Zulma Rayo has a BA in Romance Languages and Literature and an MA in Education, both from New York University. She carried out post-grad studies in Psychology and Counseling, and is the author of 11 books. She incorporates an understanding of the practice of various esoteric matters and wisdom traditions from the past, and aims to bring these to life in a 21st century way. She'll be speaking at the Conference for Consciousness and Human Evolution in London, taking place on August 25th-26th.
00:00:30.000This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.
00:00:45.880Greetings, this is Lana. My guest today is Zulma Rayo. Zulma Rayo has a BA in Romance Languages and Literature and an MA in Education, both from New York University.
00:00:55.500She carried out post-grad studies in psychology and counseling. Zulma is the author of 11 books.
00:01:01.620She incorporates an understanding of the practice of various esoteric matters and certain wisdom traditions from the past and aims to bring these to life integrated into a 21st century way.
00:01:12.120She'll be speaking at the Conference for Consciousness and Human Evolution in London, taking place on August 25th, 26th, and 27th.
00:01:19.240You can find the link for the conference on this interview's webpage. Welcome, Zulma. How are you today?
00:03:44.380Women do not recognize that force that they are, that we are.
00:03:48.900And by the feminine, I mean we are more like the background rather than the subject that is perceiving.
00:03:59.040And we are always this receptive field.
00:04:02.320I'm talking about morphic fields in the presentation that influence one another, is being influenced and influences one another.
00:04:10.300And we are that constant mutating influence that is highly receptive, both on the cosmic and planetary energy levels.
00:04:21.800And the man is the one, or the male, is a force that gives it a form, a direction, and a meaning.
00:04:28.080So, obviously, both are very important.
00:04:29.840But at the moment, because the female is lacking or absent, there is a preponderance towards the let's do it, let's look for form to do it.
00:04:41.440I'm constantly writing in my blog, for example, that we need to just put a stop to all this simulation in corporations, but not just corporations, everywhere.
00:04:52.920We are pretending that we are doing noble things, and if we keep labeling them and not living them, there is a big gap between this labeling and living.
00:05:04.840Unless we live it as the immediate present, it is something like we have talked for decades now, more than that, about meditation.
00:05:14.680But it seems like it's something apart from life, you know, like life has to go on, money has to go on, the forms, the corporations, the business have to go on.
00:05:26.660But without the fondo, without the depth of a conscious, sentient life, which is what I'm calling the feminine principle, the forms are ridiculous.
00:05:42.100They just keep getting more and more grotesque without really anything changing.
00:05:46.960There's lots of talk about group consciousness, about ideals, about flexibility, etc., etc., lots of coined terms.
00:05:56.660But there is really no difference in the structure of things, and male, man, is responsible for the structure.
00:06:07.820Unless he can make a break, unless he can give a pause and welcome the feminine energy, which he will never understand, we love, but there is, I mean, we're just like, you know, parallel universes.
00:07:18.340Somewhere, you know, I see the direction is coming from the people themselves, but there is no understanding of it, which is usually the feminine method.
00:07:27.940We just go ahead and feel, and we're not quite sure how this is defined or how you label it, you know.
00:07:35.540But there's mass movements everywhere of people here in Spain, of the people who are just sitting in.
00:07:42.460In my generation, we would call them, we would sit in.
00:07:45.440They're protesting, but they don't want another system.
00:07:48.800They're protesting something, and they don't even know what it is.
00:07:51.260And we're protesting, all of us, within ourselves, for a change, for a more qualitative experience of life, and the processes of life, and the forms of life that are flexible.
00:16:15.760And through a glass, a very dark glass, through a glass darkly, we don't see the whole as being a necessary and, you know, just a holistic unit.
00:16:29.240Yeah, it's very out of balance right now.
00:16:33.020So when you speak of the female principle, are you talking about balancing also the two, the male and the female, within us right now as we move into a female cycle?
00:16:51.060But it's like if we're talking about balance, we're going to sing, well, we have to do something feminine and do something masculine and appear something feminine and appear something masculine.
00:17:02.480It's like a sliding into an inner space, the inner woman or the inner man, which I'm calling the inner woman and I'm calling the feminine principle.
00:17:12.160It is a question of being both without one or the other or one and another.
00:17:39.940And this misconception leads to more and more separation, more fragmentation, more doing, more appearance, more form-giving, and more male principle.
00:18:42.820Well, I think it happened when, first of all, our bodies became denser, the whole composition of our physical bodies.
00:18:50.000And as we became denser, let's say the proportion of light and matter in our very cells, in our constitution, kind of tipped over towards the denser aspect.
00:19:02.120And I'm not seeing this as anything negative either.
00:19:04.420I'm seeing it as a necessary evolutionary process as I do everything which apparently is not so nice.
00:19:41.720I base a lot on my kind of a Gnostic teaching, J-N-O-S-I-S-T-I-C, Gnostic, which is like the early Christian, which was based on the Egyptian.
00:19:55.960And these archetypes there are at three stages.
00:20:00.880There's the archetype of the woman as being a figure of light, of lightness, of joy.
00:20:43.700It's Persephone in the six months that she spends down there.
00:20:46.520It's the calculating woman who deals, our aspect, that deals with the dead, with the whole decaying part of matter and evolution itself.
00:21:05.160And then there'll be, there's three archetypes within that.
00:21:08.440And then there'll be the last one, which is the Sophia, the wisdom, the one that incorporates all six of them or all, both aspects of the light and the dark within herself.
00:21:23.300And so we'll see many archetypes that belong to one or the other or they belong to the third.
00:21:29.400For example, the Kuan Yin, Virgin Mary, what was her name, these ethereal aspects of woman belong to the light side.
00:21:44.360The Kali, you know, the Astarte will belong to the dark aspect of woman.
00:21:51.280But the fact is that we're both the Sophia.
00:21:54.580We are the wisdom, the serpent and the dove.
00:22:00.940In your view, why has it been so difficult to balance both the male and female principles into our civilization?
00:22:06.780How is it that the males have really taken over and why, what did they gain from suppressing the females?
00:22:48.760And one of the things that I'm doing, and I hope to reach more and more people through programs like yours and other opportunities,
00:22:56.280is to bring women not only the understanding of who and what she is, but to bring us together.
00:23:02.820That we will exert upon the world the influence that we need to exert, not through fear or through ambition, but simply by our own presence, by who we are.
00:23:15.080So it's a kind of a growth in consciousness.
00:23:18.520And I feel, I know, that a group of women will be enough almost like to change the world, but it needs to be a very strong group.
00:26:32.480But we will, that same quality of energy will be in the background and we will always be man and woman and we will always be attracted to one another.
00:26:42.520We will always delight in matter, in, in, in, in the sexual experience, but in a different way.
00:26:50.060It's not, see now it's a, it's a big, kind of an ad, you know, like I am good.
00:27:12.940And, uh, but you, we, we started, we had to start feeling sorry for them and hope to point to a different way.
00:27:19.220Do you think also during a female cycle that maybe men would be sexualized more?
00:27:23.380Um, I don't think either would be sexualized.
00:27:27.800I think sex will be a natural, um, result of, uh, the experience of consciousness in matter.
00:27:35.000Um, the, the, the, the male is, is very focused because he's focused on everything because he is a focus.
00:27:42.320He has a focus, even the most dreamy, romantic, musician, whatever, artistic temperament of, of the male will still be focused on something, on doing and on creating.
00:29:32.380And so it's going to reverberate in our, in our worlds, in the way we lead our world.
00:29:37.400And so the way we handle emotions now, I would say, is a negative or, you know, an undesirable expression of what our sentient abilities are about.
00:29:48.460We manipulate a lot through it, through our emotions.
00:29:51.860And men are so, I mean, they're, as we would say in a state, suckers for, you know, the, the, the, the weeping woman who needs them to protect them.
00:30:00.680Um, and it's absurd, even in the refined, intelligent, intellectual men will still fall to that, you know, in that trap.
00:30:10.780Uh, and we will also, there, there, there's another point to our anatomy or to our structure in the female is that, uh, our, our base center, our, our, our, what I was describing before as being the, the, uh, the cervix is, is, is, is very absorbent.
00:30:27.580So wherever we are, no matter what we look like, and this is where the, uh, the traditions of covering us up and hiding us and, you know, keeping us in, under lock and key and putting a chastity belt around, is like, we're exerting that influence upon matter wherever we are.
00:30:44.780So the negative expression of that is women's, and women's use by men of this, you know, of this feminine characteristic, um, a positive characteristic, I would say, is the, uh, the ability that we have to use our mind in a way that is non-linear as well as linear.
00:31:06.760Or, let's say, combining both, um, if you will remember, the original goddesses, uh, the goddess of, of justice, of law, is Ma'at.
00:31:20.720And, uh, she's the one who holds the scales and, and, and weighs the heart of the human being against a feather when, when they pass over into another dimensional reality.
00:31:31.140And the, the, the, the, it's like, we, we think of the law of being, you know, Solomonic, um, the, the, the famous child who's held up by the hair, you know, and the two women arguing about, no, he's my child.
00:31:43.960And Solomon says, well, I'm going to split it in half.
00:31:46.720And the real mother says, no, let the other one have it.
00:31:49.940So, it's this kind of, no, let the other one have it, sense of justice, that, uh, and fairness that women have inherently in them, if their sensibilities are aroused and they're aware to them, aware of them.
00:32:02.740The, the, the, the, the male sense of justice will be, will be very fair, uh, it, it will be egalitarian, but it is based on the outside form, if, if I'm communicating correctly.
00:33:11.920The forms upon it, the, the, the, the law and order are the male custodianship of that, of that body.
00:33:19.720But, uh, the Earth is going through tremendous changes, and it's saying, no, wait, enough, um, give me some space, give me some life, give me some quality.
00:33:30.920And just like, I think women everywhere, given the chance to see where their priorities really lie, will ask that same question.
00:33:39.920Well, there's a saying, hell has no fury like a woman scorned.
00:33:44.600So, do you think that the Earth might lash out with some natural disasters?
00:33:49.280Well, I think that's what's happening, like the lioness herself.
00:33:53.780You know, there's, there's a, I make a, a little bit of a distinction, a little bit, not a lot, a big distinction between the male cycle and the female cycle,
00:34:02.580going through historical periods of, of construction and development, where, you know, survival and physical and boundaries are, are, are, are overcome.
00:34:14.460And the, the male energy is very much through effort, discipline, and survival.
00:34:34.920The fact that they get lost in the parts and never go back to the whole is, is somehow, you know, it's irrelevant.
00:34:42.220And, uh, the feminine cycles are more the farming, domestication, the introversion, the cycles of affinity, the new beginnings, collaboration.
00:34:53.380You know, we're talking a lot about collaboration now and quality.
00:34:56.100And, uh, earth's cellular memory is imprinted in the female body.
00:35:33.860There's so much that is called intuition.
00:35:36.680It's all this astral, you know, kind of nebulous things about what's pretty, what glitters, what is, uh, seductive.
00:35:44.520And, uh, and, uh, and projected by the human intellect and mind in the thought forms.
00:35:52.460What are your thoughts on the woman of the apocalypse, a figure from the book of Revelation?
00:35:56.600Well, I think if we're living it, aren't we, um, it's, um, it's, she's, she's a powerful, um, result of the striving, of the longing.
00:36:12.080There's a very, uh, very, uh, beautiful, although difficult to understand, treatise, which is called Pistis Sophia.
00:36:20.560And it's the descent of the feminine into hell, into Hades, which is really symbolic of incarnation to the densest matter.
00:36:30.320And how she tries to come up, and each time she tries to come up, it's almost like she just crawls up and something pushes her back down again.
00:36:39.480And, you know, this is going on for eons and eons and eons in time.
00:36:43.640And eventually, she is, uh, redeemed by the Christ spirit, which is, which is, uh, the male angel or the, the, the aspect of, of consciousness that is beyond polarity.
00:36:55.960I hear a lot of people saying that we're moving into 4D consciousness.
00:36:59.400I don't know what your thoughts are on that, but I'm always curious, well, then, what, what would happen to the earth if we moved into 4D consciousness and left 3D behind?
00:39:44.580Sometimes you get tired to being a woman.
00:39:46.260You feel slimed when you go out and guys are staring at you the whole time.
00:39:49.680So if a woman is receptive and a man, how can we benefit from this cycle, from a feminine cycle?
00:39:59.680Well, the cycle that I'm talking about, the feminine cycle has what I'm calling a vertical window.
00:40:07.400It's, it's a term that I'm using a lot to describe my work and this kind of perception.
00:40:12.640Instead of looking out straight in front of you in a horizontal way, it's a, it's a looking inside and looking up.
00:40:19.920It's a, um, it's a perception of what is already here, but in a, in a, in a, in a, how to say it, in a whole way, in a feeling sentient way, in a way that you can see, feel, touch, experience.
00:40:38.400See, I also wanted to get your opinion on, I don't know if you're familiar with the endocrine disruptors and gender bending chemicals.
00:40:46.640They're actually disrupting people's hormones and making men think like women and women think like men.
00:40:53.080Oh, that is, uh, that is a, that is a gross distortion.
00:40:57.720Um, also, um, you know, I'm all for, I've had, and I have very, very dear, dear, um, um, gay and, and, and lesbian friends at different moments.
00:41:08.880But, um, the expression of your sexuality, how you want to behave or what, you know, what, what, what turns you on in a way is your own private affair.
00:41:20.220I keep going back to sexuality is your private affair, not something to be exhibited.
00:41:24.540And when a person in a gender really wants to change and alter his body or her body to become the other gender, there's something that is going to be very, very disruptive.
00:41:36.160Now, it's not going to be perhaps so destructive to the physical aspect, although I believe it will be, but to the consciousness that is in embodiment.
00:41:47.100We express ourselves through a body, but that which is consciousness, that which is the, the, the, you know, the, the, the essence, the quality of, of who I am is, uh, is going to be disturbed by these chemical compounds and hormones and alteration of the, of the, of the body that you chose.
00:42:07.100Now, the body that you have, as a result, now, this conscious choice is something that is arguable from the, from the perspective of the immediate choice.
00:42:16.600Now, I, I consciously would not choose something, perhaps now, that I would in my, in my altered, say, more holistic state.
00:42:27.520But, in a sense, everything that happens to me, to everyone, is a result of what you, of the causes of what you're doing right now.
00:42:37.720So, you have the body that you wished for, in a sense, even though you have the mother, even though you're fighting with her all the time, or the father, or the horrible situations that happened in your life.
00:42:48.720And, uh, for many, many, many years, I've been working with clearing those fields of, uh, to understand how a life lesson is learned in pain.
00:43:00.000And, uh, and so, I think part of the guidance that we need to offer people is the understanding of being a consciousness, and to accept the gender that you have.
00:43:10.260Then you, you can do whatever you like.
00:43:12.200You can put frills on it, or take them away.
00:43:16.360It's, uh, you know, just like, like, 12-year-olds and 13-year-olds, I know, in, in Brazil, where I lived before, and even here in Spain.
00:43:25.960You know, parents allowing the girls to have a boob job.
00:43:28.960I mean, you know, really, at, at 12 and 13.
00:48:32.520Um, yeah, or, or kids having the same gender parents.
00:48:37.580Um, again, this is just a question of, of communication of, of consciousness and being, um, the issues that the parents are having, the relationship.
00:48:48.100I mean, I, I, I, I personally, now this is not, this is not a, it's not even a belief.
00:48:55.760And I think people are coming together because they want to be together and there has to be.
00:49:01.500It's not a question of, it's not a question of, it feels good now and if it doesn't, I divorce you.
00:49:05.820It's a question of the commitment that is taken, that is engaged on from the very beginning.
00:49:10.680What makes you, you know, what makes you really want to be with another person?
00:49:13.880What is, uh, you know, what is this commitment that, what are you committing to?
00:49:18.340Um, which was the whole original, uh, meaning of, of, of marriage or of certain, certainly of the unio mystica.
00:49:26.780Um, is, is you're coming together at a, at a very central place and you know that you're not going to, you're going to go through periods where you're not going to like the other.
00:49:41.520It brings up stuff in you that you don't like and you keep projecting and you keep bouncing it back and forth and understanding all this and understanding that relationship is more than just doing things together and being side by side and, uh, people begin to use one another.
00:49:58.720This is the problem with relationships.
00:50:00.880You know, I, I will exploit you and you will exploit me, but then I sell myself so that I, you know, this is what I, this is how I can be exploited.
00:50:08.180You know, it's my, you do this to me and I do this to you and this is a contract, but nobody, you know, they don't wake up to the fact that they're writing a contract and they're sealing it in blood and then afterwards they blame one another.
00:50:22.000So the dysfunctional marriages and relationships have to do with the, the, a whole change in optic and perspective.
00:50:29.120It is, is, I think it is evolving as, as, as humanity evolves.
00:50:32.480Remember, I told you this 400 more years still, and we're working very hard and very fast and it'll go by very quickly and it's very intense.
00:50:41.800It doesn't mean that it's not happening tomorrow.
00:50:46.500I think too, with a lot of people in bad relationships, they just need to be more selective and say no and wait it out until they find the person that's right for them.
00:50:56.360Because, I mean, I think in a true relationship, like my relationship, it's, it's no work.
00:51:01.160There's no work and it's just all beauty and it's, it's changed my life.
00:51:05.540So I think people need to just wait for that and hold out for that and not feel pressure to think, I need to be married by 30 and have kids by 35.
00:51:13.220This is all the doing mentality, Lana.
00:51:16.380And the question also is that, that, that you choose, you know, there's so many people that looking for a partner, they don't care what at certain points, because they don't want to be alone, because they feel needy.
00:51:29.920They feel needy of social interaction, of expansion, of the challenge of life, of, of experience.
00:51:36.900And so, you know, put all these things into perspective, it's, if you feel needy, then, you know, you're going to sell yourself at all costs.
00:51:45.460And being needy is a turn off, let's face it.
00:51:48.780But, you know, it really goes a long, long way.
00:52:38.700But, you know, the thing is, if you look at these soulmates in history, Abelard and Eloise and St. Clair and St. Francis and so on,
00:52:46.760they're relationships where they're so intense that they bring up everything in you, just like the earth now is processing all this, this darkness and this negativity.
00:52:58.940When you meet with a soulmate, most of the time, you're not even going to be able to stand them.
00:53:05.440You know, their proximity for very long, they bring up everything in you that is not perfection.