Radio 3Fourteen - Post-Apartheid South Africa

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.760 Welcome to new and regular listeners.

00:00:47.940 This is Lana, and I'm glad you've decided to listen to this program.

00:00:51.280 Because rarely do we get to hear about the Afrikaner view of events in South Africa,

00:00:55.340 from colonialism to apartheid and post-apartheid South Africa.

00:01:00.000 The story we get is very one-sided, to say the least.

00:01:03.520 My guest, Adi Skutta, is a blogger and political activist who lives and works in Johannesburg, South Africa.

00:01:09.900 His interest varies from self-sufficient localism and ethno-nationalism to Austrian economics and the various schools of anarchism.

00:01:17.600 He's a member of the Aranya movement.

00:01:19.920 So stick around and find out what you've not been hearing in the mainstream news about South Africa.

00:01:23.820 You'll also get to hear about a self-determined Afrikaner community called Aranya that is said enough to government tyranny and violence against the Afrikaner people.

00:01:33.120 So they started their own city-state.

00:01:35.480 They're an inspiration for Europeans all across the globe who wish to preserve their way of life.

00:01:40.140 And since Adi is an anarchist, we also explore problems of multiculturalism from an anarchist point of view.

00:01:46.020 On another note, I have been to several countries in Africa, including South Africa, and it's pretty amazing to see the old European structures and infrastructures that are still being used to this day.

00:01:57.420 Cape Town is by far the most beautiful city in Africa.

00:02:01.260 Well, Adi, welcome to the program.

00:02:02.620 I'm glad to finally have a South African on the program.

00:02:04.920 And just so you know, we're on the same page about many things, so don't feel like you have to hold back, okay?

00:02:09.720 Okay.

00:02:11.040 Well, it's a pleasure to be here, Lana.

00:02:13.560 Thank you.

00:02:14.500 I'd say politically correct thinking has replaced the nuclear bomb.

00:02:18.000 It's a warfare tactic.

00:02:19.400 How is the level of political correctness in South Africa these days?

00:02:22.900 In South Africa, I think the white population is not so easily bamboozled by it.

00:02:29.280 We are a minority, which I think is different from how white people react to things in Europe and America,

00:02:37.000 where, you know, they're always afraid of being called a racist.

00:02:42.180 We're here.

00:02:42.900 I think we're not that dumbed down to these ideas.

00:02:48.000 That's great.

00:02:49.680 Yeah, I think northerners have a lot to learn from the white South Africans.

00:02:53.980 But we do notice the double standards.

00:02:56.280 You know, you get your migrants in Europe and the black people in America get minority rights,

00:03:02.680 and then you come get your country like South Africa, and the idea is repulsive to them.

00:03:07.040 You know, it's just that typical double standards you always get.

00:03:10.480 Yeah, in American-European countries, the minority rules, and the majority is not heard,

00:03:14.200 and their interests are not considered.

00:03:16.300 In white countries, we give immigrants welfare, affirmative action, protect minorities with hate speech laws.

00:03:21.440 The majority gets nothing.

00:03:22.580 No, they don't.

00:03:23.280 And that's one of the reasons why I think minority rights is a problem.

00:03:28.280 Even, you know, I'm part of a minority, but I don't like the idea because it's always dividing people in groups

00:03:35.100 and having one group pay for another.

00:03:37.220 So in your example, the majority has to pay for the minority or subsidize them,

00:03:42.120 and by us, the minority has to subsidize the majority.

00:03:46.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:47.320 Yeah, through taxation.

00:03:49.560 And, yeah, when you speak of minority rights and somebody means a locality that wants independence from the state,

00:03:59.300 then, you know, it's a positive thing.

00:04:01.920 I think you look at Catalonia in Spain.

00:04:05.460 You look at Liga Nord in Italy, Brittany in France.

00:04:10.540 These portions, when they speak minority rights and they want independence from a centralized government,

00:04:15.900 then, yeah, that's brilliant.

00:04:18.280 So how are you treated in South Africa as a minority these days?

00:04:23.460 Look, racial relations in South Africa was always bumpy, but in general terms, people get along.

00:04:31.040 You know, I don't think the general population has that bad intentions to one another.

00:04:37.480 The problem has always been, for the way I view it, a government intervention.

00:04:41.880 In the apartheid days, you know, they wanted to – it had good intentions behind it.

00:04:49.400 They wanted to start homelands for every ethnic group.

00:04:52.820 They threw a lot of money at this idea.

00:04:55.120 But it's, again, it's an idea that wasn't supported by the majority of the population.

00:05:01.960 But you can't enforce these type of things.

00:05:05.380 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:06.420 Yeah, speaking of apartheid, I mean, most people naturally, they'll segregate with their ethnic groups and be self-determined,

00:05:11.900 which is absolutely fine.

00:05:13.480 But when government is involved, it's not a natural order.

00:05:16.040 So problems arise.

00:05:17.180 Wouldn't you agree?

00:05:18.720 Yes, definitely.

00:05:20.120 All government intervention socially is, in my opinion, destructive.

00:05:24.280 Strangely enough, I mean, you look at – you ever heard the arguments that white nationalists normally would come up with?

00:05:33.100 You know, they look for some sort of racial consciousness.

00:05:36.500 And it's interesting that to us in South Africa, we view ourselves as Afrikaners,

00:05:41.680 and in Europe where people have ethnicities, we come – most people would speak of ethnic nationalism,

00:05:47.140 and we would understand it under the term folk or ethnos.

00:05:50.680 You know, that's the name of our tribe, so to speak.

00:05:55.200 In Europe, America was started as a classical liberal country.

00:05:59.480 So why would something like white nationalism originate there?

00:06:03.800 And I think the answer is a negation from classical liberalism,

00:06:08.740 where it's identity politics perpetrated by the left and not the right,

00:06:14.320 where you give special privileges to immigrants, blacks, gays.

00:06:19.220 You know, it creates these victim classes, transvestites, and you can go on and on.

00:06:24.580 But it's interesting that when the right criticizes these type of things,

00:06:30.000 they would say government is acting like a bunch of socialists.

00:06:34.440 But what it is doing is, in fact, government is almost going back to the old monarchist system of classes,

00:06:43.120 but it's victim classes.

00:06:44.740 It seems like Africans, even deep in the bush, still manage to become indoctrinated with all sorts of anti-white propaganda.

00:06:52.220 So how is this happening, even deep in Africa?

00:06:55.680 But here it's not so much anti-white propaganda.

00:06:59.360 I don't think we have it so strongly here.

00:07:01.860 What does happen is that our government, you know, the African National Congress,

00:07:06.300 and people would say of them too, they're a socialist,

00:07:08.900 and they have deep socialist roots, but it's still a nationalist government.

00:07:13.860 You know, the name says it, African National Congress.

00:07:17.340 And it's the age-old belief, false belief in centralized government,

00:07:22.920 and centralized government as the answers to all problems.

00:07:27.160 And it's not.

00:07:28.560 A lot of the socialist ideas that our government still runs around with

00:07:34.620 is ideas that has failed in many other countries.

00:07:37.600 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:07:39.180 And, yeah, they just continue believing in these things,

00:07:43.780 that you can change the face of it,

00:07:46.620 keep the centralized policies, all these socialist policies,

00:07:49.880 and that this time it will work, you know, and it never works.

00:07:54.640 So in white countries these days,

00:07:56.480 European colonization is attempted to be used as a weapon on modern Europeans.

00:08:00.560 And I'm not one to trust the mainstream account of history,

00:08:03.500 but what would you say about the portrayal of European colonialism in South Africa?

00:08:07.180 Is it somewhat accurate or is it grossly one-sided?

00:08:10.220 Oh, that is grossly one-sided.

00:08:13.060 What they always miss is what the conditions in Africa was like prior to colonialization.

00:08:20.600 And what colonialization are you talking about?

00:08:23.980 Because it's not like such vast figures of Europeans ever moved to Africa

00:08:29.840 to settle permanently everywhere.

00:08:32.220 South Africa is probably one of the few exceptions.

00:08:34.480 Most of the other countries in Africa, it was mostly political rule.

00:08:40.960 There was no real colonization as in masses of people settling

00:08:45.540 and unsettling the inhabitants.

00:08:50.640 Whereas you look at the way Middle Easterners and Africans are moving into Europe today,

00:08:55.960 that is real colonization.

00:08:57.400 Oh, yeah.

00:08:58.280 That's what I say.

00:09:00.260 The problem I have with typical right-wing parties in Europe, again,

00:09:05.020 is when I look at their policies, even France National,

00:09:08.720 they keep those type of socialist ideas and centralized government ideas

00:09:14.820 that is fueling this migration.

00:09:18.560 Because as long as you're giving out government pensions and government subsidies for this

00:09:25.060 and you're creating all these unduly payments to people for being jobless,

00:09:32.780 you're rewarding.

00:09:34.180 You're creating the incentives for the migration.

00:09:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:37.780 It's not good enough to be anti – because I don't believe people should hate one another

00:09:43.480 or that you should – government should crack down and throw everybody –

00:09:46.800 if I'm going to say some European country should throw out all the blacks

00:09:50.260 or all the Arabs in their country, then, you know, in Africa they can do the same.

00:09:54.660 So that's never the answer to the problems.

00:09:57.580 It's just getting government out of the social sphere.

00:10:01.800 Oh, I agree 100%.

00:10:03.060 If you don't have incentives, as you say, then people won't come there

00:10:07.480 because at the end of the day people do want to hang out with people that speak their language

00:10:10.640 and eat their food and in the climate that they've grown in for thousands of years.

00:10:15.180 Yes, definitely.

00:10:16.160 And, you know, there's healthy integration and there's healthy segregation.

00:10:19.960 But the choice is always the individuals

00:10:21.860 because the individual should be able to discriminate openly, you know,

00:10:28.920 and even in private associations.

00:10:31.040 If you want to start a white-only chess club, you should be free to do so.

00:10:36.300 If I'm not happy with it, I can start my Chinese-only chess club.

00:10:39.980 You know, as long as there's competition.

00:10:43.060 And every act we do is a choice.

00:10:48.540 And every choice has an opportunity cost.

00:10:50.700 But when you put on a pair of shoes in the morning,

00:10:53.160 you're discriminating against 12 other pairs that you're not wearing.

00:10:56.740 So it's part of everyday life.

00:10:59.660 But, you know, it's just that when government does these things,

00:11:02.520 when government intervenes,

00:11:04.260 and as odd as it is for government to try and stop individual discrimination of any kind in the private sphere,

00:11:12.080 what government has to do is divide the population into groups,

00:11:16.700 blacks, immigrants, whatever groups it wants to divide them in,

00:11:20.600 and then discriminate continuously to ensure that nobody discriminates,

00:11:25.240 which is madness.

00:11:26.280 I've heard that in South Africa there are 11 official languages

00:11:30.420 and a wide variety of cultures and religions,

00:11:33.100 which then is no surprise at the level of conflict going on.

00:11:36.300 But nevertheless, South Africa is referred to as a rainbow nation, right?

00:11:40.100 Yes, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

00:11:44.500 There's many religions, many cultures, many different languages.

00:11:48.080 I mean, I can't speak any of most of them.

00:11:50.100 I can speak my own, which is Afrikaans, and I can speak English.

00:11:54.220 Most people can speak at least two to three languages,

00:11:57.540 some people four or five.

00:11:59.600 So it's not uncommon.

00:12:01.020 The problem is not the diversity in South Africa.

00:12:06.380 It's sometimes when government takes on any word, it perverses that word.

00:12:12.720 So in South Africa, we have a term called nation building,

00:12:16.120 and it sort of like becomes trying to create –

00:12:21.020 people speak of the nation state, but that's also a misnomer.

00:12:24.200 It's a territorial state.

00:12:26.920 And when they speak nation building in South Africa,

00:12:29.720 they say, let's celebrate our diversity, and now we all speak English.

00:12:36.360 You know, it's creating monoculture.

00:12:40.040 But again, enforcing it.

00:12:42.160 It's almost the exact – when they use the word diversity,

00:12:46.160 it's almost the exact opposite of it.

00:12:48.620 It's always good for that one can practice his culture,

00:12:52.020 but when you do it, it's racist.

00:12:53.760 You know, that one can be – it's always double standards with government.

00:12:57.300 Yeah, we have in European countries now all these hate speech laws

00:13:02.320 to protect the minority, so you can't even be critical.

00:13:05.340 And like in Sweden, for instance, if you want to look into your pagan roots

00:13:08.560 or in Germany, if you want to look into Germanic heathenism,

00:13:11.500 uh-oh, only Hitler did that.

00:13:14.060 Yes, I mean, it's madness.

00:13:16.660 And hate speech, the only people with the power to really take that to a level

00:13:25.400 where it's dangerous to everybody is government.

00:13:28.040 Who else has the force to do it?

00:13:30.560 I mean, when I insult anybody, the person can insult me right back

00:13:33.900 if they so choose.

00:13:35.320 And that will be the end of it.

00:13:37.700 The danger I can do with any form of hate speech that I might perpetrate

00:13:41.720 is only my personal surroundings and the people I have contact with.

00:13:46.680 No individual or individual association has that sort of power.

00:13:50.360 Even Nazi Germany, I mean, nobody can think that that sort of hate speech

00:13:54.920 could have taken place without the government.

00:13:57.860 In South Africa, I remember a number of years back,

00:14:00.260 there was a man who – he has a small little holiday resort on a river,

00:14:06.320 very small, and he kept it whites only.

00:14:09.320 And he was quite open about it.

00:14:12.300 The Human Rights Commission got involved with this.

00:14:15.020 The guy was dragged before the courts, sued.

00:14:18.760 Eventually, I mean, he was completely bankrupted.

00:14:22.980 But, you know, they stripped him of his human rights

00:14:26.100 in the name of human rights.

00:14:29.840 Yeah, it's double standards.

00:14:32.660 Yes, all the way.

00:14:34.600 So in South Africa, like I said,

00:14:36.080 apartheid ended in 1994 and –

00:14:39.320 you know, we were all happy about it.

00:14:41.140 It was an unworkable system.

00:14:43.360 It just couldn't continue.

00:14:46.280 Now, it professed a couple of things that wasn't true.

00:14:50.320 And one of the main problems was that, of course,

00:14:53.080 Afrikaners as an ethnic group were widely dispersed throughout the country.

00:14:57.200 And always, a lot of the people, most of the people used normal economics.

00:15:04.980 You go for the cheapest value product you can get.

00:15:08.560 And labor issues was basically all manual labor,

00:15:13.980 most manual labor were done by black people.

00:15:16.560 So this made any form of actual segregation completely impossible.

00:15:23.340 You could politically dominate,

00:15:26.040 but you can't really have Afrikaners together doing anything,

00:15:32.960 forming a community of any sort.

00:15:35.140 So in the late 1980s, there was a thinker, Dr. Carl Bossoff.

00:15:43.500 And him and a couple of people got together and started talking.

00:15:47.260 And they eventually – I think it was 1990 –

00:15:52.520 they bought a town called Urania in the Northern Cape.

00:15:56.480 Just a – it was a dilapidated town that was used as construction housing

00:16:01.640 for workers in the 1960s.

00:16:04.880 But the town was completely dilapidated and nobody lived there.

00:16:08.520 So they just bought an empty shell.

00:16:11.500 And from that time on, they started propagating the idea

00:16:16.040 that Afrikaners should come together.

00:16:19.080 You know, if you want to live amongst your own people,

00:16:21.320 speak your own language, practice your own culture,

00:16:24.020 you need to live together.

00:16:25.860 And that's what they did with this town.

00:16:27.820 Yeah, so it's been a couple of years since then.

00:16:32.380 I think the first people actually moved in in 1992.

00:16:35.580 And by now, it's got a population of over 1,000.

00:16:38.460 And it's definitely moving forward.

00:16:40.780 So there is ways that people can get the kind of government they want

00:16:47.460 and live amongst the kind of people that they want to live voluntarily

00:16:51.920 without government intervention.

00:16:53.680 And that's what makes this town so wonderful for me.

00:16:57.820 Yeah, I watched the Aranya documentary by Tobias Linder last night.

00:17:01.480 And the people of Aranya, they're so mellow and they're highly spiritual.

00:17:05.020 One young girl said in the film that they get called racists all the time.

00:17:08.220 But how is it racist for her to want to be with her own living in peace

00:17:11.820 and preserving her culture, especially after all the violence and the bloodshed?

00:17:16.960 Yeah, I mean, look, the crime in this country is horrific.

00:17:20.660 Crime levels, I think it came down slightly over the last two to three years,

00:17:27.060 but not nearly where it should be.

00:17:28.920 It's still pretty serious.

00:17:32.440 And it's not even as if government doesn't want to stop it.

00:17:38.600 They just can't.

00:17:39.760 There's structural fault lines in this country relating to poverty, inequality,

00:17:50.060 cultural diversity, these type of things.

00:17:53.700 And government just doesn't have the answers.

00:17:55.800 And I don't think the answers lie with government to begin with.

00:17:58.900 What I like about this form of localism, like Aranya,

00:18:04.580 is that it can actually be done anywhere with any ideology.

00:18:09.500 There's no ideological limitations to it.

00:18:12.480 If a group of syndicalist communists wants to get together,

00:18:16.580 start their own town and run it in terms of their ideology,

00:18:20.220 they can do that without enforcing their will on others.

00:18:23.180 Because if a bunch of Christian fundamentalists or pagans or white, black, brown,

00:18:30.780 any group can do this, and if it's a private initiative, it harms nobody.

00:18:36.220 And you can live with people that you want to live with.

00:18:40.640 That's right.

00:18:41.280 I think that would bring the most amount of peace.

00:18:42.960 You give people the space to practice and do as they want in their life

00:18:47.960 and give them a separate homeland and people get along better.

00:18:51.720 Yes, definitely.

00:18:52.500 And you don't need to restrict.

00:18:54.160 You don't need to be isolated.

00:18:55.600 I mean, it's interesting.

00:18:58.180 Urania, for instance, formed a very special friendship

00:19:00.720 with a German-speaking town in northern Italy called Seiterul.

00:19:06.960 And because, you know, they're also just this one town.

00:19:10.300 I think they were given to Italy as part of the peace deal at the end of World War I.

00:19:15.880 And here they find themselves in Italy.

00:19:17.680 The first thing government tried to do is force everybody to become Italians.

00:19:22.500 You know, a typical government.

00:19:25.220 But the other interesting friendship the town has formed is with one or two Cosa communities in the Eastern Cape.

00:19:31.220 They've actually visited these black communities and tried to show them what we have done with the hope that they could do the same for their own community

00:19:41.680 and perhaps repeat some of the community projects that we've run that was very successful.

00:19:48.520 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:19:49.600 If you take government out of the picture, it's amazing how people can organize and get things done and find alternatives, isn't it?

00:19:56.140 Yes, definitely.

00:19:58.020 There's always alternatives.

00:19:59.560 There's always peaceful alternatives instead of the force that comes with government.

00:20:05.520 And I never understood why, you know, conservatives and liberals always end up in a situation where it's a choice between, you know,

00:20:16.080 one person once put it very nicely, you always end up choosing between the stupid party and the evil party.

00:20:24.300 Yeah.

00:20:24.780 And if you look at what they sometimes call the culture wars between conservatives and liberals in many of the countries,

00:20:33.640 you get to a situation where they vote on such stupid things, things that shouldn't matter,

00:20:41.200 things that governments shouldn't be involved with.

00:20:43.600 And almost tongue-in-cheek, one wants to say, you know, do you want to ban homosexuality or enforce it on everybody?

00:20:50.740 You know, that's almost the silliness of the choices we end up with because people vote emotionally, not rationally in elections.

00:21:00.800 I don't put much high value on democracy.

00:21:03.600 No, I don't either.

00:21:06.440 Yeah, like I said, people vote emotionally, not rationally.

00:21:09.420 And if they voted rationally, then political parties wouldn't need slogans like,

00:21:14.160 change you can believe in, a better future for all.

00:21:17.640 These are emotional things.

00:21:19.440 It has nothing to do with reality.

00:21:22.400 Yeah, I think also once you get past the layers of hate and bigotry the media has heaped upon the pre-1994 South African government,

00:21:30.620 I think you can begin to realize they had at least a few things right.

00:21:33.540 They knew a multi-ethnic democracy led by an angry communist-influenced black majority would result in a failed state like Zimbabwe, right?

00:21:42.460 Oh, yes, that's our big fear.

00:21:44.060 And one of the big problems is I think looking in hindsight, lots of people wish the negotiations went better

00:21:51.780 because the real issues in Zimbabwe only started really after 1994.

00:21:57.280 So we already gave up to the point of one man, one vote.

00:22:03.040 The answer for South Africa at the time was probably the best answer would have been to split this country up into 28 smaller states,

00:22:11.800 at least, if not more, where the inhabitants can then choose their government democratically,

00:22:20.720 but at least not create this overarching centralized government that we have now.

00:22:27.320 And at the moment, you know, they're ever arching towards more socialist ideas.

00:22:33.640 And of late, the whole idea of property rights is coming under fire again with government threatening to take land, redistribute land.

00:22:45.600 Land redistribution is never fair.

00:22:48.340 It's not as if farming is an easy job.

00:22:52.700 You just give somebody a piece of land and there you go.

00:22:55.480 You're a farmer.

00:22:56.260 It doesn't work that way.

00:22:59.280 So it's highly problematic.

00:23:02.680 You know, how does it work with some of the black African customs?

00:23:06.320 I mean, is there a culture clash?

00:23:08.080 Because aren't they also into polygamy and cannibalism and female genital mutilation?

00:23:14.540 I mean, how does that work with the Afrikaner culture?

00:23:18.340 Look, I mean, South Africa is pretty, very westernized.

00:23:21.820 I think of all of Africa, it's probably the most westernized African country.

00:23:27.220 But black culture also, you say black culture, but the various ethnic groups have vastly different cultures.

00:23:34.020 That's right.

00:23:34.500 Cannibalism, we don't really have it.

00:23:36.480 That's maybe for the movies.

00:23:39.460 That said, however, I've seen video clips in North Africa, in mid-Africa, where there's civil wars, where people do revert back to that sort of thing, which is absolutely horrific.

00:23:50.200 But the culture clash is just world views that differ.

00:23:57.900 My idea of freedom and my idea of how I view the world and the functions that government should perform is completely different from what Africans, a lot of them, see in government.

00:24:13.820 You know, for me, freedom is something that's from the government, you know, away from them.

00:24:19.420 And for them, and it's written like that in our constitution, we have a lot of what people call second generation rights, which is economic rights written into our constitution.

00:24:28.700 And for them, freedom is government giving housing, government giving education, government, you know, providing this, that, and the other.

00:24:38.640 Unfortunately, I think many people, and probably many white people, too, miss the point that in order for government to give anything, it has to take it away first.

00:24:50.260 Nothing is for free.

00:24:51.540 There's no such thing as free education or free health care or free housing.

00:24:56.440 Whatever government spends, it has to take it away from productive forces and then employ that capital in unproductive ways that will have less economic growth.

00:25:09.260 So it's just these world views that differ a lot.

00:25:12.340 Look, I mean, culture clashes, in a way, Afrikaners really keep to themselves.

00:25:17.940 We always have, you know, socially.

00:25:20.860 We work, I personally am a minority at my place of where I work.

00:25:27.320 So what you will have is a very much a multicultural setting, maybe at a factory and at offices.

00:25:35.440 But afterwards, when people socialize, they socialize with their own, you know, people who speak their own language and have the same customs and culture.

00:25:44.940 That makes sense.

00:25:47.380 Well, I don't know too much about Afrikaner culture and tradition.

00:25:50.400 Is your folklore or mythology a fusion between European and African, or is it Christian for the most part?

00:25:56.380 No, it's Protestant, Christian Protestant.

00:25:59.420 I would say 98%.

00:26:01.640 There's a one-off euro there, but it's mostly Protestant Christian.

00:26:08.000 Look, Afrikaners are a fusion, or I think that in German they call us derbur.

00:26:15.240 And what happened was it was Dutch merchant ships that came to the southern tip of Africa.

00:26:22.620 And not all the sailors were Dutch, though.

00:26:25.920 There were a good amount of people from the lower parts of Denmark, Germany, northern Germany, and other parts of Europe.

00:26:34.680 But also, later on, when the religious war started in France, the French jugnauts came.

00:26:41.720 The Protestants were persecuted in France, and a lot of them fled here.

00:26:45.960 And these groups basically fused.

00:26:48.960 And our language is called Afrikaans.

00:26:51.780 It's very close to Dutch, but not entirely Dutch.

00:26:56.260 You can hear the difference.

00:26:57.920 Although we can understand each other sometimes.

00:27:00.520 Sometimes it's easier for me to read them than to hear them.

00:27:03.800 I can't always understand what they're saying.

00:27:07.220 And I think the same would go vice versa for them.

00:27:10.920 So we became culturally united here, people of European extraction.

00:27:18.860 And when the Cape was taken over by the English, many of the Afrikaners were not happy with the transition.

00:27:27.140 And we went out on what became known as the Groot Track, the Big Track.

00:27:33.180 And with ox wagons, basically just moved into the wilderness, outside the borders of what the English controlled, into the Midlands of South Africa.

00:27:43.480 First Natal, then the Free State, and eventually founding two republics.

00:27:47.140 The Republic of the Free State and the Transvaal Republic.

00:27:50.560 And I think with the whole ordeals that we made through in that movement, a strong folksgefühl, a tribal feeling arose out of that.

00:28:07.400 And we became a nation.

00:28:09.100 Was the land occupied already, or was it vacant?

00:28:15.200 Parts of the land was actually vacant.

00:28:17.560 Not big, but it was parts of the Free State.

00:28:19.940 I know that was vacant.

00:28:22.600 But there was huge demographic shifts that's taken place, obviously, between 1800 and today.

00:28:29.780 So, although there were black tribes in the area, there were not nearly as many people as today.

00:28:36.480 So, vast areas of the land was unpopulated.

00:28:39.600 Also, Africa had no infrastructure.

00:28:41.980 It had no roads.

00:28:43.020 No, what you even would have understood as medieval cities did not even exist.

00:28:49.100 It was very, very neolithic almost, you know.

00:28:53.340 People living from hand to mouth, hunting, and keeping perhaps a few cows, but nothing.

00:29:00.960 There was no towns with trade.

00:29:03.100 There was no money or things like that invented yet.

00:29:06.920 Yeah, see, that's incredible.

00:29:07.980 They went and had nothing and just built it up from scratch.

00:29:11.800 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:29:12.620 It amazes me.

00:29:13.800 I think many Afrikaners feel a little bit…

00:29:17.120 One intellectual actually put it very interesting.

00:29:19.980 He said, for Afrikaners, because we're also like Europeans, we're in a demographic downward turn, you know, with lesser children than the generations before.

00:29:31.420 And even if it goes economically good with South Africa going forward, being marginalized, being part of an identity group or cultural group that is seen as…

00:29:44.980 The feeling could be that it's negative even when it is positive.

00:29:49.980 And, you know, like I said, Afrikaners have got a very strong forksful, a sense of tribe.

00:29:57.340 Well, there's another issue that we have to cover, and it's really about the free market,

00:30:01.640 because a prominent economist named William Hurt, as well as other voices, pointed out that…

00:30:06.020 Sorry, William Hutt.

00:30:07.340 Racial policies in South Africa were not the result of capitalism, like the communists, I'd like to say,

00:30:12.900 but instead we're the product of anti-capitalist government intervention to benefit and protect certain few from the potential competition.

00:30:20.800 So, basically, like the crony capitalism that we have in America today, right?

00:30:24.160 Yes, yes.

00:30:25.040 And that's another thing that people don't recognize.

00:30:28.820 And I think Hutt, I saw his book, I still haven't read it.

00:30:32.160 I actually want to read that one.

00:30:33.960 He makes brilliant arguments.

00:30:35.620 One of the things that brought apartheid down was, of course, the free market.

00:30:42.180 You know, the ANC can claim all its socialism that it wants to, but the truth is that normal trade, free trade,

00:30:52.160 made apartheid an unworkable system.

00:30:55.820 I mean, government can try and enforce any policies it wants, but capital flows in its most productive forms.

00:31:06.000 When you have a choice between employing expensive labor or cheap labor, you will go for the cheap labor.

00:31:10.880 So, it was really undermined by the free market, much more than what the ANC ever did.

00:31:16.620 Yeah, I think Hutt expressed in the free market, the only color that really matters is the color of your money.

00:31:22.520 And I would agree with that.

00:31:23.460 That's correct.

00:31:25.380 That's absolutely correct.

00:31:27.140 And I think today, it's something I think that comes out of World War I and World War II.

00:31:35.800 You know, when people look, when you look at modern government, a lot of the policies we call socialist actually comes out of the fascist movements.

00:31:50.040 There is similarities, a lot of similarities.

00:31:57.100 The modern state is just like it's a fusion between fascists and socialists in a way.

00:32:04.160 But mass democracy is nothing but that.

00:32:06.100 People vote, like I said, emotionally, vote for a government that always promises things that they cannot really deliver on because they're trying to go against economic laws, which is impossible.

00:32:19.320 And I myself, that's why I'm also very interested in free market anarchism and the ideas that the Austrian school espoused.

00:32:25.580 Definitely.

00:32:27.700 I also want to ask, because obviously the media, you never get any accurate information, so it's better to just ask someone who's there.

00:32:34.900 But are there actually white squatter camps?

00:32:37.860 Yes, there is.

00:32:38.580 And how did that happen?

00:32:42.120 Well, it's an unfortunate occurrence, but it's come about after the apartheid years and really the last, I would guess now, but I would say the last 10 years that it really materialized.

00:32:57.460 But it's come about just people who has not kept up economically, who's lost out, lost their jobs for various reasons, and always there's social ills, you know, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, and it happens.

00:33:14.280 There is white squatter camps.

00:33:15.960 There aren't, I mean, in comparison to the black squatter camps, they're minute in size.

00:33:22.780 But yes, they do exist.

00:33:24.380 Well, there's another big elephant in the room we must address, and it's something the media has blocked out and refuses to cover, and that it's white genocide in South Africa, and we're talking about brutality and murder of the worst kind.

00:33:37.580 I mean, I've seen these photos and had nightmares when I see what's going on down there, and not only includes farmers, but innocent children and the elderly.

00:33:44.240 So since 1994, over 70,000 whites have been murdered in cruel and horrifying ways.

00:33:50.020 Perhaps you can tell us what's going on down there, and why is this not headline news around the world?

00:33:54.380 Well, I think the reason why it's not headline news is already, but we covered that one.

00:34:00.540 You know, it's just, it would be such a politically incorrect statement to make overseas.

00:34:05.660 I mean, they just, I don't think any, the journalists would bring themselves to write such a thing.

00:34:11.640 I must say that crime, however horrific it is, is, it affects the black population more, because their numbers are just so much greater.

00:34:24.560 And also, when we say genocide, I mean, I'm not gonna, and I don't think anybody can make the statement that it is, that it is orchestrated.

00:34:35.220 And when we speak of genocide, normally people understand underneath, under that term, that it is a government-induced mass murder.

00:34:43.660 That's how most people read it.

00:34:45.720 It is unfortunate that Afrikaans, as a minority, with the figures that we have, we are only about 2.7 million in the country.

00:34:55.360 And you're looking at a population of at least 42 million.

00:35:00.680 So, it's a minority of, by this time, I think we're less than 10% actually of the population.

00:35:07.160 But when you have this levels of crime, and you have a low population growth like Afrikaners do, it is definitely experienced as such.

00:35:16.700 And crime in South Africa is just not crime, it takes on a brutal type of nature.

00:35:25.020 On these farm murders, it's, you know, people get tortured in the most brutal of ways.

00:35:30.100 I mean, I've read stories of people who get burned with irons.

00:35:36.380 You know, when you're ironing clothes, they get burned with irons, tortured, most horrific things done to them.

00:35:44.620 No, it's absolutely brutal.

00:35:47.620 And it's not as if government doesn't want it to stop.

00:35:50.200 Government's not capable of stopping it.

00:35:53.200 A big part of that problem, I think, came around 2003.

00:35:57.140 We had a commando system of volunteers in the rural areas that used to assist both police or military.

00:36:05.620 And this was just a voluntary commando service.

00:36:08.440 And the then-president, Thabo Mbeki, actually stopped it and he said he's disbanding the commandos and they will be replaced by a – and then the police will – is going to bring new initiatives to replace it.

00:36:23.920 But that never materialized.

00:36:25.920 And in the aftermath of that, these farm murders just escalated to high levels, unacceptable levels.

00:36:35.400 Well, it's horrible because I've heard people in the West say they deserve it.

00:36:40.480 Yeah.

00:36:40.640 I mean, that's one of the strange things I will never understand about – probably about especially American journalists and the mainstream media.

00:36:51.580 You would go – and I remember reading that when the right-wing leader they had here in South Africa, old Eugene de Blanche, was murdered.

00:36:58.660 And this is a man that probably – he made the case that white people should segregate.

00:37:07.260 But he himself didn't.

00:37:08.680 He had a farm.

00:37:09.440 He had black workers that worked for him.

00:37:11.360 This is normal in Africa.

00:37:14.040 Or in South Africa, at least.

00:37:15.500 So, he was murdered by his farm workers.

00:37:20.420 So, people say, well, he deserved it.

00:37:22.180 So, if you say, I should segregate from black people because they're going to kill me and then the black people kill you, then you go – you know.

00:37:30.800 And then the journalists can't turn around and say, well, he deserved it because, in fact, the murder proved him right.

00:37:36.740 Yeah.

00:37:36.960 And that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

00:37:42.680 No.

00:37:43.680 Yeah.

00:37:43.900 I mean, I've seen pictures of little white babies, little infants who have been cut up in pieces and murdered.

00:37:51.440 No, there was one or two such cases and especially the one girl, I think, Potgiter was his surname, who was two years old and just shot through the head.

00:38:01.360 It was absolutely brutal.

00:38:04.200 No, it's disgusting.

00:38:06.960 And anybody who – I don't care what tribe you belong to, what color you are, if you are talking good about murder, then, to me, you're the lowest scumbag there is.

00:38:19.680 Yeah.

00:38:19.840 I mean, it's so easy for the left to always call people that disagree with fascists, always call them, oh, right-wing extremists.

00:38:28.060 Oh, yeah.

00:38:28.220 But when they're the ones who's speaking good of murder, then, you know, then we have serious problems.

00:38:39.780 I've also heard the argument, well, the white farmers, they stole the land and they are exploiting the land.

00:38:45.080 So what do you say to that?

00:38:46.040 No, there was – look, there was some – I think after the Anglo-Boer War, there was some land that was expropriated by government.

00:38:57.920 Between 19 – I'm not exactly sure of the dates.

00:39:02.240 I think it was – oh, I'm going to lie to you if I tell you exact dates.

00:39:06.020 It wasn't that much.

00:39:09.480 The problem at the moment is what you had is like in the free state province.

00:39:13.880 If you would look at a map of South Africa, you see the free state province there.

00:39:17.380 I read just a couple of months ago that by about 1800, the population in the free state was actually 70% white and 30% black.

00:39:29.700 Now, you go from there over dramatic demographic shifts in 200 years where that white population of that area that was 70% of the population now becomes 10%.

00:39:43.460 You can't argue that any land was stolen.

00:39:48.460 It just doesn't make any sense.

00:39:50.540 In any case, like I said, the Boers, when they moved in to the inlands, the midlands, there was vast stretches of lands that was unoccupied.

00:40:04.520 Private property as a concept did not exist in Africa yet.

00:40:09.600 It literally did not exist.

00:40:11.800 It's no idea of private property.

00:40:14.560 So the argument can't be made.

00:40:17.820 It's the original appropriation.

00:40:20.580 How are you going to – because between 1800 and now 2014, how many times have a piece of land been bought and sold and bought and sold?

00:40:29.800 Who are you going to take it away from?

00:40:32.200 Yeah.

00:40:33.340 And that's the whole problem with – and when you let go of property rights, when you don't acknowledge property rights, you go to barbarism.

00:40:41.780 You eventually end up with what we had in Russia under Stalin.

00:40:44.660 And in land redistribution in Africa, all the – everywhere where it was has been tried, you see the type of situation you see in Zimbabwe, where it's a politician that's taking it away from the private owners, and it's the political cronies that get it.

00:41:02.540 The poor never gets anything.

00:41:03.800 The other thing is the environmental factor.

00:41:08.140 It's a fact that when people own the land, they're going to treat it with respect.

00:41:13.800 When nobody owns it, they're going to trash it.

00:41:15.520 It's like a rental car.

00:41:16.360 People just drive the hell out of it because it's not theirs.

00:41:19.980 Yeah.

00:41:20.560 That is true.

00:41:21.380 And, you know, when the environmentalists make the claim for – especially for animal protection, because here we have poachers shooting rhinos left, right, and center.

00:41:32.240 These animals are very close to extinction.

00:41:35.300 It's a big problem.

00:41:36.560 But, of course, government has gone years ago already, started intervening, and made the trade in rhino horn and elephant tusks illegal.

00:41:46.240 And whenever I try to explain to people, I always use the example of the extinct chicken.

00:41:52.880 You know, if government find out that chicken is an ancient animal, they'll immediately stop trade.

00:41:57.680 Every owner who has chickens on his farm will immediately shoot, shovel, and shut up.

00:42:04.020 And, you know, prices for chickens will explode because the market is always there.

00:42:10.920 And the problem of – you know, and eventually chickens would die.

00:42:13.580 Would they go extinct if government intervenes to try and save them?

00:42:17.120 And that's the problem when government intervenes in free trade.

00:42:20.160 Instead of animals being more productively used on farms for these products, finding a way.

00:42:28.920 It's just become – these animals are now nobody's property.

00:42:34.320 And as in the rest of Africa, you just get the mass shooting of them.

00:42:38.460 And it's environmentally completely destructive.

00:42:41.680 Well, thinking in terms of political conspiracy, it's really no surprise the endless amounts of mainstream disinfo and lies,

00:42:48.740 especially surrounding the present culture and history of whites in South Africa.

00:42:52.380 And to this day, people in the West think that the apartheid government killed millions of blacks.

00:42:57.740 But this is not true, correct?

00:42:59.940 No, no, no.

00:43:00.780 That never happened in South Africa.

00:43:02.500 Look, that was something for the Australians and the Americans that they got to make peace with.

00:43:06.700 You know, we always joked in South Africa.

00:43:09.140 The reason they can talk so loud is they took their – they left their Bibles at homes and took their guns.

00:43:14.940 We took our Bibles and forgot our guns.

00:43:17.260 You know, so no, there was nothing ever of that sort happened in South Africa.

00:43:23.180 The greatest mass murder in South Africa, as a matter of fact, was white people that got killed by the English.

00:43:29.420 There was – after moving inland, the Boers, of course, started, like I said earlier, two small republics, Transvaal and Free State Republic.

00:43:37.720 And by the late 1800s, the English had – gold was found on the reef.

00:43:44.760 And, you know, the English basically sued for war eventually.

00:43:51.020 And a big war was fought between the Afrikaners and the English.

00:43:54.380 And it was some – it can be said that we fought the first real anti-imperialist war.

00:44:02.080 But about 20,000 to 30,000 Afrikaner women and children was herded into concentration camps by the English, where all kinds of diseases broke out.

00:44:12.020 There was insufficient food.

00:44:13.560 And it was a big emotional blow to us at the time.

00:44:17.820 So – but for killing indigenous black people, no, that never happened.

00:44:21.900 It's amazing what we're taught in school.

00:44:24.440 It's just like America.

00:44:25.760 So much disinfo surrounding the original pioneers that came to this country.

00:44:30.120 It just blows me away from the stuff I hear being taught in public schools, which, again, is government to blame.

00:44:36.100 They're brainwashing institutions.

00:44:38.540 But, Lana, isn't the internet a wonderful thing that all of a sudden you see people from various traditions coming together?

00:44:45.640 To me, it's just amazing.

00:44:46.560 I go to so many of these various chat groups and online forums, and you see all of a sudden free market anarchists and conspiracy theory people talking to each other.

00:44:57.920 All of a sudden, I find small tribal nationalists for the first time talking to cynicalist communists who want a type of decentralized systems, secessionist movements everywhere, talking to each other, talking to these different ideologies.

00:45:12.460 And I think it really opens up people's minds for the first time.

00:45:16.480 We can now really get more of the truth out there.

00:45:21.200 Oh, I agree.

00:45:22.020 I also think communities like Aranya is an inspiration for Europeans to also revolt against their government and break off into these mini-anarchist types of nations and be self-determined in the days of forced multiculturalism and government corruption.

00:45:36.300 Wouldn't you agree?

00:45:36.860 No, definitely.

00:45:38.540 I think it's a model that I said earlier can be used really by any ideology, any religious group, cultural group.

00:45:45.700 The thing about Aranya is that it's so open.

00:45:47.900 It's not trying to hide.

00:45:49.480 It's not being exclusive in who we allow in.

00:45:53.240 Anybody from any race can come in and take a look.

00:45:56.420 What makes it so unique is that they only have only one policy, and that's the policy of own labor.

00:46:03.600 It's for Afrikaners, and if Afrikaner wants to go live there, he has to do his own labor.

00:46:08.760 I can't go live on a piece of land and expect a whole bunch of Russians to come do my dirty work for me, but they don't have any political say.

00:46:17.760 Yeah.

00:46:17.920 So that is the principle on which it is built.

00:46:22.280 It is an expensive, I think, for Europeans and Americans it would be an expensive exercise.

00:46:28.680 It is definitely for us.

00:46:29.800 But we are sort of like the Jews.

00:46:31.980 We're in a diaspora type of situation.

00:46:34.780 It's an internal migration plan, you can say.

00:46:38.360 But I always thought for Europe the answer lies in localism and local revolts.

00:46:44.120 I think what people should do in Europe and America and in Africa too is stop arguing about which ideology reigns supreme because when people argue about politics, they're not arguing for themselves.

00:46:58.400 They're arguing for every other town, city, and village that they want to enforce their views on.

00:47:04.160 And I always thought the best answer is for people to literally take out their town's flags, city flags, raise them once a week, and burn the national flag.

00:47:13.340 That is a healthy nationalism, localism.

00:47:17.200 Yeah, I see the way it's going now with the birth rates and the mass third world immigration into Europe where it might be one of those things where people have to find a new homeland and all get together.

00:47:30.380 That's also a possibility.

00:47:31.820 I've read many of those arguments being flung around and some of the ideas coming up.

00:47:37.880 But, you know, it's all talk until you've taken the revolutionary step of actually, you know, buying that piece of land.

00:47:44.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:47:45.360 That's really the way to go.

00:47:46.720 And it takes time.

00:47:48.680 You know, people can get so psyched up about ideas, but it doesn't happen overnight.

00:47:54.160 I mean, we've proved that in Iran here.

00:47:56.900 It's taken a number of years.

00:47:58.120 The first 10 years was very, very hard for the pioneers.

00:48:02.040 You know, there was nothing there.

00:48:03.720 To start an economy from scratch, you know, it's not easy.

00:48:07.220 But now it is really growing.

00:48:10.340 Every year there's new construction, there's new businesses going up, and it's still baby steps.

00:48:15.300 I mean, the idea is for us to eventually, hopefully, establish a sort of semi-independent city-state.

00:48:22.100 But I think that's the way to go.

00:48:25.640 So, thinking of the ANC, I mean, I've seen a lot of their videos and their banners and heard their talks, and they're very violent.

00:48:32.400 So, how would they view a group like Aranya?

00:48:35.200 Are they going to come gun them all down one day?

00:48:38.960 No.

00:48:40.160 I think if you look at farm murders, I mean, where are people at most danger?

00:48:44.600 When they're with their own or, you know, living with strangers?

00:48:47.680 It's obviously living with strangers, not living with their own.

00:48:53.060 And there's high levels of trust in homogeneous territory.

00:48:56.940 People have the same religion.

00:48:58.380 There's less to argue about.

00:48:59.900 We can then argue about the stupid things in life instead of the hard things.

00:49:06.900 No.

00:49:07.540 Look, what happened, right, I think when Nelson Mandela was released, one of the interesting things that Professor Carl Bossoff of Urania did at the time is actually invited him over for tea.

00:49:17.680 He invited Nelson Mandela.

00:49:19.880 He said, you must come visit Urania.

00:49:21.600 And Nelson Mandela went to Urania, and he had a couple of cup of tea with Dan Bebsi Verwurt, which was Verwurt's daughter, and with Prof Bossoff.

00:49:33.360 And, you know, they showed him their town and said, look, this is what we want to do.

00:49:38.060 This is our town.

00:49:39.500 This is how it works.

00:49:40.760 Explained the concept to him.

00:49:43.060 And he went away.

00:49:45.200 There's no idea of maliciousness.

00:49:50.860 Later on, the current president has also visited the town on an invitation.

00:49:55.320 So, there's not a malicious view of it.

00:50:00.400 I think what happens when different ethnic groups tackle one another is when there's competition for economic resources.

00:50:09.780 You know, it's like the question, Lana, I can ask you.

00:50:13.160 Do you hate Iceland?

00:50:14.500 Oh, let me roll with a point.

00:50:15.560 Do you hate Eskimos?

00:50:17.640 No.

00:50:18.740 No.

00:50:19.100 How many Eskimos lives next to you?

00:50:20.900 Next to you?

00:50:21.900 Zero.

00:50:22.780 They're up in Alaska, far away.

00:50:25.060 So, when there's space between you and whatever group, there can be no hatred.

00:50:33.760 You cannot hate something that you're not in competition with.

00:50:39.160 And I think when you look at all the mass murders that happened between the Hutus and the Tutsis up there in North Africa,

00:50:46.680 you know, there was another genocide that was just terrible.

00:50:49.280 But they live in the same country.

00:50:53.220 They're competing for political power.

00:50:55.240 They're competing for economical resources.

00:50:58.460 And, you know, what you get in the end is a genocide.

00:51:03.040 People are interesting.

00:51:04.240 I mean, people so show to the right wing as fascists.

00:51:07.380 And when they pun multiculturalism, I always point out Hitler, interestingly enough, did not come from a homogeneous Germany.

00:51:15.860 He came from a multicultural Austria.

00:51:17.720 Hmm.

00:51:20.480 Yeah.

00:51:22.100 He never knew a homogeneous Germany until he probably moved.

00:51:27.420 He lived in a multicultural Austria where the Austrians were vastly becoming a sudden minority between various other ethnic groups that lived there at the time.

00:51:36.440 Look, Austria at the time was a much bigger country.

00:51:38.460 So, it is that that causes the hatred.

00:51:44.440 But I don't think exclusivity is for everybody.

00:51:48.120 Some things like tribe or nation or folk or race is not important to all people.

00:51:52.740 There's always going to be people to whom it doesn't mean anything.

00:51:56.400 That's right.

00:51:56.740 Who doesn't care.

00:51:57.440 But that's fine.

00:52:00.000 We shouldn't enforce those to whom these things are important.

00:52:04.140 We should not enforce those views on others to whom it is not.

00:52:08.200 But the vice versa of that is just as important.

00:52:11.000 Because when I think you have – you're going to use your country now as an example.

00:52:17.280 You have a town there in your country that is 100% homogeneous.

00:52:20.660 When strange Arabs and Nigerians all of a sudden move in there and some individual wants to discriminate on who he wants to serve in his restaurant, he should be allowed to do that.

00:52:34.620 Because the moment government intervenes, then what you get is actually just another form of racial, cultural enforcement on people, which is wrong.

00:52:47.460 Well, here in America now, they try and say race doesn't exist.

00:52:50.960 It's a social construct.

00:52:52.080 But then they're trying to implement race-based affirmative action.

00:52:57.680 So which way do you want it?

00:53:00.000 Yeah, we have a social construct of affirmative action.

00:53:05.420 The interesting thing is we have affirmative action in South Africa.

00:53:08.700 Yeah, I was reading that.

00:53:10.600 In favor of a 90% majority.

00:53:13.660 So, you know, we have affirmative action for the 90% black population.

00:53:20.200 Then we have on top of that, we have black economic empowerment, which means any company that wants to do business with government should have at least 50% of its shares in the hands of black people.

00:53:32.100 Now we have broad-based black economic empowerment, which means any company that deals with government, all their suppliers must be BBE.

00:53:39.000 So, you know, you can go on and on and on about these things.

00:53:44.320 It's just, it's incredible.

00:53:45.520 It's race-based policies and then race is a social construct.

00:53:51.160 This is why I'm trying to get a lot of these free market anarchists to see the conspiracy behind multiculturalism and how it's government pushing all of these policies and ideas.

00:54:00.660 Yeah, no, it's, look, I think that's important.

00:54:04.280 That's why I enjoy, I see you had Keith Preston on your program.

00:54:07.180 Yeah.

00:54:07.260 That's why I also enjoy his program very much.

00:54:10.720 Very, very good program.

00:54:12.140 And I think he fuses a little bit of that.

00:54:15.100 Although he doesn't come quite from the free market Rothbardian tradition.

00:54:20.240 He's definitely, I think, fused a lot of good ideas together there.

00:54:23.280 Look, if we, once we can get, just, like I said, it's all about personal choices.

00:54:30.740 Lots of people enjoy multiculturalism, love living in multicultural settings, find it maybe slightly bohemian.

00:54:37.600 That's fine.

00:54:38.600 I mean, nothing more.

00:54:40.120 But for those of us who don't want it, it's being forced on us and how's that fair?

00:54:44.560 Like I said, the moment government makes discrimination illegal, what it does is it enforces it on you.

00:54:54.760 And that's the problem.

00:54:56.780 So are the events in South Africa something white Americans can learn from?

00:55:00.540 I like how you guys are tougher on the politically correct stuff.

00:55:06.160 I see trouble for America when it comes to your Mexican immigration.

00:55:10.380 I mean, I think both the left and the right is just – you don't want to give the government – you know, they are all libertarian.

00:55:18.680 And I don't want to give the government the power to say here's a border and nobody can cross it.

00:55:23.360 How would people trade?

00:55:24.900 That's just slightly backwards.

00:55:28.000 But simply making personal discrimination legal, just like what they call the war on drugs.

00:55:36.640 You know, just as making marijuana illegal will up the price, you know, it has consequences.

00:55:45.340 Everything government does has consequences.

00:55:48.100 But when you look at how Mexicans are coming into America from the data and information I get, it looks like if they're going to – and a lot of them come in as manual labor.

00:55:57.780 However, those neighborhoods might still feel American, but, you know, over time, it's going to change.

00:56:06.440 Whites are becoming a minority.

00:56:08.920 Yes.

00:56:09.800 And it happens so quickly.

00:56:11.720 You know, it takes three generations for one to have a low birth rate and the other one to have a high birth rate.

00:56:17.840 And the situation just changes drastically.

00:56:21.800 And everything changes then.

00:56:25.060 And people say, oh, you deserve it because you stole the land from the Indians who stole the land from other Indians who stole the land from Spanish.

00:56:31.800 But they always forget how many Indians committed genocide against other Indians.

00:56:36.780 Well, of course.

00:56:37.600 Am I correct?

00:56:38.740 Yeah.

00:56:39.680 Yeah?

00:56:40.200 No, see, they forget that.

00:56:43.880 They just – they use collective guilt.

00:56:47.860 I think it was Dr. Professor – I can't remember his name right now – who said it's actually a replacement theology when you look at political correctness.

00:57:00.920 It has like – like Christianity has original sin.

00:57:04.960 But political correctness, it has this replacement theology of, you know, if you're born a white male, that's the original sin.

00:57:11.100 It's just –

00:57:11.760 We're getting hit hard with that right now.

00:57:13.520 It just blows me away.

00:57:15.120 And I just hope that these white men, particularly straight white men, wake up to this agenda and start toughening up.

00:57:22.820 Yes, definitely.

00:57:23.620 But I think, like I said, the Internet's a wonderful invention and people are now talking to each other and radicals from all sides, left to right, libertarian, are starting to learn each other's views better.

00:57:37.160 And hopefully we'll see movements in the future come out of this that can actually reap some rewards.

00:57:42.180 Because I still think the answer lies in secession, you know, local secession of any kind.

00:57:48.560 I don't care if it's left-wing or right-wing.

00:57:51.700 Seceding of government is definitely the way to go.

00:57:55.300 And if it can be done building up city-states, that's probably, I would say, the best answer to the problems.

00:58:04.300 Because then you have real democracy.

00:58:07.680 It's not democracy when somebody in Canada votes on what the policy should be for somebody in Florida in America or vice versa.

00:58:19.280 I mean, how can that be self-government?

00:58:23.680 You know, the word democracy or mass democracy, it's anything but self-rule.

00:58:29.500 It's not self-determination.

00:58:31.080 It's a lot of things, but it's not self-rule.

00:58:34.780 It's mob rule.

00:58:35.840 It's about the collective and the individual has to sacrifice.

00:58:40.880 Yeah, it's not freedom.

00:58:42.380 It's definitely not freedom.

00:58:44.680 And unfortunately, people take interest in weapons of mass distraction like rugby, football, soccer, instead of politics and ideologies.

00:58:54.440 But that's the way it always will be.

00:58:57.040 And that's why I don't think that people should have a right to vote on how other people's social lives should be organized or how their economics, goods, and services should be distributed.

00:59:11.140 I mean, if you wanted a really fair democracy, point number one should be that no government official should be allowed to vote.

00:59:17.000 Any company that does business with a government should not be allowed to vote because they can vote themselves favors.

00:59:24.080 And anybody who works for government from a school teacher to a postman should not be allowed to vote because he can vote himself favors.

00:59:35.240 It's immoral.

00:59:36.280 It's an immoral system and it's a system that's sold to the world as the best system there is.

00:59:43.620 And it's not.

00:59:43.940 We go bomb other people to bring them democracy.

00:59:46.760 Great.

00:59:47.240 Yeah, that is, I find, that I find very odd when America runs into places like Iraq and Afghanistan and you look, and I use the term worldview because different cultures, different racial groups, different people have different worldviews, different individuals have different worldviews.

01:00:07.180 But when you go into a place like Iraq and think you're going to turn them into a liberal democracy, then you don't know Iraq.

01:00:17.540 And I've never been there.

01:00:18.640 And I can tell you that.

01:00:20.540 And the best answer you probably had, as far as I understand this, about three, what you can call ethnic groups, although these are more, the ethnic groups are more religious in nature.

01:00:32.020 So you have the Sunnis and the Shunis.

01:00:35.340 I think I'm pronouncing it right.

01:00:36.520 And the Kurda, to the north, if you really wanted an answer, the best answer was probably to give each one of those three a separate country from the start.

01:00:46.500 Yeah.

01:00:47.280 And then ensure somewhat of rights for border towns and allow independent towns.

01:00:54.760 Because what you would have is, and that's one of those paradoxes of nationalism when you do it state-wise, not when the nationalism is not tied to an identity or folk.

01:01:05.200 I mean, it is tied to a state.

01:01:08.240 It's like in Ukraine now.

01:01:10.060 You can draw a border.

01:01:11.160 I mean, Americans, I think, were baffled.

01:01:12.980 You know, why are these Americans storming the Ukrainians?

01:01:15.720 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

01:01:16.680 It's Russians in Ukraine.

01:01:18.240 They are ethnic Russians.

01:01:19.480 And you can even take the East Ukraine, cut it off, and say, here's the Russian portion.

01:01:25.660 But you'll always find towns that are Ukrainian on the Russian side, Russians on the Ukrainian side, and towns that are mixed to various degrees.

01:01:36.520 You cannot cut a straight line ever.

01:01:38.780 And that's why I think to try and get it as homogeneous as possible, but then always allow independent cities, independent towns, independent city states, so that we can kind of avoid the kind of rampage, murder, and bloodshed.

01:01:56.360 It's foolish that these globalists, basically our governments, have been hijacked, as you know, and they're trying to bring in this one-world monoculture.

01:02:06.200 So part of that, what's standing in the way, is those nations.

01:02:09.040 So they need to erode nationalism.

01:02:11.340 That's why they make these nationalists look like Nazis all the time.

01:02:15.140 Yeah, but I think, unfortunately, Lana, I think you understand the concept, but a lot of Americans don't know what nationalism is.

01:02:22.000 No.

01:02:22.240 So they immediately take this word and, like I said, to them it equals the state.

01:02:30.900 And it's not – I always laugh when Obama or any American president said, this nation – and I was – which nation are you talking about?

01:02:38.340 Yeah.

01:02:38.460 Are you talking about African-American nation?

01:02:40.140 Are you talking about those southern brothers?

01:02:42.720 Are you talking about which nation?

01:02:45.180 You can always be specific which nation.

01:02:47.160 America is not a nation.

01:02:48.500 It's a country.

01:02:49.480 Yeah.

01:02:49.640 There's a difference.

01:02:51.080 A nation has nothing to do with the state.

01:02:54.900 Yes.

01:02:55.340 And when they run into countries like Iraq or wherever, then they obviously don't understand why this nation speaks different languages and don't want to live together.

01:03:06.600 It's also this foolish notion that we're all the same and we can all get along in our rainbow new world order together and hold hands and sing one song together.

01:03:14.940 Yeah, I mean it's just madness.

01:03:17.100 You're always going to have people with different views.

01:03:19.800 And like I said, the problem is that with the modern states, it's unfortunately that whatever view is in the majority gets enforced on the rest.

01:03:31.700 And this is called legal.

01:03:34.360 It's not.

01:03:36.160 Mass democracy to me is just terrible.

01:03:39.140 I mean you take – Lana, do you have something like the lotto?

01:03:43.680 We have the lotto.

01:03:45.260 Yeah, we have that.

01:03:45.880 Gambling?

01:03:46.480 You have lottery there?

01:03:47.380 Yeah.

01:03:48.040 Yeah.

01:03:48.480 Well, I don't know if you've ever worked out the odds of winning.

01:03:52.940 You know, you do the multiplication of all the odds on them.

01:03:57.360 You get to a figure.

01:03:59.400 Then you take a country like India, which is the world's biggest mass democracy, and you take one vote per the total number of votes, and your chance of winning the lottery is a lot better than actually making a difference.

01:04:14.820 Wow.

01:04:16.040 That's amazing.

01:04:17.720 I mean, and that's why I'm saying democracy cannot be called self-rule.

01:04:22.700 It can be called a lot of things, but self-rule it is not.

01:04:25.160 Self-determination it is not.

01:04:27.360 I mean, when your odds of winning a lottery ticket is more than making a difference on any government policy, it's ridiculous.

01:04:41.180 And in any case, would you really want to?

01:04:43.520 Again, I don't want to enforce my views on anybody.

01:04:47.640 It's unfair.

01:04:48.460 It's unfair when they do it to me.

01:04:49.660 Why should I do it to them?

01:04:51.260 It's not right.

01:04:52.040 I think a lot of people are not Democrats.

01:04:54.780 What they are are demon-crats.

01:04:58.160 You know what a demon-crat is?

01:05:00.440 I have an idea.

01:05:01.680 A demon-crat is somebody who votes to keep out evil.

01:05:05.740 So he doesn't – I think 40% of all voters at least must be demon-crats.

01:05:12.300 They vote for – in your case now, they would vote Republican just to keep those evil Democrats out.

01:05:17.880 They agree with nothing that these Republicans say, but at least the Democrats are.

01:05:22.460 And at least 40% will vote Democrat.

01:05:25.020 They wouldn't agree with anything with the Democrats.

01:05:28.220 They just vote to keep these demonic Republicans out.

01:05:32.260 But when you're doing that, you're voting for the lesser of two evils.

01:05:37.540 And you shouldn't then be surprised if you always get evil in power.

01:05:41.340 There's really no difference anymore between the neocons and the Democrats in America.

01:05:47.860 I think that's why you're seeing the rise of more libertarians.

01:05:50.340 And at least that's a step in the right direction.

01:05:52.140 That's why I support them on certain issues.

01:05:54.280 Yes, definitely, me too.

01:05:58.100 I think white nationalists and a lot of ethnic nationalists, unfortunately, miss the bus again on certain issues.

01:06:06.580 A lot of them, when I read their comments on some of their political chat groups, some of them still – they want a strong stake.

01:06:16.220 You would sometimes read this.

01:06:18.340 And I think that they misunderstand their own affliction, you know.

01:06:25.060 It's just you don't want to repeat the problems you have.

01:06:28.600 You want to eliminate them.

01:06:30.200 So when I – especially, I mean, even conservative groups in Europe, like I used French National, the French Right Party,

01:06:40.600 who's pandering to all kinds of leftist economic ideas.

01:06:43.560 When they – when the right wing – even if you get a bunch of nationalists together, of any grouping, I don't care where in the world,

01:06:52.280 if it's India or somewhere in Africa, and they were to get their own state,

01:06:58.680 if they were to enact the kind of socialist policies, you'd simply get a repeat of the problem.

01:07:07.620 You're either going to get people that you don't want, or you're simply going to bankrupt the country before it's capable of producing any wealth whatsoever.

01:07:17.240 Why can't they have more of a libertarian or free market nationalism?

01:07:20.440 Let's try that.

01:07:21.100 That hasn't been tried.

01:07:22.400 That hasn't been tried.

01:07:24.340 That has not been tried, indeed.

01:07:26.280 But I think that's definitely the way to go.

01:07:29.020 So would you say South Africa, with their government structure right now, do you have more freedom there than we do up here?

01:07:35.260 I would say probably yes.

01:07:37.620 As far as taxes and regulations and laws and –

01:07:43.460 Oh, well, you know, it's heaping up here as well.

01:07:47.520 I think in the past we probably had a little bit more freedom.

01:07:50.680 But then you can have – look, you can have a lot of economic freedom, but if you can't move, you know,

01:08:00.200 there's areas I can't go to or I wouldn't go to because it's just dangerous and stupid to do so.

01:08:10.220 So – but it's difficult for me to say I really don't know what the tax rates are like in America.

01:08:16.940 Since Obama's come in, we're pretty much a socialist country now.

01:08:20.360 So, you know, everyone I talk to is like, I'm just getting more and more money taken out of my check.

01:08:28.840 So, welcome.

01:08:29.480 Well, but, you know, people, Lana, unfortunately, like I said, weapons of mass distraction.

01:08:35.740 They would watch football and cricket and what you call it, baseball in your country and not really understand the problems.

01:08:43.880 Just the other day I read – I think it was the Mises Institute that put something on Facebook there where they shared it and it was some woman in Texas who said she doesn't understand what's going on.

01:08:57.840 She voted for the best rails in the city.

01:09:01.040 She voted for government to build this and government to build this and she voted for government to do this and now she just can't afford to live here anymore.

01:09:08.700 And I thought, you know, you would think that she could kind of like figure out those two things are somehow related.

01:09:17.160 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:18.500 I mean, it's just so obvious.

01:09:20.880 But unfortunately, you know, people just don't always see how certain things are related.

01:09:27.380 When they vote for free housing, they vote – yeah, by us, it's free housing that they want to vote for.

01:09:33.920 Oh, it is – oh, free – you know, our schools are now free.

01:09:39.280 It's not – the quality of education might be a different debate.

01:09:44.580 You get – there's free healthcare.

01:09:47.400 There's hospitals.

01:09:48.460 There's public hospitals.

01:09:49.340 You don't necessarily want to go to them.

01:09:53.440 And, yeah, we have a new party called the Economic Freedom Fighters who don't believe in economic freedom.

01:09:59.640 They're a socialist party who call themselves Economic Freedom Fighters.

01:10:02.300 And I've read their page and it's for government to start a construction company, for government to have a cement factory, for government to do this, government to do that.

01:10:11.720 But when government does these type of things, eventually, you know, there's just – and then they don't understand why there is so much joblessness, why people don't have jobs.

01:10:23.180 Because government is taking all that money out of the productive economy and putting it unproductively into the free housing, the free education, the free hospitals, the free whatever.

01:10:38.520 That's not free.

01:10:39.760 These ideas are so basic that I can't believe that we have to sit here and actually even explain some of these things to people.

01:10:48.220 And you have to do it over and over and over.

01:10:51.340 Yeah.

01:10:51.540 Because every second day you're going to meet somebody who's going to say, you know, we need higher minimum wages.

01:11:00.580 And then you first have to explain to them, you can't do that.

01:11:04.020 When you do that, this is what happens.

01:11:07.100 Next one comes and you have to explain it to them.

01:11:10.420 Like I said, I think the nationalists, a lot of them, ethnic nationalists worldwide, can learn a lot from the libertarian movements.

01:11:16.680 And libertarians on their side must just be a little bit more open to people who don't want to live with people who are different from them.

01:11:26.580 And just toleration.

01:11:28.880 There was a good word once.

01:11:30.720 Toleration was once a very good word in the Europe of the religious persecutions.

01:11:35.660 Toleration became important when Protestants and Catholics and all kinds of groups wanted to kill each other.

01:11:44.800 It was a good word that meant a separation of state and religion is what we got to from it.

01:11:51.700 And I think the same thing is we need the same thing in terms of ethnicity and race.

01:11:57.540 It's a separation.

01:11:59.760 The state shouldn't be able to see which ethnicity it is or which race it is.

01:12:04.060 So that if it is a multicultural school or a multicultural chess club, government shouldn't intervene to make it homogeneous.

01:12:15.340 But if it is a whites-only chess club or a blacks-only chess club, government shouldn't be able to intervene either.

01:12:22.440 We need a separation of state and race, state of ethnicity.

01:12:30.280 Adi, please give out your website details and any other info you'd like to share.

01:12:35.180 You can take, first of all, I think I spoke a little bit about Orania.

01:12:38.540 Not nearly enough.

01:12:40.100 It's a very interesting town.

01:12:41.700 Those who want to visit it can always go www.orania.co.za.

01:12:50.320 It's Orania, O-R-A-N-I-A dot C-O dot Z-A.

01:12:55.280 I have a little anarchist website.

01:12:59.240 It's in Afrikaans, so I don't know if anybody's going to be able to follow that.

01:13:05.360 Google Translate?

01:13:06.720 Yeah, Google Translate might work.

01:13:09.580 It's basically www.anargisme.wordpress.com.

01:13:18.120 I really appreciate you taking the time for us today.

01:13:21.320 It's been great hearing from a distant fellow European, and I wish you all the best.

01:13:25.480 Thanks, Lorna.

01:13:26.100 Same to you.

01:13:27.340 I don't know about you guys and gals, but my heart goes out to the Afrikaner people.

01:13:31.480 My relentless drive is to see white folks in European countries begin to put on the mental armor

01:13:37.360 and join in the battle against those who seek to destroy the European people and the European spirit.

01:13:43.760 Ignore accusations of racism.

01:13:46.120 Don't surrender to political correctness, for this is a weapon of mass destruction.

01:13:50.420 Rid yourself of the lie that whites are the problem in the world.

01:13:53.640 These lies are told in hopes of affecting the European mind like a virus

01:13:57.380 in order to make us cower, submit, and relinquish all that our ancestors have created.

01:14:02.120 If you honestly look, you will see the long-term agenda that has rapidly been set in motion.

01:14:07.940 All have been slaves and all have battled and conquered lands,

01:14:10.980 but none has been so generous and kind as the European men and women

01:14:14.180 who brought the ideas of equality and prosperity to this planet.

01:14:18.320 When disaster strikes in the world or where people are hungry,

01:14:21.460 the world cries out to European nations to help them.

01:14:24.780 No other people is so giving as Europeans.

01:14:27.320 None have opened their borders and given welfare, shelter,

01:14:30.360 and protection as the European men and women have.

01:14:33.500 And none other have given the world a plethora of inventions as the Europeans.

01:14:37.940 We open our doors and look what it has given to us.

01:14:40.760 A growing population of mostly ungrateful, hateful people

01:14:44.360 who openly rejoice in knowing that soon whites may be a minority in their homelands.

01:14:49.680 And if you want to know how whites are treated as a minority,

01:14:52.600 just look to South Africa as an example.

01:14:54.880 It's time to wake up because while you sleep,

01:14:57.100 hate groups are openly calling for the destruction and takeover

01:15:00.380 of European lands and way of life.

01:15:03.180 Women, do you want your children growing up being told

01:15:05.200 that they should carry shame for simply existing

01:15:07.280 or that they're racist for caring about their culture?

01:15:10.400 Because that is what the school system is teaching.

01:15:12.560 That is what the media is teaching.

01:15:14.560 That's what the politically correct government is teaching.

01:15:16.820 And that's what entertainment is showing.

01:15:18.880 Women, wisen up.

01:15:20.260 And if you love your children, pull them out of these institutions.

01:15:23.220 Women, if you love your men, you will be loud and disapprove

01:15:27.200 of anti-straight white male propaganda.

01:15:29.920 For who else will protect you?

01:15:31.560 No one.

01:15:32.400 And if you are an immigrant or a non-white person

01:15:34.440 who disapproves of the systematic destruction of white homelands and culture,

01:15:38.660 then speak up.

01:15:39.960 Defend your fellow friends and neighbors.

01:15:41.960 God knows whites have battled for others, even died for others.

01:15:45.480 In America, statues of iconic white men are being taken down.

01:15:48.680 Schools that whites built are being renamed in honor of Mexican communist revolutionaries.

01:15:54.800 This is a takeover.

01:15:56.700 As their numbers quickly increase,

01:15:58.380 immigrants in European lands openly admit their plans to use democracy

01:16:02.180 to destroy our way of life.

01:16:04.320 And all the while, they get paid a welfare check.

01:16:08.000 Ignore colonialism disinfo.

01:16:09.880 At least small colonies of Europeans during the age of exploration

01:16:13.220 brought ideas of private property, trade, farming, geography, technology,

01:16:19.200 infrastructures, domestication of animals, the wheel.

01:16:22.640 We get higher taxes, crime, disease, third world poverty, low IQ,

01:16:27.440 and all the while, whites are told they can't organize and protect their interests

01:16:31.100 because that is racist.

01:16:32.940 Right now, Obama is literally allowing criminals to walk through the border from Mexico.

01:16:38.540 Ask yourself why.

01:16:39.920 If you don't feel an urgency in your DNA to unite with your European brothers and sisters

01:16:44.940 to preserve your way of life,

01:16:46.880 to say no to government policies designed to destroy you,

01:16:50.220 then you're already dead.

01:16:51.800 Diversity is not our strength, and it is not a moral cause.

01:16:56.100 Each time you submit to political correctness and support anti-white policies,

01:17:00.060 you are contributing to the downfall of your brothers and sisters.

01:17:03.880 It's time for pagans and Christians to come together for a united cause.

01:17:07.740 Realize we are the lion, not the lion tamer.

01:17:11.700 We've become too nice, too passive, and too trusting, and too optimistic.

01:17:17.160 Meanwhile, our governments have been hijacked,

01:17:19.160 and for each moment we don't unite and organize,

01:17:21.980 Zionist policies and cultural Marxism is chipping away,

01:17:25.480 raping Europa a little every day.

01:17:28.000 Link up with your people, find them, build your networks,

01:17:30.920 and resist the programming,

01:17:32.080 because every minute you don't, extremist groups in your country

01:17:35.160 are plotting their systematic takeover with great fervor.

01:17:38.500 Just as years ago when Red Ice was on the forefront discussing topics

01:17:41.720 that were not mainstream alternative yet,

01:17:44.340 people shunned us only to return years later to say,

01:17:47.040 you were right.

01:17:48.000 The same will apply for the topic of multiculturalism

01:17:50.760 and the systematic destruction of white Europeans.

01:17:53.800 New to this subject,

01:17:55.100 I urge you to go back into our radio archives and read our news posts.

01:17:58.500 Get knowledgeable on what is going on in the homelands of your ancestors.

01:18:02.760 Our ancestors' strength and wisdom is a part of us.

01:18:05.560 It's in our DNA,

01:18:06.540 and we can tap into that strength and revitalize what we've suppressed.

01:18:10.480 That is precisely what the lion tamer doesn't want,

01:18:13.180 but it's coming, and he knows it.

01:18:15.420 That is why they fear more than anything else

01:18:17.640 when a group of white men join together.

01:18:20.260 If you thought KKK when I just said that,

01:18:22.400 you have successfully been programmed by anti-whites.

01:18:25.560 If you'd like to be part of the resistance,

01:18:27.320 and if you're supportive of what we do here at Red Ice,

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01:18:43.320 Thanks for listening, and I wish you all a pleasant day or night.

01:18:45.880 Keep me locked up in your broken mind

01:18:49.440 I keep searching

01:18:51.820 Never been able to find a light behind your dead eyes

01:18:58.280 Not anything at all

01:19:02.100 You keep living in your own lie

01:19:06.920 Ever deceitful

01:19:09.580 And ever unfaithful

01:19:11.860 Keep me guessing

01:19:13.740 Keep me terrified

01:19:15.240 Take everything from my world

01:19:20.080 I'll say, can you help me

01:19:31.720 Right before the fall

01:19:33.520 Take what you can

01:19:35.660 And lead me to the walls

01:19:38.040 Keep me dumb

01:19:39.960 Keep me paralyzed

01:19:41.720 Why try swimming

01:19:44.020 I'm drowning in fable

01:19:46.520 You're not that saint that you externalize

01:19:50.460 You're not anything else

01:19:53.960 It's oh so playful

01:19:57.340 When you demonize

01:19:59.320 To spit out the hateful

01:20:01.920 You're willing and able

01:20:04.040 Your words are weapons of the terrified

01:20:07.700 You're nothing in my world

01:20:12.260 I'll say can you help me right before the fall

01:20:25.880 Take what you can and lead me to the walls

01:20:30.420 All I really want is something here and far to say

01:20:34.600 Keep me guessing, keep me terrified

01:20:38.200 All I really want is something here and far to say

01:20:43.360 Keep me living in your own life

01:20:47.260 All I really want is something here and far to say

01:20:52.060 To never fade away, I wanna live forever

01:20:56.180 All I really want is something here and far to say

01:21:00.680 To never fade away, I wanna live forever

01:21:04.920 Keep living in your own life

01:21:09.080 Keep me guessing, keep me terrified

01:21:13.980 All I really want is something beautiful to say

01:21:18.280 I'll say can you help me right before the fall

01:21:35.680 Take what you can and lead me to the walls

01:21:40.240 All I really want is something here and far to say

01:21:44.400 Words are the weapons of the terrified

01:21:48.000 All I really want is something here and far to say

01:21:53.180 Keep me guessing, keep me terrified

01:21:56.680 All I really want is something here and far to say

01:22:01.860 To never fade away, I wanna live forever

01:22:06.040 All I really want is something here and far to say

01:22:11.200 To never fade away, I wanna live forever

01:22:15.100 To never fade away, I wanna live forever

01:22:16.480 Whateverこっち

01:22:17.060 To never fade away, I wanna live forever

01:22:18.400 I wanna live forever

01:22:20.280 zusammen

01:22:20.980 Death

01:22:21.660 Death

01:22:21.760 Death

01:22:22.600 Death

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01:22:23.560 Death

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01:22:24.760 Death

01:22:25.540 Death

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Radio 3Fourteen - June 18, 2014

Post-Apartheid South Africa _ Afrikaner Self Determination

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