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00:00:00.000 Thank you for listening.

00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.740 Welcome new and regular listeners. This is Lana joining you for the next hour. I'm happy to have you.

00:00:51.080 I like to talk about what we're not allowed to talk about.

00:00:53.960 These are the things we should be scrutinizing with a microscope.

00:00:56.680 The things the establishment tells us not to question. We know what these topics are.

00:01:02.400 One of those is the myth that children of homosexual parents are no different from other children and suffer no harm from being raised by homosexual parents. 0.61

00:01:10.500 My guest today will discuss this myth and as you probably guessed, she's quite controversial.

00:01:15.340 Why? Because she wrote a book called Out From Under, The Impact of Homosexual Parenting. 0.99

00:01:21.520 In fact, Dawn Stefanowicz could be charged for a hate crime in Canada for writing this book.

00:01:26.560 So it was published in America, which is still surprising.

00:01:29.880 She's even received death threats for this book.

00:01:32.740 Dawn is a kind, intelligent woman and she doesn't spew hatred of any kind.

00:01:37.140 And although she's a Catholic, she isn't preaching on whether gay is right or wrong.

00:01:40.700 In the book, she shares her very personal story of being raised by a gay father and how it impacted her life.

00:01:47.360 Sadly, she was exposed to different gay subcultures, explicit sexual practices, and other behavior no child should be exposed to. 1.00

00:01:54.660 And it affected her for many years.

00:01:57.220 But as it turns out, this is a story shared by many other children who grew up with same-sex parents.

00:02:02.740 You see, in the entire subject of gay parenting and surrogacy, nowhere are people asking about the rights of the children. 0.97

00:02:11.000 Is it good for the children?

00:02:12.900 How are children being impacted?

00:02:15.260 In fact, these days we're told gay parents are actually better parents than a man and a woman.

00:02:20.120 Somehow nature didn't get it right.

00:02:22.100 The conversation that no one wants to objectively discuss is, what kind of family is best for the children?

00:02:28.040 If you ask this question, you are a bigot and a homophobe and must be silenced and iced out of society.

00:02:34.840 But this question must be dissected and studied from every angle scientifically. 0.97

00:02:39.340 I don't come from this from a religious perspective, and people that listen to me know my stance on homosexuality.

00:02:44.900 But I come from this from a nature-based, biological perspective.

00:02:48.820 Let's talk about why children who grow up with same-sex parents have more anxiety, depression, suicide, 0.99

00:02:54.780 are more likely to be abused or have been molested, more apt to engage in unhealthier habits such as sleeping around, drugs, smoking.

00:03:03.220 They suffer from more unemployment, less education, and need more public assistance.

00:03:08.340 As possible future gay parents, it's not a time to be selfish and think only of yourself,

00:03:13.860 but to think of the child you are bringing into the planet via surrogacy.

00:03:18.000 A child that will not know his or her true mother or father.

00:03:21.400 This is cruelty, because the harsh truth is, without science, this would not be happening naturally. 0.98

00:03:28.000 The biological truth is that gay sex is recreational, not procreational. 0.91

00:03:32.980 But the fact is, the effects of being raised with two daddies or two mommies is a subject that also involves

00:03:38.940 biology, psychology, social, emotional, and legal ramifications.

00:03:44.920 When will adults stop being selfish and ask, what is best for the children?

00:03:49.420 We'll discuss this and much more with Dawn, coming up.

00:03:54.400 Hi, Dawn. Welcome. Thanks for being here.

00:03:56.860 Thank you, Lana. Thank you for inviting me.

00:03:58.940 Well, you're a brave woman who I respect, because taking this conversation public in our current political climate

00:04:04.760 is not an easy task, but people need to realize you were the victim, and yours is a story that is never heard.

00:04:11.080 Is it?

00:04:11.500 It isn't. You know, for any child to go public, it is extremely risky, personally and professionally.

00:04:19.040 You know, I'm a Canadian, but, you know, there are risks for me because of our laws here.

00:04:26.140 But I'm worried about the United States and other countries.

00:04:29.540 When they legalize same-sex marriage or genderless marriage, it eliminates and restricts a number of our freedoms. 0.99

00:04:38.380 That's right. And I'd remind people as we get going in this topic, it's bigger than people's religious doctrines or views on homosexuality.

00:04:47.240 It's about what's good for the children and how it affects them mentally, physically, spiritually.

00:04:52.380 We know the negative impact of children who grow up without dads and also without moms,

00:04:56.860 but all of a sudden we forget that when it comes to homosexual parenting, right?

00:05:00.560 Well, it's true because, I mean, you know, people try to diminish the fact that man-woman marriage is traditional.

00:05:09.760 But when we look at the impact on children long-term who've lived through cohabitation, divorce, single parenting, step-parenting,

00:05:21.700 you know, especially after remarriage, foster care and adoption,

00:05:25.540 and even children that have come through reproductive technologies and surrogacies,

00:05:31.360 when you get to same-sex parenting, you know, definitely kids are going to struggle with a number of issues coming out of any area of brokenness,

00:05:40.700 but especially when you're denied the respect and the freedom to be able to share what you really, really feel inside.

00:05:49.180 That's right. And today all we hear about is human rights, but seldomly do we hear about children's rights

00:05:55.480 or what's good for the children, not just what the selfish adults want.

00:05:59.140 And we often hear that children grow up in just as well-adjusted and homosexuals and heterosexual homes.

00:06:04.800 So does your childhood experience in a homosexual home reflect that commonly accepted message?

00:06:09.040 You know, I don't follow the LGBT talking points, and so I would say that the impact for children is quite negative overall.

00:06:20.420 I've heard from well over 50 adult children that grew up in a same-sex parenting household,

00:06:28.180 and they have experienced depression, all different types of stressors.

00:06:33.200 About 30% of us self-identify as second generation, whether that's homosexual, bisexual, or even transsexual, transgender.

00:06:47.460 There's a number of things we have to deal with long-term, and, you know, it takes us until about our late 20s, early 30s

00:06:54.140 before we can begin to understand how this has impacted us.

00:06:57.780 Now, what was it that caused you to wake up to this impact that you've endured?

00:07:01.280 Part of it is, you know, I really didn't have the maturity as a child to, you know, really to comprehend what was going on,

00:07:09.680 why from infancy my father had different male partners that were in the home.

00:07:15.480 And I also, you know, was taken into the developing GLBT subcultures in Toronto, Canada.

00:07:22.500 This would have been late 60s going into the early 70s.

00:07:26.020 Before, there was that political correctness that you now see with the GLBT, LGBT movement.

00:07:35.320 But, you know, our brains as human beings don't stop developing until about our mid-20s.

00:07:41.220 And it's by then our frontal lobe of our brain can now, you know, actually judge what we feel about things,

00:07:51.520 what we think about things, and start reasoning and assessing where we've come from,

00:07:57.020 where we're at now, and where we're going.

00:07:59.920 And unfortunately, you know, by my late 20s, when I was ready to begin to address my thoughts

00:08:05.960 and my feelings around growing up in a homosexual household, I had already made a number of big decisions

00:08:13.240 around relationships, my academic and career goals, and so forth.

00:08:19.860 Well, I think we should get into that.

00:08:21.420 I wanted to ask about your mother and father.

00:08:23.440 So what was your relationship like with them for people who don't know your story?

00:08:26.660 Well, my parents married in 1960.

00:08:31.420 And on the outside, it looked like a traditional relationship.

00:08:36.140 And my twin brother and I were about 10 months old when my father brought a male partner to live

00:08:42.940 with us for about five, five and a half years.

00:08:46.220 And so from that point on, you know, my whole infancy, I don't remember ever a time where my

00:08:52.960 father didn't have at least one male partner in his life.

00:08:56.660 And so people would have seen different males coming and going from the home.

00:09:02.100 They also would have seen, you know, children, which would have been my two brothers and myself.

00:09:10.040 Now, my younger brother was conceived a few years after.

00:09:16.300 And my twin brother and I, you know, came on the scene.

00:09:20.220 And at that point, my parents stopped all sexual relations.

00:09:24.340 And that meant that only homosexual sex was going on in my home from the time I was about 0.50

00:09:30.960 two and a half years of age. 0.90

00:09:33.020 So your mom still stuck with him, even though he was he came out as being gay.

00:09:37.200 Yes.

00:09:37.740 And what people don't understand when you grow up in a homosexual household,

00:09:41.020 we will have different types of family structures.

00:09:45.100 And so we may not be represented in a census if that is done, because they will usually,

00:09:52.320 you know, ask, you know, the husband and wife or the, you know, the adults in the home and

00:09:58.660 how many children and, you know, some general questions.

00:10:01.660 But they don't necessarily go into who are your sexual partners?

00:10:04.980 Who are you currently having sex with? 1.00

00:10:07.260 You know, and are these people living in your home?

00:10:09.180 Yeah, that doesn't get represented in a lot of the census taking or in the research.

00:10:15.820 Well, I know this is an intimate question, but what kind of sexual example were you exposed

00:10:20.240 to in the home?

00:10:22.140 I saw a lot.

00:10:24.620 There was nudity. 0.96

00:10:26.500 I did see some sodomy.

00:10:29.240 I saw and heard a fair bit of things that would relate to sexuality. 0.89

00:10:38.620 There was pornography.

00:10:42.480 There was a, you know, different types of innuendals that were made of a sexual nature in that environment.

00:10:51.100 And when I also associated within the subcultures around my father and his partners, there was

00:10:58.180 a fair bit of nudity there as well.

00:11:01.460 There was also more than just hints of sadomasochism.

00:11:07.700 There was also what I would consider to be pedophilia in the sense that a number of the men around

00:11:14.740 my father, including my father, were attracted to minors, you know, men that were just coming 1.00

00:11:22.020 into adolescence, young, you know, basically boys, just hitting about the 12, 13-year mark.

00:11:30.340 And they seem to have a special fascination for teen boys.

00:11:35.440 Yeah, you know, this has been coming out more and more.

00:11:37.980 Actually, there's been some recent cases, but I was also reading on your site on how the public

00:11:41.460 is unaware that there's actually a growing movement within psychiatry to actually normalize

00:11:46.840 all forms of sexual practice, including sex with children, correct?

00:11:50.960 Yes.

00:11:51.980 You know, if you look at it, it's in certain countries.

00:11:54.940 If you look at Germany as an example, they're teaching that between zero and age four, children 0.99

00:12:01.480 should be masturbated and learn about masturbation. 0.98

00:12:06.300 And then from about age four onward, learn about sexuality and gender. 0.99

00:12:11.460 And so there is a sexualization of children going on, and it's being pushed into, you know,

00:12:20.080 different countries, different parts of the world.

00:12:23.200 And it's not really about equality and love.

00:12:28.360 It's more about, you know, taking children hostage in a way where they're emotionally and

00:12:36.040 psychologically and mentally going to be obsessed and, you know, controlled by thoughts and feelings

00:12:44.680 that they otherwise would not have experienced.

00:12:47.760 That's right.

00:12:48.180 I know that in first grade now, they're even teaching some kids about, you know, graphic 0.99

00:12:52.380 sexual positions and gay sex. 0.98

00:12:55.180 And it's like, in first grade, I mean, who thinks about sex in first grade, you know? 1.00

00:12:59.000 Well, this is it.

00:13:00.860 You know, you know, the left are not concerned about morality or ethics.

00:13:07.420 And, you know, in the situation I grew up in, it was, there was a boundlessness around

00:13:11.700 sexuality and gender, gender identity.

00:13:15.720 And that created a lot of confusion for me.

00:13:18.900 I'm sure there was a lot of suffering and a lot of struggles that I had that I would not

00:13:23.480 have had in a different kind of environment.

00:13:26.100 Now, do you remember what you were feeling and what was going on in your head when you

00:13:30.980 were seeing some of these things around you?

00:13:33.080 Well, I was exposed to sexuality beginning in infancy.

00:13:36.740 And so I was actually sexually abused beginning as an infant.

00:13:41.060 And so was my twin brother.

00:13:43.020 And so I had nightmares for about seven years.

00:13:46.080 And I had a major speech impediment as well for about seven years, between the ages of three

00:13:50.980 to almost 10.

00:13:52.800 You can't tell that now.

00:13:54.060 But, you know, after six years of speech therapy, plus an additional five and a half

00:13:58.360 years because of a family member with a level of deafness, you know, when you have close

00:14:05.060 to a dozen years of speech therapy, you know, it's very hard to now pick up some of the major

00:14:12.160 struggles that I had as a young child growing up in this environment.

00:14:16.580 Well, did your atmosphere confuse you sexually growing up?

00:14:20.720 Because I know many gay parents actually encourage they want their children to be gay.

00:14:24.600 And I had a friend who grew up with two moms and they were always encouraging him to be 0.88

00:14:28.060 gay. 0.93

00:14:28.300 So eventually he got a boyfriend.

00:14:29.700 But he told me that he didn't even know if he really was gay.

00:14:33.020 So did you ever come across any sort of confusion?

00:14:35.840 Yes, definitely.

00:14:36.660 I mean, I remember by the time I'm eight, nine years of age, my father's telling me that

00:14:42.020 I can be whatever I want to be and I can wear boys clothes, men's cologne, my hair, you know,

00:14:49.900 I can have it cut differently.

00:14:51.880 He really was about exploring this idea of boundless gender.

00:14:56.420 It wasn't really something where, Dawn, you're a girl, you're going to grow up and be a woman.

00:15:04.260 You know, there was a lot of confusion around gender, around gender roles.

00:15:09.540 In fact, you know, I had thought that maybe it would have been better if I'd been born a boy

00:15:15.620 than a girl because at least I wouldn't have been feeling like a doormat and stepped on and

00:15:21.240 diminished.

00:15:22.320 See, I never felt that I was loved, valued, or seen as important in my kind of environment 0.71

00:15:28.600 surrounded by gay men.

00:15:30.580 So did you try and seek out some kind of attention from men, almost looking for a father? 0.79

00:15:36.680 Yes, I did.

00:15:37.460 I mean, at age three, I unconsciously turned away from my father looking for some level of

00:15:43.560 replacement.

00:15:44.700 There was a real emptiness inside.

00:15:47.120 You know, people can't understand it. 0.94

00:15:48.460 They're thinking, well, you know, you had a gay father.

00:15:50.280 So what are you worried about?

00:15:52.320 What were you actually missing then?

00:15:54.700 But his attentions were not on, you know, treating me like I was something special.

00:16:01.260 He was totally caught up with the men in his life.

00:16:06.820 And that's where he spent his energies and his time.

00:16:09.920 And so I didn't feel anyone, you know, anywhere close to him in the sense of being loved and

00:16:15.200 valued.

00:16:15.660 I know he did love me, you know, deep down, but he didn't have the ability to affirm me

00:16:22.340 because I didn't see him loving women.

00:16:25.280 Yeah.

00:16:25.860 I didn't see him loving my mother.

00:16:27.860 And when we, as children, don't see our parent being loved and being loved by the opposite

00:16:36.640 gender, that is extremely confusing for children because it makes us, we actually absorb that 0.99

00:16:44.140 kind of negativity in that environment.

00:16:47.940 You know, being surrounded by just, you know, basically men, not normal heterosexual couples 0.97

00:16:53.900 in my situation had a profound negative influence on my sense of sexuality and gender identity.

00:17:01.340 And sadly, he passed away, correct?

00:17:03.680 Your father?

00:17:04.700 He did.

00:17:05.320 In 1991, I was in my late 20s and he passed away of AIDS.

00:17:10.880 And, you know, we realized that that was a very strong possibility about five years before

00:17:16.480 he died.

00:17:18.000 And, you know, we've had, we had confirmation the night that he died, that he had died of

00:17:23.920 AIDS.

00:17:24.180 And a number of his partners also died of AIDS.

00:17:28.780 And a few of them are mentioned on the AIDS Memorial in Cawthorough Square in the gay village

00:17:34.180 in Toronto, Canada.

00:17:36.180 Well, do you know other people who have lived with homosexual parents and how did their experiences

00:17:40.620 differ from yours?

00:17:42.580 You know, it's interesting.

00:17:44.080 The majority of us had a fair bit of instability in our family structure and in the adults that

00:17:50.180 were coming and going from our home environment.

00:17:52.860 I know, you know, two adult children that grew up with, you know, in a situation where

00:18:01.120 there was some level of stability in that their mother was in one relationship with another

00:18:08.520 woman for the length of time that those relationships existed. 1.00

00:18:14.520 And so outside of that, I have not seen that level of stability.

00:18:19.360 There's been a lot of multiple partnering going on.

00:18:23.860 And when they looked at the research, they found that only two out of 15,000 adult children

00:18:31.580 that had grown up with a parent that had had at least one same-sex relationship.

00:18:37.100 So only two out of 15,000 grew up from, you know, basically in the first 18 years of their

00:18:43.560 lives with their parent involved with one other same-sex partner.

00:18:50.020 So the majority of us will have a fair bit of instability.

00:18:53.940 Yeah, that's very difficult for little kids.

00:18:55.880 I just think of when I was young thinking of my parents breaking up or divorcing.

00:19:00.220 That was really heavy for me to think of at that time.

00:19:03.380 So children are really fragile.

00:19:04.800 They are, you know, there's this lie out there about children that we're somehow, you know,

00:19:10.940 very adaptable and strong and that we can handle basically anything the world throws at us.

00:19:18.060 And that isn't true.

00:19:19.680 We have to, you know, do our best at coping with what we're living with.

00:19:25.900 And then we have to assess it as we're ready to, and not everyone can.

00:19:31.820 It can be too difficult for a lot of adults.

00:19:34.860 And so that's what you find.

00:19:36.160 I mean, the adult children that have contacted me often have difficulties with trust and intimacy

00:19:41.320 and relationships.

00:19:42.760 This is male and female.

00:19:45.460 You know, girls that grew up with gay fathers tend to have a great deal of difficulty trusting

00:19:51.860 men. 0.83

00:19:52.260 And I found with boys that have grown up with a gay father have often experienced molestation

00:20:01.000 as children, whether it was their father or one or more of his male partners.

00:20:06.920 And they've also struggled with, you know, settling down with just one other person.

00:20:13.800 And, you know, you have to imagine what it's like when you see your parent involved with

00:20:17.380 different partners.

00:20:18.100 Even if they're partnered for a time with one partner, it doesn't mean it's monogamous.

00:20:23.720 There's a fair bit of, like in my father's situation, he shared, even though he was partnered, he and

00:20:31.040 his partner shared certain relationships.

00:20:33.740 And they also went out and cruised individually by themselves.

00:20:38.940 Yeah, not all, of course.

00:20:39.980 But generally, the gay lifestyle, it is full of partying. 1.00

00:20:43.060 There's lots of drugs, there's lots of sleeping around and other drama.

00:20:47.060 But how do you respond to those who say, yeah, but yours is just one experience and there's

00:20:50.660 many monogamous gay couples?

00:20:52.880 I haven't seen that level of monogamy that other, you know, people will put out there.

00:20:57.440 You know, again, children, so children, when they grow up in this environment, they share, you know,

00:21:06.760 when they feel safe, they share the details of what it's actually like.

00:21:11.060 And it doesn't seem to match the talking points that you'll hear from the other side.

00:21:16.280 You know, I mean, research bears it out.

00:21:18.620 I mean, they looked at homosexual relationships, and they found that they couldn't find any

00:21:24.940 partnered men over a five-year period that were exclusively monogamous during that five-year

00:21:32.840 period of time.

00:21:33.680 And I was reading a recent New York Times article, and it was about men who legally got married

00:21:43.180 to their same-sex partner.

00:21:44.820 And what they found is that in 50% of those relationships, these men opened up their relationships

00:21:52.820 to other sexual partners within the first year.

00:21:57.140 Yeah, it's funny to me how generally there's been a lot of gays that look down on and mocked

00:22:02.760 marriage and traditional family unit, but then here they are trying to have that and trying

00:22:07.300 to copy that.

00:22:08.120 It's funny, isn't it?

00:22:09.120 Yeah.

00:22:09.340 In Canada, when we had same-sex marriage legalized, this was in July 2005, what's really interesting

00:22:17.780 to us statistically is that over 95% of those that could potentially have gotten married,

00:22:26.160 only like under 5% actually tied the knot.

00:22:29.700 And we actually had more licenses being given to international couples than Canadian.

00:22:36.960 And so it was actually used, when it came into Canada and was legalized, same-sex marriage,

00:22:43.160 it was used by international couples to take it back to their own states and countries to,

00:22:49.060 you know, create court challenges to see if they could have their relationship recognized 0.92

00:22:55.160 in their own state, in their own country.

00:22:58.820 Yeah, I always wonder, why is it so important for them to be recognized if marriage is ultimately

00:23:03.460 about between two people?

00:23:04.880 Why do they need the state involved so much?

00:23:06.940 Have you thought about that?

00:23:08.340 I have.

00:23:09.180 No, I've testified in nine U.S. states, in the Fifth Circuit and at SCOTUS, as well in three

00:23:16.360 areas in Canada and also internationally in other countries, including Argentina and Australia

00:23:22.960 and Paraguay.

00:23:23.900 And what I found is that, you know, they will often bring up the argument about federal benefits,

00:23:33.580 visitation rights when one partner is hospitalized or dying, also inheritance rights.

00:23:42.400 All of these things can be legally agreed to for, you know, whatever relationship someone has.

00:23:50.200 So there are ways to go about that.

00:23:52.660 I think it's more about having forced acceptance of various types of relationships.

00:24:00.860 The problem you have is in genderless relationships. 1.00

00:24:04.520 That's really what it is.

00:24:05.480 It's about creating a situation where the government, you know, the nation recognizes, say, same-sex

00:24:15.420 marriage.

00:24:16.000 But it's really genderless because it could be a transsexual marrying, whether it's another

00:24:23.180 transsexual or transgendered person.

00:24:25.740 It could be a situation where there are, you know, say, a man with two women and they consider

00:24:35.440 themselves bisexual and they could have the same kind of arranged marriage legally recognized

00:24:43.280 by the government if they use the very same arguments of the LGBT movement.

00:24:47.380 Now, are you concerned with the legislative attempts to basically redefine marriage as an institution

00:24:53.520 unrelated to children?

00:24:54.860 Well, you know, I don't believe you can separate marriage from procreation. 0.90

00:25:01.900 Whether or not married couples as husband and wife can actually have children or not, or do 0.99

00:25:07.500 have children or not, that isn't the question.

00:25:10.640 Fact is that when you have children, they are connected naturally, biologically to their father

00:25:18.480 and to their mother and you can't, you cannot create children in a Petri dish and then say

00:25:26.720 to them, you don't have a mother or you don't have a father, but you have this parent or these

00:25:32.820 legal parents.

00:25:34.120 A child knows, you know, deep down intuitively that they have a biological father and a biological

00:25:44.440 mother and will often spend a good deal of their life looking for their own identity and

00:25:51.220 their own security in their biology.

00:25:53.320 That's right.

00:25:53.920 With their parents.

00:25:56.040 Yeah, and if we get real about this, without IVF and surrogates, this wouldn't be happening

00:26:00.420 naturally, which brings me to my next point.

00:26:02.900 You, of course, knew your father and mother, but what about the kids who were born from an egg 0.76

00:26:07.180 or sperm donor and who will never know who their true ancestors are?

00:26:10.720 Have you heard from people who grew up this way?

00:26:12.920 Yes, I have.

00:26:13.720 There's Anonymous Us.

00:26:16.120 There are some other interesting blogs that are, you know, managed by children that have

00:26:23.780 grown up never knowing either their father or their mother.

00:26:27.480 In most cases, it's a sperm donor father and they do really, really struggle with who they

00:26:34.180 are and they feel like they're missing half their identity and that they don't like the idea

00:26:40.140 that their adults, the adults in their life made a decision to permanently deprive them

00:26:45.540 of at least one of their biological parents.

00:26:49.300 And so there's a great deal of psychological and emotional struggling that goes on.

00:26:54.060 And the other challenge that they have is they potentially could be attracted to a half sibling, you know, someone

00:27:03.380 who was conceived artificially using the same sperm donor.

00:27:09.240 And in some cases they found in certain communities where the sperm donor was used between 150 and 300 times.

00:27:18.960 Wow.

00:27:19.100 So potentially, I mean, you do have communities of, as an example of lesbian women who conceive children using the same sperm donor and the children actually play together as half siblings. 0.98

00:27:32.220 Oh, wow.

00:27:34.760 Well, what about, we've talked about two fathers, but what about the effects of growing up with two women? 0.69

00:27:41.800 You know, it's, you have to look at, first of all, the sex of the child, whether it's a boy or girl growing up with two women. 0.88

00:27:48.120 And I don't want to limit it to two women because there is a greater chance that that relationship will end and there'll be other relationships. 0.99

00:27:55.900 For the, for the daughter, I think she would, you know, from my discussions with adult children that have grown up with lesbian parents,

00:28:05.640 the girls tend to grow up with this idea that they can do all things themselves and that they don't need men. 1.00

00:28:13.080 The reality is when these adult children have grown up and married the opposite sex, they realize, oh my goodness, this is what I missed out on. 0.96

00:28:25.020 And they, it's like, this is what a dad is supposed to do and be there for.

00:28:30.200 And, you know, I remember the testimony of Heather Barwick for the SCOTUS brief.

00:28:35.960 And she realized what she was missing from watching her own husband and how he was involved with her children and just the raising of the children.

00:28:46.440 And she went, oh my goodness, this is what I'm missing.

00:28:49.020 Yeah.

00:28:49.120 Um, it's, it's very, very painful realization.

00:28:52.940 And also the fact that you do come to the reality that as a girl growing up, um, in, in, you become a woman that you pot, you know,

00:29:01.620 society might be telling you and the lesbian community might be telling you, you can do anything you want, be anything you want, do it all.

00:29:09.120 And that you don't need men.

00:29:10.460 Um, but it's, it's a painful reality that you come to and you go, you know what?

00:29:14.780 We're not like men.

00:29:16.200 We need men.

00:29:17.240 That's right.

00:29:18.360 And, uh, for boys that grow up, it can also be very confusing for them because they miss out on the role model.

00:29:25.600 And what we have is in our situation, when our parents are partnered with the same sex, the partners tend to take on pseudo gender roles.

00:29:36.320 Yeah, they do.

00:29:37.040 And so we'll be told, okay, gender is not important.

00:29:39.700 Gender roles are not important. 0.69

00:29:41.120 You could be any sexuality you want, any sexual orientation you want, any gender you want.

00:29:46.140 It's boundless.

00:29:47.200 It's at the same time mimicked right in front of me is my father with a, uh, male partner.

00:29:54.220 And they all seem to have these traits, kind of more feminine traits, more submissive. 0.98

00:29:59.680 Um, you know, and they, they tend to do cleaning and cooking and certain things you'd expect of, you know, the mother in the home or the, you know, the woman in the home. 0.93

00:30:10.480 Yeah, it's pretty funny.

00:30:11.580 And so it's a really weird thing when you start to see this, this pseudo gender substitution going on.

00:30:17.740 And for a child growing up in this, you feel like, oh my goodness, like why on earth wouldn't you just ask for the real thing?

00:30:23.460 Like get the real thing.

00:30:25.020 That's what your, you know, parents, same sex partner is going to be doing. 1.00

00:30:30.140 Children, I see right through it.

00:30:32.000 They see this idea of equality as, as being really inequality because you don't have equality between the genders.

00:30:39.520 You don't have male and female that are equal in front of you. 0.99

00:30:43.900 Yeah.

00:30:44.080 You don't see male and female being equally loved, equally valued, equally seen as important.

00:30:49.560 And I apologize if I seem repetitive on this issue, but I'm restating it because it's a very, very deep, uh, painful thing to have one gender rejected, um, in the, in your, your deepest relationships you could ever have,

00:31:06.340 which is, should be with your, both with your, uh, with your father and your mother.

00:31:11.080 You should be able to see father and mother as husband and wife, father and mother.

00:31:16.560 You should also be able to see interactions, uh, with your brothers and sisters, with your parents, both genders being represented there.

00:31:25.100 You, you need to see all of that.

00:31:27.620 Those family relationships are very vital to your understanding of who you are and how you connect within your own family and, um, creating these fake families.

00:31:40.060 Cause they really are fake families when you have, um, you know, uh, you know, a parent that is involved with different same sex partners.

00:31:50.400 Those are not your real parents.

00:31:52.280 Even if you call that same sex parenting, I could have an auntie or grandma come over and do pretty well the same thing, except they're not going to be having sex with my parent, hopefully not anyway, in the bedroom. 0.87

00:32:03.300 Uh, you never know these days with what people are, uh, asking for recognition of, um, but it's, it's just, uh, there's a, something incestual in this, um, for a child though, because, you know,

00:32:19.960 you grow up and you relate to that same sex partner almost as if they're an older sibling.

00:32:26.480 And at the same time, what looks or feels like, uh, like an adopted older sibling in your family is actually having sex with your parent.

00:32:35.840 It's really an odd way of looking, but I never looked at any of my father's partners as a parent.

00:32:45.220 I looked at them, uh, the only way I could really view them was as an older sibling.

00:32:49.960 Yeah, it's interesting how the left is just, they're just out to, they want to destroy the family unit.

00:32:55.780 They have to destroy biological gender roles. 1.00

00:32:58.260 They're pushing, you know, shows like Modern Family, The New Normal.

00:33:01.860 There's just an all-out war on just the primordial family unit.

00:33:06.300 It's something we've had for thousands of years on this planet.

00:33:09.100 So what do you think their real motive is behind that?

00:33:11.460 Are they just out to destroy things or where is this coming from?

00:33:14.820 I don't think that the LGBT, um, you know, movement overall, uh, the membership that belongs actually know what's going on.

00:33:25.480 But I think there's a fraction, uh, that use the LGBT movement that are really about dismantling the family and bringing in state control. 0.89

00:33:37.420 Because if you look at a number, what you have a number of children, uh, that come out of this kind of brokenness.

00:33:45.020 And when you're, you grew up in a same-sex parented household, you, you know, truly start to lose your, your, uh, relations or your connections to your relatives and your ancestry within the first generation.

00:34:01.240 Um, you know, my children are growing up without ever knowing, um, grandparents.

00:34:09.440 They're growing up without ever knowing what it's like to have that extended family related to them.

00:34:16.100 And a big part of that is because my father put so much of his energies and his time, his whole life, into his same-sex relationships.

00:34:24.960 He really, really, um, put, um, my brothers and I at a much greater risk of losing that intergenerational support that we would have when we got married and have had our own kids.

00:34:39.620 And so it just takes one generation to separate us from our biology, from our ancestry, our roots.

00:34:45.740 Yeah, not a good thing.

00:34:48.040 Uh, we know what divorce does. 1.00

00:34:49.800 We know it doesn't work for kids.

00:34:51.360 Uh, we understand that even when a step-parent comes into the home and, and is trying to do everything he or she can in the family unit, that still is not the biological parent.

00:35:03.860 And, and, and so we need to be truthful.

00:35:06.480 We need to be honest about the relationships, um, that our parents are involved with because that impacts us as children going forward.

00:35:15.960 And, you know, I believe that if as much as possible, children need to be raised by their biological father and mother who are married as much as possible.

00:35:27.660 And I do know there are foster care situations and adoption situations, but even with children that come out of foster care and adoption, um, you know,

00:35:38.220 they're best to be raised by a, um, you know, by, uh, adoptive parents that are representative of married father and mother.

00:35:49.600 I have looked at, uh, foster care and adoption and the risks for children.

00:35:53.760 There's a much higher degree of there being, um, you know, psychological and emotional issues going forward.

00:36:01.420 Even though, uh, even though, uh, they grow up, you put, try to place children in the, the safest, most, most secure home environment.

00:36:08.820 These children are a much higher risk of a whole bunch of issues.

00:36:12.180 Children that come out of, um, reproductive technologies as surrogacy and so forth, much higher risk of psychological issues, risk of cancer, uh, physical and mental disabilities.

00:36:26.060 And, uh, the children are also much higher risk when they grow up and want to have children to be infertile so that, you know, we're really playing with nature and, uh, trying to be God, um, in, in creating these artificial family structures and living arrangements that are not biologically tied together.

00:36:49.260 And it's, it's, it's sad.

00:36:50.580 It is very, very sad.

00:36:52.060 And I know there's always going to be exceptionalities.

00:36:54.540 I understand that.

00:36:56.460 Um, but to be actually out there saying all family structures are equal and will create good outcomes for children.

00:37:05.540 No, that, that isn't true.

00:37:08.700 Have you looked into the many studies on the importance for children to have both their biological mother and father?

00:37:14.660 Because I know there's even crucial hormonal interactions from having both parents.

00:37:19.260 There is, um, you know, when I, when I've looked into it, I, to be fair, what I did is I looked at, uh, first of all, I looked at one man, one woman marriage.

00:37:31.340 Then I looked at cohabitation of, um, you know, biological parents.

00:37:36.100 So the biological parents have not tied the knot.

00:37:39.700 They're, they're cohabiting.

00:37:41.780 There's a much higher risk of violence, like physical violence and emotional violence in the home.

00:37:46.660 Um, much higher risk in a cohabiting biological situation that the children will lose connection with at least one of their parents.

00:37:55.460 And the children, uh, tend to have, you know, more sexual activity at earlier ages when their parents' relationship, you know, that they, when these children do not grow up, uh, are not born into and raised in a married, a married father-mother situation.

00:38:14.160 It's just cohabiting.

00:38:16.060 These kids don't do as well.

00:38:18.340 You look at children of divorce.

00:38:20.980 You, you see that, you know, I mean, Judith, um, I'm trying to remember her last name.

00:38:26.520 Um, um, but there's this person, Dr. Judith, she did research over 25 years and what she found was, I think it's Wallerstein.

00:38:36.400 She did research and she found these children were still dealing with the ramifications of divorce 25 years after their parents' divorce.

00:38:44.060 Wow.

00:38:44.360 Um, you know, you look at fatherlessness, so you look at what 85% of incarcerated men are fatherless and we wonder why they got in trouble with the law and they dropped out of school and they had issues with alcoholism and drug addiction and so forth.

00:38:59.580 You know, we look at single parenting and even the best intentions of, of parents and there are kids that somehow make it through and all of these areas of brokenness, but when we look at single parenting and we know these kids don't fare as well economically, we know that they're at much higher risk of early sexual activity and so forth.

00:39:18.420 And so you move on and you move into remarriage and step-parenting, uh, the children often struggle with, with the, the new parent that's now, uh, is their step-parent and, um, it, it's challenging when you bring two families, two broken families together under one roof.

00:39:37.100 Uh, it isn't exactly the Brady Bunch, uh, but anyway, uh, you know, and then when you get to gay parenting and all the different ways that children, uh, 0.98

00:39:48.420 uh, like myself are come into these situations, we, we're, I mean, obviously conceived heterosexually, but we have, uh, compounding issues because our parent, uh, can have, uh, opposite sex, uh, sexual relationships and same-sex sexual relationships.

00:40:06.620 And they can actually swing back and forth between, um, heterosexual and homosexual relationships even throughout our childhoods and into adulthood.

00:40:16.640 Now, my father, um, remained, uh, in homosexual relationships throughout, um, you know, my early childhood, into my teens, into my twenties, when, you know, before he died, um, I didn't see him involved with other women.

00:40:32.400 But my understanding is that for many of us, we can have this, our parents flipping back and forth, um, that there isn't this stable sexual orientation that, that the left liked to present.

00:40:44.160 Um, you know, there's, um, you know, there's, like, eight definitions for lesbianism and there's only one definition for lesbianism, uh, that actually is exclusively lesbian.

00:40:54.160 When Lohmann and, um, and other researchers began looking at, uh, human sexuality in the mid-90s, the research there showed that, you know, the majority of men who say they're gay have had and will have opposite-sex sexual relationships.

00:41:12.160 They found the same thing with women, the women that said they were lesbian have had and will have, um, you know, opposite-sex sexual relationships.

00:41:22.160 So it's, it's, it's really, really confusing, uh, for me, you know, growing up because I didn't look at people, you know, under these, uh, titles of, you know, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transsexual, transgendered, you know, questioning and so on.

00:41:40.860 I didn't look at people under those labels because I saw this whole experimentation going on where people, people were not necessarily labeling themselves.

00:41:49.840 That, that, that is later.

00:41:51.060 That, that came, um, after there was this political legal revolution to change family structures and to destabilize children from their biology.

00:42:02.680 Um, and that really has to do with selfish adult desires, not just sexual desires, but treating children like commodities and removing them from their, their ancestry and their roots.

00:42:14.320 And trading them back and forth, uh, based on the highest bidder and the most power that you have.

00:42:20.220 And, you know, there's a number of, of people that cannot, uh, have children naturally, but if they're heterosexual, you know, um, you know, it just, you know, that's an issue for them.

00:42:32.520 But anyone else, they're going to be infertile because biologically speaking, there's no chance that they could ever conceive. 0.95

00:42:39.800 Two women and two men can't conceive naturally.

00:42:43.480 And children, you know, we're real human beings and we begin to recognize that, uh, the image that we're made into, um, doesn't, uh, reflect same sex.

00:42:56.120 It reflects male and female, that we need both for our own identity, for our own development.

00:43:03.180 We need, we need the, uh, complementary genders interacting with each other in our growing up years for us to truly, truly value who we are as human beings.

00:43:17.180 And I think that's what the LGBT movement has left out is what children really need, you know, so they, they, they basically come out with the talking points.

00:43:29.080 And if you, as an adult child, start speaking as I have about what it's like to grow up in this, um, they, they often will threaten us.

00:43:39.460 Yeah, I bet you've been really attacked because this is like the ultimate taboo.

00:43:44.400 You can't talk about this at all.

00:43:46.120 No one ever even questions it.

00:43:48.040 That's out of the question to talk about it.

00:43:50.100 So how have you been dealing with that?

00:43:51.860 Well, you know, you get hate mail, uh, you get verbal threats and you get, um, written threats.

00:43:58.360 And in most cases, you know, if, uh, this was being done to, you know, um, someone who says they're gay or lesbian,

00:44:06.860 they would have, uh, the person who's, who's making these threats, um, and saying these vulgar, uh, you know, you know, things against you.

00:44:17.520 They, they would have, they would make sure those people were charged.

00:44:21.100 But in my case, when I get all these, um, email threats, bad emails and vulgar emails,

00:44:27.460 I haven't gone and asked for any one of these people to be charged or investigated.

00:44:33.120 Exactly.

00:44:33.820 Yeah.

00:44:34.080 Well, that's just it.

00:44:35.400 People keep saying equality, but now it's, they're the protected group and people such as yourself have no protection legally.

00:44:42.400 I mean, I, I'm hearing that, you know, people keep saying equality, but now discrimination against churches and pastors seems to be state sanctioned.

00:44:49.440 So if you deny same-sex marriage in your church or you share your religious views on homosexuality, you can actually be charged with a hate crime.

00:44:56.060 I know Canada, Canada is pretty, uh, forward on that, aren't they?

00:44:59.540 They are.

00:45:00.080 In fact, I've had pastors confess to me that they have received, uh, whether they're phone calls or emails of, um, being, you know, basically saying that someone is sitting in another church.

00:45:12.100 Usually they're educated and they say they're gay and they're saying, you know, I really like being here.

00:45:18.820 Uh, but if you say anything opposed to being gay or anything about the kinds of relationships I have, you know, I just want you to know, I'm kind of putting you on notice.

00:45:29.660 I'm going to be sitting in on the sermons and listening.

00:45:32.640 And if you say anything I disagree with, I am going to make a complaint.

00:45:37.220 And so pastors are being threatened and they are being silenced.

00:45:40.160 And we have a fair bit of our denominations.

00:45:44.180 Um, and unfortunately it doesn't matter whether one is Catholic, uh, evangelical, Protestant, um, a fair bit have become very politically incorrect.

00:45:54.040 And, um, you know, sorry, politically, you know, they're very, very careful in what they're, what they're saying.

00:46:02.400 They're, they're trying not to, to, to say anything that would, um, a person who says they're gay or lesbian would, would find offensive.

00:46:11.300 Um, and so, yes, we do.

00:46:13.380 We have human rights, uh, commissions in British Columbia.

00:46:16.920 We have a human rights tribunal.

00:46:18.820 And, and so every one of our territories and provinces are basically overseen by these human rights commissions.

00:46:27.420 We have a federal human rights commission, um, that over three decades had a hundred percent conviction rate.

00:46:35.220 And what you'll find is sexual orientation is a protected category.

00:46:40.360 So, um, if you are heterosexual, um, I just want you to know that you are not under that sexual orientation.

00:46:48.820 So you're on equally protected in law, the human rights commissions are not run by real lawyers, judges, and juries.

00:47:00.560 Um, they're basically kangaroo courts.

00:47:03.380 However, they have, they have the power to human rights commissions have the right, well, the, the power really to enter your home,

00:47:11.960 you know, confiscate your laptop, computers, uh, cell phones, and files, it, you know, looking for hate crime.

00:47:21.420 And, uh, even at our border, uh, where you have, um, customs, there are materials that have been stopped at the border, books, DVDs, and the like.

00:47:32.380 I know there was a sodomy, uh, documentary put out by a Russian, uh, film company. 1.00

00:47:39.560 And, um, that was confiscated at the Canadian border being carried over by, um, you know, uh, his name is Peter.

00:47:49.700 He's with Americans for Truth.

00:47:52.080 And, um, he was shocked that they confiscated the sodomy, uh, DVD when that is available, uh, and accessible on YouTube in Canada.

00:48:02.420 Yeah, they're pretty full on up there right now.

00:48:04.440 I was pretty shocked.

00:48:05.160 I thought Canada was just, you know, peaceful and calm and respected everybody.

00:48:09.180 But it seems it's just a one-way tolerance, huh?

00:48:11.380 It is a one-way tolerance.

00:48:12.840 And I'm, you know, the only way to get around it really is to take a stand.

00:48:18.600 And yes, there's risks, but people understand this is not about hating anyone.

00:48:23.600 This is about freedom of speech.

00:48:25.700 It's something that, you know, true democracy, everyone should have.

00:48:29.640 And, you know, I have, I happen to have a Polish last name, which means that in, in our family,

00:48:36.220 going back, uh, there was communism and under state control in communism, you have empty

00:48:42.620 shelves.

00:48:43.100 So you can't easily access all the food you would need or you'd like to have.

00:48:49.180 And when the food's available, you stand in line blocks and blocks at a time and you wait until the bread, you can get your loaf of bread or your meat or whatever it is that has just come into the stores.

00:48:59.500 Um, as well, you know, people under communism had to be very careful what they said about their

00:49:05.620 political leaders and they had to be very careful.

00:49:08.080 They didn't put down their, their government leaders, their political party that was in

00:49:13.080 power.

00:49:13.860 Um, they had to be careful what they wrote.

00:49:16.120 They had to be careful because they could be fined and they could be imprisoned and some,

00:49:21.620 you know, were killed.

00:49:22.740 And so if you're, if you remember what it's like to live under that kind of state control,

00:49:28.420 that kind of regime that takes away your freedom of speech and also restricts your, uh, religious freedom to the point that, you know, you can only go to the state approved churches.

00:49:40.760 You can't go to the underground churches and you can't, you cannot freely worship and you cannot, you know, publicly, uh, express your faith in your business or in,

00:49:52.220 in any public places.

00:49:54.280 So your worship, your, your, your religious freedom is restricted to a few hours on Sunday in a state approved church.

00:50:02.540 Well, coming out of that, you know, when people come into Canada, they're expecting that, uh, there'll be more freedom here.

00:50:10.360 And they're absolutely shocked that all this kind of language and discussion is banned in Canada publicly.

00:50:18.020 Whereas, you know, if you go back to different parts of Europe, people are very aware of what it was like to live under a state regime and how restricted speech was and, and religious freedom was restricted.

00:50:30.460 And therefore they express all sorts of feelings and thoughts around political and religious, religious topics, you know, and, and, and so they can't imagine that any country, uh, through human rights commissions and hate crime legislation would want to ban speech and, and, and, and, uh, protect certain categories of people, you know, under a special label.

00:50:56.420 And, um, you know, it just doesn't make sense.

00:51:01.240 Yeah.

00:51:01.720 I wonder if eventually, cause they keep redefining everything and the control, this is just more and more against certain groups.

00:51:08.180 Soon they might even redefine who a parent is, or might even come and try and take your children away because you're teaching them hate.

00:51:14.500 Well, this is it in Canada when same sex marriage was legalized, the majority of Canadians did not have a clue that parenting was redefined immediately, uh, with same sex marriage.

00:51:28.580 And so what happened when Canada's gay marriage law bill C-38, uh, was passed through and became legal, it included a provision to erase the term natural parent and replace it across the board with gender neutral legal parent in federal law.

00:51:46.400 So now all children only have legal parents as defined by the state and by legally erasing biological parenthood in this way, the state ignored and ignores the children's foremost right to know and be raised by their own biological parents.

00:52:06.420 Yeah.

00:52:06.560 This is scary stuff.

00:52:07.800 I always wonder too, what the long-term effect would be like, let's say in the future, if they went far enough and it's like, oh no, the state raises your kids.

00:52:14.960 There's no such thing as a primordial family unit.

00:52:17.600 What kind of humans would we become?

00:52:19.160 Well, this is it.

00:52:20.020 You know, this in Canada as parents, you can expect state interference when it comes to moral values, parenting and education.

00:52:28.160 And it doesn't just happen in school.

00:52:30.500 We have some, uh, school policies, excuse me, in place that, uh, you know, use a term called school climate.

00:52:38.600 And what that means is that the child, uh, in school, um, you know, is bound by the regulations of the school board within that school and beyond.

00:52:51.960 So wherever that child travels as a student of the school, that child's school climate around him is like a bubble and it walks with him.

00:53:01.580 It goes with him.

00:53:02.460 So if he gets on the bus and he says something that the bus driver finds, um, hateful or hurtful towards a particular group of people, that bus driver actually has to report, write that down and report it to the school, uh, principal, uh, within a day.

00:53:21.500 The school needs to be aware, you know, so police, policing of speech by students, by the teachers and the administration and by the bus drivers and the school counselors and social workers and even the caretaker at the school.

00:53:38.460 Well, you know, that policing of speech continues on with the child when that child leaves the school and goes, um, to, you know, the corner store, variety store to pick up a snack or a pop.

00:53:53.420 It also travels with a child on field trips.

00:53:56.060 Also, if that child meets with other students at the local mall or goes to a movie theater or a number of them or a few of them get together as friends after school at a child's home, um, the school climate is traveling with that child throughout, uh, the child's whole day, not just at the physical location of where the school exists.

00:54:21.980 And so with that school climate, it means when the child comes home and opens up, uh, his or her laptop or starts using their cell phone or, or starts, starts communicating on the social networks, that child's speech and anything the child writes, anything the child posts, uh, in photos or illustrations, all of that can be policed, uh, under the school climate, which means even the parents can be investigated.

00:54:50.980 If, if, uh, somehow the school finds out.

00:54:56.200 Unbelievable.

00:54:57.020 The parents have said something that's in conflict with what the state is supporting.

00:55:02.420 Wow.

00:55:03.000 Wow.

00:55:03.340 This is like a dystopian sci-fi movie.

00:55:06.080 So any tips for how to raise your kids in this kind of climate?

00:55:10.160 Cause I know we've got that and then we've got the cultural Marxists on the other side.

00:55:13.760 So how are you raising your children?

00:55:15.520 I homeschooled for a number of years.

00:55:17.960 Uh, I've done all sorts of interesting things, but I homeschooled.

00:55:20.980 And one thing I would say to anyone who is homeschooling, they don't have to be Christian, Catholic, religious at all.

00:55:28.100 They could be Jewish or they could be secular.

00:55:30.000 It doesn't matter that I would recommend anyone and everyone that's homeschooling to join homeschooling legal defense association for that nominal fee to educate your child at home.

00:55:41.840 Um, that membership with HSLDA will offer you a level of protection like nothing else.

00:55:48.860 They will, um, defend you.

00:55:50.860 If, if, uh, you're in a situation where the social worker or supervisor comes from the school or from the government to, you know, to your door, they will actually give you legal advice on how you're, you're to handle that situation.

00:56:04.680 And we do have, um, we call them, um, you know, family services or children's aid.

00:56:11.200 We do have government employees that can potentially come to your door and investigate.

00:56:17.240 Um, and, and they may be looking for abuse, they say, and I put that in quotes and that abuse could be, you're teaching your child something very different.

00:56:25.460 Uh, that they don't, they really disapprove of.

00:56:28.900 And so it's very, very important, um, to, to have, uh, a community of people where you have connection and protection under, um, HSLDA membership.

00:56:39.620 The other thing that I would recommend too is be very watchful and careful in who you're associating with.

00:56:46.140 Be careful what you say publicly.

00:56:48.240 You have to, and we have, um, you know, the other issue that we have is because we are just,

00:56:55.460 legal parents now in Canada under same-sex marriage.

00:56:58.520 And we have only, you know, been legal parents for the last 10 years.

00:57:03.020 The state does have the power to enter our homes if they feel there is a, um, a reason to do so.

00:57:10.660 And we, we saw that happen with an Orthodox Jewish community who actually, uh, the majority of them left Canada, uh, because of state interference.

00:57:21.320 Because they were not teaching curriculum, uh, to their students, to their children, um, that agreed with the state's curriculum.

00:57:29.740 I thought the Jews were very protected in Canada.

00:57:32.580 Well, this is it.

00:57:33.680 You know, they will go after the vulnerable small groups first.

00:57:38.320 Um, you know, they will, they will go after, um, you know, individuals and, and families and groups that may not be as, um, as protected as other groups in the sense they're not as assimilated within the community.

00:57:54.800 And don't have the, the network of supports around them.

00:57:59.620 Um, you know, this is the challenge is that if you see vulnerable groups, um, having to leave the country, then you understand as parents that, you know, how long will you have your freedom as a parent?

00:58:12.120 To be making the choices to teach your children certain values and beliefs and your faith in the privacy of your own home.

00:58:21.560 How long will you have that freedom before someone knocks on your door?

00:58:26.380 And if you're, uh, a careful parent, you have to always be prepared for that in Canada under our hate crime legislation and under same-sex marriage. 0.94

00:58:35.480 And with our human rights commissions and tribunal, um, that we, we are at risk, we're at a higher risk.

00:58:43.820 Um, and so we must be very careful before we open our front door.

00:58:48.660 And we have to remember that what kind of future are we creating for our children if we don't fight this now?

00:58:54.220 I mean, think of where your grandchildren could be living.

00:58:57.220 I just had a couple more questions for you.

00:58:59.480 What would you say to other adults who have grown up like you?

00:59:02.280 They're learning to cope with their parents' choices and they don't know how to handle it.

00:59:06.200 Well, I would say face the reality of it.

00:59:08.400 It's a lot harder to do than what I just said.

00:59:11.720 It takes time.

00:59:13.860 Um, but if you truly want to be sane and, um, you know, a decent person in a sense of being able to cope with stress in day-to-day life,

00:59:24.620 you have to deal with the past.

00:59:26.660 You have to sift through it and, um, you know, love your parents, appreciate them, uh, value the different men and women that were in your life growing up,

00:59:37.200 whether you agreed with them or not, whether you like them or not.

00:59:41.260 Um, you know, really just look at everyone as, as a valuable human being and love them.

00:59:46.680 Um, at the same time, recognize where there's, there's losses, those permanent losses and deficiencies and, um, recognize that our whole identity is not just wrapped up in our sexuality and gender.

00:59:59.840 That is, you know, very, very important to our identity, but it's not all that we are.

01:00:04.540 We're much bigger than that.

01:00:06.220 And that any inclinations that we have, that doesn't have to become our identity.

01:00:11.580 Um, also forgive those people around you that have hurt you.

01:00:15.080 Um, it's really important to practice forgiveness on a daily basis.

01:00:19.280 Um, you know, I know that there are people that are, uh, Christians, Catholics, uh, you know, they believe in, in forgiveness, but I would say, you know, whether you're religious or not, forgive.

01:00:31.360 Really?

01:00:31.980 I mean, so you don't have to carry that bitterness around with you.

01:00:36.080 Um, and the third thing I would say going forward is make the best choices possible going forward.

01:00:41.620 Life is not perfect.

01:00:42.700 Life has its challenges.

01:00:45.080 Um, but you can live day to day and enjoy the beauty around you and appreciate the people in your life.

01:00:52.380 Um, you can love more deeply and more intimately, uh, when you're, uh, you have faced the reality of the painful past, when you've forgiven those who've hurt you.

01:01:02.340 And when you move forward and making the best choices possible.

01:01:06.300 Um, I'd encourage everyone to buy your book too and help support your work because you're doing important work.

01:01:11.380 But I wanted to ask you, why is your message so critical now?

01:01:14.100 Well, you know, I, this is not really about ego.

01:01:17.580 Um, I was compelled to write when I got home, um, in, in 2004, after testifying before Canada's Senate of Legal and Constitutional Affairs on hate crime legislation.

01:01:29.840 I was compelled to write my book because I felt like, oh my goodness, they're going to make it a hate crime that I come up and say something that hurts the feelings of certain men and women around me.

01:01:42.840 Or, um, you know, men or women that are like my father who was in, you know, involved with same-sex partners.

01:01:49.280 And so I thought, you know, I got to write down my story.

01:01:52.120 People have to understand that, um, what it's like for a child to grow up in this.

01:01:57.760 So I wrote Out from Under the Impact of Homosexual Parenting and I published it in the States because, uh, for a number of reasons, uh, you know, the major reason, 0.79

01:02:10.120 I wasn't sure if Canada would allow my book across the border and we don't have the distribution network that the United States has and our, uh, postal system charges, uh, probably double to triple what you charge in the States.

01:02:25.820 And so, um, you know, I thought my book would be more accessible being published in America.

01:02:31.060 And I also felt that, uh, with my story out there, that more adult children would come forward to share their stories, which is actually what's happened.

01:02:38.740 And that legislators would take a step back and really consider before they change laws around marriage, um, really consider the impact on children. 0.84

01:02:50.680 And so that was really the purpose of my book.

01:02:53.060 And I state that in my preface, uh, my book is, um, it can be read in just a matter of, um, you know, a few days, but I would recommend people take coffee breaks.

01:03:03.860 Because there are difficult passages in the book and especially if someone is an adult child that, um, this, this could hit home in a number of ways, very personally.

01:03:15.240 And, um, I also recommend if, if people have issues, you know, they're still very stressed about it.

01:03:21.440 If they have anxiety issues or any other, um, risk factors that they seek counseling and, and get the kind of support that they need and, uh, that would, uh, respect their faith values and their beliefs around sexuality and gender, marriage, and family.

01:03:40.920 Well, Dawn, please share your website details and also let people know how, how they can get your book and any upcoming speaking engagements you might have.

01:03:47.260 Well, the, um, I have a website I've had since 2006 and it is, uh, filled with news articles and research.

01:03:55.880 It's a very simple website.

01:03:57.400 It's not, um, flashy.

01:04:00.300 Uh, it's not one of those expensive websites.

01:04:02.440 So when you go there, it's really, it's triple W, my first name and my last name.

01:04:07.840 So it's triple W dot Dawn, D-A-W-N. 1.00

01:04:11.800 And then my last name, which is S-T-E-F as in Frank, A-N as in Nicole, O-W-I-C as in Charles, Z.

01:04:26.060 And, uh, if you can't remember my last name, just put in D-A-W-N and then out from under, and you'll be able to find my website.

01:04:38.840 Um, I've done a number of articles.

01:04:40.820 I've had done a different media interviews, but as for speaking engagements, because of the political and legal risks with what I am doing publicly,

01:04:52.060 I usually do not announce publicly where I'm next speaking.

01:04:57.020 Yeah, it makes sense.

01:04:57.640 But if you're associated, uh, with an event that is hosting me, they will tell you about me.

01:05:04.840 I don't even send out emails to advise where I'm going next, what I'm doing.

01:05:10.360 Um, and the reason for that is because we have anti-spam legislation and I'm not spamming anyone,

01:05:17.720 but I could imagine that there'd be some people that would want to easily take me down with a $500,000 fine.

01:05:24.460 If I sent out an email and they said, you know, I really didn't sign up for this.

01:05:27.900 I don't want this.

01:05:29.620 And so I can't afford it.

01:05:30.780 I don't even put in on Facebook or Twitter where I'm next speaking.

01:05:35.020 And because it's extremely dangerous, there are risks, um, when you're sharing publicly what I share publicly.

01:05:41.000 And I'm only, you know, really, I'm, I'm speaking up for the child, for the children, uh, and saying, you know,

01:05:47.620 they need to be raised in the best environment possible.

01:05:50.900 And that is, you know, a married father, mother household.

01:05:55.300 And it doesn't mean that every household at there is going to be perfect.

01:05:58.560 You know, all, every marriage has challenges.

01:06:00.700 Every family has challenges, but we need to give children the best start we can in life.

01:06:05.860 And we need to be real and, uh, not create, uh, you know, fabricated, um, ideas and, and try to brainwash

01:06:16.500 children and say that every family structure out there, no matter how broken it's, it's, it's going

01:06:22.160 to be good for you.

01:06:23.300 Uh, we have to be honest because children, uh, do soon realize what they're missing and, um,

01:06:32.000 they don't need to be permanently deprived of either a mother or a father who's biologically

01:06:37.260 related to them.

01:06:39.080 Um, you know, children really, really need that connection going forward, that history,

01:06:44.220 that ancestry, that heritage, uh, not just biologically, but their heritage, uh, their

01:06:50.520 religious background, their ethnicity, and the different nationalities that are connected,

01:06:55.860 uh, in their history.

01:06:57.440 They need to know that they need to know the culture they came from.

01:07:01.000 Absolutely.

01:07:01.480 Um, it's very important to our, I, our whole identity and, you know, there, of course the,

01:07:06.520 on the biology side, there's going to be mannerisms and certain, certain, uh, you know, physical

01:07:12.940 features that we have.

01:07:14.300 All of that is so important.

01:07:16.700 Very good.

01:07:16.940 Well, thank you, Dawn.

01:07:17.740 I know you're busy, so we appreciate your time.

01:07:19.880 Thank you, Lana.

01:07:21.200 Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity and all the best to you.

01:07:25.340 And thank you for your courage and addressing some of these very challenging topics today.

01:07:30.440 Well, it's no secret leftists are destroying personal freedom to choose how we raise our

01:07:35.760 children, how we want to live our life, and who we want to associate with.

01:07:40.400 What does the phony right have left to conserve?

01:07:42.960 It's all being taken away by force.

01:07:45.160 And still they worry about looking like fascists.

01:07:48.320 Well, sadly, these people won't make it to the next level of evolution.

01:07:51.960 These are serious times, folks.

01:07:53.900 It's dire straits.

01:07:55.060 We need to start becoming self-sufficient, less dependent on the system.

01:08:00.020 How can we reorganize our lives to become more self-sufficient?

01:08:03.800 Because it's a matter of time before you can't get access to what you need, especially if

01:08:07.940 you're cut off for a hate crime.

01:08:10.340 Who can you buy property with?

01:08:11.820 What business can you start up?

01:08:13.460 Where's our co-op?

01:08:14.640 What food can you grow?

01:08:16.180 Where's your brotherhood or your sisterhood you can call up when you need them?

01:08:19.960 Where is our tribe?

01:08:21.080 It's time to become tribal and think tribally in everything we do.

01:08:26.100 Is it good for our people should be the question on our mind at all times.

01:08:30.120 Is this ensuring the survival of our European children?

01:08:33.580 The difference with Europeans is we think long-term. 1.00

01:08:36.400 Can you see the long-term of where this is going?

01:08:40.420 What are you doing now to leave your legacy for your future children?

01:08:45.020 Pull out of public school.

01:08:46.440 Can't afford it? 1.00

01:08:47.280 Well, damn it, make some sacrifices. 0.99

01:08:48.820 Sell that second car or go out to eat less. 0.99

01:08:52.120 Connect with the homeschool network.

01:08:53.700 Make it happen.

01:08:54.880 The children are our future.

01:08:56.600 We must raise them right and armor them with truths.

01:08:59.820 Nature is on our side and there's nothing more powerful than nature.

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01:09:40.000 All right, everyone.

01:09:40.680 Have a great night.

01:09:41.320 I climbed the Redwood Hill

01:09:45.620 T'was on a rainy day

01:09:50.600 To rise above the throne

01:09:54.840 And talk with Mother Nature for a while

01:09:59.620 She told me of the love for the children in her trust

01:10:09.900 And of her grave concern for the likes of you and me and us

01:10:18.920 Crying though she was

01:10:23.720 She didn't speak these tender words

01:10:29.380 The things that I am

01:10:33.500 I could not change for any man

01:10:37.840 I tried to comfort her

01:10:43.160 Oh, but she would not be still

01:10:47.680 And how the rain did fall

01:10:52.380 As I found my way back down the Redwood Hill

01:10:56.980 Crying though she was

01:11:21.600 She didn't speak these tender words

01:11:22.600 She didn't speak these tender words

01:11:27.100 The things that I am

01:11:31.220 I would not change for any man

01:11:35.340 I tried to comfort her

01:11:40.820 Oh, but she would not be still

01:11:45.160 I'll not forget that day

01:11:49.860 When Mother Nature cried on Redwood Hill

01:11:54.540 I'll not forget that day

01:11:59.500 When Mother Nature cried on Redwood Hill

01:12:07.000 I was a farmer

01:12:15.860 I stay in S.E.B.

01:12:16.060 You

01:12:17.580 I still have labor

01:12:21.260 I still have labor

01:12:22.980 There are klaibushies 0.99

01:12:25.820 They were no longer

01:12:27.140 I still have labor

01:12:28.860 I still have food

01:12:30.180 And when Mother Nature cried on Redwood Hill

01:12:32.380 I was affected by hard

01:12:33.600 Can I?

01:12:34.540 Okay, I'll not forget that day

The Impact of LGBT Parenting _ Children_s Well-Being

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