Radio 3Fourteen - Pro-White Christianity _ How Church Has Become Anti-White

00:00:00.000 Welcome, ladies and gents. I'm Lana, your hostess for the next hour. The show will focus

00:00:19.000 on pro-white, alt-right Christianity. How did the mainstream church become so anti-white?

00:00:24.860 While I myself appreciate pre-Christian tradition and spirituality, I know many of our

00:00:29.940 listeners are Christians, but many are also opposed to Christianity for its all-inclusiveness.

00:00:35.760 There's no way around it. The alt-right is diverse when it comes to spirituality,

00:00:39.700 but there are big things we do have in common when it comes to the future of Europeans.

00:00:44.180 My guests are Adam and Mary Gray from the show Good Morning, White America, which explores the

00:00:48.980 idea of being pro-white and Christian. Mary is also the author of a children's book called Walls and

00:00:54.140 Fences. The book gives an easy explanation of national borders, self-defense, and property

00:00:59.440 rights for young kids. I ask Adam and Mary about some of the common, kucky responses used by modern

00:01:05.900 day Christians, such as this big one. We're all God's children and home is in heaven, so open borders 1.00

00:01:11.740 and multiculturalism is good. They also offer their view on the concept of turning the other cheek,

00:01:17.980 the relationship between Jews and Christianity, and Jesus as a Jew. But I also ask about the effects

00:01:23.980 of Christianity as a global faith, and also how they relate to our pre-Christian ancestors.

00:01:29.800 I think this conversation is a happy middle between paganism and pro-white Christianity. 0.84

00:01:34.860 Adam and Mary Gray, up next.

00:01:36.920 Adam and Mary Gray, welcome. Thanks for being here.

00:01:40.140 Thanks for having us.

00:01:41.000 It's awesome to be here. Thank you.

00:01:42.280 So it's Adam like Adam and Eve, and Mary like Mary and Joseph, right? 0.89

00:01:46.440 That's right.

00:01:46.940 Well, I have to say, my dad, I can top you there, because my dad's parents were Mary and

00:01:53.400 Joseph, and he was born on Christmas.

00:01:56.620 Wow.

00:01:57.940 But no, my dad is not Jewish. He's not Jewish. 0.98

00:02:00.180 So Adam, you said that you had to go through a wide-ranging search of, you know, religious

00:02:08.200 and philosophical and political systems in order to find where you are now. So tell us about

00:02:13.480 this journey.

00:02:15.040 Sure. And yeah, yeah. So I grew up in a nominally Christian household, went to church now and then,

00:02:22.500 but didn't have, really, it was just like something you did. And it wasn't even like

00:02:26.520 every week or something. I basically knew nothing except, by the time I was about 13,

00:02:31.820 I basically knew nothing about God, except that there was, like, I heard there was one,

00:02:37.320 there's this place you go, there's this cross in the sky who died for me, and you take communion.

00:02:42.900 And that was literally about it. Until about, right around 13, God became very, very real

00:02:50.340 to me. And so at that point, that's when I started to pick up the Bible and try to figure

00:02:56.900 it out. I had nobody to show me anything. And it was like, I compare the next, like, five

00:03:04.100 or six years of my life to, like, God randomly, like, dropping parachutes with little truths,

00:03:08.160 or little red pills, we'll call it that. Like, a little red pill, maybe once every couple of years.

00:03:14.040 So that got me from being, like, a real relativist and pluralist, thinking that all paths led to God.

00:03:22.480 And you can be, I was pro-choice. I was pro-abortion, you know. I grew up in a Democrat household,

00:03:27.740 hardcore. Not totally SJW, but not far off, to be honest with you. I was very much on that trajectory.

00:03:32.940 Um, but, but by the middle of college, I had gotten sorted out to the point where I was like,

00:03:37.900 oh, no, the Bible is inerrant. I can trust it. It is my authority. Um, and so I learned 1.00

00:03:43.500 kind of like the standard evangelical core doctrines. Jesus is the only way, you know,

00:03:48.420 read the Bible, pray, spread the gospel, those sorts of things, be pure, morally pure,

00:03:52.680 um, those sorts of things. And that really helped me out a lot. Then I ran into my missus here,

00:03:57.940 um, a couple of years after that. And then we kind of together morphed, um, into being more

00:04:04.260 explicitly Protestant, reformed Christians. Um, and then after that, um, we got red-pilled on

00:04:11.120 race and on the JQ. Uh, and I can talk a little bit more about that, but, um, but, but, but in that,

00:04:16.560 in those years where I, like I said, like I was still like really kind of lost, um, I went down a lot,

00:04:22.740 a lot of wrong paths, thankfully not too destructive. Um, but I definitely dabbled in,

00:04:28.440 uh, uh, like religious, religiously and philosophically and things that I,

00:04:32.920 things that are invading Europe and America right now, put it that way. Um, things that

00:04:36.400 are undermining our civilization. So I definitely looked into Judaism, Islam, uh, secularism,

00:04:40.960 hedonism, communism, um, looked into all those things and like, kind of like stuck my toe in those

00:04:46.800 waters. Um, but again, thankfully, like I could never, I could never turn away from the cross.

00:04:51.920 Once I got that on an emotional and intellectual level, um, I was literally like, I could not turn

00:04:58.240 away if I wanted to. And it's, and it's been that way ever since. So for me, God is somebody that,

00:05:02.520 and the word of God, the Bible is something where I can run as hard as I can in the opposite

00:05:07.120 direction, but I have to admit that that's true. And I got to come back no matter, no matter what.

00:05:11.460 So here we are.

00:05:13.040 As a hold on you. And it's true when you, as a couple, when you're on the same page spiritually,

00:05:17.040 that's very important. And then you wake up to these things politically, it really binds you as a

00:05:21.200 couple. It makes you very strong. I say that when you both understand that there's an existential

00:05:25.500 threat, you know, you really work hard together. Now, Mary, what about your background? Were you

00:05:30.580 always Christian and more kind of on the alt-right side of things, or what was it like for you?

00:05:36.220 Okay. So I grew up in, um, church definitely. Um, and I went to a non-denominational,

00:05:43.120 national inner city church. And so it had a lot of minorities and, um, a lot of mixed couples and

00:05:52.240 was really, um, I mean, I, I was like a hardcore cuck. I was, I was definitely a good little girl,

00:05:58.820 you know, and I would correct my parents if I thought they were saying something racist.

00:06:03.500 So I was just really trying to do what I thought was right, you know, um, and, and Christian and

00:06:10.940 everything. Um, and then Adam and I got married and about three years into our marriage, he started

00:06:17.580 to look at these websites that kind of got me concerned because they were alt-right ish.

00:06:24.800 Yeah, they were, yeah, exactly. And so I'm like, Oh no, what is happening to my husband?

00:06:31.320 You know, I was like, ah, I'm terrified, you know? Um, but the more I, I, I just, I tried very hard to

00:06:39.740 stay open. I was, I was scared, but I really wanted to be, have an open relationship with

00:06:44.320 him. And, um, we both had established that, you know, if it's true, we're going to follow

00:06:50.000 after it, no matter what, no matter the sacrifices that would have to be made. And, um, so I was

00:06:56.020 open and I think my turning point came when I asked him, okay, well, you know, what would

00:07:03.660 you do with all of the people that are non-white, but are Christian, you know? And, um, he said,

00:07:11.220 well, they can have their own society. They can have their own place to live just over

00:07:15.580 there, like their own place to live. There's no reason why we can't have our own place.

00:07:20.740 And after I heard that, I was like, Oh, okay. So you're not like one of those evil racists

00:07:26.800 that, you know, kill everyone. Cause really what we want is just a place for ourselves. 0.85

00:07:32.340 We want a place to raise our children and have them be proud to be white. You know, 0.96

00:07:38.320 there's no shame in that. And so, um, that, that was definitely my turning point. Then I

00:07:43.640 started to be more open to it. And we read a lot of Cambria will not yield. And there's

00:07:49.980 this great story in one of his posts and it talks about, um, water buffaloes right there.

00:07:56.080 It was, yeah, it was water buffaloes and just how, um, the other water buffaloes totally

00:08:01.820 wussed out and, um, let what was going to let one of the younger ones be eaten by an 1.00

00:08:08.100 alligator. I know it's like random, but it's going to be eaten by an alligator and one water

00:08:13.940 buffalo stood up and saved him. And all the other water buffaloes are like, no, you need

00:08:19.380 to love the alligators. They're, you know, creatures too. And yada, yada, yada. And so, um,

00:08:25.260 anyway, just the whole idea of this is for protecting your children. This is, you know,

00:08:31.800 it's, it's, I mean, what's more important than taking care of your kids? How can you

00:08:36.860 cuck out on this? You know?

00:08:38.320 And a lot of liberals and cucks are in denial that they think it'll be fine for your kids.

00:08:42.320 It'll just be like it is today. If they're a minority, nothing's going to change. This 1.00

00:08:46.180 is what they think. Right. But it is, everything is changing already.

00:08:49.780 Absolutely. I mean, just look down the road, just a couple of years and just, I mean, even,

00:08:56.000 even look back a couple of years, see how much has changed and consider what's going to happen

00:09:01.280 in the next couple of years. I mean, it's just crazy that people can't see this, that they're

00:09:05.720 so blind to believing this race, uh, lie that we're all the same and that everything's going 1.00

00:09:14.020 to be tra la la all fine. So anyway, so yeah, definitely to that. I grew up very Christian and

00:09:22.520 pretty much every relative I have today is still Christian. Luckily my aunts and uncles, they're 0.95

00:09:27.180 really easy to talk to about a lot of pro-white alt-right topics, but they're children. I noticed

00:09:31.480 my younger cousins are not, you just can't talk to them about some of these things. And when I grew

00:09:36.020 up in church, they weren't anti-white and they actually in the churches that I knew, they viewed

00:09:40.340 Jews as amoral people. They didn't want to associate with them. So when did church become 1.00

00:09:45.440 anti-white in your view? Well, um, my suspicion, well, okay. So go back at least a hundred years, 0.59

00:09:55.280 if not more than that. I mean, you, you can see the infiltration of, of liberalism into the,

00:10:01.020 the denominations and seminaries, uh, long ago. I mean, that's honestly what led to the American 1.00

00:10:06.560 quote civil war. I mean, if it wasn't for the fact that the descendants of the Puritans, 0.66

00:10:10.100 New England became apostates and that they turned away from the actual faith and embraced 0.76

00:10:15.520 really what is now what we just call being a progressive. That's exactly what they were

00:10:20.080 doing. That's what led to abolitionism. That's what led to lots of social movements that, that

00:10:24.980 rose up in New England. Um, and that have, has devastated the United States ever since. 0.91

00:10:30.800 So, so really, uh, you can easily say the churches started cucking out, uh, oh, easily 200 years

00:10:36.900 ago. Um, but, but it was a more of a regional thing or limited to certain denominations. Um,

00:10:43.120 in the South, for example, um, that was not the case. Um, during the war and the civil war and after

00:10:49.600 the civil war, those churches were still both theologically and socially and culturally conservative,

00:10:55.260 uh, much more so than their Northern counterparts. Um, but my belief is that white guilt changed all of 0.51

00:11:03.440 that. And so once those churches starting going, started going apostate, uh, both socially and

00:11:09.520 culturally speaking, and then also morally and theologically speaking, um, certainly by the

00:11:14.620 fifties and sixties and, and it just accelerated in the seventies and beyond. So now we're at the

00:11:20.580 point where the most quote, conservative Protestant denominations like the Southern Baptists, um,

00:11:26.020 the Presbyterian church in America, the direct descendants of those Confederates, okay. Um, 0.81

00:11:31.160 who fought for, you know, limited government, who fought for white identity and those sorts of

00:11:35.400 things. They're the ones who are sometimes the most eager to push these, uh, blue haired cat lady 1.00

00:11:42.020 schemes. Um, and so, so I, I trace it back, like I said, depending on what region you're talking about,

00:11:48.060 um, you know, at least decades, if not a couple hundred years, but it, but it stems from a denial

00:11:52.440 of some of the fundamental truths of the Bible. And, and for us, you know, race is not the chief

00:11:57.260 thing of the Bible, but it is there, uh, just like, just like other natural laws are there in

00:12:03.800 the Bible, uh, just like gender identity is very clearly, uh, uh, articulated in the Bible. Um, and

00:12:09.880 so these are truths, which are not the main truths for us, but they are still truths and are still God's

00:12:14.160 truths. And so therefore we need to take them seriously. Martin Luther, the German reformer had a

00:12:19.020 great quote, which pointed out that, that if you're, if you're saying you're going to contend for

00:12:24.300 the faith, you're going to, if you're going to, you know, fight, you know, be like a holy warrior,

00:12:27.760 if you're not fighting where the battle's actually raging, but instead you're off in some other,

00:12:33.160 you know, some other place, you know, guarding a point where nobody's fighting, you're not really

00:12:38.040 fighting. And so for us, uh, obviously the battle is raging here on this racial and gender and

00:12:45.740 sexual front. Um, the, the battles about Christology and Trinitarian doctrine are, are over,

00:12:52.140 but you know, by, you know, for the most part. So here's where the fight is. And, and it's just,

00:12:57.980 it's a terrible shame and it's truly sinful and shameful to see people who should know better

00:13:04.360 people who claim to be pastors and bishops and so on and so forth, um, helping the enemy.

00:13:10.700 Oh yeah. And one of the things we hear a lot of Christian cucks always say is the idea that 0.99

00:13:14.900 we're all, we're all God's children and home is in, in heaven. So bring on the open borders, right?

00:13:20.920 Wow. Yes. That's very Jim Jones-like, to be honest with you. I mean, you know, to, to say that this life

00:13:27.920 or your physical body or physical safety or your biological relations have no meaning. Honestly,

00:13:33.340 it's kind of funny. I was just mentioning some of these chief basic Christian doctrines, like the

00:13:37.800 incarnation, like the Trinity, um, to, to say those things that the cucks say is really to deny the truth

00:13:43.740 of the incarnation of Christ because they make Christ out to be just some spirit and just,

00:13:48.620 and that Christianity is just a bunch of ideas, but that's not it. That's, that's other religions.

00:13:53.420 That's Gnosticism. That's, that's forms of, you know, other philosophies, but Christianity 0.93

00:13:58.020 specifically says there is a God and he became a human being and, you know, flesh and blood. And

00:14:04.020 even after the resurrection, I mean, and this God died and rose from the grave and he, and he ate broiled

00:14:09.260 fish with his disciples after he rose from the grave. So like the idea that, that the body and

00:14:13.980 that this life doesn't matter is totally stupid. It is totally anti-biblical. If you deny the truth 1.00

00:14:20.860 of the physical resurrection of Christ or that we will be physically resurrected and judged, you would

00:14:25.660 be cast out of every denomination as a heretic. But since they don't phrase it in that way, they're

00:14:30.840 still running those denominations. And my prayer is that that will change someday pretty soon.

00:14:35.200 You made a good point earlier too, though, that's, you know, just because everyone is

00:14:39.900 Christian, it's because there's blacks and Asians are Christians and whites that are Christians.

00:14:43.100 We don't all have to live together. Right. So that's a good point that a lot of Christians

00:14:46.220 don't bring up. They could just be Christian over there. Right. 0.92

00:14:51.040 Exactly. Exactly. And there's, there's nothing wrong with that. And that's how we have functioned

00:14:56.060 in all throughout history, unless there's a problem like the Crusades, which is going on right

00:15:01.320 now in Europe.

00:15:02.100 Just in reverse.

00:15:02.960 Exactly.

00:15:03.300 That's right. Now the Catholic Church came as a universal faith, kind of a globalist religion,

00:15:08.440 and anyone who accepts Jesus is welcome. Did Protestants think in the same way or were 0.98

00:15:12.420 they more exclusive?

00:15:15.000 Well, I would say both, both for Catholics and for Protestants, you've got this ability

00:15:20.020 to be both national and the Orthodox do this as well. Obviously, like look at the Orthodox

00:15:24.360 churches, they'll still call themselves, you know, the Greek Orthodox or the Russian Orthodox,

00:15:28.280 whatever. But the various branches of Christianity, you can embrace this sense of,

00:15:33.140 yes, we are, we are part of one spiritual body, one spiritual communion, and yet at the same

00:15:38.400 time retain our national distinctive identities. And so, like I said, it was, it was liberalism,

00:15:44.440 otherwise known as Marxism, progressivism, that, that has undermined that across, across the

00:15:49.840 board, both certainly in the Protestant and Catholic, and also I would say Orthodox camps.

00:15:55.460 So that now, honestly, like, even in the Orthodox camps, even though they still talk about themselves

00:16:01.500 in national terms, if you, if you are a white nationalist in those churches, you're going to be cast

00:16:07.600 out. So, so it really doesn't matter which branch you're in at the moment.

00:16:12.520 Yeah, I think most churches are, have become anti-white. I think you guys do a home group. So when

00:16:17.720 people ask, what church should I go to, what do you say to them?

00:16:20.680 And we say, that's why we're having these small group Bible studies.

00:16:24.240 That's right.

00:16:25.020 Because, because it's kind of like, if we look at another sphere of life, it's kind of easy to see.

00:16:31.500 So look at, look at where you get your food, or look at the political scene. And you can see that in

00:16:37.320 both of those spheres of life, a lot of corruption, a lot of lies, a lot of just evil has crept in.

00:16:45.340 So that it's hard for us to get food that's not genetically modified. It's hard for us to get

00:16:50.060 food that's actually healthy. And in the political scene, it's hard to find a political party or

00:16:54.780 organization that is not just sold out to our, the enemies of our nation and faith and things like

00:17:00.600 that. So to see the same thing in the church really should not be that surprising. And it also means

00:17:06.220 that we shouldn't throw the ecclesiastical baby out with the bathwater. Every institution, 0.94

00:17:12.280 from government, to business, to church, to schools, to media, and more, have been infiltrated

00:17:19.420 and subverted. The church is simply another institution to which that has happened.

00:17:24.100 Yeah, I agree. Well, in your view, both of you can answer this. What is the proper use of

00:17:28.620 love and tolerance among Christians?

00:17:30.980 Well, I'd say first and foremost for our, our families and, and, you know, to, to be very,

00:17:39.300 I guess, I guess to be, to be very loving to our families. I'm sorry, mommy brain.

00:17:46.820 It's okay.

00:17:47.240 It's okay.

00:17:47.740 To put them first.

00:17:48.880 Yes. Yes, absolutely.

00:17:51.020 And you've often talked about it in terms of like a bullseye.

00:17:53.460 Right. Yeah. So you have different rings in a bullseye from the very middle to, and then it

00:18:01.440 kind of goes out from there. And the people that we're supposed to be most, take the most care of

00:18:07.120 and love and really try to influence are in the middle of that bullseye. And then maybe it can go

00:18:14.820 out from there to neighbors or extended family. And then, you know, as you go out further and

00:18:20.460 further, then you get to nations, then you get to, you know, bringing in the refugees and whatever,

00:18:25.940 which would be, if we, if we want to help other countries, then we need to do it in,

00:18:31.120 in their countries. You know, maybe send missionaries. They don't need to come here.

00:18:35.820 And we need to give what's left after we have given to our own. That's very important.

00:18:41.860 Definitely.

00:18:42.980 Yeah. I've talked a lot about that in terms of just in terms of living your life.

00:18:47.000 Um, it's really important to keep perspective and keep things in their proper order. So like,

00:18:51.780 for example, you know, Mary and I, we cannot solve the problem of the invasions, whether it's

00:18:57.820 from Mexico or from these Muslims or whatever, we can't solve it on our own, but we can do our part. 0.73

00:19:03.880 And we do that part first and foremost by being accountable to God and taking care of ourselves

00:19:09.020 and our families. Then like Mary is saying, we go out from there to our communities, our churches,

00:19:14.380 the people we actually know. Now from there we get, we go so far as to reach people. We don't even

00:19:19.980 physically, we haven't physically met yet, but with whom we can communicate over the internet and

00:19:24.220 whatnot. And so that's kind of, that's what we're doing in these small groups, the podcast,

00:19:27.980 the website, things like that. But, but the important thing is like Mary is saying is we have

00:19:32.400 to focus on first ourselves and the family, the people who, for whom we are responsible.

00:19:37.380 And, you know, like if everybody did their job kind of like, you know, think about the great movie

00:19:43.180 about the Spartans 300, you know, you got this line, you know, these ranks of Spartans shoulder

00:19:48.460 to shoulder. And, you know, the funny thing is that they had a spear to kill the enemy and they

00:19:53.400 had a shield, but that shield was not really to protect themselves. That shield was protect the

00:19:57.080 guy next to them. And if, if one person in that, in that rank failed to hold his shield properly,

00:20:03.260 the guy next to him would get it. And so if we just all did our jobs and exercised dominion in

00:20:09.120 biblical terms, you know, took dominion, like God says in Genesis one, and did our jobs in our,

00:20:13.660 in our own souls and in our own workplaces and homes and families, this whole thing would radically

00:20:19.700 change. And so, so we want to be able to change the world, but it's, it is like the old saying goes,

00:20:25.540 you know, think globally, but act locally. And that's a, that's a very biblical concept.

00:20:29.860 Makes perfect sense to me. Well, let's talk about one of the other things that

00:20:33.080 cucks always say, turn the other cheek. Right. And so it seems that a lot of them

00:20:37.680 are loving and tolerating even enemies who want to kill them. Have you noticed this?

00:20:43.800 Oh, absolutely. Well, and they're literally inviting them in, which is nuts.

00:20:47.100 Yeah. It's more than turning the other cheek at that point, you know,

00:20:50.260 like turning the other cheek and giving them a free dinner.

00:20:53.440 And bending over while you're making them dinner.

00:20:56.200 Yes.

00:20:56.560 Yeah. Yeah. The problem, the problem is that they honestly, I mean, and we were there. So,

00:21:03.120 so we are not casting aspersions on their character. I believe that many of these people,

00:21:08.160 if not most of these people, they genuinely want to do what they believe is right.

00:21:14.160 Yeah.

00:21:14.340 And so this can be the best kind of person to have on your side, but it can also be,

00:21:19.180 unfortunately, the worst, most intensely committed person on the other side.

00:21:23.940 Plus, I mean, it's, it's very painful and hurtful because these are your own people.

00:21:27.760 Yeah. Yeah. And, and this is what we saw, like I said, in the American civil war. And that's what

00:21:32.020 we're seeing right now in the, in the Western world in general, this conflict between Westerners

00:21:36.000 over how to deal with other people. It's nuts, but like I said, in the States, we've seen this before.

00:21:40.900 Yeah. I think some people are genuinely just so, so nice. I think there's a lot of Christians are

00:21:45.240 just so nice and they mean well, but they're naive. They're, they don't, they can't comprehend

00:21:49.340 what kind of evil they're dealing with because maybe they don't have that kind of evil within

00:21:52.980 themselves.

00:21:54.520 Well, we, you know, really for, for, for a professing Christian to walk around in this world and

00:22:01.260 believe that everything like in the movie Pollyanna is going to work out just fine and there's no harm

00:22:06.900 or evil in there is to actually deny some of the central truths of the faith. I mean,

00:22:12.620 we do believe fundamentally that we are depraved sinners, fallen, alienated from God, enemies

00:22:19.400 of God. And that's the whole reason why we need Jesus. It's not like Jesus was like just

00:22:24.040 some gold star to make us a little better than we already were. That's, that's not the

00:22:28.560 faith at all. That's, that's progressivism. That's humanism, but that's not Christianity at 0.97

00:22:33.020 all. And so I do think that there are some serious doctrinal reasons for why the churches

00:22:38.800 are the way that they are. And like I said, it came because they've been subverted through

00:22:42.780 liberalism or whatever the term we want to use, that they actually did change the doctrinal

00:22:47.080 emphases. So, you know, when you look at the SJW like activities of these major denominations,

00:22:54.520 they're honestly, the reasons they're doing them is because doctrinally they are not far off

00:22:59.080 from the Unitarian Universalists or from the Communist Party USA. Um, so, so I would say

00:23:05.440 that these people, um, who are culturally shooting at us and, and aiding and abetting literally

00:23:11.760 are conquerors and invaders, um, that they are dangerously close, uh, to leaving the faith

00:23:17.780 altogether. That's not my call to make, but, but when we get right down to it, that that's

00:23:21.900 the problem. But, but nonetheless, they are still our people. They are our co-ethnics and they

00:23:26.840 are people who do profess the same faith. And so we have to be very patient and pray for

00:23:32.420 them and tolerate a lot, but we don't tolerate a knife to our throats. And so that's when,

00:23:38.520 that's when, uh, you know, turn the other cheek, uh, gives way to the proper context.

00:23:44.020 Jesus also told the apostles the night he was betrayed, go sell your cloak and buy two swords.

00:23:48.920 Okay. Jesus is not a pacifist. Christianity is not a pacifistic faith. So like I said, it comes

00:23:55.680 back to the doctrines that have been, uh, undermined and we need to restore those through a real

00:23:59.500 reformation. Another big one that comes up in the alt, right? I think we should talk about

00:24:03.620 is the relationship between Jews and Christianity, the Judeo-Christian link and Jesus as a Jew. So

00:24:09.760 what are your thoughts about it? Well, I'll speak to that first because I had an Israeli flag

00:24:15.320 on my wall in college and I specifically, I wish I had a copy of the email, but it was so long

00:24:21.320 ago. I, you know, it's long gone. I specifically remember emailing the Israeli embassy saying,

00:24:27.340 Hey, I'm a white Christian. Can I come help you guys? And, and I never, I don't think I ever heard

00:24:32.820 back, but, and that's fine. Uh, I don't think I would have been quite fit for the IDF. Um,

00:24:37.940 but actually it's funny. I knew Jewish kids who did go and do their time in the IDF so they can

00:24:42.900 make Aliyah someday. Yeah. It's free Christian slave labor. It's great. They love it. 1.00

00:24:46.960 Yeah. Right. Oh, I'm telling you, if push comes to shove, man, they'd be stupid not to take all

00:24:51.280 these millions of evangelicals and just enlist them. But, but, but, but the crazy thing is that 0.99

00:24:56.540 no matter how, and I mean, there's, there's literally millions of evangelicals who's evangelicals 0.81

00:25:02.400 who would live and die for Israelis, but, but still the Jews hate those people more than they even 0.98

00:25:08.360 hate Muslims. It's nuts. I think there's no explanation for it other than the fact that Judaism at its core 1.00

00:25:13.780 is anti-Gentile and specifically anti-Christian, anti-Christ. But anyway, um, like I was saying in

00:25:20.780 my, my journey, um, when I, when I got more into the Bible and specifically came across, um, just more

00:25:27.500 traditional Protestant doctrines. And, uh, there's this doctrine actually, the, the eschatology,

00:25:32.760 the eschatology called amillennialism, which says that as a part of it, which says that, you know,

00:25:37.780 the kingdom of heaven is now, right? Like, like we're, we're doing God's work now. It's not like

00:25:41.500 we're waiting for G like in the left behind series, we're all raptured. And then Jesus comes

00:25:45.220 back and the Jews run the world and all this sort of thing. No, you know, historically Christian 0.95

00:25:50.080 churches by and large have taught, no, you know, uh, whether Jew or Gentile, you're part of God's

00:25:54.500 kingdom now. And so the Jews are not the key people. They're not the key players, people who profess 0.78

00:26:00.760 Christ, Christians, they're the key players. And so if that's true, and the Bible says it is,

00:26:05.940 and like I said, that is the historic doctrine across the branches of Christianity, then the Jews 0.99

00:26:10.660 really play no significant role today, unless they're doing something stupid, in which case 1.00

00:26:15.080 they're just another nation doing something stupid. So the people we need to be sticking 1.00

00:26:19.140 up for are, are, are, are families, our co-ethnics and our fellow Christians. And so that's when

00:26:25.220 the Israeli flag came down.

00:26:28.600 It's just a shame that so many Christians are totally blind to that. You know, like, um, the 0.89

00:26:33.460 Jews hate you. They're not doing it for you. Yeah. And, um, we're, it's like a one-sided 0.99

00:26:38.780 relationship and, uh, it's not working out so well for us.

00:26:42.460 Yeah. And then when, when, then when, so you have the theological reasoning that undermines

00:26:46.440 Christian Zionism. And then when you get to the actual, like what's actually happening

00:26:50.760 on the ground, when you learn about the USS Liberty, when you learn about the Jewish role 0.55

00:26:54.240 in pornography and abortion and feminism, in this gender insanity and in the third world 0.95

00:27:00.500 invasion of the West and all these other things, you're like, so the Jews are behind everything 1.00

00:27:04.740 that conservative Christians hate. Yeah. How does this work? Exactly. 0.96

00:27:08.460 Yeah. Why should I be for this? Yeah. So, so yeah. So that's a big red pill we need to spread

00:27:14.620 around. I ask Christians that all the time when they're complaining about Hollywood and the filth 1.00

00:27:18.700 coming out of there. I'm like, you realize it's Jews making that stuff, right? The, the people you 1.00

00:27:22.800 think are the chosen people, right? The people that actually hate Christians. 0.69

00:27:26.720 Yeah. Like, like the minute I see the Weinstein brothers logo go up at the beginning of a movie,

00:27:31.280 I'm like, oh, I know it's coming. Prepare yourself. Yeah. Yeah. You know.

00:27:36.960 So how do you tackle the whole Jesus was a Jew thing? 0.59

00:27:40.760 Well, well, he was, uh, I don't, I personally don't, I cast doubts on the, on the idea that

00:27:47.100 modern day Jews are literally descended, um, from, you know, Moses, let's say, or Abraham,

00:27:53.260 more broadly speaking. But, but the important doctrine is that yes, Jesus is the son of David.

00:27:58.680 He fulfilled the messianic prophecies. Um, but actually, actually I did a teaching about this

00:28:03.360 just a few weeks ago. You can find it at gmyamerica.com, uh, from the first gospel, first chapter

00:28:08.540 of the gospel of Matthew, which is the genealogy of Christ, which is really just setting up Matthew's

00:28:14.320 argument that Jesus is the son of David. He is Messiah. He is like the Jewish Messiah. And so we, 0.93

00:28:20.300 we want to uphold that because it's obviously a Matthew spent a lot of time when he wrote a whole

00:28:25.120 book about it. It must be pretty important. But, but beyond that, what Jesus makes clear in the

00:28:30.680 gospel of Matthew, again, makes this very clear to his Jewish audience is that, like I said,

00:28:36.400 God's plan of salvation, certainly Jews were a part of it and a critical part of it.

00:28:42.200 But the Jews as a people group also turned away for centuries, repeatedly turned away completely

00:28:49.840 from God's word, perverted it, twisted it. We, they created what we now call the Talmud 1.00

00:28:53.820 and they killed Jesus Christ. I mean, you know, when I look at Peter and Paul and James and John,

00:29:01.280 these were Jews. But when I look at who put Jesus on the cross, those were Jews too. And we're,

00:29:06.920 Mary and I, we've been reading Acts lately. And so we see these Jews who follow Christ saying to

00:29:11.780 their non-believing co-ethnics, you crucified the son of, you know, the son of God. And, and, 0.56

00:29:17.840 you know, God is going to bring judgment on you. You know, the apostle Paul himself,

00:29:21.780 he was a Pharisee. He was a Jew who was a Jewish scholar. And he says, God is going to bring the

00:29:26.560 Romans to destroy you. Jesus predicted that the Romans would come and destroy Jerusalem.

00:29:33.020 And so when you see, when you see these, these saints and the son of God himself saying this about

00:29:38.380 the Jewish nation, that, that they're not God's special pet anymore, that they're, they can be part

00:29:45.120 of God's kingdom. But, but again, the locus, the focus is on those who follow Messiah, those who

00:29:50.400 follow Christ. And act in a Christian way, walk the walk, right? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you can't 1.00

00:29:56.140 just have some Jew that's, you know, doing the things that Jews have been doing, like in Hollywood 0.97

00:30:01.140 and the whole pornography thing and et cetera, et cetera, and say that they're going to heaven, 0.90

00:30:06.980 like just because they're special. That's not how it works.

00:30:10.340 Yeah. Salvation is by grace, not by race. And so we very much choose.

00:30:14.140 Wasn't Jesus calling them Pharisees too? And he was turning the tables, you know, the money changers 1.00

00:30:18.900 in the temple and yeah, really he came to lay the law for these Jews. They denied it. They killed 0.91

00:30:24.700 them. And now look, right. 0.99

00:30:27.000 Yeah, absolutely. So Jews can be saved, but it's not because you're Jewish, you're going to be saved.

00:30:32.040 It's you repent of sin. You put your faith in Christ and live a whole life and then you're saved.

00:30:37.520 Um, yeah. And that's open to anybody.

00:30:40.520 Well, many in the alt-right are, we're a diverse bunch. We have, you know, spiritually speaking,

00:30:44.260 there's agnostics, pagans, even atheists, a lot of Christians. And, uh, you know, I think there's

00:30:49.600 less tension nowadays, but there is still a kind of a tense relationship between some pagans and

00:30:54.740 Christians. So how do you respond to, to that debate?

00:30:58.320 Well, I mean, obviously theologically we are where we are. Um, uh, for us, like that was actually

00:31:05.420 something we had to work through in terms of culture. Like, um, look at C.S. Lewis, look at

00:31:10.840 J.R.R. Tolkien, look at Shakespeare, look at Homer, look at the great works of our heritage. A lot of

00:31:18.520 them reference, uh, pagan mythology. Uh, they deal with magic, things of that nature. So how do we

00:31:24.440 as Christians, you know, are we okay with that? Do we say, no, that's off limits? Cause you know,

00:31:28.960 like, like, how do you explain to your kids? Okay guys, I want you to read this book about

00:31:32.000 polytheism, but you're Christians. Okay. So, so that, that is, that is something you have to 0.96

00:31:37.280 work through. But, but I know for me, um, honestly, one of the big, one of the things that really helped

00:31:43.100 me get to where I am is when, as I was coming out of my, my, uh, conservative years, um, I just kept

00:31:51.860 seeing over and over and over that every other ethnic group had a proud heritage and they could

00:31:57.780 talk, you know, their language, their literature, their music, their dance, their spirituality,

00:32:02.460 things like that. And I'm like, surely my heritage that I want to pass on to my descendants must be

00:32:08.300 more than you go to this building and you sing a few songs. It must be more than that. Um, and so

00:32:13.860 for me and for Mary, what we've done is we've kind of embraced even some of the more high church

00:32:20.700 elements of Western civilization. So that includes, yes, we like cathedrals. We are stalwart

00:32:26.920 Protestants, but we like cathedrals. Um, we like the stained glass, you know, like

00:32:30.920 beautiful pictures. Yeah, exactly. You know, we, we like, we like all that stuff, but it also means

00:32:36.000 that we're going to embrace again, without denying our faith, without, without endorsing the sorts of

00:32:40.120 things that we would see the pagan gods do if they're, if they're sinful things. We're still, 0.90

00:32:44.800 we absolutely teach our kids about Homer and we've read a children's version of, you know,

00:32:49.480 Homer's great epics to the kids and it's awesome stuff. Um, and so, so we embrace,

00:32:55.180 we embrace the heritage that our forefathers, uh, you know, created and passed on to us. Uh,

00:33:01.800 as with any good child, we, uh, we want to honor our fathers and our mothers. And that goes back

00:33:06.780 millennia without, of course, uh, replicating what we see as their mistakes or their sins.

00:33:12.780 So that that's how we navigate that tension for ourselves. And then in terms of dealing with our

00:33:16.960 contemporaries, again, we, we work together where we can and we, you know, we have respectful

00:33:21.580 disagreement where we can. Yeah. And I think, I think we want a lot of the same things. We want

00:33:25.500 a place for our children. I mean, I keep on going back to the family. I'm a mom, you know,

00:33:29.460 and I have kids that I want to see succeed. And that's what a lot of other people want to,

00:33:38.860 you know, a lot of whites that are not Christians want the same thing. We need to work together in

00:33:43.340 order to have that at this point. It's, it's, you know, we have us, that's it.

00:33:47.800 Yeah. I think too, our, our, our ancestors that were, you know, pre-Christian times were actually

00:33:53.760 radical traditionalists. I think primordial traditionalists because they needed it in

00:33:57.780 order to survive. The family unit was very important. And then of course, you know,

00:34:02.340 they weren't monsters. They had no, the nine noble virtues. They had a lot of ancient knowledge.

00:34:07.220 They were spiritual. They talked about the gods. I mean, they really cared about each other too.

00:34:12.040 I think a lot of these ancient elements and myths and concepts have actually seeped into the Bible.

00:34:16.920 So some of that is still alive in Christianity.

00:34:20.020 There's definitely a lot of overlap. And you can see that I've read books, for example,

00:34:24.700 that talk about how some of those pre-Christian, you know, themes in European paganism,

00:34:31.040 they kind of laid the groundwork for it to be easier for our ancestors to accept Christianity.

00:34:36.240 So there's that. Now, now today we obviously like, even just the last couple of days, we had,

00:34:41.100 you know, this, this chick on the right told me Lara and make some claims about being pro-abortion. 1.00

00:34:46.920 And that has inflamed a lot of pro-life conservatives like ourselves.

00:34:51.360 And so, and then I see Richard Spencer write about, no, you know, she's right. We should be 0.58

00:34:55.620 pro-abortion, those sorts of things. So we are going to run into those differences and they're

00:34:59.460 real. And I don't want to minimize them, you know, unnecessarily. But honestly, like I said,

00:35:05.900 about perspective, it's like, I can't control everything. I'm just going to do what I can do

00:35:09.520 and be responsible with that.

00:35:11.820 Yeah. I think it's important just to focus on the big things. I mean, we have so much,

00:35:15.980 we have this monumental task in front of us. So yeah, I don't like to bicker and stuff with

00:35:21.060 people and spirituality. I think that's a personal thing. And everyone's entitled to their own

00:35:25.300 spiritual path and the gods that they want to pray to. And I think it's, I think it's all good,

00:35:29.780 whatever kind of spirituality people want to have.

00:35:31.620 Now, Mary, let's talk about balancing motherhood and thinking about politics. Do you avoid it 0.89

00:35:38.220 altogether? Because it is, it's hard being a mother and focusing on, on this threat we're

00:35:42.860 facing as a people.

00:35:44.860 Yeah, it can get really black pill and really scary and everything. I've never really been a

00:35:50.380 political person. I'm very thankful that my husband kind of understands all that and can dabble

00:35:56.660 in where he can. But yeah, I guess my biggest focus by being at home is really to make sure that

00:36:05.560 they have the understanding that what they are is good. By being white, it's not a sin. You don't 0.66

00:36:14.160 need to be beaten down because of that. And just help them have a healthy sense of self. And also give

00:36:22.440 them the ability to answer the hard questions that they might get on the outside, you know,

00:36:28.060 outside of our home. And, you know, that kind of, that kind of goes into the walls and fences book,

00:36:33.980 which I'm sure we'll get to. But a lot of that, the reason that I thought this book was so important

00:36:39.380 to create was because I feel like our children need to have good responses to the cuck-servatives 1.00

00:36:46.740 that will maybe shake fingers at them and say, how could you blah, blah, blah, blah. Or just to

00:36:52.480 be able to have those answers to respond to all the different questions and concerns that other

00:36:59.960 parents may have.

00:37:02.160 Well, that's right. You wrote a book called Walls and Fences. So tell us more about what's in it,

00:37:06.680 what inspired it, and maybe you can even read a little bit from it.

00:37:10.200 Sure. Okay. So Walls and Fences was inspired by the fact that Trump was on the way to winning.

00:37:20.360 Yay. Praise God.

00:37:22.180 Yeah. So, and the whole thing that we were really excited about was the idea of him actually building

00:37:27.700 a wall, which, it's just ridiculous. Like, why do we have to go through this? The wall should already

00:37:33.360 be up. This should be understood, but whatever. So anyway, I wanted my kids to be able to

00:37:40.180 understand that having a wall is good because they're surrounded by a whole bunch of people

00:37:44.880 that are like, oh, I'm not sure if I'm for Trump or not because of this. And we need to be open

00:37:49.520 borders. And aren't you a Christian? Blah, blah, blah. And so, yeah, we just kind of, I sat down one 0.99

00:37:58.180 day and just started writing about all the different other places that had walls, the reasons for walls,

00:38:05.020 like trying to put it down on paper, just very, very simply, um, both for my children, but also

00:38:12.800 for other people outside our homes. And, um, that's kind of where it came from.

00:38:20.260 Yeah. And then, and then I got on the forums, uh, the, I guess the now defunct TRS forums. And I said,

00:38:26.440 hey, my wife wrote, my wife wrote the story. I want to make it into a book. Does anybody out

00:38:31.280 there know how to draw? Cause I can't. And then I randomly get this guy, Ford Henry, he says,

00:38:37.840 I can do something, you know, send me a note. And so we started talking and then a couple months

00:38:41.880 later, bada bing, bada boom, we have this book. It's beautiful. Yeah. No stick figures.

00:38:47.180 Yeah. I draw stick people too. Yeah. I know. We know Ford Henry too. He's amazingly talented and

00:38:53.160 a super kind man, very generous. And he did a beautiful job on yours. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean,

00:38:58.920 we, we started conversing over email and then, um, then he sent me a sample. I'm like, whoa.

00:39:07.580 Jack thought. Yeah. Oh man. Glad somebody has those skills. I think that this kid's book is probably

00:39:13.720 one that lefties would, would love to burn because they would love to burn our books.

00:39:19.600 Yeah. It's really great. It has this one page where it actually shows the wall in Israel.

00:39:24.280 And so it kind of exposes them. Yeah. Yeah. Like we talk about the wall in Israel. We'll talk about 0.84

00:39:28.980 the great wall of China and, and, and we explicitly state all, all nations have a right to protect

00:39:33.280 themselves. But then at the end we show these, uh, Ford Henry did a great job of, of depicting the

00:39:38.400 radical difference between SJWs and a normal white family. Yeah. And, uh, so yeah, I agree. I think 1.00

00:39:45.460 they would love to hate it. So, um, yeah, we'll have to, you know, sprinkle that around, you know,

00:39:49.680 publicize it more. That's right. That's right. Poke at the bee's nest a little bit.

00:39:53.180 So now are you homeschooling? Do you know of homeschool networks? How are you socializing

00:39:57.960 your kids with other like-minded kids? How are you basically raising them so that they don't go Marxist?

00:40:04.020 Yeah. Um, we have, we are homeschooling. We don't have a lot of people that they are hanging out

00:40:12.600 with in the church. Um, just because we feel like we have to be really careful with them not

00:40:18.100 being, uh, indoctrinated wrong. Yeah, exactly. With the whole conservative thing. But at least,

00:40:24.560 but we put them in, you know, youth group stuff. We have them in sports. Um, they, and like many

00:40:30.080 homeschoolers, like they're far better behaved, uh, than, than a lot of kids who've been public

00:40:34.980 schools. And I came up through the public school system. Uh, I was a government indoctrinated

00:40:38.820 Brett. Um, and I feel I missed out on so much because they do skew it so much to the left.

00:40:44.420 Um, and then obviously we're taking preventive measures by, you know, uh, very intentionally,

00:40:50.180 but not, uh, not like too rigidly, uh, catechizing the kids on their faith and, and through things

00:40:56.020 like walls and fences, um, and just do normal everyday conversations like mom, dad, why,

00:41:01.760 why is this Trump guy up there? Why should there be a wall? You know, what does it mean

00:41:06.100 to be white? Those sorts of things we, we, we teach them. So we're red pilling them. We, 0.70

00:41:10.400 we, we get, we put little red sprinkles in their food, basically, you know, because I mean,

00:41:15.860 I went through my rebellious years, rebelling against things my parents said, but my dad planted

00:41:20.440 a lot of seeds. He was very good talking about politics and a lot of these kinds of concepts,

00:41:23.980 you know, way back when, I mean, he gave me my first David Duke book. So, and, and, you know,

00:41:29.680 kids always rebel against their parents, but I came back around a lot of things he said really

00:41:33.740 stuck with me. So do you worry about your kids rebelling from some of the things that you're

00:41:38.240 teaching them? At this point, not really. Um, I think that we're really teaching them truth and then,

00:41:46.440 um, they can go out into the world and see that it's the truth. Now, I mean, I had my little bit of

00:41:53.400 rebelling too. I grew up in a Christian home. And, uh, so I, I understand that that's probably

00:41:59.300 going to happen here and there, but, um, I feel like since we're not hiding anything from them,

00:42:05.320 we're not just like, you know, telling them only one side of the story. We're also telling them the

00:42:11.600 other side of what people say, um, and why they're incorrect. I think it's allowing them to think about

00:42:18.140 those things beforehand and feel kind of like, Oh, they can have this independence beforehand. I can

00:42:24.080 consider this. I can ask mom and dad these questions and I'm not going to be brow beaten

00:42:28.560 because I'm asking them these questions. Yeah. I really want the kids cause they're still pretty

00:42:33.800 young at this point. So we have to be careful. We don't want to overload them. There's only so much

00:42:37.760 you can handle emotionally at their ages right now, but at certainly as they get into their mid to

00:42:43.400 later teams, um, you know, you got to step back, you got to let them go out there on their own and

00:42:50.280 be battle tested. And so for me and Mary, we want to train them up and make them, you know,

00:42:57.900 equip them with the right, with the right weapons and the right armor, so to speak,

00:43:00.960 so that they can go into the workplace or, or a school setting or something like that and be able

00:43:07.000 to know how to go along, know how to follow rules, know how to be innovative and successful

00:43:11.440 and also how to defend themselves both physically and spiritually and intellectually.

00:43:16.200 And I think that's actually very important, especially if they're our sons, because right

00:43:21.000 now it's like everything is beating down male people and just men are just being beaten down

00:43:27.780 quite a bit. And, uh, yeah, to give them the ability to be strong and to be confident when

00:43:36.860 they go out into the world. I think that's one of the best tools that we can give them.

00:43:41.440 And then the support when they come back home.

00:43:44.180 Yeah. I think John Taylor Gatto, I don't know if you know him, but he has a lot of good work. He's

00:43:48.000 talks about teaching kids critical thinking, you know, you arm them so that they know how to dissect

00:43:52.940 some of these arguments and think for themselves as opposed to indoctrinating them. I think that will

00:43:57.140 go really far teaching them how to critically think so they can see through the propaganda and

00:44:03.180 that will go really far in their life. Absolutely. Yeah. We've actually, in the last couple of weeks,

00:44:07.980 we actually had the conversation with our eldest just explaining to her the concept of agendas in

00:44:13.240 movie and movies and TV shows. And books actually. Yeah. Books as well. Yeah. She was reading a book

00:44:18.760 about, um, what was it? A girl that was kidnapped by Indians. And they make it out to be a good thing. 1.00

00:44:24.600 Yeah. It was like a cold caught metal or something like that. It's ridiculous. And so she was reading

00:44:29.860 it and she came to me and was talking to me about it and I was kind of probing, asking questions. And

00:44:35.120 the book had presented it in a way that, oh, the Indians were good, even though they kidnapped her 0.94

00:44:41.920 and killed her family. They were good because they took care of her and they treated her nicely once

00:44:49.420 she was, you know, kidnapped. And we had to kind of sit down and explain to her that that's actually

00:44:56.440 not normal and not good. Yeah. Now, now I have to point this out. Um, she, she was at the library

00:45:03.920 with, with our, with her grandparents, right? We screen everything that they get, they get their

00:45:08.740 hands on, but that was one of the ones that slipped through the net. So we had to like, oh,

00:45:13.960 we got to undo this. But it was a teachable moment. Exactly. A teachable moment. And I'm so glad that we

00:45:19.900 had that opportunity to, to kind of set her back on the track, but also that she learned

00:45:25.300 through that conversation, oh, they're trying to educate me in this other way to make me think

00:45:30.420 it's okay. And also to tell her, no, it is not okay that, you know, people are kidnapped and

00:45:36.260 ridiculous. Well, speaking of looking at movies and analyzing them, you can make it kind of fun

00:45:41.780 for them. You can tell them there's secret messages and there's symbols and there, you know,

00:45:46.020 we're going to solve this mystery. What is this movie really telling us? I think that that would be

00:45:50.380 really fun for them. And then it will stick with them forever. They'll always think about what is the

00:45:54.700 secret message in this movie, right? Yeah, we'll make a mystery science 3000 trolls, you know,

00:45:59.860 the old writers like laughing at this, that, and the other leftist agenda and whatever they watch

00:46:05.160 and like, ha ha. That's stupid. Let's, let's go do something else. This is getting boring. 1.00

00:46:11.860 Yeah. I know there's a lot of alt-right networks forming, which is really good.

00:46:15.320 Cascadia, I just spoke with them. There's a lot of other groups around the country, which is good

00:46:18.900 because a lot of them have families and they have kids so they can celebrate traditions together.

00:46:23.220 They can grow up with other kids that think the same. I think that that's kind of fun. So,

00:46:28.000 or do you guys have any kind of network where you are?

00:46:31.620 Well, geographically, no, but that's almost by intent at this point in our work. But,

00:46:37.980 but so we don't have that geographic network, but we're working to build up that network just kind

00:46:43.660 of everywhere through our small group Bible studies. So basically, you know, we reached out

00:46:48.620 to the pool of people who listened to Good Morning, White America, our podcast. And, and we're saying,

00:46:54.800 Hey, let's, let's just start getting together on Sunday afternoons and reading the Bible together

00:46:58.440 and praying and hanging out. And it's been really cool. We last week, like for example, in one of the

00:47:03.520 meetings, and we got five different groups going right now led by myself or Clement Pulaski or Hans

00:47:08.880 Gigak. So we've got a bunch of people leading. But like we had, we had a guy who's calling in from China,

00:47:13.880 a guy from down under, we got a guy in California, we got a guy in another part of the country. So

00:47:18.640 it's pretty cool. And so our hope is that as, as those numbers grow, we will be able to say,

00:47:25.340 okay, you guys are in like the Dallas area, you know, Hey, you know, you guys can start meeting

00:47:29.880 together and, and our, our desire long-term. And I don't know how far off that long-term is, but

00:47:35.540 our desire is to, is to actually start having congregations so that if you are a pro white 0.60

00:47:41.000 Christian, you've got a spiritual home, you've got a place where you can get fed and a place

00:47:45.300 where you can have those potlucks and have those maybe Christian schools or, or, or Christian

00:47:49.100 homeschool or get togethers, that sort of thing. So, so that's, that's what we're doing to try to

00:47:53.260 build that up. That's great. I love that idea. Yeah. Tell us about your radio show. Good morning,

00:47:57.660 white America. It airs on Tuesday mornings, correct? Yeah. Yeah. It was just the brainchild I had in the 0.94

00:48:03.420 shower one day about 14 months ago. It's like, you know, it's early. I got to go to work. I want to hear

00:48:09.700 something that encourages me. Hey, honey, I got this idea. Yeah. I was definitely a little

00:48:15.040 concerned. I was like, no, I don't know what to say on a show like this. You're the one that reads

00:48:19.860 all that stuff, you know, but we kind of decided that we wanted to create something that we wish

00:48:25.080 we had when we were first kind of getting into the red pill stuff and everything and something

00:48:30.660 not just depressing, but something that normalizes what you believe and encouraging. Yeah. We try to be

00:48:38.840 very, very positive. Like, not like, no, no, I guess we can be pretty giddy. No, that's

00:48:43.420 true. That's true. But, but positive. And so like, like Dr. Carl Rattle, he'll do pieces

00:48:49.200 on, on great things in European and American history. It's fantastic. Yeah. I know who he

00:48:53.400 is. Yeah. The hate bird. He's reading great poetry. We got Hans Dana Gigax. They're talking

00:48:57.900 about like how to grow your own crops and how to, you know, how to do home birthing and things

00:49:01.500 like that. We've got, and we've had more people as well. The Christmas episodes.

00:49:05.000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The advent across Europe, you know, uh, John Rockwell did this amazing

00:49:09.780 series, uh, just highlighting how each of these European and then American cultures celebrates

00:49:14.500 Advent and Christmas. And so we try to make it something that's, that's definitely like

00:49:18.420 your, your white pill for the week. Right. Without, of course, without shying away from

00:49:24.120 some of these hard topics. Like a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about how Tim Tebow,

00:49:28.180 who's a prominent Christian evangelical athlete, how he was, uh, you know, all these articles

00:49:33.280 are being written about him because he said, I want to adopt kids from all over the world.

00:49:36.540 He was making this multiculturalism really like a Christian sort of idolatry sort of thing.

00:49:41.000 And so we had to say, look, you know, we, we respect and admire a lot of what this guy

00:49:44.500 has done and we, we love him as brother. We pray for him, but he's wrong here. And so

00:49:48.100 we're going to break that down and explain why that's so. So we tackle some of those hard

00:49:51.940 things. Um, but again, we try to keep it in perspective, try to keep it pro white, pro 0.93

00:49:56.060 Christian and, and positive. Right. And one thing that we like to say is we like

00:50:00.500 to focus on the greater yes. And so, yeah, there's a lot of really bad, sad, scary information

00:50:06.880 out there. And it's, yeah, we're not saying that that's incorrect, but the greater yes

00:50:12.440 means that we're going to focus at least for a little, a little bit of time. We're going

00:50:16.180 to focus on the good that our people have done and focus on the happy things and that type

00:50:21.920 of stuff. Yeah. And like, like instead of, instead of orienting our lives around what we

00:50:26.080 are against, we want to orient our lives on what we are for. That's right. We want

00:50:30.580 to be, obviously we are in a fight. Absolutely. But we want to build something and defend what

00:50:37.160 we have and build on that. So you have to remind people what they're fighting for, remind

00:50:41.060 them what their culture is. Exactly. You have to be positive. You can't be defeatist. You

00:50:45.380 can't be Debbie Downer. It turns people off. And I also like that you're offering a lot

00:50:51.200 of diversity, diversity in the true sense, you know, because the white mind is complex.

00:50:57.220 And even in the old right movement, we have, you know, all kinds of people who think all

00:51:01.540 kinds of different things. And that's been a blessing and a curse for white people. But 0.98

00:51:04.660 I think that that's why it's good. We have a lot of these different shows and different

00:51:08.580 outlets, but then we all come together also as a unit when we need to and have a bigger impact

00:51:13.740 together. I think it's good that we're all in touch with each other.

00:51:16.420 Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely something to build on. Yeah. It's been great because we've gotten

00:51:21.460 to know other people that are kind of in our same, have our same ideas and we wouldn't have

00:51:27.740 gotten to know them without doing, stepping out and doing a podcast. So cool. Thank you guys. Why

00:51:33.520 don't you give out the website and any other closing thoughts that you have before we end for

00:51:37.460 this time? Well, before we start, before we start to wrap up, actually, can I go ahead and read

00:51:43.080 a page or two? Can Mary and I read a couple pages from our book? Yeah. Because it is this great

00:51:47.340 little book. And again, it's called Walls and Fences. You can find it at Amazon, but you can

00:51:50.960 also link to it at gmwhiteamerica.com. We'll go ahead and just read some of the, some of the final

00:51:56.340 pages. And again, Ford Henry did a fantastic job. I'm looking at a beautiful picture of a pastoral

00:52:01.660 scene with a castle and a shepherd and a wall. Little fluffy sheep. Yeah. Awesome stuff.

00:52:06.840 So, so this page reads, walls were used to protect towns and people. Fences help farmers protect

00:52:14.580 their crops and help shepherds protect their sheep. Do you have a wall in your country? Many people

00:52:20.440 have fences to protect their property and to make it safe to play outside. Do you have a fence in

00:52:26.040 your house? And then the last page, and this is the great page, this is the great dichotomy between

00:52:32.060 the SJWs and the normal, normal white family. So we've got some SJWs picketing in front of the 0.89

00:52:36.800 White House and then a nice white family sitting inside their home on the next page. Some people

00:52:42.700 think fences are wrong. They think walls and fences hurt people's feelings, but it is more important

00:52:47.540 for us to be safe and protected. We should always be kind to others, but if we do not take care of

00:52:52.780 our families, we are sinning. God loves it when we obey him and take care of each other.

00:52:57.600 Okay. So like I said, that's called Walls and Fences. You can find that at gmwhiteamerica.com

00:53:03.780 and you can also just search for it at Amazon. You can look up Walls and Fences written by Mary

00:53:10.180 Gray, illustrated by Ford Henry. If you want to listen to the podcast, it comes out, like you said,

00:53:15.400 Lana, every Tuesday morning by 7 a.m. Eastern and it's on SoundCloud. But again, just go to

00:53:20.280 gmwhiteamerica.com. You'll find the podcasts. You'll find Walls and Fences. You'll find our Bible study

00:53:24.920 guides. You'll find some Bible teachings there as well to listen to, some spiritual nourishment

00:53:30.040 and lots of other things. And of course, we're always inviting and encouraging people to get

00:53:34.600 involved in these small group Bible studies. Love it. Well, thank you both. Keep up the great

00:53:39.060 work. It's been great getting to know you both. Thank you. It was nice to be here.

00:53:43.400 Look, I know both sides of this argument. I know what the pagans are saying about Christians and I know

00:53:47.700 what the Christians are saying about pagans. But considering the times we're in, it's best to avoid 0.94

00:53:52.500 arguing with anyone on our side about their spirituality or lack of. Yes, it's healthy to

00:53:57.460 discuss, challenge, and disagree, but all the right fights and divisions when it comes to the esoteric is

00:54:02.740 futile at this point in time. Find a happy middle. This show is supported by listeners, so please support

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00:54:50.660 Have a great week.

00:55:20.660 We'll see you in the next week.

Radio 3Fourteen - March 27, 2017

Pro-White Christianity _ How Church Has Become Anti-White

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