15:28.800and if you're critical of immigrants, you can be slapped with hate speech laws.
00:15:32.320So the minorities, that's totally ridiculous. And here's, here's the thing that I should say to
00:15:37.280these people have not democratically voted for it. So again, it's government. And I think that these,
00:15:42.640these immigrants probably wouldn't be flooding over there if they weren't dishing out all this free
00:15:46.800stuff to immigrants, all the welfare. And then also if we didn't have Zionist occupied governments,
00:15:51.680we wouldn't be bombing foreigners and then moving them back into the white countries to live. So we
00:15:56.000have to pay for both ends. You see what I'm saying? Absolutely right. We need to look at not so much
00:16:01.600the symptoms, but the cause, the root radical cause, because it is, like you said, it's the bomb,
00:16:08.960the wars, the bombing campaigns, the genocide, the destabilization of governments that the,
00:16:15.840the, the Western Anglo American Zionist empire don't like, um, and the economic warfare beyond
00:16:23.360that, that these companies that globalists and Zionists own are wreaking, you know, chaos
00:16:30.640throughout the world from Latin America to, uh, far East Asia to the Middle East, to Europe,
00:16:38.880you know, so it, the, the, the, there, I think we need to look at those things. And if we end those
00:16:45.440things, I mean, I can only really speak for the United States, but just think about NAFTA. NAFTA
00:16:52.720has what's caused the biggest influx of immigrants from south of the border, um, here. So, I mean,
00:17:02.640we got to look at the causes, the economic causes caused by these, these globalist interests, these
00:17:08.480Zionist interests. We got to look at the war that causes this immigration. And you're right. Um,
00:17:15.040if we deal with that, it probably wouldn't even be that much of a problem.
00:17:19.040Yeah. It's just a shame for people that haven't been to Europe. You really need to go over there
00:17:23.040and see how it's being destroyed. I mean, it's, it's culture, it's cultural genocide and people don't
00:17:28.480realize some people have actually written me and say, fuck culture, fuck heritage and ancestry.
00:17:33.680Can you even believe that? What would your ancestors say? Do you know all of the depth and
00:17:38.240the knowledge that's encoded in our mythologies that come from the, from the regions of the parts
00:17:42.720of the world that we hail from? I think that, uh, you know, uh, all these, uh, things about immigration,
00:17:51.680um, but ultimately don't boil down to the people who are pawns, but really it has to do with the
00:18:01.040elites, the plutocrats and the oligarchs who are manipulating economies and manipulating governments
00:18:08.320and, uh, destabilizing countries worldwide. And, uh, that's the problem.
00:18:13.600Yeah. And then meanwhile, on the flip side, you have these kind of airhead new agey people who speak
00:18:18.240about some of this la la land collective where ethnicity and heritage is just going to magically
00:18:22.960fade away and we're going to join hands and meditate together. So you're supposed to just
00:18:26.880go with the flow and think happy thoughts of love while your lands are being taken over basically.
00:18:31.280And then there's some naive conspiracy folks who can't seem to see the conspiracy behind the
00:18:34.880destruction of nationality or the West. And what's, what, what's that going to do in the long run,
00:18:40.000you know? Right. I mean, it's, it's kind of, uh, it's kind of ridiculous that it, people are not
00:18:50.240at all concerned about these things because I mean, really they're, they rely on them. They
00:18:56.720wouldn't be in the places that they are without, I mean, Western civilization, um, is basically everything
00:19:05.280that people have in the West in many ways, but it becomes a dialectical thing. Um, and it becomes
00:19:12.960a, another false paradigm and dichotomy with this East versus West stuff too, because just as much as,
00:19:20.400uh, our culture is Western, there's always been an Eastern influence on Western culture and vice versa.
00:19:28.480There's always been a Western influence on Eastern cultures. And there is something to diffusionism.
00:19:36.080Um, it's, it's a shame that, um, it's become a cultural war rather than a positive diffusionism.
00:19:45.360But, you know, it just goes to show that there's always a two sides to the sword and, uh, two sides
00:19:51.680of the coin, as they say. Yeah. I mean, society to me, it just seems like there's an organic framework
00:19:56.800that works together. And clearly that's not the case with multicultural societies because
00:20:01.120people are always at each other's throat and it's crime and it's religious strife. And it's clear
00:20:05.840various peoples, they need their space from each other. So I always go back to pan-anarchism too.
00:20:10.720It's just, you got to take down this big government and have our separate regions and go our separate
00:20:16.080ways. Otherwise we're all just going to kill each other off, you know?
00:20:19.200Right. I think, I, right. I think there's something to that. Like that's the way to end the culture
00:20:23.760war. Culture wars is not to make everybody believe the same thing and have to, you know,
00:20:29.440love each other and all get along. It's let people go their own ways. So if you want to do the naive,
00:20:35.760hippie, new age thing, you can. And if you want to do the, the racial preservation thing, you can.
00:20:42.640Or you want to do a religious preservation thing and it's not based on ethnicity, you can. And you
00:20:48.240could do a multicultural thing that's, you know, based on, you know, American traditions of, you
00:20:55.440know, libertarian traditions, kind of like how Nata is. And, and, and it's fine because it's on a small
00:21:01.360scale. It's with people who are voluntarily associating, they're voluntarily part of it.
00:21:07.680Um, or they're intricately part of it. If it has to do with, you know, ethnicity and race,
00:21:13.840that is just part of it. And I think this solves a lot of problems, you know, going back to
00:21:18.000immigration. Uh, once again, I can only talk about the United States. Um, you know, I think that,
00:21:24.720you know, state, you know, regions, I don't even want to talk about as states, but regions around the
00:21:31.200United States have every right to, um, prohibit, you know, immigrant, illegal immigrants from coming in.
00:21:41.040Just like I think regions all around the United States have every right, sovereign right to be,
00:21:48.480um, what do they call them? Um, harbor regions or whatever, you know, where they, they harbor
00:21:55.280immigrants and allow immigrants free reign, you know, in certain regions. Uh, I, and I believe that
00:22:03.360the, the, the, the communities around the border, if they want to enforce the border,
00:22:09.840uh, and they're militias and they're minute men and, you know, want to enforce the border because
00:22:15.600the federal government won't because the federal government's obsolete. And maybe the federal
00:22:20.480government has always been obsolete since at least the Louisiana purchase. So, you know, so I think
00:22:32.160that that's fine, you know, enforce the border. If you see fit the people, the communities on the border,
00:22:37.600I live in New York, so I don't even, it's not even that much of a concern to me on the border.
00:22:44.240Now, are there ethno separatists and, and such in New York who don't want to live, uh, with Latin
00:22:53.760American populations or other non-white populations? Yes. And should they be able to live in communities
00:23:00.800that are like that? Yes. Just like I should be able to live in a community where there's
00:23:07.360every type of race and every type of religion, you know, very multiple multicultural society.
00:23:13.360I am very proud of my cultural heritage and I know quite a bit about my culture. So I'm,
00:23:18.480I'm very comfortable living in the multicultural society. I don't appreciate that it's forced down
00:23:24.880our throats through the media and through the school system. And I, I see the agenda behind
00:23:30.560that. Yeah. So I'm very comfortable with it and I don't really have a problem. I don't need,
00:23:35.120I don't feel personally like I need to separate, um, out of it, you know, and I, I feel very much
00:23:42.640like I could live in, you know, me and members of NADA who lived on a homestead together and an
00:23:48.960intentional community that we were working on. And it was very multicultural, but we all had,
00:23:56.320have the same culture in other ways. Like it may have been multicultural in our backgrounds,
00:24:01.680but we're all Americans and we're all based, you know, we all have this, we have beliefs and like
00:24:07.280the kind of limited government or anarchistic kind of American Jeffersonian tradition.
00:24:13.280You have something that draws you together. But when you take like a Muslim and a Christian,
00:24:17.600it's like, it's polar opposites, you know, they just, they can't, they can't.
00:24:21.840Sometimes, I mean, I, I, you know, being from New York, I have exposure to a lot of
00:24:27.520different peoples and I know Muslims and Christians who get along quite well. And I know, you know,
00:24:34.800that where they, they see eye to eye and they can talk about, you know, because Muslims venerate
00:24:40.560Jesus in the Quran, um, and, and he's quoted quite a bit in the Quran, Isa, they call him, but the
00:24:48.720same Jesus or Yeshua that the Christians talk about. I mean, they're Muslims are more friendly towards,
00:24:57.840uh, the prophet Jesus, Yeshua than, uh, Jews are. Whereas if you look at the, the Talmud
00:25:05.840of the Jews, they talk about, uh, Jesus being the town idiot, they call him Yoski. Um, uh, I believe
00:25:15.920they talk about him, that he's in hell, you know, boiling in a pot of his own excrement and semen and
00:25:24.480all these nasty, vile things. So I, I, you know, personally, you know, if I was a Christian,
00:25:32.320I would have more, so I wouldn't have more problems with a lot of the stuff in Judaism than Islam.
00:25:39.840Now that's not to say that there aren't streams of Islam that are just as crazy as these streams of
00:25:46.400Judaism. And I think they're letting in these types of extremists into Europe on purpose.
00:25:50.640Definitely. The Mossad, the CIA, MI6, uh, you know, all working through NATO have definitely done that.
00:25:59.920And I think it's also been done in Eastern Europe and Russia, to some extent, they're too on purpose,
00:26:06.000you know, uh, uh, to, to destabilize, just like the Anglo American empire, Zionist empire goes around
00:26:14.160destabilizing all these countries around the world. Yeah. Oh yeah. They're also destabilizing
00:26:20.480their own countries using these radicalized populations who hate the empire. Yeah.
00:26:30.000People, you know, there's a lot of pawns, a lot of people who are revolutionaries are pawns.
00:26:34.640Well, and there's a lot of pawns in the European government, because I heard yesterday,
00:26:38.240a lady was talking about how these Saudi Arabians are bribing politicians in Europe to allow for
00:26:44.960this mass immigration because they're basically, yeah, they want to colonize. It's about spreading
00:26:49.280Islam, right? Um, you know, I do believe that there are streams of Islam. I mean, certainly Wahhabi
00:26:56.560Islam is, uh, very much about what you just said. I don't, I wouldn't say that I wouldn't be
00:27:02.720collectivists and say that all streams of Islam, but certainly the Wahhabist form and certain Shia
00:27:09.920forms are, uh, certainly have an agenda of imperialism. I just think, come on Europe,
00:27:15.280wake up your sandwich between Jews and then also the Muslims. What about tapping into your own
00:27:20.480ancient heritage? Because I think Christianity in large part has destroyed a lot of that. So people
00:27:26.000have actually forgotten all the good ancient stuff that's there. I mean, you go to Sweden,
00:27:30.000a lot of people, they're not in touch with the old Viking mythologies, which is rich with all kinds
00:27:34.320of allegory that I never heard of before. Yeah, I, I, I absolutely, I think that, uh,
00:27:42.400looking beyond, I mean, and see, that's the thing, right? We were talking about West and East,
00:27:47.280right? That, that's a great point that you just made is when we talk about the Abrahamic religions,
00:27:53.040and that's Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, we're talking about, you know, they're somehow,
00:28:00.720somehow, Judaism and Christianity are classed as Western, and Islam is classed as Eastern. Yet,
00:28:09.200Islam comes out of Saudi Arabia, which isn't to the east of Jerusalem, it's to the south.
00:28:16.640Mm-hmm. And so, really, what you, like I said before, Western culture has a lot of Eastern culture
00:28:25.520in it. I mean, if you think about the ancient Greeks, they admit that they were doing a lot of
00:28:30.960learning from the Persians and the Egyptians. They learned quite a bit of science and mathematics
00:28:37.440and astrology from those two groups. So the Persian, the Egyptians and the Persians could be classed as
00:28:43.280Eastern. Now, and you know, if we want to talk about, you know, since we're talking about European
00:28:48.640heritage, you know, Indo-European peoples stretch from what's considered the Eastern world to the
00:28:56.480Western world. That's why I say this West-East dichotomy is kind of bogus. Um, so I would say that
00:29:05.840you're right, um, about, yeah, like, shouldn't Europeans maybe should start looking into their
00:29:12.160pre-Christian heritage because, in many ways, that is an alien culture. That's a more Eastern, uh,
00:29:21.680influenced culture. Not to say it doesn't have Western or influences or European influences, blah, blah, blah,
00:29:28.160but it certainly has Semitic influences, have Hermetic influences, uh, African influences via Egypt, um,
00:29:37.920because West African religions are, are, influences are evident even in East Africa and in Egypt.
00:29:46.560So, you know, like I said before, there's been a lot of cultural diffusion. We look at today
00:29:52.400globalization and the modern manifestation, but really it's been going on for thousands of years,
00:29:58.640years, you know, with ebbs and flows of empires and cultures rising and ebbing and flowing and
00:30:04.160people are migrating, migrations of people, right? And discoveries and, you know, and people have
00:30:08.880been coming to the Americas for, you know, from the Sultrians to the, the, the Asiatics over the
00:30:16.000Bering Land Strait to a million voyages before Columbus ever got here.
00:30:21.200I know. It's a joke that people believe that. Oh man. Yeah. Well, the, the thing is too,
00:30:27.920I think it's, um, what region you come from, there's mythologies, maybe deities and things
00:30:33.760that people venerated. Those things are literally encoded into our genetics. And I think, you know.
00:30:38.320Yes. And, and the soil even like, see, people don't think about it like that. Maybe like,
00:30:43.040there's something to these entities, these deities having a connection to those very territories,
00:30:49.120to those very places and, and an extension of that to those very people.
00:30:53.600Exactly. So that's why I get alarmed when I go to Europe and I see people losing this
00:30:59.280and letting something else and letting something else override that, that, that is a genocide. And
00:31:03.920that is, I'm not happy to see that. So. It is understandable. It is an understandable concern,
00:31:09.760no doubt. So tell us about National Anarchist Tribal Alliance. What, what is it? What's going on there?
00:31:14.560Okay. Well, like, uh, we've, we've touched on it a little bit. Yeah. The National Anarchist Tribal
00:31:20.000Alliance is just, uh, a group I started with a bunch of friends and my wife and, uh, you know,
00:31:26.640it's an anarchist, uh, alliance of, well, it's an alliance. Let me be straight. It's an alliance of
00:31:32.720anarchists mostly, but we're a little bit broader than that. We also encompass minarchists,
00:31:39.440which is just small government people. So that would include like pretty much all libertarian
00:31:45.360party people that would include, you know, the Patriot movement, kind of constitutionalist
00:31:51.840populist people. Um, so we have some like white nationalists who are kind of a constitutionalist
00:31:59.680mindset in the group. Um, and, uh, but mostly anarchists and voluntarists. And we, uh, we're
00:32:09.760an alliance of people and groups within that. Um, there's a couple of groups like we are changed.
00:32:16.000It's, uh, we are changed New York city chapter who is very associated with nada. And, uh, we're
00:32:23.440traditionally called mad in New York, but more and more, we're just dropping the New York and just
00:32:29.120calling it nada because we're extended throughout the East coast to, uh, New York, Pennsylvania,
00:32:37.840New Jersey, Connecticut. Uh, I believe that's all.
00:32:43.520So what's the tactic here to break away from government and succeed? I mean, do we need to
00:32:49.440form our own secret societies to get things done or do we have to be a bunch of single cells spread
00:32:54.320out, but united in a cause? What do you say?
00:32:56.400Well, I believe in a diversity of tactics. So both those ideas are great. I do believe that, uh,
00:33:05.600secret societies and forming, uh, very close knit, uh, societies and networks and cells
00:33:11.840can be beneficial, but it can also be dangerous if you extend and get too large. Um, I think lone
00:33:19.920wolf tactics and leaderless resistance is, are, is great and necessary. Um, and I think that, uh,
00:33:29.280intentional community building or enclave building is definitely necessary. Um, and I've been involved
00:33:39.120in that myself. It's a, it's a very hard thing to do. Um, it takes a lot of time and a lot of effort
00:33:47.600and it takes money to buy land and it takes committed people. So, um, but I think all of those
00:33:55.280ideas plus others, um, are definitely viable ways to counteract the system that will be way more
00:34:03.680effective than protesting or leafleting or writing your congressman, blah, blah, blah, or voting or
00:34:12.160any of that kind of traditional stuff. Now that's not to say that NADA doesn't take, that's not to say
00:34:18.560that NADA does not take part in activism, like, you know, mass marches and leafleting. We do,
00:34:28.480but we do realize most of us are vets at that, you know, veterans at that kind of, uh, traditional
00:34:36.480activism. So we do see the limitations of it and know that like it's essentially go nowhere. Hopefully
00:34:46.960you educate some people and maybe you get a few new people involved. And outside of that,
00:34:54.800it doesn't really do much. Um, so the other ideas like building intentional communities and
00:35:01.440building as autonomous and as sovereign enclaves as we, from the state, as we possibly can,
00:35:09.840I think is the best idea and that people should start. And if we can start doing that in a network
00:35:15.840and working together, networking at all different types of tribes from ethno tribes to tribes like NADA,
00:35:23.520uh, uh, you know, uh, you know, and NADA is trying to be that kind of alliance of tribes itself,
00:35:29.680but like that could be extended, you know, a federation of tribes, and we don't have to
00:35:35.360all agree on everything or even that much. All we have to agree on is volunteerism and,
00:35:42.720you know, we're not gonna, you know, try to take each other's territory, you know, and, and,
00:35:48.560and decentralization. And outside of that, we got each other's backs. And other than that,
00:35:53.120we mind each other's business. You know, I think too, where, where this is going to be one where
00:35:58.000you're going to get more people over to see the light, so to speak, I think it's imperative to
00:36:02.160begin our own alternative systems. I mean, everything from schools to making clothes,
00:36:06.880to making our own arts and just ditching the old system altogether.
00:36:10.720Absolutely. You know, and I guess I should have elaborated on intentional communities, but
00:36:17.280I think really that that's the beginning of alternative institutions. And that's like you
00:36:24.320said, alternative schools, um, our own schools, our own health clinics, um, our own everything,
00:36:33.440um, you know, making our own power, um, growing our own food, um, learning how to make our own
00:36:40.960electricity, whether, like I said before, power, whether it's solar, whether it's wind, um, whether
00:36:48.400it's hydropower, um, learning how to make fuels if we want to run combustion engines, you know, we could
00:36:55.040learn, learning how to make biodiesel, um, ethanol, all of these things are very worthy skills.
00:37:02.160Um, you know, learning how to live voluntary simplicity, learning how to live as simply as
00:37:07.520you can. Um, you know, I think all those things contribute slowly, um, to helping, you know,
00:37:16.320not only individuals and individual communities get sovereign and free of the system, but it
00:37:22.320contributes to a gradual, um, collapse of the system because the system's already starting to
00:37:28.640collapse. So the more and more people start opting out of it and doing their own thing and doing
00:37:33.680something separate from that, it's just going to be, you know, more, uh, a better chance of
00:37:39.040the whole thing collapses. And when we can start a new, um,
00:37:44.160Yeah. And from what you're speaking about to thinking of these communities, I mean,
00:37:47.200they could be all kinds of different communities. For me, I'm definitely not a collectivist or, uh,
00:37:51.360I don't want to live in a commune. I'd like to have my own room.
00:37:54.080I'd probably want to have my own, my own five acres, but I'd like to be surrounded by other
00:37:58.880people who also want their own five acres. So I know what kind of neighbors I have, you know?
00:38:04.480Right. Yeah. No. And exactly. Like these communities can be based on anything. So it could be
00:38:10.560communes and communists or they could be very, you know, like it could be very specific where
00:38:17.600everybody's got five acres or some shit, or it could be very free market. And, you know,
00:38:22.560somebody's got a little bit more land than somebody else and blah, blah, blah.
00:38:27.120You know, the sky's the limit, like I always say, you know what I mean? And it really has to do with
00:38:32.400the people involved with how it's going to work out, you know? And I think that's the big point of
00:38:40.400anarchism. And I think a lot of left anarchists in particular, you know, to, for lack of a better
00:38:46.160term have forgotten, um, that, you know, true diversity means that true diversity and their,
00:38:55.280their version of diversity is actually a homogenization of everybody.
00:39:00.080Yeah. I agree. You can't, you can't force anarchy on everyone, right? They have to...
00:39:06.000Yeah. And that's something that NADA and, uh, national anarchists and many pan anarchists like
00:39:11.520Keith Preston from Attack the System have talked about that in our vision of anarchism,
00:39:18.080it's really about decentralism and voluntary-ism. So essentially there, there will be, um,
00:39:27.280small scale democracies, small scale, you know, communism, small scale dictatorships,
00:39:34.560just like there'll be, you know, little libertarian enclaves and, and are just all different,
00:39:40.480you know, different economies, you know, different religious-based communities, ethno-based.
00:39:45.280So the sky, like I said before, I keep saying, the sky's the limit.
00:39:49.040Yeah. And eventually the government, I wonder, like New Hampshire, for instance,
00:39:52.160they have the Free State Project. So is the government keeping an eye like, ah,
00:39:55.840that's where all the libertarians are hanging out at. We'll have to keep an eye on those folks.
00:39:59.840I'm, I'm sure that the feds and the SPLC are quite aware of these projects and there's many others.
00:40:06.880The, the, the, the Free State Project in New Hampshire is a great example. There's also, uh,
00:40:12.000the Blue Ridge Liberty Project down in, I think, South Carolina?
00:40:17.360Or I could be wrong. Maybe North Carolina.