Radio 3Fourteen - The Artistic Process _ The Spirit of the Times

00:00:00.000 I'll see you next time.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:00.000 She's an extremely talented and high-spirited artist, illustrator, and researcher of Irish folklore and mythology.

00:01:06.740 Elaine is also no stranger when it comes to conspiracy and esoteric subject matters. 1.00

00:01:11.000 She goes under the brush name Scraffio.

00:01:13.540 I describe her artwork as fantastically dark yet enchanting and inviting.

00:01:17.900 You can definitely see the influence of Irish mythology and folklore in her work.

00:01:22.220 Hi Elaine, how are you in Dublin today?

00:01:24.300 How are you, Elaine? It's an absolute pleasure to be on.

00:01:27.380 Go raibh mih laibh maagat. A thousand thanks for giving me the chance to come on out and speak today.

00:01:33.400 So things are good in Dublin. Not too bad. A bit of rain, a bit of sunshine.

00:01:37.000 Same here.

00:01:37.600 Maybe we can begin with your early artistic process and how that began.

00:01:42.620 Yes, the beginnings of the artistic kind of journey, as it were, you know, from the age of three onwards, painting and just drawing and just making a mess of things around me, just painting on walls or on the ground.

00:01:58.900 And that was the first thing I knew I could do really well, and I enjoyed it.

00:02:05.420 And I painted before I could write, before I could tie my shoelace, before I could tell the time, you know.

00:02:11.320 And, you know, I found school, particularly, you know, I could understand that there was parts that I wasn't as good at when it came, you know, academically speaking.

00:02:24.280 But painting and drawing was something that a lot of people around me had noticed that I could do, like, a lot better than most.

00:02:31.500 And as well as that I was left-handed, and you don't really know this until you're really told that, you know, that you're left-handed and you're not, like, of the normal majority in the class.

00:02:45.220 But, you know, from a very young age, it was something that I just loved to flow myself into.

00:02:50.000 And music as well, and painting and just movement, the whole kind of artistic kind of area, it's something that just came more naturally to me.

00:03:03.180 And, you know, in my teenage years, music was something that kept me going and just expanding, getting into areas, genres of music that you wouldn't necessarily hear in the mainstream.

00:03:20.000 And coming across pirate radio and coming across independent music shops and getting hold on music that was put out independently, even if it was dodgy techno, you know, something that was, that it was, there was something about it that just going out and searching for this stuff, material, that was put out there by people that you wouldn't have come across normally.

00:03:40.660 And I found that when it came to the artistic process, it wasn't until I was 19 that I was really aware of that potential of your own kind of expression, that it's an important thing to be aware of.

00:03:59.580 Because I did an art performance after I finished school, and I was pretty disillusioned by a lot of things.

00:04:07.400 And it was just a very interesting moment, really, in my life.

00:04:15.100 It was a bit of a milestone in that I, putting a lot of the frustration and a lot of aggression that you've been building up over that particular time in your life when you're a teenager.

00:04:28.000 You feel you're very much alone, which is an illusion, because you're not alone at all.

00:04:34.080 But you are just burdened by a lot of things.

00:04:36.320 And a lot of things do not make sense, and you don't know how to explain it.

00:04:39.940 And, you know, it's one of those things that creating, whether it's through music, whether it's through art, whether it's through many means of dance, you are kind of getting into touch with something that it is a freedom, in a sense.

00:04:56.920 So would you say there's a sacred element involved in the artistic process?

00:05:00.360 I believe it more now than ever, and I didn't believe it in my teenage years, but I would have been aware of it even as a child.

00:05:09.860 And to even backtrack a bit, when I was 13, I actually sold my first painting, and then again when I was 14.

00:05:16.240 And from the age of 12 up to 15, I was absolutely in love with, you know, the landscape, the natural landscape.

00:05:25.800 I fell in love with, like, romanticism and rural landscapes.

00:05:29.000 And it was all through my mind that I was seeing these images that I wanted to put down onto paper.

00:05:33.360 And most of the students I saw in my art class that I was going to, they were always painting what they saw on a photograph.

00:05:42.120 You know, it is important to kind of study structures, but I was absolutely, I was totally aware of the imaginary world in my younger, in my younger days.

00:05:51.440 And in my teenage times, I just kind of wanted to forget about it because it was seen as if there was nothing, there was no magic in the world.

00:05:57.920 You know, I was just so angry about everything.

00:05:59.860 I had refused or just wanted to ignore aspects of myself that I just can't deny anymore.

00:06:07.580 Yeah, Irish folklore is full of mystical creatures and supernatural people.

00:06:12.340 Absolutely.

00:06:13.040 I mean, when I was eight years of age, that was the real first kind of awakening of stories, of accounts.

00:06:23.060 Like, the Grimm Brothers was nice.

00:06:24.920 I loved hearing the stories about Cinderella and, you know, Red Riding Hood.

00:06:28.680 But when I heard of the legends, like the mythology cycle particularly of Ireland, like the two of the Danann and just certain interchangeable figures that, you know, reincarnation was clear in these stories.

00:06:41.840 You know, the fairy beings, the good people, Nadini Moa, like they existed in all realms, you know, in the world.

00:06:51.320 And, you know, when I started to study, actually, these kind of entities, these beings, the elemental kingdom, even just as a subject itself, you know, there are a lot of truths that come out, particularly even when you look back on the history of the world, the story of humanity.

00:07:09.080 You know, and, you know, when I first heard these stories, it was on tape, it was on a little audio tape, like a nighttime story, which wouldn't be, you know, exactly the best thing when you're eight to hear when you're going to bed.

00:07:22.660 But it was, I loved hearing them by the spoken mouth.

00:07:27.460 And, you know, it's more natural to me to absorb information by hearing it by the ear or hearing it in the moment, the ephemeral.

00:07:34.780 And, you know, Bailagis, Bailagis is the Irish word for folklore.

00:07:40.800 And folklore, the word itself is a bit loaded because it can be kind of condescending, like the lore of the folk, the quaint folk that we don't take seriously.

00:07:49.360 But Bailagis being Bail, the mouth, and Aegis, like of knowledge, knowledge of the mouth, you know, this oral tradition that would continue to be passed on from generation to generation.

00:07:59.520 And you see that everywhere around the world.

00:08:01.260 You know, it's not just, there are certain fragments that still could contain it.

00:08:05.940 I think Ireland's good at keeping the folklore alive, too, even through the Irish drinking songs, whereas other cultures, it's kind of dying off.

00:08:14.440 Well, you know, what's interesting about the ballads and the songs, music was what people, that's all they had, because they didn't have anything else.

00:08:22.160 They had nothing else to kind of get what they wanted to say out, you know, because most couldn't read or write.

00:08:27.840 They weren't entitled to what we all take now for granted, you know, and they could see truths.

00:08:34.760 That's why they were, the enforcement was so strong in them, because their spirit couldn't be broken.

00:08:40.900 But we are all broken now because we don't believe in half the things that we should know about.

00:08:44.920 And true, we're more intoxicated now than ever.

00:08:49.280 You know, it's really interesting how, you know, being, at least be aware of these things, you know, without taking them for granted.

00:08:57.380 And I find that when, in my teenage years, when I didn't, I was just, you just, you go into a dark zone and it's great when you can kind of look back and go,

00:09:11.480 well, you needed to go through that to kind of get back on the other side.

00:09:14.220 It was kind of like going into Hades for a long time and then kind of resurfacing again.

00:09:19.500 But it was true, it's always through these aspects of music and through just visual imagery, images that are a language in themselves.

00:09:30.200 And they're speaking to you in a way that there's something that you just get.

00:09:35.440 It's like, it's really intelligent, you know.

00:09:37.920 And I fell upon these illustration artists, like the golden age of illustration would have been the beginnings of the 20th century.

00:09:46.060 And I had the artist like of Ivan Biliban, who is this Russian artist who illustrated the Slavic folktales of the people.

00:09:54.240 And we had an artist called Harry Clark, who was a stained glass artist, but his illustration work he did for Edgar Allan Poe and Hans Christian Andersen.

00:10:05.320 And, you know, these are grown adults who are getting into areas that are vitally important.

00:10:14.440 And in that they're reminding you of aspects that we were coming to an age that we were beginning to forget again, you know.

00:10:22.200 What aspects are these that we're forgetting right now?

00:10:27.400 Yeah, it's what Carl Jung even speaks about.

00:10:31.240 He states that the fantasy is a fact.

00:10:33.700 It's a form of moving energy.

00:10:36.000 It becomes a reality.

00:10:37.260 And, I mean, mythologies being a series of images that formulate the life of the archetype, you know, you need to be conscious of the aspect of this existence.

00:10:47.620 Because this archetype that, you know, we see in these mythologies that we may relate to, that archetype indeed could be your higher self.

00:10:56.820 I know I'm being kind of vague on that, but it does come out that, you know, when you delve into these things, the richness emerges.

00:11:04.580 And what I remembered, I remembered finally when I came in contact with these stories again, with these mythologies, with the help of music, particularly metal music, metal music.

00:11:15.900 Yeah, I was going to ask about that.

00:11:17.000 You're a big fan.

00:11:17.880 What's the draw there?

00:11:19.540 What's the draw of metal?

00:11:21.720 Well, I mean, if you think of it, metal is, again, it's influenced by blues and it's influenced by folk music.

00:11:27.440 And that's the music of the people.

00:11:28.720 It's the, it's their one way to get what they want to say.

00:11:32.380 And metal is, metal is a massive genre.

00:11:35.600 It's got so many areas in it that branches out and not everything in it that you might like.

00:11:39.960 But what I do appreciate within metal is that it is very honest.

00:11:43.600 It's quite confrontational.

00:11:45.600 Same at punk as well.

00:11:46.580 It's quite confrontational and it's aggravated.

00:11:49.340 But, you know, anger needs a voice.

00:11:51.340 It needs a song.

00:11:52.360 I'd rather listen to that than, you know, Jay-Z or Beyonce.

00:11:55.760 Yeah, that's fake.

00:11:57.220 It's total bubblegum fakeness.

00:11:59.120 And untruthfulness does a lot of harm, you know.

00:12:02.880 The truth is a hard pill to swallow.

00:12:04.760 But at least, you know, at least you know what it is and what it stands for.

00:12:08.340 And it's not, I don't think metal was meant to be nice.

00:12:11.840 And I don't think it's meant to be liked by people.

00:12:14.640 You either get it or you don't.

00:12:15.960 And I found what was interesting about metal, metal gigs in general, they were actually quite welcoming.

00:12:22.600 You know, nobody actually cares who you are or, you know, what clique and scene you're in.

00:12:27.560 I've always observed all the types of music circles because in my teenage years I was heavily into electronica.

00:12:33.800 And, you know, even when I came upon Black Sabbath and, you know, it was only when I wanted to start doing drumming, just the performance itself was a great release.

00:12:46.440 You know, I had to check these bands out again.

00:12:48.560 And hearing the likes of Bill Ward drumming in Black Sabbath, who had this jazzy blues element to it, and then Motorhead, Phil Filthy Animal, you know.

00:12:58.080 He was, there was just such a great, you know, just, just, how do you explain it?

00:13:05.900 Just the thrill of it, you know.

00:13:07.180 So what is it about music?

00:13:09.380 Why is it so powerful, powerful enough to get people to transform and even awaken?

00:13:15.640 I mean, again, it's, you know, either it's echoing memories back to you or it's, it kind of, it kind of hits you.

00:13:27.320 It hits you in a way that it's triggering things, actually.

00:13:30.480 That's what I noticed.

00:13:31.360 And when I am in the process, the creative process, within those hours, those liminal hours, past midnight, before sunrise, you know, or just about when everyone's getting up to work, that's when I'll probably drop a bit.

00:13:45.780 But it's kind of a time that, that's, I think, when the creative process is really alive.

00:13:50.400 And music is, it's just, it's, it gets you into that trance, actually.

00:13:55.360 It's, for me, it's a quick way to get into that trance element.

00:13:57.320 Now, I don't use any psychoactive kind of influences, and I have no problem with them, but I just don't use them because in my own situation, I actually, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be taking anything in my environment that I'm in.

00:14:10.140 It just would be unsuitable for me.

00:14:11.440 So music's kind of your tool.

00:14:12.700 It's a meditational tool to kind of warm you up, to open you up maybe to another realm, and then you can start painting.

00:14:18.880 Yeah, it really, really does.

00:14:20.240 For me, anyway, and I, I mean, I, I don't know what it else is like for anyone else, but it's, it is a very personal thing.

00:14:26.480 It's actually quite sacred.

00:14:27.700 I mean, it's kind of hard to explain it sometimes because it is a very, you can't really put a price to it.

00:14:33.440 And this is where I, I've always been kind of at a tug of war with the whole art world's kind of view.

00:14:40.840 What is art?

00:14:41.440 And it's, I find it a very excluding kind of a world and that I, I could, would never want to be a part of actually, because it, it doesn't actually explain the real point of it.

00:14:53.940 You know, you know, it's, it's, it gets a bit too vague for my liking.

00:14:59.080 And it's also a fake kind of pain and darkness, you know.

00:15:03.380 Yeah, it really does.

00:15:04.320 I mean, I, I believe that you should be able to release what's, what's building up in you definitely on the canvas.

00:15:11.240 But, you know, you know, it's a creative process that it's, you're using an energy that productively really, whereas the art world, they're, they're gaining wealth of people who are talented, you know.

00:15:26.040 And they're not actually doing the artwork themselves, they're just, they're just, they're parasites actually, living off creative people who are not of that business mind likeness.

00:15:34.960 You know, you could be a great artist and a good businessman as well, but I find that it kind of, it's, it's a tough one to kind of balance, I find, because this is priceless, you know.

00:15:46.420 This is not something you could just, you can't equate it with money, you know.

00:15:50.940 It's, it's an abundance of wealth of, of, of imagination, you know.

00:15:56.500 And the imaginary realm is something you can tap into if you respect it fully.

00:16:01.780 And it's something that will definitely open up to you if you agree to co-create with it, you know.

00:16:08.120 And it's more than happy to do that.

00:16:10.820 It, there's no mystery behind it.

00:16:12.220 I think it's, the integrity is what really has to be looked at.

00:16:16.240 And, you know, this, this, this, this intelligence knows this.

00:16:24.340 You can see a mile shot, you know, if you have the integrity or not.

00:16:28.480 And, I mean, even looking at Carl Jung, particularly his Red Book, and it's, it is a really fascinating kind of, his own journey, as it were, through the creative processes.

00:16:42.500 And, you know, it's, he, he himself, it just, you can gain so much from just wanting to just go, go out there and do things that you want to do.

00:16:56.340 That you feel that it's, it's your, you're just, something that's inspiring, pushing you to do something, that it will make you, something, it, you're, you actually get rewarded.

00:17:06.180 It's like an, like a never-ending abundance of, of inspiration that's coming at you.

00:17:11.660 Like for yourselves, like the whole radio shows, I mean, it, it comes out of just wanting to do it.

00:17:17.040 And it will come, and it will come, and it won't, it will never cease really, because there's, there's an endless kind of rotation, you know, coming at you.

00:17:25.180 Because you actually are honest about it.

00:17:26.800 There's a drive that you're pushing to kind of get answers that you're only right to know about.

00:17:33.560 And I think the spirit recognizes that, and then it, that's where it's going to go flow.

00:17:38.060 Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:39.460 I mean, I, I mean, even just looking at individuals, Steiner and, and Carl Jung, like what they achieved and what they managed to just do for the, because they just felt it was right to do.

00:17:51.700 I mean, Carl Jung built his own homestead in Bollingen in, in, in Switzerland.

00:17:56.400 And, you know, he called it his maternal hearth, you know, and home is where the hearth is.

00:18:01.300 And, and your own body is as a home as well that you have to, you know, you're building it for, you know, for years, make it a good home for itself.

00:18:08.420 And some people even argue you're, you're building your soul.

00:18:12.000 Yeah.

00:18:12.440 Yeah.

00:18:12.620 Like, I mean, there's parts of the body that, I mean, the temple in your own head, you know, if you think of it, there's some really interesting reflections that did exist, but we kind of forgotten about, actually.

00:18:26.000 I mean, even when you look at medieval kind of, kind of manuscripts and what they thought about life and the human body.

00:18:32.580 And, and a really interesting insight I heard was regarding the memory box that's stored in the back of your neck.

00:18:39.120 And it's apparently when that moment, when you want to think of something or trying to remember something.

00:18:44.060 So you lift your head up and that's the moment when you lift the lid of the box up, you know, and there's a point in, it is a power point as well at the back of your neck.

00:18:52.900 It's, but, you know, we don't look of, we don't look at the body like that, you know, today, particularly in science.

00:19:00.360 So do you think, do you think at one point in history in the past that we were supernatural and more magical and that some of these even magical beings could have existed?

00:19:09.820 That maybe folklore is more than just storytelling, you know, not just fictional stories.

00:19:15.600 Yeah.

00:19:15.840 I mean, there's always truth in a rumor, you know, and I, I find that it's not that long ago.

00:19:21.700 And I still think there are people who are aware of it, that these supernatural beings, they are very much alive.

00:19:29.340 But, you know, we've created an environment now.

00:19:32.040 We're creating cities that you couldn't imagine them to be.

00:19:35.860 They wouldn't be around there.

00:19:37.040 They're not going to be hanging out in a Soviet gulag, I'll tell you that.

00:19:39.800 No, they're not.

00:19:40.500 None of those high-rise apartment buildings.

00:19:42.320 Yeah, they're getting the hell out of there, you know.

00:19:44.260 They're going, what the, you know, what is this?

00:19:46.860 They're within nature itself.

00:19:48.920 And, I mean, coming across information on their, where they go, where they live, where they exist.

00:19:54.880 And it's, you know, we have all sorts of names for them.

00:19:58.360 And it's in the Scandinavian traditions as well and in Icelandic kind of accounts and in the Irish and the Welsh and the Scottish and in English.

00:20:06.720 You know, you have them everywhere, you know, and you have, like, the hill folk, the wee folk of the sea, you know, and it's, you know, you have them existing in areas, pockets of, you know, you have them, the fairy hosts of the sky, slu as sea in the spare, you know.

00:20:24.140 And, you know, and the wee gentry of the sea, Usla, Byoga and the Farga, you know, they exist in all these areas.

00:20:32.980 And, and also you can't, you know, there was a reluctance to, from what the material that I've been looking at, a reluctance to annoy them, you know, because you were cohabiting the landscape with them.

00:20:46.260 So you better not get on their, their heels because they're going to, going to put you in your place.

00:20:52.460 And, and there are lots of accounts of abductions, particularly, and changelings.

00:20:57.560 And it kind of makes you wonder about the case that people would view the abductions today would be more of the, you know, in the alternative area of the alien abductions as such.

00:21:11.300 But, you know, there was a genuine belief of fairy abductions and, and how to prevent that, you know.

00:21:17.420 Really? I had no idea.

00:21:19.700 Yeah, it's absolutely amazing.

00:21:21.140 And, but I mean, another thing that kind of, like what, what fascinates me is their awareness of your integrity.

00:21:30.840 And if you are into music, particularly, and there's lots of musicians who, who genuinely believe that they receive their gift of music from the, the fairy people, the good people, you know.

00:21:41.080 And, and that's what always fascinates me most because these, some of these individuals were incredible musicians, you know.

00:21:48.960 So, particularly in the traditional area in Ireland, there is one Ilan Piper from Donegal called Turlock, Turlock Mac Sweeney.

00:21:59.240 Now, he said himself, he wasn't a very good piper from the beginning, but he came from a family of like very, you know, excellent pipers.

00:22:08.660 And he said himself one time, he, he's actually living up in Guidoar, and Guidoar is where Clannid and Enya are from.

00:22:15.340 And that's, in itself, is an amazing landscape.

00:22:18.620 It's Donegal, it's, it's kind of like the most northwest, you know, of Ireland.

00:22:24.280 And it is an incredible place, really, and it's not as, it's not bombarded by tourism as much as Kerry would be.

00:22:31.660 And Kerry, the south of Ireland, is really another area that's quite unusual.

00:22:35.340 And he says that he, one night he, he went up to the, it would be said a fairy fort, a rath, an old, an old stone fort.

00:22:45.820 And he went up, it could have been a mound fort now or a stone fort, but he went up in the middle of the night and he had his pipes with them.

00:22:53.380 And he addressed the, as he said, the fairy, the king of the fairies in that fort.

00:22:58.780 And before he even, even spoke out, he had just thought it, he started to hear this music, kind of, and he would just went white in the face and he legged it, you know.

00:23:08.180 And he just ran and he ran through the fields and his pipes actually fell halfway.

00:23:12.960 So as he was running, parts of his pipes were coming, coming away.

00:23:16.880 And he was only left with, I don't know, I think it was just the, it wasn't the chanter, which would have been the actual, you know, the stick, the flute, the voice of the pipes.

00:23:26.420 But it would, I think it was the bellows, that's all, that was all he had around him.

00:23:29.920 And he was absolutely terrified.

00:23:31.640 I wasn't aware of what he had actually asked for.

00:23:34.760 You know, be careful what you wish for.

00:23:36.680 You know, be aware of your thoughts carry more than you realize.

00:23:41.140 They carry more gravity.

00:23:42.960 And he went back the following day and, and traveled back that journey up to the fort, like a procession back up there.

00:23:51.720 And he, to his own, like amazement, as soon as he started to play, the chanter was just alive.

00:23:58.880 And he became, I mean, his, the gift of music had been given to him, you know.

00:24:03.480 And that was his account of, of how he gained his gift.

00:24:08.520 And he was seen as quite a, how do you say, kind of, of a, quite of a distant man, you know, because he, he had his own kind of understanding of how he got his own gift.

00:24:19.560 But he was fully aware of these things.

00:24:21.180 And even at his time, he was seen as a bit odd.

00:24:24.060 But what I find most fascinating about him was that he wasn't at all intimidated by the local priest, you know.

00:24:29.720 Whereas most people would have been genuflecting and out of fear, they would be kind of, you know, you know, they, they wouldn't ever challenge such a man of, of high power status.

00:24:39.220 But this Piper, you know, he had this, as you could say, a freedom or kind of, he knew the kind of natural laws, as it were.

00:24:47.700 You know, he just, he understood that we're all on an equal level here, you know.

00:24:52.800 And no matter what, you know, high king you are, you know, we're all of the same spiritual kind of integrity, really.

00:25:02.060 You know, no one is above the next.

00:25:04.000 Some of us or whatever beings might have evolved more, but they're not, not any better.

00:25:08.700 Well, we're all on earth right now.

00:25:10.640 So, yeah, equal playing field, I suppose.

00:25:14.340 Yeah, it's, it's, I think when it comes to information or those who gather the information for themselves and don't disseminate it freely, because they know that it would free people.

00:25:24.080 They just keep it for themselves to kind of feel that they are more important or they just, it's, that's a, that will actually fall back because it just doesn't work like that, you know.

00:25:34.360 Because freedom, knowledge is for everyone.

00:25:36.420 It's not just for the few minority.

00:25:38.700 And, you know, when, like, even looking back on, regarding Terry Broadman, when he was speaking about, when he did a talk back in London for the, was it the AV2 seminar?

00:25:54.760 I think it was too, yeah.

00:25:55.900 And he, he brought up one individual, a man called Bertrand Russell, and his book on the impact of science on the society in 1953.

00:26:07.180 And, you know, it was really interesting that Terry brought this man up because he was highlighting this, the kind of control or deciding how to control a society and how a society should be kind of geared towards their goal, their aim goal.

00:26:23.760 And what blew my mind was when, out of the three ways of securing a society, whether it be birth control, infanticide, wars, but the third being that general misery would have been an ingredient to control this, the perfect society.

00:26:41.260 That's great.

00:26:41.760 Yeah, and it was the, except for a powerful minority, they would never be touched by this misery.

00:26:48.720 But creating a world so miserable that beings would not want to wish to return, you know, and this can, and this concerns what has been manifested, you know, and how the power of thought really, and how just that thought can manifest more than you realize.

00:27:05.000 If you have all the effort and, and, and, and, and, and the realization, you know, that thought is, is very powerful.

00:27:11.180 And even if all are miserable, all believe themselves to be happy because the government will tell them that that is so.

00:27:17.620 And the government being the governors of the mind, you know, and it's this kind of withholding an awareness for people of their own divinity, their own divine greatness.

00:27:30.940 And it's, you can tap into this with the art, the artistic kind of expressions, you know.

00:27:37.840 And I think you do.

00:27:38.620 It seems like individual sovereignty is a major, major point with you.

00:27:42.260 I mean, I kind of feel that in your art.

00:27:44.160 Am I wrong?

00:27:45.060 Because some of your, some of your characters kind of feel like they're screaming, you know, send me free.

00:27:49.480 Yeah.

00:27:50.520 Yeah.

00:27:50.980 I mean, it's, it definitely comes through the music as well, because it's, if it's for the band that they wish, the first, the main ingredient, they like the artwork and I like their music.

00:28:00.220 That has to work.

00:28:01.800 And if I feel that they are honest, but you know, you're given a few themes and that's all.

00:28:06.360 You just don't know really the full picture of what you're going to get.

00:28:08.660 And just to be clear, you designed some logos and CD covers for bands.

00:28:13.240 Yeah.

00:28:13.500 It's mostly, they'll ask me for a design for an album cover and hopefully it's generally a vinyl release because I love vinyl sleeves.

00:28:21.920 And I mean, again, I forgot to mention like metal or rock, you know, or prog rock on, in the seventies and late sixties, seventies, the incredible kind of psychedelic, you know, images that were just being spewed out onto these, onto these sleeves, you know, and just never ending kind of creative of stew, you know, that was, that was stirring.

00:28:49.300 And I mean, from the Thin Lizzy covers that were mostly done by Jim Fitzpatrick and he himself is, is, is known for his interest in mythology cycles of Ireland.

00:28:59.420 But, uh, other artists such as, um, Frank Frazetta, uh, incredible artist.

00:29:05.580 And of course he, a lot of his work was seen on Molly Hatchett, but you know, it's his, uh, his, his, he was another fascinating individual.

00:29:14.220 And, um, Michael Whelan that designed, uh, it was, he did a lot of sci-fi, um, designs.

00:29:22.300 When it comes to, um, metal bands, uh, metal artwork on sleeve albums, uh, the vinyl, um, sleeves, I mean, uh, and the bands that most inspired me, uh, again, going back to the mythologies, um, Manila Road, particularly, and Curtis Ungol.

00:29:41.100 And, um, Manila Road used Jim Fitzpatrick's, um, artworks and, and, but even at that, they, they really explored, um, all areas of, um, like Arthurian legends and such.

00:29:54.180 And, and this is a, uh, you know, a metal band from Kansas, you know, so they were really deep into stuff that, uh, but it's kind of an underground cult following that you kind of, can't not put a praise the effort and the labor of love.

00:30:06.240 And again, a lot of these bands, it's a labor of love.

00:30:08.420 These guys are not rich guys and that's not what they aim for.

00:30:11.200 Um, it keeps them sane, you know, and Curtis Ungol, um, heavily influenced by Tolkien, but they also love their thin Lizzy.

00:30:18.020 And they had this kind of, uh, they used, um, uh, Michael Whelan's artworks, which Michael Whelan had done for Michael Moorcock, you know, uh, the Elric, uh, material and, uh, sci-fi definitely intermingles with the fantasy and that metal, metal loves to kind of rant on about.

00:30:37.220 Oh, yeah.

00:30:37.540 Uh, and, you know, as metal is so massive, it's, it's so broad, you have genres that are completely unlike each other and yet it's under one heading.

00:30:46.820 And it's, uh, but like, as I was telling you, it is a very honest type of music and the mainstream metal is just crap and everyone knows that.

00:30:56.100 Yes, it is.

00:30:57.220 You know, that's the stuff that does get aired sometimes and it's not, even the mainstream metal festivals, I'm not, I would kind of shy away from big time.

00:31:05.560 Uh, it's always the smaller underground gigs, um, you know, underground as well, you're always going to get a bit of clicks involved.

00:31:11.640 But to be honest, it's, uh, I, I've always really enjoyed, um, some of the bands I have, I've been lucky enough to see that I would have never thought I would have seen.

00:31:20.280 But, um, Black Sabbath as well, uh, did get some really interesting album sleeves.

00:31:26.240 And, uh, one of their artists, Drew, uh, Drew Struzan, who, um, did Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath.

00:31:32.320 And Drew Struzan did the artwork for Blade Runner.

00:31:35.320 And he also did the artwork for Back to the Future, you know.

00:31:37.760 So you're getting individuals that are actively involved, you know, in, in some of the film posters that were mainstream and were mega blockbusters.

00:31:46.240 And it's, it's funny how sometimes these minglings kind of, uh, kind of intertwine, like, but, um, no, I mean, it's the, uh, again, it's, it goes back and forth.

00:31:58.240 And some of the, uh, lesser well-known, uh, doom metal, heavy, just heavy, heavy, heavy rock, essentially, it's at a very slow pace.

00:32:07.540 Um, that's influenced a lot by Black Sabbath.

00:32:10.460 Uh, some of the artwork that they would have chosen, that was how, that was the key for me to find out more interesting artists.

00:32:16.540 And these were the forgotten, uh, dead artists that, uh, are now coming, are getting more praise now.

00:32:22.440 But, uh, these were the guys from the 20th century, the, the beginning of the 20th century, the, the golden age of illustration.

00:32:28.020 Um, when you really saw this, then they were delving into all these legends and myths and, and, uh, and acknowledging them.

00:32:35.660 And, you know, again, it's coming into this, when, at the turn of the last century, there really was a realization of this heavy materialism that was taking over.

00:32:47.240 And, um, you could see that there were those who were, well, the cult circles definitely were aware of this as well, you know.

00:32:54.860 Um, but, I mean, it's something that you kind of have to, you know, you question, uh, this mass materialism.

00:33:05.040 That's, it really has stripped the spiritual endeavor, you know, and Rudolf Steiner was, again, ahead of his game, ahead of so much from, from the time that he was even talking about this.

00:33:16.940 And as, uh, Terry Boardman had, had pointed out, uh, one of these lectures that Rudolf Steiner had, had, uh, had done, had that, that were recorded.

00:33:25.380 And Steiner said, the aim, the aim of, of mass materialism and this media control as well, which is such a hypnotic thing, it's hypnotizing everyone.

00:33:36.100 Uh, the aim to send a wave of materialism over the earth and make the physical plane the only valid one.

00:33:41.640 A spiritual world is to be recognized only in terms of what the physical plane has to offer, you know.

00:33:46.940 So, you're, you're kind of, it's, the dismissiveness, uh, that you see a lot with the secularized material, it kind of, uh, you know.

00:33:57.980 And it's getting, it's getting much worse.

00:34:00.420 It is.

00:34:01.140 It absolutely is.

00:34:02.220 And, I, I mean, I, I'm not even, I, I, you know, I was born in 1984 and already that year rings, you know, kind of can send, send shivers down ones back.

00:34:12.760 But, I mean, I, I, I, it was, again, it's freedom that, the, the imagination that can get, that's unlocked, um, when you start delving into music that, and, and artwork that hasn't really been, uh, broadcasted.

00:34:28.600 I always love finding, um, individuals who are not well known for some of their incredible works, you know.

00:34:35.260 Well, usually the incredible artists won't be well known.

00:34:39.540 Yeah, that's right.

00:34:40.580 It's, it's, it's like you get the impression that there's someone pushing particular artists above others always.

00:34:46.100 And, um, I mean, uh, I, you just want something that is just, that speaks to you personally.

00:34:52.860 And it's always a personal thing, you know, you shouldn't have to be like everyone else.

00:34:57.040 And this is the biggest problem with standardization and regulation.

00:35:00.220 You're meant to be like everyone else, but you're not, you know.

00:35:03.060 I mean, we're all connected in a way, but you, you have to have your own freedom of expressing your own personality.

00:35:09.240 That's the, the richness of, of, of creation.

00:35:12.000 You're meant to co-create with this creation, you know, and be able to express yourself to the fullest, uh, way, the potential of it.

00:35:19.680 And, uh, standardization, averaging things doesn't include, uh, your own distinctness.

00:35:28.660 Well, that's why the current school systems also don't encourage more artistic classes.

00:35:33.320 They don't want you to be working that part of your brain because you might wake up and say, what am I doing here?

00:35:38.980 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:39.800 This is the joke.

00:35:40.660 What, what, this is, doesn't mean anything to me.

00:35:42.420 I mean, 13 years, 14 years in the education system and I, I haven't, I didn't gain anything from it.

00:35:49.320 I mean, I wasn't a good writer and I'm still a bit wobbly, but I mean, um, there was, I, I could have, I should have been an apprentice or something, you know, for those 13 years.

00:35:58.320 I would have gained something.

00:35:59.580 Um, whereas, um, and I didn't do well in our class in school at all.

00:36:03.700 Well, that's, that's no surprise.

00:36:05.860 Yeah.

00:36:06.100 I mean, I was, well, I, I just was very bad at being told what, like, I was very quiet, you know, I rarely spoke out.

00:36:13.200 In fact, I rarely spoke at all.

00:36:15.020 And, um, to kind of, uh, you know, I, I was just daydreaming a lot as well.

00:36:21.140 And, and, uh, I mean, I, I was, I never got good grades.

00:36:24.800 I was always in the special maths, the special English classes, you know, is one of those.

00:36:30.160 And also you just, your own self-worth was also stood on.

00:36:34.120 And it was like a big boot on you, actually.

00:36:36.540 Yeah.

00:36:36.780 It's like all kids are supposed to learn every single subject matter instead of just honing in on their one specific talent and becoming an expert in that.

00:36:45.560 Yeah.

00:36:46.500 What you're good at, do what you're good at.

00:36:49.240 And, um, and, uh, you know, I, I naturally had to kind of go towards what I was good at because I wasn't the sharpest in other areas.

00:36:57.700 And the judgment that you get is kind of like, you're always going to be seen as a bit odd or strange if you are an artist because you're just speaking a different language to the other people, you know?

00:37:08.960 And, and you will come up, and this is the amazing thing.

00:37:11.940 You will come across people who actually get it, you know, who actually understand where you're coming from.

00:37:17.200 And you, it kind of reaffirms to you, my God, you're not alone at all.

00:37:20.780 And isn't it, probably you find it's mostly more intuitive people that you can read on that level because it's beyond language.

00:37:27.300 It's a whole other kind of communication.

00:37:29.380 Ah, it absolutely is, Lana.

00:37:31.320 I mean, I mean, the fact that I've gone to certain countries and just turning around and chatting to someone and then just saying something that it continues a conversation and opening up a whole, you know, area of discourse.

00:37:44.180 You just, this material that we're talking about now, that'd be the stuff that they'd want to kind of speak out about as well.

00:37:49.680 But they've always been questioning.

00:37:51.540 There exists definitely a timelessness in the creative expression, when you're in that creative process, whether it is through art, whether it's through music.

00:38:03.360 And you do get, you know, there are times when you do get a mental block.

00:38:07.400 You do get an artistic block, a writer's block, and you don't know where you're going to, you're going to go.

00:38:12.840 You need, you have a deadline, and deadlines are a pain in the neck because it doesn't work like that.

00:38:17.200 You know, you either get that inspiration, that muse comes when you least expect, but when you, when you got it, you're on a, you're on a, you're on a flow, a quick flow.

00:38:27.340 But you can't calculate when you're going to get inspired.

00:38:31.060 Yeah, what is that?

00:38:31.840 Why not?

00:38:32.380 It's, again, it's, it's a funny one.

00:38:35.440 It's either you can tap in quicker than you can, I mean, there are influences that can definitely get you in tune fast.

00:38:42.980 But I think it could be tide when the tide comes in or when it's out.

00:38:48.320 You just have to, I, to be honest with you, it's still a bit of a mystery to me, you know.

00:38:52.260 But I, it's easier to kind of settle into that creative process in, after midnight, and, and it really kicks in around half too.

00:39:04.540 Because everyone else is kind of quieting down.

00:39:06.240 Maybe their astral bodies aren't so busy, so it's like, yes, I get some space, you know.

00:39:10.200 There's no distractions that are caving in on you, you know, it's, you're not getting, you know, it's hard to have a disciplined concentration span with, in the way, in the world that we're living now.

00:39:23.720 Because there's so many things all on at once.

00:39:26.780 I kind of do envy some of the people from way back who didn't have these distractions that we're being bombarded with now, you know.

00:39:35.540 Like what kind of distractions?

00:39:36.600 Definitely, I don't watch television, but you're definitely, the television's always on somehow in the background.

00:39:45.520 And just the whole setup or the whole environment where you're living, you know, we don't have pure quietness, you know.

00:39:52.460 You can barely see the stars sometimes, you know.

00:39:55.720 It's only when you get out into the countryside that you realize your environment really makes up, can really shift you into a different kind of mode.

00:40:08.540 And it is important to get out now and again to kind of get yourself out of this routine that we're all stuck in.

00:40:14.940 And it's tough because it is sometimes how you make your living.

00:40:19.500 But there's a lot more going on and we are definitely being distracted.

00:40:23.560 This is the thing with the whole materials and the material world.

00:40:25.700 We're being sidetracked a lot because, you know, from getting to the answers that we need to get to in life, you know.

00:40:33.980 Because you do have a purpose and you agree to do certain things, clearly, because you wouldn't be here otherwise.

00:40:40.060 And there's this kind of over dismissiveness, oh, we're just these things, we're just here and we'll be gone before we know it.

00:40:47.220 But, I mean, it is precious time that's given to you.

00:40:50.500 It is something you have to, I don't know, start getting an inner awareness.

00:40:57.940 And there's so many challenges thrown at you.

00:41:01.920 But I think people are more able for it than they realize.

00:41:07.280 I mean, again, it goes back to the music being and the artwork as kind of reminders, kind of putting, making you stand back and looking at this whole picture.

00:41:16.360 And also, what is inevitable, your health or awful tragedies that happen.

00:41:23.320 Time will stop for a few minutes and you just wonder what is going on.

00:41:28.260 Where, like, what is this all about, you know?

00:41:30.600 And what really is happening here?

00:41:32.820 And do you have any part in this whole drama?

00:41:38.580 Some of your art can get dark and spooky.

00:41:40.560 So what is the darkness in your art saying?

00:41:42.560 Where does that come from?

00:41:44.680 It's quite dark.

00:41:46.360 But beautiful.

00:41:47.100 That's what a few people have said to me.

00:41:49.660 There's something very dark but beautiful.

00:41:52.020 And I suppose what's really coming out in the artwork, and again, it's in communication with the music, the mood that I'm getting off the music.

00:42:02.040 You know, what's in the dark is generally what's overshadowed and probably what's being ignored.

00:42:06.220 You know, what people are walking away from and what people are not addressing.

00:42:11.520 And whatever way it's manifesting to whatever figure personality, I suppose it's making a stand in a way to kind of maybe remind some people or someone that there's something else to maybe look at a bit more closely.

00:42:30.340 I mean, I know I'm being a bit vague, but I mean, you know, it's what's in the shadows is not necessarily evil.

00:42:38.440 Of course not.

00:42:39.560 It could also be unrealized potentials of yourself.

00:42:42.700 That's true.

00:42:43.920 Or hidden truths.

00:42:45.260 Hidden truths always.

00:42:46.440 I mean, there's a lot of that.

00:42:48.480 And, you know, cellular memories.

00:42:50.040 I wouldn't be surprised if that's coming through.

00:42:51.940 But, I mean, if you're gaining kind of channeling in, like there's all sorts of types of channeling.

00:43:00.320 And I would be kind of wary of sharing my body with a separate entity.

00:43:04.860 I wouldn't be up for that.

00:43:06.020 But, I mean, you are, again, at those liminal hours, midnight onwards.

00:43:10.680 That is the time of the supernatural, as it were.

00:43:14.280 And, you know, what we would know, particularly of the good people, the fairy people, that is their time to kind of be out and about. 0.98

00:43:20.280 Trying to reflect back on the creative process and how you get into that groove of creating.

00:43:29.260 I mean, you have to also look at other examples, other people who are caught in this, not necessarily caught, but kind of communicate with this kind of, this group, this flow.

00:43:41.580 And, I mean, Joseph Campbell explains that, you know, he has two ways of writing.

00:43:49.680 And one way is a very programmed way where he knows exactly what he's going to write.

00:43:53.100 And, you know, that's great, grand standard stuff.

00:43:56.520 But, as he would say, the wonderful thing is when he gets a certain beam that hits that level of mythic inspiration.

00:44:02.000 And from there, he knows about three words ahead of what he's going to say.

00:44:06.760 And when he's writing, it's like he's, he knows he's on a groove.

00:44:10.000 And it feels like a wonderful thing happening there.

00:44:13.420 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:14.180 It's like this wonderful wave.

00:44:15.900 He's writing a wonderful wave and he's flowing with it.

00:44:18.420 And this is the thing that the control systems, they keep falling, kicking themselves in the gut on.

00:44:25.080 Because you can't control creation.

00:44:27.700 Creation agreed for its own freedom to be able to be limitless in its expression and within responsibility, of course, because you just can't do what you want to do.

00:44:40.120 I mean, it has consequences.

00:44:41.420 Your actions always have consequences of what you do.

00:44:44.560 But there is a lovingness in that creation and to co-create with that ability.

00:44:48.400 But control systems, you know, they have no idea.

00:44:53.080 And they're also the most boring, you know, they're so stunted.

00:44:57.160 Yeah, and I get pretty pissed because I didn't co-create this current reality.

00:45:00.760 Yeah.

00:45:01.260 Where's my contribution?

00:45:02.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:45:03.780 It's like, you know, again, going back to what Terry Boardman had pointed out regarding Bertrand Russell,

00:45:10.600 this how to make the ideal society for themselves, how they would like us to be built for their long-term goals, you know, their service for something else, which its aim, its definite aim, which is kind of, it's a bit arrogant, incredibly arrogant, but also missing the whole point of creation and what the purpose of it is.

00:45:35.240 You know, you can't control people.

00:45:38.740 I mean, you know, well, we have been, but it doesn't fall back on itself somehow because that's not the point of this whole existence.

00:45:49.460 And we're caught in, yeah, you could say a prison planet in a way, but there are ways of kind of going around it, I feel.

00:45:58.640 And, you know, you do have to be aware, you are open to a lot of influences and elements, and you have to be aware of certain things that can trigger you.

00:46:08.140 And within the whole inspiration domain, you know, there are good and bad sides always.

00:46:13.940 You just have to go with your inner instinct.

00:46:15.660 And there was a point, a really important point, I remember Jordan Maxwell referring to.

00:46:22.020 When it comes to words, words can have so many meanings, just one word alone.

00:46:26.420 When he spoke about gut being the word for God in Swedish, but gut, gut, G-U-T-H is voice in Irish.

00:46:35.440 And, you know, gut is your gut instinct, but gut is also your voice.

00:46:39.260 You know, you have to listen to that.

00:46:40.320 You have to be, your whole, your body is telling you a lot of things, and we've been kind of conditioned to not listen to our own body.

00:46:47.520 You know, we're disattached from ourselves.

00:46:49.760 Yeah, absolutely.

00:46:50.520 I partly blame that on a lot of the chemicals we put on our body and eat, things we breathe in the air.

00:46:58.220 Yeah, it's this whole kind of, it's kind of controlling aspects of one, you know.

00:47:04.420 It's kind of leveling a person out, you know, not making them too, too passionate or too, you know, just, just kind of droning them out a bit so that they'll be enough to get enough work done, but not enough to kind of really have the energy to kind of start really checking stuff out.

00:47:25.180 Because, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, because everyone's too busy, they're too occupied.

00:47:30.060 And, I mean, as, as, when I really, when the curtain fell for me and I was totally blown away about potential or obvious things that have been going on for a long time.

00:47:43.260 And, and, and, you know, a lot of people, friends of mine had just, well, just a few people just said, Elaine, I'm too busy.

00:47:49.680 I've got too many things on my plate at the moment.

00:47:52.360 But, but I'm like, yeah, but you can, you not, can you not just, just pay attention to this, just, just consider this or look at this maybe, just reflect on this for a while.

00:48:00.300 Because things don't seem to be making any sense.

00:48:02.900 You know, we're only here for a very short time.

00:48:05.020 And, you know, at the age of 40, if you've made up your mind already about what life's about, you're missing a huge chunk of what the, of what possibly it is more than what you think.

00:48:16.680 That's right.

00:48:17.620 Before your eyes.

00:48:18.700 And, and I mean, as I say, 80 to 90 years of age is very young.

00:48:23.560 It's not that old, you know.

00:48:25.600 It's not even, as I said, the twinkling in the eye of a star, you know, it's a very young time to be here, a small, a very short time to be here to kind of figure out everything.

00:48:35.580 And, and we are accelerating the age faster than you could believe.

00:48:40.600 And I think, I don't even think we're living longer than they said that we would live for.

00:48:44.600 Because people, everyone's picking up so many very odd diseases are kind of being formed and shaped in all sorts of ways.

00:48:51.660 We're mutating.

00:48:52.620 Yeah.

00:48:53.420 You know, and I think, again, going back again, the, the real genuine importance of just paying attention to what people looked,

00:49:04.060 the way people viewed life and how mythologies came around that.

00:49:11.560 And I mean, it's always the material you never hear that I'm always, I always want to hear more about.

00:49:17.460 And, and, you know, when, when regards to traditional music, music of the people, you know, that they played, you know, fairy music is one signal of the very profound impact it had on human beings.

00:49:30.100 And I'm, I am really fascinated about how the supernatural kind of gives, it's kind of, kind of communicates to ordinary people when they want to listen to it.

00:49:42.680 And you'll hear it without a shadow of a doubt.

00:49:44.940 I mean, there's artists, there's one Scottish artist called John Duncan, and he genuinely believed he heard fairy music, you know, within his ears.

00:49:53.620 And, and some of the, again, the musicians that I absolutely admire, they acknowledge this, you know, they're not ruining it out.

00:50:00.880 Some people just can't explain it.

00:50:02.680 Other people are adamant that they've seen certain elemental beings.

00:50:06.860 So, so does that mean that we never create anything original?

00:50:10.600 Are we pulling something from somewhere else all the time?

00:50:14.180 Um, I see, I think within your own eyes, it's unique, you know, and it's, it's coming from yourself.

00:50:21.080 But I definitely do think that they're, they're just, there, there's a consciousness that has always been there anyway.

00:50:27.540 And, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's massive.

00:50:30.400 It's absolutely boundless, you know.

00:50:32.640 Um, you know, it's truly unique.

00:50:36.880 I mean, it's up to you to create that truly uniqueness through your own eyes, I suppose.

00:50:41.820 And to gain, just gather the inspiration and the influences that are offered to you on a, on a, on a massive plate, you know, that we keep chucking away, you know.

00:50:50.700 We're just trying to turn our back onto it because, um, you know, we just, I don't know, want to watch Big Brother or something, you know.

00:50:57.940 It's insane.

00:50:59.180 It's, um, truly unique.

00:51:01.600 It's, I, I, I mean, I, it's, I think it's a, it's a yes and a no at the same time, you know.

00:51:09.460 Um, it's a hard one to kind of answer.

00:51:13.220 So are there any Irish pre-Christian traditions that really speak to you?

00:51:19.540 Um, I suppose pre-Christian, uh, pre-Christian traditions.

00:51:24.480 Um, well, I mean, the awareness of, um, holy wells, which became holy wells, but the acknowledgement of, uh, uh, certain springs being sacred and that people would visit them and that, that the water itself had purine qualities and that the, the plants that surrounded these lakes and wells were also of medicinal goodness, you know.

00:51:47.600 Um, that's something that I, it's still continued, but I mean, again, um, weed killers, you know, we've lost a lot of natural plants because of, um, weed killings, uh, weed killers.

00:51:59.980 And, um, biodynamic farming is also a very interesting area that I would love to kind of pursue more.

00:52:06.280 But if you look at the whole, uh, GM, uh, seeds, GM crops, you can be totally assured that there's nothing in those that would, I mean, that's almost like killing off the, the natural kind of.

00:52:19.580 They, they, they, they alter organs inside of cows and pigs.

00:52:24.860 Yeah, it's, I mean, when, when you start messing with the, when you start messing with the, the natural beings, you know, I, I don't know if it's, the, the outcome's going to be particularly healthy.

00:52:36.860 And we are going through this, it's a bizarre machine kind of, uh, progression, isn't it?

00:52:42.400 I mean, we're just, again, this, uh, labor force that has to do stuff that isn't, it was a bit, it just doesn't, I, I don't get it.

00:52:50.200 I really just don't get it because we're, we're not machines and yet we're kind of almost conditioned that we should be.

00:52:56.720 And we have to be improved and updated all the time.

00:52:59.260 It's like, as if we're just not good enough, you know, you have to get better because what we are, what we have, what we've been born with is absolutely incredible.

00:53:05.860 We are, what we have, our whole anatomy is actually a really fascinating thing.

00:53:11.740 Yeah, we're just, we're just not utilizing the entire machine.

00:53:15.420 Yeah, it's like, it's, we're being compared to artificial intelligence.

00:53:20.500 I mean, that just doesn't have the, the, the spiritual link that we have.

00:53:25.340 And that's the thing about materialism.

00:53:26.900 It wants to disassociate the human being from its spiritual and soul, you know, um, aspects, you know.

00:53:35.860 And the higher self that, that you have, that link, that your own connection that you have to your own higher, own higher consciousness.

00:53:42.480 And, uh, I, I don't know if machines have that link.

00:53:45.440 And, and, you know, I, I, you know, it's, it's funny how that's, what's, what we're gearing towards, you know.

00:53:51.280 Uh, because you could break, you break away then from that whole control paradigm, you know, that whole, it would break away their whole, what they want to manifest.

00:54:02.160 It would crumble so fast because you realize it's, it's just a pathetic attempt to, and it has, there's been many hijacks. 0.97

00:54:10.040 But, I mean, it, you know, you should be able to see through that when you realize the greatness that you bestow, you know.

00:54:18.180 And everyone, though, everyone has this.

00:54:20.740 Everything has this.

00:54:22.360 And, uh, it's, it is actually really appalling how we've even allowed the media, people work within the media and are feeding off each other, you know, in this really weird, uh, control way.

00:54:33.520 I mean, regarding, um, the kind of flirt, flirtatious use of, um, occult symbolism, um, distorted symbols, particularly, which really a symbol is, is coded information that is speaking to your consciousness, you know.

00:54:50.760 And because you are, it, something is tapping into you.

00:54:53.820 And if it is distorted, it's basically an untruth that's hitting you on a level that, you know, you genuinely should expect things to be truthful.

00:55:03.520 You know, if they're in that, in that form, you know, it's, it's a, it's a lethal kind of sorcery in a way.

00:55:11.680 And, again, you just have to try not to be naive, again, of these things.

00:55:18.660 There's lots of mysteries, but I don't think everything should be a mystery.

00:55:21.680 I genuinely think this information should be, uh, free to, to just take, uh, filter as you should, uh, just listen to it and take from it what you think is right, you know.

00:55:34.800 Um, not to believe everything that's, that you're told, um, but to be open-minded as much as you possibly can, you know.

00:55:42.080 Do you think a lot of these advertising companies who use some of these occult symbols, do you think they know what they're doing or is it just kind of trendy?

00:55:48.540 I think they do and they don't. It's, uh, I mean, at, at the, at the core elements of it, I do genuinely believe they know what they're using.

00:55:58.460 And, and, and also the color frequencies.

00:56:00.300 I mean, color is an incredible way to kind of, um, get at people.

00:56:05.440 And, and you are tapping into even different realm energies with certain colors, you know.

00:56:10.900 Uh, red being very more, um, mental lower chakra area.

00:56:15.660 And if you have all these incredible, you know, violets and turquises and all these incredible azurites, all these really very, uh, you know, that they're, they're speaking at you.

00:56:26.420 You know, they're, they're really drawing you in and, uh, that's purposely done without a shadow of a doubt.

00:56:32.760 Uh, you, you just have to become more fluently aware of it.

00:56:36.740 And, and why not?

00:56:38.300 Because it's so interesting, you know.

00:56:39.860 And even if you want to create beautiful, really inspiring, incredible pieces of work, you have to know these things.

00:56:46.020 And I'm still only learning the tiny bits of it.

00:56:48.180 I mean, the colors that I was always using, it's always of quite an earthy kind of texture.

00:56:53.540 And, but I, I try, I'm trying more and more to kind of expand the color spectrum that I have been using before.

00:57:00.220 When I was at my, my most miserable stage, um, Lana in my teens, I, I think I just used lots of black, you know. 0.99

00:57:08.380 Everyone hates that period.

00:57:10.520 Yeah.

00:57:11.340 And it was, you know, you can, black is a great color.

00:57:15.020 Or, well, it's a great, it's a, it definitely gets the message straight to you.

00:57:19.220 But, uh, you can only do so much of it.

00:57:21.340 And, and, uh, sometimes you're just tired.

00:57:23.280 If you're tired, you have to move on a bit.

00:57:24.640 And, and just, that's just how it should be.

00:57:26.840 It should naturally just flow on to the next thing.

00:57:28.740 Instead of feeling, oh, I just have to use this color.

00:57:30.820 You know, this is, I'll be taken more seriously.

00:57:32.840 Or, you know, it's kind of, you're stuck in a, in a rut.

00:57:36.080 But, um, I mean, I, I, even within the bands, uh, how they present, uh, the, the album, the design.

00:57:44.320 And, I mean, they, you know, you have to always be trying to search for more things that, that speak to you.

00:57:51.900 And, and, of course, there is a style that goes with it as well.

00:57:54.920 And, and you see with the black metal bands, it's, it's kind of more of a primal, kind of a crusty rawness.

00:58:01.520 It's always black and white.

00:58:02.660 It's always this kind of crispiness to it.

00:58:05.220 And, uh, frostbitten.

00:58:06.800 That's, frostbitten is exactly the type of landscape that they want.

00:58:09.840 And, and death metal, of course, is, is total gory. 0.67

00:58:13.340 And it's, um, demons, raping angels kind of thing.

00:58:17.440 Yeah, it's, it's, it's quite, uh, anatomical. 0.76

00:58:20.360 And, uh, lots of putrefaction and stenching going on.

00:58:23.480 But, I mean, it's still addressing things that are not particularly nice.

00:58:27.660 But, it is what it is.

00:58:28.960 And, it's actually, again, it's very honest.

00:58:30.960 And, um, and I, I, I do respect that.

00:58:34.440 It is, at least saying what it is, you know, instead of wrapping it up in something that it's not.

00:58:39.680 Um, there's a reason death metal, it's, it is actually massively, uh, popular.

00:58:44.020 But, you'll never hear death metal put on your mainstream radio, you know.

00:58:48.540 That's the last thing.

00:58:49.400 It might wake people up.

00:58:50.880 Get them in touch with their anger for the world.

00:58:53.600 Yeah.

00:58:54.000 But, it's, you know, it's really funny when you look at some of the bands that become really popular mainstream.

00:58:58.400 Like, become mainstream popular metal bands.

00:59:01.800 They're, you know, their earlier stuff, before they really had been kind of, um, yeah, taken in under the wing of these big labels.

00:59:12.320 Um, their earlier stuff was always way better.

00:59:15.040 They actually loved doing what they were doing.

00:59:18.060 And, you know, this goes, again, to Black Sabbath.

00:59:20.380 Black Sabbath, I, I, I love black, most of Black Sabbath's material.

00:59:24.200 But, their earlier stuff particularly.

00:59:26.260 And, there were young lads who just wanted to play rock and roll, heavy rock and roll.

00:59:32.480 And, you know, anyone on that era particularly, it's just this incredible flooding of just ideas just going around.

00:59:40.180 And, people just wanting to do music that, that they could do finally, you know.

00:59:43.800 And, the saddest thing with this whole reunion that was to take place with all the Black Sabbath members, that it totally fell apart.

00:59:52.280 And, a lot of, uh, through, like, unfortunately, it's money that really is the kind of curse through it all.

00:59:59.400 And, uh, that kind of, a lot of bitterness is now just there.

01:00:04.580 And, of course, the, the, we all, quite a few, myself and a few friends were aiming to go.

01:00:09.300 And, of course, that didn't happen.

01:00:10.260 And, we still hoped that such a thing would happen, the reunion.

01:00:13.860 But, you know, you look back on footage and you see that they were young and they were free in their music.

01:00:18.540 And, now, they've got that success.

01:00:22.440 But, it's, it's almost, it's lost.

01:00:23.860 They also have arthritis now, I think, right?

01:00:26.760 Yeah.

01:00:27.640 It's, it's really stiff and, and really, it's, it's almost, it's just a shame that the point of it wasn't about, uh, listen, abundance should be given to everyone.

01:00:39.760 You know, money is, just seems to be the thing that everyone, it's, it's the, it's what works in the economy.

01:00:45.360 It used to be cattle in Ireland for hundreds of years.

01:00:50.280 And, you know, when one thing is, when it's decided, this is the thing that we can get what we want with.

01:00:55.800 I mean, it, it, it gets out of control, you know.

01:00:59.540 And, I think, again, when you're creating with music, when you are creating these things, it's, it's not, you can't put a price on it.

01:01:10.120 And, it's a very hard thing, actually, to kind of.

01:01:12.060 No, but at the same time, you have to eat, if you want to keep creating.

01:01:15.780 You do.

01:01:16.680 Um, but I think it should be, that, it, it shouldn't be a case of, um, the, we, what we have around us.

01:01:25.980 I mean, it's self-regenerative, you know.

01:01:29.200 I can't pronounce that word right, but it's generating itself all the time.

01:01:32.660 And, I mean, I, I don't think, you, you know, it's, it's, it really is a tough one to even, look, things are not fair.

01:01:41.120 And, it's, it's not a fair system where we're living.

01:01:43.220 And, we have to work every day just to get by, you know.

01:01:46.060 And, and none of it makes any sense.

01:01:48.020 Because the people who are in the places, the top jobs that there are, don't deserve to be there. 0.95

01:01:51.940 And, also, they are the most bloody boring people I've ever come across as well. 0.87

01:01:55.080 So, when you hear them speaking, they're dribbly, they're, they're dithery, they never answer a question. 0.98

01:02:00.380 It's, it's always rhetoric.

01:02:02.140 It's just this, like, it drains you so much that you just let them off almost, you know.

01:02:08.900 And, you know, but, uh.

01:02:11.300 So, if music and art of today could tell a story that one day might be preserved into some kind of mythology, what story would that tell?

01:02:18.080 Well, I, I could say that the mythology that would be, that would reflect of what's been happening of this day, it's two forces definitely going head to head.

01:02:30.540 And, one wishing complete freedom for all, and the other standing for complete control.

01:02:39.200 And, I mean, we're never, we never really know enough about the control side.

01:02:43.640 What is this aim, this goal for complete control?

01:02:48.140 What is the reason for this?

01:02:49.440 And, clearly, they aren't facing the consequences of previous actions that are kind of manifesting.

01:02:56.380 I mean, they're, they're running away from something, clearly, that they can't get away from.

01:02:59.860 It's like they're holding on to everything they can.

01:03:01.640 They're sucking off life, you know, life or beings, getting things off them because they, everything is crumbled for them.

01:03:10.520 And, and we, we're not educated about this.

01:03:16.340 If we, you know, you are empowered when you realise what's actually the whole point of this picture, you know.

01:03:22.800 And, you begin to realise, well, my part, I have a choice in which way I want to go with this.

01:03:28.060 And, you know, you are a living energy, you know, being, you know.

01:03:31.520 You still have some part to play.

01:03:35.760 And, I think it's, the mythology, I think, is repeated a few times.

01:03:41.700 But, it's, it's always at a different epoch, really, you know, epoch.

01:03:47.400 And, it's, again, it's, it's the, I wouldn't like to say the good versus the evil, because that, that can be quite misleading, you know.

01:03:59.320 But, I think those who serve are quite self-serving versus those who are, are geared to kind of try and go with the natural laws of creation.

01:04:12.980 And, and that's as simple and abstract as I could, as I could put it.

01:04:18.120 But, the music and art, I mean, you have two sides.

01:04:21.240 You have those who, who are in, in this act of, of creation, with creation, who freely play and perform to what's given to them or just comes to them.

01:04:33.780 And, in full respect of what's being passed down to them as well.

01:04:38.280 And, and then you have the monster, which is the music industry, which doesn't understand music or the point of it at all.

01:04:45.300 And, they just don't get it.

01:04:46.860 But, they seem to feel that they are the custodians to control it and, you know.

01:04:51.980 See, I would say that I think that they do know, because some of the repetition, the use of beats and certain pitches and all that, it is very hypnotic and trance-like.

01:05:00.560 It's like, oh, let's just kind of keep them in this kind of lower chakra place all the time.

01:05:04.260 Absolutely right. You actually, you hit the nail on the head there, because it, it is definitely, there are definitely our ingredients, without a shadow of a doubt, that kind of keep us in this kind of box, as it were, you know.

01:05:17.160 And, they definitely use those elements.

01:05:20.800 But, you know, the, the, the, the musicians, the, the, the artists who really kind of break past those boundaries, you never will see them supported.

01:05:29.720 Well, you never see them, like, with the, the major labels.

01:05:32.620 I have to say, there's two musicians who, who are alive still today, who are a great inspiration in the Irish tradition.

01:05:41.400 A musician and singer called Liam Amwayley and a piper called Paddy Keenan.

01:05:45.880 And, they went to a festival, I think it was in Mali.

01:05:48.800 The documentary was called Festival of the Desert.

01:05:51.000 Desert. And, basically, all the nomadic tribes assemble. 0.99

01:05:55.420 And, they're all various different ethnicities.

01:05:59.180 And, they're all very different.

01:06:00.440 And, their one way of peacekeeping is through this festival, the music sharing, you know.

01:06:04.660 And, they hadn't a word of, of, of, of local, not language with these, these people.

01:06:10.640 But, they sang, they mostly sang in Irish.

01:06:13.320 And, they performed, they had the songs they love as well.

01:06:16.140 And, they communicated on a level that you'd wish would be, like, a universal language.

01:06:23.500 And, one of the musicians, one of the harpists, they came from, I don't know, 40 generations of playing the harp.

01:06:32.240 This type of African harp, I've forgotten the name.

01:06:35.980 But, he was saying, if you don't affect people through your music, if you don't, if you can't bring emotion.

01:06:41.460 Emotion is a powerful key through communicating.

01:06:46.060 If you can't make them cry, if you can't make them laugh, if you can't make them smile.

01:06:49.380 If you can't make them, with the hair, stand up at the back of their neck.

01:06:52.120 You've failed in the whole point of it.

01:06:54.560 You've failed in the performance.

01:06:55.780 You have to go back.

01:06:57.160 And, just, you just, you have to restudy.

01:07:00.360 Or, just try and grasp the real point, purpose of this.

01:07:03.760 And, it's a communication that, oh, it's beyond sophisticated, I think.

01:07:08.160 Like, it's, you know, memories are coming through these, this tradition, these traditions, you know.

01:07:17.340 Past tragedies, and I think a lot of very sad things have happened that can't be forgotten.

01:07:25.080 And, we're kind of avoiding them more and more when we kind of, you know, when we view music as just a background noise, you know.

01:07:34.400 And, it's, it's one of those things that, you know, that just boggles me when people turn around and say music is just background noise.

01:07:44.540 Well, that's what you might hear.

01:07:46.980 But, if you search, there is material that will just... 0.98

01:07:51.080 Well, then that's when you say, then, what you're listening to sucks. 0.95

01:07:54.840 Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know. 0.98

01:07:56.780 Like, clearly, you know.

01:07:57.760 But, I mean, I mean, like, as Jung says, you know, and I think you can get it through, you know, there's art that I don't like, simply because there's something about it that just doesn't speak to me.

01:08:10.460 And, like, sometimes it is just a pure opinion.

01:08:12.700 But, when it's telling, speaking to you on a level that really is speaking to you and is trying to tell you, remind you of really where you're going.

01:08:21.960 And, that you had agreed to something that you have to fulfill.

01:08:26.560 I mean, you have to develop, you know, you have to develop the things that you need to develop.

01:08:33.040 And, as Jung said, like, what we need is the development of the inner spiritual man, the unique individual whose treasure is hidden in the symbols of our mythological tradition and in man's unconscious psyche, you know.

01:08:46.140 Like, these things are, you can't walk away from it.

01:08:50.640 And, like, all the technology advancements that are coming are not solving the problems of the world, you know.

01:09:00.720 They're not solving our deepest problems.

01:09:03.240 It's just masking everything.

01:09:05.320 Yeah, absolutely.

01:09:06.300 Before it explodes or implodes.

01:09:08.820 Yeah.

01:09:09.460 It's just going to self-spontaneously combust, you know.

01:09:13.520 And I'll be glad when it does.

01:09:16.140 I mean, it's, I think it should make people, well, I think the bells are ringing and they're going to be ringing louder.

01:09:26.300 And it's going to be very hard for people not to kind of look at it, you know.

01:09:32.620 And, I mean, it's, again, I find you're going to find your own answers that you need to find.

01:09:39.760 If you want to search, you'll find it, you know.

01:09:41.880 It's all up to yourself.

01:09:42.640 And if people don't want to pay attention to it, that's their choice.

01:09:48.040 And, you know, you have to respect it.

01:09:50.080 But they also have to respect your choice.

01:09:52.180 And this is the thing.

01:09:52.900 You find one way where, you know, we have to acknowledge those who just insist, no, no, no, I don't want any part of that.

01:09:59.900 And you go, that's fine.

01:10:00.600 But you have to be respected as well, you know.

01:10:03.100 And that's what I don't see.

01:10:04.180 I don't see this, you know, kind of consideration for others who are just of a different opinion, you know.

01:10:11.880 Yeah, I definitely see that in this field, too, even amongst alternative research.

01:10:16.060 It's like, where's the kindness and the patience and the compassion?

01:10:19.900 And if someone is off on a specific detail, you know, just send a nice little chatty email and say, hey, by the way, instead of just attacking people.

01:10:28.400 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:29.340 This is when people still go off on their, they're still, they're forgetting it again, you know.

01:10:35.160 It's not about getting one up another person.

01:10:37.720 And, you know, saying, oh, I know more than you, et cetera, et cetera.

01:10:40.760 I mean, it's not about that.

01:10:42.840 It's, you know, we're meant to be all kind of helping each other out here.

01:10:47.460 And that's extremely difficult.

01:10:49.240 You know, but we should at least just listen.

01:10:51.820 Listening is, that's a talent.

01:10:55.880 It really is shown to be a talent because so few do listen, you know.

01:10:59.960 And being as open-minded as possible and not, you know, it is hard when something, you know, finding information that you'd never heard about before.

01:11:09.660 And it blows you, it blows you away so much that you go, this is the gospel of the knowledge.

01:11:15.100 This is what it's all about.

01:11:16.800 And then not that shortly afterwards, something else bombards you and you go, my God, whoa.

01:11:22.060 And you have to just keep, you have to keep being open to the possibilities to all of them.

01:11:29.360 And I do think there's truths in all of them.

01:11:31.820 You just have to, it's like assembling it all and kind of, we're trying to make, getting more perspective on it, you know.

01:11:43.060 That's right.

01:11:43.660 Yeah, I agree.

01:11:44.400 Because we are, it's easy for us to be all let astray in the mayhem of it, in the chaos, you know.

01:11:55.020 And just not pausing for those split seconds going, hold on a minute.

01:11:58.840 I mean, there are so many kind of consorts. 0.97

01:12:04.680 Well, there's so many things that are trying to, there are lots of counterparts that are trying to get us off what we need to be going to, you know.

01:12:13.340 That's why I think in this time it's kind of key to listen to the spirit of truth.

01:12:17.880 That's kind of the time that we've moved into.

01:12:19.580 You have to, you have to feel it.

01:12:21.080 You have to use that gut feeling as opposed to your brain, you know.

01:12:25.580 Yeah, that's it.

01:12:26.260 That's exactly it.

01:12:26.980 That's, it's following that, that inner voice, that gut feeling again.

01:12:30.900 And that you are, you know, you do have that connection to, to all of this.

01:12:35.540 I mean, never let some medium, some, some person that get in the way of that deep connection that you already have, that you have a right to.

01:12:44.440 It's, you have a direct line, you know.

01:12:46.940 And don't forget it.

01:12:48.960 You're going to have influences that are, that might necessarily be on this level that obviously will want to feed off you in a way.

01:12:55.760 I mean, opening up your heart, but be tough, make sure it's tough love.

01:13:00.900 Discern what you're opening yourself up to.

01:13:03.700 It's, it's a tough one, but you can't be naive when you are, when you're in this area as well of research.

01:13:09.420 Because, you know, there, there are things that will prey on you.

01:13:12.680 And it's, it's like looking back on past relationships.

01:13:16.700 And, and when you thought something was what it was, it wasn't, you know.

01:13:20.040 And when you put an image on it that it isn't actually.

01:13:23.340 And, and then we learned the hard way.

01:13:25.540 But you still come out of it.

01:13:26.940 I mean, I, I don't think anyone is ever going to be totally thrown off course.

01:13:31.200 But I, I tell you, it is, it is a total journey.

01:13:33.820 And as Joseph Campbell says, you have to discover your own mythology, you know.

01:13:38.480 That is, you can't follow someone else's mythology.

01:13:40.860 You can't follow the so-called teachers or the gurus who do have their advice, their knowledge to kind of, to, to disseminate.

01:13:49.680 But, I mean, you can't follow their word all the time.

01:13:52.080 They're, they're making their journey as well.

01:13:54.580 And, I mean, you know, take the guidance that you can.

01:13:57.720 But don't forget your, your own, your own voice as well.

01:14:04.320 That's right.

01:14:04.600 And become your own archetype, your own original one.

01:14:07.240 And, you know, I'm sick of hearing about, oh, I'm an incarnation of ISIS.

01:14:12.240 It's like, come on.

01:14:13.480 It's kind of cool.

01:14:14.340 Let's, let's, let's move on.

01:14:17.080 Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, there are many, well, there's so many though as well.

01:14:21.580 This, this is another thing that, that kind of, it, it boggles me.

01:14:24.960 There are so many types of personalities and archetypes.

01:14:28.540 There's a rich array of them.

01:14:30.460 And I think, yeah, this is another thing.

01:14:32.160 And they're just the, the usual ones we always hear about, you know, you know, like ISIS or, you know, you have Zeus and all the, the pantheon of all the gods and all the cultures. 0.60

01:14:43.300 The usual ones we always hear about.

01:14:45.280 But I'm almost fascinating about, almost fascinated by hearing the, the, the names I don't generally come across most, you know, often.

01:14:53.020 And, and, and it's just a little interest I have, you know, in, in, in checking it out.

01:14:58.600 But, but like going back to, like looking over the evolution for myself, my own, the own, the journey I've made so far, I have a long way to go with still.

01:15:12.060 I mean, um, the material that, the, the artwork that I've done mostly on, on, on my, on my website, um, it's, it's for a couple of bands and it's mostly, again, doom rock.

01:15:23.060 Uh, it's, it's that heavy, heavy, heavy bass, um, kind of chunky, slow rhythm sounds that it's a real lower chakra, uh, kind of buzz to it.

01:15:33.400 And, um, but my, the, the thing is that the artwork is always changing all the time and, uh, you know, it, it never, I don't wish to it ever to stay stagnant, you know.

01:15:46.800 It has to keep evolving more and more and I, and I'm not gonna aim to have a style specifically.

01:15:54.840 The only thing I know is that it's coming out of my, it's coming out of me somehow and it is what it is, you know.

01:16:01.980 And, um, I totally embrace, um, everyone else that does their own thing.

01:16:06.600 And competition, this is another thing that stifles some of the most incredible minds and incredible artists.

01:16:12.460 And it drives you, competition will drive you and, and stresses you to get to, uh, to strive to that potential.

01:16:20.100 But the jealousy that comes within the competition actually is the killer because you forget to embrace that other person's, that, their own expression,

01:16:30.260 which again is part of the whole creation that, you know, that's speaking back to you, you know.

01:16:34.960 And that's, that's something that I find with some of the most incredible minds, incredible musicians, artists, et cetera, et cetera.

01:16:43.280 That's the, the biggest fault.

01:16:45.400 It's just, it, it's a crutch, you know what I mean?

01:16:47.200 It just kind of, it's a, it stands out, you know, it just gets in the way and it's really unnecessary.

01:16:53.560 Yeah, you have to just crush that feeling when you feel that it does no good.

01:16:56.520 It does no good.

01:16:58.060 It really does, um, stop, um, it just stifles the progress, you know.

01:17:05.560 Well, whatever that progress it is, you know.

01:17:10.200 But, um, uh, to kind of, uh, bring up, by the way, um, when it comes to music and archaeology,

01:17:19.720 musical instruments are something that I'm, I am really fascinated about.

01:17:23.400 Uh, archaeo, archaeo musicology is an incredible subject and, uh, hearing about the Neanderthal flute find,

01:17:32.420 it was found in Serbia in a cave and it was on, um, I think it was a bear's femur.

01:17:37.640 And it, this, this is a Neanderthal flute that when played, it echoes something that it's, it's happening right now.

01:17:47.060 You know, it's like of this moment, it's completely contemporary, you know.

01:17:51.220 We have this, uh, fixed opinion that things in the past were completely, you know, devolved and, and, you know, just, you know, just unsophisticated and uncreative, you know.

01:18:02.800 Uh, very kind of narrow-minded opinion.

01:18:06.380 But when you look at the material that happily has survived because the stuff that hasn't survived that did exist,

01:18:12.940 we can't even bring up because they say it didn't exist, you know.

01:18:15.620 But it's, the stuff that is there staring at our faces, um, again, is another kind of message of the, the development or, or the, the human story of where we've come to now.

01:18:29.160 And, and, and, and kind of, it, it kind of might echo some of the research people are trying to bring to the, to, to the foreground of the calamities or the changes or these, you know, the, what really happened?

01:18:42.820 What really, what did really go on then, you know, what has shaped to where we are now?

01:18:48.280 And, um, you know, that, that's what I find really fascinating, um, when I, when we look at some of, some of this material.

01:18:56.380 So, one last question for you.

01:18:59.340 I just wanted to get your take on 2012, the end of the Mayan calendar.

01:19:04.740 Yeah, the, it's, well, uh, when I first heard about it, um, it's, you know, it's one of those things that, of course, I want to know a lot more about it.

01:19:15.720 I, I mean, it was just really interesting.

01:19:18.120 Uh, it's more than interesting.

01:19:19.720 I felt, well, this is something that it, this, this, we're all part of this, you know, so I have to check this out.

01:19:24.180 And, um, my own personal opinion on it would be that, uh, without a shout, without a shadow of a doubt, there's definitely going to be, um, massive changes.

01:19:36.100 Um, but it's not what we would assume as they are.

01:19:39.280 I mean, there's just a lot of chaos going on at the moment in all, most, most of the countries, particularly within the political area.

01:19:46.180 area and what I, I, I can just see this, uh, there's a lot of the, you know, I can see things falling, um, apart in a way.

01:19:57.620 I think that the cards are falling bit by bit.

01:20:01.000 Um, it's, it's a really tough one, Lana, because one part of you thinks there's, I don't know if there's, uh, if there's a lot of honesty.

01:20:13.500 I mean, I don't think people are, uh, actually lying about what they, they know, but I mean, I don't think, I think we're getting bombarded left, right and center and we're being put off track big time on what possibly could be happening.

01:20:27.460 And there's many, uh, but outcomes, um, but any specific feelings you have?

01:20:34.760 Mm.

01:20:35.880 I, I'm wary, actually.

01:20:38.360 I'm actually quite wary.

01:20:39.260 I don't believe it's going to be this big, um, massive kind of, uh, the earth rotating in a, in a massive scale or anything, but I, I, I could see changes.

01:20:50.240 I mean, there has, it has been said that the sun is, is acting up quite a lot and, you know, if it's a case that the sun might be soon dying, well, I, I can't see much life on the earth.

01:21:02.200 You know, I think, uh, a lot of animals will want to reincarnate or get the hell out of here.

01:21:07.740 You know, I, I don't think anyone will be along or will be around here for much longer if that is the, the case.

01:21:13.880 But, uh, the 2012, um, phenomenon, it's right now it's left me really baffled.

01:21:21.400 And I actually, I was thinking about it so much a couple of years back that I haven't been thinking about it at all.

01:21:26.460 Now that we're actually in 2012.

01:21:28.440 And I wonder if after the year goes by, everyone's just going to be kind of about it, you know?

01:21:35.400 You know, it's bad because that, you asked me something I actually haven't thought about in a while.

01:21:40.360 Um, because I mean, I mean, steeped up at all this other stuff that I'm going, well, Jane, this is great stuff, you know?

01:21:45.440 Hey, no worries.

01:21:46.380 None of us have all the answers.

01:21:47.780 Yeah, I mean, well, I, you could definitely sense that there's, uh, I wouldn't discredit that every couple of thousand years, something, the gates are opening or they're closing.

01:22:01.100 And that's why there's some race to get something done, whatever that is and whoever it is.

01:22:06.040 And those who are of the, again, self-serving nature, who have control or whatever they wanted at their fingertips are possibly really scrambling.

01:22:18.660 Because the thing is, most of us have nothing.

01:22:20.780 And most of us have nothing really to lose because some of us don't really have much anyway, you know?

01:22:25.180 I mean, if you have the ideas in your head and what you, you know, what you just enjoy and love around you.

01:22:31.460 And I mean, that's, that will, that always will continue on.

01:22:35.100 That will linger on no matter what.

01:22:36.900 But those who have these just fixation on material things and have all this, you know, they're just, they, yeah, they are slaves actually themselves because they've, uh, put themselves in a situation.

01:22:47.480 They've detached themselves from, they've become completely detached, I think, um, for what really, you know, what's, what's on, what's on the cards.

01:22:58.280 I, I wouldn't, I can't see the earth.

01:23:01.700 I mean, the earth can shake us all off like flies if it wishes to, you know?

01:23:06.060 And it is meant to have been here to get us through, um, things that we were meant to, our goal was to kind of understand or learn.

01:23:17.480 And, uh, clearly things have been hijacked because nothing makes bloody sense.

01:23:23.160 You know, you're here for how many years?

01:23:25.600 You, you, you wake up and you're here and you're told this is how it is.

01:23:29.280 And there's always a problem left, right and center.

01:23:32.420 And nothing seems to work properly.

01:23:34.940 And, uh, you know, things should be just like that.

01:23:38.220 You should be able to get things done without any hesitation, you know?

01:23:42.000 But yeah, no, it doesn't work like that at all.

01:23:44.360 And, um, someone says that's just like, that's just life.

01:23:47.580 No, it's not just life.

01:23:48.980 You know, you have to kind of, uh, look at it as that things are not full of chaos all the time.

01:23:56.020 You know, there should be a natural order to things.

01:23:58.240 Well, let's face it.

01:23:58.900 And most governments are part of all of the chaos.

01:24:02.060 They create all the chaos.

01:24:03.320 Yeah, it's exactly the lie that they keep kind of making another lie to kind of protect that lie that they lied before that lie.

01:24:10.900 You know, it's unbelievable, but I mean, I, I, uh, what we as, as ordinary divine beautiful people should realize is that, um, meditating on the visions that you wish to see around you or, you know, you can create what you wish around you.

01:24:33.580 You know, you just have, you, we've been conditioned to a degree that we can't, we're, we're incapable of that.

01:24:39.260 So they can use all the type of keys they want through the symbols and, and all of that to sell their products, you know, and such and such.

01:24:45.220 But we can, we don't have that.

01:24:46.860 We are not, we have no access to that.

01:24:48.340 You know, it's clearly a big bully tactic that's going on and, you know, bullies are the worst because they're the most scared.

01:24:53.820 That's why they're acting the way they are.

01:24:55.560 Um, and they, they just can't, uh, they're, they're just complete.

01:24:59.520 And it's not even a personal thing, actually.

01:25:01.160 That's the thing.

01:25:01.900 It's totally impersonal.

01:25:03.360 They don't care.

01:25:04.420 They just do what they wish to do because that's how they see it is they're, they're like really struggling just to keep on going, you know?

01:25:10.920 Well, maybe they are hybrids. 0.72

01:25:12.380 Who knows?

01:25:13.960 Yeah.

01:25:14.440 Yeah.

01:25:14.720 I mean, I mean, it's kind of, you wouldn't be surprised.

01:25:17.780 Yeah.

01:25:18.140 And as well as that, going back to, um, you know, within metal music, you do tip on, uh, aspects of the occult.

01:25:25.800 And, um, it's again, it's a club, I suppose, uh, that I'm not invited to.

01:25:30.620 Um, you know, all these kind of clubs that, um, if you're excluded, you just, you can sniff that out for yourself and realize, okay, something's up here.

01:25:39.320 You know, if you have to pay allegiance to someone like that, something like that, you know, you know, something's up.

01:25:44.720 And, you know, like I remember, for example, Geezer Butler, uh, the, the bassist from Black Sabbath, he, in the earlier days, he was dabbling, as he said, with the occult.

01:25:53.980 And this is an innocent kind of night, you know, curiosity.

01:25:56.860 That's kind of getting into areas that you have to be a bit more aware of, be more cautious of.

01:26:00.560 And, yeah, he was, he said he had dabbled with the Ouija board, maybe, for a bit.

01:26:05.560 And he woke up one morning, and he saw the shadowy figure at the end of his bed. 0.99

01:26:09.620 Now, whatever it was, it was like, uh, state your allegiance or fuck off. 0.99

01:26:15.100 That was the kind of message he kind of thought. 1.00

01:26:18.180 Yeah.

01:26:19.060 Quite direct, you know.

01:26:20.840 Honestly, direct.

01:26:21.500 But it was his attitude was, he's like, I'm getting out of this.

01:26:24.740 I'm not messing with this stuff anymore.

01:26:26.900 You know, you have, there's a price you pay.

01:26:29.220 Yeah, there's good and bad everywhere on every level.

01:26:31.960 Yeah, definitely.

01:26:33.120 And, but, uh, I could sense, I mean, I, you know, there's a lot of, you know, it, it is there.

01:26:40.800 And I think a lot of, a lot of people particularly that are into, it's become really fashionable,

01:26:46.480 a cult rock, and, I mean, it was always there anyway, but, um, it's become really particularly

01:26:52.000 fashionable now, and, uh, it's not a trendy thing, you know, you don't wear it around your

01:26:57.240 neck, like, you know, in Topshop or, you know, Oasis, having these nice little necklaces

01:27:01.980 that are like totems or, you know, little kind of, uh, you know, little aspects that they

01:27:08.080 think are quite fashionable and cool, but, I mean, you know, you don't know really what's

01:27:12.860 behind it, and, um, for example, what goes back to codes and symbols, uh, yes, you see

01:27:19.920 the pentagram splashed around a lot, um, within, you know, between pagan circles and, uh, and,

01:27:26.780 and then, you know, a cult rock, and, uh, the pentagram is, uh, it's, it's, it's a pretty

01:27:35.060 old symbol that's being used there, and, you know, and for water, whatever use it's attached

01:27:40.020 with, you know, you kind of have to question, well, yes, that is a sacred old symbol, so

01:27:43.780 what is it attached to here, like, what product are they putting it on for us to kind of get

01:27:48.160 drawn into, it's a magnet almost, and, I mean, it is, you know, I have no doubt about it, I

01:27:53.140 think it is a sexual kind of code magnet, and no wonder, like, you see that kind of flaunted

01:27:58.460 with, um, it dabbled in the kind of satanic kind of facial circles, you know, and, and, or

01:28:05.260 pagan, you know, it is, it is a, a very, kind of, you could say, sacred code, but if it's

01:28:10.740 being misused, you know, you have to kind of peek up your ears, without me being too

01:28:15.700 vague, and, and maybe annoying some people by saying that, but that's just how it is,

01:28:20.380 you know, it's, you just have to be more aware of what, what you're, you're looking at, and,

01:28:25.580 I mean, some of the, uh, some of these, these, these, these symbols that, that are overly

01:28:31.560 used, um, not for good, anyway, you know, the, the symbol itself isn't bad, it's just

01:28:38.640 what it's used for, you know, because they're definitely using it as a magnet, they're drawing

01:28:43.260 you in, and they know that, but, again, I don't think some of the bands are such and

01:28:48.660 such, you know, are looking at it like that, you know, but you kind of have to, it's, it

01:28:55.600 kind of, uh, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a curious one, you know.

01:29:00.620 Well, why don't you give out your website so everyone can go check out your art?

01:29:05.720 Yes, right, well, my, my current website at the moment is on www.wix.com

01:29:11.900 slash Elaine C slash Scraffito, that's S-G-R-A-F-F-I-T-O, and, um, I will be updating it over the next 0.93

01:29:22.620 month or two, and there will be more material up and more canvas pieces.

01:29:26.300 At the moment, it's artworks, uh, straight from 2006 up to 2010, so it's only been four

01:29:35.900 years' work, but I have more material that I'm going to be, uh, putting up there, and,

01:29:39.540 uh, yeah.

01:29:40.940 Well, thank you so much for coming on today, it's always a blast talking with you.

01:29:44.780 Yeah, it's been an absolute pleasure, Lana, thank you so much.

01:29:47.400 Again, go to Mila Mila Malgut, a thousand thanks to your way, and to all the listeners that,

01:29:51.680 uh, given their time just to listen to me waffle, um, on, you know, so, um, yeah, it's

01:29:57.040 been a, a real, uh, privilege and an honour to be on, so thank you so much, and, uh, wish

01:30:01.160 the best of luck.

01:30:02.220 We're going to leave you today with one of Elaine's favourite songs by Black Sabbath called

01:30:05.680 Spiral Architect.

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Radio 3Fourteen - May 16, 2012

The Artistic Process _ The Spirit of the Times

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