Radio 3Fourteen - The Glorious Path_ Master vs. Slave Morality

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00:00:41.400 an interesting talk one that incorporates a fantasy novel with Nietzschean parallels ideas that are

00:00:46.860 very relevant to the alt-right with me is seth cooper author of the glorious path along with

00:00:52.300 publisher illustrator eric yunt seth cooper is a lifelong devotee of fantasy and mythology having

00:00:58.660 earned a philosophy degree in 2001 he lives by himself in the rural northern neck of virginia

00:01:04.160 where he continues to realize the far-reaching series that begins with the glorious path his

00:01:08.860 debut novel and eric yunt received an education at the md institute college of art going on to work in

00:01:14.520 various realms of video production he became increasingly disgruntled with the shallowness

00:01:18.860 of mainstream storytelling and created oer strat works as a platform to reignite sublime ideals

00:01:24.680 we'll focus on the premise of the gods have fled and the dire need for the ubermensch or the overmen

00:01:30.400 seth cooper and eric yunt up next welcome seth cooper thanks for coming to the program yeah no problem

00:01:36.680 thank you very much i i don't exaggerate but when i say i do take this as a high honor to have been

00:01:44.500 invited onto your show especially since i'm somebody you've never met before and whose work you're

00:01:50.040 completely unfamiliar with this will be fun i'm looking forward to and we also have eric yunt

00:01:54.760 thanks for being here thanks for having me so how did you two connect uh we first met through some

00:02:01.960 mutual friends it was about the time that i was uh graduating high school um and a friend i had known

00:02:10.760 in high school uh met seth's younger brother and we all got together we we were having sort of like

00:02:18.260 treks through the woods um and playing dnd we played some video games now and then uh but it was

00:02:26.580 it was a series of common interests that kept us as a group of friends together uh mostly dealing with

00:02:33.840 honestly the central ideology was based around tolkien's works so we would often relate things

00:02:43.480 like experiences say if we're you know just walking through the woods having a campfire talking about

00:02:48.840 how things that we were doing was something similar to what you might find in say the silmarillion or

00:02:57.960 you know it so we just we started envisioning like ideas about worlds uh even that far back which was

00:03:07.800 maybe something like 12 years ago um so and that that was in uh carroll county which is a rural county in

00:03:16.120 uh maryland and uh it was it was preserved from uh at least back then it was a very hilly country

00:03:27.000 preserved from say a large degree of deforestation and such um but yeah it just it was a long-running

00:03:35.880 relationship that we've you know maintained over the years so and then seth of course you're the

00:03:43.720 author of the glorious path here about 600 pages it's uh it's a door stopper uh it's it's full of

00:03:51.240 adventure and old world concepts and we'll get into some of these things but what inspired you to write

00:03:56.440 this book wow um i'm not even sure which angle to address that that question from but

00:04:05.640 i i guess it's sort of a composite of my lifelong interest in i i'll say fantasy but i have a whole

00:04:16.920 thing about that that we'll probably get into later but um because when you say fantasy it sort of denotes a

00:04:23.640 genre that i think has completely degenerated into nonsense so i i the the more precise thing to say

00:04:33.560 here is my interest in tolkien and my interest in tolkien is largely not uh simply the fantastical

00:04:41.400 elements of his works but his anglo-saxon uh expertise and in his love of that world um combined with

00:04:50.840 my background in philosophy um that that's my i i i i guess my academic background you could say

00:05:00.840 my degrees are in philosophy and theology ironically i guess uh but uh i so i i guess the glorious path is

00:05:10.680 the culmination of some guy who has had uh a deep love of teutonic literature rolling through his brain

00:05:19.240 uh whilst at the same time uh whilst at the same time mulling over many philosophical ideas um years

00:05:27.800 worth i i i you know it it's a philosophical education that's a combination of formal education

00:05:35.400 and auto didacticism on my own part uh so i i i don't know how detailed you want me to get

00:05:42.680 autobiographically here but well without giving away any spoilers maybe you can tell us what is the

00:05:49.000 plot of the book the glorious path the fictional plot well we'll get into some of the real world

00:05:54.280 themes in it later on i i okay i i i don't know how much of the backstory i should give on this but

00:06:01.800 basically the the context uh presented in the opening part of the work is uh encapsulated in this

00:06:12.920 idea that the gods have fled um which is borrowed from martin heidegger actually german philosopher of

00:06:21.000 the 30s 40s and 50s and into the 60s as well but even that phrase was supposed to be a reworking of

00:06:28.760 nietzsche's uh proclamation in zarathustra that god is dead and we can talk about that later but uh but

00:06:36.920 but but anyway the the main the main obviously this is fiction i mean the glorious path is fiction

00:06:42.120 but it's a context in which the gods have fled for mysterious reasons and to explain what those

00:06:51.800 reasons are at this juncture would be to give away some substantial spoilers but um anyway the idea is

00:07:00.840 that humanity has gone its own way for centuries uh in the absence of these gods who were the de facto

00:07:12.600 rulers of this world and in the meantime the the various strains of humanity have uh just filtered out 0.89

00:07:23.880 across the continent and being uh shorn of their masters have by and large lapsed into decadence and

00:07:36.840 degeneration and the main character uh is somebody who just i guess you could say existentially is

00:07:47.080 discomfited with that position um yeah telethastro maslow right now is he based on anyone specific

00:07:55.480 or is this supposed to represent an archetype in our modern era well um i'm not i can't remember you

00:08:03.000 you you actually have the arc virgin lana uh and you you will be getting the finished version i assure you

00:08:10.680 uh any day now if you wish but the uh i i can't remember if in the finished version or not it mentions

00:08:18.200 this but telethastro um was named after a tightrope walker who had come into town but so that his father

00:08:26.200 had seen and was amused by so the goofiness of the name is sort of deliberate like i knew the name sounded

00:08:33.080 like a magician or something or you know but uh but that is supposed to be reminiscent of part one of

00:08:39.080 thus spoke zarathustra where there's a tight rope walker and the name talethastro has the same

00:08:44.920 sort of uh syllabic cadence as zarathustra so talethastro is a zarathustra-esque character throughout this tale

00:08:56.760 so that that's the provenance of the name itself um so it has an it has an extrinsic explanation

00:09:05.480 in in terms of its phonetics but it also has an internal story explanation which also ties into

00:09:12.440 zarathustra because of the tightrope walker so the the glorious path is filled with these like

00:09:17.400 triangulated metaphors that um you don't need to be aware of but if you do they're sort of like these

00:09:24.680 easter eggs that the light bulb goes off he's like oh i got it i see what he's up to well you know this

00:09:29.880 is a theme i've come across a lot too you know the gods have fled and of course nietzsche's famous

00:09:34.200 statement the god is dead i mean this is a theme that's really been coming back into the the alt

00:09:40.120 right if you will people have talked about this but both of you guys what does that mean to say

00:09:44.920 the gods have fled applying that in modern day because i think it does apply in your story and

00:09:49.720 of course it applies in our in our modern era so what does that mean to you for me it means okay

00:09:55.800 it's it's it's one thing to say when nietzsche declares god is dead in zarathustra he is what

00:10:04.840 he is not simply saying is that the judeo-christian god does not exist he's not making a metaphysical

00:10:14.120 assertion which is how most people seem to interpret that today like i mean i i even heard richard dawkins

00:10:22.680 presumably you know who he is i mean who doesn't but uh when asked what he thinks about

00:10:30.440 friedrich nietzsche in front of an audience uh dawkins response was well i i don't i don't know why

00:10:37.240 nietzsche just didn't say god doesn't exist why did he have to say god is dead that's an ambiguous

00:10:43.000 statement that that you know which i i was sort of following dawkins up to that that for me that was a

00:10:49.960 sort of turning point uh where i started deviating uh from following dawkins or thinking he had much to

00:10:59.480 say that spoke to me or you know that i had much to derive from what he had to say but anyway um

00:11:08.680 what what dawkins seems to like that sort of thinking that sort of positivistic that logical

00:11:15.720 positivistic type thinking doesn't understand that what what nietzsche was doing was providing

00:11:21.960 a sort of super historical commentary on the state of affairs that culture had especially his

00:11:29.240 european culture nietzsche considered himself european actually over and above being prussian um

00:11:37.720 what what he was saying was that god that belief in god has generally uh been put to the

00:11:45.560 wayside that we are no longer living uh in a christian like that christendom itself is over

00:11:53.800 that you know the the the hold of christianity over medieval europe has at last ended at least among

00:12:00.360 intellectuals or those in power like frederick ii or somebody like that um and so we he saw that as a sign

00:12:11.080 that europe was entering a new age a sort of brave new world if you will in which uh the old moral

00:12:20.760 order was no longer to be adhered to um that's saying a lot more than just god doesn't exist

00:12:29.480 that's that's like that boils down to a point that you might use to uh

00:12:34.840 uh like among the intellectuals who were no longer basing their ideas on god being there that that's

00:12:45.640 just like a a cursory statement you might say that they might say amongst themselves but saying god is

00:12:52.280 dead is like is laying it out as an overall cultural idea that our culture is no longer based

00:13:00.280 based in the idea of uh and and and our human identity is no longer based on an idea of gods or

00:13:09.080 or like a longing for or practices related to gods uh even though up to that point that's what virtually all

00:13:18.600 of humanity like all of human life and history uh had been now didn't nietzsche also have a problem

00:13:27.320 though with the western world's reliance on religion kind of as a moral compass yes certainly i mean he

00:13:34.600 he was i i hope i'm not impressing on you that nietzsche was necessarily lamenting the fact that that god is

00:13:41.480 dead i mean one only has to read antichrist to see that that's not true it is nietzsche's point is that

00:13:49.960 that since christianity it finally no longer has the stranglehold on europe that it had had for

00:14:00.440 millennia we are entering a new era and it remains to be seen what will come out of that era because now

00:14:09.640 it's sort of a a race to uh to power who are going to be the the overlords who get to

00:14:19.800 determine what the the value shall be for the european races and um so much of his writing is founded on

00:14:30.920 that concern um he i i mean i i i don't know how much of this we want to be about nietzsche but um his

00:14:41.240 his his ultimate concern was the superman or walter kaufman translates it as the overman

00:14:52.200 for reasons i sort of agree with because today the superman when you say superman what do most

00:14:58.440 people think of a a goofy uh comic book do-gooder created by two jews in the 1930s yeah that's not at

00:15:06.920 all what nietzsche was talking about it what he had in mind was quite antithetical to that comic book

00:15:12.840 character um so i props to kaufman for translating a deserver man but yeah so nietzsche's basic well

00:15:24.280 i'll say basic point um is that in the absence of a god that nobody believes in

00:15:32.360 uh and by a god he means an all for for nietzsche the critical thing is an all-powerful being

00:15:42.440 not an all-moral being the the critical thing is that there's an all-powerful being

00:15:47.480 and in the absence of a conviction in that being now man is left to his own devices to eke out an

00:15:56.840 existence uh without any surety of such a power and now has a sort of existential burden

00:16:07.240 on his own willing to do something about that and nietzsche gives a name for that he calls it the will

00:16:15.560 to power the the will to power is something that pervades it you know it's sort of like the force in 0.94

00:16:23.640 star wars or something it's uh i don't know scratch that that's probably stupid but it is something 0.68

00:16:31.000 that goes down even to like if you actually read the the book entitled the will to power which he

00:16:38.120 himself didn't publish it was put together by uh frau uh uh forces yeah his sister um who compiled his

00:16:51.160 notes and put it under that title of the will to power which was a book he intended to write but

00:16:58.440 whether it turned out to be the one his sister publishes is debatable but um i mean even in that

00:17:05.560 work he describes the will to power as something that reaches all the way down to the protoplasmic

00:17:12.120 level and all the way up to the galactic level and with human beings just a sort of intermediate

00:17:18.520 expression of the will to power so when you when you look at history and and you look at sociology

00:17:25.720 and anthropology and you see conflict and racial divides and racial struggles that's not to be

00:17:31.800 marveled at that's to be expected because all groups are engaged ineluctably in a historical and

00:17:40.040 super historical will to power this kind of fits with the might is right concept doesn't it i mean

00:17:47.720 isn't it a question of might versus morality i mean today we're really caught up in morality instead of

00:17:52.840 just being mighty and taking what is ours and not feeling guilt about it right yeah he has a whole

00:18:00.200 thing about guilt you know the bad conscience um for for nietzsche morality is identified with might

00:18:08.440 it's not opposed to it i mean he he defines good as what is strong strength is what's good and what's bad

00:18:16.040 is weakness so it's not that nietzsche is he well he does call himself an anti-moralist but i think that

00:18:26.040 was more for rhetorical purposes uh than anything else but um he does have an idea of good and good is

00:18:36.120 whatever is powerful and the absence of whatever is powerful is bad and you know to to tie that back

00:18:45.000 into the glorious path since ultimately that's what we're talking about i guess um it that is that

00:18:52.120 sort of moral rubric is what the prose narrative the like the axiological structure x axiol axiology

00:19:02.200 is just this 10 cent word that means the study of values um the axiological structure of the glorious

00:19:08.760 math is founded on a sort of political and historical conflict between uh the slave morality and the

00:19:19.560 master morality so on the one hand you you have a group of people who represent what you might call

00:19:26.120 the master morality which is good versus bad it along the lines that i just described as is nietzsche

00:19:32.360 understood that versus the wider world which has adopted us something that more emphasizes the slave

00:19:39.400 morality which is good versus evil good and evil in that sense means the inversion of good and bad

00:19:49.000 where good is what the master morality would consider is bad and evil as what the master morality would

00:19:57.800 consider is good which is strength yeah it's interesting sorry to just add that it's true

00:20:04.920 when it comes to when it comes to might and morality it seems like in this day and age there's a shame

00:20:09.880 for being the strong one right and for or for favoring the victorious or propping up the best one now

00:20:16.200 it's the the highest road when you can prop up the weakest it's like the most virtuous thing in the world

00:20:22.120 isn't it yeah i i'm you know i'm not of the millennial generation as you can probably see by the phrase

00:20:29.400 already coming in here but it it i mean even in the 70s and 80s it was unheard of to boast of being the

00:20:38.280 greatest victim of all i mean that that's just astonishing to me i'm not that plugged into the whole

00:20:43.720 internet realm but to what extent i have seen of it it's abhorrent like i just can't believe that

00:20:50.600 that people are seem to be engaged in a competition as to outdo one another as to who's the greatest

00:20:56.280 victim i it i mean that this uh celebration of weakness as you're putting it lana well as you

00:21:07.320 are describing to me the ultimate logic of that is nihilism or as nietzsche says a death wishing

00:21:15.560 because there are no options about it i mean either you're ascending in strength or you are

00:21:24.600 diminishing towards weakness and final eradication that that's the spectrum that all life lives on

00:21:32.280 whether you like it or not and the culture we seem to be living in is one that prides itself

00:21:39.320 on hastening towards obliteration at least in the west and at least among the descendants of 1.00

00:21:48.680 i'll say the stronger our stronger teutonic ancestors who would not have understood

00:21:55.480 the the current malaise that we're in presently it would have been unthinkable no i mean what do you

00:22:00.920 guys both think is the main source of uh european people's tendency in today in age to feel guilt and

00:22:08.360 shame like they do where do you guys think that that comes from it's definitely a fallout from

00:22:13.880 christianity um but christianity doesn't have the same hold especially over the uh the the european

00:22:25.560 as it used to at least not in the the religious supernatural sense to a large extent it would seem

00:22:32.600 that um and this is an experience that uh i've seen and that seth has seen along with me in what was

00:22:42.600 called the new atheist movement i'm not sure if that's really a term anymore it's not really about

00:22:48.920 that anymore but um the the sudden departure from following the christian religion uh and and a slew of

00:23:03.960 people becoming atheists basically uh what they were doing is they were throwing out belief in the god

00:23:10.280 uh throwing out supernatural beliefs basically um which comports with what seth and i are doing here

00:23:20.040 because there's not supposed to be anything supernatural in uh the glorious path

00:23:26.440 um they they threw out supernaturalism and god and sublimity basically but kept the morality

00:23:34.200 so in in a sense like the the uh the current the modern atheist the sort of liberal uh secular humanist

00:23:46.600 if you will um is is still a christian it like to to my eyes really um they they hold on to that

00:23:58.600 morality and that guilt it's just that to them it's not being commanded or spurred by a god and uh

00:24:07.880 i'm sure seth can tell you he's been privy to uh having listened to debates and such uh arguments that

00:24:15.400 secular humanists are now trying to come up with to create a a rational basis for their morality a basis

00:24:25.160 that's either that's built sort of through the combination of studying nature and what they

00:24:31.400 consider to be rationality um such as with the the work by sam harris titled good without god

00:24:39.880 um he's looking for a way to maintain the the christian interpretation of good and bad right and wrong

00:24:48.360 without having the religion there which includes you know the the the rituals and the hierarchy etc

00:24:58.200 um so seth i'm not sure if you have a tie in there as far as like uh yeah well the rationality

00:25:06.840 or secular humanism because i know uh glorious path really attacks that right yeah i i think at that

00:25:13.640 point my nietzschean influence probably shines the most uh because uh because it if there was one

00:25:22.360 thing that nietzsche was consistent on it was attacking the supposed necessary uh connection between

00:25:29.960 morality and uh an emancipation from god or something like that i mean one of nietzsche's points is that

00:25:38.120 socialism which centers you know or founds itself on sort of protecting the oppressed supposedly and

00:25:47.480 you know instilling revenge in those who are oppressed against those who wield power um

00:25:56.440 shares the same provenance with christianity and there's obvious historical evidence of this i mean

00:26:02.760 the early church was basically communistical in structure where people were sharing property

00:26:09.240 um as they hid from roman authorities lest they be persecuted um so it's not to be marveled at that

00:26:18.200 um as the 19th century rolled on and uh jettisoned the metaphysical beliefs of christianity it

00:26:25.960 nonetheless inherited the slave that like the the slavish moral code uh of christianity and 0.55

00:26:36.280 we have to remember too that when nietzsche was attacking christianity he was trying to point out an

00:26:43.400 irony that his fellow prussians while disdaining jews adopted by and large lutheran christianity 0.98

00:26:54.440 and nietzsche's point was well wait a minute uh it's pretty obvious that christianity itself is an 0.82

00:27:03.160 extension of judaism so the in multiple places in echo homo and antichrist in the um the gay science 0.96

00:27:13.160 nietzsche identifies the two great corruptors of the european races as first off christianity and

00:27:20.600 second place alcoholism and third place syphilis but which he may have been a victim of himself who

00:27:27.560 knows but um but so the the basic point it's sort of a socratic maneuver on his part to say look if you

00:27:36.360 guys are opposed to the anti or if you're opposed to the semitic influences in germany you ought also to

00:27:46.280 be opposed to christianity which is the plot per jews par excellence to get judaism into the 1.00

00:27:55.880 souls and minds of europeans yeah we're living in cultural judaism now we really are and uh yeah

00:28:02.440 kind of reminds me of also tom sunik's work i know he's picked up from this where he basically talks

00:28:06.920 about the downfall of the west has been abrahamic religions and monotheistic thinking and forsaking 0.72

00:28:14.280 our our pagan polytheistic ways that if we were to return to that basically our european identity

00:28:20.920 would be restored if we return to the old ways before christ right nature calls for what he called

00:28:29.880 the the new barbarians to emerge and but nature's interest was also in the greco-roman world 0.73

00:28:37.320 uh he was a philologist and specialized in ancient athenian culture and health uh hellenic culture

00:28:45.080 um so he he was interested in a sort of renaissance type union of the greco-roman cultures

00:28:56.520 of the south and the teutonic cultures of the north um and in the glorious path i try to

00:29:04.040 furnish um a narrative a story a fictional story that expresses that union and that that's not only

00:29:15.800 that that wasn't the simplest thing to do because it we we've only but uh scarcely seen such hints of

00:29:22.440 that ever uh uh i i guess sort of partly in the italian renaissance perhaps but uh but anyway the the

00:29:32.040 glorious path is somewhat an experiment in trying to envision perhaps for the first time what that

00:29:37.720 may look like in the peoples of the morilani that that's the uh the glorious path is book one of

00:29:46.120 what's meant to be a five book series and it's kind of it's a quasi-ancient world right what do you

00:29:52.680 think was was better about ancient times in europe obviously you like it based on what you've written in

00:29:59.240 your book yeah um well for one thing um there was a clear order of rank i i know this may not

00:30:08.600 sit well with some people perhaps but um the the glorious path doesn't exactly celebrate egalitarianism

00:30:17.320 i mean it it it it does find merit in an order of rank a just and fair order of rank but but you know

00:30:27.320 one that does acknowledge merit and superiority where it exists i think you see look we we tend

00:30:37.240 to live in a world as one only uh needs to look at the education system to see this that puts the

00:30:44.520 lowest first at the expense of the more advanced students that the the higher the more intelligent

00:30:51.640 students are held back for the sake of yeah it's all about the then it becomes the lowest common

00:30:56.200 denominator right yeah well what what what does that mean in the long run i mean what what what are we

00:31:03.400 saying our fundamental values are when we do that then i mean shouldn't we be celebrating the greatest

00:31:10.840 specimens we have the the highest expressions of merit and fostering those i mean like i mean what what

00:31:18.440 why is everything subordinated to what happens to be the most oppressed or the lowliest or you know

00:31:25.720 i and that's why the morality of pity is such a bane on modern society pity you know to go back to eric's

00:31:33.640 point that he was talking about the secular humanists to tie see all all this is kind of coherent even if

00:31:39.480 it seems like we're rambling um to to be convinced that there isn't scientific evidence for god and by

00:31:47.400 the way when most people say god they mean some sort of submitted god you know when when on the street

00:31:53.560 somebody or the internet says that they're an atheist they probably aren't talking about a disbelief in

00:32:01.400 odin or wotan or somebody yeah they generally mean a disbelief in yahweh or some version of it um i i was

00:32:10.360 following that crowd for a while um sort of just out of a philosophical interest um but what has

00:32:18.440 happened is that that crowd has liberalized the tremendous it's it's it's it's lapsed into a morass of

00:32:29.160 just liberal nihilism to such a disgusting degree i i can barely even watch any internet video or read any

00:32:38.520 book written by any of these guys or anything um i i i do have a a brief anecdote about that if

00:32:45.320 if i can share it i'm not sure how interesting it is or not but eric and i have actually attended

00:32:50.840 both reason rallies if you know what they are no i don't they uh are these like secular they're like

00:32:58.520 the woodstocks of the secular liberal atheists good times the first one was in 2012 and both took place

00:33:11.800 in dc and the uh we we went there sort of just as um purveyors and tourists if you will just to see

00:33:21.800 what it was like um at the time i i might add like part of the context of that

00:33:28.600 was at the time i we both grew up catholic i was still catholic like sort of on the fence about

00:33:35.880 being catholic at the time that's when i was uh questioning the belief uh mostly the supernatural

00:33:43.640 beliefs and so that's that's what sparked my interest in some of the thinkers who were in this

00:33:50.040 uh new atheist movement and i i already knew seth's philosophical background and so we kind of

00:33:58.760 coalesced around around that event and decided to attend the first reason rally um at that point i

00:34:06.520 i basically had a uh jettisoned any belief in anything supernatural essentially so that's sort of

00:34:13.080 the context that we started with and uh of course the the 2016 reason rally is coincided with finishing

00:34:22.280 up the publishing of this of seth's book the glorious path so that's sort of how the reason rally ties into

00:34:28.840 this uh but says you can continue with your uh your anecdote yeah well actually that's a good point

00:34:36.760 what eric brought up because after the experience of the first reason rally we just saw a bunch of

00:34:41.720 whiners basically who were like complaining about how religious people are domineering in society and

00:34:50.600 i don't know they they had this victim complex that would you just turn my stomach and what what that

00:34:57.880 did was raise the question for eric and me well what are we about then you know i mean okay are we

00:35:04.920 just going to be a crowd of nihilists that say oh nothing matters there's no god oh it's so sad and

00:35:11.960 let's just wait around and die or something like that so or just or just turn to to like

00:35:18.040 like libertine hedonism and not be about anything and and make as your base like your your primary value

00:35:26.440 is uh setting up a culture where everyone just sates all the pleasures that they

00:35:33.640 uh might at the drop of a hat uh be inclined towards but go no farther than that have no concern for

00:35:44.280 say discretion or aesthetics or how uh one is living one's passion aside from that it does not interfere

00:35:54.040 with anyone else's manner of uh living living out his desires so it basically kind of boiling down

00:36:04.680 into a utilitarian uh morality minimizing pain as much as possible and mass maximizing pleasure as much

00:36:13.320 as possible for as many people as possible well that's not really being in um in touch with nature

00:36:19.720 is it i mean you have a whole segment in the end you know to question modern truths and you write

00:36:24.840 something about you know what does it mean to love nature and and it also means embracing the pleasure

00:36:29.960 pleasure and the suffering right and the life and the death it seems like yeah a lot of liberals they

00:36:35.800 run from nature actually egalitarianism is anti-nature that it's like it's become a religion egalitarianism

00:36:42.440 that's it's a fantasy yeah it um i i would say it's it's there's a lot of attempt in in the culture

00:36:53.000 at large as it's as it's panned out in the past even the past couple decades of trying to live against nature

00:37:03.080 where uh you you're trying so hard to uh avoid suffering so much that

00:37:12.440 you're building something that's say uh top heavy considering for instance like the the

00:37:19.320 popular the way the population has exploded but being ignorant to that going on indefinitely

00:37:26.280 um not that's kind of a whole tangent that you don't necessarily have to get into um

00:37:32.200 i i think we we also dropped off at one of seth's points bringing up the reason rally well yeah i guess

00:37:38.680 right that that was like heading up towards an anecdote i guess i'll

00:37:42.600 complete that but we we went to the second reason rally which was in june of 2016 i had we we had a

00:37:52.040 booth set up where we were peddling that the glorious path if you will and um it was at an after party

00:38:01.000 uh for the reason rally you know filled with a bunch of half inebriated liberals um selling

00:38:10.440 selling books with quite different themes and uh i actually sold a copy of the book to

00:38:17.400 dan barker i i don't know if you know who he is or not it's familiar but i can't remember is he a singer

00:38:23.800 no he's the co-founder of the freedom from religion foundation but located in madison wisconsin so

00:38:29.800 he's like this watchdog uh he's got a team of lawyers that take complaints from people who feel

00:38:38.360 that there's been a state religion uh violation so he's a pretty big deal i mean you know uh but he he

00:38:47.960 came up to me sort of tepidly seeing the banner we we you know that we we had the banner hanging

00:38:54.520 behind us that said the god the gods have fled one man finally does something about it sort of a 0.81

00:38:59.560 catchphrase and uh this was this took you know at least half half a testicle to hang up sort of in

00:39:11.080 the lines then of of these atheists to promulgate that sort of yeah most of the people in this crowd

00:39:17.080 were um not just not only do they not believe in gods but the very idea of a god even if it were

00:39:27.640 say something plausible uh naturalistically they're opposed to so that that's sort of what we were

00:39:35.240 walking into declaring an idea about gods that uh was it what was not meant to be supernatural

00:39:45.080 which so that that should not upset their sensibilities as far as like what they think

00:39:52.040 can be true but they were still uncomfortable with it and you know there's the question of why but

00:39:59.480 nevertheless that's that was the context that you know that we were walking into that seth's

00:40:05.480 anecdote where seth's anecdote picks up now i would think too in a crowd like that that they would

00:40:12.360 see this book if they were to read it and hear about you know return of the ubermensch that they

00:40:16.680 would say oh well this is quite fascist and racist right you want europeans to become great again right 0.87

00:40:21.880 and even saying that is like you're a fascist nazi right we we were pretty sure we heard this uh pink 0.90

00:40:28.600 haired liberal uh mutter under her breath uh that that we're scary right-wingers i i i had never even 0.60

00:40:36.120 that there was nothing about our table that proclaimed our political uh stature at all but

00:40:44.360 she somehow inferred that but um but but dan barker came up to the table uh sort of cautiously and said

00:40:52.120 now i will buy a copy but please assure me first whether this is free thinking in in spirit and um

00:41:00.680 as a sort of inside joke i guess i said oh yes but it's very free thinking which was an echo of uh

00:41:08.440 in the gay science nietzsche calls uh himself like what what he's about is a very free spirit as opposed

00:41:15.880 to the sort of mediocre free spirits of socialists but anyway that that i guess nobody under he certainly

00:41:24.760 didn't get that joke but um he did buy a copy and i i i've been waiting with bated breath to see what

00:41:31.880 sort of response that this book will elicit from him uh i guess even bad publicity is good publicity

00:41:42.440 in this context but but the worst thing he can do is ignore it but i mean this might be a cheesy

00:41:49.080 question but you know how do we how do we set ourselves on to the glorious path or become the

00:41:55.960 ubermensch is that something that you can teach people or is that something that they need to

00:41:59.720 find on their own i mean this is this is important yeah you i i think you'll enjoy part two of the book

00:42:06.200 lana if you ever do have the time and i say that unironically like i totally understand how busy you

00:42:11.960 are i i don't i don't even know if i if i were in your position whether whether i would ever have

00:42:16.600 bothered with a guy like me you know reading any of his book but so thank you for that from the outset

00:42:24.600 but if you do get that far into the book you you i at least in a fictional context uh tried to relate

00:42:35.880 the answer to that very question you asked what talathastro um is sort of haranguing a crowd if you will

00:42:44.280 it's the the first time he's made a public appearance of that sword and he is laying forth what

00:42:51.320 for him um is the path for rebuilding uh uh what would become the gods or the ubermensch as you mentioned

00:43:01.560 um and he is met with some resistance and some sort of socratic questioning and uh he he

00:43:12.840 deals with that i i guess i'll leave it to readers whether he deals with it satisfactorily or not

00:43:18.440 but um i guess i won't shy away from at least a sort of abstract spoiler

00:43:30.600 at least just for the sake of maybe priming the pump of uh attracting interest in the book among

00:43:37.160 those who may attach themselves to what's called the alt-right crowd or not who aren't

00:43:43.800 remiss to this idea but it does involve a eugenics theme which you may have picked up on already

00:43:52.280 in chapter two didn't scare me away definitely didn't scare me away

00:43:57.960 but i i deal that the whole issue of eugenics isn't a whimsical thing for me i i mean definitely

00:44:06.120 nietzsche hints at it i mean hit the last part of the will to power the the entire subsection

00:44:12.680 is entitled breeding and discipline um and it goes on at length about what that may mean

00:44:19.160 um but you know like i said my background is in philosophy and my what one like you know earlier

00:44:27.160 in this interview when you asked me what the glorious path is about one way of answering that question

00:44:32.840 is this philosophical argumentative side of it and what i had done was i i as with nietzsche i've

00:44:44.440 always been fascinated with ethical questions actually like what they mean and what what sorts of

00:44:49.880 judgments do we employ when we decide yes we can go through with this course of action or no we must

00:44:56.360 forbid this course of action um but regarding eugenics what i had done was i

00:45:04.040 looked up i researched what the best objections to eugenics in in the abstract were and i found them

00:45:14.040 wanting and and and so what what i did was i created of a fictional circumstance if you will embedded in

00:45:23.640 an epic narrative mythos that furnishes defeaters for for the liberal obfuscations to eugenics i i into

00:45:35.400 this plot i posit circumstances that defeat these arguments like so what in other words what would

00:45:45.080 somebody who opposes eugenics if they were living in this fictional context what would their best arguments

00:45:50.920 be now um i mean you haven't got to the point but in the book but when you get to the point where

00:45:59.320 the gate to the paladoc is introduced and you uh and the morilani as a people as a as a race uh are interpolated

00:46:12.600 into the plot that's when these sort of fictional uh defeaters to the best objections to eugenics that i

00:46:23.560 could find are introduced um do you want to share what one of those is

00:46:31.400 i get to hear a good reason against it it well it always comes down to pity mongering yeah i mean

00:46:38.280 that's always the thing i mean that that that is what that's the god of today if we want to cut to

00:46:43.720 the chase we i mean we can say well no god isn't that because god is pithy i mean that's what is the

00:46:49.560 driving criterion for almost all policy making today yeah all of society has to stop for the

00:46:57.240 guy in the wheelchair now you know i mean it's the truth i i mean and you know from a noble perspective

00:47:04.760 you know that nature talks about nobility of the noblesse with our society like what marxism has

00:47:11.320 done is is that it's its highest ideal is to level power and to make everybody to it it try it you

00:47:20.840 know the the the famous marxist slogan is to afflict the oppress and to oppress the afflicted 0.87

00:47:28.040 well think about that for a second that that's non-dynamic it was it was uh i think it was uh

00:47:33.320 to to to afflict the comforted and right that's what it was yeah yeah right to afflict the comforted

00:47:40.360 and to comfort the afflicted yeah and to that and to marxist the bad guy is the great ones the

00:47:46.200 ones that have made it the mighty ones the beautiful ones the intelligent ones they're all about tearing

00:47:52.360 that down yeah and that that is a common theme once you pinpoint that pattern it makes sense of

00:48:02.120 almost everything else you see unfolding around us today because you you see that that is the driving

00:48:07.800 instinct it's a it's a decadent instinct that informs all the decision making that we see going on around

00:48:16.440 us and it it passes for common sense it so i mean i i guess the glorious path is sort of a t a cheeky

00:48:25.800 project because it is objecting to a criterion that has been so deeply embedded unfortunately even in

00:48:37.800 european races that it seems like reason itself you know and that's the point that eric was bringing

00:48:45.960 up about the reason rally and all these secular humanists they pretend that their slave morality

00:48:52.840 is the rational response to a godless world so how do we break that because that is really just

00:49:01.720 infected all of our european nations how do we break this that that is the question yeah god of pity

00:49:09.000 you know well i'm doing what i can i think i mean i really do think that reading the glorious path

00:49:16.120 is a way to start breaking it yeah i think it's a culture war and we need a mythos we we pretty much

00:49:24.840 lack that i mean that you know the best we can do is look back on the pagan times and sort of surmise

00:49:31.560 what what their societies were like and um sort of pantomime what what those guys were doing but

00:49:39.560 um i think we need rather than simply going back and trying to recover some former like trying to

00:49:47.320 reboot the system back 1400 years or something like that i think we need to move ahead with things as

00:49:53.400 they are and i i think that it's going to be a culture war in addition to a political war like

00:49:59.320 obviously the immigration thing that has to be taken control of by those in powers i mean i i'm assuming all 0.98

00:50:08.040 of that i what what i'm saying is that let's assume that the european nations have got their

00:50:17.480 together as it were and have recovered some sort of identity for themselves now what that now

00:50:24.440 we need to recover a mythos but one that needs to incorporate scientific understanding as it has been

00:50:31.880 for you know since the scientific revolution we can't act as if that hasn't happened so that that's

00:50:40.040 been my thinking that that's sort of the modus operandi that went into the glorious path it's

00:50:46.760 a mythology that's what it means to say that it's a mythology for the modern age yeah you've you've taken

00:50:52.520 the classic archetype of a hero and you've really you've basically updated it to be appropriate for this

00:50:59.720 era with all the things that we're battling as opposed to in the ancient world because they 0.81

00:51:03.800 battled different things in that time right yeah exactly i mean so it is sort of a fable i mean i i uh

00:51:12.360 i'm real i am reluctant to uh make it an allegory like i i i don't want to say now fall off stands for

00:51:20.920 any particular nation in today's world but i i wrote it to be in that sense vague enough to be applicable

00:51:28.440 to to whatever uh source of degeneration that you see uh in the world today that is such a bane

00:51:38.760 to europe's goals now if nietzsche were alive today and he was seeing this leftist puritanical kind of

00:51:45.560 morality police that we see now how do you think he would combat it what would he do what would he what

00:51:51.640 would he tell us to do what advice would he have i know it's a difficult first off i i think he would

00:51:58.920 be utterly shocked uh yeah if if he lives past the heart attack that he gets yeah right i mean he sees

00:52:07.960 right he he actually i think it was an echo homo he said he he had pretty much thrown his hands up into 0.98

00:52:13.320 the air almost in a defeatist manner and said that there's no more hope except perhaps for russia he said

00:52:19.240 so actually lana that might be flattering for you interesting he said there may be still hope for the

00:52:23.880 uber mentioned russia um of course that this was um written about 20 years well like 25 years before

00:52:35.080 the first great war he probably did not i mean his works did not take off in his lifetime so he he thought

00:52:44.840 by and large his message was going unheard but by you know by the time of the first world war

00:52:51.480 every uh gi uh german trooper had two books in his pack one was a copy of the lutheran bible and the

00:53:00.680 other was a copy of zarathustra ironically um he i don't think he ever would have predicted that

00:53:07.240 uh nor that in the era between the great wars that there was in europe

00:53:15.000 a pretty a relatively widespread yearning for the overman i mean his idea actually took root for a

00:53:22.440 while in the fascist regimes um in spain italy croatia hungary germany obviously there actually

00:53:33.240 was it was almost happening and then the uh triumph of sovietism conjoined with uh the the powers of

00:53:44.760 liberal capitalism overthrew that and have squelched the overman no one even i mean it it really did it

00:53:52.360 just doused those flames and i i guess it may be hubris on my part but i feel like it you know if i

00:54:01.400 can leave this earth having reinvigorated that yearning for the overman i feel like i would have

00:54:07.240 done something meaningful so that i guess that sort of addresses your question what we can do about it

00:54:14.360 um yeah it seems that society and and people it's a death wish because once once you destroy the noble

00:54:23.240 or tear down the great where are we heading right it seems like that would be that would be the end

00:54:30.520 we'd be heading into dark times into you know chaos and violence and third world standards

00:54:37.880 right just a malaise of ignominy and no expression of sublimity anywhere in uh cultural forms

00:54:49.800 so that but but but to to answer that question yeah what what can we do about it um i think starting

00:54:57.640 with literature starting with language uh seth has treated virtually every idea practically every idea

00:55:07.960 that you can think of that's uh prevalent in today's culture and uh countered it with

00:55:16.280 uh an inverse instinct um and talathastro being a philosophical character a character whose uh essence

00:55:28.040 and constitution is made by philosophical inquiry uh it counters the degenerate instinct uh with arguments and

00:55:43.640 passions uh because rationality only goes so far passions come into it as well uh you you sort of have to be

00:55:54.680 impassioned towards the ideal of the overman and the sublime world that the the bringing forth of the overman would

00:56:07.080 be uh a wagnerian teutonic world if you will so uh that's a star i'm actually encouraged because in in the alt-right movement a lot of us are talking like this you know about becoming great becoming great as possible as you can in your own life right that's the goal to to break through all those uh weaknesses that you have and achieving the the best that you can be i mean that is to me striving for the stars that is the

00:56:35.080 striving for the european way right we don't sit around and complain and we don't act like victims we find a way to get it done and we strive to be on the path of the hero right yeah um that there is a nuance though that i would be remiss not to mention at this point though that it it is i mean i i i totally feel what you're saying alana i mean that that what

00:56:59.080 you're describing as sort of like the rocky story like getting stronger now you know um i and i i mean wow i i was a stallone fanatic as a child so yeah but uh i can't tell you how many times i watch all the rocky movies i was in boxing myself for years so um

00:57:19.080 but this is where my political ideas may differ from many uh those who call themselves of the alt-right um it it it has to go beyond the individual level though it where yes it it's not just about improving you know from you from the individual's birth to death becoming is it it's not a solo mission it has to be a people's goal it has to be i mean i'm

00:57:49.000 refraining from using the word collectivist because that sounds socialistic and i i i can assure you i i don't have a marxist bone in my body no i i get it it has to be a tribal thing you know yeah we have to be tribally united like a tribal kind of hive mind to be able to get to the goal here yeah there there does have to be some individual sacrifice in order to attain a super historical achievement um and i and i feel like

00:58:19.000 that's why the the label alt-right is a little bit unfortunate in a way because it it's somewhat euphemistic in that it allows people to call themselves that and we've seen that we've seen that happening too just random people picking it up now that are libertarians for instance

00:58:39.940 you know you took the word right out of my lips here uh right right i mean i i confuse i i consider these people

00:58:49.300 confuse libertarians yeah they well i i don't know why they just don't consider themselves right wing like they're

00:58:58.300 leaving the alt part out of the equation i i mean my recommendation well i i actually i don't know if it is my

00:59:06.860 recommendation for strategic reasons but logically if that's the way to put it i would just cut to the

00:59:16.120 chase and say you're fascist and using that term is politically incorrect enough to screen out 0.61

00:59:24.680 dunderheads like milo yunopoulos who are okay with calling themselves alt-right but he wouldn't 0.98

00:59:35.180 uh at all can publicly associate with fascism no it would screen out buffoons like that that's true 1.00

00:59:43.960 absolutely but i i don't necessarily recommend perhaps i it just as a matter of strategy just

00:59:51.740 maki of sheer machiavellian strategy at this point i don't know if i would recommend switching the

00:59:57.740 alt-right label to totalitarianism or fascism because it it's it may be a too tender of a stage

01:00:04.960 there are lots of people in the alt-right that identify as fascists and the funny thing is that

01:00:09.240 the enemy calls us all fascists anyway and when you look at you know there really needs to be and i've 0.56

01:00:15.400 been looking for someone to address this to do a good show on what fascism actually is a political

01:00:20.760 system the social system i haven't been able to find anyone on point who can really discuss this

01:00:27.240 but i mean fascism obviously is something that scares the global globalist elite more than anything

01:00:34.340 on the planet so therefore we should really be looking into it yeah i mean if if you have any

01:00:41.640 positive goals for anything other than just leveling power um i mean that that's going to take the form

01:00:52.180 of something that they will call fascism look i mean i've heard people to go back to the secular

01:01:00.660 liberal atheist thing again i i've actually heard people say what are we to do about atheists who have

01:01:08.020 joined the alt-right movement because they're scary say that that's the only objection i've heard 0.84

01:01:14.940 if you want to call it that to membership in that community of the alt-right oh well you guys are scary

01:01:22.320 that that's the mantra i hear over and over again well from my point of view i take pride in being on the

01:01:27.820 scary side that's hilarious i mean what what that i'm supposed to be insulted by that it's not a

01:01:34.140 disproof of anything it's not a socratic disproof you're just expressing your decadent values and

01:01:40.640 even when you are the majority you actually have the greater power you guys ought to be the scary ones

01:01:48.900 but you're calling this minority group a scary one yeah they're really terrified of that yeah you know

01:01:55.280 going back to milo he actually thinks that sjw's are fascists look that that you're right that there 1.00

01:02:03.260 there's a horrible need to clarify what this word fascism means it it has come to mean it's too

01:02:11.100 subjective it just means whatever serves as a cause for some sort of ill feeling in somebody yeah that's

01:02:18.100 not enough i mean it goes back to the etruscan fascis with the bundle the bundle of sticks gathered

01:02:25.480 around an axe head yes which was uh supposed to symbolize um a people uh galvanized around a

01:02:34.760 speaker that is a dictator dicere in latin to speak one who speaks the dictator um so a people gathered

01:02:43.560 around a speaker a dictator who has a matter of life and death in his hands that's what the axe means

01:02:48.600 means he can dole out uh judgments that affect matters of life and death and there's nothing

01:02:56.120 more fundamental than that um and so it you know it it has specific political ramifications that

01:03:04.980 are just missed out on when you have guys like milo or milo i guess he pronounces his name as just 0.93

01:03:11.400 whatever is scary or deplorable in society that's ridiculous that has no historical grounding

01:03:18.200 whatsoever oh i agree completely and and fascism though i mean it's a it is a newer political

01:03:23.080 system and from what i can tell it seems to have arisen out of a out of in a dire time when they

01:03:30.460 need they need to be a fist to combat the enemy right yeah i mean it rose up uh pretty much after

01:03:38.380 the first world war uh particularly among the italians as a response to what to do to you know the the

01:03:47.300 the the the windfall and the the widespread destruction in of europe and the disintegration

01:03:54.340 of the old monarchies and houses of nobility three primary schools of thought arose to deal with the

01:04:02.060 problem fascism sovietism and liberalism basically and we we know which one lost out in that conflict

01:04:11.440 now eric i wanted to ask you a question because uh we had a kind of an interesting exchange over emails

01:04:19.620 and we were talking about you know might versus morality and uh what is good and uh you know what

01:04:26.420 is just so what what do you think about you know is there such a thing as justice and i'll open that up

01:04:32.900 to you seth as well and us like wanting justice um well yeah it depends on the context in which you're

01:04:41.620 asking that uh justice has come to mean uh an expression of vengeance to a large extent vengeance

01:04:53.860 uh for some injury that that has uh taken place um that that's pretty much what our uh modern court

01:05:04.320 system is built around uh the so satisfying the the bloodlust of say someone who's received harm or

01:05:14.500 uh honestly the not fulfilling a debt um that you would consider the punishment doled out by uh the justice

01:05:25.920 system to be uh the the fulfillment of that debt but justice as far as the having a goal uh it could

01:05:37.120 come to mean something slightly different because justice the the word has a similar

01:05:44.080 route to justification uh and with a goal what one does within the auspices of having a goal

01:05:53.100 and say a society that has a goal uh in the case that we're talking about uh the bringing forth the

01:05:59.800 overman uh justification in action will would have to pertain to those deeds which affect the furthering

01:06:12.900 of that goal i suppose i'm getting at your an answer to your question here yeah because we were

01:06:18.780 talking about acting in vengeance you know i mean that's something that basically the the tribal

01:06:24.060 elite are doing right so we don't want to behave like them well in a sense right um i i remember the

01:06:32.600 the conversation we had actually it was um are we going to base our future actions on simply trying

01:06:41.020 to rectify injuries that that have been done to say our own our kin or even members of our race uh

01:06:50.580 you know and are you going to start building up are you going to build your identity about

01:06:55.780 around reacting to uh an attack or are you going to set up a goal a task and deal with attacks as

01:07:09.020 they come but nevertheless your your identity is not built around or or in reaction to uh what

01:07:18.080 your adversary is exactly i i'm saying this mainly because of like the alt-right obsession with the

01:07:25.280 jews it it becomes it becomes beyond an obsession really it becomes it can reach the point where to be

01:07:32.020 what you are you need that adversary sure yeah i get that well the the goal of the overman is

01:07:37.880 complete it's it's indifferent to what whatever judaism is uh now nietzsche does talk about

01:07:47.460 christianity and brings up aspects of judaism because it's the most prevalent uh cultural inversion

01:07:56.620 uh of his idea but there comes a time to just move past that once once you've uh crystallized what

01:08:06.460 what the task is what the goal is so so both of you guys thinking in terms of what we're dealing with

01:08:13.220 if you do believe that there is a tribal elite uh actively working against us what do we do

01:08:19.460 how do how do how do we move forward i really start with language again and and spreading uh bringing

01:08:29.400 people into the the instincts um that in in this case have been expressed in the glorious path

01:08:37.220 they're also expressed in nietzsche uh and really rekindling those instincts for the task of the

01:08:46.220 overman um seth do you have anything to add to that perhaps to answer a way of answering that yeah

01:08:52.400 um it may be a a a bit harsher of a tone than what you're saying i mean i obviously i totally agree

01:09:00.400 with you i mean it we need a culture and language as heidegger points out as the backbone of that

01:09:06.880 we need to i mean language is in just the most ignominious state it's ever been in partly because

01:09:14.700 literacy has been attempted to be universalized but look we we can't avoid war i mean the the

01:09:23.640 fascistic state is a warring one we we can't think of war as something avoidable or something foreign to

01:09:33.740 the nature of existence or something like that peace i mean peace is a good thing um but when it's

01:09:42.400 the side effect of victory so and there there is no victory without war um that that you know

01:09:52.340 despite what gandhi may have said i mean we we we do have to wage wars to make this happen i i'd like

01:09:59.400 i mean i think ultimately um if we don't graduate into a state of being on the aggressive and not

01:10:10.560 merely defending ourselves then it will be over for the european races and the whole teutonic 0.96

01:10:17.480 and greco-roman legacies um that as hard as it is to believe the modern white liberal is the uh

01:10:28.860 inheritor of i don't know if it's going to happen or not i it the the whole warring spirit of

01:10:36.640 um the teutonic and celtic races seems to have been so bred out of um through domesticization 0.95

01:10:46.500 that the european races it it seems like a lost cause but i i'm just saying it seems like a necessary

01:10:53.280 condition at the least that wars actually will have to be waged to to resist the the uh elitism that

01:11:02.720 that you're mentioning i agree it's not enough to just mount defenses you actually have to be

01:11:09.620 active not just reactive um will anyone what will that ever happen i i i don't know but i but you

01:11:20.360 know eric's language he was talking about having a goal and that ties in with what i was saying during

01:11:25.440 the great wars there was a yearning for the overman i think if we could recover that hellenic 1.00

01:11:33.580 and teutonic uh love for what's higher and refashion society from the ground up practically

01:11:43.940 galvanized around that valuation and then wage wars on its behalf wars whose stake is the

01:11:52.720 advent of the overman then then we could be in for a glorious age but as long as we're simply acting

01:12:01.500 on the defense i think it'll be just a matter of time before uh celtic and dramatic but the remnants

01:12:11.920 of celtic and dramatic tribes are finally obliterated yeah i think you're right it's a sad truth we have to

01:12:17.960 be more on the offense rather than the defensive and it's going to take some organization but i do

01:12:23.580 feel that fire rising you know it's definitely there it's starting to come together yeah i i don't

01:12:29.220 want to sound all pessimistic here i i you know i wrote the glorious it took me four years to write

01:12:34.220 this book and i was writing uh that you know being a hermit is sort of a theme in that book

01:12:42.740 uh telethaster is described over once you get to chapter seven you'll see what i'm talking about but

01:12:49.800 uh he he basically lives on and in a mountain a distant mountain for years by himself that's you

01:12:58.480 right there is a little bit of autobiography built into this but um yeah actually i i was uh living for

01:13:11.300 weeks at a time without any human contact in kentucky and then in virginia as i wrote this so i i do have

01:13:17.420 a bit of firsthand existential experience of nietzsche's hermitage but uh i i wrote this honestly wondering

01:13:26.240 who the hell is going to read this book you know it just seems so personal i thought neat let alone god

01:13:35.000 is that i thought nietzsche was dead you know i like i thought everything about the ideas that he

01:13:40.940 was espousing were just completely wiped off the face of the earth save in uh philosophy 101 courses or

01:13:48.640 something like but near the end of its construction i slowly learned of uh this phenomenon of you know

01:13:59.200 what's been branded as the alt-right so far at least and i honestly shocked like i i sort of

01:14:05.260 couldn't believe that there were other people out there expressing at least on their own way and

01:14:10.900 to whatever extent they could values that to a large extent seem to harmonize with what this book is about

01:14:18.240 so it's a weird serendipity that i definitely didn't plan for and i'm not a huckster trying to come in

01:14:26.800 after the fact and cash in on this no no well we we welcome you to the family we need people we need

01:14:34.740 people of all talents yes we do you know a language exactly language is huge so i wanted to ask you

01:14:41.240 last question here you know we can't call things by their name anymore right you can't call you can't

01:14:47.540 say what is in front of your face anymore according to this leftist totalitarianism you can't notice things

01:14:53.300 anymore uh according to this system right now so how do we tackle censorship um do you mean we can't

01:15:02.520 because of well society people ice people out you know if they have certain views or call things by

01:15:09.420 their name i'm even saying that like race exists or gender gender constructs you know exist right

01:15:16.400 well i mean save for having facebook profiles shut down and things like that i i it seems like you

01:15:27.120 can do those things it just means you have to have developed a thicker skin to develop you know to to

01:15:33.020 withstand the uh sociological uh fallback for doing that yeah i guess it could reach to the it actually

01:15:42.260 could reach the point theoretically where anyone who doesn't explicitly represent liberal viewpoints

01:15:52.060 won't even have any place at the table under the rubric of freedom of speech um so for for for now

01:16:01.560 our friend is freedom of speech even though that itself is a liberal idea which liberals try to pull a

01:16:09.420 socratic mover maneuver on fascist for saying well but wait a minute you don't believe in freedom

01:16:14.520 of speech but you're making use of it to which i'll to which i say i'll exploit whatever means i can

01:16:20.240 as long as you're giving it to me but uh so for now that hasn't happened so as long as you're okay with

01:16:28.840 being called a nazi or whatever uh who cares yeah exactly who cares it's a word marching on and have

01:16:37.080 have a thicker skin about it we're in the day and age when people care about words like being called 0.99

01:16:42.720 a racist makes people's whole world and life crumble i mean how weak and pathetic you know 0.96

01:16:48.180 yeah what can they do to you i mean race exists whether these people have a problem with it or not 0.99

01:16:54.420 i don't know it just let let it be water shedding off your skin it just and and keep pressing forward

01:17:02.380 i think that would go along with you know the glorious path and being confident and strong

01:17:07.840 and just basically charging forward and just not giving a damn i mean we need more of those kinds of

01:17:13.380 people to set to change the the culture of things to make it socially acceptable to be a certain way

01:17:20.380 again and it has to be uncompromising you you have to have a sort of captain's morality about your ship

01:17:27.200 you have to be willing to go down with it yeah any last things you guys want to add before we

01:17:31.980 round up for this time well eric do you want to explain how people can get the book i'm horrible at

01:17:38.080 the the salesmanship of this yeah we we have right now we have the the hardback available on uh

01:17:46.840 airstoreworks.com um we'll share that link with you i'm sure you'll be able to find it

01:17:52.500 uh on the red ice page as well but it's airstoreworks.com and right now if you if you pick

01:17:59.080 up a copy of the hardback you'll be able to get the ebook for free as well some people like to read

01:18:06.060 uh the digital copy while they have a hard copy you know for their collection and currently the the

01:18:13.120 paperback is in a pre-order status so um and we also have a facebook page for the book

01:18:19.440 and we're just getting started putting updates on there as well so um but it's you know we're

01:18:27.040 directing everyone to our website to uh to actually get a copy that's right and i encourage everyone to

01:18:32.600 pick up a copy it's important that we support each other each other that are doing good work whether

01:18:37.600 it's arts or politics or things that they're making it's very important to support our own right guys

01:18:44.380 yeah i i can at least uh be confident in saying it will hopefully be a good read as well i mean

01:18:53.360 this isn't all just abstract ideology i did try to put together a damn good story on top of it all

01:19:00.620 and i agonized over every letter and every phraseology

01:19:03.980 well thank you guys let's definitely do this again sometime okay yeah will do thank you very much once

01:19:11.420 again thank you for having us i always find this kind of conversation inspiring if you want to

01:19:16.580 become the overman i think you must surround yourself by others who want that too those

01:19:20.720 relationships can be a catalyst and a motivator the best antidote to our disease society and culture of

01:19:26.780 pity is to become the greatest and strive to be the strongest you can be in every facet of your life

01:19:31.920 never settle for who or what you are right at this moment but always strive for more never be a

01:19:37.700 victim but a hero never ask permission or seek acceptance set new standards and forge a new path

01:19:43.360 before i let you go remember to tune into our live coverage of the final presidential debate tomorrow

01:19:48.380 wednesday the 19th starting at 8 30 p.m eastern time with special guests we'll be counting score

01:19:54.480 live literally during the debate it'll be a fun night so don't miss it head over to redice.tv

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01:20:04.920 we'll see you next week

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Radio 3Fourteen - October 18, 2016

The Glorious Path_ Master vs. Slave Morality

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