In this episode, we talk with Seth Cooper and Eric Yunt about their new novel, The Glorious Path, a Nietzschean fantasy novel with Nietzschean parallels and ideas that are very relevant to the alt-right.
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00:00:41.400an interesting talk one that incorporates a fantasy novel with Nietzschean parallels ideas that are
00:00:46.860very relevant to the alt-right with me is seth cooper author of the glorious path along with
00:00:52.300publisher illustrator eric yunt seth cooper is a lifelong devotee of fantasy and mythology having
00:00:58.660earned a philosophy degree in 2001 he lives by himself in the rural northern neck of virginia
00:01:04.160where he continues to realize the far-reaching series that begins with the glorious path his
00:01:08.860debut novel and eric yunt received an education at the md institute college of art going on to work in
00:01:14.520various realms of video production he became increasingly disgruntled with the shallowness
00:01:18.860of mainstream storytelling and created oer strat works as a platform to reignite sublime ideals
00:01:24.680we'll focus on the premise of the gods have fled and the dire need for the ubermensch or the overmen
00:01:30.400seth cooper and eric yunt up next welcome seth cooper thanks for coming to the program yeah no problem
00:01:36.680thank you very much i i don't exaggerate but when i say i do take this as a high honor to have been
00:01:44.500invited onto your show especially since i'm somebody you've never met before and whose work you're
00:01:50.040completely unfamiliar with this will be fun i'm looking forward to and we also have eric yunt
00:01:54.760thanks for being here thanks for having me so how did you two connect uh we first met through some
00:02:01.960mutual friends it was about the time that i was uh graduating high school um and a friend i had known
00:02:10.760in high school uh met seth's younger brother and we all got together we we were having sort of like
00:02:18.260treks through the woods um and playing dnd we played some video games now and then uh but it was
00:02:26.580it was a series of common interests that kept us as a group of friends together uh mostly dealing with
00:02:33.840honestly the central ideology was based around tolkien's works so we would often relate things
00:02:43.480like experiences say if we're you know just walking through the woods having a campfire talking about
00:02:48.840how things that we were doing was something similar to what you might find in say the silmarillion or
00:02:57.960you know it so we just we started envisioning like ideas about worlds uh even that far back which was
00:03:07.800maybe something like 12 years ago um so and that that was in uh carroll county which is a rural county in
00:03:16.120uh maryland and uh it was it was preserved from uh at least back then it was a very hilly country
00:03:27.000preserved from say a large degree of deforestation and such um but yeah it just it was a long-running
00:03:35.880relationship that we've you know maintained over the years so and then seth of course you're the
00:03:43.720author of the glorious path here about 600 pages it's uh it's a door stopper uh it's it's full of
00:03:51.240adventure and old world concepts and we'll get into some of these things but what inspired you to write
00:03:56.440this book wow um i'm not even sure which angle to address that that question from but
00:04:05.640i i guess it's sort of a composite of my lifelong interest in i i'll say fantasy but i have a whole
00:04:16.920thing about that that we'll probably get into later but um because when you say fantasy it sort of denotes a
00:04:23.640genre that i think has completely degenerated into nonsense so i i the the more precise thing to say
00:04:33.560here is my interest in tolkien and my interest in tolkien is largely not uh simply the fantastical
00:04:41.400elements of his works but his anglo-saxon uh expertise and in his love of that world um combined with
00:04:50.840my background in philosophy um that that's my i i i i guess my academic background you could say
00:05:00.840my degrees are in philosophy and theology ironically i guess uh but uh i so i i guess the glorious path is
00:05:10.680the culmination of some guy who has had uh a deep love of teutonic literature rolling through his brain
00:05:19.240uh whilst at the same time uh whilst at the same time mulling over many philosophical ideas um years
00:05:27.800worth i i i you know it it's a philosophical education that's a combination of formal education
00:05:35.400and auto didacticism on my own part uh so i i i don't know how detailed you want me to get
00:05:42.680autobiographically here but well without giving away any spoilers maybe you can tell us what is the
00:05:49.000plot of the book the glorious path the fictional plot well we'll get into some of the real world
00:05:54.280themes in it later on i i okay i i i don't know how much of the backstory i should give on this but
00:06:01.800basically the the context uh presented in the opening part of the work is uh encapsulated in this
00:06:12.920idea that the gods have fled um which is borrowed from martin heidegger actually german philosopher of
00:06:21.000the 30s 40s and 50s and into the 60s as well but even that phrase was supposed to be a reworking of
00:06:28.760nietzsche's uh proclamation in zarathustra that god is dead and we can talk about that later but uh but
00:06:36.920but but anyway the the main the main obviously this is fiction i mean the glorious path is fiction
00:06:42.120but it's a context in which the gods have fled for mysterious reasons and to explain what those
00:06:51.800reasons are at this juncture would be to give away some substantial spoilers but um anyway the idea is
00:07:00.840that humanity has gone its own way for centuries uh in the absence of these gods who were the de facto
00:07:12.600rulers of this world and in the meantime the the various strains of humanity have uh just filtered out
00:07:23.880across the continent and being uh shorn of their masters have by and large lapsed into decadence and
00:07:36.840degeneration and the main character uh is somebody who just i guess you could say existentially is
00:07:47.080discomfited with that position um yeah telethastro maslow right now is he based on anyone specific
00:07:55.480or is this supposed to represent an archetype in our modern era well um i'm not i can't remember you
00:08:03.000you you actually have the arc virgin lana uh and you you will be getting the finished version i assure you
00:08:10.680uh any day now if you wish but the uh i i can't remember if in the finished version or not it mentions
00:08:18.200this but telethastro um was named after a tightrope walker who had come into town but so that his father
00:08:26.200had seen and was amused by so the goofiness of the name is sort of deliberate like i knew the name sounded
00:08:33.080like a magician or something or you know but uh but that is supposed to be reminiscent of part one of
00:08:39.080thus spoke zarathustra where there's a tight rope walker and the name talethastro has the same
00:08:44.920sort of uh syllabic cadence as zarathustra so talethastro is a zarathustra-esque character throughout this tale
00:08:56.760so that that's the provenance of the name itself um so it has an it has an extrinsic explanation
00:09:05.480in in terms of its phonetics but it also has an internal story explanation which also ties into
00:09:12.440zarathustra because of the tightrope walker so the the glorious path is filled with these like
00:09:17.400triangulated metaphors that um you don't need to be aware of but if you do they're sort of like these
00:09:24.680easter eggs that the light bulb goes off he's like oh i got it i see what he's up to well you know this
00:09:29.880is a theme i've come across a lot too you know the gods have fled and of course nietzsche's famous
00:09:34.200statement the god is dead i mean this is a theme that's really been coming back into the the alt
00:09:40.120right if you will people have talked about this but both of you guys what does that mean to say
00:09:44.920the gods have fled applying that in modern day because i think it does apply in your story and
00:09:49.720of course it applies in our in our modern era so what does that mean to you for me it means okay
00:09:55.800it's it's it's one thing to say when nietzsche declares god is dead in zarathustra he is what
00:10:04.840he is not simply saying is that the judeo-christian god does not exist he's not making a metaphysical
00:10:14.120assertion which is how most people seem to interpret that today like i mean i i even heard richard dawkins
00:10:22.680presumably you know who he is i mean who doesn't but uh when asked what he thinks about
00:10:30.440friedrich nietzsche in front of an audience uh dawkins response was well i i don't i don't know why
00:10:37.240nietzsche just didn't say god doesn't exist why did he have to say god is dead that's an ambiguous
00:10:43.000statement that that you know which i i was sort of following dawkins up to that that for me that was a
00:10:49.960sort of turning point uh where i started deviating uh from following dawkins or thinking he had much to
00:10:59.480say that spoke to me or you know that i had much to derive from what he had to say but anyway um
00:11:08.680what what dawkins seems to like that sort of thinking that sort of positivistic that logical
00:11:15.720positivistic type thinking doesn't understand that what what nietzsche was doing was providing
00:11:21.960a sort of super historical commentary on the state of affairs that culture had especially his
00:11:29.240european culture nietzsche considered himself european actually over and above being prussian um
00:11:37.720what what he was saying was that god that belief in god has generally uh been put to the
00:11:45.560wayside that we are no longer living uh in a christian like that christendom itself is over
00:11:53.800that you know the the the hold of christianity over medieval europe has at last ended at least among
00:12:00.360intellectuals or those in power like frederick ii or somebody like that um and so we he saw that as a sign
00:12:11.080that europe was entering a new age a sort of brave new world if you will in which uh the old moral
00:12:20.760order was no longer to be adhered to um that's saying a lot more than just god doesn't exist
00:12:29.480that's that's like that boils down to a point that you might use to uh
00:12:34.840uh like among the intellectuals who were no longer basing their ideas on god being there that that's
00:12:45.640just like a a cursory statement you might say that they might say amongst themselves but saying god is
00:12:52.280dead is like is laying it out as an overall cultural idea that our culture is no longer based
00:13:00.280based in the idea of uh and and and our human identity is no longer based on an idea of gods or
00:13:09.080or like a longing for or practices related to gods uh even though up to that point that's what virtually all
00:13:18.600of humanity like all of human life and history uh had been now didn't nietzsche also have a problem
00:13:27.320though with the western world's reliance on religion kind of as a moral compass yes certainly i mean he
00:13:34.600he was i i hope i'm not impressing on you that nietzsche was necessarily lamenting the fact that that god is
00:13:41.480dead i mean one only has to read antichrist to see that that's not true it is nietzsche's point is that
00:13:49.960that since christianity it finally no longer has the stranglehold on europe that it had had for
00:14:00.440millennia we are entering a new era and it remains to be seen what will come out of that era because now
00:14:09.640it's sort of a a race to uh to power who are going to be the the overlords who get to
00:14:19.800determine what the the value shall be for the european races and um so much of his writing is founded on
00:14:30.920that concern um he i i mean i i i don't know how much of this we want to be about nietzsche but um his
00:14:41.240his his ultimate concern was the superman or walter kaufman translates it as the overman
00:14:52.200for reasons i sort of agree with because today the superman when you say superman what do most
00:14:58.440people think of a a goofy uh comic book do-gooder created by two jews in the 1930s yeah that's not at
00:15:06.920all what nietzsche was talking about it what he had in mind was quite antithetical to that comic book
00:15:12.840character um so i props to kaufman for translating a deserver man but yeah so nietzsche's basic well
00:15:24.280i'll say basic point um is that in the absence of a god that nobody believes in
00:15:32.360uh and by a god he means an all for for nietzsche the critical thing is an all-powerful being
00:15:42.440not an all-moral being the the critical thing is that there's an all-powerful being
00:15:47.480and in the absence of a conviction in that being now man is left to his own devices to eke out an
00:15:56.840existence uh without any surety of such a power and now has a sort of existential burden
00:16:07.240on his own willing to do something about that and nietzsche gives a name for that he calls it the will
00:16:15.560to power the the will to power is something that pervades it you know it's sort of like the force in
00:16:23.640star wars or something it's uh i don't know scratch that that's probably stupid but it is something
00:16:31.000that goes down even to like if you actually read the the book entitled the will to power which he
00:16:38.120himself didn't publish it was put together by uh frau uh uh forces yeah his sister um who compiled his
00:16:51.160notes and put it under that title of the will to power which was a book he intended to write but
00:16:58.440whether it turned out to be the one his sister publishes is debatable but um i mean even in that
00:17:05.560work he describes the will to power as something that reaches all the way down to the protoplasmic
00:17:12.120level and all the way up to the galactic level and with human beings just a sort of intermediate
00:17:18.520expression of the will to power so when you when you look at history and and you look at sociology
00:17:25.720and anthropology and you see conflict and racial divides and racial struggles that's not to be
00:17:31.800marveled at that's to be expected because all groups are engaged ineluctably in a historical and
00:17:40.040super historical will to power this kind of fits with the might is right concept doesn't it i mean
00:17:47.720isn't it a question of might versus morality i mean today we're really caught up in morality instead of
00:17:52.840just being mighty and taking what is ours and not feeling guilt about it right yeah he has a whole
00:18:00.200thing about guilt you know the bad conscience um for for nietzsche morality is identified with might
00:18:08.440it's not opposed to it i mean he he defines good as what is strong strength is what's good and what's bad
00:18:16.040is weakness so it's not that nietzsche is he well he does call himself an anti-moralist but i think that
00:18:26.040was more for rhetorical purposes uh than anything else but um he does have an idea of good and good is
00:18:36.120whatever is powerful and the absence of whatever is powerful is bad and you know to to tie that back
00:18:45.000into the glorious path since ultimately that's what we're talking about i guess um it that is that
00:18:52.120sort of moral rubric is what the prose narrative the like the axiological structure x axiol axiology
00:19:02.200is just this 10 cent word that means the study of values um the axiological structure of the glorious
00:19:08.760math is founded on a sort of political and historical conflict between uh the slave morality and the
00:19:19.560master morality so on the one hand you you have a group of people who represent what you might call
00:19:26.120the master morality which is good versus bad it along the lines that i just described as is nietzsche
00:19:32.360understood that versus the wider world which has adopted us something that more emphasizes the slave
00:19:39.400morality which is good versus evil good and evil in that sense means the inversion of good and bad
00:19:49.000where good is what the master morality would consider is bad and evil as what the master morality would
00:19:57.800consider is good which is strength yeah it's interesting sorry to just add that it's true
00:20:04.920when it comes to when it comes to might and morality it seems like in this day and age there's a shame
00:20:09.880for being the strong one right and for or for favoring the victorious or propping up the best one now
00:20:16.200it's the the highest road when you can prop up the weakest it's like the most virtuous thing in the world
00:20:22.120isn't it yeah i i'm you know i'm not of the millennial generation as you can probably see by the phrase
00:20:29.400already coming in here but it it i mean even in the 70s and 80s it was unheard of to boast of being the
00:20:38.280greatest victim of all i mean that that's just astonishing to me i'm not that plugged into the whole
00:20:43.720internet realm but to what extent i have seen of it it's abhorrent like i just can't believe that
00:20:50.600that people are seem to be engaged in a competition as to outdo one another as to who's the greatest
00:20:56.280victim i it i mean that this uh celebration of weakness as you're putting it lana well as you
00:21:07.320are describing to me the ultimate logic of that is nihilism or as nietzsche says a death wishing
00:21:15.560because there are no options about it i mean either you're ascending in strength or you are
00:21:24.600diminishing towards weakness and final eradication that that's the spectrum that all life lives on
00:21:32.280whether you like it or not and the culture we seem to be living in is one that prides itself
00:21:39.320on hastening towards obliteration at least in the west and at least among the descendants of
00:21:48.680i'll say the stronger our stronger teutonic ancestors who would not have understood
00:21:55.480the the current malaise that we're in presently it would have been unthinkable no i mean what do you
00:22:00.920guys both think is the main source of uh european people's tendency in today in age to feel guilt and
00:22:08.360shame like they do where do you guys think that that comes from it's definitely a fallout from
00:22:13.880christianity um but christianity doesn't have the same hold especially over the uh the the european
00:22:25.560as it used to at least not in the the religious supernatural sense to a large extent it would seem
00:22:32.600that um and this is an experience that uh i've seen and that seth has seen along with me in what was
00:22:42.600called the new atheist movement i'm not sure if that's really a term anymore it's not really about
00:22:48.920that anymore but um the the sudden departure from following the christian religion uh and and a slew of
00:23:03.960people becoming atheists basically uh what they were doing is they were throwing out belief in the god
00:23:10.280uh throwing out supernatural beliefs basically um which comports with what seth and i are doing here
00:23:20.040because there's not supposed to be anything supernatural in uh the glorious path
00:23:26.440um they they threw out supernaturalism and god and sublimity basically but kept the morality
00:23:34.200so in in a sense like the the uh the current the modern atheist the sort of liberal uh secular humanist
00:23:46.600if you will um is is still a christian it like to to my eyes really um they they hold on to that
00:23:58.600morality and that guilt it's just that to them it's not being commanded or spurred by a god and uh
00:24:07.880i'm sure seth can tell you he's been privy to uh having listened to debates and such uh arguments that
00:24:15.400secular humanists are now trying to come up with to create a a rational basis for their morality a basis
00:24:25.160that's either that's built sort of through the combination of studying nature and what they
00:24:31.400consider to be rationality um such as with the the work by sam harris titled good without god
00:24:39.880um he's looking for a way to maintain the the christian interpretation of good and bad right and wrong
00:24:48.360without having the religion there which includes you know the the the rituals and the hierarchy etc
00:24:58.200um so seth i'm not sure if you have a tie in there as far as like uh yeah well the rationality
00:25:06.840or secular humanism because i know uh glorious path really attacks that right yeah i i think at that
00:25:13.640point my nietzschean influence probably shines the most uh because uh because it if there was one
00:25:22.360thing that nietzsche was consistent on it was attacking the supposed necessary uh connection between
00:25:29.960morality and uh an emancipation from god or something like that i mean one of nietzsche's points is that
00:25:38.120socialism which centers you know or founds itself on sort of protecting the oppressed supposedly and
00:25:47.480you know instilling revenge in those who are oppressed against those who wield power um
00:25:56.440shares the same provenance with christianity and there's obvious historical evidence of this i mean
00:26:02.760the early church was basically communistical in structure where people were sharing property
00:26:09.240um as they hid from roman authorities lest they be persecuted um so it's not to be marveled at that
00:26:18.200um as the 19th century rolled on and uh jettisoned the metaphysical beliefs of christianity it
00:26:25.960nonetheless inherited the slave that like the the slavish moral code uh of christianity and
00:26:36.280we have to remember too that when nietzsche was attacking christianity he was trying to point out an
00:26:43.400irony that his fellow prussians while disdaining jews adopted by and large lutheran christianity
00:26:54.440and nietzsche's point was well wait a minute uh it's pretty obvious that christianity itself is an
00:27:03.160extension of judaism so the in multiple places in echo homo and antichrist in the um the gay science
00:27:13.160nietzsche identifies the two great corruptors of the european races as first off christianity and
00:27:20.600second place alcoholism and third place syphilis but which he may have been a victim of himself who
00:27:27.560knows but um but so the the basic point it's sort of a socratic maneuver on his part to say look if you
00:27:36.360guys are opposed to the anti or if you're opposed to the semitic influences in germany you ought also to
00:27:46.280be opposed to christianity which is the plot per jews par excellence to get judaism into the
00:27:55.880souls and minds of europeans yeah we're living in cultural judaism now we really are and uh yeah
00:28:02.440kind of reminds me of also tom sunik's work i know he's picked up from this where he basically talks
00:28:06.920about the downfall of the west has been abrahamic religions and monotheistic thinking and forsaking
00:28:14.280our our pagan polytheistic ways that if we were to return to that basically our european identity
00:28:20.920would be restored if we return to the old ways before christ right nature calls for what he called
00:28:29.880the the new barbarians to emerge and but nature's interest was also in the greco-roman world
00:28:37.320uh he was a philologist and specialized in ancient athenian culture and health uh hellenic culture
00:28:45.080um so he he was interested in a sort of renaissance type union of the greco-roman cultures
00:28:56.520of the south and the teutonic cultures of the north um and in the glorious path i try to
00:29:04.040furnish um a narrative a story a fictional story that expresses that union and that that's not only
00:29:15.800that that wasn't the simplest thing to do because it we we've only but uh scarcely seen such hints of
00:29:22.440that ever uh uh i i guess sort of partly in the italian renaissance perhaps but uh but anyway the the
00:29:32.040glorious path is somewhat an experiment in trying to envision perhaps for the first time what that
00:29:37.720may look like in the peoples of the morilani that that's the uh the glorious path is book one of
00:29:46.120what's meant to be a five book series and it's kind of it's a quasi-ancient world right what do you
00:29:52.680think was was better about ancient times in europe obviously you like it based on what you've written in
00:29:59.240your book yeah um well for one thing um there was a clear order of rank i i know this may not
00:30:08.600sit well with some people perhaps but um the the glorious path doesn't exactly celebrate egalitarianism
00:30:17.320i mean it it it it does find merit in an order of rank a just and fair order of rank but but you know
00:30:27.320one that does acknowledge merit and superiority where it exists i think you see look we we tend
00:30:37.240to live in a world as one only uh needs to look at the education system to see this that puts the
00:30:44.520lowest first at the expense of the more advanced students that the the higher the more intelligent
00:30:51.640students are held back for the sake of yeah it's all about the then it becomes the lowest common
00:30:56.200denominator right yeah well what what what does that mean in the long run i mean what what what are we
00:31:03.400saying our fundamental values are when we do that then i mean shouldn't we be celebrating the greatest
00:31:10.840specimens we have the the highest expressions of merit and fostering those i mean like i mean what what
00:31:18.440why is everything subordinated to what happens to be the most oppressed or the lowliest or you know
00:31:25.720i and that's why the morality of pity is such a bane on modern society pity you know to go back to eric's
00:31:33.640point that he was talking about the secular humanists to tie see all all this is kind of coherent even if
00:31:39.480it seems like we're rambling um to to be convinced that there isn't scientific evidence for god and by
00:31:47.400the way when most people say god they mean some sort of submitted god you know when when on the street
00:31:53.560somebody or the internet says that they're an atheist they probably aren't talking about a disbelief in
00:32:01.400odin or wotan or somebody yeah they generally mean a disbelief in yahweh or some version of it um i i was
00:32:10.360following that crowd for a while um sort of just out of a philosophical interest um but what has
00:32:18.440happened is that that crowd has liberalized the tremendous it's it's it's it's lapsed into a morass of
00:32:29.160just liberal nihilism to such a disgusting degree i i can barely even watch any internet video or read any
00:32:38.520book written by any of these guys or anything um i i i do have a a brief anecdote about that if
00:32:45.320if i can share it i'm not sure how interesting it is or not but eric and i have actually attended
00:32:50.840both reason rallies if you know what they are no i don't they uh are these like secular they're like
00:32:58.520the woodstocks of the secular liberal atheists good times the first one was in 2012 and both took place
00:33:11.800in dc and the uh we we went there sort of just as um purveyors and tourists if you will just to see
00:33:21.800what it was like um at the time i i might add like part of the context of that
00:33:28.600was at the time i we both grew up catholic i was still catholic like sort of on the fence about
00:33:35.880being catholic at the time that's when i was uh questioning the belief uh mostly the supernatural
00:33:43.640beliefs and so that's that's what sparked my interest in some of the thinkers who were in this
00:33:50.040uh new atheist movement and i i already knew seth's philosophical background and so we kind of
00:33:58.760coalesced around around that event and decided to attend the first reason rally um at that point i
00:34:06.520i basically had a uh jettisoned any belief in anything supernatural essentially so that's sort of
00:34:13.080the context that we started with and uh of course the the 2016 reason rally is coincided with finishing
00:34:22.280up the publishing of this of seth's book the glorious path so that's sort of how the reason rally ties into
00:34:28.840this uh but says you can continue with your uh your anecdote yeah well actually that's a good point
00:34:36.760what eric brought up because after the experience of the first reason rally we just saw a bunch of
00:34:41.720whiners basically who were like complaining about how religious people are domineering in society and
00:34:50.600i don't know they they had this victim complex that would you just turn my stomach and what what that
00:34:57.880did was raise the question for eric and me well what are we about then you know i mean okay are we
00:35:04.920just going to be a crowd of nihilists that say oh nothing matters there's no god oh it's so sad and
00:35:11.960let's just wait around and die or something like that so or just or just turn to to like
00:35:18.040like libertine hedonism and not be about anything and and make as your base like your your primary value
00:35:26.440is uh setting up a culture where everyone just sates all the pleasures that they
00:35:33.640uh might at the drop of a hat uh be inclined towards but go no farther than that have no concern for
00:35:44.280say discretion or aesthetics or how uh one is living one's passion aside from that it does not interfere
00:35:54.040with anyone else's manner of uh living living out his desires so it basically kind of boiling down
00:36:04.680into a utilitarian uh morality minimizing pain as much as possible and mass maximizing pleasure as much
00:36:13.320as possible for as many people as possible well that's not really being in um in touch with nature
00:36:19.720is it i mean you have a whole segment in the end you know to question modern truths and you write
00:36:24.840something about you know what does it mean to love nature and and it also means embracing the pleasure
00:36:29.960pleasure and the suffering right and the life and the death it seems like yeah a lot of liberals they
00:36:35.800run from nature actually egalitarianism is anti-nature that it's like it's become a religion egalitarianism
00:36:42.440that's it's a fantasy yeah it um i i would say it's it's there's a lot of attempt in in the culture
00:36:53.000at large as it's as it's panned out in the past even the past couple decades of trying to live against nature
00:37:03.080where uh you you're trying so hard to uh avoid suffering so much that
00:37:12.440you're building something that's say uh top heavy considering for instance like the the
00:37:19.320popular the way the population has exploded but being ignorant to that going on indefinitely
00:37:26.280um not that's kind of a whole tangent that you don't necessarily have to get into um
00:37:32.200i i think we we also dropped off at one of seth's points bringing up the reason rally well yeah i guess
00:37:38.680right that that was like heading up towards an anecdote i guess i'll
00:37:42.600complete that but we we went to the second reason rally which was in june of 2016 i had we we had a
00:37:52.040booth set up where we were peddling that the glorious path if you will and um it was at an after party
00:38:01.000uh for the reason rally you know filled with a bunch of half inebriated liberals um selling
00:38:10.440selling books with quite different themes and uh i actually sold a copy of the book to
00:38:17.400dan barker i i don't know if you know who he is or not it's familiar but i can't remember is he a singer
00:38:23.800no he's the co-founder of the freedom from religion foundation but located in madison wisconsin so
00:38:29.800he's like this watchdog uh he's got a team of lawyers that take complaints from people who feel
00:38:38.360that there's been a state religion uh violation so he's a pretty big deal i mean you know uh but he he
00:38:47.960came up to me sort of tepidly seeing the banner we we you know that we we had the banner hanging
00:38:54.520behind us that said the god the gods have fled one man finally does something about it sort of a
00:38:59.560catchphrase and uh this was this took you know at least half half a testicle to hang up sort of in
00:39:11.080the lines then of of these atheists to promulgate that sort of yeah most of the people in this crowd
00:39:17.080were um not just not only do they not believe in gods but the very idea of a god even if it were
00:39:27.640say something plausible uh naturalistically they're opposed to so that that's sort of what we were
00:39:35.240walking into declaring an idea about gods that uh was it what was not meant to be supernatural
00:39:45.080which so that that should not upset their sensibilities as far as like what they think
00:39:52.040can be true but they were still uncomfortable with it and you know there's the question of why but
00:39:59.480nevertheless that's that was the context that you know that we were walking into that seth's
00:40:05.480anecdote where seth's anecdote picks up now i would think too in a crowd like that that they would
00:40:12.360see this book if they were to read it and hear about you know return of the ubermensch that they
00:40:16.680would say oh well this is quite fascist and racist right you want europeans to become great again right
00:40:21.880and even saying that is like you're a fascist nazi right we we were pretty sure we heard this uh pink
00:40:28.600haired liberal uh mutter under her breath uh that that we're scary right-wingers i i i had never even
00:40:36.120that there was nothing about our table that proclaimed our political uh stature at all but
00:40:44.360she somehow inferred that but um but but dan barker came up to the table uh sort of cautiously and said
00:40:52.120now i will buy a copy but please assure me first whether this is free thinking in in spirit and um
00:41:00.680as a sort of inside joke i guess i said oh yes but it's very free thinking which was an echo of uh
00:41:08.440in the gay science nietzsche calls uh himself like what what he's about is a very free spirit as opposed
00:41:15.880to the sort of mediocre free spirits of socialists but anyway that that i guess nobody under he certainly
00:41:24.760didn't get that joke but um he did buy a copy and i i i've been waiting with bated breath to see what
00:41:31.880sort of response that this book will elicit from him uh i guess even bad publicity is good publicity
00:41:42.440in this context but but the worst thing he can do is ignore it but i mean this might be a cheesy
00:41:49.080question but you know how do we how do we set ourselves on to the glorious path or become the
00:41:55.960ubermensch is that something that you can teach people or is that something that they need to
00:41:59.720find on their own i mean this is this is important yeah you i i think you'll enjoy part two of the book
00:42:06.200lana if you ever do have the time and i say that unironically like i totally understand how busy you
00:42:11.960are i i don't i don't even know if i if i were in your position whether whether i would ever have
00:42:16.600bothered with a guy like me you know reading any of his book but so thank you for that from the outset
00:42:24.600but if you do get that far into the book you you i at least in a fictional context uh tried to relate
00:42:35.880the answer to that very question you asked what talathastro um is sort of haranguing a crowd if you will
00:42:44.280it's the the first time he's made a public appearance of that sword and he is laying forth what
00:42:51.320for him um is the path for rebuilding uh uh what would become the gods or the ubermensch as you mentioned
00:43:01.560um and he is met with some resistance and some sort of socratic questioning and uh he he
00:43:12.840deals with that i i guess i'll leave it to readers whether he deals with it satisfactorily or not
00:43:18.440but um i guess i won't shy away from at least a sort of abstract spoiler
00:43:30.600at least just for the sake of maybe priming the pump of uh attracting interest in the book among
00:43:37.160those who may attach themselves to what's called the alt-right crowd or not who aren't
00:43:43.800remiss to this idea but it does involve a eugenics theme which you may have picked up on already
00:43:52.280in chapter two didn't scare me away definitely didn't scare me away
00:43:57.960but i i deal that the whole issue of eugenics isn't a whimsical thing for me i i mean definitely
00:44:06.120nietzsche hints at it i mean hit the last part of the will to power the the entire subsection
00:44:12.680is entitled breeding and discipline um and it goes on at length about what that may mean
00:44:19.160um but you know like i said my background is in philosophy and my what one like you know earlier
00:44:27.160in this interview when you asked me what the glorious path is about one way of answering that question
00:44:32.840is this philosophical argumentative side of it and what i had done was i i as with nietzsche i've
00:44:44.440always been fascinated with ethical questions actually like what they mean and what what sorts of
00:44:49.880judgments do we employ when we decide yes we can go through with this course of action or no we must
00:44:56.360forbid this course of action um but regarding eugenics what i had done was i
00:45:04.040looked up i researched what the best objections to eugenics in in the abstract were and i found them
00:45:14.040wanting and and and so what what i did was i created of a fictional circumstance if you will embedded in
00:45:23.640an epic narrative mythos that furnishes defeaters for for the liberal obfuscations to eugenics i i into
00:45:35.400this plot i posit circumstances that defeat these arguments like so what in other words what would
00:45:45.080somebody who opposes eugenics if they were living in this fictional context what would their best arguments
00:45:50.920be now um i mean you haven't got to the point but in the book but when you get to the point where
00:45:59.320the gate to the paladoc is introduced and you uh and the morilani as a people as a as a race uh are interpolated
00:46:12.600into the plot that's when these sort of fictional uh defeaters to the best objections to eugenics that i
00:46:23.560could find are introduced um do you want to share what one of those is
00:46:31.400i get to hear a good reason against it it well it always comes down to pity mongering yeah i mean
00:46:38.280that's always the thing i mean that that that is what that's the god of today if we want to cut to
00:46:43.720the chase we i mean we can say well no god isn't that because god is pithy i mean that's what is the
00:46:49.560driving criterion for almost all policy making today yeah all of society has to stop for the
00:46:57.240guy in the wheelchair now you know i mean it's the truth i i mean and you know from a noble perspective
00:47:04.760you know that nature talks about nobility of the noblesse with our society like what marxism has
00:47:11.320done is is that it's its highest ideal is to level power and to make everybody to it it try it you
00:47:20.840know the the the famous marxist slogan is to afflict the oppress and to oppress the afflicted
00:47:28.040well think about that for a second that that's non-dynamic it was it was uh i think it was uh
00:47:33.320to to to afflict the comforted and right that's what it was yeah yeah right to afflict the comforted
00:47:40.360and to comfort the afflicted yeah and to that and to marxist the bad guy is the great ones the
00:47:46.200ones that have made it the mighty ones the beautiful ones the intelligent ones they're all about tearing
00:47:52.360that down yeah and that that is a common theme once you pinpoint that pattern it makes sense of
00:48:02.120almost everything else you see unfolding around us today because you you see that that is the driving
00:48:07.800instinct it's a it's a decadent instinct that informs all the decision making that we see going on around
00:48:16.440us and it it passes for common sense it so i mean i i guess the glorious path is sort of a t a cheeky
00:48:25.800project because it is objecting to a criterion that has been so deeply embedded unfortunately even in
00:48:37.800european races that it seems like reason itself you know and that's the point that eric was bringing
00:48:45.960up about the reason rally and all these secular humanists they pretend that their slave morality
00:48:52.840is the rational response to a godless world so how do we break that because that is really just
00:49:01.720infected all of our european nations how do we break this that that is the question yeah god of pity
00:49:09.000you know well i'm doing what i can i think i mean i really do think that reading the glorious path
00:49:16.120is a way to start breaking it yeah i think it's a culture war and we need a mythos we we pretty much
00:49:24.840lack that i mean that you know the best we can do is look back on the pagan times and sort of surmise
00:49:31.560what what their societies were like and um sort of pantomime what what those guys were doing but
00:49:39.560um i think we need rather than simply going back and trying to recover some former like trying to
00:49:47.320reboot the system back 1400 years or something like that i think we need to move ahead with things as
00:49:53.400they are and i i think that it's going to be a culture war in addition to a political war like
00:49:59.320obviously the immigration thing that has to be taken control of by those in powers i mean i i'm assuming all
00:50:08.040of that i what what i'm saying is that let's assume that the european nations have got their
00:50:17.480together as it were and have recovered some sort of identity for themselves now what that now
00:50:24.440we need to recover a mythos but one that needs to incorporate scientific understanding as it has been
00:50:31.880for you know since the scientific revolution we can't act as if that hasn't happened so that that's
00:50:40.040been my thinking that that's sort of the modus operandi that went into the glorious path it's
00:50:46.760a mythology that's what it means to say that it's a mythology for the modern age yeah you've you've taken
00:50:52.520the classic archetype of a hero and you've really you've basically updated it to be appropriate for this
00:50:59.720era with all the things that we're battling as opposed to in the ancient world because they
00:51:03.800battled different things in that time right yeah exactly i mean so it is sort of a fable i mean i i uh
00:51:12.360i'm real i am reluctant to uh make it an allegory like i i i don't want to say now fall off stands for
00:51:20.920any particular nation in today's world but i i wrote it to be in that sense vague enough to be applicable
00:51:28.440to to whatever uh source of degeneration that you see uh in the world today that is such a bane
00:51:38.760to europe's goals now if nietzsche were alive today and he was seeing this leftist puritanical kind of
00:51:45.560morality police that we see now how do you think he would combat it what would he do what would he what
00:51:51.640would he tell us to do what advice would he have i know it's a difficult first off i i think he would
00:51:58.920be utterly shocked uh yeah if if he lives past the heart attack that he gets yeah right i mean he sees
00:52:07.960right he he actually i think it was an echo homo he said he he had pretty much thrown his hands up into
00:52:13.320the air almost in a defeatist manner and said that there's no more hope except perhaps for russia he said
00:52:19.240so actually lana that might be flattering for you interesting he said there may be still hope for the
00:52:23.880uber mentioned russia um of course that this was um written about 20 years well like 25 years before
00:52:35.080the first great war he probably did not i mean his works did not take off in his lifetime so he he thought
00:52:44.840by and large his message was going unheard but by you know by the time of the first world war
00:52:51.480every uh gi uh german trooper had two books in his pack one was a copy of the lutheran bible and the
00:53:00.680other was a copy of zarathustra ironically um he i don't think he ever would have predicted that
00:53:07.240uh nor that in the era between the great wars that there was in europe
00:53:15.000a pretty a relatively widespread yearning for the overman i mean his idea actually took root for a
00:53:22.440while in the fascist regimes um in spain italy croatia hungary germany obviously there actually
00:53:33.240was it was almost happening and then the uh triumph of sovietism conjoined with uh the the powers of
00:53:44.760liberal capitalism overthrew that and have squelched the overman no one even i mean it it really did it
00:53:52.360just doused those flames and i i guess it may be hubris on my part but i feel like it you know if i
00:54:01.400can leave this earth having reinvigorated that yearning for the overman i feel like i would have
00:54:07.240done something meaningful so that i guess that sort of addresses your question what we can do about it
00:54:14.360um yeah it seems that society and and people it's a death wish because once once you destroy the noble
00:54:23.240or tear down the great where are we heading right it seems like that would be that would be the end
00:54:30.520we'd be heading into dark times into you know chaos and violence and third world standards
00:54:37.880right just a malaise of ignominy and no expression of sublimity anywhere in uh cultural forms
00:54:49.800so that but but but to to answer that question yeah what what can we do about it um i think starting
00:54:57.640with literature starting with language uh seth has treated virtually every idea practically every idea
00:55:07.960that you can think of that's uh prevalent in today's culture and uh countered it with
00:55:16.280uh an inverse instinct um and talathastro being a philosophical character a character whose uh essence
00:55:28.040and constitution is made by philosophical inquiry uh it counters the degenerate instinct uh with arguments and
00:55:43.640passions uh because rationality only goes so far passions come into it as well uh you you sort of have to be
00:55:54.680impassioned towards the ideal of the overman and the sublime world that the the bringing forth of the overman would
00:56:07.080be uh a wagnerian teutonic world if you will so uh that's a star i'm actually encouraged because in in the alt-right movement a lot of us are talking like this you know about becoming great becoming great as possible as you can in your own life right that's the goal to to break through all those uh weaknesses that you have and achieving the the best that you can be i mean that is to me striving for the stars that is the
00:56:35.080striving for the european way right we don't sit around and complain and we don't act like victims we find a way to get it done and we strive to be on the path of the hero right yeah um that there is a nuance though that i would be remiss not to mention at this point though that it it is i mean i i i totally feel what you're saying alana i mean that that what
00:56:59.080you're describing as sort of like the rocky story like getting stronger now you know um i and i i mean wow i i was a stallone fanatic as a child so yeah but uh i can't tell you how many times i watch all the rocky movies i was in boxing myself for years so um
00:57:19.080but this is where my political ideas may differ from many uh those who call themselves of the alt-right um it it it has to go beyond the individual level though it where yes it it's not just about improving you know from you from the individual's birth to death becoming is it it's not a solo mission it has to be a people's goal it has to be i mean i'm
00:57:49.000refraining from using the word collectivist because that sounds socialistic and i i i can assure you i i don't have a marxist bone in my body no i i get it it has to be a tribal thing you know yeah we have to be tribally united like a tribal kind of hive mind to be able to get to the goal here yeah there there does have to be some individual sacrifice in order to attain a super historical achievement um and i and i feel like
00:58:19.000that's why the the label alt-right is a little bit unfortunate in a way because it it's somewhat euphemistic in that it allows people to call themselves that and we've seen that we've seen that happening too just random people picking it up now that are libertarians for instance
00:58:39.940you know you took the word right out of my lips here uh right right i mean i i confuse i i consider these people
00:58:49.300confuse libertarians yeah they well i i don't know why they just don't consider themselves right wing like they're
00:58:58.300leaving the alt part out of the equation i i mean my recommendation well i i actually i don't know if it is my
00:59:06.860recommendation for strategic reasons but logically if that's the way to put it i would just cut to the
00:59:16.120chase and say you're fascist and using that term is politically incorrect enough to screen out
00:59:24.680dunderheads like milo yunopoulos who are okay with calling themselves alt-right but he wouldn't
00:59:35.180uh at all can publicly associate with fascism no it would screen out buffoons like that that's true
00:59:43.960absolutely but i i don't necessarily recommend perhaps i it just as a matter of strategy just
00:59:51.740maki of sheer machiavellian strategy at this point i don't know if i would recommend switching the
00:59:57.740alt-right label to totalitarianism or fascism because it it's it may be a too tender of a stage
01:00:04.960there are lots of people in the alt-right that identify as fascists and the funny thing is that
01:00:09.240the enemy calls us all fascists anyway and when you look at you know there really needs to be and i've
01:00:15.400been looking for someone to address this to do a good show on what fascism actually is a political
01:00:20.760system the social system i haven't been able to find anyone on point who can really discuss this
01:00:27.240but i mean fascism obviously is something that scares the global globalist elite more than anything
01:00:34.340on the planet so therefore we should really be looking into it yeah i mean if if you have any
01:00:41.640positive goals for anything other than just leveling power um i mean that that's going to take the form
01:00:52.180of something that they will call fascism look i mean i've heard people to go back to the secular
01:01:00.660liberal atheist thing again i i've actually heard people say what are we to do about atheists who have
01:01:08.020joined the alt-right movement because they're scary say that that's the only objection i've heard
01:01:14.940if you want to call it that to membership in that community of the alt-right oh well you guys are scary
01:01:22.320that that's the mantra i hear over and over again well from my point of view i take pride in being on the
01:01:27.820scary side that's hilarious i mean what what that i'm supposed to be insulted by that it's not a
01:01:34.140disproof of anything it's not a socratic disproof you're just expressing your decadent values and
01:01:40.640even when you are the majority you actually have the greater power you guys ought to be the scary ones
01:01:48.900but you're calling this minority group a scary one yeah they're really terrified of that yeah you know
01:01:55.280going back to milo he actually thinks that sjw's are fascists look that that you're right that there
01:02:03.260there's a horrible need to clarify what this word fascism means it it has come to mean it's too
01:02:11.100subjective it just means whatever serves as a cause for some sort of ill feeling in somebody yeah that's
01:02:18.100not enough i mean it goes back to the etruscan fascis with the bundle the bundle of sticks gathered
01:02:25.480around an axe head yes which was uh supposed to symbolize um a people uh galvanized around a
01:02:34.760speaker that is a dictator dicere in latin to speak one who speaks the dictator um so a people gathered
01:02:43.560around a speaker a dictator who has a matter of life and death in his hands that's what the axe means
01:02:48.600means he can dole out uh judgments that affect matters of life and death and there's nothing
01:02:56.120more fundamental than that um and so it you know it it has specific political ramifications that
01:03:04.980are just missed out on when you have guys like milo or milo i guess he pronounces his name as just
01:03:11.400whatever is scary or deplorable in society that's ridiculous that has no historical grounding
01:03:18.200whatsoever oh i agree completely and and fascism though i mean it's a it is a newer political
01:03:23.080system and from what i can tell it seems to have arisen out of a out of in a dire time when they
01:03:30.460need they need to be a fist to combat the enemy right yeah i mean it rose up uh pretty much after
01:03:38.380the first world war uh particularly among the italians as a response to what to do to you know the the
01:03:47.300the the the windfall and the the widespread destruction in of europe and the disintegration
01:03:54.340of the old monarchies and houses of nobility three primary schools of thought arose to deal with the
01:04:02.060problem fascism sovietism and liberalism basically and we we know which one lost out in that conflict
01:04:11.440now eric i wanted to ask you a question because uh we had a kind of an interesting exchange over emails
01:04:19.620and we were talking about you know might versus morality and uh what is good and uh you know what
01:04:26.420is just so what what do you think about you know is there such a thing as justice and i'll open that up
01:04:32.900to you seth as well and us like wanting justice um well yeah it depends on the context in which you're
01:04:41.620asking that uh justice has come to mean uh an expression of vengeance to a large extent vengeance
01:04:53.860uh for some injury that that has uh taken place um that that's pretty much what our uh modern court
01:05:04.320system is built around uh the so satisfying the the bloodlust of say someone who's received harm or
01:05:14.500uh honestly the not fulfilling a debt um that you would consider the punishment doled out by uh the justice
01:05:25.920system to be uh the the fulfillment of that debt but justice as far as the having a goal uh it could
01:05:37.120come to mean something slightly different because justice the the word has a similar
01:05:44.080route to justification uh and with a goal what one does within the auspices of having a goal
01:05:53.100and say a society that has a goal uh in the case that we're talking about uh the bringing forth the
01:05:59.800overman uh justification in action will would have to pertain to those deeds which affect the furthering
01:06:12.900of that goal i suppose i'm getting at your an answer to your question here yeah because we were
01:06:18.780talking about acting in vengeance you know i mean that's something that basically the the tribal
01:06:24.060elite are doing right so we don't want to behave like them well in a sense right um i i remember the
01:06:32.600the conversation we had actually it was um are we going to base our future actions on simply trying
01:06:41.020to rectify injuries that that have been done to say our own our kin or even members of our race uh
01:06:50.580you know and are you going to start building up are you going to build your identity about
01:06:55.780around reacting to uh an attack or are you going to set up a goal a task and deal with attacks as
01:07:09.020they come but nevertheless your your identity is not built around or or in reaction to uh what
01:07:18.080your adversary is exactly i i'm saying this mainly because of like the alt-right obsession with the
01:07:25.280jews it it becomes it becomes beyond an obsession really it becomes it can reach the point where to be
01:07:32.020what you are you need that adversary sure yeah i get that well the the goal of the overman is
01:07:37.880complete it's it's indifferent to what whatever judaism is uh now nietzsche does talk about
01:07:47.460christianity and brings up aspects of judaism because it's the most prevalent uh cultural inversion
01:07:56.620uh of his idea but there comes a time to just move past that once once you've uh crystallized what
01:08:06.460what the task is what the goal is so so both of you guys thinking in terms of what we're dealing with
01:08:13.220if you do believe that there is a tribal elite uh actively working against us what do we do
01:08:19.460how do how do how do we move forward i really start with language again and and spreading uh bringing
01:08:29.400people into the the instincts um that in in this case have been expressed in the glorious path
01:08:37.220they're also expressed in nietzsche uh and really rekindling those instincts for the task of the
01:08:46.220overman um seth do you have anything to add to that perhaps to answer a way of answering that yeah
01:08:52.400um it may be a a a bit harsher of a tone than what you're saying i mean i obviously i totally agree
01:09:00.400with you i mean it we need a culture and language as heidegger points out as the backbone of that
01:09:06.880we need to i mean language is in just the most ignominious state it's ever been in partly because
01:09:14.700literacy has been attempted to be universalized but look we we can't avoid war i mean the the
01:09:23.640fascistic state is a warring one we we can't think of war as something avoidable or something foreign to
01:09:33.740the nature of existence or something like that peace i mean peace is a good thing um but when it's
01:09:42.400the side effect of victory so and there there is no victory without war um that that you know
01:09:52.340despite what gandhi may have said i mean we we we do have to wage wars to make this happen i i'd like
01:09:59.400i mean i think ultimately um if we don't graduate into a state of being on the aggressive and not
01:10:10.560merely defending ourselves then it will be over for the european races and the whole teutonic
01:10:17.480and greco-roman legacies um that as hard as it is to believe the modern white liberal is the uh
01:10:28.860inheritor of i don't know if it's going to happen or not i it the the whole warring spirit of
01:10:36.640um the teutonic and celtic races seems to have been so bred out of um through domesticization
01:10:46.500that the european races it it seems like a lost cause but i i'm just saying it seems like a necessary
01:10:53.280condition at the least that wars actually will have to be waged to to resist the the uh elitism that
01:11:02.720that you're mentioning i agree it's not enough to just mount defenses you actually have to be
01:11:09.620active not just reactive um will anyone what will that ever happen i i i don't know but i but you
01:11:20.360know eric's language he was talking about having a goal and that ties in with what i was saying during
01:11:25.440the great wars there was a yearning for the overman i think if we could recover that hellenic
01:11:33.580and teutonic uh love for what's higher and refashion society from the ground up practically
01:11:43.940galvanized around that valuation and then wage wars on its behalf wars whose stake is the
01:11:52.720advent of the overman then then we could be in for a glorious age but as long as we're simply acting
01:12:01.500on the defense i think it'll be just a matter of time before uh celtic and dramatic but the remnants
01:12:11.920of celtic and dramatic tribes are finally obliterated yeah i think you're right it's a sad truth we have to
01:12:17.960be more on the offense rather than the defensive and it's going to take some organization but i do
01:12:23.580feel that fire rising you know it's definitely there it's starting to come together yeah i i don't
01:12:29.220want to sound all pessimistic here i i you know i wrote the glorious it took me four years to write
01:12:34.220this book and i was writing uh that you know being a hermit is sort of a theme in that book
01:12:42.740uh telethaster is described over once you get to chapter seven you'll see what i'm talking about but
01:12:49.800uh he he basically lives on and in a mountain a distant mountain for years by himself that's you
01:12:58.480right there is a little bit of autobiography built into this but um yeah actually i i was uh living for
01:13:11.300weeks at a time without any human contact in kentucky and then in virginia as i wrote this so i i do have
01:13:17.420a bit of firsthand existential experience of nietzsche's hermitage but uh i i wrote this honestly wondering
01:13:26.240who the hell is going to read this book you know it just seems so personal i thought neat let alone god
01:13:35.000is that i thought nietzsche was dead you know i like i thought everything about the ideas that he
01:13:40.940was espousing were just completely wiped off the face of the earth save in uh philosophy 101 courses or
01:13:48.640something like but near the end of its construction i slowly learned of uh this phenomenon of you know
01:13:59.200what's been branded as the alt-right so far at least and i honestly shocked like i i sort of
01:14:05.260couldn't believe that there were other people out there expressing at least on their own way and
01:14:10.900to whatever extent they could values that to a large extent seem to harmonize with what this book is about
01:14:18.240so it's a weird serendipity that i definitely didn't plan for and i'm not a huckster trying to come in
01:14:26.800after the fact and cash in on this no no well we we welcome you to the family we need people we need
01:14:34.740people of all talents yes we do you know a language exactly language is huge so i wanted to ask you
01:14:41.240last question here you know we can't call things by their name anymore right you can't call you can't
01:14:47.540say what is in front of your face anymore according to this leftist totalitarianism you can't notice things
01:14:53.300anymore uh according to this system right now so how do we tackle censorship um do you mean we can't
01:15:02.520because of well society people ice people out you know if they have certain views or call things by
01:15:09.420their name i'm even saying that like race exists or gender gender constructs you know exist right
01:15:16.400well i mean save for having facebook profiles shut down and things like that i i it seems like you
01:15:27.120can do those things it just means you have to have developed a thicker skin to develop you know to to
01:15:33.020withstand the uh sociological uh fallback for doing that yeah i guess it could reach to the it actually
01:15:42.260could reach the point theoretically where anyone who doesn't explicitly represent liberal viewpoints
01:15:52.060won't even have any place at the table under the rubric of freedom of speech um so for for for now
01:16:01.560our friend is freedom of speech even though that itself is a liberal idea which liberals try to pull a
01:16:09.420socratic mover maneuver on fascist for saying well but wait a minute you don't believe in freedom
01:16:14.520of speech but you're making use of it to which i'll to which i say i'll exploit whatever means i can
01:16:20.240as long as you're giving it to me but uh so for now that hasn't happened so as long as you're okay with
01:16:28.840being called a nazi or whatever uh who cares yeah exactly who cares it's a word marching on and have
01:16:37.080have a thicker skin about it we're in the day and age when people care about words like being called
01:16:42.720a racist makes people's whole world and life crumble i mean how weak and pathetic you know
01:16:48.180yeah what can they do to you i mean race exists whether these people have a problem with it or not
01:16:54.420i don't know it just let let it be water shedding off your skin it just and and keep pressing forward
01:17:02.380i think that would go along with you know the glorious path and being confident and strong
01:17:07.840and just basically charging forward and just not giving a damn i mean we need more of those kinds of
01:17:13.380people to set to change the the culture of things to make it socially acceptable to be a certain way
01:17:20.380again and it has to be uncompromising you you have to have a sort of captain's morality about your ship
01:17:27.200you have to be willing to go down with it yeah any last things you guys want to add before we
01:17:31.980round up for this time well eric do you want to explain how people can get the book i'm horrible at
01:17:38.080the the salesmanship of this yeah we we have right now we have the the hardback available on uh
01:17:46.840airstoreworks.com um we'll share that link with you i'm sure you'll be able to find it
01:17:52.500uh on the red ice page as well but it's airstoreworks.com and right now if you if you pick
01:17:59.080up a copy of the hardback you'll be able to get the ebook for free as well some people like to read
01:18:06.060uh the digital copy while they have a hard copy you know for their collection and currently the the
01:18:13.120paperback is in a pre-order status so um and we also have a facebook page for the book
01:18:19.440and we're just getting started putting updates on there as well so um but it's you know we're
01:18:27.040directing everyone to our website to uh to actually get a copy that's right and i encourage everyone to
01:18:32.600pick up a copy it's important that we support each other each other that are doing good work whether
01:18:37.600it's arts or politics or things that they're making it's very important to support our own right guys
01:18:44.380yeah i i can at least uh be confident in saying it will hopefully be a good read as well i mean
01:18:53.360this isn't all just abstract ideology i did try to put together a damn good story on top of it all
01:19:00.620and i agonized over every letter and every phraseology
01:19:03.980well thank you guys let's definitely do this again sometime okay yeah will do thank you very much once
01:19:11.420again thank you for having us i always find this kind of conversation inspiring if you want to
01:19:16.580become the overman i think you must surround yourself by others who want that too those
01:19:20.720relationships can be a catalyst and a motivator the best antidote to our disease society and culture of
01:19:26.780pity is to become the greatest and strive to be the strongest you can be in every facet of your life
01:19:31.920never settle for who or what you are right at this moment but always strive for more never be a
01:19:37.700victim but a hero never ask permission or seek acceptance set new standards and forge a new path
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