Juha Lindrus is a teacher in the field of sustainable development with a Master's degree in corporate environmental management. He is interested in environmental philosophy, ecology, and the language and forms of nature. He has studied the relationship between multiculturalism and sustainable development.
00:00:30.000This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.
00:01:00.000He's a teacher in the field of sustainable development with a master's degree in corporate environmental management.
00:01:07.640Juha is interested in environmental philosophy, ecology, and the language and forms of nature.
00:01:13.640Lately, he's studied the relationship between multiculturalism and sustainable development.
00:01:19.240Well, remember how environmentalists used to be concerned with overpopulation and the depletion of resources?
00:01:26.260Well, not anymore because mass immigration into European countries is more important than its effect on the environment.
00:01:32.900Environmentalists used to talk about how depletion of resources and overcrowding leads to war and conflict.
00:01:41.340They used to point out that an unsustainable continued explosion in population growth will lead to natural habitat destruction
00:01:48.360and the endangerment of wildlife species and less recreational land for us to enjoy.
00:01:53.820They used to talk about how prices will rise when there's a shortage of basic natural resources, restricting freedom and creating limitations.
00:02:02.660Eventually, that land that's been in your family for years will be taken over against your will.
00:02:07.280I also remember when environmentalists used to complain about the large apartment building blocks going up to facilitate large numbers of people.
00:02:17.080They'd complain how these gulag-style building blocks were an eyesore to the landscape.
00:02:22.100But now these so-called green countries can't build these gulags fast enough to facilitate free housing for immigrants.
00:02:28.500The fact is that mass immigration into only white countries is unsustainable and environmentally dire considering the numbers of people flooding in and then procreating.
00:02:40.360Westerners have enabled the population explosion in the third world because of medicine and also teaching about proper sanitation.
00:02:47.700So now the third world is having more children in their country but also coming into ours and having several more children because it's incentivized.
00:02:55.580It's not white people doing the unplanned baby-making.
00:03:03.860Forget about your government system of choice when there's a billion people in one area all fighting for different ways.
00:03:10.240Even if it was total anarchy, all you would be doing is fighting to protect your space all day, every day, and nothing else would get done.
00:03:17.780We are now adding one billion people to the planet every 12 years.
00:05:12.420Well, I think it started in the last 10 to 15 years when I studied the environmental field.
00:05:20.500It all – it was about waste management, energy technology, and all about ecology and a lot of environmental studies.
00:05:27.460I was always really interested in that.
00:05:29.140So I did that about eight years, and then I worked, let's say, four to five years in a university of applied sciences.
00:05:37.100That is like a university college, the bachelor level university, let's put it this way.
00:05:42.300And I worked in the field of sustainability, mostly related to corporate sustainability.
00:05:46.820But since I was interested in the so-called language of nature, so I also did some part-time teaching in high school about environmental philosophy and the relationship between man and nature and those issues.
00:06:01.020And at the same time, on the other side of the coin, I was able to study a lot of cross-cultural studies as well.
00:06:07.800And anthropology – I know it has a little bit negative meaning these days, but actually I find it really interesting too.
00:06:15.120So in the last two years, I was able to combine those two very multidimensional and very broad fields together, basically the impact of multiculturalism in all the dimensions of sustainability, cultural, ecological, and financial.
00:06:29.940Excellent. Well, one thing that drives me mad is the concept that the left owns sustainability or environmentalism.
00:06:37.260Because as we know, this has always been important to our ancestors who were not leftists.
00:06:41.740And of course, National Socialist Germany brought back those concepts of environmentalism.
00:06:46.480But what can you say about the left thinking they own environmentalism?
00:06:51.240Well, this is a very, very interesting issue actually to be thinking about because if we remember, it was five to ten years ago, at least in Finland.
00:06:59.620When the leftists – or I like to call them the neo-leftists anyway – so they addressed the topic of sustainability.
00:07:06.600And the same – exactly the same people who talked about those topics now, they don't talk about environmentalism, but they talk about tolerance and multiculturalism.
00:07:17.200But the thing is that I don't know where it derives from actually the idea that the lefts have basically owned the term sustainability and they like to communicate it.
00:07:26.800But I can tell you that we had two very interesting men in Finland and they were – one of them was a fisherman and the other one was an environmental engineer.
00:07:35.780And they were the so-called old school men.
00:07:38.040They possessed so-called masculine values and they communicated the blood about environmental stuff, but nobody was interested in them.
00:07:45.980You know, it was not so fashionable or I don't know what it is, but it is a sad thing.
00:07:51.820And I think it's in everywhere in Europe, the idea that the so-called left-tolerant people have always communicated about sustainability.
00:07:59.440And they don't even understand that their view of sustainability is not actually so environmentally.
00:08:05.040No, like the left is anything but sustainable.
00:08:16.040I mean, I used to think that Finland would be more closer to Estonia once I heard the Kristina Oyeland interview, which was really good.
00:08:24.120But when you look at today's, let's say, newspapers or the language and the terminology, we are exactly in the same situation as Sweden or maybe some of the other Scandinavian countries.
00:08:35.280The only difference is that we don't have that many people in here.
00:08:39.180Yeah, and I want to get into some of those cultural nuances later in the destruction of Finland.
00:08:44.520But you also told me that if you're a traditional man in Finland and many white countries, I'd say now, you're considered unsustainable to the left, right?
00:08:55.120Yeah, for some reason, I mean, I guess it has something to do with the idea that everything that is traditional, it's not so hip or nice or cool or trendy.
00:09:04.680I mean, it's very – this is at least when I have talked a lot about different people from different backgrounds.
00:09:09.940So that's always the case that for some reason, they think that we want to go back 1,000 years to the cave times or something like this.
00:09:26.180For some reason, the leftists, they – I think masculinity possesses some kind of threat because you cannot control.
00:09:32.940Jack Donovan put it really, really well at one of his interviews.
00:09:36.280So I guess it's also something about that.
00:09:38.440I think a lot of young kids are also programmed with this idea that white – just the white man pillages and destroys the environment.
00:09:45.480But, you know, the dark-skinned people are really guardians of the planet environmentally, right?
00:09:49.960Well, it is – well, not probably exactly as that, but give us five years and we'll be talking about that exactly, the same words.
00:09:59.020Yes, that's the direction where we are going and it has happened fast.
00:10:02.740In the last one or two years, a lot of changes have taken place.
00:10:06.240And it's ridiculous because, really, when you look at Finland and northern countries, all white countries, it was the man's man that really built your countries, right?
00:10:13.680You had, like, brave Finnish forest men who built your country, right?
00:10:20.420And you can look at it from very different perspectives and I think it always is the same case there, especially after the war time.
00:10:27.100And, of course, when you – somehow when you lose the war, it does something to your identity.
00:10:31.140But at that time, let's say, 50s, 60s, and 70s, men were men and women were women and everybody who were in between, they never complained.
00:10:40.580They played along, but they were not demanding of their rights or anything.
00:12:11.380When we were corresponding through email, you were telling me that the original definition of sociocultural sustainability was actually about maintaining and protecting different cultures and heterogeneity of the cultures, which is really interesting how far we've slid in in such a short period of time.
00:12:29.720I mean, preserving traditions, manners, sacred things, myths, and belief systems, and all that kind of stuff.
00:12:36.560That's the so-called biodiversity in cultures so that you would have many different cultures, so-called heterogeneity.
00:12:44.280But nowadays, what really multiculturalism as a political and behavioral belief system, what it does, it actually, as we know, it completely destroys cultures, especially when there are cultures who have higher masculinity, different kind of uncertainty avoidance, and collectivism, and all the power distances.
00:13:02.980So when there's collision, it's like in the nature, really, it's madness.
00:13:09.120Well, let's talk about how mass immigration and population replacement is absolutely unsustainable and environmentally damaging.
00:13:18.840I know there's a lot of parts to this, but share some of those ideas with us.
00:13:23.000Well, we can start, I think, the way at least I have thought about it, first of all, is the way once you, especially mass, I call it migration.
00:13:31.580It's not anymore about asylum seeking or immigration, but what we have been dealing in the last few months and few years, it's migration.
00:13:40.220So when a huge amount of people are moving from their original places to north, you need a lot of energy, first of all, and the consumption habits and so-called environmental attitudes and values, they differ so much.
00:13:54.160And this is a very, very good example.
00:13:56.800This is merely an ideological example, but I tell you this.
00:13:59.660It was about two, three days ago when there was one asylum, asylum place that they had 300 people from, I don't know, well, they don't know where they are.
00:14:08.560So let's just say that they were from the, let's say, Middle East.
00:14:21.340Because we have hundreds and thousands of lakes, and even if all the Finns would keep their taps open, the water would not run out.
00:14:30.160But of course, there's something else involved in that.
00:14:32.500But still, as an ideology, it was so fun to see that, okay, so now they were able to make the water run out.
00:14:39.660It's not about, I mean, I don't usually say this kind of way, but yes, we have a lot of people in Finland who don't care that much about the environment.
00:14:47.280But at least we have the starting point, the potential to understand.
00:14:51.440And even in the kindergartens in Finland, we are being taught about waste and recycling and energy saving and biodiversity and the so-called ecological lifestyle.
00:15:02.620So you have hundreds and thousands of people who come from completely different cultures, and they are dealing with different issues in life.
00:15:59.660That's one of the many issues as well, especially in this context.
00:16:04.800I mean, it was some time ago I did some research about the birth rate, and in Finland it's pretty much the same, if I recall.
00:16:13.840But when you think about the, let's say, people from Africa or Middle East, I mean, it's like many, many, many times.
00:16:21.900And you can see the demographic changes.
00:16:23.680I mean, they have made estimations, and I don't know, in Finland it could be 30 years, 40 years, but that's a short time if you think about the last hundreds or thousands of years, how things have been.
00:16:34.280So a lot of changes in demographics as well taking place here.
00:16:38.280You know, and now in Europe we're getting people coming from countries that they've destroyed their countries.
00:16:43.400I mean, there's parts in Africa where they don't understand conserving wildlife, where there's even no rats anymore, because they've eaten everything alive and don't even know about propagating life and managing it so that it's there to keep you surviving.
00:16:58.760So let's talk about, has there been any studies on the attitudes of incoming foreigners about environmentalism?
00:17:08.360At least I haven't encountered any of those, those researchers, and I don't think there is, because they don't, they're not, even the researchers, the leftist researchers, I mean, they are interested in importing a lot of migrants here.
00:17:22.280But I don't think they're interested in that much about the environmental values, attitudes, or behavior.
00:17:27.660And even, you know, we had one good research about this, new houses were built to, especially for the, let's say, immigrants.
00:17:38.040And it took only three months and all the houses had to be renovated.
00:17:44.520And I don't know if they're burning fire on the floor or they are, I don't know what they are doing, but everything had to be renovated.
00:17:51.140It's like here in Section 8 housing, the free government housing, they trash it.
00:17:55.860And we had some friends that worked in that department, and it is just unreal what these people do to these houses, this free housing.
00:18:03.560We just had a few examples, a few photos taken from the, these were from the asylum houses or centers, asylum centers.
00:18:11.360And yes, waste problem, that is one, because I think they want to get into this.
00:18:16.120They already have this kind of, let's say, the gangsta mentality and the so-called, they want to be in South Central Los Angeles.
00:18:22.240And they don't think about free cycling or they don't think about environmentalism one bit.
00:18:27.040And by the way, now let's make sure at this point that when, when I deal with multiculturalism, I talk about especially African and Middle East people, because that's what it is in practice.
00:19:00.280Have you seen, and I want to get into that later, but have you seen pictures of the trash left behind by these so-called refugees going, storming across Europe?
00:19:12.720And I've seen a lot of pictures from, from different places.
00:19:16.400And I don't know, I mean, it's, it's like nobody's, or nobody, I mean, those people who wish to promote multiculturalism, somehow they don't, they want, they have a choice.
00:19:28.320Everybody has a choice, but they don't, they don't wish to see this side of the issue at all for some reason, for many reasons, actually.
00:19:36.920I mean, I've traveled, I've been to many third world countries, and they, they trash, they don't understand about sewage, they don't keep things up.
00:19:43.960So I get really ticked off when people say, oh, it's white men that destroys the land, you know, it's like, okay, you haven't traveled and seen how some of these other people treat their environment.
00:19:51.940If anything, we have been stewards of the earth.
00:19:53.920Sure, there's a few assholes making chemicals or whatever, but it's not all white people, it's just a few people, you know.
00:20:00.320But even then, we have precautions to try and clean certain things up.
00:20:05.680And I think, well, the white, white man was the one who built the whole sewage system and the whole recycling system.
00:20:11.800So that's, that's one of the, one of the things, but I don't know.
00:20:15.440I mean, I've never, I've never talked with the people who come from those origins or those places about their motivation or if they are even interested.
00:20:23.660Because I think they have so many, like so many years and phases in between that they would like to fulfill and live without.
00:20:32.000I mean, I mean, before they would go to the point where they start to think about, oh, where do I put this trash or dust?
00:20:37.860Is this actually ecologically built or local or, you know, these, these kinds of things.
00:20:44.160So it's just the whole mentality is way different.
00:20:47.980I don't know if you've heard, but Sweden has a company and you could laugh.
00:20:50.560It's called Pee Poople and they're teaching third worlders how to dispose, excuse me, of their shit properly.
00:20:57.880So clearly we're not all equal here, you know.
00:21:01.320I mean, Sweden's a small country and they're taking, you know, they're going to all of Africa to teach them how to, you know, dispose of their human waste properly.
00:21:10.920I think maybe you've heard about the term called clean tech.
00:21:14.700I mean, basically clean technology and so-called solution, technological solutions.
00:21:18.700And I think Finland and Sweden, they would be, or even Denmark, and they would be very, very good countries to show examples.
00:21:26.380But I think we have had these examples for 30 years.
00:21:31.740You can do whatever you want, but it's just, the message just doesn't seem to go through or it's not understood or there's something.
00:21:38.940Yeah, I'd say Northern Europeans are really, really way ahead of the curve when it comes to environmentalism.
00:21:46.080They're pretty cutting edge and setting some good trends up there.
00:21:49.800Oh, that's very well put it because that's the way it is.
00:21:52.660I mean, as a starting point, so-called default setting is already very, very pro-environmental.
00:21:58.140So, and especially, and then if we want to get deeper into that, we can analyze about the population and all the different factors.
00:22:06.160But that's, it's somehow, we have been many, many hundreds and thousands of years ago, we were so close to nature, especially in the pagan traditions and the mentality and that kind of things.
00:22:27.660It's like, you guys have tons of water up there, but you're brainwashed into thinking you have to live in these, like, you have lots of space, lots of water.
00:22:34.380You're brainwashed into thinking you have to live in these tiny boxes made of all these synthetic materials and take these quick showers because, oh, the people in Africa, they don't have houses and water, right?
00:23:43.640And one of the sickest thing is that IKEA is – it used to be ranked in what there's a list of so-called corporate social businesses who are responsible businesses or some kind of index of sustainability in relation to business.
00:24:00.380But when you look at the whole idea of what IKEA represents in terms of quality and production and materials, et cetera, et cetera, I mean, I don't see – I don't see that.
00:24:57.980Well, I want to talk – what about people leaving their destroyed countries?
00:25:02.020Would you say it's best for them to stay and try and fix the problems?
00:25:06.840That's one also very good perspective.
00:25:09.380When I mentioned about these two great Finnish environmentalists, one of them had lived in Africa and had traveled.
00:25:17.020And he used to say that it's, of course, it's very, very unsustainable, especially when we think about the people, those who are leaving and who are staying.
00:25:28.260But, of course, I mean, for some reason, they haven't been able to solve the situation for the last, I mean, decades and hundreds of years and even longer.
00:25:38.960So, there is something so profound in those countries that just the situation is as it is.
00:25:46.720And I don't think nobody or nothing can solve anything from outside.
00:25:52.680Whatever the so-called solution is, it has to come from within.
00:25:56.760Yeah, I don't think you can just take thousands of years of evolution and say, oh, if we just – because those people haven't achieved a certain level, they haven't evolved to – you can't just take them from Africa, plant them in Sweden and expect them to be Swedish overnight either.
00:26:43.540I really don't know because it's very difficult to predict the future.
00:26:47.120Even those who are studying the so-called future, who are analyzing and researching the future, I mean, even they cannot know what is happening in the very nearby future.
00:26:57.520But, yeah, it is very unsustainable for those countries and especially for the countries where they are heading, let's say Europe and Scandinavia, especially in this context, we are here.
00:27:07.520Yeah, and people keep talking about how, you know, the Black Lives Matter movement.
00:27:11.500They're trying to say we're killing black babies and everything.
00:27:14.260No, if anything, we've been helping Africa's population explode because white people are down there helping cure diseases and water and food and teaching them how to dispose of their waste, you know, curing their gonorrhea and STDs.
00:27:31.800It was from Der Spiegel, the German magazine, and I don't remember the name at the moment.
00:27:36.860It was a Kenyan researcher, a black guy from Kenya, and he said that the first thing that the West should do is immediately stop sending money.
00:27:45.340That's the first thing, and he analyzed it really well, and the interview from Der Spiegel had to repeat the question sometimes because I don't know if he or she or whatever they could understand or hear what they were hearing because this guy was saying very, very good things, actually.
00:28:22.400We had it 1 billion euros, approximately 1 billion euros per year, and it used to be a little bit longer.
00:28:29.360Now, when the government is actually saving from those humanitarian help, so people are going crazy, oh, you cannot help that, they don't even know how much.
00:28:39.060I mean, maybe it's 1% or 2% of the people who know how much we are giving money.
00:29:02.860Yeah, I know, and then we give so much, white people give so much in foreign aid.
00:29:07.200If we weren't here propping things up, things would go bad real fast.
00:29:11.240I know I always hear people talking about reparations for what they think was like, you know, the worst slavery in the world, you know, and how all white people should pay.
00:29:20.200Like, we've been paying constantly, and this is like white slavery at this point.
00:29:24.380And then I think Finland recently said that they wanted to tax the rich, right, to pay for some of these refugees coming in, correct?
00:29:31.300I've heard a lot of crazy accusations and reasoning, et cetera.
00:29:40.260This one I didn't hear yet, but I completely believe it, because, yes, we are the ones who should actually do everything for the foreigners.
00:29:48.880And when I think about it, at some point I thought about it that maybe I think it's the West who is actually maintaining the entire Africa
00:29:56.400with the humanitarian help and with every kind of medicine and, you know, and of course that money never go to that.
00:30:04.800It doesn't go to those people who deserve it.
00:30:07.000And even if it went, it wouldn't help anything.
00:31:26.840I believe in helping because we are, I mean, we were Christian or Judeo-Christian culture after the pagan times, of course.
00:31:33.860But the thing is that I believe in helping.
00:31:36.980But I also believe in some kind of logic or ration and function.
00:31:42.420And the more you get it, I mean, the closer you get to nature, the more you understand about the forms and language and all that, let's say, weird stuff of the nature, the more I think you understand that really it's beautiful.
00:34:00.820Yes, we have had the place in, in Helsinki, the capital, capital city.
00:34:04.760And again, there were a lot of those tolerant people who said that, yes, they have the right to be here and, you know, open the open borders.
00:35:54.760This actually, now, the very, very, this moment, discussion starts to, and I'm glad, now they start to analyze a little bit.
00:36:05.200So, who are those people exactly who wish this?
00:36:08.260I mean, not just, yeah, but categorizing, analyzing them in a deeper way, and especially their motivation.
00:36:15.520But once you start to look at them, to me at least, it's mostly they are Western, they are women, they are liberal.
00:36:21.800At least they want to proclaim themselves as liberals and tolerant.
00:36:26.960And that's exactly, and those men, I have not seen a single man promoting, like a real man promoting, let's say, multiculturalism, especially if they understand what it is.
00:36:40.380Yeah, because in men, inherently, they're warriors.
00:36:43.200They want to defend their borders and their people.
00:36:45.400This is how it's been for, since forever.
00:36:47.400You know, border disputes don't happen without some kind of a bloodshed, and I'm sure there's guys inside just screaming at this that want to go to war over these borders, right?
00:36:58.220This is exactly as it is, and the only sad thing is that within the last, let's say, 30, 40 years, ever since from the 60s, or we can, at some part, we can go even further behind the time if we want to go to the conspiracies, etc.
00:37:13.800But still, I mean, people have been castrated, mentally castrated.
00:37:19.500And that's sad, because sometimes I really like the idea of internal battle acts.
00:37:23.820That was so good analysis of the situation.
00:37:26.340But somebody can ask, and I've heard this question from other people from other countries.
00:37:31.200I have a lot of friends coming from different parts of the world, and they say, so why don't you stand up?
00:37:36.040I mean, why don't you go there and do something?
00:39:49.280And they purposely wanted to misunderstand because that gave them reason, again, to criticize the party that this Mr. Olli Emonen belonged to.
00:39:59.660And I can say that Olli, who was the name, he had written about multiculturalism already, I think it was two years ago or at least some long time ago.
00:40:10.900And that was a very good analysis, actually, what he wrote.
00:40:14.040Very nice theoretical analysis, what happens and why it's not working.
00:40:18.500But I think it was mostly about the timing because we had heard so much of the so-called Finnish bashing, bashing our identity and those people who built this country and nation.
00:40:29.040So what he said was that, yeah, and they say he used a little bit different words.
00:42:35.280And Imbivara is the sacred mythological, well, not mythological, but it's a sacred place in Finland, the countryside place where you can basically, yeah, you have, yeah.
00:42:44.320So that's what's taking place exactly, yeah.
00:42:49.040But, yeah, the aftermath of, yeah, shortly, the aftermath of this Oli Immonen.
00:42:53.900Yeah, they really, he had to leave for some time.
00:42:59.660Not the apartment or anything like that, but a few issues that he was dealing with.
00:43:50.800And I don't think, as some people who are really deep and who know a lot about the political war history and those, yes, we were partly, at least, alongside with Germany.
00:44:04.180And, yes, we fought against the communism in, because the Russia, they invaded us, so they tried to, and they did, at least.
00:44:11.220So, that was part of the, yeah, the time you heard that also in the greatest story never told.
00:44:18.420And that was quite good, good in that sense.
00:44:20.980But, yeah, I think if you think about the Green Party, if you think about the leftist, I think they wanted us to lose the whole, I mean, lose in a big bad time, this sense.
00:44:31.900So, it's, somehow, it is still being some kind of a shame that we were partly, I mean, yeah, partly working together with the German troops and this kind of thing.
00:44:55.640And I like the terms, how they change, because once, first it was racism, then it was fascism, and I don't even know, once it can be a fascist, sadist, racist, or neo-racist, or construction, yeah, constructional racism, or hidden racism.
00:45:11.020They don't even know what the words, they just create new language, new terminology all the time, so that they could use it as, and according to their agenda.
00:45:19.500And it's sick, because it's in every white country.
00:45:22.160I hear this all the way from Australia up to Scandinavia.
00:45:44.900I mean, it's like America in the 50s is completely different until Marxist filth really got in there.
00:45:49.860But what started changing in Finland from what you've researched?
00:45:55.640Yes, I think I actually admire, I cannot call myself a traditionalist, even though I would like to, and I have a lot of sympathy, and I really like to regard myself in that sense, traditionalist.
00:46:10.760But after the wartime, we had to, because that's what I've been hearing from my parents and from my grandparents who were in the war.
00:46:21.760And this is, yeah, because Hitler was visiting one of the generals in Finland.
00:46:25.440And then, of course, my dad was really, really young and, you know, but still in the same presence.
00:46:29.540So what happened after that was people had to start building this country.
00:46:35.540And as I said, it required strength, stamina, and it required women to be women and men to be men.
00:46:42.080And I don't know when it started to change, because to my mind, especially the 70s and the 80s, okay, that's not so long time ago, but the 80s was good, because Finland was building a lot of good technology.
00:46:53.600We were importing and all this, or exporting and a lot of these things.
00:46:59.300So I guess it's pretty much the same kind of story that in some other liberal cultures and countries, we just, we built too much in this sense that things started to be too good.
00:47:14.020And we had started to lose meaning, the true meaning of life.
00:47:18.160I mean, this is at least one theory, I think, that something happened.
00:47:23.160But, yeah, we have not too many people living, but working hard under quite rather hard conditions.
00:47:29.880And it's just the night, it was not 2012 that changed things.
00:47:34.620I mean, you would imagine that something great happened then, but it was in the year 2000, 2000, 2001.
00:47:40.040I remember the music started to change really, really, it got into completely nonsense and everything started to be the rise of hipsterism and all these new phenomena.
00:47:50.540And, I mean, I'm not so old, I'm 35 years old, and I lived that, and I considered myself somewhat trendsetter in some terms.
00:47:59.760But even I started to see this is not going anywhere.
00:48:03.020I mean, people have completely, they are losing their meaning.
00:48:05.220And, well, the business, yeah, the information technology was quite a success at some point in here.
00:48:11.200But even now, because they outsource and they start to sell it, so there is no so-called healthy nationalism anymore.
00:48:18.020Yeah, I think one of the big problems here is that we're not balancing technology and politics and science with nature.
00:48:26.580Because if we were to look back to our pagan roots, they did that, and we should have kept doing that.
00:48:32.200We should have kept the idea of nature in the center of our minds at all times.
00:48:36.600So how does this, you know, surround nature?
00:48:48.520This is a really important thing to mention, as you write this thing.
00:48:52.740The separation from nature, and, of course, it derives from many, many, not just a few decades or centuries, but thousands of years and thousands of years.
00:49:00.120But I think we can imagine this, that some people are so-called techno-centric.
00:49:08.200They believe in technology, and they believe the so-called end of pipe, so that we put these filters and we use clean technology to save.
00:49:17.100That saves the whole ecological crisis.
00:49:20.000And we don't focus on consumption or production or those environmental impacts that much.
00:49:27.360And then there is so-called anthropocentrism, where the human is in the center of mandala.
00:49:34.580But the so-called biocentrism, where you are more, basically you are not necessarily part of nature, but many more things are equal in the nature.
00:49:44.840So you see nature in a different way, and that is something that we have really grown apart.
00:49:50.120And technology, of course, it plays a huge importance.
00:49:54.480But to me, the so-called rise of technology, it's not a root cause.
00:49:58.880It is also a symptom of some other phenomenon.
00:50:01.460But if we wanted to save what is left to be saved, I think the perception would completely, it would need to be, it would need to transform from technocentrism and anthropocentrism towards biocentrism.
00:50:20.980And this is very difficult to achieve.
00:50:23.500I mean, it's a very, very complex issue.
00:50:26.240But yeah, that's, and it would require, I think, there's only one way, and it would require some deeper analysis, first of all.
00:50:33.920What are we as species, and what is nature?
00:50:36.580And we don't understand one bit of that.
00:50:39.560People from the 60s, some of the real hardcore scientists, they understood what it was.
00:50:44.100Yeah, it's like our people have become sick, and now the parasites are coming to, you know, eat on the corpse.
00:50:51.580But there's part of the corpse that's still very much alive and is trying to sever off from that dying body, and it would be us.
00:50:58.280So it's very interesting to see where this is going to go, and is it going to collapse, or is it just going to keep going in this awful nightmare?
00:51:06.080I mean, don't you feel like it's a nightmare sometimes?
00:51:08.000It is a nightmare in so many different ways, not only one way or two ways.
00:51:15.000And as you said about the collapse, I believe it's so obvious.
00:51:19.560It is so, especially in this hyper-turbulent, progressive, because if you're not a progressive, you're nothing today.
00:51:26.980You know, you have to be somewhere in the very peak and the most, you know, forward, going forward, running towards the future, so to say,
00:51:34.380and especially to new technologies, and even those people who, yeah, yeah, it's the collapse.
00:53:44.640I look around and just, you can spot these diseased leftists a mile away.
00:53:49.360I mean, I go to the store and I can tell you exactly every single one of them that's like infested with this in their mind.
00:53:54.900Like you and I joked around, it's almost like an alien force has got into their brains and is like eating their brains, you know?
00:54:02.900Yeah, once you observe and you analyze and you look at the people and you try to look at them from a little bit different perspective or different way,
00:54:13.580you can really see that I think it is already something so wicked and so strange that, as I said,
00:54:21.920it has to be some kind of a Gaian way or Gaian mind to, you know, to end this kind of nonsense because it cannot come from a person anymore.
00:54:33.280And at the same time, as I said, I was talking today with this very old lady who understood everything immediately.
00:54:39.420I mean, she was so sick of this so-called tolerance.
00:54:42.860And how come some people understand it so well, but the other ones, they don't.
00:54:47.000This is what I'm really interested in.
00:54:48.460And think about it, it would take only two hours or three hours.
00:54:51.360You would go to Google and you would find the real and non-orthodox information.
00:54:56.820And it's so close, but still people have so huge barriers that they don't want to.
00:55:02.340They have a choice, but they choose not to become familiar with the different kind of logic and information that would explain at least a little bit what is going on here.
00:55:11.320Well, I'm starting to think that we're the strong that's going to survive.
00:55:14.320And these other people are going to die off or outbreed or become so degenerated that they are going to die off in some way or another.
00:55:25.780I mean, if you look at the things that have been taking place in the last five years, of course, every generation can say that, oh, so many things are happening now.
00:55:35.080And we are living so fast and, you know, people, my parents used to say that and it has taken place.
00:55:40.400But in my opinion, the information, that's one thing, the information has exceeded.
00:55:46.080There is so much information going on at the same time.
00:55:48.760And it's like we are being pulled from the future really, really faster and faster and faster all the time.
00:55:56.120And I'm really interested in about the theory of the collapse and how and what form will it take.
00:56:01.720And when people say about the Third World War, I think it has been going on for a long time already.
00:56:07.160Yeah, war is just happening in a different way.
00:56:08.940It doesn't have to be blazing guns in your face all the time.
00:56:11.640And genocide doesn't have to be mass slaughtering of people either.
00:56:14.880Oh, yes. And I came across with this Hungarian guy who won the Nobel Prize.
00:56:24.620I'm actually sure what prize it was, but a writer, author.
00:56:29.280And he put it so well in 2002 that it's like this liberal way.
00:56:36.080The logic that they are actually welcoming and they want to somehow to identify themselves with their own enemy.
00:56:43.700I mean, that's one of the examples of madness to my mind.
00:56:47.640And it's, as I said, I really like the idea of ethnomasochism.
01:06:21.060And when you think about the Altima Thule, the old mythological places of Scandinavia, and especially, especially the Viking stuff, I don't regard Finland.
01:06:31.380When I, when I read about some of the history, we did some trading with the Vikings, you know, we were more like the forest people, I guess, and the country dwellers in this sense.
01:06:40.880But yes, we had people from Finland who went with the Vikings as well, you know, partly they, they regrouped them.
01:06:46.640But it is, it is like, I think to me, Scandinavia has always represented like a strong symbolism and identity and all, all these things.
01:06:56.940And this can be seen when you go abroad, when Finns go abroad, and you, for example, meet other Swedish people in abroad, and then we get along so well.
01:07:06.660Like, it's, it's like an instant, like this is at least my, my perspective on things.
01:07:09.860And, and, but it's, it depends on people, of course, and this is, I don't know, because it's, everything is happening so fast at the moment.
01:07:18.760And, and even, I don't think they are actually addressing the real root causes or the real questions.
01:07:26.500They just, and, and now, of course, when you already said about the racism and fascism, that is every time, every single day, you can hear from the biggest so-called newspapers.
01:07:37.960You can hear that Finnish culture is nothing, whether it's the food culture, whether it's the mentality, whether it's the looks of the people, you know, it's any, any kinds of things.
01:07:48.480And this is at the same time happening to things, people coming and, of course, embracing the other kind and, you know, neglecting your own, own kind of superiority or any kind of these aspects.
01:08:00.800Well, like you said earlier, you know, the truth is on our side, nature is on our side, the earth force is on our side, and all our northern ancestors who are there, who have shed their blood, are in that soil.
01:08:11.820And I think that we can connect with that power again and bring something really victorious back, bring back a fire.
01:08:17.740So I'm still hopeful we can clean out all these people, but it'll come.
01:08:22.080It'll, it'll be a fight, but it'll come.
01:08:24.500Oh, this is exactly what will take place.
01:08:26.700It will come and it might come even sooner than many people have estimated.
01:08:31.280And then, you know, well, I don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing, but then the battle will be really hard because then, you know, once we get enough, then we get enough.
01:08:39.680And then, you know, what can, as you said, what can those people do when, if there are no white men, you know, supporting or building or maintaining?
01:08:48.420And the problem is, I mean, I know this situation in Japan and that some of the people, especially men, they are not interested in women anymore that much.
01:08:57.640You know, they have started to play their video games and, you know, other, other kind of realities.
01:09:01.180But when I look about, when I look at these modern, let's say, modern women, the hipster women, I mean, I can somewhat understand because I don't recognize any femininity in those people.
01:09:13.660So I can just say that they should be really interested in this because there are not too many people soon to protect them.
01:10:53.360Did you have anything you wanted to share as far as websites or material?
01:10:57.720Well, I think the best two issues would be, well, as you said already, Mr. Geert Hofstede,
01:11:02.620those who are interested in cultures and especially multiculturalism, I think this guy at least can give some kind of starting point to that.
01:11:12.100And the other one would be probably mavericks of the mind.
01:11:15.760And that would be probably the best way to understand nature and the reality of nature, the language and forms and the mysteries.
01:11:22.720And that's, that's one very, very interesting.
01:11:25.720Not so much, of course, related to multiculturalism more, but they have some ecological stuff too.
01:11:31.000But those are really the mavericks of the mind.
01:11:34.180You don't need anything else when it comes to science because those guys, they were so deep.
01:11:52.480And I wish all the best for you and Henrik and this Red Ice Creations and Radio 14.
01:11:57.060It's, it's a very, very, very good thing what you're doing, really.
01:12:00.300Even the Green Parties, which we know are openly communist, do not touch the subject of mass immigration and its effect on the environment.
01:12:10.240They seem to think if we can just get all the third world into white countries, then it will end poverty and suffering.
01:12:16.180Yet the poverty and suffering just seems to follow them wherever they go.
01:12:19.160All of a sudden, evolutionists are silent, not talking about how this pattern implies evolutionary and genetic rather than purely social, political, economic, or cultural causes.
01:12:31.260Let's talk about that science, the science that Marxists are now calling scientific racism because it does not support their cuckoo-puff, la-la-land liberal psychosis.
01:12:40.800They'll say, but I know this one guy from Africa who made it when he got to England.
01:12:45.120So because one foreigner got to England and became successful and learned our way, we should now import millions into our land to give them the same chance.
01:12:53.100We should become minorities in our own countries, completely change the demographics, even sacrifice our culture to help them improve their quality of life.
01:13:01.920Even if that means our countries are so crowded that our children don't even have a patch of grass to play on.
01:13:48.380It's usually created by humans when native vegetation is cleared for agriculture, rural development, or urbanization.
01:13:56.980Habitats, which were once continuous, become divided into separate fragments.
01:14:01.600And after intensive clearing, the separate fragments tend to be very small islands isolated from each other, creating a population fragmentation.
01:14:11.220This causes a species to become threatened or endangered because the isolation causes a reduction in land, changes in breeding, and they're more exposed to predators.
01:14:21.380It even demands a different characteristic from ancestors before the fragmentation occurred.
01:14:28.840Our people's nations are beginning a process of fragmentation, becoming isolated from our own people, pushed to the corners of our land to make room for newcomers who are not native species.
01:14:57.540It's no different with humans, thinking of our racial ecosystem.
01:15:01.660When the invasive species is discovered and has spread, that country battles to remove it because it creates a broad range of impacts that can even wipe out native plants and animals or change the landscape.
01:15:13.080We also get hit with economic losses from this damage.
01:15:16.320So we should apply our concept of protecting wildlife to protecting European people.
01:15:22.820The fact is, before mass immigration, when people stayed local, we didn't have such drastic issues with importing invasive species.
01:15:31.200It's upsetting to the natural balance of Earth.
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