Elaine Scraffio is an extremely talented and highspirited artist, illustrator and researcher of Irish folklore and mythology. Elaine is also no stranger when it comes to conspiracy and esoteric subject matters. She goes under the name Scraiffio, and I describe her artwork as fantastically dark yet enchanting and inviting. You can definitely see the influence of Irish mythology and folklore in her work.
00:01:37.600Maybe we can begin with your early artistic process and how that began.
00:01:42.620Yes, the beginnings of the artistic kind of journey, as it were, you know, from the age of three onwards, painting and just drawing and just making a mess of things around me, just painting on walls or on the ground.
00:01:58.900And that was the first thing I knew I could do really well, and I enjoyed it.
00:02:05.420And I painted before I could write, before I could tie my shoelace, before I could tell the time, you know.
00:02:11.320And, you know, I found school, particularly, you know, I could understand that there was parts that I wasn't as good at when it came, you know, academically speaking.
00:02:24.280But painting and drawing was something that a lot of people around me had noticed that I could do, like, a lot better than most.
00:02:31.500And as well as that I was left-handed, and you don't really know this until you're really told that, you know, that you're left-handed and you're not, like, of the normal majority in the class.
00:02:45.220But, you know, from a very young age, it was something that I just loved to flow myself into.
00:02:50.000And music as well, and painting and just movement, the whole kind of artistic kind of area, it's something that just came more naturally to me.
00:03:03.180And, you know, in my teenage years, music was something that kept me going and just expanding, getting into areas, genres of music that you wouldn't necessarily hear in the mainstream.
00:03:20.000And coming across pirate radio and coming across independent music shops and getting hold on music that was put out independently, even if it was dodgy techno, you know, something that was, that it was, there was something about it that just going out and searching for this stuff, material, that was put out there by people that you wouldn't have come across normally.
00:03:40.660And I found that when it came to the artistic process, it wasn't until I was 19 that I was really aware of that potential of your own kind of expression, that it's an important thing to be aware of.
00:03:59.580Because I did an art performance after I finished school, and I was pretty disillusioned by a lot of things.
00:04:07.400And it was just a very interesting moment, really, in my life.
00:04:15.100It was a bit of a milestone in that I, putting a lot of the frustration and a lot of aggression that you've been building up over that particular time in your life when you're a teenager.
00:04:28.000You feel you're very much alone, which is an illusion, because you're not alone at all.
00:04:34.080But you are just burdened by a lot of things.
00:04:36.320And a lot of things do not make sense, and you don't know how to explain it.
00:04:39.940And, you know, it's one of those things that creating, whether it's through music, whether it's through art, whether it's through many means of dance, you are kind of getting into touch with something that it is a freedom, in a sense.
00:04:56.920So would you say there's a sacred element involved in the artistic process?
00:05:00.360I believe it more now than ever, and I didn't believe it in my teenage years, but I would have been aware of it even as a child.
00:05:09.860And to even backtrack a bit, when I was 13, I actually sold my first painting, and then again when I was 14.
00:05:16.240And from the age of 12 up to 15, I was absolutely in love with, you know, the landscape, the natural landscape.
00:05:25.800I fell in love with, like, romanticism and rural landscapes.
00:05:29.000And it was all through my mind that I was seeing these images that I wanted to put down onto paper.
00:05:33.360And most of the students I saw in my art class that I was going to, they were always painting what they saw on a photograph.
00:05:42.120You know, it is important to kind of study structures, but I was absolutely, I was totally aware of the imaginary world in my younger, in my younger days.
00:05:51.440And in my teenage times, I just kind of wanted to forget about it because it was seen as if there was nothing, there was no magic in the world.
00:05:57.920You know, I was just so angry about everything.
00:05:59.860I had refused or just wanted to ignore aspects of myself that I just can't deny anymore.
00:06:07.580Yeah, Irish folklore is full of mystical creatures and supernatural people.
00:06:24.920I loved hearing the stories about Cinderella and, you know, Red Riding Hood.
00:06:28.680But when I heard of the legends, like the mythology cycle particularly of Ireland, like the two of the Danann and just certain interchangeable figures that, you know, reincarnation was clear in these stories.
00:06:41.840You know, the fairy beings, the good people, Nadini Moa, like they existed in all realms, you know, in the world.
00:06:51.320And, you know, when I started to study, actually, these kind of entities, these beings, the elemental kingdom, even just as a subject itself, you know, there are a lot of truths that come out, particularly even when you look back on the history of the world, the story of humanity.
00:07:09.080You know, and, you know, when I first heard these stories, it was on tape, it was on a little audio tape, like a nighttime story, which wouldn't be, you know, exactly the best thing when you're eight to hear when you're going to bed.
00:07:22.660But it was, I loved hearing them by the spoken mouth.
00:07:27.460And, you know, it's more natural to me to absorb information by hearing it by the ear or hearing it in the moment, the ephemeral.
00:07:34.780And, you know, Bailagis, Bailagis is the Irish word for folklore.
00:07:40.800And folklore, the word itself is a bit loaded because it can be kind of condescending, like the lore of the folk, the quaint folk that we don't take seriously.
00:07:49.360But Bailagis being Bail, the mouth, and Aegis, like of knowledge, knowledge of the mouth, you know, this oral tradition that would continue to be passed on from generation to generation.
00:07:59.520And you see that everywhere around the world.
00:08:01.260You know, it's not just, there are certain fragments that still could contain it.
00:08:05.940I think Ireland's good at keeping the folklore alive, too, even through the Irish drinking songs, whereas other cultures, it's kind of dying off.
00:08:14.440Well, you know, what's interesting about the ballads and the songs, music was what people, that's all they had, because they didn't have anything else.
00:08:22.160They had nothing else to kind of get what they wanted to say out, you know, because most couldn't read or write.
00:08:27.840They weren't entitled to what we all take now for granted, you know, and they could see truths.
00:08:34.760That's why they were, the enforcement was so strong in them, because their spirit couldn't be broken.
00:08:40.900But we are all broken now because we don't believe in half the things that we should know about.
00:08:44.920And true, we're more intoxicated now than ever.
00:08:49.280You know, it's really interesting how, you know, being, at least be aware of these things, you know, without taking them for granted.
00:08:57.380And I find that when, in my teenage years, when I didn't, I was just, you just, you go into a dark zone and it's great when you can kind of look back and go,
00:09:11.480well, you needed to go through that to kind of get back on the other side.
00:09:14.220It was kind of like going into Hades for a long time and then kind of resurfacing again.
00:09:19.500But it was true, it's always through these aspects of music and through just visual imagery, images that are a language in themselves.
00:09:30.200And they're speaking to you in a way that there's something that you just get.
00:09:35.440It's like, it's really intelligent, you know.
00:09:37.920And I fell upon these illustration artists, like the golden age of illustration would have been the beginnings of the 20th century.
00:09:46.060And I had the artist like of Ivan Biliban, who is this Russian artist who illustrated the Slavic folktales of the people.
00:09:54.240And we had an artist called Harry Clark, who was a stained glass artist, but his illustration work he did for Edgar Allan Poe and Hans Christian Andersen.
00:10:05.320And, you know, these are grown adults who are getting into areas that are vitally important.
00:10:14.440And in that they're reminding you of aspects that we were coming to an age that we were beginning to forget again, you know.
00:10:22.200What aspects are these that we're forgetting right now?
00:10:27.400Yeah, it's what Carl Jung even speaks about.
00:10:37.260And, I mean, mythologies being a series of images that formulate the life of the archetype, you know, you need to be conscious of the aspect of this existence.
00:10:47.620Because this archetype that, you know, we see in these mythologies that we may relate to, that archetype indeed could be your higher self.
00:10:56.820I know I'm being kind of vague on that, but it does come out that, you know, when you delve into these things, the richness emerges.
00:11:04.580And what I remembered, I remembered finally when I came in contact with these stories again, with these mythologies, with the help of music, particularly metal music, metal music.
00:12:15.960And I found what was interesting about metal, metal gigs in general, they were actually quite welcoming.
00:12:22.600You know, nobody actually cares who you are or, you know, what clique and scene you're in.
00:12:27.560I've always observed all the types of music circles because in my teenage years I was heavily into electronica.
00:12:33.800And, you know, even when I came upon Black Sabbath and, you know, it was only when I wanted to start doing drumming, just the performance itself was a great release.
00:12:46.440You know, I had to check these bands out again.
00:12:48.560And hearing the likes of Bill Ward drumming in Black Sabbath, who had this jazzy blues element to it, and then Motorhead, Phil Filthy Animal, you know.
00:12:58.080He was, there was just such a great, you know, just, just, how do you explain it?
00:13:31.360And when I am in the process, the creative process, within those hours, those liminal hours, past midnight, before sunrise, you know, or just about when everyone's getting up to work, that's when I'll probably drop a bit.
00:13:45.780But it's kind of a time that, that's, I think, when the creative process is really alive.
00:13:50.400And music is, it's just, it's, it gets you into that trance, actually.
00:13:55.360It's, for me, it's a quick way to get into that trance element.
00:13:57.320Now, I don't use any psychoactive kind of influences, and I have no problem with them, but I just don't use them because in my own situation, I actually, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be taking anything in my environment that I'm in.
00:14:41.440And it's, I find it a very excluding kind of a world and that I, I could, would never want to be a part of actually, because it, it doesn't actually explain the real point of it.
00:14:53.940You know, you know, it's, it's, it gets a bit too vague for my liking.
00:14:59.080And it's also a fake kind of pain and darkness, you know.
00:15:04.320I mean, I, I believe that you should be able to release what's, what's building up in you definitely on the canvas.
00:15:11.240But, you know, you know, it's a creative process that it's, you're using an energy that productively really, whereas the art world, they're, they're gaining wealth of people who are talented, you know.
00:15:26.040And they're not actually doing the artwork themselves, they're just, they're just, they're parasites actually, living off creative people who are not of that business mind likeness.
00:15:34.960You know, you could be a great artist and a good businessman as well, but I find that it kind of, it's, it's a tough one to kind of balance, I find, because this is priceless, you know.
00:15:46.420This is not something you could just, you can't equate it with money, you know.
00:15:50.940It's, it's an abundance of wealth of, of, of imagination, you know.
00:15:56.500And the imaginary realm is something you can tap into if you respect it fully.
00:16:01.780And it's something that will definitely open up to you if you agree to co-create with it, you know.
00:16:12.220I think it's, the integrity is what really has to be looked at.
00:16:16.240And, you know, this, this, this, this intelligence knows this.
00:16:24.340You can see a mile shot, you know, if you have the integrity or not.
00:16:28.480And, I mean, even looking at Carl Jung, particularly his Red Book, and it's, it is a really fascinating kind of, his own journey, as it were, through the creative processes.
00:16:42.500And, you know, it's, he, he himself, it just, you can gain so much from just wanting to just go, go out there and do things that you want to do.
00:16:56.340That you feel that it's, it's your, you're just, something that's inspiring, pushing you to do something, that it will make you, something, it, you're, you actually get rewarded.
00:17:06.180It's like an, like a never-ending abundance of, of inspiration that's coming at you.
00:17:11.660Like for yourselves, like the whole radio shows, I mean, it, it comes out of just wanting to do it.
00:17:17.040And it will come, and it will come, and it won't, it will never cease really, because there's, there's an endless kind of rotation, you know, coming at you.
00:17:25.180Because you actually are honest about it.
00:17:26.800There's a drive that you're pushing to kind of get answers that you're only right to know about.
00:17:33.560And I think the spirit recognizes that, and then it, that's where it's going to go flow.
00:17:39.460I mean, I, I mean, even just looking at individuals, Steiner and, and Carl Jung, like what they achieved and what they managed to just do for the, because they just felt it was right to do.
00:17:51.700I mean, Carl Jung built his own homestead in Bollingen in, in, in Switzerland.
00:17:56.400And, you know, he called it his maternal hearth, you know, and home is where the hearth is.
00:18:01.300And, and your own body is as a home as well that you have to, you know, you're building it for, you know, for years, make it a good home for itself.
00:18:08.420And some people even argue you're, you're building your soul.
00:18:12.620Like, I mean, there's parts of the body that, I mean, the temple in your own head, you know, if you think of it, there's some really interesting reflections that did exist, but we kind of forgotten about, actually.
00:18:26.000I mean, even when you look at medieval kind of, kind of manuscripts and what they thought about life and the human body.
00:18:32.580And, and a really interesting insight I heard was regarding the memory box that's stored in the back of your neck.
00:18:39.120And it's apparently when that moment, when you want to think of something or trying to remember something.
00:18:44.060So you lift your head up and that's the moment when you lift the lid of the box up, you know, and there's a point in, it is a power point as well at the back of your neck.
00:18:52.900It's, but, you know, we don't look of, we don't look at the body like that, you know, today, particularly in science.
00:19:00.360So do you think, do you think at one point in history in the past that we were supernatural and more magical and that some of these even magical beings could have existed?
00:19:09.820That maybe folklore is more than just storytelling, you know, not just fictional stories.
00:19:48.920And, I mean, coming across information on their, where they go, where they live, where they exist.
00:19:54.880And it's, you know, we have all sorts of names for them.
00:19:58.360And it's in the Scandinavian traditions as well and in Icelandic kind of accounts and in the Irish and the Welsh and the Scottish and in English.
00:20:06.720You know, you have them everywhere, you know, and you have, like, the hill folk, the wee folk of the sea, you know, and it's, you know, you have them existing in areas, pockets of, you know, you have them, the fairy hosts of the sky, slu as sea in the spare, you know.
00:20:24.140And, you know, and the wee gentry of the sea, Usla, Byoga and the Farga, you know, they exist in all these areas.
00:20:32.980And, and also you can't, you know, there was a reluctance to, from what the material that I've been looking at, a reluctance to annoy them, you know, because you were cohabiting the landscape with them.
00:20:46.260So you better not get on their, their heels because they're going to, going to put you in your place.
00:20:52.460And, and there are lots of accounts of abductions, particularly, and changelings.
00:20:57.560And it kind of makes you wonder about the case that people would view the abductions today would be more of the, you know, in the alternative area of the alien abductions as such.
00:21:11.300But, you know, there was a genuine belief of fairy abductions and, and how to prevent that, you know.
00:21:21.140And, but I mean, another thing that kind of, like what, what fascinates me is their awareness of your integrity.
00:21:30.840And if you are into music, particularly, and there's lots of musicians who, who genuinely believe that they receive their gift of music from the, the fairy people, the good people, you know.
00:21:41.080And, and that's what always fascinates me most because these, some of these individuals were incredible musicians, you know.
00:21:48.960So, particularly in the traditional area in Ireland, there is one Ilan Piper from Donegal called Turlock, Turlock Mac Sweeney.
00:21:59.240Now, he said himself, he wasn't a very good piper from the beginning, but he came from a family of like very, you know, excellent pipers.
00:22:08.660And he said himself one time, he, he's actually living up in Guidoar, and Guidoar is where Clannid and Enya are from.
00:22:15.340And that's, in itself, is an amazing landscape.
00:22:18.620It's Donegal, it's, it's kind of like the most northwest, you know, of Ireland.
00:22:24.280And it is an incredible place, really, and it's not as, it's not bombarded by tourism as much as Kerry would be.
00:22:31.660And Kerry, the south of Ireland, is really another area that's quite unusual.
00:22:35.340And he says that he, one night he, he went up to the, it would be said a fairy fort, a rath, an old, an old stone fort.
00:22:45.820And he went up, it could have been a mound fort now or a stone fort, but he went up in the middle of the night and he had his pipes with them.
00:22:53.380And he addressed the, as he said, the fairy, the king of the fairies in that fort.
00:22:58.780And before he even, even spoke out, he had just thought it, he started to hear this music, kind of, and he would just went white in the face and he legged it, you know.
00:23:08.180And he just ran and he ran through the fields and his pipes actually fell halfway.
00:23:12.960So as he was running, parts of his pipes were coming, coming away.
00:23:16.880And he was only left with, I don't know, I think it was just the, it wasn't the chanter, which would have been the actual, you know, the stick, the flute, the voice of the pipes.
00:23:26.420But it would, I think it was the bellows, that's all, that was all he had around him.
00:23:42.960And he went back the following day and, and traveled back that journey up to the fort, like a procession back up there.
00:23:51.720And he, to his own, like amazement, as soon as he started to play, the chanter was just alive.
00:23:58.880And he became, I mean, his, the gift of music had been given to him, you know.
00:24:03.480And that was his account of, of how he gained his gift.
00:24:08.520And he was seen as quite a, how do you say, kind of, of a, quite of a distant man, you know, because he, he had his own kind of understanding of how he got his own gift.
00:24:19.560But he was fully aware of these things.
00:24:21.180And even at his time, he was seen as a bit odd.
00:24:24.060But what I find most fascinating about him was that he wasn't at all intimidated by the local priest, you know.
00:24:29.720Whereas most people would have been genuflecting and out of fear, they would be kind of, you know, you know, they, they wouldn't ever challenge such a man of, of high power status.
00:24:39.220But this Piper, you know, he had this, as you could say, a freedom or kind of, he knew the kind of natural laws, as it were.
00:24:47.700You know, he just, he understood that we're all on an equal level here, you know.
00:24:52.800And no matter what, you know, high king you are, you know, we're all of the same spiritual kind of integrity, really.
00:25:10.640So, yeah, equal playing field, I suppose.
00:25:14.340Yeah, it's, it's, I think when it comes to information or those who gather the information for themselves and don't disseminate it freely, because they know that it would free people.
00:25:24.080They just keep it for themselves to kind of feel that they are more important or they just, it's, that's a, that will actually fall back because it just doesn't work like that, you know.
00:25:34.360Because freedom, knowledge is for everyone.
00:25:38.700And, you know, when, like, even looking back on, regarding Terry Broadman, when he was speaking about, when he did a talk back in London for the, was it the AV2 seminar?
00:25:55.900And he, he brought up one individual, a man called Bertrand Russell, and his book on the impact of science on the society in 1953.
00:26:07.180And, you know, it was really interesting that Terry brought this man up because he was highlighting this, the kind of control or deciding how to control a society and how a society should be kind of geared towards their goal, their aim goal.
00:26:23.760And what blew my mind was when, out of the three ways of securing a society, whether it be birth control, infanticide, wars, but the third being that general misery would have been an ingredient to control this, the perfect society.
00:26:41.760Yeah, and it was the, except for a powerful minority, they would never be touched by this misery.
00:26:48.720But creating a world so miserable that beings would not want to wish to return, you know, and this can, and this concerns what has been manifested, you know, and how the power of thought really, and how just that thought can manifest more than you realize.
00:27:05.000If you have all the effort and, and, and, and, and, and the realization, you know, that thought is, is very powerful.
00:27:11.180And even if all are miserable, all believe themselves to be happy because the government will tell them that that is so.
00:27:17.620And the government being the governors of the mind, you know, and it's this kind of withholding an awareness for people of their own divinity, their own divine greatness.
00:27:30.940And it's, you can tap into this with the art, the artistic kind of expressions, you know.
00:27:50.980I mean, it's, it definitely comes through the music as well, because it's, if it's for the band that they wish, the first, the main ingredient, they like the artwork and I like their music.
00:28:13.500It's mostly, they'll ask me for a design for an album cover and hopefully it's generally a vinyl release because I love vinyl sleeves.
00:28:21.920And I mean, again, I forgot to mention like metal or rock, you know, or prog rock on, in the seventies and late sixties, seventies, the incredible kind of psychedelic, you know, images that were just being spewed out onto these, onto these sleeves, you know, and just never ending kind of creative of stew, you know, that was, that was stirring.
00:28:49.300And I mean, from the Thin Lizzy covers that were mostly done by Jim Fitzpatrick and he himself is, is, is known for his interest in mythology cycles of Ireland.
00:28:59.420But, uh, other artists such as, um, Frank Frazetta, uh, incredible artist.
00:29:05.580And of course he, a lot of his work was seen on Molly Hatchett, but you know, it's his, uh, his, his, he was another fascinating individual.
00:29:14.220And, um, Michael Whelan that designed, uh, it was, he did a lot of sci-fi, um, designs.
00:29:22.300When it comes to, um, metal bands, uh, metal artwork on sleeve albums, uh, the vinyl, um, sleeves, I mean, uh, and the bands that most inspired me, uh, again, going back to the mythologies, um, Manila Road, particularly, and Curtis Ungol.
00:29:41.100And, um, Manila Road used Jim Fitzpatrick's, um, artworks and, and, but even at that, they, they really explored, um, all areas of, um, like Arthurian legends and such.
00:29:54.180And, and this is a, uh, you know, a metal band from Kansas, you know, so they were really deep into stuff that, uh, but it's kind of an underground cult following that you kind of, can't not put a praise the effort and the labor of love.
00:30:06.240And again, a lot of these bands, it's a labor of love.
00:30:08.420These guys are not rich guys and that's not what they aim for.
00:30:11.200Um, it keeps them sane, you know, and Curtis Ungol, um, heavily influenced by Tolkien, but they also love their thin Lizzy.
00:30:18.020And they had this kind of, uh, they used, um, uh, Michael Whelan's artworks, which Michael Whelan had done for Michael Moorcock, you know, uh, the Elric, uh, material and, uh, sci-fi definitely intermingles with the fantasy and that metal, metal loves to kind of rant on about.
00:30:37.540Uh, and, you know, as metal is so massive, it's, it's so broad, you have genres that are completely unlike each other and yet it's under one heading.
00:30:46.820And it's, uh, but like, as I was telling you, it is a very honest type of music and the mainstream metal is just crap and everyone knows that.
00:30:57.220You know, that's the stuff that does get aired sometimes and it's not, even the mainstream metal festivals, I'm not, I would kind of shy away from big time.
00:31:05.560Uh, it's always the smaller underground gigs, um, you know, underground as well, you're always going to get a bit of clicks involved.
00:31:11.640But to be honest, it's, uh, I, I've always really enjoyed, um, some of the bands I have, I've been lucky enough to see that I would have never thought I would have seen.
00:31:20.280But, um, Black Sabbath as well, uh, did get some really interesting album sleeves.
00:31:26.240And, uh, one of their artists, Drew, uh, Drew Struzan, who, um, did Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath.
00:31:32.320And Drew Struzan did the artwork for Blade Runner.
00:31:35.320And he also did the artwork for Back to the Future, you know.
00:31:37.760So you're getting individuals that are actively involved, you know, in, in some of the film posters that were mainstream and were mega blockbusters.
00:31:46.240And it's, it's funny how sometimes these minglings kind of, uh, kind of intertwine, like, but, um, no, I mean, it's the, uh, again, it's, it goes back and forth.
00:31:58.240And some of the, uh, lesser well-known, uh, doom metal, heavy, just heavy, heavy, heavy rock, essentially, it's at a very slow pace.
00:32:07.540Um, that's influenced a lot by Black Sabbath.
00:32:10.460Uh, some of the artwork that they would have chosen, that was how, that was the key for me to find out more interesting artists.
00:32:16.540And these were the forgotten, uh, dead artists that, uh, are now coming, are getting more praise now.
00:32:22.440But, uh, these were the guys from the 20th century, the, the beginning of the 20th century, the, the golden age of illustration.
00:32:28.020Um, when you really saw this, then they were delving into all these legends and myths and, and, uh, and acknowledging them.
00:32:35.660And, you know, again, it's coming into this, when, at the turn of the last century, there really was a realization of this heavy materialism that was taking over.
00:32:47.240And, um, you could see that there were those who were, well, the cult circles definitely were aware of this as well, you know.
00:32:54.860Um, but, I mean, it's something that you kind of have to, you know, you question, uh, this mass materialism.
00:33:05.040That's, it really has stripped the spiritual endeavor, you know, and Rudolf Steiner was, again, ahead of his game, ahead of so much from, from the time that he was even talking about this.
00:33:16.940And as, uh, Terry Boardman had, had pointed out, uh, one of these lectures that Rudolf Steiner had, had, uh, had done, had that, that were recorded.
00:33:25.380And Steiner said, the aim, the aim of, of mass materialism and this media control as well, which is such a hypnotic thing, it's hypnotizing everyone.
00:33:36.100Uh, the aim to send a wave of materialism over the earth and make the physical plane the only valid one.
00:33:41.640A spiritual world is to be recognized only in terms of what the physical plane has to offer, you know.
00:33:46.940So, you're, you're kind of, it's, the dismissiveness, uh, that you see a lot with the secularized material, it kind of, uh, you know.
00:33:57.980And it's getting, it's getting much worse.
00:34:02.220And, I, I mean, I, I'm not even, I, I, you know, I was born in 1984 and already that year rings, you know, kind of can send, send shivers down ones back.
00:34:12.760But, I mean, I, I, I, it was, again, it's freedom that, the, the imagination that can get, that's unlocked, um, when you start delving into music that, and, and artwork that hasn't really been, uh, broadcasted.
00:34:28.600I always love finding, um, individuals who are not well known for some of their incredible works, you know.
00:34:35.260Well, usually the incredible artists won't be well known.
00:35:40.660What, what, this is, doesn't mean anything to me.
00:35:42.420I mean, 13 years, 14 years in the education system and I, I haven't, I didn't gain anything from it.
00:35:49.320I mean, I wasn't a good writer and I'm still a bit wobbly, but I mean, um, there was, I, I could have, I should have been an apprentice or something, you know, for those 13 years.
00:36:36.780It's like all kids are supposed to learn every single subject matter instead of just honing in on their one specific talent and becoming an expert in that.
00:36:46.500What you're good at, do what you're good at.
00:36:49.240And, um, and, uh, you know, I, I naturally had to kind of go towards what I was good at because I wasn't the sharpest in other areas.
00:36:57.700And the judgment that you get is kind of like, you're always going to be seen as a bit odd or strange if you are an artist because you're just speaking a different language to the other people, you know?
00:37:08.960And, and you will come up, and this is the amazing thing.
00:37:11.940You will come across people who actually get it, you know, who actually understand where you're coming from.
00:37:17.200And you, it kind of reaffirms to you, my God, you're not alone at all.
00:37:20.780And isn't it, probably you find it's mostly more intuitive people that you can read on that level because it's beyond language.
00:37:27.300It's a whole other kind of communication.
00:37:31.320I mean, I mean, the fact that I've gone to certain countries and just turning around and chatting to someone and then just saying something that it continues a conversation and opening up a whole, you know, area of discourse.
00:37:44.180You just, this material that we're talking about now, that'd be the stuff that they'd want to kind of speak out about as well.
00:37:51.540There exists definitely a timelessness in the creative expression, when you're in that creative process, whether it is through art, whether it's through music.
00:38:03.360And you do get, you know, there are times when you do get a mental block.
00:38:07.400You do get an artistic block, a writer's block, and you don't know where you're going to, you're going to go.
00:38:12.840You need, you have a deadline, and deadlines are a pain in the neck because it doesn't work like that.
00:38:17.200You know, you either get that inspiration, that muse comes when you least expect, but when you, when you got it, you're on a, you're on a, you're on a flow, a quick flow.
00:38:27.340But you can't calculate when you're going to get inspired.
00:38:35.440It's either you can tap in quicker than you can, I mean, there are influences that can definitely get you in tune fast.
00:38:42.980But I think it could be tide when the tide comes in or when it's out.
00:38:48.320You just have to, I, to be honest with you, it's still a bit of a mystery to me, you know.
00:38:52.260But I, it's easier to kind of settle into that creative process in, after midnight, and, and it really kicks in around half too.
00:39:04.540Because everyone else is kind of quieting down.
00:39:06.240Maybe their astral bodies aren't so busy, so it's like, yes, I get some space, you know.
00:39:10.200There's no distractions that are caving in on you, you know, it's, you're not getting, you know, it's hard to have a disciplined concentration span with, in the way, in the world that we're living now.
00:39:23.720Because there's so many things all on at once.
00:39:26.780I kind of do envy some of the people from way back who didn't have these distractions that we're being bombarded with now, you know.
00:39:36.600Definitely, I don't watch television, but you're definitely, the television's always on somehow in the background.
00:39:45.520And just the whole setup or the whole environment where you're living, you know, we don't have pure quietness, you know.
00:39:52.460You can barely see the stars sometimes, you know.
00:39:55.720It's only when you get out into the countryside that you realize your environment really makes up, can really shift you into a different kind of mode.
00:40:08.540And it is important to get out now and again to kind of get yourself out of this routine that we're all stuck in.
00:40:14.940And it's tough because it is sometimes how you make your living.
00:40:19.500But there's a lot more going on and we are definitely being distracted.
00:40:23.560This is the thing with the whole materials and the material world.
00:40:25.700We're being sidetracked a lot because, you know, from getting to the answers that we need to get to in life, you know.
00:40:33.980Because you do have a purpose and you agree to do certain things, clearly, because you wouldn't be here otherwise.
00:40:40.060And there's this kind of over dismissiveness, oh, we're just these things, we're just here and we'll be gone before we know it.
00:40:47.220But, I mean, it is precious time that's given to you.
00:40:50.500It is something you have to, I don't know, start getting an inner awareness.
00:40:57.940And there's so many challenges thrown at you.
00:41:01.920But I think people are more able for it than they realize.
00:41:07.280I mean, again, it goes back to the music being and the artwork as kind of reminders, kind of putting, making you stand back and looking at this whole picture.
00:41:16.360And also, what is inevitable, your health or awful tragedies that happen.
00:41:23.320Time will stop for a few minutes and you just wonder what is going on.
00:41:28.260Where, like, what is this all about, you know?
00:41:47.100That's what a few people have said to me.
00:41:49.660There's something very dark but beautiful.
00:41:52.020And I suppose what's really coming out in the artwork, and again, it's in communication with the music, the mood that I'm getting off the music.
00:42:02.040You know, what's in the dark is generally what's overshadowed and probably what's being ignored.
00:42:06.220You know, what people are walking away from and what people are not addressing.
00:42:11.520And whatever way it's manifesting to whatever figure personality, I suppose it's making a stand in a way to kind of maybe remind some people or someone that there's something else to maybe look at a bit more closely.
00:42:30.340I mean, I know I'm being a bit vague, but I mean, you know, it's what's in the shadows is not necessarily evil.
00:43:06.020But, I mean, you are, again, at those liminal hours, midnight onwards.
00:43:10.680That is the time of the supernatural, as it were.
00:43:14.280And, you know, what we would know, particularly of the good people, the fairy people, that is their time to kind of be out and about.
00:43:20.280Trying to reflect back on the creative process and how you get into that groove of creating.
00:43:29.260I mean, you have to also look at other examples, other people who are caught in this, not necessarily caught, but kind of communicate with this kind of, this group, this flow.
00:43:41.580And, I mean, Joseph Campbell explains that, you know, he has two ways of writing.
00:43:49.680And one way is a very programmed way where he knows exactly what he's going to write.
00:43:53.100And, you know, that's great, grand standard stuff.
00:43:56.520But, as he would say, the wonderful thing is when he gets a certain beam that hits that level of mythic inspiration.
00:44:02.000And from there, he knows about three words ahead of what he's going to say.
00:44:06.760And when he's writing, it's like he's, he knows he's on a groove.
00:44:10.000And it feels like a wonderful thing happening there.
00:44:27.700Creation agreed for its own freedom to be able to be limitless in its expression and within responsibility, of course, because you just can't do what you want to do.
00:45:03.780It's like, you know, again, going back to what Terry Boardman had pointed out regarding Bertrand Russell,
00:45:10.600this how to make the ideal society for themselves, how they would like us to be built for their long-term goals, you know, their service for something else, which its aim, its definite aim, which is kind of, it's a bit arrogant, incredibly arrogant, but also missing the whole point of creation and what the purpose of it is.
00:45:38.740I mean, you know, well, we have been, but it doesn't fall back on itself somehow because that's not the point of this whole existence.
00:45:49.460And we're caught in, yeah, you could say a prison planet in a way, but there are ways of kind of going around it, I feel.
00:45:58.640And, you know, you do have to be aware, you are open to a lot of influences and elements, and you have to be aware of certain things that can trigger you.
00:46:08.140And within the whole inspiration domain, you know, there are good and bad sides always.
00:46:13.940You just have to go with your inner instinct.
00:46:15.660And there was a point, a really important point, I remember Jordan Maxwell referring to.
00:46:22.020When it comes to words, words can have so many meanings, just one word alone.
00:46:26.420When he spoke about gut being the word for God in Swedish, but gut, gut, G-U-T-H is voice in Irish.
00:46:35.440And, you know, gut is your gut instinct, but gut is also your voice.
00:46:50.520I partly blame that on a lot of the chemicals we put on our body and eat, things we breathe in the air.
00:46:58.220Yeah, it's this whole kind of, it's kind of controlling aspects of one, you know.
00:47:04.420It's kind of leveling a person out, you know, not making them too, too passionate or too, you know, just, just kind of droning them out a bit so that they'll be enough to get enough work done, but not enough to kind of really have the energy to kind of start really checking stuff out.
00:47:25.180Because, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, because everyone's too busy, they're too occupied.
00:47:30.060And, I mean, as, as, when I really, when the curtain fell for me and I was totally blown away about potential or obvious things that have been going on for a long time.
00:47:43.260And, and, and, you know, a lot of people, friends of mine had just, well, just a few people just said, Elaine, I'm too busy.
00:47:49.680I've got too many things on my plate at the moment.
00:47:52.360But, but I'm like, yeah, but you can, you not, can you not just, just pay attention to this, just, just consider this or look at this maybe, just reflect on this for a while.
00:48:00.300Because things don't seem to be making any sense.
00:48:02.900You know, we're only here for a very short time.
00:48:05.020And, you know, at the age of 40, if you've made up your mind already about what life's about, you're missing a huge chunk of what the, of what possibly it is more than what you think.
00:48:25.600It's not even, as I said, the twinkling in the eye of a star, you know, it's a very young time to be here, a small, a very short time to be here to kind of figure out everything.
00:48:35.580And, and we are accelerating the age faster than you could believe.
00:48:40.600And I think, I don't even think we're living longer than they said that we would live for.
00:48:44.600Because people, everyone's picking up so many very odd diseases are kind of being formed and shaped in all sorts of ways.
00:48:53.420You know, and I think, again, going back again, the, the real genuine importance of just paying attention to what people looked,
00:49:04.060the way people viewed life and how mythologies came around that.
00:49:11.560And I mean, it's always the material you never hear that I'm always, I always want to hear more about.
00:49:17.460And, and, you know, when, when regards to traditional music, music of the people, you know, that they played, you know, fairy music is one signal of the very profound impact it had on human beings.
00:49:30.100And I'm, I am really fascinated about how the supernatural kind of gives, it's kind of, kind of communicates to ordinary people when they want to listen to it.
00:49:42.680And you'll hear it without a shadow of a doubt.
00:49:44.940I mean, there's artists, there's one Scottish artist called John Duncan, and he genuinely believed he heard fairy music, you know, within his ears.
00:49:53.620And, and some of the, again, the musicians that I absolutely admire, they acknowledge this, you know, they're not ruining it out.
00:50:36.880I mean, it's up to you to create that truly uniqueness through your own eyes, I suppose.
00:50:41.820And to gain, just gather the inspiration and the influences that are offered to you on a, on a, on a massive plate, you know, that we keep chucking away, you know.
00:50:50.700We're just trying to turn our back onto it because, um, you know, we just, I don't know, want to watch Big Brother or something, you know.
00:51:01.600It's, I, I, I mean, I, it's, I think it's a, it's a yes and a no at the same time, you know.
00:51:09.460Um, it's a hard one to kind of answer.
00:51:13.220So are there any Irish pre-Christian traditions that really speak to you?
00:51:19.540Um, I suppose pre-Christian, uh, pre-Christian traditions.
00:51:24.480Um, well, I mean, the awareness of, um, holy wells, which became holy wells, but the acknowledgement of, uh, uh, certain springs being sacred and that people would visit them and that, that the water itself had purine qualities and that the, the plants that surrounded these lakes and wells were also of medicinal goodness, you know.
00:51:47.600Um, that's something that I, it's still continued, but I mean, again, um, weed killers, you know, we've lost a lot of natural plants because of, um, weed killings, uh, weed killers.
00:51:59.980And, um, biodynamic farming is also a very interesting area that I would love to kind of pursue more.
00:52:06.280But if you look at the whole, uh, GM, uh, seeds, GM crops, you can be totally assured that there's nothing in those that would, I mean, that's almost like killing off the, the natural kind of.
00:52:19.580They, they, they, they alter organs inside of cows and pigs.
00:52:24.860Yeah, it's, I mean, when, when you start messing with the, when you start messing with the, the natural beings, you know, I, I don't know if it's, the, the outcome's going to be particularly healthy.
00:52:36.860And we are going through this, it's a bizarre machine kind of, uh, progression, isn't it?
00:52:42.400I mean, we're just, again, this, uh, labor force that has to do stuff that isn't, it was a bit, it just doesn't, I, I don't get it.
00:52:50.200I really just don't get it because we're, we're not machines and yet we're kind of almost conditioned that we should be.
00:52:56.720And we have to be improved and updated all the time.
00:52:59.260It's like, as if we're just not good enough, you know, you have to get better because what we are, what we have, what we've been born with is absolutely incredible.
00:53:05.860We are, what we have, our whole anatomy is actually a really fascinating thing.
00:53:11.740Yeah, we're just, we're just not utilizing the entire machine.
00:53:15.420Yeah, it's like, it's, we're being compared to artificial intelligence.
00:53:20.500I mean, that just doesn't have the, the, the spiritual link that we have.
00:53:25.340And that's the thing about materialism.
00:53:26.900It wants to disassociate the human being from its spiritual and soul, you know, um, aspects, you know.
00:53:35.860And the higher self that, that you have, that link, that your own connection that you have to your own higher, own higher consciousness.
00:53:42.480And, uh, I, I don't know if machines have that link.
00:53:45.440And, and, you know, I, I, you know, it's, it's funny how that's, what's, what we're gearing towards, you know.
00:53:51.280Uh, because you could break, you break away then from that whole control paradigm, you know, that whole, it would break away their whole, what they want to manifest.
00:54:02.160It would crumble so fast because you realize it's, it's just a pathetic attempt to, and it has, there's been many hijacks.
00:54:10.040But, I mean, it, you know, you should be able to see through that when you realize the greatness that you bestow, you know.
00:54:18.180And everyone, though, everyone has this.
00:54:22.360And, uh, it's, it is actually really appalling how we've even allowed the media, people work within the media and are feeding off each other, you know, in this really weird, uh, control way.
00:54:33.520I mean, regarding, um, the kind of flirt, flirtatious use of, um, occult symbolism, um, distorted symbols, particularly, which really a symbol is, is coded information that is speaking to your consciousness, you know.
00:54:50.760And because you are, it, something is tapping into you.
00:54:53.820And if it is distorted, it's basically an untruth that's hitting you on a level that, you know, you genuinely should expect things to be truthful.
00:55:03.520You know, if they're in that, in that form, you know, it's, it's a, it's a lethal kind of sorcery in a way.
00:55:11.680And, again, you just have to try not to be naive, again, of these things.
00:55:18.660There's lots of mysteries, but I don't think everything should be a mystery.
00:55:21.680I genuinely think this information should be, uh, free to, to just take, uh, filter as you should, uh, just listen to it and take from it what you think is right, you know.
00:55:34.800Um, not to believe everything that's, that you're told, um, but to be open-minded as much as you possibly can, you know.
00:55:42.080Do you think a lot of these advertising companies who use some of these occult symbols, do you think they know what they're doing or is it just kind of trendy?
00:55:48.540I think they do and they don't. It's, uh, I mean, at, at the, at the core elements of it, I do genuinely believe they know what they're using.
00:55:58.460And, and, and also the color frequencies.
00:56:00.300I mean, color is an incredible way to kind of, um, get at people.
00:56:05.440And, and you are tapping into even different realm energies with certain colors, you know.
00:56:10.900Uh, red being very more, um, mental lower chakra area.
00:56:15.660And if you have all these incredible, you know, violets and turquises and all these incredible azurites, all these really very, uh, you know, that they're, they're speaking at you.
00:56:26.420You know, they're, they're really drawing you in and, uh, that's purposely done without a shadow of a doubt.
00:56:32.760Uh, you, you just have to become more fluently aware of it.
01:00:27.640It's, it's really stiff and, and really, it's, it's almost, it's just a shame that the point of it wasn't about, uh, listen, abundance should be given to everyone.
01:00:39.760You know, money is, just seems to be the thing that everyone, it's, it's the, it's what works in the economy.
01:00:45.360It used to be cattle in Ireland for hundreds of years.
01:00:50.280And, you know, when one thing is, when it's decided, this is the thing that we can get what we want with.
01:00:55.800I mean, it, it, it gets out of control, you know.
01:00:59.540And, I think, again, when you're creating with music, when you are creating these things, it's, it's not, you can't put a price on it.
01:01:10.120And, it's a very hard thing, actually, to kind of.
01:01:12.060No, but at the same time, you have to eat, if you want to keep creating.
01:02:11.300So, if music and art of today could tell a story that one day might be preserved into some kind of mythology, what story would that tell?
01:02:18.080Well, I, I could say that the mythology that would be, that would reflect of what's been happening of this day, it's two forces definitely going head to head.
01:02:30.540And, one wishing complete freedom for all, and the other standing for complete control.
01:02:39.200And, I mean, we're never, we never really know enough about the control side.
01:02:43.640What is this aim, this goal for complete control?
01:03:35.760And, I think it's, the mythology, I think, is repeated a few times.
01:03:41.700But, it's, it's always at a different epoch, really, you know, epoch.
01:03:47.400And, it's, again, it's, it's the, I wouldn't like to say the good versus the evil, because that, that can be quite misleading, you know.
01:03:59.320But, I think those who serve are quite self-serving versus those who are, are geared to kind of try and go with the natural laws of creation.
01:04:12.980And, and that's as simple and abstract as I could, as I could put it.
01:04:18.120But, the music and art, I mean, you have two sides.
01:04:21.240You have those who, who are in, in this act of, of creation, with creation, who freely play and perform to what's given to them or just comes to them.
01:04:33.780And, in full respect of what's being passed down to them as well.
01:04:38.280And, and then you have the monster, which is the music industry, which doesn't understand music or the point of it at all.
01:04:46.860But, they seem to feel that they are the custodians to control it and, you know.
01:04:51.980See, I would say that I think that they do know, because some of the repetition, the use of beats and certain pitches and all that, it is very hypnotic and trance-like.
01:05:00.560It's like, oh, let's just kind of keep them in this kind of lower chakra place all the time.
01:05:04.260Absolutely right. You actually, you hit the nail on the head there, because it, it is definitely, there are definitely our ingredients, without a shadow of a doubt, that kind of keep us in this kind of box, as it were, you know.
01:05:17.160And, they definitely use those elements.
01:05:20.800But, you know, the, the, the, the musicians, the, the, the artists who really kind of break past those boundaries, you never will see them supported.
01:05:29.720Well, you never see them, like, with the, the major labels.
01:05:32.620I have to say, there's two musicians who, who are alive still today, who are a great inspiration in the Irish tradition.
01:05:41.400A musician and singer called Liam Amwayley and a piper called Paddy Keenan.
01:05:45.880And, they went to a festival, I think it was in Mali.
01:05:48.800The documentary was called Festival of the Desert.
01:05:51.000Desert. And, basically, all the nomadic tribes assemble.
01:05:55.420And, they're all various different ethnicities.
01:07:57.760But, I mean, I mean, like, as Jung says, you know, and I think you can get it through, you know, there's art that I don't like, simply because there's something about it that just doesn't speak to me.
01:08:10.460And, like, sometimes it is just a pure opinion.
01:08:12.700But, when it's telling, speaking to you on a level that really is speaking to you and is trying to tell you, remind you of really where you're going.
01:08:21.960And, that you had agreed to something that you have to fulfill.
01:08:26.560I mean, you have to develop, you know, you have to develop the things that you need to develop.
01:08:33.040And, as Jung said, like, what we need is the development of the inner spiritual man, the unique individual whose treasure is hidden in the symbols of our mythological tradition and in man's unconscious psyche, you know.
01:08:46.140Like, these things are, you can't walk away from it.
01:08:50.640And, like, all the technology advancements that are coming are not solving the problems of the world, you know.
01:09:00.720They're not solving our deepest problems.
01:10:04.180I don't see this, you know, kind of consideration for others who are just of a different opinion, you know.
01:10:11.880Yeah, I definitely see that in this field, too, even amongst alternative research.
01:10:16.060It's like, where's the kindness and the patience and the compassion?
01:10:19.900And if someone is off on a specific detail, you know, just send a nice little chatty email and say, hey, by the way, instead of just attacking people.
01:10:55.880It really is shown to be a talent because so few do listen, you know.
01:10:59.960And being as open-minded as possible and not, you know, it is hard when something, you know, finding information that you'd never heard about before.
01:11:09.660And it blows you, it blows you away so much that you go, this is the gospel of the knowledge.
01:11:44.400Because we are, it's easy for us to be all let astray in the mayhem of it, in the chaos, you know.
01:11:55.020And just not pausing for those split seconds going, hold on a minute.
01:11:58.840I mean, there are so many kind of consorts.
01:12:04.680Well, there's so many things that are trying to, there are lots of counterparts that are trying to get us off what we need to be going to, you know.
01:12:13.340That's why I think in this time it's kind of key to listen to the spirit of truth.
01:12:17.880That's kind of the time that we've moved into.
01:12:26.980That's, it's following that, that inner voice, that gut feeling again.
01:12:30.900And that you are, you know, you do have that connection to, to all of this.
01:12:35.540I mean, never let some medium, some, some person that get in the way of that deep connection that you already have, that you have a right to.
01:12:44.440It's, you have a direct line, you know.
01:14:30.460And I think, yeah, this is another thing.
01:14:32.160And they're just the, the usual ones we always hear about, you know, you know, like ISIS or, you know, you have Zeus and all the, the pantheon of all the gods and all the cultures.
01:14:45.280But I'm almost fascinating about, almost fascinated by hearing the, the, the names I don't generally come across most, you know, often.
01:14:53.020And, and, and it's just a little interest I have, you know, in, in, in checking it out.
01:14:58.600But, but like going back to, like looking over the evolution for myself, my own, the own, the journey I've made so far, I have a long way to go with still.
01:15:12.060I mean, um, the material that, the, the artwork that I've done mostly on, on, on my, on my website, um, it's, it's for a couple of bands and it's mostly, again, doom rock.
01:15:23.060Uh, it's, it's that heavy, heavy, heavy bass, um, kind of chunky, slow rhythm sounds that it's a real lower chakra, uh, kind of buzz to it.
01:15:33.400And, um, but my, the, the thing is that the artwork is always changing all the time and, uh, you know, it, it never, I don't wish to it ever to stay stagnant, you know.
01:15:46.800It has to keep evolving more and more and I, and I'm not gonna aim to have a style specifically.
01:15:54.840The only thing I know is that it's coming out of my, it's coming out of me somehow and it is what it is, you know.
01:16:01.980And, um, I totally embrace, um, everyone else that does their own thing.
01:16:06.600And competition, this is another thing that stifles some of the most incredible minds and incredible artists.
01:16:12.460And it drives you, competition will drive you and, and stresses you to get to, uh, to strive to that potential.
01:16:20.100But the jealousy that comes within the competition actually is the killer because you forget to embrace that other person's, that, their own expression,
01:16:30.260which again is part of the whole creation that, you know, that's speaking back to you, you know.
01:16:34.960And that's, that's something that I find with some of the most incredible minds, incredible musicians, artists, et cetera, et cetera.
01:16:58.060It really does, um, stop, um, it just stifles the progress, you know.
01:17:05.560Well, whatever that progress it is, you know.
01:17:10.200But, um, uh, to kind of, uh, bring up, by the way, um, when it comes to music and archaeology,
01:17:19.720musical instruments are something that I'm, I am really fascinated about.
01:17:23.400Uh, archaeo, archaeo musicology is an incredible subject and, uh, hearing about the Neanderthal flute find,
01:17:32.420it was found in Serbia in a cave and it was on, um, I think it was a bear's femur.
01:17:37.640And it, this, this is a Neanderthal flute that when played, it echoes something that it's, it's happening right now.
01:17:47.060You know, it's like of this moment, it's completely contemporary, you know.
01:17:51.220We have this, uh, fixed opinion that things in the past were completely, you know, devolved and, and, you know, just, you know, just unsophisticated and uncreative, you know.
01:18:02.800Uh, very kind of narrow-minded opinion.
01:18:06.380But when you look at the material that happily has survived because the stuff that hasn't survived that did exist,
01:18:12.940we can't even bring up because they say it didn't exist, you know.
01:18:15.620But it's, the stuff that is there staring at our faces, um, again, is another kind of message of the, the development or, or the, the human story of where we've come to now.
01:18:29.160And, and, and, and kind of, it, it kind of might echo some of the research people are trying to bring to the, to, to the foreground of the calamities or the changes or these, you know, the, what really happened?
01:18:42.820What really, what did really go on then, you know, what has shaped to where we are now?
01:18:48.280And, um, you know, that, that's what I find really fascinating, um, when I, when we look at some of, some of this material.
01:18:59.340I just wanted to get your take on 2012, the end of the Mayan calendar.
01:19:04.740Yeah, the, it's, well, uh, when I first heard about it, um, it's, you know, it's one of those things that, of course, I want to know a lot more about it.
01:19:15.720I, I mean, it was just really interesting.
01:19:19.720I felt, well, this is something that it, this, this, we're all part of this, you know, so I have to check this out.
01:19:24.180And, um, my own personal opinion on it would be that, uh, without a shout, without a shadow of a doubt, there's definitely going to be, um, massive changes.
01:19:36.100Um, but it's not what we would assume as they are.
01:19:39.280I mean, there's just a lot of chaos going on at the moment in all, most, most of the countries, particularly within the political area.
01:19:46.180area and what I, I, I can just see this, uh, there's a lot of the, you know, I can see things falling, um, apart in a way.
01:19:57.620I think that the cards are falling bit by bit.
01:20:01.000Um, it's, it's a really tough one, Lana, because one part of you thinks there's, I don't know if there's, uh, if there's a lot of honesty.
01:20:13.500I mean, I don't think people are, uh, actually lying about what they, they know, but I mean, I don't think, I think we're getting bombarded left, right and center and we're being put off track big time on what possibly could be happening.
01:20:27.460And there's many, uh, but outcomes, um, but any specific feelings you have?
01:20:39.260I don't believe it's going to be this big, um, massive kind of, uh, the earth rotating in a, in a massive scale or anything, but I, I, I could see changes.
01:20:50.240I mean, there has, it has been said that the sun is, is acting up quite a lot and, you know, if it's a case that the sun might be soon dying, well, I, I can't see much life on the earth.
01:21:02.200You know, I think, uh, a lot of animals will want to reincarnate or get the hell out of here.
01:21:07.740You know, I, I don't think anyone will be along or will be around here for much longer if that is the, the case.
01:21:13.880But, uh, the 2012, um, phenomenon, it's right now it's left me really baffled.
01:21:21.400And I actually, I was thinking about it so much a couple of years back that I haven't been thinking about it at all.
01:21:47.780Yeah, I mean, well, I, you could definitely sense that there's, uh, I wouldn't discredit that every couple of thousand years, something, the gates are opening or they're closing.
01:22:01.100And that's why there's some race to get something done, whatever that is and whoever it is.
01:22:06.040And those who are of the, again, self-serving nature, who have control or whatever they wanted at their fingertips are possibly really scrambling.
01:22:18.660Because the thing is, most of us have nothing.
01:22:20.780And most of us have nothing really to lose because some of us don't really have much anyway, you know?
01:22:25.180I mean, if you have the ideas in your head and what you, you know, what you just enjoy and love around you.
01:22:31.460And I mean, that's, that will, that always will continue on.
01:22:36.900But those who have these just fixation on material things and have all this, you know, they're just, they, yeah, they are slaves actually themselves because they've, uh, put themselves in a situation.
01:22:47.480They've detached themselves from, they've become completely detached, I think, um, for what really, you know, what's, what's on, what's on the cards.
01:24:03.320Yeah, it's exactly the lie that they keep kind of making another lie to kind of protect that lie that they lied before that lie.
01:24:10.900You know, it's unbelievable, but I mean, I, I, uh, what we as, as ordinary divine beautiful people should realize is that, um, meditating on the visions that you wish to see around you or, you know, you can create what you wish around you.
01:24:33.580You know, you just have, you, we've been conditioned to a degree that we can't, we're, we're incapable of that.
01:24:39.260So they can use all the type of keys they want through the symbols and, and all of that to sell their products, you know, and such and such.
01:25:04.420They just do what they wish to do because that's how they see it is they're, they're like really struggling just to keep on going, you know?
01:25:18.140And as well as that, going back to, um, you know, within metal music, you do tip on, uh, aspects of the occult.
01:25:25.800And, um, it's again, it's a club, I suppose, uh, that I'm not invited to.
01:25:30.620Um, you know, all these kind of clubs that, um, if you're excluded, you just, you can sniff that out for yourself and realize, okay, something's up here.
01:25:39.320You know, if you have to pay allegiance to someone like that, something like that, you know, you know, something's up.
01:25:44.720And, you know, like I remember, for example, Geezer Butler, uh, the, the bassist from Black Sabbath, he, in the earlier days, he was dabbling, as he said, with the occult.
01:25:53.980And this is an innocent kind of night, you know, curiosity.
01:25:56.860That's kind of getting into areas that you have to be a bit more aware of, be more cautious of.
01:26:00.560And, yeah, he was, he said he had dabbled with the Ouija board, maybe, for a bit.
01:26:05.560And he woke up one morning, and he saw the shadowy figure at the end of his bed.
01:26:09.620Now, whatever it was, it was like, uh, state your allegiance or fuck off.
01:26:15.100That was the kind of message he kind of thought.