Radio 3Fourteen - Synchronicity_ UFOs_ Owls _ Kubrick_ Fowler and The Watchers

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:00.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:29.980 I do it partially just because I want it to be easy to navigate and I don't want people to be confused or intimidated by – because at this point, I seem to have a ton of stuff up there.

00:01:46.760 So I just want to make it easy for folks to dive into.

00:01:50.060 Well, since you're from Detroit, what do you think of it going from the capital of capitalism to the ghost town it is today?

00:01:57.140 Well, I haven't lived in Detroit since I was like 18 years old.

00:02:00.500 So – but I was – and I never actually lived in Detroit proper.

00:02:03.300 I lived in the suburbs.

00:02:04.080 It's just – and yeah, Detroit – I feel very sad for Detroit.

00:02:11.060 Detroit is a hollow shell of what it once was.

00:02:15.800 It's a sad, haunted place.

00:02:20.820 Yeah, I can't believe Stalin wanted to copy Detroit on the banks of the Volga a long time ago.

00:02:26.680 Oh, well, well, he got his wish.

00:02:28.220 I guess we copied Stalin in a way because it's just completely crumbled.

00:02:31.280 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:32.560 Good point.

00:02:33.260 So before we delve into synchronicities, aliens, elves, and symbolism, tell us what sparked your desire to create the Hidden Experience website.

00:02:42.360 Well, it's a blog technically, not a website.

00:02:45.380 But the – I want to get this right.

00:02:50.120 Yeah, so this would be 2009.

00:02:52.160 I was at a UFO conference.

00:02:54.700 Now, my own sort of evolution in all this has happened quite recently.

00:03:02.000 I'm 50 years old right now, so turn the clock back to 2009, what I would have been about 46 or so.

00:03:10.260 And I was not at peace with this stuff going on in my life.

00:03:15.740 I was not comfortable with it.

00:03:17.900 I didn't believe it.

00:03:18.760 I didn't trust it.

00:03:20.680 I didn't – I didn't – I was working very hard to deny it.

00:03:26.440 But at the same time, I was going to UFO conferences and studying it sort of compulsively.

00:03:32.000 And there's a woman – you should – this is – she would be a great person for you to interview. 0.77

00:03:36.700 Her name is Miriam Delicato.

00:03:38.240 Yeah, I know who she is. 0.94

00:03:39.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:40.200 So I – for some reason, I took her aside and I said, listen, I would love to sit down and talk with you.

00:03:46.160 And we – this was at a tacky casino in Laughlin, Nevada too.

00:03:50.580 It was just as un – you know, this is like an anti-spiritual environment.

00:03:56.860 Well, they're all pretty tacky there in Vegas, so.

00:03:59.620 Yeah, that's – it was – this is as bad as it gets, yeah.

00:04:01.960 So we sat and talked for a bit and I explained kind of what was – been going on in my life and how hard it was.

00:04:10.600 And I basically asked her for some advice and she thought for a moment and she said, you need to talk about this.

00:04:18.160 You need to share this stuff.

00:04:20.400 And driving home from the conference, I recognized that she was right.

00:04:29.280 I did need to talk about this.

00:04:30.720 Well, not so much.

00:04:31.460 I took her very seriously when she said that.

00:04:33.740 Let me put it that way.

00:04:34.960 And it was a long drive.

00:04:36.380 I live in Idaho and then to get from Nevada to Idaho is a pretty long stretch.

00:04:43.280 So I had a lot of time to think.

00:04:44.440 And then when I did get home – and I'm not – this would have been in March, early March of 2009.

00:04:50.580 I'm not – I don't think I'm exaggerating where I think I – I don't even think I took my coat off.

00:04:55.320 I'm quite certain I did take my coat off.

00:04:57.220 But I think I went right to the computer and just started the website, you know, there and then.

00:05:03.200 And at the time, I was – you know, I had another small little website where I had some illustration stuff posted.

00:05:12.620 So I knew exactly what I was going to – you know, whatever, how to go about starting it.

00:05:16.420 So, yeah, within minutes of walking in the door, it felt like the thing was up and online.

00:05:21.980 Well, I like the following quote on your blog.

00:05:24.400 The area of studying coincidences, synchronicity, connections, esoterica, symbolism is turned into the term synchromysticism or, as you call it, synchro-weirdness, which I like better.

00:05:52.640 These are areas you've been documenting.

00:05:54.740 So in your view, what is synchronicity?

00:05:58.400 Well, I mean, there's a definition that Jung gave and it would be the – a meaningful coincidence.

00:06:09.000 Let's just say he had a – you know, he basically said – it had a longer definition.

00:06:12.220 But a coincidence that has profound meaning to the observer would be my definition.

00:06:19.460 Now, synchronicities are a little bit like dreams in a way where oftentimes, like, the person experiencing the synchronicity can't truly share or articulate the power of the synchronistic event.

00:06:34.800 And not unlike a dream, you know, often it's very easy to have a dream and have it feel, oh, you know, powerful and strong in your own psyche.

00:06:44.740 But then, you know, when you try to describe that dream to someone else, you can just watch their eyes glaze over.

00:06:49.460 Yeah, Michael Taubach suggested that the holographic model basically provided a means for understanding these experiences.

00:06:56.640 So if we can access the holographic, we can tap into senses that seem beyond our ability.

00:07:01.400 And synchronicities is part of that.

00:07:02.880 And telepathy, ESP, paranormal, I'd agree with that.

00:07:08.160 Sure, yeah.

00:07:08.840 There's something going on that we are somehow incapable of understanding in its totality.

00:07:13.860 All we can see are these little refractions and little glints of something more profound that's taking place, you know, beyond our ability to comprehend using, you know, normal consciousness.

00:07:28.320 It seems like, you know, there's something greater behind the curtain that's, you know, in essence interacting with us, although it's interacting in ways that often seem, you know, very strange.

00:07:41.720 Are your synchronicities pushing you into a specific direction?

00:07:47.160 Are you getting to look at something in particular again and again?

00:07:51.400 You know, actually most, the, oh, I had a conversation with Alan Green that Henrik interviewed at one point about his book.

00:08:03.760 He put out a book called The Sync Book.

00:08:05.160 And, you know, he talked about the synchronicities being a compass, you know, when you're out in the open water.

00:08:13.080 You know, if you're out in the open water and the sun's not up or if it's cloudy, there's no way to understand, you know, which direction you're traveling.

00:08:19.960 You have to depend on that compass.

00:08:21.180 I feel like synchronicities can be used as a compass to, you know, each fork in the path.

00:08:30.340 You can use that synchronicity to make a decision, to make a choice on how you're going to proceed.

00:08:36.020 And I found that the more I recognize and sort of embrace these synchronicities, the more, you know, the stronger the pull gets, the more powerful the following synchronicity gets.

00:08:52.080 There's a higher resonance to the whole thing.

00:08:53.820 And I've been, I made kind of a, oh, just a declaration in a way to post all my synchronicities online.

00:09:02.200 Some of them might be completely benign and not mean anything at all, but I've been doing them anyway.

00:09:06.680 But, and I also think that actually sharing them publicly gives them a different resonance, gives them a stronger power than they might have had if I just, you know, kept them locked in my own head.

00:09:19.980 Or if I had only, you know, scribbled them down in a diary and then, you know, never shared that diary with anyone.

00:09:26.080 Maybe it's little landmarks we planned before we got here.

00:09:28.400 This and this will happen and this will trigger my memory for this and this.

00:09:32.940 Perhaps, yeah.

00:09:34.260 Or it's, you know, or we are outwardly influencing the universe from a subconscious way, you know, that, you know, I know that there's an author, his name is Dr. Kirby Surprise.

00:09:47.160 And he puts forth an argument, which is interesting, I don't know if it's true or not, that the observer is actually creating the synchronistic experience the same way that in a laboratory, you know, people will do a coin toss experiment and it will not be random.

00:10:07.340 It should be random by all, you know, it should be perfectly random, but it's not.

00:10:11.420 They have some, for some reason there is the observer has the ability to influence reality itself and change the outcome of the coin toss in a way that's easily documented.

00:10:24.860 Yeah, I'd agree with that.

00:10:25.540 I also think that synchronicity tends to go away if you stop focusing on it.

00:10:29.580 You have to be paying attention and looking forward to really see it as well.

00:10:33.600 Yes, you certainly have to have your eyes open.

00:10:35.180 Exactly.

00:10:35.420 Well, one of the areas you've been documenting is the connection between the UFO phenomena and synchronicities.

00:10:41.140 Can you talk about this?

00:10:44.300 I wrote an essay a while back that got put, and this is actually interesting, it got put in Alan Green's second book called Sync Book Two.

00:10:54.780 And the title of the essay is Synchronicity and the UFO Abductee.

00:10:58.580 And I had been little by little coming to terms with my own experiences and I found that I was capable of denying, you know, like I had what would be fairly profound experiences that I was, you know, actively aggressively denying.

00:11:18.560 That I was, you know, pushing out of my mind, I was not allowing them to seem real to me.

00:11:27.700 And on some level I recognized that, you know, something very real was going on.

00:11:34.320 But it wasn't the actual events, it wasn't the actual memories of the odd experiences that were influencing the way I was framing it.

00:11:42.540 It was actually the follow-up synchronicities that were having the larger impact on me, where I was having very profound coincidental experiences.

00:11:52.860 And those were impossible to ignore.

00:11:56.140 I figured out a way to ignore, you know, some events in my youth and some events fairly recently, but I could not ignore the synchronicities.

00:12:05.740 So it was less the experience, you know, perhaps I've got a missing time and seeing UFOs, but it was more the experience of the synchronicity that forced me to face the reality of all this.

00:12:24.580 Now, I have a friend and in some sort of like, you know, state of pontification, you know, I said, you know,

00:12:31.680 I think that UFO abductees have more synchronicities than the average person.

00:12:36.300 And she kind of rolled her eyes and said, anyone on a spiritual path will have lots of synchronicities.

00:12:42.540 And I realized she was right.

00:12:44.040 And, you know, it forced me to reevaluate how I frame all this stuff.

00:12:48.980 Now, what it actually did is it made me frame the UFO abduction experience as a spiritual path,

00:12:57.680 which actually I feel is a good analogy.

00:13:02.200 I feel it works.

00:13:02.920 I feel you can play with that.

00:13:06.200 And then at the same time, as I've been working on this online blog,

00:13:10.680 I've been talking to a lot of people who had the firsthand abduction experience, the firsthand contact experience.

00:13:17.280 And that's one of the questions I ask them.

00:13:19.680 It's like, do you experience lots of synchronicities?

00:13:21.820 And, you know, the answer is pretty much universally, like they say, like, you know, I've experienced so many synchronicities.

00:13:30.740 I struggle to keep my sanity.

00:13:34.480 Well, any direct experiences you'd like to mention?

00:13:36.880 Maybe what happened to you in Utah?

00:13:39.800 Just recently?

00:13:40.800 Yeah.

00:13:41.640 Well, that's not so I don't know if that's a synchronicity.

00:13:45.820 But I can certainly talk about that.

00:13:47.660 Yeah.

00:13:47.840 So this is what's the date today?

00:13:50.360 Today's like March 29th.

00:13:52.980 March 29th.

00:13:53.780 So this event took place on Sunday, March 10th.

00:13:57.120 So that's 19 days ago.

00:13:58.480 So this is very recent.

00:14:01.060 And I was at a UFO conference, which takes place annually in Phoenix.

00:14:07.980 And on the drive home, I was visiting some friends in Flagstaff.

00:14:14.740 So I left Flagstaff in the afternoon and was driving north on Highway 89.

00:14:21.160 And then there's a to get over to the main interstate, which takes is a corridor that runs the entire length of Utah.

00:14:27.600 I had to get on this little highway, Highway 20, which is very small.

00:14:30.460 I've driven it before.

00:14:31.100 It's very pretty.

00:14:32.480 And and I knew I was the sun was going to go down and I was tired.

00:14:36.220 I didn't want to drive when it was dark.

00:14:37.980 So I do what I do all the time, which is I just pull off to the side of the road.

00:14:42.500 You know, the West is is wonderful for that.

00:14:45.480 And and I just slept out under the stars.

00:14:49.300 It was fairly early when I laid my sleeping bag down.

00:14:52.520 It must have been around nine o'clock or so.

00:14:56.020 I didn't have a watch with me, so I don't really know what time it was exactly.

00:15:00.120 But at one point during the night I woke up, it was a gorgeous, beautiful, calm night.

00:15:07.020 The stars were spectacular.

00:15:09.880 And and if you know, you can imagine a big western valley and then fairly close to where I was lying, there was a set of, you know, rolling hills that were kind of looming above me.

00:15:22.100 And I looked up and there was a round structure and I and I just looked at it and I completely thought like, oh, this is a somebody.

00:15:30.580 This is a building, a big round building.

00:15:32.100 I didn't notice it before.

00:15:33.640 And I even in the moment I went through the sort of the mental thought process of thinking like, wow, if this was a if this was a flying saucer, if this was like an unknown UFO, I would sense it.

00:15:46.960 I would feel it, you know, like I would feel something odd.

00:15:49.640 So I was very calm, you know, that kind of peaceful sensation when you just ease out of sleep.

00:15:54.140 And I just looked up at it.

00:15:55.500 I said, do I feel anything unusual?

00:15:57.100 Do I feel anything at all unsettling?

00:15:59.600 And I didn't.

00:16:00.180 I felt completely at peace and completely calm.

00:16:04.000 I woke up a couple more times throughout the night and the structure was still there.

00:16:08.220 And I there was also another point when I woke up and there was a light very close to me on the ground.

00:16:14.060 Now, to describe where I was lying, there was some bushes nearby where the car was parked.

00:16:18.260 And and so I didn't have a big, long field of view down low, but I could definitely sense that there was a light, you know, just on the opposite side of some set of bushes that didn't seem necessarily bright.

00:16:30.360 It wasn't like a car headlight or anything like that.

00:16:32.160 So I figured someone else must have just pulled in to do the same thing that I was doing, which was just sleeping on the side of the road.

00:16:38.080 And and and I just laid my head back down and went back to sleep.

00:16:42.560 I woke up around must have been around 4 a.m.

00:16:45.980 I was completely content and refreshed and and felt, you know, like this was a good time to start driving.

00:16:51.940 But, you know, before there was any traffic, so I just hopped in the car and tossed everything in the back and and started driving again.

00:17:00.860 When I got home, which would have been later that same day, I did something that is is unusual that surprised me.

00:17:07.600 I got on Google Earth because I figured I could look up and see what this big round building was.

00:17:13.400 So I just checked Google Earth and and I'm very skilled with maps.

00:17:18.360 I've done a lot of map work.

00:17:20.520 I travel a bunch in the in the mountains around here out west.

00:17:24.380 So I feel very confident with my map skills.

00:17:27.580 And I knew exactly where that big round structure should have been.

00:17:30.900 But there was nothing there.

00:17:32.240 There was just a forest there.

00:17:34.980 On one level, the the map was was this 2013 right now.

00:17:40.620 When the map was made in the summer of 2011, so in the last year and a half, perhaps someone could have built a building there.

00:17:47.940 But as events and odd little things started popping up, I suspect that that's not the case.

00:17:55.320 Now, you posted some images also to go along with this blog entry.

00:17:58.540 So where did those images come from?

00:18:00.880 The images are of one of them is just a recreation of the the hillside with the what I visually remember seeing, which is pretty accurate, as I recall.

00:18:10.440 Of the round structure, you know, so it was just it would look like and it looks like an illuminated squatty cylinder that has a here.

00:18:19.960 I'm looking at it right now.

00:18:21.460 Just scroll to that.

00:18:22.360 Yes.

00:18:22.560 So it looks like a slow squatty cylinder with a ring of lights around it in among the trees at a ridgeline.

00:18:29.900 And I and I and I it's I think it's very helpful for me to go through the process of of drawing it.

00:18:36.800 And I did this.

00:18:37.500 That was the next day.

00:18:38.320 So that was less than 24 hours later at when I actually drew that.

00:18:41.760 I used to colored it in with using Photoshop.

00:18:46.960 But and then I grabbed some other images just of maps and exactly where, you know, I was sleeping and stuff like that just to give it an idea.

00:18:53.840 I think I even put that.

00:18:54.540 Yeah, I did put the latitude and longitude of the of where I was sleeping as well as the peak where that structure was.

00:19:00.760 Now, I posted that the following day, the that same day that I posted it, I guess I posted that around lunchtime or something.

00:19:11.940 And then the that same day.

00:19:16.080 Now, this is where it gets strange.

00:19:17.600 And I would not call this a synchronicity.

00:19:18.980 I would call this some sort of psychic knowing.

00:19:21.640 I I felt in my head.

00:19:26.260 And this is not it didn't come like in a sentence.

00:19:29.060 It wasn't like some some words explained anything.

00:19:31.680 I just got this kind of this knowing of that.

00:19:36.220 If I sat down on a computer and played with the map program, I would be able to create a straight line connecting three separate events.

00:19:44.260 So I just did exactly that.

00:19:46.280 I sat down and lined up three events.

00:19:52.680 One was the event that took place 19 days ago on March 10th.

00:19:57.900 The other one took place in 2010.

00:20:04.720 And that would be the easternmost dot on the map.

00:20:08.400 And then what happened was this is this is I'm trying to describe something visually by using words.

00:20:13.600 So just so.

00:20:15.260 If if you have two separate points on a map, right?

00:20:19.520 And you pull a string really close between them, right?

00:20:22.380 And you make it perfectly tight.

00:20:23.760 I knew this gets strange.

00:20:28.420 I knew that the third event would would line up on that that string that the map was that string ended up to be, I don't know, you know, well over 200 miles long.

00:20:37.840 And when I zoomed in on that line using Google Maps, the there was an event that took place in 2011 that that lined up like to the millimeter.

00:20:55.160 Three experiences in the same area, kind of dot, dot, dot, dot.

00:20:59.720 I saw the image.

00:21:01.220 But that's not quite the same area.

00:21:03.480 That line is like 230 miles long.

00:21:05.520 So it's not quite, you know, it's not like they all happened in a, you know, a tiny area.

00:21:08.820 That's a big sprawling of the of the of the southern Utah.

00:21:14.200 So in each one of those events, you know, taken individually are are equally as profound or is probably more profound than what happened the other night on that Sunday night sleeping on the side of the road 19 days ago.

00:21:29.520 So what kind of things did you have before or surrounding the event?

00:21:34.500 Well, so one thing that happened when I got home is I got a phone call from someone.

00:21:39.220 She's also a blogger and she's had her own direct experience.

00:21:43.920 She's had gobs of experience.

00:21:45.560 She's actually a very interesting person.

00:21:47.580 And her pen name is Lucretia Hart.

00:21:50.100 And she she called me out of the blue, which is something I guess she's done that before, but but not often.

00:21:57.080 And she just kind of called and we talked for a while and she wanted to share something.

00:22:00.880 And and, you know, it wasn't necessarily, you know, it was it was it was interesting.

00:22:06.300 We had a good conversation.

00:22:07.600 But when I posted the thing the next day, she got back to me right away.

00:22:11.340 And she said that she had seen the same light on a hilltop when after she saw my illustration, she said she had seen that same light on a hilltop.

00:22:21.400 And it was it was almost the same experience where she was in her house.

00:22:27.720 She was living in Ohio at the time.

00:22:29.340 She was looking up at a hillside.

00:22:30.760 She said, huh, someone built a house up there.

00:22:32.360 Isn't that interesting?

00:22:33.460 And then, you know, she would do some errands in the house and she would go back to the window and look up there and say, oh, that house.

00:22:38.720 Oh, that's interesting.

00:22:39.340 I've never noticed that house before.

00:22:40.640 And she did it two or three times, just like I did it that night.

00:22:43.540 And then the next morning she woke up and there was nothing there. 0.96

00:22:46.900 And that was, you know, she kind of had that like, you know, oh, shit moment where she was like, oh, you know, like, I think I know what that means.

00:22:52.420 Um, the, uh, and so she called and then another woman contacted me who very rarely contacts me, uh, who's also had her own set of experiences the same day. 0.90

00:23:06.900 Um, we also have sort of a benign conversation and then later she gets back to me and she said, oh, I saw that same thing on a hillside.

00:23:16.060 Uh, and then she, you know, she basically told almost the same story that, that, uh, you know, the other woman had shared.

00:23:21.680 So what do you think it is?

00:23:23.180 Do you think it's government crafts?

00:23:24.520 Do you think it's true alien crafts?

00:23:26.480 What's your feeling?

00:23:27.920 Well, my thing, my thought is, is if it's, I don't think it's a government craft because, um, because of the weird synchronicities and the psychic event that followed in the, in the, the making the map really, uh, kind of waked me out.

00:23:42.180 I gotta say, I mean, it was so, I mean, you're sitting here, I'm sitting all alone at my house.

00:23:47.060 I'm in front of the computer.

00:23:47.880 I zoom in on this thing and I realized like, damn, this is like, this is freakishly exact in a way that defies any logic.

00:23:57.300 So, uh, so, you know, I don't think the government could land their, you know, high tech military craft on a hillside and then, you know, give me a psychic message and make sure that all these things lined up that took, you know, four years to, to unravel. 0.91

00:24:14.060 So, so, so I don't know, you know, this is going to sound a little self, I don't want to say self-conscious or, you know, self-aggrandizing or anything like that.

00:24:24.560 But it's, my sense is that the map was, was, was, uh, introduced to me specifically so I could play detective and, and kind of, and kind of use it as a clue and try to solve something.

00:24:43.500 Uh, it, and I, and it, and it feels like, well, I don't know what its intended purpose was, but the result of it was, uh, the next, very next blog post is something I had actually never, uh, posted as clearly before.

00:25:00.740 I had certainly hinted to it and alluded to it and danced around the subject, uh, but I basically said that, you know, whatever's going on, I am involved.

00:25:10.760 Uh, I can no longer deny it and that I am involved with this, with this, you know, giant challenging phenomena.

00:25:19.560 Um, I sort of danced around the word abductee.

00:25:23.300 I just don't like that term.

00:25:24.340 I just doesn't feel honest to use that term.

00:25:26.140 Um, I think what I said is, um, uh, I feel that I am intertwined with the UFO reality.

00:25:35.660 So in your view, what the hell is the alien abduction phenomena?

00:25:41.300 Well, I mean, there's a, I mean, the alien, alien abduction is a simple, I mean, it's a catch term that gets used, you know, by, I use it all the time too.

00:25:48.260 I mean, I, I must take it.

00:25:49.280 Or alien encounter.

00:25:50.700 I understand abduction and encounter can be different things.

00:25:52.960 Or you could have a psychic experience with them, not necessarily a physical one, but what do you think is going on there?

00:25:59.340 You know, I have no idea.

00:26:01.300 I mean, I literally, I can, I can, I'm, I can wrestle with it from every different angle.

00:26:07.120 I feel like I can speculate it about it, you know, backwards, forwards, you know, and, and, and, and so I don't have any concrete answer.

00:26:15.040 I do feel that, um, oh, it's, my sense is that there's like, um, it's a, it's an awakening process for the individuals experiencing it.

00:26:29.080 Um, you know, they are being confronted, and I'll include myself in this, uh, with something that shatters their, their definition of, of normal reality.

00:26:40.460 Um, and, and, and then secondhand, the greater public large, excuse me, the greater public at large can then, um, you know, this information is out there.

00:26:54.940 It's in the pop culture.

00:26:56.100 And so, and I, and I think it's seeping out there more and more and more specifically through the internet.

00:27:01.860 Uh, the greater public at large is, is being affected.

00:27:07.640 You know, the, the, the ripples in the pond are created by the people having the firsthand experience.

00:27:12.280 Those ripples are somehow affecting not just the individual, but the collective as a whole.

00:27:16.860 Uh, my, my hope is that this wake-up call, this, this, uh, enlightenment process, that's kind of a lofty term.

00:27:25.740 Maybe I should avoid something so fraught with kind of a religious overtone.

00:27:28.860 Um, but, uh, uh, that this process is, um, I mean, I, I just, I just feel like it's, something is needed right now in humanity.

00:27:40.140 Uh, whether this is playing a big role, a small role, I don't know.

00:27:43.460 But, um, but I think that the awakening of individuals and hopefully the collective, you know, has a beneficial effect on, on humanity as a whole.

00:27:53.640 So, you mean aliens could be assisting in that?

00:27:56.440 Um, having these experiences?

00:28:01.620 Oh, yeah, they certainly, well, they're certainly, they're certainly, uh, you know, I've talked to a lot of people who have this experience.

00:28:07.940 You know, they'll say, like, oh, you know, I, I, you know, had this missing time.

00:28:12.800 I saw these UFOs.

00:28:13.900 I've seen these owls.

00:28:14.960 I've had these synchronicities.

00:28:15.900 Um, and then somewhere along the lines they'll say, um, and my definition of reality has changed.

00:28:22.220 Now I'm meditating.

00:28:23.340 Now I'm, uh, you know, reading these different books.

00:28:26.040 Now my interests have turned, you know, like I'm a vegetarian.

00:28:29.100 I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who have had these experiences and then, you know, follow up by saying, like, oh, now I'm a vegetarian.

00:28:35.700 Uh, so, uh, whatever's going on in that long-winded explanation, uh, like, uh, I don't think that it was, uh, you know, uh, a military craft parked on a hill that, that, like, created all the follow-up synchronicities.

00:28:49.940 You know, something I notice is basically two camps of people that have been, that have had alien encounters or have been abducted.

00:28:57.440 There's one that's just terrified and freaked out.

00:28:59.960 And then there's these other people that are like, it's okay.

00:29:02.940 It's not so bad.

00:29:04.060 And then they start getting almost a little arrogant.

00:29:06.380 Like, I am the chosen one.

00:29:08.200 I see now.

00:29:09.040 I understand.

00:29:10.160 Have you encountered that?

00:29:11.840 Oh, God, God.

00:29:12.740 Um, yeah.

00:29:13.040 Like, it's, it's can be, yes, I've encountered exactly that.

00:29:15.960 And, uh, you know, where it's interesting is to, I, uh, uh, at this UFO conference that I go to sometimes, uh, you know, there'll be a experience or support group.

00:29:25.680 And it's just, you can just picture an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.

00:29:28.040 Everyone's sitting in a circle and, and, uh, talking about their, their experiences.

00:29:32.320 And there's a, uh, I mean, like, people get angry at each other.

00:29:38.860 You know, the people that have the love and light experiences can't relate to the people who have the terrifying experiences.

00:29:44.180 And the terrifying, people who have had the terrifying experiences, you know, uh, yeah, there's a great gulf.

00:29:49.180 I mean, I've seen people getting, you know, not quite shouting matches, but close.

00:29:52.780 And, um, yeah, so, so there is, there's a real split as far as how the, how the overall experience manifests.

00:30:01.160 And I don't understand it.

00:30:02.620 I've heard people say like, oh, all you have to do is just, you know, it's, you're bringing your own preconceptions there and you're creating your own fears.

00:30:10.360 And, and, yeah, like, I don't know if that really plays out, you know, like, um, the, I mean, I, you know, I, one, the easier solution to me is like, you know, some people are just shit out of luck and they get the, they get the darker experiences, uh, for reasons that like, I, I wouldn't even attempt to guess.

00:30:27.060 Yeah. And I don't think it's all just made up in the mind. Either it is, or it really is happening.

00:30:33.980 Well, something's really happening and it may be much more complicated than the, than the, than the surface story.

00:30:38.660 I mean, like, you know, you could get a bunch of elementary school kids together and they could have a conference and they could talk about, you know, uh, you know, the, all the clues they have that, you know, Santa Claus lives on the North Pole.

00:30:47.960 And, uh, you know, it's because their parents told them, you know, they could read it in a book.

00:30:52.220 Uh, they met this nice man at the shopping mall who explained that he lived at the North Pole.

00:30:56.640 And, um, and then, you know, there's going to come a day when, when that's, that's not going to play out as true.

00:31:04.360 They're going to realize like, oh, there's something else going on.

00:31:07.440 And that, that, that mythology, you know, may have served some purpose, but now I've moved beyond that.

00:31:11.960 And so I, I sort of look at the UFO contact experience in that realm a little bit.

00:31:18.660 Like, you know, uh, you know, like there's not much you can say to your dog besides, you know, good dog, good dog, you know, and there may not be much they can say to us beyond, um, you know, whatever we're from the Pleiades.

00:31:30.180 Or aliens are going to save us.

00:31:31.780 I really, I can't stomach that kind of stuff anymore.

00:31:33.940 This channeled, channeled material.

00:31:36.720 Yeah, no, I've, I mean, I've befriended a lot of people who channel stuff in it.

00:31:40.060 And I, in the, in, I think that the, they're being quite honest as far as that's the material they're receiving.

00:31:46.220 And, um, though, though it may not be entirely accurate, it may be in some metaphoric or mythological that, you know, never say that to a channel or I found that out.

00:31:57.000 Like, you know, like, oh, you might, you might be talking in metaphor, you know, and they don't want to hear that.

00:32:01.240 But, uh, but that's my sense is that, you know, like I, I listen very carefully to what they say, but I don't, um, you know, I, I weigh it very cautiously.

00:32:11.360 Let me put it that way.

00:32:12.200 Well, and the thing is, too, we're all channeling all the time.

00:32:14.840 If we're all connected and all part of some kind of creation, it comes through the different funnels.

00:32:20.840 Yes, but those funnels and those blinders, we've, we've integrated them so seamlessly that we, we ignore it.

00:32:26.940 We don't understand that that stuff is, is coming through.

00:32:29.140 So, yeah, I, I know exactly what you're saying, um, but, but, you know, the vast majority of us are completely oblivious to the, to the power of those channeled messages.

00:32:38.000 Have you had any experiences where you've encountered a being or even an entity, it doesn't have to be an alien, could be something astral,

00:32:44.540 where the feeling of your consciousness is being almost sampled or ripped out of your body?

00:32:49.400 I've heard that one quite a bit.

00:32:51.420 Uh, I have never had that direct experience.

00:32:53.960 Um, I mean, the, that, the, the event that I talked about earlier, that kind of psychic knowing has happened to me a few times.

00:33:01.980 Each time it's happened, it has been directly related to the, to the UFO phenomenon.

00:33:05.980 It's not like I'm getting, you know, uh, a psychic download, like where the best parking lot at the, or best parking spot at the, at the grocery store is.

00:33:13.840 Um, you know, it's, each time it's happened, it has been directly connected with the, with the phenomena somehow.

00:33:20.840 Um, no, so I have not had that kind of, uh, that, that experience.

00:33:25.020 I did have a very, so that map I was talking about, there was the, you know, the westernmost point was the event that happened 19 days ago.

00:33:32.120 The easternmost point was an event that happened, uh, four years ago.

00:33:37.700 Is that right?

00:33:39.400 2010, three years ago.

00:33:41.160 Um, that, uh, that event, that event I, I experienced along with another person, we both experienced the exact same thing.

00:33:52.760 We experienced a profound sense of terror that, that defies any simple explanation.

00:34:00.380 Um, uh, we were in a tent at the time and I've spent a lot of time over the years in the backcountry in tents.

00:34:06.080 We were actually in the front country or just parked on the side of the road in a, in a little forest service road.

00:34:11.980 Um, and, you know, it was, it was beyond, I mean, mere vocabulary words wouldn't be able to describe it.

00:34:21.160 I've talked with other people who've had the abduction experience and they will, they will, uh, you know, that we'll both try to describe what we're talking about.

00:34:28.940 And the only thing we can kind of come, you know, what, what the words we, we gravitate to that we share is when, you know, when we start saying like, it felt like synthetic fear.

00:34:38.880 So I have felt that and that once was enough.

00:34:41.640 So.

00:34:43.160 Well, let's also talk about the role of owls in UFO sightings.

00:34:46.600 I know you've written about this quite a bit.

00:34:47.940 Well, this is coming directly from my own experience.

00:34:51.220 So this, like the, the, the fact that I've been writing about it has, is, is definitely, uh, just rolls out of my own, you know, my own curiosity and my own burning kind of, you know, desire to play detective and figure out what's up.

00:35:03.760 Um, yeah, I've had, for reasons I don't quite understand, I've had a lot of owl sightings.

00:35:09.740 It was actually recently I, there was a guy with him from a raptor center where, where they take injured birds of prey and they take them to a, um, uh, like a veterinarian, uh, ranch near where I live.

00:35:23.640 And, uh, and then that, that they will then tour around and bring the, the, the animals to, uh, this was like a fundraising event.

00:35:32.380 So it was in a barn and they had a golden eagle and a falcon and then they had an owl.

00:35:37.100 So I was talking to one of the biologists there and, uh, I was kind of like, oh, so, uh, you know, here, let me run this by.

00:35:43.540 You ever heard this kind of story?

00:35:44.680 And I told him a story where I saw a bunch of owls and he was like, no, no, that doesn't happen.

00:35:48.780 And it's like, oh, then I told him another one.

00:35:50.140 And he's like, no, no, that doesn't happen.

00:35:52.020 And then, uh, you know, I kept on doing it.

00:35:53.620 And at a certain point I got kind of a sense of glee, you know, like I was almost like realizing like, let's see how far I can push this.

00:35:58.840 So I kept on telling him one story after another.

00:36:00.700 And you could see him actually becoming physically uncomfortable and like move away from me.

00:36:05.440 So, uh, uh, but you know, first of all, I live in a place where there are lots of owls.

00:36:10.700 So if I'm going to see owls, this is about as good a place as anywhere where I could see them.

00:36:14.880 Uh, but I don't, and I've talked to other people who have had the same sorts of owl experiences.

00:36:24.160 And I don't quite understand the, um, what it means.

00:36:28.720 And I'm not, there's, there's two things going on.

00:36:30.280 So there's a screen memory, which if anyone who's looked into this even slightly, you know, the overall UFO abduction lore, there's a, there's a story that, that gets repeated over and over again.

00:36:41.140 And the, the, the person having the abduction event will say like, oh, I was driving down the road.

00:36:46.720 It was late at night.

00:36:47.540 I turned this corner and they're standing in the road was a four foot tall owl.

00:36:51.560 And it was staring at me.

00:36:52.860 It was so strange.

00:36:53.980 And the next thing I knew I was pulling into my driveway and I was two hours late getting home.

00:36:59.460 Now that kind of story you can, you can, you know, through hypnotic regression, which has got its own, its own bag of worms as far as how to, how much trust that.

00:37:10.460 But, um, the thought is that that is a screen memory, that there's some sort of hypnotic, uh, projection placed into the mind of the abductee where they are being, they are being shown or they are, they are being theatrically, uh, treated to the visual image of an owl when what it is actually doing is masking the presence of what, what is quite probably a gray alien with the big black eyes.

00:37:35.840 You know, the eyes being the, the, the focal point of the whole thing.

00:37:39.640 Now, what I'm talking about is real owls, owls that are, um, you know, that are just showing up at, at odd and prescient moments.

00:37:50.220 Um, should I just tell you an owl story?

00:37:53.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:54.180 So, so this is going back to 2006.

00:37:57.360 Now, uh, I said earlier that like, this is all pretty new for me.

00:38:03.280 It's only happened in the last few years where it feels like I've been hit pretty hard and this stuff has accelerated in my life.

00:38:08.180 Uh, this would have been right at the point when I was contemplating, you know, really looking into this stuff.

00:38:16.520 Like at, at, at that point, the story I'm about to tell, I was in complete and total denial except for the little, the little, uh, flicker of a question in the back of my mind that said, you know, you should probably look into this.

00:38:28.280 So, um, I live in a small town.

00:38:31.360 I live right near a, uh, Grand Teton National Park.

00:38:34.440 So I, uh, I can go camping for one night and it's beautiful.

00:38:38.380 I do it a lot in the summertime.

00:38:39.500 I'll just go out into the mountains and oftentimes without a shelter because I know what the weather's going to do.

00:38:43.420 So there was a young woman that was living in town here and she had been working at a, at a school here.

00:38:51.000 And, uh, I said, oh, you've been here for all this time.

00:38:53.320 You must go camping all the time.

00:38:54.380 And she said, no, I haven't camped yet.

00:38:55.740 I was like, oh, I go camping all the time.

00:38:57.540 I'll, I'll, I'll drag you out.

00:38:58.940 So within a few days I called her up and said, I'm going out tonight and you should come along.

00:39:02.700 And so, uh, we hiked out into the mountains, uh, and you don't have to go very far and find a beautiful spot.

00:39:10.160 And we was late in the afternoon.

00:39:11.080 So we didn't really, you know, log that many miles and we found a beautiful spot to camp.

00:39:15.300 And we were sitting on this big flat rock and I was making dinner out of a little camp stove and we were having this conversation.

00:39:23.860 And there was this point in the conversation where I realized like, wow, this, this woman is impressive.

00:39:29.620 Like something, like she said something that triggered something in me that like, like, like all of a sudden I realized like, well, this is one smart woman that I'm, that I'm interacting with.

00:39:40.020 And it was at that moment that an owl flew over us and then another owl and then a third owl.

00:39:47.040 And so these three owls flew above us all throughout the sunset.

00:39:51.240 Um, and they just stayed with us.

00:39:53.060 And what we did is we laid our sleeping bags down on the ground and just, uh, laid under the stars.

00:39:58.140 We didn't have a shelter and it continued on as we were laying on our backs.

00:40:01.600 Like the owls, the owls would literally swoop down in front of us and block out our, our vision for just a, you know, just a micro instant.

00:40:11.040 And they're very quiet when they fly.

00:40:12.560 So it's a very eerie sensation.

00:40:14.160 So even as we were laying down on our backs, the owls were flying right above us.

00:40:19.580 Uh, unless someone's spying on you through the owls.

00:40:22.560 Unless, well, that's actually something that's, that's, that you can speculate about.

00:40:26.820 That is, is someone using the owls, someone, let's say the gray aliens or this, you know, some alien presence.

00:40:33.220 Uh, are they using the owls, using their eyes the same way that, um, you know, like a, someone in the Pentagon would use a security camera on a drone, you know, that getting, you know, they were checking us out.

00:40:45.100 They were seeing us and an owl would be a perfect, uh, instrument if someone actually did have the psychic powers to tap into their field of vision.

00:40:52.280 I mean, they, they have night vision, they, they're quiet, they can fly, um, you know, they can, they can travel without, you know, creating a lot of attention to themselves.

00:41:00.220 So, um, you know, I have no idea whether that's true or not.

00:41:03.160 It is fun to speculate along those lines.

00:41:05.600 Uh, now here, let me just, so this woman's name is Kristen. 1.00

00:41:08.780 Uh, uh, we were both a little freaked out.

00:41:11.200 Like, wow, that was really weird, the owl thing.

00:41:12.880 So, uh, a couple days later, I said, hey, I'm going out camping again.

00:41:17.080 You want to come along?

00:41:17.720 And she said, sure.

00:41:18.440 So we went camping again, totally different part of the mountains.

00:41:22.060 We went to a, uh, you know, we're high in this ridgeline and it was actually colder this time.

00:41:27.960 So it was a little bit, um, you know, it felt like we were chilly and the sun was setting.

00:41:32.260 And I said, okay, let's, to warm up, why don't we walk up to the top of this hill?

00:41:35.140 We can watch the sunset and we can, we can, um, uh, get warm just walking uphill.

00:41:40.200 So it takes five minutes or so.

00:41:42.840 We get to the top of this beautiful hill.

00:41:44.160 We watch the sunset.

00:41:45.240 It's gorgeous.

00:41:46.140 And as we're standing there, three owls, like land near us.

00:41:52.000 They sit on branches near us.

00:41:53.620 They fly around us.

00:41:54.700 The exact same experience happens less than, I think it was four days later.

00:42:01.220 Uh, same person, completely different part of the mountains.

00:42:04.040 Uh, and then three owls fly around us, hang out with us.

00:42:09.160 My cat, sorry, my cat is walking on my desk here.

00:42:12.140 Our cats do that too when we record and jump on stuff.

00:42:15.320 Yeah.

00:42:15.640 So, uh, now, now this is when I started to look into this and I started, I actually wrote

00:42:22.280 this up as like a diary entry and I, uh, got ahold of Kristen.

00:42:28.040 Now she had moved.

00:42:29.020 She was no longer living in town.

00:42:30.180 So this is a couple of years had gone by, um, it actually would have been three years

00:42:34.360 later because, uh, this happened, this event happened in 2006 and the, uh, this would have

00:42:42.060 been one of my first blog posts, which I had written up as a diary and it was her story.

00:42:45.280 But right after I posted it, I called her and I said, you know, Kristen, do you like, this

00:42:50.120 is going to be a funny question.

00:42:51.200 Do you remember what we were talking about when, when that first set of owls appeared

00:42:55.660 when we were cooking on that flat rock?

00:42:58.220 And, um, because it made a very strong impression on me, but I couldn't remember exactly what

00:43:01.920 we're talking about.

00:43:02.580 So she said, oh yeah, I remember exactly what it was.

00:43:05.040 Um, she said, I was giving my deepest, most heartfelt definition of what God meant to me.

00:43:12.900 Now, if I hadn't asked, I mean, I think that one detail adds a richness and a depth to

00:43:18.180 the overall story that, that wouldn't be there if I didn't, if I didn't ask it.

00:43:22.320 And I think it's also, I guess the whole owl thing gets pretty much ignored by the nuts

00:43:26.640 and bolts crowd, but, um, you know, that, that takes an already, uh, fascinating story

00:43:33.680 and then, and then pushes it right into the realm of the mystical.

00:43:38.360 I love owls.

00:43:39.340 There's something special about them.

00:43:40.680 Definitely.

00:43:41.860 Well, they certainly beautiful and it's, there's no, I mean, it's there, they have a, they have

00:43:45.740 a very strong presence and they're spooky and they've got the big eyes and they're quiet

00:43:49.340 and, you know, they only come out at night and they, they don't look like any other predator

00:43:53.580 bird and stuff.

00:43:54.340 Yeah.

00:43:54.500 So it's very easy to, um, I mean, owls are, are just visually alone, you know, not even,

00:44:00.920 you know, following up on all the, you know, the rich lineage of the, of the, uh, mythology

00:44:05.980 that's associated with owls.

00:44:07.260 You know, they're, they're just impressive to look at.

00:44:09.440 Yeah.

00:44:09.620 I used to live in Bend, Oregon in the high desert and there was one that, that new juniper

00:44:13.840 tree right at the end of the driveway.

00:44:15.840 Anyway, so it was there almost every night when I would be walking in up through the

00:44:20.020 door, just looking at me, but I felt real cuddly towards it.

00:44:22.420 Like I wanted to hug it.

00:44:24.500 Well, that's, yeah, I would not advise hugging an owl, but yeah, so, uh, but, uh, yes, they

00:44:31.620 are very beautiful and they do have tons of charisma.

00:44:34.440 Well, to switch the subject here, you wrote an eerie piece about Kubrick, Fowler and the

00:44:38.700 Watchers.

00:44:39.280 Can you talk about that?

00:44:40.220 Since I think it's so interesting.

00:44:42.040 Oh, okay.

00:44:42.500 So that's, that actually has proven to be a very popular post.

00:44:45.380 I actually don't get that many hits on my site and, and, uh, but that one post has

00:44:49.200 been linked by other folks.

00:44:50.560 And so through other people linking to it, it's gotten a lot of hits.

00:44:53.980 Um, yeah, that was actually a long format, uh, uh, essay for me, which I, which I don't

00:45:00.020 really write that kind of thing that often, like where I just kind of go off and just kind

00:45:03.480 of speculate and just kind of, that came from Raymond Fowler wrote a book called The Watchers

00:45:09.400 in the, I think the late 80s, early 90s.

00:45:13.420 And, um, it was part of the Betty Andreassen series.

00:45:18.500 In that, in that, uh, in that book, he, there's a, kind of in the end, he speculates about,

00:45:24.220 uh, the, the, the, how the gray alien looks similar to a human fetus.

00:45:33.980 Now, I, some, at some point just shortly before writing the article, I watched, um, uh, Planet

00:45:43.560 of the Apes and I realized like, wow, Planet of the Apes and in 2001, they're really similar

00:45:48.080 movies, right?

00:45:48.660 They both have like a funny wormhole, uh, sequence.

00:45:51.920 They have, you know, uh, apes with, you know, high tech Hollywood makeup for the time.

00:45:56.120 And then I realized, well, they're both from 1968 and then just started like digging into

00:46:01.160 this a little bit.

00:46:02.300 And then it felt like the synchronistic floodgates just opened up and, and I'm not exaggerating

00:46:08.780 when I'm going to say this, that, that essay wrote itself.

00:46:11.480 Like I didn't really do anything.

00:46:12.740 I just kind of stood back and just kind of like let my fingers move on the keyboard and,

00:46:16.220 and this stuff just like flowed out of me and it got so weird.

00:46:20.640 And I mean, if you read it, I mean, you must sense that like the, you could kind of almost

00:46:24.280 sense my, my, I mean, on one sense, it's a very playful article.

00:46:28.820 I don't think anyone should take it seriously.

00:46:30.500 It's not, it's not meant to, but it's creepy.

00:46:32.240 It's creepy too.

00:46:34.380 Well, it gets creepy, but so the, um, the, if you sort of the Raymond Fowler issue.

00:46:40.360 So I started talking, let me, I'll jump to the Kubrick stuff.

00:46:43.000 So in Kubrick's 2001, you know, it has three distinct chapters.

00:46:47.520 It has the chapter with the dawn of man with the apes.

00:46:50.300 It has the chapter with the humans, like of sort of what would be modern present

00:46:54.180 day humans, uh, where they find the monolith on the moon.

00:46:58.020 And then there's sort of a, an apotheosis, this almost God-like, uh, climax to the film

00:47:04.540 where the astronaut, uh, it's, it's, I'm assuming it's the astronaut Dave Bowman who returns

00:47:12.460 to earth in the form of the star child, this fetus.

00:47:15.540 And the fetus looks eerily like a gray alien.

00:47:18.500 It's got big eyes, big bald head.

00:47:21.040 It's got this tiny little body.

00:47:22.940 Um, so now, uh, Raymond Fowler, and he took his research from someone else and he was just

00:47:32.440 sort of, uh, you know, working with that.

00:47:34.400 But if, if you take a chimpanzee and there's a study and people actually study embryos and

00:47:43.080 fetuses, I think it's some form of embryology studies where the fetus of a chimpanzee at a

00:47:49.320 certain point in its gestation looks eerily like a human.

00:47:54.200 I actually wanted to put some pictures up. 0.81

00:47:56.020 They were so freaking gross.

00:47:57.040 I decided not to, but so, uh, the, but so, and then the human fetus looks eerily like a 0.81

00:48:08.900 gray alien.

00:48:10.460 Yeah.

00:48:10.500 Is that picture you posted real too?

00:48:12.260 The human fetus is looking a lot like the cover of communion giving us the finger. 0.60

00:48:18.560 That was totally, that was actually an article.

00:48:22.120 I Googled human fetus alien and boom, that, that image came up and it's, it's connected.

00:48:27.260 There's a link to an article where it's some, uh, I mean, it might be like the, the, some

00:48:31.740 tabloid from England where they were, you know, they kind of wrote an exploitative article

00:48:35.680 on how, how creepy it was, but, um, uh, yeah, so that's a real image.

00:48:40.040 Yeah.

00:48:40.340 Totally a real image.

00:48:41.160 And it sure looked like, like a gray alien there.

00:48:43.640 Um, it might have something to do with the, um, sonogram, like an effect of the sonogram

00:48:47.460 or something like that.

00:48:48.300 So, uh, but, uh, so the thought is, and this is, this is, I'm getting totally immersing myself

00:48:56.180 here in the lore of the, of the UFO research.

00:49:01.320 And when I say lore, like, I don't know whether this is true or not, but it's certainly like,

00:49:04.860 you know, what people talk about at UFO conferences and what people write books about, um, is that

00:49:09.560 somehow some genetic tampering took place in the, in the rich history of our, you know,

00:49:16.280 uh, you know, life on earth.

00:49:18.220 And the tampering would have taken place with proto humans, you know, apes, our closest genetic 0.96

00:49:26.320 neighbor is the, the chimpanzee.

00:49:29.780 And somehow that took place with, with tampering with the fetus itself.

00:49:36.340 So from that, we get the modern human.

00:49:38.980 Modern human looks like the chimpanzee's fetus. 0.91

00:49:41.620 Now there's something going on right now where women who have had the abduction experience are

00:49:49.580 reporting pregnancy issues, uh, meeting children, uh, false pregnancies that, that disappear,

00:49:58.520 uh, actually clearly remembering or remembering through hypnotic regression.

00:50:02.620 I've talked to women who remember both, uh, like fetuses being removed.

00:50:06.180 Uh, and so, I mean, this is as creepy and as dark as it gets, but so there we have the fetus

00:50:15.200 looking like the gray alien, is this the, is this somehow the next lineage in this evolutionary

00:50:22.100 triad?

00:50:23.100 Uh, I don't have any proof for it.

00:50:25.080 It's just, it's just an avenue of speculation, but I didn't speculate in a, in the form of

00:50:29.840 a dry scientist.

00:50:30.880 I was using references from like tacky, uh, TV shows from the 1960s.

00:50:35.940 Well, not tacky, the outer limits is pretty strong television show, but the outer limits

00:50:39.200 has a television show, which actually has the same triad.

00:50:41.900 It has the chimpanzee, the modern human, and then the, the, the, the sort of, um, godlike

00:50:48.520 exalted human with the, that looks like a gray alien with a big bald head.

00:50:53.320 And, and, uh, so this shows up in, uh, I had to, I had to cheat a little bit to make

00:50:58.140 it show up in, in, um, Planet of the Apes where there's, there is a, there is a creepy

00:51:03.100 doll that they find at the, at the culmination of the Planet of the Apes and they all point to

00:51:07.940 it as like, that's the proof, that's the proof.

00:51:09.780 So, in essence, um, there's this creepy little doll with a great big head that they're, that

00:51:14.640 they're pointing to, and that's, comes at the end of the movie, similar to the end of

00:51:17.660 2001.

00:51:18.540 I, I don't know if I said this, but 2001 and, and, uh, and, uh, Planet of the Apes were issued,

00:51:24.420 were released three days apart.

00:51:27.240 Oh, no, I didn't know that.

00:51:29.120 Yeah, that to me was really strange.

00:51:31.420 Now, that what gets really weird, and I didn't, and I mean, this just, this just welled up out

00:51:38.860 of, I don't know where, is, uh, the, the, the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, which took

00:51:46.920 place in Tucson, Arizona, uh, the first doctor to arrive on the scene was named Dr. David Bowman,

00:51:56.720 and that's the name of the character played by Keir DeLay in 2001.

00:52:01.660 He's the fellow who goes through the wormhole.

00:52:05.640 And the, uh, I'm, and I actually, I think I even, like, said out loud, I said something

00:52:11.400 like, wow, well, if I find someone named, named after someone in, uh, Planet of the Apes,

00:52:15.260 I'm gonna eat my hat, you know?

00:52:16.580 And it didn't take, so I just, like, did a little Google check and just looked up some

00:52:19.640 of the other names on, that were involved in that shooting, and the first person that

00:52:25.460 he worked with, and the, and this young woman died, was a woman named Christina Taylor Green.

00:52:32.900 And Taylor is the name of Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes.

00:52:38.240 Hmm.

00:52:39.280 Uh, and this is, so this woman, she was nine years old at the time.

00:52:45.540 She was born on September 11th, 2001.

00:52:50.080 So there's these things that I don't, I mean, I don't, this, this isn't pointing to a vast

00:52:54.820 conspiracy, in my opinion.

00:52:57.440 What it is pointing to is that somehow, within the fabric of our reality, uh, highly powerful

00:53:04.700 events will create their own synchronistic cloud, like some sort of echo chamber emerges,

00:53:12.100 and these, uh, reflective, uh, synchronistic, the synchro-weirdness, I guess that's the term

00:53:19.760 you, you, that, that I, whatever, that's, that one step beyond, uh, just, um, synchromistic,

00:53:25.320 uh, you know, something is at play here that, that isn't, you know, it's not in our hands.

00:53:31.840 Let me just put it that way.

00:53:33.100 And that, so that long, uh, that, that long article, uh, uh, emerged in a cloud like that,

00:53:40.440 and then afterwards I was, you know, I was having synchronicities connected to that, uh,

00:53:44.540 to that article, um, you know, as far as number sequences and things that were showing up.

00:53:49.720 I know all that sounds kind of paranoid and strange, but, um, you know, I've been making

00:53:53.160 a very real effort to document those as best I can.

00:53:56.360 Well, I feel like humans are definitely out of place.

00:53:59.340 Something is wrong.

00:54:00.200 It's like, I was thinking about my cat the other day.

00:54:02.440 My cat can sniff, you know, okay, can't eat that.

00:54:04.740 It'll kill me.

00:54:05.400 It's poisonous.

00:54:06.440 Humans, we can't do that.

00:54:07.520 We have to learn through watching someone else die first before we know, okay, stay

00:54:11.760 away from that, you know?

00:54:13.700 Well, we do have some sort of internal things, you know, you know, like we're fear height.

00:54:17.380 Not as good as animals, though.

00:54:19.440 Well, yeah.

00:54:21.020 Yeah.

00:54:21.340 I mean, so, but, but yeah, so, I mean, we've, we've, we're, we're, we're disconnected from

00:54:25.580 our animal nature on some level.

00:54:27.740 Um, you know, we, we believe we're machines.

00:54:30.880 I mean, not, I mean, not all of us, but I mean, that's like the, that seems to be the

00:54:34.360 way we're indoctrinated through, you know, you know, modern, modern life to just see

00:54:39.160 ourselves as machines.

00:54:40.660 It's true.

00:54:41.540 It's true.

00:54:42.440 Which I don't, you know, I, I very strongly believe that there's a lot more going on,

00:54:45.660 uh, you know, in that machine is a very feeble way to try to articulate humanity.

00:54:49.860 But, um, you know, that's, that's the overriding sentiment, I think.

00:54:54.420 But if we are a vehicle, if the body is a vehicle, I guess it is a machine in a way.

00:54:59.700 Sure.

00:55:00.080 I mean, it's a machine.

00:55:00.840 It's the same way it's a garden.

00:55:01.820 It's the same way it's a spirit entity.

00:55:03.200 It's the same way it's a, it's a, uh, you know, it's a vehicle for the soul.

00:55:07.380 Sure.

00:55:07.580 I mean, there's lots of different ways to, um, you know, it's all of those.

00:55:12.600 Yeah.

00:55:13.820 So what about mythic symbolism that relates to the UFO phenomena?

00:55:20.040 Uh, well, I mean, I haven't, the, the mythic in the, the UFO lore.

00:55:26.940 Now, the way I try to frame this for myself is that if I got in a time machine and went,

00:55:30.820 um, back to, uh, you know, ancient Greece and then, you know, there was a, there was an

00:55:35.540 academic, you know, with his toga sitting with his students, you know, talking about

00:55:39.100 the gods and, and he would be able to, you know, uh, give me the pantheon of the, uh,

00:55:45.420 the hierarchy and, and what it all, you know, in a very dry fashion, he would be able to tell

00:55:50.100 me all this stuff.

00:55:50.580 And, and there's something else going on too, where there might be some, you know, 0.95

00:55:55.000 the crazy, uh, you know, the town fool that had, had actually ventured up to the top of 0.95

00:56:00.880 Mount Olympus and actually met with the gods. 0.98

00:56:03.300 Um, that's the person I would much rather talk to rather than the dry academic.

00:56:07.400 Uh, I, I know that that, uh, that's sort of, uh, that to take that, I shouldn't use, have 0.93

00:56:14.540 used the term the town fool.

00:56:15.600 That's kind of, uh, weighted a little bit in a way that, but you know what I mean? 0.91

00:56:20.100 Like the guy who's, you know, the zealot with his eyes ablazed and who, you know, actually,

00:56:24.920 you know, interacted with the gods.

00:56:26.460 Those are the people I'm more interested in talking to.

00:56:29.020 Um, this imagery emerges, uh, there are two separate, um, stories that I don't think,

00:56:38.780 um, I've only talked to one of the people involved.

00:56:40.880 Uh, one of them happened to Betty Andreessen, where she, um, was, this is in one of the,

00:56:48.440 um, there's a series, I think there's four series, four books in the series on, on her

00:56:52.700 case alone, uh, also written by Raymond Fowler.

00:56:55.360 And this is interesting.

00:56:56.020 Raymond Fowler also wrote a book, his last book, uh, he's in his early eighties now.

00:57:00.480 He's, he's kind of seems to have divorced himself from the UFO subject, but his final book,

00:57:04.800 um, uh, he, his, so his last two books, the one, uh, before his final book was about his

00:57:12.280 own personal abduction experiences.

00:57:16.880 And that was kind of came, you know, so here's like a 75 year old man writing about his abduction

00:57:21.640 experiences, uh, and it, and he had been a prominent researcher in the, you know, abduction

00:57:27.040 field for decades at that point.

00:57:29.020 So that was a very interesting book to come out.

00:57:32.300 Um, and then the book that followed that up was called Synchrophile, where he talked

00:57:36.100 about all the synchronicities that were following him in his life.

00:57:39.120 Now, I just, so that, that parallels a lot of people's journey.

00:57:44.580 Let me put it that way that, you know, that there's, uh, you know, that, that, like, it

00:57:48.600 seems like in a way it paralleled my journey where when, as I stepped into this, I really

00:57:52.200 didn't want to come to terms with my own experiences.

00:57:55.220 And it was in a way, the synchronicity that forced the synchronicities that forced me

00:57:59.460 to pay attention.

00:58:00.700 Now, um, Betty Andreessen had an experience.

00:58:04.160 She was on, she was taken by little gray aliens onto a craft. 1.00

00:58:08.360 She, I think if I'm remembering this correctly, she was, she's like presented with a box and

00:58:13.920 either she pushed a button on the box or merely touched the box.

00:58:17.260 And immediately she had an outer body experience and she went through the tunnel, like literally

00:58:23.000 the near death experience.

00:58:24.640 She like, you know, like went through the tunnel, went to the light and she was confronted

00:58:28.920 with a, um, uh, a giant falcon, a giant eagle was in front of her.

00:58:36.140 And that eagle, uh, loomed in front of her.

00:58:39.440 And then, you know, she tells it in, in very, um, sort of poetic and, and, uh, sort of exalted

00:58:49.280 terms where this, this eagle then crumbles, lights on fire.

00:58:54.580 And she says she could feel the heat coming off of it.

00:58:57.140 And then it, and then it crumbles to ash.

00:58:59.660 And from that ash arises a new golden eagle, like an eagle made of shiny gold.

00:59:07.060 Then after that whole thing happens, she's like sucked back through the tube.

00:59:11.060 And then she's standing there with, with the gray aliens. 0.86

00:59:14.520 Now, I mean, that is as mythic a, you know, the phoenix bird is as mythic a, uh, an imagery

00:59:20.800 that shows up in both Native American culture as well as, I think it's Egyptian culture.

00:59:25.340 Um, and you know, here's this, let's say rather simple woman, very, uh, uh, devout Christian,

00:59:33.500 you know, giving this ancient mythological experience.

00:59:36.060 Now, there's another fellow, his name is, um, David Huggins, and I've spoken with him

00:59:41.680 at great length on the phone.

00:59:43.960 And he put out a book, uh, recently, which was a collection of his paintings.

00:59:50.120 And, uh, and those paintings are all his UFO abduction experiences, been painting them

00:59:55.180 compulsively.

00:59:56.380 Uh, and he painted the exact same thing, this, this mythic phoenix bird experience.

01:00:02.680 And I definitely quizzed him.

01:00:03.960 And I said, hey, did you ever read that book by, um, Ray Fowler?

01:00:06.740 And he had no idea what I was talking about.

01:00:08.560 Um, and I feel like I know him good, well enough that, that if he had, he would have

01:00:12.280 just said it.

01:00:12.900 He just got nothing to hide.

01:00:13.980 So, um, but I just thought, so, so there is this imagery within the UFO lore, um, that,

01:00:22.760 that, uh, you know, speaks to this grand mythology as well as much more subtle mythologies,

01:00:30.060 you know, like the fairy lore from, from, um, Northern Europe and, and the British Isles,

01:00:36.940 uh, seems to parallel the, the, uh, the modern UFO abduction lore.

01:00:42.120 There's a Brazilian theologian, Ruben Alves.

01:00:45.420 He says, myths are stories that define the contours of a great absence that lives in us.

01:00:51.680 So the question is, what does the myth of aliens represent?

01:00:55.320 You know, is it an absence of something within us?

01:00:58.980 Well, I mean, if, uh, uh, Joseph Campbell, and I've read a bunch of his stuff, I went

01:01:05.720 through a big, long stretch where I was reading it.

01:01:07.900 Yeah.

01:01:08.500 So he was asked, I think it was actually during the Bill Moyers interviews, uh, Bill

01:01:12.800 Moyers asked him, he said like, you know, so, you know, what, what's, um, what's going

01:01:17.740 on with mythology today?

01:01:19.020 And, and, and, you know, uh, Joseph Campbell said, well, it's not serving the public as

01:01:24.600 it should, you know, mythology up until recently was the mythology of tribes, was the mythology

01:01:29.860 of independent cultures.

01:01:31.500 And those mythologies are no longer serving us.

01:01:34.720 And, and then Bill Moyers asked like, well, what's the new mythology going to be?

01:01:39.580 And, uh, Joseph Campbell said, well, I can't, I can't answer that.

01:01:43.500 I, I don't know what the new mythology will be any more than I know what tomorrow night's

01:01:47.680 dream will be, but I do know that it will be a global mythology because that is what

01:01:52.480 we need collectively as humanity right now.

01:01:55.120 We need a mythology, a global mythology.

01:01:58.340 And the, the, the UFO abduction phenomena may be providing that, that mythology in the

01:02:05.780 sense that we have, you know, I don't know where they're from.

01:02:10.100 They could be from any number of places.

01:02:12.060 We could, nobody knows.

01:02:13.080 And I, if someone told me where they were from, I wouldn't believe them anyway.

01:02:15.240 But the, the pop culture, uh, framework is that they're from some other planet out of

01:02:20.700 our solar system.

01:02:22.120 And so here we have, we have an interloper coming here and through that, you know, we

01:02:28.880 can see our own collective humanity as a, as a, as a planetary species because we seem

01:02:35.880 to be interacting with something from an entirely different planet.

01:02:39.040 Um, and then there's certainly all kinds of warnings that take place within the UFO, uh,

01:02:44.260 contact experience, you know, oh, you know, you're polluting the planet, you're, you know,

01:02:48.000 you need to, uh, uh, quit, um, you know, put an end to nuclear, um, nuclear, you know,

01:02:54.360 producing nuclear bombs and stuff like that.

01:02:55.860 So there's, so there are, you know, very clear warnings, but those are the same warnings

01:02:59.960 that, that, I mean, any, you know, junior high school student writing a science fiction

01:03:05.700 essay would, would include, you know, those, those warnings are necessarily coming out of

01:03:11.700 nowhere.

01:03:12.620 Yeah.

01:03:13.360 I think this thing here just has to play out and it's going to play out.

01:03:16.740 What's going to happen is going to happen.

01:03:18.320 I think it was Jacques Vallée who said, the more light projected on the phenomenon, the

01:03:24.620 more we will be creating shadow zones.

01:03:28.400 Yes.

01:03:28.880 And that's, yeah.

01:03:29.560 And that's actually, you know, in the more, I mean, the more.

01:03:35.700 The more we mythologize the phenomenon, you know, by saying like, oh, the Pleiadians

01:03:40.600 are the nice blonde ones that, you know, that look like, you know, Norwegians and have 1.00

01:03:44.940 like high cheekbones and look like, and the, uh, you know, the grays are from Zeta Reticuli 0.97

01:03:50.300 and then the, you know, the reptilians are from the Draco constellation.

01:03:54.240 I mean, all this mythology is in place now.

01:03:56.280 I mean, you go to UFO conferences, just like it's, it's a theological or theological, you know,

01:04:01.520 seminar, uh, but, um, you know, I don't know whether it's true or not.

01:04:05.660 And I'm, I'm, I have no problem with folklore.

01:04:07.600 I think it's, I'm content with it, but I treat it as folklore.

01:04:11.520 Yeah.

01:04:11.980 I think that's a better way to do it.

01:04:13.980 Well, Mike, thank you.

01:04:15.080 It's been a pleasure.

01:04:16.000 If you can please mention your website and any other details.

01:04:18.640 My, um, the blog is a hidden experience.blogspot.com.

01:04:25.760 And, um, if you Google my name, it comes right up in my, you know, so, uh, uh, and it's, uh,

01:04:31.560 and also along there, I have, uh, I've been doing some audio interviews, so I have a pretty

01:04:36.360 good collection of audio interviews, probably about, um, 75 different interviews.

01:04:40.980 Most of those focused on the abduction experience, whether I'm interviewing, uh, people who have

01:04:46.100 the firsthand experience or people with, um, that are doing research.

01:04:50.720 So that's been the focal point of the, of the overall blog.

01:04:53.960 And some of my own experiences are listed there and a lot of, uh, you know, uh, links

01:04:58.360 to other stories that I think are important.

01:05:00.480 Great.

01:05:00.680 So check it out, everybody.

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Radio 3Fourteen - April 03, 2013

Synchronicity_ UFOs_ Owls _ Kubrick_ Fowler and The Watchers

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