Radio 3Fourteen - Reverse Speech_ Secret Backwards Messages in the Human Voice

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00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.820 Welcome back to another hour of Radio 314.

00:00:48.720 This is going to be an interesting program, and it's something that we can all try and test for ourselves.

00:00:53.740 We're going to hear about reverse speech and how it can be used to find hidden messages in the human voice.

00:00:58.720 Messages that can be very helpful to unlock your unconscious insight from deep within.

00:01:04.400 Joining me is John Kelly, an international clinician and world-famous speech analyst

00:01:08.860 who released key intelligence pertaining to the Iraq War two years in advance of the shock and awe strikes against Baghdad in 2003.

00:01:16.480 As a former feature producer for CBS Radio, his work exploring consciousness, communications, the paranormal, and UFO phenomena

00:01:24.660 have been featured in numerous mainstream and alternative media outlets.

00:01:29.460 Hello, John. Welcome. How are you this evening?

00:01:32.240 Terrific. Thank you.

00:01:33.520 Well, as one of the world's most sought-after practitioners in the field of discovering and interpreting

00:01:37.900 secret backward messages in the human voice, where did this practice begin for you?

00:01:42.120 I became aware of these studies through ARPEL's 1990s broadcasts, and I pursued studies in a post-secondary

00:01:54.640 vocational institute in Southern California with the people who have been researching this

00:01:59.400 for some decades prior to my getting involved.

00:02:03.920 And I saw something that was applicable for people, particularly people who were looking for resources

00:02:11.780 in aid of healing and wellness, people who had been in long-term talk therapy

00:02:17.660 and may have hit some kind of obstacle or ceiling in the growth and progress.

00:02:23.200 This appeared to be a short-term intervention that would help people to forge a strong connection

00:02:29.820 with their own inner feelings, inner sensing, and their inner voice.

00:02:33.860 And so I took a great interest in a procedure that appeared to offer a short-term intervention

00:02:39.600 to help large communities of individuals.

00:02:42.240 People are suffering in Western society from adverse impacts of institutions like the Catholic Church,

00:02:48.640 the Boy Scouts, even in our universities, there are severe behavioral issues between young people and adults.

00:02:58.980 So the survivors of those conflicts are in our society now, and they're looking for resources.

00:03:07.140 This tool, these speech studies, these non-intrusive speech studies are certainly a very powerful tool

00:03:12.180 to help people looking for wellness and healing resources today.

00:03:15.220 So what are the origins of reverse speech research?

00:03:19.120 Who first started doing it?

00:03:21.860 Well, I think that from the conversations I've had with numerous sound engineers,

00:03:28.080 it was the people who were enabled with the tools and equipment that allowed them to do editing functions and filters,

00:03:35.140 filtering sound, mirror filtering, backwards filtering.

00:03:38.600 It would be those individuals.

00:03:40.480 So there's a lot of unsung people in production who were first exposed to the phenomena

00:03:44.780 or were first able to make these kinds of observations or to resolve communications hidden in backward speech.

00:03:51.980 The subject was popularized through the appearance of David John Oates, an Australian, in the American scene,

00:04:01.840 and he became a very popular guest with our bell,

00:04:05.280 and it was through those interviews that I became aware of the subject.

00:04:08.660 Okay.

00:04:09.800 Well, I think we should begin with maybe some reference points in culture and history of reversing speech,

00:04:14.280 or as you like to say, mirroring ourselves.

00:04:17.800 Well, the mirror is a very ancient tool and was used,

00:04:23.460 there's literary sources that talk about how the Greeks were using it for mystical practices

00:04:29.300 related to grieving and the departure of loved ones.

00:04:34.920 That was written about by one of those professional scientists,

00:04:39.360 the fellow who wrote Life After Life.

00:04:41.120 I'm sorry the name escapes me, but Life After Life is a famous book about reincarnation,

00:04:45.660 written by an academic,

00:04:47.000 and in that book he mentioned this discrete concept of contact with other dimensional entities

00:04:53.640 via a mirror, a mirror surface, and in that case I believe they were using reflective ponds.

00:04:59.520 So when we think about our Stone Age ancestors and their encounters with reflective surfaces,

00:05:03.560 such as bodies of water,

00:05:05.680 the archetypal or symbolic implications of seeing oneself and, of course, what's behind us via the mirror,

00:05:12.200 you know, the mirror that we use in the rearview mirror in our cars,

00:05:15.020 the implications philosophically indicate that it could be possible to see, in fact, where we had come from.

00:05:20.900 If we could see behind us, you see, the road behind us where we had crossed,

00:05:25.720 we could see that path from whence we had come.

00:05:28.880 And this is an important metaphysical concept because it relates to ideas of a point of origin of consciousness.

00:05:36.540 So as archetype, I say that the early primitive Stone Age people,

00:05:40.240 through their encounter with reflective phenomena,

00:05:42.520 were awakening archetypes of access to a point of origin.

00:05:48.320 In philosophies such as yoga or tantra,

00:05:52.420 there are ideas related to a return to a mystical point of origin

00:05:55.640 and a cosmic contact resulting in a nirvana or a samadhi, a blissful state.

00:06:01.260 So it's a very important idea.

00:06:03.240 And our ancient ancestors in the Stone Age were making contact with reflective surfaces

00:06:08.100 and that these archetypes were awakening within them.

00:06:10.600 In later, more advanced civilizations such as Greeks, they retained this magic mirror principle philosophically,

00:06:17.920 and there are expressions of that application and used to contact the dearly departed loved ones.

00:06:24.340 Western folklore has retained the conception of the magic mirror,

00:06:27.560 and we find it expressed in literary traditions such as children's fairy tales,

00:06:32.200 Snow White, for example, and the recitation of Mirror, Mirror on the Wall.

00:06:36.140 So people were, in our folkloric Western tradition, people were making use of mirrors,

00:06:41.360 but it was when the scientific revolution, of course, came that mirrors really came into play

00:06:45.260 when we started to use them in reflector telescopes.

00:06:48.140 And in fact, today, the majority of the large installation reflector telescopes in use now,

00:06:55.240 the largest installations and the majority of them are all reflector-based.

00:06:59.000 The largest telescope systems used by science, science and engineering,

00:07:02.340 recognized the powers of reflective surfaces in resolving answers to questions related to cosmic origins.

00:07:10.920 But in this case, of course, we're making indirect studies of the light from distant stars and other bodies

00:07:15.020 as they are resolved on our eyes through impact with these mirrored surfaces on those telescopes.

00:07:23.060 So the use of a mirror to resolve all kinds of complicated questions

00:07:26.760 and to make assertions even about the nature of the universe is common practice in science.

00:07:31.240 And so we are now, in this study that I conduct, we are now utilizing a mirror filtering

00:07:37.140 and applied to speech signals, which, of course, are part of our electromagnetic spectrum.

00:07:42.740 They fit into the sound, audio waveform category, which is using mirror filtering.

00:07:48.000 But it is through the study of these reflections that we are resolving the archetypes of the unconscious.

00:07:53.300 And so it's a very interesting idea.

00:07:56.580 And it's simplified when we think again about this idea of reflection.

00:08:01.520 In metaphysical terms, it means meditation in a quest for self-knowledge.

00:08:07.840 Through an act of reflection, we engage with the unconscious.

00:08:10.840 And so this practice complies with that simple concept and principle.

00:08:15.920 We're reflecting the speech signal in an attempt to understand unconscious processes

00:08:19.640 taking place within human beings who are talking and communicating that way.

00:08:24.580 I was reading the other day that some reverse speech analysts believe that the two-edged sword

00:08:29.080 spoken about in the Bible refers to speech, both forwards and backwards.

00:08:32.540 And also, the Bible also refers to the voice of the spirit as being under the tongue.

00:08:37.320 So maybe this is a reference to reverse speech.

00:08:40.040 That's a very interesting point.

00:08:44.560 I'm not a biblical scholar.

00:08:46.660 I'm sure that people who study that work could identify with what you're saying.

00:08:52.460 And then thinking of another place, Alistair Crowley, of course, he taught the law of reversal,

00:08:56.560 which is apparently at the crux of Satanism, right?

00:08:59.220 They perform everything in reverse and read backwards or in reverse speech.

00:09:03.940 A lot of times Christians think when they hear reverse speech, they think,

00:09:06.700 oh no, it's satanic.

00:09:07.720 Well, I think that people may be naive about concepts related to encryption.

00:09:13.900 You know, the term encryption etymologically relates to concepts of entonement or burying,

00:09:20.680 like burying the dead in a crypt.

00:09:23.920 So when we use that language today to discuss encoding and encoding and decoding,

00:09:31.460 which is essentially the function that is being performed here, we're decoding.

00:09:34.940 The message is encoded backwards in human speech.

00:09:38.520 The cipher is the mirror.

00:09:41.140 We're decrypting or raising the dead from a metaphysical point of view.

00:09:46.440 So concepts of death and life and encodement are tied linguistically together.

00:09:53.660 Whether or not that relates to everything that you had just mentioned, I'm not sure.

00:09:59.520 But there's concepts of du Soleil dancing in Western Europe from folkloric and pagan traditions.

00:10:09.940 Du Soleil means against the sun.

00:10:11.920 And the sun being one of the original clocks used to measure the passage of time.

00:10:18.620 So movement against time, so to speak, has implications.

00:10:23.880 It has implications in Tantra Yoga, for example, where counterclockwise rotation is considered

00:10:28.420 the descriptive of the movement of the ascending kundalini.

00:10:32.820 So the concepts of movement against time and their implications for metaphysical insight are universal.

00:10:41.860 And so when I say that the timeline stops at the mirror in this study,

00:10:46.300 it's like that Stone Age person accounting their reflection for the first time.

00:10:51.880 Time stops and their perception temporarily transports them to the concepts of the point of origin,

00:10:58.680 where I came from, as in where did I come from?

00:11:01.540 Who am I?

00:11:02.820 So do you think entire reversed conversations are taking place all the time when we speak?

00:11:09.300 No, because in my studies, the message is that transmission is not contiguous,

00:11:14.900 which means that there are pauses between transmissions.

00:11:19.880 Compared to data signaling, we could compare this to what's called burst transmission,

00:11:26.480 which means that over certain periods of time,

00:11:29.380 there are highly intense moments of verbose expression.

00:11:32.800 And then those are separated by longer periods of simple noise that's unintelligible and unresolvable.

00:11:42.660 So when picking out a genuine speech reversal, instead of trying to force together a phrase from gibberish,

00:11:48.800 it should be very obvious when you hear it back, right?

00:11:51.280 Well, in fact, my experience as an active listener is simply that the messages pronounce themselves to me.

00:12:00.120 I identify them.

00:12:02.200 I resolve them as they pronounce themselves against the backwards noise.

00:12:06.120 So there's not been great hardship in achieving those resolutions,

00:12:14.340 but there is a certain commitment of time involved because, as I said,

00:12:17.920 if it's only burst transmission, it's not contiguous.

00:12:21.400 You have to wait a certain period of time, perhaps, under those conditions before each message made its appearance.

00:12:27.100 And that would then bring into questions related to individual stamina,

00:12:31.760 like how many people can actually sit through long, prolonged periods of listening to backwards audio.

00:12:36.640 It is a very kind of unusual stimulus, to say the least.

00:12:40.340 And it has various effects on the mind of the observer during those long listening processes.

00:12:45.520 So what are Freudian slips then?

00:12:49.200 Well, a Freudian slip is just accidental communications, and they were identified.

00:12:53.940 Freud, Freud talked about it, it's unconscious behavior in speech communications.

00:13:00.100 So when we don't intend to say something, and we do, it's considered this form of accidental speech,

00:13:07.840 but it's not volitional on the part of the speaker, it's involuntary.

00:13:12.600 But is it something that we actually want to say, we're just holding back?

00:13:18.840 Well, it would seem as if there were a part of us that wanted to talk about it,

00:13:23.060 because it did, you know, the slip is an event, and I guess it's not a hypothetical.

00:13:30.380 We only comment on it after it happened.

00:13:32.700 So we could assume that there was some form of involuntary volition, but not conscious volition.

00:13:42.900 It's kind of like the muscular movements we make when we speak.

00:13:46.380 It just kind of happens sometimes.

00:13:47.520 Well, I think the most important comparison that I could make to these phenomena is what's known as sleep talking.

00:13:54.400 Do you know anyone who talks in their sleep?

00:13:56.240 Well, I do.

00:13:57.480 Well, those motions are involuntary as well, and unconscious,

00:14:01.920 because although someone who made, if someone were to observe you while you were practicing that,

00:14:08.160 they would be able to hear you making speech sounds,

00:14:10.780 but they would recognize that due to the fact that you were asleep,

00:14:15.040 that it was not conscious behavior on your part.

00:14:17.820 And therefore, I say that we understand that there's such thing as unconscious speech behavior,

00:14:22.280 and that the hidden messages in human speech that are hidden backwards within human speech

00:14:28.080 are also unconscious in their origins.

00:14:30.540 So is reverse speech used to subliminally send messages, perhaps?

00:14:38.680 Well, these messaging transmissions can be detected through periods of observation,

00:14:44.380 and so we claim that transmissions occur.

00:14:47.420 Yes, there are such things.

00:14:49.800 Now, do you think that words also carry power with them?

00:14:52.400 Are we creating when we hear them or speak them, whether forwards or backwards?

00:14:56.240 Are we creating?

00:15:01.160 Well, I guess there's two questions in that.

00:15:02.920 Are we creating, and do words have powers of their own?

00:15:07.340 So to answer the second question,

00:15:11.220 in yoga practice, there are concepts related to sounds that are calibrated to

00:15:18.640 decrypt cosmic constructs that reside within the human body,

00:15:25.720 and so when people recite a mantra during a yoga meditation,

00:15:30.580 there's this understanding that if they work with that sound,

00:15:33.640 somehow there's something key about that sound that will activate something within them,

00:15:37.280 so those words are considered to have powers,

00:15:42.020 but particularly in that context,

00:15:44.060 the powers of the words are an attribute granted by the chief instructor,

00:15:49.560 which would be a guru.

00:15:50.660 So the guru's blessing gives the mantra,

00:15:54.280 it imbues the mantra with a special vibration that activates higher consciousness in the practitioner.

00:15:59.580 So under those conditions, I understand that.

00:16:03.660 Are we creating?

00:16:05.520 Yes, I think people are very creative.

00:16:07.820 People are creating things all the time.

00:16:10.560 Now, I think we should talk about a few of your landmark discoveries you've made public.

00:16:14.140 Can you tell us about a few?

00:16:15.000 Well, I was able to expose factual information pertaining to the Iraq war two years before it began

00:16:22.820 through numerous appearances on broadcast radio,

00:16:26.360 and it was my observation that President Bush, during his inaugural address,

00:16:30.460 gave utterance to a remark referring to a mission of Baghdad,

00:16:35.020 and that the pastor who spoke after him to give a benediction

00:16:37.820 commented on a missile attack in an unconscious way.

00:16:42.360 And so when I paired these two pieces of data together,

00:16:45.960 I saw a picture related to what would eventually become the Shakinah strikes

00:16:53.360 that initiated the war against Iraq,

00:16:56.300 which was something like a dozen years, ten years long.

00:16:59.460 So I picked up on military-grade intelligence,

00:17:03.520 and I can say that it was military-grade because the level of precision was very high.

00:17:07.900 It described the point, the target, by geographic name,

00:17:13.360 and it described the military strategy, which was cruise missile strikes

00:17:18.220 that was at the beginning of the Iraq war.

00:17:20.340 So that's military-grade intelligence,

00:17:23.000 and it's a matter of public record that I issued all those reports.

00:17:27.060 I have time or date-stamped air check tapes from the radio station,

00:17:32.620 for example, where I first gave that broadcast the Monday after the inaugural address,

00:17:38.480 and the cassette has the station logo on it,

00:17:43.160 their letter mark and the letterhead, excuse me,

00:17:47.880 and the show that I gave that broadcast on is still on the air,

00:17:50.880 so any curious person could simply contact them and ask them

00:17:53.860 to check their logs to see if that broadcast occurred.

00:17:56.700 I gave a series of broadcasts like this,

00:17:59.020 and they were alike in the sense that I shared what turned out to be predictive materials

00:18:06.660 with the public before events occurred.

00:18:08.760 And so when I was asked to appear in Wichita, Kansas on morning radio

00:18:15.040 about ten years ago or so,

00:18:17.960 there was a case going on in the region related to a notorious criminal called the BTK Killer

00:18:28.720 who had been active in Wichita in the 1970s.

00:18:32.600 And during that period of time, he used to taunt police and local journalists

00:18:35.340 with letters saying how they would never be able to catch him.

00:18:39.420 And in those letters, he also detailed the crimes in such a way

00:18:42.180 that the police recognized that only a person who would be on the scene would know those details.

00:18:45.540 So the police authenticated the letters and said,

00:18:48.120 these are from the real killer, although they hadn't caught him.

00:18:52.440 By the time I became aware of the story,

00:18:56.260 there had been more deaths in the 1990s,

00:19:00.120 and then the police in town had arrested someone on suspicion,

00:19:03.320 and they had them in a local county jail.

00:19:05.620 And so this individual gave an interview to local television,

00:19:08.380 and I studied that interview,

00:19:10.140 and he was just talking about bureaucratic paperwork

00:19:14.300 and preparing for a hearing before a judge.

00:19:17.220 But I heard more information,

00:19:19.120 and what I detected was an issue related to spirit possession

00:19:24.080 and demonic possession.

00:19:27.480 The demons influenced that guy, is what I heard.

00:19:31.900 And I thought that was really, really strange and odd,

00:19:35.040 because I had a number of years of clinical work behind me already,

00:19:38.400 and I wasn't coming across a lot of messages pertaining to the subject.

00:19:41.400 So I thought this was really unusual.

00:19:44.740 There and there, I began my research of this individual

00:19:47.760 and of the BTK case to look deeper to see if there were

00:19:50.760 any strange, you know, strange tangents to this story

00:19:56.640 that had to do with demonic possession, the occult, etc.

00:19:59.300 Well, this is where it took me back to these letters that BTK had written.

00:20:05.940 Because in those letters, not only were there details of the crimes

00:20:08.880 that authenticated them as being written by the original killer,

00:20:11.780 but there were claims pertaining to demonic possession.

00:20:15.800 And so parallelism of the letters of BTK

00:20:19.560 and these unconscious utterances of Dennis Rader,

00:20:22.940 who was being held in the jail, were striking to me.

00:20:26.600 And so I went on the air on Wichita morning radio

00:20:29.820 15 minutes before Dennis Rader's hearing, before a judge,

00:20:35.040 and I gave my report, IDing him as the killer based on that evidence.

00:20:41.140 And at 7 o'clock that morning,

00:20:44.880 Dennis Rader made his appearance before the judge

00:20:46.820 and for more than one hour gave a chilling confession

00:20:50.480 to all of the BTK crimes.

00:20:52.220 So I was IDing him on the air in his hometown

00:20:59.120 where the story happened 15 minutes before

00:21:02.160 he gave this shocking, shocking and graphic confession

00:21:06.180 to all of the BTK crimes.

00:21:08.100 So this is forensic-grade intelligence now.

00:21:12.320 We have military-grade intelligence,

00:21:14.660 forensic-grade intelligence.

00:21:16.020 We also have medical-grade intelligence emerging from this work

00:21:22.740 and that the applications are in the personal counseling

00:21:25.300 that I do by telephone.

00:21:27.140 And so as a short-term intervention,

00:21:29.700 this work is helping people to bypass

00:21:32.640 very, very long processes,

00:21:35.060 long, protracted, drawn-out processes of discovery

00:21:37.340 in conventional talk therapies.

00:21:40.600 We're intervening because we only require short speech samples

00:21:43.840 to detect unconscious behavior.

00:21:46.540 And when we can create a feedback loop

00:21:48.160 wherein the participants encounter their own unconscious speech

00:21:51.200 and hear it for themselves,

00:21:53.140 it can promote tremendous cathartic responses.

00:21:56.760 So there are claims about the private sessions

00:21:59.360 wherein people say they've been in psychiatric counseling

00:22:03.840 for seven years every week

00:22:06.020 and that we had covered all the ground

00:22:08.860 that seven years of psychiatric counseling

00:22:11.740 had covered in one session.

00:22:13.120 So people are making such claims

00:22:16.180 and I've been practicing this counseling application

00:22:21.060 for more than a dozen years.

00:22:23.320 So really, I saw value in this work

00:22:28.220 that could be realized at a grassroots level

00:22:30.780 that helping people in communities

00:22:32.360 to re-access and discover resources

00:22:35.520 for creativity and wellness

00:22:36.800 and that when our society became populated

00:22:39.740 by healthy people,

00:22:40.780 I knew that we would be taking steps

00:22:44.060 towards creating a better society.

00:22:45.620 So I was very inspired

00:22:46.940 and I remain inspired

00:22:47.860 by the quality of the work

00:22:49.320 that comes out of the telephone sessions

00:22:50.760 as well as the valuable intelligence

00:22:54.040 that can be derived

00:22:56.680 from applying these studies

00:22:58.020 to the speech

00:22:59.400 of important political figures or otherwise.

00:23:04.160 Do you think we can use this practice

00:23:06.100 to find out anything we want to know

00:23:07.780 or are there limits, do you think?

00:23:10.140 Well, like everything in this world,

00:23:11.820 I think there are limits.

00:23:15.700 You know, an example of that would be

00:23:17.620 sometimes people become very enthusiastic

00:23:20.380 about participating in private sessions

00:23:22.120 and they want to book more than one session per week.

00:23:24.520 And what we discover is

00:23:26.940 after two or three sessions

00:23:29.480 that are closely booked together

00:23:31.480 that the repository of messages

00:23:34.080 that that person is able to communicate

00:23:35.820 dwindles.

00:23:38.020 And we'll even find material that says,

00:23:40.440 and I'm paraphrasing,

00:23:41.860 there's no messages today,

00:23:44.740 you know, come back next week.

00:23:46.520 The unconscious speaker

00:23:47.600 doesn't want to be harangued,

00:23:50.440 you know, with demands.

00:23:52.440 There are natural processes.

00:23:54.340 When we plant a seed in the ground,

00:23:57.120 we want to, you know, water it,

00:23:59.480 put some earth over it,

00:24:00.860 and then we want to just leave it alone

00:24:02.500 to do its thing.

00:24:03.400 When we intervene

00:24:04.420 on people's most intimate personal issues,

00:24:08.000 we also want to touch them

00:24:10.340 in a way that is not creating

00:24:14.300 a lingering, you know, disturbance

00:24:15.980 as a result of those interventions.

00:24:17.640 So it's important to understand

00:24:21.780 longer-term processes

00:24:23.020 than to necessarily attach,

00:24:28.500 you know,

00:24:29.000 need everything to happen at once.

00:24:30.840 I mean, there's a reason

00:24:32.120 why we have such a thing as time.

00:24:33.780 I'm compressing the timeline

00:24:35.340 to get to, you know,

00:24:36.760 shortcuts to information,

00:24:38.460 but there are also real reasons

00:24:40.160 why we have such a thing as time.

00:24:41.980 So we can't cheat time

00:24:43.440 in the ultimate sense,

00:24:45.080 but this isn't cheating.

00:24:46.320 It's decryption.

00:24:47.540 The messages are encoded

00:24:48.760 in our speech,

00:24:49.540 and the mirror is the tool

00:24:51.760 that we use to decode them.

00:24:53.940 Yeah, it also seems

00:24:54.940 that our higher self,

00:24:55.980 our unconscious self,

00:24:56.760 it will speak

00:24:57.740 when we really need

00:24:58.720 to hear something.

00:24:59.720 But if we're doing all right,

00:25:01.200 maybe it's not going to be as loud.

00:25:02.540 Well, yeah.

00:25:06.760 So there's, you know,

00:25:08.240 these are questions

00:25:09.800 that remain for further studies

00:25:11.520 in terms of, you know,

00:25:13.540 volume, frequency of transmission,

00:25:16.460 these kinds of questions.

00:25:18.420 But in practice,

00:25:20.040 we can engage the unconscious speaker.

00:25:22.660 That's good news.

00:25:24.120 And the unconscious speaker

00:25:25.040 wants to talk to us.

00:25:26.980 That inner voice wants to be heard.

00:25:28.660 And there are different benefits

00:25:30.860 to engaging that.

00:25:32.560 But at the same time,

00:25:34.720 you know,

00:25:35.900 there's transformational processes

00:25:37.280 that can be evoked from that.

00:25:41.040 Change, in other words,

00:25:42.120 may be scary.

00:25:43.940 You know,

00:25:44.160 the prospect of actually changing

00:25:45.520 instead of just complaining

00:25:46.600 about this problem

00:25:47.280 that I've had

00:25:47.740 for the last five years,

00:25:49.240 now I'm going to become

00:25:49.980 someone different?

00:25:50.760 What?

00:25:51.320 I'm all in attachment,

00:25:52.860 you know,

00:25:53.040 to my issue

00:25:53.740 and identifying with that.

00:25:55.500 So you see

00:25:56.860 all these different challenges.

00:25:58.260 The people,

00:25:58.980 we naturally want to grow

00:26:00.680 and develop

00:26:01.120 but at the same time

00:26:01.940 all these inhibitors

00:26:02.780 that we're wrestling with.

00:26:05.520 And so for people

00:26:06.240 to make progress,

00:26:07.740 you know,

00:26:08.080 it needs a lot of resources,

00:26:10.280 energy,

00:26:10.460 a lot of focus,

00:26:11.280 a lot of care and attention

00:26:12.280 for us to actually

00:26:13.640 do a breakthrough

00:26:14.260 in terms of

00:26:15.720 working in an intervention.

00:26:18.080 Now,

00:26:18.460 I work mostly by telephone

00:26:19.680 which speaks to this point

00:26:21.200 whereby

00:26:22.180 there's no real

00:26:23.300 physical stimulus

00:26:25.600 from the practitioner,

00:26:26.820 no visual stimulus,

00:26:27.720 there's no territorial

00:26:29.300 signaling going on

00:26:31.700 with two people

00:26:32.280 in the same room.

00:26:33.840 My approach to sessions

00:26:35.980 minimizes all of these

00:26:37.440 kinds of other

00:26:38.340 flows

00:26:40.580 that can come up

00:26:42.900 when people start

00:26:44.720 getting into

00:26:45.280 very detailed

00:26:46.020 and personal issues.

00:26:48.980 It becomes much easier

00:26:50.980 to work by telephone

00:26:51.760 because by telephone

00:26:52.700 we don't have,

00:26:54.160 there's no,

00:26:54.500 you know,

00:26:55.780 there's no physical

00:26:56.320 proximity,

00:26:57.500 the only stimulus

00:26:58.240 is the sound

00:26:58.740 and that,

00:26:59.260 for this procedure

00:27:00.460 to work,

00:27:00.880 all we need

00:27:01.340 is the speech signal.

00:27:03.100 So,

00:27:03.680 I ultimately

00:27:05.080 settled on producing

00:27:06.700 telephone sessions

00:27:07.480 as the core of that work

00:27:08.500 and it also allows

00:27:10.040 people to work with me

00:27:10.780 from remote distances

00:27:11.800 so most of the people

00:27:12.760 who work with me

00:27:14.080 will be out of town,

00:27:15.820 out of region,

00:27:16.700 convenience,

00:27:17.340 the telephone allows

00:27:18.040 for that.

00:27:18.900 It seems like

00:27:19.380 it can be a real

00:27:20.060 intimate thing

00:27:20.820 if people go

00:27:21.380 and listen to

00:27:21.900 your speech backwards

00:27:23.440 since it seems to,

00:27:25.200 it reveals insecurity

00:27:26.360 and maybe private thoughts

00:27:27.740 that you wouldn't say,

00:27:29.380 right?

00:27:29.920 The things that you may

00:27:30.880 not even tell

00:27:31.440 your counselor

00:27:32.080 because of the ego's

00:27:33.680 role as a censor.

00:27:36.040 In terms of

00:27:36.920 this concept

00:27:37.560 of self-preservation,

00:27:38.580 it comes back

00:27:39.060 as I was saying earlier

00:27:40.000 that although

00:27:41.040 the idea of change

00:27:42.360 may seem appealing

00:27:43.740 at first,

00:27:44.860 in the course

00:27:45.620 of doing so

00:27:46.280 we will discover

00:27:47.060 that we may have

00:27:48.340 different types

00:27:48.960 of attachments

00:27:49.560 to things staying

00:27:50.440 the way they are

00:27:51.120 even if they're

00:27:51.880 working against us.

00:27:53.660 We are more habituated

00:27:55.020 and maybe even

00:27:56.060 perhaps lazy

00:27:56.760 in some ways

00:27:57.440 to changing our habits

00:27:59.000 and so

00:28:00.080 to get someone

00:28:01.240 to change their habits

00:28:02.240 I'm sure you know

00:28:03.180 that that's a difficult thing.

00:28:07.140 So speech analysis

00:28:09.360 doesn't force anyone

00:28:11.400 into changing anything.

00:28:13.780 A person would have,

00:28:14.680 in other words,

00:28:15.080 a person has to come

00:28:16.280 wanting change

00:28:17.320 to begin with.

00:28:19.280 A successful participant

00:28:21.100 has to be

00:28:21.720 at a certain stage

00:28:23.040 in their growth

00:28:24.160 along that path,

00:28:25.440 their progress

00:28:25.920 along that path

00:28:26.520 to want to make,

00:28:27.640 to leap,

00:28:30.160 to make a cognitive

00:28:31.600 leap towards change.

00:28:33.980 So these are,

00:28:36.480 you know,

00:28:36.680 these are very fine points

00:28:37.880 but there are questions

00:28:38.880 that come up

00:28:40.440 for individuals

00:28:41.100 who are working

00:28:41.720 in these areas

00:28:42.940 in counseling,

00:28:44.180 these different

00:28:44.740 sort of barometric

00:28:45.480 measurements and qualifiers

00:28:47.000 that help us

00:28:47.620 to understand performance

00:28:48.860 in terms of

00:28:50.480 participant performance

00:28:52.300 and success

00:28:52.880 within the context

00:28:53.640 of a session

00:28:54.220 and what the practitioner

00:28:55.820 can promise

00:28:56.380 and what,

00:28:56.980 you know,

00:28:57.620 what are the possibilities.

00:28:59.940 Again,

00:29:00.640 they're very important points.

00:29:02.160 I've tailored

00:29:02.980 my presentations

00:29:03.760 to minimize

00:29:05.420 the number of participants

00:29:07.040 who may or may not

00:29:08.120 have the stamina

00:29:08.760 to complete a session

00:29:10.380 where we encounter

00:29:11.040 some powerful material.

00:29:12.080 as I said,

00:29:13.560 the shock

00:29:14.180 of the possibility

00:29:15.400 of real change

00:29:16.300 can be very great

00:29:18.000 and if a person

00:29:19.620 has entered a session

00:29:20.400 without comprehending

00:29:21.900 what possible outcomes

00:29:24.300 could be there,

00:29:26.040 that person may not

00:29:27.360 have the stamina

00:29:28.420 to complete a session.

00:29:29.640 And so early

00:29:30.220 in my practice,

00:29:31.020 I would run into people

00:29:32.280 going,

00:29:32.680 whoa,

00:29:33.220 I don't want to deal

00:29:34.000 with this,

00:29:34.540 you know.

00:29:35.420 That's enough.

00:29:36.460 They came because

00:29:37.540 they just want to find out

00:29:38.340 how they're going

00:29:38.680 to get rich.

00:29:40.960 Well,

00:29:41.500 yeah,

00:29:41.700 and again,

00:29:42.100 and I wasn't encouraging,

00:29:43.760 you know,

00:29:44.500 I wasn't promising

00:29:45.400 that I was going

00:29:46.540 to give people

00:29:47.220 financial advice

00:29:48.000 of any kind.

00:29:49.200 Really,

00:29:49.620 my goal was to find

00:29:50.440 the trauma victims

00:29:51.160 and work with them,

00:29:52.500 the recovering

00:29:52.920 and surviving trauma victims

00:29:54.060 in our society

00:29:54.740 because the population

00:29:55.960 is vast.

00:29:56.500 The Catholic Church,

00:29:58.300 the YMCA,

00:29:59.220 you know,

00:29:59.560 the Boy Scouts,

00:30:00.460 there are scandals everywhere.

00:30:02.200 It's not hard to find

00:30:03.220 that there's a large community

00:30:04.260 of people who need services

00:30:05.200 and this offers

00:30:06.380 an opportunity,

00:30:07.280 you know,

00:30:07.480 beyond the abhorrent corruption

00:30:09.660 of medicine

00:30:10.400 and big pharmacies

00:30:11.340 that are pushing

00:30:12.360 for completely different

00:30:13.600 non-solutions.

00:30:15.080 This is a simple,

00:30:16.720 easy-to-execute procedure.

00:30:18.380 It doesn't take

00:30:18.820 an indefinite amount of time.

00:30:20.040 It doesn't take seven years

00:30:20.900 of a person's life.

00:30:22.120 You know,

00:30:22.260 they don't have to mortgage

00:30:22.880 their house

00:30:23.380 to enter into sessions

00:30:24.560 and this is about people

00:30:26.700 taking care of themselves

00:30:27.560 and communities

00:30:28.600 learning to take care

00:30:29.560 of themselves.

00:30:30.620 This is a very advanced procedure

00:30:32.860 and it is still considered

00:30:36.020 highly controversial.

00:30:37.480 It has no real hollowed place

00:30:40.100 in academia

00:30:40.660 but it is,

00:30:43.380 it has been exposed

00:30:44.720 and utilized

00:30:46.060 in highly professional organizations

00:30:48.340 who are involved

00:30:49.020 in things like

00:30:49.540 signals intelligence

00:30:50.320 and it really,

00:30:52.800 it provides

00:30:53.680 an advanced procedure

00:30:55.160 for interrogation.

00:30:56.920 You know,

00:30:57.840 it's not just the,

00:30:58.540 the psychologists

00:30:59.260 down at Gitmo

00:31:00.080 who are interested

00:31:01.200 in interrogating.

00:31:02.760 Dr. J.L. and Hynek,

00:31:04.620 the government's,

00:31:05.480 the federal government's

00:31:06.120 UFO scientist

00:31:06.820 who was working

00:31:08.220 on Project Blue Book

00:31:09.220 commented in his work

00:31:11.200 that he felt

00:31:13.260 in hindsight

00:31:13.980 that Blue Book

00:31:14.520 was a fraud

00:31:15.320 or a cover-up

00:31:16.020 and that one of the

00:31:18.240 identifying signatures

00:31:19.800 of that was there were,

00:31:20.580 there were no,

00:31:21.140 there were no advances

00:31:22.260 in procedures

00:31:23.540 and methodology.

00:31:24.220 there was nothing innovative

00:31:26.280 coming out of

00:31:27.200 the Blue Book

00:31:27.800 work environment.

00:31:28.720 As a scientist,

00:31:29.480 Dr. Hynek was used

00:31:30.260 to innovative people

00:31:31.480 coming up with new approaches

00:31:32.440 to solving problems

00:31:33.400 and he said in particular

00:31:35.140 there was no innovative approach

00:31:36.800 to the interrogation

00:31:37.700 of UFO witnesses

00:31:38.480 and there was any,

00:31:40.520 and he recognized

00:31:41.120 that there was

00:31:41.680 a vast gap

00:31:43.420 in working with that material.

00:31:45.940 So at this time now

00:31:47.160 in the early 21st century

00:31:48.180 we have a huge legacy

00:31:49.160 of 20th century audio recordings

00:31:50.600 from the UFO contactees

00:31:51.800 in the last 60 odd years.

00:31:54.600 There's a huge legacy

00:31:55.320 of their radio interviews

00:31:56.320 and other recordings

00:31:57.700 that we can utilize

00:31:58.980 for this type of research

00:32:00.880 and we can exponentially

00:32:02.620 multiply the amount

00:32:03.620 of data,

00:32:04.380 usable information

00:32:05.220 and data

00:32:05.560 that is still retained

00:32:07.540 and encrypted

00:32:08.340 within that repository.

00:32:10.560 So this is a very,

00:32:11.820 very progressive tool

00:32:12.740 but at the same time

00:32:14.660 in North America

00:32:17.060 we've fallen under

00:32:19.320 what could be considered

00:32:21.240 government by secrecy

00:32:22.380 or rule by secrecy

00:32:23.720 and so the perception

00:32:27.900 of, you know,

00:32:28.480 the abstract notion

00:32:29.480 that these types of studies

00:32:30.740 pose some kind of a threat

00:32:32.100 to that kind of,

00:32:33.180 the continuity

00:32:33.720 of that kind of structure,

00:32:34.840 that kind of leadership structure

00:32:35.960 or organizational structure

00:32:37.040 exists as well.

00:32:39.040 So for a person

00:32:40.280 who's practicing

00:32:40.860 this technique

00:32:42.340 in the hope

00:32:42.940 to reach as many people

00:32:43.800 as possible,

00:32:44.960 you know,

00:32:45.200 through media

00:32:45.760 and other venues

00:32:47.200 so they can do

00:32:48.260 that special work

00:32:49.280 that people can benefit

00:32:50.540 from,

00:32:51.240 the personal one-on-one work

00:32:53.380 or the couple's work.

00:32:55.620 There's also,

00:32:56.380 there are a lot of dangers

00:32:57.320 related to whistleblowing

00:32:59.580 and other kinds of questions.

00:33:00.720 You know,

00:33:00.840 not everybody

00:33:01.420 who advances

00:33:03.240 new ideas and knowledge

00:33:04.300 in Western society

00:33:06.080 gets to live

00:33:07.680 the full length

00:33:09.360 of their natural life.

00:33:10.980 Yeah.

00:33:11.180 So you think

00:33:13.020 is the military

00:33:13.880 using reverse speech

00:33:14.980 for intelligence gathering

00:33:16.300 perhaps?

00:33:17.860 Well,

00:33:18.540 anybody who's

00:33:19.560 interested in signals

00:33:20.820 gathering

00:33:21.320 and decoding,

00:33:23.580 you know,

00:33:24.000 looking for encryption

00:33:24.980 and communication

00:33:25.680 is potentially

00:33:27.940 using this tool

00:33:28.780 but I'm not

00:33:29.840 party to any

00:33:30.520 of those,

00:33:30.780 you know,

00:33:31.520 organizations

00:33:32.040 so I can't speak

00:33:33.600 on their behalf.

00:33:35.000 So have you heard

00:33:36.120 the clips of Obama's

00:33:37.240 famous

00:33:37.700 yes we can

00:33:38.660 slogan backwards?

00:33:40.820 Yo.

00:33:41.180 Thank you Satan.

00:33:42.340 So what is that?

00:33:43.340 What is coming

00:33:43.800 through there?

00:33:45.580 Well,

00:33:46.100 I think there's

00:33:46.700 a mass projection

00:33:47.720 on the part

00:33:48.460 of a heavily,

00:33:49.780 you know,

00:33:50.500 Judeo-Christian

00:33:51.300 influenced society

00:33:52.980 that looks for,

00:33:54.240 you know,

00:33:55.220 biblical type

00:33:56.180 materials

00:33:56.920 in any venue.

00:34:00.560 I mean,

00:34:00.820 the postulation

00:34:01.660 that there's

00:34:02.240 a good God

00:34:02.740 and a bad God

00:34:03.560 to someone like myself,

00:34:05.260 a modest like myself

00:34:06.240 is ridiculous

00:34:06.860 so I don't even

00:34:08.460 put any

00:34:09.280 much more

00:34:10.720 energy

00:34:11.400 into exploring

00:34:12.580 what that

00:34:13.960 may or may not

00:34:14.540 mean.

00:34:15.120 It doesn't mean

00:34:15.520 anything to me

00:34:16.100 and I'm the

00:34:17.320 expert practitioner.

00:34:19.800 So what do you

00:34:20.620 think about,

00:34:21.180 I know this might

00:34:21.720 just be back

00:34:22.380 masking but,

00:34:23.800 you know,

00:34:24.060 in the 60s

00:34:24.740 a lot of people

00:34:25.140 played music

00:34:25.660 backwards

00:34:26.040 and they heard

00:34:26.700 satanic messages

00:34:27.580 so what is that?

00:34:30.620 Well,

00:34:31.640 you know,

00:34:32.220 with the advancement

00:34:33.860 of recording technology

00:34:34.980 one thing

00:34:35.500 that began

00:34:35.980 to come

00:34:37.220 into production

00:34:37.760 studios

00:34:38.100 is called

00:34:38.460 multi-track

00:34:39.100 recording.

00:34:40.660 So with the

00:34:41.500 availability

00:34:41.880 of 8-track,

00:34:43.420 16-track,

00:34:43.940 32-track

00:34:44.540 recording,

00:34:45.560 musicians

00:34:46.040 with

00:34:46.780 found these

00:34:47.300 spare tracks

00:34:47.940 could be used

00:34:48.620 for other

00:34:49.660 kinds of

00:34:50.260 novelty

00:34:50.640 experimental

00:34:51.660 materials

00:34:53.200 and some

00:34:54.580 of those

00:34:54.820 experimental

00:34:55.180 materials

00:34:55.600 included

00:34:56.060 deliberately

00:34:57.280 placed

00:34:58.980 messages

00:35:00.140 that were

00:35:00.900 derived from

00:35:01.660 intentional

00:35:02.380 recording

00:35:02.940 procedures.

00:35:04.160 So they

00:35:04.760 planted

00:35:06.360 messages

00:35:06.860 in their

00:35:07.160 records

00:35:08.220 whether for

00:35:09.660 aesthetic,

00:35:10.920 philosophical,

00:35:12.180 religious,

00:35:13.120 commercial reasons,

00:35:14.040 I don't know

00:35:15.160 but those

00:35:15.600 exist.

00:35:16.920 There is such

00:35:17.420 a thing as

00:35:17.760 back masking

00:35:18.220 but that's

00:35:18.680 not what I'm

00:35:19.060 studying.

00:35:19.500 I'm studying

00:35:20.020 organic,

00:35:22.820 naturally

00:35:23.440 emerging

00:35:23.940 everyday

00:35:25.080 human

00:35:25.620 communications

00:35:26.320 and their

00:35:27.380 encryptions

00:35:28.120 not something

00:35:29.760 that was

00:35:30.000 contrived

00:35:30.420 in a studio.

00:35:31.140 Sure,

00:35:31.320 got that.

00:35:32.640 Now is

00:35:33.080 there a

00:35:33.340 difference

00:35:33.620 if someone

00:35:33.980 wanted to

00:35:34.360 do this

00:35:34.680 procedure on

00:35:35.240 their own,

00:35:35.980 is there

00:35:36.360 a different

00:35:37.340 outcome if

00:35:38.000 you're recording

00:35:38.700 and just

00:35:39.080 talking to

00:35:39.520 yourself versus

00:35:40.160 speaking with

00:35:40.800 another person

00:35:41.440 in your

00:35:41.740 recording and

00:35:43.080 then listening

00:35:43.500 back?

00:35:45.340 Well,

00:35:46.720 people can

00:35:50.860 study these

00:35:52.380 phenomena using

00:35:53.240 the tools that

00:35:53.860 are available.

00:35:54.400 There's a lot

00:35:54.660 of software

00:35:55.060 tools that

00:35:55.580 people can

00:35:55.980 use on

00:35:56.260 their computers

00:35:56.780 for recording

00:35:57.480 and filtering

00:35:58.320 and a lot

00:35:58.900 of them have

00:35:59.340 mirror filters

00:36:00.300 but in

00:36:01.240 terms of

00:36:01.560 outcomes

00:36:02.200 it's

00:36:06.600 possible

00:36:07.020 under

00:36:07.260 both

00:36:07.560 circumstances

00:36:08.280 that you

00:36:08.600 described

00:36:08.960 that there

00:36:09.240 could be

00:36:09.520 transmissions.

00:36:10.120 It would

00:36:10.840 really just

00:36:11.420 depend on

00:36:12.560 the individual

00:36:13.020 and circumstances.

00:36:13.840 without any

00:36:17.400 kind of

00:36:17.860 baseline

00:36:18.220 references

00:36:18.820 it can

00:36:19.760 be

00:36:19.920 difficult

00:36:20.280 to

00:36:20.980 place

00:36:21.940 our

00:36:22.120 discoveries

00:36:22.560 within

00:36:22.880 any

00:36:23.100 kind

00:36:23.280 of

00:36:23.400 meaningful

00:36:23.760 context.

00:36:26.100 So

00:36:26.580 when I

00:36:28.960 studied

00:36:30.820 these

00:36:31.080 very

00:36:31.520 controversial

00:36:32.600 issues

00:36:33.400 in society

00:36:34.780 and made

00:36:35.500 public

00:36:35.880 pronouncements

00:36:36.660 about them

00:36:37.140 I also

00:36:38.360 established

00:36:38.980 baselines

00:36:39.540 that meant

00:36:40.920 that my

00:36:42.100 work could

00:36:42.420 be vetted

00:36:42.840 and it

00:36:44.100 was

00:36:44.440 heavily

00:36:45.840 vetted

00:36:46.180 over a

00:36:46.600 long period

00:36:46.920 of time.

00:36:47.720 So I

00:36:47.960 created a

00:36:48.480 position where

00:36:49.360 there was

00:36:49.620 at least

00:36:50.040 one

00:36:50.580 practitioner

00:36:51.000 who had

00:36:51.320 a track

00:36:51.620 record

00:36:51.840 for

00:36:52.040 accuracy

00:36:52.560 that people

00:36:53.420 could use

00:36:53.820 that as

00:36:54.120 a baseline

00:36:54.600 but people

00:36:55.520 have to

00:36:55.860 establish

00:36:56.100 their own

00:36:56.380 baselines

00:36:56.740 if they

00:36:57.020 want to

00:36:57.260 pursue

00:36:57.440 this

00:36:57.640 they

00:36:57.800 will

00:36:57.920 have

00:36:58.140 to

00:36:58.300 vet

00:36:58.560 their

00:36:58.980 content

00:36:59.360 and

00:36:59.620 receive

00:37:00.060 feedback

00:37:00.460 about

00:37:00.780 their

00:37:00.960 findings

00:37:01.320 and

00:37:02.360 that

00:37:02.720 may

00:37:02.860 be

00:37:02.960 best

00:37:03.180 served

00:37:03.420 through

00:37:03.580 a

00:37:03.680 classroom

00:37:04.000 environment

00:37:04.400 where

00:37:04.660 students

00:37:05.540 can work

00:37:05.920 together

00:37:06.340 meet

00:37:06.960 together

00:37:07.240 as a

00:37:07.480 community

00:37:07.800 and form

00:37:08.120 community

00:37:08.540 around

00:37:09.160 that

00:37:09.420 to

00:37:09.660 engage

00:37:10.160 in

00:37:10.280 those

00:37:10.440 types

00:37:10.800 of

00:37:10.940 feedback

00:37:11.180 but

00:37:11.620 in

00:37:12.060 the

00:37:12.160 absence

00:37:12.340 of

00:37:12.540 any

00:37:12.680 baseline

00:37:13.060 measurement

00:37:13.600 our

00:37:14.820 observations

00:37:15.240 may be

00:37:15.600 meaningless

00:37:16.520 I think

00:37:17.500 that was

00:37:17.740 what

00:37:17.900 Ingo

00:37:18.140 Swan

00:37:18.480 talked

00:37:19.100 about

00:37:19.420 in his

00:37:19.880 book

00:37:20.180 about

00:37:20.440 remote

00:37:20.720 viewing

00:37:21.000 Ingo

00:37:21.660 Swan

00:37:21.880 the founder

00:37:22.300 of

00:37:22.460 remote

00:37:22.660 viewing

00:37:22.840 talked

00:37:24.000 about

00:37:24.340 the need

00:37:24.940 for

00:37:25.080 baselines

00:37:25.540 that he

00:37:25.940 was

00:37:26.160 not

00:37:26.600 interested

00:37:27.000 in

00:37:27.400 speculative

00:37:28.000 research

00:37:28.760 into

00:37:29.100 subjects

00:37:29.620 that he

00:37:29.920 could

00:37:30.060 never

00:37:30.300 evaluate

00:37:30.740 in

00:37:30.920 his

00:37:31.060 own

00:37:31.200 lifetime

00:37:31.520 so

00:37:32.600 as

00:37:33.280 opposed

00:37:33.580 to

00:37:33.740 looking

00:37:33.920 for

00:37:34.100 answers

00:37:34.400 to

00:37:34.600 questions

00:37:34.900 about

00:37:35.180 the

00:37:35.480 dark

00:37:36.240 side

00:37:36.540 of

00:37:36.660 the

00:37:36.760 Andromeda

00:37:37.160 galaxy

00:37:37.640 where

00:37:38.360 I

00:37:38.620 probably

00:37:38.920 won't

00:37:39.100 be

00:37:39.320 flying

00:37:39.880 by

00:37:40.080 there

00:37:40.240 anytime

00:37:40.480 soon

00:37:40.900 I

00:37:41.680 won't

00:37:41.820 be

00:37:41.940 able

00:37:42.020 to

00:37:42.120 receive

00:37:42.320 any

00:37:42.500 feedback

00:37:42.760 about

00:37:43.180 any

00:37:44.180 hypothetical

00:37:44.620 claims

00:37:45.020 so

00:37:45.220 instead

00:37:45.460 of

00:37:45.580 studying

00:37:45.820 subjects

00:37:46.140 like

00:37:46.300 that

00:37:46.500 I'm

00:37:46.880 focused

00:37:47.160 on

00:37:47.340 studying

00:37:47.640 as

00:37:47.860 I

00:37:47.960 said

00:37:48.160 I'm

00:37:48.320 in

00:37:49.040 the

00:37:49.180 clinic

00:37:50.000 working

00:37:50.360 with

00:37:50.920 individuals

00:37:51.440 today

00:37:52.040 with

00:37:52.340 real

00:37:53.000 problems

00:37:53.380 today

00:37:53.660 and

00:37:53.840 receiving

00:37:54.400 feedback

00:37:54.800 about

00:37:55.160 my

00:37:55.360 observations

00:37:55.800 and

00:37:56.100 so

00:37:56.280 that

00:37:57.120 is

00:38:03.580 creating

00:38:05.520 circumstances

00:38:06.100 by which

00:38:06.540 I'm

00:38:06.680 called

00:38:06.880 to

00:38:07.060 practice

00:38:07.480 in

00:38:07.760 this

00:38:07.920 field

00:38:08.200 is

00:38:08.720 a

00:38:08.840 continuous

00:38:09.120 process

00:38:09.540 and

00:38:10.080 never

00:38:10.480 ending

00:38:10.740 process

00:38:11.100 of

00:38:11.300 refinement

00:38:11.760 so

00:38:12.380 a

00:38:12.500 person

00:38:12.660 who

00:38:12.780 wanted

00:38:12.940 to

00:38:13.060 succeed

00:38:13.320 in

00:38:13.420 this

00:38:13.540 would

00:38:13.680 have

00:38:13.860 to

00:38:13.960 consider

00:38:14.240 that

00:38:14.440 as

00:38:14.600 well

00:38:14.760 in

00:38:15.480 a

00:38:15.660 past

00:38:15.920 presentation

00:38:16.440 of

00:38:16.640 you

00:38:17.200 played

00:38:17.460 a

00:38:17.700 creepy

00:38:18.240 example

00:38:18.740 of

00:38:19.040 reverse

00:38:19.380 speech

00:38:19.680 by

00:38:19.900 Bonnie

00:38:20.620 Blake

00:38:21.060 who

00:38:21.320 was

00:38:21.440 murdered

00:38:21.740 she

00:38:22.560 taped

00:38:22.840 her

00:38:22.980 phone

00:38:23.160 convos

00:38:23.620 Bonnie

00:38:24.000 Lee

00:38:24.240 Bakeley

00:38:25.060 oh

00:38:25.320 Bakeley

00:38:25.760 okay

00:38:26.100 yeah

00:38:26.820 and you

00:38:27.080 played

00:38:27.260 one of

00:38:27.500 these

00:38:27.640 conversations

00:38:28.160 in

00:38:28.380 reverse

00:38:28.660 and

00:38:28.840 she

00:38:28.960 said

00:38:29.180 I

00:38:29.380 know

00:38:29.660 he'll

00:38:29.960 murder

00:38:30.240 me

00:38:30.520 so

00:38:30.780 she

00:38:31.160 knew

00:38:31.420 it

00:38:31.580 was

00:38:31.720 coming

00:38:32.040 and

00:38:32.180 on

00:38:32.320 some

00:38:32.520 level

00:38:32.760 she

00:38:32.940 had

00:38:33.200 this

00:38:33.400 premonition

00:38:33.920 it was

00:38:34.160 like

00:38:34.300 a

00:38:34.520 prophetic

00:38:34.960 insight

00:38:35.700 right

00:38:36.040 yeah

00:38:37.140 and I

00:38:37.540 thought

00:38:37.700 this

00:38:37.880 was

00:38:38.020 really

00:38:38.200 interesting

00:38:38.620 because

00:38:39.100 this

00:38:39.380 was

00:38:39.740 I

00:38:40.700 continued

00:38:41.100 to

00:38:41.380 find

00:38:41.580 other

00:38:41.800 materials

00:38:42.380 from

00:38:42.900 individual

00:38:44.120 speakers

00:38:44.720 who

00:38:45.000 were

00:38:45.200 at

00:38:46.280 the

00:38:46.420 edge

00:38:46.580 of

00:38:46.700 death

00:38:47.000 talking

00:38:48.040 about

00:38:48.260 their

00:38:48.400 death

00:38:48.620 before

00:38:49.160 it

00:38:50.220 occurred

00:38:50.520 and

00:38:50.700 so

00:38:51.100 it

00:38:51.300 was

00:38:51.480 I

00:38:52.160 took

00:38:52.520 note

00:38:52.820 that

00:38:53.220 the

00:38:53.420 unconscious

00:38:53.860 envisions

00:38:54.760 what is

00:38:56.060 to come

00:38:56.380 whether

00:38:56.700 you know

00:38:57.220 favorable

00:38:57.920 or unfavorable

00:38:58.860 unconscious

00:38:59.700 in touch

00:39:00.160 with that

00:39:00.600 and

00:39:01.540 you know

00:39:02.620 just to

00:39:03.440 throw a

00:39:03.780 real twist

00:39:04.260 out there

00:39:04.680 I mean

00:39:05.020 what if

00:39:05.700 someone

00:39:06.160 some

00:39:06.500 local

00:39:06.780 practitioner

00:39:07.340 came up

00:39:07.720 to

00:39:07.860 Bonnie Lee

00:39:08.340 and said

00:39:08.700 hey

00:39:08.820 I found

00:39:09.180 this

00:39:09.380 message

00:39:09.760 about

00:39:09.960 murder

00:39:10.260 in

00:39:10.400 your

00:39:10.520 speech

00:39:10.840 Bonnie

00:39:11.160 you've

00:39:11.300 got to

00:39:11.460 sit

00:39:11.600 down

00:39:11.780 and

00:39:11.900 talk

00:39:12.120 of

00:39:12.220 what's

00:39:12.420 going

00:39:12.600 on

00:39:12.980 what if

00:39:13.580 someone

00:39:13.760 intervened

00:39:14.500 on the

00:39:14.940 basis

00:39:15.260 of that

00:39:15.620 discovery

00:39:16.080 and

00:39:16.380 help

00:39:16.740 somebody

00:39:17.160 you see

00:39:17.880 so

00:39:18.640 yeah

00:39:19.400 all these

00:39:19.860 things

00:39:20.040 are

00:39:20.160 possible

00:39:20.480 so

00:39:21.680 really

00:39:21.920 when I

00:39:22.240 hear a lot

00:39:22.680 of these

00:39:22.940 clips

00:39:23.280 too

00:39:23.540 it seems

00:39:23.900 like

00:39:24.080 deep

00:39:24.400 truths

00:39:24.840 come out

00:39:25.240 deep

00:39:25.540 unconscious

00:39:25.980 truths

00:39:26.320 so

00:39:26.600 to me

00:39:27.140 it seems

00:39:27.520 then

00:39:27.780 that

00:39:28.040 your

00:39:28.340 inner

00:39:28.620 voice

00:39:29.060 cannot

00:39:29.720 lie

00:39:30.160 it does

00:39:30.660 not

00:39:30.900 lie

00:39:31.220 it's

00:39:31.580 going

00:39:31.780 to

00:39:31.960 leak

00:39:32.200 out

00:39:32.480 right

00:39:32.860 well

00:39:34.680 the

00:39:35.280 truth

00:39:35.760 will

00:39:36.040 always

00:39:36.600 reveal

00:39:37.220 itself

00:39:37.780 eventually

00:39:38.420 is

00:39:38.960 sort

00:39:39.200 of

00:39:39.260 the

00:39:39.380 axiom

00:39:39.780 that

00:39:39.940 most

00:39:40.120 people

00:39:40.340 consider

00:39:40.720 and

00:39:40.940 this

00:39:41.300 this

00:39:41.980 is

00:39:42.120 one

00:39:42.320 venue

00:39:42.620 via

00:39:42.860 which

00:39:43.080 that

00:39:43.240 can

00:39:43.400 be

00:39:43.520 done

00:39:43.740 but

00:39:43.940 you

00:39:44.080 have

00:39:44.240 to

00:39:44.340 become

00:39:44.560 an

00:39:50.160 you

00:39:50.840 know

00:39:50.960 receive

00:39:51.320 that

00:39:51.560 information

00:39:52.180 all

00:39:53.440 right

00:39:53.580 well

00:39:53.740 let's

00:39:53.940 play

00:39:54.140 some

00:39:54.340 clips

00:39:54.600 from

00:39:54.900 some

00:39:55.200 of

00:39:55.340 your

00:39:55.540 sessions

00:39:56.020 and

00:39:56.380 you

00:39:56.500 can

00:39:56.640 tell

00:39:56.840 us

00:39:56.980 about

00:39:57.200 it

00:39:57.440 yeah

00:39:58.200 so

00:39:58.900 back

00:40:00.260 in the

00:40:00.480 day

00:40:00.620 when I

00:40:00.900 was

00:40:01.040 working

00:40:01.320 face

00:40:01.640 to

00:40:01.760 face

00:40:01.960 with

00:40:02.100 my

00:40:02.260 clients

00:40:02.620 this

00:40:03.720 individual

00:40:04.080 came

00:40:04.360 to me

00:40:04.840 with

00:40:05.640 a

00:40:05.960 story

00:40:06.520 about

00:40:06.840 her

00:40:07.020 younger

00:40:07.220 brother

00:40:07.540 a

00:40:07.740 time

00:40:07.980 in

00:40:08.100 her

00:40:08.480 early

00:40:08.740 life

00:40:09.060 when

00:40:09.480 they

00:40:09.660 were

00:40:09.800 both

00:40:10.140 under

00:40:10.780 five

00:40:11.060 years

00:40:11.260 old

00:40:11.500 or

00:40:11.640 so

00:40:11.880 crossing

00:40:12.760 the

00:40:12.960 street

00:40:13.140 holding

00:40:13.380 hands

00:40:13.760 and

00:40:14.980 her

00:40:20.160 lost

00:40:20.700 his

00:40:20.880 life

00:40:21.140 and

00:40:22.920 so

00:40:23.240 she's

00:40:23.760 describing

00:40:24.120 that

00:40:24.360 story

00:40:24.620 and

00:40:24.740 I

00:40:24.840 asked

00:40:25.100 her

00:40:25.300 how

00:40:25.680 did

00:40:25.840 you

00:40:25.960 feel

00:40:26.180 as a

00:40:26.500 consequence

00:40:26.780 of

00:40:27.100 being

00:40:27.660 in

00:40:27.800 that

00:40:27.940 situation

00:40:28.440 and

00:40:29.540 she

00:40:30.020 uttered

00:40:30.840 this

00:40:31.000 unconscious

00:40:31.340 phrase

00:40:31.680 that I

00:40:31.960 heard

00:40:32.120 which said

00:40:32.440 better

00:40:32.700 hang

00:40:32.960 on

00:40:33.100 to

00:40:33.220 him

00:40:33.440 I

00:40:35.460 thought

00:40:35.780 that

00:40:35.900 was

00:40:36.040 interesting

00:40:36.340 in light

00:40:36.680 of

00:40:36.860 not

00:40:37.300 only

00:40:37.500 the

00:40:37.820 physical

00:40:39.140 grip

00:40:39.480 the

00:40:39.800 hand

00:40:40.060 hold

00:40:40.300 between

00:40:40.720 the

00:40:41.040 two

00:40:41.200 children

00:40:41.480 but

00:40:42.680 also

00:40:43.020 in

00:40:43.720 terms

00:40:43.880 of

00:40:44.000 concepts

00:40:44.360 of

00:40:44.520 attachment

00:40:44.920 because

00:40:46.040 it

00:40:46.180 was

00:40:46.280 the

00:40:46.400 memory

00:40:46.680 of

00:40:47.140 the

00:40:50.160 being

00:40:50.640 party

00:40:51.140 to

00:40:51.320 what

00:40:51.460 had

00:40:51.580 happened

00:40:51.840 not

00:40:52.080 by

00:40:52.240 not

00:40:52.460 being

00:40:52.620 able

00:40:52.760 to

00:40:52.880 prevent

00:40:53.140 him

00:40:53.320 from

00:40:53.480 dying

00:40:53.980 it

00:40:55.800 was

00:40:56.280 the

00:40:56.420 attachment

00:40:56.760 itself

00:40:57.200 to

00:40:57.360 the

00:40:57.480 issue

00:40:57.700 that

00:40:57.880 ultimately

00:40:58.260 was

00:40:58.700 what

00:40:59.720 needed

00:41:00.060 to

00:41:00.240 heal

00:41:00.420 okay

00:41:01.720 here's

00:41:02.000 the

00:41:02.100 clip

00:41:02.300 how

00:41:02.800 did

00:41:02.940 that

00:41:03.080 impact

00:41:03.420 on

00:41:03.640 your

00:41:04.000 image

00:41:04.760 of

00:41:04.880 yourself

00:41:05.120 as

00:41:05.320 someone

00:41:05.540 who

00:41:05.740 was

00:41:06.080 responsible

00:41:07.020 who

00:41:07.220 could

00:41:07.340 take

00:41:07.540 care

00:41:07.740 of

00:41:07.860 other

00:41:08.000 people

00:41:08.420 you

00:41:13.120 could

00:41:13.220 be

00:41:13.360 trusted

00:41:13.760 with

00:41:13.980 responsibility

00:41:14.680 what

00:41:15.100 happened

00:41:15.400 well

00:41:16.460 I

00:41:19.480 vote

00:41:19.860 I

00:41:20.220 don't

00:41:20.500 know

00:41:20.620 how

00:41:20.700 to

00:41:20.820 verbalize

00:41:21.480 it

00:41:21.720 there

00:41:24.140 we

00:41:29.200 go

00:41:29.440 there's

00:41:29.940 better

00:41:30.180 hang

00:41:30.360 on

00:41:30.520 to

00:41:30.620 him

00:41:30.840 yeah

00:41:31.980 and

00:41:32.320 then

00:41:32.560 how

00:41:32.820 we

00:41:32.960 life

00:41:33.200 is

00:41:33.360 only

00:41:33.560 a

00:41:33.700 lesson

00:41:34.040 was

00:41:35.080 a

00:41:35.180 very

00:41:35.360 interesting

00:41:36.540 little

00:41:38.320 phrase

00:41:39.180 axiom

00:41:40.700 that

00:41:41.640 occurred

00:41:41.940 in

00:41:42.100 someone's

00:41:42.420 speech

00:41:42.600 was

00:41:42.740 a

00:41:42.860 small

00:41:43.020 business

00:41:43.320 person

00:41:43.700 and

00:41:43.920 they

00:41:44.020 were

00:41:44.120 talking

00:41:44.340 about

00:41:44.500 business

00:41:44.820 success

00:41:45.440 and

00:41:45.640 failure

00:41:45.960 ups

00:41:46.580 and

00:41:46.740 downs

00:41:47.060 and

00:41:48.020 here

00:41:48.700 the

00:41:49.120 unconscious

00:41:49.480 appears

00:41:49.800 to be

00:41:50.020 imploring

00:41:50.480 them

00:41:50.720 forwards

00:41:51.180 and

00:41:52.020 again

00:41:52.340 this

00:41:52.580 idea

00:41:52.800 to

00:41:53.000 not

00:41:53.200 be

00:41:53.360 overly

00:41:53.600 attached

00:41:54.020 to

00:41:54.380 ups

00:41:55.160 and

00:41:55.300 downs

00:41:55.580 but

00:41:55.840 to

00:41:56.180 move

00:41:56.660 to

00:41:57.540 continuous

00:41:58.200 progress

00:41:58.760 seems

00:41:59.040 to be

00:41:59.300 this

00:41:59.520 be invoked

00:42:00.740 through

00:42:00.940 this

00:42:01.120 message

00:42:01.440 that says

00:42:02.060 hurry

00:42:02.340 life is

00:42:02.780 only a

00:42:03.120 lesson

00:42:03.380 and

00:42:04.140 admitting

00:42:04.500 that

00:42:05.400 something

00:42:07.140 was a

00:42:07.540 failure

00:42:07.920 and that

00:42:09.660 you

00:42:09.960 lost

00:42:10.800 either

00:42:11.620 money

00:42:11.960 or time

00:42:12.620 or effort

00:42:13.560 and

00:42:14.060 energy

00:42:14.680 hurry

00:42:15.880 life

00:42:16.320 wow

00:42:24.440 that

00:42:24.640 one

00:42:24.820 was

00:42:25.120 really

00:42:25.780 present

00:42:26.280 right

00:42:26.660 there

00:42:26.980 obvious

00:42:27.500 yeah

00:42:28.700 isn't it

00:42:29.700 that way

00:42:30.340 that they

00:42:30.880 simply

00:42:31.500 they

00:42:32.080 announce

00:42:33.000 themselves

00:42:33.400 to us

00:42:34.200 but we

00:42:34.680 have to

00:42:34.960 be there

00:42:35.400 to receive

00:42:36.100 them

00:42:36.400 when they

00:42:36.900 occur

00:42:37.220 and that

00:42:37.600 requires

00:42:38.000 that patient

00:42:38.560 monitoring

00:42:39.100 you know

00:42:39.360 that

00:42:39.620 patient

00:42:40.280 spending

00:42:41.180 time

00:42:41.680 reviewing

00:42:42.440 that

00:42:42.720 material

00:42:43.160 for that

00:42:44.060 to happen

00:42:44.440 you know

00:42:45.220 the forest

00:42:45.700 the tree

00:42:46.160 can fall

00:42:46.620 but you

00:42:47.380 need someone

00:42:47.780 in the

00:42:48.020 forest

00:42:48.300 to hear

00:42:48.640 it

00:42:48.820 that's

00:42:49.120 right

00:42:49.360 so now

00:42:50.860 we have

00:42:51.140 one more

00:42:51.460 here

00:42:51.620 we have

00:42:52.060 you only

00:42:52.720 fear the

00:42:53.320 memory

00:42:53.560 tell us

00:42:53.920 about that

00:42:54.240 one

00:42:54.480 yeah

00:42:55.560 and actually

00:42:56.500 this is

00:42:56.940 you know

00:42:57.460 what

00:42:57.640 I heard

00:42:58.760 a little

00:42:59.040 bit of

00:42:59.260 and I'm

00:42:59.500 remembering

00:42:59.800 this is

00:43:00.180 a live

00:43:00.460 session

00:43:00.800 and I

00:43:01.780 think

00:43:02.080 the only

00:43:02.360 significant

00:43:02.880 thing

00:43:03.160 I can

00:43:03.340 say

00:43:03.480 about

00:43:03.660 this

00:43:03.840 is

00:43:03.980 simply

00:43:04.200 that

00:43:04.440 it

00:43:04.640 uses

00:43:05.440 the

00:43:05.640 language

00:43:05.900 of

00:43:06.100 emotion

00:43:06.460 and that

00:43:07.140 it

00:43:07.260 reveals

00:43:07.620 concepts

00:43:08.380 related

00:43:08.700 to

00:43:08.880 fear

00:43:09.140 and it

00:43:14.060 fear

00:43:14.660 and memory

00:43:15.060 so the

00:43:15.520 usefulness

00:43:16.020 in other

00:43:16.320 words

00:43:16.560 of this

00:43:18.060 technique

00:43:18.520 in

00:43:18.940 explorations

00:43:19.480 for

00:43:19.660 access

00:43:20.140 to

00:43:20.720 memory

00:43:22.140 and

00:43:23.060 dealing

00:43:23.400 with

00:43:23.640 emotional

00:43:24.240 issues

00:43:24.820 is

00:43:25.640 clearly

00:43:26.000 exemplified

00:43:26.700 by

00:43:27.020 this

00:43:27.600 example

00:43:28.540 of

00:43:28.980 this

00:43:29.120 phenomenon

00:43:29.480 you

00:43:29.920 know

00:43:30.060 that

00:43:30.140 you

00:43:30.240 know

00:43:30.600 that

00:43:31.720 you

00:43:32.380 know

00:43:32.820 that

00:43:33.340 you

00:43:33.820 know

00:43:34.060 that

00:43:34.340 you

00:43:34.940 know

00:43:35.820 that

00:43:36.580 yeah

00:43:37.260 that one

00:43:37.780 was

00:43:37.960 obvious

00:43:38.300 too

00:43:38.620 so

00:43:40.560 this

00:43:41.100 this

00:43:41.480 is

00:43:41.720 characteristic

00:43:42.440 of the

00:43:43.100 type

00:43:43.300 of

00:43:43.420 material

00:43:43.780 that

00:43:43.960 can

00:43:44.100 emerge

00:43:44.360 from

00:43:44.520 a

00:43:44.640 session

00:43:44.860 but

00:43:45.080 it

00:43:45.200 is

00:43:45.300 important

00:43:45.620 to

00:43:45.860 note

00:43:46.140 that

00:43:47.020 it

00:43:47.120 is

00:43:47.220 not

00:43:47.400 simply

00:43:48.020 abstract

00:43:50.160 you know

00:43:51.060 dry

00:43:51.380 phenomena

00:43:51.920 with

00:43:52.380 mathematical

00:43:52.980 curves

00:43:53.540 attached

00:43:53.940 to

00:43:54.140 them

00:43:54.280 these

00:43:55.260 sounds

00:43:56.140 are

00:43:56.680 explicit

00:43:57.280 in

00:43:57.820 their

00:43:58.040 potential

00:43:58.580 to

00:43:58.820 elicit

00:43:59.100 a

00:43:59.260 cathartic

00:43:59.660 response

00:44:00.080 within

00:44:00.340 the

00:44:00.500 listener

00:44:00.800 it's

00:44:01.680 a

00:44:01.760 very

00:44:01.840 important

00:44:02.200 idea

00:44:02.640 in

00:44:03.080 terms

00:44:03.300 of

00:44:03.420 emotional

00:44:03.780 wellness

00:44:04.240 that

00:44:04.900 people

00:44:05.220 are

00:44:06.160 releasing

00:44:07.160 the

00:44:08.140 pain

00:44:08.880 that

00:44:09.200 they're

00:44:09.380 holding

00:44:09.580 on to

00:44:09.940 emotionally

00:44:10.460 in

00:44:10.660 their

00:44:10.760 emotional

00:44:11.100 bodies

00:44:11.640 in

00:44:13.400 series

00:44:14.440 with

00:44:14.900 hearing

00:44:15.860 these

00:44:16.100 messages

00:44:16.480 and

00:44:16.880 spending

00:44:17.180 time

00:44:17.580 focusing

00:44:18.380 on

00:44:18.660 them

00:44:18.880 these

00:44:19.360 are

00:44:19.460 very

00:44:19.640 useful

00:44:19.960 tools

00:44:20.340 so they

00:44:21.120 are

00:44:21.280 to me

00:44:22.220 so much

00:44:23.080 like those

00:44:23.540 yogic

00:44:23.880 mantras

00:44:24.400 that

00:44:24.720 liberate

00:44:25.320 our

00:44:25.520 consciousness

00:44:26.080 because

00:44:26.640 it

00:44:26.880 seems

00:44:27.200 that

00:44:27.340 when

00:44:27.440 people

00:44:27.660 get

00:44:28.420 some

00:44:28.600 relief

00:44:28.920 from

00:44:29.140 their

00:44:29.280 emotional

00:44:29.620 pain

00:44:29.960 they

00:44:30.760 begin

00:44:30.960 to

00:44:31.100 think

00:44:31.320 more

00:44:31.540 clearly

00:44:31.840 and

00:44:32.760 they

00:44:32.900 maybe

00:44:33.220 begin

00:44:33.540 to

00:44:33.660 make

00:44:33.800 better

00:44:34.020 decisions

00:44:34.500 and

00:44:35.340 their

00:44:35.500 behaviors

00:44:35.900 also

00:44:36.240 become

00:44:36.560 more

00:44:36.780 in

00:44:36.900 alignment

00:44:37.380 even

00:44:38.120 spontaneously

00:44:38.840 with

00:44:39.540 their

00:44:39.700 innermost

00:44:40.180 nature

00:44:40.500 I've

00:44:40.740 had

00:44:40.860 people

00:44:41.060 tell me

00:44:41.380 stories

00:44:41.720 where

00:44:41.920 they

00:44:42.060 came

00:44:42.260 out

00:44:42.480 of

00:44:42.580 sessions

00:44:42.940 and

00:44:43.700 the

00:44:43.800 next

00:44:43.940 day

00:44:44.080 they

00:44:44.220 were

00:44:44.320 in

00:44:44.720 their

00:44:45.440 place

00:44:45.680 of

00:44:45.840 business

00:44:46.140 with

00:44:47.140 a

00:44:47.240 difficult

00:44:47.540 co-worker

00:44:48.100 they

00:44:49.000 had

00:44:49.140 some

00:44:49.420 kind

00:44:49.620 of

00:44:56.080 but

00:44:56.360 the

00:44:56.760 way

00:44:57.000 that

00:44:57.180 the

00:44:57.340 participant

00:44:58.000 responded

00:44:58.640 was

00:44:58.880 completely

00:44:59.220 different

00:44:59.620 as if

00:45:00.040 they

00:45:00.180 had

00:45:00.340 changed

00:45:00.740 their

00:45:01.540 personality

00:45:02.060 or their

00:45:02.500 synaptic

00:45:03.040 connections

00:45:03.520 had changed

00:45:04.040 as a

00:45:04.300 consequence

00:45:04.700 of the

00:45:05.620 creative

00:45:05.880 work

00:45:06.100 they did

00:45:06.440 under the

00:45:06.820 influence

00:45:07.120 of these

00:45:07.420 sounds

00:45:07.660 so

00:45:07.940 I have

00:45:08.700 to

00:45:08.820 emphasize

00:45:09.120 that

00:45:09.460 it

00:45:09.620 is

00:45:09.840 so

00:45:10.140 important

00:45:10.520 that

00:45:10.780 not

00:45:11.000 only

00:45:11.240 is

00:45:11.780 the

00:45:11.860 information

00:45:12.160 very

00:45:12.440 intimate

00:45:12.840 and

00:45:13.280 detailed

00:45:13.640 and

00:45:14.700 not

00:45:14.920 only

00:45:15.220 are

00:45:15.480 the

00:45:15.560 baseline

00:45:15.900 showing

00:45:16.280 us

00:45:16.480 that

00:45:16.740 the

00:45:17.200 grade

00:45:17.600 of

00:45:17.800 information

00:45:18.340 is

00:45:18.600 forensic

00:45:19.280 and

00:45:19.640 military

00:45:20.140 grade

00:45:20.680 it

00:45:22.080 really

00:45:22.720 does

00:45:23.260 empower

00:45:23.680 this

00:45:23.980 cathartic

00:45:24.400 process

00:45:24.840 and

00:45:25.000 catharsis

00:45:25.480 again

00:45:25.720 means

00:45:26.040 the

00:45:26.280 release

00:45:26.640 of

00:45:26.820 massive

00:45:27.840 amounts

00:45:29.040 of

00:45:29.160 emotional

00:45:29.520 energy

00:45:29.860 in a

00:45:30.100 very

00:45:30.240 short

00:45:30.500 time

00:45:30.820 which

00:45:31.060 is

00:45:31.340 an

00:45:32.240 indicator

00:45:32.700 of

00:45:32.980 getting

00:45:33.600 well

00:45:33.980 well

00:45:35.020 done

00:45:35.380 John

00:45:35.620 I'll

00:45:35.800 have

00:45:36.000 to

00:45:36.380 play

00:45:37.640 this

00:45:37.820 interview

00:45:38.080 backwards

00:45:38.440 later

00:45:38.700 and see

00:45:38.960 what I

00:45:39.160 can

00:45:39.280 find

00:45:39.560 well

00:45:41.440 I get

00:45:41.900 it

00:45:42.060 the

00:45:42.300 intimate

00:45:42.760 the

00:45:43.060 level

00:45:43.320 of

00:45:43.500 intimacy

00:45:43.900 can

00:45:44.920 be

00:45:45.120 shocking

00:45:45.500 and

00:45:46.280 when

00:45:46.880 CBS

00:45:47.240 television

00:45:47.820 interviewed

00:45:48.760 me

00:45:49.200 they

00:45:49.720 put

00:45:50.040 me

00:45:50.220 in

00:45:50.360 a

00:45:50.560 studio

00:45:50.900 with

00:45:51.380 camera

00:45:51.780 crew

00:45:52.140 and

00:45:52.360 a

00:45:53.260 reporter

00:45:55.160 the

00:45:55.360 camera

00:45:55.720 and

00:45:57.020 the

00:45:57.220 producer

00:45:57.540 were

00:45:57.740 in

00:45:57.840 the

00:45:57.940 room

00:45:58.080 with

00:45:58.260 me

00:45:58.460 and

00:45:58.720 they

00:45:58.980 taped

00:45:59.540 me

00:45:59.880 studying

00:46:01.160 the

00:46:01.440 speech

00:46:01.920 of

00:46:02.060 the

00:46:02.160 reporter

00:46:02.500 and

00:46:03.640 the

00:46:03.960 personal

00:46:04.800 level

00:46:05.040 of

00:46:05.200 detail

00:46:05.580 that

00:46:06.120 emerged

00:46:06.540 from

00:46:07.200 that

00:46:07.520 session

00:46:08.000 was

00:46:08.400 so

00:46:08.620 shocking

00:46:09.020 when

00:46:11.080 they

00:46:11.220 presented

00:46:11.600 that

00:46:12.980 interview

00:46:13.300 on the

00:46:13.660 air

00:46:13.900 it

00:46:14.200 was

00:46:14.340 with

00:46:14.500 a

00:46:14.640 straight

00:46:14.820 face

00:46:15.200 and

00:46:15.880 that

00:46:16.020 was

00:46:16.220 11

00:46:16.780 o'clock

00:46:17.120 news

00:46:17.440 on

00:46:17.800 domestic

00:46:18.820 terrestrial

00:46:19.560 123

00:46:20.520 channels

00:46:21.640 television

00:46:22.240 in the

00:46:22.520 United

00:46:22.680 States

00:46:23.060 because

00:46:24.300 it's

00:46:25.280 simply

00:46:25.480 profound

00:46:25.880 what's

00:46:26.180 within

00:46:26.420 us

00:46:26.660 ultimately

00:46:27.380 what these

00:46:27.940 findings

00:46:28.580 say is

00:46:29.080 that what's

00:46:29.480 within us

00:46:30.100 is profound

00:46:30.580 and that there

00:46:32.640 are deep

00:46:34.260 answers

00:46:35.020 within us

00:46:36.740 and that

00:46:37.600 we

00:46:38.540 for the

00:46:39.460 sake of

00:46:39.740 efficiency

00:46:40.160 we should

00:46:41.420 turn within

00:46:41.980 and spend

00:46:43.880 some time

00:46:44.360 exploring these

00:46:45.280 questions

00:46:45.580 and that

00:46:45.920 could be

00:46:46.140 something we

00:46:46.480 could explore

00:46:46.900 on our

00:46:47.180 own time

00:46:47.580 with our

00:46:48.260 friends

00:46:48.600 or

00:46:49.160 with

00:46:50.020 a

00:46:50.900 professional

00:46:51.380 who

00:46:52.760 offers

00:46:53.300 these

00:46:53.880 types

00:46:54.080 of

00:46:54.200 services

00:46:54.520 this

00:46:55.260 is

00:46:55.380 a

00:46:55.940 worthy

00:46:56.240 pursuit

00:46:56.680 and

00:46:57.460 it's

00:46:57.880 been

00:46:58.000 a

00:46:58.120 great

00:46:58.240 benefit

00:46:58.560 I've

00:46:59.060 learned

00:46:59.240 a lot

00:46:59.540 my

00:46:59.920 clients

00:47:00.180 have

00:47:00.320 discovered

00:47:00.580 a lot

00:47:00.960 and

00:47:01.460 I

00:47:02.060 think

00:47:02.340 you know

00:47:03.360 we're

00:47:04.720 part

00:47:04.980 of a

00:47:05.720 changing

00:47:05.980 world

00:47:06.320 where people

00:47:06.940 are looking

00:47:07.220 for new

00:47:07.560 solutions

00:47:07.980 this is

00:47:08.600 innovative

00:47:09.020 it's

00:47:09.820 simple

00:47:10.140 it's

00:47:10.660 accessible

00:47:11.060 and it

00:47:11.500 relies

00:47:11.820 on

00:47:12.000 something

00:47:12.220 that's

00:47:12.500 widely

00:47:12.760 available

00:47:13.160 which is

00:47:13.580 human

00:47:13.800 speech

00:47:14.180 and

00:47:14.700 you

00:47:14.820 don't

00:47:14.960 need

00:47:15.120 hypnosis

00:47:15.520 or

00:47:15.860 drugs

00:47:16.300 and

00:47:17.040 it

00:47:17.160 doesn't

00:47:17.380 cost

00:47:17.620 much

00:47:17.840 money

00:47:18.140 yeah

00:47:19.380 accessibility

00:47:20.160 simplicity

00:47:20.960 and

00:47:21.860 you know

00:47:22.600 the procedure

00:47:23.000 is designed

00:47:23.620 in my

00:47:25.220 my application

00:47:26.100 the procedure

00:47:26.680 is designed

00:47:27.220 to work

00:47:28.080 with the

00:47:28.740 client's

00:47:29.160 feedback

00:47:29.420 it's

00:47:29.660 the patient

00:47:30.020 feedback

00:47:30.400 that's

00:47:30.920 the barometer

00:47:31.380 by which

00:47:31.760 we measure

00:47:32.060 progress

00:47:32.640 and success

00:47:33.260 so

00:47:34.640 I

00:47:35.440 you know

00:47:35.740 I give

00:47:36.000 as much

00:47:36.380 trust and

00:47:36.880 responsibility

00:47:37.380 to the

00:47:37.640 patient

00:47:37.960 in terms

00:47:38.660 of

00:47:39.020 excuse me

00:47:39.740 the

00:47:39.880 participant

00:47:40.360 rather

00:47:40.900 in terms

00:47:42.260 of

00:47:42.500 outcomes

00:47:43.060 you know

00:47:44.160 I'm

00:47:45.340 enthusiastic

00:47:46.060 for this

00:47:46.560 process

00:47:46.880 but I

00:47:47.300 think

00:47:47.480 that

00:47:47.780 people

00:47:48.460 who are

00:47:48.620 serious

00:47:48.800 about

00:47:49.000 counseling

00:47:49.300 and therapeutic

00:47:49.680 work

00:47:50.460 who are

00:47:50.900 studying

00:47:51.120 consciousness

00:47:51.560 and communications

00:47:52.220 are more

00:47:53.540 than curious

00:47:53.880 to participate

00:47:54.640 in this

00:47:55.980 area

00:47:56.160 so

00:47:56.440 there are

00:47:56.940 a lot

00:47:57.120 of

00:47:57.220 information

00:47:57.500 resources

00:47:57.920 you know

00:47:58.860 it's been

00:47:59.480 promulgated

00:48:00.720 widely

00:48:01.180 but in terms

00:48:02.480 of serious

00:48:02.860 practitioners

00:48:03.320 who've

00:48:03.560 picked it

00:48:03.820 up

00:48:04.300 I'm one

00:48:05.660 of the

00:48:05.840 few

00:48:06.000 have

00:48:06.900 you been

00:48:07.140 practicing

00:48:07.540 this

00:48:07.800 on

00:48:07.920 yourself

00:48:08.240 for a

00:48:09.120 while

00:48:09.300 well

00:48:10.840 the actual

00:48:11.680 outcome

00:48:12.160 is that

00:48:13.160 because I'm

00:48:13.840 on all

00:48:14.140 of the

00:48:14.360 session

00:48:14.600 recordings

00:48:14.960 with the

00:48:15.240 clients

00:48:15.600 I hear

00:48:18.240 myself

00:48:18.540 interacting

00:48:18.960 with them

00:48:19.380 while they're

00:48:19.820 working through

00:48:20.260 their most

00:48:20.580 difficult

00:48:20.900 issues

00:48:21.280 so I get

00:48:22.080 to see

00:48:22.820 myself

00:48:23.300 and what's

00:48:24.320 coming up

00:48:24.720 from within

00:48:25.140 me

00:48:25.500 while I'm

00:48:26.820 being exposed

00:48:27.260 to that

00:48:27.680 kind of

00:48:27.960 stimulus

00:48:28.240 and yeah

00:48:29.240 that's very

00:48:29.660 powerful

00:48:29.960 I was saying

00:48:30.960 earlier

00:48:31.140 that there's

00:48:32.180 a lot of

00:48:32.480 learning

00:48:32.740 that happens

00:48:33.440 for the

00:48:33.660 practitioner

00:48:34.040 but I think

00:48:34.500 the ultimate

00:48:34.860 lesson is

00:48:35.400 that when

00:48:35.700 people

00:48:36.000 break through

00:48:36.920 the intractable

00:48:37.560 issues

00:48:37.880 that they say

00:48:38.440 have been

00:48:38.740 holding them

00:48:39.080 back for years

00:48:39.640 that asks

00:48:42.020 us to question

00:48:42.960 our fundamental

00:48:43.820 assumptions about

00:48:44.720 what our

00:48:45.080 limitations may or

00:48:46.060 may not be

00:48:46.440 as individuals

00:48:47.380 and so I've

00:48:48.320 been challenged

00:48:49.280 to say

00:48:49.640 well gosh

00:48:50.060 dozens and

00:48:51.100 dozens of

00:48:51.480 people seem

00:48:51.860 to solve

00:48:52.200 this problem

00:48:52.660 with their

00:48:52.900 grandmother

00:48:53.280 how come

00:48:53.980 I can't

00:48:54.380 fix it

00:48:54.820 I better

00:48:55.680 get out

00:48:55.980 maybe I

00:48:56.940 could be

00:48:57.200 one of

00:48:57.420 those people

00:48:57.820 too

00:48:58.080 so there's

00:48:59.660 a lot of

00:48:59.880 inspiration

00:49:00.240 and learning

00:49:00.620 that happens

00:49:01.100 in those

00:49:01.400 encounters

00:49:01.780 people take

00:49:02.640 things away

00:49:04.700 but I think

00:49:05.140 that you

00:49:06.200 know we

00:49:06.640 have to be

00:49:07.060 careful at

00:49:07.400 the same

00:49:07.640 time as

00:49:08.300 in terms

00:49:08.660 of practitioners

00:49:09.200 in terms

00:49:09.580 of avoiding

00:49:10.000 terms

00:49:10.540 avoiding

00:49:12.180 dictating

00:49:12.700 the terms

00:49:13.160 of success

00:49:13.660 or progress

00:49:14.260 my reliance

00:49:15.980 again other

00:49:17.520 than these

00:49:18.600 observations

00:49:19.100 of speech

00:49:20.240 I mean I'm

00:49:20.700 simply interpreting

00:49:21.300 what I heard

00:49:21.720 them say

00:49:22.200 but it's their

00:49:23.520 feedback during

00:49:24.160 the session

00:49:24.660 that that

00:49:25.920 that is

00:49:27.000 that's what's

00:49:27.780 transformative

00:49:28.340 it's client

00:49:29.480 led

00:49:29.820 you know

00:49:30.540 again I'm

00:49:31.100 not I'm

00:49:31.580 not then

00:49:32.400 subjecting people

00:49:33.140 to hypnosis

00:49:33.660 and dictating

00:49:34.340 to them

00:49:34.620 terms

00:49:35.060 of what

00:49:35.660 wellness

00:49:35.960 looks like

00:49:36.480 that's not

00:49:37.040 what I'm

00:49:37.260 doing here

00:49:37.600 at all

00:49:37.900 nor am I

00:49:39.100 drawing from

00:49:39.640 any kind

00:49:39.980 of a dream

00:49:40.520 dictionary

00:49:41.080 that gives

00:49:41.840 static

00:49:42.260 definition

00:49:42.860 to a

00:49:44.640 vocabulary

00:49:45.260 of language

00:49:46.220 that may

00:49:46.540 occur in

00:49:46.980 people's

00:49:47.240 backward

00:49:47.480 speech

00:49:47.780 or giving

00:49:48.560 novel

00:49:49.240 interpretation

00:49:49.900 to existing

00:49:50.900 vocabulary

00:49:51.820 that's already

00:49:52.360 standard to

00:49:53.220 the English

00:49:53.560 language

00:49:53.920 I'm not

00:49:54.200 trying to

00:49:54.480 tell people

00:49:55.140 that red

00:49:56.000 means blue

00:49:56.680 for example

00:49:57.420 so these

00:49:59.480 are very

00:49:59.740 important

00:50:00.180 points

00:50:01.180 and they

00:50:01.900 characterize

00:50:02.580 my practice

00:50:03.120 and really

00:50:03.500 they differentiate

00:50:04.260 it from

00:50:05.000 what is

00:50:05.720 taught as

00:50:06.440 reverse speech

00:50:07.160 before

00:50:07.460 I did

00:50:08.240 study that

00:50:08.920 under its

00:50:09.420 founder

00:50:09.760 I'm an

00:50:12.660 insider

00:50:13.120 in that

00:50:14.000 organization

00:50:15.100 from its

00:50:15.920 incarnation

00:50:16.900 from the

00:50:17.360 1990s

00:50:17.960 so I know

00:50:18.220 exactly

00:50:18.640 what the

00:50:19.280 practice looks

00:50:19.760 like

00:50:20.040 and my

00:50:21.100 practice is

00:50:21.680 substantially

00:50:22.120 different

00:50:22.460 I've worked

00:50:23.400 with people

00:50:23.860 who had

00:50:24.700 worked in

00:50:26.140 David Oates

00:50:26.500 procedure

00:50:26.860 and they

00:50:27.620 have worked

00:50:27.900 with me

00:50:28.220 and my

00:50:29.760 practice

00:50:30.600 and my

00:50:31.200 implementation

00:50:32.240 of the

00:50:32.780 protocol

00:50:33.120 is substantially

00:50:34.060 different

00:50:34.380 and the

00:50:34.600 outcomes

00:50:34.840 are different

00:50:35.120 too

00:50:35.320 I produced

00:50:36.360 catharsis

00:50:36.860 in one

00:50:37.140 session

00:50:37.460 you know

00:50:38.220 the reverse

00:50:39.160 speech

00:50:39.640 methodology

00:50:41.460 required

00:50:42.680 something like

00:50:43.200 10 sessions

00:50:44.040 and an

00:50:45.620 upfront

00:50:45.920 commitment

00:50:46.600 of $5,000

00:50:47.740 to even

00:50:50.020 get started

00:50:50.680 so that's

00:50:51.640 not what

00:50:51.860 I'm

00:50:52.000 practicing

00:50:52.380 last question

00:50:53.560 for you

00:50:53.940 are all

00:50:54.580 the fines

00:50:55.000 accurate

00:50:55.680 if you

00:50:56.380 speak for

00:50:56.700 two hours

00:50:57.180 with someone

00:50:57.540 are you

00:50:57.800 bound to

00:50:58.820 find something

00:50:59.560 well it's

00:51:01.100 even simpler

00:51:01.740 than that

00:51:02.060 because my

00:51:02.480 live demonstrations

00:51:03.240 show that

00:51:03.900 with a one

00:51:04.340 minute sample

00:51:04.920 I can rotate

00:51:06.200 material in

00:51:07.920 five minutes

00:51:08.540 and get it

00:51:09.240 verified on

00:51:09.820 the spot

00:51:10.120 by the speaker

00:51:10.760 and I produce

00:51:11.660 that on

00:51:12.020 television

00:51:12.440 and radio

00:51:12.900 so it would

00:51:13.700 be impossible

00:51:14.140 to produce

00:51:14.540 those kinds

00:51:15.060 of demonstrations

00:51:15.620 without working

00:51:16.240 with something

00:51:16.820 that was

00:51:17.020 fundamentally

00:51:17.540 reliable

00:51:19.000 how can

00:51:20.640 people reach

00:51:21.160 you for

00:51:21.940 a session

00:51:22.360 my website

00:51:23.900 has more

00:51:24.820 information

00:51:25.260 and contact

00:51:26.400 forms

00:51:26.780 it's

00:51:27.020 yourinnervoice.com

00:51:28.440 and my

00:51:28.900 toll free

00:51:29.220 number

00:51:29.500 which you

00:51:30.140 can call

00:51:30.520 north america

00:51:31.280 wide

00:51:31.580 is

00:51:32.320 1-888-453-0751

00:51:36.480 thank you

00:51:37.820 john

00:51:38.040 very interesting

00:51:38.740 work

00:51:39.080 I'll have to

00:51:39.560 give it a try

00:51:40.120 and so should

00:51:40.780 you the listener

00:51:41.380 I am going to

00:51:42.580 give this a whirl

00:51:43.100 in fact I will

00:51:43.900 reverse this

00:51:44.640 interview and see

00:51:45.560 what comes of it

00:51:46.280 and let all of you

00:51:46.980 know provided it

00:51:47.980 isn't too

00:51:48.640 embarrassing

00:51:49.160 I'll leave with

00:51:50.340 a song I've

00:51:50.800 recently discovered

00:51:51.540 by I tell

00:51:52.220 tech called

00:51:52.740 deep pools

00:51:53.580 we'll talk in

00:51:54.520 the new year

00:51:54.900 2014

00:51:55.540 a year I've

00:51:56.420 had many

00:51:56.760 dreams about

00:51:57.400 but you know

00:51:57.900 how that goes

00:51:58.460 see you later

00:51:59.520 bye

00:52:01.380 you

00:52:03.040 We'll be right back.

00:52:33.040 We'll be right back.

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Radio 3Fourteen - December 20, 2013

Reverse Speech_ Secret Backwards Messages in the Human Voice

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