Radio 3Fourteen - Spiritual Re-Connection _ Consciousness Technologies

00:00:00.000 I'll see you next time.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:00.000 He's the PR agent for a number of best-selling alternative authors and helps to promote conferences such as CPAC, Awaken Aware in the U.S., and Megalithomania.

00:01:10.700 When not working on conferences, he's organizing and running tours to Egypt, Peru, Bolivia, Stonehenge, and other sacred sites.

00:01:18.500 Hi, Gary. How are you?

00:01:20.160 Hi, Lana. Yeah, thanks for having me on the show. Good to hear your voice at last.

00:01:23.860 Yes, it's good to finally speak with you as you and I have worked together coordinating many guests for Red Ice.

00:01:28.600 We have probably over 20 by my calculations.

00:01:33.100 So how many people are you representing these days?

00:01:36.320 Well, it's a difficult question to answer because I'm working with probably 50 plus authors, but in various different capacities.

00:01:46.600 So it depends how you measure it.

00:01:49.040 But directly, probably 15 to 20.

00:01:52.320 Wow. So what are your days like? Is this pretty much all-consuming for you?

00:01:57.940 Yes. Something we'll probably talk about later is doing what you love.

00:02:02.540 So rather than it being a drain, the days are so exciting that I never want them to end.

00:02:08.500 So, yeah, I've had a busy week working on tours this week to Peru, lots of tours coming up in Egypt, England, Ireland, Malta next year.

00:02:19.800 I'm co-hosting quite a few.

00:02:21.480 Wow. So where does your drive, your energy come from?

00:02:24.220 Well, I kind of have phases, what I would call office time, when I'm at home booking lots of media interviews for my clients and preparing tours and working out the best ways to inspire people on the tours because it's really something a bit deeper than just going and visiting.

00:02:44.800 Yeah, sure.

00:02:45.260 And I always get a lot of buzz going on when I'm talking to radio show hosts and magazine editors, TV producers, because I get to discuss my passions with them and more often than not share experiences.

00:03:01.620 And then they tell me they've experienced similar things so we can compare notes.

00:03:06.540 So the pictures, yeah, coming together nicely.

00:03:08.780 So it's all entwined what I'm doing.

00:03:12.000 My personal research is connected to all of the trips and the radio show hosts I book my clients in because I get to know them personally and develop friendships and then visit them and travel around the world.

00:03:27.560 So it's all very nicely interconnected, which definitely is making life a lot of fun.

00:03:32.480 And you also just returned from the USA, right?

00:03:34.660 So how did it feel on an energetic level compared to Europe?

00:03:38.780 Well, I've just got back from the West End and then stopped by New York.

00:03:44.880 And I spent 10 weeks in the US and Peru at the end of last year.

00:03:49.400 So I kind of got used to the US last year and always enjoyed being there.

00:03:54.720 I mean, I am fortunate in that I get to spend time with people that are trying to inspire others and running events and sort of putting our heads together and trying to move things forward, really.

00:04:06.800 Because we got to a certain point with the, you could call it the alternative movement by acting and media in a certain way.

00:04:17.500 But how do we get to the next step?

00:04:19.680 How are we going to start making significant changes to the planet for the better?

00:04:25.400 How are people going to start tuning into these things and doing what they love?

00:04:29.760 So those are the kind of meetings I've just got back from.

00:04:33.260 So, yeah, fantastic trip.

00:04:34.820 And I got to see the sun.

00:04:36.760 I hope the American people treated you nicely.

00:04:39.160 Yes, I think their hospitality is second to none.

00:04:42.920 Yeah, we still try and say please and thank you and excuse me, which I hope never dies.

00:04:48.040 No, no, we definitely like that in England.

00:04:50.460 Now, you also went to James Gilliland's East City Ranch.

00:04:53.540 So did you see anything there?

00:04:55.780 I did because I've been booking in some of my clients on James's radio show.

00:05:01.540 So I've got to know his producer, Nate, who's a great guy.

00:05:04.840 So I flew up to Oregon and Nate picked me up.

00:05:07.840 And I also knew about quite a few people in the media that had been up there.

00:05:14.140 And they said, you've got to go because this place is incredible.

00:05:16.840 And these were people that I trusted.

00:05:18.920 So I thought, right, let's try and fit this into the trip and see what we can find out.

00:05:24.980 I mean, is there really something tangible happening there?

00:05:30.060 And, yeah, I would say that there is definitely something happening there.

00:05:33.900 I mean, I saw some strange things in the sky.

00:05:37.040 I wouldn't say there was anything conclusive.

00:05:39.360 We kept calling for the mothership, but it didn't land in the field just to clear it up for me.

00:05:46.380 Oh, yeah, we were there.

00:05:50.220 Actually, my parents went to and Henrik and I and we wore the night goggles and we saw quite a bit there.

00:05:55.340 Lots of light orbs flying around and we heard something really strange out in the woods, too.

00:06:01.200 All right.

00:06:01.820 Yeah, maybe it was Bigfoot because I know he's up there in the Pacific Northwest hanging around.

00:06:05.820 Could be.

00:06:07.620 But I think the best thing about James's ranch was the people that he'd attracted to him.

00:06:13.920 I don't think I've ever been in the company of so many guys that are so heart-based.

00:06:19.580 So it was a really nice sharing.

00:06:21.120 Everyone kind of had their jobs around the ranch and it was effortless.

00:06:25.620 So we had a fantastic time, lots of sharing, lots of ideas flowing.

00:06:31.060 So I'm definitely going to return as soon as possible and would recommend anyone that's ever thought of going there.

00:06:36.940 I think they'll have a great time if they do.

00:06:38.840 Yeah, I would recommend that, too.

00:06:40.660 So you also did some sort of a lecture there and you were discussing spiritual reconnection.

00:06:46.160 And this is something that I wanted to discuss with you today.

00:06:48.680 So I thought maybe we can begin with defining what spiritual connection means.

00:06:54.180 Okay.

00:06:55.140 Well, I ended up giving a three and a half hour lecture at James's because a lot of these subjects are very complicated and you want to try and express it in a way that different people understand the point you're trying to make.

00:07:06.720 So I'll just try and condense things a bit today and get to the really juicy bits is probably the approach.

00:07:16.300 So how did we lose our connection with the universe and with God?

00:07:21.260 Well, what I'm looking at is the sort of modern way of life compared to these ancient societies. 0.91

00:07:28.740 And you've interviewed Lucy Wyatt.

00:07:30.860 Henrik's spoken to her a couple of times.

00:07:32.560 And it's not about going back to the Stone Age.

00:07:35.440 It's about how can we live and work in a more harmonious way with the planet and each other.

00:07:44.340 So taking the best bits of what we used to be and integrating it into something that's more realistic.

00:07:52.560 And cities are certainly responsible for cutting a lot of people off, I think, from the natural environment because that's where I would say I sort of charge my soul by spending time in nature.

00:08:05.440 So that's a very easy way that anyone that's living in a city can just get out more.

00:08:12.020 Forests are wonderful.

00:08:15.220 Beaches, lots of negative ions, if people know about those, generated by the sea and waterfalls.

00:08:21.140 So these are places we can sort of tap into our intuition more if we're trying to work out what to do with our lives.

00:08:27.800 And another thing that I really like to do is bare feet on the ground.

00:08:33.700 I love that too.

00:08:35.320 It's just – it feels good for a start.

00:08:38.900 So that's one good reason to do it.

00:08:40.500 But it's also another good way of getting rid of stress.

00:08:43.860 We've had a busy day.

00:08:44.920 And you can get a charge of energy once you've sort of sensitized yourself, which we can hopefully discuss a bit.

00:08:52.900 That ties into the spiritual connection side of it.

00:08:57.000 Then I think people will start getting addicted to it as I do.

00:09:01.400 So I go out every day, just have my bare feet and spend some time in nature.

00:09:05.360 And I've been kind of running an experiment on it for my research because it's the time spent in nature and sort of tuning into the world around us that you can then use at these ancient sites to get some quite profound epiphanies.

00:09:22.200 Right.

00:09:22.360 So what we're really talking about is a kind of a two-part process where we work on ourself and our consciousness to, you could say, a higher vibration.

00:09:35.400 It's probably the normal term.

00:09:37.920 And then you take yourself to these ancient sites.

00:09:41.740 And then they become – it's a two-way process rather than just you going there and saying,

00:09:47.420 oh, well, that's wonderful, and taking a photograph, there's some kind of interaction that starts happening once your consciousness is more aware of the world around you.

00:09:57.120 And that's when these places can really start talking to you.

00:10:02.040 And you're saying the energy is still really strong today, even in the ancient sites.

00:10:07.380 Many of them.

00:10:09.480 And that's, in fact, what I'm working on at the moment is a list of ancient sites around the world that I would call are still working.

00:10:16.600 To various degrees.

00:10:20.360 And certainly intact structures like the Great Pyramid, which I think we'll probably discuss later, are very powerful still.

00:10:29.320 There's no doubt about it.

00:10:30.860 If we've got the ears to listen, then they're quite capable of talking to us still.

00:10:37.640 So I'm working on a list of what you could call power places around the planet.

00:10:41.960 And you have to visit them in person.

00:10:45.840 Really so important.

00:10:47.860 Yeah, I would agree.

00:10:48.960 I have traveled to many of the high places, and it's life-changing.

00:10:53.040 Is it possible that not all of us had that connection, even in ancient times?

00:10:58.260 Well, there's lots of theories about, you could say, young souls or people that have just incarnated here.

00:11:08.400 But I think they're different places.

00:11:11.900 It's not like everybody needs to go to Egypt.

00:11:14.040 I don't think that's how the system's going to work.

00:11:16.680 And that's why I'm trying to look at it from a worldwide perspective.

00:11:19.580 But different places can talk to different people in different ways.

00:11:23.460 And, I mean, they're just so powerful.

00:11:26.740 I think once anyone's got a bit of sensitivity to these things going, they're certainly capable of getting some kind of hit.

00:11:34.920 I call it seeing the magic.

00:11:38.920 That's right.

00:11:40.120 It's also plausible that some people may be disconnected from God the source because of maybe certain behavior in another existence or a past life.

00:11:47.820 What would you say about that?

00:11:48.940 My understanding, and I did have a bit of an epiphany about it, was that you don't – I know a lot of people like to look into past lives and things.

00:12:01.060 But the way that the system was shown to me was that we come down here with a clean slate.

00:12:05.900 This is why we don't remember past lives because there's too much trauma and things to cope with in this life.

00:12:12.060 So you really don't want to be remembering everything that happened before.

00:12:15.280 So I try and stay away from going into that side of things too much.

00:12:20.360 So it's more about my research is releasing what's happened to us in this lifetime.

00:12:27.200 And that's why I've got all these sort of different methods that I'm now working with.

00:12:31.820 And yoga is certainly a very powerful tool that can help many people and sound healings, I think we'll talk about.

00:12:42.060 So it's more of working on what we've been doing in this life, releasing blockages.

00:12:47.280 And I think what we really need to do, if we're looking at a consciousness shift happening around the planet, which is a popular subject this year, well, what does that mean?

00:13:00.920 And to me, that means moving from a fear-based consciousness where we sort of stop ourselves doing things that we love because of what ifs, what if this happens?

00:13:13.980 Well, I've sort of dismissed that way of doing things because normally they don't happen.

00:13:19.420 Then what happens instead is that you have a fantastic experience and meet some great people.

00:13:25.300 So we've got to move from this kind of fear-based way of looking at the world up into the, and you call it the heart, I call it heart-based consciousness or being centered in our meridian or chakra system.

00:13:40.280 And once you're in a sort of heart space and thinking, thinking of others, becoming more aware of others, not necessarily putting yourself first all the time, that's when life gets a bit more exciting.

00:13:58.280 Do you think everyone has a destiny or is that something that we each create on our own?

00:14:04.780 I think we come down here with a purpose.

00:14:08.880 We've certainly come down here with something that were big things that we wanted to do or lessons to learn.

00:14:16.480 There was a book title that I normally like to reference, and it was called A School Called Earth.

00:14:22.140 So from that perspective, there's certainly things to learn.

00:14:26.460 And as we begin to free our mind from the constraints that we've been put in, that's certainly how it felt to me with a sort of normal view of the world.

00:14:37.000 It's a very restrictive view, so you need to sort of free your mind a bit more to greater possibilities.

00:14:45.020 So that would be my take on it.

00:14:47.080 I like to ask a lot of people this, but I want to get your take.

00:14:50.160 So do you think we're stuck in the Matrix?

00:14:51.660 Um, no.

00:14:55.600 No, I don't think so.

00:14:56.700 The Matrix, I watched it recently with a couple of friends in the States, and it's definitely a very good analogy.

00:15:04.360 There are a lot of people, I would say, stuck in there still.

00:15:07.920 Um, and the kind, I was starting to see when I was looking at it recently, was the people in the pods that are in the kind of human farm.

00:15:17.280 It's almost like people in cubicles in an office.

00:15:20.940 Their minds are just in this small little box, and so you get onto this kind of treadmill.

00:15:26.860 And I mean, I've been there.

00:15:28.440 I spent a long time there, and I just started to feel that it was soul-destroying.

00:15:32.880 So we need some kind of practical way of getting people from that situation, because that obviously pays the bills, into a situation where they can do what they love, and that also pays the bills.

00:15:47.880 So I've got quite a few thoughts on that.

00:15:50.560 Share them.

00:15:51.580 Yeah.

00:15:52.980 And, um, the sort of practical basis that I've come up with is, it's not a good idea to obviously just, uh,

00:16:02.380 throw your job in if you've got a rent and children to support.

00:16:07.060 So I think the sort of practical way of going about things is if there's something that you've really got a strong passion about that you'd love to do,

00:16:15.180 is to research that, first of all, in the small amount of time that you've got available,

00:16:21.020 and then go about a good way of, of, um, making it something more concrete.

00:16:27.480 So you slowly start to evolve your own business, or perhaps, I mean, some people don't want to work by themselves.

00:16:35.420 So there might be a friend, or perhaps you can, you can connect with somebody, um, across the internet.

00:16:41.580 So you could form a partnership, and then you've, you've got somebody to work with.

00:16:45.540 Because a lot of the projects I work on are collaborations, because we've all got our different strengths.

00:16:52.340 That's right.

00:16:52.660 So it's always good to have a partner.

00:16:55.180 And you, and you and Henrik have obviously formed a very strong partnership doing the wonderful work you guys are doing.

00:17:01.220 That's right.

00:17:01.660 Um, but of course, it can be, um, few men or, or ladies.

00:17:06.580 It doesn't have to be, um, one of each sex.

00:17:11.100 But then start, yeah, just start to expand it.

00:17:13.900 I like to set myself small, medium, and long-term goals for all my projects.

00:17:19.080 So just start off something with a kind of a minimum risk, and then gradually try and expand it.

00:17:25.940 And make sure, um, that you're really doing everything possible.

00:17:30.760 I think this is one of the lessons I've learned.

00:17:33.540 And your intuition might, might talk to you and, and give you an idea that you think,

00:17:38.240 ah, well, that's such a long shot, but that's never going to happen.

00:17:41.800 Those thoughts can quite often be the ones that really set things into motion.

00:17:46.660 So you've got to do everything you can possibly think of, because there's normally nothing to lose and everything to gain.

00:17:53.740 That's right.

00:17:54.780 And, um, determination and willpower.

00:17:57.660 That was how I started my PR company.

00:18:01.300 I was absolutely determined.

00:18:03.400 There was no way, um, that I was failing.

00:18:06.660 I had to make it happen.

00:18:08.700 And, and out of that came the company, because I was just so determined.

00:18:13.800 So you, so you need to really work on your willpower and do everything you can.

00:18:18.900 Um, and then hopefully over time, you can slowly build up something that will eventually turn into a business that replaces the job that perhaps you're not enjoying so much.

00:18:30.620 Do you also think that if there's a changing paradigm happening right now, that some jobs are going to become outdated and other new jobs will arise?

00:18:39.840 Definitely.

00:18:40.320 Because there's a lot of crappy jobs right now that require just a real low level of consciousness. 0.58

00:18:44.620 Yes, yeah, mind numbing.

00:18:47.840 Um, well, I always used to, when I was in the office world, get, get bored, very bored with things after a year or 18 months.

00:18:55.560 I just couldn't see how I could do the same thing, um, for ages.

00:19:00.320 Um, and I hope with the, the consciousness shift that's happening, and there is definitely something happening, I'm, I'm confident enough to say that it's not all just sort of woo woo or talk.

00:19:11.860 The internet is the big reason for it, because it's enabling, um, like-minded souls to find each other all around the planet, share ideas, and the information flow, um, and speed of events now compared to 20 years ago.

00:19:26.860 I mean, it's just tremendous what we accomplish in a few months would have taken years before, so there's certainly something happening on the planet, and there's a lot of people, I feel fortunate to know many of them, that have got the same goal of moving, um, into a more sustainable way of being, because it's quite clear that we can't go on with our old bad habits and lack of respect for the environment.

00:19:52.140 I mean, that's one of my big, um, motivational things.

00:19:55.980 Well, and the other part of that is, if you work at one of those companies, quit.

00:20:01.580 Don't, don't support it, don't be a slave to that, and I think the universe will reward you, and other doors will open up.

00:20:08.060 So it's about not being such a chicken and taking a risk, you know, I hear so many people complaining in their jobs and complaining all the time, it's like, well, then do something about it.

00:20:17.260 Well, that's it, yeah, we've certainly got to, we've got to act now, um, the point of waiting for somebody else to fix the problems that we see, I think we went past that, we went past that a few years ago, is when I decided to step out of the shadows.

00:20:32.500 We've got to take responsibility for ourselves, and if there's something that we feel strongly about, we've got to try and do something about it.

00:20:40.540 It's no good just sitting on the sidelines anymore.

00:20:43.880 So how would one go about finding what, what is their destiny?

00:20:47.780 Let's say they have no clue, there's nothing that really inspires them, uh, they're, they're not really activated into that yet, that part of themselves.

00:20:54.960 How would they go about awakening their own self to find their life path?

00:21:00.540 Well, that's where perhaps some of the experiences at the ancient sites I've had could help.

00:21:05.960 Um, because I certainly feel that my travels have allowed me to find myself more.

00:21:11.260 And something that, that's an ongoing process.

00:21:14.300 I think there's still a lot more that I can learn.

00:21:17.040 But yeah, getting in touch with yourself, um, which is part of the, the spiritual reconnection theme.

00:21:23.760 Um, and developing our intuition, and I, I believe it's a skill that everybody has, um, generally credited to ladies because they're perhaps a bit more sensitive because men are, are told, ah, we're supposed to be the, the kind of harder of the two.

00:21:39.720 But, but actually, if you increase your sensitivity, it does get to a point where it provides you with a huge amount of strength.

00:21:48.080 Um, that's a, so it's a bit of an oxymoron when, when men are thinking about being sensitive, because actually they'd be even stronger if they kind of go down that road.

00:21:58.880 Right.

00:21:59.380 What my experience has told me.

00:22:01.280 So, um, developing your intuition, which yoga, I mean, it's just helped me in a tremendous way.

00:22:09.860 So I came out of my second yoga class a completely different man because I'd build up all of this, what it was stress, um, depression because I wasn't doing something that I loved.

00:22:20.500 And then, and there was anger in there and the, the yoga is a good way to release it.

00:22:26.480 So if, if people find themselves in stressful situations or around people that are angry, you've really got to work on a way to, to keep yourself, um, cleansed.

00:22:37.160 So do you think that that's mostly a physical thing?

00:22:39.160 Because I think some people, they think that yoga is almost a spiritual experience when really it's a, a physical release that happens.

00:22:46.240 What do you think?

00:22:46.820 Um, yes.

00:22:48.720 Yeah.

00:22:49.320 Um, well, my yoga teacher attributes the, the stress and sort of anger building up in the liver and kidneys.

00:22:56.260 So we do a lot of, um, stretches and poses that put pressure on those, that area.

00:23:02.060 And I, and it just feels really good.

00:23:04.820 Um, so I, I think she's probably right with that, that idea because when you get stressed, you get this kind of tight feeling in your stomach.

00:23:12.980 And sometimes people get terrible pain.

00:23:15.100 Um, if they've had a buildup of stress, so there needs to be some, some way of releasing that.

00:23:20.560 And, and the idea, if we say, oh, well, well, that person's an angry person.

00:23:25.460 I'm not a subscriber to that anymore.

00:23:28.060 That person's got a lot of anger about things, maybe terrible things that they've had to endure.

00:23:33.840 But they want to, um, work through it on some level.

00:23:38.400 So you've slowly got to get in tune with yourself, um, and let go of things.

00:23:43.280 And, and it's the same for the heart when we have relationships and we form attachments to people and we, we end up perhaps disappointed.

00:23:51.480 And then we, we feel this hurt.

00:23:53.180 So we hold on to this feeling, but, but it's no good for us.

00:23:57.900 We've got to let, try and let go of these things.

00:24:00.220 And it's an ongoing process if it was somebody that meant a lot to us.

00:24:04.180 So we've got to keep finding different ways to gradually sort of peel back these layers like an onion skin and let go of things.

00:24:12.180 And so we're more free, um, to love again and, and move forwards in a positive light.

00:24:20.660 That's right.

00:24:21.240 And I think that's another reason why people are probably getting so sick in our world.

00:24:25.300 They're stressed and they have all these unresolved issues.

00:24:27.880 And so it just explodes, implodes inside the body.

00:24:31.980 Yeah.

00:24:32.580 Well, unfortunately I didn't teach many of these things at school.

00:24:36.380 Um, so I had to go out into the world and, and try and find out what, what different people are doing to help.

00:24:42.180 And then try these things.

00:24:44.700 Is there a tangible effect?

00:24:46.260 Because there's lots of things out there when you start looking into it, but what, what can really help people?

00:24:52.140 And what's something I'd kind of call fluffy, that's not particularly effective.

00:24:56.740 And I'm trying to get a list of things that we can implement into our daily lives.

00:25:01.740 Like nutrition is a huge part of that.

00:25:04.580 The water we drink, um, meditation time.

00:25:09.020 Um, so we can, we can just have a bit of time to ourselves is also important.

00:25:13.500 Um, so there's lots of different things that we can do and, and different people resonate to different areas.

00:25:19.140 So I'm working on a book.

00:25:21.460 It's just going to be a small sort of practical guide, um, spirit, about spiritual reconnection and, and positive steps that we can implement.

00:25:30.820 Um, with pretty minimum effort as well.

00:25:34.220 So what was your waking up process like?

00:25:38.180 When did you come into a lot of these topics or spirituality in general?

00:25:41.780 Did you grow up around it or did this come later?

00:25:43.820 No, no, I didn't grow up around it.

00:25:47.180 In fact, I felt very isolated.

00:25:49.780 Um, just had a couple of friends I could kind of talk to, but I had various, um, what I would call awakenings.

00:25:56.180 There was a, there was a big one at 17 and I ended up going out to the local libraries once I'd suddenly realized that life was a bit more interesting than I'd been taught at school.

00:26:07.140 I'll get 10 books out of one library and that was the maximum.

00:26:10.220 So I go over to the next library and get another 10 books out.

00:26:13.540 Um, and it was at that point I found, um, Robert Bavowell and Graham Hancock's writings, who I'm now, um, feel very fortunate to count amongst my friends and clients because they were some of my original inspirers, um, almost 20 years ago now.

00:26:32.940 So I kind of had these, these points where I'd absorb a lot of information and then perhaps sort of go back to a more sleepy state of consciousness and work in an office.

00:26:43.180 Trying to find my way in the world.

00:26:45.340 And then about three years ago, my intuition said, go to yoga.

00:26:50.140 And thankfully I started listening to it by that point.

00:26:53.220 And that was where the real big shift happened.

00:26:56.820 I started the PR company traveling around the world, which led me to, to these amazing experiences in Egypt, um, helping to run tours in Egypt, sharing group experiences with people.

00:27:11.540 And, and, and at that point, I started to find out about, um, sound and the effects of, uh, sound on our consciousness because I'm, I'm more into the, um, experiential side now.

00:27:28.780 Left, left, left brain kind of, um, information gets us to a certain point, but if somebody's trying to work on themselves, they've really got to have some kind of experience.

00:27:40.620 So it becomes a bit more tangible.

00:27:42.780 And this is why, um, I'm working on so many conferences around the world, which provides an opportunity, not only to, to meet the authors that people love, but being the company of other like-minded souls.

00:27:57.780 I mean, many of these conferences that I've had the privilege of working on feels like the spiritual family coming back into one place.

00:28:05.780 And this was one of the most empowering things that happened to me in 2010 when I went to my first conference, Megalithomania in Glastonbury.

00:28:15.780 And before that, I'd been the sort of, what I call the arm, arm chair investigator, had interests in the mysteries of life and ancient civilizations, but I was sort of viewing it from afar.

00:28:26.780 And once I was in the company of all these other people in Glastonbury, suddenly I had friends to talk to that had read the same books, watched the same documentaries, been to the same places.

00:28:38.780 And, and the isolated Gary that felt very, um, alone and sad about things suddenly had all these amazing people to discuss my passions with, and it was incredibly empowering feeling.

00:28:51.780 Um, so, so I'd certainly encourage people if they've ever thought about going to conferences.

00:28:57.780 It can, it can be life changing.

00:28:59.780 Yeah. You can meet some great people there as well.

00:29:01.780 Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:02.780 Friends, girlfriend, whatever.

00:29:04.780 Yep.

00:29:05.780 You can certainly make, uh, meet partners there.

00:29:08.780 Some of my clients have, have met their wives and husbands at conferences, perhaps both of them doing talks and things.

00:29:14.780 Um, but yeah, certainly get some like-minded friends.

00:29:18.780 And that could be another way of getting some of these businesses I was discussing off the ground.

00:29:24.780 People with the same passions that have been thinking.

00:29:26.780 I mean, just lots of, uh, synchronicities, um, happen at events.

00:29:31.780 You just end up finding the right person at the right time.

00:29:34.780 Um, so there can be tremendous opportunities.

00:29:37.780 So how does one begin to attain a higher level of consciousness?

00:29:42.780 If it's something that they're desiring right now, I mean, how do you begin that process?

00:29:47.780 Well, different people say, obviously need different things.

00:29:52.780 We've already touched upon a few things.

00:29:54.780 Um, I certainly think moving a diet away from junk food, um, and lots of meat.

00:30:02.780 I mean, I'm still, um, what I call a carnivore, but I've shifted my diet heavily in a vegetarian direction.

00:30:08.780 And it definitely gives you a clearer, um, level of consciousness.

00:30:13.780 I tried that too.

00:30:14.780 And I did for a time and then I just became very weak and I didn't have any energy.

00:30:20.780 Yeah.

00:30:21.780 So I'm, I'm more of a subscriber to the, um, get, get a good healthy diet going, but don't cut out everything that you love.

00:30:31.780 There's no point in going from one extreme to the other.

00:30:33.780 And I think that can put people off.

00:30:35.780 It's like, well, I like chocolate ice cream, so I'm still going to enjoy my chocolate ice cream.

00:30:40.780 I'm also going to have a lot of, a good amount of veggies in the day and make my green juice.

00:30:45.780 So it's balanced out.

00:30:47.780 Um, and that's more realistic, I think, for people that have got busy lives.

00:30:52.780 Yeah.

00:30:53.780 So, so that and the, the water quality, um, ancient sites is definitely a way that I've found that we can really reach people, these power places around the planet.

00:31:06.780 How does that work?

00:31:07.780 You go there and it just basically activates you or what's the inner working process when you go to a sacred site?

00:31:14.780 Well, let's, um, discuss one example, which I think really kind of cuts to the heart of it.

00:31:21.780 And that's, um, Luxor temple in Egypt, which is one of my very favorite places because it's so, so powerful there.

00:31:30.780 And, um, well, we talk about it in terms of, uh, energy present, but the, the state of consciousness in Egypt, I would say is a, a higher vibration, um, than Europe.

00:31:43.780 And the, and the U S overall, it, it definitely feels different there.

00:31:47.780 You see an extra little twinkle in people's eyes, even the, the cats and things or awake.

00:31:54.780 And, and so, so you've already got a sort of a higher vibration.

00:31:58.780 And then you go into one of these, um, temples and they're just incredible.

00:32:02.780 There's a huge obelisk sitting at the entrance with these 30 to 40 feet tall statues.

00:32:08.780 And one thing that I think perhaps a bit misunderstood about Egypt, even at the entrance to Egypt, the temple of Abu Simbel, you've got these huge statues.

00:32:19.780 But they, when you look at the expressions on their face, it's just ever so peaceful.

00:32:24.780 And they've got their hands resting on their knees.

00:32:26.780 And it's almost like they're, they're meditating.

00:32:28.780 So it really gives you this sort of peaceful feeling when you're there on the ground.

00:32:33.780 It's not, not a sort of, um, warlike feel, um, to it at all.

00:32:38.780 It's a complete opposite.

00:32:40.780 And one of the things that I'd noticed in the temples, um, in Egypt, because I was walking through barefooted, was that where they've put ramps or, um, steps in, that there was a lot more energy in the ground at the top of the ramp to the bottom.

00:32:57.780 So it seemed like they were symbolizing on the ground with a ramp where there was a higher energy present at the top.

00:33:04.780 So I was walking through, um, Luxor temple with a good friend of mine and we walked up, there's a huge ramp and then there's a courtyard following it with all these amazing statues.

00:33:16.780 And it was at night time.

00:33:17.780 So it's all lit up beautifully in these yellow lights and it's just a magical place.

00:33:23.780 And so we got to the top of this ramp and I said to my friend, well, here's this, this is the biggest ramp out of any of the temples that I've come across.

00:33:31.780 I said, well, this is a good place, um, to see what we can feel coming in through our feet because there's this huge ramp there.

00:33:38.780 So it should be marking a difference in the level of consciousness that's available.

00:33:42.780 So she said, okay, so he's standing at the top of the ramp.

00:33:47.780 And the important thing is that you're actually stopping and then you're, you're reaching out.

00:33:54.780 So you're sensing what's around you because this is something that a lot of us don't do.

00:33:57.780 We're busy and we just run past things.

00:33:59.780 So just stopping and feeling what's present is a big part of this process.

00:34:06.780 And then allowing yourself to, to open up to what's available.

00:34:10.780 So we did this and instantly I felt this huge energy rushing in through my feet, up my legs.

00:34:18.780 And I was looking at my hand and the, um, in between the crease of the thumb and forefinger had started to twitch because there was so much energy coming into my body.

00:34:29.780 And I was thinking, thinking to myself, wow, is there really so much energy coming into my body that's making my hand twitch?

00:34:38.780 And as I was thinking that my friends says to me, wow, there's so much energy coming into my body.

00:34:44.780 My hands twitching.

00:34:46.780 I was like, huh.

00:34:47.780 Okay.

00:34:48.780 So maybe this isn't just all in my head and there's something tangible here.

00:34:51.780 And that's, that's one of the things I've been enjoying is when you're running tours, that you can share these experiences with different people and get their perspectives.

00:35:02.780 So it's not just, um, delusional Gary going off in into one, something that we're sharing as a group.

00:35:10.780 And so it makes it a lot more tangible.

00:35:12.780 And then after the experience, because the normal rational thing to do is question the weird things that happen.

00:35:20.780 And then you kind of talk yourself out of it.

00:35:23.780 Oh, well, it wasn't quite surreal as I was thinking.

00:35:25.780 Perhaps I got a bit deluded.

00:35:27.780 I've been to some of these sites and soaked in some of the energy and actually experienced feeling a bit queasy or nauseous.

00:35:34.780 Have you ever had that?

00:35:36.780 Um, well, I might be guilty of enjoying being a bit sort of heady sometimes.

00:35:42.780 But I've certainly had experiences in the Great Pyramid where there was so much energy when I opened up to what was around me that I got scared by what was coming into my body

00:35:54.780 and kind of had to talk myself into, um, going with the flow of the experience.

00:35:59.780 And I know that some of my friends have had to leave temples if I've, cause it can be, um, quite emotional.

00:36:08.780 It can bring things up.

00:36:09.780 There, there can be clearings that are happening.

00:36:11.780 Um, so I think, yeah, I think it's important not to try and push yourself too fast would be some advice.

00:36:18.780 Where does that energy come from?

00:36:20.780 Well, that's the big, uh, question.

00:36:23.780 I was even talking to James, uh, Gilliland about it because some of the temples have been moved in Egypt.

00:36:30.780 So, so I've got various research and friends that work with ley lines and earth energies and things.

00:36:37.780 But if they've actually moved the temple from its original location and it's still very powerful, then it would seem to suggest that there's something else going on as well.

00:36:47.780 Um, but earth energies are, are certainly a big part of many of the, the ancient sites.

00:36:53.780 Um, they, they seem to know sacred places and I, I kind of liken it, um, to a thinning of the veil.

00:37:02.780 So normally there's the kind of the material world and the other side that we will all return to at some point, um, before reincarnating.

00:37:12.780 And at some of these ancient sites, the gap between those two worlds is a lot smaller than normal.

00:37:19.780 So you can almost peer through the veil.

00:37:21.780 Um, and that's when some strange experiences are possibly going to happen.

00:37:26.780 So do you think it was designed that way by the gods or do you think that it happened over time because of the people that were located on that piece of property?

00:37:35.780 Well, I think, um, there was certainly lots of sensitive people around.

00:37:41.780 Um, they were more in tune with their environment is something that we know.

00:37:44.780 And that's, that's a fairly obvious thing to suggest.

00:37:47.780 They were more in tune with the natural world.

00:37:50.780 They needed to go hunting to know the seasons for planting crops and things.

00:37:55.780 And so they were probably sensitive to these places, um, much like the way that I'm starting to find out about probably.

00:38:04.780 And that's by, by just getting myself into a better place, um, emotionally, physically, and from a nutritional point of view that the sensitivity is growing.

00:38:14.780 So you can tune in into these places and then they probably developed some kind of technology to amplify these natural effects.

00:38:25.780 So I think geology has also got a lot to do with it.

00:38:28.780 The rock strata, um, they could amplify the effects and use those, those effects for various different purposes.

00:38:36.780 It's not like there's a one size fits all, um, explanation for all the ancient sites.

00:38:41.780 I think there was lots of different purposes for them.

00:38:44.780 So what do you think happened?

00:38:46.780 What happened in Egypt?

00:38:48.780 Where did everyone go?

00:38:49.780 Well, from what we see, it started at a high point of, um, what we'd probably call a spiritual understanding today and gradually devolved over time.

00:39:00.780 Um, so, so that's, could tie in with, um, the Yuga cycles of consciousness, which I've had a, a couple of clients on your show discussing and the confidence I've just got back from.

00:39:13.780 I mean, I like that idea.

00:39:15.780 It, it does kind of explain why we've had these amazing civilizations that were, were dedicated to something a bit more than the, the latest new car.

00:39:25.780 Um, so that's, that's certainly one good explanation.

00:39:29.780 There's, there's a kind of idea out there that, that we wanted to go into a sort of male dominated left brain society so that we could, we could understand ourselves better.

00:39:41.780 Um, that's certainly one idea, but, but what's happening now is that we need to move away from the kind of male domination imposing ourselves on the world.

00:39:54.780 And, and interacting in a more harmonious way, which is what they were certainly doing in Egypt.

00:40:00.780 And, and also the Stonehenge landscape where I spend a lot of time.

00:40:05.780 There's, it's just covered in amazing sites all around the, all around the countryside in Wiltshire.

00:40:12.780 Um, and we'd be taking some people around there next year.

00:40:16.780 So, and then in America, there's these interesting, um, sites up in New England.

00:40:23.780 That's one of the next places on my list.

00:40:25.780 Yeah, me too.

00:40:26.780 I haven't been over there.

00:40:27.780 Well, I've got a good tour guide over there.

00:40:30.780 Um, that takes people around all the sites because it does appear, whoever the Megalith builders were, um, they did make it at least to the east coast of the states.

00:40:40.780 And there's certainly powerful places like Sedona, um, that are worth visiting that, that can help people's, um, consciousness expand.

00:40:49.780 I had an amazing time there last year.

00:40:51.780 Yeah.

00:40:52.780 Sedona is like a whole other place.

00:40:53.780 You know, it's a city full of kind of new agey, spiritually open-minded people, which is kind of refreshing to be in.

00:41:01.780 Well, there's definitely, um, like Glastonbury, different people get drawn there with different interests.

00:41:07.780 Um, from my perspective, it's got an amazing landscape.

00:41:11.780 It's definitely what I would call an active landscape, which I think, um, coincides with levels of awareness that you can tap into.

00:41:20.780 I mean, I could feel, feel it was going to be different from about 50 miles away before we even arrived.

00:41:26.780 So there's definitely a connection between certain places on the planet, the geology and our level of awareness.

00:41:34.780 That's one of the conclusions that I've reached.

00:41:38.780 So I'm starting to see, um, patterns from my travels now.

00:41:42.780 So it doesn't have to be people traveling thousands of miles or jumping on an airplane.

00:41:47.780 They might have some of these places quite near to them that can help them on their journey.

00:41:52.780 So it's certainly an area worth investigating.

00:41:55.780 So I wanted to also talk about spiritual progression with you since we were on the topic of spiritual reconnection.

00:42:02.780 Because I find even in this field, you can absorb hours and hours of interesting podcasts and take in all kinds of information.

00:42:09.780 But then there's a point when you kind of hit a ceiling and you're like, okay, now what, what's next?

00:42:14.780 I've heard this, heard that, you know.

00:42:16.780 So what do you do when you hit a wall in your progression?

00:42:20.780 Well, that's where the experiential side that I was mentioning comes into it.

00:42:26.780 There's kind, I would say that it's almost like, um, little breadcrumbs in your mind.

00:42:32.780 So you're putting these little breadcrumbs in to build up a path to an understanding, you could call it.

00:42:38.780 But until you actually experience it, it does become real to you.

00:42:43.780 It needs to be something tangible.

00:42:45.780 And that's where, um, the visiting these places and meeting other people, um, and just reaching out really.

00:42:55.780 That's, that's how I've accomplished, um, a growing understanding, which is, which is a constant process.

00:43:02.780 I keep trying to find new things to do.

00:43:05.780 It's not like, um, you get to a certain point and go, that's it. Enlightened.

00:43:10.780 Okay.

00:43:11.780 Yeah.

00:43:12.780 I'm on holiday.

00:43:13.780 And in fact, the more, more I've seen, the more I realize that there is to see.

00:43:19.780 I mean, there's amazing things I'd love to, to do with my life.

00:43:24.780 But, and that's the reason that we probably have reincarnation.

00:43:27.780 There's too many to do everything in this lifetime.

00:43:29.780 So I need to come back and do a few different things in the next, next one.

00:43:34.780 Um, but there was one experience that I wanted to, to share with your listeners to try and paint a bit of a picture about where we can get to.

00:43:43.780 Um, cause I think we're getting a little short on time.

00:43:46.780 And that was, if we go back to, um, to Luxor temple in Egypt, when we were feeling this energy flowing through our bodies.

00:43:55.780 Um, so, so we spent a little time tuning in there, but I, I already knew that there's the inner sanctum.

00:44:02.780 Some people call it the Holy of Holies at the end of the temple.

00:44:05.780 And that was one of the most powerful places in the temple.

00:44:09.780 And the year before, when there was a normal level of tourism, there'd been about 30 or 40 people there.

00:44:14.780 So I hadn't even been able to, to tune in.

00:44:17.780 But this time it was slightly, slightly after the Egyptian revolution.

00:44:22.780 And when I walked into this, um, chamber, there wasn't any tourists there whatsoever.

00:44:29.780 So I sat down and gradually the people, um, that were kind of in our meditation group that I'd been leading.

00:44:36.780 We'd had a few interesting experiences and these people slowly filtered in and we formed a circle and had a meditation there.

00:44:46.780 And, um, and I'd already tuned into the effects of sound on our consciousness.

00:44:53.780 If you, if you vibrate the body using tones, it does help to, um, lift your level of awareness and consciousness.

00:45:03.780 So I was quite keen to implement, um, some of the understandings that I'd had in the Great Pyramid in our little group in Luxor Temple.

00:45:13.780 So I sort of slowly encouraged the group to start toning just very quietly to see if it was appropriate.

00:45:19.780 And the group all started to join in and we gradually raised the level of sound.

00:45:24.780 And it does, um, vibrate with the stone in Egypt. 0.91

00:45:28.780 You get this kind of resonance effect.

00:45:30.780 And, and what ended up happening was we had a group out of body experience.

00:45:36.780 And when I was doing the talk, um, for James in the U S I thought, well,

00:45:43.780 perhaps I can make this a bit more real for people than just giving Gary's perspective.

00:45:48.780 Cause again, it's quite easy to, to be, um, delusional sometimes.

00:45:53.780 So I wrote to a couple of the people that were on in this group with me when we had this out of body experience.

00:45:59.780 So I just wanted to read a couple of quotes just to give people an idea of, of what, what I've found today.

00:46:06.780 And so one, one guy called Amadeus said, uh, well, Luxor was a particularly strange one for me in a good way.

00:46:14.780 I felt more than any other site that it contained its own energy.

00:46:19.780 While we were in there, I felt very disconnected from the outside, even knowing how busy it was right outside.

00:46:25.780 This culminated in the group meditation we had in the heart of the temple.

00:46:29.780 I felt very much like almost I'd gone through a cave system and that the experience I had while meditating was the secret to be found deep inside.

00:46:38.780 And then my other, uh, good friend Petra said,

00:46:42.780 Having walked barefoot with my friend Gary on these sacred grounds, um, not knowing about the idea of Schwaller de Lubitz,

00:46:51.780 which your, your previous guest John Anthony West talks a lot about, um,

00:46:55.780 not knowing about Schwaller's idea of sacred architecture and the perfect man in the temple at this time,

00:47:01.780 I gathered there with a small group of a handful of wonderful and spiritually open people with the intention of doing a short meditation.

00:47:09.780 We sat down in the circle without much hesitating and it seemed everybody knew where his exact place was.

00:47:15.780 And within less than microseconds, I felt literally catapulted out of my body, flowing into the wide light and heavenly realm of another dimension.

00:47:25.780 Feeling like paradise and being connected with everything what is, was and ever will be, just bliss.

00:47:32.780 Consciousness returning back to where it is infinitely free and where its true home is, infinity.

00:47:39.780 Peacefulness, love, a state of being you never want to leave again.

00:47:44.780 But it was not the first time that I've experienced this mind blowing state of existence.

00:47:49.780 Existence has already happened in a similar way before, for example when lying in the resonance box in the king's chamber of the Great Pyramid for the first time in my life.

00:47:59.780 Maybe you could also call it a cosmic orgasm in a non-physical way, when all becomes one in the highest sense we can be aware of.

00:48:08.780 To my opinion, the purpose and ability of ancient sacred sites and incarnated sacred men and women all over the world is to support the human soul to gain higher reconnection and insults.

00:48:21.780 Insights, sorry, when being approached in a humble and unexpected loving and grateful attitude in order to make them learn and understand that love is all that is.

00:48:32.780 Having been blessed with this experience, life will never be the same as before.

00:48:37.780 And that was basically where I went to as well.

00:48:46.780 And it was just the most empowering feeling being connected into something suddenly greater than the individual state of consciousness.

00:48:57.780 So from that point onwards, there's kind of two ways of gaining information that I'm aware of.

00:49:05.780 There's the book learning and listening way of obtaining information.

00:49:10.780 And then there's the way that some of the great minds have obviously accessed information like Einstein and Tesla.

00:49:18.780 And that's from a place of knowing.

00:49:20.780 You know something to be true.

00:49:23.780 And that's where we can get back to.

00:49:26.780 So some of these systems like yoga, chanting, mantras, acupuncture because they're always trying to work out.

00:49:35.780 Well, how do they know where all the acupuncture points are on the body without knowing the interconnectedness of each part of the body?

00:49:42.780 Well, from my understanding, somebody must have connected into this place of knowing, knowing the deep truth.

00:49:50.780 And they've got a sort of download, you could call it, or had an epiphany and a clear insight to how the body is all interconnected.

00:49:57.780 So if you put a pin in the bottom of the foot, it's going to relieve pressure in somebody's head because the meridian goes all the way up the body.

00:50:06.780 So when you're in this place of knowing, it's just an incredibly powerful feeling.

00:50:12.780 And it's not something that you're sort of there for ages, but it is something that you can get to and get an insight about and a feeling.

00:50:21.780 And it's something beyond words and time and space and all of that.

00:50:25.780 It's just an experience you have to have.

00:50:28.780 And what I gathered from this experience was if your listeners have watched a Star Trek program called Star Trek Deep Space Nine,

00:50:40.780 in that there was a race of beings called the Changelings.

00:50:44.780 And what they would do is they would morph into human form, interact with the Star Trek crew.

00:50:51.780 They'd go back to their home planet, and then they dissolved into this sea of their people. 1.00

00:50:57.780 So it was like an ocean of people, but they still had an individuality in that ocean.

00:51:03.780 And that's what this experience was like for me.

00:51:07.780 I was my consciousness out of my body in a sea of consciousness, aware of myself and aware of all that is,

00:51:17.780 or as much of it as I could be capable of seeing at the time.

00:51:21.780 And the feeling of bliss and unconditional love, I mean, if I just think about it,

00:51:28.780 it makes me want to get a bit teary-eyed because it was such a powerful feeling.

00:51:32.780 So am I concerned about death? No, because I know that's where we return to.

00:51:39.780 I had this, I had a familiar feeling.

00:51:42.780 It wasn't the first time that I'd been there.

00:51:44.780 That was the first thing, one of the first things I picked up on.

00:51:47.780 And I also got the impression that this is where my consciousness is going to return to,

00:51:52.780 after mission planet Earth.

00:51:55.780 So it's taken a lot of fear away.

00:51:58.780 Because why do I need to be worried if I'm going to go back to this kind of unconditional place of love?

00:52:04.780 But at the same time, I'm not in any rush to get back to there.

00:52:08.780 Because I've come down here to accomplish something, as we all have.

00:52:12.780 And I would like to try and do my best to accomplish that mission.

00:52:16.780 Because if I just go back there now, I get probably returned here, reset in a new body, you could say.

00:52:25.780 And then I've got to try and do all the work of getting back to this point I'm at now.

00:52:29.780 And then even more.

00:52:31.780 So I wouldn't encourage anyone to try and get back there before the time.

00:52:35.780 But when it happens, it's a very nice feeling.

00:52:42.780 And what actually happened for me was I was, when I kind of arrived there,

00:52:48.780 I had this clear insight about how our energy body is weighed down in various different ways.

00:52:59.780 That we need to kind of keep working on clearing the energy body to affect our state of vibration and consciousness.

00:53:07.780 And opening up our path in life to greater potentials.

00:53:12.780 Because if I'm going to go out of body, I want to come back with something decent.

00:53:16.780 And I'm not just going out of body for the sake of it.

00:53:19.780 So I do think I've brought something back to help with my research.

00:53:22.780 And I'm now looking into the various different ways that it can be shared with others.

00:53:28.780 Well, sure.

00:53:29.780 And then when you go out of body, there's also other entities maybe that you can meet.

00:53:32.780 Other planes that you can see.

00:53:34.780 Lots that you can learn.

00:53:35.780 Maybe even work that you can do that's going to manifest here on a physical level.

00:53:40.780 Yeah, certainly possible.

00:53:42.780 But this was just pure consciousness beyond what I would say a sort of entity separateness.

00:53:56.780 There was just a whole level of consciousness that I was part of.

00:54:00.780 So oneness.

00:54:02.780 It's a oneness that you're experiencing.

00:54:04.780 Do you think that's even possible on Earth?

00:54:07.780 Or do you think it could be detrimental to people who are awake?

00:54:10.780 Because there's a lot of people here I definitely would not want to be one with.

00:54:13.780 I don't want to share some of their nightmares and their yucky unresolved stuff.

00:54:18.780 So what do you think about that?

00:54:21.780 It's a good question.

00:54:24.780 But the oneness I think happens when you manage to get yourself into a more open way of being and start to resolve some of the issues that you're probably referring to there.

00:54:38.780 So the people that would be more likely to connect with each other sort of say telepathically are the ones that have already done the inner work.

00:54:48.780 Because that's what we're really talking about, working on ourselves to become more empowered, stop being held back by the sort of old system that says, oh, you must have this sort of education to run your own business.

00:55:04.780 Or you must have done this studying for all your life.

00:55:07.780 Well, actually, if people have got a genuine passion for something and they research it in their own time, I think some of those people are as equally entitled to be doing things than people with solid education.

00:55:22.780 It's just in one area.

00:55:24.780 If it's something that you love doing, then definitely encourage people to find their way.

00:55:30.780 So I don't think we have to worry about connecting to people, which I call a different vibration.

00:55:37.780 We just need to try and reach as many people as possible and get into this more loving place, you could call it, or certainly a place where we put others first or where we think about others rather than just ourselves.

00:55:53.780 Well, the service to others thing, this is a big issue because at what point does service to others stop being something beautiful and becomes abusive because I personally have seen in this alternative research realm, seeing people who complain when an author charges for a book or their lecture or a website.

00:56:12.780 Yes.

00:56:13.780 They complain and say, you can't charge for the truth, but they don't understand how much goes into it and how much that person has to spend and devote their time.

00:56:23.780 But meanwhile, they'll just take and take and take from that person and not give anything back and they have no problem complaining.

00:56:30.780 Well, there is a big – well, there's certainly a group of people that think that everything should be free and that's a way to solve the world's problems.

00:56:41.780 But that isn't a practical approach.

00:56:43.780 I mean, if my clients didn't charge anything for their books, how are they going to afford to pay for their house and the research that they need to do to write?

00:56:51.780 Yeah, you're shooting the messenger, you know, choking the messenger, give me the truth.

00:56:55.780 You know, it's like, jeez.

00:56:58.780 My philosophy on that one or understanding that I've come to is that the old system, the way of being, is built on greed.

00:57:09.780 So, we're taking too many fish out of the ocean quicker than the planet can replace them.

00:57:15.780 And we're trying to get too much for our efforts.

00:57:18.780 We're going to – what's the price that people will pay, is the kind of thing.

00:57:22.780 And then you push the price up of something as much as possible.

00:57:25.780 That's greedy.

00:57:26.780 So, the new system that I'm trying to work from, from my company, is I'm entitled to something for my efforts, but don't be greedy.

00:57:38.780 And in fact, is there a way that people that are on have a lower income?

00:57:44.780 Can we offer those people a discount for conferences?

00:57:48.780 Because I quite like discounted tickets for conferences.

00:57:51.780 And so, it's an inclusive system.

00:57:54.780 And in fact, there was a coffee shop and sandwich bar in Oregon that we went to.

00:58:01.780 And I thought it was rather good.

00:58:02.780 So, it had a suggested price, but you could pay whatever you wanted for a food and coffee.

00:58:09.780 Was this in Eugene, by any chance?

00:58:11.780 Oh, couldn't – I think it was actually in Portland.

00:58:15.780 Okay.

00:58:16.780 That's where I was born.

00:58:17.780 Yeah.

00:58:18.780 And Nate, James Gilliam's producer, and I were rather impressed.

00:58:22.780 And also, they gave a lot of the food that was left over at the end of the day, I think, either to homeless people or people that were having a very hard time.

00:58:32.780 So, if you know that you're earning lots of money, if you went into that shop and you're of a good spirit, you pay more than the average price.

00:58:41.780 That's the system.

00:58:42.780 If you're a kind of average wage earner, pay the suggested price.

00:58:46.780 And if you're really having a bit of a hard time, and you generally know you are, then you can pay less than the suggested price.

00:58:53.780 So, I think that's more of the system that's realistic.

00:58:57.780 But it does count on people being honest.

00:59:00.780 Yeah.

00:59:01.780 The other thing is, my dad always told me, if everyone gives, everyone gets.

00:59:06.780 But unfortunately, not everyone gives.

00:59:09.780 No, but –

00:59:11.780 And I don't mean giving also financially, but maybe if there's some authors that you really respect or, you know, I don't know, musicians even, and the show is for free.

00:59:22.780 It's about sending them good energy, good thoughts.

00:59:24.780 You know, that's also a transaction.

00:59:26.780 Yeah.

00:59:27.780 Well, one of the first things that I learned was that if you do reach out to your favorite authors in the alternative world, you're more likely to get a reply.

00:59:36.780 So, if you've got questions about their research or you want to compliment them on how they've helped you, they want to hear about it because it helps them know that they're on the right tracks and what they're doing is valid.

00:59:49.780 So, you can give in that way.

00:59:51.780 And giving emotionally, financially, all the different ways.

00:59:58.780 Don't look at it from the kind of short-sighted perspective.

01:00:01.780 So, if you're giving a lot of love to one person and they don't understand and so you feel hurt by it, so then you sort of shut down.

01:00:11.780 But if you just keep, if you give in the right way and do that, then that love will be returned to you from other people.

01:00:20.780 There's a sort of grander cycle and it's connected to karma, I would say.

01:00:26.780 But it is important to do things from a practical perspective.

01:00:33.780 And as you become more aware, it does become easier to judge who are the people that we want to surround ourselves with that are good impacts on our life.

01:00:43.780 Because if we surround ourselves with the right people, with the right attitudes, it does make life a lot easier and a lot more fun.

01:00:51.780 So, we really need to work out who's good for us and who's having a bit of a sort of detrimental effect or perhaps making us feel down.

01:01:00.780 That's right.

01:01:01.780 And any parasites that come along, it's about being good about recognizing it, ignoring it and letting it go.

01:01:07.780 And perhaps trying to help them in a way that you can.

01:01:13.780 I mean, I don't close the door on anyone.

01:01:16.780 And you, of course, as you work in these areas, it's not good enough just to get yourself into a place where you're happy.

01:01:26.780 You start to see how the world works in a more positive light because I believe it is a benevolent universe and everything's there for us once we realize.

01:01:38.780 So, that would be my advice.

01:01:41.780 So, as we end, can you share some of your experiences in the King's Chamber?

01:01:47.780 Yes, I'd be happy to.

01:01:50.780 So, I should say quickly that my kind of approach to things is take myself to these ancient sites and try and see what I can actually experience at them.

01:02:02.780 I'm looking into the experiential side because there's so many different theories about the Great Pyramid.

01:02:10.780 And it's like, well, what actually happens when we go inside the Great Pyramid?

01:02:16.780 So, I've been in there about a dozen times now.

01:02:19.780 And I'm lucky enough to have got friendly with Patricia and Yusuf Awan that live just near the Sphinx in Cairo.

01:02:28.780 And that's who I'm going to be hosting some tours with next year.

01:02:31.780 And so, when I was inside the King's Chamber, the first thing that Yusuf said to me was the sarcophagus, which it's known as the granite box.

01:02:42.780 He said, don't call it a sarcophagus.

01:02:45.780 Call it a resonance box.

01:02:46.780 This is a device that's connected with sound.

01:02:50.780 I was like, oh.

01:02:52.780 And I'd learned this technique when I was in one of my yoga classes because what I'm actually, a lot of my research is around combining the ancient wisdom that survived in texts in India and the East.

01:03:07.780 And what can I learn from those understandings that actually I can use when I'm at sacred sites in Egypt and other places.

01:03:16.780 And so, I've learned this technique of toning because there's a very particular technique to resonating the body.

01:03:24.780 If you like to om, it's really about getting the whole body vibrating.

01:03:29.780 It's not just about creating a sound in your throat.

01:03:32.780 That's my understanding.

01:03:34.780 And I learned this technique where if I was toning the whole of my, sort of along the length of my spine up into my head and the top of my mouth had started to vibrate when I was creating this sound in my stomach or base chakra area.

01:03:53.780 And when it happened in the yoga class, I thought, wow, that's an interesting feeling.

01:03:58.780 I wonder what that means.

01:03:59.780 And I went up and asked the yoga teacher and she didn't really know much about it.

01:04:04.780 So, when I found myself in this resonance box in the king's chamber, I thought back to that experience that I'd had in the yoga class and wondered what happens if I combine resonating my whole body inside this box inside the king's chamber.

01:04:21.780 And so, I recreated the sound and what happened was the whole of the king's chamber started to vibrate in sympathy with the sound I was making.

01:04:33.780 And so, we've just had some amazing experiences in there.

01:04:40.780 The main thing to say is you enter the Great Pyramid in one state of consciousness and if you're going to use sound or meditate in there, you leave feeling completely different.

01:04:52.780 And Yusuf and I, the first time we went in this year, when we came out, we felt like we could actually float off of the ground because the sound had cleansed our bodies.

01:05:02.780 Sounds like a giant tuning fork.

01:05:05.780 Yes.

01:05:06.780 Well, if your listeners have ever gone to a gong bath or used sound bowls, the sound that's kicked off of those is also very capable of cleansing the body.

01:05:20.780 Oh, it's incredible.

01:05:21.780 It's one of my favorite things, actually.

01:05:23.780 So, this is something that everybody's, you can tone at home and see how you feel.

01:05:29.780 I'd certainly suggest toning outside in the garden or nature as my favorite spot.

01:05:33.780 But you can find somebody that does a gong bath and be surrounded by these huge gongs that they beat and it's called sound healing.

01:05:42.780 So, these are techniques that are known about.

01:05:45.780 And from my experiences inside the Great Pyramid, it's basically a huge sound healing chamber.

01:05:53.780 It's certainly one part of its function that allows you to connect with a deeper part of yourself.

01:06:01.780 And should that really surprise us, the last ancient wonder of the world, something that calls millions of people to it.

01:06:10.780 I mean, people I put on the tours, they are called to Egypt.

01:06:14.780 I could feel it and hear it for a lot of years.

01:06:17.780 I knew that I was going to Egypt and it's certainly helping me to get more in touch with myself.

01:06:23.780 So, that's my kind of take on it.

01:06:26.780 And you can experiment with sound.

01:06:28.780 You can feel the sound waves in the king's chamber, work out different techniques that affect your level of awareness.

01:06:37.780 And then you can take those techniques to other sites, temples.

01:06:41.780 And in fact, it's got to the point now where I've started to see ancient sites around the world are tuned in with a sound connection.

01:06:52.780 I've found this amazing place in Peru when I went there with Brian Forster, who Henrik's interviewed.

01:06:57.780 There's a site called Moray that your listeners can look up on Google Images.

01:07:03.780 I'd suggest looking for the aerial photographs, these huge concentric circles.

01:07:08.780 And I've even found a dolmen structure that's near in the Stonehenge Avebury landscape that's got a head-shaped hole that you can put your whole head in.

01:07:23.780 And it's almost like a megalithic helmet.

01:07:26.780 And that was one of my recent discoveries.

01:07:28.780 And so, when I've toned inside there, I've had a very strange experience where I actually saw like an energy coming out of my mouth because I had this crystalline sandstone resonating around my head is the only conclusion I can come to how I saw something like that.

01:07:46.780 But these are deep, profound experiences, and you connect to something greater than you, and it's very empowering.

01:07:53.780 It's original rock and roll, huh?

01:07:55.780 Oh, yeah.

01:07:56.780 And I think Yusuf put it the best way because we were watching people coming in and out of the King's Chamber, because it's basically an empty room with a box in it.

01:08:08.780 So, we were watching these people coming in and out, and he said, this room, it can be nothing.

01:08:15.780 If you've not got your state of awareness and consciousness into a place where you're getting a thing from it, it doesn't give you the hit or epiphanies.

01:08:26.780 But if you are working on yourself and you go in there, it could be everything because you could be connected into this place of knowing and all that is.

01:08:36.780 And I think that's my best explanation for what it means to me.

01:08:41.780 Well, let's hear this audio clip.

01:08:43.780 What do you say?

01:08:44.780 Yes, I certainly recommend your listeners to have it on big speakers if they have it, have them with the bass turned up because there's a feedback or kind of reverb effect in the King's Chamber.

01:09:01.780 And that's what really, when you're inside, it affects you on a very tangible level.

01:09:06.780 So, you don't just want it on small speakers for the best effect.

01:09:10.780 Here it is.

01:09:11.780 Fill in it.

01:09:14.780 F tasty наконец.

01:09:16.780 The U gwen! 0.96

01:09:27.780 Oh, thank you, Gary.

01:09:43.620 Let me pick your brain today.

01:09:45.200 I know it's much easier just asking the questions instead of giving the answers.

01:09:50.320 It's my pleasure.

01:09:51.520 Well, I hope I gave your listeners something to think about.

01:09:55.380 I think you did.

01:09:56.200 Did you want to let us know about your websites or any events that you'd like to promote or books, anything?

01:10:02.180 Well, as the PR man, I really should say something.

01:10:05.200 I've always been failing in my duties.

01:10:09.000 But I'm working on lots of conference promotions in the UK and US.

01:10:14.860 You've been good enough to support the conference on the front page of your website that's in London,

01:10:21.920 the Conference for Consciousness and Human Evolution.

01:10:24.460 And that's at the end of August.

01:10:27.420 And the organizer is a fantastic guy and he's doing a lot of good.

01:10:31.960 So I'd certainly recommend your listeners checking that one out.

01:10:35.380 I've got lots of tours.

01:10:36.660 I'm going to be co-hosting with many of my various clients coming up.

01:10:43.920 So if listeners would like to look at my new website, which is just being constructed,

01:10:50.100 that's infinite-connections.co.uk.

01:10:54.120 And they can already sign up to my mailing list on there or join my Facebook group,

01:11:00.620 Infinite Connections PR for all the latest interviews, magazine tours, conference promotions.

01:11:07.400 I think I'm working on about 20 conferences, 20 tours around the world at the moment.

01:11:12.060 So it's quite busy.

01:11:14.160 It's good stuff.

01:11:15.380 Well, excellent.

01:11:16.060 So thank you, Gary.

01:11:17.920 And to all you listening, thanks for spending your time with us.

01:11:21.440 It was my pleasure.

01:11:23.100 Everyone, be sure to take a moment every day to remember who you really are

01:11:26.380 and why you really came to this construct,

01:11:28.300 because there's more to life than what meets the eye.

01:11:30.820 We'll leave you today with a song Gary chose called Miracle by Ocean Lab.

01:11:34.840 Enjoy your day, afternoon, or evening.

01:11:36.560 Don't they know that there's something in the morning?

01:12:06.540 There's something going on

01:12:08.860 What they're harming with their indecision

01:12:14.860 And who will be left standing when I'm gone

01:12:22.680 There'll be nothing left but a vision

01:12:28.620 It's too easy to turn a blind eye to the light

01:12:37.920 It's too easy to bow your head and pray

01:12:43.100 But there are some times

01:12:47.980 When you should try to find your voice

01:12:51.980 And this is one voice that you must find today

01:12:57.260 Are you hoping for a miracle

01:13:04.620 As the ice caps melt away

01:13:11.260 No use hoping for a miracle

01:13:18.620 There's a price we'll have to pay

01:13:25.260 But there'll be no way

01:13:42.920 Don't they know that there's something they can do

01:14:00.000 To be sure of tomorrow's tomorrow

01:14:05.940 And too late is too late for me and you

01:14:14.060 No more time left for you to borrow

01:14:19.840 And it's too easy to turn a blind eye to the light

01:14:29.220 It's too easy to bow your head and pray

01:14:34.380 But there are some times when you should try to find your voice

01:14:43.300 And this is one voice that you must find today

01:14:48.500 Are you hoping for a miracle?

01:14:55.880 Am I still wearing your plans?

01:15:03.300 No use hoping for a miracle

01:15:09.840 I am balanced in your hands

01:15:16.680 No use hoping for a miracle?

01:15:17.680 No use hoping for a miracle

01:15:18.680 I am balanced in your hands

01:15:21.600 And this is one voice that you must find today

01:15:25.600 And it's too easy to turn a blind eye to the light

01:15:44.520 And it's too easy to turn a blind eye to the light

01:15:52.440 It's too easy to turn a blind eye to the light

01:15:53.440 It's too easy to bow your head and pray

01:15:59.440 But there are some times when you should try to find your voice

01:16:06.360 And this is one voice that you must find today

01:16:11.360 Are you hoping for a miracle?

01:16:23.280 As the ice caps melt away?

01:16:24.280 The ice caps melt away

01:16:25.280 No use hoping for a miracle

01:16:26.280 There's a price we'll have to pay

01:16:39.280 There's a price we'll have to pay

01:16:42.660 Oh...

01:16:44.280 Oh...

01:16:46.280 Oh...

01:16:49.280 Oh...

01:16:51.280 Oh...

01:16:52.280 Oh...

01:16:54.280 Oh...

01:16:57.280 Oh...

01:17:02.280 Oh...

01:17:04.280 Oh...

01:17:07.280 Are you hoping for a miracle?

01:17:18.360 Am I still there in your plans?

01:17:24.480 No use hoping for a miracle

01:17:28.960 I am balanced in your hands

01:17:36.340 No use hoping for a miracle

01:18:06.340 I am balanced in your hands

01:18:08.340 No use hoping for a miracle

01:18:10.340 I am balanced in your hands

01:18:12.340 No use hoping for a miracle

01:18:14.340 I am balanced in your hands

01:18:16.340 No use hoping for a miracle

01:18:18.340 I am balanced in your hands

Radio 3Fourteen - July 11, 2012

Spiritual Re-Connection _ Consciousness Technologies

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