Radio 3Fourteen - The Clash Between Voluntaryism_ Leftism _ Multiculturalism

00:00:00.000 Thank you for listening.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:01:00.000 And I'm sure many of you have been down that road, but we change as our experience and

00:01:04.240 truth expands.

00:01:05.620 I, too, thought that voluntary society that respected the non-aggression principle would

00:01:09.980 be the ideal society.

00:01:12.020 But then I woke up to cultural Marxism, the blatant war on whites, and the plan to flood 0.96

00:01:18.080 all European countries with non-whites as a way to destroy our unity, our culture, and 1.00

00:01:22.960 our way of life. 0.99

00:01:23.740 I woke up to white genocide and all the ugliness that comes with it. 0.71

00:01:28.540 Libertarianism and anarchism is still a utopian idea. 0.97

00:01:32.380 And when you're in a war, utopian ideas get you killed.

00:01:36.480 Am I against our current government?

00:01:38.100 Yes, of course.

00:01:39.460 But libertarianism and anarchism is not presenting real tactics to crush the beast that is our

00:01:45.620 government.

00:01:46.740 Returning back to the Constitution is also a lost cause.

00:01:49.840 Travel around America.

00:01:51.900 See how it has changed in a rapid amount of time.

00:01:54.920 Newcomers don't give a damn about the Constitution or your forefathers, because we are undergoing 1.00

00:02:00.560 neocolonization.

00:02:02.400 So how would volunteerism work then?

00:02:05.220 Although it was Europeans who created America, it was not founded based on an ancestral basis,

00:02:11.140 but based on an ideology.

00:02:13.460 Historically, countries founded on ideology rather than DNA fail.

00:02:17.500 And so will America. 0.78

00:02:19.840 So here we are revisiting a subject I felt strongly about a couple years ago.

00:02:24.040 My guest, Connor Boyack, has been featured regularly on mainstream shows.

00:02:28.260 He's the founder of the Libertas Institute, a free market think tank in Utah.

00:02:32.960 He is the author of several books, including Fearedom, on how politicians use fear-mongering

00:02:37.860 to acquire more power.

00:02:39.780 I realize there are different types of libertarians, and some favor national borders, but most don't.

00:02:45.480 Listen to what Connor has to say.

00:02:47.360 How does this subject fit with you today?

00:02:49.840 Welcome to the young and prolific, Connor.

00:02:51.820 Thanks for coming on.

00:02:53.280 Thanks for having me.

00:02:54.060 Appreciate it.

00:02:54.760 I wanted to discuss your book, Fearedom, how politicians exploit our emotions.

00:02:58.260 But first, share with us your political leanings, because as far as I understand, you went from libertarian to anarchist, correct?

00:03:04.380 The progression perhaps was broader than that.

00:03:06.840 You know, I was brought up in a generally conservative household, although I didn't really know what that meant.

00:03:11.820 To this day, I don't know what a conservative is.

00:03:14.060 And every time I ask a conservative what a conservative is, they don't really have a good answer.

00:03:18.180 How conservative is?

00:03:18.920 Yeah, I don't even, they don't even know.

00:03:21.440 That's the problem.

00:03:22.140 I ended up becoming kind of a constitutionalist after kind of studying American history and thinking that, you know, the Constitution was the bee's knees, but quickly realized that constitutionalists don't have an answer for local government.

00:03:35.560 They're all about the federal government, and many of the constitutionalists I met supported all sorts of local tyranny.

00:03:41.080 And so I realized that that was not a good philosophical framework.

00:03:44.620 Ended up, of course, after that in libertarianism.

00:03:47.420 But people always ask, what's the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?

00:03:51.640 And the running joke is, you know, four months, just a little bit of time, and you end up that way.

00:03:56.540 And I don't call myself that just because of the stigma and everything.

00:03:59.400 I use voluntarist.

00:04:00.800 I love that this utopian notion of a voluntary, you know, civil society, and that's kind of what we, what I kind of brand it as.

00:04:08.140 But yeah, just this belief that we need cooperation and voluntarism, not ideas so good they're meant to be implemented by force.

00:04:15.600 That's right.

00:04:16.640 Well, you clearly understand the war on family, probably the war on whites, cultural Marxism, and then there's this insane, this puritanical left, which is pushing for all sorts of government policies and hate speech, favoring some groups over others.

00:04:30.800 But from your view, what's the best tactic to crush this leftist tyranny?

00:04:35.860 Oh, that's a good question.

00:04:38.240 I'd have to say context, right?

00:04:40.560 Because that's what the so-called left always fails to provide.

00:04:44.000 They always have this very mangled view, outlook of the world whenever it's, you know, media on MSNPC.

00:04:51.680 Not that the right is immune to this by any means, but since we're talking about this very concerted effort that the left has waged.

00:04:59.480 You know, I think it's often without context.

00:05:01.560 They aren't looking at that, okay, all of these things are happening, some of them are bad.

00:05:04.980 But what does that look like in the context of history?

00:05:07.940 What does it look like in the context of what liberals themselves are supporting on other issues?

00:05:12.820 And I think it's a problem more generally with the public.

00:05:14.920 And a lot of the work that I do with public interest policy, there's a lot of seemingly lack of awareness about things other than what is being presented in the very initial conversation.

00:05:24.820 So no one asks questions, they don't really study the broader issues, and so the entire conversation becomes this very narrow spectrum of the information that's provided to the individual.

00:05:34.680 And unless we kind of take a step back, look at the 10,000-foot view, and try and understand, you know, the big picture, the context, we're really just kind of going down this path that's being almost manufactured for us.

00:05:45.700 Where, you know, if I give you choice A and choice B, but I don't tell you about choice C, clearly I've controlled you to a certain extent, and I can shape the outcome of what we're going to do.

00:05:55.460 And I think that, especially with the help of the media, that's what we see so often unraveling with this plan that you mentioned.

00:06:00.700 Yeah, I just wonder how far this is going to go if we don't push back at some point.

00:06:06.480 Sky's the limit, I guess.

00:06:08.860 Yeah, I'd like to see a lot of, I know a lot of anarchists, they say they're beyond the left and right, but unfortunately everything kind of gets polarized into left and right.

00:06:17.000 So I'd like to see many groups maybe aligning to smash some of this leftist tyranny, because is anarchism strong enough to push back?

00:06:23.760 Well, I think how anarchism can best succeed, or rather how this voluntary society can be achieved, is by making friends.

00:06:32.680 My biggest concern with the liberty movement generally is that you get the Puritans who basically try and alienate anyone who's not as pure as they are, right? 0.97

00:06:41.560 And, oh, you're only 80% anarchist, or you're only a 75% libertarian, or whatever.

00:06:46.480 You're not good enough.

00:06:47.280 I totally disagree with you.

00:06:48.320 Therefore, I'm just going to not associate with you at all.

00:06:50.700 And in the course of my work, we've had the opportunity to work with people.

00:06:53.520 I disagree with strongly on some issues, and I think are just doing some things that I can't stand, I think are totally wrongheaded.

00:07:00.640 And yet on policies where we agree, we can join forces.

00:07:03.500 And not only does it help facilitate common goals, and we can work towards common objectives, but also it builds a relationship that can be used to persuade and educate and nurture that relationship down the road.

00:07:16.420 What's that saying?

00:07:17.360 That people don't care what you know until they know how much you care.

00:07:20.520 I think we need to be friendly.

00:07:21.920 I think there's something to be said about trying to put into practice what we preach.

00:07:27.600 And if we think that our ideas are the method to human prosperity and happiness, let's not be grumpy.

00:07:34.100 Let's not be alienating.

00:07:35.420 Let's not just criticize everybody.

00:07:37.140 Yes, there's problems.

00:07:38.240 But let's be positive.

00:07:40.080 Let's be happy.

00:07:40.780 Let's be willing to work together with one another and expose others to our ideas rather than drawing all these walls around one another.

00:07:49.100 It's something I really can't stand.

00:07:51.020 And whether anarchism or libertarianism more generally, it seems that people are just bitter or totally disinterested towards those with whom they disagree to any degree.

00:08:02.280 Well, it seems Mormons to me. 0.85

00:08:03.600 They're more anarchist and self-reliant.

00:08:05.460 They seem like they're against the state in a lot of ways.

00:08:07.780 They're industrious, creating businesses.

00:08:09.740 They take care of each other, almost like their own welfare state.

00:08:12.500 And they even are kind of separatists by claiming an area to preserve your way of life.

00:08:16.900 Would you agree with that?

00:08:18.480 I would agree that from an outside view, you can see some of the things that you just mentioned.

00:08:22.760 In fact, that was a very good list and good characterization from an outside view as to how Mormons or Latter-day Saints could be perceived and how some of these outcomes that are a byproduct of our theology could be perceived as philosophically aligned or aligned based on outcome with anarchism.

00:08:41.940 But if you talk to the average Mormon, not only would they not understand what anarchism is or voluntarism, but they would have this visceral reaction to it if you explain it to them.

00:08:52.740 Most Latter-day Saints are very supportive of the Constitution, believe it was divinely inspired of God.

00:09:00.460 And so they become statists but probably more minarchists, right?

00:09:04.480 They're willing to tolerate a government.

00:09:06.080 Of course, we have Harry Reid and we have Mitt Romney and we have everyone in between, myself being a voluntarist as well.

00:09:13.760 So there's a wide spectrum.

00:09:14.920 But by and large, I would say Mormons are supportive of the state, especially increasingly so in recent decades where there's been a lot more willingness to vote for social democratic policies and just go along with the status quo.

00:09:27.900 But if you look at kind of the fundamentals, the theology, and even still some of the outcomes, I think it is fair to say that there is a lot of alignment.

00:09:35.220 I've written a book basically on that exact thing, arguing for the points that you actually mentioned.

00:09:40.080 And so I think it kind of depends.

00:09:41.620 I think we need to shift the needle back to where it used to be.

00:09:44.800 I think in recent decades we've actually, as a church membership, gone in the wrong direction.

00:09:49.300 Well, another thing, there's a lot of anti-statists and they don't seem to be bothered with this forced mass immigration and multiculturalism, even though this is really government created.

00:10:00.220 They're making these problems happen.

00:10:01.740 So some of these people just say, oh, but countries are just imaginary lines.

00:10:04.920 Yet we know borders and boundaries have existed for thousands of years and there's cultures within those boundaries.

00:10:10.640 So what are your thoughts on this?

00:10:12.620 Yeah, you know, I actually favor open immigration from a property rights standpoint. 0.75

00:10:16.240 I think one of the biggest problems we have today is with this notion of collectivism, of public property, where people have the right to regulate one another.

00:10:25.840 We're dealing with a lot of policies in Utah right now where voters are trying to use zoning ordinances as basically a weapon against their neighbors to say, no, I don't think you should be able to build a shed or have weeds taller than three inches.

00:10:39.380 Or I don't think that this landowner should be able to develop it into a commercial building.

00:10:44.700 I think we've gotten to the point where people are comfortable using the law to dictate to other people how they can use their property.

00:10:52.080 I've lived in Honduras for a couple of years about a decade ago.

00:10:56.520 I have many friends down there.

00:10:57.780 It's in Central America.

00:10:58.680 And I would love the opportunity to provide – I would love to provide an opportunity for some of my friends to come live in our basement maybe for a period of time and work for me or for another business owner friend of mine to expand their network, expand their cultural awareness and horizons.

00:11:17.120 You know, have that opportunity.

00:11:18.740 And yet they can't even though it would be strictly private property.

00:11:22.360 Of course, the roads is always the ultimate argument that we talk about.

00:11:26.800 But I don't agree with this conception that the existence of borders justifies the collective, justifies the majority in being able to say, you know what, you have to go through this procedure.

00:11:37.480 You have to get the government's permission.

00:11:39.360 I think borders are jurisdictional.

00:11:41.420 They denote the boundaries around which a certain government operates.

00:11:44.680 But they don't necessarily confer any authority that the residents within those borders themselves do or don't have.

00:11:51.600 You have to first have that authority.

00:11:52.940 And just like I can't tell my neighbor that, hey, you can't let this, you know, Colombian live with you guys or go work for your business, I don't think we can delegate that right to the government. 0.99

00:12:01.560 I think our immigration policies are totally upside down.

00:12:05.240 And even those who will concede, oh, yeah, you know, we need to streamline immigration.

00:12:08.540 We need to fix it.

00:12:09.200 Everyone recognizes that's the problem.

00:12:10.760 But deep down inside, there are very few who are willing to go towards the laissez-faire policy that we had for the first century in America, which was basically open borders to a large extent.

00:12:20.160 And I think freedom and property rights and markets and everything else dictate that we need to get back to that point if we're going to have any sanity anytime soon on this issue.

00:12:28.680 Well, my issue here, too, is that then what happens is let's say there's a group of Europeans who are separatists and they say, no, we want to go do something different here.

00:12:36.800 They're not allowed to do it.

00:12:38.080 The government will actually go chase them down and prevent them from doing something like that.

00:12:43.000 Yeah.

00:12:43.680 And it's, of course, a problem with a welfare state, right, where that's the biggest argument is many people will even concede, oh, yeah, we want free immigration, but we simply can't have it with a welfare state right now.

00:12:54.560 And so, therefore, because we have a welfare state, we're going to justify this micromanagerial immigration regime.

00:13:02.920 And, you know, I think the skeptics among us might say that, well, maybe increasing immigration and saturating things in America might finally be the straw that breaks the camel's back and we can start to, you know, scale down the welfare policy.

00:13:16.220 But certainly if we're just handing away government goodies to anyone who shows up, it is going to be a problem.

00:13:20.400 Well, that's right.

00:13:20.480 Then they all want to come because of the money.

00:13:22.780 So if the government wasn't involved, I think most of these people wouldn't because most people want to be around their own folk, their own culture, their own blood and soil.

00:13:30.940 And if it was anarchist, I think there would be – people would actually be fighting like the good old days.

00:13:36.360 You fight and create those boundaries and you make that happen.

00:13:39.340 You don't just sit down and just surrender, you know.

00:13:41.900 I mean, I think at the end of the day, we need to get to a point where people are encouraged, if not required, to have personal responsibility.

00:13:49.200 I mean, if we didn't have a welfare state, if you had to look out for yourself and your family, you'd naturally be inclined to find, you know, locations, markets, job opportunities where you could do that.

00:14:00.240 Your first prerogative wouldn't be to find where you can get, you know, food stamps or free education or health care.

00:14:07.060 And it's these policies that really blur the lines and prevent people from making those moral choices because suddenly they're incentivized to do the opposite.

00:14:15.080 And I think the large part is these incentives that exist that prevent people from even giving consideration to personal responsibility as important as it is.

00:14:23.980 Well, speaking of private property, is Utah also going to be feeling the brunt of this hood or fair housing? 0.76

00:14:28.820 Because, you know, Utah's zip codes, it's a bit too white, Connor. 0.74

00:14:34.380 Yeah, I don't know how many, you know, other people would want to move into, you know, this type of environment.

00:14:40.460 Utah's beautiful.

00:14:41.360 Of course, it is homogenous from an outsider's perspective in many ways.

00:14:44.940 Yeah, I don't know.

00:14:45.400 We haven't really seen that issue playing out that much.

00:14:47.440 But especially with the big social justice agenda of the left, you really do see this push for equalization, you know, in education, in employment, certainly in housing.

00:14:56.960 And we haven't really seen that happen too much in Utah, but I wouldn't expect not to see it in the future.

00:15:04.640 So what are your thoughts on, like, egalitarianism and hate speech that's coming in full force?

00:15:09.660 What do you think about this?

00:15:10.520 You know, it's interesting as a libertarian, when I'm asked my opinion on any given policy, it becomes pretty easy, right?

00:15:19.680 Because you take it down to the fundamental question of would I have the right to, you know, use violence or coercion against my neighbor to implement or enforce policy X.

00:15:29.560 And, you know, I'm often asked in the course of my work, you know, with Libertas Institute, what's your position on this, that, and the other?

00:15:35.780 And I think it's interesting to see the reactions that I get where people are surprised at how quickly I can respond to that.

00:15:42.360 Because ultimately, it just has to pass the gut check test.

00:15:45.460 In my mind, the only exercise I'm doing is would I feel comfortable and morally justified if I did this to my neighbor or if my neighbor did this to me?

00:15:53.920 And it's amazing how many of these issues just dissolve when you put them up against that test.

00:15:59.840 You know, with egalitarianism and equality and all this kind of stuff, this notion of social justice, it's basically simply using the government as a vehicle to pursue ends that a subset of the population desires.

00:16:12.400 And whether it's Republican or Democrat, whether it's, you know, the pro-crony business or egalitarian or whatever, I kind of cynically call elections a political popularity contest, right?

00:16:24.680 This is just people trying to wrest control of the power of government to enforce their views on the dissenting minority.

00:16:31.080 And at the end of the day, I don't understand how any sane person sees that as something viable, as something praiseworthy or beneficial, unless clearly they've enjoyed the majority a while.

00:16:42.220 An example I'll throw at you really quick is same-sex marriage, right? 1.00

00:16:45.300 For decades, eons, conservatives have been able to use the power of marriage licensure to ensure that they could prohibit interracial marriages for a while and then, of course, same-sex marriages as well. 0.77

00:16:57.760 And they were comfortable with this government power.

00:16:59.740 They praised it, they supported it, they defended it.

00:17:03.600 And only when the cultural tides began to shift, only when different groups began to compete and wrest control of that power that conservatives long had, are conservatives now freaking out and even some considering, oh, maybe it's time to get government out of marriage altogether.

00:17:19.900 But it's this very notion that the power is there and it becomes just the popularity contest whereby a majority imposes their views on the minority.

00:17:27.560 And it's easier to convince the minority that this is unjust until too often the minority becomes the majority on one or more issues and suddenly they love it because, hey, we're in control and it's intoxicating and we can finally get our way.

00:17:41.560 But we try and appeal to the people who recognize that this is a fundamentally unjust and immoral way of governing society and really the approach is decentralizing and tearing away from government all of these purported authorities that allow for this type of gamesmanship to happen.

00:17:58.680 And I just think it's really messed up.

00:18:00.660 And so back to your question about what do I think, you know, at the end of the day, I think we have to ask ourselves, are we comfortable with people going to jail or even dying as we see all of the use of force across the United States with police officers?

00:18:12.360 Do we want people dying because of this policy?

00:18:14.340 Would I be OK if my neighbor died because he disagreed with it?

00:18:17.500 And that becomes a tough pill to swallow.

00:18:19.580 Yeah.

00:18:19.840 And what was so annoying about this whole gay marriage hoopla is people all of a sudden just love the government. 0.99

00:18:24.600 They forget about all the dirty things they've done.

00:18:27.040 And they just, you know, the White House was lit up in rainbows and everyone was just so happy.

00:18:31.280 You know, this is it.

00:18:33.680 I agree with that.

00:18:35.120 I would I'm concerned with myopia, right, where or even the short attention span.

00:18:41.540 People have a short, bad short term or long term memory.

00:18:44.480 Rather, they only have a short term memory.

00:18:46.820 And how often is it that people it's what's that quote?

00:18:49.820 It's those who don't learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.

00:18:52.520 Right.

00:18:52.760 And you can't really learn from the past unless you can remember the past.

00:18:56.300 And I think that's where we get into the problem where today we have everyone has, you know, ADD and all these short attention spans and everything.

00:19:02.940 And people can't going back to the context.

00:19:05.300 People can't remember.

00:19:06.420 They don't understand in the context of history what this given issue is.

00:19:10.020 Therefore, we're not going to remember the history.

00:19:11.960 Therefore, we can't learn from it.

00:19:13.340 Therefore, we repeat it.

00:19:15.180 And and it's just cyclical.

00:19:16.700 It's happening over and over again.

00:19:17.980 And we need people who have that institutional memory that can say, look, guys, we've been through this before.

00:19:22.280 Can we try and, you know, try something else for once?

00:19:25.440 Yeah, I also notice there's such a double standard where now it's like, OK, we celebrate, you know, gay and group marriages. 0.95

00:19:30.600 But then when it comes to Mormon polygamists, oh, got to come in there and shut them down. 1.00

00:19:35.180 Right.

00:19:35.560 Well, it's it's funny.

00:19:36.540 We've it's funny you mentioned that we've raised that argument.

00:19:39.400 And of course, the Mormon church hasn't done polygamy since 1890.

00:19:43.100 There's some some splinter groups that have.

00:19:45.380 But but in our history.

00:19:48.000 Right.

00:19:48.400 It was the federal government coming against the Mormon church trying to impose a new definition of marriage with which everybody disagreed.

00:19:56.540 And church leadership was sent to prison.

00:19:59.640 People were going underground and evading law enforcement officers.

00:20:04.040 I mean, it was a huge thing.

00:20:05.320 The underground was this very real thing that people were protecting one another, especially church leaders, to shield them from prosecution.

00:20:11.780 Wives weren't testifying against husbands. 1.00

00:20:13.780 It was very difficult to enforce.

00:20:15.540 So there's this huge freak out.

00:20:16.700 And we, you know, so many of us here in Utah have ancestors who lived through that to either small or large degrees.

00:20:24.560 And now so many are supportive of the government doing the exact same thing to other people.

00:20:28.800 It's again, it's one more example of not having the context and recognizing that, hey, if you disagreed with it when the government wasn't on your side, you shouldn't agree with it.

00:20:37.220 Just because the government is on your side, you should disagree with it all the time to be consistent.

00:20:42.320 Do you think that Mormons are unfairly demonized?

00:20:44.360 Because I hear all kinds of things about them, and I think, no, I don't think that's true.

00:20:48.700 Like any group, it's easy to mischaracterize what is said about us.

00:20:54.080 It's funny, you know, I've written several books.

00:20:55.980 I do a lot of speaking on these issues.

00:20:57.360 And I, as such, I encounter a lot of people who aren't Mormon.

00:21:01.100 And the extent to which they know about Mormonism is, you know, from, you know, the South Park or the Book of Mormon musical or, you know, some Comedy Central clip or whatever.

00:21:12.180 And so that, you know, I was a missionary for my church.

00:21:15.940 That's why I was in Honduras for two years that I mentioned.

00:21:19.420 And so, you know, spend a lot of time working with people, teaching people who were told that we believed a certain thing when that clearly isn't true.

00:21:27.520 It's the same thing, though, politically, right?

00:21:29.320 People say, oh, you libertarians believe this, or I heard that, you know, anarchists think this or whatever.

00:21:34.280 And whether it's politics, religion, or business, or anything else, people have their biases.

00:21:40.240 They have the limited information that some purportedly authoritative source shared with them.

00:21:46.640 So it's not confined to religion.

00:21:48.120 I kind of get it in all aspects of my life.

00:21:50.460 And I think we all do, right?

00:21:51.580 We're used to people concluding things or believing things based on limited and, in some cases, incorrect information, Mormons or whoever.

00:21:58.740 I think that's just human nature to think we know, but we don't know what we don't know.

00:22:03.320 You know what I mean?

00:22:03.840 We don't realize that we might have been given incorrect information, but we're just going off of what we were told as if it was true.

00:22:10.620 So would you think that anarchism would be good for the whole world?

00:22:14.520 Is this like a globalist idea?

00:22:17.020 That's interesting to ponder, right?

00:22:20.260 Because everyone says, oh, you know, anarchism, go look at Somalia and see how that's holding up, right?

00:22:25.320 So in a global context, that's the example that's always shared.

00:22:28.480 But in reality, it's far from it.

00:22:30.280 When you look at specific examples of what Somalia has been through, the prevailing arguments that are used actually are incorrect.

00:22:37.560 And some of the arguments that Art mentioned work very much in favor of voluntarism when you look at some of the indices and the metrics by which you can judge societal progress and health and everything.

00:22:47.880 So, yes, I think it's for everybody simply because I think it's the only moral view.

00:22:52.520 I think ultimately government has to be through voluntary contractual agreement.

00:22:58.540 Why do I think that?

00:22:59.740 Well, what is government?

00:23:01.280 Government is merely an organization of people and that a group of people cannot delegate to an institution powers that they do not themselves have, right?

00:23:12.120 I can't empower an agent, a third party agent on my behalf to, you know, steal from my neighbor because I do not have that power myself.

00:23:19.600 And yet governments have asserted that they have general police powers and that they're parents patriae, which is the Latin term for being father of the nation, that they are ultimately in control of all children and all people in the state.

00:23:33.600 These legal doctrines have percolated and yet it's in total opposition to what government itself properly is.

00:23:40.680 Even many of the founders, Thomas Jefferson especially, right?

00:23:43.380 He advocated for repeatedly ratifying the Constitution in each new generation so that you could actually have consent of the governed.

00:23:50.740 We simply do not have consent of the governed and therefore everything ultimately the government is doing is illegitimate.

00:23:57.680 There is no way that those being governed today can actually consent.

00:24:02.440 And even if you consider elections, the method by which the governed can consent, you look at extremely low voter turnouts.

00:24:10.160 And then even those who show up to vote, it's only a majority of people imposing it on everybody else.

00:24:15.880 That's not consent of everybody who's governed.

00:24:18.340 So even logistically, theoretically, conceptually, voluntarism is the only model that makes sense for moral governance in any sort of civil society.

00:24:28.940 Otherwise, you're talking about empowering thugs to empower the will of the few upon the many.

00:24:34.040 And I just think that's a bad model.

00:24:35.500 Well, what about a splitting up or secessionist idea of the country breaking up into different areas?

00:24:40.880 Because some people actually want government.

00:24:42.200 Some people want to be national socialists.

00:24:44.580 Some people want to be anarchists.

00:24:46.000 And I don't think that they're, you know, with almost what, we're going to come up to 400 million people here.

00:24:50.560 It's hard to have one system that works for everyone.

00:24:53.240 So do you think that would be a potential?

00:24:55.340 Oh, absolutely.

00:24:56.400 Right.

00:24:56.720 Yeah.

00:24:56.980 No, I think that totally makes sense.

00:24:59.440 Decentralization fosters experimentation and innovation.

00:25:02.760 When you have top-down control, you don't have that.

00:25:05.220 So look at a hot topic right now like Common Core in education.

00:25:09.060 And you have all of these schools around the country being forced to change their education standards to this Common Core that's produced by an elite, small group of insiders.

00:25:20.860 It's never been pilot tested.

00:25:22.400 It's never been psychologically evaluated.

00:25:25.140 There's all sorts of problems with it.

00:25:26.760 And yet it's being imposed on, excuse me, on everybody.

00:25:30.080 What if instead you had innovation and freedom or, as you point out, decentralization and even secession between schools such that they could go different routes?

00:25:40.340 And things like Common Core or any of these novel concepts would not be enforced upon everybody but would rather be subject to the market, right?

00:25:48.460 So if you had secession, if the United States of America was broken up into 13, 15, 20, 40 countries, whatever, you could have different countries taking different routes and finding different ways of doing things.

00:25:59.900 And suddenly those in the United States who see that their neighbor made these three tweaks in the Constitution and look how much freer they are now, that becomes an incentive for the United States to shape up.

00:26:11.540 Otherwise, the citizens might move to another state.

00:26:14.080 This whole theory back in the day of the 50 states being laboratories of democracy, even though democracy is an awful term.

00:26:20.900 But in fact, a friend of mine often changes that one letter in that quote and instead of calling them laboratories of democracy, he calls them lavatories of democracy where you get the crappy end of things.

00:26:36.000 But the whole idea was that you would have mobility between them, that if I live in Utah and things are just going awful, I can vote with my feet.

00:26:42.740 And if enough people do that, like is happening right now in California where I'm from, right?

00:26:46.600 There's a mass exodus of people and companies from California because taxes are high, the drought's messed up, the government's messed up, education's messed up.

00:26:55.180 That has an impact, at least in theory, and the bad actors can be punished, finally.

00:27:00.640 So what are your thoughts on leadership?

00:27:02.960 I mean, Europeans have always had kings and leaders, role models, heroes, gods and goddesses.

00:27:07.620 Are you opposed to a natural hierarchy?

00:27:09.840 You know, I think as a Christian, I believe Christ is king.

00:27:13.260 In terms of human relations, I don't have any problem with that, whether in the animal order or the human order or whatever, provided that it's voluntary, right?

00:27:22.660 Like, so I am the leader of my organization, but nobody is compelled to be my employee.

00:27:28.620 But if they decide to enter into this contractual relationship and be my employee, there is a natural order because it is the way that this organization is laid out.

00:27:39.760 And it's through contract that they are recognizing that maybe some of their free speech rights are going to be suppressed on company time or whatever, if it's contradictory to what our organization stands for.

00:27:51.380 So through contract, you can, you know, suppress or abdicate some of your rights.

00:27:55.780 And through voluntary association, certainly I think we can build these, as you say, these natural order systems where we can delegate authority or recognize authority, much like the consent of the governed.

00:28:06.200 The government could do awful things, provided that it had the unanimous opt-in of everybody who was being governed, right?

00:28:13.820 When I talk about that a government can only have powers that we ourselves have, that's in this system where you have majority control.

00:28:21.120 But if, you know, you're on an island with 10 people and all 10 of you want to vote to, you know, empower this new government to do something that you would not morally be able to do yourself,

00:28:32.280 that's okay because everybody involved has agreed that consent has been given and therefore you can provide that power to that system.

00:28:39.840 We don't have that today.

00:28:40.720 And so provided that it's voluntary, consensual, contractual, I have no problem with leadership, with hierarchy, with, you know, any sort of non-flat system simply because people have opted in and they've agreed to whatever terms and conditions are involved.

00:28:56.600 Well, let's switch gears and talk about your book, Feardom.

00:28:59.340 I know you discuss how politicians use fear, but this can also apply to, well, I say, lamestream news, right?

00:29:05.820 Oh, not only can apply, certainly does apply.

00:29:09.400 Yeah, and it's what, six corporations own 90% of the news?

00:29:13.500 Yeah, no, it's total messaging.

00:29:15.560 In fact, in the book I point out a gentleman that many people aren't familiar with, Edward Bernays, who is the father of public relations.

00:29:22.040 We know who that is, yep.

00:29:23.120 Yeah, you know, and here's a guy who, through his government experience being Woodrow Wilson's confidant, was able to hone a practice and paradigm that launched many careers, that launched, basically changed government, changed industry.

00:29:38.820 And now, you know, in political terms it's called propaganda, but then when he went into private practice shortly after seeing what it had done in World War I and how public opinion could be shaped to such a large degree so affordably, went into the private sector and called it public relations.

00:29:54.960 And, you know, all the marketing and PR we have today as a result of this concerted effort to and calculated and very statistically significant way by which people can change behaviors.

00:30:06.860 And so, yeah, I think the media definitely can and does use fear.

00:30:10.820 As I note in the book, you can have it in business, you can have it in religion and politics and family.

00:30:16.060 Any attempt of one or more people to gain power over others, they can use fear to do so and in fact is a very effective means for doing so and that's why it's so prevalent, certainly in politics, but also elsewhere.

00:30:28.620 Well, explain to us, how does fear work as a weapon?

00:30:31.140 So, in the book I explain in a bit more detail than I'll provide now, but there's actually a very scientific way by which this happens in our brains.

00:30:39.980 There's kind of two pathways in our brains where information is routed and one is more for processing, the other is more an emotional response.

00:30:47.660 And when we have these emotional triggers, they fire faster, basically, than the processing circuitry does.

00:30:55.280 And so, what that means is you think of, you know, seeing a scared woman seeing a spider and she has that emotional outburst where had she stopped to think about it, she would have recognized that the spider is far away, it's not going to jump, it's small, it's not a threat, and she would have been able to rationally process the information and act in a different manner.

00:31:15.060 But instead, the irrationality takes power.

00:31:17.460 This is actually a function of our brains in doing this.

00:31:20.560 So, the fact that it is natural and normal and scientific means that it can be controlled and exploited for people's benefit.

00:31:29.680 That if politicians, media, whoever, can find ways to get us to react emotionally, to get us to react in this kind of carnal, visceral sense without thinking, if they can get us to feel scared and feel that we need a protector.

00:31:45.920 These type of things prevent us from thinking logically through whatever situation we're being presented.

00:31:52.900 And so, it's those circumstances in which what happens is they offer the problem, right, and they scare us into here's the issue.

00:31:59.700 And then, of course, they're there conveniently to provide the solution.

00:32:02.180 That's why we also have to always double, triple check history. 0.97

00:32:07.240 I like to read a lot of revisionist material because a lot of times the narrative that you're given is it's the bullshit one, you know. 0.94

00:32:13.240 You need to do your own investigating. 0.80

00:32:15.000 I mean, there's people being imprisoned for being revisionists right now.

00:32:18.060 Did you know that?

00:32:19.180 Well, yeah, right.

00:32:19.900 It isn't history written by the victors.

00:32:21.500 And so, certainly, those who differ, I think, are not very popular with the prevailing regime, certainly.

00:32:28.180 Well, when it comes to Dylann Roof, what did you think when you heard the news and politicians speaking about him and the entire event that happened in Charleston?

00:32:35.940 You know, to be honest, this event didn't stand out to me too much than it did any of the other shootings that have similarly been capitalized upon by politicians.

00:32:44.760 You know, what was her name, Amy, whatever the movie actress was, was in the news the other day and talking about how horrible it was that this recent shooting had happened.

00:32:55.620 I think it's something that becomes so consistent that none of the shootings are really standing out from the others because you always get the typical response that this is a horrendous shooting.

00:33:05.800 This is someone who shouldn't have had guns.

00:33:07.800 Therefore, we need to better control who has access.

00:33:11.360 We need greater security measures.

00:33:12.800 This is somebody who clearly there were warning signs, and so we need a greater, you know, big brother, minority report-esque type of program to catch this stuff before it happens.

00:33:23.720 I mean, it's over and over and over again.

00:33:25.740 What's interesting to me with cases like this, and I've written a little bit about this before in one of my other books, and that is what you don't see in the media is all of the cases in which a weapon has been used successfully for self-defense.

00:33:37.260 Sure.

00:33:38.080 John Lott has written a lot about this, and he actually went through and did some studies looking through all these different newspapers and compiling word counts for figuring out how much ink was given to the anti versus the pro gun stories.

00:33:51.060 And, of course, you see right now everyone freaking out about the Charleston and the other shootings, and yet you don't see in the media all of the other, again, the events that would give context to the issue of guns that would restore some balance so people could say, oh, yeah, people do horrible things.

00:34:04.960 But, you know, that woman defending her children against that aggressor the other day was so moving to me, and so we need to make sure that she still has the right to do it. 0.74

00:34:14.560 Those are entirely absent from the conversation, whether with Charleston or the other issues, and that's where my concern comes in is that, yeah, there are concerns here that we need to address and that we can reasonably talk about, but I am unwilling to do so unless people are willing to admit and at least include in the discussion the context of how these guns are saving lives, not just taking them.

00:34:34.360 Yeah, it's funny, too, because of how we got a gun.

00:34:36.760 There was just some loophole.

00:34:37.880 Their computers don't update fast enough, so it's just really a matter of updating their computer system.

00:34:43.320 They couldn't see that there was a pending charge there, so it's like, okay, that's actually a simple problem that if you guys can go to the moon, I think you can solve that problem.

00:34:52.920 Of course, it's probably a funding issue, and they'll ask for more money.

00:34:56.460 Well, I noticed just the barrage, because I really looked into this, of anti-white articles that came out after that.

00:35:03.140 It was just like blatant racism towards white people, and now it's, okay, is there going to be some other government policy?

00:35:09.680 So what do you think about government involved in race relations and affirmative action and all those other programs?

00:35:15.260 You know, the issue that I've had more familiarity with is all of the shootings that have been happening most recently, right, with us. 0.93

00:35:22.140 In many of the cases, white police officers shooting black people. 0.66

00:35:27.640 And I'm, from a criminal justice perspective where we do a lot of policy work, it is concerning to see a lot of these policies really destroying black families. 0.94

00:35:37.120 I mean, there's really no way around it.

00:35:38.460 And, in fact, there have been many prominent black people, Walter Williams especially, and many others who recognize that this exact trend is happening,

00:35:45.660 whether with welfare or guns or drugs or whatever, these types of issues ultimately have a disproportionate impact upon minority populations.

00:35:55.860 And so, yeah, there's kind of this reverse white privilege thing where we're all supposed to feel horrible for the crimes of our ancestors and make reparations and everything,

00:36:06.320 which I really don't buy into.

00:36:07.600 I don't think we're guilty of the sins of our fathers.

00:36:09.600 But on the other hand, I mean, I think we do have to recognize that in our society there is an imbalance.

00:36:16.260 And especially that the predominantly white elected officials can and do have the power to do something about it 0.72

00:36:22.920 because what's happening is that these minority communities are just suffering the brunt of so many of these policies.

00:36:29.180 And I think that does need to be discussed, admitted, and frankly resolved.

00:36:33.300 I think it's just tragic.

00:36:34.640 So what would you propose?

00:36:36.600 Oh, great question.

00:36:38.200 You know, if I was a dictator for a day, I mean, ultimately when you look at it,

00:36:42.280 some of the biggest drivers of the disproportionate criminal justice stuff is drugs.

00:36:46.680 You know, a lot of these communities, they're dealing drugs.

00:36:48.880 They're trying to get by.

00:36:49.820 The economy is destroyed.

00:36:51.400 You know, think of like Detroit, Michigan, where the police is just so dysfunctional now that there's private security firms.

00:36:57.000 You want to talk anarchism.

00:36:58.160 Here's a great thing, where private security firms are now offering police protection to residents at pretty affordable rates,

00:37:04.380 and they're doing a great job.

00:37:05.600 And these guys are patrolling the city, especially in parts where, you know, police can't or won't go.

00:37:10.140 And so it's been really interesting to see free market, private actors coming in to compete against government in these places where government policies have really destroyed stuff.

00:37:19.580 But I think ultimately it's the war on drugs.

00:37:21.840 I think so many of our, you know, I'm very concerned also about how our prisons are filled with nonviolent offenders,

00:37:28.060 how we have the largest prison population, both in terms of total numbers, but also per capita than any other country in the world.

00:37:36.500 And especially when you look at the racial lines, so many of these are drug crimes. 0.55

00:37:40.880 They're low-level, petty type of stuff.

00:37:43.000 And they're people of color.

00:37:45.180 They're minorities. 0.82

00:37:46.400 And, you know, no dictator in a day, myself or anyone else, can say, here's what's going to fix it.

00:37:51.340 But a lot of times it is these types of drug crimes, these nonviolent issues that over the years, again, incrementally have led us to where we are.

00:37:59.400 I do think it's going to take a while to get out of it.

00:38:01.080 But I think the greatest way to stop, or at least to reverse the trend, is to stop the war on drugs.

00:38:07.160 So is it the fault of white people that non-whites are on drugs or a higher percentage in jail?

00:38:11.000 Should we be egalitarian when it comes to jail sentencing? 0.95

00:38:13.960 No, I don't think it's white people's fault per se.

00:38:16.480 I don't think it's the fact that they're white. 0.97

00:38:18.540 You know, no one voted for these initial policies because, you know, we're going to punish blacks or we're white or whatever. 0.85

00:38:24.520 It's just the ultimate result, from my vantage point, of what the policies have done.

00:38:29.960 It's the consequence, whether it's a seen or unseen consequence.

00:38:34.480 So I don't ascribe racial motive to these policies.

00:38:38.240 But certainly there is racial disparity in their enforcement and execution.

00:38:42.760 Well, I wanted to ask you, should we allow drugs to flow freely?

00:38:45.660 I mean, what do you think about the war on drugs?

00:38:49.480 It's an interesting question, right?

00:38:51.560 Because people think that legalizing something oftentimes means sanctioning it, right?

00:38:57.700 The question, as you phrased it inadvertently or perhaps intentionally, of should we allow drugs to flow freely?

00:39:04.740 I think of it in the reverse.

00:39:05.860 I think of it as should we incarcerate and even kill people for using drugs?

00:39:10.540 Because that's the status quo.

00:39:11.960 And I think those who defend any measure, any aspect of the current policy regarding drug use and possession, distribution, and everything else, need to be put on the defense.

00:39:25.180 The onus is on them to justify why we should be sending these people to prison, why taxpayers should have to subsidize sending these people to prison.

00:39:34.020 In many cases, to become more aggressive and, once released from prison, commit even more audacious crimes.

00:39:40.880 So I don't think of it in terms of should we allow.

00:39:43.100 I think we first need to ask, do we have the authority to prohibit?

00:39:47.480 Certainly, as a parent of two children, I don't want DUIs.

00:39:52.100 I don't want drugs on the corner.

00:39:53.600 I don't want any of this kind of stuff.

00:39:54.880 But I think that if you look at other countries, especially like Portugal and elsewhere, who are recognizing that this is a mental health issue, this is an addiction issue, this is not – sorry, not mental health, a public health issue.

00:40:07.940 This is not a criminal justice issue.

00:40:10.960 This is not something that prisons can solve.

00:40:14.180 Prisons are not rehabilitative.

00:40:15.920 If anything, it's exacerbating the issue when you're sending a low-level, nonviolent drug offender into a prison population with many violent people.

00:40:27.220 In many cases, these people are becoming even worse offenders once released.

00:40:31.380 And so I don't think it's a question of should we allow.

00:40:33.600 I think it's a question of we don't have the authority to deny.

00:40:36.380 Certainly, there are other steps that can be taken, whether through government or, more importantly,

00:40:40.040 through the private market to discourage and disincentivize the use and sale and distribution of drugs.

00:40:46.320 But our current approach simply has utterly failed.

00:40:49.680 $2 trillion full of prisons.

00:40:52.280 You know, drugs are just as accessible as they ever were.

00:40:55.220 I always tell people, you give me five minutes from now, I could find drugs.

00:40:58.580 From five minutes, I could do it.

00:41:01.320 And it's in schools.

00:41:02.820 I mean, it simply hasn't worked, and yet the consequences have been so tragic for so many families.

00:41:06.800 I think we can't hurt by starting to decriminalize and find a different solution.

00:41:13.300 We certainly can hurt by keeping the status quo.

00:41:16.280 Yeah, I'm really surprised there hasn't been a tax revolt.

00:41:18.220 I mean, I don't want to pay for these people in jail.

00:41:20.940 I don't want to pay for wars.

00:41:22.140 I don't want to pay for Israel. 0.99

00:41:23.260 I don't want to pay for welfare.

00:41:24.840 So where is the tax revolt happening?

00:41:27.140 Why is that not happening, you think?

00:41:28.840 Oh, I've thought about this a lot, right?

00:41:30.900 I love the story of Henry David Thoreau, who wrote the classic essay, Civil Disobedience.

00:41:37.160 And for those who don't know, I'll very briefly relate the experience that led to him writing that.

00:41:41.920 He was living at Walden Pond.

00:41:44.020 Of course, he's famous for writing the book Walden about his transcendentalist experience of living in nature and everything else at the pond that was owned by his friend Ralph Waldo Emerson.

00:41:53.840 But while they were living at the pond, he was walking around one day, and he was confronted by a tax collector.

00:41:58.220 And the tax collector demanded that he pay the tax for the Mexican-American War.

00:42:05.760 And Thoreau objected to the war.

00:42:08.000 He didn't like it, so he said, I'm not paying the tax.

00:42:10.700 And of course, he was thrown in jail.

00:42:12.220 He was bailed out, I think, by his mother or some family member.

00:42:15.020 He only spent a night in jail.

00:42:16.480 And yet that experience is what led him to think about, you know, when your conscience conflicts with the law, when is it okay to break the law?

00:42:24.400 It's a very revolutionary essay.

00:42:26.600 Gandhi, Martin Luther King, many other prominent actors committing civil disobedience have pointed back to—

00:42:31.900 He was a communist, too, by the way.

00:42:33.920 Yeah, well, and I think his ideas have merit.

00:42:36.780 But to your point about objecting to tax, back in those days, there were specific taxes for specific things.

00:42:43.940 Everything now today is just a slush fund.

00:42:46.660 And if you object to any one given policy, you have no way to reasonably dispute it because there's no precise tax for that precise action to which you object.

00:42:56.540 And I think that's intentional.

00:42:58.240 I think just having all these general taxes and just drawing out of general funds has really disincentivized any more specific protests

00:43:05.120 because you can't really protest against a blob.

00:43:07.880 It's just kind of hard to push back against.

00:43:10.640 Well, Connor, as we wind down, please tell us about Libertas Institute.

00:43:13.760 You have some books, your website, and anything else you want to share.

00:43:17.360 Sure.

00:43:17.920 Yeah, I appreciate it.

00:43:18.880 So Feardom, of course, is the most recent book talking about this longstanding trend of political fearmongering.

00:43:26.080 So the website there is FeardomBook.com, F-E-A-R-D-O-M, FeardomBook.com.

00:43:33.020 And doing really well, endorsed by a wide range of people from the left and the right and everything in between.

00:43:37.920 And that was intentional.

00:43:38.880 I wanted to convey to people that this isn't a right-wing thing.

00:43:41.780 I mean, we have the head of the ACLU endorsing the book, recognizing that there's validity in what's being said.

00:43:49.160 And so that was intentional to convey to people that this is a systemic thing.

00:43:52.480 It's not a partisan or a political thing at all.

00:43:55.580 So Libertas Institute is a libertarian think tank.

00:43:57.920 And so we are one of many state-based think tanks.

00:44:01.280 So we operate in and focus just on Utah.

00:44:04.160 But there's many similar organizations, whether conservative, libertarian, somewhere in between, in every state in the country, in fact.

00:44:12.100 One way to find out which organizations are in the state where you're at is go to spn.org.

00:44:18.820 That stands for the State Policy Network.

00:44:21.340 It's kind of the umbrella organization through which many of us are affiliated and communicate with one another.

00:44:26.500 And then they have a little directory on there where you can look up your state and see who's there.

00:44:30.100 But we focus on Utah, and we do a lot of stuff.

00:44:32.420 We do parental rights.

00:44:33.720 We do government transparency, education reform.

00:44:37.240 Civil liberties has really become our bread and butter.

00:44:39.380 We do a lot of stuff dealing with government surveillance, right to privacy, body cameras, forcible entry, surveillance, and all sorts of stuff.

00:44:47.860 And, in fact, with our work, Utah has become a leader among the several states in many of these issues that, with the legislation we've passed protecting people's Fourth Amendment rights, Utah now has some of the best laws on the books.

00:45:00.600 And so we're actively working on trying to get other states to adopt those as well.

00:45:04.200 So it's been a lot of fun.

00:45:05.080 And, you know, one of the things that we're trying to do is look for ways to not only affect Utah but educate others more broadly.

00:45:11.320 Probably the best way that we've done that so far is with a project that we did for little kids or we're doing presently.

00:45:18.580 It's called the Tuttle Twins, T-U-T-T-L-E, tuttletwins.com.

00:45:23.680 And this is a series of children's books to help educate the rising generation about the principles of liberty.

00:45:28.260 So we have two books out so far.

00:45:31.280 One teaches about kind of the proper role of government from a classical liberal perspective based on The Law by Frederick Bastiat.

00:45:39.560 The second book teaches about the free markets based on a great essay by Leonard Reed called iPencil, talking about how, you know, nobody knows how to make a pencil.

00:45:49.300 Even a simple object requires the collaboration of unseen, you know, millions of people working together to, you know, the logger needs a chainsaw, but the chainsaw manufacturer needs the metal, and the metal needs the trucks, and the trucks need the roads.

00:46:03.760 And everyone's working together through spontaneous order to allow many of this innovation to happen.

00:46:10.500 So that's another book that we've done.

00:46:11.840 We're doing one right now based on G. Edward Griffin's book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, teaching about the thing.

00:46:16.780 So the kids will be learning about central banking and money and inflation and everything else.

00:46:22.200 And we've had such a great response.

00:46:24.280 And the interesting thing, I'll note really quick, is that when we first started these books, we figured the kind of general libertarian crowd would glom onto this the most because, you know, they've read the books maybe, so they want their kids to learn this stuff too.

00:46:37.220 In fact, our greatest audience has been homeschoolers.

00:46:41.300 And in many cases, these parents themselves, they've never read, you know, Frederick Bastiat or G. Edward Griffin or anything else.

00:46:48.220 They wouldn't call themselves libertarian.

00:46:50.040 And yet, by virtue of the fact that they've decided to opt out of government education, they're independent-minded.

00:46:54.780 They want to learn.

00:46:55.700 They're hunting for this type of stuff.

00:46:57.980 And so we go to, like, homeschool conventions, and these books just fly off the table.

00:47:02.340 It's been a lot of fun.

00:47:03.240 So that's one of the projects that we're doing, tuttletwins.com, to try and educate the rising generation, recognizing that in schools especially, these kids are not learning anything remotely connected to liberty.

00:47:13.880 And so we want to provide that countervailing force and hope that, you know, that can pay dividends down the road.

00:47:19.120 So trying to find fun projects like that to educate people more generally and build momentum for the cause of liberty.

00:47:25.120 Great.

00:47:25.220 Well, thanks again for your time today.

00:47:26.980 Thank you.

00:47:27.400 Appreciate it.

00:47:28.440 Well, what are your thoughts?

00:47:29.940 Speak your mind in one of our comment sections.

00:47:31.720 Let us know.

00:47:33.240 Connor is a kind man, and so this is not an attack on him, but I wanted to share some of my thoughts.

00:47:38.960 Libertarianism and anarchism is a white people thing. 0.73

00:47:42.260 The philosophy of private property and liberty is a white man's philosophy. 0.70

00:47:46.860 But what's missing?

00:47:48.200 An allegiance, a love, and a loyalty for one's own people, a respect for what our ancestors have created to carry on the traditions and culture of our people.

00:47:58.040 That takes creating boundaries.

00:47:59.700 In fact, they'll scoff and be confused when you say your people, because they're so removed from their own blood and ancestral soil that they don't even know where they come from. 0.96

00:48:10.300 They see no value or sacredness in it.

00:48:13.240 Just as many are in favor of private property, for good reason, so should a nation have borders.

00:48:19.600 Space is what allows a people to flourish.

00:48:22.440 Without it, the flower will get trampled.

00:48:24.880 Setting boundaries requires force.

00:48:27.420 It's not voluntary.

00:48:28.960 If our military only worked to enforce those borders, and if our government understood this idea, I would support them. 0.93

00:48:35.500 Many anarchists seem to be okay with monoculture, globalism, and the blending out of all differences.

00:48:42.620 But they aren't even honest with themselves about it.

00:48:45.840 There's also this fear of boundaries, and so anything goes because we can't interfere.

00:48:51.120 And no one can lead because that's hierarchy.

00:48:53.960 They've given up on the idea of a benevolent king or leader.

00:48:57.940 Yet what if Jesus showed up and ran for president?

00:49:00.340 Would Christian anarchists support government then?

00:49:02.960 Looking back, the entire time that I was talking about anarchism, the thought of race preservation and culture never occurred to me.

00:49:11.760 I did not think about it.

00:49:14.320 And sadly, this is the case for most libertarians.

00:49:17.120 Some, yes, but few.

00:49:19.380 That's why they can't see how free market capitalism, for instance, with businesses going overseas or making toxic products freely,

00:49:26.840 is not good for their people, because they don't even think about their people.

00:49:30.780 Force, order, and authority has its place in our lives.

00:49:36.040 It's that concentration that produces excellence.

00:49:39.380 It's funny how people who live in the whitest, safest places in America seem to be the biggest utopianists.

00:49:46.720 I'm finding that many libertarians are simply liberals or cuckservatives trying to appeal to everyone.

00:49:53.420 Politics and spirituality are very much connected, and until we are healthy spiritually, we'll never have a benevolent system.

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Radio 3Fourteen - August 05, 2015

The Clash Between Voluntaryism_ Leftism _ Multiculturalism

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