Tuilev Pavel Vladimirovich is a scholar, writer, and professor of the International Slavic Institute in Moscow with a Ph.D in history. He is on the forefront of the European New Right and Aryan Slavic movement in Russia, and is the publisher of the magazine Atene. Tuilev is the author of many publications in different genres from Russia, Europe, and America. Some of his articles and interviews are collected in the book The White World in My Heart. We'll discuss the idea written about by German philosopher Walter Schubart, who wrote in Europe and the Soul of the East, that the West has fallen prisoner of materialism and lives in a time of crisis. And that the new awakening has to come from the east, from Russia.
00:03:14.420The West cannot live without East, obviously.
00:03:18.200Historically, the European culture took many discoveries and sacred knowledge from Asia, pre-Roman civilizations first, and then from India and Byzantine.
00:03:32.200Christianity itself has Eastern roots, you know.
00:03:36.640And today, Russia, that is situated in the heartland of the Old World, in the center of Eurasia, is the bridge between East and West.
00:03:54.940That's why the Russian soul, expressed in art and music and philosophy in our traditional life, is very attractive for European intellectuals.
00:04:05.460Well, there's definitely a need to unify Russia with the rest of Europe.
00:04:10.380And I know you support efforts to build the new continental axis, which is Paris, Berlin, Moscow, or a pan-Aryan bloc from Spain to India.
00:04:19.980You've also talked about a post-NATO alternative, a new military and political bloc.
00:04:24.920So tell us about your thoughts on this.
00:04:26.640I should say, to reunify, because the Tsarist Russia used to be a European power.
00:04:36.000Old Russians have Nordic, Slavonic, and Aryan origin.
00:04:40.640In the 19th century, our imperers were the leaders of the European diplomacy.
00:04:48.540The Bolshevik Revolution and so-called Perestroika have broken this geopolitical situation.
00:04:56.640And my generation wants to re-establish continental alliance.
00:05:02.500The strategic axis, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, developed by Synergy Européenne in the 19th of the last century, was supported by Vladimir Putin government.
00:05:15.420But they couldn't realize the project of the new great Europe, from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean, for many reasons.
00:05:25.060My idea was to complete the European axis with Spain in the West and India in the East, so we could have a strong pan-Aryan union.
00:05:38.660Of course, China is very important for the continental stability and peace, but it is too different from the racial point of view.
00:05:55.960The Mongolite population of China is 10 times bigger than the European Russian one.
00:06:04.980So, racial assimilation, in this case, means dissolution of the minority.
00:06:11.300Considering the alternative post-NATO military bloc, we wanted to find good partners in Europe and USA for the further strategic cooperation.
00:06:25.180Our ex-minister of defense, Mr. Ivanov, has even proposed the idea of the Northern Alliance, but North Atlantic Treaty Organization bosses didn't want these radical changes.
00:06:43.420The U.S. Army wants to be the only chief in the European world.
00:08:04.780In that time, I was the editor of the traditionalist Russian magazine, The Heritage of Ancestors.
00:08:12.880And we decided to exchange ideas with Synergy.
00:08:17.740In the first year of the new millennium, I have founded the Almanach Atenei.
00:08:23.820That means Ateneum, the Temple of Wisdom.
00:08:27.720It was my answer to the challenges of the 21st century.
00:08:35.040In the ideology, our Ateneum did not imitate any of anterior schools.
00:08:44.160We were conscious that returning to old religions and myths in their archaic forms is impossible in our age.
00:08:51.200However, we wanted to continue the classical tradition and to promote new aristocracy in Russia.
00:08:59.580Tackling the problems of the contemporary world, we touched upon a wide range of topics dealing with history and racial studies,
00:09:11.120religion and aesthetics, science and technology, economics and politics, international relations, of course,
00:09:19.620and the arts and the art of world war.
00:09:24.300During 10 years, I have published hundreds of very important materials of most diverse genres.
00:09:32.120Analytical forecasts, strategic researches, academic articles, literary says, books and CDs, reviews and so on.
00:09:42.420I have also organized in Moscow some international conferences like The Wide World's Future and Russia and Europe's New Perspectives.
00:09:54.660They gathered famous European thinkers like Guillaume Fay, France, Pierre Vial, France, David Duke, USA, Pierre Krebs, Germany, Chris Roman, Flanders.
00:10:10.600As a result, we have founded Euro-Russian Geopolitical Center in Belgium.
00:10:16.300The last paper edition of our Ateneum was published in 2008 for political and technical reasons.
00:10:28.960Now, we have only a web version of the Ateneum and it's very different from what we had 10 or 12 years ago.
00:10:38.580Anyway, you're welcome to visit the English page of our web forum.
00:10:43.540Well, how can we work and fight together for a traditionalist and new right alternative to this modern degeneration that we're seeing?
00:10:53.320The answer to this question is not so easy as it seems to be, Dirlana.
00:10:59.820First, we need to know the achievements of our movement all over the world.
00:11:05.720And we Russians usually know better what's happening in the West than Europeans and Americans know about us.
00:11:15.780Yes, we read and speak English, German, French, Spanish, but Western people very seldom speak Russian.
00:11:23.500You don't know our history and our victories, so I propose the white pride activists to discover the unknown continent.
00:11:35.320And you will find a lot of surprises then.
00:11:38.660The good news is that these processes is on a way.
00:11:42.920The International Conservative Forum that took place in St. Petersburg this year has gathered about 50 leaders from many countries and organizations,
00:11:58.660including Sam Dixon and Jared Taylor from American Renaissance.
00:12:06.320The delegates of different views agreed to cooperate for a spiritual alternative to the modern degeneration.
00:12:15.600The liberal capitalist society has criticized this outstanding event,
00:12:21.960but some of its principles, because some of its principles do not admit the aggression of the new American world order and its libertarian tolerance.
00:12:33.020Well, I have to ask, since we never get the real story of Russia, would you say Russia is controlled by a capitalist oligarchy or what is it?
00:12:42.780Modern Russia has been controlled by a capitalist oligarchy before Putin's regime.
00:12:50.880And I can say openly that it was a Zionist mafia, because only seven Jewish bankers, the head of the Russian Jewish Congress in Yeltsin time, control 50 percent, the half of the financial system of our big country.
00:13:42.240We came, he, Anthony Sutton, came to the USA from England to make researches in the Hoover Institute of Wars and Revolutions.
00:13:54.220And the second part of the last century, Anthony Sutton has written some very important studies, especially about Wall Street, Wall Street bankers, and the order skull and bones.
00:14:06.340Some of them I have omitted in Russia.
00:14:08.900Some of them I have written some very important studies, which I can make the list, how the order creates wars and revolutions, trilateral of America, the Federal Reserve Bank conspiracy, Wall Street and the Bolshevik revolution, and Wall Street and the rise of Hitler.
00:14:26.720So, all these books are published in Russia and Moscow.
00:14:33.000The main conclusion of this outstanding researcher is that the order used in the world politics, the dialectical principle of the controlled conflict.
00:14:47.400When two sides make war, the third participant plays on the contradictions of this conflict.
00:14:57.180The American New World Order is the result of this strategy.
00:15:01.520Well, in America, some of these topics, they're considered radical and racist.
00:15:10.040Well, anti-capitalist critics has been always considered radical in the USA.
00:15:15.200But in Russia, we have a long socialist experience during the USSR, when anti-capitalist and anti-imperialism were crucial points of the official communist propaganda.
00:15:29.480At the same time, the Soviet anti-Syanist movement was not racial and not anti-Jewish, as it was in the National Socialist Germany.
00:15:42.280Russian conspirologists know that anti-Semitic Hitler was the instrument of the Anglo-American geopolitical game against Germany and Russia.
00:15:58.600It is impossible to conquer Russia that is protected by God.
00:16:02.120Well, in your book, The White World and My Heart, you brought up an interesting concept by S.N. Trubetskoy, who developed the concept of the sobornost, of human consciousness.
00:16:12.960And I think that's very relevant today.
00:16:14.960So, tell us about it and how it ties into your idea of spiritual soil.
00:16:20.540It is a very special point of my philosophy and not easy to explain in two sentences.
00:16:29.940Sobornost is a concept that expresses free, aggregative, personal, organic, self-developing unity.
00:16:42.580It derives from the word sobor, which means a process of coming together, of moving from different directions toward one point.
00:16:52.960It is close to the symbol of the Orthodox faith, the ancient Greek term, for all, according to all, and altogether, mystically expressed in the Holy Trinity and the Church itself.
00:17:10.780Many Russian thinkers developed the universal idea of sobornist.
00:17:17.320And Sergei Trubetskoy, that you have mentioned, is one of them.
00:17:20.880His personal view refers to the supra-individual nature of human consciousness, of human mind and language, to the principal vector of its development.
00:17:36.440From a syncretic view of the world, through the individualistic, to a synthetic view, uniting all forms of comprehending reality.
00:17:48.200Intuition, religion, art, philosophy, philosophy, science, and practice.
00:17:54.840It teaches us to see the eternal in time.
00:17:59.320Because every person, every person, every I, and you, Lana, is a part of the divine soul.
00:18:08.900Sobornist is manifested in many forms of human life.
00:18:14.700Family, communities, free statehood, various religions and international organizations.
00:18:22.320Some saints and prominent persons like Sergius of Radonish or Nikolai Fyodorov turn after their death into the symbols of sobornist too.
00:18:36.960And we pray to the sobor of all saints who have achieved glory on Russian land and believe that our souls will unite with them and with God after the final trial.
00:18:48.900So is this idea of sobornost, is it returning in Russia?
00:20:33.300Russians, by nature, constitute 80% of all population of our country.
00:20:40.860The myth about Mongoloid influence into the Russian genetics is incorrect.
00:20:45.920European Russians are very close to Baltic and German peoples.
00:20:55.320Some years ago, I have written and published a book, Veneti Slavs and Sisters, where I prove this thesis with many details from a historical point of view.
00:21:09.280Well, at the start of your book, you talk about how the Russian Tsar's dynasty goes back to the house of Rurik or Rurug.
00:24:20.980So, when Christianity came, the background of the human mentality was complete with very strong religious myths and traditions.
00:24:29.820Historically, the savior, Jesus Christ, had also ancestors like Krishna and Buddha.
00:24:40.820They all were incarnations of the divine absolute.
00:24:46.820The Holy Trinity itself is a Christian version of the Vedic Trimurti.
00:24:52.820And the mother, Mary, is the heiress of the great mother, Indian Mahadevi, or old European Mater Matuta.
00:25:06.120A Christian church had to assimilate various pagan traditions, but they could not do it quickly.
00:25:13.520This way appeared the mixture of the heathen myth and Christian theology, that we call dual faith.
00:25:24.400Well, before Christianity, we know the Slavs, they had their own traditions and pantheon of deities.
00:25:30.360So, what were some of these primordial traditions of the Slavs before Christianity?
00:25:34.960The oldest period of the Russian and Slavs' primordial tradition is connected with the Hyperborean civilization
00:25:44.920that took place on the Arctic continent, northern Arctic continent, many thousand years ago.
00:25:53.960In the northern part of Eurasia are found the rest of prehistoric cities and temples, like Arkaim or Arctic islands.
00:26:05.120Some sacred Indo-Aryan texts, as Veda, confirm the history of migrations of Aryans from the north to the south.
00:26:15.120Many of local toponyms, especially river names from northern Russia, have parallels in Veda.
00:26:24.080The primordial Hyperborean tradition is reflected in the common Indo-European mythology, very well known in the academic world.
00:26:34.640When we speak about native gods, we mean our primordial, heathen, Indo-Aryan, ancient European, and old Slavs.
00:26:45.120It has its own history, described in many ways in different schools.
00:26:54.420There are hundreds of traditions to interpret, to present, and to glorify our pagan gods.
00:27:04.020The native gods, Pantheon, is many thousand years ago, of course.
00:27:09.220The roots have been growing from anti-Diluvian era, from Paleolithic times and matriarchist society.
00:27:19.480It is not easy to study this primordial tradition as whole, to see genetic and linguistic links, to avoid subjectivism, localism, and personal fantasies.
00:27:31.480For example, so-called Western schools, they like to speak about Indo-European tradition, but generally surveys Celtic, Germanic, and Indian heritage.
00:27:48.400The Baltoslavic, Scythian, or Russian antiquities are not well known in the West.
00:27:53.340This ideological mistake is not acceptable for the modern Europe that unites Western and Eastern parts of the continent.
00:28:02.140Well, what more can you tell us about their worldview in ancient pagan Slavic times?
00:28:06.880In short, the tree of life, that is called Arbor Mundi, in Latin, or Yggdrasil in Scandinavian languages, united three worlds.
00:28:23.000The sky above, the earth in the heart, and the underground below.
00:28:28.420These three spheres were populated by pagan gods of different qualities.
00:28:34.240In the Hyperborean mythology, for example, the god of the sky, Zeus, has a vertical structure, symbolized by a nexus, phallus, or tree, or shivalingam.
00:28:53.100Zeus impregnates Leto, or Lada, who personifies the astral zodiac, round in form and rotating in function.
00:29:04.240Her symbol is a ring, her symbol is a ring, diamond ring.
00:29:08.240Zeus and Leto produce twins, namely, the polar goddess's beard, Artemis, Russian Lelia or Rožanice,
00:29:18.640and Apollo, Russian cupola, dashbok, the archer, who is associated with the Taurus constellation.
00:29:29.120And both twins were born under the pole star at the point of absolute north of the world axis,
00:29:38.260which is why they are called Hyperborean.
00:29:42.180Various Slavonic tribes have their own peculiarities in the pantheon, and it is impossible to describe it in this interview.
00:30:28.960The very popular nowadays book of Veles, Velesova knyga, to my opinion, was written in the middle of the 20th century by folklorist Yuri Miralubov.
00:37:45.300And she had three brothers and one sister.
00:37:48.220So five or six children were just normal.
00:37:53.980But now the situation is absolutely different because this tolerance for homosexualism is very dangerous.
00:38:05.220And the scientists of the 20th century discovered that the main reason is contraception and aborts that kill millions, millions of childs in the pregnant and pregnant.
00:38:22.600And one of my friends calculated that much more child people were killed in pregnant than they died in the first and second world war.